[RBW] Beautiful 52cm custom on ebay

[cyclotourist]

Nice as is, but begs for a 650B conversion:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200882676560&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123



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Re: [RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

[Rob]

Sunday the 27th sounds good to me!

Rob in Seattle

On Friday, January 11, 2013 5:33:21 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> It's been awhile since I did this, but I have some pointers for dealing 
> with bends. Start in the middle of the bend and wrap in both directions 
> from there. That means you'll have to unroll the tape and start a few feet 
> in from the end. Cut the tape under the brake lever hood, and resume under 
> the other side of the lever hood.

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[RBW] Re: Why do my rides end up like this?

[IanA]

He looks like The Norwegian Captain to me.

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:56:48 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> We got lost. I blame Sean. His general saying was," Well if Grant can do 
> it..."
> All in good fun when no one gets hurt. 
> Stopped at a garage sale afterwards and pick up some swag. 
> Found a Seamen Captain. He needs a name. Any suggestions? 
>
> Pictures prove that garage sales are always reason to stop.
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDG4iAV
>
> -Manny "Pretty we're lost" Acosta
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[RBW] On chainsuck

[Paul Y]

My Hillborne and its Sugino XD2 are about 3 years old. I recently put a new 
chain on and had 100% reliable chain suck on the granny ring. 
Earl Grey helped me out with a replacement ring and I put it on this 
afternoon. Its interesting to note how severely burred the original ring is 
on several teeth.

I'm wondering if I filed down the burrs, if this chain ring could provide 
any further useful life, or if the profile is already beyond salvage. 

The new ring has solved the problem completely! 







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[RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

[Paul Y]

Superb video! I'd really like to try this now. 
Added Newbaums to the shopping list... 

Does anyone use shellac on bars done with this type of wrap? 

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[RBW] On chainsuck

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I always advocate the proper disposal of worn-out parts...but that ring looks 
like it may be reversible. File off the most prominent burrs, and flip the ring.

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[RBW] Re: Why do my rides end up like this?

[Ron Mc]

driving into work this morning, in the dark, there were two bicycles 
stopped at the end of the left shoulder on a limited access highway.  No 
lights.  
I know how they got there, but I can't imagine why.  So you weren't as lost 
as they were.  Glad you made the best of it.  

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:56:48 PM UTC-6, Manuel Acosta wrote:
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> We got lost. I blame Sean. His general saying was," Well if Grant can do 
> it..."
> All in good fun when no one gets hurt. 
> Stopped at a garage sale afterwards and pick up some swag. 
> Found a Seamen Captain. He needs a name. Any suggestions? 
>
> Pictures prove that garage sales are always reason to stop.
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDG4iAV
>
> -Manny "Pretty we're lost" Acosta
>

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Re: [RBW] New Blug Post with Jay Ritchey video

[PATRICK MOORE]

I was impressed by Mark's articulation and by the obvious lack of
"attitude" among the speakers.

Packing: the packing for frames and bikes I've received have been real
works of art in themselves.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Wow..I didn't know John left. To me he's almost as much "Rivendell" as
> Grant is. I'm sorry to see him go, and wish him well.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>
> On Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:46:56 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:
>
>> John got married and he and his wife (high school sweethearts
>> reconnected!) moved to Oregon in early Nov to be near family. Losing John
>> was gigantic, but I'm in contact with him daily and it's not all
>> pleasure---he may work a few hours a week for us. Mark is the new GM, and
>> we're all happy about that. It wasn't a case of -- having to promote from
>> within. Mark knows the job, conferred with John about it...and has been
>> doing great.
>> Anyway, we ALL miss John so much, and he'd have been great  in the video.
>> His office would have stolen the show.
>> Thank you all for liking it, and to whatever extent Rivendell Bicycle *
>> works*, now you know why. Originally Jay and I talked about a
>> ten-to-twelve minute videos, and that was the plan. And that was the
>> budget, too. A few months later, after all the shooting (I think everything
>> was one-take), Jay sent me a 29-minute vid (only the ultra-beginning, with
>> me ridng down the trail, and then the typeover was added). Jay is a
>> remarkable guy. He dives into things and seems to not know about learning
>> curves the way the rest of us do. Jay was a great employee and friend. You
>> can't know him without wanting to be more like him and feeling lucky. Super
>> guy and he did a great job.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:16:23 PM UTC-8, Mike Gillespie wrote:
>>>
>>> Rivsters,
>>>
>>> Enjoyed the video.  Looks like a great place to work.  However, I
>>> noticed that John Bennett was left out.  Just checked the Riv website,
>>> and sure enough, no John listed in the staff line-up.  Mark is now GM.
>>>  Seems like a recent change the went unnoticed, unless I misses
>>> something.
>>>
>>> Mike G.
>>>
>>> On 1/19/13, René Sterental  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> It really doesn't matter. As a customer, one of the things that earns
>>> my
>>> >> loyalty is feeling that the shop/vendor/company will go out if their
>>> way
>>> >> to
>>> >> do something for me. Rivendell has done it in the past and I expect
>>> will
>>> >> continue to do it in the future if necessary. That is why I have 4
>>> >> Rivendell bicycles and keep buying from them things I could buy
>>> >> elsewhere.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > In turn, I try to avoid being unreasonable and taking advantage of
>>> them.
>>> > I've been in the opposite side of the spectrum, where stuff I wanted
>>> was
>>> > being sold by a vendor who I felt treated me poorly, and I've learned
>>> the
>>> > hard way that it wasn't worth buying from them, especially when there
>>> are
>>> > many other equivalent options out there.
>>> >
>>> > While as a customer, I do not expect that Rivendell will replace my
>>> frames
>>> > whenever anything unfortunate happens to them, when I needed them to,
>>> for
>>> > sizing issues, they volunteered to do it. For an individual, it might
>>> mean
>>> > everything; for a shop, it will likely b the seed of more future
>>> business
>>> > and referrals. While there are indeed people who will abuse this, on
>>> the
>>> > long run the benefit for all will be much larger. For me, it sealed
>>> the
>>> > deal.
>>> >
>>> > I don't support the LBS that is closest to me; I support the ones that
>>> give
>>> > me the best service and go out of their way for me; they make me feel
>>> > special and welcome. When they stop doing that due to management
>>> changes,
>>> > policy changes or because the sales person or mechanic that did it
>>> goes
>>> > elsewhere, I follow them to their new place of work unless they go out
>>> of
>>> > town, even if I have to drive further.
>>> >
>>> > And going back to the video, while everyone I've ever interacted with
>>> at
>>> > Rivendell has always been wonderful, I do agree that Keven is special.
>>> Very
>>> > special. I wasn't surprised when Grant stated it in the video.
>>> >
>>> > René
>>> >
>>> >
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

One of the most misunderestimated factors contributing to bike performance is a 
fast-sounding catalog description.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I did, and it works great.  Pic here (please excuse the poor harlequin effort - 
 I was making it up as I went along.  Anyway, the question was about shellac!). 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/5645451069/in/set-72157626433454817  
And the great thing about shellac - that you can reapply and make the bars look 
fresh without having to rewrap - works, if anything, even better with harlequin 
wraps.  This pic shows the bars after a reapplication, following a year's 
accumulation of Philadelphia grime from a year of everyday commuting by my son. 
 Scrubbed off the dirt, a couple of new coats right over the old, and voila!  
As good as new.  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/5645451069/in/set-72157626433454817

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

Superb video! I'd really like to try this now.
Added Newbaums to the shopping list...

Does anyone use shellac on bars done with this type of wrap?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[Peter Morgano]

Down the rabbit hole we go, talking about "fast bikes", blergh. I think
there are just so many factors that go into one bike feeling "fast" over
another--tires, rider position, crank length, bb, spoke count, type of
rims, level of components, rider abilty, wind resistance, terrain, etc. I
like to think of the frameset as a foundation of what you want to do but
you build it up from there according to its purpose. Can you build a
lightweight Bombadil for club rides? I bet you could, but you would be
working against its intended purpose. On the other hand though I would
imagine Tommy is way "faster" on his new Bombadil than I am on my 70s
Peugeot "racing" bike, in this case due to the fact he is a young guy in
good shape and I am well not, haha. So the "fast" moniker is pretty
misleading on the whole I find.
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
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> is a fast-sounding catalog description.
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[RBW] RBW-style riding scene in Chicago?

[Forrest]

I am moving to Chicago in two weeks, and I want to explore the cycling 
scene there. Will rent first, maybe in 'burbs near O'Hare airport. 
Eventually may buy a place in a city neighborhood north/northwest of 
downtown. Anyone on this list know of good trails, shops, cycling 
resources, kindred spirits, etc., in Chicagoland, especially those things 
in the general spirit of the type of riding embraced by this group? Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[RJM]

I am going to be able to answer this  in 4 months or so, that is about when 
my Roadeo will be coming in. I have been using the Sam as a "go fast" bike 
for club rides, as it is my only bike so I had to make due. The Roadeo will 
be my fast bike once I get it, so I will be able to compare the two on 
similar rides with similar builds. I suspect the Roadeo is going to be a 
bit more responsive and climb easier, maybe even do that thing Jan always 
talks aboutplaning?
 
I think for fast club riding, special attention should be paid to wheels. I 
am going to think long and hard about what wheels to get for it as I would 
like the Roadeo to be "fast." Keeping the total bike weight down should 
help a bit, but it isn't my goal with the Roadeo I went with a threaded 
steerer so I can use my lugged stem. This kind of goes against the total 
weight of the bike, but I like to move my stems up and down especially the 
first year of having a bike and I like the look of quill stems more than 
threaded. I don't think this will make a difference on how fast the bike is 
though. Tires, wheels, brifters or not, component selection ect. These are 
going to make a difference though.
 
This whole "what makes a bike fast" conversation is one I really want to 
hear now, but I suspect that set up will make the largest difference. The 
type of tubing and what angles those are put together have to make a 
difference also...it just has to, right?
 

On Monday, January 21, 2013 9:19:58 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:

> Down the rabbit hole we go, talking about "fast bikes", blergh. I think 
> there are just so many factors that go into one bike feeling "fast" over 
> another--tires, rider position, crank length, bb, spoke count, type of 
> rims, level of components, rider abilty, wind resistance, terrain, etc. I 
> like to think of the frameset as a foundation of what you want to do but 
> you build it up from there according to its purpose. Can you build a 
> lightweight Bombadil for club rides? I bet you could, but you would be 
> working against its intended purpose. On the other hand though I would 
> imagine Tommy is way "faster" on his new Bombadil than I am on my 70s 
> Peugeot "racing" bike, in this case due to the fact he is a young guy in 
> good shape and I am well not, haha. So the "fast" moniker is pretty 
> misleading on the whole I find. 
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> thil...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> One of the most misunderestimated factors contributing to bike 
>> performance is a fast-sounding catalog description.
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[Michael]

>
> I think the simplest way I can put my topic question is: Why does Grant 
> describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just interested in what it 
> is about this frame, and what they designed into the frame, to make it for 
> that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their description on the 
> Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious.
>  
>
 I don't wanna discuss what makes a fast bike. Just what it is about the 
Roadeo frame, and what they designed into the frame, that Grant calls it a 
bike meant for fast rides. How does it differ from the hilsen.

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[William]

Michael wrote

"The description on the site led me to believe it is the fastest bike they 
make... However, it doesn't say what makes it that way"

OK, I'm still kind of guessing what it is you are after, so I'll ask and 
answer my own questions, and see if that helps at all.  I'm trying to 
answer what you are asking, but I'm afraid I'm coming off like a jerk.  
That's not my intent.  

Q1.  Take a TYPICAL Hilsen set up out there in the world and a TYPICAL 
Roadeo setup.  Which bike is faster?  
A1.  The Roadeo.  A typical Roadeo has lighter wheels, faster tires, and 
weighs ~5 lbs less.  A typical Roadeo build puts the rider in a more 
athletic position over the handlebars, more conducive to powerful riding. 

Q2.  Take the TYPICAL Roadeo build in Q1 and swap all his parts to a Hilsen 
in the same size.  Get the rider in exactly the same riding position.  How 
much slower will he be on his next club ride?
A2.  Not much slower at all.  I'd wager he would not be slower at all.  

Q3.  Is the Roadeo frameset lighter?  
A3.  A little, but not lighter enough to make you faster

Q4.  Is the Hilsen frameset stronger and stiffer?  
A4.  Yes, a little.  Some think stiffer is faster.  Some think flexier is 
faster.  Some think comfort all comes from frame flex.  Others say comfort 
is mostly from tires.  

It's my opinion that the Hilsen is a much more versatile bike, because of 
clearances and braze ons.  You can do any of several different kinds of 
builds on a Hilsen, which will influence how fast the bike is.  The Roadeo 
is less versatile and more specialized to one particular kind of build, 
which is a fast build.  

If you know you are going to do a fast build, and you'll never change it, 
get a Roadeo, you'll love it
If you know you are going to do a fast build, and a sport-tour build, and a 
commute build, and swap around between them at your whim, and you'd like 
one frame to enable them all, get a Hilsen, you'll love it. 



On Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:54:07 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> William,
> The description on the site led me to believe it is the fastest bike they 
> make, intended for fast club riding and not for 
> touring/commuting/utility/country/ doingsomething riding like their other 
> bikes are described. It even comes with the option for an aheadset type 
> headset.
> It says it is their answer to speedy modern CF bikes.
> So, to me, this sounds like it is the fastest/only race-like model in 
> current production.
>
> However, it doesn't say what makes it that way. 
> There is no discussion of geometry or power transfer, etc. 
> So I was wondering what about this steel bike that is so similar to the 
> Hilsen (minus brazeons) makes it intended for fast riding only.
>
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[RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

[William]

I agree this is really helpful.  

Brian, how many rolls did you need?  I'd guess you needed two rolls of 
Maroon.  Did you get away with only one roll of yellow?  

On Friday, December 28, 2012 12:51:45 AM UTC-8, stonehog wrote:
>
> I finally got the hang of getting a video set up on doing a diamond 
> pattern bar wrap.  Have a look if you are interested in this style.  I 
> would love your feedback on how to make this more helpful.
>
> http://wp.me/p1kJzU-4K
>
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
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[RBW] Re: FS Atlantis 51cm Toyo ........

[Kristen Bell]

Hi Charlie,

I'm interested in purchasing the Atlantis -- looks like a great bike and 
just what I am looking for!  I did a test-ride on a 50cm Sam Hillbourne and 
that fit great (I'm 5'1").  I am hoping that the 51cm Atlantis will fit. 

Could you help me with a few questions?  First, I live in the SF Bay area 
-- would it be possible for you to ship the frame to Rivendell (in Walnut 
Creek, CA) so that they could build it up at their shop?  $1600 is the very 
top of my price point and I wonder if you could include shipping cost?

Second, can you provide any guarantee that the frame is indeed an Atlantis 
that has never been built?  I saw the photos (which look great!) but I've 
never purchased anything off this list and I don't know what protections 
there are.

Thanks very much -- I look forward to hearing from you!

~Kristen

  
On Saturday, December 8, 2012 3:45:32 AM UTC-8, Charlie wrote:
>
> Purchased a few years ago from Rivendell and never built.  A unique 
> color
>
> $1600 located in Connecticut.
>
> Pictures here..
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7338969@N06/6679269441/in/photostream
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[RBW] Re: Riv Visit

[hsmitham]

Hi Chris,

I flew up November 30th form Burbank on a stormy day, my wife and I rode 
the Hilsen, Hillborne and Betty Foy  and a couple others, the Riv crew were 
great, Rich educated me on their wheels and Keven was his usual helpful 
self. I ordered a AAH with custom color and Brian just sent me a pic:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/8399675881/in/photostream

I sold my Cervelo R3 carbon bike  in October 2012 so I could afford my 
dream bike. Can't wait to throw my leg of the AAH and just ride.

Cheers,

Hugh Smitham
Los Angeles, CA

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:30:58 AM UTC-8, Chris wrote:
>
> Drive up from Los Angeles and made my first trip up to the RivHQ this 
> weekend. Great guys. They let me ride just about everything in the shop and 
> complimented my 1984 Univega. Sorry Im horrible with names and can't 
> remember everyone but Joe was awesome. They even gave me a hat and a few 
> Riv readers. I knew I would dig the Hilsen but the speed and solidness of 
> the Atlantis and the Hunga were surprising. Great bikes. Now I just have to 
> sell all my other rides to buy one LOL.

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[RBW] Re: 1st Ride Report

[Dennis Hogan]

Hi Tommy- 
It wasn't till I saw the Burnside Bridge that I realized it was *YOUR 
Bombadi*l! That was a quick build and a beautiful one. Love the handlebar 
tape.
Ride safely! You'll never go wrong listening to Smitty & Manny.
Dennis in PDX

On Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:45:54 PM UTC-8, tommynguyen wrote:
>
> Peter suggest I make a post, so here it is.
>
> Technically, it has been a few rides. A little side story of how the bike 
> came to be:
>
> I rarely frequent the forums but decided on a fine December day to browse 
> and see all the happenings on the web. I stumbled upon Peter's post of a 
> Bombadil for sale and quickly emailed him. I was reluctant at first knowing 
> that I really didn't need another bike but with the proper push (from Andy 
> 'Smitty' Schmidt and ManuelAcosta) I took the dive... and was it a good 
> one. 
>
> Within a week, the frame, fork and additional goodies arrived (+1 for 
> Peter M.). Gracious that Andy allowed a landing pad for the box since my 
> neighborhood isn't too ideal for pricey items to be stationed. From then 
> on, part list was compiled with the help of Manny and Andy (again) and 
> slowly it came together. 
>
> Finally, I have had some time to take it for a spin and boy does my face 
> hurt from smiling. It's nothing like the bikes I have ridden before. The 
> frame is responsive, accelerates well and comfortable. Not to mention, it's 
> easy on the eyes. Here are some photos of the ride, before racks are put 
> on. 
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/metron04/sets/72157632564755576/
>
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[RBW] Re: Portland Rides in March/April?

[Dennis Hogan]

+1 on the OR Randonneurs, a very nice group of riders, several Riv riders - 
for club rides, the Portland Wheelman have daily rides of varying distance 
and difficulty. Check their website at: pwtc.com. Look for the rides tab.
Dennis in PDX

On Saturday, January 19, 2013 9:11:13 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Do any Portland-area Riv riders know of a good list of 100-mile to 200- or 
> 300k rides in the Portland area in March or April? I'd like to bring a bike 
> and do an organized ride, but I'm having trouble finding a concise list. 
>
> Thanks in advance. 
>
> Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
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[RBW] FS: 61cm AHH

[Anton]

I'm selling my Homer Hilsen. It's a little over a year old, in good shape. 
Usual scratches: some chain-suck marks on the chainstay, chips around the 
left shifter boss. Frame, fork, headset, brakes, rack, fenders, for $1300. 
Here's a link to some older pictures: 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/59417094@N08/I can post more, and 
more detailed ones, in a day or so when I get hold of a camera.

61cm, Waterford-built Homer Hilsen
Tange headset
Tektro Long Reach Brakes
Velo Orange "constructeur" (I think those quotation marks indicate irony in 
this instance) rear rack
SKS longboard fenders

I could also sell the complete bike, $2200, or any of the following parts:
Nitto Pearl stem, 10cm
Nitto 176 Dream bar, 44cm
Ultegra aero levers (scuffed, paint missing)
Nitto S85 seatpost
Campagnolo Chorus crank with 39 and 44 tooth rings and Record BB
Dura Ace 9speed rear derailer
Ultegra 36 spoke front hub, laced to grey Open Pro
Low end Shimano rear hub (130 OL)  laced 32 spokes to grey open pros (rear 
wheel a little beat) (DT db spokes)
Brooks B17, copper rails and rivets.

I have additional chainrings if you'd like, a Dura Ace f. derailer to match 
the rear, and a pair of little-used Panaracer Pasela 35mm tires to include. 
I'd like to keep the saddlebag. I'm in the boston area, and a local sale 
would be welcome, but I won't, of course, insist on that. I can post new 
pictures in a day or so when I can get my hands on a digital camera.

Best,

Anton

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[RBW] My Rambouillet PICS

[Rando Rambo]

Hello Rivendell folks,

As much as I like reading your posts and stories, I love the pictures the 
most, so here are some of mine.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/desert-lake/

enjoy

  


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[RBW] Stuff for sale

[Alex Zeibot]

For sale are gently to never used items, shipping $5-10 depending on the
item(s).

See the link for the pics:
https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A1JtdOXmGa4I7p

If interested, please email me directly.  PayPal is preferred.


Nitto R-14 rear rack, excellent condition: $60, included clamps.

Nitto Mini Front rack, excellent condition:  $60, included clamps.

Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 120mm, bar clamp 26mm: $30 or trade for 90mm.

Nitto North Road handlebars, 25.4 clamp, 54 cm C to C: $25.

700c Honjo aluminum fenders including the hardware.  Model: NH401-700N, width:
40 mm, depth: 20 mm, finish: smooth, round, no fluting or ridge. Price: $30

Thomson Elite Setback seat post, excellent condition: $30

Paul Canti brake levers, excellent condition: $60 for a pair.

Unused NOS front and rear Shimano Dura Ace centerpull brake calipers.
Includes all the hardware i.e., cable yokes, front and rear cable hangers
(rear has quick release), washers, etc.  47-65mm reach. Asking $30.  Or
trade for either Nitto 70mm stem or Nitto drop bars.

Thanks,

Alex

St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Renovelo

[Erin R]

Peter, I'm newer on here. Is this similar to the Hunquapillar? If I'd need a 
62cm in the Hunquapillar would there be a way that w the seat lowered this 
could work for me? Not sure how to figure this out. Thanks in advance. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[William]

"Why does Grant describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just 
interested in what it is about this frame, and what they designed into the 
frame, to make it for that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their 
description on the Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious."

This is an excellent question and I think it goes back to the first 
sentence on the Roadeo page:

"The Roadeo is our answer to speedy carbon road bikes "

It is a product offering to give people what they are after.  People who 
are shopping for a racing bike at 5 different shops and consider a 
Rivendell are conditioned to expect a particular look.  I know I am so 
conditioned.  I fit a 59cm Hilsen and a 59cm Roadeo.  If I wanted to do a 
racy build, I would get a Roadeo over a Hilsen because the Hilsen would 
look weird to my eye with huge brakes and skinny tires.  The Roadeo would 
look right with skinny tires.  That's it and that's all.  If I did not mind 
being limited to a racy build, then I would buy the Roadeo.  I have a frame 
that limits me in exactly the way the Roadeo would limit me.  If I wanted 
one bike to be a racy bike and be something else at other times, I'd buy 
the Hilsen and get over the fact that it looks goofy with skinny tires.  

I don't believe Grant claims that the Roadeo is inherently faster than the 
Hilsen.  

On Monday, January 21, 2013 8:44:05 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> I think the simplest way I can put my topic question is: Why does Grant 
>> describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just interested in what it 
>> is about this frame, and what they designed into the frame, to make it for 
>> that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their description on the 
>> Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious.
>>  
>>
>  I don't wanna discuss what makes a fast bike. Just what it is about the 
> Roadeo frame, and what they designed into the frame, that Grant calls it a 
> bike meant for fast rides. How does it differ from the hilsen.
>

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[RBW] Re: Why do my rides end up like this?

[Ryan Ray]

I don't know why your rides end up like this but I know who I'll look up if 
I'm ever in your area. Your rides sound fun.

- Ryan



On Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:56:48 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> We got lost. I blame Sean. His general saying was," Well if Grant can do 
> it..."
> All in good fun when no one gets hurt. 
> Stopped at a garage sale afterwards and pick up some swag. 
> Found a Seamen Captain. He needs a name. Any suggestions? 
>
> Pictures prove that garage sales are always reason to stop.
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDG4iAV
>
> -Manny "Pretty we're lost" Acosta
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

My feeling is that when the Rambouillet was supplanted by the AHH, a few people 
felt that the added tire clearance of the AHH was a performance compromise, 
somehow. The compromise was more perceived than real, but when a company is 
trying to sell stuff, perception is everything. So Grant designed a version of 
the AHH without the added tire clearance or rack braze-ons, both of which 
pollute the purity and single-mindedness of purpose of a road bike (to the road 
bike purist). The Roadeo was made for purists, and the ad copy reassures the 
purist that nothing about the Roadeo is a compromise in the name of 
versatility. Most/all of that which is written about the Roadeo performance 
could also be truthfully written about the Hilsen, but the Hilsen customers 
tend to prize versatility more than speed, so the Hilsen entry emphasizes the 
traits that make the bike versatile, rather than fast.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[Peter Morgano]

You know, as has been covered a few times on this list the people at RBW
are really nice. If you have a question you can reach out to them by old
fashioned telephone and talk to them.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM, William  wrote:

> "Why does Grant describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just
> interested in what it is about this frame, and what they designed into the
> frame, to make it for that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their
> description on the Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious."
>
> This is an excellent question and I think it goes back to the first
> sentence on the Roadeo page:
>
> "The Roadeo is our answer to speedy carbon road bikes "
>
> It is a product offering to give people what they are after.  People who
> are shopping for a racing bike at 5 different shops and consider a
> Rivendell are conditioned to expect a particular look.  I know I am so
> conditioned.  I fit a 59cm Hilsen and a 59cm Roadeo.  If I wanted to do a
> racy build, I would get a Roadeo over a Hilsen because the Hilsen would
> look weird to my eye with huge brakes and skinny tires.  The Roadeo would
> look right with skinny tires.  That's it and that's all.  If I did not mind
> being limited to a racy build, then I would buy the Roadeo.  I have a frame
> that limits me in exactly the way the Roadeo would limit me.  If I wanted
> one bike to be a racy bike and be something else at other times, I'd buy
> the Hilsen and get over the fact that it looks goofy with skinny tires.
>
> I don't believe Grant claims that the Roadeo is inherently faster than the
> Hilsen.
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2013 8:44:05 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>>
>> I think the simplest way I can put my topic question is: Why does Grant
>>> describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just interested in what it
>>> is about this frame, and what they designed into the frame, to make it for
>>> that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their description on the
>>> Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious.
>>>
>>>
>>  I don't wanna discuss what makes a fast bike. Just what it is about the
>> Roadeo frame, and what they designed into the frame, that Grant calls it a
>> bike meant for fast rides. How does it differ from the hilsen.
>>
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[RBW] Re: On chainsuck

[Cyclofiend Jim]

In addition to the burrs, there may be non-obvious wear in the "valley" of 
the tooth pattern - you essentially elongate the dip.  I usually match up 
the new under the old to determine how much change to the shape has 
occurred.  The burrs are probably the cause of chainsuck, but the more 
rounded out the pattern becomes, the quicker I seem to burn through chains. 

Also, steel chainrings are a good thing - especially in the high stress 
applications (say if someone were to ride their Quickbeam in fixed mode 95% 
of the time) or on smaller rings.

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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[RBW] Re: Riv Visit

[Chris]

Nice bike, Hugh
The AHH sure was a fun bike to ride. Did you test ride on the trail just down 
the street? The Iron Horse trail?

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[RBW] Re: Riv Visit

[William]

That green meanie is a great looking bike!  58cm?  Just splendid.  

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 5:33:35 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I flew up November 30th form Burbank on a stormy day, my wife and I rode 
> the Hilsen, Hillborne and Betty Foy  and a couple others, the Riv crew were 
> great, Rich educated me on their wheels and Keven was his usual helpful 
> self. I ordered a AAH with custom color and Brian just sent me a pic:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/8399675881/in/photostream
>
> I sold my Cervelo R3 carbon bike  in October 2012 so I could afford my 
> dream bike. Can't wait to throw my leg of the AAH and just ride.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hugh Smitham
> Los Angeles, CA
>
> On Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:30:58 AM UTC-8, Chris wrote:
>>
>> Drive up from Los Angeles and made my first trip up to the RivHQ this 
>> weekend. Great guys. They let me ride just about everything in the shop and 
>> complimented my 1984 Univega. Sorry Im horrible with names and can't 
>> remember everyone but Joe was awesome. They even gave me a hat and a few 
>> Riv readers. I knew I would dig the Hilsen but the speed and solidness of 
>> the Atlantis and the Hunga were surprising. Great bikes. Now I just have to 
>> sell all my other rides to buy one LOL.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Renovelo

[Jim Mather]

The Renovelo offered now started as a Rambouillet, which is pretty
different from a Hunq. The size is fairly similar, 60cm top tube/88cm
standover for the Renovelo vs 62TT/91 standover for the Hunq. But the
Hunq takes a much wider tire and canti brakes. If you can live with
35mm tires, it's a great deal.

jim m
wc ca

On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Erin R
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> Peter, I'm newer on here. Is this similar to the Hunquapillar? If I'd need a 
> 62cm in the Hunquapillar would there be a way that w the seat lowered this 
> could work for me? Not sure how to figure this out. Thanks in advance.
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Re: [RBW] Riv Visit

[René Sterental]

Just beautiful! What is that shade of green?

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Re: [RBW] Renovelo

[James Warren]

If you need a 62 Hunq, then you probably need the seat raised with the 64 
Renovelo you see. This Renovelo has a 2 degree up sloping TT. The Hunq's 
corresponding angle is 6 degrees. This results in the Hunq's head tube position 
being 4 cm higher than the 2 degree bikes, given equal seat tube lengths.

Rivendell has had two sizing styles (6 degree sloping TT's and the 2ish degree 
sloping TT's.) It's important to know which type you're looking at for a given 
frame. I fit equally well on a 64 cm Rambouillet and a 60 cm Sam Hillborne, 
because of this difference.

This Renovelo was a Rambouillet, so the proper size for you, based on seat 
tube, will be larger than it would be for the Hunq. If 62 Hunq were your ideal 
size, I would guess that 66 would be your starting approximation in Rambouillet 
sizing.

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> Peter, I'm newer on here. Is this similar to the Hunquapillar? If I'd need a 
> 62cm in the Hunquapillar would there be a way that w the seat lowered this 
> could work for me? Not sure how to figure this out. Thanks in advance. 
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Re: [RBW] Renovelo

[James Warren]

And as a follow-up, the following Rivendell's are in the 6 degree sloping TT 
category: Bombadil, Hillborne, Hunqapillar, San Marcos

The following are the more horizontal TT models: Atlantis, AHH, Roadeo, 
Rambouillet, Romulus, Legolas, Quickbeam, Simpleone

In the second category, AHH's angle is only 1.5 degrees, and Atlantis is 2.5. I 
think the rest are all 2 degree.

Grant has named the geometry of the former group the Expanded Geometry 
category. To get more or better info, you could ask Rivendell directly, 
referencing the term Expanded.

- Jim W.

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On Jan 21, 2013, at 10:09 AM, James Warren  wrote:

> If you need a 62 Hunq, then you probably need the seat raised with the 64 
> Renovelo you see. This Renovelo has a 2 degree up sloping TT. The Hunq's 
> corresponding angle is 6 degrees. This results in the Hunq's head tube 
> position being 4 cm higher than the 2 degree bikes, given equal seat tube 
> lengths.
> 
> Rivendell has had two sizing styles (6 degree sloping TT's and the 2ish 
> degree sloping TT's.) It's important to know which type you're looking at for 
> a given frame. I fit equally well on a 64 cm Rambouillet and a 60 cm Sam 
> Hillborne, because of this difference.
> 
> This Renovelo was a Rambouillet, so the proper size for you, based on seat 
> tube, will be larger than it would be for the Hunq. If 62 Hunq were your 
> ideal size, I would guess that 66 would be your starting approximation in 
> Rambouillet sizing.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 20, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Erin R  
> wrote:
> 
>> Peter, I'm newer on here. Is this similar to the Hunquapillar? If I'd need a 
>> 62cm in the Hunquapillar would there be a way that w the seat lowered this 
>> could work for me? Not sure how to figure this out. Thanks in advance. 
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[RBW] Jumping into the ride-report game

[cyclotourist]

Looks like a lot of people are putting on miles this MLK weekend. Great to
see them and all the new bikes coming along as well!

I was able to get out yesterday, for my first long ride (>2 hr) since
Thanksgiving. I wanted to put some miles in to see if I could pull off the
115K SFR route next weekend, but don't think so. I did  37 miles and was
mentally shot by the end. Usually this is a regular out and back for me,
but not this time. Physically tired from it, but no ITB concerns in my
knee, which has been my bane the last five or so years. Sore wrists today,
and a nice friction rash on the Brooks contact area.

Needless to say, I'm not up to doing the Populaire next weekend, which is a
real bummer. I'm still going up for the weekend, but hope to instead bang
around Mt. Tam, maybe say hi to anybody in the vicinity. If it's wet/muddy
around Marin, might instead head over to WC and say hi to Riv people and
ride Diablo.

Here are some SoCal ride pics from yesterday:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/archives/date-posted/2013/01/20/
65F when I started, 69F when I got back home. Very windy, with a LOT of
cyclers out cycling. Real good to see as many people out as I did.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[justinaugust]

Are the geometries the same? I don't follow enough to know, honestly. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[Jim Mather]

The geometries are quite different. You can compare here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0

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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[Dan McNamara]

A call to RBW would probably answer any questions but looking at the
published Riv geometry Google doc there are differences that would make the
Rodeo more of a club bike - shorter chainstays, less rake, slightly
different ST and HT angles. Those differences plus component selection add
up to something that feels different than the AHH.

I know my Ram feels different than the AHH and it is close to the Rodeo
geometry.

Dan

Marin


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> You know, as has been covered a few times on this list the people at RBW
> are really nice. If you have a question you can reach out to them by old
> fashioned telephone and talk to them.
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM, William  wrote:
>
>> "Why does Grant describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just
>> interested in what it is about this frame, and what they designed into the
>> frame, to make it for that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their
>> description on the Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious."
>>
>> This is an excellent question and I think it goes back to the first
>> sentence on the Roadeo page:
>>
>> "The Roadeo is our answer to speedy carbon road bikes "
>>
>> It is a product offering to give people what they are after.  People who
>> are shopping for a racing bike at 5 different shops and consider a
>> Rivendell are conditioned to expect a particular look.  I know I am so
>> conditioned.  I fit a 59cm Hilsen and a 59cm Roadeo.  If I wanted to do a
>> racy build, I would get a Roadeo over a Hilsen because the Hilsen would
>> look weird to my eye with huge brakes and skinny tires.  The Roadeo would
>> look right with skinny tires.  That's it and that's all.  If I did not mind
>> being limited to a racy build, then I would buy the Roadeo.  I have a frame
>> that limits me in exactly the way the Roadeo would limit me.  If I wanted
>> one bike to be a racy bike and be something else at other times, I'd buy
>> the Hilsen and get over the fact that it looks goofy with skinny tires.
>>
>> I don't believe Grant claims that the Roadeo is inherently faster than
>> the Hilsen.
>>
>> On Monday, January 21, 2013 8:44:05 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the simplest way I can put my topic question is: Why does Grant
 describe it as their bike for fast rides? I am just interested in what it
 is about this frame, and what they designed into the frame, to make it for
 that intended purpose. It is not mentioned in their description on the
 Rivbike.com site for the model, and I am curious.


>>>  I don't wanna discuss what makes a fast bike. Just what it is about the
>>> Roadeo frame, and what they designed into the frame, that Grant calls it a
>>> bike meant for fast rides. How does it differ from the hilsen.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] New Blug Post with Jay Ritchey video

[Eric Platt]

Well, I'll be the first one to complain about the video - the slide guitar
wasn't audible enough on the outdoor jam.  Excellent playing but coulda
used a second microphone to pick up the instruments better. (That's the
guitar playing side of me coming out).

Otherwise it was a very enjoyable video.  Makes me want to head back out
west some day.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:45 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I was impressed by Mark's articulation and by the obvious lack of
> "attitude" among the speakers.
>
> Packing: the packing for frames and bikes I've received have been real
> works of art in themselves.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Wow..I didn't know John left. To me he's almost as much "Rivendell" as
>> Grant is. I'm sorry to see him go, and wish him well.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:46:56 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:
>>
>>> John got married and he and his wife (high school sweethearts
>>> reconnected!) moved to Oregon in early Nov to be near family. Losing John
>>> was gigantic, but I'm in contact with him daily and it's not all
>>> pleasure---he may work a few hours a week for us. Mark is the new GM, and
>>> we're all happy about that. It wasn't a case of -- having to promote from
>>> within. Mark knows the job, conferred with John about it...and has been
>>> doing great.
>>> Anyway, we ALL miss John so much, and he'd have been great  in the
>>> video. His office would have stolen the show.
>>> Thank you all for liking it, and to whatever extent Rivendell Bicycle *
>>> works*, now you know why. Originally Jay and I talked about a
>>> ten-to-twelve minute videos, and that was the plan. And that was the
>>> budget, too. A few months later, after all the shooting (I think everything
>>> was one-take), Jay sent me a 29-minute vid (only the ultra-beginning, with
>>> me ridng down the trail, and then the typeover was added). Jay is a
>>> remarkable guy. He dives into things and seems to not know about learning
>>> curves the way the rest of us do. Jay was a great employee and friend. You
>>> can't know him without wanting to be more like him and feeling lucky. Super
>>> guy and he did a great job.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:16:23 PM UTC-8, Mike Gillespie wrote:

 Rivsters,

 Enjoyed the video.  Looks like a great place to work.  However, I
 noticed that John Bennett was left out.  Just checked the Riv website,
 and sure enough, no John listed in the staff line-up.  Mark is now GM.
  Seems like a recent change the went unnoticed, unless I misses
 something.

 Mike G.

 On 1/19/13, René Sterental  wrote:
 >>
 >> It really doesn't matter. As a customer, one of the things that
 earns my
 >> loyalty is feeling that the shop/vendor/company will go out if their
 way
 >> to
 >> do something for me. Rivendell has done it in the past and I expect
 will
 >> continue to do it in the future if necessary. That is why I have 4
 >> Rivendell bicycles and keep buying from them things I could buy
 >> elsewhere.
 >
 >
 > In turn, I try to avoid being unreasonable and taking advantage of
 them.
 > I've been in the opposite side of the spectrum, where stuff I wanted
 was
 > being sold by a vendor who I felt treated me poorly, and I've learned
 the
 > hard way that it wasn't worth buying from them, especially when there
 are
 > many other equivalent options out there.
 >
 > While as a customer, I do not expect that Rivendell will replace my
 frames
 > whenever anything unfortunate happens to them, when I needed them to,
 for
 > sizing issues, they volunteered to do it. For an individual, it might
 mean
 > everything; for a shop, it will likely b the seed of more future
 business
 > and referrals. While there are indeed people who will abuse this, on
 the
 > long run the benefit for all will be much larger. For me, it sealed
 the
 > deal.
 >
 > I don't support the LBS that is closest to me; I support the ones
 that give
 > me the best service and go out of their way for me; they make me feel
 > special and welcome. When they stop doing that due to management
 changes,
 > policy changes or because the sales person or mechanic that did it
 goes
 > elsewhere, I follow them to their new place of work unless they go
 out of
 > town, even if I have to drive further.
 >
 > And going back to the video, while everyone I've ever interacted with
 at
 > Rivendell has always been wonderful, I do agree that Keven is
 special. Very
 > special. I wasn't surprised when Grant stated it in the video.
 >
 > René
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[RBW] Crankset length

[Dave]

Hey hey,
Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 59 bleriot 
protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on it.  The pedal 
strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present frequently.   I've tried 
the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with the gr-9 platform pedals.   
With toe clips, they strike the ground if moving the bike without my feet in 
them.  Any hard turns are problematic if you need to pedal through. 

How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 cranks would 
provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or how new cranks 
would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure what's in there)so not 
sure if any of these questions can be answered.

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[RBW] Re: Stuff for sale

[bwphoto]

Alex-
I'd like the Northroads if they're still available, I'm in St. Paul so I 
could pick them up, I live in Highland.

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:16:06 AM UTC-6, velobandit wrote:
>
> For sale are gently to never used items, shipping $5-10 depending on the 
> item(s).
>
> See the link for the pics: 
> https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A1JtdOXmGa4I7p   
>
> If interested, please email me directly.  PayPal is preferred.
>
>
> Nitto R-14 rear rack, excellent condition: $60, included clamps.
>
> Nitto Mini Front rack, excellent condition:  $60, included clamps.
>
> Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 120mm, bar clamp 26mm: $30 or trade for 90mm.
>
> Nitto North Road handlebars, 25.4 clamp, 54 cm C to C: $25.
>
> 700c Honjo aluminum fenders including the hardware.  Model: NH401-700N, 
> width: 
> 40 mm, depth: 20 mm, finish: smooth, round, no fluting or ridge. Price: 
> $30
>
> Thomson Elite Setback seat post, excellent condition: $30
>
> Paul Canti brake levers, excellent condition: $60 for a pair.
>
> Unused NOS front and rear Shimano Dura Ace centerpull brake calipers.  
> Includes all the hardware i.e., cable yokes, front and rear cable hangers 
> (rear has quick release), washers, etc.  47-65mm reach. Asking $30.  Or 
> trade for either Nitto 70mm stem or Nitto drop bars.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Leslie]

If it's a recent 105, it's a Hollowtech BB, which is integrated into the 
crank;   to switch to the Sugino, you'd need a JIS square-taper BB in its 
place  

What tire size are you running?  If you're on 32's, might want to try 38's, 
that might help a bit, too... it's subtle, but, sometimes that might just 
be enough

But, I would think switching to a crank w/ a shorter arm wouldn't be a bad 
thing, in your case... can't answer about the Q-difference and influence of 
that on pedal strike,, but someone probably can 




On Monday, January 21, 2013 2:33:47 PM UTC-5, Dave wrote:
>
> Hey hey,
> Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 59 bleriot 
> protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on it.  The 
> pedal strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present frequently.   
> I've tried the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with the gr-9 
> platform pedals.   With toe clips, they strike the ground if moving the 
> bike without my feet in them.  Any hard turns are problematic if you need 
> to pedal through. 
>
> How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 cranks would 
> provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or how new 
> cranks would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure what's in 
> there)so not sure if any of these questions can be answered.
>
>

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[RBW] FS White Industries cranks, Shimano dyno hub + IQ Fly, Nitto Noodle

[Dan Abelson]

I am continuing to clean out the parts bins and evaluate what I am actually
going to use.  A few items for sale.  All prices include shipping in CONUS.
 Local pickup in Minneapolis/St. Paul is great also.

1.  White Industries VBC Crank 170mm with 38t and 44t ENO Rings (no
crankbolts) - $150

2. Nitto Noodle Handelbar 44cm, 26.0 clamp  (there is a fair amount of tape
residue and some scratches on the bar -- but that is what bar tape is for)
-- $45

3.  Shimano DH-3D71 Dyno hub  and B+M Lumotec IQ Fly light - $65.  Hub has
been through a couple Minnesota winters and has some rust on it, but it
works fine.  Good way to experiment with dyno lighting on the cheap
especially if you build your own wheels. Light works fine.

Photos at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/abelvitz/sets/72157627919352912/with/8254503577/

Thanks

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Stuff for sale

[Scot Brooks]

Can't reply directly via mobile, but I'll absolutely take the R-14

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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Dave]

Went out to look and you're correct on the Hollowtech BB.  bummer.  I'm 
running the col de la vie 37mm tires, so not much room there.  I guess will 
keep my eyes open for a BB and cranks at good prices.  Anyone on list 
looking to clean out their garage, let me know.

On Monday, January 21, 2013 11:42:11 AM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>
> If it's a recent 105, it's a Hollowtech BB, which is integrated into the 
> crank;   to switch to the Sugino, you'd need a JIS square-taper BB in its 
> place  
>
> What tire size are you running?  If you're on 32's, might want to try 
> 38's, that might help a bit, too... it's subtle, but, sometimes that might 
> just be enough
>
> But, I would think switching to a crank w/ a shorter arm wouldn't be a bad 
> thing, in your case... can't answer about the Q-difference and influence of 
> that on pedal strike,, but someone probably can 
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2013 2:33:47 PM UTC-5, Dave wrote:
>>
>> Hey hey,
>> Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 59 bleriot 
>> protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on it.  The 
>> pedal strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present frequently.   
>> I've tried the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with the gr-9 
>> platform pedals.   With toe clips, they strike the ground if moving the 
>> bike without my feet in them.  Any hard turns are problematic if you need 
>> to pedal through. 
>>
>> How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 cranks would 
>> provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or how new 
>> cranks would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure what's in 
>> there)so not sure if any of these questions can be answered.
>>
>>

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[PATRICK MOORE]

Or trade for good condition On-One Midges OR something approximating a 38
cm Grand Bois Maes Parallel (115 mm reach 125 mm drop).

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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[William]

The geometry is not all that hard to figure out.  A few mm of length change 
will change your clearance by a few mm.  A few degrees of extra lean before 
you scrape.  Pedal scrapes during a deep lean can be incredibly dangerous.  

In my opinion, it is much more important to have the right length for 
pedalling than it is to have the right length for max turning clearance.  I 
ride 172.5mm on all my bikes and when I ride my wife's Betty areound the 
block, the 165mm arms on there feel like a midget bike to me.  Alot of the 
fixie crowd run 165's to promote spinning, but on a geared bike, my 
instinct tells me that 165s would be a mistake.  Narrow width platform 
pedals, like the grip kings, could make more of a difference than crankarm 
length, if you want to experiment more affordably.  

There's a semi-famous Greg Lemond quote about pedal clearance.  He said "if 
you think you need to pedal through a corner, you weren't going fast enough 
into the turn".  That's from a purely racer perspective.

On Monday, January 21, 2013 11:33:47 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote:
>
> Hey hey,
> Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 59 bleriot 
> protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on it.  The 
> pedal strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present frequently.   
> I've tried the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with the gr-9 
> platform pedals.   With toe clips, they strike the ground if moving the 
> bike without my feet in them.  Any hard turns are problematic if you need 
> to pedal through. 
>
> How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 cranks would 
> provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or how new 
> cranks would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure what's in 
> there)so not sure if any of these questions can be answered.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Blug Post with Jay Ritchey video

[PATRICK MOORE]

Agree -- I wanted to hear more of the guitar.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Eric Platt  wrote:

> Well, I'll be the first one to complain about the video - the slide guitar
> wasn't audible enough on the outdoor jam.  Excellent playing but coulda
> used a second microphone to pick up the instruments better. (That's the
> guitar playing side of me coming out).
>
> Otherwise it was a very enjoyable video.  Makes me want to head back out
> west some day.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:45 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
>> I was impressed by Mark's articulation and by the obvious lack of
>> "attitude" among the speakers.
>>
>> Packing: the packing for frames and bikes I've received have been real
>> works of art in themselves.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Wow..I didn't know John left. To me he's almost as much "Rivendell" as
>>> Grant is. I'm sorry to see him go, and wish him well.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Vallejo, CA.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:46:56 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:
>>>
 John got married and he and his wife (high school sweethearts
 reconnected!) moved to Oregon in early Nov to be near family. Losing John
 was gigantic, but I'm in contact with him daily and it's not all
 pleasure---he may work a few hours a week for us. Mark is the new GM, and
 we're all happy about that. It wasn't a case of -- having to promote from
 within. Mark knows the job, conferred with John about it...and has been
 doing great.
 Anyway, we ALL miss John so much, and he'd have been great  in the
 video. His office would have stolen the show.
 Thank you all for liking it, and to whatever extent Rivendell Bicycle *
 works*, now you know why. Originally Jay and I talked about a
 ten-to-twelve minute videos, and that was the plan. And that was the
 budget, too. A few months later, after all the shooting (I think everything
 was one-take), Jay sent me a 29-minute vid (only the ultra-beginning, with
 me ridng down the trail, and then the typeover was added). Jay is a
 remarkable guy. He dives into things and seems to not know about learning
 curves the way the rest of us do. Jay was a great employee and friend. You
 can't know him without wanting to be more like him and feeling lucky. Super
 guy and he did a great job.


 On Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:16:23 PM UTC-8, Mike Gillespie wrote:
>
> Rivsters,
>
> Enjoyed the video.  Looks like a great place to work.  However, I
> noticed that John Bennett was left out.  Just checked the Riv website,
> and sure enough, no John listed in the staff line-up.  Mark is now GM.
>  Seems like a recent change the went unnoticed, unless I misses
> something.
>
> Mike G.
>
> On 1/19/13, René Sterental  wrote:
> >>
> >> It really doesn't matter. As a customer, one of the things that
> earns my
> >> loyalty is feeling that the shop/vendor/company will go out if
> their way
> >> to
> >> do something for me. Rivendell has done it in the past and I expect
> will
> >> continue to do it in the future if necessary. That is why I have 4
> >> Rivendell bicycles and keep buying from them things I could buy
> >> elsewhere.
> >
> >
> > In turn, I try to avoid being unreasonable and taking advantage of
> them.
> > I've been in the opposite side of the spectrum, where stuff I wanted
> was
> > being sold by a vendor who I felt treated me poorly, and I've
> learned the
> > hard way that it wasn't worth buying from them, especially when
> there are
> > many other equivalent options out there.
> >
> > While as a customer, I do not expect that Rivendell will replace my
> frames
> > whenever anything unfortunate happens to them, when I needed them
> to, for
> > sizing issues, they volunteered to do it. For an individual, it
> might mean
> > everything; for a shop, it will likely b the seed of more future
> business
> > and referrals. While there are indeed people who will abuse this, on
> the
> > long run the benefit for all will be much larger. For me, it sealed
> the
> > deal.
> >
> > I don't support the LBS that is closest to me; I support the ones
> that give
> > me the best service and go out of their way for me; they make me
> feel
> > special and welcome. When they stop doing that due to management
> changes,
> > policy changes or because the sales person or mechanic that did it
> goes
> > elsewhere, I follow them to their new place of work unless they go
> out of
> > town, even if I have to drive further.
> >
> > And going back to the video, while everyone I've ever interacted
> with at
> > Rivendell has always been wonderful, I do agree that Keven is
> special. Very
> > special. I w

[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

A square taper BB is $20. Not a big deal.

On Jan 21, 10:21 pm, William  wrote:
> The geometry is not all that hard to figure out.  A few mm of length change
> will change your clearance by a few mm.  A few degrees of extra lean before
> you scrape.  Pedal scrapes during a deep lean can be incredibly dangerous.
>
> In my opinion, it is much more important to have the right length for
> pedalling than it is to have the right length for max turning clearance.  I
> ride 172.5mm on all my bikes and when I ride my wife's Betty areound the
> block, the 165mm arms on there feel like a midget bike to me.  Alot of the
> fixie crowd run 165's to promote spinning, but on a geared bike, my
> instinct tells me that 165s would be a mistake.  Narrow width platform
> pedals, like the grip kings, could make more of a difference than crankarm
> length, if you want to experiment more affordably.
>
> There's a semi-famous Greg Lemond quote about pedal clearance.  He said "if
> you think you need to pedal through a corner, you weren't going fast enough
> into the turn".  That's from a purely racer perspective.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2013 11:33:47 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote:
>
> > Hey hey,
> > Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 59 bleriot
> > protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on it.  The
> > pedal strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present frequently.
> > I've tried the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with the gr-9
> > platform pedals.   With toe clips, they strike the ground if moving the
> > bike without my feet in them.  Any hard turns are problematic if you need
> > to pedal through.
>
> > How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 cranks would
> > provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or how new
> > cranks would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure what's in
> > there)so not sure if any of these questions can be answered.

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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Garth]

It'll surely help going to 165's.Or be bold and go with 152 Sugino's 
   I'm tall with big feet and switched to those with a mid foot pedal 
position with Birkenstocks . I just giggle every time I ride because it's 
so much fun and so wonderful feeling.  You get the leverage of a longer 
crank in leverage AND the speed of a short one :)   I would not believe it 
myself until I imagined it .. and did it . Clearance ? ... oh yes ... gobs 
of it !  

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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Garth]

165's will help  or be bold and go with Sugino 152's !I'm tall with 
big feet and switched to these after imaging what it would feel like to 
have the leverage of a long crank but the speed of a short one .  So  I 
tried a mid foot pedal position with my Birks ... and it was Love at first 
ride !!  Purrfect !   I got both leverage AND speed !   I just giggle every 
time I ride because I'd never have believed it had I not tried it. .. and 
that's what I tell anyone who asks.  Theories are like pie in the sky   
better when tasted for real :)

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Re: [RBW] New Blug Post with Jay Ritchey video

[Addison Wilhite]

I wanted more cowbell.


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Agree -- I wanted to hear more of the guitar.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Eric Platt wrote:
>
>> Well, I'll be the first one to complain about the video - the slide
>> guitar wasn't audible enough on the outdoor jam.  Excellent playing but
>> coulda used a second microphone to pick up the instruments better. (That's
>> the guitar playing side of me coming out).
>>
>> Otherwise it was a very enjoyable video.  Makes me want to head back out
>> west some day.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:45 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>>
>>> I was impressed by Mark's articulation and by the obvious lack of
>>> "attitude" among the speakers.
>>>
>>> Packing: the packing for frames and bikes I've received have been real
>>> works of art in themselves.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Wow..I didn't know John left. To me he's almost as much "Rivendell" as
 Grant is. I'm sorry to see him go, and wish him well.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


 On Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:46:56 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:

> John got married and he and his wife (high school sweethearts
> reconnected!) moved to Oregon in early Nov to be near family. Losing John
> was gigantic, but I'm in contact with him daily and it's not all
> pleasure---he may work a few hours a week for us. Mark is the new GM, and
> we're all happy about that. It wasn't a case of -- having to promote from
> within. Mark knows the job, conferred with John about it...and has been
> doing great.
> Anyway, we ALL miss John so much, and he'd have been great  in the
> video. His office would have stolen the show.
> Thank you all for liking it, and to whatever extent Rivendell Bicycle
> *works*, now you know why. Originally Jay and I talked about a
> ten-to-twelve minute videos, and that was the plan. And that was the
> budget, too. A few months later, after all the shooting (I think 
> everything
> was one-take), Jay sent me a 29-minute vid (only the ultra-beginning, with
> me ridng down the trail, and then the typeover was added). Jay is a
> remarkable guy. He dives into things and seems to not know about learning
> curves the way the rest of us do. Jay was a great employee and friend. You
> can't know him without wanting to be more like him and feeling lucky. 
> Super
> guy and he did a great job.
>
>
> On Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:16:23 PM UTC-8, Mike Gillespie wrote:
>>
>> Rivsters,
>>
>> Enjoyed the video.  Looks like a great place to work.  However, I
>> noticed that John Bennett was left out.  Just checked the Riv
>> website,
>> and sure enough, no John listed in the staff line-up.  Mark is now
>> GM.
>>  Seems like a recent change the went unnoticed, unless I misses
>> something.
>>
>> Mike G.
>>
>> On 1/19/13, René Sterental  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It really doesn't matter. As a customer, one of the things that
>> earns my
>> >> loyalty is feeling that the shop/vendor/company will go out if
>> their way
>> >> to
>> >> do something for me. Rivendell has done it in the past and I
>> expect will
>> >> continue to do it in the future if necessary. That is why I have 4
>> >> Rivendell bicycles and keep buying from them things I could buy
>> >> elsewhere.
>> >
>> >
>> > In turn, I try to avoid being unreasonable and taking advantage of
>> them.
>> > I've been in the opposite side of the spectrum, where stuff I
>> wanted was
>> > being sold by a vendor who I felt treated me poorly, and I've
>> learned the
>> > hard way that it wasn't worth buying from them, especially when
>> there are
>> > many other equivalent options out there.
>> >
>> > While as a customer, I do not expect that Rivendell will replace my
>> frames
>> > whenever anything unfortunate happens to them, when I needed them
>> to, for
>> > sizing issues, they volunteered to do it. For an individual, it
>> might mean
>> > everything; for a shop, it will likely b the seed of more future
>> business
>> > and referrals. While there are indeed people who will abuse this,
>> on the
>> > long run the benefit for all will be much larger. For me, it sealed
>> the
>> > deal.
>> >
>> > I don't support the LBS that is closest to me; I support the ones
>> that give
>> > me the best service and go out of their way for me; they make me
>> feel
>> > special and welcome. When they stop doing that due to management
>> changes,
>> > policy changes or because the sales person or mechanic that did it
>> goes
>> > elsewhere, I follow them to their new place of work unless they go
>> out of
>> > town, even if I

[RBW] Re: Jumping into the ride-report game

[Mike Schiller]

Hope the weather is good up there... looks like showers both days.

I need to get up there and ride Mt Tam one of these days.

If you stop at Riv pick me up a green 54 Hunqa.  

~mike

On Monday, January 21, 2013 10:23:30 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Looks like a lot of people are putting on miles this MLK weekend. Great to 
> see them and all the new bikes coming along as well!
>
> I was able to get out yesterday, for my first long ride (>2 hr) since 
> Thanksgiving. I wanted to put some miles in to see if I could pull off the 
> 115K SFR route next weekend, but don't think so. I did  37 miles and was 
> mentally shot by the end. Usually this is a regular out and back for me, 
> but not this time. Physically tired from it, but no ITB concerns in my 
> knee, which has been my bane the last five or so years. Sore wrists today, 
> and a nice friction rash on the Brooks contact area.
>
> Needless to say, I'm not up to doing the Populaire next weekend, which is 
> a real bummer. I'm still going up for the weekend, but hope to instead bang 
> around Mt. Tam, maybe say hi to anybody in the vicinity. If it's wet/muddy 
> around Marin, might instead head over to WC and say hi to Riv people and 
> ride Diablo.
>
> Here are some SoCal ride pics from yesterday: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/archives/date-posted/2013/01/20/  
> 65F when I started, 69F when I got back home. Very windy, with a LOT of 
> cyclers out cycling. Real good to see as many people out as I did.
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>
> **
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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Dave]

Looks like I've got some reading/learning to do in terms of bottom 
brackets.  "All riv's take a 100mm with the Sugino XD-2 crank" is what 
rivbike says on their $40 cartridge bb page.  Then looking at Phil Wood 
bb's on the net there are too many options



On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:26:07 PM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> A square taper BB is $20. Not a big deal. 
>
> On Jan 21, 10:21 pm, William  wrote: 
> > The geometry is not all that hard to figure out.  A few mm of length 
> change 
> > will change your clearance by a few mm.  A few degrees of extra lean 
> before 
> > you scrape.  Pedal scrapes during a deep lean can be incredibly 
> dangerous. 
> > 
> > In my opinion, it is much more important to have the right length for 
> > pedalling than it is to have the right length for max turning clearance. 
>  I 
> > ride 172.5mm on all my bikes and when I ride my wife's Betty areound the 
> > block, the 165mm arms on there feel like a midget bike to me.  Alot of 
> the 
> > fixie crowd run 165's to promote spinning, but on a geared bike, my 
> > instinct tells me that 165s would be a mistake.  Narrow width platform 
> > pedals, like the grip kings, could make more of a difference than 
> crankarm 
> > length, if you want to experiment more affordably. 
> > 
> > There's a semi-famous Greg Lemond quote about pedal clearance.  He said 
> "if 
> > you think you need to pedal through a corner, you weren't going fast 
> enough 
> > into the turn".  That's from a purely racer perspective. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Monday, January 21, 2013 11:33:47 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote: 
> > 
> > > Hey hey, 
> > > Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 59 
> bleriot 
> > > protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on it. 
>  The 
> > > pedal strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present frequently. 
> > > I've tried the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with the 
> gr-9 
> > > platform pedals.   With toe clips, they strike the ground if moving 
> the 
> > > bike without my feet in them.  Any hard turns are problematic if you 
> need 
> > > to pedal through. 
> > 
> > > How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 cranks 
> would 
> > > provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or how 
> new 
> > > cranks would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure what's in 
> > > there)so not sure if any of these questions can be answered. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Michael]

>
> FYI:
>  
>
I ride a 55 Bleriot with Ultegra 172.5 cranks and MKS touring pedals with 
toe clips.
The clips drag the ground when walking the bike, but there is nary a pedal 
strike when cornering (non-racer style cornering).
 
 

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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Michael]

>
> Also FYI:
> Lon Haldeman, who is very tall and long limbed, rode 170 cranks on his 
> race bike according to interview in RR.
> Maybe go to 170 cranks.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Says 110mm, like this one,
http://www.jensonusa.com/Bottom-Brackets/Shimano-UN53-Square-Taper-BB
$10

On Jan 21, 10:42 pm, Dave  wrote:
> Looks like I've got some reading/learning to do in terms of bottom
> brackets.  "All riv's take a 100mm with the Sugino XD-2 crank" is what
> rivbike says on their $40 cartridge bb page.  Then looking at Phil Wood
> bb's on the net there are too many options
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:26:07 PM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > A square taper BB is $20. Not a big deal.
>
> > On Jan 21, 10:21 pm, William  wrote:
> > > The geometry is not all that hard to figure out.  A few mm of length
> > change
> > > will change your clearance by a few mm.  A few degrees of extra lean
> > before
> > > you scrape.  Pedal scrapes during a deep lean can be incredibly
> > dangerous.
>
> > > In my opinion, it is much more important to have the right length for
> > > pedalling than it is to have the right length for max turning clearance.
> >  I
> > > ride 172.5mm on all my bikes and when I ride my wife's Betty areound the
> > > block, the 165mm arms on there feel like a midget bike to me.  Alot of
> > the
> > > fixie crowd run 165's to promote spinning, but on a geared bike, my
> > > instinct tells me that 165s would be a mistake.  Narrow width platform
> > > pedals, like the grip kings, could make more of a difference than
> > crankarm
> > > length, if you want to experiment more affordably.
>
> > > There's a semi-famous Greg Lemond quote about pedal clearance.  He said
> > "if
> > > you think you need to pedal through a corner, you weren't going fast
> > enough
> > > into the turn".  That's from a purely racer perspective.
>
> > > On Monday, January 21, 2013 11:33:47 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote:
>
> > > > Hey hey,
> > > > Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 59
> > bleriot
> > > > protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on it.
> >  The
> > > > pedal strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present frequently.
> > > > I've tried the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with the
> > gr-9
> > > > platform pedals.   With toe clips, they strike the ground if moving
> > the
> > > > bike without my feet in them.  Any hard turns are problematic if you
> > need
> > > > to pedal through.
>
> > > > How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 cranks
> > would
> > > > provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or how
> > new
> > > > cranks would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure what's in
> > > > there)so not sure if any of these questions can be answered.

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[Michael]

>
> I am not ready to buy yet, so I don't want to waste their time on the 
> phone at this point.
> At this point I am still going with the Hilsen when I get to buy for all 
> its eylet/braze on options, even though I am a saddle bag kinda guy and 
> don't need racks for the riding I do.
> The Hilsen sems like the more reasonable frame for me. Plus I think it 
> looks better ;)
>  
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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Dave]

Thanks Jay.  Typo on my part.  110mm.  Then with Phil Wood, seems like 110 
isn't an option.108, 111, 113.  Not that I'm ready to drop that kind of 
cash, but just trying to understand my options.



On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:51:08 PM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Says 110mm, like this one, 
> http://www.jensonusa.com/Bottom-Brackets/Shimano-UN53-Square-Taper-BB 
> $10 
>
> On Jan 21, 10:42 pm, Dave  wrote: 
> > Looks like I've got some reading/learning to do in terms of bottom 
> > brackets.  "All riv's take a 100mm with the Sugino XD-2 crank" is what 
> > rivbike says on their $40 cartridge bb page.  Then looking at Phil Wood 
> > bb's on the net there are too many options 
> > 
> > On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:26:07 PM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > A square taper BB is $20. Not a big deal. 
> > 
> > > On Jan 21, 10:21 pm, William  wrote: 
> > > > The geometry is not all that hard to figure out.  A few mm of length 
> > > change 
> > > > will change your clearance by a few mm.  A few degrees of extra lean 
> > > before 
> > > > you scrape.  Pedal scrapes during a deep lean can be incredibly 
> > > dangerous. 
> > 
> > > > In my opinion, it is much more important to have the right length 
> for 
> > > > pedalling than it is to have the right length for max turning 
> clearance. 
> > >  I 
> > > > ride 172.5mm on all my bikes and when I ride my wife's Betty areound 
> the 
> > > > block, the 165mm arms on there feel like a midget bike to me.  Alot 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > fixie crowd run 165's to promote spinning, but on a geared bike, my 
> > > > instinct tells me that 165s would be a mistake.  Narrow width 
> platform 
> > > > pedals, like the grip kings, could make more of a difference than 
> > > crankarm 
> > > > length, if you want to experiment more affordably. 
> > 
> > > > There's a semi-famous Greg Lemond quote about pedal clearance.  He 
> said 
> > > "if 
> > > > you think you need to pedal through a corner, you weren't going fast 
> > > enough 
> > > > into the turn".  That's from a purely racer perspective. 
> > 
> > > > On Monday, January 21, 2013 11:33:47 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote: 
> > 
> > > > > Hey hey, 
> > > > > Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 59 
> > > bleriot 
> > > > > protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on 
> it. 
> > >  The 
> > > > > pedal strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present 
> frequently. 
> > > > > I've tried the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with the 
> > > gr-9 
> > > > > platform pedals.   With toe clips, they strike the ground if 
> moving 
> > > the 
> > > > > bike without my feet in them.  Any hard turns are problematic if 
> you 
> > > need 
> > > > > to pedal through. 
> > 
> > > > > How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 cranks 
> > > would 
> > > > > provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or 
> how 
> > > new 
> > > > > cranks would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure what's 
> in 
> > > > > there)so not sure if any of these questions can be answered. 
>

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[RBW] Re: On chainsuck

[dougP]

Considering what a nuisance it is to change inner rings, I'd pitch it so as 
to avoid temptation, especially as the new one solved the problem.  You may 
consider more frequent chain replacements.  I've gone from replacing chains 
"whenever" to every 3-4,000 miles max.  It makes the expensive, harder to 
replace parts last longer.  My climate is relatively dry and easy on drive 
trains.  I've slogged thru that red clay mud in Thailand & it's gotta be a 
whole tougher on drive trains.

dougP

On Monday, January 21, 2013 5:07:03 AM UTC-8, Paul Y wrote:
>
> My Hillborne and its Sugino XD2 are about 3 years old. I recently put a 
> new chain on and had 100% reliable chain suck on the granny ring. 
> Earl Grey helped me out with a replacement ring and I put it on this 
> afternoon. Its interesting to note how severely burred the original ring is 
> on several teeth.
>
> I'm wondering if I filed down the burrs, if this chain ring could provide 
> any further useful life, or if the profile is already beyond salvage. 
>
> The new ring has solved the problem completely! 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Renovelo

[James Warren]

CORRECTION:

On second thought, ignore what I said about raising the seat. Everything else I 
said was true but it is true that with the Expanded frames you do show more 
seatpost. So yes, the 64 cm Renovelo would show less seatpost than a 62 cm 
Hunq. However, the 62 cm would feel like a bigger bike. The Expanded geometry 
frames achieve higher headtubes and handlebars with lower seat clusters (as a 
result of the angle.) For a given seat height, obviously a 62 frame will show 
more seatpost than a 64 frame. Sorry for that one erroneous part of my message.

-Jim W.

 
On Jan 21, 2013, at 10:09 AM, James Warren wrote:

> If you need a 62 Hunq, then you probably need the seat raised with the 64 
> Renovelo you see. This Renovelo has a 2 degree up sloping TT. The Hunq's 
> corresponding angle is 6 degrees. This results in the Hunq's head tube 
> position being 4 cm higher than the 2 degree bikes, given equal seat tube 
> lengths.
> 
> Rivendell has had two sizing styles (6 degree sloping TT's and the 2ish 
> degree sloping TT's.) It's important to know which type you're looking at for 
> a given frame. I fit equally well on a 64 cm Rambouillet and a 60 cm Sam 
> Hillborne, because of this difference.
> 
> This Renovelo was a Rambouillet, so the proper size for you, based on seat 
> tube, will be larger than it would be for the Hunq. If 62 Hunq were your 
> ideal size, I would guess that 66 would be your starting approximation in 
> Rambouillet sizing.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 20, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Erin R  
> wrote:
> 
>> Peter, I'm newer on here. Is this similar to the Hunquapillar? If I'd need a 
>> 62cm in the Hunquapillar would there be a way that w the seat lowered this 
>> could work for me? Not sure how to figure this out. Thanks in advance. 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Leslie]

I've got a 107 on my Bomba w/ the XD2 crankset, works fine; but the 110 
would be great, too. (My Ram has a Shimano Octalink BB/crankset, so 
it's not directly comparable...)  

A 170 might be good to try;  but I'm still thinking 'simpler' fixes 
first...   can a Bleriot fit Hetres?   That'd be a little bit more height 
than the Col de la Vie...  maybe not enough to matter, but, maybe so...

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[RBW] Re: Fit Issues with my Rivendell

[Michael]

>
> There may be something to what you are saying about the hamstrings as I 
> noticed the back problem starting when it started to get cold here 
> in Maryland this year and my hamstrings seem to be tighter these days (I do 
> some light regular stretching).
>  
>
 
I have the bars down to 1.75cm above saddle height now, and am starting to 
feel falling forward and getting limited viewing pleasure as the head is 
down more.
 
I am just really frustrated because there are 10 ways to adjust a bike, and 
so many combos, and it is hard to solve this problem. Though the ride 
yesterday was better with bars at 1.75 above saddle.

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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Dave]

bleriot can fit hetres I believe, and hope to get a pair once these col de 
la vie's need replacing.  May give Grip Kings a go, although I really doubt 
they'll be narrower than the platform pedals or the MKS streams.

On Monday, January 21, 2013 1:12:51 PM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>
> I've got a 107 on my Bomba w/ the XD2 crankset, works fine; but the 110 
> would be great, too. (My Ram has a Shimano Octalink BB/crankset, so 
> it's not directly comparable...)  
>
> A 170 might be good to try;  but I'm still thinking 'simpler' fixes 
> first...   can a Bleriot fit Hetres?   That'd be a little bit more height 
> than the Col de la Vie...  maybe not enough to matter, but, maybe so...
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Garth]

With a Tange or Shimano Cartridge, the 107 and 110 have the same drive side 
length, so the 110 simply gives you 3mm more on the left. 

However, with Shimano's they have a lip built into the *left* side cup also 
so if you use a driveside spacer it won't sung up all the way with the 
cartridge.  FWIW . 

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RE: [RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Sorry, all.  Second link was bad.  For those interested, here's the 
post-reshellacking.  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7107219303/in/set-72157626433454817

From: Allingham II, Thomas J (WIL)
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:55 AM
To: 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

I did, and it works great.  Pic here (please excuse the poor harlequin effort - 
 I was making it up as I went along.  Anyway, the question was about shellac!). 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/5645451069/in/set-72157626433454817  
And the great thing about shellac - that you can reapply and make the bars look 
fresh without having to rewrap - works, if anything, even better with harlequin 
wraps.  This pic shows the bars after a reapplication, following a year's 
accumulation of Philadelphia grime from a year of everyday commuting by my son. 
 Scrubbed off the dirt, a couple of new coats right over the old, and voila!  
As good as new.  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/5645451069/in/set-72157626433454817

From: 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Y
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:17 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Harlequin How-To

Superb video! I'd really like to try this now.
Added Newbaums to the shopping list...

Does anyone use shellac on bars done with this type of wrap?
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[RBW] Re: Optimal tire pressure questions...

[Michael]

>
> Do Hetres have inflation pressure ranges on the sidewalls?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fit Issues with my Rivendell

[Rex Kerr]

Adding more fuel to your fire, your saddle looks too far back to me.  I
originally set up my AHH with the saddle pushed back due to the advice I
read, then spent 6 months wondering why I didn't enjoy riding it as much as
my other bikes -- I just couldn't get comfortable.  Once I pushed it
forward again I was MUCH happier.

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[RBW] Stuff for sale

[justinaugust]

Ill take those Paul levers - mobile wont let me reply directly!

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 13:20 -0800, Dave wrote:
> bleriot can fit hetres I believe,

Joan's definitely does.  Bleriot is essentially the same as Saluki, and
mine fit Hetres.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Jumping into the ride-report game

[cyclotourist]

I've been obsessively watching the weather reports... looks like this was
the weekend to be in the Bay Area!

Would you be okay w/ a gray/kidney 54 Hunq?


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Mike Schiller
wrote:

> Hope the weather is good up there... looks like showers both days.
>
> I need to get up there and ride Mt Tam one of these days.
>
> If you stop at Riv pick me up a green 54 Hunqa.
>
> ~mike
>
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2013 10:23:30 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Looks like a lot of people are putting on miles this MLK weekend. Great
>> to see them and all the new bikes coming along as well!
>>
>> I was able to get out yesterday, for my first long ride (>2 hr) since
>> Thanksgiving. I wanted to put some miles in to see if I could pull off the
>> 115K SFR route next weekend, but don't think so. I did  37 miles and was
>> mentally shot by the end. Usually this is a regular out and back for me,
>> but not this time. Physically tired from it, but no ITB concerns in my
>> knee, which has been my bane the last five or so years. Sore wrists today,
>> and a nice friction rash on the Brooks contact area.
>>
>> Needless to say, I'm not up to doing the Populaire next weekend, which is
>> a real bummer. I'm still going up for the weekend, but hope to instead bang
>> around Mt. Tam, maybe say hi to anybody in the vicinity. If it's wet/muddy
>> around Marin, might instead head over to WC and say hi to Riv people and
>> ride Diablo.
>>
>> Here are some SoCal ride pics from yesterday:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**cyclotourist/archives/date-**
>> posted/2013/01/20/
>> 65F when I started, 69F when I got back home. Very windy, with a LOT of
>> cyclers out cycling. Real good to see as many people out as I did.
>>
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>> Redlands, CA
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[RBW] Quickbeam Memories

[campyonlyguy]

Oh, the places my Quickbeam has taken me. Came across this blog post from 2006 
as I was responding to another email … photos and report from midway through a 
14-day fixed gear ride from California to Kansas. 

On this particular day, we rode 151 miles across southern Utah. As I reported 
that day (an opinion I still hold), this was probably the most scenic day of 
riding in my entire life, encompassing ridge tops, mountains, and the utterly 
spectacular Capitol Reef area. All on a fixed gear!

Photos and a brief blog post here:

http://bigfix2006.blogspot.com/2006/06/day-seven-recap.html

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[RBW] Re: Fit Issues with my Rivendell

[Joe K]

I'm far from an expert on fit -- I probably shouldn't even be
responding here --  but under your body, that bike just looks small to
me.  Are you getting decent leg extension with the pedal at 6 o'clock?

Joe

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> originally set up my AHH with the saddle pushed back due to the advice I
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> my other bikes -- I just couldn't get comfortable.  Once I pushed it
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fit Issues with my Rivendell

[Peter Morgano]

I didnt want to the the first "Big Riv" guy but the bike does look a bit
small.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Joe K  wrote:

> I'm far from an expert on fit -- I probably shouldn't even be
> responding here --  but under your body, that bike just looks small to
> me.  Are you getting decent leg extension with the pedal at 6 o'clock?
>
> Joe
>
> On Jan 21, 4:31 pm, Rex Kerr  wrote:
> > Adding more fuel to your fire, your saddle looks too far back to me.  I
> > originally set up my AHH with the saddle pushed back due to the advice I
> > read, then spent 6 months wondering why I didn't enjoy riding it as much
> as
> > my other bikes -- I just couldn't get comfortable.  Once I pushed it
> > forward again I was MUCH happier.
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[RBW] Re: Jumping into the ride-report game

[Mike Schiller]

A used Gray/Kidney Hunqa would be even better.  I shoulda bought on when 
they were discounted..

~mike


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Re: [RBW] Re: Jumping into the ride-report game

[cyclotourist]

Yes you should have!!! I shoulda' picked up a 58" as well!!!


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

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> they were discounted..
>
> ~mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jumping into the ride-report game

[cyclotourist]

58cm that is.


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 2:07 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Yes you should have!!! I shoulda' picked up a 58" as well!!!
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Mike Schiller 
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>> A used Gray/Kidney Hunqa would be even better.  I shoulda bought on when
>> they were discounted..
>>
>> ~mike
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Joe Bernard]

The best bet for mounting XD2s on a Bleriot is to contact Rivendell for BB 
length. Mark's email is m...@rivbike.com. He'll know what a Bleriot runs.
 
On the topic of pedal strike, I can't remember the last time I did that. I 
either coast through with inside pedal up, or carve the turn with a very 
shallow lean. In my opinion, most turns do not need to be pedaled through, 
and that habit is kinda dangerous.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, January 21, 2013 1:40:48 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

> On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 13:20 -0800, Dave wrote: 
> > bleriot can fit hetres I believe, 
>
> Joan's definitely does.  Bleriot is essentially the same as Saluki, and 
> mine fit Hetres. 
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>
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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Those differences are mostly inconsequential. Take for example the 108. 
Compared to the 110, it's narrower by 1mm per side. OK, so sometimes that 
can mean the difference between the crank arms clearing the chainstay, but 
most of the time it's really not that important to get the BB length spot 
on. Especially for a square taper BB/crank system, using or not using 
grease on the taper and torquing to spec (whose spec) can also change the 
installation by millimeters.


On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:55:31 PM UTC-8, Dave wrote:
>
> Thanks Jay.  Typo on my part.  110mm.  Then with Phil Wood, seems like 110 
> isn't an option.108, 111, 113.  Not that I'm ready to drop that kind of 
> cash, but just trying to understand my options.
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:51:08 PM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> Says 110mm, like this one, 
>> http://www.jensonusa.com/Bottom-Brackets/Shimano-UN53-Square-Taper-BB 
>> $10 
>>
>> On Jan 21, 10:42 pm, Dave  wrote: 
>> > Looks like I've got some reading/learning to do in terms of bottom 
>> > brackets.  "All riv's take a 100mm with the Sugino XD-2 crank" is what 
>> > rivbike says on their $40 cartridge bb page.  Then looking at Phil Wood 
>> > bb's on the net there are too many options 
>> > 
>> > On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:26:07 PM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > > A square taper BB is $20. Not a big deal. 
>> > 
>> > > On Jan 21, 10:21 pm, William  wrote: 
>> > > > The geometry is not all that hard to figure out.  A few mm of 
>> length 
>> > > change 
>> > > > will change your clearance by a few mm.  A few degrees of extra 
>> lean 
>> > > before 
>> > > > you scrape.  Pedal scrapes during a deep lean can be incredibly 
>> > > dangerous. 
>> > 
>> > > > In my opinion, it is much more important to have the right length 
>> for 
>> > > > pedalling than it is to have the right length for max turning 
>> clearance. 
>> > >  I 
>> > > > ride 172.5mm on all my bikes and when I ride my wife's Betty 
>> areound the 
>> > > > block, the 165mm arms on there feel like a midget bike to me.  Alot 
>> of 
>> > > the 
>> > > > fixie crowd run 165's to promote spinning, but on a geared bike, my 
>> > > > instinct tells me that 165s would be a mistake.  Narrow width 
>> platform 
>> > > > pedals, like the grip kings, could make more of a difference than 
>> > > crankarm 
>> > > > length, if you want to experiment more affordably. 
>> > 
>> > > > There's a semi-famous Greg Lemond quote about pedal clearance.  He 
>> said 
>> > > "if 
>> > > > you think you need to pedal through a corner, you weren't going 
>> fast 
>> > > enough 
>> > > > into the turn".  That's from a purely racer perspective. 
>> > 
>> > > > On Monday, January 21, 2013 11:33:47 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote: 
>> > 
>> > > > > Hey hey, 
>> > > > > Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 59 
>> > > bleriot 
>> > > > > protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on 
>> it. 
>> > >  The 
>> > > > > pedal strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present 
>> frequently. 
>> > > > > I've tried the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with 
>> the 
>> > > gr-9 
>> > > > > platform pedals.   With toe clips, they strike the ground if 
>> moving 
>> > > the 
>> > > > > bike without my feet in them.  Any hard turns are problematic if 
>> you 
>> > > need 
>> > > > > to pedal through. 
>> > 
>> > > > > How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 
>> cranks 
>> > > would 
>> > > > > provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or 
>> how 
>> > > new 
>> > > > > cranks would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure 
>> what's in 
>> > > > > there)so not sure if any of these questions can be answered. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Beautiful 52cm custom on ebay

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Might be difficult to do the conversion...

>From 700C to 650B, you'll need to drop the brake pads by about 19mm. That 
appears doable on the front but the rear brake is already mid-slotted so 
that may be problematic. Furthermore, the current brakes look to be 
Dia-Compe Mod 750. These brakes have one of the longest brake reaches (of 
easily obtainable brakes) so it may be difficult to get a longer reach 
replacement.




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> Nice as is, but begs for a 650B conversion:  
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200882676560&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
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[RBW] Noodle sold 44 cm Nitto Noodles, $40 + shipping

[Bertin753]

I said "sold"!

Patrick Moore
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On Jan 21, 2013, at 1:15 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Or trade for good condition On-One Midges OR something approximating a 38 cm 
> Grand Bois Maes Parallel (115 mm reach 125 mm drop).
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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Dave]

Thanks for all the replies folks!

On Monday, January 21, 2013 2:36:28 PM UTC-8, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
> Those differences are mostly inconsequential. Take for example the 108. 
> Compared to the 110, it's narrower by 1mm per side. OK, so sometimes that 
> can mean the difference between the crank arms clearing the chainstay, but 
> most of the time it's really not that important to get the BB length spot 
> on. Especially for a square taper BB/crank system, using or not using 
> grease on the taper and torquing to spec (whose spec) can also change the 
> installation by millimeters.
>
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:55:31 PM UTC-8, Dave wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Jay.  Typo on my part.  110mm.  Then with Phil Wood, seems like 
>> 110 isn't an option.108, 111, 113.  Not that I'm ready to drop that 
>> kind of cash, but just trying to understand my options.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:51:08 PM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>>
>>> Says 110mm, like this one, 
>>> http://www.jensonusa.com/Bottom-Brackets/Shimano-UN53-Square-Taper-BB 
>>> $10 
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 10:42 pm, Dave  wrote: 
>>> > Looks like I've got some reading/learning to do in terms of bottom 
>>> > brackets.  "All riv's take a 100mm with the Sugino XD-2 crank" is what 
>>> > rivbike says on their $40 cartridge bb page.  Then looking at Phil 
>>> Wood 
>>> > bb's on the net there are too many options 
>>> > 
>>> > On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:26:07 PM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > > A square taper BB is $20. Not a big deal. 
>>> > 
>>> > > On Jan 21, 10:21 pm, William  wrote: 
>>> > > > The geometry is not all that hard to figure out.  A few mm of 
>>> length 
>>> > > change 
>>> > > > will change your clearance by a few mm.  A few degrees of extra 
>>> lean 
>>> > > before 
>>> > > > you scrape.  Pedal scrapes during a deep lean can be incredibly 
>>> > > dangerous. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > In my opinion, it is much more important to have the right length 
>>> for 
>>> > > > pedalling than it is to have the right length for max turning 
>>> clearance. 
>>> > >  I 
>>> > > > ride 172.5mm on all my bikes and when I ride my wife's Betty 
>>> areound the 
>>> > > > block, the 165mm arms on there feel like a midget bike to me. 
>>>  Alot of 
>>> > > the 
>>> > > > fixie crowd run 165's to promote spinning, but on a geared bike, 
>>> my 
>>> > > > instinct tells me that 165s would be a mistake.  Narrow width 
>>> platform 
>>> > > > pedals, like the grip kings, could make more of a difference than 
>>> > > crankarm 
>>> > > > length, if you want to experiment more affordably. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > There's a semi-famous Greg Lemond quote about pedal clearance.  He 
>>> said 
>>> > > "if 
>>> > > > you think you need to pedal through a corner, you weren't going 
>>> fast 
>>> > > enough 
>>> > > > into the turn".  That's from a purely racer perspective. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > On Monday, January 21, 2013 11:33:47 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > > > > Hey hey, 
>>> > > > > Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 
>>> 59 
>>> > > bleriot 
>>> > > > > protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on 
>>> it. 
>>> > >  The 
>>> > > > > pedal strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present 
>>> frequently. 
>>> > > > > I've tried the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with 
>>> the 
>>> > > gr-9 
>>> > > > > platform pedals.   With toe clips, they strike the ground if 
>>> moving 
>>> > > the 
>>> > > > > bike without my feet in them.  Any hard turns are problematic if 
>>> you 
>>> > > need 
>>> > > > > to pedal through. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > > How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 
>>> cranks 
>>> > > would 
>>> > > > > provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or 
>>> how 
>>> > > new 
>>> > > > > cranks would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure 
>>> what's in 
>>> > > > > there)so not sure if any of these questions can be answered. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset length

[Dave]

Thanks for all the replies!  I talked with Brian over at RBW who suggested 
170mm crank arms on the bleriot for a rider my height.  

Anyone have an extra used or new sugino xd2 170mm?

Dave

On Monday, January 21, 2013 2:36:28 PM UTC-8, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
> Those differences are mostly inconsequential. Take for example the 108. 
> Compared to the 110, it's narrower by 1mm per side. OK, so sometimes that 
> can mean the difference between the crank arms clearing the chainstay, but 
> most of the time it's really not that important to get the BB length spot 
> on. Especially for a square taper BB/crank system, using or not using 
> grease on the taper and torquing to spec (whose spec) can also change the 
> installation by millimeters.
>
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:55:31 PM UTC-8, Dave wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Jay.  Typo on my part.  110mm.  Then with Phil Wood, seems like 
>> 110 isn't an option.108, 111, 113.  Not that I'm ready to drop that 
>> kind of cash, but just trying to understand my options.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:51:08 PM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>>
>>> Says 110mm, like this one, 
>>> http://www.jensonusa.com/Bottom-Brackets/Shimano-UN53-Square-Taper-BB 
>>> $10 
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 10:42 pm, Dave  wrote: 
>>> > Looks like I've got some reading/learning to do in terms of bottom 
>>> > brackets.  "All riv's take a 100mm with the Sugino XD-2 crank" is what 
>>> > rivbike says on their $40 cartridge bb page.  Then looking at Phil 
>>> Wood 
>>> > bb's on the net there are too many options 
>>> > 
>>> > On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:26:07 PM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > > A square taper BB is $20. Not a big deal. 
>>> > 
>>> > > On Jan 21, 10:21 pm, William  wrote: 
>>> > > > The geometry is not all that hard to figure out.  A few mm of 
>>> length 
>>> > > change 
>>> > > > will change your clearance by a few mm.  A few degrees of extra 
>>> lean 
>>> > > before 
>>> > > > you scrape.  Pedal scrapes during a deep lean can be incredibly 
>>> > > dangerous. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > In my opinion, it is much more important to have the right length 
>>> for 
>>> > > > pedalling than it is to have the right length for max turning 
>>> clearance. 
>>> > >  I 
>>> > > > ride 172.5mm on all my bikes and when I ride my wife's Betty 
>>> areound the 
>>> > > > block, the 165mm arms on there feel like a midget bike to me. 
>>>  Alot of 
>>> > > the 
>>> > > > fixie crowd run 165's to promote spinning, but on a geared bike, 
>>> my 
>>> > > > instinct tells me that 165s would be a mistake.  Narrow width 
>>> platform 
>>> > > > pedals, like the grip kings, could make more of a difference than 
>>> > > crankarm 
>>> > > > length, if you want to experiment more affordably. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > There's a semi-famous Greg Lemond quote about pedal clearance.  He 
>>> said 
>>> > > "if 
>>> > > > you think you need to pedal through a corner, you weren't going 
>>> fast 
>>> > > enough 
>>> > > > into the turn".  That's from a purely racer perspective. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > On Monday, January 21, 2013 11:33:47 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > > > > Hey hey, 
>>> > > > > Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 
>>> 59 
>>> > > bleriot 
>>> > > > > protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on 
>>> it. 
>>> > >  The 
>>> > > > > pedal strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present 
>>> frequently. 
>>> > > > > I've tried the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with 
>>> the 
>>> > > gr-9 
>>> > > > > platform pedals.   With toe clips, they strike the ground if 
>>> moving 
>>> > > the 
>>> > > > > bike without my feet in them.  Any hard turns are problematic if 
>>> you 
>>> > > need 
>>> > > > > to pedal through. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > > How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 
>>> cranks 
>>> > > would 
>>> > > > > provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or 
>>> how 
>>> > > new 
>>> > > > > cranks would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure 
>>> what's in 
>>> > > > > there)so not sure if any of these questions can be answered. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Jumping into the ride-report game

[Jim M.]

Nice ride report! 

If it does get muddy, you're better off on Mt Tam than Diablo. Diablo mud 
often makes the trails unrideable. If you head over for Diablo, though, let 
us know and there will probably be some locals to show you around.

jim m
wc ca

On Monday, January 21, 2013 10:23:30 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Looks like a lot of people are putting on miles this MLK weekend. Great to 
> see them and all the new bikes coming along as well!
>
> I was able to get out yesterday, for my first long ride (>2 hr) since 
> Thanksgiving. I wanted to put some miles in to see if I could pull off the 
> 115K SFR route next weekend, but don't think so. I did  37 miles and was 
> mentally shot by the end. Usually this is a regular out and back for me, 
> but not this time. Physically tired from it, but no ITB concerns in my 
> knee, which has been my bane the last five or so years. Sore wrists today, 
> and a nice friction rash on the Brooks contact area.
>
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[RBW] Re: Fit Issues with my Rivendell

[Michael]

>
> According to the Rivendell Bleriot sizing chart in the Bleriot Flyer, as 
> posted on the cyclofiend site, I fall smack dab into the 55 size.
> I was surprised how large I look on it  whe I first saw the pics. I had 
> never seen myself on it before and always thought it would look bigger 
> under me.
>  
>
However; I have gone from an 8cm stem to 7cm because the reach felt too far 
even when I had the saddle in the mid section with the 8cm stem.
 
BTW I'll be glad to trade if someone wants a 55 and has a 57, or a  56 Ram? 

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[RBW] Re: Fit Issues with my Rivendell

[Michael]

>
> By the way:
> I really want to thank everybody for helping me on this. I really 
> appreciate it!
> Kep it coming if you have any ideas. I need help.
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[RBW] Re: My Rambouillet PICS

[Michael]

>
>
>  

Nice shots!! Thanks for sharing. 

>   
>
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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Memories

[Jim Mather]

Definitely an epic ride! My legs burn just thinking of all that
distance and climbing with a fixed gear.

jim m
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On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 1:48 PM,   wrote:
> Oh, the places my Quickbeam has taken me. Came across this blog post from
> 2006 as I was responding to another email … photos and report from midway
> through a 14-day fixed gear ride from California to Kansas.
>
> On this particular day, we rode 151 miles across southern Utah. As I
> reported that day (an opinion I still hold), this was probably the most
> scenic day of riding in my entire life, encompassing ridge tops, mountains,
> and the utterly spectacular Capitol Reef area. All on a fixed gear!
>
> Photos and a brief blog post here:
>
> http://bigfix2006.blogspot.com/2006/06/day-seven-recap.html
>
> --Eric Norris
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[RBW] Fattest/supplest 700c tires for my S1

[justinaugust]

Hey folks
Just wondering what the general consensus is for the best combination of fat 
and supple tires for 700c. I currently have Pasela 32c on it but would like a 
bit more cush if I can get it while not going full on Schwalbe tank. 

Thanks!
-J

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Re: [RBW] Fattest/supplest 700c tires for my S1

[Jim Mather]

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 4:01 PM,   wrote:
> Hey folks
> Just wondering what the general consensus is for the best combination of fat 
> and supple tires for 700c. I currently have Pasela 32c on it but would like a 
> bit more cush if I can get it while not
> going full on Schwalbe tank.


I had 700x50 Big Apples on my Quickbeam.
Rear: http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/3447717271/in/photostream
Front: http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/3447717129/in/photostream

Tight but it worked, and you need very true wheels. I've settled on
Marathon Supremes at 700x40. Very cushy and definitely less tank-like
than the Big Apples.

jim m
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Re: [RBW] Fattest/supplest 700c tires for my S1

[PATRICK MOORE]

Let me urge upon y'all that as porky as the Big Apples undoubtedly are (I
don't bother with the nasty, skinny 50s. The 60s I have are the LiteSkin
model at a svelte 800 gr) they do roll very well for their heft even at
absurdly low pressures.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Jim Mather  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 4:01 PM,   wrote:
> > Hey folks
> > Just wondering what the general consensus is for the best combination of
> fat and supple tires for 700c. I currently have Pasela 32c on it but would
> like a bit more cush if I can get it while not
> > going full on Schwalbe tank.
>
>
> I had 700x50 Big Apples on my Quickbeam.
> Rear: http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/3447717271/in/photostream
> Front: http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/3447717129/in/photostream
>
> Tight but it worked, and you need very true wheels. I've settled on
> Marathon Supremes at 700x40. Very cushy and definitely less tank-like
> than the Big Apples.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Rambouillet PICS

[Bruce Herbitter]

Green bike, that looks gray in some shots?   Pretty bike, either way

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>>
>
> Nice shots!! Thanks for sharing.
>
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Re: [RBW] Fattest/supplest 700c tires for my S1

[Scot Brooks]

My first foray into the world of supple(r) tires (after trying a few different 
breeds of Marathons) is with the 35c Soma New XPress tires. They feel good to 
me and I run them at 65-70psi or thereabouts. They're folders as well, which is 
a nice touch. 35c in the Soma is noticeably bigger than 35c on my Marathon 
Racers, probably closer to what Schwalbe would call 38c. 

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Re: [RBW] Fattest/supplest 700c tires for my S1

[Bruce Gordon]

You might want to look at the Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Road tires - they are 700x43 
http://www.bgcycles.com/rock-n-road-tire.html  

Regards,
Bruce Gordon

On Jan 21, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Jim Mather wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 4:01 PM,   wrote:
>> Hey folks
>> Just wondering what the general consensus is for the best combination of fat 
>> and supple tires for 700c. I currently have Pasela 32c on it but would like 
>> a bit more cush if I can get it while not
>> going full on Schwalbe tank.
> 
> 
> I had 700x50 Big Apples on my Quickbeam.
> Rear: http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/3447717271/in/photostream
> Front: http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/3447717129/in/photostream
> 
> Tight but it worked, and you need very true wheels. I've settled on
> Marathon Supremes at 700x40. Very cushy and definitely less tank-like
> than the Big Apples.
> 
> jim m
> wc ca
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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Memories

[campyonlyguy]

Yes, that was a hard day (not the hardest of the ride) but oh my, how beautiful.

--Eric Norris
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On Jan 21, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Jim Mather  wrote:

> Definitely an epic ride! My legs burn just thinking of all that
> distance and climbing with a fixed gear.
> 
> jim m
> wc ca
> 
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 1:48 PM,   wrote:
>> Oh, the places my Quickbeam has taken me. Came across this blog post from
>> 2006 as I was responding to another email … photos and report from midway
>> through a 14-day fixed gear ride from California to Kansas.
>> 
>> On this particular day, we rode 151 miles across southern Utah. As I
>> reported that day (an opinion I still hold), this was probably the most
>> scenic day of riding in my entire life, encompassing ridge tops, mountains,
>> and the utterly spectacular Capitol Reef area. All on a fixed gear!
>> 
>> Photos and a brief blog post here:
>> 
>> http://bigfix2006.blogspot.com/2006/06/day-seven-recap.html
>> 
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyonly...@me.com
>> www.campyonly.com
>> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
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[RBW] FS: Sugino Crankset and Pasela's

[Mike Schiller]

Cleaning out last Sugino XD-2 175mm Crankset with low miles   $75 shipped 
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also brand new pair non tour guard 32mm skinwall Pasela's  $45 shipped

contact me offline if interested.

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Memories

[Bill Gibson]

A good day to remember; I am dreaming of the time I will ride it.


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 5:40 PM,  wrote:

> Yes, that was a hard day (not the hardest of the ride) but oh my, how
> beautiful.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>
> On Jan 21, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Jim Mather  wrote:
>
> > Definitely an epic ride! My legs burn just thinking of all that
> > distance and climbing with a fixed gear.
> >
> > jim m
> > wc ca
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 1:48 PM,   wrote:
> >> Oh, the places my Quickbeam has taken me. Came across this blog post
> from
> >> 2006 as I was responding to another email … photos and report from
> midway
> >> through a 14-day fixed gear ride from California to Kansas.
> >>
> >> On this particular day, we rode 151 miles across southern Utah. As I
> >> reported that day (an opinion I still hold), this was probably the most
> >> scenic day of riding in my entire life, encompassing ridge tops,
> mountains,
> >> and the utterly spectacular Capitol Reef area. All on a fixed gear!
> >>
> >> Photos and a brief blog post here:
> >>
> >> http://bigfix2006.blogspot.com/2006/06/day-seven-recap.html
> >>
> >> --Eric Norris
> >> campyonly...@me.com
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Re: [RBW] The test ride of my newly built almost finished A. Homer Hilsen.

[Iron Rider]

Thanks JimD


On Sunday, January 20, 2013 12:39:17 PM UTC-5, JimD wrote:
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> Nicely written!
> Thanks,
> JimD
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Iron Rider <1000...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> For those who may be interested here's a link to a blogpost about by test 
> ride of my A.H.H. 
>  
> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2013/01/test-ride.html
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo vs. Hilsen performance differences?

[ted]

Michael,

As I think others have pointed out, there is a link to a geometry
chart for Riv's models at the bottom of the "frames" page.
If you compare the numbers for same sizes I think the rodeo has less
bb drop (i.e. higher bb), shorter chainstays, steeper seat tubes, and
less fork rake. The rodeo is designed for more moderate sized tires,
and you have the option of a theadless headset (much more common these
days). Although I have not ridden a rodeo I expect the ride and
handling are more responsive / quicker than my AHH. I doubt that a
rodeo is faster in terms of average speed or time trialling up a long
climb. At least not enough faster to notice without careful
comparison. However fast group rides with a race oriented club often
involve a very dynamic close quarters style of riding. For that kind
of riding a quicker handling bike can be a better fit. Also if you are
barely hanging onto a wheel for dear life ( or worse not quite
managing to) its easy for thoughts about a few grams or watts to prey
on your mind (even if they probably wouldn't really matter).

So my take is that the Rodeo is not so much a faster bike, as it is a
bike better suited to the style of riding that pervades race club fast
group rides.


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> > I am not ready to buy yet, so I don't want to waste their time on the
> > phone at this point.
> > At this point I am still going with the Hilsen when I get to buy for all
> > its eylet/braze on options, even though I am a saddle bag kinda guy and
> > don't need racks for the riding I do.
> > The Hilsen sems like the more reasonable frame for me. Plus I think it
> > looks better ;)

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