Re: Starting the phone app automatically after unlocking the phone after upgrading to iOS 5.1

[James Mannion]

One way to avoid it if it really bothers you is to slide to unlock
instead of double tapping to unlock.

On 3/20/12, Lewis Alexander  wrote:
> this is not a deliberate action. this is a software flaw and confirmed. what
> is actually happening is a "considered tap" so that as soon as you unlock,
> the first app you consider tapping calls up the previous app or assigned
> dock app first. so this is something we need to fix.
>
> lew
>
> On 20 Mar 2012, at 21:15, jason lefevers wrote:
>
>> yes I believe this is a bug in the 5.1 update my 4S did not do this untill
>> then. However I think apple may have done it on purpose . It launches the
>> app that is first in your doc. So if you have a app that you want to
>> launch every time you unlock your phone put it first in yourdoc. This only
>> occurs when you touch the screen right away after unlocking but not after
>> waiting a sec to do anything. jason n Mar 20, 2012, at 4:39 PM, David Hole
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks.
>>> I remember the discussion on iOS 5.1 a week ago, and tried to search
>>> the group before posting this, but I couldn't find anything related.
>>> Since I thought this was a nice idea, I didn't care that much, but
>>> right now this is beginning to piss me a bit off...
>>> As the subject says... Have anyone of you had that thing with your
>>> iPhone 4S?
>>> If so, is it that way it should be, or is it a bug?
>>> If it is a bug, is there something to do with that, or do we have to
>>> wait for Apple to do something?
>>> -Best regards David
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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[James Mannion]

Which is why this stupid nonsense will probably rob us of access in
the name of their closed minded greed until the old members of the
gild all die and we get minds in there with open minds to a moddern
world perspective. The good part is there excessive greed will put
them under extra stress which will drive them to the grave sooner.

On 3/22/12, Esther  wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
> You're correct that the policy of blocking VoiceOver access to eBook content
> in the Kindle app arises from the Author's Guild suit, but the guild is
> mostly worried about readers who are not visually impaired making use of
> these text-to-speech capabilities to listen to ebooks instead of buying
> audiobooks.  It's the very fact that Apple has been building in VoiceOver
> capabilities into every iOS device and computer that constitutes the danger,
> from their point of view.  That's why a Kindle app for the PC, that can be
> used with screen readers like JAWS, has been released, but there is no
> similar application for the Mac.  If the only way that you could access the
> Kindle ebook content on your computer was by investing in blindness-specific
> software that equals or exceeds the cost of your computer, it's pretty hard
> to argue that you configured your machine this way just to avoid buying the
> audiobook versions.  But the fact that every iPhone, iPod Touch, an iPad now
> support VoiceOver, and that the same is true for every Mac, means that any
> user of an iPhone, Mac, etc. could enable VoiceOver functionality in reading
> Kindle ebooks, if this capability were not explicitly blocked.
>
> And so, if you carry the argument of the Author's Guild to its natural
> conclusion, non-visually impaired Kindle customers who find VoiceOver's
> reading "good enough" to listen to, will turn on this feature instead of
> buying audiobook versions that they would otherwise purchase.
>
> HTH.  Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>
>> That's not quite true.  It's not because of copy right.  The truth is
>> this.  It's because of the Author's guild.  They don't want the blind to
>> be able to read their books without extra costs.  Their twisted reasoning
>> is that the text to speech tecnhology will rob them of sales.  Every
>> single organization of the blind is fighting this stipid infantile logic.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Hank Smith wrote:
>>
>>> so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks?
>>> On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote:

 Hi Jeff,

 There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's
 ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights
 management.  This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble Nook
 app, for example.  You'll notice that usually you can access everything
 except for the actual content of the text.  That's being blocked.  You
 can verify this by taking a screen capture, and sending the results to
 an OCR app like Prizmo or TextGrabber.  The OCR app will tell you what
 the contents are, but obviously you're not going to read the book by
 screen capturing every page and sending it to an OCR app.

 If you want to read another example of this viewpoint, that the ability
 of screen readers to access text would promote copyright violation, take
 a look at Greg Kearney's posted response from Fictionwise in the
 archives, sent in reply to his inquiry about ebook accessibility for
 their ebook reading app just a few months after the iPhone 3GS was
 released with VoiceOver support:
 • Fwd: Response for Support Ticket #102495
 http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg06200.html
 Since this is the Mail Archive post, if you're reading on your computer,
 you can also use access key shortcuts of Control-N to read down the
 thread for other reader comments.

 Best,

 Esther

 On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Forget it.  It ain't gonna happen.
>
> It ain't accessible at all.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my
>> wife is reading.  I can't, however, figure out how to get it to work.
>> Has anybody had success with the Kindle app?  Is it accessible?  Any
>> tips?
>>
>> It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of
>> rendering the text.
>>
>> Thx,
>> Je

Re: Help with navigon

[James Mannion]

It sounds like maybe you don't have it set for voice guidance? I don't
know. I haven't really used it since the version 2 mess. I hear it is
mostly back and a respectable solution again. I downloaded the most
recent update, but haven't used it.

On 3/24/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
> I tried to use navigon and I used to get turn by turn directions but now it
> only tells me when I'vereached my destination but if I don't know how to get
> there it does me no good. I don't know why it stopped doing what I need it
> to do. It didn't even give me the names of the cross streets.
>
> Help!
>
>
>
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>
> On Mar 24, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> What is the NFB, ACB, and other organisations who support print disable
>> people doing about this?
>>
>> They have the funds and expertise to challenge it in a class action. I
>>
>> In relation to the number of people who have been restricted from reading
>> Ebooks via this method is larger then America. This effects any country
>> that you can buy Amazon books. The DMR also effects purchasing of Audio
>> books from other english speaking country. So the Authors Gill is forcing
>> American law on to other countries which is a bigger problem.
>>
>> The problem has to be fixed within USA. So guys I would suggest you all
>> start talking to your federal members of government, NFB, etc. Get
>> everyone involved who is USA and feels the same. Make this a real big
>> problem. Being quite about it or complaining on this or other list isn't
>> enough.
>>
>> Get out there and do something proactive. I would, but I am not an
>> American citizen. So I cannot even leave base one.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On 25/03/2012, at 4:26 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>
>>> Say Steve, your reply appears to be way at the bottom of the message.
>>> Unless i am mistaken, it seems to be common practice to set one's e-mail
>>> client to set the reply at the top of the message.  Less scroling down.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 07:03:30PM -0700, Jamie Tachiyama wrote:
> They get around it by making the Kindle for PC app accessible.
>
>
> On 3/22/12, Hank Smith  wrote:
>> so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the
>> ebooks?
>> On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote:
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable
>>> VoiceOver's
>>> ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights
>>> management.  This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble
>>> Nook app, for example.  You'll notice that usually you can access
>>> everything except for the actual content of the text.  That's being
>>> blocked.  You can verify this by taking a screen capture, and sending
>>> the results to an OCR app like Prizmo or TextGrabber.  The OCR app
>>> will tell you what the contents are, but obviously you're not going
>>> to
>>> read the book by screen capturing every page and sending it to an OCR
>>> app.
>>>
>>> If you want to read another example of this viewpoint, that the
>>> ability of screen readers to access text would promote copyright
>>> violation, take a look at Greg Kearney's posted response from
>>> Fictionwise in the archives, sent in reply to his inquiry about ebook
>>> accessibility for their ebook reading app just a few months after the
>>> iPhone 3GS was released with VoiceOver support:
>>> • Fwd: Response for Support Ticket #102495
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg06200.html
>>> Since this is the Mail Archive post, if you're reading on your
>>> computer, you can also use access key shortcuts of Control-N to read
>>> down the thread for other reader comments.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Esther
>>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>>
 Forget it.  It ain't gonna happen.

 It ain't accessible at all.


 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

 Skype name:
 barefootedray

 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 



 On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my
> wife is reading.  I can't, however, figure out how to get it to
> work.  Has anybody had success with the Kindle app?  Is it
> accessible?  Any tips?
>
> It looks li

Re: A Question Regarding OCR

[James Mannion]

Hi Mark,
I envy you acquiring the braille display especially. I really wish I
were incorrect, but I know I am not missing anything or out of date in
my understanding that the price of braille displays are just
rediculously out of sight in price about 3 to 4 times over and then
some. Still being a common man and feeling blessed and lucky to be
able to achieve a few thousand in savings at any point in time at best
I don't think a braille display for personal use is anywhere in my
near future. Maybe I have already said too much, but what it takes to
be able to obtain such technology just makes you throw your hands up
in frustration.

On 4/2/12, David Tanner  wrote:
> And, I bet it is a lot cheaper too.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim Gatteys" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>
>
> Hi all!
> Has anybody used Abby fine reader express for the mac?  I just downloaded a
> trial version and it was much better than a few years ago.  It worked with
> my old epson perfection scanner and I was able to scan and edit a document.
> I guess it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of kurzweil but for basic
> stuff it seemed fine.  I am seriously considering a purchase of fine reader.
> Jim
>
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:21 PM, David Tanner wrote:
>
>> It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the
>> latest release and there is some support for at least one digital camera
>> in that patch upgrade.
>>
>> As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is
>> Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think
>> they can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not
>> release a version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy of
>>
>> Kurzweil1000 for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it
>> worth it for them to do that.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>>
>>
>>> Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson
>>> Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true
>>> that it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the
>>> scanning phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't
>>> have the space nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever went
>>>
>>> back to college, I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I
>>> have now.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:30 PM
>>> Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
>>>
>>>
 Hello Everyone,

 In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
 Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.

 To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook

 and
 the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
 acquisition experience.

 I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows
 one
 to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
 automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.

 I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.

 I could go on and on but ...

 I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am
 wondering
 if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.

 I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
 scanner away for good.


 Mark

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Re: Braille displays

[James Mannion]

ll display
>>>>>> that it does add significantly to the weight of your MacBookPro to
>>>>>> carry the display around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To make this topic more Mac related, I was impressed, to say the
>>>>>> least, when I found out how many braille displays would work with
>>>>>> VoiceOver. There were ones on the list I had never heard of. I don't
>>>>>> believe any of the other screen readers could say that their program
>>>>>> could support that many displays. There's a fair number with Jaws, and
>>>>>> somebody could correct me about this, but I don't think it's as many
>>>>>> as VoiceOver.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Gigi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eugenia Firth
>>>>>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 3, 2012, at 9:06 PM, David Tanner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand where you are coming from, but it is good to see that
>>>>>>> there are some displays starting to come down to a somewhat more
>>>>>>> reasonable price. For example, the Braille PPen with 12 cells for
>>>>>>> $999 is not a bad price even though it only has 12 cells.  The new 16
>>>>>>> cell display and basic notetaker from Perkins Products for $1,549 is
>>>>>>> a better deal too.  And, the Refresh A Braille from American Printing
>>>>>>> House for the Blind with 18 cells for $1,695 is a good deal, and a
>>>>>>> very well made display.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I realize these prices are still too high for
>>>>>>> many people, but at least we are starting to see prices down to where
>>>>>>> more people may at least have a chance of saving up to buy one.  But,
>>>>>>> at $5,000 for a 40 cell display very few people can afford a Braille
>>>>>>> display without help from somewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Original Message - From: "James Mannion"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To: 
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 11:13 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>>>> I envy you acquiring the braille display especially. I really wish I
>>>>>>>> were incorrect, but I know I am not missing anything or out of date
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> my understanding that the price of braille displays are just
>>>>>>>> rediculously out of sight in price about 3 to 4 times over and then
>>>>>>>> some. Still being a common man and feeling blessed and lucky to be
>>>>>>>> able to achieve a few thousand in savings at any point in time at
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> I don't think a braille display for personal use is anywhere in my
>>>>>>>> near future. Maybe I have already said too much, but what it takes
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be able to obtain such technology just makes you throw your hands up
>>>>>>>> in frustration.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/2/12, David Tanner  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> And, I bet it is a lot cheaper too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>>>> From: "Jim Gatteys" 
>>>>>>>>> To: 
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:35 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>>>>> Has anybody used Abby fine reader express for the mac?  I just
>>>>>>>>> downloaded a
>>>>>>>>> trial version and it was much better than a few years ago.  It
>>>>>>>>> worked with
>>>>>>>>> my old epson perfection scanner

Re: The accessibility of Zello?

[James Mannion]

I believe there was a considerable amount of talk on it or should I
say about it on applevis.com. I know many people use it on the IPhone.

On 5/15/12, Krysti .Power  wrote:
> What is zello if you don't mine me asking
> On 2012-05-15 5:06 PM, "Mike Busboom"  wrote:
>
>> Hello to all of you,
>>
>> Has anyone ever used a communications App called Zello and if so, is the
>> iPhone version accessible?  When I went to zello.com, I noticed that
>> several elements on the page couldn't be read with Safari, and this caused
>> me to wonder about whether or not it would even be worth my while to
>> download Zello for the iPhone.
>>
>> My best to everyone,
>>
>> Mike
>>
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Re: Accordance Voiceover

[James Mannion]

Does this developer understand what it means to be voiceover
compatible? I ask because it sounds like she might mean what we mean
or she might be referring to the app being self voicing. Her wording
leaves me wondering a little.

On 5/17/12, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
> Hi:
> If anyone is interested, please contact the developer below my friend's
> email. I know I just wrote to her.
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Shane Jackson 
>> Subject: Fwd: Accordance Voiceover
>> Date: May 17, 2012 10:10:40 AM CDT
>> To: Sarai Bucciarelli , Tim Emmons
>> 
>>
>> Guys, please forward this to as many people as you think would benefit
>> from it! This is the absolute best Bible program for the Mac, and their
>> iOS version needs a little VoiceOver work, and they are willing! Let's
>> help!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Helen Brown 
>>> Date: May 17, 2012 2:21:57 AM CDT
>>> To: Helen Brown 
>>> Subject: Accordance Voiceover
>>> Reply-To: he...@accordancebible.com
>>>
>>> Thank you for your interest in Accordance for the visually impaired.
>>>
>>> As you know, Accordance has still not been able to implement Voiceover on
>>> Mac OS X, and there are further hurdles to overcome. In the meantime
>>> there seems to be a possibility that it could be implemented more easily
>>> on our mobile app for iOS: iPhone, IPad, iPod touch.
>>>
>>> I am writing to ask whether you and others you know would be interested
>>> in such Voiceover on the mobile app, and whether this would go some way
>>> towards meeting your needs.
>>>
>>> Please let me know your thoughts.
>>>
>>> Helen
>>>
>>> *
>>> Dr. Helen A. Brown
>>> OakTree Software, Inc.
>>> 498 Palm Springs Drive, Suite 100
>>> Altamonte Springs, FL 32701
>>> TOLL FREE orders: (877) 339-5855
>>> (407) 339-5855  Fax: (407) 339-9188
>>> Tech support: (407) 339-0266
>>> E-mail: he...@accordancebible.com
>>> Website: http://www.accordancebible.com/
>>> *
>>>
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Re: Updating firmware on a Bose Sound Link.

[James Mannion]

Last I heard on this from a post some time ago it the updater, at
least on the Windows side, is java based and someone had success
although still had to randomly press things at times and hope for the
best with java access bridge. It sounds like at best it is not an
accessible ride!

On 6/9/12, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
> Why are you updating firmware?
> On Jun 9, 2012, at 2:48 AM, shamelessfang...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good morning all,
>>
>> Subject says it all really. I'm doing this from a Mac, and am curious as
>> to whether or not anyone else has been successful. Language screen comes
>> up as all unknowns, though I presume English is selected by default.
>>
>> TIA for any thoughts/tips/suggestions provided.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Trouble with dictation

[James Mannion]

Cool. If there is anything else you can ever also tell us, I look
forward to reading those messages as much as this one.

On 6/24/12, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
> Gigi,
>
> I can't really say much about if this happens now, seeing I'm a dev on I O S
> 6, so thus am on N D A, but I can! legally say this:  in I O S 5, which is
> the most current firmware readily available for the public, which I'm quite
> sure is what you have, I had this problem a fair amount, yes.
>
> Remember that even though dictation is not a part of Seri persey, it is
> actually ran through the same proxy server that Seri uses.  With this said,
> basically in a more basic meaning... if the server is busy that Seri uses,
> which often times, it is, remember, Seri is? still in public beta... then
> dictation also isn't gonna work.
>
> Here's a little trick, if you don't wanna restart your IPhone that you can
> try that sometimes helps.  This isn't exactly documented, and it's nothing I
> shouldn't be telling you.  Why this works, I'm unfortunately not allowed to
> disclose but i can! at least tell you sometimes and actually, often times,
> it does.
>
> When this happens, go to settings, then go to general, and finally, Seri.
>
> You'll notice that you have 3 options.  always, which is probably where it's
> now at, handset only, or off.  If you switch it to handset only for about 5
> seconds, then switch it back to always, then try using Seri, or dictation,
> either or, it should start to work again.
>
> Again, I'm not authorized to explain to you why this works, and I know it's
> kind a cock eyed.  Trust me though, if you knew the reason, you'd
> understand.  Trust me though, for now, just know, stupid as I know this
> sounds, and as irrelivant as I'm sure it's gotta sound, believe me: it does!
> usually work.
>
> Chris.
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Gigi
>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>   Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:13 PM
>   Subject: Trouble with dictation
>
>
>
> Hi guys again
>   I wonder if anyone else is having this trouble, and if it's a voiceover
> thing or a dictation thing. Sometimes on my iPhone dictation option just
> doesn't work at all. I press the dictation key and with no warning, nothing
> happens. It just says "thinking", and nothing appears on the display. Every
> time this happens, I have to restart the iPhone. Restarting seems to solve
> the problem, until the next time it decides to go on strike.
>   Regards
>   Gigi
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

[James Mannion]

And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
that it gets the job done.

Jim

On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
> iss about.
>
> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
>
> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
> being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
> how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
> Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
> to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
> us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
> bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
> the significant upgrade is.
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Re: Fleksy

[James Mannion]

I completely agree. This app is fantastic for being able to type in to
the IPhone. I truely don't think the people that see the copy and
paste into something as a deal breaker truely have not given it a
chance. It really does not take more than a few seconds to do that. It
takes longer to complain about the idea than it does to do it! I do
hope Apple does allow it to be built in, but even if they never do I
love this app and it is absolutely worth it. Besides, the copy part
takes less than 2 seconds because you bring up the menu and double tap
copy. It coppies the entire text. Then you go paste wherever. If you
are doing a text message or a new email then you don't even have to do
that much. You just double tap that choice from the menu and then
address your message and send.

On 8/18/12, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Yup.
>
> Like I've said to some before, I think $15 is a tough price point regardless
> of how great a keyboard is.  And trust me, this is great.  But, price aside,
> This is one of the most useful 3rd party apps on my iPhone.  There are times
> when dictation just isn't practical.  Like when typing confidential
> information or, in a loud or subdued environment.  I've found that the time
> it take to copy and paste my text from fleksy is negated because I'm typing
> up to 50% faster with fleksy than the regular IOS virtual keyboard.
>
> JMO.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>
> On Aug 18, 2012, at 1:40 PM, Taylor Scott  wrote:
>
>> I thought the same things.
>> Actually, having to copy and paste is in my opinion it's only down
>> side, but it isn't the app developers fault, its a limitation of
>> apple's.
>>
>> I don't have dictation, but even if I did, I'd still have this app.
>> It really is fast enough to coppy and paste, and still be faster than
>> trying to write out something on the normal keyboard.
>> I look at it as another option to dictation if you have it.
>> Just leave Fleksy open, and if you need to type something, use the app
>> switcher, write out your message, coppy, switch to the app, and paste.
>>
>> I'm glad I gave it a chance.
>>
>>
>> On 8/18/12, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  I agree, having dictation and Siri,
>>> along
>>> with the fact that you have to copy the text where you want it make the
>>> app
>>> less interesting.  (And I like the emoticons, too.) :)  I hadn't even
>>> looked
>>> at it when it was $15, but am thinking about it at the lower price.
>>> Maybe
>>> I'll spend more time practicing before I make a decision.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Traci  wrote:
>>>
 The free version just lets you practice, you can't do anything with the
 text.  The paid version allows you to copy the text into any app,
 tweet,
 email, or message.

 I'm looking forward to using the app mostly on my touch, because I have
 no
 dictation on that device.

 Have you tried the free version?  I say give it a whirl.  When I first
 heard about this app, I thought, nah, it won't speed me up.  Turns out,
 I
 think it really does, besides it is fun to finally be able to type with
 my
 2 thumbs flying around the screen.  :)

 I will say 2 things.  For me personally, I would not have bought the
 app
 at full price.  I have Siri and dictation on my phone, and the app
 isn't
 built-in yet.  I understand why it isn't built-in, but it makes a
 difference.  Secondly, I miss all my smilies.  ;)


 Traci
 Sent by Macbook Air Mail

 On Aug 18, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hmm, interesting.  What's the difference between the free and paid
> versions?  I realize that there may be a learning curve, bus so far it
> doesn't seem to me that this app saves any time at all.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Aug 18, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Ricardo Walker 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> you download the free version and the sale price is an in app
>> purchase.
>>
>> hth
>>
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting, I didn't see an option other than the free version.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Brandon Olivares
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 No, the free version is only for testing. It's $4.99 for the full
 version.

 I just got it, and love it. I just wish there were an easier way to
 reply to text messages or emails with it.

 Brandon
 On Aug 18, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Donna Goodin 
 wrote:

> I hate to say this, but today it's free!  Run, do not walk!
> Donna
> On Aug 17, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Christina C.
> 

Re: Fleksy

[James Mannion]

You don't have to. You can double tap and hold in the edit field until
the paste button comes up on the screen. Sometimes the roter is faster
though if you don't know where the button is because sometimes swiping
to get to it makes it disappear.

On 8/18/12, Hank Smith  wrote:
> but don't u have to use the roder feature to paste in the text?
> On 8/18/2012 9:36 PM, James Mannion wrote:
>> I completely agree. This app is fantastic for being able to type in to
>> the IPhone. I truely don't think the people that see the copy and
>> paste into something as a deal breaker truely have not given it a
>> chance. It really does not take more than a few seconds to do that. It
>> takes longer to complain about the idea than it does to do it! I do
>> hope Apple does allow it to be built in, but even if they never do I
>> love this app and it is absolutely worth it. Besides, the copy part
>> takes less than 2 seconds because you bring up the menu and double tap
>> copy. It coppies the entire text. Then you go paste wherever. If you
>> are doing a text message or a new email then you don't even have to do
>> that much. You just double tap that choice from the menu and then
>> address your message and send.
>>
>> On 8/18/12, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> Yup.
>>>
>>> Like I've said to some before, I think $15 is a tough price point
>>> regardless
>>> of how great a keyboard is.  And trust me, this is great.  But, price
>>> aside,
>>> This is one of the most useful 3rd party apps on my iPhone.  There are
>>> times
>>> when dictation just isn't practical.  Like when typing confidential
>>> information or, in a loud or subdued environment.  I've found that the
>>> time
>>> it take to copy and paste my text from fleksy is negated because I'm
>>> typing
>>> up to 50% faster with fleksy than the regular IOS virtual keyboard.
>>>
>>> JMO.
>>>
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 1:40 PM, Taylor Scott  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought the same things.
>>>> Actually, having to copy and paste is in my opinion it's only down
>>>> side, but it isn't the app developers fault, its a limitation of
>>>> apple's.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have dictation, but even if I did, I'd still have this app.
>>>> It really is fast enough to coppy and paste, and still be faster than
>>>> trying to write out something on the normal keyboard.
>>>> I look at it as another option to dictation if you have it.
>>>> Just leave Fleksy open, and if you need to type something, use the app
>>>> switcher, write out your message, coppy, switch to the app, and paste.
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad I gave it a chance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/18/12, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  I agree, having dictation and Siri,
>>>>> along
>>>>> with the fact that you have to copy the text where you want it make
>>>>> the
>>>>> app
>>>>> less interesting.  (And I like the emoticons, too.) :)  I hadn't even
>>>>> looked
>>>>> at it when it was $15, but am thinking about it at the lower price.
>>>>> Maybe
>>>>> I'll spend more time practicing before I make a decision.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Traci  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The free version just lets you practice, you can't do anything with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> text.  The paid version allows you to copy the text into any app,
>>>>>> tweet,
>>>>>> email, or message.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking forward to using the app mostly on my touch, because I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> dictation on that device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you tried the free version?  I say give it a whirl.  When I
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> heard about this app, I thought, nah, it won't speed me up.  Turns
>>>>>> out,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> think it really does, besides it is fun to finally be able to type
>>&

Re: Sprint iPhone and siri

[James Mannion]

I have had the problem with the screen going quiet while in a call for
quite some time. Seems to just take some time or touching around and
swiping or locking and unlocking again to get it back. I think it
comes back after some time and not sure if any of the fiddling around
has any impact or not. That has not been new with IOS 5 in my
experience and it has been on multiple phones.

On 11/17/11, Rachel magario  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Anyone using sprint iPhone?
> Is Siri crashing for anyone with any carrier?
> Also, while in a call is your screen going quiet that you cannot find the
> end call button?
> All of the above is happening to me and I never saw this happening in an
> iphone before, I want to rule out that it is not a sprint iphone or that it
> is not a hardware issue perhaps.
> Thanks for any help.
> Rachel.
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Re: Sprint iPhone and siri

[James Mannion]

What I meant is after removing it from your ear and trying to explore
the screen to do something like hang up.

On 11/17/11, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't understand.  Shouldn't the screen be quiet when on a call?  Unless
> you move it from your face or using headphones?
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
>
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:41 PM, James Mannion wrote:
>
>> I have had the problem with the screen going quiet while in a call for
>> quite some time. Seems to just take some time or touching around and
>> swiping or locking and unlocking again to get it back. I think it
>> comes back after some time and not sure if any of the fiddling around
>> has any impact or not. That has not been new with IOS 5 in my
>> experience and it has been on multiple phones.
>>
>> On 11/17/11, Rachel magario  wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Anyone using sprint iPhone?
>>> Is Siri crashing for anyone with any carrier?
>>> Also, while in a call is your screen going quiet that you cannot find the
>>> end call button?
>>> All of the above is happening to me and I never saw this happening in an
>>> iphone before, I want to rule out that it is not a sprint iphone or that
>>> it
>>> is not a hardware issue perhaps.
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Rachel.
>>>
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Re: speaker on iPhone

[James Mannion]

I have never heard of or experienced this change. Taking it away from
my ear has been the way to put it in speaker mode, even after SIRI
arrived. Apple care doesn't even know how speaker phone works?
Sometimes I really truely just don't get it. Their in store people
know nothing half the time, their apple care doesn't even know basic
stuff and more often than not they really don't know how to resolve
your problem or even as much as you did when you called. They release
things full of bugs in major functionality all the time and everyone
worships their every move. I really truely love and appreciate the
accessibility they provide, but I really just don't get this other
stuff.

On 12/19/11, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take
> the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.
> I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker
> phone mode.
>
> Hth,
> Jeff
>
> On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:
>
>> Hi guys.
>> I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care
>> about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.
>>
>> I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was
>> working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker
>> phone, the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in
>> January) to take the phone away from your face and it would become a
>> speaker phone. As I said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
>>
>> Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide
>> keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and
>> you need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly
>> talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so
>> I can get the thing turned on.
>>
>> I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this
>> something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really
>> nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> nd speaker. This is a real pain with
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Esther and others,
>>>
>>> My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not
>>> working.  What else can be going on?
>>>
>>> Ezzie
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Esther >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
>>> Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re:
>>> MBPKeyboard]
>>>
>>> Hi Ezzie and Others,
>>>
>>> The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use.
>>> This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on
>>> and transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file
>>> structure of the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that
>>> Command-E works to eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's
>>> nothing wrong with following either Ricardo's method with the context
>>> menu or Gigi's checks that the device is not active.  I've retitled the
>>> subject line to better reflect the content of the discussion.
>>>
>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>>
>>> Esther
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu
>>> with VO shift M and just press enter on eject.
>>>
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Y'all.
>>> Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was
>>> told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected
>>> too soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I
>>> always check to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I
>>> take it out.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Gigi
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ezzie,
>>>
>>> Command+E should eject the drive.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ezzie bueno
>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:55 PM
>>> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: MBP Keyboard
>>>
>>> Hello list:
>>>
>>> When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've
>>> got
>>> it selected.
>>> However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
>>> there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ezzie Ez Bueno
>>> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
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>>>
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Re: Missing blindcooltech, recommendations?

[James Mannion]

I wonder where that announcement was or is and it would really be nice
if it appeared in a logical place, like as a post on the site. It's
quite unfortunate if it is no longer going to be supported, and I
realize noone has any obligation to do anything with it, but it really
would be nice if something was posted. I mean how long could it take
to do a quick post? All that most of us know is that it mysteriously
went away. Someone must still be paying for the site to be hosted and
stay up at the least.

On 1/29/12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> I don't know about BlindCoolTech, but perhaps you could post your tutorials
> related to Mac and IOS on AppleVis?
>
> Teresa
>
> "We are made of star-stuff"--Carl Sagan, Cosmos
>
> On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Eric Caron wrote:
>
>> Hi Jürgen and others,
>>
>>  I don't know Larry from blincooltech.com so I don't know what happened
>> but nothing has come out of blindcooltech.com since September.  I did
>> upload a podcast recently and it seemed to go through but after some time
>> it still has not showed up.  Also, I did write to Larry through the
>> contact feature on the site and got no answer.  Also, a few listers have
>> said that they heard there was a announcement about this but I have not
>> directly heard it.
>>
>> So, I'm wondering what I'm missing from those who normally post there.
>> Also, I have some demonstrations I've done and have no way to share them.
>> At least not in the comprehensive way that I could with blindcooltech.com.
>>
>> Currently, I have several demonstrations that show new users how to get
>> more out of list Recorder but don't know where to post them.
>>
>> I just spent over a hour mastering the Reminders App with voice over and
>> planned  to do a podcast to save people time but again where would I  I
>> post it?
>>
>> eRic Caron
>>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>>
>>> Honnestly: I'm missing Blindcooltech as well. How do you know that they
>>> no longer accept podcasts? Were you in contact with the owner? What did
>>> he say?
>>>
>>> It's really a pitty.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>> Jürgen
>>> Am 29.01.2012 um 20:35 schrieb Eric Caron:
>>>
 Listers,

It seems as though blindcooltech.com is no longer accepting new
 podcasts and sending them out.  Over the last few years I've learned a
 great deal from this resource and even posted a few podcasts.  I first
 learned about the Victor Reader stream on this podcast, and as a result
 was reading audio books long before the US library service provided
 machines.  Thanks to this podcast I learned tricks on the National
 Library Service machines that make them excellent for studying with
 audio books and podcasts.  The set up was great because it provided a
 single place for multiple providers to donate demonstrations of
 technology for other visually impaired persons.  The diversity of
 content and providers was great.

 So, Where can I now post a podcast for you folks that might be
 interested in technology?  What feeds are you folks using?  I'm
 especially interested in those podcasts provided by users who are
 sharing their knowledge.
 It is nice to subscribe to one feed that provides content from many
 people.  It would be less productive to subscribe to multiple individual
 feeds.  Further, I am glad to create podcasts but don't have the
 knowledge or desire to maintain my own site or podcast feed.

 I hope there is a feed out there that provides this service now that
 blindcooltech.com is not.  Please share your suggestions.


 Eric Caron


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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[James Mannion]

I see your point about hoping to incorporate it as a keyboard option
similar to a language keyboard. Braille is kind of a "language". I
agree that making it an additional option and not taking anything away
is an extremely important point to stress. Is the stand alone app
available in the US yet? I could not find it and I wanted to see what
my efficiency would be with using it. Someone had it that posted to
the list from the UK I believe, but I could not get it to come up on a
search at all.

On 2/26/12, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> You guys are all crazy.  :)  the code is already written, tested, and
> working.  No one is saying you have to use it just because it's implemented.
>  We're just saying it should be a choice for people who want it.  Apple
> could do this by taking the code that's already been tested and implementing
> it across the board in stead of restricting it to it's own app.  It's a move
> that makes sense.  If you don't like to type in braille yourself, just
> ignore the option, but since the work to make it happen is already done, why
> not let people who find it useful... well... use it?
>
> Best,
>
> Erik Burggraaf
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> On 2012-02-26, at 8:54 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>
>> Hi guys.
>> Well, I can't imagine how this would be an advantage, but then, this is no
>> flat screen, no way, for the year 2010 speaking here. Back in 2010, I
>> couldn't imagine how we could do flat screens. When I hear about flat
>> screens these days, I think, does it work like the iPhone, and if it
>> doesn't I don't want it. I write very fast in braille. I probably braille
>> faster than I type. Now that I have Siri, I don't use my keyboard on the
>> iPhone as much. Somebody I know made the incredible comment that she
>> thought sighted people would learn braille so they could increase their
>> typing speed on the iPhone. I can kind of see sighted people learning a
>> few things, but really, I just can't see sighted people doing that. My
>> sighted husband still uses a cheat sheet to write grade 1, and he
>> sometimes writes unique braille.
>>
>> I, for one, think there are some more pressing issues for us. For one
>> thing, I just had to go use that desktop machine running under Vista to
>> get some tax forms done. I'm  reluctant to put
>> Windows on my Mac as some of you have, so I sat in the other room for
>> several hours today with two computers in the office, one of which was the
>> Mac. I know how to do tax forms, no problem, but going back and forth to
>> get numbers, etc. slowed me down considerable.
>>
>> About once a year, and sometimes more often, I really need that program to
>> fill out PDF forms. I hate PDF files.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>
>>> Again, I don't want them to change their guidelines to let any app
>>> developer add keyboards. What I want is for them to take the code and
>>> use it as a keyboard in iOS, not an app in any way. So, when you
>>> unpack an iPhone running a version of iOS with the keyboard in it
>>> (probably 6 as 5.1 is already in beta), there is no "braille keyboard"
>>> app hangin out on your home screen. Rather, it is just there, like the
>>> foreign language keyboards are there.
>>>
>>> As to advantage: in a word, yes. I use qwerty and braille entry about
>>> equally, probably leaning more toward qwerty actually, and I am very
>>> fast with both. Qwerty on iOS, though, is different since it is not
>>> just typing, it is having to find a character, make sure it is right,
>>> wait for it to be entered, then repeat. No muscle memory and a lot of
>>> moving one finger make it a slow and inefficient typing method, and
>>> anyone, sighted or blind, will tell you the same (at least they have
>>> in my experience). Braille on iOS, though, allows for typing with no
>>> moving all over the screen and with the ability to type from memory.
>>> Yes, you can memorize the key positions of the qwerty keyboard, but
>>> getting off by one can result in very odd words, especially if you
>>> don't take the time to listen to the selected character before
>>> entering, you get offset a character, and you keep going from that new
>>> reference point.
>>> Don't compare your typing in braille to typing with a keyboard.
>>> Rather, compare your braille typing to the onscreen keyboard (not
>>> using Siri) and see if it isn't faster to use braille. Also, onscreen
>>> braille is not the same as onscreen qwerty, since there is nothing to
>>> wait for and no moving to do. I hope I explained this well.
>>>
>>> On 2/26/12, Scott Howell  wrote:
 Alex,

 With all do respect and coming from a Braille user; I think this is
 go

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[James Mannion]

Although there is no harm in wanting something to be completely
optional and available for someone to use, I am definitely not sold on
it until it is out and proven that it really is at all something I
like using. I don't think it makes a lot of sense either to be making
a push for something to be incorporated into the system that none of
us have really even had the chance to try because it is not available
yet. One could just as easily prefer the TypeIn Braille input app as
an optional keyboard. I have been playing with the TypeInBraille app
actually and I see some possible advantage in having it as a tool. I
agree with what I think someone said about that app that in noisy
environments where you might want to do character input and you need
to use the touch screen without being able to hear as much, it allows
for what is arguably more predictable places to touch the screen
without error to get what you need. I am going to continue to play
with and make use of that at times to see how fast I am able to get
with it. I really do not mind the on screen keyboard as long as I can
hear the feedback from it and as long as it is not an instance where
there is lag in its feedback. Where more speed is needed I have always
been happy with bluetooth keyboard or dictation options. More options
are always good.

On 2/27/12, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> Wanted answer the assertion of Android being more flexible. While anyone
> could add a different keyboard to Android, I'm not clear how that would
> get universally baked in so that anyone pickup an Android phone would
> get this option. It's the same problem that if you want it baked into
> Android you would have to get Google to do it. Of course you could argue
> whether Apple or Google is more receptive to making this addition but
> it's still something that has to be done by the platform owner. I think
> what we don't want is some kind of extra thing you have to know about,
> download and install.
>
> CB
>
> On 2/26/12 5:58 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> Here is one reason among many why android is much more flexible, adding
>> this functionality will not have any restrictions. Yes, Apple does not
>> allow adding other keyboards, or input methods as they might be called.
>> The thing is, if Apple allows this one, other developers will want to do
>> the same thing. That may not be a bad thing, alternative keyboards may be
>> a good thing, but I would not count on Apple changing their policy on this
>> one. Also their thought could be, the built in on screen keyboard is
>> already accessible, why not use that? That is a valid point, guess time
>> will tell on this one.
>> On Feb 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
>>> For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
>>> that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
>>> Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
>>> or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
>>> start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
>>> because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
>>> all at once, not a row at a time.
>>>
>>> Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
>>> terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
>>> keyboard to the keyboards available in iOS. this means that there is
>>> no way to use the braille keyboard outside the app; no writing texts
>>> or emails with it, no using it to do a search, no nothing. Yes, you
>>> can use the app and then copy and paste, but if you just want to write
>>> a quick email, add a contact, or even edit a document, you can't take
>>> advantage of braille. Apple needs to know that we (blind and visually
>>> impaired users of iOS) want and need this functionality in iOS. Please
>>> take a couple minutes to send a message to accessibil...@apple.com.
>>> Tell them you want them to include Braille Touch's keyboard in iOS so
>>> that it can be used where ever you need to enter text, in place of the
>>> on-screen QWERTY keyboard that iOS currently forces you to use. Point
>>> out that this keyboard transforms the iOS line of products from PDAs
>>> with great accessibility into true braille devices. Most of all, tell
>>> them how important it is to you that this feature be included
>>> system-wide as soon as possible. Offer any further suggestions,
>>> testimonials, and anything else you think will help, but please take
>>> the time to send accessibil...@apple.com a message asking them to take
>>> this massive step into the future of accessibility. Thanks for your
>>> time and effort. Also, please send this request to anyone else who can
>>> help (other lists, friends or family who use iOS, braille instructors
>>> familiar with iOS... anyone). Remember that the more interest Apple
>>> sees in this, the more likely they are to take notice and do someth

Re: long rant was Re: GW Micro Responds to the Future of Screen Readers Discussion Panel Questions

[James Mannion]

While I have much respect for both companies, I am glad I do not have
to depend on the Mac for my access, especially web browsing needs.
It-is-not-up-to-windows side standards by a long shot yet and the
windows side needs an overhall. I hear GW is working on that and I am
glad. I think a lot of people are blinded from reality because of the
light in which they want to paint Apple and their frustration with the
other side.

On 9/2/10, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
> Very well written!
> On Sep 2, 2010, at 11:18 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>
>> Guys, I tried to keep the below as polite and forthright as possible, but
>> it degenerates in places and reading and rereading, I don't really see the
>> benefit of removing some of the language that might be considered
>> offensive  or abridging my comments.  I really feel this needs to be said,
>> not for the purpose of offending, but for the purpose of taking what I
>> feel is the right stance.
>>
>> Hi Mark,  this is bad...  Very very bad.  There are glaring inaccuracies
>> in this release.  I sincerely hope you did not send it to any public
>> forums other than gw micro customer base.  I've quoted what I want to draw
>> your attention to in my comments, but left the entire article below for
>> people to read in it's entirety.
>>
>> Article 6: You wrote,
>> "what incentive would Apple have to make their screen reader work with
>> Microsoft Office and what incentive would Microsoft have to make their
>> screen reader work with iTunes?"
>> This Demonstrates a lack of understanding on how the other side works.
>> Windows is not mac OS, and mac OS is not windows.  On the mac side, you
>> have a screen reader, but you also have a fully accessible operating
>> system.  The libraries and API's used to build programs generate
>> accessible programs, which are then read and interpreted by an accessible
>> operating system, which then sends information to voiceover... or a talk
>> box...  or a TTY machine... Or whatever.  For now, Microsoft has chosen to
>> make office for mac inaccessible at great pains to themselves. Apple and
>> adobe have a love hate relationship, and so adobe products on the mac are
>> hit and miss for accessibility users and non alike.  As the system
>> develops though,  It will eventually become impossible to build a program
>> on the mac platform that is inaccessible to apples universal access
>> design.  As such, all software written for macs will eventually be
>> accessible, whether you are blind, deaf, dyslexic, paraplegic, or have any
>> other disability.  We may have to chase every version of ITunes on the
>> windows side, but eventually office for mac will be accessible whether ms
>> likes it or not, unless they simply choose to scrap office for mac
>> development before things get to that stage.  We still have a ways to go.
>>>
>>>
>> Article Seven: you wrote,
>> "In addition, GW Micro is the only screen reader manufacturer to host and
>> moderate an email discussion list.  This list is a great resource that
>> allows our customers to discuss technical issues and questions with GW
>> Micro’s technical support team as well others in the Window-Eyes
>> community."
>> This is incorrect.  NVDA developers run their own user support group
>> exactly like GW Micro's.  The lead developer of the Espeak software was
>> also a regular contributor when I was there, and There should be a brlty
>> developer on there by now.  Apples accessibility team also monitors the
>> macvisionaries user group.  While they don't usually participate, hundreds
>> of feature requests that get bandied about the group are implemented with
>> every new release.  I know for a fact that they are watching that group
>> because they have posted publicly there on occasion, and the fact that
>> they are usually quiet doesn't mean they are ignoring their customer base.
>>  I believe duxbury systems moderates it's own groups, and I'm sure there
>> are others.
>>
>> Article 9:  This made me furious when I read it because it demonstrates an
>> appalling amount of sheer ignorance.  The statements are categorically
>> false, and should be retracted immediately before they generate well
>> deserved ill feelings against the company you represent.  I'd like to say,
>> I have been an apple user for 2 and a half years.  before that I was a
>> very happy window-eyes user, and though I seldom actually use the product
>> these days, I still keep up my sma, and my switch to apple was entirely
>> driven by dissatisfaction with windows, and in no way reflects any
>> dissatisfaction with window-eyes or GWMicro.  I still continue to enjoy
>> supporting and training on window-eyes and I'm confident recommending it
>> to clients.  I'm still pretty mad though.  You wrote:
>>> "GW Micro believes that having a free screen reader as part of the
>>> operating system does a disservice to Blind computer users."
>>>
>> That's an extremely shaky position to be in, and I'll topple you in a
>> second.  For now, I want

Mac mini I would be interested in selling 2008 model very little use

[James Mannion]

I hope it is ok to post a message on this list to get a message out to
people and I will handel further correspondence offline. Please send
me email at mannion...@gmail.com if interested or with further
questions. I have a mac mini purchased in June of 2009 that was the
2008 model. At that time it was the one just prior to the one that
came out right in that timeframe of June of 2009. It has had very
little use as I learned it and tried it out and decided it wasn't
productive enough for me to do what I do on the PC. Mainly web
accessibility is just not up to my preferred standards in my opinion.
I have all the original accessories and books that came with it,
including the monitor adapter, the front row remote, of course the
power cord, Snow Lepard with original media and book as well as the
original Tiger media and book. I also have a low profile Apple
keyboard purchased at the same time. I am interested in selling it for
$200 plus shipping. It is also in its original box.  I am selling it
because it is sitting here and I could use the money.

Thanks for your consideration and plese contact me if interested at
mannion...@gmail.com

Jim

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Re: couple apple TV questions?

[James Mannion]

I am considering getting one of these. Do you have to have a screen
connected to it at any point to do the setup? I don't think so, but
wanted to be sure. I do not have anything compatible that I could hook
it up to for video. I would only be hooking it up to audio for now. I
think I have heard that it starts out from the beginning with
voiceover on? I am very good at setting up an IPhone straight from the
box never been turned on. I triple click home and then double tap that
button on the bottom of the screen next and go from there. I am
guessing the Apple TV is probably similar, but I wonder what would be
the process to get started? I also have no problems setting up a new
Airport express out of the box using the settings wizard provided in
the wifi section on the IPhone. I don't know if the Apple TV works
like that or more like setting up an IOS device directly from the
device itself. It is awesome that these out of the box experiences are
so completely accessible. We don't generally enjoy that with any other
company.

On 12/16/12, Kliphton  wrote:
> No podcast needed, Ricks instructions were right on the money!
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Cohn
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: couple apple TV questions?
>
>
>
> Vision Australia had a demo of how to add voiceover to the long press of
> the
> menu button.  You need to go into settings and find the accessability menu
> in the options.  I suggest you find the PodCast.
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
> jon.c.c...@gmail.com
>
> (703) 573-6956
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/JCCohn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Kliphton A M wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Okay, loving my appleTV once I got it setup.  My only regret is the same
> regret I had when I got my iPhone and iMac.  That it took me so long to get
> them.  Now on to my questions.
>
> 1.  Is there a quick way to turn voice over off and on with the remote?
>
> 2. If I create folders in the home movies folder where my appleTV gets the
> movies from, will it keep the movies there, and will the appleTV still be
> able to find and play them?
>
> 3.  Lastly, does anyone have a list of the radio stations that stream NFL
> games from the radio part of iTunes?  That way I can find any teams
> broadcast that I want.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Kliphton Senior
>
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Re: Has anyone with an IPhone 5 also had this issue?

[James Mannion]

In the case where voiceover remains at the louder distorted volume
after a call is ended, I have had this happen a few times over the
past few months. I think something just fails to initialize back to
where it is suppose to be after the call in those cases. If you are
able to make another call to something that won't matter and then
disconnect that call, it will then have the opportunity to set itself
right and it normally does. It probably makes the carrier crazy if you
do it, but I have usually used 611 for those purposes. Just call 611
and then hang up. Of course you are not waiting on the line for a
person or something. Fortunately though the IPhone 5 boots up quick
and so reboots are noticeably less annoying in terms of the time
consumed than they were on older devices.

On 1/4/13, Lisette Wesseling  wrote:
> Hi Chris
> I haven't  had those exact  issues with my iPhone 5. I have my ringer
> volume set not to be changed by the buttons. I do find vo chats more
> incessantly during a call which annoys me, but it's not loud at all. I just
> can't shut her up.
>
> Sometimes though, if I've made a phone call using the phone alone and not
> the head set, voice over really distorts badly after the call is over,  so I
> have to turn the phone off and back on again. It's like the phone call
> messes with the volume which makes voice over super loud and distorting
> after the call is over. So something is going on here but not sure what. I,
> too, love my iPhone.
>
> Lisette
>
>
> On 5/01/2013, at 6:00 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
> wrote:
>
>> Matthew, keep in mind that the 3GS had a few issues with the speaker.  For
>> one thing, I vaguely remember that it would distort really really badly if
>> you turned it way up.  The 5 isn't like that.  I can crank it to full max,
>> and it still maintains a very! very! cristal clear sound.  I just don't
>> like it blaring the hell outta me when I'm in a call.  I do know one thing
>> I could! do, to get around the issue, but it's really a poor man's work
>> around.  If you basically put the phone up to your ear and then somehow
>> can lock your screen, while it's up to your ear on the receiver, not on
>> speaker phone, which I don't know how to do that unless you have
>> headphones plugged in initially, then you won't hear the notification be
>> read out, provided under settings, general, accessibility you have that
>> feature shut off, which I think by default, it is.
>>
>> Thank you kindly,
>>
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
>> Founder of CLG Productions
>> - Original Message -
>> From: matthew Dyer
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: Has anyone with an IPhone 5 also had this issue?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a 3gs and when I am using my phone without speakers, It  is quite
>> lould.  I think it is something to do with ios itself.  Justmy
>> thought.
>>
>>
>> matthew Dyer
>> matthewdyer...@msn.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2013, at 12:26 AM, Michael Babcock wrote:
>>
>>> Chris;
>>> I am having both of these issues with my iPhone 4S, running  iOS six.
>>> I also tried changing the localization for Siri, for example switching it
>>> to the UK voice. I found that I was additionally having the same volume
>>> issue that you are having.
>>> Related to the notifications, that is very irritating when it occurs. I
>>> typically have to have someone repeat themselves when they are speaking
>>> to me on the phone.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://empoweringtheblind.com
>>> Empowering the blind, one person at a time.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2013, at 8:54 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 OK, I just bit the bullet today and now have gotten an IPhone 5.  God!
 Blessid! I love this thing!  I do however have one very minor yet
 extremely irritating problem, and I didn't know if maybe I forgot to set
 something, or maybe if this is actually an IPhone 5 issue.  First of
 all, let's talk about Siri.  One thing I notice is that when she speaks
 back to me, even though I have Voiceover at a real comfortable volume,
 she is extremely quiet on the Siri side of things.  Yes, I did turn it
 up while she was in the process of speaking, just like you do to raise
 the Voiceover volume.  That worked, but I then find that sometimes if I
 use Siri dictation, when she repeats back what she's insertting into the
 text box, it's again really quiet.  I'll turn it back up, but then later
 after a few times of use, she'll notcher self right back down.  It's
 totally strange!  I don't get it!  Yeah, I did power off the phone and
 back on just in case of a glitch.  I also did quickly quintupple rapidly
 do the 5 click press on the sleep button to reset my springboard.  That
 did no good either.

 The other problem is, say I'm on a call and I get a text message, or say
 a Facebook alert etc.  Voiceover reads thenotification so loudly
 that it almost blow

Re: trying to get push notifications to work with the FB app

[James Mannion]

Sometimes the trick is that after you have adjusted the push settings
for an app, even if you turn them off and on again for that app, then
put the phone in airplain mode for at least 30 seconds then turn off
airplane mode. In theory rebooting would have to be doing the same
thing, but maybe not. This is what I have read in the instructions for
some apps in the troubleshooting for getting push working. It is
really frustrating that push is a finiky thing to get working.
Sometimes push will not work before doing the above and that has often
been necessary in my experience. I have one app that I have to go into
its own settings turn off all the alerts and turn them back on again
in the apps own settings. Then airplane mode off and on and then it
usually works. A pain every time the OS has been reinstalled for any
reason, upgrade, etc.

On 1/24/13, Corey Knapp  wrote:
>   Hi I am trying to get push notifications to work with my iphone 5.
> Here is what I have done this far.
> I went into the notifications and I hae facebook set to badges alerts and
> sounds. I also signed into the facebook under settings and I went into the
> facebook app and under notifications I went into mobile push and I made
> sure
> that everything was checked. I even removed and reinstalled the app. I hope
> that someone can help me thanks so much for your time.
>  Corey
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Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!

[James Mannion]

I agree that it is in large part perception and what one is telling
themselves. It is easy if one is not careful to overstate the problems
as to how they shape the entire picture and to overstate how great
things were in the past (grass is always greener). It is easy to take
the problems and create an entire gloom and doom and paint a picture
for yourself of where it is going and to tell yourself how perfect it
was in the past. I think Apple has more issues than they should, but I
don't really think they have mor issue than they did a few years ago.
As is pointed out in the message below, IOS 3.x versions were far from
perfect. Were they truly over all such a better over all situation, I
don't think so honestly. It is easy to combine the above with what the
press is trying to jam down your throat about Apple. There is such a
large contingency of them that want Apple dead! I think it is in part
because Google gives them what they want and Apple doesn't in terms of
data they want about people as well as advertising dollars being a
huge part of the picture where they are not in that kind of
relationship with Apple. The news media blows up every Apple issue to
the point of distortion and almost never mention an issue about any
other platform. They fill their articles with statements about how
Apple has lost their glory, Apple is no longer relavent and how Nobody
uses Apple products any more. Then some how completely out of line
with their story, Apple sells millions of Iphones every quarter still.

On 2/15/13, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I tend to disagree.  I think its just peoples perception, and awareness
> changing since Steve Jobs passing.  Basically, IOS is not new anymore, and
> we are less forgiving with mistakes.  And, we now have a convenient excuse
> or, cause for these mistakes, a new person heading Apple.  For example, do
> you guys remember that horrific standby bug in IOS 3.0?  How about antenna
> gate?  Or, iPhone 4 and 4S's being shipped with the glue not dried on launch
> day making peoples display look green?  My point is, mistakes were happening
> before as well.  Same kind of bugs too.  But overall, I still think IOS has
> gotten better, not worse.  Remember what homescreens were like without
> folders?  or fullKeyboard support with Voiceover?  Or how about the app
> switcher.  lol. and on and on.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>
> On Feb 15, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Blake Sinnett 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since the
>> middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too often.
>> iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen next.
>> Of course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll smooth
>> out. The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens.
>>
>> Blake
>>
>> --
>> From: 
>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:42 AM
>> To: 
>> Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
>>
>>> OT: iOS 6 disappointment!
>>>
>>> Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since
>>> release in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues.
>>> However Apple has had so many issues.
>>> First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks,  App, iTunes store. In
>>> the first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we
>>> didn't even have the ability to see ratings with the new software.
>>> Second, you had the App store crashing when you would go into the search
>>> area. This happened to everyone, not just our community.
>>> thirdly, who can forget the map debacle.
>>> You have devices going into recovery mode when you do a reset.
>>> The 6. 1 update you now have exchange issue. The extreme 4s battery
>>> issue, and now this morning people who use institutional accounts like at
>>> schools. Individuals can bypass the no downloading option.
>>> I just find this so sad. apple used to pay such close attention to
>>> stability, clean UI, and of course accessibility. I still love my Apple
>>> products, and hope things change under Jony Ive. Is anyone else feeling
>>> slightly let down? This is just a short list, I know you could point out
>>> more. I just pointed out a few which never should have happened!
>>>
>>> J.P.
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Re: Navigating through long message threads in WhatsApp

[James Mannion]

Right and would be handy accept for how likely is one to know a word
or specific time stamp of a message they have not yet read?

On 2/18/13, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was just about to suggest the same. haha.  I would also like to suggest
> using the item chooser.  For example, if you know a unique word in the
> message or, if the messages are time stamped, you could do a 2 finger triple
> tap to bring up the item chooser, type in the word or time, and go directly
> to the message your looking for.
>
> hth
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>
> On Feb 18, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Blake Sinnett 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> You could try doing a 4-fingered tap near the bottom of the screen, Then
>> flick left to go from the bottom up.
>>
>> Blake
>>
>> --
>> From: "Mike Busboom" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 11:21 AM
>> To: 
>> Subject: Navigating through long message threads in WhatsApp
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> Several friends and associates correspond with me using WhatsApp.  I have
>>> an iPhone 4S and, although the interface isn't comfortable for me, it is
>>> important that I stay in touch with these people.
>>>
>>> In one particular situation, I do not wish to erase any of the dialogue I
>>> am having, because this person's communication with me is a partial
>>> chronicling of a friendship that is very, very important in my life.  So
>>> here's my question:
>>>
>>> Since I am loathe to erase a single message in this particular thread,
>>> how can I quickly get to the message that this person most recently
>>> sent to me?  Whenever I click on this person's name, WhatsApp takes me to
>>> the beginning of the message thread, and I have thus far found no
>>> reliable way to get to the end of the thread, i.e. to the message most
>>> recently sent. I know that WhatsApp has a feature that lets you clear the
>>> messages, but without knowing whether or not this also deletes the
>>> thread, I won't invoke the feature.  So in summary, how do I quickly get
>>> to the end of a thread?  A three-finger flick-up advances me a few
>>> messages at a time, but I am wondering if there is a quicker way to get
>>> right to the most recent message sent. Is there a way to export an entire
>>> message thread to a file? I have looked at the settings, but I have
>>> struck out thus far.
>>>
>>> Kindest regards to all and thanks,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
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Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!

[James Mannion]

Yes that is unfortunate. What I wish they would say to Wall street is
screw all of you. We don't need your money and you can sell out if you
want to. I know there is more to it and it is a public company, but
Apple has enough money not to have to take Wall street's crap.

On 2/24/13, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> I like this last message best.  To add to the hope, we now have some greedy
> investors demanding a guaranteed 4% return on their investment for sitting
> around and doing nothing! Greedy Wall Street investors demand quick fix
> solutions and responses and short term deliverables which may be
> contributing to some of the recent things being released too quickly and
> possibly with errors that could otherwise have been fixed by delaying
> implementation dates.
>
> Anyway, I'm rambling here but I wanna be sure I'm not apologizing for
> Apple's mistakes but at the same time, I think they still have quality
> products and accessibility is still good and I feel that it has not slipped
> or gone backwards.
>
> On Feb 17, 2013, at 8:51 PM, James Mannion  wrote:
>
>> I agree that it is in large part perception and what one is telling
>> themselves. It is easy if one is not careful to overstate the problems
>> as to how they shape the entire picture and to overstate how great
>> things were in the past (grass is always greener). It is easy to take
>> the problems and create an entire gloom and doom and paint a picture
>> for yourself of where it is going and to tell yourself how perfect it
>> was in the past. I think Apple has more issues than they should, but I
>> don't really think they have mor issue than they did a few years ago.
>> As is pointed out in the message below, IOS 3.x versions were far from
>> perfect. Were they truly over all such a better over all situation, I
>> don't think so honestly. It is easy to combine the above with what the
>> press is trying to jam down your throat about Apple. There is such a
>> large contingency of them that want Apple dead! I think it is in part
>> because Google gives them what they want and Apple doesn't in terms of
>> data they want about people as well as advertising dollars being a
>> huge part of the picture where they are not in that kind of
>> relationship with Apple. The news media blows up every Apple issue to
>> the point of distortion and almost never mention an issue about any
>> other platform. They fill their articles with statements about how
>> Apple has lost their glory, Apple is no longer relavent and how Nobody
>> uses Apple products any more. Then some how completely out of line
>> with their story, Apple sells millions of Iphones every quarter still.
>>
>> On 2/15/13, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I tend to disagree.  I think its just peoples perception, and awareness
>>> changing since Steve Jobs passing.  Basically, IOS is not new anymore,
>>> and
>>> we are less forgiving with mistakes.  And, we now have a convenient
>>> excuse
>>> or, cause for these mistakes, a new person heading Apple.  For example,
>>> do
>>> you guys remember that horrific standby bug in IOS 3.0?  How about
>>> antenna
>>> gate?  Or, iPhone 4 and 4S's being shipped with the glue not dried on
>>> launch
>>> day making peoples display look green?  My point is, mistakes were
>>> happening
>>> before as well.  Same kind of bugs too.  But overall, I still think IOS
>>> has
>>> gotten better, not worse.  Remember what homescreens were like without
>>> folders?  or fullKeyboard support with Voiceover?  Or how about the app
>>> switcher.  lol. and on and on.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Blake Sinnett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since
>>>> the
>>>> middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too
>>>> often.
>>>> iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen
>>>> next.
>>>> Of course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll
>>>> smooth
>>>> out. The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens.
>>>>
>>>> Blake
>>>>
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>>

Re: OT: Change.Org Petition Samsung Attack On Vlind

[James Mannion]

I agree that I will not ever support Samsung either because of this.
Nice how they do not really do anything that indicates any real
interest in helping us to better use their products, but they are
willing to cash us in as a sacrifice to attack the competition. This
childish corrupt law suit stuff really, really needs to stop! Until
this law suit I have not heard of anything from Samsung concerning
voiceover or a screen reader of their creation that does anything
wonderful for us at all. Yet such a law suit would indicate they have
great concern for us as their customers, right? Yes maybe if it
weren't nothing but corruption!

On 2/24/13, Annie Skov Nielsen  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I will of course sign.
>
> I will also have to say, that I will never ever buy a samsung product after
> their trying to destroy something that is so important to me. I am angry. We
> all ought to sign.
>
> Best regards Annie.
> On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:22 AM, jshandr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Some of you may have already seen this. I know its been tweeted out. I
>> posted a petition on Change .Org on Saturday. It is in reference to
>> Samsung trying to block sale of Apple products in Germany. Yes, I know
>> their is a temporary hold on the decision. I just want Samsung to know the
>> attack on the blind community is a bad move. Not only financially, bug for
>> PR reasons. It is your choice whether or not you want to sign. I'm
>> including the link. Pass it around to your friends and family to sign.
>> Thanks for the support.http://chn.ge/XTrva7
>>
>> Vest, J. p.
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Re: OT: Change.Org Petition Samsung Attack On Vlind

[James Mannion]

So incredibly ridiculous too. Block the sale of a product under the
excuse that a comman is entered in the same way and then add to it the
fact that it does not even control something that is equal in
functionality either! There just aren't even words to describe it.
This law suit flinging is worse than 5 year olds. At least they have
an excuse for acting childish and they are more reasonable when they
do. If you can't stand your competition, maybe you just don't make a
worthy product to begin with. You know, one that would sell itself by
the millions? If because of your competition your sales are less, your
product sucks!

On 2/24/13, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> Join the club, not just for that reason, but the last time I bought one of
> their products, the Intrepid phone with Sprint, I had problem after problem
> with it.  It crashed repeatedly, when I did the slightest thing with it, and
> nobody at the Sprint stores I took it to could figure out what was wrong
> with it, and continuously tried to blame the Mobile Speak software for it
> crashing, which was upsetting to me.
>   So after about the 4th or 5th time it did this, and this was after I had
> to have help resetting it 2 days in a row, I just didn't reinstall Mobile
> Speak again, and decided to pay full price for a 32 gb IPhone, sense I
> unfortunately wasn't elegible for an upgrade yet, and wasn't willing to wait
> anymore.
>   So now my Intrepid is now one of Hannah's toys, and she loves to pretend
> to call her Granddad, and check her messages lol.
> On Feb 24, 2013, at 8:47 PM, James Mannion wrote:
>
>> I agree that I will not ever support Samsung either because of this.
>> Nice how they do not really do anything that indicates any real
>> interest in helping us to better use their products, but they are
>> willing to cash us in as a sacrifice to attack the competition. This
>> childish corrupt law suit stuff really, really needs to stop! Until
>> this law suit I have not heard of anything from Samsung concerning
>> voiceover or a screen reader of their creation that does anything
>> wonderful for us at all. Yet such a law suit would indicate they have
>> great concern for us as their customers, right? Yes maybe if it
>> weren't nothing but corruption!
>>
>> On 2/24/13, Annie Skov Nielsen  wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> I will of course sign.
>>>
>>> I will also have to say, that I will never ever buy a samsung product
>>> after
>>> their trying to destroy something that is so important to me. I am angry.
>>> We
>>> all ought to sign.
>>>
>>> Best regards Annie.
>>> On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:22 AM, jshandr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> Some of you may have already seen this. I know its been tweeted out. I
>>>> posted a petition on Change .Org on Saturday. It is in reference to
>>>> Samsung trying to block sale of Apple products in Germany. Yes, I know
>>>> their is a temporary hold on the decision. I just want Samsung to know
>>>> the
>>>> attack on the blind community is a bad move. Not only financially, bug
>>>> for
>>>> PR reasons. It is your choice whether or not you want to sign. I'm
>>>> including the link. Pass it around to your friends and family to sign.
>>>> Thanks for the support.http://chn.ge/XTrva7
>>>>
>>>> Vest, J. p.
>>>>
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Re: OT: Change.Org Petition Samsung Attack On Vlind

[James Mannion]

In reading some further posts on the web, this is worse than I
thought. The only article I read earlier today lead me to believe it
was about the triple click home to start voiceover. IT is not. IT is
about the very heart of voiceover for us, its ability to read things
on the screen. An article points out that this is the case and that
Samsung is not even trying to protect their technology for
accessibility, they are simply using it as a weapon. So they are
completely putting us up as a sacrifice for their battles. One can
only hope the courts will see right through this and consider it
exactly what it is.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/02/german-court-stays-samsungs-voiceover.html

"one. Samsung didn't assert this German patent in an effort to protect
its investment
in accessibility. It elected to use an accessibility-related patent as
a tactical
weapon. Patent protection and enforcement can be justified in certain scenarios.
For example, if there are two companies competing in the market for
hearing aids,
it's generally legitimate for them to assert accessibility-related
patents against
each other. I would also support the idea of accessibility patent enforcement in
cases of willful infringement, and if Samsung had only requested
monetary compensation
in this action, it would have made a much better choice than by trying
to achieve,
through the pursuit of an injunction, the deactivation or (more
realistically) degradation
of the voiceover functionality Apple provides to its German customers.
In recent weeks I have been contacted by a couple of journalists who
report on and
care about accessibility issues. One of them told me he's blind. I
completely understand
why the vision-impaired are concerned when they hear about a lawsuit
like this one.
Maybe there's a cultural difference here between Asia and the Western
hemisphere.
In the United States and Europe, people may be more sensitive to this
type of issue
than in Korea. I don't think Samsung is evil. I really don't. But it should give
more thought to the wider implications of its retaliatory actions
against Apple."

On 2/24/13, James Mannion  wrote:
> So incredibly ridiculous too. Block the sale of a product under the
> excuse that a comman is entered in the same way and then add to it the
> fact that it does not even control something that is equal in
> functionality either! There just aren't even words to describe it.
> This law suit flinging is worse than 5 year olds. At least they have
> an excuse for acting childish and they are more reasonable when they
> do. If you can't stand your competition, maybe you just don't make a
> worthy product to begin with. You know, one that would sell itself by
> the millions? If because of your competition your sales are less, your
> product sucks!
>
> On 2/24/13, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> Join the club, not just for that reason, but the last time I bought one
>> of
>> their products, the Intrepid phone with Sprint, I had problem after
>> problem
>> with it.  It crashed repeatedly, when I did the slightest thing with it,
>> and
>> nobody at the Sprint stores I took it to could figure out what was wrong
>> with it, and continuously tried to blame the Mobile Speak software for it
>> crashing, which was upsetting to me.
>>   So after about the 4th or 5th time it did this, and this was after I
>> had
>> to have help resetting it 2 days in a row, I just didn't reinstall Mobile
>> Speak again, and decided to pay full price for a 32 gb IPhone, sense I
>> unfortunately wasn't elegible for an upgrade yet, and wasn't willing to
>> wait
>> anymore.
>>   So now my Intrepid is now one of Hannah's toys, and she loves to
>> pretend
>> to call her Granddad, and check her messages lol.
>> On Feb 24, 2013, at 8:47 PM, James Mannion wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that I will not ever support Samsung either because of this.
>>> Nice how they do not really do anything that indicates any real
>>> interest in helping us to better use their products, but they are
>>> willing to cash us in as a sacrifice to attack the competition. This
>>> childish corrupt law suit stuff really, really needs to stop! Until
>>> this law suit I have not heard of anything from Samsung concerning
>>> voiceover or a screen reader of their creation that does anything
>>> wonderful for us at all. Yet such a law suit would indicate they have
>>> great concern for us as their customers, right? Yes maybe if it
>>> weren't nothing but corruption!
>>>
>>> On 2/24/13, Annie Skov Nielsen  wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> I will of course sign.
>>>>
>>>> I will also have to say, that

Re: OT: Change.Org Petition Samsung Attack On Vlind

[James Mannion]

But it is not about accessibility. Samsung is not concered about
giving us a quality accessibility experience. They probably wouldn't
know the first thing about how to and likely don't care to either. It
is about just another patten they can use as a weapon. do you honestly
think they are fighting for our little nitch market share? Then
consider ontop of that they do not offer a good competing screen
reader experience at all. No one should be allowed to cornor the
screen reader experience so that they would be the only company that
could offer it. I sure hope any judges realize and act appropriately
on such a concept. YThis is a hue threat to us and could be extremely
damaging to us in what it could be carried out to. I am quite
concerned and really angry that Samsung wants to sacrifice us in their
selfish plan of attack against Apple. Even thinking of Samsung making
a single penny and doing this to us results in raging anger and hate
towards them. Mostly I am concerned about the possible end result of
our accessibility being sacrificed and selfish people pulling the
strings that don't care one bit.

On 2/26/13, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> Cheree Heppe here
> It's about market share and accessibility, not childs play at all.
>
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
>
>
> Sent from my IPhone 4S
>
> On 26/02/2013, at 10:27, Carlene Knight  wrote:
>
> If they would stop fighting like a couple of spoiled, bratty children, the
> problem would be solved as well.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>
>> perhaps apple should break loose of some of their huge sums of spare cash
>> and simply buy out Samsung completely (its called a hostile takeover).
>> that would solve a number of problems all at once.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2013, at 7:57 PM, James Mannion wrote:
>>
>>> In reading some further posts on the web, this is worse than I
>>> thought. The only article I read earlier today lead me to believe it
>>> was about the triple click home to start voiceover. IT is not. IT is
>>> about the very heart of voiceover for us, its ability to read things
>>> on the screen. An article points out that this is the case and that
>>> Samsung is not even trying to protect their technology for
>>> accessibility, they are simply using it as a weapon. So they are
>>> completely putting us up as a sacrifice for their battles. One can
>>> only hope the courts will see right through this and consider it
>>> exactly what it is.
>>>
>>> http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/02/german-court-stays-samsungs-voiceover.html
>>>
>>> "one. Samsung didn't assert this German patent in an effort to protect
>>> its investment
>>> in accessibility. It elected to use an accessibility-related patent as
>>> a tactical
>>> weapon. Patent protection and enforcement can be justified in certain
>>> scenarios.
>>> For example, if there are two companies competing in the market for
>>> hearing aids,
>>> it's generally legitimate for them to assert accessibility-related
>>> patents against
>>> each other. I would also support the idea of accessibility patent
>>> enforcement in
>>> cases of willful infringement, and if Samsung had only requested
>>> monetary compensation
>>> in this action, it would have made a much better choice than by trying
>>> to achieve,
>>> through the pursuit of an injunction, the deactivation or (more
>>> realistically) degradation
>>> of the voiceover functionality Apple provides to its German customers.
>>> In recent weeks I have been contacted by a couple of journalists who
>>> report on and
>>> care about accessibility issues. One of them told me he's blind. I
>>> completely understand
>>> why the vision-impaired are concerned when they hear about a lawsuit
>>> like this one.
>>> Maybe there's a cultural difference here between Asia and the Western
>>> hemisphere.
>>> In the United States and Europe, people may be more sensitive to this
>>> type of issue
>>> than in Korea. I don't think Samsung is evil. I really don't. But it
>>> should give
>>> more thought to the wider implications of its retaliatory actions
>>> against Apple."
>>>
>>> On 2/24/13, James Mannion  wrote:
>>>> So incredibly ridiculous too. Block the sale of a product under the
>>>> excuse that a comman is entered in the same way and then add to it the
>>>> fact that it does not even control something that is equal in
>&

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

[James Mannion]

Maybe try turning down the volume when not in use so it will not
announce it to any extent that anyone would be able to hear it that
you don't want to hear it? Maybe do the 3 finger double tap to mute
speech when not in use and then just quickly unmute it with the same
command when you want to hear it? In my opinion worrying about this is
just an obsession with privacy that will have you always fighting
battles to no end in your life, but to each their own I guess and
there are ways around it if one care that much.

On 3/3/13, Emrah  wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no avail.
> VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic
> announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call.
> It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually
> interrogate the screen to know who is calling.
>
> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID
> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone?
>
> What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A
> petition?
>
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Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

[James Mannion]

Personal preferences it sounds like. Some of us wouldn't find it a big
deal to mute VO when locking the phone in a situation where it could
ring where we were so concerned about someone knowing who is calling.
As was mentioned, I don't think many of us really share this concern.
Personally I don't care about it much if at some random time somebody
knows by what something said who was calling me. I don't think the
information makes enough of a connection in their life to even
acknowledge it. Others like yourself do look at it differently though.
Maybe they will put in a setting some day, but until then there are
controls you can use to manage the situation. No, it is not 100%
automated, but not difficult to manage. It seems to me that expecting
100% automation to manage every situation causes more stress than to
just use the controls provided to effectively manage it.

On 3/3/13, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> You wrote:
>
> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID
> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone?
>
> Ouch!  I didn't realize it did that, but then, I hardly ever use a headset.
> Is this also an issue with bluetooth headsets, or only with wired.
>
> Chris.
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Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

[James Mannion]

There is a way around anything being announced when in a meeting and
such. It is the do not disturb feature. It is in the top level of the
menus. I guess unless one for some reason wants it to ring out loud in
the meeting, but not announce who it is. I guess then you might be
harder pressed for a solution.

On 3/3/13, John Panarese  wrote:
> I have to agree.  I have been in many situations in which sighted people
> had no idea what VoiceOver was saying because the announcement also comes
> with the ring tone.
>
> So they stopped calling you, Rich.  I guess that's why they have been
> calling me of late .
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>
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>
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:
>
>> The reason this particular issue doesn't concern me overly much is this.
>> Most people who aren't used to the iPhone speech won't understand the
>> number anyway. And, besides, I no longer receive covert calls from CIA
>> operatives, so I believe my information is relatively safe.
>>
>>
>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of
>> Fielding
>>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro
>> richr...@gmail.com
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>>> I like Caller ID, I.E. someone being announced although I wish it didn't
>>> do it on loud speaker when the I phone headset was plugged in.  However,
>>> I'd like the choice of having the announcement muted especially if you
>>> were in an important meeting as others have stated.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 3 Mar 2013, at 23:41, James Mannion  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Personal preferences it sounds like. Some of us wouldn't find it a big
>>>> deal to mute VO when locking the phone in a situation where it could
>>>> ring where we were so concerned about someone knowing who is calling.
>>>> As was mentioned, I don't think many of us really share this concern.
>>>> Personally I don't care about it much if at some random time somebody
>>>> knows by what something said who was calling me. I don't think the
>>>> information makes enough of a connection in their life to even
>>>> acknowledge it. Others like yourself do look at it differently though.
>>>> Maybe they will put in a setting some day, but until then there are
>>>> controls you can use to manage the situation. No, it is not 100%
>>>> automated, but not difficult to manage. It seems to me that expecting
>>>> 100% automation to manage every situation causes more stress than to
>>>> just use the controls provided to effectively manage it.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/3/13, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller
>>>>> ID
>>>>> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ouch!  I didn't realize it did that, but then, I hardly ever use a
>>>>> headset.
>>>>> Is this also an issue with bluetooth headsets, or only with wired.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris.
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Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

[James Mannion]

I agree and although I don't think there is generally anything wrong
with possible customizing options and settings, I think it is a bit
much to put this forth as some huge issue of any sort. There are
absolutely options to us the controls available to eliminate this
speaking if it is such a concern. I tend to agree that it is a bit to
the extreme to consider it a huge issue, especially when one can just
change a setting to not have it speak at all already or to not have it
at megaphone levels. If you don't want the caller ID speaking so loud,
does the phone have to ring that loud either? One can adjust the
ringer volume accordingly. A 3 fingr double tap is very quick and easy
to do. What I really take issue with and where I think peoples'
preferences are a bit of a problem is when they are presented as some
huge violation deficiency in the product issue. If we throw everything
at them as some huge issue at some point everything will be considered
the same thing. Just more complaining about everything. I don't know
how else to say it. THis just seems like taking something stupid to
the extreme without being willing to use what is available to us to
manage the use of the device and what it is set to do. It is not
practical to expect everything to automate to our ever preference at
every second and to consider it unreasonable to just do a double tap
with 3 fingers to the screen or to go and, gasp, have to change a
setting to fit the current need.

On 3/4/13, Sean Paul  wrote:
> Seriously?
> I don't think most sighted people that you come in contact with can even
> understand voiceover nor do they even care who is calling you. Again, at
> least we have the ability to have caller ID unlike when cell phones first
> came out. What if you have a home phone line & a talking caller ID box
> hooked up to it & someone is over at your house visiting is it any real big
>
> deal if they hear it? Are you going to go cut it off because you're afraid
> that they may hear it & have some sort of issue with who's calling you? I
> dare say those things are much easier to understand than any voiceover is...
>
> I certainly don't think so. What is a big deal to me is that we have the
> ability to have caller id, text messaging capabilities, web browsing, email,
>
> etc on our mobile devices which puts us at least on a somewhat level playing
>
> field with our sighted piers. I'd bet if you asked most sighted folks they
> wouldn't even care if someone saw their caller id...  Probably wouldn't have
>
> an issue if it were flashed up on some bilboard somewhere. I think there are
>
> much bigger fish to fry in the accessibility world than this one. Again,
> just be thankful that Apple cared enough about those of us who are visually
>
> impaired to give us something like voiceover.  Just one man's opinion & yes,
>
> sometimes I do get paid for it.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Emrah" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 09:32
> Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue
> with VoiceOver on iPhone
>
>
> Hi,
>
> How exactly do you think you are being constructive here?
>
> On the same register as your message, don't you think sighted people would
> have an issue if their caller ID were flashed on a billboard for everyone to
>
> see every time they get a call?
>
> It goes without saying that it is great we have access to caller ID. What is
>
> not so great is that it is announced out loud automatically for every one in
>
> your immediate surroundings to hear.
>
> I know that blind people sometimes have a hard time acknowledging the
> presence of other people who can see and hear. I like using my phone in a
> rather discrete fashion with a Bluetooth earpiece. I personally find it
> annoying that incoming calls make Samantha irrupt through my speakerphone
> and freak out the fellow traveller who is sitting right across from me. :) I
>
> don't quite like being the subject of other's curiosity. They suddenly have
>
> to acknowledge that there is a blind guy in the house.
>
> I am happy for you if you don't consider it to be an issue. I guess it
> depends on a multitude of settings and appreciate your opinion.
>
> However, I still believe I have a valid point here. There is no reason for
> us to broadcast the name and number of people who are calling us.
>
> Cheers
>
> E
>
> On Mar 4, 2013, at 6:05 AM, Sean Paul  wrote:
>
>> So, would you complain if it wasn't spoken at all? I'd bet you would.
>> Isn't it a good thing that we get caller ID at all? I mean? Seriously?
>> - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 15:54
>> Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue
>>
>> with VoiceOver on iPhone
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Not to sound discouraging but, I honestly don't know how many really share
>>
>> this concern.  I'm not so sure it's unavoidable either.  One could mute
>> speech with a 3 finger double tap when not in use or, 

Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone

[James Mannion]

I wasn't saying there is. I was saying I don't see anything wrong with
someone putting a suggestion in for an additional customization
setting to control this, but differentiating that from putting it out
there as a huge issue that just completely violates privacy instead of
looking it as manageable with the settings currently available now and
further automation could be possible with additional settings options.

On 3/4/13, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> no.  There is no customizable setting to prevent this.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>
> On Mar 4, 2013, at 5:45 PM, "Moses Choo"  wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> While you are all on the topic of the caller ID anouncement, I have yet
>> something more irritating.  Not only does the phone anounce when it
>> rings,
>> even during the conversation it will also anounce the caller or his
>> number.
>> Besides muting the speech while we are on the line, is there something
>> else
>> that we can do?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Moses.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
>> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:05 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue
>> with VoiceOver on iPhone
>>
>> Friend,
>>
>> Thanks for your prompt input.
>> The fact is that if you wish VO to speak lower on incoming calls, you
>> must
>> lower the volume of the ringer alert.
>> Otherwise turning down the volume of VO is not extremely practical since
>> there are too many cases where you need the volume back at a normal
>> level.
>> And muting VO every time you are done with it? I don't think the setting
>> is
>> intended to be used that way.
>>
>> Did you see the issue where an incoming call triggers VO to speak through
>> the speakerphone even with a headset connected?
>>
>> The fact is that I am not asking for an improvement here, but something
>> that
>> should have been there at the first place.
>> I am far from being over concerned by privacy, but I happen to feel a
>> little
>> uncomfortable when VO announces the names of people that call me when I
>> am
>> sitting on a train, in a meeting or basically close to strangers.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:38 PM, James Mannion  wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe try turning down the volume when not in use so it will not
>>> announce it to any extent that anyone would be able to hear it that
>>> you don't want to hear it? Maybe do the 3 finger double tap to mute
>>> speech when not in use and then just quickly unmute it with the same
>>> command when you want to hear it? In my opinion worrying about this is
>>> just an obsession with privacy that will have you always fighting
>>> battles to no end in your life, but to each their own I guess and
>>> there are ways around it if one care that much.
>>>
>>> On 3/3/13, Emrah  wrote:
>>>> Hi list,
>>>>
>>>> I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility. To no
>> avail.
>>>> VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic
>>>> announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call.
>>>> It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to
>>>> manually interrogate the screen to know who is calling.
>>>>
>>>> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the
>>>> caller ID is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone?
>>>>
>>>> What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A
>>>> petition?
>>>>
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Re: iPhone5 Speaker Blaring Out Quickly

[James Mannion]

I think it is because speaker phone needs to have voiceover speaking
more loudly through it than when not on a call, the opposite of people
having concerns about it not speaking loud enough. I think it can just
be a matter that it, in some cases, might not be perfectly on time in
adjusting back. I think it might just be nitpicking to take issue with
that. Sometimes trying to fix little tiny nitpick issues ends up with
a result that is worse. I also have to say I really don't get peoples'
super sensative embarrassment thing if people hear your phone say
something for a second. If one is really that concerned about that,
for whatever sake use headphones! Honestly, unless people are
disrupted and long enough to care, they probably don't! They probably
don't even hear it in most cases or even register it in their mind.

On 10/4/12, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
> Hello All.
>
> I wonder if anyone else has found the same issue with their iPhone5.
>
> If I am on a call, with the phone held to my ear, and I go to terminate the
> call, I begin to move the phone away from my ear. If the person hangs up
> while I am doing this, then the iPhone will blurt out a word or two very
> loudly. Sometimes through the ear piece, and other times seemingly through
> the speaker phone. In both cases it will hurt your ear momentarily. Then the
> volume immediately jumps back to normal.
>
> This is very embarrassing  when I am in an office setting.
>
> Anyone else see this?
>
> Thanks.
> Rodney
>
>
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Re: iOS6 alarm sounds very quiet

[James Mannion]

Maybe just to eliminate a possibility, set an alarm or a timer and
then turn voiceover off with the tripple click home if you have that
set before the alarm sounds and see if it sounds normally? If it does,
the resulting work around might be to turn voiceover off before you go
to sleep and then turn it back on when the alarm goes off? A little of
a pain, but not a huge deal I would think if that works. If it is not
an issue limited to when voiceover is on, I would guess forums have
plenty of posts on it and it's a feature a lot of people use. That's a
good combination for something to get corrected or be a lot more
likely to sooner.

On 10/15/12, Alex Hall  wrote:
> Hi all,
> I've noticed a very disturbing problem in iOS6 and hope there's a fix. With
> vo on, alarm sounds are turned way down, so that I could easily, say, sleep
> through an alarm clock or miss a timer alert. As I said, I'm hoping this is
> a vo setting of some kind, but I have a bad feeling it's an iOS6 problem.
> Anyone else found this? I find calendar sounds to work normally, though
> admittedly I haven't heard many since the upgrade so could be mistaken.
> However, alarm sounds from the clock app and a third-party alarm app both
> don't work. Clock sounds (timers and alarms) are very quite, while the
> third-party app seems to mute itself after a couple seconds. As I said, this
> is a big problem as I use my iPod for an alarm clock. Any advice would be
> great. Thanks.
>
>
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
>
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Re: my thanks for the suggestions about the fan issue

[James Mannion]

What was the resolution? Did they replace it?

On 10/15/12, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
> Hi all.
> Just got back from best buy.
> Macbook air works great now.
> As quiet as can be, I'm very impressed with the machine.
> Thanks for your suggestions.
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Re: iPad App Store losing sales, alienating

[James Mannion]

I'm not sure what is being complained abouthere. The "tiny" area on
the screen to flick up or down is no problem to find if one is willing
t think for one minute or at least take some advice if not of how to
get to it. Tough the bottom left icon, the bottom left tab on the
screen and do one flick left. There, you are on it. Honestly this
complaint does not sound the least bit constructive. Apple provided
accessibility to flick through the apps, and yes, it was a solution
that appears to have been an after thought, but at least they did
provide it and provided it quickly. It is absolutely perfectly usable
and is no harder to use, just different, than before. It is absolutely
frustrating when people get on a kick that just because it is
different that it is all wrong.

On 11/7/12, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> Okay,  so, did you yourself create such a trouble ticket?
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> On Nov 7, 2012, at 7:42 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>>
>> This design in which a tiny area is to be flicked at to advance the app
>> list isn't a realistic access methodology.  The structure of the App Store
>> prior to IOS 6 worked fine, as did the IBooks store.  Since the change, My
>> perusal and purchase of both apps and IBooks has dropped off sharply.
>> This isn't because I don't prefer to look around and to purchase, it's
>> because the access has become so chancy and difficult.
>>
>> Whoever is advising the Apple creative teams on blindness disability may
>> deserve a second hard look.  This is because when Apple opened its
>> accessibility window for blind users, it completely derailed some
>> entrenched and very expensive blindness products and made the major
>> Windows screen readers look clumsy and badly designed.
>>
>> You don't suppose those blindness bastions are going to take that lying
>> down?  What if bad advice in the name of experienced accesibility could be
>> given to Apple to weaken or limit the scope and reach of Apple's new
>> access?  What if the voices and speech could be skewed toward the silly
>> season variety, as in that fake Ease Indin accent that allows the
>> perfectly good Australian voice to mispronounce standard words.  Some of
>> us blind users depend on the pronounciation to know how a word is spelled.
>>  Some mispronounced words when spoken in that fake Ease Indian accent,
>> sound exactly like other real words.
>>
>> So, with a few suggestions that get accepted,  and with a few more that
>> well, really guys, the totally blind can't be expected to really handle
>> much, can they, the whole beautifully positive Apple access platform tilts
>> toward the glitchy, falty Windows variety.
>>
>> It is a good idea to call and have a trouble ticket created.  How did that
>> old patriotic saying go?  Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.
>>
>> So, let's not give up our newly won freedom with these Apple devices and
>> interfaces.
>>
>> By the way, I'm totally blind and totally able to use the Apple devices,
>> as long as the accessibility playing field isn't stacked against me.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Cheree Heppe
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad Mini
>>
>> On 07/11/2012, at 1:51, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Cheree, I don't know how to do this with the IPad,but with the IPhone
>>> at least, I definitely! can show you.  It's a little weird, but it is
>>> extremely doable.  I do it all the time!
>>>
>>> OK, so, on your 4S, at least, what you need to do, is after you bring the
>>> page up for your first result, tap near the very bottom center of the
>>> screen, if it helps, I don't know how much, if any, vision that you have,
>>> but if you have enough to see the little thumbnail picture of the artwork
>>> for the app, what you need is immediately just directly below that.  it's
>>> basically gonna be right between that artwork, and your home key.  If you
>>> can't see it, it is a flickable item, so don't worry.  If push comes to
>>> shove, you definitely! can flick to it.  You will see that there is an
>>> adjuster.  It'll say something like 1 of 45, or 1 of 200, or whatever.
>>> Now, what you want to do is on that adjuster, just like you would do
>>> normally, just one finger flick up to get to the next result, and one
>>> finger flick down to get to the previous one.  Be sure you're focused on
>>> that adjuster though before you virtically flick.  Otherwise, you're
>>> gonna be moving the currently set rotor setting like words, headings,
>>> characters, etc.
>>>
>>> Again, no dice for the IPad.  I will say that Chris from Apple did call
>>> me back yesterday, around 6, rigbht before he left for the day, and he
>>> told me that he, his boss, and about 5 or 6 others had a staff meeting
>>> which he himself requested, to discuss the stores IPad accessibility
>>> moving forward, as he too agreed since I O S 6.anything came out, it's
>>> somewhat climbed down hil

Re: icloud and iphone5

[James Mannion]

The backup on your computer should preserve the data and kind of what
you might think of as the shell of how your apps were configured on
your screens and or in folders and such. The apps will be put back on
from the synchrnize process and what came from the backup should
preserve and restore the data for those apps.

On 11/10/12, William Windels  wrote:
> Hello,
> From today, I have my iphone5 black 64GB.
> I haven't played with it much but, it's much faster for shore than my
> iphone4.
>
> I have some questions about moving the data from my iphone4 to my iphone5:
> I had made a backup with iTunes to my air from my iphone4.
> When I restore from there, programs like list recordr , with included
> records, seems not available on my iPhone5.
> Also, programs like Skype, Facebook , status report and some others, aren't
> transferred, I think.
>
> So, some questions:
> 1. wht's  the difference between a iCloud-backup and a backup on my macbook?
> with itunes
> 2. should I have normally the saved data in a application (sandbox), when I
> do a recovery from iCloud?
> I mean: I can also re-install the missing apps but then, I will lose the
> data from e.g. list-recorder, digit-eyes, usbdisc pro (explorer…
> 3. Can I restore my iphone5 from a backup on my macbook with iTunes from a
> previous date?
> I mean: without restoring my hole system from time-machine on a previous
> date, can I have a earlier version of the backup of my iphone4?
>
> any help would be greatly appreciated,
>
> kind regards,
> William Windels
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Re: ipad mini question:

[James Mannion]

Well I guess if she is going to follow the suggestion of changing the
language via te IPad mini, she is going to have to either be able to
understand Spanish or have sighted assistance. I think that was the
reason for the question of how to do it from the mac. Because the mac
is presumably still speaking English, the IPad is not.

On 11/23/12, Charlie Doremus  wrote:
> Sorry should've said iPad Mini not Mac Mini just follow the same
> instructions on your iPad mini
>
> Aloha,
>
> Charlie
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Chenelle Hancock 
> wrote:
>
>> hi all,
>>
>> i just received my brand new ipad mini in the mail this morning, however,
>> when i went to turn voice over on  using my m.b. pro. It started off in
>> english but then it went to spanish immediately  so how do i change it
>> back to english via my m.b. pro?. thank you so much i really appreciate
>> it.
>> sincerely, chenelle
>> thank you so much for help and  time  with regards to this matter.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 23/11/2012, at 11:22 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
>>
>>>   Today's Topic Summary
>>> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
>>>
>>> posting a picture from a text message to FACEbook? [1 Update]
>>> Can no longer use Google Maps to get directions [1 Update]
>>> Numbers reports "busy" when working with long spreadsheet [2 Updates]
>>> commander for notifications center? [5 Updates]
>>> Sound Forge ON Mac? [3 Updates]
>>> Video Converter Suggestions [2 Updates]
>>> mountain lion impressions [4 Updates]
>>> Safari plug ins, read ability [1 Update]
>>> bean word processor [1 Update]
>>> Accessible Crossword Puzzles [2 Updates]
>>> turning up youtube videos [1 Update]
>>> Tonido [1 Update]
>>> podcasts [1 Update]
>>>  posting a picture from a text message to FACEbook?
>>> Donna Goodin  Nov 23 09:05AM -0600
>>>
>>> Anyone know how to do this? I've tried it from my iPhone, and from
>>> iMessage, but can't seem to figure it out.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>>
>>>
>>>  Can no longer use Google Maps to get directions
>>> Christine Grassman  Nov 23 08:40AM -0500
>>>
>>> Haven't done this in a while, since I generally just use Navigon or
>>> another app to get directions. However, I am seeking directions from one
>>> point to another, not from my current location, in order to plan a trip,
>>> and Google Maps on the Mac is so cluttered with a visual map I can't make
>>> heads or tails of it, or even find the option for public transportation.
>>> I tried going to Google's mobile site, but it appears that their map
>>> services are only available if one has an Android device. Is there a
>>> workaround, or another site I can use? Thanks.
>>> Christine
>>> P.S. I tried Mapquest, but that's a bundle of confusion as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Numbers reports "busy" when working with long spreadsheet
>>> Brian Fischler  Nov 22 11:29PM -0800
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> I have had several problems with numbers since the mountain lion
>>> updated, and emailed apple accessibility a few weeks back. I never
>>> heard anything as I did express my disappointment with how poor an
>>> apple product like numbers worked with VO. I finally heard back from
>>> Apple and they said Numbers hasn't been updated in several years to
>>> reflect the changes in operating systems, and they currently can't say
>>> when numbers will be updated. Very frustrating and disappointing. I
>>> think Apple should place a disclaimer on the product, as it is very
>>> misleading. I work with large spreadsheets, so would love to hear
>>> about some alternative options since I feel both numbers and excel are
>>> pretty non accessible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eugenia Firth  Nov 23 05:43AM -0600
>>>
>>> Hi Brian
>>> Some people on this list of said that they like the program called
>>> tables. I have not used it myself because I am been able to work around
>>> the problems that we've discussed. I can see that if you use numbers for
>>> hours a day, it would be a definite problem. I don't know if I would call
>>> numbers and excel inaccessible, but I would call them difficult to use
>>> these days If you have large files.
>>> Gigi
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  commander for notifications center?
>>> Kliphton.A.M  Nov 23 02:58AM -0600
>>>
>>> When notifications center was first introduced in mountain lion, someone
>>> posted a work around on how to make a commander or hot key for it since
>>> you
>>> couldn't do it the normal way in vo utility. Does anyone remember how to
>>> do
>>> it, or have that message handy? I searched for it on the archives, but
>>> no
>>> luck. Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kliphton Senior
>>>
>>> (Email&iMessage) kliph...@outlook.com
>>>
>>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72
>>>
>>> (Personal blog-read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com
>>> 
>>>
>>> (Life Journal) kliphton.wordpress.com
>>>
>>> (face book) http://facebook.com/kliphandsharrie
>>>
>>>
>>> Kawal Gucukoglu  Nov 23 10:54AM
>>>
>>> 

Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

[James Mannion]

I would say if the screen reader can "fix" bad code and make it work
the way it should have, please do it! There are more than plenty of
instances where you will never get the developer to fix it or even
begin to care. If you do then there are advantages to that, but who
knows how many weeks, months or years it would take for that to
happen. So how about if the screen reader told you it corrected
something, allowed you to turn that functionality off if you really
wanted to and then you could get tings done and then take all your
time trying to right the world in Nigotiations with the developer if
you wanted to. Have fun.

On 11/24/12, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> Got it. That's really interesting. I like this way of philosophie. But on
> the other hand for a "simple" user the most important seems to be that the
> screen reader just works. The "average" user is probably not interested in
> technical back ground stuff but in just working with a web side as easily as
> possible. Eventually that's Apples philosophie in all there products for
> sighted customers.
> I wished they tried to implement some stuff in VO to compensate bad code
> from web side developers. In the end it takes my time to surf a web side not
> theirs.
> But thanks again for your explanation. It gives me more clarity.
> Jürgen
>
> Am 24.11.2012 um 01:45 schrieb Chris Blouch :
>
>> One problem with Jaws is that it will attempt to 'repair' bad HTML under
>> the hood. For testing this masks errors in a site from developers such
>> that Jaws might work ok but other screen readers are not as tolerant of
>> bad code in a particular setup. VoiceOver on Mac and NVDA on Windows do
>> not attempt to repair bad code and rely on developers doing the right
>> thing to begin with. This philosophical difference means comparisons of
>> compatibility between Jaws and any other screen reader/browser combo just
>> isn't going to match.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 11/22/12 11:18 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>>> That happens here as well. Apple probably will tell you that it depends
>>> how the side is built.
>>> I recently discribed to them the issue that VO quite often doesn't
>>> interact with a web page, despite the fact that it's checked in the the
>>> VO settings. They told me it depends on the web side not on VO. My
>>> impression is Safari is not built to support all the possibilities of
>>> VoiceOver. And so it seems not to work reliablly. But I wonder why it
>>> works in Internet Explorer and Jaws on the same side. Maybe the structure
>>> of Internet Explorer allows a better compatibility to a screen reader. I
>>> don't know. But if it is not a VO issue and it works in Windows screen
>>> readers it might be so.
>>>
>>> Am 20.11.2012 um 18:53 schrieb Alex Hall :
>>>
 Hi all,
 Every so often, when I load or reload a page, vo will restart. I will
 hear "Voiceover on" after several seconds of intense activity from the
 hard drive, and things will proceed normally from there. Why would vo be
 crashing, and are there logs I could use to pinpoint the problem or at
 least tell Apple what is going on?


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Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

[James Mannion]

You make some good points that I can't disagree with. If we could just
have developed standards and have them used, that would take us down
the best route I think.

On 11/26/12, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> There are a couple difficulties with the secret repair approach:
>
> 1. It enables developers to continue with bad habits which they will
> apply to more and more pages over time. At some point they need to learn
> to stop doing bad things. Often time the bad behavior also conflicts
> with web standards and best practices so sloppy code will break other
> things down the road (canary in the coal mine scenarios). The show up as
> weird intermittent hard to track down issues which burn up developer
> time 'fixing accessibility'.
>
> 2. The automated repair techniques can also get it wrong, making correct
> page code do bad things, or do the repair incorrectly in some
> situations. This makes some bugs hard to track down since a chunk of bad
> code in one situation works ok but fails in the other leaving the
> developer scratching their heads and just saying the screen readers are
> buggy, inconsistent and therefore accessibility is just to much work.
>
> 3. It's a black hole for screen reader developer time. I'm sure the
> Jaws, NVDA or VoiceOver developers can pretty quickly define how much
> implementation time it will take to parse correct HTML and give a
> reasonable text representation, but how many use cases and scenarios are
> there to implement for handling all the incorrect HTML? An infinite
> number of monkeys and typewriters might be able to do that but most
> companies have finite budgets, even Apple.
>
> CB
>
> On 11/24/12 2:57 PM, James Mannion wrote:
>> I would say if the screen reader can "fix" bad code and make it work
>> the way it should have, please do it! There are more than plenty of
>> instances where you will never get the developer to fix it or even
>> begin to care. If you do then there are advantages to that, but who
>> knows how many weeks, months or years it would take for that to
>> happen. So how about if the screen reader told you it corrected
>> something, allowed you to turn that functionality off if you really
>> wanted to and then you could get tings done and then take all your
>> time trying to right the world in Nigotiations with the developer if
>> you wanted to. Have fun.
>>
>> On 11/24/12, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>>> Got it. That's really interesting. I like this way of philosophie. But
>>> on
>>> the other hand for a "simple" user the most important seems to be that
>>> the
>>> screen reader just works. The "average" user is probably not interested
>>> in
>>> technical back ground stuff but in just working with a web side as easily
>>> as
>>> possible. Eventually that's Apples philosophie in all there products for
>>> sighted customers.
>>> I wished they tried to implement some stuff in VO to compensate bad code
>>> from web side developers. In the end it takes my time to surf a web side
>>> not
>>> theirs.
>>> But thanks again for your explanation. It gives me more clarity.
>>> Jürgen
>>>
>>> Am 24.11.2012 um 01:45 schrieb Chris Blouch :
>>>
>>>> One problem with Jaws is that it will attempt to 'repair' bad HTML
>>>> under
>>>> the hood. For testing this masks errors in a site from developers such
>>>> that Jaws might work ok but other screen readers are not as tolerant of
>>>> bad code in a particular setup. VoiceOver on Mac and NVDA on Windows do
>>>> not attempt to repair bad code and rely on developers doing the right
>>>> thing to begin with. This philosophical difference means comparisons of
>>>> compatibility between Jaws and any other screen reader/browser combo
>>>> just
>>>> isn't going to match.
>>>>
>>>> CB
>>>>
>>>> On 11/22/12 11:18 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>>>>> That happens here as well. Apple probably will tell you that it
>>>>> depends
>>>>> how the side is built.
>>>>> I recently discribed to them the issue that VO quite often doesn't
>>>>> interact with a web page, despite the fact that it's checked in the
>>>>> the
>>>>> VO settings. They told me it depends on the web side not on VO. My
>>>>> impression is Safari is not built to support all the possibilities of
>>>>> VoiceOver. And so it seems not to work reliablly. But I wonder why it
>&

Re: HELP! Corrupted iTunes library in Windows!

[James Mannion]

Have you investigated if you go to your music folder in windows, not
sure if you are using windows xp or windows 7 or something else. Under
vista based systems like win 7, if you type music in the windows start
menu search box it should bring up your music library. Under there
should be an itunes folder. Within the itunes folder there are several
sub folders, but the one labeled itunes media or something with the
word media in it should have subfolders for all of your stuff. There
are also some other folders at the same level as the media folder that
may be useful. Under XP I think it would be under my documents and my
music under there where you would find the itunes stuff.

On 10/21/10, David Hole  wrote:
> Hi folks
> I need help here!
> About 12 hours ago, I had to reboot my windows-machine.
> Fter that I fired up iTunes.
> In itunes there were a bunch of music that had lost their tags...
> Everything from album and artist names and titles. All track-numbers and
> album-numbers seemed to be there.
> I don't know if the music it-self is somehow corrupted, but I hope
> not... Maybe someone can say anything about this...?
> Since the tags and stuff is messed up, also the folder and file-names
> are totally messed up.
> Is it possible in some ways to revert to something that works?
>
> I'd like to add that I have a huge music library, and I've heard that
> iTunes is bad at handling large libraries at all.
>
> Hope that someone can help me out...
> I'd be very pleased if so.
> Kind regards David
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Re: Anyone try the iPod 6th gen?

[James Mannion]

I checked it out in the store and thought it was super cool. Am sort
of tempted to buy one, but can't really justify it yet. Sure the
IPhone can do everything the nano can and more, but for just using the
nano for things you would not have to worry about breaking anything.
You virtually would nto have to be concerned about doing anything to
the nano. It would fit in anything too. Unfortunate it can't network
stream things or do anything with bluetooth either.

On 10/22/10, rayna424  wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> My sighted boyfriend just got the 6th generation nano and holy cow is
> it tiny haha! Thought I'd ask ya'll if you've gotten one and how you
> like it? Did a search here but just came up with podcasts. I'd like to
> know what you think.
>
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Re: Purchasing a wireless keyboard.

[James Mannion]

So I think is most cases it has more range than you are going to ever
feel constrained by.

On 10/30/10, David McLean  wrote:
> Supposedly 30 feet.  Not sure if that is actually a fact since I haven't
> tried more than a few feet but that's what the doc says.
> On Oct 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chenelle Hancock wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhonehi everyone,
>>
>> I just purchase my wireless  blue tooth keyboard just this morning on
>> apples website. I wanted to know how many  feet can you be away from
>> either your iPhone  or your mv pro and still be able to use it?.
>> Thanks a lot I  really appreciate it.
>> Sincerely, chenelle
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Re: iPad WiFi issues delaying iPhone/iPad update:

[James Mannion]

If there is a problem with something as important as something with
the wifi working correctly then I hope they delay til they fix it. I
can't stand buggy crap pushed out the door. Why do people just have to
have something not solidified released anyway? Then you have to wait
til the next release to actually even possibly have it work right.
Admittedly I have not yet rea the article, but the subject implies
that it is a network connectivity issue. I don't want issues with
that.

On 11/12/10, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Is this a bug that is really delaying the expected update today? will it
> really be delayed for a few weeks? read more: http://j.mp/bArWhi
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Re: Addressbook disappearing on Iphone

[James Mannion]

I am aware, as many are, that there are wide spread reports all over
the internet of contacts disappearing problems on the IPhone in 4.x. I
do not know in exactly what situations it happens, but in my opinion
it is completely unaceptable that they are going to make something
that claims to be a damn cell phone and there are reliability issues
with the contacts even dstaying on the damn thing! This is just what I
think is a justified frustration with this product not measuring up to
acceptable standards in an area where it clearly should. In any case,
I have come to the conclusion that a way around part of the problem of
the lack of reliability, and only part of the problem but at least a
big part, is to use a program like IDrive lite or contact tools to
backup your contacts from the phone once you have them the way you
want them and these programs allow a way of restoring selected
contacts or the entire database. Contact tools keeps the backup on the
phone internally in its own file in your choice of formats, a couple
of which are able to be used for a restore and IDrive lite backs them
up to their server on the internet and can be accessed through a web
browser from anywhere. The parts that definitely can not solve is the
inconvenience and the issue of when some disappear and you get an
incoming call from one that has disappeared at that time and the phone
will not recognize who that is and will give you a number instead I
presume on the caller ID that hopefully you will recognize at that
time. An unreliable contacts manager in something that has any damn
business calling itself a phone is something that is just absolutely
unacceptable in my opinion for sure though. Maybe 4.2 will fix it, but
I doubt that more than I would assume it would. I love what the IPhone
afords us in accessibility, but I can't stand what I perceive as
Apple's attitude towards quality assurance in their products. They get
by on people's inflated illusions in that area. Yes that is my
opinion. Yes some will disagree. Can they back up their position? I
don't know.

On 11/15/10, Allison Manzino  wrote:
> Hi Sarah and all,
>
> No These contacts were manually added by me on the Iphone. Now, I can't find
> them uh oh. I'm confused because I thought the Iphone backed up
> automatically. One of them is the number for the cab company I use to get to
> work :(.
>
> Musically,
> Allison
>
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>
>> Are they on your mac address book? if not they might have been removed
>> that way.
>>
>> Take care.
>>
>> s
>> On Nov 15, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if this is the right list to post to. So I apologize in
>>> advance. I tried to sync my contacts this morning, and two contacts that
>>> previously existed on my Iphone are gone. Where did they go? Any help
>>> would be greatly appreciated. Have a wonderful day.
>>>
>>> Cheerfully,
>>> Allison
>>>
>>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>>>
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Re: safari not always alerting when page is loaded

[James Mannion]

Yes I have noticed it too. Maybe it's because 4.2 is so damn full of
bugs that something working right would be out of place.

On 11/28/10, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed that Safari doesn't always give the little bleep
> sound when a page is loaded?  any clue why this is?
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Re: questions about NVDA

[James Mannion]

And I, as I am completely sure are others, getting absolutely sick and
tired of FS wasting ours and government dollars with a product that is
overpriced so they can engage in such dishonest behavior, buying up
patents on every stupid characteristic so they can plant them as land
mines and then trying to monopolize the market by trying to put
everyone else out of business with their dishonest bool shit through
the court system and trying to cause them to have to spend tmore than
they have and put them under. This is criminal, not at all good for
our industry, and with this kind of behavior we would all be better
off without Freedom scientific's existance. Clearly their only mission
is to fill their pockets. They need to go take their bool shit to some
other industry if that is all they want. Get the hell out if that is
their motivation in the market.

Jim


On 12/12/09, Joe Plummer  wrote:
> Hi, 4 gb will do just fine with running Windows in boot camp or the other
> ways. I wouldn't spend the money on the ram, unless you are going to do high
> end gaming or high end video or audio editing. I would spend the money on
> something better. Just my thoughts.
>
>
>
>
> Sign,
> JP ( Joe Plummer)
> joeplum...@tds.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 3:50 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: questions about NVDA
>
> Yeh It's the mbp 2.53 ghz processor model, I'm pgetting it with 4gb ram, as
> 8gb would have cost another 1200 dollars from apple out of the factory.
>
>
>  So I'll just wait a couple of months and get 8 gig in 2 4 gig sticks   that
> should take care of any  memory issues with bootcamp or vm fusion if I go
> that way.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Plummer
> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 9:22 a.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: questions about NVDA
>
> This is true you will need some vision around to do boot camp. But once you
> get it done, you will be ok. It is a matter of choice and how much ram your
> Mac will have. I would say to make it work great using the other ways you
> will need at least 4gb of ram. Can get by with less but 4gb will be much
> better. Just my thoughts.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sign,
> JP ( Joe Plummer)
> joeplum...@tds.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:56 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: questions about NVDA
>
> If you're planning to use Bootcamp, you'll probably need a sighted person
> around to read the Windows install.
> On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>> Great, thanks for telling me that now. I was hoping to install boot
>> camp on my new mbp 13inch when it arrives in about a week.
>>
>> So would I be better then using vm fusion or  virtual box?
>>
>> Or will windows 7 be fine in a bootcamp setup?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 8:29 a.m.
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: questions about NVDA
>>
>> Hello Christina,
>>
>> I have both Windows and a MacBook Pro computer.  In addition to using
>> Jaws in Windows 7, I am a longtime user of Zoomtext which I am also
>> using in Windows 7 on my Windows based computers.
>>
>> You are correct in that, at present, Zoomtext 9.1 does not work in
>> virtualized environments thus, you will, indeed need to run Windows 7
>> in Bootcamp on your Mac.
>>
>> Please be aware that, unless something has changed since last I
>> checked, there are currently audio driver compatibility problems when
>> running BootCamp on the 13 inch MacBook Pro.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:54 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: questions about NVDA
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like
>> back on a mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have
>> not installed windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it
>> simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos
>> as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for that.  I
>> have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom text
>> would help but I am thinking of trying.  I understand that zoomtext
>> will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I would have to
>> use boot camp.
>>
>> So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen
>> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious a

An IPhone question

[James Mannion]

Hello everyone,
I would post this on the VIPhones list, but I ahve not yet been
approved as a member and I see there is discussion of it here as well.
 I just purchased one yesterday and am very hopeful for it to be able
to become my primary device as a phone and portable internet access
device without the limitations of most portable internet stuff.  Here
has been my biggest quandry so far though and I really wish I knew
this could be worked out.  When reading longer passages of text, such
as an email would be (which I don't yet have setup on mine) I have
noticed that Voiceover treats a text passage as one single element.
Therefore taping it reads it from beginning to end with the only
control over it that I know of being to stop it from reading and then
read either by word or by character.  Sometimes both of these options
are important and certainly need to be there, but is there any other
way to control the chunks by which you read and navigate that text
passage?  Sometimes the entire thing is too much to take in as one all
or nothing read and to get through by word to find a particular spot
could be impractical to get to something say in the second page
somewhere to review what it said?  Do you know if any trick works to
have it read say a text passage that is multiple screens in length by
screen at least?  I do not think there is a way by line although I
really, really hope they add it as it is extremely important to have
navigation options.  Is there any way to manipulate such a text that
you might receive in an email or be reading on a web page such that
you could at the very least read it screen by screen and navigate
through any of those by word then if necessary to zero in on
something?  I know there is a previous and next page command with the
3 finger flick down and up commands, but can those be made to work
with a text passage that in itself spans multiple screens?  I don't
have an example available on the device at this moment, but know from
my experience that this worries me.  I do love the device and really
want it to become what I cary and use in practical ways.  It can
certainly do awesome things.  I am at the beginning of its learning
curve, but that is fine.  My Nokia n82 is awesome with talks and will
definitely be kept and used, but I would love if the IPhone can become
primary because of all it can do and the fact that it is accessibility
built right in!

Jim

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Re: Introduction from Jonathan Cohn

[James Mannion]

Hi,
I can comment on one of your questions.  You are not the only one to
have trouble with the find function in safari and I too at first
thought that it was limited to what is visible on the current screen
which is extremely limiting.  Through experimenting I found that on
some pages it is, such as the gmail html view and on other pages it
works as it should and is not limited to what is visible on the
current screen.  I do not know what makes the difference or how to get
around it other than the items chooser.  The problem in some cases
with using the items chooser is if you want the order that things
appear on the page to be preserved, such as messages in a thread in
gmail, and not put in to alphabetical order such as the items chooser
does.  I have found no way around the items chooser insisting on
alphabetical order.  If you don't care about the order in a situation
the items chooser is brilliant.  I think on screen / order in wich
they appear through the page from top to bottom would be far more
useful than alphabetical in many more cases than alphabetical is.  My
mac mini is new to me and I haven't gotten mail really setup just yet.
 I have checked it out some.  Is there a limiting issue with trying to
read messages in mail?

Jim

On 7/9/09, Barry Hadder  wrote:
>
> Well Howdy!
>
> I don't know what jump mode is. Could you expand on that?  Just curious.
>
> From what I can tell, the VO fin in Safari only looks at what is on the
> current screen.  I've been using the items list (VO-i) for that purpose very
> successfully.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jonathan C. Cohn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:57 PM
> Subject: Introduction from Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>>
>> Hello fellow Macintosh Users,
>>
>>
>> I live in Northern Virginia, and have been using Macintoshes since
>> the late 1980's. I have RP and have not needed full time voice until
>> after Tiger came out. My current Macintosh is a e-Mac 17" running the
>> latest Leopard and Safari.
>>
>> My goals over the next few weeks are:
>>
>> 1, Determine how jump mode works in VO.
>> 2. Find better ways to read large e-mails.
>> 3. Determine if it is just me that has issues with VO-F  (Find)
>> working with Safari 4 and  HTML e-mail. (perhaps fixed now that
>> Safari  is 4.02)
>> 4. Find efficiencies in adding members to address book.
>> 5. Get my Windows smart phone reloaded with the CodeFactory  software
>> and sync address book and calendar.
>> 6 Get automatic  move ofNFB  NewsLine newspapers from e-mail  to
>> Victor reader.
>>
>> JOn
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
> >
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Re: An IPhone question

[James Mannion]

Yeah thanks for trying to help, but I am aware of the jestures and
have read that file and read them other places.  Possibly you
misunderstood what I was looking for with my questions?

On 7/9/09, Simon Cavendish  wrote:
>
> Hello James,
>
> In a hurry, I paste underneath a summary of Voiceover gestures put
> together by Bill - a  member of the VIPhone list. It might help.
>
> See below my signature. Best wishes, Simon
>
> When VoiceOver is turned on, the standard touchscreen gestures have
> different results. These and additional gestures allow you to move
> around the screen and to control the individual elements when theyíre
> selected. VoiceOver gestures include using two and three fingers to
> tap or flick. For best results using two- and three-finger gestures,
> relax and let your fingers touch the screen naturally.
>
> You can use many different techniques to enter VoiceOver gestures. For
> example, you can enter a two-finger tap using two fingers from one
> hand, or one finger from each hand. You can also use your thumbs. Try
> different techniques to discover which works best for you.
>
> Following is a summary of some of the VoiceOver gestures.
> Navigate and Read
>
>  *
>
>Tap:  Speak item.
>  *
>
>Flick right or left:  Select next or previous item.
>  *
>
>Flick up or down:  Depends on Rotor Control setting. See Rotor
> Control.
>  *
>
>Two-finger tap:  Stop speaking current item.
>  *
>
>Two-finger flick up:  Read all from top of screen.
>  *
>
>Two-finger flick down:  Read all from current position.
>  *
>
>Three-finger flick up or down:  Scroll one page at a time.
>  *
>
>Three-finger flick right or left:  Go to next or previous page
> (such as Home screen, Stocks, Safari).
>  *
>
>Three-finger tap:  Speak the scroll status (which page or rows
> are visible).
>
> Select and Activate
>
>  *
>
>Double-tap:  Activate selected item.
>  *
>
>Touch an item with one finger, tap the screen with another
> finger (ìsplit tappingî):  Activate item.
>  *
>
>Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture:  Use a
> standard gesture.
>
>The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the
> subsequent gesture as a standard one. For example, you can double-tap
> and hold, then without lifting your finger, drag your finger to slide
> a switch.
>  *
>
>Two-finger double tap:  Answer or end a call. Play or pause
> (iPod, YouTube, Voice Memos, Photos). Take a picture (Camera). Start
> or pause recording (Camera, Voice Memos).
>  *
>
>Three-finger double tap:  Mute or unmute VoiceOver.
>  *
>
>Three-finger triple tap:  Turn the screen curtain on or off.
>
> NOTE: Single-finger flicking gestures must be done quickly to
> distinguish them from dragging gestures.
>
> On 10 Jul 2009, at 07:14, James Mannion wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>> I would post this on the VIPhones list, but I ahve not yet been
>> approved as a member and I see there is discussion of it here as well.
>> I just purchased one yesterday and am very hopeful for it to be able
>> to become my primary device as a phone and portable internet access
>> device without the limitations of most portable internet stuff.  Here
>> has been my biggest quandry so far though and I really wish I knew
>> this could be worked out.  When reading longer passages of text, such
>> as an email would be (which I don't yet have setup on mine) I have
>> noticed that Voiceover treats a text passage as one single element.
>> Therefore taping it reads it from beginning to end with the only
>> control over it that I know of being to stop it from reading and then
>> read either by word or by character.  Sometimes both of these options
>> are important and certainly need to be there, but is there any other
>> way to control the chunks by which you read and navigate that text
>> passage?  Sometimes the entire thing is too much to take in as one all
>> or nothing read and to get through by word to find a particular spot
>> could be impractical to get to something say in the second page
>> somewhere to review what it said?  Do you know if any trick works to
>> have it read say a text passage that is multiple screens in length by
>> screen at least?  I do not think there is a way by line although I
>> really, really hope they add it as it is extremely important to have
>> navigation options.  Is there any way to manipulate such a text that
>> you might receive in an 

Groups mode in web browsing

[James Mannion]

Hi,
I have a question that I admit I may be able to figure out with some
time and experimentation, but maybe some of you already know.  What
type of logic, interms of where things are located on a page, does
groups mode use to organize the page?  Meaning does it take some sort
of inconsistent approach where it might take stuff from the middle of
the page and put it first and stuff from the top and put it down
further and so on, which is what I think it does.  When it groups
similar items though, does it take for certain into account that these
similar items are located together at least?  Groups mode appears that
it may have some efficiency to it, but can one count on the context in
groups mode of things that need to be located together such as a form
element and its proper label that goes with it or might those things
be taken from inconsistent random places and placed together?  When I
say placed together I am not necessarily saying that they are placed
in a group, but just when you are navigating they are together in
terms of vo-right arrow moving you along the order they are placed in.

Jim

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Re: Article Slamming the iPhone

[James Mannion]

However, if you are composing a message and you go back into messagaes
and in to that message, your keyboard will still be there and the text
in the edit field you had put in before you left it by hitting the
home button will still be there.  My understanding is that in most
situations it can not "run" multiple processes actively at one time,
but this is  a limitation that is not specific to voiceover by any
means.  I know you may know that, but to point it out for sure.  It
could be a disadvantage in some situations and I would guess if there
is enough demand the next revision will become more powerful and
incorporate this. I am also a symbian user and right now I have the
IPhone and a Symbian phone.  I have used Symbian for a good number of
years.  Symbian can run multiple tasks at one time to an extent, but
remember it is a device limited in resources and they too can get
bogged down pretty quickly doing much of that where multiple processes
are actively doing something.

Jim


On 7/14/09, Josh de Lioncourt  wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> See my comments inline. :)
>
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Scott Bresnahan wrote:
>> I love the iPhone, but I have to disagree.  I
>> think both points have some merit.  The iPhone is
>> not for everyone..
>>
> Nor will you ever hear me sayt that any one device is for everyone. :)
>
>> 1.  Multitasking is a short coming.  It's like
>> the Finder compared to the Multi-Finder in the
>> Mac Plus days.  Some technologies, ssh and irc
>> come to mind, will not work well on the iPhone.
>> We use a custom irc server to do real time IT
>> troubleshooting across our applications, and I
>> cannot keep my irc session alive while I use
>> Safari.  This is not the case on other phone
>> platforms and is a valid argument.  You can't say
>> that remembering your preferences and place in an
>> application is the same as background processing.
>
> Apple has addressed this. This is not a problem with the iPHone, but
> rather with whatever app you are using for IRC. Push notifications,
> which developers can utilize to send notifications to the phone, can
> be used to solve your IRC issue. If your IRC client has not done this
> yet, it is not the iPhone's shortcoming, but rather the app's. While
> there are a very few situations when the combination of saving one's
> place and push notifications will not suffice, I can't readily think
> of one, and the vast, vast majority of problems can be rectified with
> these. Your IRC argument, in particular, is kind of like blaming the
> Mac because a third-party program for chatting doesn't play a sound
> when a new message comes in, for example.
>>
>> 2.  Although you may have memorized the keypad,
>> it's not reasonable to assume everyone will or
>> can.   Which has a faster learning curve?  The
>> touch screen layout or the standard keypad?  I
>> say this only because part of the usefulness of a
>> device lies not with the expert user, but with
>> the casual user.   Personally, most of my numbers
>> are direct dials, so I don't have the memory for
>> the keypad due to lack of practice and everyday
>> use, but when I do need it, I struggle and yes, a
>> tactile keypad would be easier..  That said, I am
>> surviving.
>
> I don't hardly use the keypad at all, but as it is identical to a
> tactile keypad in layout, I don't think it is as difficult as you seem
> to think. HOwever, as I said previously, I'll never say that any
> device is perfect for everyone. All users have different abilities and
> limitations, so on that point we're in agreement. But I think the
> keypad thing is not as big a deal as many have said.
>>
>> Finally, one more con on the iPhone is the
>> battery.  I can imagine several use cases where a
>> spare battery that's not an add on power pack
>> would be required for some users.  The iPhone is
>> designed for a certain work flow.  certain
>> patterns it is not good for.  I understood these
>> before I bought it, but don't dismiss them as the
>> Almighty iPhone is God, cause it's not.
>
> While I don't doubt there are some people who own extra cell phone
> batteries, in all my life, of allt he people I have ever known,
> through all the various cell phone models all those people have ever
> owned, I have never met a single, solitary soul who had an extra
> battery, unless there previous one had died and they needed to replace
> it...and even then, they usually opted for a new phone.
>
> JMHO. :)
>
>
> >
>

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Re: IPhone accessibility

[James Mannion]

For anyone it may help, I want to share my experience on the typing
aspect of the IPhone which have gotten really good over a short time.
At first you have to trust what dozens of others have said although it
won't seem like your experience at the time.  Hang in there though
because it gets really easy to do and I am talking about the typeing
too!  My fingers just really amazingly remember where the letters are
and can pretty much strike the one I want just from muscle memory with
about 95% accuracy I would guess.  That is after roughly about 7 hours
of any real typing on it.  If you do not land on the right one, it
does help a lot if you know the qwerty keyboard really well and what
is on what row.  Because if what you hear happens to be a row down or
up, just move and then over.  You won't be far off though after not
much time of practice when you do miss it by any.  For other things
you really remember where they are too.

Jim


On 7/18/09, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>
> Although it isn't the same as trying it for a week, it is my understanding
> you have 30 days to cancel the contract and return the iPhone.  At least
> that's what I was told when I asked at an Apple store.
>
> I've used one for about an hour in two separate sessions, once in a store
> and once using a friend's phone.  Within that time basic navigation became
> quite easy. I actually had that down in the first session.
>
> I borrowed a friend's phone to try typing again.  I got faster in those 30
> minutes but at least to me it will take a bit of practice to get as fast as
> I amon my Windows Mobile phone.  That's in no way a criticism of the iPhone.
> I'm interested enough to probably go do the 30 day deal.  The touch aspects
> of the phone access are compelling to me, assuming the typing can become
> equivalent.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Simon Fogarty [mailto:si...@blinky-net.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:12 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility
>
>
> Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I could
> use one for a week before actually purchasing it
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility
>
>
> Hello Simon,
>
> I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my
> iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather,
> surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using
> either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send
> text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes,
> and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the
> iPhone in both French and English.
>
> I hope this reassures you a bit.
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> Cheers,
>
> Anne
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Re: auto text on i phone

[James Mannion]

Yes you do actually turn it off or also turn it off from the settings
page on the main screen.  I can't remember the path to get to it, but
I did turn it off there and not in ITunes.  My opinion was it got in
the way when learning, although I think I may turn it back on later.

Jim


On 7/19/09, william lomas  wrote:
>
> ah ok can he not turn it off from the universal access pane on the
> phone itself?
>
> On 19 Jul 2009, at 16:24, Marie Howarth wrote:
>
>>
>> yes, in itunes uncheck the speak auto text in universal access.
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:21 PM, william lomas wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> hi all, can the auto text on an i phone when typing 
>>> text be
>>> disabled?
>>> asking on behalf of a friend who has the IPhone 3gS
>>>
>>>

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Re: safari 4.0.2 seems to get stuck

[James Mannion]

I am experiencing this too, but Alex's response was extremely useful
and at least just makes it more of an annoyance since the work around
is to stop interacting with the toolbar which it puts you in
interacting with for some reason and then go to the html content.  It
is definitely a bug, but as much as I hate to say it, with safari's
list of problems we might want to have priority rankings on what we
hope they fix sooner than later assuming they fix them.

On 7/22/09, Michael Busboom  wrote:
>
> I am experiencing similar issues and eagerly await others' input on this
> subject.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John J Herzog
> Sent: Monday, 20 July, 2009 05:29
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: safari 4.0.2 seems to get stuck
>
>
> Hi listers,
> Do any of you have this problem? I recently downloaded safari 4.0.2 on
> my mac running Leopard. Since the update,  voiceover no longer moves
> to the HTML content of many pages even when they're done loading.
> Worse yet is that sometimes, I do not see the area that says HTML
> content after some sites are done loading. Pages may load, but
> voiceover shows me the buttons at the top of the screen, and the
> google search box at the bottom. The only way I can get to the content
> of pages is to hit tab through all the buttons until I reach the first
> link. After this, voiceover seems to allow me to navigate the page as
> normal.
> Did something go wrong during my update, or are others experiencing
> these issues?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
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Question about downloading audio files linked from web pages in safari

[James Mannion]

Hi,
Is there a way to configure things so that when you click on a link on
a page such as blindcooltech.com or serotalk.com as examples that have
links that are http://www and have an mp3 file at the end of the link
so that it will download the mp3 instead of just launching into
quicktime or whatever it is that just streams and plays it at that
point?  Some of them you can do the control options shift m and pick
the download file from the menu and that is fine, but sometimes when
you do that it does not give you that specific of an option.  To
explain what I am talking about when I go to exactly those same links
on the windows side it says do you want to open or save this file.
Now I want to prefer to use the mac more and more til I don't care
about the PC practically, but I really wonder if I can configure it to
give me that option with those links to download the file without
having to hope there is and go to some other page such as the podcast
page just to do it.  A little thing, but it is really pissing me off
actually when it is an issue.  Ok, of course I keep it in perspective,
but you know it is annoying.  Is it something in quicktime or ITunes
or safari that you configure differently if it is possible?  I looked
through the options in safari and didn't find anything.  I haven't
looked yet through ITunes honestly, but thought maybe somebody here
already "invented the wheel" and knows the simple answer.

Thanks,
Jim

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Re: tables on websites

[James Mannion]

I thought it might be useful to mention that if you are on a site and
you open up the voiceover utility and then go to the web settings, if
you switch modes it will switch the mode on the web site you are
currently on when you switch back to the safari window.  For now that
is the best for a "switch" to switch between them, but it is not that
bad as a work around for that.  If you know you might be switching
back and forth, just keep your voiceover window open so you can flip
over to it quickly and switch that check box.  One thing I do wonder
though if anyone knows anything I didn't catch on to, I was on a site
the other day and had groups mode on and was trying to read an article
listed under a heading.  Because groups mode was on and there were
things in other columns going down the page, the other columns broke
up the article when trying to read through it.  I guessed that was
just a site where groups mode didn't work out so well.  Then I see
someone here though that says they always have groups mode on and I
have heard others that use it pretty much exclusively.  Is there a
good way of handeling such situations in groups mode?

Jim


On 7/24/09, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>
> Voice over does not have a table navigation mode as the windows screen
> readers do, so you would simply navigate it item by item. Usually this
> works fine.
> On Jul 24, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just went to a banking site with Safari that presents information in
>> tables, as I know from visiting the site using Firefox in Windows.
>> There is no indication of these tables with VoiceOver, however, so I
>> can't interact with them as I do the messages table in Mail, where I
>> can move up and down a column. Is there any way to navigate such
>> tables with Safari other than one cell at a time?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>> >
>
>
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Re: Question about downloading audio files linked from web pages in safari

[James Mannion]

Thank you all for all the answers you gave me to this.  I find that
the shift-control-options m to bring up that menu only sometimes
works.  On something like on the front age of serotalk.com for example
it does not give you the appropriate option in that menu.  That was
what made me realize it wasn't a usable anser for all cases and I
don't know about most or not.  Armed with these suggestions though
that issue should no longer be a problem.

Jim


On 7/24/09, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>
> Hi, you can do this quite easily. Press control option shift m on the
> link, and choose download linked file from the menu.
> On Jul 23, 2009, at 8:15 PM, James Mannion wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>> Is there a way to configure things so that when you click on a link on
>> a page such as blindcooltech.com or serotalk.com as examples that have
>> links that are http://www and have an mp3 file at the end of the link
>> so that it will download the mp3 instead of just launching into
>> quicktime or whatever it is that just streams and plays it at that
>> point?  Some of them you can do the control options shift m and pick
>> the download file from the menu and that is fine, but sometimes when
>> you do that it does not give you that specific of an option.  To
>> explain what I am talking about when I go to exactly those same links
>> on the windows side it says do you want to open or save this file.
>> Now I want to prefer to use the mac more and more til I don't care
>> about the PC practically, but I really wonder if I can configure it to
>> give me that option with those links to download the file without
>> having to hope there is and go to some other page such as the podcast
>> page just to do it.  A little thing, but it is really pissing me off
>> actually when it is an issue.  Ok, of course I keep it in perspective,
>> but you know it is annoying.  Is it something in quicktime or ITunes
>> or safari that you configure differently if it is possible?  I looked
>> through the options in safari and didn't find anything.  I haven't
>> looked yet through ITunes honestly, but thought maybe somebody here
>> already "invented the wheel" and knows the simple answer.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>>
>> >
>
>
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Re: iphone cal ending

[James Mannion]

Another option, not necessarily better or worse, but works though is
that the end call button can be activated by double tapping even with
one finger anywhere along the bottom of the screen.  Actually that
option may not be as good as the others because you have to be in the
right area for that to work for sure.  It's like the unlock though in
that anywhere the entire way across works.

Jim


On 7/26/09, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Thanks for that  I'll give both ideas  arty.
>
>
>
>
>
>  I think the double tap will be the more workable one.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickneazer
> Sent: Sunday, 26 July 2009 12:52 p.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iphone cal ending
>
>
>
> Hello Simon and all:
>
> There are a few ways to end a call.
>
> 1. Double tap the screen with two fingers similar to the way you would
> double tap the phone when starting or stopping a song in itunes. remember
> when double tapping the phone to keep your fingers apart a little or else
> the phone might think you have one really large finger. No, I am not kidding
> about that last point
>
> 2. When the call is over you can press the lock screen button on the top of
> the phone. This does lock the screen and you will have to unlock it again to
> use the features of the phone.
>
> Hopefully this information is of some use to you. Let us know.
>
> On Jul 25, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi folks.
>
> Can someone please tell me how, while using VO on my iphone, ow do I turn
> off a call?
>
> I can make one not a probl;em but I'm having tourble ending the  call when
> I want.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Take good care and I wish you enough.
>
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> Love
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>
> Me
>
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Manipulating which playlists files are in in ITunes on the mac

[James Mannion]

Hi,
I have some questions about how to copy or move files to different
playlists in ITunes on the mac.  My current way after downloading them
from other sources other sources than the ITunes store of course is to
use command o to bring in the file.  Then it is in the music folder.
When I use the vo-shift-m key to bring up the context menu on the file
it gives me the option of show in playlists and the only option is
recently added.  Copy and paste also do not appear to give you any
means of moving anything around.  Is it that you can only have it go
to recently added or any that you actually created?  In my case they
are often mp3 files from sources such as serotalk, blindcooltalk, etc
and I wanted to try to move them to something like podcasts or maybe
audio books although I did not even see that play list on the ITunes
on the Mac.  I see it on the IPhone.  That is another question, how
does the audiobooks playlist get created?  I am guessing that maybe
you can't move anything manually into podcasts, but I still wondered
how you can move it to any playlist you may want to.  Is it limited to
only ones you created yourself?  Secondly, one of my reasons for
wanting to do htis is that I thought in one of those playlists it
might give me better options to resume where I left off playing the
file if it thought it was an audiobook or podcast file.  Would this be
true at all?  What ability do we have to resume where we left off
other than to have ITunes remain open and not to have rebooted the
computer in between?\

Jim

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Re: prob,e with mobiledevicehelper when connecting iphone 3gs

[James Mannion]

I was just having that problem too.  Because I am new to the mac I
don't relaly have any real contacts saved in my mac.  I say that
because I had some in there to test synchronizing.  After I took those
out and synchronize it has not given me that message and problem.  I
have not tried again trying to include synchronizing contacts.  I also
don't really know yet what caused it.  When it was happening the thing
would not synchronize.  It also could have had something to do with
the synchronizing of a mail account.  Because after removing the
contacts it popped up a dialog on the next attempt asking of mobile me
could use information to do something with my mail account.  I said no
and it did not import the mail account to the IPhone correctly or
completely.  I don't know exactly the issue, but thought I would throw
all this out there.  Someone on this list that really knows the ins
and outs may know something.

Jim


On 7/27/09, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am pretty new at using the mac but i don't think this is something
> to do with my ignorance.
>
> Whenever i connect the iphone3gs i just baught yesterday, itunes comes
> up and keeps popping up the message that mobiledevicehelper has
> stopped unexpectedly. ANd it keeps popping up every 2 minutes until it
> totally crashes the system.
>
> I have the latest itunes and leopard with all the updates on my brand
> new macbook pro. I don't understand where this comes from, can anyone
> light my path?
>
> >
>

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Re: Initial Experience

[James Mannion]

If you turned on quicknav, then you have snow leopard.  That is a new
feature.  It was not in leopard.

Jim


On 9/8/09, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>
> I powered up my Mac and did some experimenting.  Lots of trial and error,
> but overall, the system seems very responsive.  I thought I was going to
> have to install Snow Leopard, but I don't seem to have a Snow Leopard DVD.
> So I tried turning Quick Nav on and received a message that Quick Nav was
> on.  I'm assuming that in fact, Snow Leopard was pre-installed?  I'm
> certainly not unhappy if that's the case, just want to be certain this is
> the case.  I did try bringing up the VO utilities menu with VO F8, but it
> didn't launch.  Any ideas on that one?  Also, I noticed that Command F5
> started VoiceOver on my MacBook Pro, but the FN key wasn't required along
> with Command F5.  I don't recall changing anything related to System
> Preferences regarding the behavior of the Function keys, but I certainly
> could have without realizing it.  I went through the setup assistant and
> have started reviewing the Quick Start VoiceOver tutorial.  I'm off to a
> slow but happy and steady beginning!
>
> Les
>
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Re: Dragon! :)

[James Mannion]

I have been using dragon dictate on the iphone for quite some time
now. I do most of my lengthy "typing" with it. You have to work around
it's transcription limitations though. I don't agree with that it
won't let you say things it decides that you should not. It will not
let you use a curse word or any slang that Dragon has decided is not
appropriate or whatever they call it. I really don't agree with that.
I think at least there should be a setting. Sometimes it will put the
word in replacing a letter with a *. Another limitation of
transcription is that it will not let you say certain things and will
instead come back with a completely blank transcription. Try saying
"there is not enough space". It will come back with a blank
transcription result. Something about the word space in there. And
when you do try to use the "space bar" command it transcribes it
instead of executing it. When you try to put spaces around a word you
want to spell out for it, it will not work. It will put all of the
letters in caps and will not properly put spaces around it. All that
said, it often works for the usual text message or email and often
works quite well. In IOS 5 it is suppose to be integrated. There is to
be a microphone button beside edit fields that will bring up dragon
dictate in some way that allows it to take your input. Currently you
can get around voiceover getting in the way by first touching the
dictate button, double 3 finger tap and IPhone will say voiceover off.
Then just one finger double tap anywhere and it will activate the
dictate button because you have placed focus there two steps ago in
these instructions. It helps to activate the dragon setting that
automatically recognizes when you have stopped talking. After it does
that, then double 3 finger tap to turn voiceover back on and find the
keyboard button at the bottom of the screen. Double tapping the
keyboard button will bring up the result in the editer of dragon where
voiceover will be able to read it. To most efficiently edit, put the
rotor on words and swipe up or down. It usually works best to swipe, I
think down, to go forward through the text and when you pass over the
word you want to change you will be placed after it. Then delete the
word and retype it. Alternatively, if you want to get to the word and
then edit it, change the rotor setting with your fingers down on the
keyboard portion of the screen and this will leave the cursor position
in the text where you left it. Touching in the edit field will put it
where in the text you put your finger. This can be an advantage that
it does move that way too and does not insist on reading the entire
edit area every time you touch it. That drives me crazy when some edit
fields do that.  This way you can at times when you want to move
through larger portions of the text to approximately where you want to
be and then swipe up or down to zero in on what you want exactly.

On 10/9/11, LaMcAs  wrote:
> Because he asked another question that had nothing to do with dragon
>
>
>
> Larry & Flax GD (Guide Dog)
>
> & Elliot RGD (Retired Guide Dog)
>
> London, UK
>
>
>
> Multiple Installer   http://ninite.com
>
> Flash Updater   http://updateflash.org/
>
> Impartial info on Android & IOS http://www.blindtechsupport.net/
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon
> Sent: 09 October 2011 19:22
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dragon! :)
>
>
>
> OK!
>
> So what's the problem with Dragon!
>
> Why will people not want to comment!
>
> Colin
>
>
>
> On 9 Oct 2011, at 18:26, LaMcAs wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Maurice start a new thread else others will delete the thread as they
> don't wish to comment on Dragon.
>
>
>
> Larry & Flax GD (Guide Dog)
>
> & Elliot RGD (Retired Guide Dog)
>
> London, UK
>
>
>
> Multiple Installer http://ninite.com 
>
> Flash Updater http://updateflash.org/
>
> Impartial info on Android & IOS http://www.blindtechsupport.net/
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maurice Mines
> Sent: 09 October 2011 17:58
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dragon! :)
>
>
>
> Hello everybody, IAM using DragonDictate to actually dictate my response, I
> a am not blind and have other physical disabilities, but I do have a written
> expression for. That's the very reason why I do use DragonDictate for the
> Mac, the current version is 2.5, and it seems to work for the most part, the
> things that I would encourage if you have these tools along with the actual
> software would be helpful, if your braille reader and have access to a good
> braille display I would certainly use that while proofing the dictation. I
> think that also reading through everything before you commit what you're
> doing to either the word processor, or in e-mail. Helps to certainly also be
> careful of words 

Re: Issue about iOS5 at iPhone4

[James Mannion]

I am also disappointed that they had to go and take that out. Why
couldn't they leave well enough alone? A way around it is to go into
reply and then select forward to get the message you want to copy into
an edit field and then you can select all on that editable field. That
is not IMO an excuse for the select all to not be there like it use to
be on the read field, but it is a work around.

On 10/20/11, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
> You could also get a bluetooth keyboard or practice on the regular keyboard,
> you can get pretty fast once you get used to it.
> On Oct 19, 2011, at 6:59 PM, João de Sousa e Silva wrote:
>
>> It is done. Hope they will care about.
>>
>>
>>
>> Em 19-10-2011 21:32, Alex Hall escreveu:
>>>
>>> Please email accessibil...@apple.com about this. They are usually good
>>> about fixing bugs in future releases, but they can't fix what they
>>> don't know about.
>>>
>>> On 10/19/11, João de Sousa e Silva  wrote:
 Thanks, but that is terrible! Since texting using soft keyboard is
 something hard and slow I used to write SMSs at my computer, send them
 to my own mail and copy the text to messages application. Now I am
 simply not sending SMSs through this phone.

 Hope that they put it back!



 Em 19-10-2011 20:38, Alex Hall escreveu:
> I never knew this was possible, but I can confirm that it is not
> present in iOS5. I just see "copy" and "define", no "select all".
>
> On 10/19/11, João de Sousa e Silva  wrote:
>> Yes, when viewing a mail. I use to copy the text to other application.
>>
>>
>>
>> Em 19-10-2011 17:55, Alex Hall escreveu:
>>> Do you mean when viewing a mail message or writing one?
>>>
>>> On 10/19/11, João de Sousa e Silva   wrote:
 Since I have updated to iOS5, I am no longer able to select all text
 in
 mail. When I double tap with and hold the finger, I no longer have
 the
 "Select all" option at the Copy Paste menu. I use to use that
 feature
 very often. I feel me frustrated about.

 Is this an exclusive problem or more of you have notice that change?

 Cheers,

 João

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Re: iPhone update

[James Mannion]

I did an update directly to the phone with an IPhone 4 and a 4s and
they both went fine with voiceover on. I suspect in your case it was
an error just like what has and will likely still happen in some cases
when doing it on ITunes. Likely what this tells us is that the over
the air update process has not eliminated the random errors that have
always occurred in updating. The only thing I noticed in both cases
was on the screen where you have to activate the I Agree button, when
that screen first came up, Voiceover did not see anything on the
screen for a few seconds during which time it acted like there was
nothing available or it couldn't read it. I think it also went silent
for a few seconds. Worried me the first time.

On 11/12/11, Scott Howell  wrote:
> I have no idea what happen in your case, but I updated two iPhones (4S), an
> iPad 2, and two first generation iPads with no issues. I updated my iPhone
> and my sighted wife's iPHone using VoiceOver and the iPad 2, and first gen
> iPad. THe second first gen iPad was done without VoiceOver. In every case
> the entire process went without a hitch.
> So, I anticipate that most users will not have a problem.
>
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>
>> Hi guys.
>> I did an update to my iPhone last night directly to the iPhone. I had a
>> problem I need to tell you guys about, and I need to contact Apple about
>> this also. My sighted husband had already gotten his update to work, so I
>> started mine. My phone was happy to download the program, no problem. But
>> when it came time to install it, I got an error. My husband had the idea
>> to turn VoiceOver off. That worked.
>>
>> However, you can't just turn VoiceO ver off and it goes on its merry way.
>> He had to go to settings and then start things again. This means that
>> those of us with no vision can't do our own update. directly to the
>> iPhone. I was concerned that the new update would kill VoiceOver because
>> of that, but it came back ok. So, those of you with no vision and no
>> sighted friends around at the time you want to do your update might want
>> to use iTunes instead.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
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Re: a better way to get audio books onto the IPod?

[James Mannion]

I wonder what is causing problems wit deleting books in the audible
app? It sounds like you only have one book in there when you try to
delete it, or do you have a lot of them? I wonder if deleting has
become a probem in the latest version? I have deleted books out of
previous versions just fine.

On 1/3/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Hmm interesting. I wonder if yu can sourt down and up in those tables. tha
> tmight be easier. I don't do audio books only epub books. lol!
>
> S
> On Jan 3, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>
>> Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. When you attach an IPod to the Mac,
>> you get that bunch of tabs, summary, music, books etc. If I select the
>> books tab, I then have two tables, one of which has my Ibooks in it, the
>> other of which has audible books in it. There is no list view possible in
>> this set up, so far as I know. And within this table of audible books,
>> there are the books, and each of them is seen as a group which must be
>> interacted with if you, say, want to check the check box to synch that
>> particular book. If there is a way to change that in to a list view with
>> check boxes and names of books rather than a table, and if there is a way
>> to, for instance, enter the first letter or two of the title, to get to
>> the area in the list where that title is located, I'd love to know it. But
>> I haven't found any way to get rid of this table. It isn't like the
>> regular Itunes choices that let you select list view. At least, that
>> doesn't work for me. Those buttons for text list view etc are dimmed when
>> the IPod is attached. And as noted, the search box that says "search
>> books" when the IPod is attached and the books tab is selected, does not
>> have an affect on the audio books table. Only IBooks show up.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
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Re: VLC app removed from App Store

[James Mannion]

It makes one not want to purchase a Nokia product just because they,
or in this case employees clearly representing them in their actions,
choose to act like such assholes. When you wage war against others in
your same market, it is because you are not willing to make your
product sell itself. If your competitions is beating you, it is
because your product has not raised the bar above it. So screw him and
Nokia.

On 1/8/11, Chris Snyder  wrote:
> Well, it wasn't Apple's fault, and I wrote to this Remi fellow and politely
> expressed my displeasure with his actions. I also pointed out that there is
> no way I would ever buy a Nokia phone because I would then have to pay a
> $200 plus blind tax for extra software to make the phone only partially
> accessible. I suggested that he should put his coding skills to use and
> write a screen reading program to be integrated into the Nokia product line.
> We'll see if he bothers to respond.
>
> Friendly,
> Chris
>
> On Jan 8, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>
>> I thought it would happen as well, but surely you didn't think it
>> would happen because of the reasoning in the article? I didn't for
>> one.
>>
>> On 08/01/2011, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> and so it begins...
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>
 I knew this would happen eventally. Read more:

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Re: garmin GPS iphone app

[James Mannion]

Wow, that is great to hear that it does pass the accessibility test at
least. I hope they will see fit to add spoken instructions while in a
walking route. Simply beeping to tell you when to turn seems generally
not user friendly all the way around and if they can have it speak
instructions for a driving route already anyway, what is the point of
leaving it out and substituting a beep for it instead? I actually
thought I remembered you reporting that app to be inaccessible before,
but since you say it is the first version I guess I am confusing it
with something else. Your testing and reporting and all the help you
contribute with podcasts and reporting and all are much appreciated.

On 1/9/11, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> Hi everyone, well I decided to try the Garmin GPS App, besides a couple
> buttons that have strange labels, it's very accessible, it's the first
> version, there are some improvements I hope they will make. First, this app
> does not store its maps on the device, it downloads them as needed, this
> means that you could have problems if you end up in an area with no
> coverage, I think most areas are covered these days though. One feature I
> really hope will be added is to have spoken instructions when in walk mode,
> currently it just beeps to indicate when you need to turn, but spoken
> instructions are only provided for driving roots. I emailed them asking for
> this feature in an update.
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Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

[James Mannion]

The link worked fine for me as well. I hope the IPhone does well on
Verizon and that Verizon makes more of an atempt to be customer
oriented than AT&T ever has. AT&T sees no reason to make their network
what it should be if they can have a customer based trapped and can
screw them instead of making them happy. Maybe now they will face that
glorious reality that if you treat customers like shit you don't have
them.

On 1/10/11, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The link works just fine for me.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
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> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:46 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>
>> Um? not the response I expected but I'll take a look and repost. Thanks
>> for letting me know.
>>
>> S
>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:
>>
>>> bad link
>>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>
 Will this hurt or hinder apple, at&t or both? read more:

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Re: Verizon to Drop Unlimited iPhone Data Plans as Soon as This Summer

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I really think it is because mobile networks are not able yet to
handel people putting unlimited demands for data access on them. Any
network has its upper limits and mobile networks are still less able
to handel demand than land line networks. If they put limits that
serve a purpose, but are not over limiting, that keeps people from
constantly doing things like streaming the most data intensive video
stuff and whatever else they can fid with no concern of any
consequences to themselves, bringing down the entire network so nobody
can do anything and then everybody is left unhappy. People will be a
little more reasonable with what they do if there is a cost to them.
Having said that, AT&T's netwrk can not even handel the limited use in
some areas including the city where I live. During the day I can not
even pull up a small web page on AT&T's 3g network. It simply times
out. I can not stream pandora, I can barely use the weather app to
pull its small amount of data. Since my contract is almost up, I have
signed on with Verizon and I can tell you that right now their network
actually works in my area. My understanding is that this exact
situation is not uncommon at all. Maybe Verizon will manage their
resources and growth in a way that does not create another AT&T.

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> what's the theory behind VZ droping its unlimited data plan? read more:
>
> http://bit.ly/e7omui
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Re: Verizon to Drop Unlimited iPhone Data Plans as Soon as This Summer

[James Mannion]

You bring up some goodpoints. If you were referring to me making it
cut and dry and advising to try both, I have tried both side by side
where I live. My comments were based on that experience as well as
what I have heard to be generally true right now. It definitely does
depend on the area and the results might even flip flop as time goes
by.

On 3/2/11, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Actually, lets discuss this a little there are some interesting points here.
>
> The largest limiter is spectrum.  Each tower only has so much bandwidth
> (literal bandwidth) that it can use.  This means you can only push so many
> megabits over all for everyone on a given facility.  The more spectrum you
> have the more send and receive sessions you can have in parallel but the key
> thing to remembr it's a shared resource.  As these companies use new
> technologies you also notice they add more spectrum in different bands.  The
> newer technologies have more bands and use spectrum differently as well as
> more frequency space but the end result is more bandwidth and more efficient
> use of the available room.  So the more pipe that's available, the more
> spectrum and better the technology you can use more devices in the same
> allocated resource level so you can give users more slices to use or drop
> costs, any combination of moves based on the larger facility.
>
> As for ATT and Verizon in the states, try them both.  Don't just assume that
> ATT sucks and VZ does not.  I did this and was proven quite wrong.  ATT is 2
> - 3 times faster and has some more advanced calling features do to the
> different technologies used.  VZ is good no doubt but has problems as well
> and in the end it depends on the specific geography you will be using your
> device.  I would definitely try both side by side though, it's not as cut
> and dry as you make it.
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Tyler wood wrote:
>
>> Rogers and at&t share the same towers, or at least rogers in Canada bought
>> them from the US.
>>
>> No wonder signal, overall network speed suck here, though I'm not getting
>> any dropped calls.
>>
>> I must say though, I can't wait to move to the us and go on vz. From what
>> my partner tells me (he has the droid x), vz has quite a good network.
>>
>> On 2011-03-01, at 8:29 PM, James Mannion wrote:
>>
>>> I really think it is because mobile networks are not able yet to
>>> handel people putting unlimited demands for data access on them. Any
>>> network has its upper limits and mobile networks are still less able
>>> to handel demand than land line networks. If they put limits that
>>> serve a purpose, but are not over limiting, that keeps people from
>>> constantly doing things like streaming the most data intensive video
>>> stuff and whatever else they can fid with no concern of any
>>> consequences to themselves, bringing down the entire network so nobody
>>> can do anything and then everybody is left unhappy. People will be a
>>> little more reasonable with what they do if there is a cost to them.
>>> Having said that, AT&T's netwrk can not even handel the limited use in
>>> some areas including the city where I live. During the day I can not
>>> even pull up a small web page on AT&T's 3g network. It simply times
>>> out. I can not stream pandora, I can barely use the weather app to
>>> pull its small amount of data. Since my contract is almost up, I have
>>> signed on with Verizon and I can tell you that right now their network
>>> actually works in my area. My understanding is that this exact
>>> situation is not uncommon at all. Maybe Verizon will manage their
>>> resources and growth in a way that does not create another AT&T.
>>>
>>> On 3/1/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>>> what's the theory behind VZ droping its unlimited data plan? read more:
>>>>
>>>> http://bit.ly/e7omui
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Re: O M G, it's beautiful

[James Mannion]

I think the IPad 2 is probably faster due in part to the faster
processor than in the IPhone 4 and my guess is we will see that
processor in the IPhone 5??

On 3/12/11, Cheree  wrote:
> Cheree Heppe here:
>
> If it were me, I'd get the IPad 2 plus the 15 inch MacBook pro.  Both are
> portable and you get all that power with none of the bulk.
>
>
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 12/03/2011, at 15:18, ShamelessFanGirl 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> Thanks for your encouraging responses, and for more-or-less confirming
>> what I was already intending to do. I'll have an opportunity to visit my
>> local Apple store within the next few weeks, and sadly, those folks all
>> know who I am, but god it's such a fabulous way to spend an afternoon. I'm
>> waiting for the shortage madnesses to die down, as there isn't a store
>> within a reasonable distance from here where they're even in stock at the
>> moment. I'm considering the iPad 2, but cannot decide whether I want a
>> maxed out 15 inch MBP, or the 27 inch iMac. Thoughts from those of you who
>> are old hats? Part of what excites me about Apple is the fun I have
>> learning my way around a new device/system.
>>
>> Have a good evening
>>
>>
>>
>> Twitter: @IndigoCellist
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Tyler wood  wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm, this is just a suggestion, but what about best buy?
>>>
>>> I know, I know. That probably sounds bad - though my partner was able to
>>> buy a mac at a place called microcenter in the US for $100 cheapter than
>>> in the apple store.
>>>
>>> The apple store couldn't match him when he took the flyer there, but best
>>> buy could, and saved him driving an hour to microcenter.
>>>
>>> Just a thought or two - shop around. It might help.
>>> Tyler
>>> On 2011-03-12, at 1:13 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
>>>
 Hey there Shameless:
 Consider yourself pushed (ok encouraged to be nice about it.:)

 I have a one, and Cheree's post made me want another. Now that's
 disgusting!:)

 As for Brandt, I'd say it's well worth finding someone to go the extra
 kilometer to play in an apple store.  I almost have a chair in ours with
 my name on it.  :)

 Take care

 Carolyn
 On Mar 12, 2011, at 10:44 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Go for it!
> You can always find reasons not to do something. If you can affoard it
> without going in to debt, then get it. Apple has financing available
> too.
> On Mar 12, 2011, at 6:19 AM, ShamelessFanGirl wrote:
>
>> I've been ogling these darlings for a while now. Told myself I
>> couldn't justify the expense, thought I might wait for their capacity
>> to expand, etc etc, but now, even that is taking a backseat to my
>> simply wanting it for productivity. I use my iPhone for nearly
>> everything, and it's now my only iDevice, after having sold my 3rd Gen
>> touch last year, so what to you all think? Would you go for it?
>> Reasons to, or to not? I'm really more interested in where the iPad
>> will fit into your computing lives as a whole than anything. That, and
>> looking for that last small push off the fence. :D
>>
>>
>>
>> Twitter: @IndigoCellist
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2011, at 7:06 AM, "brandt" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No trains I'd feel safe on and no apple fans I know of in my small
>>> South African backwater town.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>>
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>>>
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>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Cheree
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: O M G, it's beautiful
>>>
>>> Cheree Heppe here:
>>>
>>> Eeks.  That's a bit of a distance.
>>>
>>> No trains, buses?  Or a sighted I-device fanatic who will drive
>>> there?
>>> If you thought it safe, you could advertise for a driver on
>>> craigslist.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Cheree Heppe
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 12/03/2011, at 0:06, "brandt"  wrote:
>>>
 Not when the nearest apple store is 250 kilometers (about 155 miles)
 away.

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Re: apple tracking yyou?

[James Mannion]

Yes, but if they are collecting the information, obviously they have
intentions for it. They may be implementing their intent in steps.
This honestly really ticks me off. Apple needs to be slammed with a
law suit and lose big if they are doing this secretly. Think about it.
Collecting this information to a file and not being forth coming about
doing it or why? Do you really think they are collecting it just for
you to have such a file? If there were such a silly reason, why not
tell you about it? It is pretty black and white, if it is being
collect into the file, that file is being collected by someone or they
have the intention of doing so in the future. Is there any information
if it is being done when location services is not turned on? Does it
override that location services setting of being off to collect it
anyway? My guess is that it does, but I would not know for sure. Of
course companies want you to believe what they are doing is harmless.
A dishonest hand never plans to be obvious. It's called deception.

On 4/22/11, Aman Singer  wrote:
> Hi, Karen and all.
> This has been extensively discussed on the iPhone lists. Here is a
> message I sent to those lists with some methods to disable the saving
> of the information. You may want to note a few things. First, there
> is, as yet, no evidence that this file ever leavves the phone or
> computer where it's stored. That doesn't mean it isn't being sent out,
> but it does mean that people have looked and haven't found it being
> sent out yet. Secondly, the file is stored on both the phone and any
> computer which the phone has been backed up to. Therefore, encrypting
> backups on the computer might be worthwhile to avoid anyone with
> access to the computer being able to obtain the location information.
> As it stands, and without evidence that the file is actually leaving
> the phone/PC, this is a moderate security issue, in my view, rather
> than a large one, or a large privacy breach.
> HTH.
> Aman
>
>
> Hi, all.
>        First, as to a quick and dirty solution to this particular problem,
> there are two. Both require the phone to be jailbroken. The first may
> be found at
> http://technicalmusings.blogspot.com/2011/04/ios-consolidateddb-workaround-for.html
> and is as follows
> Looks like Apple is tracking iOS devices an recording that info in clear
> text:
> http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/04/apple-location-tracking.html
>
> Here's a way to ensure this data is not recorded:
>
> You must have a hacked iOS device, and either Mobile Terminal or an
> SSH login.  You must also know the root password.  You first
> remove/move this file,
> and recreate it as a symbolic link to /dev/null like:
>
> su
> cd /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreLocation.framework/Support
> rm consolidated.db
> ln -s /dev/null consolidated.db
>
> Anything written to this 'file' is sent to /dev/null, so it is not
> saved on the file system.  I've done this on a hacked device, and
> Location Services
> continue to work.
>
>        There is also a program which removes the file at intervals
> http://www.ijailbreak.com/cydia/untrackerd-tweak-stop-your-iphoneipad-from-tracking-your-location/
> Thanks to Rose Morales, @chicksdigmacs on Twitter, for the alert. I am
> not sure about the accessibility of the program, if Rose or anyone
> else would care to comment, I would be grateful. I cannot find any
> source code for this program, so it's obvious that one should use at
> one's own risk. The first method above does not, to my knowledge,
> produce any insecurities, the commands given are normal. I am not
> familiar enough with links/symlinks on iOS, however, to be sure that this
> first method works properly without side-effects. This issue hasn't
> been out there long enough to judge. At the very least, I suspect that
> restoring an older backup would stop this method from working. Note
> that I am not sure what anyone without a jailbroken iPhone can do
> about this issue, I have seen no solution for non jailbroken phones.
> Note, also, that this file can be accessed from iPhone backups on the
> computer, so those should be encrypted or deleted. It can be accessed
> with any of the usual tools for Jailbroken iPhones, and with most of
> the forensic tools like
> http://accessdata.com/products/forensic-investigation/mobile-phone-examiner
>        To spread out a bit, and deal with the problem more generally, people
> ought to keep in mind, if I may suggest it, that mobile phones are
> innately traceable. That isn't because anyone has made them that way,
> it's because the phone company needs to know where to route the
> information and where it's coming from. This is not something that
> anyone can really work around, one can encrypt the information as it
> passes, but cannot obfuscate the fact, to my knowledge at least, that
> information is passing from and to a specific location. Usually, the
> only people aware of the location information, however, are the phone
> company and the companies