[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddle Review
Thanks for the review and for charring pictures of such beautiful piece of art! The cork version certainly look the business but I'm also not to fond of the plastic rear. I'll will wait for the the narrow race version that will be available soon, problem is there doesn't seem to be any saddle bag mounts: http://wallbike.com/blog/2009/09/02/new-berthoud-race-saddle/ Cork: http://www.core77.com/gallery/EUROBIKE%20SHOW%202009/92.asp?current_image_number=57¤t_photo_id=13766&album_id=108&context_id=1 Another review: http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/gilles-berthoud-gents-leather-saddle-first-ride/4567.html On 29 Nov, 04:47, Aaron Thomas wrote: > John, > > Thanks for posting the saddle review. But even more thanks to the link > of pics of your fine bike. I really like what you did with the red > tape and amber shellac. The ruby color is quite elegant. > > Aaron > > On Nov 28, 7:30 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > if your Brooks was set up correctly, you would not slide in one > > direction of the other. You would be cradled nicely in the crotch of > > the banana...so to speak. Not saying your current choice is not the > > best for you, but the sweet spot for a Brooks may not be easy to > > find. And thanks for the review and good luck on that fine new > > saddle. > > > On Nov 28, 7:02 pm, John Ferguson wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I've had a chance to ride 500 or 600 miles on a Berthoud saddle. To > > > say I'm quite pleased would be an understatement, so I wrote a little > > > review. > > > > Apologies to those of you who saw this elsewhere. > > > >http://tinyurl.com/yz98jdo > > > > John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Tail Light Query
I will second the Spanninga. Very bright red led, big reflector and easy to mount. Peter White has 'em too. Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO - Original Message - From: palin...@his.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com, "George Strickler" Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 11:58:36 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [RBW] Tail Light Query Quoting George Strickler : > I want to put a battery tail light on my Rambouillet. I want one that > will attach to the rear fender but not look too garish/Electra. I > have stainless Berthouds. Suggestions? http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/2668211449/in/set-72157606169015639/ That's the Spanninga SPXb. Here's what it looked like when it was on my Rambouillet: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/1526903200/sizes/l/in/set-72157602336534002/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The cycling shorts ruse?
Tried Musa shorts with unpadded "underthings" and never noticed a differencehmm. Angus On Nov 28, 5:56 am, Angus wrote: > I rode in lycra for the first time in a while yesterday...the bid > shorts caused more problems than they were worth. Just got another > pair of Musa shorts, I won't be replacing the lycra, it's not doing it > for me anymore. > > Angus > > On Nov 27, 9:28 am, Mike wrote: > > > > > I enjoyed touring and bike camping this past summer in MUSA shorts and > > Ex-Oficio underwear. This is a good post by Kent P. about bike > > shorts. > > >http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2009/11/do-you-need-padded-shorts.html > > > I still wear bib shorts/knickers most of the time and have no problem > > with them but I'm open to doing more of my riding in my MUSA type > > gear. > > > --mike > > > FYI, if you are a lycra wearing kind of cyclist,www.velowear.comhas > > great prices on gear right now. I have 3 pairs of their thermafleece > > bib knickers and love them.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tail Light Query
George, I have Spanninga's on both my All-Rounder and Atlantis. The look good, have a reflector, but IMHO are not nearly as bright as the more recent LED tail lights such as the Plant Bike Superflash or Cateye TL- LD1100. Angus On Nov 28, 11:54 am, George Strickler wrote: > I want to put a battery tail light on my Rambouillet. I want one that > will attach to the rear fender but not look too garish/Electra. I > have stainless Berthouds. Suggestions? > GeorgeS > New Orleans -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddle Review
On 11/28/09, eflayer wrote: > if your Brooks was set up correctly, you would not slide in one > direction of the other. You would be cradled nicely in the crotch of > the banana...so to speak. Not saying your current choice is not the > best for you, but the sweet spot for a Brooks may not be easy to > find. The only Brooks I found comfortable at all was the Pro -- I had tried the B17, B17n and, off road, the Flyer -- and with that, even after 18 months, I still could not get the tilt just right: either it goosed me or I was sliding forward; and this was on a seatpost with a very easily adjustable tilt feature. Now Flites: those I can set up and be comfortable on immediately ... -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
This is like paste wax for furniture. From my experience with putting paste wax on wood, the feel is more, well, tactile than slippery. I guess that's the best way I can describe it. --dlloyd On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 23:42, charlie wrote: > The look can be modified with wood stains before shellacking. The > initial feel can be a little tacky at first but soon smooths out as > you ride them. I wouldn't use wax, it can be slippery when really cold > (think downhill skis) and melts to a gooey mess in the extreme heat. > What I want in a grip is wellgrip! Thats my opinion and I'm > "sticking" to it! > I'll almost bet Grant and gang thought this one through at least a > little bit and considered other options. > > On Nov 28, 4:27 pm, Ray wrote: > > Funny the cork grip thing came up (Great tactile minds think alike?). > > I was going to post the following question: > > > > What range of treatment do tou cork users put on the product? I have > > typically shellaced mine, but I'm always disappointed afterwards with > > the feel and look. Certainly I know you can use them just as untreated > > cork, but what about alternatives to shellac or varnish? I'm thinking > > bee's wax, linseed, or. . . (help me out, folks) > > > > Ray > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Anne Mustoe obit (slightly OT but in Riv spirit)
Not completely on topic, but very much in the Riv spirit, I think. British headmistress takes up cycling at age 54 and circumnavigates globe (the land parts) by bicycle. An inspiring life. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article6935356.ece -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv frames 2010
It's nice that they're keeping the same geometry (level TT). And yeah, the butterscotch color would be great. --mike On Nov 28, 4:11 pm, Kip Otteson wrote: > Sign me up for a Simpleone. I LOVE my Bombadil but I'm looking for > something really simple to have for the town. Like always I wait to > see the colors they choose. Always tasteful, but I'm still a sucker > for the Saluki butterscotch color. > > Kip Otteson > > On Nov 28, 9:49 pm, Mike wrote: > > > > > So I read through the latest Rivendell update email and am excited > > about the changes to existing frames and new frames for 2010. About a > > week and a half ago when there was that scratched Sam Hillborne for > > $700 on their website I called to order it. The price was good and I > > had the cash available. I've got most of the parts to build it up and > > have been wanting something a little heavier duty than my Hilsen for > > touring and bike camping. I spoke with Keven and he basically talked > > me out of the SH frame advising that I wait a few months for the new > > improved Hillbornes with double TTs. Some things Keven mentioned to me > > that aren't in Grant's email were that besides having double TTs the > > TT length would be a tad shorter and the tire clearance would be even > > more generous. Grant doesn't allude to those changes in the email but > > I hope they're true. > > > I'll most likely hold off a little bit before I pull the trigger. I > > want to know more about the Taiwanese Atlantis'--price, geometry, and > > ETA. > > > The Simpleone sounds great too. > > > 2010 is looking good. > > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
Shellac on grips is hardly new. I suspect if there were a practical alternative, it would have been found out by now. Which color/brand shellac have you tried? I used a fairly weak mix of the blonde flakes VO sells on a set of Riv Portuguese cork grips. It brought out the grain and base color, but otherwise did not change the look of the cork. I cannot really feel the difference from it and a non-treated cork grip. Of course, I probably will not have quite the dirt protection one gets from the heavier Bulls-Eye shellac. On Nov 28, 6:27 pm, Ray wrote: > Funny the cork grip thing came up (Great tactile minds think alike?). > I was going to post the following question: > > What range of treatment do tou cork users put on the product? I have > typically shellaced mine, but I'm always disappointed afterwards with > the feel and look. Certainly I know you can use them just as untreated > cork, but what about alternatives to shellac or varnish? I'm thinking > bee's wax, linseed, or. . . (help me out, folks) > > Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv frames 2010
On Nov 28, 12:28 pm, Aaron Thomas wrote: > It's possible that the email went out to members only. I am a member > and received it, but a friend who let his membership lapse didn't. > Agree, I use to be a member mainly for the Reader and didn't get the email either. Once Grant decided to offer it for free online or for purchase separately, I didn't see any benefits to continuing it. I guess receiving an early email is one of the benefits. Thanks to Jim for posting it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Windy Sunday Near Davis, CA
Check out this video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhhmTAjNfQ&feature=youtube_gdata --Eric Norris Sent via iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv frames 2010
on 11/29/09 9:24 AM, bfd at bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: > Agree, I use to be a member mainly for the Reader and didn't get the > email either. Once Grant decided to offer it for free online or for > purchase separately, I didn't see any benefits to continuing it. I > guess receiving an early email is one of the benefits. Thanks to Jim > for posting it! my pleasure zapped out a quick "archive" version last night with links - http://cyclofiend.com/rbw#latest - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Get your photos posted: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "Then I sat up, wiped the water out of my eyes, and looked at my bike, and just like that I knew it was dead" -- Robert McCammon, "Boy's Life" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddle Review
Ditto on the suggestion for B17 owners to spend time playing with the tilt if you're having sliding trouble. The right tilt appears to be very much a function of how upright your position is. More upright, more nose up. I don't have a particularly upright position - handlebar tops a bit below saddle on most of my bikes, and I find I need the nose higher than the tail. The pictures of of John's Toei with the Brooks show a pretty extreme nose-down position. In my experience, people are reluctant to bring the nose up as high as it really needs to be. My wife complained about sliding forward on the B67 on her Glorius and I ended up raising the nose to what I thought was a ridiculous amount. "Eureka!" Instant comfort and joy. Personally, my biggest problem with B17 saddles is the amount they warp and twist. Ted Durant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddle Review
Do you know the dimensions of the Berthoud "race" saddle? It sounds promising. Has anyone compared the current Berthoud saddle with the Brooks Swift? Cheers, Ryan On Nov 29, 2009, at 2:55, Pete wrote: > Thanks for the review and for charring pictures of such beautiful > piece of art! > The cork version certainly look the business but I'm also not to fond > of the plastic rear. I'll will wait for the the narrow race version > that will be available soon, problem is there doesn't seem to be any > saddle bag mounts: > http://wallbike.com/blog/2009/09/02/new-berthoud-race-saddle/ > Cork: > http://www.core77.com/gallery/EUROBIKE%20SHOW%202009/92.asp?current_image_number=57¤t_photo_id=13766&album_id=108&context_id=1 > Another review: > http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/gilles-berthoud-gents-leather-saddle-first-ride/4567.html > > On 29 Nov, 04:47, Aaron Thomas wrote: >> John, >> >> Thanks for posting the saddle review. But even more thanks to the >> link >> of pics of your fine bike. I really like what you did with the red >> tape and amber shellac. The ruby color is quite elegant. >> >> Aaron >> >> On Nov 28, 7:30 pm, eflayer wrote: >> >>> if your Brooks was set up correctly, you would not slide in one >>> direction of the other. You would be cradled nicely in the crotch >>> of >>> the banana...so to speak. Not saying your current choice is not the >>> best for you, but the sweet spot for a Brooks may not be easy to >>> find. And thanks for the review and good luck on that fine new >>> saddle. >> >>> On Nov 28, 7:02 pm, John Ferguson wrote: >> Hi all, >> I've had a chance to ride 500 or 600 miles on a Berthoud saddle. To say I'm quite pleased would be an understatement, so I wrote a little review. >> Apologies to those of you who saw this elsewhere. >> http://tinyurl.com/yz98jdo >> John > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- > bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Anne Mustoe obit (slightly OT but in Riv spirit)
Excellent. Thanks. From: Forrest To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 9:10:24 AM Subject: [RBW] Anne Mustoe obit (slightly OT but in Riv spirit) Not completely on topic, but very much in the Riv spirit, I think. British headmistress takes up cycling at age 54 and circumnavigates globe (the land parts) by bicycle. An inspiring life. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article6935356.ece -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddle Review
Sorry Ryan, I only know what you can read in those links. My guess is it's very close to the Brooks Swift/Swallow witch are great for a more forward leaning position: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/saddles/brooks-swift.html Like John mentioned in he's review there will also be matching leather bar tape and bar end plugs. But I'd like to use cotton bar tape and shellac so I might get the natural hide and dye it brown. One detail that I find particularly interesting is that the rails allow the saddle to be mounted one or two cm further back. The usable part of the rails on my Swift are a bit short and my Mercian on the verge of being to small. More Berthoud pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallblog/3904651113/in/set-72157620611802884/ On Nov 29, 7:26 pm, "rswat...@me.com" wrote: > Do you know the dimensions of the Berthoud "race" saddle? It sounds > promising. > Has anyone compared the current Berthoud saddle with the Brooks Swift? > > Cheers, > Ryan > > On Nov 29, 2009, at 2:55, Pete wrote: > > > Thanks for the review and for charring pictures of such beautiful > > piece of art! > > The cork version certainly look the business but I'm also not to fond > > of the plastic rear. I'll will wait for the the narrow race version > > that will be available soon, problem is there doesn't seem to be any > > saddle bag mounts: > >http://wallbike.com/blog/2009/09/02/new-berthoud-race-saddle/ > > Cork: > >http://www.core77.com/gallery/EUROBIKE%20SHOW%202009/92.asp?current_i... > > Another review: > >http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/gilles-berthoud-gents-leather-... > > > On 29 Nov, 04:47, Aaron Thomas wrote: > >> John, > > >> Thanks for posting the saddle review. But even more thanks to the > >> link > >> of pics of your fine bike. I really like what you did with the red > >> tape and amber shellac. The ruby color is quite elegant. > > >> Aaron > > >> On Nov 28, 7:30 pm, eflayer wrote: > > >>> if your Brooks was set up correctly, you would not slide in one > >>> direction of the other. You would be cradled nicely in the crotch > >>> of > >>> the banana...so to speak. Not saying your current choice is not the > >>> best for you, but the sweet spot for a Brooks may not be easy to > >>> find. And thanks for the review and good luck on that fine new > >>> saddle. > > >>> On Nov 28, 7:02 pm, John Ferguson wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've had a chance to ride 500 or 600 miles on a Berthoud saddle. To > say I'm quite pleased would be an understatement, so I wrote a > little > review. > > Apologies to those of you who saw this elsewhere. > > http://tinyurl.com/yz98jdo > > John > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- > > bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en > > . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddle Review
"The pictures of of John's Toei with the Brooks show a pretty extreme nose-down position" That was one of many unsuccessful experiments in positioning that saddle. I'm just not comfortable in the crotch of the banana :-) Again, as I emphasized--saddles are a very individual choice. I think if you compare a Brooks and a Berthoud, it's clear which one is better constructed. However, quality is really a secondary consideration. Considering how much time I spend on a bike, even if the Brooks had to be replaced every 2 years because of shoddy construction, I'd use it if it were more comfortable. Luckily the Berthoud works better for my backside. In fact, I was impressed enough to write the review (something I'd never ordinarily bother doing). Your mileage may vary. John On Nov 29, 1:27 pm, RonaTD wrote: > Ditto on the suggestion for B17 owners to spend time playing with the > tilt if you're having sliding trouble. The right tilt appears to be > very much a function of how upright your position is. More upright, > more nose up. I don't have a particularly upright position - handlebar > tops a bit below saddle on most of my bikes, and I find I need the > nose higher than the tail. The pictures of of John's Toei with the > Brooks show a pretty extreme nose-down position. In my experience, > people are reluctant to bring the nose up as high as it really needs > to be. My wife complained about sliding forward on the B67 on her > Glorius and I ended up raising the nose to what I thought was a > ridiculous amount. "Eureka!" Instant comfort and joy. > > Personally, my biggest problem with B17 saddles is the amount they > warp and twist. > > Ted Durant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddle Review
John, your not alone. I've bought four Swift saddles as good as new from people who for various reasons didn't get on with them. I also had trouble with setting up the first one and ended up moving it all the way back and raised the nose slightly. From then on it's has been very comfy and just getting better each year. On Nov 29, 9:36 pm, John Ferguson wrote: > "The pictures of of John's Toei with the > Brooks show a pretty extreme nose-down position" > > That was one of many unsuccessful experiments in positioning that > saddle. I'm just not comfortable in the crotch of the banana :-) > > Again, as I emphasized--saddles are a very individual choice. I think > if you compare a Brooks and a Berthoud, it's clear which one is better > constructed. > > However, quality is really a secondary consideration. Considering how > much time I spend on a bike, even if the Brooks had to be replaced > every 2 years because of shoddy construction, I'd use it if it were > more comfortable. > > Luckily the Berthoud works better for my backside. In fact, I was > impressed enough to write the review (something I'd never ordinarily > bother doing). Your mileage may vary. > > John > > On Nov 29, 1:27 pm, RonaTD wrote: > > > Ditto on the suggestion for B17 owners to spend time playing with the > > tilt if you're having sliding trouble. The right tilt appears to be > > very much a function of how upright your position is. More upright, > > more nose up. I don't have a particularly upright position - handlebar > > tops a bit below saddle on most of my bikes, and I find I need the > > nose higher than the tail. The pictures of of John's Toei with the > > Brooks show a pretty extreme nose-down position. In my experience, > > people are reluctant to bring the nose up as high as it really needs > > to be. My wife complained about sliding forward on the B67 on her > > Glorius and I ended up raising the nose to what I thought was a > > ridiculous amount. "Eureka!" Instant comfort and joy. > > > Personally, my biggest problem with B17 saddles is the amount they > > warp and twist. > > > Ted Durant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Dura Ace stuff for sale
Dura Ace stuff for sale. All prices include insurance and shipping in the continental US. PayPal. If these prices are out of line, let me know, but these seemed relatively appropriate to me. Please contact me offlist! Thanks- NOS Dura Ace 7400 stem, new in box with allen wrench. quill, 110mm long, 26.0mm clamp. (hidden clamp bolt) $60 NOS Dura Ace 7400 front hub, with correct NOS DA skewer 32 spoke holes $45 Dura Ace 7703 triple group, 9speed about 1000 miles on this bike, before I 'hung it up' L&R STI levers derailleurs crankset, 30-39-53t 7703 BB, for English BB shell I have the 7703 front derailleur in two clamp sizes- the 31.8mm version has the mileage, the 28.6mm is brand new. Which ever one you need, though if you are building up a Roadeo, you'll probably go for the 28.6. The condition of all the components is nearly perfect. really. Levers and RD are beautiful, they look new. The inside of FD has normal usage from, well, derailling. And there are some normal, minor scratches on the cranks from pedaling and laying the bike down, on that side. Everything is shiny, very nice. $230 Dura Ace 7402 single pivot brake calipers, 39-49mm reach (not Roadeo compatible!) Again, really nice condition, about 1000 (sunny southern California) miles. Kool Stop Salmon Continental pads $50 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddle Review
If I may put a plug in for another alternative, it's the Selle Anatomica either with or without the slot - without the slot, it's quite cheap, long lasting, and very very comfortable. They're 70.00 new. I have found with the Brooks, once they get rained on and molded into the "wrong" shape, it's hard to get them out of that ridge in the center shape; but sometimes the rain actually helps break them in. I have one that's almost 30 years old, and while it's beat up, it's quite comfortable; then I have a 2 year old one that was great til it had the knife blade profile from rain...since then, un changeable. Contrarily the selle anatomicas were great right out of the box, and only have gotten better. The first one I got on ebay has the slot, and the seller was nice enough to toss in matching leather bar tape; the next 2 were new and without the slot, and are equally comfortable right out of the box; and they seem to have a long life span as well. On Nov 29, 4:31 pm, Pete wrote: > John, your not alone. I've bought four Swift saddles as good as new > from people who for various reasons didn't get on with them. I also > had trouble with setting up the first one and ended up moving it all > the way back and raised the nose slightly. From then on it's has been > very comfy and just getting better each year. > > On Nov 29, 9:36 pm, John Ferguson wrote: > > > > > "The pictures of of John's Toei with the > > Brooks show a pretty extreme nose-down position" > > > That was one of many unsuccessful experiments in positioning that > > saddle. I'm just not comfortable in the crotch of the banana :-) > > > Again, as I emphasized--saddles are a very individual choice. I think > > if you compare a Brooks and a Berthoud, it's clear which one is better > > constructed. > > > However, quality is really a secondary consideration. Considering how > > much time I spend on a bike, even if the Brooks had to be replaced > > every 2 years because of shoddy construction, I'd use it if it were > > more comfortable. > > > Luckily the Berthoud works better for my backside. In fact, I was > > impressed enough to write the review (something I'd never ordinarily > > bother doing). Your mileage may vary. > > > John > > > On Nov 29, 1:27 pm, RonaTD wrote: > > > > Ditto on the suggestion for B17 owners to spend time playing with the > > > tilt if you're having sliding trouble. The right tilt appears to be > > > very much a function of how upright your position is. More upright, > > > more nose up. I don't have a particularly upright position - handlebar > > > tops a bit below saddle on most of my bikes, and I find I need the > > > nose higher than the tail. The pictures of of John's Toei with the > > > Brooks show a pretty extreme nose-down position. In my experience, > > > people are reluctant to bring the nose up as high as it really needs > > > to be. My wife complained about sliding forward on the B67 on her > > > Glorius and I ended up raising the nose to what I thought was a > > > ridiculous amount. "Eureka!" Instant comfort and joy. > > > > Personally, my biggest problem with B17 saddles is the amount they > > > warp and twist. > > > > Ted Durant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tail Light Query
Here in Europe I think most agree that Busch & Müller has the best quality rear lights: http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html?docu/175q-e.htm There are two other makers that shadow B&M's assortment and are quite good: http://axabasta.intermix5.nl/cat/front/items.asp?level=2&id=2 http://www.trelock.de/web/de/index.php I know it's not what your looking for but do consider the type that mount out of the way to the rack. The large built in reflectors really does a great job of alerting oncoming traffic and they are often compatible with dynamos. With a simple diy clamp they also fit to the seat or bag. Most German webshops has them in store at good prices. On Nov 29, 1:12 pm, Angus wrote: > George, > > I have Spanninga's on both my All-Rounder and Atlantis. The look > good, have a reflector, but IMHO are not nearly as bright as the more > recent LED tail lights such as the Plant Bike Superflash or Cateye TL- > LD1100. > > Angus > > On Nov 28, 11:54 am, George Strickler wrote: > > > I want to put a battery tail light on my Rambouillet. I want one that > > will attach to the rear fender but not look too garish/Electra. I > > have stainless Berthouds. Suggestions? > > GeorgeS > > New Orleans -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Fitting adjustments - stems and the effect they have on fit and handling...
Hi all, I just spent a couple of hours this morning putting back the Noodle bars after trying the Randonneur 45cm handlebar and not liking it as it's too narrow. I first tried the 48cm Noodoe with the 10cm stem I already had; I'd been riding the Noodles with a 9cm stem and feeling a lot of hand pain and discomfort since I got the AHH. Going on a short test ride, I could feel my hands hurting right away and my back strained. The actual position didn't feel too weird, but I could tell that if this is how I was feeling after 10 - 15 minutes of riding, after an hour it would be much worse. I then came back home and decided to go straight for the 8cm stem I had gotten last week to see if it improved my problems. By this point, I'm getting to be an expert at just removing the right shifter without having to remove the cable (just pull the cable all the way, and then without pedaling push it back all the way in so there will be extra cable that allows you to remove the shifter but leave it hanging), although to remove the handlebar from the stem I have to remove the stem first in order not to have to undo the front brake. I've been testing it without cabling the rear brake. Everything in my head tells me that the 8cm stem should be too short, but as soon as I start riding, the magic clicks in! It is totally unbelievable... the shoulders relax, the back relaxes, the hands feel significantly less pressure, it all just falls right into its proper place. I don't know about you, but once you have experienced that feeling, you know you've nailed the position. There might still be a small bit of adjustment here and there, minute handlebar rotation, minute stem height adjustments, but you know you've got it. That is exactly how I felt, and you can bet that's how I'm going to be running it now and see what happens on longer rides. I'm still waiting for the Surly rear cable hanger I ordered from VO, so the Racer brakes will replace the Silvers when the hanger arrives, hopefully by next weekend. Now, besides feeling that position magic, I did detect a "difference" in how the 10 vs 8cm stems feel when turning the bicycle. I'm not sure I can explain it properly, and I certainly didn't have the option to try the same turns with two identical bikes with different stems, but it somehow felt that with the 8cm stem, I had to "work" the bike more if I wanted to take an aggressive turn. With the 10cm stem, it seemed like it was easier (less effort) to take the turns. This was a bit surprising to me, since I know from mountain biking that a shorter stem makes the handling more responsive and nervous, but then again, the handling of the AHH is completely different from what I was used to riding. I can't say I don't like how the bike turns with the 8cm stem, in fact, after the 15 minute test ride I had completely adjusted to how it handled, and that feeling of comfort was just so amazing... :-) So, does my experience in terms on how shorter vs. longer stems match yours? I know fit is very personal, and I think the 8cm is going to be the right one for me on the AHH, but I wonder if I've missed anything. I have yet to test how lowering the shorter stem a bit does to the handling and the comfort, but I'm sure many others will have additional feedback or can benefit from these "experiments". I now need to drive my daughter back to Berkeley, but when I come back I'll install the cables and tape up the handlebars to go on a longer ride. Can't believe tomorrow is Monday again... :-( René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Dura Ace stuff for sale
The DA triple levers, derailleurs, and cranks group has been sold. Sale on the stem is pending. Dura Ace stuff for sale. All prices include insurance and shipping in the continental US. PayPal. If these prices are out of line, let me know, but these seemed relatively appropriate to me. Please contact me offlist! Thanks- NOS Dura Ace 7400 stem, new in box with allen wrench. quill, 110mm long, 26.0mm clamp. (hidden clamp bolt) $60 NOS Dura Ace 7400 front hub, with correct NOS DA skewer 32 spoke holes $45 Dura Ace 7402 single pivot brake calipers, 39-49mm reach (not Roadeo compatible!) Again, really nice condition, about 1000 (sunny southern California) miles. Kool Stop Salmon Continental pads $50 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fitting adjustments - stems and the effect they have on fit and handling...
you are having an interesting experience. it is hard to comment, even though I am commenting. too many variables to be able to provide much feedback. you don't say size of bike, bar drop below saddle or not, a Brooks saddle with short rails can screw up all mm adjustments. i just replaced a modern saddle with a brooks and went from a 9 cm stem to a 12...on three bikes. i am also moving forward as, after many years sitting back, i am finding a better pedal stroke further forward on the bike. i ride big bikes to get more headtube, get the bars a couple of cm's above saddle height. i might guess, if you are using drop bars and an 8 cm stem, it either is a good fit for you body dimensions, or you frame is too "long". just a guess. if you are smiling while you are riding...most of the time...it's all working correctly. nothing like like hand or butt ache to wreck looking at the scenery. On Nov 29, 2:13 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > Hi all, > > I just spent a couple of hours this morning putting back the Noodle bars > after trying the Randonneur 45cm handlebar and not liking it as it's too > narrow. I first tried the 48cm Noodoe with the 10cm stem I already had; I'd > been riding the Noodles with a 9cm stem and feeling a lot of hand pain and > discomfort since I got the AHH. Going on a short test ride, I could feel my > hands hurting right away and my back strained. The actual position didn't > feel too weird, but I could tell that if this is how I was feeling after 10 > - 15 minutes of riding, after an hour it would be much worse. > > I then came back home and decided to go straight for the 8cm stem I had > gotten last week to see if it improved my problems. By this point, I'm > getting to be an expert at just removing the right shifter without having to > remove the cable (just pull the cable all the way, and then without pedaling > push it back all the way in so there will be extra cable that allows you to > remove the shifter but leave it hanging), although to remove the handlebar > from the stem I have to remove the stem first in order not to have to undo > the front brake. I've been testing it without cabling the rear brake. > > Everything in my head tells me that the 8cm stem should be too short, but as > soon as I start riding, the magic clicks in! It is totally unbelievable... > the shoulders relax, the back relaxes, the hands feel significantly less > pressure, it all just falls right into its proper place. I don't know about > you, but once you have experienced that feeling, you know you've nailed the > position. There might still be a small bit of adjustment here and there, > minute handlebar rotation, minute stem height adjustments, but you know > you've got it. > > That is exactly how I felt, and you can bet that's how I'm going to be > running it now and see what happens on longer rides. I'm still waiting for > the Surly rear cable hanger I ordered from VO, so the Racer brakes will > replace the Silvers when the hanger arrives, hopefully by next weekend. > > Now, besides feeling that position magic, I did detect a "difference" in how > the 10 vs 8cm stems feel when turning the bicycle. I'm not sure I can > explain it properly, and I certainly didn't have the option to try the same > turns with two identical bikes with different stems, but it somehow felt > that with the 8cm stem, I had to "work" the bike more if I wanted to take an > aggressive turn. With the 10cm stem, it seemed like it was easier (less > effort) to take the turns. This was a bit surprising to me, since I know > from mountain biking that a shorter stem makes the handling more responsive > and nervous, but then again, the handling of the AHH is completely different > from what I was used to riding. I can't say I don't like how the bike turns > with the 8cm stem, in fact, after the 15 minute test ride I had completely > adjusted to how it handled, and that feeling of comfort was just so > amazing... :-) > > So, does my experience in terms on how shorter vs. longer stems match yours? > I know fit is very personal, and I think the 8cm is going to be the right > one for me on the AHH, but I wonder if I've missed anything. I have yet to > test how lowering the shorter stem a bit does to the handling and the > comfort, but I'm sure many others will have additional feedback or can > benefit from these "experiments". > > I now need to drive my daughter back to Berkeley, but when I come back I'll > install the cables and tape up the handlebars to go on a longer ride. > > Can't believe tomorrow is Monday again... :-( > > René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv frames 2010
I did get the Rivendell Crew email, but I'm not an official due-paying member, so I gather that getting that email means either that you've bought something from them in the last X years, or that you've signed up on their website on the top right hand corner of the rivbike.com homepage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Post Thanksgiving Ride Cue Sheet
A pretty detailed set of maps and directions for the Post Thanksgiving Ride is available here: http://campyonly.com/shorts/2009/PTR2009.docx http://campyonly.com/shorts/2009/PTR2009.pdf Note that the directions don't include the first part of the course, from Davis to Winters (the riders on the PTR have all done this a bunch of times). Basically, follow Russell Blvd and Putah Creek Road to Winters, then get on Hwy 128 toward Lake Berryessa. Continue straight onto Hwy 121 where Hwy 128 turns to the right. Continue on 121 into Napa. Some other notes: -- We got off Hwy 12 for a while by detouring on Napa Road. There are a few ways to get off 12--take them, because the traffic is generally lower off the highway. -- We opted not to take the hilly return at the end, and continued into Fairfax after Lake Nicasio rather than climbing up to Lake Alpine. Email me if you have any questions! --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fitting adjustments - stems and the effect they have on fit and handling...
I also did an experiment with stem length and riding posture today. There's a long explanation below, but the gist of the story is that I've found that the arch of my upper back seems to have a great effect on my ideal stem length. For the past seven years, I've happily been riding an early 1980s Nishiki Olympic with either dove bars or generic 3-speed "North Road" bars (I didn't do the conversion, so I'm not sure what the exact model or brand is, and I haven't measured the stem length, unfortunately!). I originally switched to upright bars because I felt like the drop bars were always too far away (because of this back problem, I have to ride on the hoods so as not to turn my wrists in ). I used to own an MB-2 that I had converted from moustache bars because I couldn't get the stem short enough -- I eventually switched to Albatross bars, but finally sold it when I decided that the long top tube just wasn't ideal. My biggest concern has always been trying to get a shorter stem to get the bars closer, even though I have a longer-than-average torso for my height. I was off of my bike for the past two months because of a bad flare-up of some ongoing upper back problems, and in my recent physical therapy, I was told that my upper back is too flat (spine stuck forward), and that I should try stretching my thoracic spine by arching it backward (the "cat" pose in the cat-cow yoga position). I was first able to get back on my bike by adopting that arched-back position while riding. The most dramatic thing I noticed is that now I find myself riding naturally on the bends of the dove bars, a full 5 centimeters farther forward than I had before. Indeed, in this improved position, I can barely hold onto the grips as far back as they are and I may need to get a longer stem. I've known for a while that tiny adjustments -- bar angles, saddle heights -- can affect overall riding posture, and I even had some indication that my back's straight-to-concave posture while riding was not ideal (just by comparing myself to much more skilled riders on the road). But I must say that I am impressed by the difference such a subtle shift has made. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Fitting adjustments - stems and the effect they have on fit and handling...
Yeah, I know what you mean... :-) I'm riding a 60 Homer, that pretty much fits perfectly according to the folks at Rivendell. Mark fit me on my first visit there in September. I'm riding a B17 saddle with the post pretty much in the middle of the available rail space, give or take a few mm. I'm running the handlebars higher than the saddle, the exposed quill is 14cm. as it is. I don't know if I have weird body dimensions, or just lack of flexibility especially in my neck and shoulders. For years, every time I rode my road bikes I would end up with neck and left shoulder pain, and I tried everything I could. Obviously I couldn't get the handlebars higher than the saddle, but managed to get them within a cm or so below saddle level. I would constantly be looking at the road in front of my wheel, as looking forward at the horizon would tire my neck very quickly. Always felt I was falling forward as well, so I tried pushing the saddle back, getting super setback seat posts, etc. All to no avail; if the super set back helped me with the pressure on my hands, then my knees hurt. Tried all sort of saddles and have quite a few I'll be selling shortly (non-leather). Tried longer and shorter stems, different handlebars, etc. I have long arms (based on how I need to shop for shirts) but don't know if my torso is shorter. My PBH is 90.5 and I'm 5'11". I really enjoy the new posion that the Rivendell geometry allows me, and my only remnant of pain/discomfort was with my hands. Even the B17 feels great as I've played with its angle quite a bit and unless I'm riding on the drops, the nose high setup feels great and I'm no longer sliding forward on it as I used to when I started riding it. After my last first and only video fit (before going Rivendell), the fitter put me on 9cm stems on my road bikes (still couldn't raise the handlebar) and while the neck and shoulders felt more relaxed, I was still having so much pressure on my hands (lower handlebars closer to the body) that I couldn't stand it. Now that the 8cm stem is higher and on a bike with a longer top tube by a couple of cms., it seems as if I've found the magic spot. I'll know more as I continue to ride it more and longer in the next few days and will report back. If you want to see pictures of my AHH (with the Noodle bars and 9cm stem as it was originally, you can check them out here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157622508702300/ I'll post more photos in a few days. René On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 5:26 PM, eflayer wrote: > you are having an interesting experience. it is hard to comment, even > though I am commenting. too many variables to be able to provide much > feedback. > > you don't say size of bike, bar drop below saddle or not, a Brooks > saddle with short rails can screw up all mm adjustments. > > i just replaced a modern saddle with a brooks and went from a 9 cm > stem to a 12...on three bikes. i am also moving forward as, after > many years sitting back, i am finding a better pedal stroke further > forward on the bike. > > i ride big bikes to get more headtube, get the bars a couple of cm's > above saddle height. > > i might guess, if you are using drop bars and an 8 cm stem, it either > is a good fit for you body dimensions, or you frame is too "long". > > just a guess. > > if you are smiling while you are riding...most of the time...it's all > working correctly. > > nothing like like hand or butt ache to wreck looking at the scenery. > > > > On Nov 29, 2:13 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I just spent a couple of hours this morning putting back the Noodle bars > > after trying the Randonneur 45cm handlebar and not liking it as it's too > > narrow. I first tried the 48cm Noodoe with the 10cm stem I already had; > I'd > > been riding the Noodles with a 9cm stem and feeling a lot of hand pain > and > > discomfort since I got the AHH. Going on a short test ride, I could feel > my > > hands hurting right away and my back strained. The actual position didn't > > feel too weird, but I could tell that if this is how I was feeling after > 10 > > - 15 minutes of riding, after an hour it would be much worse. > > > > I then came back home and decided to go straight for the 8cm stem I had > > gotten last week to see if it improved my problems. By this point, I'm > > getting to be an expert at just removing the right shifter without having > to > > remove the cable (just pull the cable all the way, and then without > pedaling > > push it back all the way in so there will be extra cable that allows you > to > > remove the shifter but leave it hanging), although to remove the > handlebar > > from the stem I have to remove the stem first in order not to have to > undo > > the front brake. I've been testing it without cabling the rear brake. > > > > Everything in my head tells me that the 8cm stem should be too short, but > as > > soon as I start riding, the magic clicks in! It is totally > unbelievable... > > the shoulders r
[RBW] Re: Fitting adjustments - stems and the effect they have on fit and handling...
interesting. i'm 5'11", just sold a perfect fitting 59 Bleriot. Prior to selling, I had just dialed it in perfectly for me, and the B17. And that was with a 12cm Nitto Deluxe at about 3 cm's above saddle height, also I use a seatpost with a lot of setback. I am 59 years old, not too fat, not too flexible, but work out regularly. to each their own I guess. Wonder how your bike would look and how you would feel if your top tube was shorter and you had more stem extension. regardless, enjoy the ride. On Nov 29, 7:16 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > Yeah, I know what you mean... :-) > > I'm riding a 60 Homer, that pretty much fits perfectly according to the > folks at Rivendell. Mark fit me on my first visit there in September. I'm > riding a B17 saddle with the post pretty much in the middle of the available > rail space, give or take a few mm. I'm running the handlebars higher than > the saddle, the exposed quill is 14cm. as it is. > > I don't know if I have weird body dimensions, or just lack of flexibility > especially in my neck and shoulders. For years, every time I rode my road > bikes I would end up with neck and left shoulder pain, and I tried > everything I could. Obviously I couldn't get the handlebars higher than the > saddle, but managed to get them within a cm or so below saddle level. I > would constantly be looking at the road in front of my wheel, as looking > forward at the horizon would tire my neck very quickly. Always felt I was > falling forward as well, so I tried pushing the saddle back, getting super > setback seat posts, etc. All to no avail; if the super set back helped me > with the pressure on my hands, then my knees hurt. Tried all sort of saddles > and have quite a few I'll be selling shortly (non-leather). Tried longer and > shorter stems, different handlebars, etc. I have long arms (based on how I > need to shop for shirts) but don't know if my torso is shorter. My PBH is > 90.5 and I'm 5'11". > > I really enjoy the new posion that the Rivendell geometry allows me, and my > only remnant of pain/discomfort was with my hands. Even the B17 feels great > as I've played with its angle quite a bit and unless I'm riding on the > drops, the nose high setup feels great and I'm no longer sliding forward on > it as I used to when I started riding it. > > After my last first and only video fit (before going Rivendell), the fitter > put me on 9cm stems on my road bikes (still couldn't raise the handlebar) > and while the neck and shoulders felt more relaxed, I was still having so > much pressure on my hands (lower handlebars closer to the body) that I > couldn't stand it. Now that the 8cm stem is higher and on a bike with a > longer top tube by a couple of cms., it seems as if I've found the magic > spot. I'll know more as I continue to ride it more and longer in the next > few days and will report back. > > If you want to see pictures of my AHH (with the Noodle bars and 9cm stem as > it was originally, you can check them out > here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157622508702300/ > > I'll post more photos in a few days. > > René > > > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 5:26 PM, eflayer wrote: > > you are having an interesting experience. it is hard to comment, even > > though I am commenting. too many variables to be able to provide much > > feedback. > > > you don't say size of bike, bar drop below saddle or not, a Brooks > > saddle with short rails can screw up all mm adjustments. > > > i just replaced a modern saddle with a brooks and went from a 9 cm > > stem to a 12...on three bikes. i am also moving forward as, after > > many years sitting back, i am finding a better pedal stroke further > > forward on the bike. > > > i ride big bikes to get more headtube, get the bars a couple of cm's > > above saddle height. > > > i might guess, if you are using drop bars and an 8 cm stem, it either > > is a good fit for you body dimensions, or you frame is too "long". > > > just a guess. > > > if you are smiling while you are riding...most of the time...it's all > > working correctly. > > > nothing like like hand or butt ache to wreck looking at the scenery. > > > On Nov 29, 2:13 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I just spent a couple of hours this morning putting back the Noodle bars > > > after trying the Randonneur 45cm handlebar and not liking it as it's too > > > narrow. I first tried the 48cm Noodoe with the 10cm stem I already had; > > I'd > > > been riding the Noodles with a 9cm stem and feeling a lot of hand pain > > and > > > discomfort since I got the AHH. Going on a short test ride, I could feel > > my > > > hands hurting right away and my back strained. The actual position didn't > > > feel too weird, but I could tell that if this is how I was feeling after > > 10 > > > - 15 minutes of riding, after an hour it would be much worse. > > > > I then came back home and decided to go straight for the 8cm stem I had > > > gotten last week to see if it improved my
[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddle Review
According to the Wallingford Bike Parts website, the Berthoud men's saddle measures 162 x 277. The Berthoud woman's saddle measures 162 x 247. It appears a Bethoud racing saddle is not available, at least for now. On Nov 29, 12:26 pm, "rswat...@me.com" wrote: > Do you know the dimensions of the Berthoud "race" saddle? It sounds > promising. > Has anyone compared the current Berthoud saddle with the Brooks Swift? > > Cheers, > Ryan > > On Nov 29, 2009, at 2:55, Pete wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the review and for charring pictures of such beautiful > > piece of art! > > The cork version certainly look the business but I'm also not to fond > > of the plastic rear. I'll will wait for the the narrow race version > > that will be available soon, problem is there doesn't seem to be any > > saddle bag mounts: > >http://wallbike.com/blog/2009/09/02/new-berthoud-race-saddle/ > > Cork: > >http://www.core77.com/gallery/EUROBIKE%20SHOW%202009/92.asp?current_i... > > Another review: > >http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/gear-news/gilles-berthoud-gents-leather-... > > > On 29 Nov, 04:47, Aaron Thomas wrote: > >> John, > > >> Thanks for posting the saddle review. But even more thanks to the > >> link > >> of pics of your fine bike. I really like what you did with the red > >> tape and amber shellac. The ruby color is quite elegant. > > >> Aaron > > >> On Nov 28, 7:30 pm, eflayer wrote: > > >>> if your Brooks was set up correctly, you would not slide in one > >>> direction of the other. You would be cradled nicely in the crotch > >>> of > >>> the banana...so to speak. Not saying your current choice is not the > >>> best for you, but the sweet spot for a Brooks may not be easy to > >>> find. And thanks for the review and good luck on that fine new > >>> saddle. > > >>> On Nov 28, 7:02 pm, John Ferguson wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've had a chance to ride 500 or 600 miles on a Berthoud saddle. To > say I'm quite pleased would be an understatement, so I wrote a > little > review. > > Apologies to those of you who saw this elsewhere. > > http://tinyurl.com/yz98jdo > > John > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- > > bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en > > .- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv frames 2010
I second Nicole, not a member but have purchased in the last year and signed up on the website and recieved the recent email On Nov 29, 5:50 pm, "Nicole E." wrote: > I did get the Rivendell Crew email, but I'm not an official due-paying > member, so I gather that getting that email means either that you've > bought something from them in the last X years, or that you've signed > up on their website on the top right hand corner of the rivbike.com > homepage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Great article of the history of cork.
http://www.velocult.com/index.php/blog/post/whats_with_the_cork_hanging_on_your_saddle/ good read -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)
Hello RBW owners, After several years of visits to RBW headquarters, drooling over the Readers, and a couple of Riv-ish bike builds, I'm proud to say that I'll be a Quickbeam owner by the end of the week! I've managed to score an orange QB frameset and I'm having the folks at Rivendell build it up for me. I was planning to go with a stock build (I really like and want to honor the original concept), plus a front rack, basket, and fenders. I do have a couple of questions to put to the group, though, before I go through with my plans: 1) Have any of you ridden with a fixed cog on flip side of the stock hub? Is it safe without a lockring and with the quick release? Have you experienced any slippage? I wouldn't be doing any skid or skip stops with two brakes, but I would probably be doing some back-pedal braking when riding fixed. 2) Seeing as this a build-up project, I have the opportunity to tweak the stock build as much as I like (or can afford). Is there anything you modified later that you wish had come on the stock bike? Any tips appreciated. Thanks in advance for any responses. It's great to be able to join this group! i.e. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)
Re 1), you can use a BB lockring on it and it works fine (or so I'm told by Rich at Riv). -Original Message- From: i.e. [mailto:ien...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:28 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction) Hello RBW owners, After several years of visits to RBW headquarters, drooling over the Readers, and a couple of Riv-ish bike builds, I'm proud to say that I'll be a Quickbeam owner by the end of the week! I've managed to score an orange QB frameset and I'm having the folks at Rivendell build it up for me. I was planning to go with a stock build (I really like and want to honor the original concept), plus a front rack, basket, and fenders. I do have a couple of questions to put to the group, though, before I go through with my plans: 1) Have any of you ridden with a fixed cog on flip side of the stock hub? Is it safe without a lockring and with the quick release? Have you experienced any slippage? I wouldn't be doing any skid or skip stops with two brakes, but I would probably be doing some back-pedal braking when riding fixed. 2) Seeing as this a build-up project, I have the opportunity to tweak the stock build as much as I like (or can afford). Is there anything you modified later that you wish had come on the stock bike? Any tips appreciated. Thanks in advance for any responses. It's great to be able to join this group! i.e. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)
on 11/29/09 8:28 PM, i.e. at ien...@gmail.com wrote: > After several years of visits to RBW headquarters, drooling over the > Readers, and a couple of Riv-ish bike builds, I'm proud to say that > I'll be a Quickbeam owner by the end of the week! Congratulations! The Quickbeam is a stunningly adaptable and wonderful model. > I've managed to score an orange QB frameset and I'm having the folks > at Rivendell build it up for me. I was planning to go with a stock > build (I really like and want to honor the original concept), plus a > front rack, basket, and fenders. I do have a couple of questions to > put to the group, though, before I go through with my plans: > > 1) Have any of you ridden with a fixed cog on flip side of the stock > hub? Is it safe without a lockring and with the quick release? Have > you experienced any slippage? I wouldn't be doing any skid or skip > stops with two brakes, but I would probably be doing some back-pedal > braking when riding fixed. I ride mine pretty exclusively in fixed gear mode when on the roads around the north SF Bay Area. Decent selection of topography and conditions. I used a spare bottom bracket lockring which I had, on the argument that it would be difficult to get the two items to spin at the same time. Rode it hard once, then tightened the lockring once and it hasn't been issue. Better yet, it even came off when I wanted to replace it. I don't skip/skid stop, but do apply moderate back pressure now and again. If you are using a quality steel QR, slippage should be minimal. > 2) Seeing as this a build-up project, I have the opportunity to tweak > the stock build as much as I like (or can afford). Is there anything > you modified later that you wish had come on the stock bike? Any tips > appreciated. There are a number of Quickbeams which are aggregated here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam The Nitto Mini-front rack is a great addition. Easy on/off. Jack Brown tires (dunno if those are stock). When setting up fenders, I'd leave the stays long in the rear until you are sure it will fit the low/low setting. I used a set of the plastic fender QR's in the back, thinking I'd need the room for remounting the tire, but I'm not sure that's necessary. There's a fixed gear ride around Paradise on Dec 5th, if it's up and running by then. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace." William Gibson - "All Tomorrow's Parties" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:28 PM, i.e. wrote: > Hello RBW owners, > > After several years of visits to RBW headquarters, drooling over the > Readers, and a couple of Riv-ish bike builds, I'm proud to say that > I'll be a Quickbeam owner by the end of the week! > > > Yeah! > 1) Have any of you ridden with a fixed cog on flip side of the stock > hub? > Yes, but not a lot of miles. No problems w/out a lockring. > > 2) Seeing as this a build-up project, I have the opportunity to tweak > the stock build as much as I like (or can afford). Is there anything > you modified later that you wish had come on the stock bike? Any tips > appreciated. > > > Paul brakes, either Neo-Retros or Touring. A bit of an up-charge, but pennies over the life of the bike. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)
Ditto on the Paul brakes. I have Neo-Retros on the front and Touring on the back (gives a little flexibility for panniers). They're wonderful. From: cyclotourist [mailto:cyclotour...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:29 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction) On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:28 PM, i.e. mailto:ien...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello RBW owners, After several years of visits to RBW headquarters, drooling over the Readers, and a couple of Riv-ish bike builds, I'm proud to say that I'll be a Quickbeam owner by the end of the week! Yeah! 1) Have any of you ridden with a fixed cog on flip side of the stock hub? Yes, but not a lot of miles. No problems w/out a lockring. 2) Seeing as this a build-up project, I have the opportunity to tweak the stock build as much as I like (or can afford). Is there anything you modified later that you wish had come on the stock bike? Any tips appreciated. Paul brakes, either Neo-Retros or Touring. A bit of an up-charge, but pennies over the life of the bike. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)
Thanks, everyone. I appreciate it. The Paul brakes look great and the bb lockring is a good tip--didn't know there was such a thing. I'm looking forward to riding freewheel again, but must admit that I got hooked on riding fixed while I was living in Japan (a happy accident and a long story). It would be nice to be able to do both on the beam. Thanks again, Isaac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] status of Atlantis?
Hi, Can someone give me a run down on the status of the Atlantis? Is Rivendell going to make size 68 cm frames again? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
