[RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[IanA]

What BB is installed?  The Shimano ones often have a plastic non-drive side 
cup.  These do split and sometimes are just fine like that, but sometimes 
they will cause a click.  Like Patrick Moore said, it could also simply be 
that the cup has worked loose.  

On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:06:52 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place in the 
> pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). It happens 
> in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly disappear. It 
> stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can eliminate chain 
> and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure wire or other 
> obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. So I’m 
> thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[doc]

Most likely you have to grease the pedals, however if they have the 
plastic reflector inserts, make sure that they haven't worn out and are now 
loose in their mounts; and while probably not applicable in your case, make 
sure the hard plastic end on your shoe laces aren't bouncing off the 
downtube.

On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:06:52 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place in the 
> pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). It happens 
> in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly disappear. It 
> stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can eliminate chain 
> and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure wire or other 
> obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. So I’m 
> thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[Anton Tutter]

Deacon, I know you're sensitive to noises and I can imagine this is extra 
annoying to you.

Are your pedals double-sided?  Meaning, if clipless, can you clip in on 
either side of the pedal?  (Moot point if you're using regular pedal 
platforms, they're by default double-sided)

Make note of which side of the pedal your foot is on when the clicking is 
happening. Then flip the pedal 180 degrees and continue pedaling with your 
foot on the other side of the pedal.  Does the click go away? If it does, 
then it's definitely the pedal.  This has happened to me.  It was caused by 
an improperly adjusted pretension on the pedal bearings. A quick 1/8th turn 
of the adjuster cone did the trick.

If the click does not go away, it doesn't rule out the pedal.  But it also 
leaves open other possible sources of the noise. Someone else mentioned 
saddle-- that's also a possibility. Check that the rails are clamped 
tightly to the seatpost.  I've also had that cause a rhythmic clicking 
sound.  I also agree with a previous comment about the bottom bracket.

It could also be the drive-side crank arm improperly torqued onto the 
bottom bracket spindle.

Anton


On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:06:52 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place in the 
> pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). It happens 
> in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly disappear. It 
> stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can eliminate chain 
> and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure wire or other 
> obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. So I’m 
> thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Anton Tutter]

Ha!  I love that. "Field-expedient" can be applied to anything! I'm jotting 
this one down.

Anton

On Sunday, April 20, 2014 2:58:10 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 04/20/2014 11:04 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: 
> > I really dislike the term "ghetto tubeless". I have used and generally 
> endorse the method of this type of improvised tubeless conversion (with 
> certain rims) and don't see any reason to describe it with a racist term. 
> > 
>
> Perhaps "field expedient tubeless" or "improvised tubeless" would be 
> preferable. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Albastache conversion Complete!

[Ron Mc]

Deac, as long as your neck is in a natural position, chin down, head back, 
shoulders relaxed, elbows bent - you have everything going for you.  Using 
a few core muscles for balance and control, seems exactly where you want to 
be.  

On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:46:05 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> A fascinating thing is happening riding the Albastache vs. the Albatross. 
> My back and neck are far more relaxed after rides. I presume this is 
> because there is less conflicting information from the vertigo, and my body 
> is in a position to maximize proprioception. Not that this difference is 
> useful to anyone but me, because a more aggressive position usually means 
> more hardship on the back and neck, does it not? Sardonic grin. I continue 
> to be fascinated by the mystery that is our body and how it interacts with 
> itself and the world!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[Ron Mc]

my buddy had a pedal bearing click, but I remember his being top dead 
center instead of bottom.  

On Monday, April 21, 2014 6:18:58 AM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> Deacon, I know you're sensitive to noises and I can imagine this is extra 
> annoying to you.
>
> Are your pedals double-sided?  Meaning, if clipless, can you clip in on 
> either side of the pedal?  (Moot point if you're using regular pedal 
> platforms, they're by default double-sided)
>
> Make note of which side of the pedal your foot is on when the clicking is 
> happening. Then flip the pedal 180 degrees and continue pedaling with your 
> foot on the other side of the pedal.  Does the click go away? If it does, 
> then it's definitely the pedal.  This has happened to me.  It was caused by 
> an improperly adjusted pretension on the pedal bearings. A quick 1/8th turn 
> of the adjuster cone did the trick.
>
> If the click does not go away, it doesn't rule out the pedal.  But it also 
> leaves open other possible sources of the noise. Someone else mentioned 
> saddle-- that's also a possibility. Check that the rails are clamped 
> tightly to the seatpost.  I've also had that cause a rhythmic clicking 
> sound.  I also agree with a previous comment about the bottom bracket.
>
> It could also be the drive-side crank arm improperly torqued onto the 
> bottom bracket spindle.
>
> Anton
>
>
> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:06:52 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place in the 
>> pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). It happens 
>> in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly disappear. It 
>> stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can eliminate chain 
>> and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure wire or other 
>> obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. So I’m 
>> thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>  
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[Dan Abelson]

I had the issue with a cracked Shimano BB cup causing clicking.

Dan Abelson
On Apr 21, 2014 3:47 AM, "IanA"  wrote:

> What BB is installed?  The Shimano ones often have a plastic non-drive
> side cup.  These do split and sometimes are just fine like that, but
> sometimes they will cause a click.  Like Patrick Moore said, it could also
> simply be that the cup has worked loose.
>
> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:06:52 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place in the
>> pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). It happens
>> in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly disappear. It
>> stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can eliminate chain
>> and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure wire or other
>> obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. So I’m
>> thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>
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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/21/2014 07:25 AM, Anton Tutter wrote:
Ha!  I love that. "Field-expedient" can be applied to anything! I'm 
jotting this one down.


Absolutely.  I was an Ordnance Corps. officer many years ago, and we 
actually had a class in Field Expedients.  I recall them telling us 
about how to gap points with some kind of wrapper (cello or shiny metal 
coated paper) from a pack of cigarettes, and other similar techniques.  
You don't always have the benefit of proper tools and repair parts out 
in the field, and sometimes lives depend on getting equipment working.


And the name gives such techniques the respect they deserve.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[Deacon Patrick]

My BB is a Tange 107, Sugino cranks. I'll be replacing the BB anyway in the 
next few weeks to a 113, which also involves the cranks getting worked on. 
I'm pretty sure I flipped the pedals, but not positive. Could be a saddle 
click, or a strap from the xs SaddleSack, which I have tucked in front of 
my large Saddle Sack. Thanks all!

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Monday, April 21, 2014 6:16:01 AM UTC-6, Dan wrote:
>
> I had the issue with a cracked Shimano BB cup causing clicking. 
>
> Dan Abelson 
> On Apr 21, 2014 3:47 AM, "IanA" > wrote:
>
>> What BB is installed?  The Shimano ones often have a plastic non-drive 
>> side cup.  These do split and sometimes are just fine like that, but 
>> sometimes they will cause a click.  Like Patrick Moore said, it could also 
>> simply be that the cup has worked loose.  
>>
>> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:06:52 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place in 
>>> the pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). It 
>>> happens in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly 
>>> disappear. It stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can 
>>> eliminate chain and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure wire 
>>> or other obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. So 
>>> I’m thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?
>>>  
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>>  
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Dilemma Solved

[Ron Mc]

Brewster, that last one has a Flintstones look to it.  

On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:28:23 AM UTC-5, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 19, 2014 6:39:31 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/rick_bergstrom/13932180295/in/pool-bicycleasart
>> Grin.
>>
>> Ha, Calfee did that back in 2006:
>
> http://www.bikingbis.com/_photos/calfee1.sized.jpg
>
> He also did another version with what appears to be cowhorn fork:
>
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/sonomapinot/2265879481/
>
> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>  
>>

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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Matthew J]

You don't always have the benefit of proper tools and repair parts out 
in the field, and sometimes lives depend on getting equipment working.  

Best part of Apollo 13 movie was the scene where the ground engineers take 
a box of what the astronauts had to work with and helped device a plan to 
saved the crew.

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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Ron Mc]

If you want to know repressed, be a father in divorce court.  Single 
fathers are the most abused segment of modern society - in every court, in 
taxes, in custody - if you read our stated rights in divorce decrees, it 
literally states that we have the right to pay our our money.  

On Monday, April 21, 2014 7:31:16 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 04/21/2014 07:25 AM, Anton Tutter wrote: 
> > Ha!  I love that. "Field-expedient" can be applied to anything! I'm 
> > jotting this one down. 
>
> Absolutely.  I was an Ordnance Corps. officer many years ago, and we 
> actually had a class in Field Expedients.  I recall them telling us 
> about how to gap points with some kind of wrapper (cello or shiny metal 
> coated paper) from a pack of cigarettes, and other similar techniques.   
> You don't always have the benefit of proper tools and repair parts out 
> in the field, and sometimes lives depend on getting equipment working. 
>
> And the name gives such techniques the respect they deserve. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

[WETH]

 

Riv content: Two Rivendell-inspired riders, two Riv’d out Surly LHTs, a 
large Saddlesack, a platrack, and a Slickersack. 

This summer my wife and I are planning to ride the entire Great Allegheny 
Passage (GAP) trail (150 miles) from Pittsburgh, PA to Cumberland, MD with 
our 13 and 11 year old sons.  Since we have never cycled the GAP, we 
decided some real world experience would help us prepare the boys for the 
adventure.  We settled on exploring one of the more remote stretches, the 
20 miles between Confluence and Rockwood, PA.  On Friday afternoon, my wife 
and I loaded our two bikes on the car and drove the three hours to 
Confluence, PA.  We spent the night at River View Kitchenettes, a great 
place right along the GAP Trail and overlooking the river.  After an early 
evening walk around the town, the Trailside restaurant provided us a great 
pizza dinner washed down with a strawberry Nestle Quick.   

The morning came crisp and clear; it was going to be a beautiful weekend 
for cycling.  After a delicious breakfast at Sister’s Café, we set off by 
10am.  Leaving Confluence the trail runs consistently uphill to Rockwood, 
PA.  The grade is gently but unrelentingly upward with little opportunity 
for coasting.  However, we were in no hurry and spun along at a 
comfortable, leisurely pace enjoying the beauty and quiet of the forest we 
rode through.  The trail follows the Casselman River, and as we rode we 
listened to the water rushing by.  The main CSX rail line runs on the other 
side of the river and goes through both Confluence and Rockwood.  Freight 
trains rolled through at least every hour.  I enjoy trains and was not 
bothered by their presence.  In reading online reviews of lodging options 
along the trail, many reviewers do complain about the train noise, 
especially at night.  At times we felt like the only people for miles 
around.  At the Pinkerton High Bridge, next to the closed Pinkerton Tunnel, 
about half way between Confluence and Rockwood, we took a break overlooking 
the river.  Oranges and another Strawberry Quick refreshed.  Three and half 
hours after leaving Confluence we arrived in Rockwood.  Did I say we took a 
leisurely pace?  We did pass perhaps a dozen people, a mix of bikers and 
hikers, in the 20 miles.

Rockwood was a welcoming place, and we enjoyed more pizza and some ice 
cream at the Mill Shoppes on Main Street.  We then explored some of the 
more kid friendly lodging options in town for the summer trip, while 
waiting to check in at the Gingerbread House B&B.  The B&B was wonderful, 
and we spent the late afternoon relaxing and reading on the porch swing.  
Sunday morning dawned crisp and clear.  After a delicious breakfast at the 
B&B of blueberry French toast, we headed back down the trail to Confluence.  
The downward grade was a welcome relief from yesterday’s ride and we 
covered the distance in only two and half hours.  Still leisurely.

Overall it was a terrific weekend, and we are excited to experience the 
whole trail as a family this summer.  Pictures prove we did something on a 
trail with bikes:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157644195003943/

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[RBW] Re: GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic! How far do your sons enjoy riding? My one suggestion is to let 
them pick the distance as much as possible (practical concerns like we have 
to reach food/water/camping as part of that decision). On the trails we've 
done that translated to 7-15 miles on trail, or 30 miles on road.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 21, 2014 7:53:30 AM UTC-6, WETH wrote:
>
> Riv content: Two Rivendell-inspired riders, two Riv’d out Surly LHTs, a 
> large Saddlesack, a platrack, and a Slickersack. 
>
> This summer my wife and I are planning to ride the entire Great Allegheny 
> Passage (GAP) trail (150 miles) from Pittsburgh, PA to Cumberland, MD with 
> our 13 and 11 year old sons.  Since we have never cycled the GAP, we 
> decided some real world experience would help us prepare the boys for the 
> adventure.  We settled on exploring one of the more remote stretches, the 
> 20 miles between Confluence and Rockwood, PA.  On Friday afternoon, my 
> wife and I loaded our two bikes on the car and drove the three hours to 
> Confluence, PA.  We spent the night at River View Kitchenettes, a great 
> place right along the GAP Trail and overlooking the river.  After an 
> early evening walk around the town, the Trailside restaurant provided us a 
> great pizza dinner washed down with a strawberry Nestle Quick.   
>
> The morning came crisp and clear; it was going to be a beautiful weekend 
> for cycling.  After a delicious breakfast at Sister’s Café, we set off by 
> 10am.  Leaving Confluence the trail runs consistently uphill to Rockwood, 
> PA.  The grade is gently but unrelentingly upward with little opportunity 
> for coasting.  However, we were in no hurry and spun along at a 
> comfortable, leisurely pace enjoying the beauty and quiet of the forest we 
> rode through.  The trail follows the Casselman River, and as we rode we 
> listened to the water rushing by.  The main CSX rail line runs on the 
> other side of the river and goes through both Confluence and Rockwood.  
> Freight 
> trains rolled through at least every hour.  I enjoy trains and was not 
> bothered by their presence.  In reading online reviews of lodging options 
> along the trail, many reviewers do complain about the train noise, 
> especially at night.  At times we felt like the only people for miles 
> around.  At the Pinkerton High Bridge, next to the closed Pinkerton 
> Tunnel, about half way between Confluence and Rockwood, we took a break 
> overlooking the river.  Oranges and another Strawberry Quick refreshed.  
> Three 
> and half hours after leaving Confluence we arrived in Rockwood.  Did I 
> say we took a leisurely pace?  We did pass perhaps a dozen people, a mix 
> of bikers and hikers, in the 20 miles.
>
> Rockwood was a welcoming place, and we enjoyed more pizza and some ice 
> cream at the Mill Shoppes on Main Street.  We then explored some of the 
> more kid friendly lodging options in town for the summer trip, while 
> waiting to check in at the Gingerbread House B&B.  The B&B was wonderful, 
> and we spent the late afternoon relaxing and reading on the porch swing.  
> Sunday morning dawned crisp and clear.  After a delicious breakfast at 
> the B&B of blueberry French toast, we headed back down the trail to 
> Confluence.  The downward grade was a welcome relief from yesterday’s 
> ride and we covered the distance in only two and half hours.  Still 
> leisurely.
>
> Overall it was a terrific weekend, and we are excited to experience the 
> whole trail as a family this summer.  Pictures prove we did something on 
> a trail with bikes:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157644195003943/
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

[cyclotourist]

The trail looks like a fantastic ride!

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Fantastic! How far do your sons enjoy riding? My one suggestion is to let
> them pick the distance as much as possible (practical concerns like we have
> to reach food/water/camping as part of that decision). On the trails we've
> done that translated to 7-15 miles on trail, or 30 miles on road.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 7:53:30 AM UTC-6, WETH wrote:
>>
>> Riv content: Two Rivendell-inspired riders, two Riv'd out Surly LHTs, a
>> large Saddlesack, a platrack, and a Slickersack.
>>
>> This summer my wife and I are planning to ride the entire Great Allegheny
>> Passage (GAP) trail (150 miles) from Pittsburgh, PA to Cumberland, MD with
>> our 13 and 11 year old sons.  Since we have never cycled the GAP, we
>> decided some real world experience would help us prepare the boys for the
>> adventure.  We settled on exploring one of the more remote stretches,
>> the 20 miles between Confluence and Rockwood, PA.  On Friday afternoon,
>> my wife and I loaded our two bikes on the car and drove the three hours to
>> Confluence, PA.  We spent the night at River View Kitchenettes, a great
>> place right along the GAP Trail and overlooking the river.  After an
>> early evening walk around the town, the Trailside restaurant provided us a
>> great pizza dinner washed down with a strawberry Nestle Quick.
>>
>> The morning came crisp and clear; it was going to be a beautiful weekend
>> for cycling.  After a delicious breakfast at Sister's Café, we set off
>> by 10am.  Leaving Confluence the trail runs consistently uphill to
>> Rockwood, PA.  The grade is gently but unrelentingly upward with little
>> opportunity for coasting.  However, we were in no hurry and spun along
>> at a comfortable, leisurely pace enjoying the beauty and quiet of the
>> forest we rode through.  The trail follows the Casselman River, and as
>> we rode we listened to the water rushing by.  The main CSX rail line
>> runs on the other side of the river and goes through both Confluence and
>> Rockwood.  Freight trains rolled through at least every hour.  I enjoy
>> trains and was not bothered by their presence.  In reading online
>> reviews of lodging options along the trail, many reviewers do complain
>> about the train noise, especially at night.  At times we felt like the
>> only people for miles around.  At the Pinkerton High Bridge, next to the
>> closed Pinkerton Tunnel, about half way between Confluence and Rockwood, we
>> took a break overlooking the river.  Oranges and another Strawberry
>> Quick refreshed.  Three and half hours after leaving Confluence we
>> arrived in Rockwood.  Did I say we took a leisurely pace?  We did pass
>> perhaps a dozen people, a mix of bikers and hikers, in the 20 miles.
>>
>> Rockwood was a welcoming place, and we enjoyed more pizza and some ice
>> cream at the Mill Shoppes on Main Street.  We then explored some of the
>> more kid friendly lodging options in town for the summer trip, while
>> waiting to check in at the Gingerbread House B&B.  The B&B was
>> wonderful, and we spent the late afternoon relaxing and reading on the
>> porch swing.  Sunday morning dawned crisp and clear.  After a delicious
>> breakfast at the B&B of blueberry French toast, we headed back down the
>> trail to Confluence.  The downward grade was a welcome relief from
>> yesterday's ride and we covered the distance in only two and half hours.
>> Still leisurely.
>>
>> Overall it was a terrific weekend, and we are excited to experience the
>> whole trail as a family this summer.  Pictures prove we did something on
>> a trail with bikes:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/
>> 72157644195003943/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[WETH]

Patrick,
I was going to mention, in addition to all the other helpful and possible 
sources shared already, that it could be a strap.  I have a strap from a 
Saddle Sack that clicks when it hits my fender and only when I pedal.  It 
took me a while to diagnose the source of the sound.
Good luck,
Erl

On Monday, April 21, 2014 9:03:43 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My BB is a Tange 107, Sugino cranks. I'll be replacing the BB anyway in 
> the next few weeks to a 113, which also involves the cranks getting worked 
> on. I'm pretty sure I flipped the pedals, but not positive. Could be a 
> saddle click, or a strap from the xs SaddleSack, which I have tucked in 
> front of my large Saddle Sack. Thanks all!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 6:16:01 AM UTC-6, Dan wrote:
>>
>> I had the issue with a cracked Shimano BB cup causing clicking. 
>>
>> Dan Abelson 
>> On Apr 21, 2014 3:47 AM, "IanA"  wrote:
>>
>>> What BB is installed?  The Shimano ones often have a plastic non-drive 
>>> side cup.  These do split and sometimes are just fine like that, but 
>>> sometimes they will cause a click.  Like Patrick Moore said, it could also 
>>> simply be that the cup has worked loose.  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:06:52 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place in 
 the pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). It 
 happens in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly 
 disappear. It stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can 
 eliminate chain and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure wire 
 or other obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. So 
 I’m thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?
  
 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Albastache conversion Complete!

[Jeremy Till]

Sounds like you've clearly hit on a better fit for yourself, Patrick.  
That's awesome.  I feel like I've come across that recently on my Long Haul 
Trucker with Albatross bars.  I recently sold my only remaining drop bar 
bike and I don't miss it at all!  

On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:46:05 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> A fascinating thing is happening riding the Albastache vs. the Albatross. 
> My back and neck are far more relaxed after rides. I presume this is 
> because there is less conflicting information from the vertigo, and my body 
> is in a position to maximize proprioception. Not that this difference is 
> useful to anyone but me, because a more aggressive position usually means 
> more hardship on the back and neck, does it not? Sardonic grin. I continue 
> to be fascinated by the mystery that is our body and how it interacts with 
> itself and the world!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Knard width -- questions for users

[Jeremy Till]

Interesting; I had seen pictures of that bike in the Sea Otter coverage but 
hadn't put it together until just now that they were using the wheels in 
essentially a 29er (with 29er fork).  In many ways, a similar intention to 
650b road bike conversions, taking mass produced racy bike frames and 
giving them increased tire clearance through smaller wheels.  IMHO, a much 
more legitimate purpose for 650b mountain bike wheels than the marketing 
claims that 650b is somehow the "ideal" wheel size to lure people off their 
existing 26 or 29 rigs.  I've been playing around with a cheap-ish hardtail 
29er (Raleigh Talus 29 Comp) for the past few months, my first "real" 
mountain bike.  It comes stock with 29x2" tires, and doesn't have a whole 
lot of clearance for fatter--I could probably fit a 2.2, but not a 2.4.  
I've been thinking that something like a Krampus or ECR, with increased air 
volume and traction, might suit my riding style and tastes, but maybe a 
first stop would be a 650b conversion on my current bike.  I've been 
wanting to build a better set of wheels for it anyways.  The Trailblazer 
looks like a cool tire, too.

On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:50:10 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> I'm waiting for WTB to make their 2.8" Trailblazer tire which they say is 
> going to be made in 650B. While you would need a new set of wheels, the 
> smaller rim and larger tire is purportedly measures about the same diameter 
> as a 29 X 2.3" wheel.  This would fit more existing 29er's than a Knard and 
> be almost as fat.  Here is a picture on this Rocky Mountain Sherpa  
> http://nsmb.com/2015-rocky-mountain-sherpa/
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad Ca.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[Patrick Moore]

I think you pedal barefoot, but just in case, one more: one day I heard a
similar noise and discovered it was a too-long shoe lace end striking the
left chainstay with its "aglet", the plastic wrap at the end of the lace.


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> My BB is a Tange 107, Sugino cranks. I'll be replacing the BB anyway in
> the next few weeks to a 113, which also involves the cranks getting worked
> on. I'm pretty sure I flipped the pedals, but not positive. Could be a
> saddle click, or a strap from the xs SaddleSack, which I have tucked in
> front of my large Saddle Sack. Thanks all!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 6:16:01 AM UTC-6, Dan wrote:
>
>> I had the issue with a cracked Shimano BB cup causing clicking.
>>
>> Dan Abelson
>> On Apr 21, 2014 3:47 AM, "IanA"  wrote:
>>
>>> What BB is installed?  The Shimano ones often have a plastic non-drive
>>> side cup.  These do split and sometimes are just fine like that, but
>>> sometimes they will cause a click.  Like Patrick Moore said, it could also
>>> simply be that the cup has worked loose.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:06:52 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place in
 the pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). It
 happens in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly
 disappear. It stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can
 eliminate chain and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure wire
 or other obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. So
 I’m thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Knard width -- questions for users

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for all the replies. So it looks as if a 3.0 won't fit on the stock
FV1 fork, but I have been thinking of getting a new, lower trail fork 

Eric: any idea if the tire will fit in the rear of the FV1?

The 650B idea is intriguing, but my experience is that additional
circumference makes for better rolling; the Fargo already has a lowish bb.

Anyway, no change immediately: the FFs, though harder and skinnier than my
preference, are excellent, fast rolling tires and for most of my riding
they are just fine. But if I go ahead with the new fork (will ask for
biplane crown!) I'll be sure to spec a >77 mm width.


On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I still have 3 Furious Freds to wear out, but I do miss the up-to-65 mm
> width of Big Apples and the as-low-as 12/16 psi pressures (the BAs had
> sturdier sidewalls and contained tubes). Reviews of the Knard make it very
> intriguing, and per my admittedly cursory measurements the Fargo has enough
> room between fork legs and stays to accommodate the tire.
>
> Gypsy By Trade measures a used 3.0 Knard on a 50 mm rim at 77.1 mm which
> is 3". Is this what you measure? How wide is your rim?
>
> Do you run it tubeless or with tubes?
>
> How low front and rear are you comfortable with and
> = what is the total of your weight + weight of baggage carried?
> = what terrain do you ride?
>
> The 44 mm wide SnoCat SLs should work very well with the Knard and give it
> a nice, wide and flat profile (the FFs measure a true 55 mm on these rims;
> they are labeled 50 mm).
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[Deacon Patrick]

Yes, I'm barefoot at 35˚F and up and have been on rides when I heard it, so 
barring toe nail tinging, I can eliminate foot/wear as the source. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 21, 2014 10:10:11 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I think you pedal barefoot, but just in case, one more: one day I heard a 
> similar noise and discovered it was a too-long shoe lace end striking the 
> left chainstay with its "aglet", the plastic wrap at the end of the lace.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> My BB is a Tange 107, Sugino cranks. I'll be replacing the BB anyway in 
>> the next few weeks to a 113, which also involves the cranks getting worked 
>> on. I'm pretty sure I flipped the pedals, but not positive. Could be a 
>> saddle click, or a strap from the xs SaddleSack, which I have tucked in 
>> front of my large Saddle Sack. Thanks all!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 21, 2014 6:16:01 AM UTC-6, Dan wrote:
>>
>>> I had the issue with a cracked Shimano BB cup causing clicking. 
>>>
>>> Dan Abelson 
>>> On Apr 21, 2014 3:47 AM, "IanA"  wrote:
>>>
  What BB is installed?  The Shimano ones often have a plastic 
 non-drive side cup.  These do split and sometimes are just fine like that, 
 but sometimes they will cause a click.  Like Patrick Moore said, it could 
 also simply be that the cup has worked loose.  

 On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:06:52 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place in 
> the pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). It 
> happens in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly 
> disappear. It stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can 
> eliminate chain and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure 
> wire 
> or other obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. So 
> I’m thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?
>  
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Patrick Moore]

I don't want to elaborate too much here, since this already stretches the
thread dangerously, but as a single father with far less money than my
daughter's mother, who is the principal custodian parent, I can't agree
that we are more oppressed than others in our country. Stop and frisk?

Back to "ghetto " used to mean "jury rigged": Jim's second post
explaining his reasons made me think again; I see some merit to his dislike
of the term. I still think the concern is rather too minor to get worked up
about but it isn't wholly gratuitous.


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> If you want to know repressed, be a father in divorce court.  Single
> fathers are the most abused segment of modern society - in every court, in
> taxes, in custody - if you read our stated rights in divorce decrees, it
> literally states that we have the right to pay our our money.
>
>
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 7:31:16 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On 04/21/2014 07:25 AM, Anton Tutter wrote:
>> > Ha!  I love that. "Field-expedient" can be applied to anything! I'm
>> > jotting this one down.
>>
>> Absolutely.  I was an Ordnance Corps. officer many years ago, and we
>> actually had a class in Field Expedients.  I recall them telling us
>> about how to gap points with some kind of wrapper (cello or shiny metal
>> coated paper) from a pack of cigarettes, and other similar techniques.
>> You don't always have the benefit of proper tools and repair parts out
>> in the field, and sometimes lives depend on getting equipment working.
>>
>> And the name gives such techniques the respect they deserve.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

[Minh]

>
> Nice!  The stretch from Confluence down to Cumberland (the start) is just 
> as nice, especially some of the higher railroad bridges.  this will be a 
> good trip for the family, not too difficult either in terms of climbing or 
> terrain.
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[RBW] FS: Olive green Sackville BarSack + Nitto BarSack Rack

[Tom Harrop]

Hi list,

I've had this handlebar rack  and 
bag  combo for a couple of 
years and only used it once or twice, so it's time to find it a new home. I 
would say the condition is 'like new' except for a small scuff mark on the 
front of the bag. I also replaced the M8 bolts with wingnuts for easier on 
and off. Happy to send photos to interested parties.

I looked up the invoice, and I paid $245 for the pair. I'm in Germany but 
I'm happy to ship it pretty much anywhere. Shipping from DE to the US with 
DHL (small packet, no insurance, probably one week to ten days in transit) 
is about €15, so how about PayPal US$150 shipped? If that seems 
unreasonable go ahead and make an offer.

Please reply offline if interested.

Tom
Germany.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[Ryan]

Hi Patrick,
 
The first thing I would try is a liberal application of grease to those 
pedals , if they're serviceable. I've had this problem with MKS 
pedalsexcellent pedals that they are...and fortunately , easily fixed 
by aforementioned application of grease. It's annoying all right, and I'm 
not ruling out other causes. But this is the first thing I'd try
On Monday, April 21, 2014 11:19:03 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Yes, I'm barefoot at 35˚F and up and have been on rides when I heard it, 
> so barring toe nail tinging, I can eliminate foot/wear as the source. Grin. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 10:10:11 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: 
>>
>> I think you pedal barefoot, but just in case, one more: one day I heard a 
>> similar noise and discovered it was a too-long shoe lace end striking the 
>> left chainstay with its "aglet", the plastic wrap at the end of the lace.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> My BB is a Tange 107, Sugino cranks. I'll be replacing the BB anyway in 
>>> the next few weeks to a 113, which also involves the cranks getting worked 
>>> on. I'm pretty sure I flipped the pedals, but not positive. Could be a 
>>> saddle click, or a strap from the xs SaddleSack, which I have tucked in 
>>> front of my large Saddle Sack. Thanks all! 
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 21, 2014 6:16:01 AM UTC-6, Dan wrote:
>>>
  I had the issue with a cracked Shimano BB cup causing clicking. 

 Dan Abelson 
  On Apr 21, 2014 3:47 AM, "IanA"  wrote:

>  What BB is installed?  The Shimano ones often have a plastic 
> non-drive side cup.  These do split and sometimes are just fine like 
> that, 
> but sometimes they will cause a click.  Like Patrick Moore said, it could 
> also simply be that the cup has worked loose.  
>
> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:06:52 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
>>
>> My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place in 
>> the pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). It 
>> happens in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly 
>> disappear. It stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can 
>> eliminate chain and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure 
>> wire 
>> or other obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. 
>> So 
>> I’m thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?
>>  
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
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[RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

[Mark Reimer]

I understand, yet don't fully agree with the safety concerns of a carbon 
fork. If something jams in your wheel, you're likely going down regardless 
and your fork is likely going to be toast regardless. 

For the record, I have a Cervelo R3 (full carbon), Giant TCX 
(Aluminum/Carbon), did have a Bridgestone road frame (steel, more to come 
on that), Ti SSCX with carbon fork, and a surly steamroller. Oh, and I have 
just bought a used Atlantis... :)

The Cervelo R3 was made with a more upright, 'classics' geo a year or two 
back when I got it. I've ridden it on a few 100 mile rides, going hard and 
have been amazingly comfortable the entire time, and that's on 25mm tires! 
Maybe it's the spaghetti-sized seat stays that soak up the vibrations, but 
it is truly a dreamy ride quality.

I used to have a wonderful Bridgestone steel road frame, with Suntour 
Cyclone 2 drivetrain and Sugino Mighty Competition. I never found out the 
model. I actually found the complete bike in a pile of garbage at a 
construction site. It looked brand new, hah! Then something got caught in 
my front wheel while riding at maybe 15-20km/h. I immediately flipped over 
the bars and woke up in the hospital a few hours later. Thank god I had a 
helmet on (which at that time was not normal for me). The steel fork was 
totally destroyed. I doubt having a carbon fork would have made things 
worse or better. I've had a lot of nasty head-on crashes with my CX bikes, 
both with carbon forks, and no issues. They are a lot stronger than one 
might think.

In the end, I agree - I've felt great on aluminum, carbon, steel, and ti. 
Rider position, tires, saddle, and wheels make way more of a difference 
than frame material.

On Saturday, April 19, 2014 12:31:22 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
>
> I'm talking ride quality only, not function.
> Don't blow a gasket until you read this post in full.
>
> Steel, carbon, Alu, Ti, Rando-lite frames, etc.
>
> I just saw a RAAM documentary. Actually I have watched three of them.
> Those guys are mostly carbon, skinny tires, with bars waaay low, yet they 
> do hundreds of miles a day, culminating in a 3,000 mile race finish in less 
> than 10 days. You gotta be comfy on your bike to a certain degree to 
> survive a 3,000 mile ride in 10 days or less. You can't really argue with 
> that. Yeah, they are athletes,and suffer, but read on...
>
> I'm starting to think that no frame material is better than another when 
> at the higher quality levels and craftsmanship. And I think RAAM blows it 
> all outta the water. RAAM has been ridden on just about everything I would 
> think. I don't think these people are dummies, and I am sure they have done 
> their homework to find what suits their needs. I think it's just preference 
> at that point. I don't know that Jure Robic (5-time RAAM winner) would have 
> done any better, or felt any better, on a Herse, Scott, Lightspeed, or 
> Roadeo. Someone once asked him how his behind felt during RAAM, and he 
> stuck his fingers in his mouth imitating a gun. I don't think that would 
> have changed no matter what he was riding (and it looked like a studded 
> leather saddle in the documentary I saw).
>
> Now function is another thing altogether.  You want braze-ons and wide 
> tires and clearance, approach a steel frame builder for sure.
>
> I needed to ride through mud and gravel to continue on my way today and I 
> was glad I was on my fender-ed Rivbike with 42 mm tires and not on a 25mm 
> tire-ed race bike.
>
> I'm not going to touch safety and lifetime issues of materials. The battle 
> rages.
>
> Anyway, since I got my head out of carbon, and have been reading a lot 
> about steel, I have been wondering. Because everyone seems to love their 
> quality bikes, no matter what the material is.
>
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[RBW] FS: Barely Used Sam Hillborne 48 cm.

[bp...@virginia.edu]

I bought this in late 2012.  Ridden less than 500 miles since.  We have a 
house with no garage, no basement, no shed -- so bikes everywhere. 
 Something has to go (the children are already gone and the dog is not 
negotiable) and my wife is getting a new city bike (all the others are 
mine).

The Sam is in super shape.  Go to this Craigslist post to see three pics  <
http://charlottesville.craigslist.org/bik/4428183540.html>  Basically, it's 
as it came to me from Rivendell (standard Sam H. build kit), except I'm 
selling it with the new Brooks B-17 that I put on it.  It needs a good home 
and a happy rider.  I've listed it at $2200 with shipping, $2100 if no 
shipping and I am certainly open to any honest offer.

Cheers,

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[RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

[Mark Reimer]

Ron, couldn't have said it better!

On Sunday, April 20, 2014 11:51:51 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Don't feel alone in watching bike racing.  It's great.  It's also great to 
> race.  I know several people who used to ride, because they used to race. 
>  Now they don't ride.  It's a shame.  Bikes should be purpose-built. 
>  Racing is a purpose.  Racing is not the purpose of riding.  
>
> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:25:14 AM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>>
>> I love watching bike racing. Paris Roubaix this year was a very exciting 
>> race; I watched it while pedaling my Sam Hillborne set up on a 
>> trainerno kidding. 
>>
>> anyway, I don't ever see myself purchasing a carbon frame and can't 
>> really say I care much about the advantages if any they offer in ride feel. 
>> I've seen one person go down and into the hospital from a stick in the fork 
>> (Trek Madone) he ran over while we were on a group ride. Really, a terrible 
>> fall. It looked like the front of the bike just came apart. The fork blades 
>> were completely sheared off and he just face planted. Bike was destroyed, 
>> he looked destroyed...all from a stick...all to gain a couple of seconds 
>> speed advantage on a group ride. 
>>
>> Now, I'm not crazy enough to think that this can't happen on a steel 
>> frame or some weird crash can happen while riding a steel bike, but I feel 
>> much better about my safety while riding my Roadeo or Sam. I have gotten 
>> sticks in the forks, and I just continued to ride after I pulled them out. 
>> I think, no, I'm convinced, steel wins in the durability/safety department 
>> (maybe sitting next to Titanium). I just don't think my bikes are going to 
>> come apart like my friend's Madone came apart.
>>
>> There are so many features of my Riv frames that I couldn't get with a 
>> Madone, or an S works Venge that those kinds of bikes aren't even on my 
>> radar...and I like to ride fast on fast group rides. My rivs give me so 
>> much more than some carbon race frame being built today.  But, if I was 
>> going to be honest, one main reason I pick Rivendell as my bike of choice 
>> is not because of frame material, or geometry, or ability to get handlebars 
>> a bit higher, or even wide tire use, but because of aesthetics. The look 
>> exactly the way I think a bike should look and they look awesome.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 8:06:52 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's not true at all Mathew ! ;)   This morning I'm watching the 
>>> Amstel Gold race, last week Paris Roubaix . Etc. Etc . . I'll watch any 
>>> European race !  Every Pro bike, anyone can but those frames. The days of 
>>> custom frame makers for even pros is for the most part gone. There are 
>>> sometimes an exception or two, for the top talent, but for the most part 
>>> anyone can buy the same frame as any pro, and the frames are marketed that 
>>> way . It's just part of selling them.   
>>>
>>> Maybe not yours or my preferred bike style, but so what really , someone 
>>> does prefer them and good for them :)   For me to tell someone what's "good 
>>> for them" , about any subject .  . . well, yeah . .  . we've all done 
>>> that.  How well have we truly even followed our own advice ?   Ahaahahahaha 
>>> !  many laughs on that one !  
>>>
>>> If I could get a nano particle frame sized just like my others that rode 
>>> like floating on air, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Bye bye Steel .  I dare say 
>>> it's not the material of their frames that people love, it's the feeling of 
>>> freedom from the self expression of choosing what "I believe is best for 
>>> me, of my *available *choices".   One day even steel itself will be a 
>>> relic . 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 8:34:41 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:



 Materials and design that do well in a race, long or short, are proven 
 to do well in a race.  Not for real life.  

> There are many considerations non-racers have that racers do not. 
  This cannot be overlooked when considering what you want your bike made 
 of.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[blueride2]

Does Stans really work well inside tubes? Seems to me, to be effective, sealant 
needs air to harden and seal. I know Stans works well in tubeless tires and 
rims, I've tried it, but inside tubes I'm not so sure.

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[BenG]

Check that all of your chainring screws/nuts are tight.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drum Brakes and Dynomos

[Zack B]

Sram makes a dynamo hub that is specially designed to light up a low speeds:

http://www.sram.com/sram/urban/products/d7-dynamo

IIRC it tested as the slowest hub with lights off, but as the fastest with
lights on.

It is quite reasonably priced, too at $95:

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=56825&category=3680




On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I owned both an original SA Dynohub (no brake) and a rear Dynohub-cum-AW.
> I could have installed both on one bike for an additional 20 lb and a total
> of 6, or at least 4.8, volts. Really, I wish they had been less heavy,
> since they seemed very well made and they certainly were shiny.
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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Patrick Moore]

For me -- statistical sample of 1:

30 mm Parigi Roubaix, 60-65 psi, tubes. I did not try these tubeless.

Before: a goathead flat every 2 to 5 miles; used, literally, 20 patches in
one week.

After: no flat in 700 miles; Stan's still entirely liquid after 12 mos.


55 mm (as measured, 50 mm labeled) Furious Freds (700C), 25-30 psi. These
tires weigh about 30 grams more each than the Parigi Roubaix, so they are
extremely light.

I never rode these without Stan's. Here is my experience with them with
Stan's.

Tubed: once the goatheads matured in late fall and early winter, 1 flat
every 2 miles. Many of these would seal, reluctantly, if you stopped and
spun the wheel for 3 minutes, but many would not.

Tubeless: no flats. When I pry thorns from the casing the air will escape,
but a few revolutions of the wheel seals the holes. One experienced in
goatheads told me simply to leave the thorns in the casing and let the
heads break off, leaving the points to plug the holes.


On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:58 PM, blueride2  wrote:

> Does Stans really work well inside tubes? Seems to me, to be effective,
> sealant needs air to harden and seal. I know Stans works well in tubeless
> tires and rims, I've tried it, but inside tubes I'm not so sure.
>
> Richard
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[RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I don't think most folks will argue that jamming something in a front fork 
is anything other than a serious issue.  That is a reasonably rare 
occurrence (thank goodness) and one which most riders would have a 
difficult time recovering from.  A better argument could be made for higher 
spoke count wheels to prevent things from getting to where they can cause 
that, rather than what the fork was made out in this specific instance. 
 But that's a conversation way outside this topic, which already on the 
edges of the group focus.

The key aspect of any material is how it fails. Aluminum tends to fail 
catastrophically.  Carbon fiber tends to fail catastrophically.  Ti less 
so.  Steel less so. It's a spectrum of warning and failure nature. There 
are  myriad examples and discussions about materials used in bicycles.

For most folks who don't habitually subject their components to detailed 
inspection, materials that fail catastrophically are much more problematic. 
 Since, honestly, that group includes most people, the argument can always 
be made for steel (or ti if you can afford it) being a kinder, more 
forgiving material.

With respect to Rivendells, the fact that they were lugged steel has been a 
feature I've always loved, but the core strength always comes down to the 
nature of the ride and the ability of the bicycle to adapt to the whims and 
needs of the riders who own them.  I've raced my Rivs, noodled around 
trails, loaded 'em up and run them light.  That's the thing that one by one 
none of my other bicycles have been able to really outdo. 

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[RBW] Re: GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

[ascpgh]

What a fantastic trip and great idea to pre-run sections before bringing 
the kids along. I took my nephew from Pittsburgh to Ohiopyle for a long 
weekend of biking and white water rafting. He'd never imagined riding a 
hundred miles and only put ten together non-stop before. The key for 
keeping his stamina was the hourly snack break and Gatorade, and plenty of 
water on bike for the balance of the time. We lodged at the Yough Plaza 
Motel. The trail is a great resource.

I was just thinking this morning that I might take a down and back to 
Ohiopyle the next two weekdays I have off to see the spring foliage. I can 
go from my neighborhood to trail in about three miles from my house. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, April 21, 2014 9:53:30 AM UTC-4, WETH wrote:
>
> Riv content: Two Rivendell-inspired riders, two Riv’d out Surly LHTs, a 
> large Saddlesack, a platrack, and a Slickersack. 
>
> This summer my wife and I are planning to ride the entire Great Allegheny 
> Passage (GAP) trail (150 miles) from Pittsburgh, PA to Cumberland, MD with 
> our 13 and 11 year old sons.  Since we have never cycled the GAP, we 
> decided some real world experience would help us prepare the boys for the 
> adventure.  We settled on exploring one of the more remote stretches, the 
> 20 miles between Confluence and Rockwood, PA.  On Friday afternoon, my 
> wife and I loaded our two bikes on the car and drove the three hours to 
> Confluence, PA.  We spent the night at River View Kitchenettes, a great 
> place right along the GAP Trail and overlooking the river.  After an 
> early evening walk around the town, the Trailside restaurant provided us a 
> great pizza dinner washed down with a strawberry Nestle Quick.   
>
> The morning came crisp and clear; it was going to be a beautiful weekend 
> for cycling.  After a delicious breakfast at Sister’s Café, we set off by 
> 10am.  Leaving Confluence the trail runs consistently uphill to Rockwood, 
> PA.  The grade is gently but unrelentingly upward with little opportunity 
> for coasting.  However, we were in no hurry and spun along at a 
> comfortable, leisurely pace enjoying the beauty and quiet of the forest we 
> rode through.  The trail follows the Casselman River, and as we rode we 
> listened to the water rushing by.  The main CSX rail line runs on the 
> other side of the river and goes through both Confluence and Rockwood.  
> Freight 
> trains rolled through at least every hour.  I enjoy trains and was not 
> bothered by their presence.  In reading online reviews of lodging options 
> along the trail, many reviewers do complain about the train noise, 
> especially at night.  At times we felt like the only people for miles 
> around.  At the Pinkerton High Bridge, next to the closed Pinkerton 
> Tunnel, about half way between Confluence and Rockwood, we took a break 
> overlooking the river.  Oranges and another Strawberry Quick refreshed.  
> Three 
> and half hours after leaving Confluence we arrived in Rockwood.  Did I 
> say we took a leisurely pace?  We did pass perhaps a dozen people, a mix 
> of bikers and hikers, in the 20 miles.
>
> Rockwood was a welcoming place, and we enjoyed more pizza and some ice 
> cream at the Mill Shoppes on Main Street.  We then explored some of the 
> more kid friendly lodging options in town for the summer trip, while 
> waiting to check in at the Gingerbread House B&B.  The B&B was wonderful, 
> and we spent the late afternoon relaxing and reading on the porch swing.  
> Sunday morning dawned crisp and clear.  After a delicious breakfast at 
> the B&B of blueberry French toast, we headed back down the trail to 
> Confluence.  The downward grade was a welcome relief from yesterday’s 
> ride and we covered the distance in only two and half hours.  Still 
> leisurely.
>
> Overall it was a terrific weekend, and we are excited to experience the 
> whole trail as a family this summer.  Pictures prove we did something on 
> a trail with bikes:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157644195003943/
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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Peter Morgano]

It's up to all of us to try and use more appropriate terminology in life.
Saying it doesn't offend us is somewhat meaningless since we should be
concerned about the people it does offend. While the pc police can get a
bit out of control having lived down south for a long time I often hearrd
the term n word rigged so yes ghetto rigged is just an extension of that
line of thinking. And while some whites do live in the ghetto the term
carries obvious racial overtones. It's hard sometimes to know what is
offensive and what is not, and in that case I always err on the side of
non-offensive words. Having also lived in NYC its refreshing there to have
a place where so many ethnicities have to live along side each other, it
promotes a deeper appreciation for other cultures and you get to learn that
some terms and words you used casually growing up are offensive to some
groups of people. Education and multiculturalism are the keys to battling
racism, in my opinion.  Oh, and does anyone know if a bike shop will hook
up that split tube setup for you? I am pretty hands on but hate doing tire
and wheel stuff as I always seem to get filthy in the process.
On Apr 21, 2014 2:38 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> For me -- statistical sample of 1:
>
> 30 mm Parigi Roubaix, 60-65 psi, tubes. I did not try these tubeless.
>
> Before: a goathead flat every 2 to 5 miles; used, literally, 20 patches in
> one week.
>
> After: no flat in 700 miles; Stan's still entirely liquid after 12 mos.
>
>
> 55 mm (as measured, 50 mm labeled) Furious Freds (700C), 25-30 psi. These
> tires weigh about 30 grams more each than the Parigi Roubaix, so they are
> extremely light.
>
> I never rode these without Stan's. Here is my experience with them with
> Stan's.
>
> Tubed: once the goatheads matured in late fall and early winter, 1 flat
> every 2 miles. Many of these would seal, reluctantly, if you stopped and
> spun the wheel for 3 minutes, but many would not.
>
> Tubeless: no flats. When I pry thorns from the casing the air will escape,
> but a few revolutions of the wheel seals the holes. One experienced in
> goatheads told me simply to leave the thorns in the casing and let the
> heads break off, leaving the points to plug the holes.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:58 PM, blueride2  wrote:
>
>> Does Stans really work well inside tubes? Seems to me, to be effective,
>> sealant needs air to harden and seal. I know Stans works well in tubeless
>> tires and rims, I've tried it, but inside tubes I'm not so sure.
>>
>> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[cyclotourist]

I've had mixed results inside tubes. Tubeless set up is perfect, I've
sealed up after punctures by barbed wire. But in the tubes, sometimes works
fine, sometimes not. Most recently picked up about six goatheads and none
of them sealed. Prior to that, had a couple that did seal. So maybe 50/50
for me.

Cheers,
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On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM, blueride2  wrote:

> Does Stans really work well inside tubes? Seems to me, to be effective,
> sealant needs air to harden and seal. I know Stans works well in tubeless
> tires and rims, I've tried it, but inside tubes I'm not so sure.
>
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Re: [RBW] Cheviot's poppy picture

[cyclotourist]

Here's some poppy action from Saturday's ride:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/13979190203/in/set-72157644237967063/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/13979191223/in/set-72157644237967063

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On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:19 AM, jimD  wrote:

>
> I had this 'redirect loop' problem intermittently this weekend.
>
> Seems to be a bug accompanying the recent Flickr 'enhancements'.
>
> -JimD
>
> On Apr 13, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Cecily Walker 
> wrote:
>
> Is anyone else in the group getting trapped in a redirect loop when
> viewing Flickr photos? It doesn't seem to matter whether I click the link
> directly or if I copy it and paste it into another window. I sure hate
> missing out on all the springtime floral/Riv photos. :(
>
> On Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:50:41 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/10252787755
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4630014620
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 6:49 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>>
>>> That's such a GREAT looking bike in any location!!!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> David
>>>
>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 6:43 PM, grrlyrida  wrote:
>>>
 
 I think Rivbike's Cheviot poppy photo is one the prettiest pictures
 I've seen on their site (that's a lot of "P's"). When I visited my mom up
 in Santa Ynez Valley, I stopped by La Purisma Mission and saw a field of
 poppies. I couldn't resist snapping a photo of my bike in a poppy field a
 la Cheviot style. As you've noticed, I don't shy away from color.

  Anyone else inspired by poppies or flowers in the spring for bike
 photo opportunities?

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Re: [RBW] Cheviot's poppy picture

[Hugh Smitham]

Nicely done.

~Hugh

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moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:42 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Here's some poppy action from Saturday's ride:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/13979190203/in/set-72157644237967063/
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/13979191223/in/set-72157644237967063
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:19 AM, jimD  wrote:
>
>>
>> I had this 'redirect loop' problem intermittently this weekend.
>>
>> Seems to be a bug accompanying the recent Flickr 'enhancements'.
>>
>> -JimD
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Cecily Walker 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is anyone else in the group getting trapped in a redirect loop when
>> viewing Flickr photos? It doesn't seem to matter whether I click the link
>> directly or if I copy it and paste it into another window. I sure hate
>> missing out on all the springtime floral/Riv photos. :(
>>
>> On Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:50:41 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/10252787755
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4630014620
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> David
>>>
>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 6:49 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>>>
 That's such a GREAT looking bike in any location!!!

 Cheers,
 David

 "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





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> 
> I think Rivbike's Cheviot poppy photo is one the prettiest pictures
> I've seen on their site (that's a lot of "P's"). When I visited my mom up
> in Santa Ynez Valley, I stopped by La Purisma Mission and saw a field of
> poppies. I couldn't resist snapping a photo of my bike in a poppy field a
> la Cheviot style. As you've noticed, I don't shy away from color.
>
>  Anyone else inspired by poppies or flowers in the spring for bike
> photo opportunities?
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell poster by David Lance Goines $50 shipped

[joe kelly]

sold

On Thursday, April 3, 2014 3:25:34 PM UTC-4, joe kelly wrote:
>
> hi
> i have an unused DLG poster of child with bike. it has the process 
> explanation paperwork and the original box from rivendell.
> thanks for your time
> joe kelly
> columbus ohio
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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Patrick Moore]

One last post on this: yes, we need to respect others' sense of offense.
But one is entirely permitted to exercise one's judgment on what manifests
excessive sensitivity on a given issue. I make no judgment at all about the
OP's character; perhaps and hopefully he is a far better human being than
I. But I do observe and make lawful judgment about an excessive niceness in
matters and circumstances that, left alone, will be no worse off than they
are.

One absolutely needs first the capacity to laugh at oneself -- first to see
one's own faults. If one really sees one's own faults, one is less bothered
by things outside -- and I daresay one makes more positive difference to
these outside things than otherwise, on the Daoist principle (no matter how
remotely applied the principle to no matter how contingent a situation) of
"non-acting action".

No more goddamn sermons from me on this.


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> It's up to all of us to try and use more appropriate terminology in life.
> Saying it doesn't offend us is somewhat meaningless since we should be
> concerned about the people it does offend. While the pc police can get a
> bit out of control having lived down south for a long time I often hearrd
> the term n word rigged so yes ghetto rigged is just an extension of that
> line of thinking. And while some whites do live in the ghetto the term
> carries obvious racial overtones. It's hard sometimes to know what is
> offensive and what is not, and in that case I always err on the side of
> non-offensive words. Having also lived in NYC its refreshing there to have
> a place where so many ethnicities have to live along side each other, it
> promotes a deeper appreciation for other cultures and you get to learn that
> some terms and words you used casually growing up are offensive to some
> groups of people. Education and multiculturalism are the keys to battling
> racism, in my opinion.  Oh, and does anyone know if a bike shop will hook
> up that split tube setup for you? I am pretty hands on but hate doing tire
> and wheel stuff as I always seem to get filthy in the process.
> On Apr 21, 2014 2:38 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>
>> For me -- statistical sample of 1:
>>
>> 30 mm Parigi Roubaix, 60-65 psi, tubes. I did not try these tubeless.
>>
>> Before: a goathead flat every 2 to 5 miles; used, literally, 20 patches
>> in one week.
>>
>> After: no flat in 700 miles; Stan's still entirely liquid after 12 mos.
>>
>>
>> 55 mm (as measured, 50 mm labeled) Furious Freds (700C), 25-30 psi. These
>> tires weigh about 30 grams more each than the Parigi Roubaix, so they are
>> extremely light.
>>
>> I never rode these without Stan's. Here is my experience with them with
>> Stan's.
>>
>> Tubed: once the goatheads matured in late fall and early winter, 1 flat
>> every 2 miles. Many of these would seal, reluctantly, if you stopped and
>> spun the wheel for 3 minutes, but many would not.
>>
>> Tubeless: no flats. When I pry thorns from the casing the air will
>> escape, but a few revolutions of the wheel seals the holes. One experienced
>> in goatheads told me simply to leave the thorns in the casing and let the
>> heads break off, leaving the points to plug the holes.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:58 PM, blueride2  wrote:
>>
>>> Does Stans really work well inside tubes? Seems to me, to be effective,
>>> sealant needs air to harden and seal. I know Stans works well in tubeless
>>> tires and rims, I've tried it, but inside tubes I'm not so sure.
>>>
>>> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Peter Morgano]

Agreed. But again, anyone know of a bike shop that has done the split tube
method or too much time for them to bother with?
On Apr 21, 2014 5:08 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> One last post on this: yes, we need to respect others' sense of offense.
> But one is entirely permitted to exercise one's judgment on what manifests
> excessive sensitivity on a given issue. I make no judgment at all about the
> OP's character; perhaps and hopefully he is a far better human being than
> I. But I do observe and make lawful judgment about an excessive niceness in
> matters and circumstances that, left alone, will be no worse off than they
> are.
>
> One absolutely needs first the capacity to laugh at oneself -- first to
> see one's own faults. If one really sees one's own faults, one is less
> bothered by things outside -- and I daresay one makes more positive
> difference to these outside things than otherwise, on the Daoist principle
> (no matter how remotely applied the principle to no matter how contingent a
> situation) of "non-acting action".
>
> No more goddamn sermons from me on this.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
>> It's up to all of us to try and use more appropriate terminology in life.
>> Saying it doesn't offend us is somewhat meaningless since we should be
>> concerned about the people it does offend. While the pc police can get a
>> bit out of control having lived down south for a long time I often hearrd
>> the term n word rigged so yes ghetto rigged is just an extension of that
>> line of thinking. And while some whites do live in the ghetto the term
>> carries obvious racial overtones. It's hard sometimes to know what is
>> offensive and what is not, and in that case I always err on the side of
>> non-offensive words. Having also lived in NYC its refreshing there to have
>> a place where so many ethnicities have to live along side each other, it
>> promotes a deeper appreciation for other cultures and you get to learn that
>> some terms and words you used casually growing up are offensive to some
>> groups of people. Education and multiculturalism are the keys to battling
>> racism, in my opinion.  Oh, and does anyone know if a bike shop will hook
>> up that split tube setup for you? I am pretty hands on but hate doing tire
>> and wheel stuff as I always seem to get filthy in the process.
>>  On Apr 21, 2014 2:38 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>>
>>> For me -- statistical sample of 1:
>>>
>>> 30 mm Parigi Roubaix, 60-65 psi, tubes. I did not try these tubeless.
>>>
>>> Before: a goathead flat every 2 to 5 miles; used, literally, 20 patches
>>> in one week.
>>>
>>> After: no flat in 700 miles; Stan's still entirely liquid after 12 mos.
>>>
>>>
>>> 55 mm (as measured, 50 mm labeled) Furious Freds (700C), 25-30 psi.
>>> These tires weigh about 30 grams more each than the Parigi Roubaix, so they
>>> are extremely light.
>>>
>>> I never rode these without Stan's. Here is my experience with them with
>>> Stan's.
>>>
>>> Tubed: once the goatheads matured in late fall and early winter, 1 flat
>>> every 2 miles. Many of these would seal, reluctantly, if you stopped and
>>> spun the wheel for 3 minutes, but many would not.
>>>
>>> Tubeless: no flats. When I pry thorns from the casing the air will
>>> escape, but a few revolutions of the wheel seals the holes. One experienced
>>> in goatheads told me simply to leave the thorns in the casing and let the
>>> heads break off, leaving the points to plug the holes.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:58 PM, blueride2  wrote:
>>>
 Does Stans really work well inside tubes? Seems to me, to be effective,
 sealant needs air to harden and seal. I know Stans works well in tubeless
 tires and rims, I've tried it, but inside tubes I'm not so sure.

 Richard

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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Patrick Moore]

Vaughn at Stevie's did my split tube conversion and apparently does this
routinely where a Stan's liner won't work. From their website, linked off
of Gypsy by Trade, Fat Tire Bicycles has specialized in split tube
conversions. Both ABQ shops so no use to you, but in general answer to your
question, apparently some shops are quite happy to do this.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[Tom M]

You may want to check the chain length. The two times I've had similar 
problems, that's been the source.
--Tom

On Monday, April 21, 2014 2:24:46 PM UTC-4, Ryan wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick,
>  
> The first thing I would try is a liberal application of grease to those 
> pedals , if they're serviceable. I've had this problem with MKS 
> pedalsexcellent pedals that they are...and fortunately , easily fixed 
> by aforementioned application of grease. It's annoying all right, and I'm 
> not ruling out other causes. But this is the first thing I'd try
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 11:19:03 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> Yes, I'm barefoot at 35˚F and up and have been on rides when I heard it, 
>> so barring toe nail tinging, I can eliminate foot/wear as the source. Grin. 
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Monday, April 21, 2014 10:10:11 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: 
>>>
>>> I think you pedal barefoot, but just in case, one more: one day I heard 
>>> a similar noise and discovered it was a too-long shoe lace end striking the 
>>> left chainstay with its "aglet", the plastic wrap at the end of the lace.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
 My BB is a Tange 107, Sugino cranks. I'll be replacing the BB anyway in 
 the next few weeks to a 113, which also involves the cranks getting worked 
 on. I'm pretty sure I flipped the pedals, but not positive. Could be a 
 saddle click, or a strap from the xs SaddleSack, which I have tucked in 
 front of my large Saddle Sack. Thanks all! 

 With abandon,
 Patrick  


 On Monday, April 21, 2014 6:16:01 AM UTC-6, Dan wrote:

>  I had the issue with a cracked Shimano BB cup causing clicking. 
>
> Dan Abelson 
>  On Apr 21, 2014 3:47 AM, "IanA"  wrote:
>
>>  What BB is installed?  The Shimano ones often have a plastic 
>> non-drive side cup.  These do split and sometimes are just fine like 
>> that, 
>> but sometimes they will cause a click.  Like Patrick Moore said, it 
>> could 
>> also simply be that the cup has worked loose.  
>>
>> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:06:52 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
>>>
>>> My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place 
>>> in the pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). 
>>> It 
>>> happens in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly 
>>> disappear. It stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can 
>>> eliminate chain and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure 
>>> wire 
>>> or other obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. 
>>> So 
>>> I’m thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?
>>>  
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
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Re: [RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

[Brewster Fong]

On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:40:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>  
> I personally sneer, and do so with great glee and spite, at stupid light 
> racing frames sold to fat middle aged men who buy them because they want to 
> pretend they are pro racers, or because they are too ignorant to know 
> better, or because they want to show off how expensive a bike they can buy. 
> (Well, I try not to be spiteful toward ignorance.) 
>
 
Well, I guess you would be "sneering" at me! Yes, I'm a fat, overweight 
middle aged guy who has a carbon bike! I love it! Now I don't profess to be 
a "racer," I try not to be "ignorant" and definitely don't have enough 
money to show off. But, one reason alot of people get carbon *racing* bikes 
is pyschological. I know everyone here says that doesn't matter and are 
happy to ride their 20+ lb bike up that big hill. 
 
But, for the majority of my friends, getting carbon is the way to get up 
that big hill faster! Yes, we all know it is still the engine. 
Nevertheless, IF my friends *think* that riding a 15-17lb bike is going to 
get them up the hill faster, guess what, it will! 
 
If you look at the latest carbon wonder bikes coming out of Taiwan, they 
are light and so far appear durable! I have an older Calfee (bought used in 
97 and have been riding it ever since) with 9 speed Campy and it weighs in 
at a whopping 18lbs!  In comparison, several of my buddies have bought the 
latest carbon from Taiwan - Willier (15lbs with Sram Red), one guy with a 
Time (OK, its made in France) with Sram Red that weighs about 16lb and 
couple of Trek Madones with Ultegra di2 that weigh in at about 16lbs. Their 
owners are riding faster than ever. In fact, my one friend, who just 
purchased the Trek with di2, is new to riding, has lost 15lbs and is 
climbing like a monster! He says its the bike. We all know its the 15lb 
weight loss. Nevertheless, it motivated him and isn't what really matters?  
 
So, if carbon gets people on bikes and out and riding, what's the 
problems?! Good Luck! 
 
 

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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Peter Morgano]

Sweet, I will check out my local shops to see if any of them are with the
program. Thanks!
On Apr 21, 2014 5:17 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> Vaughn at Stevie's did my split tube conversion and apparently does this
> routinely where a Stan's liner won't work. From their website, linked off
> of Gypsy by Trade, Fat Tire Bicycles has specialized in split tube
> conversions. Both ABQ shops so no use to you, but in general answer to your
> question, apparently some shops are quite happy to do this.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[Peter Morgano]

Aglet reference made my day!
On Apr 21, 2014 5:39 PM, "Tom M"  wrote:

> You may want to check the chain length. The two times I've had similar
> problems, that's been the source.
> --Tom
>
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 2:24:46 PM UTC-4, Ryan wrote:
>>
>> Hi Patrick,
>>
>> The first thing I would try is a liberal application of grease to those
>> pedals , if they're serviceable. I've had this problem with MKS
>> pedalsexcellent pedals that they are...and fortunately , easily fixed
>> by aforementioned application of grease. It's annoying all right, and I'm
>> not ruling out other causes. But this is the first thing I'd try
>> On Monday, April 21, 2014 11:19:03 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I'm barefoot at 35˚F and up and have been on rides when I heard it,
>>> so barring toe nail tinging, I can eliminate foot/wear as the source. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 21, 2014 10:10:11 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I think you pedal barefoot, but just in case, one more: one day I heard
 a similar noise and discovered it was a too-long shoe lace end striking the
 left chainstay with its "aglet", the plastic wrap at the end of the lace.


 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> My BB is a Tange 107, Sugino cranks. I'll be replacing the BB anyway
> in the next few weeks to a 113, which also involves the cranks getting
> worked on. I'm pretty sure I flipped the pedals, but not positive. Could 
> be
> a saddle click, or a strap from the xs SaddleSack, which I have tucked in
> front of my large Saddle Sack. Thanks all!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 6:16:01 AM UTC-6, Dan wrote:
>
>>  I had the issue with a cracked Shimano BB cup causing clicking.
>>
>> Dan Abelson
>>  On Apr 21, 2014 3:47 AM, "IanA"  wrote:
>>
>>>  What BB is installed?  The Shimano ones often have a plastic
>>> non-drive side cup.  These do split and sometimes are just fine like 
>>> that,
>>> but sometimes they will cause a click.  Like Patrick Moore said, it 
>>> could
>>> also simply be that the cup has worked loose.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:06:52 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place
 in the pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). 
 It
 happens in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly
 disappear. It stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can
 eliminate chain and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure 
 wire
 or other obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. 
 So
 I’m thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

[Patrick Moore]

OK, OK, I don't really want to sneer at anyone. Overspoke as usual. What I
mean is that buying a bike just to --oh hell, if someone buys a bike and
kit to look like a fat Wiggins or whoever is the current idol, then more
power to him; even more if he rides it hard. Years ago I heard of a manager
at Bikeology whose hobby was spending money on his road bike to make it
lighter; he didn't ride it that much. Well, it's better than blow and even
less weird (I am entitled to my opinion) than male Little Pony afficionados.

>From now on I am curtailing my sneers and limiting myself to polite
snickers.

Patrick Moore, trying not to be judgmental in spring-time ABQ, NM (no
flowers, though).


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Brewster Fong  wrote:

>
> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:40:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> I personally sneer, and do so with great glee and spite, at stupid light
>> racing frames sold to fat middle aged men who buy them because they want to
>> pretend they are pro racers, or because they are too ignorant to know
>> better, or because they want to show off how expensive a bike they can buy.
>> (Well, I try not to be spiteful toward ignorance.)
>>
>
> Well, I guess you would be "sneering" at me! Yes, I'm a fat, overweight
> middle aged guy who has a carbon bike! I love it! Now I don't profess to be
> a "racer," I try not to be "ignorant" and definitely don't have enough
> money to show off. But, one reason alot of people get carbon *racing* bikes
> is pyschological. I know everyone here says that doesn't matter and are
> happy to ride their 20+ lb bike up that big hill.
>
> But, for the majority of my friends, getting carbon is the way to get up
> that big hill faster! Yes, we all know it is still the engine.
> Nevertheless, IF my friends *think* that riding a 15-17lb bike is going to
> get them up the hill faster, guess what, it will!
>
> If you look at the latest carbon wonder bikes coming out of Taiwan, they
> are light and so far appear durable! I have an older Calfee (bought used in
> 97 and have been riding it ever since) with 9 speed Campy and it weighs in
> at a whopping 18lbs!  In comparison, several of my buddies have bought the
> latest carbon from Taiwan - Willier (15lbs with Sram Red), one guy with a
> Time (OK, its made in France) with Sram Red that weighs about 16lb and
> couple of Trek Madones with Ultegra di2 that weigh in at about 16lbs. Their
> owners are riding faster than ever. In fact, my one friend, who just
> purchased the Trek with di2, is new to riding, has lost 15lbs and is
> climbing like a monster! He says its the bike. We all know its the 15lb
> weight loss. Nevertheless, it motivated him and isn't what really matters?
>
> So, if carbon gets people on bikes and out and riding, what's the
> problems?! Good Luck!
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

[Eric Norris]

There are a whole bunch of bronies out there who just got really peeved at you.

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On Apr 21, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> OK, OK, I don't really want to sneer at anyone. Overspoke as usual. What I 
> mean is that buying a bike just to --oh hell, if someone buys a bike and kit 
> to look like a fat Wiggins or whoever is the current idol, then more power to 
> him; even more if he rides it hard. Years ago I heard of a manager at 
> Bikeology whose hobby was spending money on his road bike to make it lighter; 
> he didn't ride it that much. Well, it's better than blow and even less weird 
> (I am entitled to my opinion) than male Little Pony afficionados.
> 
> From now on I am curtailing my sneers and limiting myself to polite snickers.
> 
> Patrick Moore, trying not to be judgmental in spring-time ABQ, NM (no 
> flowers, though).
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Brewster Fong  wrote:
> 
> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:40:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>  
> I personally sneer, and do so with great glee and spite, at stupid light 
> racing frames sold to fat middle aged men who buy them because they want to 
> pretend they are pro racers, or because they are too ignorant to know better, 
> or because they want to show off how expensive a bike they can buy. (Well, I 
> try not to be spiteful toward ignorance.)
>  
> Well, I guess you would be "sneering" at me! Yes, I'm a fat, overweight 
> middle aged guy who has a carbon bike! I love it! Now I don't profess to be a 
> "racer," I try not to be "ignorant" and definitely don't have enough money to 
> show off. But, one reason alot of people get carbon *racing* bikes is 
> pyschological. I know everyone here says that doesn't matter and are happy to 
> ride their 20+ lb bike up that big hill.
>  
> But, for the majority of my friends, getting carbon is the way to get up that 
> big hill faster! Yes, we all know it is still the engine. Nevertheless, IF my 
> friends *think* that riding a 15-17lb bike is going to get them up the hill 
> faster, guess what, it will!
>  
> If you look at the latest carbon wonder bikes coming out of Taiwan, they are 
> light and so far appear durable! I have an older Calfee (bought used in 97 
> and have been riding it ever since) with 9 speed Campy and it weighs in at a 
> whopping 18lbs!  In comparison, several of my buddies have bought the latest 
> carbon from Taiwan - Willier (15lbs with Sram Red), one guy with a Time (OK, 
> its made in France) with Sram Red that weighs about 16lb and couple of Trek 
> Madones with Ultegra di2 that weigh in at about 16lbs. Their owners are 
> riding faster than ever. In fact, my one friend, who just purchased the Trek 
> with di2, is new to riding, has lost 15lbs and is climbing like a monster! He 
> says its the bike. We all know its the 15lb weight loss. Nevertheless, it 
> motivated him and isn't what really matters? 
>  
> So, if carbon gets people on bikes and out and riding, what's the problems?! 
> Good Luck!
>  
>  
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[RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

[John L]

The last such click I successfully diagnosed was coming from my knee.  It 
got better.

On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:06:52 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place in the 
> pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke). It happens 
> in various gears and most of the time, but seems to randomly disappear. It 
> stops if I stop pedaling. Based on this, I believe I can eliminate chain 
> and cassette, and visually I’ve checked for derailure wire or other 
> obstical that gets dinged with each revolution of the cranks. So I’m 
> thinking cranks or bottom bracket. Ideas?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Bill Lindsay]

There are TONS of really helpful videos online showing how normal people 
can implement tubeless on their own bike.  Many of those videos document 
the makeshift, pragmatic compromises one might need to make to get by with 
what they have.  

Sadly, NONE of those videos will be efficiently found by typing "Field 
Expedient Tubeless" into a Google Search.  More controversial terms make 
very efficient google search keywords.  

It is a pity

On Monday, April 21, 2014 5:31:16 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 04/21/2014 07:25 AM, Anton Tutter wrote: 
> > Ha!  I love that. "Field-expedient" can be applied to anything! I'm 
> > jotting this one down. 
>
> Absolutely.  I was an Ordnance Corps. officer many years ago, and we 
> actually had a class in Field Expedients.  I recall them telling us 
> about how to gap points with some kind of wrapper (cello or shiny metal 
> coated paper) from a pack of cigarettes, and other similar techniques.   
> You don't always have the benefit of proper tools and repair parts out 
> in the field, and sometimes lives depend on getting equipment working. 
>
> And the name gives such techniques the respect they deserve. 
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Barlow Pass - using it, liking it

[jandrews_nyc]

Just a short ride around Prospect Park but so far, they are feeling good.
Fast, Cushy, Grippy but somehow they want to move forward
I'm really happy I bought them, but I can't believe I spent that much on 
tires…hopefully they will last awhile.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Barlow Pass - using it, liking it

[Eric Norris]

Having recently purchased both two sets of GB Hetres and a pair-plus-a-spare of 
the Compass Tires "Stampede Pass," I echo this comment 100%. I certainly hope 
they last a long, long time.

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On Apr 21, 2014, at 3:55 PM, jandrews_nyc  wrote:

> I can't believe I spent that much on tires

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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[Peter Morgano]

Oh I know I can do it but with a new 100 year old house my schedule is full
of repairs for the foreseeable future and I would rather have the job done
at the lbs so I have one less project
On Apr 21, 2014 6:47 PM, "Bill Lindsay"  wrote:

> There are TONS of really helpful videos online showing how normal people
> can implement tubeless on their own bike.  Many of those videos document
> the makeshift, pragmatic compromises one might need to make to get by with
> what they have.
>
> Sadly, NONE of those videos will be efficiently found by typing "Field
> Expedient Tubeless" into a Google Search.  More controversial terms make
> very efficient google search keywords.
>
> It is a pity
>
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 5:31:16 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On 04/21/2014 07:25 AM, Anton Tutter wrote:
>> > Ha!  I love that. "Field-expedient" can be applied to anything! I'm
>> > jotting this one down.
>>
>> Absolutely.  I was an Ordnance Corps. officer many years ago, and we
>> actually had a class in Field Expedients.  I recall them telling us
>> about how to gap points with some kind of wrapper (cello or shiny metal
>> coated paper) from a pack of cigarettes, and other similar techniques.
>> You don't always have the benefit of proper tools and repair parts out
>> in the field, and sometimes lives depend on getting equipment working.
>>
>> And the name gives such techniques the respect they deserve.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

[Michael Hechmer]

Mark, I fully agree that carbon forks and frames are stronger than many on 
this list understand.  It is also true that carbon and steel forks can 
survive some front end crashes and that some crashes will destroy any fork. 
 However I am not aware of any manufacture who will guarantee a carbon 
fork, or recommend riding one after a front end crash.  Unlike steel forks, 
c.f.  and Al. forks can develop invisible cracks that will fail suddenly 
and catastrophically.  That was the point of my earlier post.  As long as 
my steel fork looked OK it was safe to ride.  That is not true with CF & Al 
forks.

Michael 

On Monday, April 21, 2014 10:19:01 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I understand, yet don't fully agree with the safety concerns of a carbon 
> fork. If something jams in your wheel, you're likely going down regardless 
> and your fork is likely going to be toast regardless. 
>
> For the record, I have a Cervelo R3 (full carbon), Giant TCX 
> (Aluminum/Carbon), did have a Bridgestone road frame (steel, more to come 
> on that), Ti SSCX with carbon fork, and a surly steamroller. Oh, and I have 
> just bought a used Atlantis... :)
>
> The Cervelo R3 was made with a more upright, 'classics' geo a year or two 
> back when I got it. I've ridden it on a few 100 mile rides, going hard and 
> have been amazingly comfortable the entire time, and that's on 25mm tires! 
> Maybe it's the spaghetti-sized seat stays that soak up the vibrations, but 
> it is truly a dreamy ride quality.
>
> I used to have a wonderful Bridgestone steel road frame, with Suntour 
> Cyclone 2 drivetrain and Sugino Mighty Competition. I never found out the 
> model. I actually found the complete bike in a pile of garbage at a 
> construction site. It looked brand new, hah! Then something got caught in 
> my front wheel while riding at maybe 15-20km/h. I immediately flipped over 
> the bars and woke up in the hospital a few hours later. Thank god I had a 
> helmet on (which at that time was not normal for me). The steel fork was 
> totally destroyed. I doubt having a carbon fork would have made things 
> worse or better. I've had a lot of nasty head-on crashes with my CX bikes, 
> both with carbon forks, and no issues. They are a lot stronger than one 
> might think.
>
> In the end, I agree - I've felt great on aluminum, carbon, steel, and ti. 
> Rider position, tires, saddle, and wheels make way more of a difference 
> than frame material.
>
> On Saturday, April 19, 2014 12:31:22 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm talking ride quality only, not function.
>> Don't blow a gasket until you read this post in full.
>>
>> Steel, carbon, Alu, Ti, Rando-lite frames, etc.
>>
>> I just saw a RAAM documentary. Actually I have watched three of them.
>> Those guys are mostly carbon, skinny tires, with bars waaay low, yet they 
>> do hundreds of miles a day, culminating in a 3,000 mile race finish in less 
>> than 10 days. You gotta be comfy on your bike to a certain degree to 
>> survive a 3,000 mile ride in 10 days or less. You can't really argue with 
>> that. Yeah, they are athletes,and suffer, but read on...
>>
>> I'm starting to think that no frame material is better than another when 
>> at the higher quality levels and craftsmanship. And I think RAAM blows it 
>> all outta the water. RAAM has been ridden on just about everything I would 
>> think. I don't think these people are dummies, and I am sure they have done 
>> their homework to find what suits their needs. I think it's just preference 
>> at that point. I don't know that Jure Robic (5-time RAAM winner) would have 
>> done any better, or felt any better, on a Herse, Scott, Lightspeed, or 
>> Roadeo. Someone once asked him how his behind felt during RAAM, and he 
>> stuck his fingers in his mouth imitating a gun. I don't think that would 
>> have changed no matter what he was riding (and it looked like a studded 
>> leather saddle in the documentary I saw).
>>
>> Now function is another thing altogether.  You want braze-ons and wide 
>> tires and clearance, approach a steel frame builder for sure.
>>
>> I needed to ride through mud and gravel to continue on my way today and I 
>> was glad I was on my fender-ed Rivbike with 42 mm tires and not on a 25mm 
>> tire-ed race bike.
>>
>> I'm not going to touch safety and lifetime issues of materials. The 
>> battle rages.
>>
>> Anyway, since I got my head out of carbon, and have been reading a lot 
>> about steel, I have been wondering. Because everyone seems to love their 
>> quality bikes, no matter what the material is.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

[justinaugust]

I do not think anyone is showing anyone the door or that anyone is purposefully 
being offensive - however whenever someone says they have the right to speak 
offensively this is my new default response: http://xkcd.com/1357/

I repeat: I do not think anyone is showing anyone the door or that anyone is 
purposefully being offensive.

-J. 

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[RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

[eflayer]

No matter how you fat you are, if you have never had the experience of 
comparing doing a climb on a 17 lb carbon bike and 22 + lb full steel 
(Rivendell), I suggest you give it a try and then get back to the group 
about your opinion of which you prefer. No doubt steel will hold up better 
through the millenia and won't crack in crash, but bikes don't crash that 
often and why not enjoy the ride in as many ways as you can? 
 
I did 4000 ft in 40 miles yesterday and chose to do it on a Specialized 
Roubaix. Oh what fun it is.
On Friday, April 18, 2014 10:31:22 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

>
> I'm talking ride quality only, not function.
> Don't blow a gasket until you read this post in full.
>
> Steel, carbon, Alu, Ti, Rando-lite frames, etc.
>
> I just saw a RAAM documentary. Actually I have watched three of them.
> Those guys are mostly carbon, skinny tires, with bars waaay low, yet they 
> do hundreds of miles a day, culminating in a 3,000 mile race finish in less 
> than 10 days. You gotta be comfy on your bike to a certain degree to 
> survive a 3,000 mile ride in 10 days or less. You can't really argue with 
> that. Yeah, they are athletes,and suffer, but read on...
>
> I'm starting to think that no frame material is better than another when 
> at the higher quality levels and craftsmanship. And I think RAAM blows it 
> all outta the water. RAAM has been ridden on just about everything I would 
> think. I don't think these people are dummies, and I am sure they have done 
> their homework to find what suits their needs. I think it's just preference 
> at that point. I don't know that Jure Robic (5-time RAAM winner) would have 
> done any better, or felt any better, on a Herse, Scott, Lightspeed, or 
> Roadeo. Someone once asked him how his behind felt during RAAM, and he 
> stuck his fingers in his mouth imitating a gun. I don't think that would 
> have changed no matter what he was riding (and it looked like a studded 
> leather saddle in the documentary I saw).
>
> Now function is another thing altogether.  You want braze-ons and wide 
> tires and clearance, approach a steel frame builder for sure.
>
> I needed to ride through mud and gravel to continue on my way today and I 
> was glad I was on my fender-ed Rivbike with 42 mm tires and not on a 25mm 
> tire-ed race bike.
>
> I'm not going to touch safety and lifetime issues of materials. The battle 
> rages.
>
> Anyway, since I got my head out of carbon, and have been reading a lot 
> about steel, I have been wondering. Because everyone seems to love their 
> quality bikes, no matter what the material is.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

[Peter Morgano]

I rode full suspension aluminum on single track yesterday and man it was
fun! Not a bike I would own nor a ride I do often but it's always nice to
get outside the bubble every now and then.
On Apr 21, 2014 8:16 PM, "eflayer"  wrote:

> No matter how you fat you are, if you have never had the experience of
> comparing doing a climb on a 17 lb carbon bike and 22 + lb full steel
> (Rivendell), I suggest you give it a try and then get back to the group
> about your opinion of which you prefer. No doubt steel will hold up better
> through the millenia and won't crack in crash, but bikes don't crash that
> often and why not enjoy the ride in as many ways as you can?
>
> I did 4000 ft in 40 miles yesterday and chose to do it on a Specialized
> Roubaix. Oh what fun it is.
> On Friday, April 18, 2014 10:31:22 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm talking ride quality only, not function.
>> Don't blow a gasket until you read this post in full.
>>
>> Steel, carbon, Alu, Ti, Rando-lite frames, etc.
>>
>> I just saw a RAAM documentary. Actually I have watched three of them.
>> Those guys are mostly carbon, skinny tires, with bars waaay low, yet they
>> do hundreds of miles a day, culminating in a 3,000 mile race finish in less
>> than 10 days. You gotta be comfy on your bike to a certain degree to
>> survive a 3,000 mile ride in 10 days or less. You can't really argue with
>> that. Yeah, they are athletes,and suffer, but read on...
>>
>> I'm starting to think that no frame material is better than another when
>> at the higher quality levels and craftsmanship. And I think RAAM blows it
>> all outta the water. RAAM has been ridden on just about everything I would
>> think. I don't think these people are dummies, and I am sure they have done
>> their homework to find what suits their needs. I think it's just preference
>> at that point. I don't know that Jure Robic (5-time RAAM winner) would have
>> done any better, or felt any better, on a Herse, Scott, Lightspeed, or
>> Roadeo. Someone once asked him how his behind felt during RAAM, and he
>> stuck his fingers in his mouth imitating a gun. I don't think that would
>> have changed no matter what he was riding (and it looked like a studded
>> leather saddle in the documentary I saw).
>>
>> Now function is another thing altogether.  You want braze-ons and wide
>> tires and clearance, approach a steel frame builder for sure.
>>
>> I needed to ride through mud and gravel to continue on my way today and I
>> was glad I was on my fender-ed Rivbike with 42 mm tires and not on a 25mm
>> tire-ed race bike.
>>
>> I'm not going to touch safety and lifetime issues of materials. The
>> battle rages.
>>
>> Anyway, since I got my head out of carbon, and have been reading a lot
>> about steel, I have been wondering. Because everyone seems to love their
>> quality bikes, no matter what the material is.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Barlow Pass - using it, liking it

[Peter Morgano]

Ooh, prospect Park is in bloom already? I used to live on 15th and park,
the ride there is nice, but a bit too many people who really don't know how
to ride with other cyclists unfortunately.
On Apr 21, 2014 6:55 PM, "jandrews_nyc"  wrote:

> Just a short ride around Prospect Park but so far, they are feeling good.
> Fast, Cushy, Grippy but somehow they want to move forward
> I'm really happy I bought them, but I can't believe I spent that much on
> tires…hopefully they will last awhile.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Knard width -- questions for users

[Eric Daume]

I'm guessing it would not fit on the rear of a Fargo. My Niner had pretty
exceptional tire clearance, and it didn't workably fit there.


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks for all the replies. So it looks as if a 3.0 won't fit on the stock
> FV1 fork, but I have been thinking of getting a new, lower trail fork 
>
> Eric: any idea if the tire will fit in the rear of the FV1?
>
> The 650B idea is intriguing, but my experience is that additional
> circumference makes for better rolling; the Fargo already has a lowish bb.
>
> Anyway, no change immediately: the FFs, though harder and skinnier than my
> preference, are excellent, fast rolling tires and for most of my riding
> they are just fine. But if I go ahead with the new fork (will ask for
> biplane crown!) I'll be sure to spec a >77 mm width.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I still have 3 Furious Freds to wear out, but I do miss the up-to-65 mm
>> width of Big Apples and the as-low-as 12/16 psi pressures (the BAs had
>> sturdier sidewalls and contained tubes). Reviews of the Knard make it very
>> intriguing, and per my admittedly cursory measurements the Fargo has enough
>> room between fork legs and stays to accommodate the tire.
>>
>> Gypsy By Trade measures a used 3.0 Knard on a 50 mm rim at 77.1 mm which
>> is 3". Is this what you measure? How wide is your rim?
>>
>> Do you run it tubeless or with tubes?
>>
>> How low front and rear are you comfortable with and
>> = what is the total of your weight + weight of baggage carried?
>> = what terrain do you ride?
>>
>> The 44 mm wide SnoCat SLs should work very well with the Knard and give
>> it a nice, wide and flat profile (the FFs measure a true 55 mm on these
>> rims; they are labeled 50 mm).
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Knard width -- questions for users

[Anne Paulson]

I'm pretty sure that a Knard doesn't fit on the rear of the Fargo. It's not
just the frame width that's an issue. The Knard is so wide it can interfere
with the chain on a bike not designed for it.


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> I'm guessing it would not fit on the rear of a Fargo. My Niner had pretty
> exceptional tire clearance, and it didn't workably fit there.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the replies. So it looks as if a 3.0 won't fit on the
>> stock FV1 fork, but I have been thinking of getting a new, lower trail fork
>> 
>>
>> Eric: any idea if the tire will fit in the rear of the FV1?
>>
>> The 650B idea is intriguing, but my experience is that additional
>> circumference makes for better rolling; the Fargo already has a lowish bb.
>>
>> Anyway, no change immediately: the FFs, though harder and skinnier than
>> my preference, are excellent, fast rolling tires and for most of my riding
>> they are just fine. But if I go ahead with the new fork (will ask for
>> biplane crown!) I'll be sure to spec a >77 mm width.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I still have 3 Furious Freds to wear out, but I do miss the up-to-65 mm
>>> width of Big Apples and the as-low-as 12/16 psi pressures (the BAs had
>>> sturdier sidewalls and contained tubes). Reviews of the Knard make it very
>>> intriguing, and per my admittedly cursory measurements the Fargo has enough
>>> room between fork legs and stays to accommodate the tire.
>>>
>>> Gypsy By Trade measures a used 3.0 Knard on a 50 mm rim at 77.1 mm which
>>> is 3". Is this what you measure? How wide is your rim?
>>>
>>> Do you run it tubeless or with tubes?
>>>
>>> How low front and rear are you comfortable with and
>>> = what is the total of your weight + weight of baggage carried?
>>> = what terrain do you ride?
>>>
>>> The 44 mm wide SnoCat SLs should work very well with the Knard and give
>>> it a nice, wide and flat profile (the FFs measure a true 55 mm on these
>>> rims; they are labeled 50 mm).
>>>
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>>
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[RBW] Re: GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

[WETH]

Dear Patrick, last summer they did 30 plus miles on paved trails and roads.  
They are a year older, stronger, and more opinionated now!  We are toying with 
5 days for the trip with the following mileage days: 37 miles, 25 mileS, 27 
miles, 20 miles, 44 miles (mostly downhill into Cumberland).  We are giving 
them choices where possible.  Adventure Cycling runs a family biking tour on 
the trail, and I am loosely following their distances.
Dear Andy, that sounds like it was a memorable trip.  Do you remember what the 
grade of the trail is like from Pittsburg to Ohiopyle?  Am I right that it is 
more flat to rolling? I know the grade is pretty consistently upward from 
Ohiopyle through Meyersdale, hence the lower mileage on days 3 and 4. Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

[Deacon Patrick]

I look forward to hearing how it goes and the photos!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

[Jim Bronson]

or invisible delamination...


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Mark, I fully agree that carbon forks and frames are stronger than many on
> this list understand.  It is also true that carbon and steel forks can
> survive some front end crashes and that some crashes will destroy any fork.
>  However I am not aware of any manufacture who will guarantee a carbon
> fork, or recommend riding one after a front end crash.  Unlike steel forks,
> c.f.  and Al. forks can develop invisible cracks that will fail suddenly
> and catastrophically.  That was the point of my earlier post.  As long as
> my steel fork looked OK it was safe to ride.  That is not true with CF & Al
> forks.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 10:19:01 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> I understand, yet don't fully agree with the safety concerns of a carbon
>> fork. If something jams in your wheel, you're likely going down regardless
>> and your fork is likely going to be toast regardless.
>>
>> For the record, I have a Cervelo R3 (full carbon), Giant TCX
>> (Aluminum/Carbon), did have a Bridgestone road frame (steel, more to come
>> on that), Ti SSCX with carbon fork, and a surly steamroller. Oh, and I have
>> just bought a used Atlantis... :)
>>
>> The Cervelo R3 was made with a more upright, 'classics' geo a year or two
>> back when I got it. I've ridden it on a few 100 mile rides, going hard and
>> have been amazingly comfortable the entire time, and that's on 25mm tires!
>> Maybe it's the spaghetti-sized seat stays that soak up the vibrations, but
>> it is truly a dreamy ride quality.
>>
>> I used to have a wonderful Bridgestone steel road frame, with Suntour
>> Cyclone 2 drivetrain and Sugino Mighty Competition. I never found out the
>> model. I actually found the complete bike in a pile of garbage at a
>> construction site. It looked brand new, hah! Then something got caught in
>> my front wheel while riding at maybe 15-20km/h. I immediately flipped over
>> the bars and woke up in the hospital a few hours later. Thank god I had a
>> helmet on (which at that time was not normal for me). The steel fork was
>> totally destroyed. I doubt having a carbon fork would have made things
>> worse or better. I've had a lot of nasty head-on crashes with my CX bikes,
>> both with carbon forks, and no issues. They are a lot stronger than one
>> might think.
>>
>> In the end, I agree - I've felt great on aluminum, carbon, steel, and ti.
>> Rider position, tires, saddle, and wheels make way more of a difference
>> than frame material.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 19, 2014 12:31:22 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm talking ride quality only, not function.
>>> Don't blow a gasket until you read this post in full.
>>>
>>> Steel, carbon, Alu, Ti, Rando-lite frames, etc.
>>>
>>> I just saw a RAAM documentary. Actually I have watched three of them.
>>> Those guys are mostly carbon, skinny tires, with bars waaay low, yet
>>> they do hundreds of miles a day, culminating in a 3,000 mile race finish in
>>> less than 10 days. You gotta be comfy on your bike to a certain degree to
>>> survive a 3,000 mile ride in 10 days or less. You can't really argue with
>>> that. Yeah, they are athletes,and suffer, but read on...
>>>
>>> I'm starting to think that no frame material is better than another when
>>> at the higher quality levels and craftsmanship. And I think RAAM blows it
>>> all outta the water. RAAM has been ridden on just about everything I would
>>> think. I don't think these people are dummies, and I am sure they have done
>>> their homework to find what suits their needs. I think it's just preference
>>> at that point. I don't know that Jure Robic (5-time RAAM winner) would have
>>> done any better, or felt any better, on a Herse, Scott, Lightspeed, or
>>> Roadeo. Someone once asked him how his behind felt during RAAM, and he
>>> stuck his fingers in his mouth imitating a gun. I don't think that would
>>> have changed no matter what he was riding (and it looked like a studded
>>> leather saddle in the documentary I saw).
>>>
>>> Now function is another thing altogether.  You want braze-ons and wide
>>> tires and clearance, approach a steel frame builder for sure.
>>>
>>> I needed to ride through mud and gravel to continue on my way today and
>>> I was glad I was on my fender-ed Rivbike with 42 mm tires and not on a 25mm
>>> tire-ed race bike.
>>>
>>> I'm not going to touch safety and lifetime issues of materials. The
>>> battle rages.
>>>
>>> Anyway, since I got my head out of carbon, and have been reading a lot
>>> about steel, I have been wondering. Because everyone seems to love their
>>> quality bikes, no matter what the material is.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Anyone Using Magnic Lights?

[Eric Norris]

P.S.  See my video report on the Magnic taillight here (the taillight portion 
starts at 1:13): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDZcSgucXfE 

--Eric N 


On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:45 PM, William!  wrote:

> Can anyone comment on mounting a rear Magnic light with a rack/panniers? I 
> run a standard dyno light on the front but the wiring job has always kept me 
> from having a dyno rear light. Would be great if this could provide a 
> minimally intrusive solution.
> 
> On Saturday, April 19, 2014 1:28:35 AM UTC-7, Jeff Ong wrote:
> The girlfriend and I are each getting a set of the new ones in May 
> (hopefully). I will try to post reactions once I've put a few miles on them.
> 
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[RBW] Reviews/Experience Desired - Kucharik Six Panel Wool Shorts

[Corwin]

Anybody ever bought and worn these shorts:

http://www.kucharikclothing.com/wool-short-6-panel-p-446.html

?

I've always ridden with "Andiamo skins" type underwear under thin cotton 
shorts. So far, no problems - but I think I'm avoiding chafing and other 
problems based mostly on luck. My saddle usually gets a fair amount of 
sweat on long and/or hot rides.

I'm contemplating an investment in the Kucharik six panel wool shorts and 
wondering:

1) Do they run true to size?

2) I don't feel a need for a pad - but am curious if the chamios would take 
up much of the sweat I put out. Or will the wool just heat me up more and 
cause more sweat/moisture?

Thanks in advance.


Corwin

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Re: [RBW] Reviews/Experience Desired - Kucharik Six Panel Wool Shorts

[cyclotourist]

Kucharik makes good stuff. Can't speak to this particular model, as I have
their Traditional shorts
http://www.kucharikclothing.com/wool-shorts-traditional-p-347.html

On those, sizing is true. They don't over heat me. I'd prefer chamios to
the synth pad in there, but really no problems with what I have.

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Corwin  wrote:

> Anybody ever bought and worn these shorts:
>
> http://www.kucharikclothing.com/wool-short-6-panel-p-446.html
>
> ?
>
> I've always ridden with "Andiamo skins" type underwear under thin cotton
> shorts. So far, no problems - but I think I'm avoiding chafing and other
> problems based mostly on luck. My saddle usually gets a fair amount of
> sweat on long and/or hot rides.
>
> I'm contemplating an investment in the Kucharik six panel wool shorts and
> wondering:
>
> 1) Do they run true to size?
>
> 2) I don't feel a need for a pad - but am curious if the chamios would
> take up much of the sweat I put out. Or will the wool just heat me up more
> and cause more sweat/moisture?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Corwin
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Olive green Sackville BarSack + Nitto BarSack Rack

[Bruce Smitham]

Hi Tom,

I'm interested in the bag.and rack combo. Can you send me a photo and I'll 
probably take it. Let me know if you can do a little better and I'll paypal 
you ASAP. You can email me at: bsmit...@jlohr.com thanks, Bruce

On Monday, April 21, 2014 11:07:30 AM UTC-7, Tom Harrop wrote:
>
> Hi list,
>
> I've had this handlebar rack and 
> bag  combo for a couple of 
> years and only used it once or twice, so it's time to find it a new home. I 
> would say the condition is 'like new' except for a small scuff mark on the 
> front of the bag. I also replaced the M8 bolts with wingnuts for easier on 
> and off. Happy to send photos to interested parties.
>
> I looked up the invoice, and I paid $245 for the pair. I'm in Germany but 
> I'm happy to ship it pretty much anywhere. Shipping from DE to the US 
> with DHL (small packet, no insurance, probably one week to ten days in 
> transit) is about €15, so how about PayPal US$150 shipped? If that seems 
> unreasonable go ahead and make an offer.
>
> Please reply offline if interested.
>
> Tom
> Germany.
>

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