Re: [RBW] Re: Sping Sale: TA Carmina, Grand Bois Hetres, Panaracer Pasela, Schwalbe, Nitto,SKS, Sugino etc.

[jimmy johnsen]

They sold

 


 From: jeffrey kane 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:48 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Sping Sale: TA Carmina, Grand Bois Hetres, Panaracer Pasela, 
Schwalbe, Nitto,SKS, Sugino etc.
  

Hey, I shot you an e-mail about the Hetres and tubes ... lemme know when you 
get a chance, please.

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:40:39 AM UTC-5, hobie wrote:
For sale. All items include shipping.
>
>Specialites TA Carmina crankset 172.5 w. both 130bcd road and compact 94bcd 
>spyders both silver. The rings are 50/34 silver rings 94bcd and 52/42 black 
>rings 130bcd.Comes w. Phil Wood BB 103mm, just the BB no rings. Crank alone is 
>big $. Overall in excellent condition. Top quality crankset. $435.00
>
>2- used Grand Bois 650b Hetres red color w. 2 like new Schwalbe 650 tubes 
>alittle dirty but alot of life left.  the best 650b tires $85.00
>
>2- Brand new Panaracer Pasela folding bead tires 700x35 $60.00
>
>2- Brand new Schwalbe Marathon Racer folding bead tires. 700x35  $95.00
>
>Nitto cockpit w. Nitto Technomic deluxe stem 11cm, Nitto Noodle 48cm 
>handlebars, Shimano Tiagra aero brake levers logos removed w.acetone, Velo 
>plugs black, brown cloth tape shellaced 4 times to a deep brown, black brake 
>cable housing. This setup came off a 58cm Saluki.  $115.00
>
>Nitto Crystal fellow seatpost 27.2  Plenty insertion marks especially the 
>rear, though almost a fistful of clean post, logo intact. $38.00
>
>Phil Wood Disc cassette hub 130mm spacing 32 hole. You can have it re-spaced 
>to 135mm from Phil for about $40.00 Excellent condition. What a hub!  
>Bombproof. $185.00
>
>Sugino AP110 triple crankset w. 48/38/28 rings and extra 110/34 ring for a 
>compact double. I used the double configuration w. a Phil 113 BB and it worked 
>great. $45.00
>
>MKS Urban Pedals almost new $35.00
>
>Tektro R556 xtra longreach brakes. Older style w. grey metal release and gull 
>wing brake shoe holders. Pads almost need to be replaced. $30.00
>
>Silver Shifters downtube w.2 brand new Jagwire Hyper cables w. packaging. 
>$35.00
>
>Vintage Suntour Cyclone MII rear derailler and Vintage Suntour Lepree front 
>clamp on 28.6 derailler. Excellent condition Both for $50.00
>
>Vintage Shimano 600 front derailler very good condition $20.00
>
>2 waterbottle cages similar design to KING cages although more of a titanium 
>finish in color. $13.00
>
>2 pairs of SKS fenders silver P45 and P50 stays cut to fit a 58cm Saluki both 
>pairs for $45.00 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sping Sale: TA Carmina, Grand Bois Hetres, Panaracer Pasela, Schwalbe, Nitto,SKS, Sugino etc.

[Tom Goodmann]

And the Nitto cockpit?  
tgoodmann-at-gmail-dot-com (should be visible anyway)

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 6:00:43 AM UTC-5, hobie wrote:
>
> They sold
>
>*From:* jeffrey kane >
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:48 PM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Sping Sale: TA Carmina, Grand Bois Hetres, Panaracer 
> Pasela, Schwalbe, Nitto,SKS, Sugino etc.
>  
> Hey, I shot you an e-mail about the Hetres and tubes ... lemme know when 
> you get a chance, please.
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:40:39 AM UTC-5, hobie wrote:
>
> For sale. All items include shipping.
>  
> Specialites TA Carmina crankset 172.5 w. both 130bcd road and 
> compact 94bcd spyders both silver. The rings are 50/34 silver rings 94bcd 
> and 52/42 black rings 130bcd.Comes w. Phil Wood BB 103mm, just the BB no 
> rings. Crank alone is big $. Overall in excellent condition. Top quality 
> crankset. $435.00
>  
> 2- used Grand Bois 650b Hetres red color w. 2 like new Schwalbe 650 tubes 
> alittle dirty but alot of life left.  the best 650b tires $85.00
>  
> 2- Brand new Panaracer Pasela folding bead tires 700x35 $60.00
>  
> 2- Brand new Schwalbe Marathon Racer folding bead tires. 700x35  $95.00
>  
> Nitto cockpit w. Nitto Technomic deluxe stem 11cm, Nitto Noodle 48cm 
> handlebars, Shimano Tiagra aero brake levers logos removed w.acetone, Velo 
> plugs black, brown cloth tape shellaced 4 times to a deep brown, black 
> brake cable housing. This setup came off a 58cm Saluki.  $115.00
>  
> Nitto Crystal fellow seatpost 27.2  Plenty insertion marks especially the 
> rear, though almost a fistful of clean post, logo intact. $38.00
>  
> Phil Wood Disc cassette hub 130mm spacing 32 hole. You can have it 
> re-spaced to 135mm from Phil for about $40.00 Excellent condition. What a 
> hub!  Bombproof. $185.00
>  
> Sugino AP110 triple crankset w. 48/38/28 rings and extra 110/34 ring for a 
> compact double. I used the double configuration w. a Phil 113 BB and 
> it worked great. $45.00
>  
> MKS Urban Pedals almost new $35.00
>  
> Tektro R556 xtra longreach brakes. Older style w. grey metal release and 
> gull wing brake shoe holders. Pads almost need to be replaced. $30.00
>  
> Silver Shifters downtube w.2 brand new Jagwire Hyper cables w. packaging. 
> $35.00
>  
> Vintage Suntour Cyclone MII rear derailler and Vintage Suntour Lepree 
> front clamp on 28.6 derailler. Excellent condition Both for $50.00
>  
> Vintage Shimano 600 front derailler very good condition $20.00
>  
> 2 waterbottle cages similar design to KING cages although more of a 
> titanium finish in color. $13.00
>  
> 2 pairs of SKS fenders silver P45 and P50 stays cut to fit a 58cm Saluki 
> both pairs for $45.00 
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Re: [RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I'm running Tektro brakes on my Goodrich with 60 mm berthoud fenders and up to 
2.35" rubber.

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Re: [RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Awhile back I saw that Yuba Mundo cargo bikes come with an extra long v-brake. 
It's silver, looks pretty good, and will solve any tire/fender/brake clearance 
issue.

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Re: [RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Just reread your post about this being for a CoMo Java. Why on earth aren't you 
getting disc brakes?!!!

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[RBW] Re: The Tri-I lasts forever

[Ron Mc]

take two - they're small

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 3:09:48 PM UTC-6, William wrote:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/infinite.htm
>
> It lasts forever, and Rivendell has an infinite supply of it.  It's the 
> Infinite Inventory Item.  I'm calling it the Tri-I.  Only a dollar!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sping Sale: TA Carmina, Grand Bois Hetres, Panaracer Pasela, Schwalbe, Nitto,SKS, Sugino etc.

[jimmy johnsen]

The cockpit is still for sale.

 


 From: Tom Goodmann 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Cc: jimmy johnsen  
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Sping Sale: TA Carmina, Grand Bois Hetres, Panaracer 
Pasela, Schwalbe, Nitto,SKS, Sugino etc.
  

And the Nitto cockpit?  
tgoodmann-at-gmail-dot-com (should be visible anyway)

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 6:00:43 AM UTC-5, hobie wrote:
They sold
>
> 
> From: jeffrey kane 
>To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups. com 
>Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:48 PM
>Subject: [RBW] Re: Sping Sale: TA Carmina, Grand Bois Hetres, Panaracer 
>Pasela, Schwalbe, Nitto,SKS, Sugino etc.
>  
>
>Hey, I shot you an e-mail about the Hetres and tubes ... lemme know when you 
>get a chance, please.
>
>On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:40:39 AM UTC-5, hobie wrote:
>For sale. All items include shipping.
>>
>>Specialites TA Carmina crankset 172.5 w. both 130bcd road and compact 94bcd 
>>spyders both silver. The rings are 50/34 silver rings 94bcd and 52/42 black 
>>rings 130bcd.Comes w. Phil Wood BB 103mm, just the BB no rings. Crank alone 
>>is big $. Overall in excellent condition. Top quality crankset. $435.00
>>
>>2- used Grand Bois 650b Hetres red color w. 2 like new Schwalbe 650 tubes 
>>alittle dirty but alot of life left.  the best 650b tires $85.00
>>
>>2- Brand new Panaracer Pasela folding bead tires 700x35 $60.00
>>
>>2- Brand new Schwalbe Marathon Racer folding bead tires. 700x35  $95.00
>>
>>Nitto cockpit w. Nitto Technomic deluxe stem 11cm, Nitto Noodle 48cm 
>>handlebars, Shimano Tiagra aero brake levers logos removed w.acetone, Velo 
>>plugs black, brown cloth tape shellaced 4 times to a deep brown, black brake 
>>cable housing. This setup came off a 58cm Saluki.  $115.00
>>
>>Nitto Crystal fellow seatpost 27.2  Plenty insertion marks especially the 
>>rear, though almost a fistful of clean post, logo intact. $38.00
>>
>>Phil Wood Disc cassette hub 130mm spacing 32 hole. You can have it re-spaced 
>>to 135mm from Phil for about $40.00 Excellent condition. What a hub!  
>>Bombproof. $185.00
>>
>>Sugino AP110 triple crankset w. 48/38/28 rings and extra 110/34 ring for a 
>>compact double. I used the double configuration w. a Phil 113 BB and it 
>>worked great. $45.00
>>
>>MKS Urban Pedals almost new $35.00
>>
>>Tektro R556 xtra longreach brakes. Older style w. grey metal release and gull 
>>wing brake shoe holders. Pads almost need to be replaced. $30.00
>>
>>Silver Shifters downtube w.2 brand new Jagwire Hyper cables w. packaging. 
>>$35.00
>>
>>Vintage Suntour Cyclone MII rear derailler and Vintage Suntour Lepree front 
>>clamp on 28.6 derailler. Excellent condition Both for $50.00
>>
>>Vintage Shimano 600 front derailler very good condition $20.00
>>
>>2 waterbottle cages similar design to KING cages although more of a titanium 
>>finish in color. $13.00
>>
>>2 pairs of SKS fenders silver P45 and P50 stays cut to fit a 58cm Saluki both 
>>pairs for $45.00 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot Frame/Fork/HS/BB/etc.

[colinthehippie]

Update to this: upon further inspection, it appears the chainstays are 
damaged from the use of a kickstand.  That is, they have been flttened in a 
bit where the kickstand sat agains them.  And there is paint damage there 
as well.  I've dropped my price to $520, with shipping included.  Please 
send me an email off list if you want pictures or are interested.

Cheers,

Colin Cummings
Amarillo, tx

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:58:53 PM UTC-6, colinthehippie wrote:
>
> For your consideration, one much loved 59cm Bleriot in typical condition 
> (photos available upon request).  Includes a Campognolo headset, dirty 
> bottom bracket, and Dia-Compe centerpull brakes (if you want em - I 
> recommend em).  Scratches / dings here and there, but otherwise every bit 
> the grand frame it's purported to be.  I have moved on to less gears (one 
> to be exact).
>
> I hate to part with it, so in honor of the best tire size in the world, 
> I'll start at $650 plus actual shipping, probably $60-$75 in the contiguous 
> US.  Great bike.
>
> Also have some Albatross bars and a Wald basket or two.  Email me off list 
> if you want something like that.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, TX
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I travel sometimes with a guy who uses a BOB. He checks the whole thing on 
Amtrak as a single piece of luggage. Easy. His main complaint is that it 
bounces on the rough roads I make him ride.

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 4:47:48 PM UTC-6, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> I have used it pretty extensively from quick overnights to cross country. 
> It works great Nd is super easy to pack- no worries about load balancing. 
> The bike is incredibly stable towing it and after using it for a few days 
> the bike feels strange without it. I have used it on a variety of bikes 
> from touring bike to my Bike Friday and it did great. The downsides?  It 
> adds weight and if you are the only person with a trailer you are going to 
> work harder to keep up. It also means one more wheel- flats, etc. It is a 
> pain to travel with and can make bus and train trips a major chore. It will 
> also be one more bag to check if you are flying. 
>
> Overall it certainly has its upsides but if I were starting from scratch- 
> with the cost of shipping and airline fees- would lean towards panniers. 
>
> Cheers! 
> cm
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Midge, again

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks, Kellie.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Kellie Stapleton
 wrote:
> I didn't tell you, I really like these bars. Hope the pix helped.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:08:02 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I like that Vaya a lot!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Kellie Stapleton 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 10:54:42 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 A woman on this list declared her intention a month or so ago to
 install a Midge. I'd be interested in hearing her opinion of it, and
 learning how she set it up.

 Me, I am still of mixed minds. (Howzat for a weird metaphor.) On the
 one hand, it is, both overall one of the better compromises for on-
 and off-road; the hoods are better than those of the 46 cm Noodles
 (which were too damn' wide) and the hooks, tho' even wider, are as
 comfortable because so much nearer and shallower. Compared to 42 cm
 Noodles, the Midge is as comfortable on the hoods (this is where, for
 me, the Midge shines) but considerably less so in the hooks -- again,
 width and, also, because you simply can't set up the hooks to be
 parallel to the ground: they are far too shallow and short.

 OTOH, the 42 Noodles were useless on anything except firm surfaces,
 while the Midge is wide enough even at the hoods to offer considerable
 leverage and,  in the hooks, gives all the control you need.

 My problems with the Midge are (1) the great width in the hooks and
 (2) how the slanted hooks make my very sensitive left palm suffer.
 This last may be helped with even more added padding. As to the first,
 I am wondering if I should lower the bar (currently ~2 cm above
 saddle) a cm or two and use the hooks, not the hoods, as the cruising
 position. But this means that, off road, the hooks will be hard to use
 on steep drop-offs where you need maximum grip and braking.

 Perhaps the solution is to have a separate off-road bike that I can
 set up without any compromise for road riding ...

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[RBW] Events of potential interest to adventurous types

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Country bike rally and Fall color tour.

http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2013/03/events-of-potential-interest-to.html

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[RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[Ely Rodriguez]

Honestly, if my son can do it, you can probably make it work.

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:51:01 AM UTC-8, clayton wrote:
>
> I love mine. I only use it for home depot runs and so forth. (I weighed my 
> Yak and *without* the bag and it weighed 12 lbs!) Using it for groceries, 
> TV sets, huge laundromat runs and so forth it works great. For touring on 
> and off road I much prefer panniers.
> Clay
> Bend, OR
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 10:59:22 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hey Riv folk was wondering if anyone has used one of these YAK trailers? 
>> If yes how does it handle? . And I'm really not ready to throw down and buy 
>> this one just yet so the early bird gets the worm. Just curious. Thanks in 
>> advance.
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen lapel pin UPDATE

[Kellie Stapleton]

I'd like ONE also? Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Midge, again

[iamkeith]

Matt, that is OUTSTANDING!

It's crazy to me how there are so many dirt drop and alt bars out
there, with new ones coming out seemingly all the time, and yet how
none of them seem to be able to get it "just right."   I know this is
highly subjective and personal but, with the exception of "width"
which might depend  on an individual rider's build,  it doesn't seem
like you should have to compromise one obviously good feature to
accommodate another.  Yet the options are always either: too narrow on
top to give you an upper hand position (old WTB and 3TTT, etc.), too
deep of a drop to the lower sections for hard-core off-road riding by
people without racer physique (Nitto, etc.), way more flare and width
than you actually need at the ends for ergonomics and wrist clearance
sake (Woodchipper, etc.), too angled at the bend to make the hoods
comfortable (Origin 8 Gary, etc.), too short in the extensions to give
you a full hand grip (Midge, etc), available only for oversize stem
clamps (Ragely Luxy, Soma Junebug, etc), unable to accommodate bar-end
shifters (new WTB "Mountain Road," etc.), etc., etc.

(Not to mention.  If you're only going to offer a component in one
color, it should be polished SILVER, not black, duh.)

I think YOU may have almost created the perfect bar though.  I'd love
to hear your impressions and some more photos, after you put some time
on them.  On the other hand, I completely agree that the 48cm Noodles
actually are almost perfect as they are.  The only reason I even keep
trying to find something else is because having different bars helps
me justify owning multiple, otherwise redundant bikes -  a'la Sheldon
philosophy.


(Patrick:  Sorry if I've sort of hijacked the original intention of
the thread here, with my rant)

On Mar 7, 3:11 am, Matt H  wrote:
> A recent Midge Mod.
>
> >
> Here the pictures, before and after bar tape.  The one with colourful bar
> tape is of a set of unadulterated bars and is not mine.  It's just pulled
> off the internet for comparison.
>
> I haven't ridden them outside my living room yet, but first impressions are
> promising!
>
> Matt

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Re: [RBW] Re: Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen lapel pin UPDATE

[Tom Goodmann]

Put me down for TWO please; thanks.  --Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Midge, again

[PATRICK MOORE]

Not at all, not at all -- I'm all for "organic growth" in thread life.
I agree with your rant entirely and I too want to hear more from Matt.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:07 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>
>
> (Patrick:  Sorry if I've sort of hijacked the original intention of
> the thread here, with my rant)
>
> On Mar 7, 3:11 am, Matt H  wrote:
>> A recent Midge Mod.
>>
>> >
>> Here the pictures, before and after bar tape.  The one with colourful bar
>> tape is of a set of unadulterated bars and is not mine.  It's just pulled
>> off the internet for comparison.
>>
>> I haven't ridden them outside my living room yet, but first impressions are
>> promising!
>>
>> Matt
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[RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[Christopher Murray]

Agreed- Amtrak is very easy. I was thinking local trains where the extra length 
can be a pain. 

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[RBW] Re: Midge, again

[Philip Williamson]

That is a great mod. Without bar-end shifters, Midges are too short for my 
best comfort. With bar-end shifters in, they're fine. If I ran the zoo, I 
would have designed them with an extra inch or so on each side, with 
engraved markings for the owners to chop them shorter. 

Philip
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On Thursday, March 7, 2013 2:11:38 AM UTC-8, Matt wrote:
>
> A recent Midge Mod.
>
> I think similarly to you, I liked the Midge's hoods, but wasn't so keen on 
> their drop position.  The grips were too short and my wrists were really 
> uncomfortable with their outward flare.  I've been riding 46cm and 48cm 
> Noodles, which I like a lot, esp. the 48's, and shelved the Midges.  
>
> Long story short, a millwright at work very kindly helped me modify 'em.  
> He spun off some aluminum plugs (I think 5cm long) to extend the grip 
> section and suggested I try wrapping a loop of rope around the bar ends and 
> spinning a stick/screwdriver in between them to pull in the flare. 
>
> Here the pictures, before and after bar tape.  The one with colourful bar 
> tape is of a set of unadulterated bars and is not mine.  It's just pulled 
> off the internet for comparison.
>
> I haven't ridden them outside my living room yet, but first impressions 
> are promising!
>
>
> Matt
>

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[RBW] Experience with Long-Finger Gloves

[Eric Norris]

I've been experimenting with gloves and hand comfort, and it seems like 
unpadded gloves work better for me. For some reason, the padding in most gloves 
seems to cause problems for my hands that I don't have when I'm not wearing 
gloves.

In fact, when I rode the Death Valley event last weekend I was gloveless most 
of the day and my hands and arms felt great. 

Does anybody have experience with unpadded short-fingered gloves *or* 
long-fingered gloves (like these: 
http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp?page=8&description=Rivet+Long+Finger+Gloves&vendorCode=GIRO&major=4&minor=22)?

Thanks in advance.

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[RBW] Re: Events of potential interest to adventurous types

[William]

Those both look really fun, Jim.  

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 6:53:58 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
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> Country bike rally and Fall color tour.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Experience with Long-Finger Gloves

[Bruce Herbitter]

My go to glove in temps under 60F are unpadded Giro Westerlys. Under 45F
are unpadded Ibex wool.  Under 30F are unpadded thicker wool glove from JC
Penneys.

http://www.giro.com/us_en/westerly-wool-5505.html

http://shop.ibex.com/Apparel/Zing/Knitty-Gritty-Glove   (short finger also
avail)

http://www.jcpenney.com/dotcom/brands/liz-claiborne/men/claiborne-wool-rich-knit-gloves/prod.jump?ppId=pp5002120831&searchTerm=gloves&dimCombo=null&dimComboVal=null&catId=SearchResults

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> I've been experimenting with gloves and hand comfort, and it seems like
> unpadded gloves work better for me. For some reason, the padding in most
> gloves seems to cause problems for my hands that I don't have when I'm not
> wearing gloves.
>
> In fact, when I rode the Death Valley event last weekend I was gloveless
> most of the day and my hands and arms felt great.
>
> Does anybody have experience with unpadded short-fingered gloves *or*
> long-fingered gloves (like these:
> http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp?page=8&description=Rivet+Long+Finger+Gloves&vendorCode=GIRO&major=4&minor=22
> )?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
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Re: [RBW] Experience with Long-Finger Gloves

[Jim Mather]

I use long-fingered unpadded gloves when I mountain bike. The lack of
padding matches well with my Ergon grips. Generally I buy whatever is
on sale at Jenson or Cambria, so I've had Fox, Descente, and Giro.
Here are some inexpensive ones at Jenson currently:
http://www.jensonusa.com/Bicycle-Gloves/Giro-DND-Glove-12

I've looked but haven't found unpadded, short-fingered gloves, so if
you find any please post.

jim m
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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> I've been experimenting with gloves and hand comfort, and it seems like 
> unpadded gloves work better for me. For some reason, the padding in most 
> gloves seems to cause problems for my hands that I don't have when I'm not 
> wearing gloves.
>
> In fact, when I rode the Death Valley event last weekend I was gloveless most 
> of the day and my hands and arms felt great.
>
> Does anybody have experience with unpadded short-fingered gloves *or* 
> long-fingered gloves (like these: 
> http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp?page=8&description=Rivet+Long+Finger+Gloves&vendorCode=GIRO&major=4&minor=22)?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --Eric N
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[RBW] Re: Experience with Long-Finger Gloves

[William]

Eric

My Joann Fabrics sells super stretchy knit gloves for $1 a pair.  I have 
them hidden everywhere possible amongst my bikes.  I just grabbed the pair 
out of the front bag on my commuter.  Those are Red.  The ones that live in 
the handlebar bag on my brevet bike are navy blue.  When I want a tiny bit 
of warmth and no padding, they are terrific.  I've used them on a 200k 
before.  

For the rain, I wear a size large blue nitrile glove over the top.  That's 
good for any amount of rain and down into the high 30s in my experience. 
 I'm strongly in favor of equipment that is super useful while being almost 
weightless and practically free.  

I think I did a flickr set on the topic when I started playing with them. 
 I can't drop a flickr link at the moment, but I think you know how to find 
my flickr stream

Bill

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:51:23 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I've been experimenting with gloves and hand comfort, and it seems like 
> unpadded gloves work better for me. For some reason, the padding in most 
> gloves seems to cause problems for my hands that I don't have when I'm not 
> wearing gloves. 
>
> In fact, when I rode the Death Valley event last weekend I was gloveless 
> most of the day and my hands and arms felt great. 
>
> Does anybody have experience with unpadded short-fingered gloves *or* 
> long-fingered gloves (like these: 
> http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp?page=8&description=Rivet+Long+Finger+Gloves&vendorCode=GIRO&major=4&minor=22)?
>  
>
>
> Thanks in advance. 
>
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

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Re: [RBW] Re: Experience with Long-Finger Gloves

[Jim Mather]

Well, I looked again and found the Giro Zero, which is apparently an
unpadded short-finger glove:
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/gloves/aero-tri/zero.html

I may have to try a pair.

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[RBW] Re: Midge, again

[Philip Williamson]

My mileage varies. I think the old WTB bars are perfect, and the Midges are 
quite good. I like the flare - that's the best feature of these bars. The 
width on the tops is fine for me, but I don't ride on the tops. I don't 
like Noodles, so I think that might be a watershed for people.  

Philip
www.biketinker.com 

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:07:34 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Matt, that is OUTSTANDING! 
>
> It's crazy to me how there are so many dirt drop and alt bars out 
> there, with new ones coming out seemingly all the time, and yet how 
> none of them seem to be able to get it "just right."   I know this is 
> highly subjective and personal but, with the exception of "width" 
> which might depend  on an individual rider's build,  it doesn't seem 
> like you should have to compromise one obviously good feature to 
> accommodate another.  Yet the options are always either: too narrow on 
> top to give you an upper hand position (old WTB and 3TTT, etc.), too 
> deep of a drop to the lower sections for hard-core off-road riding by 
> people without racer physique (Nitto, etc.), way more flare and width 
> than you actually need at the ends for ergonomics and wrist clearance 
> sake (Woodchipper, etc.), too angled at the bend to make the hoods 
> comfortable (Origin 8 Gary, etc.), too short in the extensions to give 
> you a full hand grip (Midge, etc), available only for oversize stem 
> clamps (Ragely Luxy, Soma Junebug, etc), unable to accommodate bar-end 
> shifters (new WTB "Mountain Road," etc.), etc., etc. 
>
> (Not to mention.  If you're only going to offer a component in one 
> color, it should be polished SILVER, not black, duh.) 
>
> I think YOU may have almost created the perfect bar though.  I'd love 
> to hear your impressions and some more photos, after you put some time 
> on them.  On the other hand, I completely agree that the 48cm Noodles 
> actually are almost perfect as they are.  The only reason I even keep 
> trying to find something else is because having different bars helps 
> me justify owning multiple, otherwise redundant bikes -  a'la Sheldon 
> philosophy. 
>
>
> (Patrick:  Sorry if I've sort of hijacked the original intention of 
> the thread here, with my rant) 
>
> On Mar 7, 3:11 am, Matt H  wrote: 
> > A recent Midge Mod. 
> > 
> > > 
> > Here the pictures, before and after bar tape.  The one with colourful 
> bar 
> > tape is of a set of unadulterated bars and is not mine.  It's just 
> pulled 
> > off the internet for comparison. 
> > 
> > I haven't ridden them outside my living room yet, but first impressions 
> are 
> > promising! 
> > 
> > Matt 
>

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Midge, again

[PATRICK MOORE]

I'm gonna try it. Bending bike metal -- whoo hoo!

BTW, I wuz mistook when I thought that the discussion began on another
list. Ignore me, as usual.

Are Nitto 42s heat treated? If not, man, bending those into a flare
would make a very nice off road bar!

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Alistair Spence  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Matt H  wrote:
>> A recent Midge Mod.
>> Long story short, a millwright at work very kindly helped me modify 'em.  He
>> spun off some aluminum plugs (I think 5cm long) to extend the grip section
>
>
> Nice. I did the same thing for my mustache bars a few years back and
> found it to be helpful,
>
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/duncancycles/3746332441/in/photostream
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/duncancycles/3747121190/in/photostream/
>
> As I wrote in the other Midge related thread, I'm not crazy about the
> bending the h'bars mod., but I sure hope it works out fine for you.
>
> Alistair.
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[RBW] Re: Events of potential interest to adventurous types

[Tom Goodmann]

Posted on my calendar: two tours d'wunnerful


On Thursday, March 7, 2013 2:00:07 PM UTC-5, William wrote:
>
> Those both look really fun, Jim.  
>
> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 6:53:58 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
>>
>> Country bike rally and Fall color tour.
>>
>>
>> http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2013/03/events-of-potential-interest-to.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Midge, again

[Philip Williamson]

Are you going to remove flare from a Midge bar, or modify a Noodle for 
offroad use? I think the original Cunningham offroad drops were custom-bent 
Cinelli bars. I don't think I'd want an offroad drop that wasn't heat 
treated, though. You might be able to heat treat your modified bars in the 
oven ("How hard could it be?" Note: I'm an artist, not an engineer).  

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:37:58 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'm gonna try it. Bending bike metal -- whoo hoo! 
>
> BTW, I wuz mistook when I thought that the discussion began on another 
> list. Ignore me, as usual. 
>
> Are Nitto 42s heat treated? If not, man, bending those into a flare 
> would make a very nice off road bar! 
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Alistair Spence 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Matt H > 
> wrote: 
> >> A recent Midge Mod. 
> >> Long story short, a millwright at work very kindly helped me modify 
> 'em.  He 
> >> spun off some aluminum plugs (I think 5cm long) to extend the grip 
> section 
> > 
> > 
> > Nice. I did the same thing for my mustache bars a few years back and 
> > found it to be helpful, 
> > 
> >  http://www.flickr.com/photos/duncancycles/3746332441/in/photostream 
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/duncancycles/3747121190/in/photostream/ 
> > 
> > As I wrote in the other Midge related thread, I'm not crazy about the 
> > bending the h'bars mod., but I sure hope it works out fine for you. 
> > 
> > Alistair. 
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[RBW] FS: 64/66cm Orange Ram

[Ryan Ray]

I have the opportunity to pick up one of two really big, big dummies for a 
great price. So, I'm selling my other pricey bike perfect for the rides I don't 
have time for anymore. 

This is exploratory a bit. I'm not sure i could part with it but if I can get 
the right price I will. After that family bike post here the other day I went 
from thinking about a big dummy to actually wanting to buy one to finding one 
on CL and remember a list member in the area had one as well.  

66 c to t
Orange

All parts less than 2 years old other than headset/bb/seat post. 

Xt rapid rise
Big noodles
Tektro levers
Brand new tektro brakes, the new model 
XD2 triple
Mks touring pedals
New 32mm pasela TGs
New sks p45s with a VO leather flap
105/open sport wheelset
All new cables/housing

I'm sure I'm forgetting some detail. 

I would also be interested in a partial trade for a cheap skinny tire ok steel 
road bike for the rare occasions I will get out when it's not raining. But not 
more than a few hindered dollars. I need the rest of the cash for the big 
dummy. 

If you are interested please send me an offer. 


- Ryan

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[RBW] Re: An afternoon well spent

[samh]

I'm sorry to hear about your terrible accident.   Please, please post some 
more pictures of your beautiful bike (maybe post them on flickr and link to 
them here?).

On Monday, February 18, 2013 5:07:03 PM UTC-7, LBleriot wrote:
>
> Back in September I was hit by a car head on while riding my 
> brand-new-to-me Rambouillet.  3 broken vertebrae, 100+ facial stitches, and 
> months of rehab later I am back riding on semi-regular basis.  The Ram was 
> destroyed, but with the help of Grant and Mark, I ordered a new Roadeo.  It 
> was delivered a couple of weeks ago, and I used the holiday weekend to 
> build it up.  So, with a glass Famous Grouse scotch, two Macanudos, and 
> Pandora playing, I headed off to the man cave to play.  Here's the build 
> list and a pic of the result:
>
> Roadeo in AHH blue (with DT bosses and hour glass rack eyelets)
> Nitto Technomic stem
> Nitto 115 bars
> Nitto Crysal Fellow seat post
> Chorus brifters
> Chorus RD and FD
> VO Gran Cru brake calipers
> VO Gran Cru crankset (48-36)
> VO cages
> Pacenti PL23 rims laced to Record hubs
> Record chain
> Wheels Mfg 13-30 cassette
> Brooks Imperial saddle
> Panaracer Paselas (until the GB Cerfs arrive)
>
> I took one very cold, but very happy ride here on Long Island this 
> afternoon.  It rides a little more sprightly than Ram.  Pure fun.  Thanks 
> for reading!
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

[Salween]

Riding in the hot and humid land of shellac where it's readily available in 
all shades for about $1 for 12 ounces ready to apply, it's a no brainer for 
me. I don't really notice it being sticky (maybe just used to it) except a 
day or two after (re)application, and indeed a bit when it rains. Using it 
over cork. Can see it being an acquired taste, but it sure is easier for me 
to touch-up shellac than re-wrap. Wish it did not take me so long to learn 
its wonders in this application. 

Owen in Bangkok

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 4:06:00 AM UTC+7, M D Smith wrote:
>
>  
> I also like the feel of shellaced bar tape.  I particularly appreciate how 
> long the tape lasts as compared to untreated cloth tape.  One thing, 
> however, is that on really hot, humid days or after rain, the shellaced 
> tape can feel a little sticky.  No worse than cork or foam or regular tape, 
> but worth noting.
>  
> All in good fun- Mike in Htfd CT
>
>  
>  
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Re: [RBW] Front Rack ideas

[Scott Loveless]

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Edwin W  wrote:

> Reading that review made me look at this Blackburn. Anybody used that with
> Riv mid forks?

Since I wrote that review/comparison (I didn't actually have all those
racks in my hand, just going on numbers), I should chime in.  The
Blackburn MTF fits perfectly on 700c Surly Long Haul Truckers and
every single 1980s Cannondale touring bike I've tried it on.  Three so
far.  The mid-fork eyelets on the SH appear to be intended for a Nitto
Mini if the bike had cantilever brakes.  I used to own a Rawland rSogn
that had two sets of mid-fork eyelets, high and low, and the MTF
didn't fit either of them, not by a long shot.

Blackburn includes p-clamps with the rack, but that still doesn't
guarantee it will sit level.  Also, if the rack is mounted with
p-clamps and you put any significant weight on it, the rack will
wiggle.  It's noticeable.  My experience was that I could see it
moving and also feel it, almost like a very low frequency speed
wobble.  I don't know that it was necessarily dangerous or bad, but it
set off my OCD enough that I went looking for a better solution.

This is it:  
http://thetouringstore.com/TUBUS/Fit%20Solutions/FIT%20SOLUTIONS%20PAGE.htm
 Item #4.  The rack mounts on this kit sit pretty wide, but that
actually works out well for fitting the rack.  First, attach the rack
at the lower fork drop-out eyelets.  Next, assemble the fork mounting
kit around the fork legs and attach them to the rack.  Everything
should be very, very loose.  Rattly, even.  Then use a toe-strap
around the rack and the fork crown to slowly pull the rack vertical.
When it's where you want it, tighten everything down and then remove
the strap.  Attached like this, or to mid-fork eyelets that actually
fit it, the MTF has been a solid rack.  I'm sure I've had at least the
rated maximum weight on it more than once.

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Re: [RBW] The Tri-I lasts forever

[Tonester]

Review submitted.  I gotta get me some/none of those!

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 3:03:14 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
>
> O snap!  Now there are two reviews.  Now I gotta get in on that
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 3:01:43 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
>>
>> I wrote a review, but decided that was too stupid, even for me.  So I 
>> didn't submit it.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 2:55:14 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't neglect to add your review of the item.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM, William  wrote:
>>>
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/infinite.htm

 It lasts forever, and Rivendell has an infinite supply of it.  It's the 
 Infinite Inventory Item.  I'm calling it the Tri-I.  Only a dollar!

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Re: [RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[Richard James]

> Just reread your post about this being for a CoMo Java. Why on earth 
aren't you getting disc brakes?!!!
+1 

I have a recently-built Java myself, and the hydraulic disc brakes are one 
of the best things about it!

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[RBW] WTT: 3 new in the package Maxy Fasty's for 3 Nifty Swifty's

[wrickster]

I have 3 new in the package Rivendell Maxy Fasty foldable 650x34 tires I am 
willing to trade for 3 new (absolutely new, never mounted, no signs of 
wear) Nifty Swifty 650x33 tires. 

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[RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[Salween]

Tom, 

Wow, that is quite encouraging. Also thinking of 60mm Berthound's with the 
wider tires, so your experience and the others leads us to think that we 
won't be too limited with the V brake constraint.  I was too thinking of 
checking in with the folks in Chico about the Motolites. 

The arm length differences got me thinking, I trust there's a standard 
distance (range) for the studs to be placed from axel center depending on 
rim size, wonder if we can make sure they place the studs to ensure we can 
maximize the brake's tire clearance for 700c rims. 

Thanks, Owen
 
On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:25:42 AM UTC+7, Tom Harrop wrote:
>
> Hi Owen,
>
> I use Shimano V-brakes (107 mm arms), 700C Big Apples (57 mm actual width 
> on my rims) and Berthoud 60 mm steel fenders. It works great, although it 
> was necessary to put a dent in (or should I say cold set) the fenders to 
> get the housing stop/quick-release thingy on the V-brakes to clear. With 50 
> mm 700C Marathon Supremes (around 46 mm on my rims, from memory) I had nice 
> clearance on the fenders and no denting was necessary. 
>
> I think Tektro V-brakes are available with longer arms, and I've heard 
> that the arms on Paul Motolites are 114 mm but that measurement isn't given 
> on their website (anyone got a set they can measure?). You would need to 
> have the frame clearance and racks could get in the way. I intend to find 
> out about the Motolites and consider switching at some point.
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

[Zoraster]

I no longer even wrap my bars. I only wrap my hands. Mostly in leather and no 
Shellac. To be honest, my hands aren't really wrapped I wear gloves. Protects 
my hands and improves grip on the bars and during falls. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[Salween]

Jim, 

Thanks for the info, others too! Seems like this V brake clearance thing is 
a non-issue so long as I get the right brake.  

The brake will be supplemental (stoker controlled) to the discs--just in 
case on those long descents with gear. I'm new to the disc thing so the 
extra insurance seemed prudent. Most of the time it won't even be on the 
bike, but when we decide to venture into terrain we feel may warrant it, 
just a 10-minuite add-on. We'll get a good taste straight away as we'll 
collect the bike a few miles from RBW HQ, so its going to see a bit of Mt. 
Diablo for a couple of weeks before it returns with us to Thailand.

Since you mentioned it, if you or others have any mechanical disc 
suggestions beyond the Avid BB7 or Bengal caliper/Shimano Ice rotor combo, 
would love to hear them. 

Owen

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:09:34 PM UTC+7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
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> Just reread your post about this being for a CoMo Java. Why on earth 
> aren't you getting disc brakes?!!!

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Midge, again

[Alistair Spence]

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Matt H  wrote:
> A recent Midge Mod.
> Long story short, a millwright at work very kindly helped me modify 'em.  He
> spun off some aluminum plugs (I think 5cm long) to extend the grip section


Nice. I did the same thing for my mustache bars a few years back and
found it to be helpful,

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/duncancycles/3746332441/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/duncancycles/3747121190/in/photostream/

As I wrote in the other Midge related thread, I'm not crazy about the
bending the h'bars mod., but I sure hope it works out fine for you.

Alistair.

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[RBW] New AHH 56cm 650B Build

[Davidbea]

Just made the call and my new A Homer Hilsen frame is on its way. I would 
appreciate some guidance on the build. I am looking to work with my local 
LBS as well as people in the group.
What's the difference between the Sugino XD600 and the XD2? Rivendell 
suggests using a 110mm bottom bracket with any of their bikes with the XD2 
and information on the XD600 suggests a 113mm. Is the 113 suggestion a 
generic or safer (more clearance) one? Suggestions? I like the idea of 
using older derailleurs like Suntours or similar Shimanos for the aesthetic 
but want to run the triple crank and the 8 speed cassette. Will that work? 
I'm more than okay with friction shifting and might use some Suntour down 
tube shifters. Thanks in advance for the help.
David

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Re: Re: [RBW] Re: Experience with Long-Finger Gloves

[Joan Oppel]

I wear regular mittens all winter long, not specific for biking.  They're fine.  If it's really cold, I can slip on lightweight  full finger gloves underneath the mittens.  It all works fine, don't notice the absence of padding.  Joan  On 03/07/13, Jim Mather wrote: Well, I looked again and found the Giro Zero, which is apparently anunpadded short-finger glove:http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/gloves/aero-tri/zero.htmlI may have to try a pair.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.



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[RBW] Re: New AHH 56cm 650B Build

[Daniel]

David,
Congrats on the 650B AHH!
I'll defer to the experts about the BB and cranks.
I'll chime in, though, on the 8 speed cassette and old derailers: I'm 
running an 8 speed cassette with cool old Shimano Deer Head derailer. I was 
skeptical, but my friend from LBS said to go for it and, much to my 
surprise, it works great.
Daniel
Yorba Linda, CA

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:01:42 AM UTC-8, Davidbea wrote:

> Just made the call and my new A Homer Hilsen frame is on its way. I would 
> appreciate some guidance on the build. I am looking to work with my local 
> LBS as well as people in the group. 
> What's the difference between the Sugino XD600 and the XD2? Rivendell 
> suggests using a 110mm bottom bracket with any of their bikes with the XD2 
> and information on the XD600 suggests a 113mm. Is the 113 suggestion a 
> generic or safer (more clearance) one? Suggestions? I like the idea of 
> using older derailleurs like Suntours or similar Shimanos for the aesthetic 
> but want to run the triple crank and the 8 speed cassette. Will that work? 
> I'm more than okay with friction shifting and might use some Suntour down 
> tube shifters. Thanks in advance for the help.
> David
>

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[RBW] Re: New AHH 56cm 650B Build

[IanA]

Friction on 8 speed works great.  Have you considered building with dynamo 
lighting?  

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:01:42 PM UTC-7, Davidbea wrote:
>
> Just made the call and my new A Homer Hilsen frame is on its way. I would 
> appreciate some guidance on the build. I am looking to work with my local 
> LBS as well as people in the group.
> What's the difference between the Sugino XD600 and the XD2? Rivendell 
> suggests using a 110mm bottom bracket with any of their bikes with the XD2 
> and information on the XD600 suggests a 113mm. Is the 113 suggestion a 
> generic or safer (more clearance) one? Suggestions? I like the idea of 
> using older derailleurs like Suntours or similar Shimanos for the aesthetic 
> but want to run the triple crank and the 8 speed cassette. Will that work? 
> I'm more than okay with friction shifting and might use some Suntour down 
> tube shifters. Thanks in advance for the help.
> David
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Whew! Optional stoker-controlled auxiliary brake seems like a decent idea. 
The BB7, especially the most recent version, is as good as it gets for 
mechanical discs. Hydraulic discs (I like Avid Code or Code R for 
heavy-duty applications) are awesome, but no elegant drop bar option yet.


On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:41:20 AM UTC-6, Salween wrote:
>
> Jim, 
>
> Thanks for the info, others too! Seems like this V brake clearance thing 
> is a non-issue so long as I get the right brake.  
>
> The brake will be supplemental (stoker controlled) to the discs--just in 
> case on those long descents with gear. I'm new to the disc thing so the 
> extra insurance seemed prudent. Most of the time it won't even be on the 
> bike, but when we decide to venture into terrain we feel may warrant it, 
> just a 10-minuite add-on. We'll get a good taste straight away as we'll 
> collect the bike a few miles from RBW HQ, so its going to see a bit of Mt. 
> Diablo for a couple of weeks before it returns with us to Thailand.
>
> Since you mentioned it, if you or others have any mechanical disc 
> suggestions beyond the Avid BB7 or Bengal caliper/Shimano Ice rotor combo, 
> would love to hear them. 
>
> Owen
>
> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:09:34 PM UTC+7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
>>
>> Just reread your post about this being for a CoMo Java. Why on earth 
>> aren't you getting disc brakes?!!!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Experience with Long-Finger Gloves

[Joe K]

Another vote in favor of non-sports-specific hand wear...I use full
finger gloves.  Any kind that seems warm enough, no special bumps or
pads.

In summer, I do like the plain summer gloves Riv sells -- just a small
amount of padding.  I used to like heavily-padded ones, but I must
have changed my mind I guess.

Joe K

On Mar 7, 3:55 pm, Joan Oppel  wrote:
> I wear regular mittens all winter long, not specific for biking.  They're 
> fine.  If it's really cold, I can slip on lightweight  full finger gloves 
> underneath the mittens.  It all works fine, don't notice the absence of 
> padding.
>
> Joan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 03/07/13,Jim Matherwrote:
>
> Well, I looked again and found the Giro Zero, which is apparently an
> unpadded short-finger 
> glove:http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/gloves/aero-tri/zero.html
> I may have to try a pair.
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[RBW] Re: New AHH 56cm 650B Build

[Mike Schiller]

some of us have used a 107 BB with the SD2 and it had just enough room.  A 
110 BBb should work with both.  
As far as 8 speed cassettes, I've used everythng from 10 speed Campy to 7 
Speed Suntour derailleurs and they all shifted fine in friction mode.

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Midge, again

[PATRICK MOORE]

Sorry if this got mixed up between the RBW and iBob lists -- dunno how.

At any rate, I'm a'gonna try it this evening. Preheat oven to 450,
bake for 45 minutes turning regularly. Serve hot with finely chopped
cilantro. Serves 12.

Will report.

Patrick Moore, who has been eagerly cooking Indian and Chinese meat
dishes as a prelude to this Sunday's Meatfare feast, the last meat
until Pascha on 5/5 -- Orthodox behind everyone else, as usual.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Philip Williamson
 wrote:
> Are you going to remove flare from a Midge bar, or modify a Noodle for
> offroad use? I think the original Cunningham offroad drops were custom-bent
> Cinelli bars. I don't think I'd want an offroad drop that wasn't heat
> treated, though. You might be able to heat treat your modified bars in the
> oven ("How hard could it be?" Note: I'm an artist, not an engineer).
>
> Philip
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>
>
> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:37:58 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I'm gonna try it. Bending bike metal -- whoo hoo!
>>
>> BTW, I wuz mistook when I thought that the discussion began on another
>> list. Ignore me, as usual.
>>
>> Are Nitto 42s heat treated? If not, man, bending those into a flare
>> would make a very nice off road bar!
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Alistair Spence 
>> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Matt H  wrote:
>> >> A recent Midge Mod.
>> >> Long story short, a millwright at work very kindly helped me modify
>> >> 'em.  He
>> >> spun off some aluminum plugs (I think 5cm long) to extend the grip
>> >> section
>> >
>> >
>> > Nice. I did the same thing for my mustache bars a few years back and
>> > found it to be helpful,
>> >
>> >  http://www.flickr.com/photos/duncancycles/3746332441/in/photostream
>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/duncancycles/3747121190/in/photostream/
>> >
>> > As I wrote in the other Midge related thread, I'm not crazy about the
>> > bending the h'bars mod., but I sure hope it works out fine for you.
>> >
>> > Alistair.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Midge, again

[PATRICK MOORE]

Kellie: Very nice bike. How fat a tire will the Vaya take?
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On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Kellie Stapleton
 wrote:
> I didn't tell you, I really like these bars. Hope the pix helped.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:08:02 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I like that Vaya a lot!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Kellie Stapleton 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 10:54:42 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 A woman on this list declared her intention a month or so ago to
 install a Midge. I'd be interested in hearing her opinion of it, and
 learning how she set it up.

 Me, I am still of mixed minds. (Howzat for a weird metaphor.) On the
 one hand, it is, both overall one of the better compromises for on-
 and off-road; the hoods are better than those of the 46 cm Noodles
 (which were too damn' wide) and the hooks, tho' even wider, are as
 comfortable because so much nearer and shallower. Compared to 42 cm
 Noodles, the Midge is as comfortable on the hoods (this is where, for
 me, the Midge shines) but considerably less so in the hooks -- again,
 width and, also, because you simply can't set up the hooks to be
 parallel to the ground: they are far too shallow and short.

 OTOH, the 42 Noodles were useless on anything except firm surfaces,
 while the Midge is wide enough even at the hoods to offer considerable
 leverage and,  in the hooks, gives all the control you need.

 My problems with the Midge are (1) the great width in the hooks and
 (2) how the slanted hooks make my very sensitive left palm suffer.
 This last may be helped with even more added padding. As to the first,
 I am wondering if I should lower the bar (currently ~2 cm above
 saddle) a cm or two and use the hooks, not the hoods, as the cruising
 position. But this means that, off road, the hooks will be hard to use
 on steep drop-offs where you need maximum grip and braking.

 Perhaps the solution is to have a separate off-road bike that I can
 set up without any compromise for road riding ...

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Re: [RBW] interview with Ritchey on steel, gravel, wide tires and "innovation"

[Daniel]

 

Yeah, I enjoyed that film.

 

This might be a difference in semantics, but I understood the bike he built 
for John Finley Scott (RIP!) to be a Woodsie (with flat bars). And the 
Woodsies weren't mountain bikes. Had they been mountain bikes, we wouldn't 
credit the Repack Riders with inventing the mountain bike, right? 

 

I can't find the link at the moment, but the NAHBS site made mention of 
the Woodsie Ritchey built for JFS as a precursor to the mountain bike (i.e. 
not a mountain bike). 

 

Potatoe, puh-ta-toe...I'd love blast down Mt. Tam on one whatever it was.

 

Daniel

Yorba Linda, CA
 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 9:22:05 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:

> Have you seen the video by Jay Ritchey:  http://vimeo.com/47207697
>
> Tom says he was building a 650B before Joe Breeze and Gary Fisher 
> approached him.  
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Re: [RBW] The Tri-I lasts forever

[PATRICK MOORE]

I don't get it. No descr, no pic: what is it, exactly?

Patrick "not slow, just dumb" Moore, puzzled, in ABQ, NM [where it has
been BEAOOTIFOOL and in the upper 60s over the last coupla days
WITHOUT the usual howling spring winds {just 14 SSW today}, and who
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weighs per my digital scale 17.2 lb built with cage and pedals but
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On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Tonester  wrote:
> Review submitted.  I gotta get me some/none of those!
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 3:03:14 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
>>
>> O snap!  Now there are two reviews.  Now I gotta get in on that
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 3:01:43 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
>>>
>>> I wrote a review, but decided that was too stupid, even for me.  So I
>>> didn't submit it.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 2:55:14 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:

 Don't neglect to add your review of the item.

 On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM, William  wrote:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/infinite.htm
>
> It lasts forever, and Rivendell has an infinite supply of it.  It's the
> Infinite Inventory Item.  I'm calling it the Tri-I.  Only a dollar!
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[RBW] FS_56 Atlantis, F/F/HS

[frank_a]

 Hi All,
 I'm offering a 56 Atlantis frameset for sale. It's an early one with
the nice pointy lugs. The frame is in nice condition with some paint
scratches here and there, no dents just normal stuff. Some paint loss
at the chainstay from a bit of chain suck but otherwise very, very
nice.
 I've got a few too many Riv's at the house ...
Asking 1000.00 plus actual shipping (and insured for the purchase
price).
There's a set of photos which should tell the story. Feel free to ask
any questions and I'll be happy to answer them.
 Thanks,
 - Frank
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8531240@N06/sets/72157632918581568/

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[RBW] Re: FS_56 Atlantis, F/F/HS

[rcnute]

 Great bike from a great seller and Rivendellian!

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64/66cm Orange Ram

[Ryan Ray]

Oops, here are some photos

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/8413561391/in/photostream


- Ryan



On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:45:27 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> I have the opportunity to pick up one of two really big, big dummies for a 
> great price. So, I'm selling my other pricey bike perfect for the rides I 
> don't have time for anymore. 
>
> This is exploratory a bit. I'm not sure i could part with it but if I can 
> get the right price I will. After that family bike post here the other day 
> I went from thinking about a big dummy to actually wanting to buy one to 
> finding one on CL and remember a list member in the area had one as well.  
>
> 66 c to t
> Orange
>
> All parts less than 2 years old other than headset/bb/seat post. 
>
> Xt rapid rise
> Big noodles
> Tektro levers
> Brand new tektro brakes, the new model 
> XD2 triple
> Mks touring pedals
> New 32mm pasela TGs
> New sks p45s with a VO leather flap
> 105/open sport wheelset
> All new cables/housing
>
> I'm sure I'm forgetting some detail. 
>
> I would also be interested in a partial trade for a cheap skinny tire ok 
> steel road bike for the rare occasions I will get out when it's not 
> raining. But not more than a few hindered dollars. I need the rest of the 
> cash for the big dummy. 
>
> If you are interested please send me an offer. 
>
>
> - Ryan
>
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Re: [RBW] Work Shop Advice II

[GeorgeS]

The work shop that I mentioned previously is coming along.  I decided to 
enclose a car port unused since Katrina.  Probably two weeks away from 
moving in.  I tried to post pictures but was told that the jpg were too 
large - something about a limit of 2000 pixels.  I'm not sufficiently 
computer savvy to know what to do about that.  If someone is, let me know 
and I'll try to post them.  I have had no problem sending the same pictures 
via my gmail account.  
GeorgeS



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> Please post photos of the workshop when it is finished -- thanks! 
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 8:27 AM, GeorgeS > 
> wrote: 
> > My new work shop is coming along and the contractor has started asking 
> me 
> > about the interior.  I have a Park bike stand that I use all the time 
> and 
> > that I intend to use in the new shop.  I find that stand inadequate for 
> some 
> > jobs, particularly those requiring the application of significant torque 
> > (removing fixed cup, the occasional recalcitrant seat post, etc.)  So, I 
> > purchased a Park wall-mounted bike clamp.  It came with no instructions. 
> > Anyone have any advice on how far off the floor to install this thing? 
>  700c 
> > wheels touching the floor?  A couple of inches of additional space? 
>  Higher? 
> > This clamp has to be screwed into a stud, so I don't want to get it 
> right 
> > the first time if possible.  Thanks. 
> > GeorgeS 
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Re: [RBW] Work Shop Advice II

[Seth Vidal]

You should be able to upload them to google plus and link to them from there

https://plus.google.com/

-sv



On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM, GeorgeS  wrote:

> The work shop that I mentioned previously is coming along.  I decided to
> enclose a car port unused since Katrina.  Probably two weeks away from
> moving in.  I tried to post pictures but was told that the jpg were too
> large - something about a limit of 2000 pixels.  I'm not sufficiently
> computer savvy to know what to do about that.  If someone is, let me know
> and I'll try to post them.  I have had no problem sending the same pictures
> via my gmail account.
> GeorgeS
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2013 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Please post photos of the workshop when it is finished -- thanks!
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 8:27 AM, GeorgeS  wrote:
>> > My new work shop is coming along and the contractor has started asking
>> me
>> > about the interior.  I have a Park bike stand that I use all the time
>> and
>> > that I intend to use in the new shop.  I find that stand inadequate for
>> some
>> > jobs, particularly those requiring the application of significant
>> torque
>> > (removing fixed cup, the occasional recalcitrant seat post, etc.)  So,
>> I
>> > purchased a Park wall-mounted bike clamp.  It came with no
>> instructions.
>> > Anyone have any advice on how far off the floor to install this thing?
>>  700c
>> > wheels touching the floor?  A couple of inches of additional space?
>>  Higher?
>> > This clamp has to be screwed into a stud, so I don't want to get it
>> right
>> > the first time if possible.  Thanks.
>> > GeorgeS
>> > New Orleans
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[RBW] Re: FS: 64/66cm Orange Ram

[Ryan Ray]

Settled on $1400 plus shipping but I'm going to hold it for a local guy 
this weekend. I'll bump the post Monday if he doesn't pick it up.

- Ryan





On Thursday, March 7, 2013 1:59:33 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> Oops, here are some photos
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/8413561391/in/photostream
>
>
> - Ryan
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:45:27 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>> I have the opportunity to pick up one of two really big, big dummies for 
>> a great price. So, I'm selling my other pricey bike perfect for the rides I 
>> don't have time for anymore. 
>>
>> This is exploratory a bit. I'm not sure i could part with it but if I can 
>> get the right price I will. After that family bike post here the other day 
>> I went from thinking about a big dummy to actually wanting to buy one to 
>> finding one on CL and remember a list member in the area had one as well.  
>>
>> 66 c to t
>> Orange
>>
>> All parts less than 2 years old other than headset/bb/seat post. 
>>
>> Xt rapid rise
>> Big noodles
>> Tektro levers
>> Brand new tektro brakes, the new model 
>> XD2 triple
>> Mks touring pedals
>> New 32mm pasela TGs
>> New sks p45s with a VO leather flap
>> 105/open sport wheelset
>> All new cables/housing
>>
>> I'm sure I'm forgetting some detail. 
>>
>> I would also be interested in a partial trade for a cheap skinny tire ok 
>> steel road bike for the rare occasions I will get out when it's not 
>> raining. But not more than a few hindered dollars. I need the rest of the 
>> cash for the big dummy. 
>>
>> If you are interested please send me an offer. 
>>
>>
>> - Ryan
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64/66cm Orange Ram

[Alex Moll]

If he needs a bike like that, he'd be a fool to pass it up for that price. 
I certainly don't need it, but I'm sorely tempted. Nice ride!
Cheers,
Alex

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 3:20:23 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> Settled on $1400 plus shipping but I'm going to hold it for a local guy 
> this weekend. I'll bump the post Monday if he doesn't pick it up.
>
> - Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 1:59:33 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>> Oops, here are some photos
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/8413561391/in/photostream
>>
>>
>> - Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:45:27 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the opportunity to pick up one of two really big, big dummies for 
>>> a great price. So, I'm selling my other pricey bike perfect for the rides I 
>>> don't have time for anymore. 
>>>
>>> This is exploratory a bit. I'm not sure i could part with it but if I 
>>> can get the right price I will. After that family bike post here the other 
>>> day I went from thinking about a big dummy to actually wanting to buy one 
>>> to finding one on CL and remember a list member in the area had one as 
>>> well.  
>>>
>>> 66 c to t
>>> Orange
>>>
>>> All parts less than 2 years old other than headset/bb/seat post. 
>>>
>>> Xt rapid rise
>>> Big noodles
>>> Tektro levers
>>> Brand new tektro brakes, the new model 
>>> XD2 triple
>>> Mks touring pedals
>>> New 32mm pasela TGs
>>> New sks p45s with a VO leather flap
>>> 105/open sport wheelset
>>> All new cables/housing
>>>
>>> I'm sure I'm forgetting some detail. 
>>>
>>> I would also be interested in a partial trade for a cheap skinny tire ok 
>>> steel road bike for the rare occasions I will get out when it's not 
>>> raining. But not more than a few hindered dollars. I need the rest of the 
>>> cash for the big dummy. 
>>>
>>> If you are interested please send me an offer. 
>>>
>>>
>>> - Ryan
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 64/66cm Orange Ram

[Lyle Bogart]

Oh, very nice. . . and my size. . . must. . . resist. . .

Cheers!

lyle

On 7 March 2013 18:20, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Settled on $1400 plus shipping but I'm going to hold it for a local guy
> this weekend. I'll bump the post Monday if he doesn't pick it up.
>
> - Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 1:59:33 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>> Oops, here are some photos
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**ryanrray/8413561391/in/**photostream
>>
>>
>> - Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:45:27 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the opportunity to pick up one of two really big, big dummies for
>>> a great price. So, I'm selling my other pricey bike perfect for the rides I
>>> don't have time for anymore.
>>>
>>> This is exploratory a bit. I'm not sure i could part with it but if I
>>> can get the right price I will. After that family bike post here the other
>>> day I went from thinking about a big dummy to actually wanting to buy one
>>> to finding one on CL and remember a list member in the area had one as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> 66 c to t
>>> Orange
>>>
>>> All parts less than 2 years old other than headset/bb/seat post.
>>>
>>> Xt rapid rise
>>> Big noodles
>>> Tektro levers
>>> Brand new tektro brakes, the new model
>>> XD2 triple
>>> Mks touring pedals
>>> New 32mm pasela TGs
>>> New sks p45s with a VO leather flap
>>> 105/open sport wheelset
>>> All new cables/housing
>>>
>>> I'm sure I'm forgetting some detail.
>>>
>>> I would also be interested in a partial trade for a cheap skinny tire ok
>>> steel road bike for the rare occasions I will get out when it's not
>>> raining. But not more than a few hindered dollars. I need the rest of the
>>> cash for the big dummy.
>>>
>>> If you are interested please send me an offer.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Ryan
>>>
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[RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[hsmitham]

Thanks everyone for all the information. I think after hearing the 
different takes on a trailer I feel I'm a pannier guy. Just seems simpler. 

Hugh
Sunland, CA

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>
> Agreed- Amtrak is very easy. I was thinking local trains where the extra 
> length can be a pain. 

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[RBW] Re: Experience with Long-Finger Gloves

[Deacon Patrick]

No padding. I use either Ibex Shak double glove or Filson goatskin glove 
with wool liner. Generally anything above 40 I do not use a glove.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:51:23 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I've been experimenting with gloves and hand comfort, and it seems like 
> unpadded gloves work better for me. For some reason, the padding in most 
> gloves seems to cause problems for my hands that I don't have when I'm not 
> wearing gloves. 
>
> In fact, when I rode the Death Valley event last weekend I was gloveless 
> most of the day and my hands and arms felt great. 
>
> Does anybody have experience with unpadded short-fingered gloves *or* 
> long-fingered gloves (like these: 
> http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp?page=8&description=Rivet+Long+Finger+Gloves&vendorCode=GIRO&major=4&minor=22)?
>  
>
>
> Thanks in advance. 
>
> --Eric N 
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[RBW] Re: Experience with Long-Finger Gloves

[Kellie Stapleton]

yep long fingered glove, unpadded for mtn. biking. If it's on the cool side 
I might even wear them on the road. If it's cold (under 40˚) I wear Pearl 
Izumi lobster gloves. I usually always wear some kind of glove, and none of 
them are padded. Short fingered, usually on the road.

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:51:23 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I've been experimenting with gloves and hand comfort, and it seems like 
> unpadded gloves work better for me. For some reason, the padding in most 
> gloves seems to cause problems for my hands that I don't have when I'm not 
> wearing gloves. 
>
> In fact, when I rode the Death Valley event last weekend I was gloveless 
> most of the day and my hands and arms felt great. 
>
> Does anybody have experience with unpadded short-fingered gloves *or* 
> long-fingered gloves (like these: 
> http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp?page=8&description=Rivet+Long+Finger+Gloves&vendorCode=GIRO&major=4&minor=22)?
>  
>
>
> Thanks in advance. 
>
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

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[RBW] Re: OT Anyone have experience with this trailer?

[Deacon Patrick]

Take my advice with a grain of salt. Grant just forbid me from giving 
product advice because I mentioned to him how great the possum wool socks 
are -- so warm that I've run in them with my leather soled moccasins at 
-15˚F. After he stopped laughing (at me for being an idiot), he said I 
should never give anyone product advice. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:31:37 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone for all the information. I think after hearing the 
> different takes on a trailer I feel I'm a pannier guy. Just seems simpler. 
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 9:22:06 AM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:
>>
>> Agreed- Amtrak is very easy. I was thinking local trains where the extra 
>> length can be a pain. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Experience with Long-Finger Gloves

[Bruce Herbitter]

In the event that I take a spill and have to "abandon" the bike, a glove is
preferred over palm skin as a road contact surface. The main reason I wear
them even when warm. It IS more comfy on a hot day to eschew the hand
covers.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

>  Generally anything above 40 I do not use a glove.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

[Tom Goodmann]

So, my naive question this week is: why do so many frames bear the scars of 
chain suck?  I make no boasts about my own riding, none at all, in terms of 
distance, longevity, or rigor. but I can't think of more than a couple of 
times I've ever thrown a chain.  What causes the chain suck? 
 Over-shifting? (missing a gear or two or three)  Shifting hard on a climb? 
 Is this an issue that has gone away for those riding with indexed 
shifting, and so more of an issue with friction-shifters?  Really just 
wondering.  If this question is too dumb for words, you can reply off-line: 
tgoodmann-at-gmail, etc.

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[RBW] Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Chain suck is primarily caused by a combination of chain/chainring wear, filth, 
and lack of finesse in one's shifting technique.

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Re: [RBW] Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Not a dumb question at all. I just came across this:

http://fagan.co.za/Bikes/Csuck/

Haven't read it, but it's a Sheldon referral, so likely to be good. (I
plan to read it myself.)

The general reason is that the chain does not disengage from the
bottom of the inner chainring; thus the chain gets pulled up and
(don't know the reason for *this part*) and also moves inward and
jammed between ring and stay. But being pulled up on the bottom of the
inner ring is one of the general conditions.
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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Tom Goodmann  wrote:
> So, my naive question this week is: why do so many frames bear the scars of
> chain suck?  I make no boasts about my own riding, none at all, in terms of
> distance, longevity, or rigor. but I can't think of more than a couple of
> times I've ever thrown a chain.  What causes the chain suck?  Over-shifting?
> (missing a gear or two or three)  Shifting hard on a climb?  Is this an
> issue that has gone away for those riding with indexed shifting, and so more
> of an issue with friction-shifters?  Really just wondering.  If this
> question is too dumb for words, you can reply off-line: tgoodmann-at-gmail,
> etc.
>
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[RBW] Ride around Victor CO, then long descent home

[Deacon Patrick]

We've had some warm days (in the 40's and 50's), though we're due up to a 
foot of snow on Saturday (we dearly need it), so I took advantage and did a 
grand ride, with a great 2 mile section of sloppy, slushy, semi-frozen mud 
puddled fire road equivalent at the turn around point. Wondrous! 

I love having a bike that can do that, then handle the pavement winding 
descent at 45 mph, with equal aplomb. Delicious! All said, about 45 miles 
and a good chunk of time on first gear.

Two photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/8538670080/in/photostream

WIth abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Ride around Victor CO, then long descent home

[Don Compton]

Patrick,
Thanks for your great picks. These are epic rides.
Sincerely, Don Compton

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:16:27 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> We've had some warm days (in the 40's and 50's), though we're due up to a 
> foot of snow on Saturday (we dearly need it), so I took advantage and did a 
> grand ride, with a great 2 mile section of sloppy, slushy, semi-frozen mud 
> puddled fire road equivalent at the turn around point. Wondrous! 
>
> I love having a bike that can do that, then handle the pavement winding 
> descent at 45 mph, with equal aplomb. Delicious! All said, about 45 miles 
> and a good chunk of time on first gear.
>
> Two photos:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/8538670080/in/photostream
>
> WIth abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

[dougP]

Tom:

My experiences with chain suck have occurred when shifting between the 
middle & inner chainring.  When it happens, the chain is mostly on the 
inner ring BUT some of it has gotten "sucked" between the middle ring & 
chainstay, resulting in paint removal at the least & much tugging & cursing 
at the worst.  Jim has suggested specific conditions, and I concur with the 
technique issue.  Mine almost always happen when faced with an unexpected 
need for granny over middle, such as rounding a corner & seeing an "oh 
crap" grade change, and just flopping the shift lever & hoping for the 
best.  Wear, lubrication, maintenance, are also possible culprits but I'll 
lay most of my experiences to simply being clumsy.  Covers a lot of other 
sins as well.  

There was a recent thread discussing chain ring spacing that got me to 
looking at my set-up & there is visually more space between my middle & 
inner than middle & outer.  I intend to pursue this question but getting 
around to actually measuring & figuring out some spacers, etc., is a 
project for "one of these days".  

The quick fix is a bottle of touch up paint.  

dougP

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 6:32:14 PM UTC-8, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> So, my naive question this week is: why do so many frames bear the scars 
> of chain suck?  I make no boasts about my own riding, none at all, in terms 
> of distance, longevity, or rigor. but I can't think of more than a couple 
> of times I've ever thrown a chain.  What causes the chain suck? 
>  Over-shifting? (missing a gear or two or three)  Shifting hard on a climb? 
>  Is this an issue that has gone away for those riding with indexed 
> shifting, and so more of an issue with friction-shifters?  Really just 
> wondering.  If this question is too dumb for words, you can reply off-line: 
> tgoodmann-at-gmail, etc.

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[RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

[Deacon Patrick]

Until today, the only chain suck I've had was user ineptitude. But I 
managed to gunk up my chain rings on a gloriously sloppy ride and they too 
a few miles to self-clean (the primary means my Hunqa has of getting clean).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:32:14 PM UTC-7, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> So, my naive question this week is: why do so many frames bear the scars 
> of chain suck?  I make no boasts about my own riding, none at all, in terms 
> of distance, longevity, or rigor. but I can't think of more than a couple 
> of times I've ever thrown a chain.  What causes the chain suck? 
>  Over-shifting? (missing a gear or two or three)  Shifting hard on a climb? 
>  Is this an issue that has gone away for those riding with indexed 
> shifting, and so more of an issue with friction-shifters?  Really just 
> wondering.  If this question is too dumb for words, you can reply off-line: 
> tgoodmann-at-gmail, etc.

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[RBW] Re: New AHH 56cm 650B Build

[Pondero]

Hi David, I'm using a Sugino triple, 8-speed cassette, and moved my Silver 
friction shifters to the bar ends.  All this on my 56cm AHH 650b.  I couldn't 
be happier.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 19:24 -0800, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> Until today, the only chain suck I've had was user ineptitude. But I
> managed to gunk up my chain rings on a gloriously sloppy ride and they
> too a few miles to self-clean (the primary means my Hunqa has of
> getting clean).

A friend of mine had a serious chain suck problem on a road bike that
turned out to be a bent tooth on the chain ring.  She must have hit the
ring on a concrete step getting down into the basement.



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Re: [RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

[René Sterental]

I just got my Hunqapillar back from the painter last week, and today my LBS
installed the headset, BB and crankset. I decided to install the stock Riv
26/40, although may go down to 24 in the future.

The thing is, the Phil BB had to be shifted to the right all the way, with
the left side flush with the BB shell/frame in order for the 40 ring to
clear the chain stay. In fact, there is about 1mm between the sharp teeth
of the chainring and the chain stay. Do I need to up to a larger BB
spindle? I think I have a 111, so next size up is 113.

What do you guys think? Do I need more clearance between the ring and the
chain stay? Actually, the 26 is also very close to the chain stay. I used
to have a 24/36/46 before.

Thanks,

René


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM, charlie  wrote:

>  I know quite a few people are going nuts over uber wide cassettes and two
> rings so maybe they are on to something. Either way steel rings are a good
> investment. I purchased Surly stainless rings (44&34) and they work fine on
> my triple with a steel 24 tooth.
>
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2013 7:15:38 PM UTC-8, Jared Volpe wrote:
>
>> So I want to do a 40/24 double mod with a Sugino double FD.
>> rly
>> Any suggestions out there? Stainless? Aluminium? More than 24t on the
>> granny? Lessons learned? Chainrings you are happy with?  I've been talking
>> offline with Keven (original inspiration?), lister Jeremy (who is going to
>> help me out once i dial in the parts/setup) and lister Zach who made the
>> mod himself... but I wanted to open it up to the group.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jared
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS_56 Atlantis, F/F/HS

[C.J. Filip]

Looks familiarhere's a teaser to help Frank towards a quick sale:
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/599514_603623966271_37588685_n.jpg

On Mar 7, 1:49 pm, rcnute  wrote:
>  Great bike from a great seller and Rivendellian!
>
> Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Ride around Victor CO, then long descent home

[Michael]

Patrick,
 
Do you experience vertigo 24/7?
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS_56 Atlantis, F/F/HS

[Dave]

I hate to ask, but are you sure that's a 56 cm?  Looks taller than that...

On 3/7/2013 8:06 PM, C.J. Filip wrote:

Looks familiarhere's a teaser to help Frank towards a quick sale:
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/599514_603623966271_37588685_n.jpg

On Mar 7, 1:49 pm, rcnute  wrote:

  Great bike from a great seller and Rivendellian!

Ryan


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Re: [RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

[William]

Yes, I do think you want a slightly longer BB when you switch from a triple 
to a supercompact double.  

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:45:38 PM UTC-8, René wrote:
>
> I just got my Hunqapillar back from the painter last week, and today my 
> LBS installed the headset, BB and crankset. I decided to install the stock 
> Riv 26/40, although may go down to 24 in the future.
>
> The thing is, the Phil BB had to be shifted to the right all the way, with 
> the left side flush with the BB shell/frame in order for the 40 ring to 
> clear the chain stay. In fact, there is about 1mm between the sharp teeth 
> of the chainring and the chain stay. Do I need to up to a larger BB 
> spindle? I think I have a 111, so next size up is 113.
>
> What do you guys think? Do I need more clearance between the ring and the 
> chain stay? Actually, the 26 is also very close to the chain stay. I used 
> to have a 24/36/46 before.
>
> Thanks,
>
> René
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM, charlie 
> > wrote:
>
>>  I know quite a few people are going nuts over uber wide cassettes and 
>> two rings so maybe they are on to something. Either way steel rings are a 
>> good investment. I purchased Surly stainless rings (44&34) and they work 
>> fine on my triple with a steel 24 tooth.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 21, 2013 7:15:38 PM UTC-8, Jared Volpe wrote:
>>
>>> So I want to do a 40/24 double mod with a Sugino double FD.  
>>> rly 
>>> Any suggestions out there? Stainless? Aluminium? More than 24t on the 
>>> granny? Lessons learned? Chainrings you are happy with?  I've been talking 
>>> offline with Keven (original inspiration?), lister Jeremy (who is going to 
>>> help me out once i dial in the parts/setup) and lister Zach who made the 
>>> mod himself... but I wanted to open it up to the group.  
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 40/24 double mod on Bombadil

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

yes... longer BB sounds like the ticket.
my 2 cents.
--Smitty

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:45:38 PM UTC-8, René wrote:
>
> I just got my Hunqapillar back from the painter last week, and today my 
> LBS installed the headset, BB and crankset. I decided to install the stock 
> Riv 26/40, although may go down to 24 in the future.
>
> The thing is, the Phil BB had to be shifted to the right all the way, with 
> the left side flush with the BB shell/frame in order for the 40 ring to 
> clear the chain stay. In fact, there is about 1mm between the sharp teeth 
> of the chainring and the chain stay. Do I need to up to a larger BB 
> spindle? I think I have a 111, so next size up is 113.
>
> What do you guys think? Do I need more clearance between the ring and the 
> chain stay? Actually, the 26 is also very close to the chain stay. I used 
> to have a 24/36/46 before.
>
> Thanks,
>
> René
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM, charlie 
> > wrote:
>
>>  I know quite a few people are going nuts over uber wide cassettes and 
>> two rings so maybe they are on to something. Either way steel rings are a 
>> good investment. I purchased Surly stainless rings (44&34) and they work 
>> fine on my triple with a steel 24 tooth.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 21, 2013 7:15:38 PM UTC-8, Jared Volpe wrote:
>>
>>> So I want to do a 40/24 double mod with a Sugino double FD.  
>>> rly 
>>> Any suggestions out there? Stainless? Aluminium? More than 24t on the 
>>> granny? Lessons learned? Chainrings you are happy with?  I've been talking 
>>> offline with Keven (original inspiration?), lister Jeremy (who is going to 
>>> help me out once i dial in the parts/setup) and lister Zach who made the 
>>> mod himself... but I wanted to open it up to the group.  
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride around Victor CO, then long descent home

[Deacon Patrick]

Yes. That's the joy of neurological vertigo. It's a wild amusement park 
ride you can't get off. Sardonic grin. The proprioceptive system (the body 
knowing where it is based on input from the feet, among other sources) is 
amazing. If I were to wear regular shoes, I could not walk, run, or bike. 
But in leather soled moccasins or barefoot -- my body knows where it is and 
my brain has learned to give up trying to figure it out.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 9:17:50 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>  
> Do you experience vertigo 24/7?
>  
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[RBW] Re: Ride around Victor CO, then long descent home

[Michael]

>
> So the world around you appears to move constantly (like when dizzy)?
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[RBW] Re: FS: Specialized Allez

[cyclotourist]

Red Allez is riding off into the sunset with a new owner!
Thanks!


On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:47 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> 57cm center to center American Flyer special. $300+ shipping.
> Please reply off list if you would like more info.
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8534679375/in/photostream/lightbox/
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>
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> can't chew it." -*Mark Twain*
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[RBW] Re: Ride around Victor CO, then long descent home

[Deacon Patrick]

The opposite, actually. I always feel two axes of motion. Imagine being in 
one of those "Da Vinci Man" gyroscope test piolet spinning things at a 
state fair. No imagine that is your seat in a roller coaster that moves 
randomly in any direction, any arc, any speed, etc. That's my ride.

WIth abandon,
Patrick 

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>
> So the world around you appears to move constantly (like when dizzy)?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New AHH 56cm 650B Build

[cyclotourist]

Friction 6, 7 or 8 speed you can run pretty much whatever you have. Real
nice like that!


On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Pondero  wrote:

> Hi David, I'm using a Sugino triple, 8-speed cassette, and moved my Silver
> friction shifters to the bar ends.  All this on my 56cm AHH 650b.  I
> couldn't be happier.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS_56 Atlantis, F/F/HS

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

That looks about right. The 56 cm Atlantis is the largest size to sport 26" 
wheels so the frame will look bigger than usual due to the relatively small 
wheels.


On Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:20:15 PM UTC-8, Dave Faller wrote:
>
> I hate to ask, but are you sure that's a 56 cm?  Looks taller than that... 
>
> On 3/7/2013 8:06 PM, C.J. Filip wrote: 
> > Looks familiarhere's a teaser to help Frank towards a quick sale: 
> > 
> http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/599514_603623966271_37588685_n.jpg 
> > 
> > On Mar 7, 1:49 pm, rcnute  wrote: 
> >>   Great bike from a great seller and Rivendellian! 
> >> 
> >> Ryan 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS_56 Atlantis, F/F/HS

[Dave]

I forgot about that!  That explains my optical delusion...

On 3/7/2013 8:59 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
That looks about right. The 56 cm Atlantis is the largest size to 
sport 26" wheels so the frame will look bigger than usual due to the 
relatively small wheels.



On Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:20:15 PM UTC-8, Dave Faller wrote:

I hate to ask, but are you sure that's a 56 cm?  Looks taller than
that...

On 3/7/2013 8:06 PM, C.J. Filip wrote:
> Looks familiarhere's a teaser to help Frank towards a quick
sale:
>

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/599514_603623966271_37588685_n.jpg



>
> On Mar 7, 1:49 pm, rcnute  wrote:
>>   Great bike from a great seller and Rivendellian!
>>
>> Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Does anyone have any experience with the Public bikes basket on a Nitto M-12 front rack?

[Daniel M]

I have rigged up a Public Basket to a Nitto front rack on my Boulder All-Road. 
Public's spring-loaded bottom clamp mechanism does not give a particularly 
secure mount in the first place, so I have always augmented it on other racks 
with a pair of nylon straps.  In the case of the Nitto front rack, the rack is 
so narrow that the clamp is basically at the end of its travel, and it barely 
contacts the front of the rack where it has begun to taper.  However, with the 
use of the two nylon straps (one front, one rear) it ends up being quite 
secure.  For a bike that I ride every day, I want a front basket to hold my 
courier bag while I ride.  When I lock up the bike I just grab the courier bag 
and go.  Nothing stays on the bike except the basket itself - I carry my tool 
kit, extra layers, iPad, etc in the bag.  

However,  I LOVE being able to take the basket off in a matter of seconds and 
mount a randonneur bag in its place for recreational rides where I don't need 
to carry as much. Plus the Public basket is sized between the small and large 
Walds sold by Rivendell, and is about perfect for carrying my courier bag.

I took photos but have no idea how to embed them. Sigh.

Daniel 

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[RBW] FS: 61cm AHH F/F/HS/BB price drop

[Michael Williams]

Hey Group,   Up for sale is a used 61cm AHH F/F/HS/BB.   Its Toyo built, if 
that means anything.  Repainted Butterscotch.  Its 'creamier' in life than 
in the photos.   definitely used, never abused.   It has some paint chips 
here an there that i covered with nail polish.   Some chainsuck chips and a 
little wear on the inside left chainstay from tire rub I guess.   I 
sometimes squeezed 42s,  so that is my only guess. There is also some 
shellac residue on the headtube and a little on the DT and TT.   Headset is 
FSA   almost brand new,  oldish BB but still is smooth.Asking $1000+ 
shipping,  which is now way less than half of the newly priced AHHframes 
which would be roughly $2500 including tax.  thanks   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm AHH F/F/HS/BB price drop

[Eric]

Anyone looking to sell a 59cm!?

- Desperately Seeking A Homer Hilsen (DSAHH)

On Mar 8, 12:38 am, Michael Williams 
wrote:
> Hey Group,   Up for sale is a used 61cm AHH F/F/HS/BB.   Its Toyo built, if
> that means anything.  Repainted Butterscotch.  Its 'creamier' in life than
> in the photos.   definitely used, never abused.   It has some paint chips
> here an there that i covered with nail polish.   Some chainsuck chips and a
> little wear on the inside left chainstay from tire rub I guess.   I
> sometimes squeezed 42s,  so that is my only guess. There is also some
> shellac residue on the headtube and a little on the DT and TT.   Headset is
> FSA   almost brand new,  oldish BB but still is smooth.    Asking $1000+
> shipping,  which is now way less than half of the newly priced AHHframes
> which would be roughly $2500 including tax.      thanks   -Mike
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**9**2673144@N02/

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[RBW] Cut Brooks

[Brian Hanson]

I had a couple Brooks B17s sitting dormant, and have wanted an Imperial for
a while, so have tools, tolerance for risk = homemade Imperial in green and
copper! Riv content - it's going back on a copper Hilsen soon after I get
some miles on a Selle Anatomica Titanico X...

http://stonehog.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/b17-special-imperial-cut-diy/

Brian
Seattle, WA

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