RE: Bad Experience With IOS 18.1 Update.

['Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Katey,

 

Thanks I was not aware that I have to opt in. I’m not sure I want to since I am 
a sceptic.

 

Thanks. 

 

Eileen

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Katey Jackson
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2024 10:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bad Experience With IOS 18.1 Update.

 

Hey,

 

I noticed while I updated my iPad and my iPhone 15 Pro Max the same thing. I 
picked up both devices and there was nothing on the screen so I held the power 
button in on both devices and then it powered on.

 

Also, you have to opt into Apple Intelligence under Siri.

 

Katey 

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 31, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Herbie Allen mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thats frustrating. My first thought was that you didn’t give it enough time 
between the update an restart. Did it start up once before you restarted? I’m 
not a big Apple Accessibility fan, but from a tech end, my first thought with 
solving that type of problem is plugging the phone into a computer and letting 
iTunes reinstall the software, something that cannot be done over the phone or 
with the phone by itself.





On Oct 31, 2024, at 12:58, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi All,

 

Just wanted to relate what a bad experience I had in updating my phone’s IOS 
from 18 to 18.1.

 

This morning I finally did the update to 18.1 and once VO came back on I could 
not get my fairly newish iphone 15 Pro to restart. After several attempts, I 
called Apple Accessibility for help to try and get the phone started. NO luck 
and their final suggestion to get the phone up and running was to bring the 
phone into the Apple store nearest me. 

 

I was in a total panic since I am now using a new insulin pump that I am able 
to operate through the phone and its tied into my CGM which also gives me 
readings through the phone. My biggest fear was that The insulin pump software 
was going to reset and require sighted help to get up and running again. Any 
way, I set up an appointment and had a family member ready to drive me over. 
Before leaving to go to the store, I tried once more to start up the phone. On 
this last attempt, a good hour and a half from when I started the updated and 
it originally came back with the screen saying “Hello,” it finally, presented 
the screen that prompts for a apple passcode. Once I entered the code it all 
seemed to be working but what a worrying update with this IOS release It was 
not a major jump in versions and the only reason I can think of is that 18.1 is 
introducing Apple Intelligence which I’m assuming is an A.I. update. What also 
added to the frustration of this was the fact I called Apple Accessibility and 
the rep could not determine that the phone was still going through the update 
or installation process. It was much easier for them to just issue a bring it 
into the store statement than to try and figure out the issue at hand.

 

Any way, I’m blowing off steam, but some who may not have done this update yet 
– be ware.

 

Eileen

 

 

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RE: Bad Experience With IOS 18.1 Update.

['Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Pete,

 

Actually at the start of doing the update I was not connected to a power 
source. I have never plugged the phone in for updates, only my Mac Book. 
However, at one point during this process I did connect an AC adapter even 
though the phone was about 70% charged. And, the Ac was through the connector 
that physically plugs into the phone, not my charging pad. It was after 
connecting to power that I finally got back to a sign in screen. I don’t know 
maybe it helped and maybe it was just timing.

 

Eileen

 

 

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Behalf Of pdevasto0...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bad Experience With IOS 18.1 Update.

 

Hi Eileen,

 

I’m sure you probably did it this way, but if I don’t do an update with the 
phone plugged in to my Mac is to make sure it’s plugged into a wall adapter. 
For me at least, things always go much more quickly when the phone is connected 
to external power.

 

Pete De Vasto

 

From: 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 10:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Bad Experience With IOS 18.1 Update.

 

Hi All,

 

Just wanted to relate what a bad experience I had in updating my phone’s IOS 
from 18 to 18.1.

 

This morning I finally did the update to 18.1 and once VO came back on I could 
not get my fairly newish iphone 15 Pro to restart. After several attempts, I 
called Apple Accessibility for help to try and get the phone started. NO luck 
and their final suggestion to get the phone up and running was to bring the 
phone into the Apple store nearest me. 

 

I was in a total panic since I am now using a new insulin pump that I am able 
to operate through the phone and its tied into my CGM which also gives me 
readings through the phone. My biggest fear was that The insulin pump software 
was going to reset and require sighted help to get up and running again. Any 
way, I set up an appointment and had a family member ready to drive me over. 
Before leaving to go to the store, I tried once more to start up the phone. On 
this last attempt, a good hour and a half from when I started the updated and 
it originally came back with the screen saying “Hello,” it finally, presented 
the screen that prompts for a apple passcode. Once I entered the code it all 
seemed to be working but what a worrying update with this IOS release It was 
not a major jump in versions and the only reason I can think of is that 18.1 is 
introducing Apple Intelligence which I’m assuming is an A.I. update. What also 
added to the frustration of this was the fact I called Apple Accessibility and 
the rep could not determine that the phone was still going through the update 
or installation process. It was much easier for them to just issue a bring it 
into the store statement than to try and figure out the issue at hand.

 

Any way, I’m blowing off steam, but some who may not have done this update yet 
– be ware.

 

Eileen

 

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Re: New Mac talking in Sleep Mode.

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Mine doesn’t. Are you sure it’s in sleep mode, as opposed to being at the lock screen? Could you be more specific about what it says in sleep mode, as this might give insights into how to prevent it? From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on behalf of N2KPV Date: Sunday, October 27, 2024 at 10:59To: MacVisionaries Subject: New Mac talking in Sleep Mode.I just updated to a new Mac about 2 months ago . For some reason my mac randomly talks during sleep mode . Is there a setting that I should check ?   Thanks in advance .   Ben C,  -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/aabf9bac-a14f-4842-adcf-7d5f546f4012n%40googlegroups.com.



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RE: Bad Experience With IOS 18.1 Update.

['Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries]

Herbie,

 

You reminded me, the tech did ask if I could connect to a computer. However, my 
Mac Book pro is now about 10 years old and the cable that came with the new 15 
Pro phone will not plug into the ports on the older computer. So that option 
was out of reach. I am thinking of getting a new Mac computer some time soon. 
Also, the phone rep today was telling me that I could use any older charging 
cable to plug into my newer phone to connect to the Mac Book -- I think not! 
They are different connectors. What a mess that would have been.

 

In the past their accessibility has been helpful and good, but lately, I’m not 
feelin it so much any more.

 

Eileen

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 2:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bad Experience With IOS 18.1 Update.

 

Thats frustrating. My first thought was that you didn’t give it enough time 
between the update an restart. Did it start up once before you restarted? I’m 
not a big Apple Accessibility fan, but from a tech end, my first thought with 
solving that type of problem is plugging the phone into a computer and letting 
iTunes reinstall the software, something that cannot be done over the phone or 
with the phone by itself.





On Oct 31, 2024, at 12:58, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi All,

 

Just wanted to relate what a bad experience I had in updating my phone’s IOS 
from 18 to 18.1.

 

This morning I finally did the update to 18.1 and once VO came back on I could 
not get my fairly newish iphone 15 Pro to restart. After several attempts, I 
called Apple Accessibility for help to try and get the phone started. NO luck 
and their final suggestion to get the phone up and running was to bring the 
phone into the Apple store nearest me. 

 

I was in a total panic since I am now using a new insulin pump that I am able 
to operate through the phone and its tied into my CGM which also gives me 
readings through the phone. My biggest fear was that The insulin pump software 
was going to reset and require sighted help to get up and running again. Any 
way, I set up an appointment and had a family member ready to drive me over. 
Before leaving to go to the store, I tried once more to start up the phone. On 
this last attempt, a good hour and a half from when I started the updated and 
it originally came back with the screen saying “Hello,” it finally, presented 
the screen that prompts for a apple passcode. Once I entered the code it all 
seemed to be working but what a worrying update with this IOS release It was 
not a major jump in versions and the only reason I can think of is that 18.1 is 
introducing Apple Intelligence which I’m assuming is an A.I. update. What also 
added to the frustration of this was the fact I called Apple Accessibility and 
the rep could not determine that the phone was still going through the update 
or installation process. It was much easier for them to just issue a bring it 
into the store statement than to try and figure out the issue at hand.

 

Any way, I’m blowing off steam, but some who may not have done this update yet 
– be ware.

 

Eileen

 

 

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Re: Bad Experience With IOS 18.1 Update.

[Katey Jackson]

Hey,I noticed while I updated my iPad and my iPhone 15 Pro Max the same thing. I picked up both devices and there was nothing on the screen so I held the power button in on both devices and then it powered on.Also, you have to opt into Apple Intelligence under Siri.Katey Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 31, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:Thats frustrating. My first thought was that you didn’t give it enough time between the update an restart. Did it start up once before you restarted? I’m not a big Apple Accessibility fan, but from a tech end, my first thought with solving that type of problem is plugging the phone into a computer and letting iTunes reinstall the software, something that cannot be done over the phone or with the phone by itself.On Oct 31, 2024, at 12:58, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi All, Just wanted to relate what a bad experience I had in updating my phone’s IOS from 18 to 18.1. This morning I finally did the update to 18.1 and once VO came back on I could not get my fairly newish iphone 15 Pro to restart. After several attempts, I called Apple Accessibility for help to try and get the phone started. NO luck and their final suggestion to get the phone up and running was to bring the phone into the Apple store nearest me.  I was in a total panic since I am now using a new insulin pump that I am able to operate through the phone and its tied into my CGM which also gives me readings through the phone. My biggest fear was that The insulin pump software was going to reset and require sighted help to get up and running again. Any way, I set up an appointment and had a family member ready to drive me over. Before leaving to go to the store, I tried once more to start up the phone. On this last attempt, a good hour and a half from when I started the updated and it originally came back with the screen saying “Hello,” it finally, presented the screen that prompts for a apple passcode. Once I entered the code it all seemed to be working but what a worrying update with this IOS release It was not a major jump in versions and the only reason I can think of is that 18.1 is introducing Apple Intelligence which I’m assuming is an A.I. update. What also added to the frustration of this was the fact I called Apple Accessibility and the rep could not determine that the phone was still going through the update or installation process. It was much easier for them to just issue a bring it into the store statement than to try and figure out the issue at hand. Any way, I’m blowing off steam, but some who may not have done this update yet – be ware. Eileen -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/021601db2bbe%2479c0ca20%246d425e60%24%40verizon.net.



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RE: Bad Experience With IOS 18.1 Update.

[pdevasto0219]

Hi Eileen,

 

I’m sure you probably did it this way, but if I don’t do an update with the 
phone plugged in to my Mac is to make sure it’s plugged into a wall adapter. 
For me at least, things always go much more quickly when the phone is connected 
to external power.

 

Pete De Vasto

 

From: 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 10:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bad Experience With IOS 18.1 Update.

 

Hi All,

 

Just wanted to relate what a bad experience I had in updating my phone’s IOS 
from 18 to 18.1.

 

This morning I finally did the update to 18.1 and once VO came back on I could 
not get my fairly newish iphone 15 Pro to restart. After several attempts, I 
called Apple Accessibility for help to try and get the phone started. NO luck 
and their final suggestion to get the phone up and running was to bring the 
phone into the Apple store nearest me. 

 

I was in a total panic since I am now using a new insulin pump that I am able 
to operate through the phone and its tied into my CGM which also gives me 
readings through the phone. My biggest fear was that The insulin pump software 
was going to reset and require sighted help to get up and running again. Any 
way, I set up an appointment and had a family member ready to drive me over. 
Before leaving to go to the store, I tried once more to start up the phone. On 
this last attempt, a good hour and a half from when I started the updated and 
it originally came back with the screen saying “Hello,” it finally, presented 
the screen that prompts for a apple passcode. Once I entered the code it all 
seemed to be working but what a worrying update with this IOS release It was 
not a major jump in versions and the only reason I can think of is that 18.1 is 
introducing Apple Intelligence which I’m assuming is an A.I. update. What also 
added to the frustration of this was the fact I called Apple Accessibility and 
the rep could not determine that the phone was still going through the update 
or installation process. It was much easier for them to just issue a bring it 
into the store statement than to try and figure out the issue at hand.

 

Any way, I’m blowing off steam, but some who may not have done this update yet 
– be ware.

 

Eileen

 

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Re: Ray-Ban Meta and voiceover output

[Paul Mimms]

Although the speakers may be considered to be bone conduction, they are 
actually small speakers themselves. In fact, the volume can be turned up loud 
enough so that others around you can actually hear what you’re listening to, 
compromising any sense of privacy. I don’t believe the qualities is all that 
bad given that they are as small as they are and located where they are. Keep 
in mind that not only do you have voiceover coming through the speakers, since 
we are using voiceover as visually, impaired or blind users, but we also have 
the voice output inherent in the Meta, operating system, as well. In fact, you 
can use both for some of the same function, such as, making calls, sending 
messages, reading messages, and other functions, given that they are actually 
using the phone as a lot of their operating system Back up. Also, keep in mind 
that the glasses were not created for use with people that are blind or 
visually impaired. It is just a very fortunate consequence for those of us that 
are blind or vision impaired, that the glasses do so well, and performing task 
that we need to accomplish, And that they will be able to increase the 
functionality  we needas Meta pays more attention to the fact that they are 
usable by us. That is what’s happening right now in terms of development.
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> Yes, Voice Over works through the speakers builtin on the frame. It's
> bone conducting. There's nothing obstructing the ear. Sound is emitted a
> little bit forward of your ears from the glasses stems.
> 
> I experience a slight lag on my iPhone SE.
> 
> I wish it were possible to pan Voice Over. I don't usually care to have
> mono sound on both sides of my head when a specific panned position
> would suffice. To my thinking that would provide less obstruction to
> environmental sound.
> 
> Best,
> Janina
> 
> Phil Halton writes:
>> Well I think from the subject you can guess what I???m gonna ask. When using 
>> the Ray-Ban meta-smart glasses does the voiceover output from the iPhone 
>> come through the glasses speakers? Can you differentiate whether they do or 
>> not? Also, is there an actual lag in the responsiveness of the iPhone when 
>> using the smart glasses question or, is it just the experience of a few 
>> users? How bad is this lag say for an iPhone 13?
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Mark on iPhone 16 Pro Max, Finally!

[MacVisionaries]

Hello All,

I was near one of my local Apple Stores, yesterday, so decided to stop in 
to see if they had the phone I’ve been waiting for.  Lo and behold, they 
did.

I am now the proud owner of an iPhone 16 Pro Max, 1TB, black on black on 
black on black, of course.

I think I set a personal purchasing record, yesterday.  We actually timed 
it, although trying to beat some kind of record was certainly not my goal. 
 Okay, the entire purchase process from the time when we actually stepped 
into the store, located a sales person, had all of the items brought out 
including a screen protector, case, and a couple of cables, have the screen 
protector installed on the phone, used Apple Pay to buy the items, have a 
receipt both emailed to me and also have a hardcopy of the receipt printed, 
have everything placed in a bag, and exit, the store took, get ready for 
it, 4 minutes and 58 seconds.  

Insane, right

And, I might add, it was one of the most pleasant Apple experiences I’ve 
ever had.  The sales person was absolutely the best.  And, in no way was 
the store empty of customers; in fact it was comfortably full of customers.

As we crossed the threshold of the store, back into the mall, an also 
exiting customer said to me, “I’ve never seen anything like that; man but 
that was fast.”  Of course I greeted him and smiled.  

He then asked, “Are you some kind of professional buyer?”  To which I 
replied, “No.  Just a man who knows what he wants and how to ask for it.” 
 Be both laughed and went our separate ways.

Mark

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Re: Bad Experience With IOS 18.1 Update.

[Herbie Allen]

What they neglected to mention is that you need the UsBc to lighting adapter 
for your old cord to work, but you have to purchase them. A USBA to UsBC cord 
would also work for your older Mac. But yes, getting a newer one is a good idea 
and you’ll notice a major difference in the performance.

> On Oct 31, 2024, at 13:17, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Herbie,
>  
> You reminded me, the tech did ask if I could connect to a computer. However, 
> my Mac Book pro is now about 10 years old and the cable that came with the 
> new 15 Pro phone will not plug into the ports on the older computer. So that 
> option was out of reach. I am thinking of getting a new Mac computer some 
> time soon. Also, the phone rep today was telling me that I could use any 
> older charging cable to plug into my newer phone to connect to the Mac Book 
> -- I think not! They are different connectors. What a mess that would have 
> been.
>  
> In the past their accessibility has been helpful and good, but lately, I’m 
> not feelin it so much any more.
>  
> Eileen
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 2:08 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bad Experience With IOS 18.1 Update.
>  
> Thats frustrating. My first thought was that you didn’t give it enough time 
> between the update an restart. Did it start up once before you restarted? I’m 
> not a big Apple Accessibility fan, but from a tech end, my first thought with 
> solving that type of problem is plugging the phone into a computer and 
> letting iTunes reinstall the software, something that cannot be done over the 
> phone or with the phone by itself.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2024, at 12:58, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi All,
>>  
>> Just wanted to relate what a bad experience I had in updating my phone’s IOS 
>> from 18 to 18.1.
>>  
>> This morning I finally did the update to 18.1 and once VO came back on I 
>> could not get my fairly newish iphone 15 Pro to restart. After several 
>> attempts, I called Apple Accessibility for help to try and get the phone 
>> started. NO luck and their final suggestion to get the phone up and running 
>> was to bring the phone into the Apple store nearest me. 
>>  
>> I was in a total panic since I am now using a new insulin pump that I am 
>> able to operate through the phone and its tied into my CGM which also gives 
>> me readings through the phone. My biggest fear was that The insulin pump 
>> software was going to reset and require sighted help to get up and running 
>> again. Any way, I set up an appointment and had a family member ready to 
>> drive me over. Before leaving to go to the store, I tried once more to start 
>> up the phone. On this last attempt, a good hour and a half from when I 
>> started the updated and it originally came back with the screen saying 
>> “Hello,” it finally, presented the screen that prompts for a apple passcode. 
>> Once I entered the code it all seemed to be working but what a worrying 
>> update with this IOS release It was not a major jump in versions and the 
>> only reason I can think of is that 18.1 is introducing Apple Intelligence 
>> which I’m assuming is an A.I. update. What also added to the frustration of 
>> this was the fact I called Apple Accessibility and the rep could not 
>> determine that the phone was still going through the update or installation 
>> process. It was much easier for them to just issue a bring it into the store 
>> statement than to try and figure out the issue at hand.
>>  
>> Any way, I’m blowing off steam, but some who may not have done this update 
>> yet – be ware.
>>  
>> Eileen
>>  
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Re: Ray-Ban Meta and voiceover output

[Brad Snyder]

Speakers in the Ray-Ban Meta glasses definitely are not bone conduction.- Brad -On Nov 1, 2024, at 12:19, Paul Mimms  wrote:Although the speakers may be considered to be bone conduction, they are actually small speakers themselves. In fact, the volume can be turned up loud enough so that others around you can actually hear what you’re listening to, compromising any sense of privacy. I don’t believe the qualities is all that bad given that they are as small as they are and located where they are. Keep in mind that not only do you have voiceover coming through the speakers, since we are using voiceover as visually, impaired or blind users, but we also have the voice output inherent in the Meta, operating system, as well. In fact, you can use both for some of the same function, such as, making calls, sending messages, reading messages, and other functions, given that they are actually using the phone as a lot of their operating system Back up. Also, keep in mind that the glasses were not created for use with people that are blind or visually impaired. It is just a very fortunate consequence for those of us that are blind or vision impaired, that the glasses do so well, and performing task that we need to accomplish, And that they will be able to increase the functionality  we needas Meta pays more attention to the fact that they are usable by us. That is what’s happening right now in terms of development.paul8...@gmail.comLife is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, and what you make of it.Sent from my iPhone 15 ProOn Nov 1, 2024, at 4:30 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Yes, Voice Over works through the speakers builtin on the frame. It'sbone conducting. There's nothing obstructing the ear. Sound is emitted alittle bit forward of your ears from the glasses stems.I experience a slight lag on my iPhone SE.I wish it were possible to pan Voice Over. I don't usually care to havemono sound on both sides of my head when a specific panned positionwould suffice. To my thinking that would provide less obstruction toenvironmental sound.Best,JaninaPhil Halton writes:Well I think from the subject you can guess what I???m gonna ask. When using the Ray-Ban meta-smart glasses does the voiceover output from the iPhone come through the glasses speakers? Can you differentiate whether they do or not? Also, is there an actual lag in the responsiveness of the iPhone when using the smart glasses question or, is it just the experience of a few users? How bad is this lag say for an iPhone 13?Sent from my IPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/E7E11763-56D7-49EF-9B17-0074B85A8B47%40gmail.com.-- Janina Sajka (she/her/hers)Accessibility Consultant https://linkedin.com/in/jsajkaThe World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures    http://www.w3.org/wai/apaLinux Foundation Fellowhttps://www.linuxfoundation.org/board-of-directors-2/-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/ZySfqO084pXwIGNd%40rednote.net.



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RE: Mark on iPhone 16 Pro Max, Finally!

[Jessica Barr]

Wow! I'm amazed at how little time that purchase took! I'm glad you had such a 
quick, pleasant experience at the Apple Store. It always takes me longer, but I 
like to be able to touch all of the phone cases and choose the one that feels 
best in my hand, and I often have them help me with setup of the new device. I 
hope you love your 16 Pro Max as much as I love my 16 Pro!
Jessica

- Original Message -
From: MacVisionaries 
Date: Friday, November 01, 2024 01:21 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Mark on iPhone 16 Pro Max, Finally!

Hello All,
I was near one of my local Apple Stores, yesterday, so decided to stop in 
to see if they had the phone I've been waiting for.  Lo and behold, they 
did.
I am now the proud owner of an iPhone 16 Pro Max, 1TB, black on black on 
black on black, of course.
I think I set a personal purchasing record, yesterday.  We actually timed 
it, although trying to beat some kind of record was certainly not my goal. 
 Okay, the entire purchase process from the time when we actually stepped 
into the store, located a sales person, had all of the items brought out 
including a screen protector, case, and a couple of cables, have the screen 
protector installed on the phone, used Apple Pay to buy the items, have a 
receipt both emailed to me and also have a hardcopy of the receipt printed, 
have everything placed in a bag, and exit, the store took, get ready for 
it, 4 minutes and 58 seconds.  
Insane, right
And, I might add, it was one of the most pleasant Apple experiences I've 
ever had.  The sales person was absolutely the best.  And, in no way was 
the store empty of customers; in fact it was comfortably full of customers.
As we crossed the threshold of the store, back into the mall, an also 
exiting customer said to me, "I've never seen anything like that; man but 
that was fast."  Of course I greeted him and smiled.  
He then asked, "Are you some kind of professional buyer?"  To which I 
replied, "No.  Just a man who knows what he wants and how to ask for it." 
 Be both laughed and went our separate ways.
Mark
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Re: Ray-Ban Meta and voiceover output

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, Voice Over works through the speakers builtin on the frame. It's
bone conducting. There's nothing obstructing the ear. Sound is emitted a
little bit forward of your ears from the glasses stems.

I experience a slight lag on my iPhone SE.

I wish it were possible to pan Voice Over. I don't usually care to have
mono sound on both sides of my head when a specific panned position
would suffice. To my thinking that would provide less obstruction to
environmental sound.

Best,
Janina

Phil Halton writes:
> Well I think from the subject you can guess what I???m gonna ask. When using 
> the Ray-Ban meta-smart glasses does the voiceover output from the iPhone come 
> through the glasses speakers? Can you differentiate whether they do or not? 
> Also, is there an actual lag in the responsiveness of the iPhone when using 
> the smart glasses question or, is it just the experience of a few users? How 
> bad is this lag say for an iPhone 13?
> Sent from my IPhone
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