[RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[IanA]

You could use a cassette hub or a freewheel hub providing it is compatible 
with the frame spacing (probably 130mm on the rear axle).

Typically, you'll put a new chain on when swapping wheel sets (unless you 
use the same cassette/freewheel).  I wouldn't tear apart your 700 wheels. 
 Just start fresh with a new 650b set.  If you become 100% a convert to 
650b, then you could rebuild the Phil hubs into new wheels.  

In terms of compatibility - are you running indexed shifting?  If you can 
run friction, there is massive adjust-ability - basically an effortless 
swap where gearing is concerned.  If you have brifters or other indexed 
shifting, you'll need to check on what works with specific spacing.  This 
will need to take into account the shifters, the cassette/freewheel and the 
derailleur.  



On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:38:14 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Is it possible to swap 650B and 700C wheels (and compatible brakes) on a 
> bike with minimal adjustment?
>
> I have less than 3mm clearance all around the 700x28's I have on it now 
> (picture).  The wisdom (kool-aid?) of the list has prevailed; I'm strongly 
> considering getting a 650B wheelset and compatible brakes so I can run 
> wider tires and fenders on my '97 Riv Road.
>
> I'm visiting a cool LBS soon that has a couple bikes with 650B, and 
> they'll let me do a fit check.
>
> I'm currently running a Shimano hyperglide freewheel cogset on a Phil hub, 
> with Campagnolo Racing T derailleur.  I like it; no problems and it rolls 
> very smoothly.
>
> If I build a 650B wheel, do I have to use the same freewheel cogs?  Like, 
> exactly the same model?  If I put a different 7-speed freewheel, how much 
> derailleur tuning would be required?  Could I put on an 8-speed freewheel 
> and still use the Campy derailleur?  Lots of tuning at that point?
>
> If there is no compatibility, I could tear apart the existing 700C wheels 
> and rebuild them with 650B rims.  This keep the plush Phil hubs and the 
> working cogs, but then I'm stuck with a rebuild again if I want to go back 
> to 700C.
>
> Tim
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[Joe Bernard]

Wow, I spaced bad on that one. Yes, he'll need matching shifters/derailers 
for indexing. 

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:41:12 AM UTC-7, IanA wrote:

> You could use a cassette hub or a freewheel hub providing it is compatible 
> with the frame spacing (probably 130mm on the rear axle).
>
> Typically, you'll put a new chain on when swapping wheel sets (unless you 
> use the same cassette/freewheel).  I wouldn't tear apart your 700 wheels. 
>  Just start fresh with a new 650b set.  If you become 100% a convert to 
> 650b, then you could rebuild the Phil hubs into new wheels.  
>
> In terms of compatibility - are you running indexed shifting?  If you can 
> run friction, there is massive adjust-ability - basically an effortless 
> swap where gearing is concerned.  If you have brifters or other indexed 
> shifting, you'll need to check on what works with specific spacing.  This 
> will need to take into account the shifters, the cassette/freewheel and the 
> derailleur.  
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:38:14 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible to swap 650B and 700C wheels (and compatible brakes) on a 
>> bike with minimal adjustment?
>>
>> I have less than 3mm clearance all around the 700x28's I have on it now 
>> (picture).  The wisdom (kool-aid?) of the list has prevailed; I'm strongly 
>> considering getting a 650B wheelset and compatible brakes so I can run 
>> wider tires and fenders on my '97 Riv Road.
>>
>> I'm visiting a cool LBS soon that has a couple bikes with 650B, and 
>> they'll let me do a fit check.
>>
>> I'm currently running a Shimano hyperglide freewheel cogset on a Phil 
>> hub, with Campagnolo Racing T derailleur.  I like it; no problems and it 
>> rolls very smoothly.
>>
>> If I build a 650B wheel, do I have to use the same freewheel cogs?  Like, 
>> exactly the same model?  If I put a different 7-speed freewheel, how much 
>> derailleur tuning would be required?  Could I put on an 8-speed freewheel 
>> and still use the Campy derailleur?  Lots of tuning at that point?
>>
>> If there is no compatibility, I could tear apart the existing 700C wheels 
>> and rebuild them with 650B rims.  This keep the plush Phil hubs and the 
>> working cogs, but then I'm stuck with a rebuild again if I want to go back 
>> to 700C.
>>
>> Tim
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Marc Irwin]

I have reserved campsite A24 for myself and will have room to share.  Amit 
Singh from Detroit sent me a message that he may try to coordinate the trip 
and come also, so he may opt to share my site.  I'll wait and see how 
things pan out with his schedule before I leave the option open.

Marc

On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:44:23 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> I want to offer a bit of detail about what this year's country bike rally 
> participants can expect. 
>
> We will be following the general course, if not the exact route, of the 
> Almanzo 100, over two days of riding. Almanzo cue sheets, last I checked, 
> were available for download. The Almanzo course is mostly gravel, which can 
> be highly variable between smooth and pavement-like to gnarly loose gravel 
> with potholes. The terrain is quite hilly by Midwestern standards, but 
> splitting the route into 2 days and taking a leisurely pace should make it 
> less of an ordeal. Weather, as always, will be a factor. It's certain that 
> bikes will get dirty, and possible that rocks will chip the paint. That's 
> life.
>
> We will ride as a group and regroup as needed when we get separated by 
> hills or whatever. That said, this is a "ride at your own risk" situation. 
> Any participant is free to "opt out" for any reason, but there is no 
> support car to pick you up if that happens. Hopefully we can support each 
> other and all have a good ride without incident. But stuff happens, and 
> every rider should accept the inherent risks and have some kind of backup 
> plan.
>
> We will pass through a couple small towns where we may be able to eat in 
> cafes and get groceries. But for the most part, plan to have the day's 
> food/water on the bike.
>
> Any other questions?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[Bruce Herbitter]

Two buddies who have ridden red Selle Anatomicas have not experienced color
change after several thousand miles. Hopefully your brooks will be the
same.  My green brooks is still green two years later, although the copper
plating of the rails is fading.


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:33 PM, LeahFoy  wrote:

> And how does one re-dye? It doesn't sound like anything I'd love to do...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[Ron Mc]

Just finished a bike project and opted for the black "truleather" Selle. 
 Was thinking about the red, but if it wasn't quite the same color as the 
red frame, would have looked out of place.  On another bike, have the blue 
B-17, but you can't tell it's blue - it looks black.  Between the two, the 
Selle is the more invisible-feeling (length and width are identical), but 
don't know if it will hold up like the Brooks.  

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:06:31 AM UTC-5, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Two buddies who have ridden red Selle Anatomicas have not experienced 
> color change after several thousand miles. Hopefully your brooks will be 
> the same.  My green brooks is still green two years later, although the 
> copper plating of the rails is fading.
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:33 PM, LeahFoy 
> > wrote:
>
>> And how does one re-dye? It doesn't sound like anything I'd love to do...
>>
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[RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[Ron Mc]

Chain wrap is the key on use of your Campy Racing T derailleur with wider 
gears.  You may be limited to 26T rear, and it certainly won't go over 28T. 
 
http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=D667E8E0-9581-449F-9E24-7FC59D975684&Enum=108&AbsPos=27
  
Also, a short RD will not let you use a triple crankset, because there is 
no place to put the chain from the small chainring.  

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:35:54 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Wow, I spaced bad on that one. Yes, he'll need matching shifters/derailers 
> for indexing. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:41:12 AM UTC-7, IanA wrote:
>
>> You could use a cassette hub or a freewheel hub providing it is 
>> compatible with the frame spacing (probably 130mm on the rear axle).
>>
>> Typically, you'll put a new chain on when swapping wheel sets (unless you 
>> use the same cassette/freewheel).  I wouldn't tear apart your 700 wheels. 
>>  Just start fresh with a new 650b set.  If you become 100% a convert to 
>> 650b, then you could rebuild the Phil hubs into new wheels.  
>>
>> In terms of compatibility - are you running indexed shifting?  If you can 
>> run friction, there is massive adjust-ability - basically an effortless 
>> swap where gearing is concerned.  If you have brifters or other indexed 
>> shifting, you'll need to check on what works with specific spacing.  This 
>> will need to take into account the shifters, the cassette/freewheel and the 
>> derailleur.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:38:14 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it possible to swap 650B and 700C wheels (and compatible brakes) on a 
>>> bike with minimal adjustment?
>>>
>>> I have less than 3mm clearance all around the 700x28's I have on it now 
>>> (picture).  The wisdom (kool-aid?) of the list has prevailed; I'm strongly 
>>> considering getting a 650B wheelset and compatible brakes so I can run 
>>> wider tires and fenders on my '97 Riv Road.
>>>
>>> I'm visiting a cool LBS soon that has a couple bikes with 650B, and 
>>> they'll let me do a fit check.
>>>
>>> I'm currently running a Shimano hyperglide freewheel cogset on a Phil 
>>> hub, with Campagnolo Racing T derailleur.  I like it; no problems and it 
>>> rolls very smoothly.
>>>
>>> If I build a 650B wheel, do I have to use the same freewheel cogs? 
>>>  Like, exactly the same model?  If I put a different 7-speed freewheel, how 
>>> much derailleur tuning would be required?  Could I put on an 8-speed 
>>> freewheel and still use the Campy derailleur?  Lots of tuning at that point?
>>>
>>> If there is no compatibility, I could tear apart the existing 700C 
>>> wheels and rebuild them with 650B rims.  This keep the plush Phil hubs and 
>>> the working cogs, but then I'm stuck with a rebuild again if I want to go 
>>> back to 700C.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>  
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: That Pugsley

[Steven Frederick]

Love my Mukluk-the geometry suits me better than the Pugs, and for the
bike's mission, I think aluminum isn't a bad option.  Recent shot of self
(wearing wool and MUSA pants) and My Muk:

[image: Inline image 1]


On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Mojo  wrote:

> I have a Pugsley and love it. It was my main mtn bike for a season, but
> have gone back to my 2.3" shod Salsa Ala Carte. The rear facing drop-ins
> didn't bother me, the wide Q was noticeable but didn't bother me. The huge
> trail handling bothered me. Its head angle of 70.5 with fork rake at 43mm
> yields 88mm of trail with 28mm of wheel flop.
>
> The Krampus, incredibly takes those numbers higher, HA 69.5, fork rake
> 47mm, 76mm wide 29ers tires, yields trail of 96mm with 31mm of wheel flop!
>
> The Salsa Mukluk trail is also in the low 90s, plus it has the odd 170mm
> wide rear hub, and is Al. All of those things are negatives for me.
>
> I think the Pugsley is the ideal fat bike platform to do different riding.
>
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 11:47:45 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> All the Surly FBs have rear-facing track ends, which I don't like at all.
>> Only downside of an otherwise very cool bike. Looking at the Salsa Mukluk
>> just because of the drop outs, although it's Al alloy which is not my
>> preference. But yeah, the Krampus looks awesome!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Kellie Stapleton 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Since I rarely ride snow, I would now get the *Krampus* (Surly), a
>>> 29"er+ instead of a Pugs, but they just came out with them recently.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 11:42:12 AM UTC-7, Tonester wrote:

 I'm glad someone else brought this up, because I sure as hell wasn't
 going to out myself!   When the fat bikes came out I thought "what a truly
 ridiculous idea".  Since then, I've seen all sorts of cool adventures on
 youtube (find the guys who fatbiked/kayaked in Alaska!) and have moved to a
 place where I have access to miles of creekbed with potato sized rocks
 (everything from fingerlings to bakers).  I tried riding my bike with 2.0
 tires and couldn't hack it.  I'm going to try again with my bike with 2.4s
 - if that doesn't cut it a Puglsey is on the the shopping list.

 On Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:17:29 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Damn, another bike to add to the want list. I must try one.
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Kellie Stapleton <
> kellie.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I can attest to the fact the Puglsey is more than for just snow; my
>> only mtb bike:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 6:40:11 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, readers, I didn't get a chance to ride it, since it was
>>> special ordered and the owner picked it up before this week's workday. 
>>> But
>>> Steve is thinking of getting one for a floor model (as well as one or a 
>>> few
>>> Long Haul Truckers, which have been selling well).
>>>
>>> 210 mm Q factor  shudder. But if/when one comes in, I will try
>>> it and report.
>>>
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[RBW] WTB: Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork Grips (x2 pair)

[Jay B]

Howdy folks,

I went to place an order with RBW the other day, and according to Spencer 
they are out of the cork grips until the end of May/beginning of June.  We 
are leaving for an adventure early June, and I had planned on having these 
installed on the Bleriot and Betty Foy by then.  I wish I could say this is 
the first time I've waited until the last minute to order needed trip gear. 
 Doh!

Does anyone have a pair or two they could part with (1 pair regular & 1 
pair bar end style OR 2 pair regular style).  I'm happy to paypal for these 
or get you a gift certificate from RBW for their replacement.  

Thanks,
-Jay B.

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Re: [RBW] Riv in the Wild: Hillborne at the Assault on Mt. Mitchell/Assault on Marion

[Eric Norris]

Totally not seeing the Hillborne ... 

Eric N
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Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

On May 21, 2013, at 11:14 AM, kmcmoobud  wrote:

> Somewhere, mixed in the madness of this this pack of 1,000+ blinged out 
> carbon frames and time obsessed riders was a Sam Hillborne.  I saw it there 
> last year, too.  Way to show up!
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/surlybvisits/8772912820/
> 
> Kristy
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork Grips (x2 pair)

[Mike]

Not sure if this helps but Dimension makes cork grips. Before RBW sold the 
Miesha's grips, they sold a grip like this and folks had to modify them to 
accommodate bar-end shifters. If I remember correctly, there was an article 
in the Riv Reader or one of the catalogs about how to do this. Perhaps 
others will chime in. Anyway, you can get the Dimension grips through 
Universal Cycles. Or maybe even a local bike shop?

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=23901&category=1682

Good luck!

--mike

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:41:28 AM UTC-7, Jay B wrote:
>
> Howdy folks,
>
> I went to place an order with RBW the other day, and according to Spencer 
> they are out of the cork grips until the end of May/beginning of June.  We 
> are leaving for an adventure early June, and I had planned on having these 
> installed on the Bleriot and Betty Foy by then.  I wish I could say this is 
> the first time I've waited until the last minute to order needed trip gear. 
>  Doh!
>
> Does anyone have a pair or two they could part with (1 pair regular & 1 
> pair bar end style OR 2 pair regular style).  I'm happy to paypal for these 
> or get you a gift certificate from RBW for their replacement.  
>
> Thanks,
> -Jay B.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[Tim Gavin]

Thanks for the great info, folks.

Ron-  that link is for a Campy Chorus.  are you sure it's the same as the
Racing T?  The T in Racing T is for "triple" (50/40/30 front).  But you're
right, I'm limited to 28T.  I'll have to upgrade the rear derailer if I
want to put on wider rear gears.

Joe/Ian-  I'm running friction bar ends.  Shimano, I believe.  So I gather
that they'd be flexible for any 7speed hub, but I may need to replace them
if I step up to 8 or 9.

Garth- good to know that there are some freewheel options.

I still can't find a set of 650B's to try out.  One LBS told me he had some
built, but it turns out they were on a MTB "27.5er" (stupid confusing
term).  Disc brake won't fit in my frame.

I think I'm just gonna buy a cheap 650B set and try them out.  Then, if I
like the size, I can rebuild my Phil's into some 650B rims.  There's a
local mega touring Atlantis owner who said he'll build wheels for beer.


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Chain wrap is the key on use of your Campy Racing T derailleur with wider
> gears.  You may be limited to 26T rear, and it certainly won't go over 28T.
>
>
> http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=D667E8E0-9581-449F-9E24-7FC59D975684&Enum=108&AbsPos=27
>
> Also, a short RD will not let you use a triple crankset, because there is
> no place to put the chain from the small chainring.
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:35:54 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I spaced bad on that one. Yes, he'll need matching
>> shifters/derailers for indexing.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:41:12 AM UTC-7, IanA wrote:
>>
>>> You could use a cassette hub or a freewheel hub providing it is
>>> compatible with the frame spacing (probably 130mm on the rear axle).
>>>
>>> Typically, you'll put a new chain on when swapping wheel sets (unless
>>> you use the same cassette/freewheel).  I wouldn't tear apart your 700
>>> wheels.  Just start fresh with a new 650b set.  If you become 100% a
>>> convert to 650b, then you could rebuild the Phil hubs into new wheels.
>>>
>>> In terms of compatibility - are you running indexed shifting?  If you
>>> can run friction, there is massive adjust-ability - basically an effortless
>>> swap where gearing is concerned.  If you have brifters or other indexed
>>> shifting, you'll need to check on what works with specific spacing.  This
>>> will need to take into account the shifters, the cassette/freewheel and the
>>> derailleur.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:38:14 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:

 Is it possible to swap 650B and 700C wheels (and compatible brakes) on
 a bike with minimal adjustment?

 I have less than 3mm clearance all around the 700x28's I have on it now
 (picture).  The wisdom (kool-aid?) of the list has prevailed; I'm strongly
 considering getting a 650B wheelset and compatible brakes so I can run
 wider tires and fenders on my '97 Riv Road.

 I'm visiting a cool LBS soon that has a couple bikes with 650B, and
 they'll let me do a fit check.

 I'm currently running a Shimano hyperglide freewheel cogset on a Phil
 hub, with Campagnolo Racing T derailleur.  I like it; no problems and it
 rolls very smoothly.

 If I build a 650B wheel, do I have to use the same freewheel cogs?
  Like, exactly the same model?  If I put a different 7-speed freewheel, how
 much derailleur tuning would be required?  Could I put on an 8-speed
 freewheel and still use the Campy derailleur?  Lots of tuning at that 
 point?

 If there is no compatibility, I could tear apart the existing 700C
 wheels and rebuild them with 650B rims.  This keep the plush Phil hubs and
 the working cogs, but then I'm stuck with a rebuild again if I want to go
 back to 700C.

 Tim


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Re: [RBW] Riv in the Wild: Hillborne at the Assault on Mt. Mitchell/Assault on Marion

[Peter Morgano]

I know, I felt I was looking at a where's waldo book, haha.


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> Totally not seeing the Hillborne ...
>
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> On May 21, 2013, at 11:14 AM, kmcmoobud  wrote:
>
> Somewhere, mixed in the madness of this this pack of 1,000+ blinged out
> carbon frames and time obsessed riders was a Sam Hillborne.  I saw it
> there last year, too.  Way to show up!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/surlybvisits/8772912820/
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2013-05-22 at 08:43 -0500, Tim Gavin wrote:
> Thanks for the great info, folks.  
> 
> 
> Ron-  that link is for a Campy Chorus.  are you sure it's the same as
> the Racing T?  The T in Racing T is for "triple" (50/40/30 front).
> But you're right, I'm limited to 28T.  I'll have to upgrade the rear
> derailer if I want to put on wider rear gears.

You may be able to get away with a 30T.  Sheldon says every road RD
including short cage models can handle a 30, although it may be
necessary to mess with the B screw.  However, as I mentioned before, you
will be lowering your gear range by going to a smaller wheel, so if you
are happy with your current gear range you might want to look at smaller
rather than larger sprockets.


> Joe/Ian-  I'm running friction bar ends.  Shimano, I believe.  So I
> gather that they'd be flexible for any 7speed hub, but I may need to
> replace them if I step up to 8 or 9.

Some are able to friction shift hyperglide 8 and 9.  I was unsuccessful
with 8, but am happy friction shifting hyperglide 7.  YMMV.   However,
your chances of indexing Hyperglide with a Campag rear derailleur are
poor.






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[RBW] Re: Riv in the Wild: Hillborne at the Assault on Mt. Mitchell/Assault on Marion

[Leslie]

Have to admit it, I seem to like the new version;  I wasn't a paid 'Pro' 
account, but now I can get back through my older photos...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv in the Wild: Hillborne at the Assault on Mt. Mitchell/Assault on Marion

[Eric Norris]

I have a Pro account, and I'm still confused about how it differs from the new 
free account, especially since my account auto-renewed shortly before they 
announced the changes.

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On May 22, 2013, at 7:11 AM, Leslie  wrote:

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> account, but now I can get back through my older photos...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv in the Wild: Hillborne at the Assault on Mt. Mitchell/Assault on Marion

[Leslie]

I'm guessing, you may not see ads, and have a lot more space.The free 
version, I can handle ads, and it's large enough, as of yet



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> new free account, especially since my account auto-renewed shortly before 
> they announced the changes. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[Joe Bernard]

The Racing T derailer was/is (I think they still sell it with a different 
name) matched to their 13-29 cassette. 
 
My Simplex-for-Mavic Retrofriction shifters were intended for a 7-speed 
freewheel, but shift a Shimano 9 just fine. Your friction Shimanos will 
probably handle an 8.

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:06:35 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-05-22 at 08:43 -0500, Tim Gavin wrote: 
> > Thanks for the great info, folks.   
> > 
> > 
> > Ron-  that link is for a Campy Chorus.  are you sure it's the same as 
> > the Racing T?  The T in Racing T is for "triple" (50/40/30 front). 
> > But you're right, I'm limited to 28T.  I'll have to upgrade the rear 
> > derailer if I want to put on wider rear gears. 
>
> You may be able to get away with a 30T.  Sheldon says every road RD 
> including short cage models can handle a 30, although it may be 
> necessary to mess with the B screw.  However, as I mentioned before, you 
> will be lowering your gear range by going to a smaller wheel, so if you 
> are happy with your current gear range you might want to look at smaller 
> rather than larger sprockets. 
>
>
> > Joe/Ian-  I'm running friction bar ends.  Shimano, I believe.  So I 
> > gather that they'd be flexible for any 7speed hub, but I may need to 
> > replace them if I step up to 8 or 9. 
>
> Some are able to friction shift hyperglide 8 and 9.  I was unsuccessful 
> with 8, but am happy friction shifting hyperglide 7.  YMMV.   However, 
> your chances of indexing Hyperglide with a Campag rear derailleur are 
> poor. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[Ron Mc]

Thanks Tim, 
I had gone through the exercise before when I was putting a Cyclotouriste 
triple on my old bike and had to evaluate chain wrap, found Velobase to 
have all the data I needed, but they don't have your newer derailleur in 
there.  If it's made for a triple, sounds like it will have the chain wrap 
you need (long-enough cage).  So no, I didn't find the specs on your RD, 
but I think I would try to find them, and would stick to them for max rear 
cog and min front chainwheel.  

As far as the expanding number of gears goes, I just used a c. 1980 Shimano 
600EX in an 8-friction shifting application, and it works great, so I was 
happy, and I like the way it shifts.  

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:43:52 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great info, folks.  
>
> Ron-  that link is for a Campy Chorus.  are you sure it's the same as the 
> Racing T?  The T in Racing T is for "triple" (50/40/30 front).  But you're 
> right, I'm limited to 28T.  I'll have to upgrade the rear derailer if I 
> want to put on wider rear gears.
>
> Joe/Ian-  I'm running friction bar ends.  Shimano, I believe.  So I gather 
> that they'd be flexible for any 7speed hub, but I may need to replace them 
> if I step up to 8 or 9.
>
> Garth- good to know that there are some freewheel options.  
>
> I still can't find a set of 650B's to try out.  One LBS told me he had 
> some built, but it turns out they were on a MTB "27.5er" (stupid confusing 
> term).  Disc brake won't fit in my frame.
>
> I think I'm just gonna buy a cheap 650B set and try them out.  Then, if I 
> like the size, I can rebuild my Phil's into some 650B rims.  There's a 
> local mega touring Atlantis owner who said he'll build wheels for beer.
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Ron Mc  >wrote:
>
>> Chain wrap is the key on use of your Campy Racing T derailleur with wider 
>> gears.  You may be limited to 26T rear, and it certainly won't go over 28T. 
>>  
>>
>> http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=D667E8E0-9581-449F-9E24-7FC59D975684&Enum=108&AbsPos=27
>>   
>> Also, a short RD will not let you use a triple crankset, because there is 
>> no place to put the chain from the small chainring.  
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:35:54 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, I spaced bad on that one. Yes, he'll need matching 
>>> shifters/derailers for indexing. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:41:12 AM UTC-7, IanA wrote:
>>>
 You could use a cassette hub or a freewheel hub providing it is 
 compatible with the frame spacing (probably 130mm on the rear axle).

 Typically, you'll put a new chain on when swapping wheel sets (unless 
 you use the same cassette/freewheel).  I wouldn't tear apart your 700 
 wheels.  Just start fresh with a new 650b set.  If you become 100% a 
 convert to 650b, then you could rebuild the Phil hubs into new wheels.  

 In terms of compatibility - are you running indexed shifting?  If you 
 can run friction, there is massive adjust-ability - basically an 
 effortless 
 swap where gearing is concerned.  If you have brifters or other indexed 
 shifting, you'll need to check on what works with specific spacing.  This 
 will need to take into account the shifters, the cassette/freewheel and 
 the 
 derailleur.  



 On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:38:14 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Is it possible to swap 650B and 700C wheels (and compatible brakes) on 
> a bike with minimal adjustment?
>
> I have less than 3mm clearance all around the 700x28's I have on it 
> now (picture).  The wisdom (kool-aid?) of the list has prevailed; I'm 
> strongly considering getting a 650B wheelset and compatible brakes so I 
> can 
> run wider tires and fenders on my '97 Riv Road.
>
> I'm visiting a cool LBS soon that has a couple bikes with 650B, and 
> they'll let me do a fit check.
>
> I'm currently running a Shimano hyperglide freewheel cogset on a Phil 
> hub, with Campagnolo Racing T derailleur.  I like it; no problems and it 
> rolls very smoothly.
>
> If I build a 650B wheel, do I have to use the same freewheel cogs? 
>  Like, exactly the same model?  If I put a different 7-speed freewheel, 
> how 
> much derailleur tuning would be required?  Could I put on an 8-speed 
> freewheel and still use the Campy derailleur?  Lots of tuning at that 
> point?
>
> If there is no compatibility, I could tear apart the existing 700C 
> wheels and rebuild them with 650B rims.  This keep the plush Phil hubs 
> and 
> the working cogs, but then I'm stuck with a rebuild again if I want to go 
> back to 700C.
>
> Tim
>  
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork Grips (x2 pair)

[Ron Mc]

FWIW, the Dimension cork grips are "beaver cork" - chips held together in 
resin.  (even though they call them 100% cork).  I'm sure after you shellac 
them, they would feel just great and hold together fine.  I put Miesha's 
grips on my daughter's bike - they're made from fine cork rings, like the 
grip of a nice fly rod.  They're cozy and stunning, both.  

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:25:06 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
>
> Not sure if this helps but Dimension makes cork grips. Before RBW sold the 
> Miesha's grips, they sold a grip like this and folks had to modify them to 
> accommodate bar-end shifters. If I remember correctly, there was an article 
> in the Riv Reader or one of the catalogs about how to do this. Perhaps 
> others will chime in. Anyway, you can get the Dimension grips through 
> Universal Cycles. Or maybe even a local bike shop?
>
>
> http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=23901&category=1682
>
> Good luck!
>
> --mike
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:41:28 AM UTC-7, Jay B wrote:
>>
>> Howdy folks,
>>
>> I went to place an order with RBW the other day, and according to Spencer 
>> they are out of the cork grips until the end of May/beginning of June.  We 
>> are leaving for an adventure early June, and I had planned on having these 
>> installed on the Bleriot and Betty Foy by then.  I wish I could say this is 
>> the first time I've waited until the last minute to order needed trip gear. 
>>  Doh!
>>
>> Does anyone have a pair or two they could part with (1 pair regular & 1 
>> pair bar end style OR 2 pair regular style).  I'm happy to paypal for these 
>> or get you a gift certificate from RBW for their replacement.  
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Jay B.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[IanA]

As you are running friction bar ends, you'll be able to shift 8 and 9 speed 
cassettes.  Even the 7 speed Shimano bar con has an extra bit of pull at 
the top allowing you to run an 8 speed indexed system (if a Shimano 
cassette).  I'm 99% positive that you will easily be able to shift 9 speed 
in friction mode.  I'd go 8 speed - my favourite set-up for general gearing 
is a triple 48/38/28 to an 8 speed cassette - 12T thru 28T.  Nice even 
steps.  It sounds like you only need to new brakes, wheels and cassette, 
chain and a bit of adjustment tuning.  

http://www.campyonly.com/images/catalogs/1998/1998_tech_specs.pdf page 16 
has your specs for the RD Racing T.  37 tooth capacity/28 T max.  

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:43:52 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great info, folks.  
>
> Ron-  that link is for a Campy Chorus.  are you sure it's the same as the 
> Racing T?  The T in Racing T is for "triple" (50/40/30 front).  But you're 
> right, I'm limited to 28T.  I'll have to upgrade the rear derailer if I 
> want to put on wider rear gears.
>
> Joe/Ian-  I'm running friction bar ends.  Shimano, I believe.  So I gather 
> that they'd be flexible for any 7speed hub, but I may need to replace them 
> if I step up to 8 or 9.
>
> Garth- good to know that there are some freewheel options.  
>
> I still can't find a set of 650B's to try out.  One LBS told me he had 
> some built, but it turns out they were on a MTB "27.5er" (stupid confusing 
> term).  Disc brake won't fit in my frame.
>
> I think I'm just gonna buy a cheap 650B set and try them out.  Then, if I 
> like the size, I can rebuild my Phil's into some 650B rims.  There's a 
> local mega touring Atlantis owner who said he'll build wheels for beer.
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Ron Mc  >wrote:
>
>> Chain wrap is the key on use of your Campy Racing T derailleur with wider 
>> gears.  You may be limited to 26T rear, and it certainly won't go over 28T. 
>>  
>>
>> http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=D667E8E0-9581-449F-9E24-7FC59D975684&Enum=108&AbsPos=27
>>   
>> Also, a short RD will not let you use a triple crankset, because there is 
>> no place to put the chain from the small chainring.  
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:35:54 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, I spaced bad on that one. Yes, he'll need matching 
>>> shifters/derailers for indexing. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:41:12 AM UTC-7, IanA wrote:
>>>
 You could use a cassette hub or a freewheel hub providing it is 
 compatible with the frame spacing (probably 130mm on the rear axle).

 Typically, you'll put a new chain on when swapping wheel sets (unless 
 you use the same cassette/freewheel).  I wouldn't tear apart your 700 
 wheels.  Just start fresh with a new 650b set.  If you become 100% a 
 convert to 650b, then you could rebuild the Phil hubs into new wheels.  

 In terms of compatibility - are you running indexed shifting?  If you 
 can run friction, there is massive adjust-ability - basically an 
 effortless 
 swap where gearing is concerned.  If you have brifters or other indexed 
 shifting, you'll need to check on what works with specific spacing.  This 
 will need to take into account the shifters, the cassette/freewheel and 
 the 
 derailleur.  



 On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:38:14 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Is it possible to swap 650B and 700C wheels (and compatible brakes) on 
> a bike with minimal adjustment?
>
> I have less than 3mm clearance all around the 700x28's I have on it 
> now (picture).  The wisdom (kool-aid?) of the list has prevailed; I'm 
> strongly considering getting a 650B wheelset and compatible brakes so I 
> can 
> run wider tires and fenders on my '97 Riv Road.
>
> I'm visiting a cool LBS soon that has a couple bikes with 650B, and 
> they'll let me do a fit check.
>
> I'm currently running a Shimano hyperglide freewheel cogset on a Phil 
> hub, with Campagnolo Racing T derailleur.  I like it; no problems and it 
> rolls very smoothly.
>
> If I build a 650B wheel, do I have to use the same freewheel cogs? 
>  Like, exactly the same model?  If I put a different 7-speed freewheel, 
> how 
> much derailleur tuning would be required?  Could I put on an 8-speed 
> freewheel and still use the Campy derailleur?  Lots of tuning at that 
> point?
>
> If there is no compatibility, I could tear apart the existing 700C 
> wheels and rebuild them with 650B rims.  This keep the plush Phil hubs 
> and 
> the working cogs, but then I'm stuck with a rebuild again if I want to go 
> back to 700C.
>
> Tim
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[PATRICK MOORE]

If you are not hugely sloppy, you can shift 9 easily with friction
shifters. My bar end Silvers shift 9 wonderfully, and it's a home-brew with
the ramps mis-aligned, and I had the same results with a similar home-brew
with SunTour Bar Cons. I've shifted stock 10s (ramps aligned: Am Classic
11-23 and Shimano 12-27) with Retrofriction down tubers.

Hell, I get better results with the friction Silver/9 than with the 7400
Dura Ace 7 indexing.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

[Scot Brooks]

I can pick up someone as well. I've got a two-bike rack on the back of my 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[Mike Schiller]

I run a 11- 30t 8 speed XTR cassette using a Campy triple rear derailleur. 
 Shifting is handled with a Simplex retro-friction levers and a  9 speed 
 Record chain.  Has worked great over a few thousand miles.

~mike

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:28:59 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The Racing T derailer was/is (I think they still sell it with a different 
> name) matched to their 13-29 cassette. 
>  
> My Simplex-for-Mavic Retrofriction shifters were intended for a 7-speed 
> freewheel, but shift a Shimano 9 just fine. Your friction Shimanos will 
> probably handle an 8.
>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[Ron Mc]

Ian, how did you find that link?  that is the most disorganized website I 
have ever stumbled around in the dark in

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:44:51 AM UTC-5, IanA wrote:
>
> As you are running friction bar ends, you'll be able to shift 8 and 9 
> speed cassettes.  Even the 7 speed Shimano bar con has an extra bit of pull 
> at the top allowing you to run an 8 speed indexed system (if a Shimano 
> cassette).  I'm 99% positive that you will easily be able to shift 9 speed 
> in friction mode.  I'd go 8 speed - my favourite set-up for general gearing 
> is a triple 48/38/28 to an 8 speed cassette - 12T thru 28T.  Nice even 
> steps.  It sounds like you only need to new brakes, wheels and cassette, 
> chain and a bit of adjustment tuning.  
>
> http://www.campyonly.com/images/catalogs/1998/1998_tech_specs.pdf page 16 
> has your specs for the RD Racing T.  37 tooth capacity/28 T max.  
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:43:52 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the great info, folks.  
>>
>> Ron-  that link is for a Campy Chorus.  are you sure it's the same as the 
>> Racing T?  The T in Racing T is for "triple" (50/40/30 front).  But you're 
>> right, I'm limited to 28T.  I'll have to upgrade the rear derailer if I 
>> want to put on wider rear gears.
>>
>> Joe/Ian-  I'm running friction bar ends.  Shimano, I believe.  So I 
>> gather that they'd be flexible for any 7speed hub, but I may need to 
>> replace them if I step up to 8 or 9.
>>
>> Garth- good to know that there are some freewheel options.  
>>
>> I still can't find a set of 650B's to try out.  One LBS told me he had 
>> some built, but it turns out they were on a MTB "27.5er" (stupid confusing 
>> term).  Disc brake won't fit in my frame.
>>
>> I think I'm just gonna buy a cheap 650B set and try them out.  Then, if I 
>> like the size, I can rebuild my Phil's into some 650B rims.  There's a 
>> local mega touring Atlantis owner who said he'll build wheels for beer.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> Chain wrap is the key on use of your Campy Racing T derailleur with 
>>> wider gears.  You may be limited to 26T rear, and it certainly won't go 
>>> over 28T.  
>>>
>>> http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=D667E8E0-9581-449F-9E24-7FC59D975684&Enum=108&AbsPos=27
>>>   
>>> Also, a short RD will not let you use a triple crankset, because there 
>>> is no place to put the chain from the small chainring.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:35:54 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Wow, I spaced bad on that one. Yes, he'll need matching 
 shifters/derailers for indexing. 

 On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:41:12 AM UTC-7, IanA wrote:

> You could use a cassette hub or a freewheel hub providing it is 
> compatible with the frame spacing (probably 130mm on the rear axle).
>
> Typically, you'll put a new chain on when swapping wheel sets (unless 
> you use the same cassette/freewheel).  I wouldn't tear apart your 700 
> wheels.  Just start fresh with a new 650b set.  If you become 100% a 
> convert to 650b, then you could rebuild the Phil hubs into new wheels.  
>
> In terms of compatibility - are you running indexed shifting?  If you 
> can run friction, there is massive adjust-ability - basically an 
> effortless 
> swap where gearing is concerned.  If you have brifters or other indexed 
> shifting, you'll need to check on what works with specific spacing.  This 
> will need to take into account the shifters, the cassette/freewheel and 
> the 
> derailleur.  
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:38:14 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible to swap 650B and 700C wheels (and compatible brakes) 
>> on a bike with minimal adjustment?
>>
>> I have less than 3mm clearance all around the 700x28's I have on it 
>> now (picture).  The wisdom (kool-aid?) of the list has prevailed; I'm 
>> strongly considering getting a 650B wheelset and compatible brakes so I 
>> can 
>> run wider tires and fenders on my '97 Riv Road.
>>
>> I'm visiting a cool LBS soon that has a couple bikes with 650B, and 
>> they'll let me do a fit check.
>>
>> I'm currently running a Shimano hyperglide freewheel cogset on a Phil 
>> hub, with Campagnolo Racing T derailleur.  I like it; no problems and it 
>> rolls very smoothly.
>>
>> If I build a 650B wheel, do I have to use the same freewheel cogs? 
>>  Like, exactly the same model?  If I put a different 7-speed freewheel, 
>> how 
>> much derailleur tuning would be required?  Could I put on an 8-speed 
>> freewheel and still use the Campy derailleur?  Lots of tuning at that 
>> point?
>>
>> If there is no compatibility, I could tear apart the existing 700C 
>> wheels and rebuild them with 650B rims.  This keep the plush Phil hubs 
>> and 
>> the working cogs, but then I'm stuck with

Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[Tim Gavin]

I found that link as well, Ron.  It showed up in a google search; I didn't
start at the Campyonly site.


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Ian, how did you find that link?  that is the most disorganized website I
> have ever stumbled around in the dark in
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:44:51 AM UTC-5, IanA wrote:
>>
>> As you are running friction bar ends, you'll be able to shift 8 and 9
>> speed cassettes.  Even the 7 speed Shimano bar con has an extra bit of pull
>> at the top allowing you to run an 8 speed indexed system (if a Shimano
>> cassette).  I'm 99% positive that you will easily be able to shift 9 speed
>> in friction mode.  I'd go 8 speed - my favourite set-up for general gearing
>> is a triple 48/38/28 to an 8 speed cassette - 12T thru 28T.  Nice even
>> steps.  It sounds like you only need to new brakes, wheels and cassette,
>> chain and a bit of adjustment tuning.
>>
>> http://www.campyonly.com/**images/catalogs/1998/1998_**tech_specs.pdf
>>  page
>> 16 has your specs for the RD Racing T.  37 tooth capacity/28 T max.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:43:52 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the great info, folks.
>>>
>>> Ron-  that link is for a Campy Chorus.  are you sure it's the same as
>>> the Racing T?  The T in Racing T is for "triple" (50/40/30 front).  But
>>> you're right, I'm limited to 28T.  I'll have to upgrade the rear derailer
>>> if I want to put on wider rear gears.
>>>
>>> Joe/Ian-  I'm running friction bar ends.  Shimano, I believe.  So I
>>> gather that they'd be flexible for any 7speed hub, but I may need to
>>> replace them if I step up to 8 or 9.
>>>
>>> Garth- good to know that there are some freewheel options.
>>>
>>> I still can't find a set of 650B's to try out.  One LBS told me he had
>>> some built, but it turns out they were on a MTB "27.5er" (stupid confusing
>>> term).  Disc brake won't fit in my frame.
>>>
>>> I think I'm just gonna buy a cheap 650B set and try them out.  Then, if
>>> I like the size, I can rebuild my Phil's into some 650B rims.  There's a
>>> local mega touring Atlantis owner who said he'll build wheels for beer.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>
 Chain wrap is the key on use of your Campy Racing T derailleur with
 wider gears.  You may be limited to 26T rear, and it certainly won't go
 over 28T.
 http://velobase.com/**ViewComponent.aspx?ID=**D667E8E0-9581-449F-9E24-*
 *7FC59D975684&Enum=108&AbsPos=**27

 Also, a short RD will not let you use a triple crankset, because there
 is no place to put the chain from the small chainring.


 On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:35:54 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Wow, I spaced bad on that one. Yes, he'll need matching
> shifters/derailers for indexing.
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:41:12 AM UTC-7, IanA wrote:
>
>> You could use a cassette hub or a freewheel hub providing it is
>> compatible with the frame spacing (probably 130mm on the rear axle).
>>
>> Typically, you'll put a new chain on when swapping wheel sets (unless
>> you use the same cassette/freewheel).  I wouldn't tear apart your 700
>> wheels.  Just start fresh with a new 650b set.  If you become 100% a
>> convert to 650b, then you could rebuild the Phil hubs into new wheels.
>>
>> In terms of compatibility - are you running indexed shifting?  If you
>> can run friction, there is massive adjust-ability - basically an 
>> effortless
>> swap where gearing is concerned.  If you have brifters or other indexed
>> shifting, you'll need to check on what works with specific spacing.  This
>> will need to take into account the shifters, the cassette/freewheel and 
>> the
>> derailleur.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:38:14 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it possible to swap 650B and 700C wheels (and compatible brakes)
>>> on a bike with minimal adjustment?
>>>
>>> I have less than 3mm clearance all around the 700x28's I have on it
>>> now (picture).  The wisdom (kool-aid?) of the list has prevailed; I'm
>>> strongly considering getting a 650B wheelset and compatible brakes so I 
>>> can
>>> run wider tires and fenders on my '97 Riv Road.
>>>
>>> I'm visiting a cool LBS soon that has a couple bikes with 650B, and
>>> they'll let me do a fit check.
>>>
>>> I'm currently running a Shimano hyperglide freewheel cogset on a
>>> Phil hub, with Campagnolo Racing T derailleur.  I like it; no problems 
>>> and
>>> it rolls very smoothly.
>>>
>>> If I build a 650B wheel, do I have to use the same freewheel cogs?
>>>  Like, exactly the same model?  If I put a different 7-speed freewheel, 
>>> h

[RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

We've got a side email going around the Portland crew. Sounds like 2 of us 
are thinking train. Waiting to see what the rest of our contingent is up to 
before buying tickets. 

Stay tuned...

--Smitty 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Conversion -- freewheel compatibility?

[IanA]

Just Google'd Campagnolo Racing T rear derailleur and it was the second hit.

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32:59 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Ian, how did you find that link?  that is the most disorganized website I 
> have ever stumbled around in the dark in
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:44:51 AM UTC-5, IanA wrote:
>>
>> As you are running friction bar ends, you'll be able to shift 8 and 9 
>> speed cassettes.  Even the 7 speed Shimano bar con has an extra bit of pull 
>> at the top allowing you to run an 8 speed indexed system (if a Shimano 
>> cassette).  I'm 99% positive that you will easily be able to shift 9 speed 
>> in friction mode.  I'd go 8 speed - my favourite set-up for general gearing 
>> is a triple 48/38/28 to an 8 speed cassette - 12T thru 28T.  Nice even 
>> steps.  It sounds like you only need to new brakes, wheels and cassette, 
>> chain and a bit of adjustment tuning.  
>>
>> http://www.campyonly.com/images/catalogs/1998/1998_tech_specs.pdf page 
>> 16 has your specs for the RD Racing T.  37 tooth capacity/28 T max.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:43:52 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the great info, folks.  
>>>
>>> Ron-  that link is for a Campy Chorus.  are you sure it's the same as 
>>> the Racing T?  The T in Racing T is for "triple" (50/40/30 front).  But 
>>> you're right, I'm limited to 28T.  I'll have to upgrade the rear derailer 
>>> if I want to put on wider rear gears.
>>>
>>> Joe/Ian-  I'm running friction bar ends.  Shimano, I believe.  So I 
>>> gather that they'd be flexible for any 7speed hub, but I may need to 
>>> replace them if I step up to 8 or 9.
>>>
>>> Garth- good to know that there are some freewheel options.  
>>>
>>> I still can't find a set of 650B's to try out.  One LBS told me he had 
>>> some built, but it turns out they were on a MTB "27.5er" (stupid confusing 
>>> term).  Disc brake won't fit in my frame.
>>>
>>> I think I'm just gonna buy a cheap 650B set and try them out.  Then, if 
>>> I like the size, I can rebuild my Phil's into some 650B rims.  There's a 
>>> local mega touring Atlantis owner who said he'll build wheels for beer.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>
 Chain wrap is the key on use of your Campy Racing T derailleur with 
 wider gears.  You may be limited to 26T rear, and it certainly won't go 
 over 28T.  

 http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=D667E8E0-9581-449F-9E24-7FC59D975684&Enum=108&AbsPos=27
   
 Also, a short RD will not let you use a triple crankset, because there 
 is no place to put the chain from the small chainring.  


 On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:35:54 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Wow, I spaced bad on that one. Yes, he'll need matching 
> shifters/derailers for indexing. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:41:12 AM UTC-7, IanA wrote:
>
>> You could use a cassette hub or a freewheel hub providing it is 
>> compatible with the frame spacing (probably 130mm on the rear axle).
>>
>> Typically, you'll put a new chain on when swapping wheel sets (unless 
>> you use the same cassette/freewheel).  I wouldn't tear apart your 700 
>> wheels.  Just start fresh with a new 650b set.  If you become 100% a 
>> convert to 650b, then you could rebuild the Phil hubs into new wheels.  
>>
>> In terms of compatibility - are you running indexed shifting?  If you 
>> can run friction, there is massive adjust-ability - basically an 
>> effortless 
>> swap where gearing is concerned.  If you have brifters or other indexed 
>> shifting, you'll need to check on what works with specific spacing.  
>> This 
>> will need to take into account the shifters, the cassette/freewheel and 
>> the 
>> derailleur.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:38:14 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it possible to swap 650B and 700C wheels (and compatible brakes) 
>>> on a bike with minimal adjustment?
>>>
>>> I have less than 3mm clearance all around the 700x28's I have on it 
>>> now (picture).  The wisdom (kool-aid?) of the list has prevailed; I'm 
>>> strongly considering getting a 650B wheelset and compatible brakes so I 
>>> can 
>>> run wider tires and fenders on my '97 Riv Road.
>>>
>>> I'm visiting a cool LBS soon that has a couple bikes with 650B, and 
>>> they'll let me do a fit check.
>>>
>>> I'm currently running a Shimano hyperglide freewheel cogset on a 
>>> Phil hub, with Campagnolo Racing T derailleur.  I like it; no problems 
>>> and 
>>> it rolls very smoothly.
>>>
>>> If I build a 650B wheel, do I have to use the same freewheel cogs? 
>>>  Like, exactly the same model?  If I put a different 7-speed freewheel, 
>>> how 
>>> much derailleur tuning would be required?  Could I put on an 8-speed 
>>> freewheel and still use the Campy derailleur

[RBW] Re: WTB: Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork Grips (x2 pair)

[Stephen S]

I was at the RBWHQ and they had some (non bar-end style) in a bin in their 
"Discount" section. I believe they were damaged a little bit but give them 
a call and see if they are still available. 

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:41:28 AM UTC-7, Jay B wrote:
>
> Howdy folks,
>
> I went to place an order with RBW the other day, and according to Spencer 
> they are out of the cork grips until the end of May/beginning of June.  We 
> are leaving for an adventure early June, and I had planned on having these 
> installed on the Bleriot and Betty Foy by then.  I wish I could say this is 
> the first time I've waited until the last minute to order needed trip gear. 
>  Doh!
>
> Does anyone have a pair or two they could part with (1 pair regular & 1 
> pair bar end style OR 2 pair regular style).  I'm happy to paypal for these 
> or get you a gift certificate from RBW for their replacement.  
>
> Thanks,
> -Jay B.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork Grips (x2 pair)

[Joe Bunik]

I believe the basket of grips in the garage sale corner are all the
earlier, full-length-Miesha type but with primitive end-holes for
barends carved out. I.e. they don't have the cable routing/twining
channels. Also with some imperfections/cracking.

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA


On 5/22/13, Stephen S  wrote:
> I was at the RBWHQ and they had some (non bar-end style) in a bin in their
> "Discount" section. I believe they were damaged a little bit but give them
> a call and see if they are still available.
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:41:28 AM UTC-7, Jay B wrote:
>>
>> Howdy folks,
>>
>> I went to place an order with RBW the other day, and according to Spencer
>>
>> they are out of the cork grips until the end of May/beginning of June.  We
>>
>> are leaving for an adventure early June, and I had planned on having these
>>
>> installed on the Bleriot and Betty Foy by then.  I wish I could say this
>> is
>> the first time I've waited until the last minute to order needed trip
>> gear.
>>  Doh!
>>
>> Does anyone have a pair or two they could part with (1 pair regular & 1
>> pair bar end style OR 2 pair regular style).  I'm happy to paypal for
>> these
>> or get you a gift certificate from RBW for their replacement.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Jay B.
>>
>
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[RBW] FS: Phil Wood SS (fixed-free) Rear Wheel

[jar351]

Price drop! How about $175 shipped/$150 local pickup? Anyone?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

[Christopher Chen]

So is there any interest in renting a van or truck for the weekend? I'd
gladly pitch in generously for it.

I'd even gladly drive out there from PDX.

I'd love to ride back to Centralia and take the train at the end, however.

cc
On May 21, 2013 8:16 PM, "charlie"  wrote:

> Wouldn't mind picking one person up as I have a tiny Suzuki Swift similar
> to aGeo Metro but I have a two bike, bike rack.so my bike and one other.
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:05:34 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> I think our best bet is to meet/camp at the North Fork CG off of FS Road
>> 23 
>> (here)
>> .
>>
>> It looks like the CG is wide open. I'd be happy to make a reservation (I
>> can look into the group site but we may not have enough people to make it
>> cost effective) but I imagine we could just show up and get sites. Then for
>> a ride we could out-n-back as far up the valley as possible (up to snow).
>> From the N Fork CG we have what looks like 2 good options... the main road
>> (FS 23) along the main trunk of the Cispus River or Road 22 along the North
>> Fork Cispus River.
>>
>> Maybe plan to roll out of the CG for the Rumble Ride shortly after noon?
>>
>> There was talk amongst some PDXers of taking the Amtrak to Centralia.
>> Wondering if Brian or Charlie (or anyone else) might be
>> willing/able/interested to assist with rides from the train station in
>> Centralia to the CG? The first train Saturday morning gets to Centralia at
>> 10am. If not, we're looking into other options too. Just putting out
>> feelers and exploring options.
>>
>> --Andy
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[RBW] Re: Portland Country Ride

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Vernonia to Scapoose looks great. Sign me up. 

--Smitty 


On Monday, May 20, 2013 4:32:53 PM UTC-7, Allan in Portland wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> A buddy is getting married this summer so for a bachelor's party we did a 
> S36O to Vernonia for karaoke. The last time I did that ride was 9 or 10 
> years ago. Then the Banks-Vernonia trail was 3 miles of broken asphalt 
> overgrown with so many blackberries as to be unrideable. Now, it is 30 
> miles of new pavement. I'd read about it many times, but hadn't actually 
> ridden the new version for myself until this weekend. For the return there 
> are old timber roads connecting Vernonia with Scappose, so another 30 miles 
> of off-highway riding. All in all, a spectacular and long overdue weekend.
>
> I, personally, didn't bring a camera, but there is proof it happened:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeportland/8757055994/in/set-72157633524674463/
>
> There's Riv activewear, but alas no bikes this time. There is a Waterford. 
> And a Miyata. And maybe a Japanese Schwinn, not an expert on them myself.
>
> Cheers & Happy Summer Camping,
> -Allan
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork Grips (x2 pair)

[Jay B]

Thanks everybody!  2 pairs located.  

-Jay B

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[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Doug M]

I'll be driving from St Paul to Preston on Friday afternoon and riding from 
there to Forestville to camp for the night.  I'll break camp Sunday AM and 
ride back to Preston to drop off the camping gear and ride for the day.  
Returning to St Paul late Sunday afternoon when the rally is over.  I have 
room for one other bike, rider and their gear if anyone is interested.
 
On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:44:23 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

> I want to offer a bit of detail about what this year's country bike rally 
> participants can expect. 
>
> We will be following the general course, if not the exact route, of the 
> Almanzo 100, over two days of riding. Almanzo cue sheets, last I checked, 
> were available for download. The Almanzo course is mostly gravel, which can 
> be highly variable between smooth and pavement-like to gnarly loose gravel 
> with potholes. The terrain is quite hilly by Midwestern standards, but 
> splitting the route into 2 days and taking a leisurely pace should make it 
> less of an ordeal. Weather, as always, will be a factor. It's certain that 
> bikes will get dirty, and possible that rocks will chip the paint. That's 
> life. 
>
> We will ride as a group and regroup as needed when we get separated by 
> hills or whatever. That said, this is a "ride at your own risk" situation. 
> Any participant is free to "opt out" for any reason, but there is no 
> support car to pick you up if that happens. Hopefully we can support each 
> other and all have a good ride without incident. But stuff happens, and 
> every rider should accept the inherent risks and have some kind of backup 
> plan. 
>
> We will pass through a couple small towns where we may be able to eat in 
> cafes and get groceries. But for the most part, plan to have the day's 
> food/water on the bike. 
>
> Any other questions? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: First Aid Kits

[Liesl]

Last August when I went down in gravel and really jaggedly cut up my elbow 
(9 spaced out stitches), all I had to temporarily bandage it was a neoprene 
seat cover held in place with an Irish strap! Ya gotta love those Irish 
straps.

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[RBW] WTB: 48cm Hunqapillar or 53cm Atlantis

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi All,
I've got a great set of 26" wheels from an RBW lister, so I'm looking for a 
48cm Hunqapillar or 53cm Atlantis to put them to good use. 
Frame/Fork/Headset preferred, but I'd consider a complete bike, too. 
Contact me off list with price and condition.

Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork Grips (x2 pair)

[Michael]

>
> So RBW sells pre-drilled out ends for use with bar ends?
>
 
I thought you had to cut em off yerself? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork Grips (x2 pair)

[Joe Bunik]

these:
http://tinyurl.com/q2k2pun

here:
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/gt5.htm


On 5/22/13, Michael  wrote:
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>>
>> So RBW sells pre-drilled out ends for use with bar ends?
>>
>
> I thought you had to cut em off yerself?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Shaun Meehan]

Are we going to forge the the ice-cold, waist-deep and treacherous Root
River with its sweeping current, where the bridge is out near Preston? Are
will we circumnavigate?



On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Doug M  wrote:

> I'll be driving from St Paul to Preston on Friday afternoon and riding
> from there to Forestville to camp for the night.  I'll break camp Sunday AM
> and ride back to Preston to drop off the camping gear and ride for the
> day.  Returning to St Paul late Sunday afternoon when the rally is over.  I
> have room for one other bike, rider and their gear if anyone is interested.
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:44:23 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> wrote:
>
>> I want to offer a bit of detail about what this year's country bike rally
>> participants can expect.
>>
>> We will be following the general course, if not the exact route, of the
>> Almanzo 100, over two days of riding. Almanzo cue sheets, last I checked,
>> were available for download. The Almanzo course is mostly gravel, which can
>> be highly variable between smooth and pavement-like to gnarly loose gravel
>> with potholes. The terrain is quite hilly by Midwestern standards, but
>> splitting the route into 2 days and taking a leisurely pace should make it
>> less of an ordeal. Weather, as always, will be a factor. It's certain that
>> bikes will get dirty, and possible that rocks will chip the paint. That's
>> life.
>>
>> We will ride as a group and regroup as needed when we get separated by
>> hills or whatever. That said, this is a "ride at your own risk" situation.
>> Any participant is free to "opt out" for any reason, but there is no
>> support car to pick you up if that happens. Hopefully we can support each
>> other and all have a good ride without incident. But stuff happens, and
>> every rider should accept the inherent risks and have some kind of backup
>> plan.
>>
>> We will pass through a couple small towns where we may be able to eat in
>> cafes and get groceries. But for the most part, plan to have the day's
>> food/water on the bike.
>>
>> Any other questions?
>>
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[RBW] Installing Cork grips for bar ends tip needed please...

[Michael]

I just wanna do a temp install without glueing them on til I determine the 
right stem length.
 
Possible? Or will they not stay on themselves without glue?
Will they not come back off easily like a rubber bar end does with alcohol?
 
If not, I'll just pad and tape wrap the bars until I know I got a keeper 
stem.

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[RBW] Norfolk NE. Cowboy trail

[Kelly]

8 or nine of us are doing an out and back on the Cowboy Trail June 1st.   If 
you live in the area we would love to meet you.  

Or you could just ride with us :)

Happy Trails

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I prefer to leave the decision on river fording to the group. None of us is 
as stupid as all of us!

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:01:27 PM UTC-5, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Are we going to forge the the ice-cold, waist-deep and treacherous Root 
> River with its sweeping current, where the bridge is out near Preston? Are 
> will we circumnavigate?
>  
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Doug M  >wrote:
>
>> I'll be driving from St Paul to Preston on Friday afternoon and riding 
>> from there to Forestville to camp for the night.  I'll break camp Sunday AM 
>> and ride back to Preston to drop off the camping gear and ride for the 
>> day.  Returning to St Paul late Sunday afternoon when the rally is over.  I 
>> have room for one other bike, rider and their gear if anyone is interested.
>>   
>> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:44:23 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to offer a bit of detail about what this year's country bike 
>>> rally participants can expect. 
>>>
>>> We will be following the general course, if not the exact route, of the 
>>> Almanzo 100, over two days of riding. Almanzo cue sheets, last I checked, 
>>> were available for download. The Almanzo course is mostly gravel, which can 
>>> be highly variable between smooth and pavement-like to gnarly loose gravel 
>>> with potholes. The terrain is quite hilly by Midwestern standards, but 
>>> splitting the route into 2 days and taking a leisurely pace should make it 
>>> less of an ordeal. Weather, as always, will be a factor. It's certain that 
>>> bikes will get dirty, and possible that rocks will chip the paint. That's 
>>> life. 
>>>
>>> We will ride as a group and regroup as needed when we get separated by 
>>> hills or whatever. That said, this is a "ride at your own risk" situation. 
>>> Any participant is free to "opt out" for any reason, but there is no 
>>> support car to pick you up if that happens. Hopefully we can support each 
>>> other and all have a good ride without incident. But stuff happens, and 
>>> every rider should accept the inherent risks and have some kind of backup 
>>> plan. 
>>>
>>> We will pass through a couple small towns where we may be able to eat in 
>>> cafes and get groceries. But for the most part, plan to have the day's 
>>> food/water on the bike. 
>>>
>>> Any other questions? 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Installing Cork grips for bar ends tip needed please...

[Nick Worthington]

The bar-ends should keep them from slipping off, and you can snug the brake 
levers up aginst them to stop them sliding forward.  They will still rotate 
on the bars, but you could try maskng tape underneath them to reduce that.
 
Nick W

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:02:55 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

> I just wanna do a temp install without glueing them on til I determine the 
> right stem length.
>  
> Possible? Or will they not stay on themselves without glue?
> Will they not come back off easily like a rubber bar end does with alcohol?
>  
> If not, I'll just pad and tape wrap the bars until I know I got a keeper 
> stem.
>

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[RBW] Re: Arguably on/off topic: interesting video

[Ryan]

Loved the soundtrack and the interviews w Joe Breeze and Charley 
Kelly...also watching the wheel building segment. Even though it would not 
necessarily be my ideal bike, it was hard not to be charmed by his 
enthusiasm and excitementoh...liked the Brooks and Continental segments 
too

On Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:59:44 AM UTC-5, velomann wrote:
>
> Haven't seen this yet, but have heard of it. If it's the same story I know 
> of, it's based on the book *It's All About the Bike* (Not to be confused 
> with Lance A's similarly titled book). I agree that he didn't end up with 
> exactly the same bikeI would have chosen, but I found it a really 
> fascinating read, and his visits with the people at Brooks, Cinelli, Chris 
> King, and extensive conversations with the Framebuilder were good reading.
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:31:35 AM UTC-7, Norman R wrote:
>>
>> This BBC video called "Ride of My Life-the story of the bicycle"  on 
>> youtube is about one person traveling around to buy components to build his 
>> perfect bicycle.  I found it very interesting, though his perfect bicycle 
>> would be different from mine.  Lots of good interviews, quotes, and 
>> historical footage.  It's about an hour long.  
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZtHFxIs6so
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Re: [RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Shaun Meehan]

Damn! I was deliberately trying to make it sound extra dicey with the hope
that you would answer "of course we're crossing at the bridge site". This
would give participants something to anticipate with a bit of trepidation.
Myself included! I was think we could send the Weasel across first with a
line that he could secure on the other side for the rest of us to hang
onto. Sort of like a bicycle Sherpa.


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I prefer to leave the decision on river fording to the group. None of us
> is as stupid as all of us!
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:01:27 PM UTC-5, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Are we going to forge the the ice-cold, waist-deep and treacherous Root
>> River with its sweeping current, where the bridge is out near Preston? Are
>> will we circumnavigate?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Doug M  wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be driving from St Paul to Preston on Friday afternoon and riding
>>> from there to Forestville to camp for the night.  I'll break camp Sunday AM
>>> and ride back to Preston to drop off the camping gear and ride for the
>>> day.  Returning to St Paul late Sunday afternoon when the rally is over.  I
>>> have room for one other bike, rider and their gear if anyone is interested.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:44:23 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I want to offer a bit of detail about what this year's country bike
 rally participants can expect.

 We will be following the general course, if not the exact route, of the
 Almanzo 100, over two days of riding. Almanzo cue sheets, last I checked,
 were available for download. The Almanzo course is mostly gravel, which can
 be highly variable between smooth and pavement-like to gnarly loose gravel
 with potholes. The terrain is quite hilly by Midwestern standards, but
 splitting the route into 2 days and taking a leisurely pace should make it
 less of an ordeal. Weather, as always, will be a factor. It's certain that
 bikes will get dirty, and possible that rocks will chip the paint. That's
 life.

 We will ride as a group and regroup as needed when we get separated by
 hills or whatever. That said, this is a "ride at your own risk" situation.
 Any participant is free to "opt out" for any reason, but there is no
 support car to pick you up if that happens. Hopefully we can support each
 other and all have a good ride without incident. But stuff happens, and
 every rider should accept the inherent risks and have some kind of backup
 plan.

 We will pass through a couple small towns where we may be able to eat
 in cafes and get groceries. But for the most part, plan to have the day's
 food/water on the bike.

 Any other questions?

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[RBW] How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[hsmitham]

Curious what you Rivsters think? Below video is curious. It'll be 
interesting to see how many of us fall into the two distinct groups 
associated with our perception of our bikes. I'm sure there will be those 
within the group who will fall somewhere in between.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gojC_e5hU

Hugh
Sunland, CA

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[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[Michael]

>
> clear nail polish.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Dan Abelson]

Jim,

If you bring your Moonlander we could probably fashion the tires in to some
type of raft. I will be on skinny 700 x 40s so I will just have to hope for
the best.

Dan Abelson
On May 22, 2013 4:26 PM, "Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery" 
wrote:

> I prefer to leave the decision on river fording to the group. None of us
> is as stupid as all of us!
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:01:27 PM UTC-5, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Are we going to forge the the ice-cold, waist-deep and treacherous Root
>> River with its sweeping current, where the bridge is out near Preston? Are
>> will we circumnavigate?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Doug M  wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be driving from St Paul to Preston on Friday afternoon and riding
>>> from there to Forestville to camp for the night.  I'll break camp Sunday AM
>>> and ride back to Preston to drop off the camping gear and ride for the
>>> day.  Returning to St Paul late Sunday afternoon when the rally is over.  I
>>> have room for one other bike, rider and their gear if anyone is interested.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:44:23 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I want to offer a bit of detail about what this year's country bike
 rally participants can expect.

 We will be following the general course, if not the exact route, of the
 Almanzo 100, over two days of riding. Almanzo cue sheets, last I checked,
 were available for download. The Almanzo course is mostly gravel, which can
 be highly variable between smooth and pavement-like to gnarly loose gravel
 with potholes. The terrain is quite hilly by Midwestern standards, but
 splitting the route into 2 days and taking a leisurely pace should make it
 less of an ordeal. Weather, as always, will be a factor. It's certain that
 bikes will get dirty, and possible that rocks will chip the paint. That's
 life.

 We will ride as a group and regroup as needed when we get separated by
 hills or whatever. That said, this is a "ride at your own risk" situation.
 Any participant is free to "opt out" for any reason, but there is no
 support car to pick you up if that happens. Hopefully we can support each
 other and all have a good ride without incident. But stuff happens, and
 every rider should accept the inherent risks and have some kind of backup
 plan.

 We will pass through a couple small towns where we may be able to eat
 in cafes and get groceries. But for the most part, plan to have the day's
 food/water on the bike.

 Any other questions?

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[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[Deacon Patrick]

So far, I don't. I likely won't, as my brain can't handle the fumes of 
paint or nail polish. Of course, living in Colorado, rust is hardly an 
issue. Besides, the dirt would have to flake off for me to find 'um. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:01:48 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Curious what you Rivsters think? Below video is curious. It'll be 
> interesting to see how many of us fall into the two distinct groups 
> associated with our perception of our bikes. I'm sure there will be those 
> within the group who will fall somewhere in between.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gojC_e5hU
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
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[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[RJM]

I don't do a thing for my scratches on my hillborne. If it starts to rust I 
will probably just do what grant did in the video and find some of the 
wife's nail polish and use that to cover it up. 
 
 
I found it funny that I got an advertisement for Hawk Racing bottom 
brackets in that video.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Deacon Patrick]

Just ride straight on really fast with the moonlander and you'll ride on 
water. It works in Iceland...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oeJjzdlTuI

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:06:18 PM UTC-6, Dan wrote:
>
> Jim, 
>
> If you bring your Moonlander we could probably fashion the tires in to 
> some type of raft. I will be on skinny 700 x 40s so I will just have to 
> hope for the best. 
>
> Dan Abelson 
> On May 22, 2013 4:26 PM, "Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery" 
> > 
> wrote:
>
>> I prefer to leave the decision on river fording to the group. None of us 
>> is as stupid as all of us!
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:01:27 PM UTC-5, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Are we going to forge the the ice-cold, waist-deep and treacherous Root 
>>> River with its sweeping current, where the bridge is out near Preston? Are 
>>> will we circumnavigate?
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Doug M  wrote:
>>>
 I'll be driving from St Paul to Preston on Friday afternoon and riding 
 from there to Forestville to camp for the night.  I'll break camp Sunday 
 AM 
 and ride back to Preston to drop off the camping gear and ride for the 
 day.  Returning to St Paul late Sunday afternoon when the rally is over.  
 I 
 have room for one other bike, rider and their gear if anyone is interested.
   
 On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:44:23 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
 Cyclery wrote:

> I want to offer a bit of detail about what this year's country bike 
> rally participants can expect. 
>
> We will be following the general course, if not the exact route, of 
> the Almanzo 100, over two days of riding. Almanzo cue sheets, last I 
> checked, were available for download. The Almanzo course is mostly 
> gravel, 
> which can be highly variable between smooth and pavement-like to gnarly 
> loose gravel with potholes. The terrain is quite hilly by Midwestern 
> standards, but splitting the route into 2 days and taking a leisurely 
> pace 
> should make it less of an ordeal. Weather, as always, will be a factor. 
> It's certain that bikes will get dirty, and possible that rocks will chip 
> the paint. That's life. 
>
> We will ride as a group and regroup as needed when we get separated by 
> hills or whatever. That said, this is a "ride at your own risk" 
> situation. 
> Any participant is free to "opt out" for any reason, but there is no 
> support car to pick you up if that happens. Hopefully we can support each 
> other and all have a good ride without incident. But stuff happens, and 
> every rider should accept the inherent risks and have some kind of backup 
> plan. 
>
> We will pass through a couple small towns where we may be able to eat 
> in cafes and get groceries. But for the most part, plan to have the day's 
> food/water on the bike. 
>
> Any other questions? 
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[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[dougP]

Every couple of years I get a fresh bottle of model paint & go to it.  
After a couple of hours, I get bored, declare the effort hopeless & give up 
for a while.  Of course, the big gouge I got pitching the bike around the 
Mt Gleason gate a couple of weeks back will have to be covered, & there's 
some rust happening in the chain suck area so I'm likely to do something 
yet this year.  

dougP

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> Curious what you Rivsters think? Below video is curious. It'll be 
> interesting to see how many of us fall into the two distinct groups 
> associated with our perception of our bikes. I'm sure there will be those 
> within the group who will fall somewhere in between.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gojC_e5hU
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
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[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

I'm not likely to invest any time into touch-up efforts, but I'm prepared 
if I change my 
mind
. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[Hugh Smitham]

Hey Doug,

I was wondering how you were going to handle that scratch? I figured
as you've had your bike over 10 years you got over the idea of
scratches a while ago.

~Hugh
Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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> Every couple of years I get a fresh bottle of model paint & go to it.  After
> a couple of hours, I get bored, declare the effort hopeless & give up for a
> while.  Of course, the big gouge I got pitching the bike around the Mt
> Gleason gate a couple of weeks back will have to be covered, & there's some
> rust happening in the chain suck area so I'm likely to do something yet this
> year.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:01:48 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Curious what you Rivsters think? Below video is curious. It'll be
>> interesting to see how many of us fall into the two distinct groups
>> associated with our perception of our bikes. I'm sure there will be those
>> within the group who will fall somewhere in between.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gojC_e5hU
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, CA
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[RBW] Re: Installing Cork grips for bar ends tip needed please...

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Ride with no grips until you figure stem length. 
--Smitty

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:02:55 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> I just wanna do a temp install without glueing them on til I determine the 
> right stem length.
>  
> Possible? Or will they not stay on themselves without glue?
> Will they not come back off easily like a rubber bar end does with alcohol?
>  
> If not, I'll just pad and tape wrap the bars until I know I got a keeper 
> stem.
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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[Hugh Smitham]

Ha, Ha! That's great Andy . Hey as a side note I like Google plusa it
let's you zoom in.

Best,


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[cyclotourist]

Perfect match, good job on that.

I touch up w/ clear when I come across them. Also have some close-ish
matched nail polish I use. I don't mind scratches from use, but I put on a
big chip from smacking the TT w/ a floor pump. Still pissed about that...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2361652997/ (warning: don't freak
out, it's on flickr, which I still like)

Cheers,
David



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> if I change my 
> mind
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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[Hugh Smitham]

Beausage :-)

Best,


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:54 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Perfect match, good job on that.
>
> I touch up w/ clear when I come across them. Also have some close-ish
> matched nail polish I use. I don't mind scratches from use, but I put on a
> big chip from smacking the TT w/ a floor pump. Still pissed about
> that...http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2361652997/ (warning: don't
> freak out, it's on flickr, which I still like)
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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[RBW] Re: Strange happenings out there

[Fai Mao]

I live on a small island in the middle of the Pacific. There are only two 
bike shops here; one carries Giant the other Cannondale. But the head 
mechanic at Hornet sports was incredibly supportive  when I ordered the 
Soma. I was amused at the amount of positive comments the bike received as 
I was in the shop while they were doing the assembly. Maybe it was just 
that the bike looked a lot different than the average Giant carbon frame 
bike. I say this because it seems that several years ago if you brought a 
very nice old-steel bike into a shop they sneered at you and tried to tell 
you how much faster you'd be on something else. (Often times they had to 
tell me that on the sales floor because they could catch me on an actual 
ride)

I think that things are definitely changing 

I don't know if Rivendell is the cause of that of if it just a normal 
market cycle. People like something different. After all, all carbon bike 
pretty much look alike.  I would bet that many are actually the same frame 
from the same factory with different decals. But I also think there may 
have been a bit of over reach with things like integrated seatpost and 
such. I refuse to pay 8K for a bike that I have to throw away after a bad 
crash. This goes beyond the supposed repair-ability of lugged frames. If 
you have to worry about a bike after accidentally dropping it down the 
stairs how can you say the frame is strong enough to be safe? 





On Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24:48 AM UTC+10, PeterG wrote:
>
> My wife had to go out of town for the week. Bored, I decided that I would 
> spend the day riding my Hillborne and then visit a few local bike shops and 
> see what's selling out there these days. I haven't really been to many bike 
> shops in the last couple of years (Rivendell has been my "go-to" place for 
> most all my cycling needs lately). I ended up visiting three shops here in 
> Reno, NV. I felt like I was in a weird sort of parallel universe. All of 
> the stores had their racks filled with carbon race bikes with the 
> handlebars wa below the seats. When I asked to see bikes where i could 
> get my handlebars at or above the seat I was told at each store that they 
> don't make them that way... unless I was interested in a beach cruiser type 
> bike (single speed). It was explained to me that people want to go fast on 
> road bikes, so they need to be hunched down to prevent wind drag. When I 
> asked about seeing steel frame bikes, all of the salesmen told me that 
> steel bikes haven't been made in years.. .WOW! At the last stop I made, 
> a young kid that worked there (maybe 19 years old) whispered to me that 
> there was a local shop that did indeed sell two steel bikes, gunnars and 
> surly'sbut he couldn't remember the name of the store. Not sure if that 
> is true or not, but I give the kid credit for at least trying (his boss 
> tried to sell me a cervelo race bike two sizes too small for $7900 for 
> weekend solo riding). Is Reno an anomaly or is this happening everywhere?

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[RBW] Re: What is the Rivish upgrade from Synergy rims?

[Fai Mao]

I do not know if they are still made in the 650B size.
I do not know the width

That said - The Velocity Dyad is a world beater rim for a commuting bike

On Friday, May 17, 2013 1:47:09 PM UTC+10, Michael wrote:
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> Don't want a wider rim. Same size 650b.
> What's a good upgrade?
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[LeahFoy]

Just in case the photos didn't attach properly...

On Friday, May 10, 2013 1:43:09 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Hi, All!
>
>  I'm Leah, and I'm happy to have discovered you! 
>
> In November I managed to get my paws on my very own Rivendell Betty Foy. 
> She's the completely perfect answer to my cycling needs. I slapped a 
> gorgeous Brooks B68 in honey on her and it's been great. But yesterday I 
> made the mistake of tooling around on the Brooks site and discovered that 
> they now make a RED B 17...and it would be the exact red that all the 
> decals and fill-ins on the lugwork are. If fit isn't a consideration, what 
> is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would 
> you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible honey 
> color prevail? My other saddle could go to my dad, who is currently 
> suffering with his stock Specialized saddle, so no waste there... I'd love 
> your opinions, so thanks ahead of time!
>
> Leah
>
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[RBW] Re: Installing Cork grips for bar ends tip needed please...

[Michael]

>
> [Forehead slap...]... I shoulda had a V8!
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[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[dougP]

Now I know what to do with any left over modeling paint.  :-)

dougP

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> mind
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[RBW] Re: Portland Country Ride

[hsmitham]

I think that's a ride I'd like to do when I visit in 2014. Thanks for a 
good ride report and the pic's are great!

~Hugh

On Monday, May 20, 2013 4:32:53 PM UTC-7, Allan in Portland wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> A buddy is getting married this summer so for a bachelor's party we did a 
> S36O to Vernonia for karaoke. The last time I did that ride was 9 or 10 
> years ago. Then the Banks-Vernonia trail was 3 miles of broken asphalt 
> overgrown with so many blackberries as to be unrideable. Now, it is 30 
> miles of new pavement. I'd read about it many times, but hadn't actually 
> ridden the new version for myself until this weekend. For the return there 
> are old timber roads connecting Vernonia with Scappose, so another 30 miles 
> of off-highway riding. All in all, a spectacular and long overdue weekend.
>
> I, personally, didn't bring a camera, but there is proof it happened:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeportland/8757055994/in/set-72157633524674463/
>
> There's Riv activewear, but alas no bikes this time. There is a Waterford. 
> And a Miyata. And maybe a Japanese Schwinn, not an expert on them myself.
>
> Cheers & Happy Summer Camping,
> -Allan
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[RBW] Safety light: grids

[Leslie]

Anyone else see this?

http://www.yankodesign.com/2013/05/21/lumigrids-while-cycling/


Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[Mike Schiller]

took a pretty good dump today on a steep dirt drop off... besides a few 
nasty dirt abrasions I had two 3/4 inch long chips on my downtube. I 
ordered some touch up paint and will do a 4 part process.  Touch up paint, 
sand, more paint, steel wool. then spray clear and polish with scratch 
remover to smooth out.  Too big and too obvious to leave alone.  Gunna put 
on the knobbies tomorrow.

~mike

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:01:48 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Curious what you Rivsters think? Below video is curious. It'll be 
> interesting to see how many of us fall into the two distinct groups 
> associated with our perception of our bikes. I'm sure there will be those 
> within the group who will fall somewhere in between.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gojC_e5hU
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[cyclotourist]

knobbie time!

Cheers,
David



On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> took a pretty good dump today on a steep dirt drop off... besides a few
> nasty dirt abrasions I had two 3/4 inch long chips on my downtube. I
> ordered some touch up paint and will do a 4 part process.  Touch up paint,
> sand, more paint, steel wool. then spray clear and polish with scratch
> remover to smooth out.  Too big and too obvious to leave alone.  Gunna put
> on the knobbies tomorrow.
>
> ~mike
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:01:48 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Curious what you Rivsters think? Below video is curious. It'll be
>> interesting to see how many of us fall into the two distinct groups
>> associated with our perception of our bikes. I'm sure there will be those
>> within the group who will fall somewhere in between.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=33gojC_e5hU
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[rob markwardt]

I'm not anal-retentive (a little obsessive), but I would never put Revlon 
Red on an Atlantis. I do, however, have some Wet and Wild, "Wild Shine" 
Carribean Frost (# 446c ) that I use to touch up my Bleriot.

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:01:48 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Curious what you Rivsters think? Below video is curious. It'll be 
> interesting to see how many of us fall into the two distinct groups 
> associated with our perception of our bikes. I'm sure there will be those 
> within the group who will fall somewhere in between.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gojC_e5hU
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

[Joe Bernard]

Scratches on a new bike make me insane, so I solved that: I buy 
pre-scratched used bikes now...

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:01:48 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

> Curious what you Rivsters think? Below video is curious. It'll be 
> interesting to see how many of us fall into the two distinct groups 
> associated with our perception of our bikes. I'm sure there will be those 
> within the group who will fall somewhere in between.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gojC_e5hU
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>

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