[RBW] Re: Archival Musette

[Harry]

Rene here is a link to Lesi's flickr page where I first saw the bag:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/sets/72157622849480445/

Harry

On Dec 29, 7:08 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> How do you order them? I couldn't find a link on their website...
>
> René

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RE: [RBW] Re: Silver Quickbeam bar tape

[Frederick, Steve]

Yeah, I don't know if that blue will look right--have to wait til I see the 
frame in person I think...

...I found out that Fizik does a couple of shades of brown, too--honey and 
antique!  Only available direct from Italy, though.  I took a chance and 
ordered the honey for my Saluki.

Click on the bartape dropdown menu to see the colors...

http://www.fizik.com/shop_products.aspx?cat=bartape  


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Subject: [RBW] Re: Silver Quickbeam bar tape
 
On Dec 27, 6:45 pm, "Frederick, Steve" 
wrote:
>  I'm a fan of Fizik's Microtex bar tape and their blue looks as though it 
> might be close.

> http://www.fizik.it/catalog_accessories.aspx?subid=bar_tape_microtex_...

I'm a fan of the microtex too, and have the "metal blue" variety on my
650b fixed gear, coincidentally.  it's kind of a flashy, bold blue - i
really dig it, but it's a very different look than cloth/shellac.

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[RBW] Re: Went for A bikeride and a snowstorm broke out

[Angus]

Rob,

I was able to take a snow ride while visiting family in St. Louis for
Christmas.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/4227507277/

A bit of slipping and sliding on the icey bits, but it certainly makes
for a nice change.

Angus


On Dec 29, 10:33 pm, rob markwardt  wrote:
> Hi,
>     Visiting inlaws in Portland for a couple days so that means I get
> to bring a bike.  Brought the Bleriot and took off this afternoon to
> ride for a few hours.  Stated off a little cold but not bad.  Afterr
> about an hour the flakes started to come down.  Rode for another half
> hour an I wa in the middle of a full- blown snow storm.   Very fun
> riding but At this point I was a long way from home and had to figure
> out the best route home.  Not easy...despite it's reputation as a
> biking paradise, and it is a great place to ride, but let's just sAy
> there are LOT of hills.  I headed downtown then up Terwiliger (a
> beautiful road).  Was really getting thick at this point but I still
> had to get to home base in Lake Oswego...this meant climbing over an
> exticf volcano (now suburb).  It was granny gear and sidewalks at this
> point though traffic really started to thin out here... Nobody could
> make it up the hill.  Had a nice downhill ride and thankfully made it
> home before dark.  Bleriot did great but I could have used some wider
> fenders. Will post pics once I figure out how to upload from Iphone.
> Hoping to go for a ride again tomorrow but not too hopeful.
>
> Rob Markwardt
>
> PS... Apologies for typos but I'm getting used to the little keyboard.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New favorite tire

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:28 -0800, James Warren wrote:
> If Rivendell were to send a Roadeo with Jack Browns to a magazine for a test 
> ride, I'd be extremely curious to see what the reviewer says.
> 

Depending on which magazine we're talking about -- I'm confident any
review of the Roadeo in Bicycling will be certain to include the phrase
"weight penalty"...



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Re: [RBW] Re: New favorite tire

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 21:47 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> But how do the GBs compare to Paselas (for example) or other 28s? Are
> they more supple? To Don and other users.

For one thing, the Pasela tread is roughly twice as thick.  That alone
has major consequences for wear, puncture resistance and rolling
resistance.



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Re: [RBW] Archival Musette

[Rene Sterental]

Thanks!

On 12/30/09, Harry  wrote:
> Rene here is a link to Lesi's flickr page where I first saw the bag:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/sets/72157622849480445/
>
> Harry
>
> On Dec 29, 7:08 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
>> How do you order them? I couldn't find a link on their website...
>>
>> René
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[RBW] Re: Arkel Mounting System work with Nitto Big Back Rack?

[Forrest]

I have some newer Arkel panniers (T-42?) that I use on a Nitto large
rear rack, but I actually installed Arkel's previous-generation
mounting hardware (without the cams) on the bags. Arkel will sell you
a set of the older (NOS) mounting hardware, or at least they did to me
a year or so ago. Can't remember cost, but I don't think it was
outrageous. This could be a way to go if you really want to keep the
Nitto rack.  -- Forrest

On Dec 30, 12:13 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> Nitto/Arkel isn't the most compatible rack/pannier system in the world
> because the little corner triangle braces on the rack interfere with
> the cams on the Arkel hooks. I saw a picture of Arkel panniers on the
> Nitto rack recently, but it looked like the cam-locks were installed
> backwards.
>
> My advice if you are set on Arkel (and don't already have the Nitto)
> is to go with a Tubus or Surly rack.
>
> On Dec 29, 8:26 pm, Mark  wrote:
>
> > Are any of you using Arkel panniers with the NItto Big Back Rack? Any
> > problems?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Mark

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[RBW] Re: Arkel Mounting System work with Nitto Big Back Rack?

[MichaelH]

I have been using an Arkel Shopping Bag and the Nitto rack together
for many years.  No problem.  I also use the Carradice Commuter bag
occasionaly and find it works, but is a little awkward.  I really like
both the Nitto rack and Arkel bags.  Good to know that you can still
get the previous mounting hardware.  I wonder why they changed it,
since it works great and is easy to set up and take on and off the
bike.
Michael

On Dec 29, 9:26 pm, Mark  wrote:
> Are any of you using Arkel panniers with the NItto Big Back Rack? Any
> problems?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark

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Re: [RBW] Re: New favorite tire

[PATRICK MOORE]

Originally an upper middle class '70s 10 speed. I bought the frame to build
as a fixed gear errand beater, but the bike has suffered from upgrade-itis,
as you can tell.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:42 PM, dpco  wrote:

> patrick,
> i am curious about your motobecane. did that bike have a rear der.
> originally? or, was that a 3-speed?
>
> don c.
>
> On Dec 29, 9:17 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know, as I am somewhat familiar
> with
> > the Paselas:  that the GBs is a quality, fast tire that would improve
> ride
> > quality and, one hopes, even my speed.
> >
> > Does anyone else want to comment on the GBs?
> >
> > My Motobecane beater is going to turn into one darn nice bike. Photo
> here:
> >
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#54188256600146...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:57 PM, dpco 
> wrote:
> > > patrick,
> > > i have never tried paselas, but reading their description, it seems
> > > that paselas are more of a tough,durable tire. the grand bois is
> > > really a 28c version of a really supple racing tire. the two tires are
> > > designed with different goals. the pasela is tougher, the grand bois
> > > is lighter and rolls better. if i were doing those awesome so-cal
> > > offroad rides, the pasela is my choice. if i am riding in the "gold
> > > country foothills" of northern calif. on marginal pavement, i will
> > > take my grand bois.
> > > don c.
> >
> > > On Dec 29, 8:47 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > > > But how do the GBs compare to Paselas (for example) or other 28s? Are
> > > they
> > > > more supple? To Don and other users.
> >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:35 PM, dpco 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > patrick,
> > > > > another thing to consider is rim width. wider rims allow for lower
> > > > > pressures. HED has some new wheelsets that have wider rims and you
> run
> > > > > 23c tires at 85-90lbs. i have velocity aeroheads and they are
> relative
> > > > > narrow. the old apples to oranges problem. i did experiment with a
> > > > > wider set of velocity rims with grand bois 700x30 tires and did
> like
> > > > > them. they felt like mud compared to my 28c setup. everybody is
> > > > > different. bottom line for me, talking to grant p. enlightened me
> to a
> > > > > new outlook on cycling and in a very positive way.
> > > > > don c.
> >
> > > > > On Dec 29, 8:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:06 PM, dpco <
> dcompton1...@sbcglobal.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > i have been using grand bois 700X28 tires for a couple of years.
> >
> > > > > > How do these compare with the Paselas? I'm mostly familiar with
> the
> > > > > 559X32
> > > > > > mm Paselas, which I didn't find hugely fast or comfortable;
> certainly
> > > not
> > > > > as
> > > > > > supple as the, alas, much skinnier 559X1 Turbos. But the Paselas
> felt
> > > to
> > > > > me
> > > > > > like a utility tire. If the GBs are more supple than the Paselas,
> > > and,
> > > > > #2,
> > > > > > if they are reasonably durable, I'd be interested in putting the
> GB
> > > 28s
> > > > > on
> > > > > > the Motobecane -- for me, true 28 mm is quite fat and just what I
> > > want
> > > > > for
> > > > > > rough pavement, firm dirt and load carrying.
> >
> > > > > > > [...]. i weigh 170 and pump up the fronts 75lbs. and the rears
> > > 85lbs. i
> > > > > > > even tried lower and have never had a pinch flat. for me, those
> > > > > pressures
> > > > > > > seem to be the best combo.
> >
> > > > > > That seems high to me. I'm 170 too and I run my 29 mm actual (on
> the
> > > new
> > > > > > Alex DH19 rims; 30 mm labeled) IRC Tandems at 70/80, even with
> heavy
> > > rear
> > > > > > loads, and that feels rough over bumps -- I just rode home on the
> > > > > Motobecane
> > > > > > after pumping up the front, with very slow leak, to 70, and the
> bike
> > > > > jarred
> > > > > > over expansion bumps. Light 531 frame, with long stays, too. What
> do
> > > the
> > > > > > rest of you use for 700c X 28 mm tires?
> >
> > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Patrick Moore
> > > > > > Albuquerque, NM
> > > > > > For professional resumes, contact
> > > > > > Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com
> > > > > > (505) 227-0523
> >
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[RBW] Re: Arkel Mounting System work with Nitto Big Back Rack?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

One reason they changed the hook system was that the center wingnut on
the old hook kit had the potential to scrape the finish off the rack.
A lot of people didn't like the idea of scrapes on an expensive rack.
Personally, I see racks as workhorse equipment - if used properly they
should get singed up a bit!

On Dec 30, 8:41 am, MichaelH  wrote:
> I have been using an Arkel Shopping Bag and the Nitto rack together
> for many years.  No problem.  I also use the Carradice Commuter bag
> occasionaly and find it works, but is a little awkward.  I really like
> both the Nitto rack and Arkel bags.  Good to know that you can still
> get the previous mounting hardware.  I wonder why they changed it,
> since it works great and is easy to set up and take on and off the
> bike.
> Michael
>
> On Dec 29, 9:26 pm, Mark  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Are any of you using Arkel panniers with the NItto Big Back Rack? Any
> > problems?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Mark

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[RBW] Re: Went for A bikeride and a snowstorm broke out

[Patrick in VT]

Vermont *finally* got some snow too  i was starting to get a
little jealous.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267...@n02/

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[RBW] California & Steel Bike Uber Alles Mt Tam Ride

[Esteban]

Franklyn, who used to have a Romulus and now has an Ebisu and
Kogswell, led Lee (Ebisu), Aaron (Romulus), Erik (Bleriot), and myself
(Romulus) on a great ride up from the Mission in San Francisco up Mt.
Tam, over to the Alpine Dam, through Fairfax and back as a great way
to end 2009.

On a stop at The Station in Mill Valley, we saw a fellow on a nice
orange Rambouillet with tweed bags, looking to find his way up the
Railroad Grade.  It was Jim Warren from the list. He joined us and we
all had a great time.

Three of us were So Cal Riv Riders (with family in the Bay Area), and
three Bay Area folks.  Despite the territorial tension (re: In Smog
and Thunder: http://www.insmogandthunder.com/trailer-play.html) we had
a great time!

Here are some photos:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157623101143324/

I BARTed back to the East Bay in time to see the Riv staff trying to
make their way across Main St Walnut Creek in time to catch the SF-
bound train, like a bunch of herons taking flight with their flapping
bags and Albatross bars.

Esteban
San Diego/Pleasant Hill/Potrero Hill SF, Calif.

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[RBW] Re: Archival Musette

[Lesli]

Thanks for the early user notes and feedback on the AC musette bags.
Our run of tan bags has sold out but we have a few yellow bags
remaining.  Both are made out of waxed cotton.

We'll have a new run of bags at the end of January with the addition
of our flap musette which will have an adjustable strap, internal
pocketing, and yes, a flap.  We're hoping to do a canoe-type rucksack
(compact enough to carry on your back while cycling).  No rando-
handlebar bags in the works.

We're trying to design a bag--especially model one--that fits a
maximum range of folks (men and women).  Do send me your user notes on
strap length and bag size.

You can email me here:

lesli.lar...@gmail.com


On Dec 30, 6:05 am, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> On 12/30/09, Harry  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Rene here is a link to Lesi's flickr page where I first saw the bag:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/sets/72157622849480445/
>
> > Harry
>
> > On Dec 29, 7:08 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> >> How do you order them? I couldn't find a link on their website...
>
> >> René
>
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[RBW] New Roadeo!

[J. Douglas Way]

Hi-

Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo that 
arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in 
Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that 
was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while 
I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today anyway!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/

My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in 
blue.

Happy New Year!
Doug Way
in snowy Boulder, CO

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[RBW] Re: Archival Musette

[kps]

On Dec 29, 2:55 pm, Bruce  wrote:
> I'm pleased to be an early recipient of an "Archival Clothing" musette carry 
> bag.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9535...@n07/4225735143/

i'm fortunate to have snagged one of Archival's first musettes, too,
and i love it.  have used it for commuting to the shop this week.
love the way it fits.  kudos to Lesli and Tom on their
initial efforts.  as i understand it, the next set of bags will have a
flap.  i might want one of those too, but not because this one isn't
sufficient for my needs.  ;-)
-kim

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Re: [RBW] New Roadeo!

[Doug Van Cleve]

Nice to see a Campy-fied RBW bike, Doug :^)

I built my Joe Starck Road Standard up about 10 years ago with a mix of
interesting stuff, but mostly Campy.  For whatever reason, I don't see many
with Campy.  Did you use Tektro calipers?

Happy New Year,
Doug


On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM, J. Douglas Way  wrote:

> Hi-
>
> Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo that
> arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
> Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
> was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
> I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today anyway!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>
> My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
> blue.
>
> Happy New Year!
> Doug Way
> in snowy Boulder, CO
>

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[RBW] Ride Report (Ram in Marin and Chance Meeting with Roms/Bleriot/Kogswell/Ebisu)

[James Warren]

This was one of the best rides ever, and Esteban, thanks for the great photo 
journal. Thanks to Franklyn for guiding us, including showing me how to get 
through the city easily, and thanks to everyone, including Aaron, Erik, and Lee 
for inviting me on the ride and the fun times. I have a few photos to add to 
Esteban's and a description:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035...@n07/sets/72157623101578234/


A group of 5 guys, Aaron, Erik, Esteban, Franklyn, and Lee, with nice steel 
bikes met up in San Francisco, crossed the Golden Gate Bridge, rode through 
Sausalito and made their way into Mill Valley, where they stopped at a café. By 
coincidence, this other guy on a Rambouillet looking to come up with a good 
ride in unknown territory, comes to the same cafe, and is invited to ride along 
with the other 5. I was the wayward Ram rider, and here is how I ended up there.

I started late Monday taking BART from Berkeley to San Francisco with the 
intention of riding into Marin and exploring Marin for a day and a half, stay 
overnight somewhere. The Rambouillet is loaded with a rear big loafer, a 
banana-type bag on the seat, and a small Keven's bag as a handlebar bag, all 
green tweed. I carry a change of clothes, some toiletries, some tools, a bike 
lock, camera, Marin Country riding book, etc. It's my favorite inn-to-inn 
touring light type of load.

By spending more time in San Francisco than I had planned, I ended up in 
Sausalito an hour before sunset. I figured I would risk it by going north and 
finding a hotel. It wasn't long before I saw how easy that is (if a bit 
expensive). On the secluded "5" bikeway (yes, they are numbered here), the bike 
path forked off and went right to the parking lot and front office of the 
Holiday Inn Express. I'm on vacation so I splurged and got a room. That 
permitted me to tool around a bit until sundown and then set off from here as 
early as I wanted the next day. 

Got up Tuesday morning, ate the free breakfast, and headed into Mill Valley, 
where I ran into the rest of the group.

Ride: went up one of the residential climbs from Mill Valley and eventually got 
to Panoramic Highway, a beautiful hilly ride to the Ranger Station. From the 
Ranger station there are many options, Old Stage would be a good fire climb 
towards the East Peak with the touring bikes, and that will be for another 
trip, because we decided to do the full loop which meant taking Pantoll up to 
West Ridgecrest, which is the rolling ridge line where many car commercials 
were filmed. That is fun to ride along and is incredibly beautiful with ocean 
views of Bolinas, as you can see in Esteban's video on his Flickr page. By the 
way, the day in Mill Valley started off so foggy that everything was wet, but 
by the time we were up at Ridgecrest, it was sunny. After that, descent to 
Fairfax, complete the loop on the residential east side.

In Larkspur, I learned that my favorite Italian cafe is on Magnolia Ave., and 
going there had been a goal of the day, since I had been there once before and 
wanted to find it again. But by now, that goal had been far overshadowed by the 
big loop ride and the good company, so I had no trouble just riding by it and 
looking in the window as we rode by it to start our pretty long climb on Camino 
Alto through Corte Madera. 

The climb up from Sausalito to the GG Bridge is substantial, and I liked it, 
and then riding with the pedestrians on the bridge was the most dangerous part 
of the day.

-Jim W.




-Original Message-
>From: Esteban 
>Sent: Dec 30, 2009 8:01 AM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] California & Steel Bike Uber Alles Mt Tam Ride
>
>Franklyn, who used to have a Romulus and now has an Ebisu and
>Kogswell, led Lee (Ebisu), Aaron (Romulus), Erik (Bleriot), and myself
>(Romulus) on a great ride up from the Mission in San Francisco up Mt.
>Tam, over to the Alpine Dam, through Fairfax and back as a great way
>to end 2009.
>
>On a stop at The Station in Mill Valley, we saw a fellow on a nice
>orange Rambouillet with tweed bags, looking to find his way up the
>Railroad Grade.  It was Jim Warren from the list. He joined us and we
>all had a great time.
>
>Three of us were So Cal Riv Riders (with family in the Bay Area), and
>three Bay Area folks.  Despite the territorial tension (re: In Smog
>and Thunder: http://www.insmogandthunder.com/trailer-play.html) we had
>a great time!
>
>Here are some photos:
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157623101143324/
>
>I BARTed back to the East Bay in time to see the Riv staff trying to
>make their way across Main St Walnut Creek in time to catch the SF-
>bound train, like a bunch of herons taking flight with their flapping
>bags and Albatross bars.
>
>Esteban
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Re: [RBW] New Roadeo!

[cyclotourist]

Like, like, like those colors!

Happy Christmas to you!

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:30 AM, J. Douglas Way  wrote:

> Hi-
>
> Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo that
> arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
> Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
> was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
> I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today anyway!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>
> My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
> blue.
>
> Happy New Year!
> Doug Way
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Re: [RBW] New Roadeo!

[PATRICK MOORE]

Very nice. I want one to build up as a fixed gear.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM, J. Douglas Way  wrote:

> Hi-
>
> Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo that
> arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
> Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
> was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
> I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today anyway!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>
> My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
> blue.
>
> Happy New Year!
> Doug Way
> in snowy Boulder, CO
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Re: [RBW] New Roadeo!

[Dustin N. Sharp]

And I want one with a low-trail fork and mounts for an elegant front-rack! 
Would be cool if they offered a "racy randonneur" option.


On 12/30/09 9:57 AM, "PATRICK MOORE"  wrote:

Very nice. I want one to build up as a fixed gear.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM, J. Douglas Way  wrote:
Hi-

Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo that
arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today anyway!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/

My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
blue.

Happy New Year!
Doug Way
in snowy Boulder, CO

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Re: [RBW] New Roadeo!

[J. Douglas Way]

Doug-

Yep, I used the Riv recommended Tektro "Big Mouth" calipers.  Hopefully, 
I won't be missing my good old Campy, short-reach, dual pivot calipers.  
I'll let everyone know how the Tektros work out.

Doug

On 12/30/09 9:57 AM, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
> Nice to see a Campy-fied RBW bike, Doug :^)
>
> I built my Joe Starck Road Standard up about 10 years ago with a mix 
> of interesting stuff, but mostly Campy.  For whatever reason, I don't 
> see many with Campy.  Did you use Tektro calipers?
>
> Happy New Year,
> Doug
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM, J. Douglas Way  > wrote:
>
> Hi-
>
> Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm
> Roadeo that
> arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
> Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
> was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
> I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today
> anyway!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>
> My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
> blue.
>
> Happy New Year!
> Doug Way
> in snowy Boulder, CO
>
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Re: [RBW] New Roadeo!

[Eric Norris]

Love the bike, but please change out that stem. Yuck.

-- Eric Norris
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On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:30 AM, "J. Douglas Way"  wrote:

> Hi-
>
> Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo  
> that
> arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
> Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
> was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
> I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today  
> anyway!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>
> My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
> blue.
>
> Happy New Year!
> Doug Way
> in snowy Boulder, CO
>
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[RBW] Quickbeam Glamour Shots

[Eric Norris]

 From yesterday's ride:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623095366600/

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Glamour Shots

[James Warren]

Beauty. It looks like a bike that's lacking nothing.-Original Message-
From: Eric Norris 
Sent: Dec 30, 2009 2:06 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Quickbeam Glamour Shots

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo!

[Aaron Thomas]

I totally agree. The angle up is way too steep -- it looks weird. I
say flip it or swap it out with a shallower angle.

On Dec 30, 11:05 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Love the bike, but please change out that stem. Yuck.
>
> -- Eric Norriswww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.com
>
> On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:30 AM, "J. Douglas Way"  wrote:
>
> > Hi-
>
> > Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo  
> > that
> > arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
> > Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
> > was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
> > I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today  
> > anyway!
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>
> > My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
> > blue.
>
> > Happy New Year!
> > Doug Way
> > in snowy Boulder, CO
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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Glamour Shots

[cyclotourist]

Several hundred miles to the south:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4227163876/

:-)

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> From yesterday's ride:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623095366600/
>
> — Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Glamour Shots

[Robert F. Harrison]

Sweet, sweet, sweet. If I didn't have my own QB I'd probably be jealous.
Actually, when you get right down to it, I'm still a bit jealous. :-)

If anyone is thinking of getting big prints of their glamour shots, Adorama
is offering 20x30" prints for $10 today and tomorrow. I've decent results
from them before so...I'm probably going to order a big print of my QB at
Diamond Head which I provided the link to here a couple of weeks ago when my
QB arrived from Riv.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2751/4170372791_f2702408cd_b.jpg

I figure I can put it up in my office and stare at it all day instead of
working. :-)

Aloha!

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>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623095366600/
>  — Eric Norris
>  www.campyonly.com
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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Glamour Shots

[cyclotourist]

Yep, it definitely beats working!

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Robert F. Harrison
wrote:

> Sweet, sweet, sweet. If I didn't have my own QB I'd probably be jealous.
> Actually, when you get right down to it, I'm still a bit jealous. :-)
>
> If anyone is thinking of getting big prints of their glamour shots, Adorama
> is offering 20x30" prints for $10 today and tomorrow. I've decent results
> from them before so...I'm probably going to order a big print of my QB at
> Diamond Head which I provided the link to here a couple of weeks ago when my
> QB arrived from Riv.
>
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2751/4170372791_f2702408cd_b.jpg
>
> I figure I can put it up in my office and stare at it all day instead of
> working. :-)
>
> Aloha!
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
>> From yesterday's ride:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623095366600/
>>  — Eric Norris
>>  www.campyonly.com
>> www.wheelsnorth.com
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>> Flickr][image:
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[RBW] Re: New favorite tire

[doug peterson]

The Schwalbe Marathon Supreme is built primarily for puncture
resistance and longevity, and is ideal for loaded touring.  However,
it's probably way on the stiff end of the suppleness scale.  I pump
'em up every couple of weeks to around 65-70, and when they feel a bit
softish they're down to 40.  That's a 700 x 35 size.
I inherited a light wheel set shod with 23 mm rim protectors.  These
entirely change the character of my Atlantis (duh!) but I intend to
upgrade the tires.  The Jack Browns look to be a good tire for my
sporty wheel set.  I'm superstitious about tire sizes that start with
a "2" :).

dougP

On Dec 29, 5:50 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 8:37 PM, stevep33  wrote:
> > > I recently rode a 650b with GB Hetres...loved them.  The only thing is
> > > that my bike is 700c.  Can anyone recommend a Hetre-like tire for 700c
> > > (40 wide, supple, etc)?
>
> > closest I've seen is the 37mm pasela's.
>
> > I know some folks like the schwalbes but they don't feel supple to me.
>
> > -sv
>
> > --
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> Marathon Supremes might be a bit more so.  I've never tried them but have
> heard only rave reviews.  Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets save lives.

[James Dinneen]

If we do this early and get it out of the way, does that mean that Spring will 
come early? 
Jim D. Snow-bound in Massachusetts and looking forward to a good fight over 
helmets

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmets save lives.
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 9:32 AM




On Dec 28, 10:55 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:46 PM, manueljohnacosta
> please don't start a helmet debate. I do not know the rule on this but let's 
> just skip it.
> please?
> -sv

Seth,

There is no official rule on the start of helmet wars.  Traditionally,
late January to mid-February is prime time.  However, anytime after
the winter solstice holidays, and before Spring is acceptable. This
post may be an early sign of the much anticipated 2010 game.

Best,
Larry

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[RBW] FS: Mark's Rack

[rcnute]

I have two and am only using one.  Has all the hardware.  Does $70
shipped sound fair?

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: FS: Mark's Rack

[rcnute]

Sold!

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> I have two and am only using one.  Has all the hardware.  Does $70
> shipped sound fair?
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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo!

[Philip Williamson]

Ha! I couldn't disagree more. When I read Eric's remark, I assumed I'd
see a "seven" shaped stem jacked up eight inches.
The only problem I can see with this stem is that it's a little fat
compared to the bike tubing, but I've seen fatter. It looks good. A
custom steel stem would require painting, which might offend someone
on the list, so you might not want to do that.

The angle looks about perfect to get the bars where they belong.
Wouldn't flipping it over defeat the purpose?

Great looking bike, Doug, even with gears!
 Philip

On Dec 30, 11:24 am, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
> I totally agree. The angle up is way too steep -- it looks weird. I
> say flip it or swap it out with a shallower angle.
>
> On Dec 30, 11:05 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Love the bike, but please change out that stem. Yuck.
>
> > -- Eric Norriswww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.com
>
> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:30 AM, "J. Douglas Way"  wrote:
>
> > > Hi-
>
> > > Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo  
> > > that
> > > arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
> > > Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
> > > was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
> > > I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today  
> > > anyway!
>
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>
> > > My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
> > > blue.
>
> > > Happy New Year!
> > > Doug Way
> > > in snowy Boulder, CO
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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo!

[Richard]

Beautiful bike and build!

I'm guessing you chose to install the stem as you did to give you a
comfortable reach to the bars and opted for a 17 degree rise over a
whole bunch of spacers?.

Hope you and your wife enjoy your Roadeo's.  Happy New Year.

On Dec 30, 1:24 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
> I totally agree. The angle up is way too steep -- it looks weird. I
> say flip it or swap it out with a shallower angle.
>
> On Dec 30, 11:05 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Love the bike, but please change out that stem. Yuck.
>
> > -- Eric Norriswww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.com
>
> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:30 AM, "J. Douglas Way"  wrote:
>
> > > Hi-
>
> > > Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo  
> > > that
> > > arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
> > > Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
> > > was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
> > > I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today  
> > > anyway!
>
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>
> > > My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
> > > blue.
>
> > > Happy New Year!
> > > Doug Way
> > > in snowy Boulder, CO
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo!

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 14:36 -0800, Philip Williamson wrote:
> Ha! I couldn't disagree more. When I read Eric's remark, I assumed I'd
> see a "seven" shaped stem jacked up eight inches.
> The only problem I can see with this stem is that it's a little fat
> compared to the bike tubing, but I've seen fatter. It looks good. A
> custom steel stem would require painting, which might offend someone
> on the list, so you might not want to do that.
> 
> The angle looks about perfect to get the bars where they belong.
> Wouldn't flipping it over defeat the purpose?

Not necessarily.  There's plenty of steerer above the stem, so if the
stem was flipped and spacers put under it, the stem would sit higher up
on the steerer, counteracting the reduced uplift of the stem.  I'm not
sure that would be enough to achieve the identical handlebar height,
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo!

[Bill Connell]

Bah, it's better to have the bike fit. Anyway, it looks like he's
still dialing in the fit, guessing by the spacers above and below the
stem. What we really need are steerer spacers that don't make the bike
look like it's wearing a cheap turtleneck. And more options for
beautiful threadless stems would be nice too.
Bill


On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
> I totally agree. The angle up is way too steep -- it looks weird. I
> say flip it or swap it out with a shallower angle.
>
> On Dec 30, 11:05 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> Love the bike, but please change out that stem. Yuck.
>>
>> -- Eric Norriswww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.com
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:30 AM, "J. Douglas Way"  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi-
>>
>> > Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo
>> > that
>> > arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
>> > Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
>> > was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
>> > I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today
>> > anyway!
>>
>> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>>
>> > My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
>> > blue.
>>
>> > Happy New Year!
>> > Doug Way
>> > in snowy Boulder, CO
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RE: [RBW] New Roadeo!

[Frederick, Steve]

Remember the mission of the Roadeo is to win over fast club riders that might 
otherwise go with big name carbon fiber.  Not typically a low trail/barbag 
target audience...

Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI


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Subject: Re: [RBW] New Roadeo!
 
And I want one with a low-trail fork and mounts for an elegant front-rack! 
Would be cool if they offered a "racy randonneur" option.


On 12/30/09 9:57 AM, "PATRICK MOORE"  wrote:

Very nice. I want one to build up as a fixed gear.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM, J. Douglas Way  wrote:
Hi-

Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo that
arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today anyway!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/

My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
blue.

Happy New Year!
Doug Way
in snowy Boulder, CO

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo!

[J. Douglas Way]

Hi Richard-

Thanks to all of the group that have responded about my new Roadeo 
build.  You are indeed correct.  As you surmised, the folks at my LBS 
convinced me to try the stem with the up sloping configuration to 
minimize the number of spacers that would be needed.  Trying to be 
conservative, I had them leave about 2 cm above the stem so that I could 
raise it further in my even older age, ;-) !

I'm used to this look anyway as the Ti bike I've been riding has an up 
sloping stem as well.

Doug

Richard wrote:
> Beautiful bike and build!
>
> I'm guessing you chose to install the stem as you did to give you a
> comfortable reach to the bars and opted for a 17 degree rise over a
> whole bunch of spacers?.
>
> Hope you and your wife enjoy your Roadeo's.  Happy New Year.
>
> On Dec 30, 1:24 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
>   
>> I totally agree. The angle up is way too steep -- it looks weird. I
>> say flip it or swap it out with a shallower angle.
>>
>> On Dec 30, 11:05 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Love the bike, but please change out that stem. Yuck.
>>>   
>>> -- Eric Norriswww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.com
>>>   
>>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:30 AM, "J. Douglas Way"  wrote:
>>>   
 Hi-
 
 Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo  
 that
 arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
 Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
 was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
 I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today  
 anyway!
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
 
 My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
 blue.
 
 Happy New Year!
 Doug Way
 in snowy Boulder, CO
 
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[RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

[Dustin N. Sharp]

No, but if you can hit a second audience by simply offering another fork, why 
not?  Randonneuring is growing, and Francophilia is in vogue. The tubing spec 
and other aspects of the frame would make a good fastish Brevet bike.

Seems like low-hanging fruit to me.



On 12/30/09 2:48 PM, "Frederick, Steve"  wrote:

> Remember the mission of the Roadeo is to win over fast club riders that might 
> otherwise go with big name carbon fiber.  Not typically a low trail/barbag 
> target audience...
> 
> Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com on behalf of Dustin N. Sharp
> Sent: Wed 12/30/2009 1:05 PM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] New Roadeo!
>  
> And I want one with a low-trail fork and mounts for an elegant front-rack! 
> Would be cool if they offered a "racy randonneur" option.
> 
> 
> On 12/30/09 9:57 AM, "PATRICK MOORE"  wrote:
> 
> Very nice. I want one to build up as a fixed gear.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM, J. Douglas Way  wrote:
> Hi-
> 
> Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo that
> arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
> Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
> was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
> I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today anyway!
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
> 
> My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
> blue.
> 
> Happy New Year!
> Doug Way
> in snowy Boulder, CO
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Re: [RBW] New Roadeo!

[Rene Sterental]

Funny how initially I was repelled by the long necks of the threaded
stems, and now the rising stem looks upsetting...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and when you close your eyes you
either smile blissfully or frown in agony from your sore neck and
shoulders... :-D

Lovely bike!!!

René

On 12/30/09, J. Douglas Way  wrote:
> Hi Richard-
>
> Thanks to all of the group that have responded about my new Roadeo
> build.  You are indeed correct.  As you surmised, the folks at my LBS
> convinced me to try the stem with the up sloping configuration to
> minimize the number of spacers that would be needed.  Trying to be
> conservative, I had them leave about 2 cm above the stem so that I could
> raise it further in my even older age, ;-) !
>
> I'm used to this look anyway as the Ti bike I've been riding has an up
> sloping stem as well.
>
> Doug
>
> Richard wrote:
>> Beautiful bike and build!
>>
>> I'm guessing you chose to install the stem as you did to give you a
>> comfortable reach to the bars and opted for a 17 degree rise over a
>> whole bunch of spacers?.
>>
>> Hope you and your wife enjoy your Roadeo's.  Happy New Year.
>>
>> On Dec 30, 1:24 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
>>
>>> I totally agree. The angle up is way too steep -- it looks weird. I
>>> say flip it or swap it out with a shallower angle.
>>>
>>> On Dec 30, 11:05 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Love the bike, but please change out that stem. Yuck.

 -- Eric Norriswww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.com

 On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:30 AM, "J. Douglas Way"  wrote:

> Hi-
>
> Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo
> that
> arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
> Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
> was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
> I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today
> anyway!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>
> My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
> blue.
>
> Happy New Year!
> Doug Way
> in snowy Boulder, CO
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Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

[Rene Sterental]

Wouldn't the concept of a low trail additional fork option work for
all Rivendell models?

Or is the low trail also coupled with other geometry changes needed to
fully express itself in a great handling bike? By that I mean that the
current great handling shouldn't suffer at all after swapping forks.

René

On 12/30/09, Dustin N. Sharp  wrote:
> No, but if you can hit a second audience by simply offering another fork,
> why not?  Randonneuring is growing, and Francophilia is in vogue. The tubing
> spec and other aspects of the frame would make a good fastish Brevet bike.
>
> Seems like low-hanging fruit to me.
>
>
>
> On 12/30/09 2:48 PM, "Frederick, Steve"  wrote:
>
>> Remember the mission of the Roadeo is to win over fast club riders that
>> might
>> otherwise go with big name carbon fiber.  Not typically a low trail/barbag
>>
>> target audience...
>>
>> Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com on behalf of Dustin N. Sharp
>> Sent: Wed 12/30/2009 1:05 PM
>> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [RBW] New Roadeo!
>>
>> And I want one with a low-trail fork and mounts for an elegant front-rack!
>>
>> Would be cool if they offered a "racy randonneur" option.
>>
>>
>> On 12/30/09 9:57 AM, "PATRICK MOORE"  wrote:
>>
>> Very nice. I want one to build up as a fixed gear.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM, J. Douglas Way  wrote:
>> Hi-
>>
>> Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo that
>> arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
>> Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
>> was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
>> I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today anyway!
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>>
>> My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
>> blue.
>>
>> Happy New Year!
>> Doug Way
>> in snowy Boulder, CO
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo!

[james black]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 14:59, J. Douglas Way  wrote:
> I'm used to this look anyway as the Ti bike I've been riding has an up
> sloping stem as well.

My preference would be for a larger frame, to reduce the amount of
exposed seatpost and decrease the amount that the stem needs to lift
the bars above the frame. But that's about aesthetics, more than
function.

James Black
Los Angeles, CA

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Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

[james black]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 15:43, Dustin N. Sharp  wrote:
> No, but if you can hit a second audience by simply offering another fork, why 
> not?  Randonneuring is growing, and Francophilia is in vogue. The tubing spec 
> and other aspects of the frame would make a good fastish Brevet bike.

I would also prefer a lower-trail geometry on a bike like this, but on
the other hand, Rivendell's geometry works well too, and I have to
appreciate that Rivendell has stuck to their guns and not jumped onto
the trendy bandwagon of low-trail geometry.

On the other other hand, I think low-trail geometry is more than a
trendy bandwagon, and is in fact actually superior.

James Black

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report (Ram in Marin and Chance Meeting with Roms/Bleriot/Kogswell/Ebisu)

[Esteban]

Great to see you out there, Jim!

Esteban

On Dec 30, 9:27 am, James Warren  wrote:
> This was one of the best rides ever, and Esteban, thanks for the great photo 
> journal. Thanks to Franklyn for guiding us, including showing me how to get 
> through the city easily, and thanks to everyone, including Aaron, Erik, and 
> Lee for inviting me on the ride and the fun times. I have a few photos to add 
> to Esteban's and a description:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035...@n07/sets/72157623101578234/
>
> A group of 5 guys, Aaron, Erik, Esteban, Franklyn, and Lee, with nice steel 
> bikes met up in San Francisco, crossed the Golden Gate Bridge, rode through 
> Sausalito and made their way into Mill Valley, where they stopped at a café. 
> By coincidence, this other guy on a Rambouillet looking to come up with a 
> good ride in unknown territory, comes to the same cafe, and is invited to 
> ride along with the other 5. I was the wayward Ram rider, and here is how I 
> ended up there.
>
> I started late Monday taking BART from Berkeley to San Francisco with the 
> intention of riding into Marin and exploring Marin for a day and a half, stay 
> overnight somewhere. The Rambouillet is loaded with a rear big loafer, a 
> banana-type bag on the seat, and a small Keven's bag as a handlebar bag, all 
> green tweed. I carry a change of clothes, some toiletries, some tools, a bike 
> lock, camera, Marin Country riding book, etc. It's my favorite inn-to-inn 
> touring light type of load.
>
> By spending more time in San Francisco than I had planned, I ended up in 
> Sausalito an hour before sunset. I figured I would risk it by going north and 
> finding a hotel. It wasn't long before I saw how easy that is (if a bit 
> expensive). On the secluded "5" bikeway (yes, they are numbered here), the 
> bike path forked off and went right to the parking lot and front office of 
> the Holiday Inn Express. I'm on vacation so I splurged and got a room. That 
> permitted me to tool around a bit until sundown and then set off from here as 
> early as I wanted the next day.
>
> Got up Tuesday morning, ate the free breakfast, and headed into Mill Valley, 
> where I ran into the rest of the group.
>
> Ride: went up one of the residential climbs from Mill Valley and eventually 
> got to Panoramic Highway, a beautiful hilly ride to the Ranger Station. >From 
> the Ranger station there are many options, Old Stage would be a good fire 
> climb towards the East Peak with the touring bikes, and that will be for 
> another trip, because we decided to do the full loop which meant taking 
> Pantoll up to West Ridgecrest, which is the rolling ridge line where many car 
> commercials were filmed. That is fun to ride along and is incredibly 
> beautiful with ocean views of Bolinas, as you can see in Esteban's video on 
> his Flickr page. By the way, the day in Mill Valley started off so foggy that 
> everything was wet, but by the time we were up at Ridgecrest, it was sunny. 
> After that, descent to Fairfax, complete the loop on the residential east 
> side.
>
> In Larkspur, I learned that my favorite Italian cafe is on Magnolia Ave., and 
> going there had been a goal of the day, since I had been there once before 
> and wanted to find it again. But by now, that goal had been far overshadowed 
> by the big loop ride and the good company, so I had no trouble just riding by 
> it and looking in the window as we rode by it to start our pretty long climb 
> on Camino Alto through Corte Madera.
>
> The climb up from Sausalito to the GG Bridge is substantial, and I liked it, 
> and then riding with the pedestrians on the bridge was the most dangerous 
> part of the day.
>
> -Jim W.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Esteban 
> >Sent: Dec 30, 2009 8:01 AM
> >To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> >Subject: [RBW] California & Steel Bike Uber Alles Mt Tam Ride
>
> >Franklyn, who used to have a Romulus and now has an Ebisu and
> >Kogswell, led Lee (Ebisu), Aaron (Romulus), Erik (Bleriot), and myself
> >(Romulus) on a great ride up from the Mission in San Francisco up Mt.
> >Tam, over to the Alpine Dam, through Fairfax and back as a great way
> >to end 2009.
>
> >On a stop at The Station in Mill Valley, we saw a fellow on a nice
> >orange Rambouillet with tweed bags, looking to find his way up the
> >Railroad Grade.  It was Jim Warren from the list. He joined us and we
> >all had a great time.
>
> >Three of us were So Cal Riv Riders (with family in the Bay Area), and
> >three Bay Area folks.  Despite the territorial tension (re: In Smog
> >and Thunder:http://www.insmogandthunder.com/trailer-play.html) we had
> >a great time!
>
> >Here are some photos:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157623101143324/
>
> >I BARTed back to the East Bay in time to see the Riv staff trying to
> >make their way across Main St Walnut Creek in time to catch the SF-
> >bound train, like a bunch of herons taking flight with their flapping
> >bags and Albatross ba

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 15:59 -0800, james black wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 15:43, Dustin N. Sharp  wrote:
> > No, but if you can hit a second audience by simply offering another fork, 
> > why not?  Randonneuring is growing, and Francophilia is in vogue. The 
> > tubing spec and other aspects of the frame would make a good fastish Brevet 
> > bike.
> 
> I would also prefer a lower-trail geometry on a bike like this, but on
> the other hand, Rivendell's geometry works well too, and I have to
> appreciate that Rivendell has stuck to their guns and not jumped onto
> the trendy bandwagon of low-trail geometry.

"Sticking to their guns" pretty much defines Rivendell & Grant, I think.
Long-time readers of _Riv Reader_ will recall, Grant built a test
low-trail bike.  He didn't like it.  

Unfortunately, he didn't try it with a load on the front or with wide
low pressure tires (both essentials) and he wouldn't consider trying it
again with those items in place.  So, from the Rivendell perspective,
the case is closed on low trail.


> On the other other hand, I think low-trail geometry is more than a
> trendy bandwagon, and is in fact actually superior.


For some (but not all) purposes/configurations, I agree.  But if the
target audience is predisposed toward carrying little, and that only in
a small seat pack and their jersey pockets, a low trail configuration
that demands a handlebar bag with some weight in it to feel "right" is a
non-starter.  I might add, until you see handlebar bags in the pro
peleton (or hell freezes over, whichever comes first) you won't see
racer wannabees and pacelining club riders (the Roadeo target audience,
after all) with them.

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo!

[Richard]

The Velo-Orange threadless stems have a polished sliver finish and are
available in six and 17 degree rise.  The Velo-Orange threadless stem
steerer clamping length is 40mm, while most of the other threadless
stems available in silver have a 36mm or less steerer clamping
length.  The extra length of the Velo-Orange threadless stem can
eliminate one or two of those ugly turtle neck spacers.

On Dec 30, 4:47 pm, Bill Connell  wrote:
> Bah, it's better to have the bike fit. Anyway, it looks like he's
> still dialing in the fit, guessing by the spacers above and below the
> stem. What we really need are steerer spacers that don't make the bike
> look like it's wearing a cheap turtleneck. And more options for
> beautiful threadless stems would be nice too.
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Aaron Thomas  
> wrote:
> > I totally agree. The angle up is way too steep -- it looks weird. I
> > say flip it or swap it out with a shallower angle.
>
> > On Dec 30, 11:05 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> >> Love the bike, but please change out that stem. Yuck.
>
> >> -- Eric Norriswww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.com
>
> >> On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:30 AM, "J. Douglas Way"  wrote:
>
> >> > Hi-
>
> >> > Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo
> >> > that
> >> > arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
> >> > Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
> >> > was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
> >> > I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today
> >> > anyway!
>
> >> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>
> >> > My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
> >> > blue.
>
> >> > Happy New Year!
> >> > Doug Way
> >> > in snowy Boulder, CO
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo!

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 16:32 -0800, Richard wrote:
> The Velo-Orange threadless stems have a polished sliver finish and are
> available in six and 17 degree rise.  The Velo-Orange threadless stem
> steerer clamping length is 40mm, while most of the other threadless
> stems available in silver have a 36mm or less steerer clamping
> length.  The extra length of the Velo-Orange threadless stem can
> eliminate one or two of those ugly turtle neck spacers.
> 
> On Dec 30, 4:47 pm, Bill Connell  wrote:
> > Bah, it's better to have the bike fit. Anyway, it looks like he's
> > still dialing in the fit, guessing by the spacers above and below the
> > stem. What we really need are steerer spacers that don't make the bike
> > look like it's wearing a cheap turtleneck. And more options for
> > beautiful threadless stems would be nice too.


Well, if it's beautiful threadless stems you're wanting, check out these
Aherne stems:  http://www.ahearnecycles.com/pages/stemsgallery.html
They're simply breathtaking.




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[RBW] Re: Helmets save lives.

[LF]

On Dec 30, 4:36 pm, James Dinneen  wrote:
> If we do this early and get it out of the way, does that mean that Spring 
> will come early?
> Jim D. Snow-bound in Massachusetts and looking forward to a good fight 
> over helmets
>
Hi Jim,

No telling, the definitive research is yet to be done. The only local
scientific article on helmets I could find is from MIT, and not
specifically about bicycle helmets.  *On the Effectiveness of
Aluminium Foil Helmets: An Empirical Study* by Ali Rahimi, Ben Recht ,
Jason Taylor, & Noah Vawter  can be found here: .

Best,
Larry

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo!

[JoelMatthews]

Ahearne is one of several builders who are taking the humble stem
concept and making works of art.  Perhaps it is my bias, but I frankly
prefer the two quills in his photo album to the lovely threadless.

Unfortunately, not many of the builders sell stems without their
bike.  I have always wondered whether some builder could make a living
just producing great stems as Matt Feeney is (for now anyway) with his
great Pass Stow rack.

On Dec 30, 6:37 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 16:32 -0800, Richard wrote:
> > The Velo-Orange threadless stems have a polished sliver finish and are
> > available in six and 17 degree rise.  The Velo-Orange threadless stem
> > steerer clamping length is 40mm, while most of the other threadless
> > stems available in silver have a 36mm or less steerer clamping
> > length.  The extra length of the Velo-Orange threadless stem can
> > eliminate one or two of those ugly turtle neck spacers.
>
> > On Dec 30, 4:47 pm, Bill Connell  wrote:
> > > Bah, it's better to have the bike fit. Anyway, it looks like he's
> > > still dialing in the fit, guessing by the spacers above and below the
> > > stem. What we really need are steerer spacers that don't make the bike
> > > look like it's wearing a cheap turtleneck. And more options for
> > > beautiful threadless stems would be nice too.
>
> Well, if it's beautiful threadless stems you're wanting, check out these
> Aherne stems:  http://www.ahearnecycles.com/pages/stemsgallery.html
> They're simply breathtaking.

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Re: [RBW] New Roadeo!

[Wade Vidal]

Congrats on great christmas gift.  that is a beautiful bike it looks great 
in thesnow
- Original Message - 
From: "J. Douglas Way" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:30 AM
Subject: [RBW] New Roadeo!


> Hi-
>
> Here's a link to some hastily taken pictures of my new 59 cm Roadeo that
> arrived on Christmas Eve.  The build was done by my LBS, Vecchios, in
> Boulder, CO.  Yes, it still has the skinny tires from my Ti bike that
> was the source of the parts.  I will install some 32 mm Paselas while
> I'm waiting for the snow to melt, ;-).  I may try to ride it today anyway!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157622976728367/
>
> My wife, Deb, is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her 51 cm Roadeo in
> blue.
>
> Happy New Year!
> Doug Way
> in snowy Boulder, CO
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Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:59 PM, james black  wrote:

>
> On the other other hand, I think low-trail geometry is more than a
> trendy bandwagon, and is in fact actually superior.
>
> Why is this, exactly? I know it is better for front loads, but apart from
front loads, are there advantages? I ask because all three Rivs I have owned
have handled impeccably; I can't think of any improvement to them.



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Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> But if the
> target audience is predisposed toward carrying little, and that only in
> a small seat pack and their jersey pockets, a low trail configuration
> that demands a handlebar bag with some weight in it to feel "right" is a
> non-starter.


I still don't get it. I carry 30+ lb on at least two of my Rivendells, in
the rear of course, and the handling is better than on the Motobecane: I
remember carrying at least 30 lb on Riv #1, which didn't handle as well as 2
and 3, and being very pleased that I could ride it no hands at 10 mph as
well as at higher speeds. I remember passing a pair of riders while riding
the same bike with a smaller but still noticeable rear load just before a
sharp S bend on a narrow bike path that crossed a culvert on an even
narrower bridge, and being surprised at how well the Riv tracked despite the
panniers. Etc Etc. So why would low trail be better for me with my rear
loads up to 40 lb?


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[RBW] FS: Update

[PATRICK MOORE]

All shipping by Priority unless otherwise noted.

Pair size 44 Gaerne CF road shoes, well used but still much life left, and
pair of Look Delta pedals, well scuffed but smoother and, well, much life
left, $30 shipped for it all.

Pair MKS GR-9s, tabs broken off but smooth, $15 shipped.

46 to 130 BCD generic ring, Sugino I think, used but vg, $15 shipped.

40 t ditto, $15 shipped.

Combine shipping for multiple purchases.

Paypal preferred.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Went for A bikeride and a snowstorm broke out

[RoadieRyan]

LOL  I was in PDX yesterday visiting Family and got caught in the
storm but unfortunately in the car, the bike would have worked MUCH
better.
At one point I was going up Johnson Creek blvd and kept looking at the
bike path to see if anyone was on it.  Didn't see in riders but I did
see tracks.  Glad you had a good ride and made it home safe looking
forward to the pics.

RR

On Dec 29, 8:33 pm, rob markwardt  wrote:
> Hi,
>     Visiting inlaws in Portland for a couple days so that means I get
> to bring a bike.  Brought the Bleriot and took off this afternoon to
> ride for a few hours.  Stated off a little cold but not bad.  Afterr
> about an hour the flakes started to come down.  Rode for another half
> hour an I wa in the middle of a full- blown snow storm.   Very fun
> riding but At this point I was a long way from home and had to figure
> out the best route home.  Not easy...despite it's reputation as a
> biking paradise, and it is a great place to ride, but let's just sAy
> there are LOT of hills.  I headed downtown then up Terwiliger (a
> beautiful road).  Was really getting thick at this point but I still
> had to get to home base in Lake Oswego...this meant climbing over an
> exticf volcano (now suburb).  It was granny gear and sidewalks at this
> point though traffic really started to thin out here... Nobody could
> make it up the hill.  Had a nice downhill ride and thankfully made it
> home before dark.  Bleriot did great but I could have used some wider
> fenders. Will post pics once I figure out how to upload from Iphone.
> Hoping to go for a ride again tomorrow but not too hopeful.
>
> Rob Markwardt
>
> PS... Apologies for typos but I'm getting used to the little keyboard.

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Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

[james black]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 20:49, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Why is this, exactly? I know it is better for front loads, but apart from
> front loads, are there advantages? I ask because all three Rivs I have owned
> have handled impeccably; I can't think of any improvement to them.

It's a matter of personal preference - there is wide agreement that
frontal loads work better with handlebar bags, but without such a
load, bikes handle pretty well either way.

My comment was not meant to evangelize against the Rivendell geometry,
but rather to express that there is some intrinsic merit to the
Francophile geometry beyond mere trendiness.

James Black

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Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

[james black]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 20:53, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>  So why would low trail be better for me with my rear
> loads up to 40 lb?

Steve didn't say it would be. There seems to be widespread agreement
that high trail is better for rear-biased loads, and low trail better
for front-biased loads. If you aren't familiar with front-biased loads
on a low-trail bike, I suggest you give it a try and compare for
yourself.

James Black

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[RBW] Re: Bar Bags and Roadeos

[beth h]

James wrote:

>>I would also prefer a lower-trail geometry on a bike like this, but on
the other hand, Rivendell's geometry works well too, and I have to
appreciate that Rivendell has stuck to their guns and not jumped onto
the trendy bandwagon of low-trail geometry.<<

Grant has said (in more than one interview) that while he understands
how low trail works he doesn't feel a need to go there with his
designs. I find his dedication to rear-loading bikes a bonus, since
front-loading bikes don't work equally well for everyone.

And while I wouldn't call low-trail geometry a trendy bandwagon
anymore, I do find that it tends to show up only on more expensive
bicycles. More affordable, mass-produced bikes -- including the Surly
LHT, btw -- still have geometries that favor bigger loads in the
rear.

Beth, grateful that not every bike designer has jumped on the same
bandwagon

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