"The pictures of of John's Toei with the
Brooks show a pretty extreme nose-down position"

That was one of many unsuccessful experiments in positioning that
saddle. I'm just not comfortable in the crotch of the banana :-)

Again, as I emphasized--saddles are a very individual choice. I think
if you compare a Brooks and a Berthoud, it's clear which one is better
constructed.

However, quality is really a secondary consideration. Considering how
much time I spend on a bike, even if the Brooks had to be replaced
every 2 years because of shoddy construction, I'd use it if it were
more comfortable.

Luckily the Berthoud works better for my backside. In fact, I was
impressed enough to write the review (something I'd never ordinarily
bother doing). Your mileage may vary.

John



On Nov 29, 1:27 pm, RonaTD <teddur...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Ditto on the suggestion for B17 owners to spend time playing with the
> tilt if you're having sliding trouble. The right tilt appears to be
> very much a function of how upright your position is. More upright,
> more nose up. I don't have a particularly upright position - handlebar
> tops a bit below saddle on most of my bikes, and I find I need the
> nose higher than the tail. The pictures of of John's Toei with the
> Brooks show a pretty extreme nose-down position. In my experience,
> people are reluctant to bring the nose up as high as it really needs
> to be. My wife complained about sliding forward on the B67 on her
> Glorius and I ended up raising the nose to what I thought was a
> ridiculous amount. "Eureka!" Instant comfort and joy.
>
> Personally, my biggest problem with B17 saddles is the amount they
> warp and twist.
>
> Ted Durant

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