Re: [RBW] That naming thing with production Rivendells

[Bruce Herbitter]

With the lugged steel construction, Walnut Creek geometry and fatter tires
room, they sort of do say "Rivendell." Some models (like the Rambouillet)
also say "by Rivendell" in small letters under the model name, or (like
Saluki) on the head badge and/or seat tube decal.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> A while back we had a chat about how Riv's production bikes don't stand out
> as Rivendells, and I professed that I wished they did. Then Grant said that
> it was never his intention to have them all be Rivendell-plus-model-name;
> that he wanted an Atlantis to be an Atlantis, etc.
>
> Now that I have my A. Homer Hilsen built up (pics soon!), I see the wisdom
> in it. I mean, it's says A. HOMER HILSEN in big letters on the downtube; a
> big ole AHH on the seattube; and a dedicated Hilsen badge on the headtube.
> It's gonna take me all day to explain *that *name..can you imagine what
> happens if I try to explain "it's actually a Rivendell"?
>
> So yeah, between you and me and the lamppost it's a Rivendell, but for the
> rest of the universe..it's a Hilsen.
>
> Joe "and that light green is *gorgeous*" Bernard
> Fairfield, CA.
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Re: [RBW] FS: Phil,Baggins,Schwalbe,TA crank

[jimmy johnsen]

Ken. The Avocet is available. You can Paypal me: moho1...@yahoo.com  Thanks Ken 
Hobie




From: Ken Freeman 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Phil,Baggins,Schwalbe,TA crank


Hobie, I'd like the Avocet crankset, if available.

On Tuesday, October 11, 2011, hobie  wrote:
> Hi all. Another big spring cleaning sale in the fall. The following items all 
> include domestic shipping.
>  
> Phil Wood 113mm bottom bracket used $70.00
>  
> 5-King stainless steel water bottle cages used $60.00
>  
> Avocet triple touring crank 170mm 50/41/30  pretty crank! $100.00
>  
> 3- Shimano Deore LX mega 9 rapid rise rear derailers used good condition 
> $30.00 each
>  
> Rivendell Wooly Warm arm warmers small size like new green color  $30.00
>  
> Rivendell Baggins Bag Bannana bag for rear. No patch saying it was made by 
> Duluth pack. I believe it was the first run whoever made that one. Used for 
> about a 1/2 dozen rides. Rub mark from leaning against wire brake guard. 
> Overall it is very clean. Tan color $110.00
>  
> Rivendell Baggins Little Joe bag tan color. Plenty used but no holes. Kinda 
> dirty w. rub marks and grease marks. Could use a good cleaning. No straps!! 
> Irish straps would work well with this bag. $55.00
>  
> 2- New Schwalbe 650b Fatty Tires pair $50.00
>  
> Tektro MTB brake levers MT3.0 $15.00
>  
> Shimano Exage Sport rear derailer model RD A450 used good condition $20.00
>  
> Shimano 600 Ultegra Cartridge headset new in box Model HP-6500 Box has some 
> shop wear but it is new. $90.00
>  
> Vintage Shimano 600 front and rear derailers. Front clamp size is 28.6. The 
> rear is alittle scuffed. The letters SH are rubbed or scuffed. This combo 
> performs well together. $50.00
>  
> Zefal HPX3 black frame pump measures 21" overall . Very good condition with 
> some scratches. $25.00
>  
> TA Specialites crankset triple. Don't know the model? Looks to be from the 
> 90's. 170mm 53/39 rings. Set up as a double but is drilled for a third ring. 
> Many scuffs and scraps and needs a new set of chainring bolts. Cosmetic 
> condition is fair not pretty but still a well made French crankset.$90.00
>  
> Cane Creek SCR-5 brake levers new in box black hoods $25.00
>  
> Dia Compe centerpull brakes model 750 Brand new in bag pair $45.00
>  
> Shimano Deore Hubset brand new no skewers 135mm rear, pair front and rear 
> $50.00 Great deal!!
>  
> Dia Compe Royal Compe II Short reach Caliper brakeset used good condition. 
> $40.00
>  
> 3-pairs of plastic toe clips 2 are new in bag w. straps 3rd no straps. $18.00
>  
> Cinelli Stem 1" 9cm short quill $20.00
>  
> Bicycle lights. Basta 8201 generator new in pkg. and Lightspin generator 
> light almost new. Don't know much about them. Both for $35.00
>  
> MKS GR-9 platform pedals w. plastic toe clips and straps. $20.00
>  
> Thanks for looking.  
>  
>  
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Re: [RBW] Seagull century, Salisbury, MD

[Steve Palincsar]

I'm afraid your methodology is in error.  There will be upwards of 6,000
people at the Seagull, and all but a few hundred at most will be on
carbon fiber racing bikes.  Even when it rains (which in my experience
is something like 80-90% of the time) only a few dozen at most will have
fenders.  

On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 21:01 -0700, cyclotourist wrote:
> Perhaps even a majority if I'm counting correctly!
> 
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:03 PM, James Warren
>  wrote:
> 
> Cool, and in California on the same day, we'll be doing a ride
> in San Clemente that will probably have a few Rivendells.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Steve Palincsar 
> >Sent: Oct 12, 2011 1:54 PM
> >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [RBW] Seagull century, Salisbury, MD
> >
> >On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 13:44 -0700, KenP wrote:
> >> It's Saturday.  Usually see some Rivendells.
> >
> >And you'll see me, on a black Randonneuse, either the Velo
> Orange or the
> >MAP, haven't decided which yet.  I'll be on the new route.
> >
> >
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Re: [RBW] Raleigh Superbe Update

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 17:15 -0700, Eric Norris wrote:
> Took a couple of new photos of my Raleigh Superbe. It's been upgraded
> since I first sent out photos with a Brooks B67 (like the original
> saddle), a brass bell from the parts bin, and a Carradice bag that was
> sitting in the closet.  It's looking pretty nice, and the ride is
> fantastic.  With the addition of a couple of small parts, the 3-speed
> hub works perfectly.
> 
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/6239314372/in/set-72157627800936626/
> 
> 
> http://www.flickr..com/photos/35176895@N03/6238794401/in/set-72157627800936626/
> 
> 
> Next up, if I can find one cheap enough, is a Sturmey Archer dynohub
> to replace the one that came with the bike but is no longer there. 

It looks marvelous - just like they did when they were brand new.  For
what they were, these were terrific bikes, and in their niche they are
hard to equal, never mind surpass.

Next up for you: the Lake Pepin Three Speed Tour...




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Re: [RBW] FS: Phil,Baggins,Schwalbe,TA c

[jimmy johnsen]

Hey Ken.
 
 I'll be going to the PO today with 6 sales from the Riv owners site, I can 
also get yours out today. No rush, thought I could save some time by getting 
them all out today instead of a seperate trip.
 
 Thanks Hobie



From: Ken Freeman 
To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Phil,Baggins,Schwalbe,TA crank


Hobie, I'd like the Avocet crankset, if available.

On Tuesday, October 11, 2011, hobie  wrote:
> Hi all. Another big spring cleaning sale in the fall. The following items all 
> include domestic shipping.
>  
> Phil Wood 113mm bottom bracket used $70.00
>  
> 5-King stainless steel water bottle cages used $60.00
>  
> Avocet triple touring crank 170mm 50/41/30  pretty crank! $100.00
>  
> 3- Shimano Deore LX mega 9 rapid rise rear derailers used good condition 
> $30.00 each
>  
> Rivendell Wooly Warm arm warmers small size like new green color  $30.00
>  
> Rivendell Baggins Bag Bannana bag for rear. No patch saying it was made by 
> Duluth pack. I believe it was the first run whoever made that one. Used for 
> about a 1/2 dozen rides. Rub mark from leaning against wire brake guard. 
> Overall it is very clean. Tan color $110.00
>  
> Rivendell Baggins Little Joe bag tan color. Plenty used but no holes. Kinda 
> dirty w. rub marks and grease marks. Could use a good cleaning. No straps!! 
> Irish straps would work well with this bag. $55.00
>  
> 2- New Schwalbe 650b Fatty Tires pair $50.00
>  
> Tektro MTB brake levers MT3.0 $15.00
>  
> Shimano Exage Sport rear derailer model RD A450 used good condition $20.00
>  
> Shimano 600 Ultegra Cartridge headset new in box Model HP-6500 Box has some 
> shop wear but it is new. $90.00
>  
> Vintage Shimano 600 front and rear derailers. Front clamp size is 28.6. The 
> rear is alittle scuffed. The letters SH are rubbed or scuffed. This combo 
> performs well together. $50.00
>  
> Zefal HPX3 black frame pump measures 21" overall . Very good condition with 
> some scratches. $25.00
>  
> TA Specialites crankset triple. Don't know the model? Looks to be from the 
> 90's. 170mm 53/39 rings. Set up as a double but is drilled for a third ring. 
> Many scuffs and scraps and needs a new set of chainring bolts. Cosmetic 
> condition is fair not pretty but still a well made French crankset.$90.00
>  
> Cane Creek SCR-5 brake levers new in box black hoods $25.00
>  
> Dia Compe centerpull brakes model 750 Brand new in bag pair $45.00
>  
> Shimano Deore Hubset brand new no skewers 135mm rear, pair front and rear 
> $50.00 Great deal!!
>  
> Dia Compe Royal Compe II Short reach Caliper brakeset used good condition. 
> $40.00
>  
> 3-pairs of plastic toe clips 2 are new in bag w. straps 3rd no straps. $18.00
>  
> Cinelli Stem 1" 9cm short quill $20.00
>  
> Bicycle lights. Basta 8201 generator new in pkg. and Lightspin generator 
> light almost new. Don't know much about them. Both for $35.00
>  
> MKS GR-9 platform pedals w. plastic toe clips and straps. $20.00
>  
> Thanks for looking.  
>  
>  
>
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Re: [RBW] Raleigh Superbe Update

[Eric Norris]

According to Sheldon Brown, English riders in the day commonly used Raleigh 
3-speeds for extended touring. Sign me up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP1KxPjh4RM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

--Eric N
Sent from my iPad2

On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:51 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 17:15 -0700, Eric Norris wrote:
>> Took a couple of new photos of my Raleigh Superbe. It's been upgraded
>> since I first sent out photos with a Brooks B67 (like the original
>> saddle), a brass bell from the parts bin, and a Carradice bag that was
>> sitting in the closet.  It's looking pretty nice, and the ride is
>> fantastic.  With the addition of a couple of small parts, the 3-speed
>> hub works perfectly.
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/6239314372/in/set-72157627800936626/
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.flickr..com/photos/35176895@N03/6238794401/in/set-72157627800936626/
>> 
>> 
>> Next up, if I can find one cheap enough, is a Sturmey Archer dynohub
>> to replace the one that came with the bike but is no longer there. 
> 
> It looks marvelous - just like they did when they were brand new.  For
> what they were, these were terrific bikes, and in their niche they are
> hard to equal, never mind surpass.
> 
> Next up for you: the Lake Pepin Three Speed Tour...
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Hilly Hundred

[Shawn]

I will be there on my Atlantis.

On Oct 12, 8:30 pm, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> Anyone going this weekend?
>
> Kelly

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[RBW] Re: That naming thing with production Rivendells

[tdusky]

I have a Rivendell custom, I often ride with a friend who has a A.
Homer Hilsen and often people come up to admiring our bikes and always
ask me what model my Rivendell is when I say a custom they ask which
model? Many people don't even know what means. I have had it for 10
years when the only production frame they sold was the Atlantis $950
back then.

On Oct 13, 5:54 am, Bruce Herbitter  wrote:
> With the lugged steel construction, Walnut Creek geometry and fatter tires
> room, they sort of do say "Rivendell." Some models (like the Rambouillet)
> also say "by Rivendell" in small letters under the model name, or (like
> Saluki) on the head badge and/or seat tube decal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> > A while back we had a chat about how Riv's production bikes don't stand out
> > as Rivendells, and I professed that I wished they did. Then Grant said that
> > it was never his intention to have them all be Rivendell-plus-model-name;
> > that he wanted an Atlantis to be an Atlantis, etc.
>
> > Now that I have my A. Homer Hilsen built up (pics soon!), I see the wisdom
> > in it. I mean, it's says A. HOMER HILSEN in big letters on the downtube; a
> > big ole AHH on the seattube; and a dedicated Hilsen badge on the headtube.
> > It's gonna take me all day to explain *that *name..can you imagine what
> > happens if I try to explain "it's actually a Rivendell"?
>
> > So yeah, between you and me and the lamppost it's a Rivendell, but for the
> > rest of the universe..it's a Hilsen.
>
> > Joe "and that light green is *gorgeous*" Bernard
> > Fairfield, CA.
>
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[RBW] Silver thumbshifters

[Joe Bernard]

Seemingly without notice, these appeared on Rivbike. 
 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh5.htm
 
Joe Bernard
Fairfield, CA.

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[RBW] Re: That naming thing with production Rivendells

[Roger]

I think in the '90s and early '00s, whether Waterford, Joe, Match, or
Curt built a bike it would be called a Rivendell Road Standard,
Rivendell LongLow, or Rivendell All Rounder, even though there were no
decals to differentiate them. I think I remember seeing a build sheet
in that era where Grant would circle Road Standard, LongLow or All
Rounder. Also, the Riv catalogs in that era still talked about the
three models while introducing that Joe and Match would be the
builders.

My guess is your custom is a Rivendell Road Standard.

I thought of this because when I saw Andrew's Joe-built LongLow from
1999 my first thought was that the head tube lugs looked like All
Rounder lugs not Road Standards. I believe Grant selected All Rounder
lugs on some large Road Standard and LongLow frames.

On Oct 13, 6:59 am, tdusky  wrote:
> I have a Rivendell custom, I often ride with a friend who has a A.
> Homer Hilsen and often people come up to admiring our bikes and always
> ask me what model my Rivendell is when I say a custom they ask which
> model? Many people don't even know what means. I have had it for 10
> years when the only production frame they sold was the Atlantis $950
> back then.
>
> On Oct 13, 5:54 am, Bruce Herbitter  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > With the lugged steel construction, Walnut Creek geometry and fatter tires
> > room, they sort of do say "Rivendell." Some models (like the Rambouillet)
> > also say "by Rivendell" in small letters under the model name, or (like
> > Saluki) on the head badge and/or seat tube decal.
>
> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> > > A while back we had a chat about how Riv's production bikes don't stand 
> > > out
> > > as Rivendells, and I professed that I wished they did. Then Grant said 
> > > that
> > > it was never his intention to have them all be Rivendell-plus-model-name;
> > > that he wanted an Atlantis to be an Atlantis, etc.
>
> > > Now that I have my A. Homer Hilsen built up (pics soon!), I see the wisdom
> > > in it. I mean, it's says A. HOMER HILSEN in big letters on the downtube; a
> > > big ole AHH on the seattube; and a dedicated Hilsen badge on the headtube.
> > > It's gonna take me all day to explain *that *name..can you imagine what
> > > happens if I try to explain "it's actually a Rivendell"?
>
> > > So yeah, between you and me and the lamppost it's a Rivendell, but for the
> > > rest of the universe..it's a Hilsen.
>
> > > Joe "and that light green is *gorgeous*" Bernard
> > > Fairfield, CA.
>
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[RBW] Re: SoCal October Ride - San Clemente 10/15/11

[dougP]

Metrolink update:  as of Monday 10/10 the Orange County / Inland
Empire Metrolink schedule changed and the first train does not arrive
at San Clemente until nearly 11AM!  That punts me into the driving
mode (ugh!).

dougP

On Oct 10, 11:03 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> Here's an updated map, showing the planned route from Metrolink
> station:  http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/San-Clemente-mixed-surface
>
> Whole lotta' climbing, but it won't be hot, and we're never more than
> 1/4 mile from any sort of a bail-out option.  The beauty of this ride
> being based in crazy-busy Orange County.  It's a jewel of a route most
> people don't know about!
>
> I haven't fully convinced myself to bring knobbied, but am definitely
> thinking about it.   There's a lot of riding through town that knobs
> wouldn't be too fun with, but then the entire other half (55% to be
> precise is on dirt).   Decisions, decisions...
>
> On Oct 6, 11:55 am, Joe Bartoe  wrote:
>
>
>
> > If you are coming to the ride and driving, we can meet at my home: 34662 
> > Calle Rosita, Capistrano Beach, CA 92624
>
> > After getting ready, we'll head down to the coffee place near the train 
> > station to meet those coming in from that direction. If people would like, 
> > we can roll down a bit early to get some coffee and pastries prior to the 
> > ride.
>
> > Joe
>
> > Joe Bartoe
>
> > Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
> > email: j...@synapticcycles.com
> > website:www.synapticcycles.com
> > Twitter: @synapticcycles
>
> > phone: 949-374-6079
>
> > > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:57:25 -0700
> > > Subject: [RBW] Re: SoCal October Ride - San Clemente 10/15/11
> > > From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > And it looks like http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/
> > > socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/discuss/
> > > 72157627749072438/">Joe is volunteering to do just that!  So who
> > > is planning on going?  No limit on numbers of course, but you'll need
> > > to get in contact w/ Joe for directions.
>
> > > Again, this isn't crazy epic, but a ride along Pacific Ocean, then
> > > doing some climbing up into the coastal foothills.  Probably 1/2 dirt,
> > > but on hard-pack trails.  Marathons would be the perfect all around
> > > tire for it.  If there's consensus, we can ride some singletrack back
> > > down at the end.
>
> > > On Sep 25, 11:35 am, dougP  wrote:
> > > > Joe:
>
> > > > We could change the route to swing by your house.  :-)
>
> > > > dougP
>
> > > > On Sep 25, 10:33 am, Joe Bartoe  wrote:
>
> > > > > I wish this was closer to me so I could make it.
>
> > > > > Joe
>
> > > > > Joe Bartoe
>
> > > > > Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
> > > > > email: j...@synapticcycles.com
> > > > > website:www.synapticcycles.com
> > > > > Twitter: @synapticcycles
>
> > > > > phone: 949-374-6079
>
> > > > > Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:33:56 -0700
> > > > > Subject: [RBW] SoCal October Ride -SanClemente10/15/11
> > > > > From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> > > > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > > > If you're in the neighborhood, a ride inSanClementeis taking shape.  
> > > > > Planning for the 15th, with the 22nd as a possibility if enough 
> > > > > schedules need it.  Discussion on flickr (we really should start a 
> > > > > google group...) here:  
> > > > > http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc...
>
> > > > > Great route that can add in some premier singletrack if requested.  
> > > > > Lots of food options in town, which is really what these rides are 
> > > > > all about.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > David
> > > > > Redlands, CA
>
> > > > > ...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > > > > probably benefit more from
> > > > > improving their taste than from improving
> > > > > their performance. - RTMS
>
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[RBW] Re: SoCal October Ride - San Clemente 10/15/11

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Thanks for the update, Doug.  Guess we should have had this grand
adventure one week earlier... :-(  Guess Joe's driveway is going to be
pretty full!

BTW, knobbies are over-rated for this ride.  Don't need 'em unless you
really like riding on them.  I mean really, it's a typical SoCal Riv
ride!!!


On Oct 13, 9:55 am, dougP  wrote:
> Metrolink update:  as of Monday 10/10 the Orange County / Inland
> Empire Metrolink schedule changed and the first train does not arrive
> at San Clemente until nearly 11AM!  That punts me into the driving
> mode (ugh!).
>
> dougP
>
> On Oct 10, 11:03 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Here's an updated map, showing the planned route from Metrolink
> > station:  http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/San-Clemente-mixed-surface
>
> > Whole lotta' climbing, but it won't be hot, and we're never more than
> > 1/4 mile from any sort of a bail-out option.  The beauty of this ride
> > being based in crazy-busy Orange County.  It's a jewel of a route most
> > people don't know about!
>
> > I haven't fully convinced myself to bring knobbied, but am definitely
> > thinking about it.   There's a lot of riding through town that knobs
> > wouldn't be too fun with, but then the entire other half (55% to be
> > precise is on dirt).   Decisions, decisions...
>
> > On Oct 6, 11:55 am, Joe Bartoe  wrote:
>
> > > If you are coming to the ride and driving, we can meet at my home: 34662 
> > > Calle Rosita, Capistrano Beach, CA 92624
>
> > > After getting ready, we'll head down to the coffee place near the train 
> > > station to meet those coming in from that direction. If people would 
> > > like, we can roll down a bit early to get some coffee and pastries prior 
> > > to the ride.
>
> > > Joe
>
> > > Joe Bartoe
>
> > > Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
> > > email: j...@synapticcycles.com
> > > website:www.synapticcycles.com
> > > Twitter: @synapticcycles
>
> > > phone: 949-374-6079
>
> > > > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:57:25 -0700
> > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: SoCal October Ride - San Clemente 10/15/11
> > > > From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> > > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > > And it looks like http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/
> > > > socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/discuss/
> > > > 72157627749072438/">Joe is volunteering to do just that!  So who
> > > > is planning on going?  No limit on numbers of course, but you'll need
> > > > to get in contact w/ Joe for directions.
>
> > > > Again, this isn't crazy epic, but a ride along Pacific Ocean, then
> > > > doing some climbing up into the coastal foothills.  Probably 1/2 dirt,
> > > > but on hard-pack trails.  Marathons would be the perfect all around
> > > > tire for it.  If there's consensus, we can ride some singletrack back
> > > > down at the end.
>
> > > > On Sep 25, 11:35 am, dougP  wrote:
> > > > > Joe:
>
> > > > > We could change the route to swing by your house.  :-)
>
> > > > > dougP
>
> > > > > On Sep 25, 10:33 am, Joe Bartoe  wrote:
>
> > > > > > I wish this was closer to me so I could make it.
>
> > > > > > Joe
>
> > > > > > Joe Bartoe
>
> > > > > > Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
> > > > > > email: j...@synapticcycles.com
> > > > > > website:www.synapticcycles.com
> > > > > > Twitter: @synapticcycles
>
> > > > > > phone: 949-374-6079
>
> > > > > > Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:33:56 -0700
> > > > > > Subject: [RBW] SoCal October Ride -SanClemente10/15/11
> > > > > > From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> > > > > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > > > > If you're in the neighborhood, a ride inSanClementeis taking shape. 
> > > > > >  Planning for the 15th, with the 22nd as a possibility if enough 
> > > > > > schedules need it.  Discussion on flickr (we really should start a 
> > > > > > google group...) here:  
> > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc...
>
> > > > > > Great route that can add in some premier singletrack if requested.  
> > > > > > Lots of food options in town, which is really what these rides are 
> > > > > > all about.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > David
> > > > > > Redlands, CA
>
> > > > > > ...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > > > > > probably benefit more from
> > > > > > improving their taste than from improving
> > > > > > their performance. - RTMS
>
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[RBW] Carradice Super C Saddlebag for Sale

[Marc Schwartz]

Carradice Super C saddlebag. Similar capacity (23 l) to Camper (24 l). Black 
canvas with nylon straps, fastex buckles, 2 side pockets. Bag-match for Super C 
panniers. It has a "John's Irish Strap" in lieu of the white leather strap 
attaching to the seat post, and is missing the plastic clasp provided for the 
drawstring closure. Otherwise in original good used condition. $65 shipping 
free to US mainland.

See one on Peter White's website here;  
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/carradice.asp

Photos individually emailed on request. Sold to first confirmed "I'll buy it". 
Paypal please. Please reply to mschw...@nmsu.edu.

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Quest...

[BSWP]

Well, I found a NOS Orange Quickbeam (64cm), and am now setting out to
build it up. Anyone have a favorite low Q-factor single chain ring
crankset? I tend to eschew pant protectors and rings that don't drive
chains...

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Oct 11, 3:17 pm, BSWP  wrote:
> As noted in earlier message, I'm looking for a "fewer" speed setup for
> my new commute. The largest SimpleOne, at 62cm, is too small for me.
> If anyone has a lead to a 64cm or 66cm Quickbeam in good shape, I
> would be glad to follow up. Either a frame+fork, or a complete bike.
> I'm open to long-distance shipping.
>
> A few stats: I'm 215 pounds, 6'6" tall, have a 94cm PBH, and long-ish
> arms. I ride a 65cm LongLow w m-bars, which might not be the best
> comparison, as the bottom bracket on a QuickBeam is a tad higher than
> the LongLow, from what I remember.
>
> I did try to reach Patrick in Omaha, but no response - so I guess he's
> sold his 66cm Quickbeam.
>
> Thanks for any leads.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: This front rack is pretty cute

[Daniel]

If anyone's interested, I have actually have a couple of these NOS in
packaging. How's $40 shipped?
I wound up using the Nitto M-12 instead.
Daniel

On Oct 12, 5:53 pm, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> Ha! That's hilarious. Hmm..my recent XO-3 acquisition already has a
> scratched up fork crown..

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[RBW] A tent for bike-camping???

[Ryan J]

I am in starting the "looking" phase of purchasing a tent for bike camping 
and was wondering if any of the group had any recommendations.  I need the 
tent to fit two people at most (I may go with the wife sometimes) but 
usually it will just be me.  I guess top priorities would be weight, I would 
like it to be free standing if possible, I have often camped in areas where 
staking would not work, and rain proof, I just hate getting wet at night. 
 Any thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: Exciting. The new Rene Herse reissue crankset from Compass is approaching availability

[Ryan J]

I think if I was going to get a Roadeo I would try this crankset out, I like 
the way it looks and like how it only has one BCD.  Maybe something for the 
future.

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[RBW] Re: Exciting. The new Rene Herse reissue crankset from Compass is approaching availability

[dpco]

I am "in" when they have a 175 set. I am not knocking it. I will buy one in 
a "New York Minute" in 175.

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[RBW] Carradice Super C Saddlebag

[Marc Schwartz]

The Barley and Baggins Bar Tube are sold. The Carradice Super C Saddlebag 
stands alone @ $65.00 PP 

Marc

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[RBW] RE: Still More Bags'n Sacks for Sale!

[Marc Schwartz]

Correction on Super C saddlebag; It has a "John's Irish Strap" in lieu of the 
white leather strap attaching to the seat post, and is missing the plastic 
clasp provided for the drawstring closure. Otherwise in original good used 
condition. $65

Thanks,
Marc

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on 
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Still More Bags'n Sacks for Sale!

Howdy, Elves of Rivendell,

I am posting up three more bike bags, all asking prices include shipping to 
CONUS.

Carradice Barley in fine, lightly used condition, with a little road dirt. 
Tan/khaki canvas & leather. New version with metal tag. Great looking smallish 
seat bag, can also be rigged as handlebar bag. $75

Baggins tube sack handlebar bag. Tan canvas & leather with round leather 
Baggins medallion, single zipper compartment, leather straps, d-rings. $60

Carradice Super C saddlebag. Similar capacity to Nelson. Black canvas with 
nylon straps, fastex buckles, 2 side pockets. Bag-match for Super C panniers. 
$80

Photos individually emailed on request. Sold to first confirmed "I'll buy it". 
Paypal please. Please reply to mschw...@nmsu.edu.

Thanks,
Marc

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[RBW] Re: Good deals on wool jerseys?

[Tracy]

Ibex is having a great deal on their long sleeve wool crews right now
for $50. I just bought a couple for my husband and I. I'm quite happy
with the quality of their products, and if you sign up for their email
they often have good deals (recently got a few short-sleeve wool
tshirts for $35).  Their regular priced options are pretty spendy
though, so it's best to buy from them when they've got a special offer
or sale items.  http://shop.ibex.com/M-Limited-Edition-LS-Crew

-Tracy



On Oct 12, 8:28 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> An acquaintance  asked me if I knew where to find good deals on wool
> jerseys. I lucked out last year with a number bought used for good
> prices so I have been out of the market recently. Anyone?
>
> He is interested in used, too -- he asked to buy some of mine, but I
> hesitate -- and if anyone has good ones, ls or short, size American
> Large or equivalent, lmk and I can help broker a sale.
>
> FWIW, said acquaintance is a bike shop owner so I presume he will be
> eligible for any related discounts.
>
> And further, in his favor: ABQ's hugest collection of used bikes
> including the weird (home made tandems, motorized trike), the modern
> (well, modern-ish: very nice 10 year old Colnago or somesuch), the old
> (he is refurbishing the Herse), the small (folders, childrens'), the
> odd-wheeled (I bought my Worksman there).
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> For professional resumes, contact
> Patrick Moore, ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html

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Re: [RBW] A tent for bike-camping???

[Lyle Bogart]

Well Ryan, this isn't the cheapest tent on the market, but I highly
recommend it.

http://www.backcountrygear.com/black-diamond-mega-light-blue-grey.html?gclid=CPrYrYec5qsCFcjc4AodMjaGIw

When I was an Outward Bound instructor and worked as a climbing guide for
other folks, I lived in one of these tents most of the year, year after
year. They are very light, very roomy--I've camped with two people and our
bikes and gear inside the tent and still had space to cook--hold up well to
all but the worst winds and weather, and are very versatile. Generally they
work best by staking out the anchor points, but tying off to rocks, roots,
and the like, works very nicely.

Hope this helps!

lyle

On 12 October 2011 22:34, Ryan J  wrote:

> I am in starting the "looking" phase of purchasing a tent for bike camping
> and was wondering if any of the group had any recommendations.  I need the
> tent to fit two people at most (I may go with the wife sometimes) but
> usually it will just be me.  I guess top priorities would be weight, I would
> like it to be free standing if possible, I have often camped in areas where
> staking would not work, and rain proof, I just hate getting wet at night.
>  Any thoughts?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Good deals on wool jerseys?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Many thanks, Tracy; have passed this information on to Steve.

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Tracy  wrote:
> Ibex is having a great deal on their long sleeve wool crews right now
> for $50. I just bought a couple for my husband and I. I'm quite happy
> with the quality of their products, and if you sign up for their email
> they often have good deals (recently got a few short-sleeve wool
> tshirts for $35).  Their regular priced options are pretty spendy
> though, so it's best to buy from them when they've got a special offer
> or sale items.  http://shop.ibex.com/M-Limited-Edition-LS-Crew
>
> -Tracy
>
>
>
> On Oct 12, 8:28 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> An acquaintance  asked me if I knew where to find good deals on wool
>> jerseys. I lucked out last year with a number bought used for good
>> prices so I have been out of the market recently. Anyone?
>>
>> He is interested in used, too -- he asked to buy some of mine, but I
>> hesitate -- and if anyone has good ones, ls or short, size American
>> Large or equivalent, lmk and I can help broker a sale.
>>
>> FWIW, said acquaintance is a bike shop owner so I presume he will be
>> eligible for any related discounts.
>>
>> And further, in his favor: ABQ's hugest collection of used bikes
>> including the weird (home made tandems, motorized trike), the modern
>> (well, modern-ish: very nice 10 year old Colnago or somesuch), the old
>> (he is refurbishing the Herse), the small (folders, childrens'), the
>> odd-wheeled (I bought my Worksman there).
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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[RBW] Re: A tent for bike-camping???

[William]

I bought a Northface Tadpole 23 about 19 years ago, and still use it.  I've 
been happy with it.  I was down at the Northface Outlet, and saw a brand new 
one on the cheap, and they had the footprint onhand, so I bought another.  
It's a good tent, and you can get it for under $200.  That's my S24O tent.  
It was cozy when it was me and BOTH my kids inside.  When my wife and both 
kids came along on an S24O I slept outside in a bivy sac and let the three 
of them snuggle in the tent.  It's roomy for two adults.  

http://www.campmor.com/north-face-tadpole-23-tent.shtml?source=CI&ci_sku=28574GRE&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword}

All that said, I'm really tempted by the incredible light weight offerings 
from Big Agnes.  Whenever I get a 20% off coupon from REI I think about 
pulling the trigger on a solo tent that weighs under two pounds.  

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[RBW] Re: Hilly Hundred

[Scott G.]

I'll be there on a yellow Ebisu All Purpose, my friend Ron on a green 
QuickBeam*

*just kidding, orange Ram

Note on the Hilly higher ups indicated the roads were in "rough" shape,
compared to the rather lumpy Indiana roads we were riding at the time.
May be a good ride to try out your new Jack Browns. ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Hilly Hundred

[Shawn]

I am riding on Mr. Brown. I live in Indiana and IMO the roads are
pretty rough.

On Oct 13, 2:45 pm, "Scott G."  wrote:
> I'll be there on a yellow Ebisu All Purpose, my friend Ron on a green
> QuickBeam*
>
> *just kidding, orange Ram
>
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> compared to the rather lumpy Indiana roads we were riding at the time.
> May be a good ride to try out your new Jack Browns. ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: A tent for bike-camping???

[Stuart Fletcher]

I have (and love) a Tarptent (http://tarptent.com/).  Mine is a
Contrail which sleeps one, and is not free standing, but they have
several 2 person offerings.  The Double Rainbow is 2 person and says
"free-standing (with trekking poles)"
(http://tarptent.com/double-rainbow.html#overview).

The Contrail & Double Rainbow are both single wall -- some people
don't like (or don't trust) single wall tents but I've never had a
problem with condensation or rain getting in.  Mine is under 2lbs and
packs reasonably small.  I got it specifically for s24o-ing and it's
been great for that.  I've been super impressed with Tarptent and
would get another (I'm only a satisfied customer, not a shill I
swear!).

I'm intrigued by Lyle's suggestion of the Black Diamond Mega Light --
I'd like to try that type of tent sometime.

I have several friends that use the MSR Hubba tent and seem to like
it.  There's a two person version called the Hubba Hubba
(http://cascadedesigns.com/msr/tents/experience-series/hubba-hubba/product).
 The Hubbas are free standing.

All the suggestions in this thread have been good -- there are lots of
great tents (and tent-like things) to choose from.

Stuart Fletcher
Seattle, WA

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:28, William  wrote:
> I bought a Northface Tadpole 23 about 19 years ago, and still use it.  I've
> been happy with it.  I was down at the Northface Outlet, and saw a brand new
> one on the cheap, and they had the footprint onhand, so I bought another.
> It's a good tent, and you can get it for under $200.  That's my S24O tent.
> It was cozy when it was me and BOTH my kids inside.  When my wife and both
> kids came along on an S24O I slept outside in a bivy sac and let the three
> of them snuggle in the tent.  It's roomy for two adults.
>
> http://www.campmor.com/north-face-tadpole-23-tent.shtml?source=CI&ci_sku=28574GRE&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword}
>
> All that said, I'm really tempted by the incredible light weight offerings
> from Big Agnes.  Whenever I get a 20% off coupon from REI I think about
> pulling the trigger on a solo tent that weighs under two pounds.
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[RBW] Re: Silver thumbshifters

[SamuelJames]

Am I missing something about these?  When you up-shift you push with the 
thumb which is intuitive but how about when you are down shifting?  Do you 
have to take your hand off and twist it?  Thanks

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Re: [RBW] A tent for bike-camping???

[Kevin M]

So what is the deal with tents without a floor? Do you just sleep on the 
ground? what about bugs and dirt and all that?

Kevin 
Chicago, IL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver thumbshifters

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 12:36 -0700, SamuelJames wrote:
> Am I missing something about these?  When you up-shift you push with
> the thumb which is intuitive but how about when you are down shifting?
> Do you have to take your hand off and twist it?  Thanks 

It's funny, I used SunTour friction shifters like that for 10 years on
my commuter from 1985 - 1995, and I absolutely can't remember.  I'm sure
if I rode a bike so equipped I'd instantly use them correctly without
having to think about it, but thinking about it I'm just going blank.
Weird.



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Re: [RBW] A tent for bike-camping???

[Lyle Bogart]

Well, you can just sleep on the ground, and I frequently do. However, you
can use a ground sheet (which you should also do with a floored tent to keep
the bottom of the tent from wearing prematurely) under your bag. One of the
beauties of a floorless tent is that it doesn't really matter if you spill
the soup :)

As far as bugs go, that's a regional and seasonal issue. In flying bug
(blackfly, mosquito, etc) country, I use bug repellant (avon skin-so-soft).
. . in creepy-crawly bug country I usually hope for the best :)

lyle

On 13 October 2011 15:45, Kevin M  wrote:

> So what is the deal with tents without a floor? Do you just sleep on the
> ground? what about bugs and dirt and all that?
>
> Kevin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver thumbshifters

[Joe Bunik]

You just nudge it back with your index finger?

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Re: [RBW] A tent for bike-camping???

[Jim Mather]

I sleep in my bag on a pad on a groundcloth on the ground. Yes, bugs
have easier access to you, as do reptiles, birds, and small mammals.


On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Kevin M  wrote:
> So what is the deal with tents without a floor? Do you just sleep on the
> ground? what about bugs and dirt and all that?
>
> Kevin
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[RBW] Re: Silver thumbshifters

[Minh]

I had to think about it, but you pull it back with your index finger,
or given your thumb strength you can also pull it back with your
thumb.


On Oct 13, 3:36 pm, SamuelJames  wrote:
> Am I missing something about these?  When you up-shift you push with the
> thumb which is intuitive but how about when you are down shifting?  Do you
> have to take your hand off and twist it?  Thanks

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[RBW] Re: A tent for bike-camping???

[Minh]

Having spent a nite out among the bugs one time this summer (i grabbed
my rainfly when i thought i was grabbing my tent), i think it's really
a seasonal/geography thing if you can deal with an open tent.  i
cannot :) i had about 30 bug bites that nite and one of the worst
nites sleep ever.  But maybe you live somewhere that this is not a
problem.

For the tent advice, i have a big agnes one from a few years ago.  If
you peruse the rei-outlet store you can find a few deals every now and
then, mine's a two person and i paid about $120 for it, totally fine
for the once a month that i use it.  one thing i'd point out, a lot of
the superlight tents are free-standing (though not all are), but these
superlights usually require that you stake them out to fit two people,
and in those cases it's still tight.  so if you plan on getting a two
person tent, to be used by two people test it out first.  mines two
person, but its usually just me, and a second person would be cozy for
sure.

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[RBW] Re: A tent for bike-camping???

[Christian]

Lyle

The old Megamids--which were very similar and made by Chouinard, I
think, and awesome--used to come with a pole but I notice they all now
seem to use trekking poles--something I don't normally carry while
biking.  Have you found an alternative or am I wrong?

Thanks

Christian

On Oct 13, 4:29 pm, Lyle Bogart  wrote:
> Well, you can just sleep on the ground, and I frequently do. However, you
> can use a ground sheet (which you should also do with a floored tent to keep
> the bottom of the tent from wearing prematurely) under your bag. One of the
> beauties of a floorless tent is that it doesn't really matter if you spill
> the soup :)
>
> As far as bugs go, that's a regional and seasonal issue. In flying bug
> (blackfly, mosquito, etc) country, I use bug repellant (avon skin-so-soft).
> . . in creepy-crawly bug country I usually hope for the best :)
>
> lyle
>
> On 13 October 2011 15:45, Kevin M  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > So what is the deal with tents without a floor? Do you just sleep on the
> > ground? what about bugs and dirt and all that?
>
> > Kevin
> > Chicago, IL
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RE: [RBW] A tent for bike-camping???

[Larry Powers]

After a tour a couple of years a go I wanted a lighter tent with some additonal 
features.

www.rei.com/product/787394/rei-quarter-dome-t2-plus-tent

I bought the plus tent becuase my wife and I are both tall.  It appears that 
they no longer have the regular and the Plus is currently on clearance.  They 
typically introduce the newer versions in the fall.

I liked the fact that it is lighter then then my older tent.  It is all mesh so 
cooler in the summer (although not as warm in the sprint and fall.  The biggest 
feature was a door on each side to that we could get out of the tent at night 
without crawling over each other.



Larry Powers 

 

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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:34:20 -0700
From: rmerr...@murraystate.edu
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] A tent for bike-camping???

I am in starting the "looking" phase of purchasing a tent for bike camping and 
was wondering if any of the group had any recommendations.  I need the tent to 
fit two people at most (I may go with the wife sometimes) but usually it will 
just be me.  I guess top priorities would be weight, I would like it to be free 
standing if possible, I have often camped in areas where staking would not 
work, and rain proof, I just hate getting wet at night.  Any thoughts?



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[RBW] A tent for bike-camping???

[Kelly Sleeper]

Yeppers the bottomless tent sounds great to me.. NOT... :)  Doesn't make them 
bad just not for me.  Then again my Marmot 3 person that has lasted well, 
withstood 50 mph winds and torrential rains that soaked the ground around and 
under without getting me wet, will not appeal to others.  They will like Eureka 
or Northface or something.  All just as good. 

I guess it comes down to how much room you want inside, how much protection you 
want, and then how easy is it to put up and take down.  Putting up and taking 
down ease is more important to me than weight.  Most name brands will be great 
for what you want.   

I just purchased a larger Northface for my wife and I.  It's 8 pounds or so 
with ground cloth.   Things I liked about it .. 

Larger doors and a bit taller for my bad knee.. easier for me to get out of.  
(not a concern for most) 

Large enough for me at 6'5" and her at 5'11" and our gear to be inside for 
repacks etc.  The Marmot though wonderful and worked well for us together is 
6lbs.  The extra space and ease for 2 lbs was an easy trade off.

Solid waterproof tub.  -- I can't always find the perfect spot for a tent.  
Sometimes water is flowing under the thing.  My down sleeping bag is pretty 
much useless wet so  dry is huge priority for me.  

I'm NOT a minimalist.  For me it's a tent I'm gonna be in 30 to 40 nights per 
year in places where I don't have a car or school to go hide in..  I don't care 
about the weight for the sake of it .. a great tent will weigh what it needs 
to.   I'm much less picky with my car camping tent.   

Many brands and configurations out there that will do a great job.Just like 
the bicycle there are tradeoffs in comfort, and usefulness..   One person 
tunnel tents are great till you actually try to live in it for a couple of days 
of torrential rains and they become rather cramped.  That 4lb weight savings 
doesn't mean much then.

Good luck shopping

Kelly  



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[RBW] Re: Silver thumbshifters

[Joe Bernard]

More accurately, you nudge it back with the side of your index finger, sorta 
backhanded. At least that's how I do it.

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[RBW] Re: Hilly Hundred

[Kelly Sleeper]

Well if anyone would like to ride together let me know.. I can be reached at 
314-799-4743 . 
Camping the the School and heading down Friday afternoon.   Even if we don't 
ride together maybe a dinner in town.  

Later

Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Silver thumbshifters

[William]

Some of us smart-alecks in the late 80's early 90's would run our 
thumbshifters upside down, too.  Push with the thumb under the bar.  Pull 
with the index finger near the tip/first knuckle.  Those cool Suntour 
ratchets thumbshifters even had 3 different rotated positions kind of like 
the holes for the spring tips on your cantilevers.  That would facilitate 
setting them up in different positions.  

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[RBW] tent (the Rambouillet of tents)

[James Warren]

 
About 8 years ago, I got some advice from Grant Petersen on a 1.5 person tent that's nice for bike camping. He recommended the MSR Zoid, calling it "the Rambouillet of tents". 
 
I took the advice, and I really like the tent. Easy to set up, and easy to carry, sometimes just lashed to the back of a saddlebag. Sometimes carried outside of a saddlebag, but fully under the saddlebag's longflap with the longflap holding it securely (if your saddlebag is cool enough to have a longflap). This method of carrying has worked very well both with Nelson Longflap and Baggins Hoss.
 
-Jim "Happy Camper" Warren
 

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After a tour a couple of years a go I wanted a lighter tent with some additonal features.www.rei.com/product/787394/rei-quarter-dome-t2-plus-tentI bought the plus tent becuase my wife and I are both tall.  It appears that they no longer have the regular and the Plus is currently on clearance.  They typically introduce the newer versions in the fall.I liked the fact that it is lighter then then my older tent.  It is all mesh so cooler in the summer (although not as warm in the sprint and fall.  The biggest feature was a door on each side to that we could get out of the tent at night without crawling over each other.Larry Powers  Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain


Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:34:20 -0700From: rmerr...@murraystate.eduTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] A tent for bike-camping???I am in starting the "looking" phase of purchasing a tent for bike camping and was wondering if any of the group had any recommendations.  I need the tent to fit two people at most (I may go with the wife sometimes) but usually it will just be me.  I guess top priorities would be weight, I would like it to be free standing if possible, I have often camped in areas where staking would not work, and rain proof, I just hate getting wet at night.  Any thoughts? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4bWQtRtwDKgJ.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Re: [RBW] Re: A tent for bike-camping???

[Lyle Bogart]

Christian,

Mine was a chouinard 'mid and, yes, it was pretty awesome, even for winter
camping. The spec sheet on the new 'mid (the link I attached in my first
response) lists a single pole as standard and it comes something called a
"pole link" which allows you to use a pair for trekking poles instead. I've
even used downed branches trimmed up a bit for the center pole. Of course,
if you're in the trees, you can do without the center pole entirely by
"hanging" the peak of the 'mid from an overhead branch--now *that's* a
spacious tent!

Cheers'

lyle




On 13 October 2011 16:54, Christian  wrote:

> Lyle
>
> The old Megamids--which were very similar and made by Chouinard, I
> think, and awesome--used to come with a pole but I notice they all now
> seem to use trekking poles--something I don't normally carry while
> biking.  Have you found an alternative or am I wrong?
>
> Thanks
>
> Christian
>
> On Oct 13, 4:29 pm, Lyle Bogart  wrote:
> > Well, you can just sleep on the ground, and I frequently do. However, you
> > can use a ground sheet (which you should also do with a floored tent to
> keep
> > the bottom of the tent from wearing prematurely) under your bag. One of
> the
> > beauties of a floorless tent is that it doesn't really matter if you
> spill
> > the soup :)
> >
> > As far as bugs go, that's a regional and seasonal issue. In flying bug
> > (blackfly, mosquito, etc) country, I use bug repellant (avon
> skin-so-soft).
> > . . in creepy-crawly bug country I usually hope for the best :)
> >
> > lyle
> >
>  > On 13 October 2011 15:45, Kevin M  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > So what is the deal with tents without a floor? Do you just sleep on
> the
> > > ground? what about bugs and dirt and all that?
> >
> > > Kevin
> > > Chicago, IL
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[RBW] Re: Silver thumbshifters

[Garth]

I've used Suntour thumb shifters since 1983 ... I never use just my thumb.. 
lol.  I've always mounted them close to vertical ... it's the most natural 
way to shift. Here's my Bombadil and my Franklin for example :
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/4859711871_96e29bbaea_b.jpg
http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Solg-F5q2tk/Sj0Qo3SQKbI/BMA/KIdVZCRFzmM/s1024/p6200344.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Silver thumbshifters

[Garth]

I've used Suntour thumb shifters since 1983 ... I never use just my thumb.. 
lol.  I've always mounted them close to vertical ... it's the most natural 
way to shift. Here's my Bombadil and my Franklin for example :
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/4859711871_96e29bbaea_b.jpg
http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Solg-F5q2tk/Sj0Qo3SQKbI/BMA/KIdVZCRFzmM/s1024/p6200344.jpg

Just think of them as shifters, not thumb shifters or anything else ... just 
shifters. . .   adjust them to your liking. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver thumbshifters

[Geoff]

I have Shimano bar end shifters with Paul Thumbies mounted on my 
Hunqapillar.  I push 'away' with my thumbs, and 'toward' me with the 'first 
joint' side of my index fingers.  The action would be similar with these 
Silver thumbshifters.  I think I prefer the bend in the levers of the 
Shimano shifters; somehow they *seem* more ergonomic.  In actual usage, 
though, the ergonomics of the Silver shifters might be just as good.

These Silver shifters look nice, and are less expensive than what the 
Shimano shifters and Paul Thumbies cost together($154 for 8 spd).  But I'm 
really happy with the Shimano/Paul setup I've got. 



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[RBW] Re: A tent for bike-camping???

[Michael Hechmer]

I'll second the Tarp Tent.  I have their biggest, which is described as 4 
person, but I would urge you to subtract 1 from any tent mfg. claims.  Mine 
weighs 42 oz and is quite roomy, but packs very small.  Most of my camping 
is with a canoe so I'm not as sensitive to weight as I would be on a bike. 
 I have not had any trouble with the tent with standing heavy rain, but it 
is very important to get the tent pitch right, which basically means taut. 
 Remember that the rain cover will nearly dble a tent's weight, so a single 
wall tent carefully setup can be a big saving.

michael

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[RBW] Re: Silver thumbshifters

[Joe Bernard]

Dang, those Hunqapillars are gorgeous, eh? 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Parting it out

[williwoods]

Here is what is still available and some new prices:

Dura Ace 9sp 7700 Brifters - $135
Dura Ace 9sp 7700 Ft Der Double braze-on with adapter for 34.9 - $25
Dura Ace 9sp 7701 175mm double Crankset 53-39 with Octalink BB - $70
Dura Ace 7700 Brakes front and rear - $70
Chris King 1 1/8" Headset silver - $65
Ultegra 6610 pedals - $20 (not shown)


Get it all for: $300 shipped


here is a link to pics: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/willhrtn/sets/72157627740052883/





On Oct 10, 1:51 pm, williwoods  wrote:
> Hey Guys
>
> I have this bike I am parting out. It has a near complete Dura Ace
> 7700 Group. The parts in very good shape, everything works flawlessly.
> There are very minor surface scuffs from use. Nothing was abused. I am
> only listing the parts. The Frame and fork are also available if you
> like or anything else pictured, just ask. the fork is a carbon
> Reynolds job. All prices are shipped and I take paypal only. Also
> please be aware that I only ship on Mondays or Tuesdays. Therefore it
> may take up to 7 days to ship out your parts.
>
> Here is what I am selling:
>
> Dura Ace 9sp 7700 Brifters - $150
> Dura Ace 9sp 7700 Ft Der Double braze-on with adapter for 34.9 - $30
> Dura Ace 9sp 7701 175mm double Crankset 53-39 with Octalink BB - $85
> Dura Ace 9sp 7700 Cassette 12-25 - $20
> Dura Ace 9sp 7700 Rr Der short cage - $50
> Dura Ace 7700 Brakes front and rear - $80
> Ultegra Velocity Deep V 32 hole wheelset - $140
> Chris King 1 1/8" Headset silver - $70
> Ultegra 6610 pedals - $25 (not shown)
>
> Buy the complete group for $525 shipped!!!
>
> here is a link to 
> pics:http://www.flickr.com/photos/willhrtn/sets/72157627740052883/

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Re: [RBW] A tent for bike-camping???

[Amit Singh]

+ 1 on the Quarter Dome T2 Plus

 http://www.rei.com/product/787394/rei-quarter-dome-t2-plus-tent

I did a ton of research, tried different tents on, and this is such a 
fabulous tent.  Highly recommended.

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[RBW] Re: A tent for bike-camping???

[EricP]

Eureka Spitfire 2.  It's very roomy for one, and can fit two, if need
be.  I like the side doors and the little things - like the extra vent
up top.  Used it in a strong storm this summer and it stayed nice and
dry the whole time.  Downside is it does need to be staked out.

BTW, the tent was recommended by Grant when I was bugging him about
different tents as it seems they have a great selection to use at
RBWHQ at least from the photos.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Oct 13, 5:35 pm, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> I'll second the Tarp Tent.  I have their biggest, which is described as 4
> person, but I would urge you to subtract 1 from any tent mfg. claims.  Mine
> weighs 42 oz and is quite roomy, but packs very small.  Most of my camping
> is with a canoe so I'm not as sensitive to weight as I would be on a bike.
>  I have not had any trouble with the tent with standing heavy rain, but it
> is very important to get the tent pitch right, which basically means taut.
>  Remember that the rain cover will nearly dble a tent's weight, so a single
> wall tent carefully setup can be a big saving.
>
> michael

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[RBW] Re: Silver thumbshifters

[EricP]

Wasn't just the smart ones.  I did that too.  Pretty sure I picked up
the idea from some publication.  The Suntour shifters were best for
it.

These new shifters look nice.  Like the little plastic ends.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Oct 13, 4:14 pm, William  wrote:
> Some of us smart-alecks in the late 80's early 90's would run our
> thumbshifters upside down, too.  Push with the thumb under the bar.  Pull
> with the index finger near the tip/first knuckle.  Those cool Suntour
> ratchets thumbshifters even had 3 different rotated positions kind of like
> the holes for the spring tips on your cantilevers.  That would facilitate
> setting them up in different positions.  

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis-inspired custom touring bike for sale

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I was hoping to sell this bike com

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis-inspired custom touring bike for sale

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I was hoping to sell this bike complete, because I don't need a box of "seed 
parts", but somebody recently asked about the frameset only. I think that would 
be doable. Frame, fork, and matching fenders for $1600 shipped.

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[RBW] FS or FT: Soma Xpress 650B Tires Pair

[colin p. cummings]

These have at most 100 miles on them.  I'd trade for Schwalbe
Marathons.  Otherwise they'll go for $70 shipped for the pair.

Cheers,

Colin Cummings
Amarillo, TX

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[RBW] Re: SoCal October Ride - San Clemente 10/15/11

[Michael_S]

I guess all the planets are in alignment for me. I need to go buy a lottery 
ticket.
 
The new Metrolink schedule puts me in San Clemente at 915am ( was something 
like 730am)!
 
Of course I would need to ride (or drive) the 7 miles to the train station 
in Oceanside as I live at the southern border of Carlsbad. And coming back 
I'd have to wait until 6pm... no way dude!
 
It will be way faster to drive the 30 minutes to San Clemente RT.
 
I'll be on semi-bald JB's... no rock gardens please.
 
~mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal October Ride - San Clemente 10/15/11

[James Warren]

Same tires for me. Are your green Ramming it, Mikey?


On Oct 13, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Michael_S wrote:

> I guess all the planets are in alignment for me. I need to go buy a lottery 
> ticket.
>  
> The new Metrolink schedule puts me in San Clemente at 915am ( was something 
> like 730am)!
>  
> Of course I would need to ride (or drive) the 7 miles to the train station in 
> Oceanside as I live at the southern border of Carlsbad. And coming back I'd 
> have to wait until 6pm... no way dude!
>  
> It will be way faster to drive the 30 minutes to San Clemente RT.
>  
> I'll be on semi-bald JB's... no rock gardens please.
>  
> ~mike
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Re: [RBW] A tent for bike-camping???

[Robert F. Harrison]

I just bought an MSR Hubba Hubba for bike camping. It's not a cheap tent and
you do need to buy the ground sheet separately (should be included IMHO). I
love it here in Hawaii. It's for 2 but is very nice for one large guy.

We have really big centipedes here (think 4-6") so sleeping without a floor
and a good seal is...um...not recommended. In any case I just went camping
with it for the first time a couple of weeks ago and spent a couple of very
comfortable nights. There were passing showers and the fly keep me dry while
the inner portion, mostly mesh, kept me cool.

I really like that it does have two door so you can leave on either side and
because I stake out the fly on both doors I've got plenty of vestibule
space.

It's not incredibly light coming in just over 4 lbs fully packed, but as I'm
a big guy already that's not an issue. I'm just over six feet and I had
plenty of room.

I also use a Hennessy Hammock when appropriate which I'm also very happy
with.

Aloha, Bob


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Ryan J  wrote:

> I am in starting the "looking" phase of purchasing a tent for bike camping
> and was wondering if any of the group had any recommendations.  I need the
> tent to fit two people at most (I may go with the wife sometimes) but
> usually it will just be me.  I guess top priorities would be weight, I would
> like it to be free standing if possible, I have often camped in areas where
> staking would not work, and rain proof, I just hate getting wet at night.
>  Any thoughts?
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Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal October Ride - San Clemente 10/15/11

[Michael_S]

Green Ram for me. 7 speed Suntour XC Pro equipped!   Still stuck in those 
fab '90's.
 
Which one of your awesome repertoire of bikes will you bring Jim?
 
~mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal October Ride - San Clemente 10/15/11

[cyclotourist]

JB's will be fine.  I need to swap out my knobbies, or put the cassette from
that wheelset on my wheelset with the Pasela 35s.  It's complicated being
me...

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Michael_S wrote:

> Green Ram for me. 7 speed Suntour XC Pro equipped!   Still stuck in those
> fab '90's.
>
> Which one of your awesome repertoire of bikes will you bring Jim?
>
> ~mike
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[RBW] From the Sonoma County Museum Exhibit on Bicycles and Bicycle History

[Eric Norris]

Thought the group would enjoy this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/6242381081/in/set-72157627889670488 

More photos here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/sets/72157627889670488/with/6242381081/

Alas, no Rivendells in the exhibit, but plenty of other gorgeous bikes.

The speaker in the photos of Evelyn McDaniel Gibb, author of a "Two Wheels 
North" and (I'm proud to say) a dear friend.

--Eric
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
www.wheelsnorth.org

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[RBW] Re: "Blug" Post from NYC

[Joe Bernard]

Pics up on Blug from Walnut Creek. Yay!

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[RBW] Re: From the Sonoma County Museum Exhibit on Bicycles and Bicycle History

[Joe Bernard]

Very cool. I shall go soon.

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[RBW] Re: A tent for bike-camping???

[Seattle Smitty]

generally speaking... freestanding tents are heavier than tents that need to 
be staked out. Freestanding + lightweight + big enough for 2 is going to 
require a compromise somewhere.

I have and use regularily a Tarptent Double Rainbow, an MSR Hubba Hubba, and 
a Hennessy Hammock. All are great shelters for different situations. 

The Hubba Hubba is the most normal + all purpose but is easily the biggest 
(set-up and packed) and heaviest. I bring it when need to share with buddy, 
when weight doesn't matter, or when weather might cause me to "wait it out" 
in the tent. 

Dbl Rainbow is light, compact, and quick to set up (once you've done it a 
few times). It can be fussy as far as where you pitch it and how you orient 
it, but once you learn how, it works great and you stay dry. I use it mostly 
as a roomy (lots of floor space but not very tall) 1-man tent but it is big 
enough to share with my wife. If I was planning to share with a buddy, I 
would bring the Hubba Hubba.

The hammock has a learning curve. My first night in it was miserable. Now 
that I've been using it for a few years and have figured it out, it's my 
go-to shelter if I know there's going to be adequate trees to hang it from. 
My best nights sleeping while camping have been in the hammock.

If I were to suggest one based on what you wrote, it would be the 
Tarptent...  even though it's not free standing it's light + dry (if you 
pitch it right), and sturdy (I've been out in 2 impressive wind storms 
without collapse). I'd recommend getting the bathtub floor (vs no floor) 
option. 

good luck on the shelter hunt.

Smitty

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[RBW] Re: A tent for bike-camping???

[Ryan J]

Thanks for all the different tent suggestions, keep them coming, I love 
searching for a new tent.  

I used to do a bunch of canoe camping in the boundary waters area but sadly 
my old tent is pretty well destroyed.  8 years ago I got married and since 
then have pretty much car camped and the tents have grown huge so she is 
comfortable, which is fine for that kind of stuff, but have only recently 
really begun bike camping so I am in need of a new lightweightier tent.  My 
last s24o found me sleeping on the ground in my sleeping bag, no big deal 
but I would really rather have some sort of shelter.  Some of those Tarp 
tents look promising but I am still searching.

I wonder, does a manufacturer build a tent that uses the bike as a tent 
support?

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[RBW] New SON 28 dynohub

[Pierre]

So, I was finally converging on reasonable specs for my new winter
front wheel. Then 'das neu SON 28' happened. Back to square one:
SONdelux or SON28neu. AHH will have to wait a little longer for its
new wheel swap.

Dynohub fans, a new version of the all time favorite SON28 was
released. Smaller, lighter, less drag and yet what seems to be same
power output distribution. Still rather pricey though.

Some information on Schmidt's web site (see [1] among others, and for
reference on the SONdelux [2]), Peter White's (see [3]) and Longleaf
bicycles (see [4]). If you can, get yourself a copy of the last BQ for
some interesting insights on this new version.

Now for the question. I live in the mountains so I am always concerned
about proper lighting at relatively low speeds (say 10-15 kph), yet
was still leaning towards the SONdelux based on some reasons that
logic can't explain. I owned the "klassik" so far (on another bike).

Does anybody have first-hand experience on a SONdelux (with front and
taillight, LEDs) setup, at relatively low speeds? You certainly need
less light output, but does it seem enough to you? How's your
taillight?

Regards,

Pierre

[1] http://www.nabendynamo.de/produkte/pdf/Prospekt_SON_28_Firma_2012.pdf
(German)
[2] http://www.nabendynamo.de/produkte/pdf/english/SONdelux_Edelux_e.pdf
[3] http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp
[4] http://www.longleafbicycles.com/

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[RBW] Installed Front Rack... PAIN IN THE REAR!

[Rex Kerr]

So, last time I was at RBW I bought a Mark's rack for my AHH.  After getting
it home I decided that it didn't go well with my VO Constructeur rack on the
rear, and didn't solve my problem with the Al fenders moving from side to
side and rubbing on the tire during climbs, so I ordered a VO Constructeur
front rack and decided to put the Mark's rack on my touring bike.

Tonight I started with the VO rack... what a pain in the rear!  The welded
on tang that connects to the fender daruma didn't allow my sidepull brakes
to open enough to clear the 33.3 JB tires... so I had to refashion it...
bending it (without breaking the weld!) was a slow and painful process... I
finally found a shape that worked, but man, that took longer than I'd
expected to do the whole rack.  Cutting everything and drilling the al
fenders was a bit hairy, as I'm always afraid of misdrilling the fender and
having an unsightly hole!  I managed to drill the hole, but the screw didn't
go all of the way in... I put a washer in between the fender and the rack to
take up the extra space, but it rubbed on the tire...  ugh... dremel out to
grind the screw shorter, and I'm on my way again I FINALLY managed to
get it on!  It looks sharp, and the fender is much more solid now, but what
a PITA!  After that was done I installed my new grid gray mudflaps, and
relocated my light from the mid-fork braze-on to the rack, and it looks
really sharp...  Pictures will follow... probably tomorrow...

As for the Mark's rack... I had it on my Trek 520 in about 5 minutes, no
cutting... and that includes disconnecting and reconnecting some of the
screws for the lowrider rack that was already there...  they're slick racks,
if only I wasn't so vain with the AHH. :-)  Now I need to buy one of those
wald baskets to zip tie to the Mark's rack for throwing jackets and stuff
into this winter!

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