[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

I think I get the gist. With my mountain-y trigger brifters I use a
normal (non-rapid-rise) derailer. And will continue to do so as wear
requires it. Those things really do work well together. And that's by
design; Shimano documents say that trigger shifters and non-rapid-rise
derailers should be used together.

Now, I've never used them but I have always thought that the "dual
control" brifters that Shimano makes (or made at one time, anyway...
LX) looked cool-but-too-finicky. Never tried them. Were those supposed
to work with rapid-rise derailers better than non-rapid-rise
derailers? If not, I do wonder what Shimano was thinking. Maybe they
planned to come out with some newfangled shifters to become the
standard rapid-rise-optimized ones? Maybe those proved difficult to
produce or market?

Otherwise, I really wonder what happened there. Because it's kind of
difficult to believe Shimano produced rapid-rise derailers and
marketed them as hard as they did with the *sure and certain
knowledge* that they would *only* work well with bar-end or "thumb-y"
or downtube shifters. All of those are perceived by "the mainstream"
as either retro or quirky, I think; not Shimano's go-to stuff for new
revenue.

Oh well, I certainly can't complain. I am very happy with my $15-$20
non-rapid-rise derailer on my "low-down dirty" Trek (it acquired "low-
down dirty" status when I got my Hillborne!); and have been for the
past 5000+ miles. And I'm also very happy with my XT rapid-rise
derailer with my Hillborne (all bar-ends or bar-ends-on-thumbies). And
now I've got somewhere between 3 and 30 years of XT or LX rapid-rise
derailers (I'll only learn their MTBF over time). I hope the LX is
basically as functional as the XT. I haven't mounted one of those yet;
I note with happiness that the LX comes with its own barrel adjuster.
Whew! Good thing Shimano didn't heavy up my XT with one of those! ;-)

Well, I'm sad to see it go. It'd've been nice if Shimano had stuck
with rapid-rise long enough for it to trickle into the Alivio/Acera
product range; then stocking up for their alpaca lips would've only
cost $15-$20 apiece!

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Oct 3, 12:22 am, Allan in Portland  wrote:
> On Oct 2, 8:26 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean 
> wrote:
>
> > All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers. Nothing beats
> > 'em with bar-end shifters.
>
> I totally agree, and I think therein lies the problem. They don't work
> right with regular indexed shifters. I road a friends bike with a RR
> derailer and brifters. It was kind of fun cresting a hill and being
> able to down shift 3 cogs at a once, but going up a hill or coming to
> an unexpected stop, it was *really* annoying and painfully slow up
> shifting 1 cog at a click.
>
> Regards,
> -Allan

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Parallel TT lovers unite!

Yeah, I can see a quirky sort of appeal that I'd probably nurse into
fondness if I were in the market for a Hunqa-type bike. But basically
it looks too much a mash-up for me. Dare I mention the Pontiac Aztek?
Or would I sound like the King in "Amadeus" if I said "Too many
angles!"?

Oh well, I'm not in love with the colors or the lug-lining, either.
Perhaps it was the one-time use of the word "kidney" in its
description.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Oct 2, 11:51 am, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> It looks good but I am still not sure how I feel about the sloping TT
> look.  I much prefer a straighter TT.
>
> On Oct 2, 11:19 am, eflayer  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I recently purchased a Gunnar Sport with custom Waterford threaded
> > steel fork.  The idea was to get to a bike just like the San Marcos.
> > The Gunnar is gorgeous and rides well, but no lugs and a bit kludgy to
> > get the 1 inch fork installed into the 1.125 headtube.  Love the bike,
> > but would have probably preferred the "San" instead.  Think Grant and
> > Merry Sales found a nice little empty hole in the marketplace and the
> > San should fill it just right.  My Gunnar with custom steel fork was
> > $1150, so the price point on the San is just right or even more fair.
>
> > On Oct 2, 8:10 am, eflayer  wrote:
>
> > > the perfect addition to the Soma Fab and Riv families.  Sorta like
> > > half way between a Smoothie ES and a Sam.  Smoothies are fine and
> > > cheap, but you gotta go modern with shortish headtube and 1.125
> > > steerer.  The "San" gets you lugs, old school fork/stem technology
> > > (cool!), I like that barely bent steel fork, and Roadeo-ish geometry.
> > > Always room for another great idea, collaboration, and more
> > > traditional steel.  Good luck to all involved.  I am thinking these
> > > will be hotcakes in our lifestyle niche.
>
> > > On Oct 2, 7:44 am, Justin August  wrote:
>
> > > > I could definitely see myself saving up and grabbing one for Spring/
> > > > Summer fast rides next year. It's on my shirt list now along with the
> > > > VO Rando frame.
>
> > > > On Oct 2, 8:23 am, Mike  wrote:
>
> > > > > Yeah, that really is a very nice looking bike. I'm glad it's
> > > > > happening.
>
> > > > > --mike- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 23:56 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mike  wrote:
> On Oct 2, 8:26 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean
> 
> wrote:
> > All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers.
> Nothing beats
> > 'em with bar-end shifters.
> 
> Vas ist "RR" derailleurs? If that means (somehow) "reverse pull" and
> someone wants to trade an honest American-type normal pull for a
> poncey (lovely word!) LX r pull one, let's tawk.

I think RR stands for "Rapid Rise," also known as "ass backwards," or
"low normal": unhook the cable, and the derailleur auto-shifts to the
lowest gear/largest sprocket.

I don't follow this sort of thing closely, but in a recent thread on
2011 XTR someone made the comment that "Rapid Rise is now dead".

> 
> 
> I don't like them atall. 

I've been through this once before, with SunTour backwards-acting front
derailleurs.  Sooner or later, no matter how much you love the gear (and
I loved the Compe V front derailleur, and hung onto them many years
after they went out of production) you have to switch back, and the
switch is painful.




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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale/ Non-Rivendell Rivendell Bike Ride (Mark's Route

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks for the photos. Wonderful roads; they don't look dusty at all --
smooth and firm! Not like our sand. Wish we had some nearby here in ABQ, but
ours are either sandy or else steep, sometimes both (NW of city).

Who is the rider in the red jersey with the (to my eyes) matt grey cross
looking bike with aheadset and bes? Is that a Legolas or a custom?
Interesting bike.

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:38 PM, MannyAcosta wrote:

>

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[newenglandbike]

I have an RR derailleur on my bombadil, a high-normal derailleur on my
trek, and a suntour cyclone equipped centurion with the 'backward'
front derailleur.I switch between bikes all the time, and after
the first couple of shifts, you don't really have to think about it
anymore.

I think the main benefit of RR derailleur that makes me want to stock
up on them as well is that, when using them with friction shifters, on
the rare occasion that you slip out of gear (which only ever happens
when you're going up hill for some reason) you end up in a lower
gear. This is WAY better than 'standard' rear d's where you end up
thrown into an even harder gear in the middle of a climb.



On Oct 3, 7:00 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 23:56 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mike  wrote:
> >         On Oct 2, 8:26 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean
> >         
> >         wrote:
> >         > All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers.
> >         Nothing beats
> >         > 'em with bar-end shifters.
>
> > Vas ist "RR" derailleurs? If that means (somehow) "reverse pull" and
> > someone wants to trade an honest American-type normal pull for a
> > poncey (lovely word!) LX r pull one, let's tawk.
>
> I think RR stands for "Rapid Rise," also known as "ass backwards," or
> "low normal": unhook the cable, and the derailleur auto-shifts to the
> lowest gear/largest sprocket.
>
> I don't follow this sort of thing closely, but in a recent thread on
> 2011 XTR someone made the comment that "Rapid Rise is now dead".
>
>
>
> > I don't like them atall.
>
> I've been through this once before, with SunTour backwards-acting front
> derailleurs.  Sooner or later, no matter how much you love the gear (and
> I loved the Compe V front derailleur, and hung onto them many years
> after they went out of production) you have to switch back, and the
> switch is painful.

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[RBW] Re: grip king and power grip combo?

[R Gonet]

I'm using power grips on three sets of grip kings and love them.  You
have to pop off the reflectors first, then just mount them normally.
I did not have to use spacers or make any other modifications, as one
other member described.  I'm not sure what he is referring to.  I have
emailed Grant and told him that the combo does work, but he has not
changed the advertisement, perhaps because it involves removing the
reflectors, which he would be against.  If that's an issue buy some of
his reflective tape and stick it on the bike, which I have done.  It
is *very* bright.

On Oct 1, 5:07 pm, Brencho  wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I'm wondering if anyone has used power grips on the grip kings. If so,
> how can I get the bracket with the compression clip attached to the
> pedal? Thanks!
> Brencho

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[RBW] Re: Garage Sale

[William]

I had planned on being back in the Bay Area in time for the Garage
Sale, but ended up stuck in Frankfurt Germany of all places.  I wish I
could have made it.  Sounds like big fun.

On Oct 2, 7:27 pm, Abcyclehank  wrote:
> Thanks all for the updates.  Can almost picture it in my head.
> Probably best I was not there too.  Just glad I did not miss out on
> any "big boy frames" looking for something 64+ for my first and likely
> only new frame purchase ever.  Have had two "used" Rivs but neither
> were really large enough so I reluctantly passes them each on to
> elated first time Rivendell owners.  Riding a custom built 72cm non
> lugged Mark N.  road bike currently but want something that will work
> for both centuries and touring.
> Sorry for the tangent-- really happy for everyone who found great
> deals but glad I did not miss out personally.
>
> Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: grip king and power grip combo?

[Ray Shine]

Gonet is correct. the straps readily work on the GripKings.  I should have 
clarified the space thing.  I used the space to hold out the outboard end of 
each strap flush with front of the pedal.  I suppose it's not entirely 
necessary, but it does provide a few extra mm's of clearance for your shoe.  I 
also drilled and tapped in the little set screws for more bite.  GripKings tend 
to be much less grippy when the bottom of your shoe is smooth-soled or wet.  
That's their one drawback, as evidenced, I believe, by Riv's own 
post-production 
instructions about tapping in the set screw/spike things.





From: R Gonet 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 9:08:20 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: grip king and power grip combo?

I'm using power grips on three sets of grip kings and love them.  You
have to pop off the reflectors first, then just mount them normally.
I did not have to use spacers or make any other modifications, as one
other member described.  I'm not sure what he is referring to.  I have
emailed Grant and told him that the combo does work, but he has not
changed the advertisement, perhaps because it involves removing the
reflectors, which he would be against.  If that's an issue buy some of
his reflective tape and stick it on the bike, which I have done.  It
is *very* bright.

On Oct 1, 5:07 pm, Brencho  wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I'm wondering if anyone has used power grips on the grip kings. If so,
> how can I get the bracket with the compression clip attached to the
> pedal? Thanks!
> Brencho

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[RBW] NonRiv Ride Maine style

[fulf]

So I was feeling low-again there was a sale and ride at RBW HQ and I'm
3000 miles away. Decided I'd do my own Riv ride so I took care of
errands, packed a pbj,chips and an apple and pedaled off on my
Atlantis for Mount Agamenticus. From my home in Kennebunk,Mt A is 24
miles. The mountain is only 692 feet but from the base it rises in
three stages -and they are steep. Last time I rode it I did some
walkin'. This time I stopped at the end of each stage and took a
breather-no walkin'. It was gorgeous at the top. Many of the trees
have begun to turn.  MT A is also a fabulous place to view hawk
migration. While eating I saw an osprey, many turkey vultures, an
American Kestrel and a Peregrine falcon.

I was hugging the brake levers on the way down. Unfortunately the road
is twisty and I really couldn't let loose. Of course the Atlantis rode
beautifully,absorbing the rough roads. At home I enjoyed a cold brew,
Fryes Leap brewed by Sebago Brewing Co. It's the closest brew I've
found to SNs celebration Ale. All in all it was a fantastic day,
although I did miss the comradery of other Riv riders. Maybe next time
I'll make to HQ.

Sorry ,I have no photos. Went to grab the camera and realized someone
else in the family was using it.  Bill

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[RBW] Re: Seattle Riv Ride: 10:10 on 10/10/10

[rob markwardt]

Hi,  I think I can make it.  I'll likely ride down to the start from
the Wallingford area so if you want to tag along let me know.  I might
have to head back early since I have a cross country meet to get to by
1:00 (btw...when did 1st graders start running cross country?)

"the other" Rob

On Oct 1, 6:28 pm, amoll68  wrote:
> Embrace the rain. It's kinda fun, actually. Good fenders and mud-flaps
> are key. Otherwise, not a big deal. Though, I admit I don't ride more
> than a couple hours in the rain . . .
>
> The only downside is the extra maintenance. I enjoy working on my
> bikes, but cleaning chains and cogs weekly, and wiping off rims daily,
> is kind of a drag. It's the only way to get decent mileage out of your
> components in the winter, though. The wet grit slurry is very hard on
> components.
>
> Alex

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[RBW] Another supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...

[Mike]

...a 200k brevet on platform pedals. Actually it wasn't so bad but I
did get a bit of a hot spot at one point that was worse than anything
I've ever had with SPDs. Since finishing my SR series back in June
I've spent the summer doing 95% of my riding in platform pedals and
MUSA shorts or knickers. Things fell in place to do the Bikenfest 200k
and rather than switching pedals and dressing up in bibs I figured I'd
just wear the getup I've been wearing all summer.

This was also the first brevet I've done in a long time with no HB bag
or fenders on the bike. For tires I used Panaracer T-Serves (700x35).
I ended up caring my supplies in my Sackville SaddlesBag (medium)
which was a bit of overkill. I hadn't done this ride before so while
the weather was predicted to be nice I still packed a LS wool shirt,
jacket, lights and other odds and ends I felt I'd need in case I
finished after sunset.

Ten miles into the ride you begin a long and steady climb out of the
Gorge and up into the rolling hills of eastern Washington. The climb
was great, never too steep and offering stunning views of Mt Hood and
Mt Adams at times. I actually was riding well and didn't even really
notice the climb as I was enjoying the talking with other
randonneurs.

We had and incredible descent to the Klickitat River which was
somewhat marred by a group of 8 or 9 motorcyclist flying down the
descent and somewhat crowding me and some other randonneurs. One of
the motorcyclist ended up overshooting a corner and going into some
rocks and the canyon wall but appeared to be up and okay by the time
we passed.

The climb out of the Klickitat River was great but my feet were kind
of hurting. I had developed a hot spot on each foot. I was using a
pair of Patagonia Bagleys with MKS Sneaker Pedals. Fortunately it was
easy to move my feet around on the pedals and get some relief. We
stopped in Glennwood, ate and then continued climbing before heading
into Trout Lake where there was a short out and back followed by about
25 miles of steady descending back to the Gorge and the final control.
After the stop in Glenwood my feet felt fine and I had no further
problems with the hotspot.

We finished in 10:05hrs which was a fine. For some reason I had
thought this ride would be a lot harder. We were quite leisurely
through the controls. I definitely brought way too much stuff but
that's fine. Better to be prepared and it wasn't like I was shooting
for a sub 8hr finish like earlier this year.

I had actually been contemplating laying off randonneuring for next
year but found myself saying "See you at the Birkie next year" at the
final control. I'll most likely be out there again next year but I'll
definitely be in bibs and wearing bike shoes. I gotta say though, I
really didn't miss my HB bag that much and loved the way my Hilsen
handled without it. I think for next year I may just try and use a
trunk bag on a rack. We'll see.

Here are some photos. They're not so great as I took them with my
phone and often seemed to be shooting into the sun.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157624961799637/

--mike

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Re: [RBW] NonRiv Ride Maine style

[cyclotourist]

But what did you do to substitute for the garage sale? :-)

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 7:33 AM, fulf  wrote:

> So I was feeling low-again there was a sale and ride at RBW HQ and I'm
> 3000 miles away. Decided I'd do my own Riv ride so I took care of
> errands, packed a pbj,chips and an apple and pedaled off on my
> Atlantis for Mount Agamenticus. From my home in Kennebunk,Mt A is 24
> miles. The mountain is only 692 feet but from the base it rises in
> three stages -and they are steep. Last time I rode it I did some
> walkin'. This time I stopped at the end of each stage and took a
> breather-no walkin'. It was gorgeous at the top. Many of the trees
> have begun to turn.  MT A is also a fabulous place to view hawk
> migration. While eating I saw an osprey, many turkey vultures, an
> American Kestrel and a Peregrine falcon.
>
> I was hugging the brake levers on the way down. Unfortunately the road
> is twisty and I really couldn't let loose. Of course the Atlantis rode
> beautifully,absorbing the rough roads. At home I enjoyed a cold brew,
> Fryes Leap brewed by Sebago Brewing Co. It's the closest brew I've
> found to SNs celebration Ale. All in all it was a fantastic day,
> although I did miss the comradery of other Riv riders. Maybe next time
> I'll make to HQ.
>
> Sorry ,I have no photos. Went to grab the camera and realized someone
> else in the family was using it.  Bill
>
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[RBW] NonRiv Ride Maine style

[Aaron Young]

You have a great idea there - maybe we could all do a RBW-list ride, on the
same day, but wherever you are.  Or list members in close proximity to each
other could meet up, but it would be Ride Day or something.  Then think of
all the cool ride reports there could be!  Just a thought...

Congrats on your great ride.  It sure beats the
sitting-at-home-doing-nothing that I did yesterday.  I would include a
report of it, but it pretty much describes itself.

Aaron Young
Rochester, NY

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 1:24 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> But what did you do to substitute for the garage sale? :-)
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 7:33 AM, fulf  wrote:
>
>> So I was feeling low-again there was a sale and ride at RBW HQ and I'm
>> 3000 miles away. Decided I'd do my own Riv ride so I took care of
>> errands, packed a pbj,chips and an apple and pedaled off on my
>> Atlantis for Mount Agamenticus. From my home in Kennebunk,Mt A is 24
>> miles. The mountain is only 692 feet but from the base it rises in
>> three stages -and they are steep. Last time I rode it I did some
>> walkin'. This time I stopped at the end of each stage and took a
>> breather-no walkin'. It was gorgeous at the top. Many of the trees
>> have begun to turn.  MT A is also a fabulous place to view hawk
>> migration. While eating I saw an osprey, many turkey vultures, an
>> American Kestrel and a Peregrine falcon.
>>
>> I was hugging the brake levers on the way down. Unfortunately the road
>> is twisty and I really couldn't let loose. Of course the Atlantis rode
>> beautifully,absorbing the rough roads. At home I enjoyed a cold brew,
>> Fryes Leap brewed by Sebago Brewing Co. It's the closest brew I've
>> found to SNs celebration Ale. All in all it was a fantastic day,
>> although I did miss the comradery of other Riv riders. Maybe next time
>> I'll make to HQ.
>>
>> Sorry ,I have no photos. Went to grab the camera and realized someone
>> else in the family was using it.  Bill
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Re: [RBW] Re: Garage Sale

[nathan spindel]

I also had a wonderful time at the sale, and on the following ride!
Thanks to RBW and to all the customers for a great day. I was one of
those lucky few who picked up a frame – I got a beautiful pink 50cm
Saluki for my lady: < http://flic.kr/p/8G63Ad>. Very excited to build
it up for her as a road bike / occasional light S24O hauler.

I also got out with 2 Atlantis caps, 2 of the
aforementioned-crazy-deal-of-the-century Nigel Smythe bags, a
noodle+stem+brake-lever setup, another Nitto stem and a couple pairs
of gloves. I rummaged around the wool clothing piles for quite a while
but my size (M) was not to be found.

The ride up the mountain was a blast. 8 of us, including Grant and
Keven, took some trails back down the mountain. It was a blast,
although my RB-1 with 27mm tires (< http://flic.kr/p/8FTvy5>) and
forward position really wasn't meant to ride trails like that… I ended
up hiking a lot of it. But regardless, tons of fun. Can't wait to try
those trails again with a fat tired bike.

It was nice to meet new people and a couple list/flickr folks like
Erik and Manny. Looking forward to riding with y'all in the future.

-nathan

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 6:32 PM, reidplum  wrote:
> Two of the small Saluki frames, after a bit of haggling with John,
> went for $800 apiece. Nice! Also nice was an almost completly built-up
> Ramb marked $1500 that after haggling, went for $1200. If that had
> been in my size, I would have snapped it up in a second. Lots of fun,
> even though I "only" got a screamin' deal on a Merino wool turtlneck/
> zip top. Perfect for under a windbreaker or rain jacket.
>
> Lotsa people there, too. Some of the sections (stuff was grouped by
> price, $5, $10, $20, etc.) were completly cleaned out. Riv WHQ now has
> some space in which to start squirreling away stuff for the next
> garage sale.
>
> Reid
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[RBW] Re: Another supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...

[rcnute]

Whatever--you'll be randoing like a fiend.

I'm thinking of going exclusively to flat pedals but I haven't done
any rides longer than STP (2-day) with them.  Maybe the trick is to
wear fifteen year old Birkenstocks with worn soles.

Ryan

On Oct 3, 10:16 am, Mike  wrote:
> ...a 200k brevet on platform pedals. Actually it wasn't so bad but I
> did get a bit of a hot spot at one point that was worse than anything
> I've ever had with SPDs. Since finishing my SR series back in June
> I've spent the summer doing 95% of my riding in platform pedals and
> MUSA shorts or knickers. Things fell in place to do the Bikenfest 200k
> and rather than switching pedals and dressing up in bibs I figured I'd
> just wear the getup I've been wearing all summer.
>
> This was also the first brevet I've done in a long time with no HB bag
> or fenders on the bike. For tires I used Panaracer T-Serves (700x35).
> I ended up caring my supplies in my Sackville SaddlesBag (medium)
> which was a bit of overkill. I hadn't done this ride before so while
> the weather was predicted to be nice I still packed a LS wool shirt,
> jacket, lights and other odds and ends I felt I'd need in case I
> finished after sunset.
>
> Ten miles into the ride you begin a long and steady climb out of the
> Gorge and up into the rolling hills of eastern Washington. The climb
> was great, never too steep and offering stunning views of Mt Hood and
> Mt Adams at times. I actually was riding well and didn't even really
> notice the climb as I was enjoying the talking with other
> randonneurs.
>
> We had and incredible descent to the Klickitat River which was
> somewhat marred by a group of 8 or 9 motorcyclist flying down the
> descent and somewhat crowding me and some other randonneurs. One of
> the motorcyclist ended up overshooting a corner and going into some
> rocks and the canyon wall but appeared to be up and okay by the time
> we passed.
>
> The climb out of the Klickitat River was great but my feet were kind
> of hurting. I had developed a hot spot on each foot. I was using a
> pair of Patagonia Bagleys with MKS Sneaker Pedals. Fortunately it was
> easy to move my feet around on the pedals and get some relief. We
> stopped in Glennwood, ate and then continued climbing before heading
> into Trout Lake where there was a short out and back followed by about
> 25 miles of steady descending back to the Gorge and the final control.
> After the stop in Glenwood my feet felt fine and I had no further
> problems with the hotspot.
>
> We finished in 10:05hrs which was a fine. For some reason I had
> thought this ride would be a lot harder. We were quite leisurely
> through the controls. I definitely brought way too much stuff but
> that's fine. Better to be prepared and it wasn't like I was shooting
> for a sub 8hr finish like earlier this year.
>
> I had actually been contemplating laying off randonneuring for next
> year but found myself saying "See you at the Birkie next year" at the
> final control. I'll most likely be out there again next year but I'll
> definitely be in bibs and wearing bike shoes. I gotta say though, I
> really didn't miss my HB bag that much and loved the way my Hilsen
> handled without it. I think for next year I may just try and use a
> trunk bag on a rack. We'll see.
>
> Here are some photos. They're not so great as I took them with my
> phone and often seemed to be shooting into the sun.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157624961799637/
>
> --mike

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[RBW] Re: Another supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...

[Jeremy Till]

Mike, out of curiosity, what size are your feet?  I ask because I have
fairly large feet (size 15 US/50 euro) and I recently tried some
platform pedal riding.  I found that for anything over 10 minutes,
really, my feet got fairly uncomfortable pretty quickly, even in
footwear with fairly heavy soles (like my chaco sandals).  My theory
is that the large difference in size between my foot and the pedal
surface means that the pressure has more of an effect, because
relative to the size/structure of my foot, it is focused on smaller
area.

I haven't tried larger platforms like the grip kings, but the truth is
I really have no problem with using clipless pedals (time ATACs in my
case).  My sidis are by far the most comfortable shoes I own and their
stiff soles mean that my feet never experience hot spots or cramps on
long rides.  I know i can't move my foot around that much but I found
that even when riding on platform pedals my foot stayed pretty much in
the same place as it would with clipless--after riding them for so
long, it feels weird to have my foot anywhere else while pedaling.


On Oct 3, 10:16 am, Mike  wrote:
> ...a 200k brevet on platform pedals. Actually it wasn't so bad but I
> did get a bit of a hot spot at one point that was worse than anything
> I've ever had with SPDs. Since finishing my SR series back in June
> I've spent the summer doing 95% of my riding in platform pedals and
> MUSA shorts or knickers. Things fell in place to do the Bikenfest 200k
> and rather than switching pedals and dressing up in bibs I figured I'd
> just wear the getup I've been wearing all summer.
>
> This was also the first brevet I've done in a long time with no HB bag
> or fenders on the bike. For tires I used Panaracer T-Serves (700x35).
> I ended up caring my supplies in my Sackville SaddlesBag (medium)
> which was a bit of overkill. I hadn't done this ride before so while
> the weather was predicted to be nice I still packed a LS wool shirt,
> jacket, lights and other odds and ends I felt I'd need in case I
> finished after sunset.
>
> Ten miles into the ride you begin a long and steady climb out of the
> Gorge and up into the rolling hills of eastern Washington. The climb
> was great, never too steep and offering stunning views of Mt Hood and
> Mt Adams at times. I actually was riding well and didn't even really
> notice the climb as I was enjoying the talking with other
> randonneurs.
>
> We had and incredible descent to the Klickitat River which was
> somewhat marred by a group of 8 or 9 motorcyclist flying down the
> descent and somewhat crowding me and some other randonneurs. One of
> the motorcyclist ended up overshooting a corner and going into some
> rocks and the canyon wall but appeared to be up and okay by the time
> we passed.
>
> The climb out of the Klickitat River was great but my feet were kind
> of hurting. I had developed a hot spot on each foot. I was using a
> pair of Patagonia Bagleys with MKS Sneaker Pedals. Fortunately it was
> easy to move my feet around on the pedals and get some relief. We
> stopped in Glennwood, ate and then continued climbing before heading
> into Trout Lake where there was a short out and back followed by about
> 25 miles of steady descending back to the Gorge and the final control.
> After the stop in Glenwood my feet felt fine and I had no further
> problems with the hotspot.
>
> We finished in 10:05hrs which was a fine. For some reason I had
> thought this ride would be a lot harder. We were quite leisurely
> through the controls. I definitely brought way too much stuff but
> that's fine. Better to be prepared and it wasn't like I was shooting
> for a sub 8hr finish like earlier this year.
>
> I had actually been contemplating laying off randonneuring for next
> year but found myself saying "See you at the Birkie next year" at the
> final control. I'll most likely be out there again next year but I'll
> definitely be in bibs and wearing bike shoes. I gotta say though, I
> really didn't miss my HB bag that much and loved the way my Hilsen
> handled without it. I think for next year I may just try and use a
> trunk bag on a rack. We'll see.
>
> Here are some photos. They're not so great as I took them with my
> phone and often seemed to be shooting into the sun.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157624961799637/
>
> --mike

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[RBW] Saluki build decisions

[nathan spindel]

Yesterday at the RBW garage sale I picked up a 50cm 650B Saluki frame.
I'm going to build it up as a road bike / occasional light S24O
hauler. The rider will be a lightweight 5'5" lady, so it'll be able to
carry a 10-20 lb load just fine.

I have much of the build planned out (Noodles w/ bar-ends, XD2, B-17,
rear rack) but haven't decided on:

 1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)
 2. wheels (Rich-built Synergy 32h 105?)
 3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)

What would you suggest for those components, given the uses above?
Thanks for your advice!

-nathan

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Re: [RBW] Saluki build decisions

[cyclotourist]

1 - Brakes:  Love the silvers.  Some complain of too much flex, but I found
them to be perfect.
2 - Wheels:  find a used set of the Synergy/Deore wheels that QBP sold.
3 -Tires: I'd get some Hetres.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:16 AM, nathan spindel  wrote:

> Yesterday at the RBW garage sale I picked up a 50cm 650B Saluki frame.
> I'm going to build it up as a road bike / occasional light S24O
> hauler. The rider will be a lightweight 5'5" lady, so it'll be able to
> carry a 10-20 lb load just fine.
>
> I have much of the build planned out (Noodles w/ bar-ends, XD2, B-17,
> rear rack) but haven't decided on:
>
>  1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)
>  2. wheels (Rich-built Synergy 32h 105?)
>  3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)
>
> What would you suggest for those components, given the uses above?
> Thanks for your advice!
>
> -nathan
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...

[Stuart Fletcher]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:03, rcnute  wrote:
> I'm thinking of going exclusively to flat pedals but I haven't done
> any rides longer than STP (2-day) with them.  Maybe the trick is to
> wear fifteen year old Birkenstocks with worn soles.

You have to carefully break in your shoes to your platform pedals, a
process which can take years... ;-)   ( <-- winking == joke)

Mike: looks/sounds like a beautiful ride, hotspots notwithstanding.  I
want to ride down that way sometime.  Probably won't happen until next
year at this point, but it's something to look forward to.

Thanks for the photos and write up.

Stuart Fletcher
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: grip king and power grip combo?

[R Gonet]

Thanks, Ray.  I'm going to go out in the garage and inspect my setup.
My power grips are adjusted to max to fit my shoes and this may give
me some more strap.  Or maybe I misunderstand you.

On Oct 3, 12:34 pm, Ray Shine  wrote:
> Gonet is correct. the straps readily work on the GripKings.  I should have
> clarified the space thing.  I used the space to hold out the outboard end of
> each strap flush with front of the pedal.  I suppose it's not entirely
> necessary, but it does provide a few extra mm's of clearance for your shoe.  I
> also drilled and tapped in the little set screws for more bite.  GripKings 
> tend
> to be much less grippy when the bottom of your shoe is smooth-soled or wet.  
> That's their one drawback, as evidenced, I believe, by Riv's own 
> post-production
> instructions about tapping in the set screw/spike things.
>
> 
> From: R Gonet 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 9:08:20 AM
> Subject: [RBW] Re: grip king and power grip combo?
>
> I'm using power grips on three sets of grip kings and love them.  You
> have to pop off the reflectors first, then just mount them normally.
> I did not have to use spacers or make any other modifications, as one
> other member described.  I'm not sure what he is referring to.  I have
> emailed Grant and told him that the combo does work, but he has not
> changed the advertisement, perhaps because it involves removing the
> reflectors, which he would be against.  If that's an issue buy some of
> his reflective tape and stick it on the bike, which I have done.  It
> is *very* bright.
>
> On Oct 1, 5:07 pm, Brencho  wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> > I'm wondering if anyone has used power grips on the grip kings. If so,
> > how can I get the bracket with the compression clip attached to the
> > pedal? Thanks!
> > Brencho
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[RBW] Re: Saluki build decisions

[Johnny Alien]

1. brakes - Silvers
2. wheels - The budget 650B set from Rivendell is a great bargain.
3. tires - Col de la Vie is a great all around tire and affordable.
Ever so slightly wider than the Soma.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki build decisions

[erik jensen]

3. for flat-free freedom, the marathon is hard to beat. also a fine offroad
tire.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...

[erik jensen]

jeremy,

i have size 15 feet, and think the chaco grip king combination is a match
made in heaven. i would recommend trying a significantly larger platform
like a GK, as i can't abide traditional rat trap pedals myself.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> Mike, out of curiosity, what size are your feet?  I ask because I have
> fairly large feet (size 15 US/50 euro) and I recently tried some
> platform pedal riding.  I found that for anything over 10 minutes,
> really, my feet got fairly uncomfortable pretty quickly, even in
> footwear with fairly heavy soles (like my chaco sandals).  My theory
> is that the large difference in size between my foot and the pedal
> surface means that the pressure has more of an effect, because
> relative to the size/structure of my foot, it is focused on smaller
> area.
>
> I haven't tried larger platforms like the grip kings, but the truth is
> I really have no problem with using clipless pedals (time ATACs in my
> case).  My sidis are by far the most comfortable shoes I own and their
> stiff soles mean that my feet never experience hot spots or cramps on
> long rides.  I know i can't move my foot around that much but I found
> that even when riding on platform pedals my foot stayed pretty much in
> the same place as it would with clipless--after riding them for so
> long, it feels weird to have my foot anywhere else while pedaling.
>
>
> On Oct 3, 10:16 am, Mike  wrote:
> > ...a 200k brevet on platform pedals. Actually it wasn't so bad but I
> > did get a bit of a hot spot at one point that was worse than anything
> > I've ever had with SPDs. Since finishing my SR series back in June
> > I've spent the summer doing 95% of my riding in platform pedals and
> > MUSA shorts or knickers. Things fell in place to do the Bikenfest 200k
> > and rather than switching pedals and dressing up in bibs I figured I'd
> > just wear the getup I've been wearing all summer.
> >
> > This was also the first brevet I've done in a long time with no HB bag
> > or fenders on the bike. For tires I used Panaracer T-Serves (700x35).
> > I ended up caring my supplies in my Sackville SaddlesBag (medium)
> > which was a bit of overkill. I hadn't done this ride before so while
> > the weather was predicted to be nice I still packed a LS wool shirt,
> > jacket, lights and other odds and ends I felt I'd need in case I
> > finished after sunset.
> >
> > Ten miles into the ride you begin a long and steady climb out of the
> > Gorge and up into the rolling hills of eastern Washington. The climb
> > was great, never too steep and offering stunning views of Mt Hood and
> > Mt Adams at times. I actually was riding well and didn't even really
> > notice the climb as I was enjoying the talking with other
> > randonneurs.
> >
> > We had and incredible descent to the Klickitat River which was
> > somewhat marred by a group of 8 or 9 motorcyclist flying down the
> > descent and somewhat crowding me and some other randonneurs. One of
> > the motorcyclist ended up overshooting a corner and going into some
> > rocks and the canyon wall but appeared to be up and okay by the time
> > we passed.
> >
> > The climb out of the Klickitat River was great but my feet were kind
> > of hurting. I had developed a hot spot on each foot. I was using a
> > pair of Patagonia Bagleys with MKS Sneaker Pedals. Fortunately it was
> > easy to move my feet around on the pedals and get some relief. We
> > stopped in Glennwood, ate and then continued climbing before heading
> > into Trout Lake where there was a short out and back followed by about
> > 25 miles of steady descending back to the Gorge and the final control.
> > After the stop in Glenwood my feet felt fine and I had no further
> > problems with the hotspot.
> >
> > We finished in 10:05hrs which was a fine. For some reason I had
> > thought this ride would be a lot harder. We were quite leisurely
> > through the controls. I definitely brought way too much stuff but
> > that's fine. Better to be prepared and it wasn't like I was shooting
> > for a sub 8hr finish like earlier this year.
> >
> > I had actually been contemplating laying off randonneuring for next
> > year but found myself saying "See you at the Birkie next year" at the
> > final control. I'll most likely be out there again next year but I'll
> > definitely be in bibs and wearing bike shoes. I gotta say though, I
> > really didn't miss my HB bag that much and loved the way my Hilsen
> > handled without it. I think for next year I may just try and use a
> > trunk bag on a rack. We'll see.
> >
> > Here are some photos. They're not so great as I took them with my
> > phone and often seemed to be shooting into the sun.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157624961799637/
> >
> > --mike
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bar-end Shifters and Eclipse Bar Bag

[Anne]

All are sold. Thanks!

On Oct 2, 3:07 pm, Anne  wrote:
> New Shimano Bar-end Shifters
> SL-BS64-8
> 8-Speed + Friction
> $50 shipped
>
> Old, Old School Eclipse Bar Bag
> Includes nifty stem/bar mount and map case.
> Main + front pocket.
> Jimmy Carter Time Warp blue.
> $20 shipped.

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[RBW] Re: Saluki build decisions

[Justin August]

3. I just got the SOMA B-Lines on my Bleriot and I'm enjoying them.
They do away with the weird sound the CdlVs make when my bike is
moving which makes the lady very happy - she is annoyed by the small
things! If you're not going Hetre then I'd go SOMA. They are quieter,
feel nicer (so far) and to help encourage them to keep them in
production!



On Oct 3, 3:20 pm, erik jensen  wrote:
> 3. for flat-free freedom, the marathon is hard to beat. also a fine offroad
> tire.

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[RBW] My 650B Hilsen build is done

[William]

My stable is pretty much complete for a good long while, now that my
650B go-fast(ish) slot is filled.  I finished up my 650B A Homer
Hilsen build.  I'm kind of laid up with a cold so I can't really enjoy
it on the road but I can tell immediately the fit is perfecto.

Build list:

58cm A Homer Hilsen (650B)
Ultegra Headset
Silver brakes/tektro levers
44cm Noodle/Nitto Pearl 11 stem/Newbaums black tape
Suntour sprint downtube shifters
Campy front der
XT rapid rise med cage rear
Ritchey Logic 172.5mm crankset. 30/44 rings
11-28 9 speed cassette SRAM chain
Synergy 32hole black rims
XT rear hub WTB front
Nitto Crystal fellow Avocet R40 saddle
Hetre Reds
King Cage
Shimano 747 SPD pedals

I'll get a Mark's rack for it when they are available so I can run a
handlebar bag or a trunksack small.  It's 24lbs on the nose.  I think
it looks really dynamite.  I set it up with Hetres to start just to
make sure the clearances are all right, but I have Somas and Parimotos
also, which will bring the black and blue vibe together even more.

A few photos on my flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5048544190/



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[RBW] Re: Saluki build decisions

[Calm54]

I have the Pari-motos on my Saluki 650b.  I have had two flats over
900 miles.  The rear tire is now without tread but I really like these
tires.  They are light and fast and good for pavement and gravel.  I
just bought replacement Pari motos from Riv HQ.

On Oct 3, 11:16 am, nathan spindel  wrote:
> Yesterday at the RBW garage sale I picked up a 50cm 650B Saluki frame.
> I'm going to build it up as a road bike / occasional light S24O
> hauler. The rider will be a lightweight 5'5" lady, so it'll be able to
> carry a 10-20 lb load just fine.
>
> I have much of the build planned out (Noodles w/ bar-ends, XD2, B-17,
> rear rack) but haven't decided on:
>
>  1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)
>  2. wheels (Rich-built Synergy 32h 105?)
>  3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)
>
> What would you suggest for those components, given the uses above?
> Thanks for your advice!
>
> -nathan

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[RBW] Re: First Hunqa siting in the wild (of Alameda)

[Peter Andrews]

Hi Ray,

I'm betting that was me.  I commute to and from work (which is on Bay
Farm Island) Tue - Sat, and I am usually on my way home (to Oakland)
along Fernside around noon-time (if you're up early enough, you'll
catch me going to work ~ 0215 or so (that's what you get when you
deliver fresh bread for a living)).  I'm a bearded fellow, but I ride
a black Bombadil (some would say the predecessor to the Hunqapillar),
double top tube (with a frame pump in between), mustache bars and a
medium basket on front.  Looks like this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/beardedpeter/5033997943/

Hope that link worked.  If that was the bike, that was me.  I
initially built up as a singlespeed:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/beardedpeter/3870914885/

I inevitably desired some gears.  Once I got over the initial
inhibitions of setting up derailleurs for the first time, I finally
built it to its current configuration about a month ago.  Lovin' it.
Give me a shout the next time you see me.

Funny thing, I saw a nice (aren't they always?) Atlantis on the Bay
Farm Bridge the day before, and just this morning spied a uniquely
dark green Saluki on Park St.  AND, I ran into John B. of RBW (on
another fantastic Saluki) while delivering in Berkeley just over a
week ago

Bummed I missed the garage sale and ride too.  My commitment to work
(and the bills I need to pay) sometimes messes with my priorities.

Cheers

Peter

On Oct 2, 5:20 pm, Ray  wrote:
> Spotted my first wild Hunqa today on Fernside Dr. in Alameda. Very
> impressive. Double top tube, M'bars (it appeared) bearded chap on-
> board wearing a riv soft cap. About 1200 -- 1230 hours.  Anyone on
> this list?
>
> I was just retuning from grandson's soccer game when I made the spot.
> It was the mandatory attendance at the game that kept me from shooting
> through the tunnel to Walnut Creek for the RBW garage sale.  Did I
> miss anything?

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[RBW] Re: First Hunqa siting in the wild (of Alameda)

[Calm54]

Wow, what a great looking Bombadil!  Wish Grant made them in my size.
I noticed the Tioga Spyder pedals, I run them on my Saluki and love
them, my shoes are losing their tread on the spikes though.  Cal

On Oct 3, 1:01 pm, Peter Andrews  wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
> I'm betting that was me.  I commute to and from work (which is on Bay
> Farm Island) Tue - Sat, and I am usually on my way home (to Oakland)
> along Fernside around noon-time (if you're up early enough, you'll
> catch me going to work ~ 0215 or so (that's what you get when you
> deliver fresh bread for a living)).  I'm a bearded fellow, but I ride
> a black Bombadil (some would say the predecessor to the Hunqapillar),
> double top tube (with a frame pump in between), mustache bars and a
> medium basket on front.  Looks like this:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/beardedpeter/5033997943/
>
> Hope that link worked.  If that was the bike, that was me.  I
> initially built up as a singlespeed:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/beardedpeter/3870914885/
>
> I inevitably desired some gears.  Once I got over the initial
> inhibitions of setting up derailleurs for the first time, I finally
> built it to its current configuration about a month ago.  Lovin' it.
> Give me a shout the next time you see me.
>
> Funny thing, I saw a nice (aren't they always?) Atlantis on the Bay
> Farm Bridge the day before, and just this morning spied a uniquely
> dark green Saluki on Park St.  AND, I ran into John B. of RBW (on
> another fantastic Saluki) while delivering in Berkeley just over a
> week ago
>
> Bummed I missed the garage sale and ride too.  My commitment to work
> (and the bills I need to pay) sometimes messes with my priorities.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> On Oct 2, 5:20 pm, Ray  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Spotted my first wild Hunqa today on Fernside Dr. in Alameda. Very
> > impressive. Double top tube, M'bars (it appeared) bearded chap on-
> > board wearing a riv soft cap. About 1200 -- 1230 hours.  Anyone on
> > this list?
>
> > I was just retuning from grandson's soccer game when I made the spot.
> > It was the mandatory attendance at the game that kept me from shooting
> > through the tunnel to Walnut Creek for the RBW garage sale.  Did I
> > miss anything?

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[RBW] Back to the Friction

[Justin August]

So it's time to get a new cassette for the Bleriot and I'm in a bit of
a quandary. Last time I tried friction shifting something was just
off. It wouldn't hold a gear when I started cranking on the bike going
up hills or on the flats. Slipping gears drive me bonkers so I dropped
it and went indexed.

However, I recently moved the 700c wheels from my SOMA Double Cross
(which the Bleriot replaced) to the Lady's bike. I grabbed an 8 speed
cassette from Firehouse bikes and she's been shifting with absolutely
0 problems with her Suntour power ratchet thumbies.

Since it's time to get a new cassette and I wouldn't mind spending the
scrilla on some Silvers - should I be worried about friction shifting
across an 8 speed cassette still? I I would probably roll with an
11-28 or 11-30 cassette with 48x36x24 in the front. Last time I was
using a 9 speed cassette with a single ring up front and I think that
could have been the problem.

Am I being ridiculous and just order up?

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[Garth]

No worry at all. They'll shift as many cogs as you want. Go ahead and
order them.

If a friction shifter doesn't hold a gear, it means you don't have it
tightened enough. What makes the SunTour power ratchet so nice is you
get a nice balance between tight enough that it won't lose a gear, but
loose enough that it has a light action.

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[RBW] Re: Seattle Riv Ride: 10:10 on 10/10/10

[Bruce Curry]

Sorry to miss the ride next weekend. I have seen several Rivs in
Seattle this summer (two blue Rams, a yellow Bleroit, a green custom
(?) and a seafoam Atlantis) and I would love to see more.

Bruce
Orange Ram.

On Sep 30, 1:00 pm, Rob Harrison  wrote:
> San Diego, San Francisco and Portland have RIv Rides--let's try for  
> one in Seattle! I hear they've happened in the past Brian Hanson  
> and I have been talking about this. Here's the plan:
>
> We'll depart at 10:10am on 10/10/10 from Pert's Deli. Come earlier for  
> coffee and pastries. We'll head up the hill and over the I-90 Bridge  
> for a circumnavigation of Mercer Island, and then head back to Seattle  
> for lunch if anyone's up for it, possibly at the Madrona Ale House.  
> Around Mercer Island is about a 2-hour ride for me from my house in  
> nearby Mt Baker, 'least it was this summer, last time I did it, a  
> while prior to the STP. (Clearly I'm no speed demon!) We can break  
> into different speed groups, if enough people show up to make that  
> worthwhile. Plans may be adjusted, ride shortened or lengthened  
> depending on who shows up and how we all feel. The forecast looks  
> fantastic right now.
>
> I'll be on my butterscotch Saluki, wearing wool...;)
>
> Let me know if you think you'll come along, we can wait for you.
>
> Rob in Seattle
>
> ___
>
> By the way
>
> Here's a route guide:   
> and...
>
> a Google Map of Pert's Deli:
>   >

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[RBW] Happy Birthday Milo Mowen!

[Andrew Letton]

Happy First Birthday to Milo, son of Danelle(sp?) and Keven of RBW!
cheers,
Andrew

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Re: [RBW] Saluki build decisions

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 11:16 -0700, nathan spindel wrote:
> Yesterday at the RBW garage sale I picked up a 50cm 650B Saluki frame.
> I'm going to build it up as a road bike / occasional light S24O
> hauler. The rider will be a lightweight 5'5" lady, so it'll be able to
> carry a 10-20 lb load just fine.
> 
> I have much of the build planned out (Noodles w/ bar-ends, XD2, B-17,
> rear rack) but haven't decided on:
> 
>  1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)

Paul center pulls are phenomenal brakes.  They're also expensive, but in
my opinion worth it.


>  3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)

Much depends here on your goals, and how you intend to use the bike.
CdlVs last a very long time, are quite sturdy and hold up well on gravel
and in commuting service, and they're quite inexpensive.  They do make
noise, and some people feel they squirm in hard cornering, and they
aren't the fastest rolling 650B tires.  

Pari Motos are light, fast, and corner extremely well.  They're also
fairly expensive and they wear much faster than either Hetres or CdlVs
(I just replaced my back tire at 1650 miles).  I've found them quite
robust.  Peter Weigle used them on the Deerfield Dirt Road Randonnee and
on other dirt road rides near his shop, and finds they hold up well on
gravel.

Hetres will fit - at least, they fit my 60cm Saluki, but in order to fit
the 58mm fender between the chainstays I had to cut it down.  Hetres are
absolutely phenomenal on gravel.  There's so much cushion and so much
floatation.  It gives you a tremendous sense of comfort and control.
Hetres are also long-wearing.  They do have thin sidewalls, and some
people have found the sidewalls to be fragile and easily cut; this seems
to depend on what the geology's like where you ride.  Here in Northern
Virginia, the sidewalls hold up very well.  They're not cheap, but they
will last a long time, and for a tire that long wearing they're very
fast-rolling, too.  

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Earl Grey]

I too have become a big rapid rise/bar end fan due to Grant's
promotion of them. Love the idea of the switchable rear derailer. Good
luck with that. That said, there is another diff, which is that the
cable attachment bolt is on the back plate of the parallelogram
instead of the front one. I assume Grant knows this, but just in
case...

Istarted stocking up on them a while back as I don't really like the
current X-shaped ones. And yes, they were designed to work with the
mtn brifters where you shift by pushing down on the brake levers. One
last thing: rapid rise detailers work really well with Campy Ergo
brifters, which don't have the silly one gear at a time limitation
(but you gotta use 10 sp campy with 8 speed shimano, or 10 sp with 9
sp and route the rear del cable the wrong way around the bolt.

On Oct 3, 8:19 pm, newenglandbike  wrote:
> I have an RR derailleur on my bombadil, a high-normal derailleur on my
> trek, and a suntour cyclone equipped centurion with the 'backward'
> front derailleur.    I switch between bikes all the time, and after
> the first couple of shifts, you don't really have to think about it
> anymore.
>
> I think the main benefit of RR derailleur that makes me want to stock
> up on them as well is that, when using them with friction shifters, on
> the rare occasion that you slip out of gear (which only ever happens
> when you're going up hill for some reason) you end up in a lower
> gear.     This is WAY better than 'standard' rear d's where you end up
> thrown into an even harder gear in the middle of a climb.
>
> On Oct 3, 7:00 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 23:56 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mike  wrote:
> > >         On Oct 2, 8:26 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean
> > >         
> > >         wrote:
> > >         > All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers.
> > >         Nothing beats
> > >         > 'em with bar-end shifters.
>
> > > Vas ist "RR" derailleurs? If that means (somehow) "reverse pull" and
> > > someone wants to trade an honest American-type normal pull for a
> > > poncey (lovely word!) LX r pull one, let's tawk.
>
> > I think RR stands for "Rapid Rise," also known as "ass backwards," or
> > "low normal": unhook the cable, and the derailleur auto-shifts to the
> > lowest gear/largest sprocket.
>
> > I don't follow this sort of thing closely, but in a recent thread on
> > 2011 XTR someone made the comment that "Rapid Rise is now dead".
>
> > > I don't like them atall.
>
> > I've been through this once before, with SunTour backwards-acting front
> > derailleurs.  Sooner or later, no matter how much you love the gear (and
> > I loved the Compe V front derailleur, and hung onto them many years
> > after they went out of production) you have to switch back, and the
> > switch is painful.

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Earl Grey]

Oh, and regarding San aesthetics, a year ago any discussion about fork
bend would have been utterly lost on me, but the sloping tt on the Sam
almost kept me from buying one. Now I think the San Marcos' fork is a
crime on such a nice bike, and the tt hardly bothers me at all. In
fact, I now prefer the aesthetics of sloping tt + moderate stem
extension to horizontal tt and 20+ cm of stem showing, fwiw. Though I
do think that matching the angle of the tt and the stem extension is
nice.

Grant, any chance you can commission nitto to make a traditional quill
stem with a 6 degree rise? Oh well, didn't think so...

On Oct 4, 4:24 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> I too have become a big rapid rise/bar end fan due to Grant's
> promotion of them. Love the idea of the switchable rear derailer. Good
> luck with that. That said, there is another diff, which is that the
> cable attachment bolt is on the back plate of the parallelogram
> instead of the front one. I assume Grant knows this, but just in
> case...
>
> Istarted stocking up on them a while back as I don't really like the
> current X-shaped ones. And yes, they were designed to work with the
> mtn brifters where you shift by pushing down on the brake levers. One
> last thing: rapid rise detailers work really well with Campy Ergo
> brifters, which don't have the silly one gear at a time limitation
> (but you gotta use 10 sp campy with 8 speed shimano, or 10 sp with 9
> sp and route the rear del cable the wrong way around the bolt.
>
> On Oct 3, 8:19 pm, newenglandbike  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have an RR derailleur on my bombadil, a high-normal derailleur on my
> > trek, and a suntour cyclone equipped centurion with the 'backward'
> > front derailleur.    I switch between bikes all the time, and after
> > the first couple of shifts, you don't really have to think about it
> > anymore.
>
> > I think the main benefit of RR derailleur that makes me want to stock
> > up on them as well is that, when using them with friction shifters, on
> > the rare occasion that you slip out of gear (which only ever happens
> > when you're going up hill for some reason) you end up in a lower
> > gear.     This is WAY better than 'standard' rear d's where you end up
> > thrown into an even harder gear in the middle of a climb.
>
> > On Oct 3, 7:00 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 23:56 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
> > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mike  wrote:
> > > >         On Oct 2, 8:26 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean
> > > >         
> > > >         wrote:
> > > >         > All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers.
> > > >         Nothing beats
> > > >         > 'em with bar-end shifters.
>
> > > > Vas ist "RR" derailleurs? If that means (somehow) "reverse pull" and
> > > > someone wants to trade an honest American-type normal pull for a
> > > > poncey (lovely word!) LX r pull one, let's tawk.
>
> > > I think RR stands for "Rapid Rise," also known as "ass backwards," or
> > > "low normal": unhook the cable, and the derailleur auto-shifts to the
> > > lowest gear/largest sprocket.
>
> > > I don't follow this sort of thing closely, but in a recent thread on
> > > 2011 XTR someone made the comment that "Rapid Rise is now dead".
>
> > > > I don't like them atall.
>
> > > I've been through this once before, with SunTour backwards-acting front
> > > derailleurs.  Sooner or later, no matter how much you love the gear (and
> > > I loved the Compe V front derailleur, and hung onto them many years
> > > after they went out of production) you have to switch back, and the
> > > switch is painful.

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[RBW] FS: SKS P55 Fenders (26 X 55)

[Johnny Alien]

I got a set of these to go on a bike that I no longer have.  They
spent minimal time on the bike and are in excellent + condition.  The
stays have been trimmed but not alot and should work for a 26" wheeled
bike.  It has all of the mounting hardware.

Here's the thing...I have NO idea how to ship these because I don't
have any box that would work and don't know where I could get a big
flat box.  So I am seeing if there is anyone local that might want
this. If it's semi-local I can drive a bit to meet someone as long as
it's within reason.

If you really want it and can direct me on where to get the big box I
will ship it but we shall see where this goes.

$25!

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[RBW] Re: FS: SKS P55 Fenders (26 X 55)

[Justin August]

What's local?

On Oct 3, 5:41 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> I got a set of these to go on a bike that I no longer have.  They
> spent minimal time on the bike and are in excellent + condition.  The
> stays have been trimmed but not alot and should work for a 26" wheeled
> bike.  It has all of the mounting hardware.
>
> Here's the thing...I have NO idea how to ship these because I don't
> have any box that would work and don't know where I could get a big
> flat box.  So I am seeing if there is anyone local that might want
> this. If it's semi-local I can drive a bit to meet someone as long as
> it's within reason.
>
> If you really want it and can direct me on where to get the big box I
> will ship it but we shall see where this goes.
>
> $25!

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[RBW] Re: FS: SKS P55 Fenders (26 X 55)

[Johnny Alien]

Oh yeah. I like when my stupidity is concretely shown.  I am in
central PA.  Harrisburg to be exact.

On Oct 3, 5:46 pm, Justin August  wrote:
> What's local?
>
> On Oct 3, 5:41 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I got a set of these to go on a bike that I no longer have.  They
> > spent minimal time on the bike and are in excellent + condition.  The
> > stays have been trimmed but not alot and should work for a 26" wheeled
> > bike.  It has all of the mounting hardware.
>
> > Here's the thing...I have NO idea how to ship these because I don't
> > have any box that would work and don't know where I could get a big
> > flat box.  So I am seeing if there is anyone local that might want
> > this. If it's semi-local I can drive a bit to meet someone as long as
> > it's within reason.
>
> > If you really want it and can direct me on where to get the big box I
> > will ship it but we shall see where this goes.
>
> > $25!

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[RBW] Re: FS: SKS P55 Fenders (26 X 55)

[Johnny Alien]

And they are silver.

On Oct 3, 5:54 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> Oh yeah. I like when my stupidity is concretely shown.  I am in
> central PA.  Harrisburg to be exact.
>
> On Oct 3, 5:46 pm, Justin August  wrote:
>
>
>
> > What's local?
>
> > On Oct 3, 5:41 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> > > I got a set of these to go on a bike that I no longer have.  They
> > > spent minimal time on the bike and are in excellent + condition.  The
> > > stays have been trimmed but not alot and should work for a 26" wheeled
> > > bike.  It has all of the mounting hardware.
>
> > > Here's the thing...I have NO idea how to ship these because I don't
> > > have any box that would work and don't know where I could get a big
> > > flat box.  So I am seeing if there is anyone local that might want
> > > this. If it's semi-local I can drive a bit to meet someone as long as
> > > it's within reason.
>
> > > If you really want it and can direct me on where to get the big box I
> > > will ship it but we shall see where this goes.
>
> > > $25!

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Re: [RBW] Saluki build decisions

[Rob Harrison]

> 1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)

I have Paul centerpulls on my Saluki. I'm *very* happy with them, though I 
can't compare them, not having ridden the others.

> 2. wheels (Rich-built Synergy 32h 105?)

The 36H Synergy Peter White-built wheels I have are tight and strong. I'm the 
third owner of the bike, so they must be seven or eight years old. Also very 
happy with the SON20 generator hub and White M1.5 cassette rear hub, though I 
doubt I could afford those starting from scratch. 

> 3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)

In the short time (six months) I've had my Saluki I've tried Pari-Motos, white 
Hetres and Marathons. (Slightly used tires often come up on the list for 
cheap!) Pari-Motos ride the nicest by far. Hetres were fine, but I switched to 
Marathons when I put fenders on for the winter, and haven't put the Hetres back 
on to see if they'll fit under my Berthoud composite fenders. The Marathons 
seem hardier than the others (though I have had one flat already), but feel 
wooden compared to the Pari-Motos, and I have less confidence carrying speed 
through corners. Maybe it's the squeaky sound they make when pushed. When the 
Marathons wear out (in several years...) I'll probably get some Marathon 
Supremes (extra-super-flat-proof) for the rainy season commute and off-pavement 
excursions, and stick with Pari-Motos for summer long rides. 

Rob in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[Powderpiggy]

I am using a 9 speed cassette with the Silvers.   No problems here,
and I love them!!!

On Oct 3, 1:49 pm, Garth  wrote:
> No worry at all. They'll shift as many cogs as you want. Go ahead and
> order them.
>
> If a friction shifter doesn't hold a gear, it means you don't have it
> tightened enough. What makes the SunTour power ratchet so nice is you
> get a nice balance between tight enough that it won't lose a gear, but
> loose enough that it has a light action.

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[RBW] Sneaker Pedals

[Powderpiggy]

So I am a bike maintenance novicealthough I am committed to
learning to do it myself.   I have been riding for 25+ years and have
logged thousands of miles,  but I am embarrassed to say that the most
I have ever done to my bike is change the tires/tubes/rim tape, clean
the chain, replace the chain (though that didn't work out very well
for me) and lube the chain.  Everything else I have left to the
professionals.

But I am turning over a new leaf and intend to figure it out.   Which
brings me to my sneaker pedals.   They are very new (i.e. less than
300 miles).  But on a trip through the B.C's Gulf Islands last month,
I rode through three days of continuous rain.  I live in a dry climate
and am also a newbie at crappy weather.

After that trip, every-time I ride the left sneaker pedal had
developed a super annoying clicking noise, and the more pressure I put
on the pedal the more it clicks (probably twice a revolution).   I am
thinking that maybe dirt/grime/whatever got in during the rain.  Not
sure what to do about this, can I take it apart and lubricate? Can you
tell me how?

Keely

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[RBW] RB1 and sackville Sacks.....

[EastBayGuy]

Just wanted to get a few opinions on putting a medium sackville sack
( with silver hoop) and a barsack on my RB1. My buddies say I am crazy
to put this on a true road bike but I beg to differ.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54527...@n06/

I a 250 biggin and I want to get some opinions on if I am pushing the
limits for this frame. Not loading any crazy weight with it. Just
commuting and CC touring.

Opinions would be great.

Awsome Garage sale on Saturday BTW...

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[RBW] This morning's ride.

[Powderpiggy]

Hey, Just wanted to thank everyone that gave me advice on 'upgrades'
for a Betty Foy.   I wound up  not actually really upgrading
anything.   As much as I would have loved the Phil Wood hubs, I just
couldn't justify it.

Anyways, the Betty Foy turned into an Yves Gomez which I ordered from
RBW in July and it arrived in late August.   I have been negligent in
posting pics from my travels with Yves but thought I would throw up a
few from this morning's ride.  I woke up early while everyone else was
still sleeping and snuck out of the house.   It was fabulous.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54500...@n05/sets/72157625087671694/

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[RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[Justin August]

Hmm...
I'm also wondering if I gain anything by going 9 speed over 8?
I know that 10 speed is considered far less durable but what about the
differences between 8 and 9?

-Justin

On Oct 3, 4:54 pm, Powderpiggy  wrote:
> I am using a 9 speed cassette with the Silvers.   No problems here,
> and I love them!!!
>
> On Oct 3, 1:49 pm, Garth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > No worry at all. They'll shift as many cogs as you want. Go ahead and
> > order them.
>
> > If a friction shifter doesn't hold a gear, it means you don't have it
> > tightened enough. What makes the SunTour power ratchet so nice is you
> > get a nice balance between tight enough that it won't lose a gear, but
> > loose enough that it has a light action.

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[RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[Justin August]

Hmm...
I'm also wondering if I gain anything by going 9 speed over 8?
I know that 10 speed is considered far less durable but what about the
differences between 8 and 9?

-Justin

On Oct 3, 4:54 pm, Powderpiggy  wrote:
> I am using a 9 speed cassette with the Silvers.   No problems here,
> and I love them!!!
>
> On Oct 3, 1:49 pm, Garth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > No worry at all. They'll shift as many cogs as you want. Go ahead and
> > order them.
>
> > If a friction shifter doesn't hold a gear, it means you don't have it
> > tightened enough. What makes the SunTour power ratchet so nice is you
> > get a nice balance between tight enough that it won't lose a gear, but
> > loose enough that it has a light action.

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Re: [RBW] Rapid Rise WAS Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Rob Harrison]

Yup. I can vouch for that. I've got the 10-sp ErgoPower brifters/8-sp XTR 
low-normal derailleur setup on my Saluki now. 

Rob in Seattle


On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Earl Grey wrote:

> One
> last thing: rapid rise detailers work really well with Campy Ergo
> brifters, which don't have the silly one gear at a time limitation
> (but you gotta use 10 sp campy with 8 speed shimano, or 10 sp with 9
> sp and route the rear del cable the wrong way around the bolt.

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Re: [RBW] Back to the Friction

[PATRICK MOORE]

I've shifted 9 and 10 with friction with no problem. The 10 was a 46 X11-23
on the 2003 Curt.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Justin August wrote:

> So it's time to get a new cassette for the Bleriot and I'm in a bit of
> a quandary. Last time I tried friction shifting something was just
> off. It wouldn't hold a gear when I started cranking on the bike going
> up hills or on the flats. Slipping gears drive me bonkers so I dropped
> it and went indexed.
>
> However, I recently moved the 700c wheels from my SOMA Double Cross
> (which the Bleriot replaced) to the Lady's bike. I grabbed an 8 speed
> cassette from Firehouse bikes and she's been shifting with absolutely
> 0 problems with her Suntour power ratchet thumbies.
>
> Since it's time to get a new cassette and I wouldn't mind spending the
> scrilla on some Silvers - should I be worried about friction shifting
> across an 8 speed cassette still? I I would probably roll with an
> 11-28 or 11-30 cassette with 48x36x24 in the front. Last time I was
> using a 9 speed cassette with a single ring up front and I think that
> could have been the problem.
>
> Am I being ridiculous and just order up?
>
> -Justin
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[RBW] Re: Saluki build decisions

[JL]

The Saluki is a tough bike.  Don't worry about the load amounts.

The first thing I would ask is: What does she want?

Building a bike up fro someone else is an interesting endeavor.  That
person may, or may not, be interested in the same type of build.


Personally, I would just steer clear of CdlV tires.  I have had
nothing but bad luck and their irregular mounting drives me nuts.


I ride with Hetres or fatty rumpkins on my Saluki.  They both fit fine
under Berthoud 65mm fenders.  I have a cantilever brake Saluki so that
might make a little bit of room available width wise. for the fenders.


-Jason
On Oct 3, 11:16 am, nathan spindel  wrote:
> Yesterday at the RBW garage sale I picked up a 50cm 650B Saluki frame.
> I'm going to build it up as a road bike / occasional light S24O
> hauler. The rider will be a lightweight 5'5" lady, so it'll be able to
> carry a 10-20 lb load just fine.
>
> I have much of the build planned out (Noodles w/ bar-ends, XD2, B-17,
> rear rack) but haven't decided on:
>
>  1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)
>  2. wheels (Rich-built Synergy 32h 105?)
>  3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)
>
> What would you suggest for those components, given the uses above?
> Thanks for your advice!
>
> -nathan

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Re: [RBW] RB1 and sackville Sacks.....

[Bruce]

Looks great!





From: EastBayGuy 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 2:54:08 PM
Subject: [RBW] RB1 and sackville Sacks.

Just wanted to get a few opinions on putting a medium sackville sack
( with silver hoop) and a barsack on my RB1. My buddies say I am crazy
to put this on a true road bike but I beg to differ.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54527...@n06/

I a 250 biggin and I want to get some opinions on if I am pushing the
limits for this frame. Not loading any crazy weight with it. Just
commuting and CC touring.

Opinions would be great.

Awsome Garage sale on Saturday BTW...

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Re: [RBW] RB1 and sackville Sacks.....

[Anne Paulson]

Great looking bike. I see no problem, except maybe if one is really
bag-matchy one might want a different color water bottle. But that
Sackville Sack looks gorgeous.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:54 PM, EastBayGuy  wrote:
> Just wanted to get a few opinions on putting a medium sackville sack
> ( with silver hoop) and a barsack on my RB1. My buddies say I am crazy
> to put this on a true road bike but I beg to differ.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/54527...@n06/
>
> I a 250 biggin and I want to get some opinions on if I am pushing the
> limits for this frame. Not loading any crazy weight with it. Just
> commuting and CC touring.
>
> Opinions would be great.
>
> Awsome Garage sale on Saturday BTW...
>
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[RBW] Re: My 650B Hilsen build is done

[JoelMatthews]

Turned out real well.  Nice build choices.

If you do not mind my asking, what is your height and inseam?

On Oct 3, 2:49 pm, William  wrote:
> My stable is pretty much complete for a good long while, now that my
> 650B go-fast(ish) slot is filled.  I finished up my 650B A Homer
> Hilsen build.  I'm kind of laid up with a cold so I can't really enjoy
> it on the road but I can tell immediately the fit is perfecto.
>
> Build list:
>
> 58cm A Homer Hilsen (650B)
> Ultegra Headset
> Silver brakes/tektro levers
> 44cm Noodle/Nitto Pearl 11 stem/Newbaums black tape
> Suntour sprint downtube shifters
> Campy front der
> XT rapid rise med cage rear
> Ritchey Logic 172.5mm crankset. 30/44 rings
> 11-28 9 speed cassette SRAM chain
> Synergy 32hole black rims
> XT rear hub WTB front
> Nitto Crystal fellow Avocet R40 saddle
> Hetre Reds
> King Cage
> Shimano 747 SPD pedals
>
> I'll get a Mark's rack for it when they are available so I can run a
> handlebar bag or a trunksack small.  It's 24lbs on the nose.  I think
> it looks really dynamite.  I set it up with Hetres to start just to
> make sure the clearances are all right, but I have Somas and Parimotos
> also, which will bring the black and blue vibe together even more.
>
> A few photos on my flickrhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5048544190/

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[RBW] ride report: inadvertent 50 miles

[Seth Vidal]

Started out late this morning right before noon wanting to go for a
ride but not real clear WHERE I wanted to go. I decided to head out
down the rail-trail here in durham and sped off toward it. It was a
cool 63F likely to top out around 67F for the day. I was on the
romulus and feeling pretty good. I had packed water and some dried
figs and a thing of string cheese. Moving at a pretty good pace I
crossed off of the paved portion onto the dirt/portion and oddly the
romulus felt like it picked up speed. Really moving well through the
roots and partial gravel on the jack browns. I crossed over another
road intersection and the trail goes back to being paved and it widens
out dramatically. A fair number of people out but not crowded at all
and all the kids are staying far to the right so no trouble with them.
I'm at about mile 16 and I decided to stop and eat some figs and try
to figure out how much further I want to go. It's warmed up now and
take off the wooly warm sweater vest I bought from Chris when he was
having his garage sales (I love this sweater) and tie it up in a cargo
netting off the back of my saddle rails. It felt great out there.

I had perused google maps earlier and kinda had the general idea of
how to get up to chapel hill from the south end of the trail so I
figured I'd try that. I knew the distance ended up being about 35
miles or so which was fine and then I could either ride the extra 20
miles back to durham or I could take the bus. I am now out of food but
I'm feeling okay. I head off the trail onto some rural roads and
eventually see a pumpkin stand that happens to have late season
peaches. I grab one, slice it up and eat it. This, as it turns out,
was a VERY good idea.

I had made a mental note of road names and one road in particular I
had noted to NOT turn on. My mental notes are sometimes a bit scribbly
so, of course, I turned on it. This is about mile 30 and I'm beginning
to think I should be going more north than the westerly-route I seem
to be taking. I look up the road and notice a pretty steady rise in
the road and I think 'hmm, maybe it goes up a bit and then levels
out'. Almost if I was being mocked I look back down and notice someone
has 'kindly' spraypainted 'Col Du Lystra!' on the road in the front of
me. That sounded ominous. I head up the hill and half-way there
realize that triples are my friend and throw it over to the granny
ring. Except it doesn't drop, It TRIES to but it won't go. I pull up
into the largest cog in the back (a 25, sadly) and push it out the
first part of the hill. After being a little annoyed and the road
leveling out a bit I give the front derailler a small kick and then
the chain drops onto the granny ring. yay! This ended up being
fortunate b/c it was a good bit more climbing before I saw another
spraypainted sign which said 'summit'. Kind of someone to mark it that
way for me.

I keep on up the road, expecting to find some sort of sign or other
radical information conveying device that could tell me how far I am
from chapel hill. I don't manage to find that but I do find  chapel
hill rd (15-501 -  a 4 lane highway with a small but workable
shoulder) I ride up this for a while until I notice that the shoulder
is kindly discontinued after this light. So I turn left onto mann's
chapel road a name which I recognize but not sure I know where it goes
and keep on my merry way.

 I noticed some old markings from some sort of group ride. I decided
that they could only be going to a handful of places so why not follow
them. This, in retrospect, may have been a tactical error. I did find
some lovely roads and places. However, I also found some terribly
original road signs complete with physically impossible distances.
(Turning right onto jones ferry road  off of lathrop-norwood I note
the distance marked as 8 miles to chapel hill, Crossing ferguson rd on
jones ferry road I note the road sign says chapel hill is 9 miles away
despite my having traveled about 3 miles from the last sign in the
DIRECTION of chapel hill.)

But I know jones ferry road well enough to know where I'm going. At
this point my water is not QUITE all gone but food is becoming more
important. My thoughts are turning to what I want to eat in chapel
hill and some of them are inappropriate thoughts about falafel and
hummus pitas. I make it the rest of the way into chapel hill and find
that franklin st is blocked off for some sort of festival. Nice. Easy
to walk no traffic. excellent. Finding Sandwhich.biz closed I mosey to
the mediterranean deli, lock up and order some food.

I sit back down outside after getting a lemonade/ice-tea mix from the
deli and waiting for my food. I drink the lemonade and realize I was a
bit hungrier than I thought b/c it is THE BEST LEMONADE IN THE WORLD!
Okay, maybe not really, but it felt that way.

 I notice a number of 20-somethings stopping and pointing repeatedly
at my bike but they're not laughing and they're not looking malicious
and I'm a bit too tired 

[RBW] Re: My 650B Hilsen build is done

[William]

I'm 5' 10-1/2" and my PBH is 87cm

On Oct 3, 4:27 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Turned out real well.  Nice build choices.
>
> If you do not mind my asking, what is your height and inseam?
>
> On Oct 3, 2:49 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > My stable is pretty much complete for a good long while, now that my
> > 650B go-fast(ish) slot is filled.  I finished up my 650B A Homer
> > Hilsen build.  I'm kind of laid up with a cold so I can't really enjoy
> > it on the road but I can tell immediately the fit is perfecto.
>
> > Build list:
>
> > 58cm A Homer Hilsen (650B)
> > Ultegra Headset
> > Silver brakes/tektro levers
> > 44cm Noodle/Nitto Pearl 11 stem/Newbaums black tape
> > Suntour sprint downtube shifters
> > Campy front der
> > XT rapid rise med cage rear
> > Ritchey Logic 172.5mm crankset. 30/44 rings
> > 11-28 9 speed cassette SRAM chain
> > Synergy 32hole black rims
> > XT rear hub WTB front
> > Nitto Crystal fellow Avocet R40 saddle
> > Hetre Reds
> > King Cage
> > Shimano 747 SPD pedals
>
> > I'll get a Mark's rack for it when they are available so I can run a
> > handlebar bag or a trunksack small.  It's 24lbs on the nose.  I think
> > it looks really dynamite.  I set it up with Hetres to start just to
> > make sure the clearances are all right, but I have Somas and Parimotos
> > also, which will bring the black and blue vibe together even more.
>
> > A few photos on my 
> > flickrhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5048544190/

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Re: [RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Seth Vidal]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Oh, and regarding San aesthetics, a year ago any discussion about fork
> bend would have been utterly lost on me, but the sloping tt on the Sam
> almost kept me from buying one. Now I think the San Marcos' fork is a
> crime on such a nice bike, and the tt hardly bothers me at all. In
> fact, I now prefer the aesthetics of sloping tt + moderate stem
> extension to horizontal tt and 20+ cm of stem showing, fwiw. Though I
> do think that matching the angle of the tt and the stem extension is
> nice.
>
> Grant, any chance you can commission nitto to make a traditional quill
> stem with a 6 degree rise? Oh well, didn't think so...
>


Well -  curiuously enough tange makes a lot of forks. You might want
to look through their website - see if any of them would be the right
fit.

It could overlap nicely. A San Frame + tange fork.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Happy Birthday Milo Mowen!

[John Bennett]

Yea!! One cute kid.

On Oct 3, 2:14 pm, Andrew Letton  wrote:
> Happy First Birthday to Milo, son of Danelle(sp?) and Keven of RBW!
> cheers,
> Andrew

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[RBW] Re: Saluki build decisions

[franklyn]

Nathan,

Of course I was there when you bought the frame. I have used several
pairs of tektro R556 (or silver) extra long reach brakes. Paired with
the right kind of brake pads they are quite effective. For Briana, who
is lightweight, they won't flex as much.

Dia Compe 750 center pull brakes are another good option. They give
you wonderful modulation and good stopping power. They can be gotten
for pretty cheaply on ebay.

I like the new Soma B-line tires on my Kogswell right now. Smooth,
quiet, and corner well. They are wider than the CdlV but narrower than
the Hetres. I will start with those. Hetres are great, but they are
pretty pricy.

Wheels. You can't go wrong with Rich-built wheels, but they cost more.
I have been using wheels built by Handspun. They use Velocity Dyad and
Shimano LX hubs (even have dynamo option).

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=31825&category=3655
http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=35520&category=3655
http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=31826&category=3655

They might not be Rich-good, but they are pretty good. I don't know
how well VO wheels hold up, but they are also cheaper.

I have parts sitting around that might be useful to your build.
Contact me with what you need and I will see what I have.

Best,
franklyn

On Oct 3, 3:40 pm, JL  wrote:
> The Saluki is a tough bike.  Don't worry about the load amounts.
>
> The first thing I would ask is: What does she want?
>
> Building a bike up fro someone else is an interesting endeavor.  That
> person may, or may not, be interested in the same type of build.
>
> Personally, I would just steer clear of CdlV tires.  I have had
> nothing but bad luck and their irregular mounting drives me nuts.
>
> I ride with Hetres or fatty rumpkins on my Saluki.  They both fit fine
> under Berthoud 65mm fenders.  I have a cantilever brake Saluki so that
> might make a little bit of room available width wise. for the fenders.
>
> -Jason
> On Oct 3, 11:16 am, nathan spindel  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yesterday at the RBW garage sale I picked up a 50cm 650B Saluki frame.
> > I'm going to build it up as a road bike / occasional light S24O
> > hauler. The rider will be a lightweight 5'5" lady, so it'll be able to
> > carry a 10-20 lb load just fine.
>
> > I have much of the build planned out (Noodles w/ bar-ends, XD2, B-17,
> > rear rack) but haven't decided on:
>
> >  1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)
> >  2. wheels (Rich-built Synergy 32h 105?)
> >  3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)
>
> > What would you suggest for those components, given the uses above?
> > Thanks for your advice!
>
> > -nathan

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[RBW] Re: Garage Sale

[Tony]

I went on the dirt trail ride up the mountain with Mark and Eric from
Riv and just a few others. If you are familiar with the trails, it was
Wall Point up and Dan Cook down. I had never been on Dan Cook and the
last, singletrack part was swt!
I  found a couple of size medium clothing pieces: an uno pocket-tee I
wore on the ride, MUSA knickers, and a sleeveless cardigan which I
will be able to pull off wearing (style-wise) very soon I am sure.

Manny Acosta has some photos under a separate subject and you can see
everyone waiting for the first traffic signal to change. Point is,
Bike Snob NYC calls it "the indignity of commuting by bicycle"  - all
that steel and we couldn't get the signal to detect us and change!

Here are a few more photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/51959...@n08/sets/72157625083429328/show/

Tony

On Oct 3, 10:53 am, nathan spindel  wrote:
> I also had a wonderful time at the sale, and on the following ride!
> Thanks to RBW and to all the customers for a great day. I was one of
> those lucky few who picked up a frame – I got a beautiful pink 50cm
> Saluki for my lady: . Very excited to build
> it up for her as a road bike / occasional light S24O hauler.
>
> I also got out with 2 Atlantis caps, 2 of the
> aforementioned-crazy-deal-of-the-century Nigel Smythe bags, a
> noodle+stem+brake-lever setup, another Nitto stem and a couple pairs
> of gloves. I rummaged around the wool clothing piles for quite a while
> but my size (M) was not to be found.
>
> The ride up the mountain was a blast. 8 of us, including Grant and
> Keven, took some trails back down the mountain. It was a blast,
> although my RB-1 with 27mm tires () and
> forward position really wasn't meant to ride trails like that… I ended
> up hiking a lot of it. But regardless, tons of fun. Can't wait to try
> those trails again with a fat tired bike.
>
> It was nice to meet new people and a couple list/flickr folks like
> Erik and Manny. Looking forward to riding with y'all in the future.
>
> -nathan
>
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 6:32 PM, reidplum  wrote:
> > Two of the small Saluki frames, after a bit of haggling with John,
> > went for $800 apiece. Nice! Also nice was an almost completly built-up
> > Ramb marked $1500 that after haggling, went for $1200. If that had
> > been in my size, I would have snapped it up in a second. Lots of fun,
> > even though I "only" got a screamin' deal on a Merino wool turtlneck/
> > zip top. Perfect for under a windbreaker or rain jacket.
>
> > Lotsa people there, too. Some of the sections (stuff was grouped by
> > price, $5, $10, $20, etc.) were completly cleaned out. Riv WHQ now has
> > some space in which to start squirreling away stuff for the next
> > garage sale.
>
> > Reid
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Re: [RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[Stonehog]

Stick with eight - cleaner shifting in my experience. Of course seven is better 
yet.

Mobile Brian Hanson

On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Justin August  wrote:

> Hmm...
> I'm also wondering if I gain anything by going 9 speed over 8?
> I know that 10 speed is considered far less durable but what about the
> differences between 8 and 9?
> 
> -Justin
> 
> On Oct 3, 4:54 pm, Powderpiggy  wrote:
>> I am using a 9 speed cassette with the Silvers.   No problems here,
>> and I love them!!!
>> 
>> On Oct 3, 1:49 pm, Garth  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> No worry at all. They'll shift as many cogs as you want. Go ahead and
>>> order them.
>> 
>>> If a friction shifter doesn't hold a gear, it means you don't have it
>>> tightened enough. What makes the SunTour power ratchet so nice is you
>>> get a nice balance between tight enough that it won't lose a gear, but
>>> loose enough that it has a light action.
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[RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[doug peterson]

Justin:

My experience with 8 speed is with the ancient Suntour Bar Cons, & I
have no problems.  I try indexing from time to time but the fussiness,
even with 8, keeps me coming back to friction.  I travel with my
Atlantis so it gets packed & shipped.  It always seems to take a
couple of days on a tour to get the indexing working correctly.

Riv says if you like the old Bar Cons, you'll love the Silvers.  May
give them a try, just for fun.

dougP

On Oct 3, 1:31 pm, Justin August  wrote:
> So it's time to get a new cassette for the Bleriot and I'm in a bit of
> a quandary. Last time I tried friction shifting something was just
> off. It wouldn't hold a gear when I started cranking on the bike going
> up hills or on the flats. Slipping gears drive me bonkers so I dropped
> it and went indexed.
>
> However, I recently moved the 700c wheels from my SOMA Double Cross
> (which the Bleriot replaced) to the Lady's bike. I grabbed an 8 speed
> cassette from Firehouse bikes and she's been shifting with absolutely
> 0 problems with her Suntour power ratchet thumbies.
>
> Since it's time to get a new cassette and I wouldn't mind spending the
> scrilla on some Silvers - should I be worried about friction shifting
> across an 8 speed cassette still? I I would probably roll with an
> 11-28 or 11-30 cassette with 48x36x24 in the front. Last time I was
> using a 9 speed cassette with a single ring up front and I think that
> could have been the problem.
>
> Am I being ridiculous and just order up?
>
> -Justin

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[RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[Forrest]

I don't know why, but I had slippage/ghost-shifting problems using
Silver shifters with a 9-speed cassette. When I switched to 8-speed
cassette, no problems. I prefer the shifting on the 8-speed over the 9
-- less "micro" finicky, and you can get the same range. And I like
the friction shifting on my 7-speed freewheel even better than the 8.

Not sure what I was doing wrong with the 9-speed cassette, but the
only variable in the set-up (that I'm aware of) is the cassette. Glad
to read here that others have success with 9 and even 10.

-- Forrest (Iowa City)

On Oct 3, 7:56 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
> Justin:
>
> My experience with 8 speed is with the ancient Suntour Bar Cons, & I
> have no problems.  I try indexing from time to time but the fussiness,
> even with 8, keeps me coming back to friction.  I travel with my
> Atlantis so it gets packed & shipped.  It always seems to take a
> couple of days on a tour to get the indexing working correctly.
>
> Riv says if you like the old Bar Cons, you'll love the Silvers.  May
> give them a try, just for fun.
>
> dougP
>
> On Oct 3, 1:31 pm, Justin August  wrote:
>
> > So it's time to get a new cassette for the Bleriot and I'm in a bit of
> > a quandary. Last time I tried friction shifting something was just
> > off. It wouldn't hold a gear when I started cranking on the bike going
> > up hills or on the flats. Slipping gears drive me bonkers so I dropped
> > it and went indexed.
>
> > However, I recently moved the 700c wheels from my SOMA Double Cross
> > (which the Bleriot replaced) to the Lady's bike. I grabbed an 8 speed
> > cassette from Firehouse bikes and she's been shifting with absolutely
> > 0 problems with her Suntour power ratchet thumbies.
>
> > Since it's time to get a new cassette and I wouldn't mind spending the
> > scrilla on some Silvers - should I be worried about friction shifting
> > across an 8 speed cassette still? I I would probably roll with an
> > 11-28 or 11-30 cassette with 48x36x24 in the front. Last time I was
> > using a 9 speed cassette with a single ring up front and I think that
> > could have been the problem.
>
> > Am I being ridiculous and just order up?
>
> > -Justin

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[RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[Justin August]

That is exactly the problem I had. Time to place an order!

Next choice: Cassette. Harris Cyclery custom or off the shelf
jobbie

On Oct 3, 9:12 pm, Forrest  wrote:
> I don't know why, but I had slippage/ghost-shifting problems using
> Silver shifters with a 9-speed cassette. When I switched to 8-speed
> cassette, no problems. I prefer the shifting on the 8-speed over the 9
> -- less "micro" finicky, and you can get the same range. And I like
> the friction shifting on my 7-speed freewheel even better than the 8.
>
> Not sure what I was doing wrong with the 9-speed cassette, but the
> only variable in the set-up (that I'm aware of) is the cassette. Glad
> to read here that others have success with 9 and even 10.
>
> -- Forrest (Iowa City)
>
> On Oct 3, 7:56 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Justin:
>
> > My experience with 8 speed is with the ancient Suntour Bar Cons, & I
> > have no problems.  I try indexing from time to time but the fussiness,
> > even with 8, keeps me coming back to friction.  I travel with my
> > Atlantis so it gets packed & shipped.  It always seems to take a
> > couple of days on a tour to get the indexing working correctly.
>
> > Riv says if you like the old Bar Cons, you'll love the Silvers.  May
> > give them a try, just for fun.
>
> > dougP
>
> > On Oct 3, 1:31 pm, Justin August  wrote:
>
> > > So it's time to get a new cassette for the Bleriot and I'm in a bit of
> > > a quandary. Last time I tried friction shifting something was just
> > > off. It wouldn't hold a gear when I started cranking on the bike going
> > > up hills or on the flats. Slipping gears drive me bonkers so I dropped
> > > it and went indexed.
>
> > > However, I recently moved the 700c wheels from my SOMA Double Cross
> > > (which the Bleriot replaced) to the Lady's bike. I grabbed an 8 speed
> > > cassette from Firehouse bikes and she's been shifting with absolutely
> > > 0 problems with her Suntour power ratchet thumbies.
>
> > > Since it's time to get a new cassette and I wouldn't mind spending the
> > > scrilla on some Silvers - should I be worried about friction shifting
> > > across an 8 speed cassette still? I I would probably roll with an
> > > 11-28 or 11-30 cassette with 48x36x24 in the front. Last time I was
> > > using a 9 speed cassette with a single ring up front and I think that
> > > could have been the problem.
>
> > > Am I being ridiculous and just order up?
>
> > > -Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: First Hunqa siting in the wild (of Alameda)

[Ray Shine]

Peter -- It probably was you.  I don't spot those double top tube Rivs very 
often. Actually, you passed in front of us as we pulled up to the 4-way.  I 
thought the downtube read Hunqa, but I don't see as well as I used to.  
Gorgeous 
bike.  If you were not wearing a helmet, it pretty much had to be you.  Keep on 
riding, Peter.  (By the way, I don't live in Alameda, my son and his family do. 
 
we live in SF.  But, I do ride Alameda and the Bay trail a lot  Good biking 
over 
there.)





From: Peter Andrews 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 1:01:55 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: First Hunqa siting in the wild (of Alameda)

Hi Ray,

I'm betting that was me.  I commute to and from work (which is on Bay
Farm Island) Tue - Sat, and I am usually on my way home (to Oakland)
along Fernside around noon-time (if you're up early enough, you'll
catch me going to work ~ 0215 or so (that's what you get when you
deliver fresh bread for a living)).  I'm a bearded fellow, but I ride
a black Bombadil (some would say the predecessor to the Hunqapillar),
double top tube (with a frame pump in between), mustache bars and a
medium basket on front.  Looks like this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/beardedpeter/5033997943/

Hope that link worked.  If that was the bike, that was me.  I
initially built up as a singlespeed:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/beardedpeter/3870914885/

I inevitably desired some gears.  Once I got over the initial
inhibitions of setting up derailleurs for the first time, I finally
built it to its current configuration about a month ago.  Lovin' it.
Give me a shout the next time you see me.

Funny thing, I saw a nice (aren't they always?) Atlantis on the Bay
Farm Bridge the day before, and just this morning spied a uniquely
dark green Saluki on Park St.  AND, I ran into John B. of RBW (on
another fantastic Saluki) while delivering in Berkeley just over a
week ago

Bummed I missed the garage sale and ride too.  My commitment to work
(and the bills I need to pay) sometimes messes with my priorities.

Cheers

Peter

On Oct 2, 5:20 pm, Ray  wrote:
> Spotted my first wild Hunqa today on Fernside Dr. in Alameda. Very
> impressive. Double top tube, M'bars (it appeared) bearded chap on-
> board wearing a riv soft cap. About 1200 -- 1230 hours.  Anyone on
> this list?
>
> I was just retuning from grandson's soccer game when I made the spot.
> It was the mandatory attendance at the game that kept me from shooting
> through the tunnel to Walnut Creek for the RBW garage sale.  Did I
> miss anything?

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[RBW] perennial pants issue

[jim_OLP]

Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for
cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the
circus.  I mean pants, not lycra tights.  And not rain pants, which
tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange.  I
want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't
flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain,
preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle.  I need pockets
too.

Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen.

I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch.  Just too
conspicuous. "Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get
them?"

It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex
tights.

Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without
the 2-tone color scheme?





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[RBW] FS: Riv Cowboy Shirt

[Justin August]

As seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5049570086/

The original red one Size M. Washed once. Just too boxy for my tastes.
I'm a slim-fit kinda lad.

50 shipped sound good?
Or trade for a set of Silver shifters or something else that sounds
nice.

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue

[Justin August]

What about Outlier pants ($$$)? Or perhaps the SWRV all weather
jobbies. I have their knickers and love them. PLUS they're vanity
sized at the waist!

On Oct 3, 9:34 pm, jim_OLP  wrote:
> Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for
> cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the
> circus.  I mean pants, not lycra tights.  And not rain pants, which
> tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange.  I
> want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't
> flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain,
> preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle.  I need pockets
> too.
>
> Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen.
>
> I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch.  Just too
> conspicuous. "Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get
> them?"
>
> It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex
> tights.
>
> Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without
> the 2-tone color scheme?

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[RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[Montclair BobbyB]

I believe friction-shifting a 9 or 10 speed takes unique skills (which
I unfortunately lack).  I am currently running friction shifters on a
7 speed with great success. I had less success with 9 speeds... Once
you go beyond 7 or 8 speeds, it gets more difficult to make precise
shifts.

BB

On Oct 3, 9:26 pm, Justin August  wrote:
> That is exactly the problem I had. Time to place an order!
>
> Next choice: Cassette. Harris Cyclery custom or off the shelf
> jobbie
>
> On Oct 3, 9:12 pm, Forrest  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't know why, but I had slippage/ghost-shifting problems using
> > Silver shifters with a 9-speed cassette. When I switched to 8-speed
> > cassette, no problems. I prefer the shifting on the 8-speed over the 9
> > -- less "micro" finicky, and you can get the same range. And I like
> > the friction shifting on my 7-speed freewheel even better than the 8.
>
> > Not sure what I was doing wrong with the 9-speed cassette, but the
> > only variable in the set-up (that I'm aware of) is the cassette. Glad
> > to read here that others have success with 9 and even 10.
>
> > -- Forrest (Iowa City)
>
> > On Oct 3, 7:56 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
>
> > > Justin:
>
> > > My experience with 8 speed is with the ancient Suntour Bar Cons, & I
> > > have no problems.  I try indexing from time to time but the fussiness,
> > > even with 8, keeps me coming back to friction.  I travel with my
> > > Atlantis so it gets packed & shipped.  It always seems to take a
> > > couple of days on a tour to get the indexing working correctly.
>
> > > Riv says if you like the old Bar Cons, you'll love the Silvers.  May
> > > give them a try, just for fun.
>
> > > dougP
>
> > > On Oct 3, 1:31 pm, Justin August  wrote:
>
> > > > So it's time to get a new cassette for the Bleriot and I'm in a bit of
> > > > a quandary. Last time I tried friction shifting something was just
> > > > off. It wouldn't hold a gear when I started cranking on the bike going
> > > > up hills or on the flats. Slipping gears drive me bonkers so I dropped
> > > > it and went indexed.
>
> > > > However, I recently moved the 700c wheels from my SOMA Double Cross
> > > > (which the Bleriot replaced) to the Lady's bike. I grabbed an 8 speed
> > > > cassette from Firehouse bikes and she's been shifting with absolutely
> > > > 0 problems with her Suntour power ratchet thumbies.
>
> > > > Since it's time to get a new cassette and I wouldn't mind spending the
> > > > scrilla on some Silvers - should I be worried about friction shifting
> > > > across an 8 speed cassette still? I I would probably roll with an
> > > > 11-28 or 11-30 cassette with 48x36x24 in the front. Last time I was
> > > > using a 9 speed cassette with a single ring up front and I think that
> > > > could have been the problem.
>
> > > > Am I being ridiculous and just order up?
>
> > > > -Justin- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: RB1 and sackville Sacks.....

[Montclair BobbyB]

Looks elegant and classy!!  What do YOU think?


On Oct 3, 7:16 pm, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> Great looking bike. I see no problem, except maybe if one is really
> bag-matchy one might want a different color water bottle. But that
> Sackville Sack looks gorgeous.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:54 PM, EastBayGuy  wrote:
> > Just wanted to get a few opinions on putting a medium sackville sack
> > ( with silver hoop) and a barsack on my RB1. My buddies say I am crazy
> > to put this on a true road bike but I beg to differ.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/54527...@n06/
>
> > I a 250 biggin and I want to get some opinions on if I am pushing the
> > limits for this frame. Not loading any crazy weight with it. Just
> > commuting and CC touring.
>
> > Opinions would be great.
>
> > Awsome Garage sale on Saturday BTW...
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[RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[Mike]

I've been using a Sheldon Century Special cassette (13-30) for the
past 2 years and love it. Also, I use Silver shifters. I really don't
miss indexed shifting.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Another supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...

[Mike]

I wear size 11 shoes. I've been trying out different shoe (Vans,
Patagonia Bagley, Teva sandle) and different pedals (MKS sneaker, MKS
touring, GK). All work just fine for rides up to 60 miles or so. I
think part of the problem on this ride was that for the first 45 miles
I was riding at a good clip. And there was the long climb and some
rollers which I tend to ride in the big ring and standing. My feet
started to hurt right where the little traction nubs are on the pedal.
But when I finally took a 15 minute or so break at one of the controls
they felt much better and didn't bother me again.

I have no problem using SPDs I just really like using regular shoes.

I definitely won't be using 700x35 tires again for a brevet unless it
includes lengthy sections of gravel. Jack Brown Greens served me well
this year, I'll either continue to use them or maybe go back to
Paselas (32s) and just watch the sidewalls closely.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: FS Orange Carridice Duxback Poncho

[Phil Bickford]

Sold

On Oct 2, 10:44 pm, Phil Bickford  wrote:
> Orange Carradice Duxback Poncho Super Size Unused
>
> Oiled canvas with hood lined in flannel.  $85 plus shipping
> 110cm long in front, 98cm long in back in orange (no longer available)
>
> Comes in it's own canvas sack.

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[RBW] New Sam in the neighborhood

[Bruce]

My riding pal Joe brought his recent Hillborne to the Sunday afternoon ride 
today and I got my first look at one in the steel. Very nice bike. Picture here:

http://fullylugged.blogspot.com/

He posted last week or so on the build. It's the first rapid rise der I've seen 
also. The cabling looked "wrong" until I realized what it was. Works!



  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 18:12 -0700, Forrest wrote:
> I don't know why, but I had slippage/ghost-shifting problems using
> Silver shifters with a 9-speed cassette. When I switched to 8-speed
> cassette, no problems. I prefer the shifting on the 8-speed over the 9
> -- less "micro" finicky, and you can get the same range. And I like
> the friction shifting on my 7-speed freewheel even better than the 8.
> 
> Not sure what I was doing wrong with the 9-speed cassette, but the
> only variable in the set-up (that I'm aware of) is the cassette. Glad
> to read here that others have success with 9 and even 10.

Don't be so certain you are doing anything wrong.  I couldn't make
friction shifting 8 speed Hyperglide work, but Hyperglide 7 is fine for
me.



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[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue

[Allan in Portland]

One of the local bike shops here in Portland does their own set of
pants. They tweeted recently they are getting close to reorder time,
which probably means they are close to picked-over on sizes, but if
they are in your price range you might want to check them out. They
are a very good shop, very BOB-ish, and I trust when they do something
they do it right.

http://clevercycles.com/2010/04/24/sshhh-introducing-belmont-stealth-pantaloons/

Having said that, I didn't spring for a pair myself and can't
personally attest to their quality. I can say Todd, one of the owners,
has a pair on every time I see him and they are indeed very stealthy.
There is a marked taper to the leg. If you look for it it is
noticeable and you know exactly which pair of pants he's wearing. I
suspect he has a couple pairs. :-)

-Allan

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[RBW] Re: RB1 and sackville Sacks.....

[cm]

My feeling is you are asking for problems, but it will probably be
fine. The rear wheel seems like the bigger concern to me. Whats the
rim, spoke count, hub?

I once did a week long tour with my steel Lemond towing 50-70 lbs with
no problems at all (I weigh about 150 lbs). You do see a lot of old
steel out there touring with full panniers-- and I mean OLD steel.

Great bike, looks great.

Cheers!
cm(

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[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue

[Johnny Alien]

I like to get hiking or rock climbing pants. I just picked up a pair
of these from Dicks where they were on clearance.  Convertible legs in
case it gets hot.  No velcro but fairly tight and a separate velcro
strap should help as well.

http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4237969

On Oct 3, 10:52 pm, Allan in Portland  wrote:
> One of the local bike shops here in Portland does their own set of
> pants. They tweeted recently they are getting close to reorder time,
> which probably means they are close to picked-over on sizes, but if
> they are in your price range you might want to check them out. They
> are a very good shop, very BOB-ish, and I trust when they do something
> they do it right.
>
> http://clevercycles.com/2010/04/24/sshhh-introducing-belmont-stealth-...
>
> Having said that, I didn't spring for a pair myself and can't
> personally attest to their quality. I can say Todd, one of the owners,
> has a pair on every time I see him and they are indeed very stealthy.
> There is a marked taper to the leg. If you look for it it is
> noticeable and you know exactly which pair of pants he's wearing. I
> suspect he has a couple pairs. :-)
>
> -Allan

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[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue

[ejg]

These work well and have a good fit
http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/product/product.asp/imanf/The+North+Face/idesc/Eidolon+Pant+%2D+Men%27s+%2D+Summer+2010/Store/MG/item/218534/N/722

On Oct 3, 9:34 pm, jim_OLP  wrote:
> Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for
> cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the
> circus.  I mean pants, not lycra tights.  And not rain pants, which
> tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange.  I
> want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't
> flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain,
> preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle.  I need pockets
> too.
>
> Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen.
>
> I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch.  Just too
> conspicuous. "Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get
> them?"
>
> It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex
> tights.
>
> Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without
> the 2-tone color scheme?

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[RBW] Re: Garage Sale

[benzzoy]

I got:

* Ten (yes 10) Atlantis caps at $1 each!  Gave one to my 6-YO son and
another to the wife.
* LS Kucharik wool jersey.  Feels nice but "rougher" than Ibex.
* NIB Mr. Whirly crank with Sugino pinned & ramped chainrings.  May
end up as a gift to a friend.
* Super-duper wool baselayer for the wife.  The bribe for letting me
out on a Sat.  Should have gotten some wool T-shirts.
* A couple of 105 cassettes.
* A prototype Nitto handlebar.  Appears to be a lightweight Dream bar
with cable grooves.
* Did I mention I got ten Atlantis caps!?

I seriously resisted the $1000 Atlantis because I really don't need
another bike, especially since I already have an Surly LHT commuter.
I know I'm going to be overcome with paranoia if I rode an Atlantis as
a commuter, so I spent some time trying to convince another chap and
his lady friend (wife?) to buy it instead!  In the end, he succumbed
to the siren call of the Atlantis and happily bought it.  Here's
wishing him and his new Atlantis many pleasant rides!

It was a good event but I didn't go for the non-Riv Riv ride due to
other obligations.  I did see a few familiar faces and had a quick
banter with Mark and Robert.  Hopefully, Rivbike will continue this
"tradition", as it appears that their "trash" is "treasure" for a lot
of us!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Garage Sale

[Seth Vidal]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:13 PM, benzzoy  wrote:
> I got:
>
> * Ten (yes 10) Atlantis caps at $1 each!  Gave one to my 6-YO son and
> another to the wife.
> * LS Kucharik wool jersey.  Feels nice but "rougher" than Ibex.
> * NIB Mr. Whirly crank with Sugino pinned & ramped chainrings.  May
> end up as a gift to a friend.
> * Super-duper wool baselayer for the wife.  The bribe for letting me
> out on a Sat.  Should have gotten some wool T-shirts.
> * A couple of 105 cassettes.
> * A prototype Nitto handlebar.  Appears to be a lightweight Dream bar
> with cable grooves.
> * Did I mention I got ten Atlantis caps!?
>

So a couple of things:
1. do you want to part ways with one of the atlantis caps? I could
probably see my way to doubling or tripling your cost on one of them.
:)


2. $1000 atlantis? Are you frelling kidding me? Please say this was a
really tiny one like a 53cm or something, that would be fine with me.

-sv

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[RBW] Garage Sale - Nigel Smythe Country Bag repair / upgrade

[Reed Kennedy]

One of the more wonderful items available at yesterday's Rivendell garage
sale were Nigel Smythe Country Bags.

Apparently the first run of these bags had the saddle rail straps and
support dowel quite far back, on the flap of the bag rather than the
enclosed body.

As a result of this, the bag hangs slightly oddly, especially when loaded:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/249889284/
(Not my bag or my photo, credit to Gino.)

The fine folks at Rivendell decided this was unacceptable and declined to
release the bags to the public. The official solution was to comission a
second run of bags with the dowel and saddle straps moved forward, off the
flap.

Yesterday at the garage sale folks were given the opportunity to purchase
the original, slightly flawed bags for only $30. Many were available, and I
think nearly every person there left with one.

Most of the folks I spoke to were entirely untroubled by the way the bags
hang, and planned to simply use them. This was originally my intention as
well, but on the way home I remembered that I own some leatherworking
supplies.

So I decided to see what I could do.

In the end, I decided to sew the flap down an extra inch so that the
dowl-and-seat-strap portion would be fully supported:
http://notfine.com/pics/nigel_smythe_country_bag_upgrade/2-in_progress.JPG

It worked pretty well!
http://notfine.com/pics/nigel_smythe_country_bag_upgrade/3-after.JPG
(Compare to Gino's picture above.)

Unless you look very closely, you can hardly tell the bag has been modified:
http://notfine.com/pics/nigel_smythe_country_bag_upgrade/4-close-up-one.JPG
http://notfine.com/pics/nigel_smythe_country_bag_upgrade/5-close-up-two.JPG

The only downside that I can see is that the opening is now slightly
smaller:
http://notfine.com/pics/nigel_smythe_country_bag_upgrade/6-smaller-opening-one.jpg

However, given where it sits relative to my saddle I don't think it could
open much more anyway while on the bike:
http://notfine.com/pics/nigel_smythe_country_bag_upgrade/7-smaller-opening-saddle.JPG

All in all, I'm very happy with this bag and with my modification. Thanks to
the wonderful folks at Rivendell for the generous deals on such lovely
objects, and also for a idyllic ride.

Cheers,
Reed

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Re: [RBW] Sneaker Pedals

[Fai Mao]

That sounds like it is simply loose. Try tightening the pedal into the crank

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Powderpiggy wrote:

> So I am a bike maintenance novicealthough I am committed to
> learning to do it myself.   I have been riding for 25+ years and have
> logged thousands of miles,  but I am embarrassed to say that the most
> I have ever done to my bike is change the tires/tubes/rim tape, clean
> the chain, replace the chain (though that didn't work out very well
> for me) and lube the chain.  Everything else I have left to the
> professionals.
>
> But I am turning over a new leaf and intend to figure it out.   Which
> brings me to my sneaker pedals.   They are very new (i.e. less than
> 300 miles).  But on a trip through the B.C's Gulf Islands last month,
> I rode through three days of continuous rain.  I live in a dry climate
> and am also a newbie at crappy weather.
>
> After that trip, every-time I ride the left sneaker pedal had
> developed a super annoying clicking noise, and the more pressure I put
> on the pedal the more it clicks (probably twice a revolution).   I am
> thinking that maybe dirt/grime/whatever got in during the rain.  Not
> sure what to do about this, can I take it apart and lubricate? Can you
> tell me how?
>
> Keely
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[RBW] How to Ship Wooden Fenders [or any fenders]

[mdionysos]

Woody's Fenders shipped his compound curve wooden fenders of exotic
woods [for 50C a'tired Atlantis] in the largest US Post Office
Priority Mail box. He did not use packing stuffing material but clear
packing taped down the pre-attached fender stainless steel stays to
the bottom of the cardboard box so fenders did not shift around
[wouldn't recommend you tape down any chromoplastic or wooden fenders
themselves as you may leave residual tape on fenders]. The 700C wooden
fenders - that are longer then 26" fenders - fit in the largest
Priority Mail box fine [you can measure first to be sure] and only
needed taping down to the bottom of the box. Another alternative with
stays unattached is to stuff box with paper.
Dion
SF East Bay

Atlantis
Long Haul Trucker
Big Dummy [does not fit in USPS Priority Mail box]
Legolas

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[RBW] Rolodex Cyco-Active Map Cases Tip

[mdionysos]

I might be the brunt of jokes for this tip as I have four [4] [iv]
Crane Japanese brass bells on my Atlantis Nitto stem.
[Once when I was on the SF Bay Area BART commuter train a passenger
asked why I had so many bells on my bike and I answered: "too many
prize fights"].

For long distance touring or for traveling through multiple public
land jurisdictions with different maps you can Velcro two map cases
[or more if you want one for each bell] - you can place/layer two Cyco-
Active Map Cases on your handlebars which gives you access to four
maps with a flip of the leaves without needing to rummage around for
more maps when you reach new territory on your day ride or multi-day
tour or brevet.
http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/cyco-active-map-case/20-058
Maybe in my 'case' they should be called Hyper-Active' or 'Psycho-
Active' Map Cases.
Dion
SF East Bay

Atlantis
Long Haul Trucker
Big Dummy [Holds 13,402 Cyco-Active Map Cases - Keven can you place a
special order?]
Legolas

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[RBW] Re: Another supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...

[charlie]

I have used the MKS touring pedal with my Tevas and found I sometimes
got sore spots after 30 miles or so. I switched to Crank Brothers
50/50's and some off brand magnesium sealed bearing BMX pedals with an
equally larger platform and I don't get sore feet anymore. I also ride
with my New balance outdoor walking/hiking shoes, Redwing boots and my
rubber "duck boots" here in rainy Washington state. A larger surface
area always results in less psi on the feet. I can see though that
hard climbing or mashing the big ring could cause a hot spot.
Sometimes we have to just get off the bike and rest a little.
Bicycling isn't a natural activity after all..but it is fun.

On Oct 3, 7:00 pm, Mike  wrote:
> I wear size 11 shoes. I've been trying out different shoe (Vans,
> Patagonia Bagley, Teva sandle) and different pedals (MKS sneaker, MKS
> touring, GK). All work just fine for rides up to 60 miles or so. I
> think part of the problem on this ride was that for the first 45 miles
> I was riding at a good clip. And there was the long climb and some
> rollers which I tend to ride in the big ring and standing. My feet
> started to hurt right where the little traction nubs are on the pedal.
> But when I finally took a 15 minute or so break at one of the controls
> they felt much better and didn't bother me again.
>
> I have no problem using SPDs I just really like using regular shoes.
>
> I definitely won't be using 700x35 tires again for a brevet unless it
> includes lengthy sections of gravel. Jack Brown Greens served me well
> this year, I'll either continue to use them or maybe go back to
> Paselas (32s) and just watch the sidewalls closely.
>
> --mike

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Re: [RBW] Garage Sale - Nigel Smythe Country Bag repair / upgrade

[Seth Vidal]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Reed Kennedy  wrote:
> One of the more wonderful items available at yesterday's Rivendell garage
> sale were Nigel Smythe Country Bags.
> Apparently the first run of these bags had the saddle rail straps and
> support dowel quite far back, on the flap of the bag rather than the
> enclosed body.
> As a result of this, the bag hangs slightly oddly, especially when loaded:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/249889284/
> (Not my bag or my photo, credit to Gino.)
> The fine folks at Rivendell decided this was unacceptable and declined to
> release the bags to the public. The official solution was to comission a
> second run of bags with the dowel and saddle straps moved forward, off the
> flap.
> Yesterday at the garage sale folks were given the opportunity to purchase
> the original, slightly flawed bags for only $30. Many were available, and I
> think nearly every person there left with one.
> Most of the folks I spoke to were entirely untroubled by the way the bags
> hang, and planned to simply use them. This was originally my intention as
> well, but on the way home I remembered that I own some leatherworking
> supplies.
> So I decided to see what I could do.
> In the end, I decided to sew the flap down an extra inch so that the
> dowl-and-seat-strap portion would be fully supported:
> http://notfine.com/pics/nigel_smythe_country_bag_upgrade/2-in_progress.JPG
> It worked pretty well!
> http://notfine.com/pics/nigel_smythe_country_bag_upgrade/3-after.JPG
> (Compare to Gino's picture above.)
> Unless you look very closely, you can hardly tell the bag has been modified:
> http://notfine.com/pics/nigel_smythe_country_bag_upgrade/4-close-up-one.JPG
> http://notfine.com/pics/nigel_smythe_country_bag_upgrade/5-close-up-two.JPG
> The only downside that I can see is that the opening is now slightly
> smaller:
> http://notfine.com/pics/nigel_smythe_country_bag_upgrade/6-smaller-opening-one.jpg
> However, given where it sits relative to my saddle I don't think it could
> open much more anyway while on the bike:
> http://notfine.com/pics/nigel_smythe_country_bag_upgrade/7-smaller-opening-saddle.JPG
> All in all, I'm very happy with this bag and with my modification. Thanks to
> the wonderful folks at Rivendell for the generous deals on such lovely
> objects, and also for a idyllic ride.
> Cheers,
> Reed
>

Wow, well done - that's a fantastic and beautiful fix.

The bag looks great.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Happy Birthday Milo Mowen!

[CycloFiend]

on 10/3/10 2:14 PM, Andrew Letton at let...@flash.net wrote:

> Happy First Birthday to Milo, son of Danelle(sp?) and Keven of RBW!
> cheers,

Indeed!  Happy Birthday!

Wow...they grow up so fast

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: My 650B Hilsen build is done

[rb]

That is stunning.  I didn't realize that the frames were for 650b in
the larger sizes...I"m looking to upgrade my 59cm Kog frame...I'll 2nd
that question re yr size and fit?

On Oct 3, 3:49 pm, William  wrote:
> My stable is pretty much complete for a good long while, now that my
> 650B go-fast(ish) slot is filled.  I finished up my 650B A Homer
> Hilsen build.  I'm kind of laid up with a cold so I can't really enjoy
> it on the road but I can tell immediately the fit is perfecto.
>
> Build list:
>
> 58cm A Homer Hilsen (650B)
> Ultegra Headset
> Silver brakes/tektro levers
> 44cm Noodle/Nitto Pearl 11 stem/Newbaums black tape
> Suntour sprint downtube shifters
> Campy front der
> XT rapid rise med cage rear
> Ritchey Logic 172.5mm crankset. 30/44 rings
> 11-28 9 speed cassette SRAM chain
> Synergy 32hole black rims
> XT rear hub WTB front
> Nitto Crystal fellow Avocet R40 saddle
> Hetre Reds
> King Cage
> Shimano 747 SPD pedals
>
> I'll get a Mark's rack for it when they are available so I can run a
> handlebar bag or a trunksack small.  It's 24lbs on the nose.  I think
> it looks really dynamite.  I set it up with Hetres to start just to
> make sure the clearances are all right, but I have Somas and Parimotos
> also, which will bring the black and blue vibe together even more.
>
> A few photos on my flickrhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5048544190/

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[RBW] Re: Saluki build decisions

[rb]

For a light person, get light tires!  You also might want to consider
the 32mm Grand Bois Cypres tires which are fast and long lasting.  Col
de Vie sucks a bit of life out of a lively bike; great for lots of off
roading and winter, but less so on the road.  The Cypres offer more
than enough cush for a lighter person + the speed factor is really
great.

On Oct 3, 6:40 pm, JL  wrote:
> The Saluki is a tough bike.  Don't worry about the load amounts.
>
> The first thing I would ask is: What does she want?
>
> Building a bike up fro someone else is an interesting endeavor.  That
> person may, or may not, be interested in the same type of build.
>
> Personally, I would just steer clear of CdlV tires.  I have had
> nothing but bad luck and their irregular mounting drives me nuts.
>
> I ride with Hetres or fatty rumpkins on my Saluki.  They both fit fine
> under Berthoud 65mm fenders.  I have a cantilever brake Saluki so that
> might make a little bit of room available width wise. for the fenders.
>
> -Jason
> On Oct 3, 11:16 am, nathan spindel  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yesterday at the RBW garage sale I picked up a 50cm 650B Saluki frame.
> > I'm going to build it up as a road bike / occasional light S24O
> > hauler. The rider will be a lightweight 5'5" lady, so it'll be able to
> > carry a 10-20 lb load just fine.
>
> > I have much of the build planned out (Noodles w/ bar-ends, XD2, B-17,
> > rear rack) but haven't decided on:
>
> >  1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)
> >  2. wheels (Rich-built Synergy 32h 105?)
> >  3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)
>
> > What would you suggest for those components, given the uses above?
> > Thanks for your advice!
>
> > -nathan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki build decisions

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:52 -0700, Calm54 wrote:
> I have the Pari-motos on my Saluki 650b.  I have had two flats over
> 900 miles.  The rear tire is now without tread but I really like these
> tires.  They are light and fast and good for pavement and gravel.  I
> just bought replacement Pari motos from Riv HQ.

We've been discussing Pari Motos over on the 650B list.  I just replaced
my back tire at 1650 miles.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 15:10 -0700, Justin August wrote:
> Hmm...
> I'm also wondering if I gain anything by going 9 speed over 8?

Sure: you gain an extra in-between gear or two.  You also gain a wider
range of available stock cassettes, since the ranks have been severely
thinned in 8-speed in the past year.


> I know that 10 speed is considered far less durable but what about the
> differences between 8 and 9?


I haven't noticed 9 being materially less durable than 8.

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Re: [RBW] perennial pants issue

[Horace]

http://www.rapha.cc/rapha-trousers


On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:34 PM, jim_OLP  wrote:

> Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for
> cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the
> circus.  I mean pants, not lycra tights.  And not rain pants, which
> tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange.  I
> want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't
> flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain,
> preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle.  I need pockets
> too.
>
> Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen.
>
> I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch.  Just too
> conspicuous. "Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get
> them?"
>
> It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex
> tights.
>
> Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without
> the 2-tone color scheme?
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Good bike to ride, after a war.

[Ian Dickson]

Some photos of my 54cm Hunqapillar, taken today:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54529...@n07/sets/72157624965806797/with/5049297963/

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[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue

[Aaron Thomas]

I recently came across this company's website: http://pistard.cc

I have not tried any of their products yet, so cannot comment on how
well made they are. But they do have an understated, stylish look.
Some might even say their stuff is Rapha-esque...

On Oct 3, 8:33 pm, Horace  wrote:
> http://www.rapha.cc/rapha-trousers
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:34 PM, jim_OLP  wrote:
> > Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for
> > cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the
> > circus.  I mean pants, not lycra tights.  And not rain pants, which
> > tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange.  I
> > want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't
> > flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain,
> > preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle.  I need pockets
> > too.
>
> > Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen.
>
> > I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch.  Just too
> > conspicuous. "Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get
> > them?"
>
> > It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex
> > tights.
>
> > Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without
> > the 2-tone color scheme?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki build decisions

[nathan spindel]

Thanks all for the advice so far!

Those Handspun wheels (Dyad, Deore LX) seem like a good deal at $260
shipped, but I'm wondering how they compare to RBW's $200 Budget
Synergy Wheelset (Synergy, Deore) which Rich goes over a bit. Since
I'm a local I won't have to pay shipping on the wheels from RBW. Now
I'm leaning in that direction…

Cypres, B-Line, Pari Moto, and Hetre all sound like good ways to go –
thankfully there are so many nice options in 650B.

-nathan

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 4:53 PM, franklyn  wrote:
> Nathan,
>
> Of course I was there when you bought the frame. I have used several
> pairs of tektro R556 (or silver) extra long reach brakes. Paired with
> the right kind of brake pads they are quite effective. For Briana, who
> is lightweight, they won't flex as much.
>
> Dia Compe 750 center pull brakes are another good option. They give
> you wonderful modulation and good stopping power. They can be gotten
> for pretty cheaply on ebay.
>
> I like the new Soma B-line tires on my Kogswell right now. Smooth,
> quiet, and corner well. They are wider than the CdlV but narrower than
> the Hetres. I will start with those. Hetres are great, but they are
> pretty pricy.
>
> Wheels. You can't go wrong with Rich-built wheels, but they cost more.
> I have been using wheels built by Handspun. They use Velocity Dyad and
> Shimano LX hubs (even have dynamo option).
>
> http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=31825&category=3655
> http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=35520&category=3655
> http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=31826&category=3655
>
> They might not be Rich-good, but they are pretty good. I don't know
> how well VO wheels hold up, but they are also cheaper.
>
> I have parts sitting around that might be useful to your build.
> Contact me with what you need and I will see what I have.
>
> Best,
> franklyn
>
> On Oct 3, 3:40 pm, JL  wrote:
>> The Saluki is a tough bike.  Don't worry about the load amounts.
>>
>> The first thing I would ask is: What does she want?
>>
>> Building a bike up fro someone else is an interesting endeavor.  That
>> person may, or may not, be interested in the same type of build.
>>
>> Personally, I would just steer clear of CdlV tires.  I have had
>> nothing but bad luck and their irregular mounting drives me nuts.
>>
>> I ride with Hetres or fatty rumpkins on my Saluki.  They both fit fine
>> under Berthoud 65mm fenders.  I have a cantilever brake Saluki so that
>> might make a little bit of room available width wise. for the fenders.
>>
>> -Jason
>> On Oct 3, 11:16 am, nathan spindel  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Yesterday at the RBW garage sale I picked up a 50cm 650B Saluki frame.
>> > I'm going to build it up as a road bike / occasional light S24O
>> > hauler. The rider will be a lightweight 5'5" lady, so it'll be able to
>> > carry a 10-20 lb load just fine.
>>
>> > I have much of the build planned out (Noodles w/ bar-ends, XD2, B-17,
>> > rear rack) but haven't decided on:
>>
>> >  1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)
>> >  2. wheels (Rich-built Synergy 32h 105?)
>> >  3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)
>>
>> > What would you suggest for those components, given the uses above?
>> > Thanks for your advice!
>>
>> > -nathan
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[RBW] Re: Good bike to ride, after a war.

[Mike]

Very nice. Looking forward to more pictures of the bike and where you
go with it.

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On Oct 3, 8:35 pm, Ian Dickson  wrote:
> Some photos of my 54cm Hunqapillar, taken today:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/54529...@n07/sets/72157624965806797/with...

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Re: [RBW] Good bike to ride, after a war.

[Rob Harrison]

Very nice! 

Rob in Seattle


On Oct 3, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Ian Dickson wrote:

> Some photos of my 54cm Hunqapillar, taken today:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/54529...@n07/sets/72157624965806797/with/5049297963/

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[RBW] Re: Sneaker Pedals

[Philip Williamson]

Buy some grease. Get into the pedal and put a lot of grease on the
bearings. Put it back together. There's a little bit of a learning
curve on 'how tight is too tight,' but if you go 'hey, that's too
tight,' just back it off a bit.

Fai Mao is correct, though - clicking usually indicates looseness.
Squeeking is a sign of no lubrication. Do both -tighten up the pedals
and grease them. You might make sure the cranks are on tight, too.

Greasing the pedals usually takes a small socket wrench, and maybe a
screwdriver to pop off a dustcap.
Tightening them takes either a pedal wrench or a hex wrench, depending
on the design.
Tightening the cranks might take a socket (14mm?) or a hex wrench
(large), again, depending on the design.

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com


On Oct 3, 12:55 pm, Powderpiggy  wrote:
> So I am a bike maintenance novicealthough I am committed to
> learning to do it myself.   I have been riding for 25+ years and have
> logged thousands of miles,  but I am embarrassed to say that the most
> I have ever done to my bike is change the tires/tubes/rim tape, clean
> the chain, replace the chain (though that didn't work out very well
> for me) and lube the chain.  Everything else I have left to the
> professionals.
>
> But I am turning over a new leaf and intend to figure it out.   Which
> brings me to my sneaker pedals.   They are very new (i.e. less than
> 300 miles).  But on a trip through the B.C's Gulf Islands last month,
> I rode through three days of continuous rain.  I live in a dry climate
> and am also a newbie at crappy weather.
>
> After that trip, every-time I ride the left sneaker pedal had
> developed a super annoying clicking noise, and the more pressure I put
> on the pedal the more it clicks (probably twice a revolution).   I am
> thinking that maybe dirt/grime/whatever got in during the rain.  Not
> sure what to do about this, can I take it apart and lubricate? Can you
> tell me how?
>
> Keely

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[RBW] Re: My 650B Hilsen build is done

[Michael_S]

Bill, nice job on the Hilsen!  I know you like black components more
than most on this site, but it does all seem to work aesthetically.

Most important questions are... how does it ride and how do you like
the Hetres?

~Mike~

On Oct 3, 4:39 pm, rb  wrote:
> That is stunning.  I didn't realize that the frames were for 650b in
> the larger sizes...I"m looking to upgrade my 59cm Kog frame...I'll 2nd
> that question re yr size and fit?
>
> On Oct 3, 3:49 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > My stable is pretty much complete for a good long while, now that my
> > 650B go-fast(ish) slot is filled.  I finished up my 650B A Homer
> > Hilsen build.  I'm kind of laid up with a cold so I can't really enjoy
> > it on the road but I can tell immediately the fit is perfecto.
>
> > Build list:
>
> > 58cm A Homer Hilsen (650B)
> > Ultegra Headset
> > Silver brakes/tektro levers
> > 44cm Noodle/Nitto Pearl 11 stem/Newbaums black tape
> > Suntour sprint downtube shifters
> > Campy front der
> > XT rapid rise med cage rear
> > Ritchey Logic 172.5mm crankset. 30/44 rings
> > 11-28 9 speed cassette SRAM chain
> > Synergy 32hole black rims
> > XT rear hub WTB front
> > Nitto Crystal fellow Avocet R40 saddle
> > Hetre Reds
> > King Cage
> > Shimano 747 SPD pedals
>
> > I'll get a Mark's rack for it when they are available so I can run a
> > handlebar bag or a trunksack small.  It's 24lbs on the nose.  I think
> > it looks really dynamite.  I set it up with Hetres to start just to
> > make sure the clearances are all right, but I have Somas and Parimotos
> > also, which will bring the black and blue vibe together even more.
>
> > A few photos on my 
> > flickrhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5048544190/- Hide quoted 
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[RBW] Re: Back to the Friction

[doug peterson]

Justin:

Cassette selection will depend on your kind of riding.  You mentiona
48 tooth big ring.  An 11 small cog won't see much use.  48 x 13 is a
useful top gear, and you can get decent spacing and a nice low with
that as a starting point.  Harris' customs are around $60.  A cheap
option is 12-32 from Nashbar / Performance but the 12 is kinda
useless.  I've tried the cheapies and they seem to wear more quickly
but I think they're under $20.

dougP

On Oct 3, 6:26 pm, Justin August  wrote:
> That is exactly the problem I had. Time to place an order!
>
> Next choice: Cassette. Harris Cyclery custom or off the shelf
> jobbie
>
> On Oct 3, 9:12 pm, Forrest  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't know why, but I had slippage/ghost-shifting problems using
> > Silver shifters with a 9-speed cassette. When I switched to 8-speed
> > cassette, no problems. I prefer the shifting on the 8-speed over the 9
> > -- less "micro" finicky, and you can get the same range. And I like
> > the friction shifting on my 7-speed freewheel even better than the 8.
>
> > Not sure what I was doing wrong with the 9-speed cassette, but the
> > only variable in the set-up (that I'm aware of) is the cassette. Glad
> > to read here that others have success with 9 and even 10.
>
> > -- Forrest (Iowa City)
>
> > On Oct 3, 7:56 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
>
> > > Justin:
>
> > > My experience with 8 speed is with the ancient Suntour Bar Cons, & I
> > > have no problems.  I try indexing from time to time but the fussiness,
> > > even with 8, keeps me coming back to friction.  I travel with my
> > > Atlantis so it gets packed & shipped.  It always seems to take a
> > > couple of days on a tour to get the indexing working correctly.
>
> > > Riv says if you like the old Bar Cons, you'll love the Silvers.  May
> > > give them a try, just for fun.
>
> > > dougP
>
> > > On Oct 3, 1:31 pm, Justin August  wrote:
>
> > > > So it's time to get a new cassette for the Bleriot and I'm in a bit of
> > > > a quandary. Last time I tried friction shifting something was just
> > > > off. It wouldn't hold a gear when I started cranking on the bike going
> > > > up hills or on the flats. Slipping gears drive me bonkers so I dropped
> > > > it and went indexed.
>
> > > > However, I recently moved the 700c wheels from my SOMA Double Cross
> > > > (which the Bleriot replaced) to the Lady's bike. I grabbed an 8 speed
> > > > cassette from Firehouse bikes and she's been shifting with absolutely
> > > > 0 problems with her Suntour power ratchet thumbies.
>
> > > > Since it's time to get a new cassette and I wouldn't mind spending the
> > > > scrilla on some Silvers - should I be worried about friction shifting
> > > > across an 8 speed cassette still? I I would probably roll with an
> > > > 11-28 or 11-30 cassette with 48x36x24 in the front. Last time I was
> > > > using a 9 speed cassette with a single ring up front and I think that
> > > > could have been the problem.
>
> > > > Am I being ridiculous and just order up?
>
> > > > -Justin- Hide quoted text -
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