Re: IDE head scratcher

2003-01-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 14:22, Michael Weber wrote:
> Anyway, I plugged my CDROM and HD back in and tried to boot.  The GRUB
> loader booted Linux and it began its thing, up until it loaded the IDE
> drivers.  As soon as it touched the hard drive, the system locked hard. 

Did you plug them in exactly as they were before?  If so, there
shouldn't be any new problems.

However, there are some known issues with new Fujitsu drives and the
kernel in RHL (all versions, last I checked).  What brand of disk is it?




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Re: Virtualhosting SSL sites with Apache 2.0.40-11

2003-01-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 13:52, Dax Kelson wrote:
> Therefore, virtual hosting 
> SSL sites requires the use of unique IP addresses for each site."

Unique port numbers work as well, and are in far greater supply than
unique IP addresses.  :)




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Re: Evolution Problem

2003-01-18 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 15:07, Tommy McNeely wrote:
> ... so ... appearantly its a problem with evolution... none of the mail 
> servers around here think CAPA is a good idea :)

Which is odd, because CAPA often describes what types of authorization a
server provides:

+OK Hello there.
CAPA
+OK Here's what I can do:
SASL LOGIN
STLS
TOP
USER
LOGIN-DELAY 10
PIPELINING
UIDL
IMPLEMENTATION Courier Mail Server

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Re: linux security/network issue....

2003-01-18 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 10:57, Bruce Douglas wrote:

> If I configure my router to do port forwarding with Port 80 pointing to the
> Windows Box with Apache, external users can view the server. If I change the
> router/port forwarding to point to the Linux Box/Apache server, the user is
> unable to access the Apache server. A quick review of the Apache log files
> does not reveal a hit to the server. This seems to indicate that the request
> from the external user didn't "get" to the Apache server.

Try setting "UseCanonicalName" to "off" in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf.





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RE: linux security/network issue....

2003-01-18 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 11:30, Bruce Douglas wrote:
> PS. I should add that it appears that no communication from the external
> world is able to get to the Linux box, regardless of the port.
> 
> before i change the UseCanonicalName.. could you explain how this would
> affect the external user accessing the server. I can't quite see why this
> would make a difference

I don't know that apache logs the HTTP redirect that it's going to
produce with UseCanonicalName set to "on".  Therefore it might seem like
it's not seeing any communication when it really is.

If you have tcpdump, ngrep, or ethereal installed on that server, you
can dump traffic to port 80 to see what's going on.

tcpdump is the least useful, but the most likely to be installed.  Try
this:
tcpdump port 80




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Re: Instant Messaging Server

2003-01-21 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Tue, 2003-01-21 at 05:43, Dario Lesca wrote:
> Hi, which IM server to install on RedHat 8.0 to use
> in a local net whit client Win2000/XP? 

Jabber is a good choice.  I have an RPM package here:
http://www.dragonsdawn.net/apt/redhat/7.3/en/i386/RPMS.dragonsdawn/

Clients are listed here:
http://www.jabber.org/user/clientlist.php




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Re: Contacting an Open Relay server user by spammer

2003-01-22 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 06:06, Mark Cooke wrote:
> > Which translates to:
> >
> >   Message _from_ (pc-80-193-4-51-nm.blueyonder.co.uk [80.193.4.51])
> > received _by_ mail.pcc.edu.cn _for_ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on
> >   Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:55:23 +0800
> 
> So am I correct in thinking, the mail originated from a blueyonder
> dialup/broadband account?

Yes, the mail came from blueyonder, and the open relay is
mail.pcc.edu.cn.

That host is already listed as an open relay on ORDB.org:
bash-2.05b$ host mail.pcc.edu.cn
mail.pcc.edu.cn has address 211.65.116.10
bash-2.05b$ host 10.116.65.211.relays.ordb.org
10.116.65.211.relays.ordb.org has address 127.0.0.2

If you feel like getting a hold of them, send them here:
http://www.mail-abuse.org/tsi/ar-fix.html#sendmail_8

Funny, though... the mail server is running a recent version of
Sendmail.  It shouldn't be an open relay unless they cocked up the
config.  Maybe they just don't know how to do SMTP AUTH.

If you run your own mail server (or your friend does), configure it to
use ORDB's RBL, and help people figure out their relaying problems.  If
you don't, ask your ISP to do so.




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RE: Contacting an Open Relay server user by spammer

2003-01-22 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 09:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I am attempting to setup a sendmail server that will receive (and
> relay) emails from users.  These users do not reside on the same
> network as my server.  In fact, I have no way of knowing what domains
> the various users will be on.

Use SMTP AUTH.  With auth, you grant explicit relay privileges only to
the local network (or nowhere at all), and remote users only get the
privilege if they authenticate themselves.

Edit /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and look for the comments related to AUTH. 
They'll guide you in the right direction.  Basically you just have to
uncomment the AUTH options.

The directions for rebuilding sendmail.cf are at the beginning of the
file.

> If not to add insult to injury, as I understand it if I am to allow my
> users to log in to send/retrieve messages from anywhere, I must have
> the FEATURE (promiscuous_relay) enabled.

That's not correct.  When authenticating, no such option is needed.




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Re: Contacting an Open Relay server user by spammer

2003-01-22 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 09:44, Mark C wrote:
> Gordon Messmer wrote:
> 
> >>So am I correct in thinking, the mail originated from a blueyonder
> >>dialup/broadband account?
> 
> I just want to make 100% sure that this is correct, the original sender 
> of the spam, has a blueyonder account?
> So the spammer could not of come from say a freeserver or ntl account 
> connection?

Your mail server identified mail.pcc.edu.cn as the previous hop, and you
should be able to trust that.  mail.pcc.edu.cn identified the blueyonder
account as the previous hop to that.  You can't necessarily trust a mail
server you don't control, but that one is clearly an open relay, so it's
plausible that the previous hop was as identified.





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Re: BIG OOPS!

2003-01-22 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 21:56, Buck wrote:
> I had a gnome interface that came up when I booted.  Somehow in looking
> around, I got an interface that is a big blue screen.  When I left
> click, I get what looks like a drop-down menu with the following
> options:
> TWM (Title I think)

At the graphical login screen, pick "Sessions", and set it back to
Default (or to GNOME).




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RE: BIG OOPS!

2003-01-22 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 22:09, Buck wrote:

> TWM looks like a graphical command line interface.  
> 
> What is it?

A very very old X window manager.  It was, IIRC, the basis for FVWM,
which in turn was the basis for several other WM's.

Haven't looked at xwinman.org in a /long/ time, but it has this to say:
http://www.plig.org/xwinman/vtwm.html




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Re: Excellent signature

2003-01-23 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 01:36, Rob Unsworth wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> > See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> 
>  "To convert the file to HTML using Word is simple..."
> 
> Apparently the FSF oppose receiving  a virus sent with a Word 
> document, but if the virus is sent via HTML, thats OK.

How do you expect a macro virus to make its way into an HTML document?




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Re: Messenger Popups

2003-01-24 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 21:11, Buck wrote:
> I have a problem in Windows that outside users are popping up ads from
> windows messenger.   I am wondering if there is a similar product in
> RedHat that might be having the same problem.  Or, is Red Hat safe from
> that junk?

No, there is no similar product, or problem in Red Hat Linux.




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Re: GPL License

2003-01-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 11:10, Buck wrote:
> If I were to develop a product for my own use, would I be required to
> distribute it because someone found out I had it and they wanted it?

No.

> Could I sell services created by a GPL product without distributing the
> product?

Yes.  Furthermore, you can sell the GPL product itself.  The GPL does
not prevent you from selling software that you create, it only requires
that you provide users to whom you sell or otherwise distribute your
program with the source code, and the freedom to do anything they like
with that program, except deprive other users of those freedoms.

> I write a program using GPL products.  The program is able to pick the
> ten stocks that will go up the most the next trading day.  I want to
> sell that report to subscribers at the end of every trading day.
> 
> I do NOT want to sell the program that does the calculations.

If you're not distributing the software, it doesn't need a license.  The
GPL license only applies to distribution.





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RE: Messenger Poppups

2003-01-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 15:00, Buck wrote:
> I do have a firewall.  I learned really quick how to stop the problem.
> My original question was whether or not Redhat had a similar problem.  I
> have learned that the problem is unique to "windoz".  
> 

It occurred to me later that a useful piece of advise would be to look
at what your machine is listening to using "netstat".  Netstat is
available in both Windows and Unix, though Linux's version provides a
great deal more information than the standard BSD one (which is
basically what you get with NT).

Under Linux, one useful invocation is:
netstat -tulnp

This lists the (t)cp sockets and (u)dp sockets which are (l)istening, in
(n)umeric format, and the (p)rogram that has the socket open.

If a service is listening on 0.0.0.0, it's available to the world at
large (unless firewall rules prevent it).  On a normal desktop, which
you don't need to access remotely, you can probably disable all
listening services.  The "p" option should help you figure out what
services should be disabled.

NT won't give you quite as much information, notably not the program
listening to the socket.  You might be able to find additional software
that can give you that information, though.

The problem that you were seeing is a result of NT's default setup
listening to ports that it shouldn't on the internet in general.  If a
machine (NT or Unix) isn't listening to input from the network, there's
a great deal less the network can do to it.




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Re: MySQL IDE and Language (long)

2003-01-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 15:59, Buck wrote:

> I was leaning towards the xBase languages since I am so familiar with
> the code. I have decided, instead, to use MySQL for a database engine.
> It appears to be big enough to handle anything I can create and it is
> apparently the most popular database in Linux.  According to MySQL.com,
> MySQL is compatible with Oracle in speed.

Popular it is, but Oracle it is not.  MySQL is fine for very small
things, but I recommend PostgreSQL instead.  In large part, I recommend
that because PostgreSQL has a much more complete set of the SQL 92 spec
than MySQL.  Reflecting that, MySQL's documentation often uses non-ANSI
standard constructs, even when MySQL supports the ANSI standard method. 
This leads to a lot of SQL code that doesn't port easily to other SQL
servers.

You might want to lay hands on O'Reily's "SQL in a Nutshell".  It's
pretty inexpensive, and it documents the ANSI standard, and several SQL
servers implementations/deviations.

As for speed:  MySQL is fast for very small things.  It's query compiler
isn't as good as Oracle's or PostgreSQL's, so you tend to find that
people doing complex projects get much better performance from
PostgreSQL.

> I thought PHP and Perl were html languages, but I guess they are a lot
> more than that.  I believe someone has also suggested Java.  I'll have
> to decide on a language.  
...
> I believe my decision will hinge on a balance of these things:  
> A Popularity 
> B Support
> C Power
> D Flexibility
> E Development speed and ease
> F Ease of learning
> G Execution speed
> H Ease of Debugging

Java is probably going to come out on top.  It's a clear winner on
several criteria.  For DB programming, you'll want JDBC.   There are a
number of IDE's available, including NetBeans from Sun, and the newer
Eclipse from IBM.




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Re: Mail Solution Please|here is the problem

2003-01-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 00:07, Bala murugan wrote:

> Now my user wants to download mails to his inbox say outlook express as 
> client. but they are protected from firewall. they can't go directly to mail 
> server. We have put one Proxy server (RH8.0) for internet browsing. I would 
> like to use this server for mail solution also.

Add IP Masquerading to the proxy server.  There's no shortage of
information, from the official site's documentation:
http://www.netfilter.org/
to my own scripts:
http://www.dragonsdawn.net/~gordon/firewalls/




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RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long)

2003-01-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 18:44, Buck wrote:

> How difficult would it be to learn and use mysql for small projects once
> I have a handle on postgre?

Not terribly.  If what you know is ANSI SQL, you should be able to write
code that'll work in both.  MySQL's management is somewhat different,
but there are GUI front ends available for managing both servers.




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RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long)

2003-01-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 19:13, Buck wrote:
> Thanks again, Gordon,
> 
> If there is no big problem moving a program written on postgre to mysql,
> I have no problem.  The website hosts of Linux web sites seem to install
> mysql instead of postgre.  

JDBC should make it fairly easy to test against both databases.  If you
must deploy on MySQL, because that's your only option, you're probably
best off developing on that.  If you have your own way, I recommend
developing on PostgreSQL.




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RE: MySQL IDE and Language (long)

2003-01-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 21:23, Buck wrote:
> Gordon,
> 
> What is JDBC?  I keep finding a driver.  Is that what I am looking for?
> 

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4/docs/guide/jdbc/index.html

Java includes JDBC, which is a server independent API for DB access. 
You add in the drivers that bridge to the backend you're using.  That
way you can switch from PostgreSQL to MySQL without changing any code
(in theory, your queries still have to be supported by the server).





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Re: Support Changes

2003-01-27 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 12:56, Ed wrote:
> Did I just read that Red Hat is dropping it's support down to one year
> for it's non-Advanced Server products?

It's not a drop.  They've always advertised support as "at least one
year".




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Re: mysql problem

2003-01-28 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 12:00, Dave Robbins wrote:

> After reading thru lots of list archive and trying
> lots of different things, I've boiled it down to the fact that from the
> local machine, if I "telnet 192.168.0.1 3306", mysql responds with it's
> version number, but if I do that from the remote machine, telnet exits
> immediately.

Unless telnet from the remote machine returns "Connection refused", try
the MySQL fix mentioned here:

http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=74943#c16




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Re: Support Changes

2003-01-28 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 02:29, Denice wrote:
> On 27 Jan 2003, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 12:56, Ed wrote:
> > > Did I just read that Red Hat is dropping it's support down to one year
> > > for it's non-Advanced Server products?
> > 
> > It's not a drop.  They've always advertised support as "at least one
> > year".
> > 
> 
> It would probably be extremely wise of Red Hat to assure people that some 
> patches _will_ be made available for a longer period of time, say two years.
> I'm thinking of apache, php, openssh, etc. -- server daemons or subsystems
> that more often result in a high level security alert.

>From my perspective, it doesn't matter.  I honestly believe that if Red
Hat chooses to support a distribution for only 12 months, the last dot
release of a series will be supported by capable members of the
community.  Debian is supported thusly, and Red Hat could be, too.





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Re: opening a cpio file in windows .

2003-02-08 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 13:23, faisal gillani wrote:
> i am sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this ..
> but can you tell me how can i open a cpio file in
> windows pc i have downloaded oracle 9 for linux on a
> windows pc & now i wana open it copy it on a cd drive
> & then bring it back here on my redhat server &
> install  so help me out here 

Why don't you just copy the cpio file to the CD (or just upload it to
the Red Hat Linux server) and extract it on Linux, according to the
instructions provided?




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Re: Pushing updates ?

2003-02-12 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 13:26, Allan M. Stewart wrote:
> 
> What is the best way to update many servers at customer sites? 

All you need is an ssh key on the client system to log in as root.

#! /bin/sh
# Use:
# ./update-em
#   - Runs apt-get upgrade to do a full update of the system
# ./update-em [package1 [package2]...]
#   - Runs apt-get install to install or update a specific set of 
# packages

HOSTS="host1.site1.com host1.site2.com"

for HOST in $HOSTS; do
  if [ -z "$1" ] ; then
ssh root@$HOST apt-get update '&&' apt-get upgrade
  else
ssh root@$HOST apt-get update '&&' apt-get install "$@"
  fi
done





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Re: OT: the whole SCO IP patent(s) mess

2003-02-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 18:33, jdow wrote:

> Justin, The article referenced commented about SCO Group, nee Caldera,
> posted a major loss many times their preceding year's profit. It says
> they pulled in a shyster^H^H^H^H^H^H^H attorney to protect their
> intellectual property rights. It also notes they are in a sad position
> internally because they are major Linux contributors. (The BIGGEST giggle
> potential here is that THEY might be the ones who posted any possible
> infringing code into the kernel. That would rather mess up their IP
> rights.)

I think that everyone's really taking SCO's actions too far, including
some of the individuals quoted in the article.

The SCO group hasn't announced any intention of pursuing anyone except
for some who are using the libraries from SCO Unixware.  That's
perfectly reasonable.  If you are using their binary software without
license, then they have every legal right (and moral right) to pursue
you for license violation.  If you're using their software, pay for it.

It would be ridiculous for them to pursue violations in any GPL'd
component of Linux, except possibly to have the code removed.  As in the
current situation with MP3 software, if patents or licenses would be
imposed on the users/authors/distributors of GPL'd software, then the
GPL does not allow that software to be distributed.  In effect, if the
SCO group were to attempt to collect license fees for any GPL'd
software, they would (along with everyone else) lose the right to
distribute that software.  As Linux (and UnitedLinux) seem to still be a
part of the SCO group's strategy, that would be a very stupid thing to
do.




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Re: ssh-agent with default runlevel of 5

2003-02-14 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 03:38, Neil Marjoram wrote:
> Can someone tell me where to call the ssh-agent from when using a
> default run level of 5. I usually use run level 3 and place the required
> commands in .xinitrc in my home directory, but I have found that using
> run level 5 this file is not used.

On Red Hat Linux, it's started by the default X session scripts.  You
shouldn't have to start one yourself.




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Re: ssh-agent with default runlevel of 5

2003-02-14 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 14:38, Anne Possoz wrote:
> 
> If I understand well Neil query, here is what I do.
> 
> I edit /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients file and add the following lines at the beginning of 
>the file:

Doesn't that seem like a lot of work?  Red Hat's scripts already start
ssh agent.  All you have to do is add "ssh-add" to your session.  Under
GNOME, you can open the "Sessions" preferences panel, go to "Startup
Programs", and add the command.  Huzzah!  No editing files!  'specially:
No editing system files that will be whacked at your next upgrade!

On KDE, you just add a launcher to the Autostart folder on your desktop.





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Re: ssh-agent with default runlevel of 5

2003-02-15 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 01:32, Keith Morse wrote:

> And to the original poster, I like to append to what Gordon has said 
> above.  RedHat has documented this at
> 
> 
>http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/custom-guide/s1-openssh-client-config.html#S3-OPENSSH-SSH-AGENT-WITH-GNOME

Cool... but odd.  Step 2 should be entirely unnecessary.




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Re: xfs is off, yet X couldn't be happier

2003-02-19 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 22:34, krieg stanz wrote:

> I've played with /etc/X11/fs/config, mkfontdir and
> ttmkfdir to no end. Trying to provoke a change, I
> turned xfs off and rebooted, expecting several great
> errors on next boot. However, strangely, everything is
> fine. I'm currently booted into X with xfs stopped. 
> xlsfonts still provides the same list of fonts, and
> nothing changes.

Your XF86Config file should have only one FontPath spec, and is should
be:
FontPath "unix/:7100"

If you have others, remove them.   Add that one, start xfs and then
restart X.




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Re: apt - super cow powers ???

2003-02-20 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 09:25, Sergio Durand wrote:
> hi !!
> a curiosity!!
> what's mean "This APT has Super Cow Powers" when i do "apt-get -h" ???

I suspect that the Conectiva programmers porting apt to rpm are humorous
types.  The genbasedir script will also proudly proclaim that "All your
base are belong to us!" after building apt indexes.




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Re: System slow down

2003-03-04 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 03:56  PM, Margaret_Doll wrote:

> I have a Dell station, 665 MHz, 256Kb Cache, 256 Kb ram,  that  is 
unuseable because it
> is too slow.  The system used to be fairly quick; we had been using 
it as a web server.  
> Now there is a delay in any graphics display, "ps", "vi", "man", and 
"rpm" process.  I
> would appreciate any suggestions of where I should look for the problem.
...

I have done a top. Nothing is running.


What did top (or uptime) report as the system load average and CPU idle 
percentage?

vmstat

   procs  memoryswap  io 
system cpu
 r  b  w   swpdfree   buff  cache  si  sobibo   
incs  us  sy  id
 0  0  0  0 134564  14628  51832   0   0 3 1  517
27   0   0 100

That's not terribly helpful.  You want to run vmstat is repeating output 
so you can see what the system is doing while it runs:

vmstat 2

Look at the si, so, bi, bo, cs, and id columns as you try some simple 
commands in another terminal.







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Re: Mounting remote smb shares as normal user

2003-03-05 Thread Gordon Messmer
Dusan Djordjevic wrote:

sreda 5. mart 2003. 11:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 

 I'm trying to be able to mount and unmount remote smbfs as a
local user ( no root ) in a linux box. At teh moment I'had tried to
create the mount point as the normal user under is home, but in
anyway, mount says me that only root can mount these. I'm playing
with fstab with same results.
   

smbmount and smbumount should be setuid root. It is not very safe, so 
take care if it is not your personal computer.
 

I believe that should be /usr/bin/smbmnt and /usr/bin/smbumount.



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Re: Xfree and file permissions

2003-03-05 Thread Gordon Messmer
Kevin Brouelette wrote:

I log into GDM/Gnome as user 'kevin', opened a gnome terminal and
'su -' to root. From that terminal I created a group,
a directory, permissions etc. 
 

...

Now I open a new Gnome Terminal [as user kevin]
and 'cd /data' since 'kevin' is now in the 'students' group.
Since group memberships are initialized at login, he's not.  You must 
either log out and log in again, or run 'newgrp'.





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Re: Moved HOME, Gnome Not Convinced

2003-03-10 Thread Gordon Messmer
|  "Ronald W. Heiby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| 
| Saturday, March 8, 2003, 8:21:45 AM, Aaron wrote:
| > This should have nothing to do with Gnome. Are you saying that in the
| > entry in the passwd file for this user says his home directory is in
| > /lhome/user and he is still put into /home/user.
| 
| Exactly. It's got me scratching my head.
I would venture a guess myself:
The system's PAM configuration loads the pam_ldap module after pam_unix 
for the "session", so your LDAP values are going to override the 
password file, not the other way around.

Try reversing the order of those entries in /etc/pam.d/system-auth by 
moving the last line up one.



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Re: No GUI Login & puTTY

2003-03-12 Thread Gordon Messmer
Joe Klemmer wrote:

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Arthur Chong wrote:
 

Thanks everyone, we will obtain puTTY.

Thanks for the URL link !!

We've tried it and it still seems to give the wired characters on a
"man" command.  Perhaps we have to play with the settings.
   

	Change the settings in the i18n file, as was suggested earlier.  
This is also in the release notes.
 

Putty supports UTF-8.  You can go to the Window->Translation settings on 
the login screen and tell the application that the remote system uses 
UTF-8.  When your terminal emulator works, you don't have to break your 
system to support it.  ;-)



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Re: [viki@bol.net.in: Boycott Caldera/SCO Products]

2003-03-09 Thread Gordon Messmer
Vikram Goyal wrote:
Date: 08 Mar 2003 12:27:10 +0530
Subject: Boycott Caldera/SCO Products
Hi,

The SCO Group (aka Caldera Systems) has launched a major threat to the
Linux OS by suing IBM for $1 billion for IP violations. Their core
argument is that Linux would have remained a hobbyist OS if IBM had not
leaked SCO's Unix IP into it.
I didn't know it before, but a geology friend of mine told me this 
weekend what a "caldera" is:

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=caldera

It seemed... funny.



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Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
Andrew Kelly wrote:

naugaranch wrote:
 

Sounds like Red Hat is doing a MS-type end around.  Abandon the RH 8.x
series and introduce RH 9 because it doesn't have a bad reputation.
   

When a release puts a better product in the hands of 
the consumer it is a good and welcome thing. When a release
exists for the purpose of revenue generation or as part
of a bit of demographic infighting, everybody loses. 

It's sad to see how prevalent MSing is becoming in the 
Linux namespace.
 

Comparing Red Hat to MS is ridiculous.  As far as I can tell, Red Hats 
latest decisions, for which they've taken so much heat, are all the 
result of actually listening to their customers.

Bluecurve, for instance, began to solve the long lamented problem of 
Linux desktop apps lacking integration.  This came up over and over 
again for *years* before Bluecurve was developed.  And what did 
Bluecurve hurt?  You can still pick your own visual themes...

The new versioning seems like the ideal responce to the dual problem of 
new technologies taking too long to get into distribution, and old 
technologies being supported long enough for servers.  Now Red Hat is 
separating their products into two lines, each one of which will address 
one of those two concerns.  Red Hat Linux will get new technologies to 
users and developers quickly, while Red Hat Enterprise Linux will 
provide a stable platform for application vendors to target, and 
business customers to deploy for longer-term stability.  

Everyone has what they want, except for those who want the same old 
thing  If you want the same old thing, run Slackware.  It hasn't 
changed in YEARS.  As a consequence, it's a damn pain to maintain.

And quit complaining that Red Hat is doing things that the other vendors 
aren't doing.  If all of the vendors were doing the same things, there 
wouldn't be any reason for all of those vendors to continue doing business.



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Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
Daniel T. Drea wrote:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Gordon Messmer wrote:
 

Everyone has what they want, except for those who want the same old
thing  If you want the same old thing, run Slackware.  It hasn't
changed in YEARS.  As a consequence, it's a damn pain to maintain.
   

I take offense to that, as a longtime slackware and redhat user, I find
nothing hard about maintaining slackware in the least. This list is not
the place for mudslinging. Maybe you haven't changed in years, but I would
suggest you look over the software implimented in the new slackware 9.0,
you might be surprised. :)
 

I'm aware of Slackware's state.

I find that people who become accustomed to a thing no longer think that 
it's hard.  However, keeping a large farm of Slackware machines up to 
date is significantly more difficult than it is on any other common 
Linux distribution.  On Debian, you can "apt-get upgrade" and be done. 
On Red Hat, you can do the same, or you can subscribe to RHN and get a 
web based view of all of your machines, discover where updates need to 
be applied and apply them.  What has Slackware got that compares to that?

Slackware's package management tool is basically the same today as it 
was 7 years ago (or more).  Back then, it might have been acceptable, 
but today it is not.  Package management software is expected to track 
dependencies to prevent you from installing something that isn't going 
to run (like an update to openssh that was built on a different version 
of openssl).  Until such a thing is introduced, keeping a Slackware 
system up to date or installing new software on a Slackware system will 
be less reliable/simple than the same task on any other distribution.

It's not personal, and there's no reason for you to be offended.





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Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
Gerald Henriksen wrote:
I certainly can't recall messages on any of the Red Hat mailing lists
or any survey asking for Red Hat to price their Linux product at the
same price levels Microsoft charges, yet that is exactly what Red Hat
has done
They *have* been asked to provide a platform that will have a stable 
application interface for an extended period of time, and support for 
longer than 12 months.  That was not going to work out with the old 
release setup.  They'd have ended up testing errata for as many as 6 
platforms which would have resulted in longer time to errata (ever 
realize how long the non-Free Software competition takes?), and much 
higher costs to test and release errata.  The new system makes sense 
from that point of view.

I'm extatic.  Consumers and developers will get their hands on new 
technology faster, and "Enterprise" customers will have a long-term 
stable platform.


The base Red Hat product line (8.0, 9, whatever next) is no longer
suitable for business or the average home user.  You cannot expect a
company or joe user to upgrade their operating system every year
Then maybe they won't.  These customers probably also aren't going to be 
running network services, and can afford to worry significantly less 
about security errata.  If their systems "just work" then maybe they 
don't *need* to upgrade.

Most of the users I know upgrade that often anyway, so I still don't see 
the problem the same way you do.  If the new schedule gets consumers 
"cool" software sooner, I think that'll make most of them happy.

(which is now necessary given the 12 month limit on bug/security
fixes).
It's not a 12 month limit.  It's a 12 month guarantee.  Read their 
policy again:
Beginning with the 8.0 release, Red Hat will provide errata maintenance 
for at least 12 months from the date of initial release.

So your average person at home now has a choice of Windows XP at $300
or Red Hat Enterprise Workstation at $300 ($60 a year after the first
year for access to security fixes).  Guess what, XP comes with full
multimedia capabilities including MP3 and DVD, as well as a full range
of software available for purchase including games, tax software, etc.
Which would you choose?  And by the way, so far at least Microsoft
still offers free security fixes in the base price.
Microsoft does not, however, provide their product for free.  If Red Hat 
stopped offering FTP downloads, and *everyone* paid for the product, I 
think that free updates would be far more economically feasible.

I'm happy to have one platform that I can give to my mom, Freely, and 
purchase for work and development use.  If the free download edition 
disappeared someday, I'd probably use something else.  As long as it's 
there, I don't have cause to bitch.



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Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
Daniel T. Drea wrote:
Can large numbers of redhat machines be updated with a single comand from
one box?
That's what RHN is for, basically.

It's slackwares package management that I find make it "easier" to keep
updated with the latest releases of software. Just as you rely on rhn to
supply you updates to your redhat systems, slackware users can be
confident that errata and updates will be released in the patches section
of all slackware mirrors thus alleviating any worries of openssh being
built against different version of openssl :)
Which is fine, as long as you have no third party applications. 
Slackware's system is fine as long as you trust developers not to break 
things.  However, newer systems provide additional facilities to help 
make sure they don't.  I prefer to have those.

While I did say I was offended, you have misunderstood the seriousness of
my offense. I am no more offended by your puckering of slackware than I am
of any other linux distribution. I had assumed (here we go again) that the
inclusion of the " :) " at the end of my post showed that it was partially
in jest.
Sorry, I failed (I fail a lot) to apply the emoticon to the paragraph as 
a whole.



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Re: RH 9 - new glibc

2003-03-29 Thread Gordon Messmer
Eric Burke wrote:
Sorry, but
the whole NPTL gains nothing...no speed...nothing.No other Linux distro
is using it or planning on it. That in itself breaks compatibility and
the products usefulness.
What makes you think other distro's won't use it?  It's in glibc, and 
AFAIK, the changes have been accepted by kernel developers for 2.5.



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Re: RH 9.0 - changelog?

2003-03-29 Thread Gordon Messmer
Guy Fraser wrote:
I don't know about the licence issues RH claims to be at issue. It 
probably has somthing to do with the RHEL licensing, that conflicts with 
GPL or something like that, but that is just a guess. Other linux and 
BSD distributions don't seem to have a problem.
The Pine license doesn't allow anyone to distribute modified packages, 
which means that Red Hat can't publish a security update until UW does. 
 That's not an acceptable, or Free, license.

You're mistaken if you think that other distributions don't have to deal 
with this issue.  Pine is in Debian's "non-free" section, and is not 
distributed on their CD's.



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Re: More Samba

2003-04-03 Thread Gordon Messmer
Corey Head wrote:
In my log file, I get the following error:

[2003/04/03 07:51:30, 0] lib/access.c:check_access(333)
  Denied connection from  (192.168.1.50]
...
I also put this line in the smb.conf file:

   hosts allow = 192.168.1.0
That's not the right format.  It should be either:
hosts allow = 192.168.1.
or:
hosts allow = 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0


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Re: More Samba

2003-04-03 Thread Gordon Messmer
Corey Head wrote:
Well...I tried your suggested formats...but that actually didn't work
either.
Then I guess I need more information about your "global" section. 
Without that, I wouldn't know what your samba server is configured to 
disallow.



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Re: I/O error:

2003-04-04 Thread Gordon Messmer
Stephen Mah wrote:
I usually leave my computer on overnight and for the past two days I
noticed that my hard-drive light was constantly lit when I arrive to
work. When this occurs, the computer does not respond.
...
Here's the error that pops up:
Directory sread (sector 0x13) failed
I/O error: dev08:00, sector 19
(this message appears several times, then stopped)
Your hard disk is probably developing bad clusters that prevent some 
directory from being read.  It is likely to get worse: replace the drive.



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Re: Apt-get update question

2003-06-06 Thread Gordon Messmer
Stephen Liu wrote:
I download following RPMs
...
I tested rpm all of them and found them not suitable for RH 8.0 because
of many dependencies not available or updated.  
http://psyche.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=1002



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Re: X Window System, Minimum Installation

2003-05-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
Hattie Rouge wrote:
So if I'm not going to run a desktop on a server, just want to forward X
to my remote desktop, all I need is XFree86-libs (and dependencies)?
Cool!
Actually, if you want to use X11 forwarding over SSH, you'll need to 
install XFree86 and dependencies, as well.  The xauth tool wasn't (IIRC) 
separated until Shrike, and is required for X11 authentication spoofing.



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Re: stupid question

2003-05-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
Cameron Showalter wrote:
the > you are seeing is expecting another command in order to run.  are
there any crazy other characters included in the file names you are trying
to copy/move?
Yeah... crazy characters like the single quote character (') ??

I recommend tab completing filenames, so that bash can properly escape 
any shell special characters.



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Re: X System Minimums, Display Errors

2003-05-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
Mike Wagner wrote:
I installed XFree86-libs but unfortunately I get a Can't Open Display
Error when trying to run an X application such as xterm.
You must also install XFree86, so that xauth is installed, and configure 
sshd to allow X11 forwarding (and restart sshd).

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Re: ssh key type ?

2003-07-08 Thread Gordon Messmer
Allan M. Stewart wrote:
   I'm curious if there is any clear cut preference in choosing
RSA or DSA keys. 
I believe that DSA is more resistant to current theoretical attacks.

   I have been using DSA since this guarantees a connection under
protocol version 2.
RSA1 keys are different than RSA2 keys.  It doesn't matter if you use 
"rsa" or "dsa" as your key type; it will only work for ssh2.  Only 
"rsa1" keys work for ssh1.

Also, I seem to recall (but now can't find) that there was some question
about RSA copyright. 
It was patents which posed a problem.  Those patents are up, and there 
is no longer a problem.

For my purposes, the main use will be for batch jobs of scp. 
If you're security minded, it's more important to tie the key to the job 
than to pick the right key, I think.  For instance, if you want to copy 
files from one system to another, generate a key on the source, and 
install the public key on the destination with a "command" option like this:

command="scp -t /var/www/html/index.html" ssh-rsa .
(on the client, use "scp -i  new-index.html \
destination.host:/var/www/html/index.html" )
or:

command="rsync --server -a . /var/www/html/" ssh-rsa .
(on the client, use "rsync -a -e 'ssh -i ' \
/var/www/html/ destination.host:/var/www/html/" )


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Re: python installation create havoc

2003-07-08 Thread Gordon Messmer
Daniel Tan wrote:
now try running fetchmailconf and i got this...think it some how overwrite
something in my env file or then can't run it anymorehelp
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# fetchmailconf
/usr/bin/env: python: No such file or directory
Easiest fix is to re-install Red Hat's working package.



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Re: glibc installation

2003-07-08 Thread Gordon Messmer
Daniel Tan wrote:
i downloaded glibc-2.3.2 and untar it into a dir coz rpm does not work at
all.
...
need help fast :(...
K... so why does rpm "not work at all"?

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Re: glibc installation

2003-07-10 Thread Gordon Messmer
Daniel Tan wrote:
i saw a thread from the internet having similiar problem with mine but tat
guy can't rpm...so i thought i can't use rpm too...it might be broken...but
where do i download latest glibc rpms? the official page only have them in
gz or bz format...
If you're having problems with rpm, you probably need to do this:

killall -9 rpm
rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*
rpm --rebuilddb
up2date
Use up2date to apply all of Red Hat's bugfixes and errata.



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Re: Scripting question

2003-07-11 Thread Gordon Messmer
Leonard Miller wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/11/03 09:38AM >>>

cat file | grep -v ^\> file_nospace (that's a ^ followed by 
a \ followed by a space)
mv file_nospace file
>
> Thanks Alan,
> That worked great.  Now let me ask you this.
> I have another file with blank lines - no space or tabs, just
> carriage returns.
> Can I use that same line to remove those blank lines?
$ grep -v '^$' file > file_nospace

You can also accomplish both of your filters in one path like this:

$ egrep -v '^([[:space:]]|$)' file > file_nospace

That command will eliminate lines where the beginning of the line is 
followed either by whitespace or by the end of the line.



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Re: HomeDirectory and OpenLdap.

2003-07-16 Thread Gordon Messmer
Le Ngoc Thach wrote:
Hi all,
I have been using OpenLdap for Center Authentication. User's home 
directory is presented by attribute "homeDirectory" in OpenLdap.
I have 2 problems:
1) When a user login Linux (ex: using ssh from remote host), the home 
directory is not still created. So there is a error message:
"Could not chdir to home directory /home/$user: No such file or directory.
($user is real name of user).
Yes, if you want separate home dirs on each system, you could configure 
/etc/pam.d/system-auth on the client system to user PAM's 
"pam_mkhomdir.so" module.

2) I have 2 Linux Servers named A and B: A is running OpenLdap, B is not 
but using OpenLdap in A server for Authentication. When I login to B 
server, the home directory is in B. So, for a user, there are 2 home 
directory: one in A and one in B. Could I use a network directory for 
home directory?
Yes, you can export /home on A to B using either NFS or AFS:

http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/
http://www.openafs.org/
I believe that both are available in the default configuration of Red 
Hat Linux.

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Re: SUDO QUESTION

2003-07-29 Thread Gordon Messmer
jim car wrote:
Why can't a user issue the following commands using sudo?  It always 
comes back as permission denied.  The sudoer's password is accepted.

sudo cat ./httpd.tmp >> /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
In this example, two things are happening:
1) sudo authenticates the user and runs "cat ./httpd.tmp" as root
2) the user's shell attempts to open /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf and 
write the output of "sudo" into that file.

Redirection is not handled by "sudo", or any other command you run: it's 
a function of the shell in which the redirection was requested. 
Naturally, you can't sudo that.  You can however, accomplish what you 
want this way:

cat ./httpd.tmp | sudo dd if=/dev/stdin of=/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
  ( useless use of cat, primarily intended to display the use of
/dev/stdin )
or more simply:

sudo dd if=./httpd.tmp of=/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf

dd, unlike the shell, will do redirection in a command that can be 
evoked from sudo.



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Re: XFree86 Problem

2003-08-18 Thread Gordon Messmer
CJoeB wrote:
This is where the problem starts.  The next time I booted the computer
(I boot in text mode, rather than having x start automatically because,
if something happens like it did once before, I can at least get at my
files and transfer them to my Windows mount), the boot process went
okay, but when I tried to start x, x wouldn't start.  I got the error
message that it couldn't locate the module pcidata.  I am aware that the
file libpcidata.a is supposed to by located in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/
but it is now gone from my computer.
What does 'rpm -V XFree86' return?  For that matter, what does 'rpm -q 
XFree86' return?

You may be able to use up2date-nox to re-install the XFree86 package if 
it's damaged.



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Re: External Firewire Drives and Booting up

2003-08-31 Thread Gordon Messmer
Thomas Keller wrote:
Good Morning,
  I have a Linux box with two external firewire drives hooked up.  The 
issue I am having is if I reboot or if we are hit by a power outage and 
I need to bring the system back online, it fails because it does not 
recognize the firewire drives.  The error message says /dev/sda1 is an 
invalid block device.  To fix this problem, I just make a copy of 
/etc/fstab and then remove the entries for the firewire drives, then 
reboot system.  After system comes back up, I then move the copied 
version of /etc/fstab back and do a mount -a and the firewire drives are 
again useable. 
Compare the output of "lsmod" after boot when the problem occurs, and 
after boot when everything's working.  You might want to send your 
/etc/modules.conf to the list.



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Re: RPM handling of %{_sysconfdir}

2002-10-19 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 12:33, Jesse Keating wrote:
> In /var/lib/rpm/macros   %{_sysconfdir} is defined as %{_prefix}/etc. 

You mean /usr/lib, but...  In /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/macros _sysconfdir is
defined as just /etc







Re: RPM handling of %{_sysconfdir}

2002-10-19 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 13:41, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2002 13:35:41 -0700
> Gordon Messmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> # On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 12:33, Jesse Keating wrote:
> # > In /var/lib/rpm/macros   %{_sysconfdir} is defined as
> # > %{_prefix}/etc. 
> # 
> # You mean /usr/lib, but...  In /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/macros _sysconfdir
> # is defined as just /etc
> 
> [jkeating@yoda jkeating]$ grep _sysconfdir /usr/lib/rpm/macros 
> %_sysconfdir%{_prefix}/etc

Right, we covered /usr/lib/rpm/macros.  However,
/usr/lib/rpm/redhat/macros is parsed after (or instead of, I don't know
which) /usr/lib/rpm/macros.  _sysconfdir ends up defined as /etc.









Re: VIM and accents

2002-10-21 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 13:16, cfraz wrote:
> VIM doen't seems to support locale with accents ; how can one manage
> with that ?

Works for me with an out-of-the-box configuration?  What locale are you
using?  How are you inputing accented characters?








Re: ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 conversion

2002-10-21 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 04:25, Karsten Weiss wrote:
> 
> I would like to know how you are currently handling the
> conversion of you systems to UTF-8. Please share your
> experience!

I've only had a few filenames to convert myself.  It was fairly simple. 
Havoc posted a script to do it   Interesting notes on the subject
include:
https://listman.redhat.com/pipermail/psyche-list/2002-October/001965.html
https://listman.redhat.com/pipermail/psyche-list/2002-October/001027.html

> * Is there a program similar which can determine the
>   character set of a given text file? I know there is iconv
>   to convert character sets of text files. But I still
>   don't know a program which tells me if a given file is
>   encoded in ISO-8859-1, ISO-8869-15, a Windows code page,
>   etc.

Uh... not really.  That's what's wrong with locale-specific encodings:
nothing about the file itself really indicates what encoding was used. 
The representation of the bytes changes based on the locale you're using
when you edit the file.

> * Which program are you using to convert you're ISO-8859-1
>   file systems (directory- and filenames - not the file
>   contents!) to UTF-8?

See the second message linked above.

> * I'm not sure how I am supposed to handle all my text files.
>   All of them are using ISO-8859-1 right now. But now that
>   I'm using Red Hat 8 I'm never sure if the text editor
>   saves them in ISO-8859-1 or UTF-8.

All but the really basic editors should do the Right Thing and save in
UTF-8 text.  If you want to check, use "od -c" and see what bytes are
used where you have non-ascii characters in your files.

> * What about other non-UTF-8-aware machines accessing my
>   files? File "formats" without a text encoding tag are
>   becoming really problematic now, aren't they?

Anything worth using understands UTF-8, AFAIK.

> * How to convert ID3 tags?

Good question;  I've been working on the same thing.  I'm testing a
script that a friend of mine's been working on... nothing I'd really
recommend at the moment.  Most MP3 software just happily writes
ISO-8859-1 characters.  OGG Vorbis files don't seem to have the same
problem.  I think 'vorbiscomment' converts the encodings properly.

> PS: The non-working umlauts in pine with a WONTFIX bug status
>   is a major problem for me.

Use a better mailer (doesn't mutt support UTF-8?) or request that the
pine maintainers fix it.  The pine license sorta sucks, and I think it
prevents Red Hat from fixing problems themselves.  The same sort of
thing is the reason that Red Hat doesn't ship qmail... :-/









Re: auth_ldap alternative?

2002-10-22 Thread Gordon Messmer
> --On Monday, October 21, 2002 08:32:23 PM -0400 Chris Johnson 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Since the auth_ldap package is no longer included to add ldap server
> > based authentication to apache, is there an alternative package to
> > provide that functionality?  Why was auth_ldap not included in 8.0?

Probably because it doesn't work with apache 2.0.  Your options seem to
be to continue using 7.3 as a production web server (an excellent
choice, I'd think) or to update auth_ldap for apache 2.0, if you require
those packages.  If you don't have programming experience, it's not hard
to find contractors who do.








Re: Multi-Gnome-Terminal + slrn problem

2002-10-22 Thread Gordon Messmer
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 03:12:29PM -0700, Monte Milanuk wrote:
> > 
> > Slrn fired up ok, and worked rather nicely, until I went to expand a
> > thread.  In MGT, using screen, it showed the infamous 'mq> instead
> > of '->' for the threading arrows.  In MGT w/ no screen, it showed
> > some kind of funky dotted box, kind of like what you see in some
> > html articles instead of a " ' ".  In xterm it worked as
> > advertised.

Have you tried the default GNOME 2 terminal?  It now supports multiple
tabs...








Re: gdk_imlib problem ...

2002-11-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 17:56, Mircea wrote:
> After one of the 
> updates, I started getting an error message every time I open a window 
> in X : "gdk_imlib ERROR: Cannot load image: 
> /usr/share/themes/BeCool/gtk/shadow_in.png. All fallbacks failed." .

Could be that file is corrupt, and libpng now detects that properly? 
Try using a GTK+ theme other than BeCool.




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Re: Adding language after install without reinstalling?

2002-10-24 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 01:38, Stephen Liu wrote:
> 
> I already have apt-get installed.  I could not recall the name of its
> package.  Are they the same?

apt-get is the command line installer in the "apt" package.  Synaptic
has a GTK+ GUI for updating and installing packages.








Re: DNS-setup - need a little help ...

2002-10-28 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 08:22, Kevin McConnell wrote:
> 
> --- hans privat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > And I am a beginner - not an experienced DNS-admin.
> > am sorry about but
> > it is true.
> 
> Check out this url for some DNS help:
> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html

And I might toss in a project of my own:
http://www.dragonsdawn.net/~gordon/bind-config/

Though, I really should get around to adding PTR support sometime...








Re: issues

2002-10-28 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 04:38, anthony baldwin wrote:
> Now, I tried to reinstall RealPlayer, and was told that it was 
> already installed, but, as I said before, I can't seem to find it 
> anywhere, so I can't even remove it to reinstall with my limited 
> knowledge.

What, via rpm?  Try:
rpm -q RealPlayer

Or, use this:
rpm -qf `which realplay`

> Also, even signed in as root, I could not install java runtime
> support (blackdown, which I downloaded from Sun).  I was told 
> "Permission Denied" when I tried to run the install script.

Root doesn't magically get execute permission for normal files; make it
exectuable:

chmod +x ./install

Both Sun and IBM offer JRE's and JDK's in RPM format.  I personally
recommend the IBM JRE/JDK, as it is faster and more stable, in my
experience.

> I really want to get my printer issues resolved, too.  The driver
> worked fabulously in 7.2, but the installation hangs before 
> completion no matter what I try, now.

What driver?  Completion of what?








Re: chmod 4755 /usr/bin/smbmount

2002-10-31 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 10:42, Brian K. Jones wrote:
> 
> So up to the user's office I go - I change the permissions exactly like
> I did on my Psyche box, and something different happened. I got an error
> saying: "libsmb tool MUST NOT be suid root".  WTF???

On the user's box, you probably changed the permissions of
/usr/bin/smbmount (just like the subject) instead of /usr/bin/smbmnt.

Mark the correct one SUID, and it'll work.








Re: OT: mail clients was Re: ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 conversion

2002-11-01 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 20:32, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> On 24 Oct 2002, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> >I would have said the same a year or so ago.  At the time, I started
> >trying other clients because pine lacked the one feature that I really
> >wanted at the time: message threading.
> 
> Bzzzt, wrong.  Pine has supported message threading for _ages_.  

It sorts by thread, but that's not what I'm talking about.  I'm want the
logical display of threads, like this:
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/info/fancy.html

Mutt's had that for "ages".  Though I'm not, in either case, sure what
constitutes "ages".  I'm fairly sure that mutt had proper threading
before pine even had the keyword (which seems to have happened in what,
pine 4.3?)

> That certainly however is one feature that many non-pine users 
> claim that pine does not have though (proving they've never 
> actually _looked_).

I've used pine for years, since about '97.  I've looked.  I only started
using Evolution recently... maybe one year ago.  I still use pine when
I'm not at home or work.

> Feel free to suggest other features that pine doesn't have, that 
> it does actually have if you like.  There's usually a list of 
> about 6-7 features that it doesn't have, but it does.  Threading 
> just seems to be the most recurrent FUD claim.

I don't have any reason to FUD pine.  It's a fairly good program.  It's
message composer is the best I've used, GUI or no.  It still doesn't
have proper message threading.








Re: RH8 on its own unique time-space continuum

2002-11-02 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 08:29, Jim Christiansen wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else done a RH8 install to discover that whether you choose 
> net-time, or not, even root can not adjust the time or date?

No.  It works for me  ;)








Re: Kernel Challenged

2002-11-03 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 08:34, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> 
> if it's convenient, why bother having to make an initrd at all?
> since you're building a new kernel, you might as well just build
> ext3 support into the kernel proper.  then you can dispense with
> this whole mkinitrd business.
> 
> frankly, i'm still puzzled why red hat doesn't do that in the first
> place.  i've heard the argument that it's not done since red hat
> considers ext3 to still be "experimental".

I don't think that's correct...

> if that's the case,
> why is ext3 the default FS for installation?

It wouldn't be if Red Hat had doubts about it.

I believe the reason is that the kernel image has a maximum size; 
everything that can be a module is so that the kernel doesn't overflow
that size.








Re: memory issue

2002-11-04 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 17:05, Ben Dugdale wrote:
> You might want to look throught the Enigma list archives, a month or 
> less ago there was quite and long discussion on this.

This one?
https://listman.redhat.com/pipermail/enigma-list/2002-October/017333.html








Re: Why is gnome-teminal so slow?

2002-11-07 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 11:19, Jean Francois Martinez wrote:
> Gnome-terminal like shipped in RedHat  8.0 is very, very, very slow.
> The funny thing is that Mandrake 9 cames with exactly the same version
> and it is about ten times faster (not an exaggeration).

I'd guess that Mandrakes uses the Zvt widget, while Red Hat's version
uses the newer VTE (which supports i18n, accessibility, Xft2...)

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-July/msg00426.html








Re: Man pages have รข instead of -

2002-11-11 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 21:33, Jerry Williams wrote:
> env shows:
> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
...
> I am using Putty to ssh to the box.
> Thanks in advance for any help!

On putty's startup screen click on "Tranlation" under "Window", and
select the UTF-8 character set.

You can set that to the default character set by going back to the first
config pane, clicking default, and clicking the "save" button.








Re: bash and perl output of 'hello' with no \n doesn't work

2002-11-15 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 06:54, Brian K. Jones wrote:
> On Friday 15 November 2002 5:54 am, John wrote:
> >
> > I'm beginning to think Psyche is a good one to miss.
> 
> Amen brother.  This will also slow my dept's adoption of the next release.  
> Inevitably, I'll also end up having to run another distro somewhere in the 
> department just so I'm comfortable enough with another distro to change if we 
> feel the need.  I recommended against upgrading our servers to 8.0.

There's nothing wrong with that policy.  I always use the last minor
release of the last series (currently 7.3) on servers, so there's no
pressure from any user or admin to upgrade because a new minor release
was made.  7.3 is an excellent platform, and it will continue to be
stable and supported for a long time coming.

> If I 
> need to do it again for the next release, it's not gonna fly, we'll have to 
> either hack the hell out of the 7.3 boxes or switch distros.  

Why, do you operate under some sort of mandate that you must operate
under the latest release?  That's just a little bit ridiculous. 
Upgrading for the sake of the latest release, without some compelling
reason only creates needless downtime.





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Re: database front end gui

2002-11-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 18:36, anthony baldwin wrote:
> Hvae any of you run pgAccess?  

Yes.

> Are there any other non-proprietary, gpl database gui front ends?

http://freshmeat.net/browse/68/?topic_id=68
http://www.gnome-db.org/

> I am having difficulty with pgAccess.  I htink it may be an issue with my
> Postgres set up.  I seem to be unable to create a non-root user, but
> cannot sign in as "su postgres '.

postgres doesn't have a password unless you set one.  Only root can,
therefore:
su postgres -c psql
or:
su postgres -c "createuser -d username"

> I want to catalog my books and do a few other things.

There are simpler answers to that need that setting up a SQL server.




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Re: database front end gui

2002-11-18 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 07:15, Jesse Keating wrote:
> [jkeating@yoda jkeating]$ su -
> Password: 
> [root@yoda root]# vmware
> 
> And it pops right up.   So, what am I doing that is different from what
> you are doing?

Probably different versions of pam...  Seems like you have a working
version of pam_xauth.so, and Russ does not.

A number of people are fond of using the SSH trick to get root shells on
their box, and generally it works.  It's got its advantages, but its
disadvantages, too.  For instance, if I 'su -' to root and run an X app,
(which I rarely need to, with Red Hat's consolehelper setup) the X
traffic does not have to be encrypted and decrypted on the same
processor, and travels over only a UNIX socket rather than a TCP socket
*and* a UNIX socket.  There's considerably less processing involved...




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Re: database front end gui

2002-11-18 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 07:42, Jesse Keating wrote:
> 
> Wait a second, why in gods name is xterm suid root?  It's not on my 8.0
> box, neither is my term of choice, aterm...  

It had been for  a very long time, so that it can write entries into
wtmp.




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Re: database front end gui

2002-11-18 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 08:24, John Weber wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 08:39, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Probably different versions of pam...  Seems like you have a working
> > version of pam_xauth.so, and Russ does not.
> 
> 
> I played with the pam file for su (/etc/pam.d/su). I commented out the
> line
> sessionoptional /lib/security/pam_xauth.so
> 
> and X display for su to regular users is disabled, but it still works
> for su to root. Anybody get the same results and know why root is still
> able to display?

If you 'su' and not 'su -', then your environment is preserved, and the
X cookie doesn't need to be forwarded by pam_xauth.  At least, not to
root.  Everyone you 'su' to will have the appropriate XAUTHORITY
environment variable set, but only root can read the file it points to.

So, yes... what you're seeing is normal behavior.




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Re: database gui frontend

2002-11-18 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sun, 2002-11-17 at 12:48, anthony baldwin wrote:
> 
> I have also tried MysqlCC, but there I get server errors, which
> confounds me because I am not trying to build a database on a server,
> but simply on my desktop machine.

SQL is always client/server, even if it's all on your desktop machine.

> I have used M$Access to build databases for school, grades,
> library catalogs, etc, and that is the only experience I have with 
> databases.  I want a tool that will allow me that kind of ease of 
> use.  I thought I found two such tools but I can;t seem to use them.  
> So, I have having no luck using the two database applications on here 
> (postgres or MySql).  Someone has suggested that I use OpenOffice to 
> create a database, but that is the one application that Star has the 
> OO does not.

So buy Star Office, or Rekall:
http://www.thekompany.com/projects/rekall/




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Re: Utility to satisfy rpm dependencies ?

2002-11-18 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 05:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Does exist any utility to search which rpms are necessary to satisfy a rpm
> dependencies ?

Red Hat Linux includes redhat-config-packages, which will do what you
want, but is limited to the CD's that you installed from.

RHL also includes up2date, which wil ldo what you want, but is limited
to networks servers that Red Hat operates.

You can obtain "apt" and "synaptic" (gui for apt) from freshrpms.net,
which will also do what you want.  In addition to resolving dependencies
among Red Hat's packages, they can fetch programs and resolve
dependencies among additional apt servers.  For instance, if you follow
the directions here:
http://gstreamer.net/releases/redhat/
you can install gstreamer and rhythmbox, and any dependencies they have
from Red Hat Linux.



> 
> I need it because I would to install the GNOME desktop manger on my linux
> box, but
> I think it requires a long list of rpms and I haven't any idea of which
> ones are necessary
> and in which order I should install them !!! :(
> 
> Note: I have got only windowmaker as windows manager on my RH 8.0 (i386)
> 
> Thank you :)
> 
> 
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Re: bash and perl output of 'hello' with no \n doesn't work

2002-11-19 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 01:34, Miloslav Trmac wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:50:03AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> > This isn't a bug.  You're not generating a final '\n' character, 
> > and as such, when the program exits, and bash goes to display the 
> > prompt, it overwrites the 'hello' thus showing nothing.
> Mike, although I won't show you a reference to POSIX ;-), I consider

I doubt you'd find much useful in POSIX.

> it at least an "unfortunate regression".
> a) it worked for ages, and just using rpm --qf '%{arch}' was good enough
>before

It was good enough to put a bunch of crap on one line that wasn't spaced
properly, and was otherwise completely unreadable.  At the end, your
prompt would be *somewhere* on the terminal...  When has it ever been
useful or acceptable to not generate newlines?  Seriously, how could you
possibly make sense of this output (which you yourself suggest):
rpm -qa --qf "%{NAME} %{VERSION}-%{RELEASE} %{ARCH}"

It was never "good enough" before.

> b) it makes information unavailable. If I had a program that took two
>weeks to complete and didn't output the final '\n', I would be very
>much disappointed ;-).

So would I... Disappointed that anyone who wrote a program that ran for
two weeks would a) write output to a terminal: the place it's MOST
LIKELY to be lost entirely, and b) didn't format the output to be
readable.

I'd probably be suspect enough to never trust the results enough to even
run the program a second time.  "rm -rf piss-poor-program"  :-)




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Re: imapd information

2002-11-20 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 18:57, Nadeem Bitar wrote:
> What are other people running for IMAP servers?

Courier-MTA contains well integrated SMTP, IMAP, and POP3:
http://www.courier-mta.org/

Apt-get'able here:
http://www.dragonsdawn.net/apt/redhat/




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Re: Help with PostgreSQL startup

2002-11-21 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 08:21, Daniel WELLS wrote:
> PostgreSQL starts when the computer boots but it does not 
> accept TCP/IP connection.  I have to stop the service and start it on 
> a command line with the "-i" option to get it to work.  What do I need
> to do to get the service to startup correctly?

Since the question was already answered, I'll suggest that when you
direct your code to connect to the server, you simply do not provide a
hostname.  In this case, the SQL client will try to use the local UNIX
socket, rather than TCP/IP.  In this configuration, you do not expose
the database server to remote network attacks.  The default is ideal if
you are running your SQL code and the server on the same machine.  You
should only turn on TCP/IP if you are actually querying the machine from
a remote host.



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Re: Questiona about owner option in fstab.{2nd try]

2002-11-21 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 15:42, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Well I blew it . I did not explain the problem because it was a
> valhalla problem. But for completeness we had students on our lab
> login to a machine console and not be able to mount a cdrom
> because the device /dev/hdc was owned by someone else. Has any one
> see this?

Yes, it happens when users don't log out properly, or don't log out at
all.  For instance, if a user is logged in on a text console, and a
second user logs in to X, the second user does not get ownership of the
files.  Also, if a user logs in to X, and then uses a three finger
salute (CTRL+ALT+Backspace) to log off, he'll maintain ownership of the
files.  It's not pretty.  The pam_console system relies on users to
behave themselves, and co-operate.




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Re: Pros Only! RH8.0 and PHP Bug. (Gordon Messmer - where are you?)

2002-11-21 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 15:23, Joel Webb wrote:
> 
> Gordon and all. Here is what I have from the test that you gave me to do. 
> The question how do I force the PHP to use /usr/sbin as the directory to 
> find the sendmail in??

You don't have to.  The script knows where to look.

> > + test -z /usr/sbin
> > + test -f /usr/sbin/sendmail
> > + ac_cv_path_PROG_SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail
> > + break
> > sh-2.05b$ echo PATH IS "$ac_cv_path_PROG_SENDMAIL"
> > + echo PATH IS /usr/sbin/sendmail
> > PATH IS /usr/sbin/sendmail

OK... well, that's exactly what the configure script does, and that
would indicate success.  So... why is it not working for you?  I dunno. 
Try running "rpmbuild -bb php.spec" until it runs the configure script. 
Then, CTRL+C to stop the build, copy the configure line, and run the
script yourself with debugging.  That is:

cd /var/tmp/BUILD/php-
sh -x ./configure . > configure.debug 2>&1

That will run through the configure script and print all of the steps
into the file configure.debug.  Then you can look for sendmail in that
file to see what's going on.  If you can't figure it out, then bzip2 the
file and put it somewhere we can see it.  Please don't send it to the
list.




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Re: Help with PostgreSQL startup

2002-11-21 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 14:28, Daniel WELLS wrote:
> O.K. Maybe I haven't expressed myself very well.  My question ,
> while you may have given me an answer, it wasn't clear enough for me 
> to follow.

The advice was incorrect, look at the file:
/var/lib/pgsql/data/postgresql.conf




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Re: Help with PostgreSQL startup

2002-11-22 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 23:57, FredBriand wrote:
> 
> I may mystake because I configured my serveur some times ago (i'm still 
> using RH73!) and that's not the kind of thing I modify for fun, but if I 
> remember well, and I think I do, postgresql's default conf is not to 
> accept tcp/ip connections. If you wish to, just modify pg_hba.

pg_hba.conf configures access control mechanisms.  postgresql.conf
configures daemon options, such as whether or not to listen on the TCP
port.

> Yet if it still does'nt work, I suppose you can add the -i in the 
> /etc/init.d/postgresql.

Bad idea:  updates or errata will replace the init file, and interrupt
service.  Configure the TCP socket where it's supposed to be configured,
and the future will bring you less trouble.




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Re: error: no acceptable cc in $PATH (plus other errors) Help!

2002-11-29 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 14:53, Shizznik McRuube wrote:
> I couldn't find where the gcc package was on the red hat 8 CD's 
> 
> What site can I find that will tell me where the gcc package and
> makeinfo package can be found. on the cds that is.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/whichcd/

> here is the output of the latest try on ./configure 
...
> checking whether the C++ compiler (gcc  ) works... no
> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler
> cannot create executables.

At the very least, you are going to need to install:
gcc
gcc-c++
cpp
make
glibc-devel
glibc-kernheaders
binutils

Additionally, you will need the -devel package for any library used by
the program you're trying to compile.  For instance, to compile a
program that uses the mysql library, you'd need "mysql-devel".




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Re: error: no acceptable cc in $PATH (plus other errors) Help!

2002-11-29 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 15:58, Shizznik McRuube wrote:
> 
> At the very least, you are going to need to install:
> gcc
> gcc-c++
> cpp
> make
> glibc-devel
> glibc-kernheaders
> binutils
> 
> I believe I have installed all the packages needed however I still am
> receiving errors
...
> checking whether the C++ compiler (gcc  ) works... no
> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler
> cannot create executables.

Then you're probably wrong  ;)

This should tell you which you have installed:
rpm -q gcc gcc-c++ cpp make glibc-devel glibc-kernheaders binutils

If that doesn't work, look at config.log, there should be useful error
messages there.




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Re: ANSI graphics not displaying properly in 8.0

2002-12-06 Thread Gordon Messmer
Well, where are you seeing the problem?  Ncurses, for instance, works
properly in a local gnome-terminal, xterm, and the system consoles.

If you're seeing the problem on a remote terminal emulator, then you
need to tell your terminal emulator that the RHL system is using a UTF-8
character set.  When you tell your term the correct character set,
ncurses (among other things) will display properly.

If you're having a problem with some hokey application spitting out 8
bit characters on the system console, hoping that they'll form some
fruity graphics, then maybe those applications need to be updated to
UTF-8.

In either of those cases, what you're seeing isn't a bug.  It's a change
that will be the case for future releases.

The old, bad, behavior can be had by setting LANG to en_US in
/etc/sysconfig/i18n.


On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 20:03, Justin Zygmont wrote:
> I just looked at this, does anyone know how to change the console font, 
> and if this is just a bug that makes the ansis and ncurses display 
> improperly or is that the way it will be from now on.
> 
> responses from anyone who knows would be greatly appreciated.
> thanks..
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Michael Fratoni wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday 05 December 2002 12:28 am, Justin Zygmont wrote:
> > > I have noticed that ANSI graphics are all messed up in 8.0.  in 7.3 it
> > > worked fine, does anyone have an idea why, could they have changed the
> > > default console font in 8.0?
> > 
> > They could have, yes. ;)
> > 
> > grep -A 20 "Distribution General Notes"
> > /usr/share/doc/redhat-release-8.0/RELEASE-NOTES-i386
> > 




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Re: really exasperating cd burner issues

2002-12-06 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 21:33, Matt Whiteley wrote:
> I have posted this before, and I have struggled with it and still cannot
> figure out a solution.  I have also posted to hardware newgroups and
> forums to no avail.  Basically if I burn an audio cd or rip from an
> audio cd my computer becomes unresponsive until that task is finished.

Audio disk can not (currently) use DMA.  That could be your problem, but
it sounds awful severe for that.  Is your CD drive on the same channel
as the fs you're reading/writing to?

My hard disks are hda, and hdb, CD drive is hdc and I don't have similar
issues when reading an audio CD.




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Re: Problem with FAM ?

2002-12-08 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 14:14, Cedric Chausson wrote:
> I often get messages in the XFree Log that says :
> 
> FAMOpen failed, FAMErrno=0
> 
> I have package fam-2.6.8.4 installed.

You've probably either turned off the sgi_fam service or portmap.  If
you want to use FAM, they both have to be running.




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Re: Specifying PAM as the authentication method to use in SSH(Client)

2002-12-09 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 22:28, leeweiqi wrote:
> Hi, I'm trying to connect to an ssh server that uses PAM, but can't seem to "tell" 
>my ssh client to connect using PAM.
> How do i do this?

You don't.  PAM is an implementation detail of the password
authentication method on the server side.  "pam" is not a valid option
for "PreferredAuthentications".

> debug1: got SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT 
> debug1: authentications that can continue: publickey,password,[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> debug1: no more auth methods to try 

It didn't continue because none of the methods supported by the server
were in your "PreferredAuthentications".

> Another command: 
> ssh -l user123 mysshserver.com -v 
...
> Permission denied (publickey,[EMAIL PROTECTED]). 
> debug1: Calling cleanup 0x80674b0(0x0) 
> 
> What's wrong? Thanks for all help!

Consult the logs on mysshserver.com.  You might find useful information
in /var/log/secure or /var/log/messages.




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Re: post-installation suggestions for RH 8.0

2002-12-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 10:30, Samuel Flory wrote:
> Tommy McNeely wrote:
> 
> > the i18n should not be modified. if you have an app that is acting 
> > funny, then just do
> >
> > $ export LANG=C
> > $ man whatever
> 
>   Actually putting this in your .bashrc is a better fix.  
> alias man="env LANG=C man"

For "man", the better fix is to tell your terminal what character set to
use.  That way you fix the client rather than breaking the server.




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Re: Macromedia Flash plugin 6 released for x86 Linux

2002-12-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 01:42, Warren Togami wrote:
> David Durst wrote:
> > Hm, this is interesting.
> > I didn't hear that they had started work on the x86 plugin till last week.
> > Is the source available?
> 
> No, Macromedia is still a proprietary company with plenty of 
> intellectual property to protect.  There are likely several patents 
> including Sorenson video codec within the source code, making it 
> impossible to open source.

I've never heard that Sorenson or Quicktime were used in Flash...

Flash 6 is an open, documented file format:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/open/licensing/fileformat/faq.html

Macromedia even suggests on the above page that you search
sourceforge.net for "swf" for code that deals with the file format.

> If you are a developer wishing to port Flash player to another platform 
> (like Linux PowerPC) it may be possible to license the Flash SDK under 
> NDA for this purpose.  I'm trying to ask for this myself...

Good luck  :)





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Re: Mozilla silently omits HTML graph

2002-12-15 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 13:10, David A. De Graaf wrote:
> There's a show-stopper in RH 8.0 for me that I haven't seen discussed.
> Mozilla and galeon display incorrectly my Schwab account web page.
> A little graph of stock prices is missing.  As far as I can tell, this
> is an "HTML Advanced Chart", but there's no error message, or any
> indication that this critical part of the web page cannot be shown.

> Two screenshots of the same page with mozilla and netscape are at:
> http://datix.2y.net/mozilla/mozilla.png
> http://datix.2y.net/mozilla/netscape.png

>From the screenshots, the missing bit looks more like an image than
anything else.  If you want to diagnose this, I'd recommend viewing the
HTML that the lower frame is composed of, and search for "bigchart.com",
which may be where the image is loaded from.  Try to determine what's
wrong with the image tag (maybe it's outside of the  tags, and
invalid).  If you can't tell what's wrong, save the HTML and show it to
someone who might know.




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Re: --bind mounts in fstab?

2002-12-16 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 01:36, Warren Togami wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a proper way of using "--bind" mounts in /etc/fstab?

This should work:

/src/dir/dst/dirnonebind0 0




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