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Hi Lists,

I've cross posted to get this to everyone,

I've been doing some hunting online using chrome as my browser,

While I was searching a auto popup from chrome spoke to me saying that the 
March Apple event has been cancelled.
Has anyone else heard this as yet?

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Re: google notification re apple event

2020-03-12 Thread Brad Snyder

Apple cancels rumored March event with ‘iPhone SE 2’ delayed indefinitely

Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:06 pm News
Due to the COVID-19 coronavirus, Apple has canceled a special media event 
originally set for March after experiencing continued production delays to the 
“iPhone SE 2,” Cult of Macreports, citing “a source at Apple.”

Apple’s new budget-friendly iPhone is said to closely match iPhone 8’s physical 
specs
Brad Gibson for Cult of Mac:

A number of other problems played into the decision to delay the event that was 
being planned, including the worsening impact of the COVID-19 strain of the 
coronavirus in California and elsewhere.

The source said Apple grew “concerned” about bringing together some 1,000 
people for the event, originally planned for late March at the Steve Jobs 
Theater at Apple Park in Cupertino, California.

MacDailyNews Take: Just last week, the Public Health Department of the County 
of Santa Clara (in which Cupertino’s Apple Park and the Steve Jobs Theater 
reside) announced new guidance designed to reduce the spread of the virus in 
the community, so Apple’s cancelation of their iPhone SE 2 event makes perfect 
sense. No sense launching a product if you have no stock on hand*. 
Unfortunately, those waiting for Apple’s new “budget” iPhone will have to wait 
a little longer.

*although that didn’t stop Apple from doing just that with the original Apple 
Watch. 😉

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I’ve been doing some hunting online using chrome as my browser,

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Re: [PBU] google notification re apple event

2020-03-12 Thread Jessica Dail

Hi,
yes, I heard that it was cancelled, then later postponed, but a new date has 
not been set yet. 
I'll keep everyone posted, once a new date is announced. 
WWDC is also in limbo. 
That's my favorite event of the year, so seeing it get cancelled, would be very 
sad. 

Thanks,
Jessica

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Braille input device.

2020-03-12 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Interesting idea, but now that Braille can be entered directly on screen on IOS 
devices will there be much of a market for this device? How many folks who grew 
up with a learning braille would find this more useful than typing directly on 
screen or with a standard keyboard. Although I have tried to get efficient on a 
Perkins entry system, I still find my standard keyboard to be faster to input 
with.

Orbit Writer Smartphone Companion
Orders are being taken for this $99 pocket-size Braille keyboard for fully 
accessing smart phones without using gestures:
http://bit.ly/2TXKGpx 

Jonathan

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Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Hi,

A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed them 
into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from when 
making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly vague in my 
description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is deeper in the 
System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I can't remember 
for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System Integrity Protection to 
do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The tone choices did appear in 
Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did not play.  I either got no 
sound at all, or it switched back to the default alert sound.  Again, I'm not 
positive.  I gave up for now.

So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, and 
not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it again in 
Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder  wrote:

So, can you explain how to do this.

- Brad -



On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need to 
be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF files, 
but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days.

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Re: Braille input device.

2020-03-12 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Hi Jonathan,

It's funny, that caught my eye, too. Then I wondered, Why would you want that 
rather than your VU, which has a braille keyboard and a braille display? 

Re which is faster, I think it depends on which kind of keyboard you use the 
most. When I was a kid, I was a really fast braille typist. But now I spend 99% 
of my time on a qwerty keyboard, so I find I'm faster on that than on a Perkins 
style keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna


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> Interesting idea, but now that Braille can be entered directly on screen on 
> IOS devices will there be much of a market for this device? How many folks 
> who grew up with a learning braille would find this more useful than typing 
> directly on screen or with a standard keyboard. Although I have tried to get 
> efficient on a Perkins entry system, I still find my standard keyboard to be 
> faster to input with.
> 
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Re: Group wisdom on upgrading to Catalina?

Hi!
I think you should upgrade as you get the latest security then.
It works quite well for most of the time.
There are some issues for me with braille and i guess this wont be fixed for 
quite some time since braille isn’t quite important for apple.
But things work as they should.
Be aware thought that Itunes is gone and you have to learn the new music app.
/A

> 12 mars 2020 kl. 00:32 skrev Eric Caron :
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> Hi folks,
> 
> Now that I’m back on list I have a bit more confidence about upgrading. 
> 
> I’m wondering if the group feels like Catalina is now functioning well and 
> worth upgrading or are many people sticking with a past OS?  I’m currently 
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Re: google notification re apple event

Hi!
No but it won’t surprise me.
Corona is coming to bite ya!
/A

> 12 mars 2020 kl. 08:53 skrev Simon A Fogarty :
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Re: backblaze and voiceover

2020-03-12 Thread Robert Carter

Hi Jean,

I have been using Back Blaze for the last several years.

I have found it to be accessible enough for my needs. I should say that it is 
the third part of my backup approach. I also use Apple’s time machine and each 
week I make a clone of my computer using SuperDuper. BackBlaze is the off sight 
backup portion just in case something happens to both my SuperDuper and time 
machine backups.

I have never tried to restore from Back Blaze other than to login and grab a 
file or two that I needed. I was able to navigate around in my backup with 
VoiceOver well enough to locate the files that I wanted. Also, for a reasonable 
price, Back Blaze will send you a copy of your backup on a hard drive. I have 
found them to be very reliable and reasonably priced. Again, I choose not to 
use them as my only backup but as a part of the whole backup strategy. If you 
want to start cloning your Mac, I recommend SuperDuper. It is totally 
accessible and the developer is very committed to VoiceOver.

Take care,

Robert Carter



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> I am considering purchasing Backblaze and have some questions. I am a bit 
> hesitant because they do not publish a customer support phone number and they 
> don't say anything about accessibility on their web site. Thus, I would like 
> to hear from the group about your experiences as follows:
> 
> 1. I did the preliminary backup as part of the 15 day free trial. I found the 
> interface to select drives tricky to use so I am not sure exactly what is 
> selected for backup and what is excluded.
> 
> 2. Naturally, the ultimate objective of having such a service is to be able 
> to restore files in case of a problem. I went to the view and restore files 
> interface but was also not able to find things like documents, desktop, 
> downloads etc. How does this work and is the restore process accessible? If 
> so, how is it done with voiceover?
> 
> 3. What is people's experience with their customer support? Are they 
> responsive? Do they have enough knowledge to be conversant about how to 
> perform functions using voiceover?
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Re: Braille input device.

Hi!
Yes!! Yes!! Yes!!


> 12 mars 2020 kl. 15:21 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
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> Interesting idea, but now that Braille can be entered directly on screen on 
> IOS devices will there be much of a market for this device? How many folks 
> who grew up with a learning braille would find this more useful than typing 
> directly on screen or with a standard keyboard. Although I have tried to get 
> efficient on a Perkins entry system, I still find my standard keyboard to be 
> faster to input with.
> 
> Orbit Writer Smartphone Companion
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> http://bit.ly/2TXKGpx 
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Re: Braille input device.

2020-03-12 Thread Dezman Jackson

I think it's good there are options for choice of input device. For me, I like 
typing on the perkins-style keyboards that come on braille displays for 
instance when I'm using such a device with my phone. 
Outside of physically reading braille, I tend to lean toward the QWERTY 
keyboard unless I'm using braille screen input being that this method is simply 
faster to type on the touch screen.

Dezman 

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Yes!! Yes!! Yes!!
> 
> 
>> 12 mars 2020 kl. 15:21 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
>> 
>> Interesting idea, but now that Braille can be entered directly on screen on 
>> IOS devices will there be much of a market for this device? How many folks 
>> who grew up with a learning braille would find this more useful than typing 
>> directly on screen or with a standard keyboard. Although I have tried to get 
>> efficient on a Perkins entry system, I still find my standard keyboard to be 
>> faster to input with.
>> 
>> Orbit Writer Smartphone Companion
>> Orders are being taken for this $99 pocket-size Braille keyboard for fully 
>> accessing smart phones without using gestures:
>> http://bit.ly/2TXKGpx
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
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Re: Braille input device.

Hi!
Since my fingers are so clumsy i don’t like the braille keyboard on the touch 
screen.
So now i’ve pre-ordered the orbit writer.
I have always wanted a pocket-sized braille keyboard for my Phone.
/A

> 12 mars 2020 kl. 18:36 skrev Dezman Jackson :
> 
> I think it's good there are options for choice of input device. For me, I 
> like typing on the perkins-style keyboards that come on braille displays for 
> instance when I'm using such a device with my phone. 
> Outside of physically reading braille, I tend to lean toward the QWERTY 
> keyboard unless I'm using braille screen input being that this method is 
> simply faster to type on the touch screen.
> 
> Dezman 
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes!! Yes!! Yes!!
>> 
>> 
>>> 12 mars 2020 kl. 15:21 skrev Jonathan Cohn >> >:
>>> 
>>> Interesting idea, but now that Braille can be entered directly on screen on 
>>> IOS devices will there be much of a market for this device? How many folks 
>>> who grew up with a learning braille would find this more useful than typing 
>>> directly on screen or with a standard keyboard. Although I have tried to 
>>> get efficient on a Perkins entry system, I still find my standard keyboard 
>>> to be faster to input with.
>>> 
>>> Orbit Writer Smartphone Companion
>>> Orders are being taken for this $99 pocket-size Braille keyboard for fully 
>>> accessing smart phones without using gestures:
>>> http://bit.ly/2TXKGpx 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
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Re: Braille input device.

2020-03-12 Thread Anita Everette

Hi,
>From where can the orbit writer be purchased?
Thanks,Anita 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi Jonathan,

It's funny, that caught my eye, too. Then I wondered, Why would you want that 
rather than your VU, which has a braille keyboard and a braille display? 

Re which is faster, I think it depends on which kind of keyboard you use the 
most. When I was a kid, I was a really fast braille typist. But now I spend 99% 
of my time on a qwerty keyboard, so I find I'm faster on that than on a Perkins 
style keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna


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> Interesting idea, but now that Braille can be entered directly on screen on 
> IOS devices will there be much of a market for this device? How many folks 
> who grew up with a learning braille would find this more useful than typing 
> directly on screen or with a standard keyboard. Although I have tried to get 
> efficient on a Perkins entry system, I still find my standard keyboard to be 
> faster to input with.
> 
> Orbit Writer Smartphone Companion
> Orders are being taken for this $99 pocket-size Braille keyboard for fully 
> accessing smart phones without using gestures:
> http://bit.ly/2TXKGpx
> 
> Jonathan
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Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Hi Tim, 
That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail app 
are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only around 9 
options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that difficult to 
let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own iTunes Store to 
our Mac’s? 
I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t like 
getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.

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> 
> A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
> migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed them 
> into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from when 
> making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly vague in my 
> description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is deeper in the 
> System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I can't remember 
> for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System Integrity Protection 
> to do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The tone choices did appear 
> in Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did not play.  I either got 
> no sound at all, or it switched back to the default alert sound.  Again, I'm 
> not positive.  I gave up for now.
> 
> So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, 
> and not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it again 
> in Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> So, can you explain how to do this.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need 
> to be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF 
> files, but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days.
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Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Hi Petrus,

Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can customize 
these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to customize the same 
sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.

So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as long 
as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the AIFF 
audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your Desktop, 
then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO keys pressed 
and go down to the Library item and activate with return or VO-space.  Now, 
your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the Sounds folder, open 
it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this location, go back into 
the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane you'll have that new 
sound as an option.

If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to me 
off-list and I'll convert it for you.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

Hi Tim, 
That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail app 
are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only around 9 
options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that difficult to 
let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own iTunes Store to 
our Mac’s? 
I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t like 
getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.

> On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
> migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed them 
> into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from when 
> making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly vague in my 
> description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is deeper in the 
> System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I can't remember 
> for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System Integrity Protection 
> to do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The tone choices did appear 
> in Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did not play.  I either got 
> no sound at all, or it switched back to the default alert sound.  Again, I'm 
> not positive.  I gave up for now.
> 
> So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, 
> and not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it again 
> in Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> So, can you explain how to do this.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need 
> to be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF 
> files, but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days.
> 
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Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in order 
to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same file type 
for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?

> On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
> question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
> Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can 
> customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to 
> customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.
> 
> So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as 
> long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the 
> AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your 
> Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO 
> keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return or 
> VO-space.  Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the 
> Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this 
> location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane 
> you'll have that new sound as an option.
> 
> If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to 
> me off-list and I'll convert it for you.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, 
> That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
> difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
> available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail 
> app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only 
> around 9 options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that 
> difficult to let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own 
> iTunes Store to our Mac’s? 
> I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t 
> like getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.
> 
>> On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
>> migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed 
>> them into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from 
>> when making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly vague 
>> in my description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is deeper 
>> in the System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I can't 
>> remember for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System Integrity 
>> Protection to do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The tone 
>> choices did appear in Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did not 
>> play.  I either got no sound at all, or it switched back to the default 
>> alert sound.  Again, I'm not positive.  I gave up for now.
>> 
>> So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, 
>> and not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it 
>> again in Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> So, can you explain how to do this.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need 
>> to be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF 
>> files, but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days.
>> 
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>> Visionaries list.
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Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Hi Petrus,

Nope.  The ring-tones are m4r format whereas the alert-tones on the Mac are 
AIFF.  If these are tones that you've purchased, then it will be a little more 
challenging to make into an AiFF audio file, but not normally impossible.

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:31, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in order 
to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same file type 
for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?

> On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
> question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
> Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can 
> customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to 
> customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.
> 
> So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as 
> long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the 
> AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your 
> Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO 
> keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return or 
> VO-space.  Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the 
> Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this 
> location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane 
> you'll have that new sound as an option.
> 
> If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to 
> me off-list and I'll convert it for you.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, 
> That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
> difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
> available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail 
> app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only 
> around 9 options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that 
> difficult to let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own 
> iTunes Store to our Mac’s? 
> I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t 
> like getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.
> 
>> On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
>> migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed 
>> them into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from 
>> when making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly vague 
>> in my description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is deeper 
>> in the System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I can't 
>> remember for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System Integrity 
>> Protection to do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The tone 
>> choices did appear in Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did not 
>> play.  I either got no sound at all, or it switched back to the default 
>> alert sound.  Again, I'm not positive.  I gave up for now.
>> 
>> So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, 
>> and not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it 
>> again in Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> So, can you explain how to do this.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need 
>> to be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF 
>> files, but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days.
>> 
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>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators d

Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Never mind, it all sounds too hard. 
I’ll just have to stick with the sounds that come on the Mac. Hopefully one 
Apple will let us download extra sounds from the iTunes Store to the Mac. 

> On 13/03/2020, at 09:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Nope.  The ring-tones are m4r format whereas the alert-tones on the Mac are 
> AIFF.  If these are tones that you've purchased, then it will be a little 
> more challenging to make into an AiFF audio file, but not normally impossible.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:31, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
> iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in 
> order to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same 
> file type for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?
> 
>> On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petrus,
>> 
>> Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
>> question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
>> Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can 
>> customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to 
>> customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.
>> 
>> So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as 
>> long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the 
>> AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your 
>> Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO 
>> keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return or 
>> VO-space.  Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the 
>> Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this 
>> location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane 
>> you'll have that new sound as an option.
>> 
>> If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to 
>> me off-list and I'll convert it for you.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, 
>> That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
>> difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
>> available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail 
>> app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only 
>> around 9 options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that 
>> difficult to let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own 
>> iTunes Store to our Mac’s? 
>> I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t 
>> like getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.
>> 
>>> On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
>>> migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed 
>>> them into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from 
>>> when making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly 
>>> vague in my description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is 
>>> deeper in the System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I 
>>> can't remember for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System 
>>> Integrity Protection to do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The 
>>> tone choices did appear in Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did 
>>> not play.  I either got no sound at all, or it switched back to the default 
>>> alert sound.  Again, I'm not positive.  I gave up for now.
>>> 
>>> So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, 
>>> and not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it 
>>> again in Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, can you explain how to do this.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need 
>>> to

Re: google notification re apple event

2020-03-12 Thread matthew dyer

Yes it was announced in Mac daily news.  The new Iphone se2 is delade as well.  

Matthew



> On Mar 12, 2020, at 3:53 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lists,
>  
> I’ve cross posted to get this to everyone,
>  
> I’ve been doing some hunting online using chrome as my browser,
>  
> While I was searching a auto popup from chrome spoke to me saying that the 
> March Apple event has been cancelled.
> Has anyone else heard this as yet?
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Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Hi,

Sorry for making your life difficult.  The thing is that different apps use 
different formats by default.  Messages and FaceTime on your Mac usually use 
m4r alert-tones or ring-tones whereas Mail uses and alert sound.  hence the 
different formats.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:44, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

Never mind, it all sounds too hard. 
I’ll just have to stick with the sounds that come on the Mac. Hopefully one 
Apple will let us download extra sounds from the iTunes Store to the Mac. 

> On 13/03/2020, at 09:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Nope.  The ring-tones are m4r format whereas the alert-tones on the Mac are 
> AIFF.  If these are tones that you've purchased, then it will be a little 
> more challenging to make into an AiFF audio file, but not normally impossible.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:31, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
> iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in 
> order to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same 
> file type for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?
> 
>> On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petrus,
>> 
>> Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
>> question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
>> Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can 
>> customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to 
>> customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.
>> 
>> So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as 
>> long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the 
>> AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your 
>> Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO 
>> keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return or 
>> VO-space.  Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the 
>> Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this 
>> location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane 
>> you'll have that new sound as an option.
>> 
>> If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to 
>> me off-list and I'll convert it for you.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, 
>> That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
>> difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
>> available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail 
>> app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only 
>> around 9 options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that 
>> difficult to let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own 
>> iTunes Store to our Mac’s? 
>> I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t 
>> like getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.
>> 
>>> On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
>>> migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed 
>>> them into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from 
>>> when making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly 
>>> vague in my description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is 
>>> deeper in the System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I 
>>> can't remember for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System 
>>> Integrity Protection to do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The 
>>> tone choices did appear in Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did 
>>> not play.  I either got no sound at all, or it switched back to the default 
>>> alert sound.  Again, I'm not positive.  I gave up for now.
>>> 
>>> So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, 
>>> and not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it 
>>> again in Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>

Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

2020-03-12 Thread 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries

Hi,
You can use m4a as well as .aiff files.
I recorded a short demo showing how easy it is if you have the files already on 
your Mac. I don’t purchase tones from Apple, so I can’t tell you how to get 
them off the phone and onto the Mac.
Download the demo below:
https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZxDenkZ5BqAJDUzJV7VC13bc234wVGaIuoX

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 4:19 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
> question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
> Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can 
> customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to 
> customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.
> 
> So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as 
> long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the 
> AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your 
> Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO 
> keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return or 
> VO-space.  Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the 
> Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this 
> location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane 
> you'll have that new sound as an option.
> 
> If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to 
> me off-list and I'll convert it for you.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, 
> That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
> difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
> available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail 
> app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only 
> around 9 options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that 
> difficult to let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own 
> iTunes Store to our Mac’s? 
> I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t 
> like getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.
> 
>> On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
>> migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed 
>> them into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from 
>> when making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that

>> I'm being fairly vague in my description and this is purposeful.  The 
>> specific location is deeper in the System and is not usually accessed by the 
>> day-to-day user.  I can't remember for sure, but I may have even needed to 
>> disable System Integrity Protection to do it.  After all this, it still 
>> didn't work.  The tone choices did appear in Messages for me, but when I 
>> chose them, they did not play.  I either got no sound at all, or it switched 
>> back to the default alert sound.  Again, I'm not positive.  I gave up for 
>> now.
>> 
>> So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, 
>> and not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it 
>> again in Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> So, can you explain how to do this.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need 
>> to be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF 
>> files, but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days.
>> 
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>> Visionaries list.
>> 
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>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
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>> mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>> 
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Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Hey Tim,
You didn’t make my life difficult. I’ll leave that honour for Apple.  You were 
just trying to help. 
I’m off to do some gardening now. Have you got your new dog yet?

> On 13/03/2020, at 09:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry for making your life difficult.  The thing is that different apps use 
> different formats by default.  Messages and FaceTime on your Mac usually use 
> m4r alert-tones or ring-tones whereas Mail uses and alert sound.  hence the 
> different formats.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:44, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Never mind, it all sounds too hard. 
> I’ll just have to stick with the sounds that come on the Mac. Hopefully one 
> Apple will let us download extra sounds from the iTunes Store to the Mac. 
> 
>> On 13/03/2020, at 09:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petrus,
>> 
>> Nope.  The ring-tones are m4r format whereas the alert-tones on the Mac are 
>> AIFF.  If these are tones that you've purchased, then it will be a little 
>> more challenging to make into an AiFF audio file, but not normally 
>> impossible.
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:31, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
>> iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in 
>> order to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same 
>> file type for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?
>> 
>>> On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Petrus,
>>> 
>>> Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
>>> question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in 
>>> the Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can 
>>> customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to 
>>> customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as 
>>> long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the 
>>> AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your 
>>> Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO 
>>> keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return or 
>>> VO-space.  Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the 
>>> Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in 
>>> this location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the 
>>> General pane you'll have that new sound as an option.
>>> 
>>> If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it 
>>> to me off-list and I'll convert it for you.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, 
>>> That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
>>> difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
>>> available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail 
>>> app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only 
>>> around 9 options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that 
>>> difficult to let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own 
>>> iTunes Store to our Mac’s? 
>>> I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t 
>>> like getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.
>>> 
 On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, 
 I migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed 
 them into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from 
 when making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly 
 vague in my description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is 
 deeper in the System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  
 I can't remember for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System 
 Integrity Protection to do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The 
 tone choices did appear in Messages for me, but when I chose them

Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Hi,

Thanks Robert.  That is helpful that they can also be m4a audio files.  
Purchased m4r files still would be a challenge to convert to m4a, but a 
unprotected m4r can be converted to an m4a simply by changing the extension 
from m4r to m4a.  It is one of the few places where simply changing the 
extension works without corrupting the file.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:57, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,
You can use m4a as well as .aiff files.
I recorded a short demo showing how easy it is if you have the files already on 
your Mac. I don’t purchase tones from Apple, so I can’t tell you how to get 
them off the phone and onto the Mac.
Download the demo below:
https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZxDenkZ5BqAJDUzJV7VC13bc234wVGaIuoX 


> On Mar 12, 2020, at 4:19 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
> question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
> Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can 
> customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to 
> customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.
> 
> So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as 
> long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the 
> AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your 
> Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO 
> keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return or 
> VO-space.  Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the 
> Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this 
> location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane 
> you'll have that new sound as an option.
> 
> If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to 
> me off-list and I'll convert it for you.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, 
> That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
> difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
> available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail 
> app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only 
> around 9 options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that 
> difficult to let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own 
> iTunes Store to our Mac’s? 
> I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t 
> like getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.
> 
>> On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
>> migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed 
>> them into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from 
>> when making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that

>> I'm being fairly vague in my description and this is purposeful.  The 
>> specific location is deeper in the System and is not usually accessed by the 
>> day-to-day user.  I can't remember for sure, but I may have even needed to 
>> disable System Integrity Protection to do it.  After all this, it still 
>> didn't work.  The tone choices did appear in Messages for me, but when I 
>> chose them, they did not play.  I either got no sound at all, or it switched 
>> back to the default alert sound.  Again, I'm not positive.  I gave up for 
>> now.
>> 
>> So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, 
>> and not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it 
>> again in Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> So, can you explain how to do this.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need 
>> to be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF 
>> files, but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days.
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is i

Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Hi Petrus,

I was supposed to leave this Sunday morning, but the COVID-19 has put a wrench 
in the plan.  I'll have to wait and see when things cool off a bit to arrange a 
new time slot.  Happy gardening!  We're all covered with this rather cold white 
stuff right now, so gardening is still a couple months away in my world.  
Thanks for asking.

Have a good one..

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 15:04, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

Hey Tim,
You didn’t make my life difficult. I’ll leave that honour for Apple.  You were 
just trying to help. 
I’m off to do some gardening now. Have you got your new dog yet?

> On 13/03/2020, at 09:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry for making your life difficult.  The thing is that different apps use 
> different formats by default.  Messages and FaceTime on your Mac usually use 
> m4r alert-tones or ring-tones whereas Mail uses and alert sound.  hence the 
> different formats.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:44, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Never mind, it all sounds too hard. 
> I’ll just have to stick with the sounds that come on the Mac. Hopefully one 
> Apple will let us download extra sounds from the iTunes Store to the Mac. 
> 
>> On 13/03/2020, at 09:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petrus,
>> 
>> Nope.  The ring-tones are m4r format whereas the alert-tones on the Mac are 
>> AIFF.  If these are tones that you've purchased, then it will be a little 
>> more challenging to make into an AiFF audio file, but not normally 
>> impossible.
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:31, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
>> iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in 
>> order to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same 
>> file type for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?
>> 
>>> On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Petrus,
>>> 
>>> Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
>>> question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in 
>>> the Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can 
>>> customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to 
>>> customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as 
>>> long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the 
>>> AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your 
>>> Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO 
>>> keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return or 
>>> VO-space.  Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the 
>>> Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in 
>>> this location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the 
>>> General pane you'll have that new sound as an option.
>>> 
>>> If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it 
>>> to me off-list and I'll convert it for you.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, 
>>> That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
>>> difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
>>> available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail 
>>> app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only 
>>> around 9 options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that 
>>> difficult to let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own 
>>> iTunes Store to our Mac’s? 
>>> I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t 
>>> like getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.
>>> 
 On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, 
 I migrated my tones I use on my iPad an

apple music, sharing playlists publicly

2020-03-12 Thread Patrick Ford

Hi,
As far as I can tell, sharing playlists is done this way: go into apple music 
under the For You section, then my account, then a search field to add a 
friend’s username.
But this does not seem to work for me.
And now, I am only getting the opportunity  to sign into face book. This I do 
not want to do.
Does anyone know how to share playlists publicly? 
Thanks.
Patrick 

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Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

2020-03-12 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries

Hello Tim.

I know how frustrating it is, I was meant to be getting a dog but the dog did 
not work out for me and so I’m waiting for another dog. I have been waiting for 
a dog for almost 3 years. Hopefully something will come along for me soon.

Just hoping that everybody is well on this list, and no virus.

Kawal.

> On 12 Mar 2020, at 9:10 pm, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> I was supposed to leave this Sunday morning, but the COVID-19 has put a 
> wrench in the plan.  I'll have to wait and see when things cool off a bit to 
> arrange a new time slot.  Happy gardening!  We're all covered with this 
> rather cold white stuff right now, so gardening is still a couple months away 
> in my world.  Thanks for asking.
> 
> Have a good one..
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 15:04, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Hey Tim,
> You didn’t make my life difficult. I’ll leave that honour for Apple.  You 
> were just trying to help. 
> I’m off to do some gardening now. Have you got your new dog yet?
> 
>> On 13/03/2020, at 09:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Sorry for making your life difficult.  The thing is that different apps use 
>> different formats by default.  Messages and FaceTime on your Mac usually use 
>> m4r alert-tones or ring-tones whereas Mail uses and alert sound.  hence the 
>> different formats.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:44, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> Never mind, it all sounds too hard. 
>> I’ll just have to stick with the sounds that come on the Mac. Hopefully one 
>> Apple will let us download extra sounds from the iTunes Store to the Mac. 
>> 
>>> On 13/03/2020, at 09:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Petrus,
>>> 
>>> Nope.  The ring-tones are m4r format whereas the alert-tones on the Mac are 
>>> AIFF.  If these are tones that you've purchased, then it will be a little 
>>> more challenging to make into an AiFF audio file, but not normally 
>>> impossible.
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:31, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
>>> iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in 
>>> order to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same 
>>> file type for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?
>>> 
 On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:

 Hi Petrus,

 Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into 
 your question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones 
 in the Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you 
 can customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to 
 customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.

 So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as 
 long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the 
 AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your 
 Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the 
 VO keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return 
 or VO-space.  Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate 
 the Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is 
 in this location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the 
 General pane you'll have that new sound as an option.

 If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it 
 to me off-list and I'll convert it for you.

 HTH.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

 Hi Tim, 
 That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
 difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
 available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the 
 Mail app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is 
 only around 9 options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be 
 that difficult to let us download sounds that we have purchased from their 
 own iTunes Store to our Mac’s? 
 I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t 
 like getting suggestions. And

Re: apple music, sharing playlists publicly

Hi,

If you have the playlist already created, then do the following.  We'll call 
your playlist "Patrick's Favourites" for fun.

1.  In the Music app, select Patrick's Favourites from the sidebar.
2.  Interact with the area named "Patrick's Favourites Header Group".
3.  Check the box that reads "Publish on profile and in search".
4.  Navigate to the More button and VO-space on it.
5.  Select Share from this menu then navigate right and down to either Mail or 
Message.

The appropriate app will open and you should be able to send the playlist to 
your friend.  Note, your friend must be an Apple Music subscriber in order to 
receive/use the shared playlist.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 15:19, Patrick Ford  wrote:

Hi,
As far as I can tell, sharing playlists is done this way: go into apple music 
under the For You section, then my account, then a search field to add a 
friend’s username.
But this does not seem to work for me.
And now, I am only getting the opportunity  to sign into face book. This I do 
not want to do.
Does anyone know how to share playlists publicly? 
Thanks.
Patrick 

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Re: apple music, sharing playlists publicly

2020-03-12 Thread Patrick Ford

ok great  the last part of your instructions I did not know about; so, I can 
only share if I send someone a text or message to listen?Thanks.

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 5:44 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you have the playlist already created, then do the following.  We'll call 
> your playlist "Patrick's Favourites" for fun.
> 
> 1.  In the Music app, select Patrick's Favourites from the sidebar.
> 2.  Interact with the area named "Patrick's Favourites Header Group".
> 3.  Check the box that reads "Publish on profile and in search".
> 4.  Navigate to the More button and VO-space on it.
> 5.  Select Share from this menu then navigate right and down to either Mail 
> or Message.
> 
> The appropriate app will open and you should be able to send the playlist to 
> your friend.  Note, your friend must be an Apple Music subscriber in order to 
> receive/use the shared playlist.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 15:19, Patrick Ford  > wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
> As far as I can tell, sharing playlists is done this way: go into apple music 
> under the For You section, then my account, then a search field to add a 
> friend’s username.
> But this does not seem to work for me.
> And now, I am only getting the opportunity  to sign into face book. This I do 
> not want to do.
> Does anyone know how to share playlists publicly? 
> Thanks.
> Patrick 
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Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

That’s one thing I never have to worry about here, Auckland is sub-tropical so 
we don’t even get snow in the middle of winter. We hardly even get frost. Simon 
is more likely to get the white stuff in the winter being in the South Island. 
And that is Snow Simon, before you make some smart comment.
Yes, I second Kawal, hope everyone is keeping safe out there.  

> On 13/03/2020, at 10:10, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> I was supposed to leave this Sunday morning, but the COVID-19 has put a 
> wrench in the plan.  I'll have to wait and see when things cool off a bit to 
> arrange a new time slot.  Happy gardening!  We're all covered with this 
> rather cold white stuff right now, so gardening is still a couple months away 
> in my world.  Thanks for asking.
> 
> Have a good one..
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 15:04, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Hey Tim,
> You didn’t make my life difficult. I’ll leave that honour for Apple.  You 
> were just trying to help. 
> I’m off to do some gardening now. Have you got your new dog yet?
> 
>> On 13/03/2020, at 09:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Sorry for making your life difficult.  The thing is that different apps use 
>> different formats by default.  Messages and FaceTime on your Mac usually use 
>> m4r alert-tones or ring-tones whereas Mail uses and alert sound.  hence the 
>> different formats.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:44, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Never mind, it all sounds too hard. 
>> I’ll just have to stick with the sounds that come on the Mac. Hopefully one 
>> Apple will let us download extra sounds from the iTunes Store to the Mac. 
>> 
>>> On 13/03/2020, at 09:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Petrus,
>>> 
>>> Nope.  The ring-tones are m4r format whereas the alert-tones on the Mac are 
>>> AIFF.  If these are tones that you've purchased, then it will be a little 
>>> more challenging to make into an AiFF audio file, but not normally 
>>> impossible.
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:31, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
>>> iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in 
>>> order to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same 
>>> file type for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?
>>> 
 On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:

 Hi Petrus,

 Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into 
 your question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones 
 in the Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you 
 can customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to 
 customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.

 So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as 
 long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the 
 AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your 
 Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the 
 VO keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return 
 or VO-space.  Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate 
 the Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is 
 in this location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the 
 General pane you'll have that new sound as an option.

 If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it 
 to me off-list and I'll convert it for you.

 HTH.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings >>> > wrote:

 Hi Tim, 
 That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
 difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
 available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the 
 Mail app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is 
>>

Re: apple music, sharing playlists publicly

Hi,

Sort of.  You can also just select "Copy Link" then post it via Twitter, 
FaceBook, InstaGram etc, if you don't wish to use Mail or Messages.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 15:49, Patrick Ford  wrote:

ok great  the last part of your instructions I did not know about; so, I can 
only share if I send someone a text or message to listen?Thanks.

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 5:44 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you have the playlist already created, then do the following.  We'll call 
> your playlist "Patrick's Favourites" for fun.
> 
> 1.  In the Music app, select Patrick's Favourites from the sidebar.
> 2.  Interact with the area named "Patrick's Favourites Header Group".
> 3.  Check the box that reads "Publish on profile and in search".
> 4.  Navigate to the More button and VO-space on it.
> 5.  Select Share from this menu then navigate right and down to either Mail 
> or Message.
> 
> The appropriate app will open and you should be able to send the playlist to 
> your friend.  Note, your friend must be an Apple Music subscriber in order to 
> receive/use the shared playlist.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 15:19, Patrick Ford  > wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
> As far as I can tell, sharing playlists is done this way: go into apple music 
> under the For You section, then my account, then a search field to add a 
> friend’s username.
> But this does not seem to work for me.
> And now, I am only getting the opportunity  to sign into face book. This I do 
> not want to do.
> Does anyone know how to share playlists publicly? 
> Thanks.
> Patrick 
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Re: apple music, sharing playlists publicly

2020-03-12 Thread Patrick Ford

ok great thank you.

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 7:15 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Sort of.  You can also just select "Copy Link" then post it via Twitter, 
> FaceBook, InstaGram etc, if you don't wish to use Mail or Messages.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
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> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 15:49, Patrick Ford  > wrote:
> 
> ok great  the last part of your instructions I did not know about; so, I can 
> only share if I send someone a text or message to listen?Thanks.
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 5:44 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If you have the playlist already created, then do the following.  We'll call 
>> your playlist "Patrick's Favourites" for fun.
>> 
>> 1.  In the Music app, select Patrick's Favourites from the sidebar.
>> 2.  Interact with the area named "Patrick's Favourites Header Group".
>> 3.  Check the box that reads "Publish on profile and in search".
>> 4.  Navigate to the More button and VO-space on it.
>> 5.  Select Share from this menu then navigate right and down to either Mail 
>> or Message.
>> 
>> The appropriate app will open and you should be able to send the playlist to 
>> your friend.  Note, your friend must be an Apple Music subscriber in order 
>> to receive/use the shared playlist.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 15:19, Patrick Ford > > wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi,
>> As far as I can tell, sharing playlists is done this way: go into apple 
>> music under the For You section, then my account, then a search field to add 
>> a friend’s username.
>> But this does not seem to work for me.
>> And now, I am only getting the opportunity  to sign into face book. This I 
>> do not want to do.
>> Does anyone know how to share playlists publicly? 
>> Thanks.
>> Patrick 
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Re: apple music, sharing playlists publicly

2020-03-12 Thread Maria Reyes

If you're in the playlist already you can just hit share and share it that way.

Interested in a group where we talk everything Apple products? Join the VIP 
Apple Users group on WhatsApp! Just email me at maria.reyes1...@gmail.com with 
your WhatsApp info and I will add you.

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 7:17 PM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
> 
> ok great thank you.
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 7:15 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Sort of.  You can also just select "Copy Link" then post it via Twitter, 
>> FaceBook, InstaGram etc, if you don't wish to use Mail or Messages.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 15:49, Patrick Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> ok great  the last part of your instructions I did not know about; so, I can 
>> only share if I send someone a text or message to listen?Thanks.
>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 5:44 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you have the playlist already created, then do the following.  We'll 
>>> call your playlist "Patrick's Favourites" for fun.
>>> 
>>> 1.  In the Music app, select Patrick's Favourites from the sidebar.
>>> 2.  Interact with the area named "Patrick's Favourites Header Group".
>>> 3.  Check the box that reads "Publish on profile and in search".
>>> 4.  Navigate to the More button and VO-space on it.
>>> 5.  Select Share from this menu then navigate right and down to either Mail 
>>> or Message.
>>> 
>>> The appropriate app will open and you should be able to send the playlist 
>>> to your friend.  Note, your friend must be an Apple Music subscriber in 
>>> order to receive/use the shared playlist.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 15:19, Patrick Ford  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> As far as I can tell, sharing playlists is done this way: go into apple 
>>> music under the For You section, then my account, then a search field to 
>>> add a friend’s username.
>>> But this does not seem to work for me.
>>> And now, I am only getting the opportunity  to sign into face book. This I 
>>> do not want to do.
>>> Does anyone know how to share playlists publicly? 
>>> Thanks.
>>> Patrick 
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Fwd: (Auto-reply) Apple Support

Hi all,
I wanted to email apple to asked if there was a way I could put my purchased 
alert tones  on on to my Mac, or purchase new ones  for my Mac. I didn’t want 
to email the accessibility email address as it really isn’t an accessibility 
issue. Is there an address I can use? I tried to guess as I couldn’t find one 
on their web-site. This is the auto reply I got. 

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: supp...@apple.com
> Subject: (Auto-reply) Apple Support
> Date: 13 March 2020 at 16:27:31 NZDT
> To: petrus.t...@gmail.com
> 
> Thank you for contacting Apple. This is an unattended Apple e-mail address.
> Here are some support options for your Apple products and services:
> 
> Suspicious E-mails
> ——
> If you've received a suspicious-looking email that looks like a receipt or
> invoice claiming to be from Apple, forward it to reportphish...@apple.com
> 
> 
> Apple Music on Android devices
> ——
> Go to
> https://getsupport.apple.com/?caller=andrdamp&PGF=PGF51003&category_id=SC0256&symptom_id=21333
> 
> 
> Apple TV app for Smart TVs as well as Roku and Amazon Fire TV streaming
> devices
> ——
> Go to this article for setup
> information:https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209440
> Go to http://getsupport.apple.com to request help on Apple TV app for your
> device.
> 
> Shazam customer support
> ——
> Go to this article https://support.apple.com/HT210331 and click on the link
> in Get Help
> 
> 
> All Other Apple Support Needs
> 
> Go to http://getsupport.apple.com
> 
> 
> Thanks again for writing.
> Apple

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Re: (Auto-reply) Apple Support

2020-03-12 Thread Jürgen Fleger

Hi Petrus,
as far as I know there's no such e-mail-address for support. You can use the 
feedback page on the internet or the technical support via telephone. And you 
could visit an Apple Store of course.
All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 13.03.2020 um 04:46 schrieb Petrus Tuerlings :
> 
> Hi all,
> I wanted to email apple to asked if there was a way I could put my purchased 
> alert tones  on on to my Mac, or purchase new ones  for my Mac. I didn’t want 
> to email the accessibility email address as it really isn’t an accessibility 
> issue. Is there an address I can use? I tried to guess as I couldn’t find one 
> on their web-site. This is the auto reply I got. 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: supp...@apple.com
>> Subject: (Auto-reply) Apple Support
>> Date: 13 March 2020 at 16:27:31 NZDT
>> To: petrus.t...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Thank you for contacting Apple. This is an unattended Apple e-mail address.
>> Here are some support options for your Apple products and services:
>> 
>> Suspicious E-mails
>> ——
>> If you've received a suspicious-looking email that looks like a receipt or
>> invoice claiming to be from Apple, forward it to reportphish...@apple.com
>> 
>> 
>> Apple Music on Android devices
>> ——
>> Go to
>> https://getsupport.apple.com/?caller=andrdamp&PGF=PGF51003&category_id=SC0256&symptom_id=21333
>> 
>> 
>> Apple TV app for Smart TVs as well as Roku and Amazon Fire TV streaming
>> devices
>> ——
>> Go to this article for setup
>> information:https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209440
>> Go to http://getsupport.apple.com to request help on Apple TV app for your
>> device.
>> 
>> Shazam customer support
>> ——
>> Go to this article https://support.apple.com/HT210331 and click on the link
>> in Get Help
>> 
>> 
>> All Other Apple Support Needs
>> 
>> Go to http://getsupport.apple.com
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks again for writing.
>> Apple
> 
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Re: (Auto-reply) Apple Support

Yes, my wife told me that as well but figured I had nothing to lose by trying. 
Oh, as far as your last suggestion goes unfortunately we do not have Apple 
stores in New Zealand, the nearest one would be Australia.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 13/03/2020, at 17:00, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 

Hi Petrus,
as far as I know there's no such e-mail-address for support. You can use the 
feedback page on the internet or the technical support via telephone. And you 
could visit an Apple Store of course.
All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

>> Am 13.03.2020 um 04:46 schrieb Petrus Tuerlings :
>> 
> Hi all,
> I wanted to email apple to asked if there was a way I could put my purchased 
> alert tones  on on to my Mac, or purchase new ones  for my Mac. I didn’t want 
> to email the accessibility email address as it really isn’t an accessibility 
> issue. Is there an address I can use? I tried to guess as I couldn’t find one 
> on their web-site. This is the auto reply I got. 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: supp...@apple.com
>> Subject: (Auto-reply) Apple Support
>> Date: 13 March 2020 at 16:27:31 NZDT
>> To: petrus.t...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Thank you for contacting Apple. This is an unattended Apple e-mail address.
>> Here are some support options for your Apple products and services:
>> 
>> Suspicious E-mails
>> ——
>> If you've received a suspicious-looking email that looks like a receipt or
>> invoice claiming to be from Apple, forward it to reportphish...@apple.com
>> 
>> 
>> Apple Music on Android devices
>> ——
>> Go to
>> https://getsupport.apple.com/?caller=andrdamp&PGF=PGF51003&category_id=SC0256&symptom_id=21333
>> 
>> 
>> Apple TV app for Smart TVs as well as Roku and Amazon Fire TV streaming
>> devices
>> ——
>> Go to this article for setup
>> information:https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209440
>> Go to http://getsupport.apple.com to request help on Apple TV app for your
>> device.
>> 
>> Shazam customer support
>> ——
>> Go to this article https://support.apple.com/HT210331 and click on the link
>> in Get Help
>> 
>> 
>> All Other Apple Support Needs
>> 
>> Go to http://getsupport.apple.com
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks again for writing.
>> Apple
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AIFF file converter

2020-03-12 Thread Bradford Snyder

Hey Tim,

What Utility are you using to convert files to AIFF?.
Inquiring minds and all that you know, eh.

- Brad -



On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

Sorry for making your life difficult.  The thing is that different apps use 
different formats by default.  Messages and FaceTime on your Mac usually use 
m4r alert-tones or ring-tones whereas Mail uses and alert sound.  hence the 
different formats.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:44, Petrus Tuerlings mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Never mind, it all sounds too hard. 
I’ll just have to stick with the sounds that come on the Mac. Hopefully one 
Apple will let us download extra sounds from the iTunes Store to the Mac. 

> On 13/03/2020, at 09:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Nope.  The ring-tones are m4r format whereas the alert-tones on the Mac are 
> AIFF.  If these are tones that you've purchased, then it will be a little 
> more challenging to make into an AiFF audio file, but not normally impossible.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:31, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
> iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in 
> order to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same 
> file type for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?
> 
>> On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petrus,
>> 
>> Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
>> question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
>> Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can 
>> customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to 
>> customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.
>> 
>> So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as 
>> long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the 
>> AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your 
>> Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO 
>> keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return or 
>> VO-space.  Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the 
>> Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this 
>> location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane 
>> you'll have that new sound as an option.
>> 
>> If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to 
>> me off-list and I'll convert it for you.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, 
>> That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
>> difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
>> available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail 
>> app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only 
>> around 9 options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that 
>> difficult to let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own 
>> iTunes Store to our Mac’s? 
>> I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t 
>> like getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.
>> 
>>> On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
>>> migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed 
>>> them into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from 
>>> when making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly 
>>> vague in my description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is 
>>> deeper in the System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I 
>>> can't remember for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System 
>>> Integrity Protection to do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The 
>>> tone choices did appear in Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did 
>>> not play.  I either got no sound at all, or it switched back to the default 
>>> alert sound.  Again, I'm not positive.  I gave up for now.
>>> 
>>> So, essentially, it's supposed to b

RE: google notification re apple event

Cheers Brad,

That explains more about  what is going on.

Oh well guess I’ll have to wait longer for my new earpods


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2020 9:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: google notification re apple event

Apple cancels rumored March event with ‘iPhone SE 2’ delayed indefinitely
Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:06 pm
· News

Due to the COVID-19 coronavirus, Apple 
has canceled a special media event originally set for March after experiencing 
continued production delays to the “iPhone SE 2,” Cult of Macreports, citing “a 
source at Apple.”
[Apple iPhone SE 2 event. Apple's new budget-friendly iPhone is said to closely 
match iPhone 8's physical specs]Apple’s new budget-friendly iPhone is said to 
closely match iPhone 8’s physical specs

Brad Gibson for Cult of 
Mac:

A number of other problems played into the decision to delay the event that was 
being planned, including the worsening impact of the COVID-19 strain of the 
coronavirus in California and elsewhere.

The source said Apple grew “concerned” about bringing together some 1,000 
people for the event, originally planned for late March at the Steve Jobs 
Theater at Apple Park in Cupertino, California.

MacDailyNews Take: Just last week, the Public Health Department of the County 
of Santa Clara (in which Cupertino’s Apple Park and the Steve Jobs Theater 
reside) announced new guidance designed to reduce the spread of the virus in 
the community, so Apple’s cancelation of their iPhone SE 2 event makes perfect 
sense. No sense launching a product if you have no stock on hand*. 
Unfortunately, those waiting for Apple’s new “budget” iPhone will have to wait 
a little longer.

*although that didn’t stop Apple from doing just that with the original Apple 
Watch. 😉


On Mar 12, 2020, at 00:53, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Lists,

I’ve cross posted to get this to everyone,

I’ve been doing some hunting online using chrome as my browser,

While I was searching a auto popup from chrome spoke to me saying that the 
March Apple event has been cancelled.
Has anyone else heard this as yet?
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Re: Group wisdom on upgrading to Catalina?

2020-03-12 Thread 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries

Well I've been beta testing Catalina when it first got released to developers 
and I love it. The thing that sold me the most about it is the fact that we can 
now use the Siri voices with Voiceover like we could on iOS.

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> On Mar 12, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I think you should upgrade as you get the latest security then.
> It works quite well for most of the time.
> There are some issues for me with braille and i guess this wont be fixed for 
> quite some time since braille isn’t quite important for apple.
> But things work as they should.
> Be aware thought that Itunes is gone and you have to learn the new music app.
> /A
> 
>> 12 mars 2020 kl. 00:32 skrev Eric Caron :
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Now that I’m back on list I have a bit more confidence about upgrading. 
>> 
>> I’m wondering if the group feels like Catalina is now functioning well and 
>> worth upgrading or are many people sticking with a past OS?  I’m currently 
>> working in Mojave.
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
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RE: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Tim and anyone else that’s interested in trying,

What about putting the tones in to a folder in iCloud and then trying to add 
them that way to your phone or iPad etc.

I’ve not tried it myself but it works with documents in some cases why not 
other file types.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Friday, 13 March 2020 3:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Hi,

A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed them 
into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from when 
making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly vague in my 
description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is deeper in the 
System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I can't remember 
for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System Integrity Protection to 
do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The tone choices did appear in 
Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did not play.  I either got no 
sound at all, or it switched back to the default alert sound.  Again, I'm not 
positive.  I gave up for now.

So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, and 
not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it again in 
Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

So, can you explain how to do this.

- Brad -



On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need to 
be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF files, 
but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days.

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Re: Word Processors recommendation

2020-03-12 Thread 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries

Hey there. I know I'm late to the party, but as to the subscribing to Office 
365 yearly or monthly, I was only given the option to subscribe to it yearly. 
My subscription ends in November and I plan to renew it, but for now I don't 
need to worry. But how do you select the monthly option or is that really not a 
thing?

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> On Mar 11, 2020, at 5:45 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tend to avoid word processors altogether. I usually write my documents in 
> Markdown (for simpler material), or in LaTeX (for more complex texts, such as 
> papers intended for submission to scholarly journals).
>  
> I sometimes review or edit a colleague’s work in a word processor, or use it 
> for simple documents, but not for serious writing projects.
>  
> From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of Bradford 
> Snyder 
> Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 16:29
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Word Processors recommendation
>  
> Text Edit is a nice option but it is pretty basic.  I have also experienced 
> issues with MS Word documents loosing certain types of formatting, such as 
> numbering and other formatting options that are not supported by Text Edit.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
>  
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 13:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I use Pages and TextEdit.  I forgot to mention TextEdit before.  It can open 
> and save to Word, although you can't do as fancy of formatting as in Word or 
> Pages.
>  
> Later...
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 13:50, Eric Caron  > wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Tim and others,
>>  
>> My current computer only version of Microsoft Word 
>> application seems to have some glitches.  The longer my documents are the 
>> more issues that seem to crop up.  Mostly focus issues.
>>  
>> Pages being an Apple product, I’m hoping would be a better experience, but 
>> then I have the export issues.
>>  
>> Microsoft 365 is unknown to me, but I’ve not found getting the exchange 
>> account a easy process and am concerned I get the product to find it is 
>> glitchy.
>>  I’m reassured with the comment that it is accessible. 
>>  
>> I’d love to know what word processors Mac-Visionaries are using?  
>>  
>> I want to keep my documents simple and having a mix of Dox and Pages isn’t 
>> appealing, however, Pages might be the more reliable package and worth the 
>> extra steps when needed. 
>>  
>> Are there any special advantages to Microsoft 365 I might not know about?
>>  
>> So, what is the word processor my fellow Mac users on list rely on?
>>  
>> Eric Caron 
>>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Pages, Keynote and Numbers are all totally accessible.  If you plan on 
>>> sharing a document created in Pages with someone who is a Microsoft Office 
>>> user, then you'll still need to export it to a Word document (.DOCX).  
>>> Pages is an Apple product, not a Microsoft product and thus I doubt that 
>>> this will ever change.  Office 365 is quite accessible on the Mac.  Others 
>>> may be able to give you more specifics, but it is totally usable now from a 
>>> VO prospective.  Pages is free, so deciding whether you wish to purchase a 
>>> subscription to Office 365 vs using Apple's suite is your call.
>>>  
>>> Later...
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>  
>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:16, Eric Caron >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Working on getting my Mac in a stronger working order.
>>> 
>>> I have not updated the operating system as my current Microsoft app is 34 
>>> bit and I don’t have a clue where the registration info is.  I purchased my 
>>> copy many years ago and had a difficult time getting it installed.  I 
>>> accidentally selected the 34 bit version.
>>> 
>>> I understand if I move to the latest Mac operating system it will no longer 
>>> work. 
>>> 
>>> So I’m considering Microsoft 365. 
>>> 
>>> What is the word processor of choice these days?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I’m wondering if Pages has improved over the years so. That I don’t 
>>> need Microsoft work for Mac or Microsoft 365.

RE: google notification re apple event

I find drinking it causes headaches but I’ve never had byting from it.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Friday, 13 March 2020 6:07 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: google notification re apple event

Hi!
No but it won’t surprise me.
Corona is coming to bite ya!
/A

12 mars 2020 kl. 08:53 skrev Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:

Hi Lists,

I’ve cross posted to get this to everyone,

I’ve been doing some hunting online using chrome as my browser,

While I was searching a auto popup from chrome spoke to me saying that the 
March Apple event has been cancelled.
Has anyone else heard this as yet?

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Re: Word Processors recommendation

2020-03-12 Thread Bradford Snyder

I got my Office365 directly from Microsoft several years ago.  When I got it, 
there were 2 options, monthly or yearly.  I went with yearly.
Now Office365 is available through the Mac AppStore, and I guess the only 
option available is monthly, though I’ve never given it a good look because 
I’ve already got it.

- Brad -



On Mar 12, 2020, at 22:57, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hey there. I know I'm late to the party, but as to the subscribing to Office 
365 yearly or monthly, I was only given the option to subscribe to it yearly. 
My subscription ends in November and I plan to renew it, but for now I don't 
need to worry. But how do you select the monthly option or is that really not a 
thing?

Regards,
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> On Mar 11, 2020, at 5:45 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I tend to avoid word processors altogether. I usually write my documents in 
> Markdown (for simpler material), or in LaTeX (for more complex texts, such as 
> papers intended for submission to scholarly journals).
>  
> I sometimes review or edit a colleague’s work in a word processor, or use it 
> for simple documents, but not for serious writing projects.
>  
> From: Macvisionaries  > on behalf of Bradford Snyder 
> mailto:wb...@swbell.net>>
> Reply-To: Macvisionaries  >
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 16:29
> To: Macvisionaries  >
> Subject: Re: Word Processors recommendation
>  
> Text Edit is a nice option but it is pretty basic.  I have also experienced 
> issues with MS Word documents loosing certain types of formatting, such as 
> numbering and other formatting options that are not supported by Text Edit.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
>  
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 13:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I use Pages and TextEdit.  I forgot to mention TextEdit before.  It can open 
> and save to Word, although you can't do as fancy of formatting as in Word or 
> Pages.
>  
> Later...
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 13:50, Eric Caron  > wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Tim and others,
>>  
>> My current computer only version of Microsoft Word 
>> application seems to have some glitches.  The longer my documents are the 
>> more issues that seem to crop up.  Mostly focus issues.
>>  
>> Pages being an Apple product, I’m hoping would be a better experience, but 
>> then I have the export issues.
>>  
>> Microsoft 365 is unknown to me, but I’ve not found getting the exchange 
>> account a easy process and am concerned I get the product to find it is 
>> glitchy.
>>  I’m reassured with the comment that it is accessible. 
>>  
>> I’d love to know what word processors Mac-Visionaries are using?  
>>  
>> I want to keep my documents simple and having a mix of Dox and Pages isn’t 
>> appealing, however, Pages might be the more reliable package and worth the 
>> extra steps when needed. 
>>  
>> Are there any special advantages to Microsoft 365 I might not know about?
>>  
>> So, what is the word processor my fellow Mac users on list rely on?
>>  
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Pages, Keynote and Numbers are all totally accessible.  If you plan on 
>>> sharing a document created in Pages with someone who is a Microsoft Office 
>>> user, then you'll still need to export it to a Word document (.DOCX).  
>>> Pages is an Apple product, not a Microsoft product and thus I doubt that 
>>> this will ever change.  Office 365 is quite accessible on the Mac.  Others 
>>> may be able to give you more specifics, but it is totally usable now from a 
>>> VO prospective.  Pages is free, so deciding whether you wish to purchase a 
>>> subscription to Office 365 vs using Apple's suite is your call.
>>>  
>>> Later...
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>  
>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:16, Eric Caron >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Working on getting my Mac in a stronger working order.
>>>

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RE: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Hi Petrus,

Now I’m confused,

You purchased tones from itunes store on your phone for your phone or your mac 
book?

If they are on your phone why do you need them on your mac book?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 13 March 2020 9:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in order 
to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same file type 
for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?


On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can customize 
these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to customize the same 
sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.

So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as long 
as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the AIFF 
audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your Desktop, 
then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO keys pressed 
and go down to the Library item and activate with return or VO-space.  Now, 
your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the Sounds folder, open 
it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this location, go back into 
the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane you'll have that new 
sound as an option.

If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to me 
off-list and I'll convert it for you.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,
That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail app 
are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only around 9 
options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that difficult to 
let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own iTunes Store to 
our Mac’s?
I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t like 
getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.


On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed them 
into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from when 
making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly vague in my 
description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is deeper in the 
System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I can't remember 
for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System Integrity Protection to 
do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The tone choices did appear in 
Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did not play.  I either got no 
sound at all, or it switched back to the default alert sound.  Again, I'm not 
positive.  I gave up for now.

So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, and 
not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it again in 
Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

So, can you explain how to do this.

- Brad -



On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need to 
be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF files, 
but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days.

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Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

2020-03-12 Thread Bradford Snyder

He wants to get the ringtones he purchase from iTunes off of his iPhone and put 
a copy on his Mac.

- Brad -



On Mar 12, 2020, at 23:38, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Petrus,
 
Now I’m confused,
 
You purchased tones from itunes store on your phone for your phone or your mac 
book?
 
If they are on your phone why do you need them on your mac book?
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 13 March 2020 9:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac
 
Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in order 
to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same file type 
for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?


On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
Hi Petrus,
 
Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can customize 
these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to customize the same 
sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.
 
So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as long 
as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the AIFF 
audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your Desktop, 
then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO keys pressed 
and go down to the Library item and activate with return or VO-space.  Now, 
your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the Sounds folder, open 
it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this location, go back into 
the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane you'll have that new 
sound as an option.
 
If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to me 
off-list and I'll convert it for you.
 
HTH.
 
Later...
 

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi Tim, 
That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail app 
are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only around 9 
options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that difficult to 
let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own iTunes Store to 
our Mac’s? 
I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t like 
getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.


On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
Hi,
 
A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed them 
into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from when 
making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly vague in my 
description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is deeper in the 
System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I can't remember 
for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System Integrity Protection to 
do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The tone choices did appear in 
Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did not play.  I either got no 
sound at all, or it switched back to the default alert sound.  Again, I'm not 
positive.  I gave up for now.
 
So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, and 
not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it again in 
Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.
 
Later...
 

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
 
So, can you explain how to do this.

- Brad -



On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need to 
be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF files, 
but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days.

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RE: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Oh, I see Petrus,

You want the tones you’ve purchased  on your phone
To be on your mac book as tones on there,

Is there away now to download purchased items from itunes on your phone on to 
your mac book?

Tim, can petrus not just download what he has purchased  via his phone on to 
his notebook like you use to through itunes?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 13 March 2020 9:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

Never mind, it all sounds too hard.
I’ll just have to stick with the sounds that come on the Mac. Hopefully one 
Apple will let us download extra sounds from the iTunes Store to the Mac.


On 13/03/2020, at 09:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

Nope.  The ring-tones are m4r format whereas the alert-tones on the Mac are 
AIFF.  If these are tones that you've purchased, then it will be a little more 
challenging to make into an AiFF audio file, but not normally impossible.

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:31, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in order 
to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same file type 
for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?


On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can customize 
these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to customize the same 
sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.

So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as long 
as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the AIFF 
audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your Desktop, 
then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO keys pressed 
and go down to the Library item and activate with return or VO-space.  Now, 
your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the Sounds folder, open 
it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this location, go back into 
the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane you'll have that new 
sound as an option.

If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to me 
off-list and I'll convert it for you.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,
That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail app 
are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only around 9 
options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that difficult to 
let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own iTunes Store to 
our Mac’s?
I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t like 
getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.


On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed them 
into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from when 
making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly vague in my 
description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is deeper in the 
System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I can't remember 
for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System Integrity Protection to 
do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The tone choices did appear in 
Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did not play.  I either got no 
sound at all, or it switched back to the default alert sound.  Again, I'm not 
positive.  I gave up for now.

So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, and 
not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it again in 
Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

So, can you explain how

RE: Incoming email sounds on the Mac