from:"thermate"

Russia to build nuclear power plants in India

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20070126/main1.htm

India, Russia for axis with China
Rajeev Sharma
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, January 25
India and Russia today supported their trilateral axis with China, but
opposed Beijing's January 11 testing of an anti-satellite missile
saying that they were against militarisation of space.

President Putin went on to the extent of saying that some powers (read
the USA) were trying to militarise space. "We should not let the
genie out of the bottle. That is our position," Mr Putin said at a
joint press interaction with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh after their
formal talks.

As Russian President Vladimir Putin held the seventh Indo-Russian
summit with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh at Hyderabad House here this
afternoon, it was clear that the two giant countries'
decades-old-strategic ties were taken to a significantly higher level.

The UPA government took care to give signals about its clever
diplomatic balancing vis a vis the USA and Russia and treated the Putin
visit on a par with the March 2006 visit to India by President George
W. Bush. This was demonstrated by the fact that the Prime Minister
received Mr Putin at the airport. This is only the fourth time during
his two and a half-year-long tenure that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
has cast aside the protocol to receive a foreign dignitary at the
airport.

As expected the summit talks threw up a substantive outcome in such
diverse fields as civilian, nuclear energy, space, defence, science,
advanced technology, energy, trade and culture. The two sides today
signed nine bilateral documents and adopted two more. This is over and
above the two arms deals India and Russia had signed yesterday (i) for
licensed production of Russian aircraft engines in India, and (ii) the
joint development of a new transport plane.

An important highlight in the bilateral documents signed between the
two countries was India's inclusion to GLONASS, the Russian Global
Navigation Satellite System. Now, India will have access to signals and
radio frequency of GLONASS, which is an effective alternative to the
American Global Positioning Satellite System (GPS) and the embryonic
Galileo system of the European Union.

On Jan 16, 6:44 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Below is a post repeated with interesting information. But the main
> purpose of this post is to find out how many sheeple still believe in
> the 911 fairy tale of 19 hijackers that was to be USED BY THE EVIL
> CRIMINALS TO "change the world forever" BUT IT WONT. Are we going to
> PERMIT some evil criminals in the government positions to make an
> Orwellian world of enslavement and doublespeak for us and our children
> ?
>
> 
> Journal of 911 studies:http://www.journalof911studies.com/
> =
> $1 Million Challenge/REWARD Details regarding 
> 9/11:http://reopen911.org/Contest.htm
> =
> Background info:http://st911.org/
> =
> REPUBLICANS are ANTICHRIST-FASCIST Bastards, Herbert Bush, Ronald
> Reagan and NOW Mark Foley, VIDEO 
> EVIDENCEhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=359924937663867563&q=conspira...http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm
> There are two main suspects in the child ring were Craig Spence and
> Lawrence E. King Jr. Below are some pictures of them. Both were
> involved in the Republican party. King sang the National athem at two
> republican national conventions during the 1980s. He served time in
> jail for bank fraud and is now living somewhere on the east coast.
> Spence was an important Republican lobbyist, who feared that, because
> he knew something very dark, implicating the very most powerful man in
> America, George H. W. Bush, that he would be killed by the CIA at his
> murder would be made to look like a suicide. He was later found dead in
> a hotel room - the CIA connected coroner declared the bizarre death
> -suicide. Several of his partners went to jail for being involved in
> the adult part of the homosexual sex ring. Democrats were also involved
> in this as well, so don't expect them to expose the sex ring.
>
> =
> HOW 9/11 actually may have happened , WE HAVE BEEN MADE FOOLS OF THE
> CENTURY by the media
> From:
> American Patriot Friends Network
>
> http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm
>
> The only thing to be afraid is cowardice itself. The news is spreading
> like a jungle fire.
> In your workplace, send email to everyone and anonymously about this
> site and other top sites
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Bush Ignores True Cost of Iraq war

http://www.gnn.tv/threads/22972/Bush_Ignores_True_Cost_of_Iraq_war

Bush Ignores True Cost of Iraq war
Asset H12937 Posted By GWHunta

In his State of the Union address, President Bush makes the case for
his plan to escalate the war in Iraq. He paints the potential costs of
pulling out of Iraq in stark colors. But he won't say much about the
real costs of staying in and escalating.

We should never forget the incalculable cost of the war-the lives and
the limbs of U.S. soldiers. As of this month, more than 3,000 U.S.
soldiers have died and 22,800 been wounded in this war. An estimated
35,000 Iraqi civilian lives were lost last year. A staggering
percentage have been displaced from their homes. The U.S. casualties
bring terrible grief to their families and friends, but the loss must
sober and sadden us all.

In addition, this country pays very steep economic costs-what
economists call "opportunity costs"-the costs of what is not done
with the scarce financial resources we are devoting to war in Iraq. The
price is particularly apparent as the president prepares to introduce a
budget calling for cuts in child care, in education, in health care,
and more.
[end excerpt]
Click here to read the rest of the article
GWHunta
R258778
9 hours ago
GWHunta

When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go
and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war.
~Dwight D. Eisenhower

The most successful war seldom pays for its losses.
~Thomas Jefferson

Sometimes no Peace,
~GWHunta
BetterRed
R258787
8 hours ago
BetterRed

"Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting
different results".-Albert Einstein

"It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing
but an act of murder." -Albert Einstein

"I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard
existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a
land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my
lifetime."
Albert Einstein, 1947
mikecimerian
R258790
8 hours ago
mikecimerian

Two billion a week ... and Katrina victims still pay mortgage on
wrecked houses ...
GWHunta
R258793
7 hours ago
GWHunta

15 billion a month for the "war on terror."

Not including interest on these "borrowed" funds and the health
care costs and disability payments for the veterans fretruning from
these "wars."

Also not included are the economic and social costs of the programs
that go unfunded because war is becoming the primary function of the
U.S. federal gov't.

The costs associated with the war in Iraq continue to escalate along
with the violence.

Sometimes no Peace,
johnnycivil
R258821
5 hours ago
johnnycivil

Okay, lets be real. Iraq has always been a staging ground for Iran. In
Iraq and Afghanistan we have the foundation for a strong move agaist
the meat in our murder sandwich. When we straddle Saudi Arabia to
Afghanistan we will control 70% of the easily extracable oil. Pretty or
ugly the Cheney gang are correct, own that own the nations. When
control is locked in they will say that is what drove China to attack
us, leading to the depopulating war our fearful masters always opt for.
Have a nice day.
nobinPoddywodder
R258872
33 minutes ago
nobinPoddywodder

Why do crackerjax hate Iraq so much? Why do they hate the shia's and
the kurds and try and deny them majority rule? Why do crackerjax try
and deny Iraqis the right to democracy?

Far leftists have argued many times over the past 3 years, that Iraq
would be better off under saddam, a veiled attempt at saying sunni
minority rule. Of course the far left doesn't care if minority rule
in Iraq would continue. Not only minority rule, but minority rule of a
brutal dictators. Perhaps the far left should ask Shias and Kurds
whether saddam was better.

Ok, so Iraq is a prop in your socialist revolution. Ok, the Iraqi war
offers some hope, albeit a slim one, that such a catastrophe could
trigger a socialist revolution in the West.

But this antic of the far left of pretending to actually care about
Iraqis by destroying its democracy is getting a bit tired. Pretty weird
social science if you ask me. The far left is protecting Iraq by
preventing it from modernizing and preventing it from extending
Capitalism and world economic integration.

"No War for oil" is a code word meaning, don't modernize Iraq and
don't bring Capitalsm and free foreign investment there.

Again I say, why not ask Iraqis what type of system they want.

Or for example, when iraqi terrorism against the government of Iraq is
almost entirely a sunni phenomena, the far left call the Maliki
government stooges and traitors, as if to say that the 80% of Iraq that
is either Shia or Kurd is somehow does not represent Iraq, yet a small
handful of sunni thugs, assisted by sunni Islamists from other
countries somehow do. According to the far left the sunnis who have
hitherto ruled Iraq with brutality should continue to do so. Why? Just
beca

I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of Freedom, EINSTEIN

I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of Freedom, EINSTEIN

 "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting
 different results".-Albert Einstein

 "It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing
 but an act of murder." -Albert Einstein

 "I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard
 existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a
 land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my
 lifetime."
 Albert Einstein, 1947

On Jan 25, 7:05 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> http://www.gnn.tv/threads/22972/Bush_Ignores_True_Cost_of_Iraq_war
>
> Bush Ignores True Cost of Iraq war
> Asset H12937 Posted By GWHunta
>
> In his State of the Union address, President Bush makes the case for
> his plan to escalate the war in Iraq. He paints the potential costs of
> pulling out of Iraq in stark colors. But he won't say much about the
> real costs of staying in and escalating.
>
> We should never forget the incalculable cost of the war-the lives and
> the limbs of U.S. soldiers. As of this month, more than 3,000 U.S.
> soldiers have died and 22,800 been wounded in this war. An estimated
> 35,000 Iraqi civilian lives were lost last year. A staggering
> percentage have been displaced from their homes. The U.S. casualties
> bring terrible grief to their families and friends, but the loss must
> sober and sadden us all.
>
> In addition, this country pays very steep economic costs-what
> economists call "opportunity costs"-the costs of what is not done
> with the scarce financial resources we are devoting to war in Iraq. The
> price is particularly apparent as the president prepares to introduce a
> budget calling for cuts in child care, in education, in health care,
> and more.
> [end excerpt]
> Click here to read the rest of the article
> GWHunta
> R258778
> 9 hours ago
> GWHunta
>
> When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go
> and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war.
> ~Dwight D. Eisenhower
>
> The most successful war seldom pays for its losses.
> ~Thomas Jefferson
>
> Sometimes no Peace,
> ~GWHunta
> BetterRed
> R258787
> 8 hours ago
> BetterRed
>
> "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting
> different results".-Albert Einstein
>
> "It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing
> but an act of murder." -Albert Einstein
>
> "I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard
> existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a
> land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my
> lifetime."
> Albert Einstein, 1947
> mikecimerian
> R258790
> 8 hours ago
> mikecimerian
>
> Two billion a week ... and Katrina victims still pay mortgage on
> wrecked houses ...
> GWHunta
> R258793
> 7 hours ago
> GWHunta
>
> 15 billion a month for the "war on terror."
>
> Not including interest on these "borrowed" funds and the health
> care costs and disability payments for the veterans fretruning from
> these "wars."
>
> Also not included are the economic and social costs of the programs
> that go unfunded because war is becoming the primary function of the
> U.S. federal gov't.
>
> The costs associated with the war in Iraq continue to escalate along
> with the violence.
>
> Sometimes no Peace,
> johnnycivil
> R258821
> 5 hours ago
> johnnycivil
>
> Okay, lets be real. Iraq has always been a staging ground for Iran. In
> Iraq and Afghanistan we have the foundation for a strong move agaist
> the meat in our murder sandwich. When we straddle Saudi Arabia to
> Afghanistan we will control 70% of the easily extracable oil. Pretty or
> ugly the Cheney gang are correct, own that own the nations. When
> control is locked in they will say that is what drove China to attack
> us, leading to the depopulating war our fearful masters always opt for.
> Have a nice day.
> nobinPoddywodder
> R258872
> 33 minutes ago
> nobinPoddywodder
>
> Why do crackerjax hate Iraq so much? Why do they hate the shia's and
> the kurds and try and deny them majority rule? Why do crackerjax try
> and deny Iraqis the right to democracy?
>
> Far leftists have argued many times over the past 3 years, that Iraq
> would be better off under saddam, a veiled attempt at saying sunni
> minority rule. Of course the far left doesn't care if minority rule
> in Iraq would continue. Not only minority rule, but minority rule of a
> brutal dictators. Perhaps the far left should ask Shias and Kurds
> whether saddam was better.
>
> Ok, so Iraq is a prop in your socialist revolution. Ok, the Iraqi war
> offers some hope, albeit a slim one, that such a catastrophe could
> trigger a socialist revolution in the West.
>
> But this antic of the far left of pretending to actually care about
> Iraqis by destroying its democracy is getting a bit tired. Pretty weird
> social science if you ask me. The far left is protecting I

Which BASTARD involved in Valerie Plame case? FINALLY EXPOSED

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-libby26jan26,1,2730931.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

Aide testifies Cheney helped effort to discredit Wilson
By Richard B. Schmitt, Times Staff Writer
5:27 PM PST, January 25, 2007

WASHINGTON -- Vice President Dick Cheney and his former chief of staff,
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, were personally and actively involved in an
effort to spin news coverage and discredit a critic of the Iraq war
even before the fact that his wife was a CIA operative became public, a
senior White House official testified Thursday.

In the first insider account of how top officials reacted when
questions began to be raised about the intelligence used to justify the
war, Catherine J. Martin said that at one point Cheney dictated a
detailed list of talking points to be used by Libby and others in
making calls to reporters. Martin was Cheney's top media aide at the
time and is now deputy White House director of communications for
policy and planning.

Martin testified as a prosecution witness at Libby's trial on charges
of obstructing an investigation into how the name of a CIA operative
became public. The operative, Valerie Plame, is the wife of former U.S.
envoy Joseph C. Wilson IV. Wilson, who had written a government report
questioning White House claims that Iraq had sought nuclear weapons
material from the government of Niger -- a report that the White House
sought to discredit.

At the time Libby was questioned by federal agents, a grand jury was
investigating how Plame's identity was leaked to reporters.

Martin said she learned that Plame worked for the CIA after Libby
directed her to call the agency to get more information about a
fact-finding trip Wilson had taken to Niger in February 2002. Martin
said she quickly reported the information about Plame to Libby and
Cheney.

Martin's statements buttressed the testimony of two former government
officials who said earlier this week that they received urgent calls
from Libby in June 2003 asking about Wilson and the trip. Martin was
the third prosecution witness to tell the jury that she had told Libby
that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA before it was publicly revealed in
a syndicated column by Robert Novak on July 14, 2003.

Libby had told federal agents that he had first learned from
journalists that Plame was a CIA agent.

On the third day of the Libby trial, Martin offered a rare glimpse
behind the secrecy that has surrounded senior officials of the Bush
administration involved in making and managing Iraq war policy. She
described details of a White House media strategy, hatched at the
highest levels, which sought to rebut charges that Bush had misled the
public in his 2003 State of the Union.

In making the case for war, the president had asserted that Saddam
Hussein was seeking nuclear material in Africa. Wilson had found the
claim baseless and had asserted that Cheney had apparently authorized
his fact-finding mission.

Martin said Cheney personally dictated talking points to be used in
answering news media questions about Wilson's allegation that he had
authorized a trip to Niger. The talking points included information
from a secret National Intelligence Estimate.

The vice president ordered media aides to start tracking news coverage
closely, while Libby was directed to contact reporters.

At one point, Cheney gave a note card to Libby with information to give
to a Time magazine reporter covering the case, while Cheney and Libby
were traveling on Air Force Two on the way back from the christening of
an air craft carrier for Ronald Reagan in Virginia.

Martin also described how she discussed with Libby media "options" to
rebut Wilson that included a strategic "leak" to a handful of
reporters.

But Martin said that neither Cheney nor Libby had suggested that the
identity of Plame be divulged as part of the game plan. She said that
she had no knowledge of either actually doing so.

"I recall the vice president telling me to keep track of this story,
and keep track of the commentators who were continuing to write on this
story and talk about us," Martin testified. "We were paying attention
to 'Hardball' with Chris Matthews because he had been talking about it
a lot."

She described the reaction inside the administration as questions began
to be raised, starting in May 2003. At that time, The New York Times
described the Wilson trip to Niger but did not name him. The article
said the administration had engaged in a "campaign of wholesale deceit"
and suggested that Cheney was directly involved.

Martin said that Libby asked her to call the then-chief public affairs
officer at the CIA, William Harlow, to find out about the trip by the
then-mysterious former envoy.

"So I was saying, 'Who sent him? Who is this guy?' " Martin testified.
"I remember Bill Harlow saying his name was Joe Wilson, he was a charge
in Baghdad, and his wife works over here." Martin said she promptly
went to see Cheney and Libby with the news.

Wilson

Re: Which BASTARD involved in Valerie Plame case? FINALLY EXPOSED

Libby trial pulls back White House curtain

Friday, January 26, 2007
By Dana Milbank, The Washington Post

WASHINGTON -- Memo to Tim Russert: Dick Cheney thinks he controls you.

This delicious morsel about the "Meet the Press" host and the vice
president was part of the extensive dish that Cathie Martin served up
yesterday, when the former Cheney communications director took the
stand in the perjury trial of former Cheney chief of staff I. Lewis
"Scooter" Libby.

Flashed on the courtroom computer screens were her notes from 2004
about how Mr. Cheney could respond to allegations that the Bush
administration had played fast and loose with evidence of Iraq's
nuclear ambitions. Option 1: "MTP-VP," she wrote, then listed the pros
and cons of a vice presidential appearance on the Sunday NBC television
show. Under the "pro" column, she wrote: "control message."

"I suggested we put the vice president on 'Meet the Press,' which was a
tactic we often used," Ms. Martin testified. "It's our best format."

It is unclear whether the first week of the trial will help or hurt Mr.
Libby or the administration. But the trial has already pulled back the
curtain on the White House's PR techniques and confirmed some of the
darkest suspicions of the reporters upon whom they are used.

Relatively junior White House aides run roughshod over members of the
president's Cabinet. Bush aides charged with speaking to the public and
the media are kept out of the loop on some of the most important
issues. And bad news is dumped before the weekend for the sole purpose
of burying it.

With a candor that is frowned upon at the White House, Ms. Martin
explained the use of late-Friday statements. "Fewer people pay
attention to it late on Friday," she said. "Fewer people pay attention
when it's reported on Saturday."

Ms. Martin --perhaps unaware of the suspicion that such machinations
caused in the press corps -- lamented that her statements at the time
were not regarded as credible. She testified that, as the controversy
swelled in 2004, reporters ignored her denials and continued to report
that it was Mr. Cheney's office that sent former Ambassador Joseph
Wilson to Niger to investigate allegations of Iraq's nuclear
acquisitions. "They're not taking my word for it," she recalled telling
a colleague.

Ms. Martin, who now works on the president's communications staff, said
she was frustrated that reporters wouldn't call for comment as the
controversy swelled. She said she had to ask CIA spokesman Bill Harlow
which reporters were working on stories about the flap. "Often,
reporters would stop calling us," she testified.

This prompted quiet chuckles among the two dozen reporters sitting in
court to cover the trial. Whispered one: "When was the last time you
called the vice president's office and got anything other than a 'no
comment'?"

At length, Ms. Martin explained how she, Mr. Libby and then-deputy
national security adviser Stephen Hadley worked late into the night
writing a statement to be issued by CIA boss George Tenet in 2004, in
which he would take blame for the bogus claim in Mr. Bush's State of
the Union address that Iraq was seeking nuclear material in Africa.

After "delicate" talks, Mr. Tenet agreed to say the CIA "approved" the
claim, and "I am responsible" -- but even that disappointed Ms. Martin,
who had wanted Mr. Tenet to say, "We did not express any doubt about
Niger."

During her testimony, Ms. Martin, a Harvard Law School graduate married
to FCC Chairman Kevin Martin and a close friend of Bush counselor Dan
Bartlett, seemed uncomfortable, shifting in her chair, squinting at her
interrogators, stealing quick glances at the jury and repeatedly
touching her cheek, ear, nose, lips and scalp.

Ms. Martin shed light on the mystery of why then-White House press
secretary Scott McClellan promised, falsely, that Mr. Libby was not
involved in outing CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson, the former
ambassador's wife. After Mr. McClellan had vouched for Bush strategist
Karl Rove's innocence, Mr. Libby asked Ms. Martin, "Why don't they say
something about me?"

"You need to talk to Scott," Ms. Martin advised.

On jurors' monitors were images of Ms. Martin's talking points -- some
labeled "on the record," and others "deep background." She walked the
jurors through how the White House coddles friendly writers and freezes
out others. To deal with the Wilson controversy, she hastily arranged a
Cheney lunch with conservative commentators. And when New York Times
columnist Nicholas Kristof first wrote about the Niger affair, she
explained, "We didn't see any urgency to get to Kristof" because "he
frankly attacked the administration fairly regularly."

Under questioning from prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, Ms. Martin
described how Mr. Hadley tried to keep White House spokesmen ignorant
about the Niger controversy.

But Ms. Martin, encouraged by Mr. Libby, secretly advised the vice
president and his top aide on how to respond. She put "Meet the

Yank Bastards KILLED THEIR OWN PEOPLE to stage 911 DRAMA

There is a million dollar reward for ANY fascist bastard to disprove
this assertion by giving a consistent theory of ALL the major observed
effects on that day about the related events.

Dick faced Cheney sprayed his own lawyer with BB's.

See the video by Alex Jones on the Forensics, why the claims of
distance and mistake were such a big lie ...

911 TRUTH BACK WITH VIGOR AND NEW SITE
Now it has two sites under
www.st911.org

-- 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Yank Bastards KILLED THEIR OWN PEOPLE to stage 911 DRAMA

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/24/tech/main2395958.shtml

Military Develops Non-Lethal Ray Gun TO ENSLAVE THE SHEEPLE
New Weapon Makes Human Targets Feel Like They're About To Catch Fire

MOODY AIR FORCE BASE, Ga., Jan. 24, 2007
Airmen pretending to be rioters scatter after being zapped by a new
military ray gun during a demonstration at Moody Air Force Base, Ga.,
on Jan. 24, 2007.  (AP Photo/Elliott Minor)

Fast Fact

The crew fired beams from more than 500 yards away, nearly 17 times the
range of existing non-lethal weapons, such as rubber bullets.

(AP) The military's new weapon is a ray gun that shoots a beam that
makes people feel as if they will catch fire.

The technology is supposed to be harmless - a non-lethal way to get
enemies to drop their weapons. Military officials say it could save the
lives of innocent civilians and service members in places like Iraq and
Afghanistan.

The weapon is not expected to go into production until at least 2010,
but all branches of the military have expressed interest in it,
officials said.

During the first media demonstration of the weapon Wednesday, airmen
fired beams from a large dish antenna mounted atop a Humvee at people
pretending to be rioters and acting out other scenarios U.S. troops
might encounter.

The crew fired beams from more than 500 yards away, nearly 17 times the
range of existing non-lethal weapons, such as rubber bullets.

While the sudden, 130-degree Fahrenheit heat was not painful, it was
intense enough to make participants think their clothes were about to
ignite.

"This is one of the key technologies for the future," said Marine Col.
Kirk Hymes, director of the non-lethal weapons program which helped
develop the new weapon. "Non-lethal weapons are important for the
escalation of force, especially in the environments our forces are
operating in."

The system uses millimeter waves, which can penetrate only 1/64th of an
inch of skin, just enough to cause discomfort. By comparison, common
kitchen microwaves penetrate several inches of skin.

The millimeter waves cannot go through walls or glass, but they can
penetrate most clothing, officials said.

Two airmen and 10 reporters volunteered to be shot with the beams,
which easily penetrated various layers of winter clothing.

The system was developed by the military, but the two devices currently
being evaluated were built by defense contractor Raytheon.

Airman Blaine Pernell, 22, said he could have used the system during
his four tours in Iraq, where he manned watchtowers around a base near
Kirkuk. He said Iraqis constantly pulled up and faked car problems so
they could scout out U.S. forces.

"All we could do is watch them," he said. But if they had the ray gun,
troops "could have dispersed them."

© MMVII The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

On Jan 26, 1:33 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/24/tech/main2395958.shtml
>
> Military Develops Non-Lethal Ray Gun
> New Weapon Makes Human Targets Feel Like They're About To Catch Fire
>
> Col. Kirk Hymes, director of the non-lethal weapons program which
> helped develop the new weapon. "Non-lethal weapons are important for
> the escalation of force, especially in the environments our forces are
> operating in."
>
> The system uses millimeter waves, which can penetrate only 1/64th of an
> inch of skin, just enough to cause discomfort. By comparison, common
> kitchen microwaves penetrate several inches of skin.
>
> The millimeter waves cannot go through walls or glass, but they can
> penetrate most clothing, officials said.
>
> Two airmen and 10 reporters volunteered to be shot with the beams,
> which easily penetrated various layers of winter clothing.
>
> The system was developed by the military, but the two devices currently
> being evaluated were built by defense contractor Raytheon.
>
> Airman Blaine Pernell, 22, said he could have used the system during
> his four tours in Iraq, where he manned watchtowers around a base near
> Kirkuk. He said Iraqis constantly pulled up and faked car problems so
> they could scout out U.S. forces.
>
> "All we could do is watch them," he said. But if they had the ray gun,
> troops "could have dispersed them."
>
> © MMVII The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may
> not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed
>
> On Jan 26, 12:06 pm, "alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Can you please show the people in this group some common curtesy and
> > stop bombarding us with what you percieve as important posts.  If they
> > are truly important to you, and I don't doubt that they are, please
> > take the time and trouble to find a suitable forum to discuss them in.
> > I do not want to get into political debate with you, as I have the pub
> > to do that, but your posts are not what the vast majority of people on
> > here log on for.  The title of the forum gives s

Re: Off-Topic Posts

Yeah, listen to wise counsel of klein. As a member of conquered races
and still under occupation, namely Jewish, French, German, Japanese,
Korean ... dont mess in the crimes of the anglo-saxon yanks. You should
remember the beating you got from the Anglo-Saxon Yanks and just keep
quiet ... As for the lunatics off their meds, its also true that 911
was a grand optical illusion and thus within the charter of this group
to study ... After all, one of its proponent is the former head of Star
Wars, Dr Bob Bowman from MIT and Caltech ... Do you have a degree from
those prestigious institutes or did you manage to get any of your kids
into one of them ??? As for vulgarity, its the mark of patriotism ...
the constitutional amendments guarantee it and Herbert Walker Bush was
a strongly suspected pedophile ... there is a video called conspiracy
of silence, watch it on video.google.com and download with before the
fascist bureau of incompetence bastards (running around like crazy rats
to confiscate pentagon videos on that day in destruction of evidence)
try to sabotage the google servers ... they are part of the crime and
complicit in it. If they were competent, we would see one consistent
theory coming out from that bureau to explain all significant events on
that day. Now dont forget the SHITTY job done by FEMA and NIST. There
are gaping holes in their work.

Hey Kinch, if you are jewish, did you forget that England was the first
country to expel the Jews.

If you forget your status as conquered races, then you are in delusion,
not anyone else.

The final balance of power provided against the anglos will be by
Slavs. Hurray to Vladimir Putin, and Mikhail Khodorkovsky in a Siberian
jail.

On Jan 26, 2:30 pm, Jim Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I have only just joined this group, but have noticed a significant rise
> >in off-topic posts that really detract from what is otherwise an
> >excellent place to learn and talk about optics.  While I'm sure people
> >who post these non-optic, non-scientific posts feel that they are
> >important they are not what the majority of the people come here to
> >read.  If the topics are that important to the poster then surely he or
> >she should take the time and trouble to find the best place to discuss
> >them.  A groups called "Sci-optic" is not one   I guess what I
> >am asking for is that off-topic posts are deleted  Is this
> >possible?
>
> >Thanks
> >ALexWe get off-topic posts on an infrequent basis. Usually some poor guy
> gets off his meds and we get some burst of non-optic garbage.
>
> Just delete them and kill file them. That is usually what most folks
> do.
>
> Remember, there has always been a lunatic standing on the corner
> yelling the wold is ending.
>
> It is but not for a few Billion more years.
>
> Don't let them pull your chain. Arguing with them is useless.
>
> Jim Klein
> James E. Klein
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Engineering Calculationshttp://www.ecalculations.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Engineering Calculations is the home of
> the KDP-2 Optical Design Program
> for Windows.
> 1-818-507-5706 (Voice and Fax)
> 1-818-823-4121

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Re: Off-Topic Posts

What did Dick Faced Cheney told Honorable Senator Patrick Leahy ? "Fuck
yourself".
So much for politeness and vulgarity at the top level.

Proof:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/news2/2007/01/the_madness_of.html

On Jan 26, 2:53 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yeah, listen to wise counsel of klein. As a member of conquered races
> and still under occupation, namely Jewish, French, German, Japanese,
> Korean ... dont mess in the crimes of the anglo-saxon yanks. You should
> remember the beating you got from the Anglo-Saxon Yanks and just keep
> quiet ... As for the lunatics off their meds, its also true that 911
> was a grand optical illusion and thus within the charter of this group
> to study ... After all, one of its proponent is the former head of Star
> Wars, Dr Bob Bowman from MIT and Caltech ... Do you have a degree from
> those prestigious institutes or did you manage to get any of your kids
> into one of them ??? As for vulgarity, its the mark of patriotism ...
> the constitutional amendments guarantee it and Herbert Walker Bush was
> a strongly suspected pedophile ... there is a video called conspiracy
> of silence, watch it on video.google.com and download with before the
> fascist bureau of incompetence bastards (running around like crazy rats
> to confiscate pentagon videos on that day in destruction of evidence)
> try to sabotage the google servers ... they are part of the crime and
> complicit in it. If they were competent, we would see one consistent
> theory coming out from that bureau to explain all significant events on
> that day. Now dont forget the SHITTY job done by FEMA and NIST. There
> are gaping holes in their work.
>
> Hey Kinch, if you are jewish, did you forget that England was the first
> country to expel the Jews.
>
> If you forget your status as conquered races, then you are in delusion,
> not anyone else.
>
> The final balance of power provided against the anglos will be by
> Slavs. Hurray to Vladimir Putin, and Mikhail Khodorkovsky in a Siberian
> jail.
>
> On Jan 26, 1:13 pm, Richard J Kinch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > alex writes:
> > > I have only just joined this group, but have noticed a significant rise
> > > in off-topic posts that really detract from what is otherwise an
> > > excellent place to learn and talk about optics.This has nothing to do 
> > > with sci.optics.  Recent days have seen this stuff
> > being broadcast mechanically into all sorts of groups.

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Excellent Interview with Dennis D'Souza, full of laughs

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/
18227/podcast/PORTLAND-OR/KPOJ-AM/1-23-07%20POJ-cast.mp3?
CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=PORTLAND-
OR&NG_FORMAT=newstalk&SITE_ID=674&STATION_ID=KPOJ-
AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=AM620_KPOJ&PCAST_CAT=Talk_Radio&PCAST_TITLE=Thom_Hartma
nn_Podcast

Below is a post repeated with interesting information. But the main
purpose of this post is to find out how many sheeple still believe in
the 911 fairy tale of 19 hijackers that was to be USED BY THE EVIL
CRIMINALS TO "change the world forever" BUT IT WONT. Are we going to
PERMIT some evil criminals in the government positions to make an
Orwellian world of enslavement and doublespeak for us and our children
?


Journal of 911 studies:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/
=
$1 Million Challenge/REWARD Details regarding 9/11:
http://reopen911.org/Contest.htm
=
Background info:
http://st911.org/
=
REPUBLICANS are ANTICHRIST-FASCIST Bastards, Herbert Bush, Ronald
Reagan and NOW Mark Foley, VIDEO EVIDENCE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?
docid=359924937663867563&q=conspira...
http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm
There are two main suspects in the child ring were Craig Spence and
Lawrence E. King Jr. Below are some pictures of them. Both were
involved in the Republican party. King sang the National athem at two
republican national conventions during the 1980s. He served time in
jail for bank fraud and is now living somewhere on the east coast.
Spence was an important Republican lobbyist, who feared that, because
he knew something very dark, implicating the very most powerful man in
America, George H. W. Bush, that he would be killed by the CIA at his
murder would be made to look like a suicide. He was later found dead 
in
a hotel room - the CIA connected coroner declared the bizarre death
-suicide. Several of his partners went to jail for being involved in
the adult part of the homosexual sex ring. Democrats were also 
involved
in this as well, so don't expect them to expose the sex ring.

=
HOW 9/11 actually may have happened , WE HAVE BEEN MADE FOOLS OF THE
CENTURY by the media
From:
American Patriot Friends Network

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

The only thing to be afraid is cowardice itself. The news is spreading
like a jungle fire.
In your workplace, send email to everyone and anonymously about this
site and other top sites

Make a free email account:
www.gmail.com
=
Holocaust Victims Accuse
Product #: 10011

Documents and Testimony on Jewish war Criminals by Reb Moshe Shonfeld

This out of print book, published in 1977 describing the brutal 
Zionist
role which prevented the rescue of the holocaust victims,has been
reproduced with permission of the author.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/bookstore/store.cfm?
catcode=1&catna...
www.nkusa.org

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Re: Off-Topic Posts

On Jan 27, 1:31 pm, Jim Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not one of the conquered races, I'm Swiss. We are the bankers to
> the conquerers. :-)

Exactly, Honorable J Klein, (although my reference was a general one, 
you have entered the thread, so I will pick the swiss case) more like 
tributaries to the conquerers ... If you remember that the Japanese 
buy the US govt bonds because their whole country's policy is 
controlled and under the ceiling of the occupiers. The swiss insurance 
companies quietly paid Larry Silverstein $3billion insurance claim 
ONLY after a few months of premium, without raising a single objection 
about the event. Are you saying Dr Bob Bowman, an MIT or Caltech Phd, 
who has flied 100 combat missions, and was running for public office 
is a mad person?? But the point is accurate: Switzerland is not a 
banker but a tributary. You will soon see US twisting the arms of all 
its occupied and conquered races to share the financial loss from 
Bush's foolish policies. That exactly is the UNSTATED methodology.

Still, I would like to go and live in switzerland, if there is a way 
to become a swiss citizen ... like marc rich whom clinton gave 
immunity ... my record is a lot honest than that crook. where do you 
live in switzerland and can you get me a citizenship of that country 
of good people ... away from the FBI Bastards cowards who go around 
bugging people for no reason ... other than their racist and fascist 
outlook.

> It has been a long time since we got invaded by someone of your ilk. I
> comment you on your total lack of good taste.

Yeah ... taste what dick has to say, I repeat:

What did Dick Faced Cheney told Honorable Senator Patrick Leahy ? 
"Fuck
yourself".
So much for politeness and vulgarity at the top level.

Proof:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/news2/2007/01/the_madness_of.html

> Please go prowl in someone else's news group. Most folks here are just
> not on your frequency.

911 optical illusions will be discussed here.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Yeah, listen to wise counsel of klein. As a member of conquered races
> >and still under occupation, namely Jewish, French, German, Japanese,
> >Korean ... dont mess in the crimes of the anglo-saxon yanks. You should
> >remember the beating you got from the Anglo-Saxon Yanks and just keep
> >quiet ... As for the lunatics off their meds, its also true that 911
> >was a grand optical illusion and thus within the charter of this group
> >to study ... After all, one of its proponent is the former head of Star
> >Wars, Dr Bob Bowman from MIT and Caltech ... Do you have a degree from
> >those prestigious institutes or did you manage to get any of your kids
> >into one of them ??? As for vulgarity, its the mark of patriotism ...
> >the constitutional amendments guarantee it and Herbert Walker Bush was
> >a strongly suspected pedophile ... there is a video called conspiracy
> >of silence, watch it on video.google.com and download with before the
> >fascist bureau of incompetence bastards (running around like crazy rats
> >to confiscate pentagon videos on that day in destruction of evidence)
> >try to sabotage the google servers ... they are part of the crime and
> >complicit in it. If they were competent, we would see one consistent
> >theory coming out from that bureau to explain all significant events on
> >that day. Now dont forget the SHITTY job done by FEMA and NIST. There
> >are gaping holes in their work.
>
> >Hey Kinch, if you are jewish, did you forget that England was the first
> >country to expel the Jews.
>
> >If you forget your status as conquered races, then you are in delusion,
> >not anyone else.
>
> >The final balance of power provided against the anglos will be by
> >Slavs. Hurray to Vladimir Putin, and Mikhail Khodorkovsky in a Siberian
> >jail.
>
> >On Jan 26, 2:30 pm, Jim Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> "alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >I have only just joined this group, but have noticed a significant rise
> >> >in off-topic posts that really detract from what is otherwise an
> >> >excellent place to learn and talk about optics.  While I'm sure people
> >> >who post these non-optic, non-scientific posts feel that they are
> >> >important they are not what the majority of the people come here to
> >> >read.  If the topics are that important to the poster then surely he or
> >> >she should take the time and trouble to find the best place to discuss
> >> >them.  A groups called "Sci-optic" is not one   I guess what I
> >> >am asking for is that off-topic posts are deleted  Is this
> >> >possible?
>
> >> >Thanks
> >> >ALexWe get off-topic posts on an infrequent basis. Usually some poor guy
> >> gets off his meds and we get some burst of non-optic garbage.
>
> >> Just delete them and kill file them. That is usually what most folks
> >> do.
>
> >> Remember, there has always been a lunatic standing on the corner
> >> yelling the wold is ending.
>
> >> It is but not for a few Bi

Re: Excellent Interview with Dennis D'Souza, full of laughs

FBI spook bastard  that speaks french also

On Jan 29, 8:13 am, "Hampton Din" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  stupid troll


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Re: Bush, yank bastards kicked by india in their arse Re: POLL How many sheeple believe in the 911 fairy tale and willing to accept an Orwellian doublespeak and enslavement world ?

On Jan 29, 11:15 am, "Vance P. Frickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Directorate (overseas espionage), his old employers owned
> someone in just about every important government agency in
> India, from the 1970s until they stopped being able to
> afford paying all those bribes.

But in this anglo-saxon heaven, monica lewinsky owns every president 
by his balls. Reagan and Herber Walker Bush have a serious pedophilia 
charges against
them. The jewcons control George Bush. In another article I will 
describe how
his mind is controlled. How he is fed the information and has no 
personal skill.
He is only good for exercising his ego and repeating what is taught to 
him. He
only signs documents. He cannot write his own speech. He cannot 
passionately
defend himself against tough opponents in public. In the presidential 
debates
he was scared to death. Certaily, kerry let him off very easily, and 
possibly
because kerry was under the threat of blackmail to not cross the line. 
If kerry
has attacked bush as a liar, or with valery plame case or Abu Gharib 
or using other strong points bush would have probably fainted from 
fear.

Almost every US senator is in the pocket of a certain lobby, which is 
too obvious to name  LAUGHING OUT LOUD

God save the Honorable Reverend Jimmy Carter for the book ..

Dont talk about India Impudently, ever .

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Re: Excellent Interview with Dennis D'Souza, full of laughs

Listen you mother fucker VULTURE, the past cold war was with soviet
block, NOW the whole world hates you ... bastard you need friends, but
now with your 911 in which YOU KILLED YOUR OWN CITIZENS, you are THE
MOST ODIOUS NATION ON EARTH.

YOU NEED FRIENDS, your biggest perceived rival CHINA is the most
popular nation on earth ... Venezuela's Chavez is most popular, and 
you
are the most odious anglo-saxon yank bastards ... Islamists hate you
also and neocons also hate you, only using you as trash paper as they
used Germany during WW1 and WW2, listen to Benjamin Friedman

On Jan 29, 10:15 am, "Frank Arthur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Islamist bastard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in messagenews:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in messagenews:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > FBI spook bastard  that speaks french also
>
> > On Jan 29, 8:13 am, "Hampton Din" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>  stupid troll

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Another link to the audio of radio interview by Dinesh D'Souza - HILLARIOUS

"http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/
cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/PORTLAND-OR/KPOJ-AM/
1-23-07%20POJ-cast.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=PORTLAND-
OR&NG_FORMAT=newstalk&SITE_ID=674&STATION_ID=KPOJ-
AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=AM620_KPOJ&PCAST_CAT=Talk_Radio&PCAST_TITLE=Thom_Hartma
nn_Podcast"

http://loadedorygun.blogspot.com/2007/01/disassembling-dsouza.html

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Bush, clean up your shit and farts before you leave - Hillary Clinton

But Bush was merely an ego front for the neocons ... He spoke their 
speeches, signed their recommendations, and ordered their wars, go and 
listen to Benjamin Friedman's excellent video in his very passionate 
voice ...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3552214685532803163&q



http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/492891p-415149c.html

Hil to W: Clean up your own mess
Leaving it to next Prez is irresponsible, she tells Iowa crowd

BY MICHAEL McAULIFF
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Hillary Clinton addresses crowd at town-hall style meeting yesterday 
in Davenport, Iowa. Her two-day swing through Iowa, where she hit hard 
on issues like Iraq war and health care, was first trip to state with 
earliest caucus since announcing presidential candidacy.
DAVENPORT, Iowa - President Bush should clean up the mess he made in 
Iraq and bring American troops home before he leaves the White House 
in 2009, Sen. Hillary Clinton said yesterday.

Clinton fired her rhetoric-raising broadside at Bush and the Iraq war 
on her first swing through Iowa as a presidential hopeful, painting 
herself as tough, warm and presidential all at the same time.

"The President has said this is going to be left to his successor," 
she said at a rally in Davenport. "I think it's the height of 
irresponsibility, and I really resent it.

"This was his decision to go to war; he went with an ill-conceived 
plan, an incompetently executed strategy, and we should expect him to 
extricate our country from this before he leaves office," the former 
First Lady said.

White House spokesman Rob Saliterman criticized Clinton (D-N.Y.) for 
"a partisan attack that sends the wrong message to our troops and the 
Iraqi people."

One questioner challenged Clinton to explain her vote in late 2002 to 
authorize the war. She said Congress was "misled" at the time by the 
President.

"He took the authority that I and others gave him, and he misused it," 
she said. "And I regret that deeply. And if we had known then what we 
know now, there never would have been a vote, and I never would have 
voted to give this President that authority."

Dawn Trettin, 33, and her son Ramon Briones, 18, who has joined the 
Army, said they liked what they heard from Clinton. Trettin, though, 
teared up when someone in the crowd told her son not to go to Iraq.

"I don't want to just pull out and leave it in chaos," she said, 
though she was waiting to make up her mind on whom to vote for next 
year.

Her son, who said he liked Clinton's depth, was ready to commit after 
hearing her pitch. "I liked her," he said. "I would vote for her."

Clinton is leading her Democratic rivals in national polls, but she is 
not the front-runner in Iowa. If Iowa's first-in-the-nation caucus was 
held now, she would lose to 2004 vice presidential nominee John 
Edwards. She also trails former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack and Illinois 
Sen. Barack Obama in state polls.

She completed a two-day swing through the state last night in a bid to 
close the gap and tried to erase the perception among many Iowans that 
she can't win, talking to them in small groups in living rooms and by 
the thousands in large halls.

The reception was strong, and Camp Clinton liked what it saw.

"We are thrilled with the weekend," said Clinton spokesman Howard 
Wolfson.

Clinton also focused on middle-class issues like making college more 
affordable and obtaining universal health care coverage.

She promised to try to at least get universal coverage for kids during 
her next two years in the Senate.

Today, she's picking up the war theme theme again in Texas, attending 
the dedication of Brooke Army Medical Center's $50 million Center for 
the Intrepid. The 60,000-square-foot physical rehabilitation center is 
for veterans injured in the war.

Originally published on January 28, 2007

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