RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

I thought the home pod had airplay 2 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brent Harding
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 10:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I wonder if the Home Pod will support Airplay for the times when you have to 
play stuff from the phone, such as Tunein Premium, Netflix/Hulu audio, etc? 
Not even the Echo Dot will probably get the sports stuff on Tunein Premium, so 
the phone will have to be the middle man again once football season starts 
again.

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From: "Simon Fogarty" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:20 AM
Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?


I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and the home 
pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to purchase one or 
even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the home pods do and all 
from my phone.-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
To: Mac Group 
Cc: Terje Strømberg 
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?

Take care

> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
>
> Scott,
>   I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was 
> no longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>
>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>>  Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know
>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason
>>> I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
 my opinion.

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>
> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
> get numbers or punctuation.
>
> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>
> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
> had the bucks.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
>> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>>
>>> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 
>>> 11.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.

 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store
 shelf but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to
 have 18 cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory
 is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts a

>>>
>>> --
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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

As displayed in the presentation of high sierra 
 The iMac Pro will be for the wing nut staff / creators of virtual reality or 
augmented reality video.

 Not something we mortals would really get the best use from but hell it would 
make a great machine for bootcamping windows 10 on.
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 11:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing power 
is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or video.

It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.

Jeff

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a personal 
> computer is ridiculous.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that 
>> if I had some type of major video production company. At least you know it 
>> should be future proof bro.
>> 
>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>>> 
>>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
>>> the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>>> 
>>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
 machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
> well,
> 
> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run 
> from mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back 
> of the machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with 
> magsafe power connectivity
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
> Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I 
> have plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not 
> really unplugged it much so I forgot.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>> 
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
> 
> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive 
> Apple watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind 
> of money to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch 
> next time if the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
> 
> Anyway, I went to have a look at the M

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
works and works well.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move our 
two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones inside.  
Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
> To: Mac Group 
> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
>> 
>> Scott,
>>  I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>> 
>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
>>> TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
>>> in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>> 
 On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Scott,
 Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
 what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
 reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
 Send it to me. (smiles)
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
 world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
 mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in my 
> opinion.
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>> get numbers or punctuation.
>> 
>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>> 
>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>> had the bucks.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
>>> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 
 11.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
 world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
 your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> 
> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store 
> shelf but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to 
> have 18 cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video 
> memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts a
> 
 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chuck,

 I thought the new imac pro started being released in December, I'm sure they 
said the iMac pro had 4 USB C / Thunderbolt 3 ports on the back, enough for 2 
external 5 k screens and 2 high performance raid arrays 
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Hi Simon,

Interesting.
I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is its 
release date?
What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be cool 
also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my pro tools 
HDX cards.

GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple CR

On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
> 
> Up to 18 core processors,
> Intel xeon range,
> And up to 128 GB ram.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> Hi Chris,
> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
> be apple went early?
> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>> model.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into 
>>> video creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really 
>>> nothing exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has 
>>> had that for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The 
>>> files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker 
>>> to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser 
>>> scale,  I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use 
>>> spotify and my itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the 
>>> notebooks are just an increase in processor type / quality up to the 
>>> cabielake, Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>> 
>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>> 
>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>> 
>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>> 
>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>> 
>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
>>> cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.
>>> Granted the device starts a
>>> 
>> 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Oh and also a 10Gigabit ethernet port, first on a Mac desktop machine.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Hi Simon,

Interesting.
I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is its 
release date?
What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be cool 
also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my pro tools 
HDX cards.

GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple CR

On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
> 
> Up to 18 core processors,
> Intel xeon range,
> And up to 128 GB ram.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> Hi Chris,
> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
> be apple went early?
> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>> model.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into 
>>> video creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really 
>>> nothing exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has 
>>> had that for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The 
>>> files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker 
>>> to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser 
>>> scale,  I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use 
>>> spotify and my itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the 
>>> notebooks are just an increase in processor type / quality up to the 
>>> cabielake, Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>> 
>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
>>> said, Holy bad ass batman!
>>> 
>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>> 
>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>> 
>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>> 
>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
>>> cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.
>>> Granted the device starts a
>>> 
>> 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

You guys need to check out pricing for digital products in NZ,
 Have a look at the apple pricing on the www.apple.co.nz site,
 Don't drink alcohol first as you'll probably throw up at the pricing we have.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 1:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Lenron, amazon fire TV is less expensive than Apple.  The fire stick is only 
$35 if memory serves and the full fire TV set top box is $99.

 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:13 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Apple 3g tv was great the 4g ucks. Siri is ok and a couple other 
> things. Might look in to trading up to the amazon fire tv soonish.
> 
> On 6/6/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> Actually, the TV app misses some things.  In my experience, when you 
>> get recommendations based on other things you have watched, they are 
>> not accessible with Voiceover.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> TV app works fine.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 4:25 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> You raise an interesting point.  Thinking about Netflix, I wonder 
>>> how the phone app and the TV app compare.  I have the app on my 
>>> phone, but never use it.  I may have to check it out further just out of 
>>> curiosity.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Scott Granados 
 
 wrote:
 
 I think it depends on how the accessibility is implemented.  Issues 
 on Apple may not exist on Android and vise versa.  Just a guess but 
 I suspect that’s part of it.  Also, Apple has not done nearly as 
 good of a job insisting on accessibility on the TV unit as they 
 have on the phone in my opinion.
 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> that's interesting.  Given that the same issue of app developers 
> building--or not building in accessibility, it would seem that 
> apps that have problems on one device would have problems on the other.
> 
> As for 3 vs. 4th gen, it's true the 3rd gen was a cleaner 
> interface but it also didn't try to do as much.  I like the keypad 
> on the 4th, and the addition of Siri.  I also like the touchpad, 
> for me it makes many things more efficient.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Scott Granados 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The apps are far more hit and miss in my experience than the fire TV.
>> Not sure what’s at work there.  THere’s just simple stuff like 
>> consistently getting the code read to you that you use to 
>> register with the provider to stream live content.  My local 
>> channels apps like CBS work more consistently and accessibly in 
>> my experience.  I’m a much bigger fan of the generation 3 than 
>> the 4.  The 3 was much cleaner and didn’t depend on 3rd parties as much.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How do you figure the accessibility sucks?  I mean, it's true, 
>>> the 3rd-party apps can be dicey, as they depend on whether the 
>>> developer has made them accessible.  But I have no accessibility 
>>> gripes  with the Apple TV itself.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados 
  wrote:
 
 So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself 
 prefer the 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
 
 The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The 
 Amazon fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of 
 graphics and processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more 
 consistent.
 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. 
> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not 
> know what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. 
> One reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 
> 3rd. Got a 4th? Send it to me. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a 
>> better unit in my opinion.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. 
>>> wrote:
>>

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Scott,

 Both,
USB C and that of course is also doubled as Thunderbolt 3 I do beleave there is 
only 2 of them on the iMac where as 4 of them on the iMac Pro.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 1:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving to 
USB-C which is why I ask.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> Interesting.
> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> its release date?
> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> pro tools HDX cards.
> 
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple CR
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>> 
>> Up to 18 core processors,
>> Intel xeon range,
>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into 
 video creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really 
 nothing exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE 
 has had that for years / versions, So has firefox and google 
 chrome, The files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the 
 home speaker to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers 
 but on a lesser scale,  I don't always have apple music signed up 
 to but do use spotify and my itunes music library  As for the hardware, 
 well the notebooks are just an increase in processor type / quality up to 
 the cabielake, Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
 
 The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
 said, Holy bad ass batman!
 
 The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
 Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
 
 Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
 
 And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
 Granados
 Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
 To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
 
 Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
 but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
 cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.
 Granted the device starts a
 
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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

I've just setup a new Mac computer for work,

 It cost me $15  NZ dollars and runs sierra 10.12.5,
 I can take it anywhere in a pocket so long as I can find a Mac computer to use 
when I get tto my location,
 Yeah ok it's Mac OS sierra installed to a 32GB USB flash drive and I just use 
it in all machines I use around work, that way I have all my settins the way I 
want them.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 2:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

It's funny to think that a machine that looks so lame now, cost that much 
money.  But that is the way it was. You're right, it was a whole different 
world.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they fell 
> off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.
> 
> My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 K 
> floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering clock card 
> (because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide accurate 
> clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which were each a card 
> and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 megabyte hard disk (cider 
> drive) and a Midi interface for controlling keyboards.  Whole shooting match 
> got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 11 or 12 at the time, took summer jobs 
> and worked after school to save up and buy the hardware.  The processor was 
> all of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and I had a special card just to display 80 columns 
> per screen instead of 40.  The screen output was composite video.:). That 
> doesn’t even compare to the processor and hardware that control the light bar 
> on the new MacBooks let alone the MacBooks themselves.  Learned a whole hell 
> of a lot about electronics then though and used that same setup for almost 9 
> years.  
> 
> Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things sense.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the early 
>> days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so excited when I 
>> bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  Nowadays, that's just 
>> laughable.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the day 
>>> and got far far less for the money.
>>> 
>>> The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I customized 
>>> one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of SSD.  They 
>>> still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations though.
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
 else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
 reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
 machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
 personal computer is ridiculous.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy 
> that if I had some type of major video production company. At least you 
> know it should be future proof bro.
> 
> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Scott, your crazy dude,
>> 
>> Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
>> 
>> When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and 
>> price the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
>> Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
>> Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of 
>> laptops
>> 
>> BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
>> 
>> Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
>>> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
 On 5 Jun 2017, a

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

No, other way around,
USB C can also double as thunderbolt 3,
Then you can get a thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt 2 adaptor which allows you to 
use a tb 2 cable with it.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 3:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Now that’s just stupid.:)

Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 2?  
Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.

Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.


On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all.

My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados 
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving to 
USB-C which is why I ask.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
> mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> Interesting.
> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> its release date?
> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> pro tools HDX cards.
>
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> CR
>
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>>
>> Up to 18 core processors,
>> Intel xeon range,
>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>  On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
 creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
 exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
 for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app
 / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is
 just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I
 don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
 itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an 
 increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I think 
 the notebooks are lacking in features.

 The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have
 said, Holy bad ass batman!

 The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
 Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,

 Although I don't need a 5K screen res.

 And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
 From: 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
  On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
 To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
 Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

 So what does everyone think of the announcements.

 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf
 but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores
 and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.
 Granted the device starts a

>>>
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

But remember all the mac computers are upgradable or customisable from the 
factory,
 And solidering to the main board allows them to save space making things 
thinner / lighter,
 And apple aren't the only ones doing this now.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 4:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Really with Apple’s business models lately you’re not supposed to upgrade the 
hardware.  No user serviceable parts inside and all that.  They hard solder a 
lot to the boards now.  This gets you to buy a whole new unit.  I don’t like 
this strategy but there you go, my portfolio does but I don’t.  I’d be 
surprised if the new Mac Pro is hugely upgradable, I hope I’m wrong.


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
> They have already announced that there will be a modular Mac Pro but that it 
> wouldn't be ready this year.  I've never heard a release date.
> There is know way that an all in one can take it's place.  An iMac is not as 
> configurable or upgradable over time.  That is essentially why the trash can 
> failed.
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 07:47, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> Interesting.
> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> its release date?
> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> pro tools HDX cards.
> 
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple CR
> 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>> 
>> Up to 18 core processors,
>> Intel xeon range,
>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into 
 video creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really 
 nothing exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE 
 has had that for years / versions, So has firefox and google 
 chrome, The files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the 
 home speaker to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers 
 but on a lesser scale,  I don't always have apple music signed up 
 to but do use spotify and my itunes music library  As for the hardware, 
 well the notebooks are just an increase in processor type / quality up to 
 the cabielake, Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
 
 The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have 
 said, Holy bad ass batman!
 
 The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
 Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
 
 Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
 
 And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
 Granados
 Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
 To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
 
 Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
 but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
 cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.
 Granted the device starts a
 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Buy the adaptor,
And it is the same setup for the new mac book and mac book pros.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 6:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I guess that’s interesting but it seems almost in the why bother file.  Still, 
good to know.  Funny how they changed the adapter shaped so all my old 
thunderbolt doesn’t fit.:)

On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Tim Kilburn 
mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Yeah, it sounds like there's some smart chip sorts of stuff in the port or 
cabling that determines the device and interface then proceeds from there.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:38, Scott Granados 
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So what does it just figure out what’s plugged in because I’ve plugged native 
USB-C in to the ports and it works.

Clever if not confusing.

On Jun 7, 2017, at 12:02 PM, Tim Kilburn 
mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Actually, USB C and Thunderbolt 3 are different transfer protocols, but can use 
the same cable.  It's kind of a standardization of cabling, but still a 
different data transfer system.  Thunderbolt is supposedly faster and has more 
back and forth traffic capabilities.

Some info at this link:

https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2017, at 09:51, Scott Granados 
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Now that’s just stupid.:)

Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 2?  
Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.

Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.


On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all.

My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados 
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving to 
USB-C which is why I ask.

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
> mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> Interesting.
> I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> its release date?
> What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> pro tools HDX cards.
>
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> CR
>
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
>>
>> Up to 18 core processors,
>> Intel xeon range,
>> And up to 128 GB ram.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>  On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
 creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
 exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
 for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app
 / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is
 just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I
 don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
 itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an 
 increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I think 
 the notebooks are lacking in features.

 The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have
 said, Holy bad ass batman!

 The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
 Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,

 Although I don't need a 5K screen res.

 And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
 From: 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Yeah it's all part of the marvel commics family,
 What gets me is the great music they use for the theams 
 Go the 80s.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 6:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Isn't it great!  Both the Guardians movies have been fun.  I was glad to see 
they're clearly planning on a part 3.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> What a great movie, I went to the movie in IMAX and it was fantastic.  
> Then again, a test pattern in IMAX is pretty good.;)
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep.  We went to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Sunday, and I had to 
>> laugh when they were talking about the protagonist's Walkman.  When I 
>> went to study in Spain as a college student, I allocated way to much 
>> of my luggage space to bringing cassettes with me.  Kind of nice that 
>> that's a thing of the past.  You're right, it was a whole other world 
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good ol Moore’s law, everything gets faster, cheaper and better 
>>> exponentially.  Remember spending $300+ on a walkman or how about hundreds 
>>> for a digital watch.  Talking calculators were $600, Kurzweil Reading 
>>> machines $50,000, GPS navigation, $10,000 and on and on.  Today I can do 
>>> all that with my phone, faster and better than the original products ever 
>>> dreamed.
>>> 
>>> There’s a scene in the recent Steve Jobs movie where he’s talking to his 
>>> daughter and she has a cassette walkman.  Steve says “We’re going to 
>>> replace that in your pocket with 500 to 1000 songs, we’re not savages we 
>>> don’t need cassettes”. It’s so true.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 It's funny to think that a machine that looks so lame now, cost that much 
 money.  But that is the way it was. You're right, it was a whole different 
 world.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they 
> fell off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.
> 
> My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 
> K floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering clock 
> card (because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide 
> accurate clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which 
> were each a card and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 
> megabyte hard disk (cider drive) and a Midi interface for controlling 
> keyboards.  Whole shooting match got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 11 
> or 12 at the time, took summer jobs and worked after school to save up 
> and buy the hardware.  The processor was all of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and I 
> had a special card just to display 80 columns per screen instead of 40.  
> The screen output was composite video.:). That doesn’t even compare to 
> the processor and hardware that control the light bar on the new MacBooks 
> let alone the MacBooks themselves.  Learned a whole hell of a lot about 
> electronics then though and used that same setup for almost 9 years.  
> 
> Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things 
> sense.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the 
>> early days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so 
>> excited when I bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  
>> Nowadays, that's just laughable.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the 
>>> day and got far far less for the money.
>>> 
>>> The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I 
>>> customized one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of 
>>> SSD.  They still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations 
>>> though.
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As 
 someone else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for 
 some other reason had those financial resources and the need for such 
 a high end machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  
 $10,000 for a personal computer is ridiculous.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  
> wrote:
> 
>

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

 I'll be interested to hear how you find them.

 I'm interested to see when they turn up here in NZ,
I know austrailia is one of the first to receive them but will NZ be included 
in the same group.

They will cost more than the sonos play 1 here though, so will need to be 
bloody good quality sound to get me to buy one.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 5:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I agree. We were thinking of acquiring a few more Sonos speakers to fully fill 
the house. We are now going to wait until the HomePod is released and see how 
it sounds, and how well we might be able to intigrate it with the Sonos system.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 7/06/2017, at 22:01, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>> To: Mac Group 
>> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
>> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
>> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
>> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
 
 The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
 TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
 in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
> Send it to me. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>> my opinion.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>> 
>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>> 
>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>>> had the bucks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
 excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 
> 11.
> 
> From E.T.'s Ke

sos tone from mac book

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Listers,

I've got a mac book from approx. 2008 2009, it's a 13" notebook and when I 
power it on it gives a tone like S.O.S but reversed three long tones three 
short and then three long again,

I've taken out the ram and replaced it including with incorrect ram which gives 
a 3 tone chime which keeps going on and on and twhen the ram was corrected it 
went back to the S.O.S tone,

There doesn't appear to be any text on the screen

Does anyone have any idea what might be hpappening with this machine.

It has been powered off for approx. 12 months and last time it was used was to 
migrate data from it to a new mac book air.

I'd love to get this machine up and running again if anyone can give me info on 
what is possibly happening.

Cheers,


Simon F

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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Simon,
Good info.
My Card cage for the avid pro tools HDX system only goes up to thunderbolt 2 so 
I'll half to adapt that i guess! :)
GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple!
C.R.


On Jun 8, 2017, at 5:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> No, other way around,
> USB C can also double as thunderbolt 3,
> Then you can get a thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt 2 adaptor which allows you to 
> use a tb 2 cable with it.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 3:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>  
> Now that’s just stupid.:)
>  
> Really, they call USB-C thunderbolt 3.  Let’s all call USB 3.0 thunderbolt 2? 
>  Maybe ethernet should be speedy-network3.
>  
> Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking.
>  
>  
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>  
> I believe they call USB-C Thunderbolt 3 just to confuse us all. 
>  
> My memory is that there are two usb-c on  the iMac and 4 on the iMac Pro.
>  
> Best Wishes,
>  
> Jonathan Cohn
>  
>  
> On 7 June 2017 at 09:48, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Is the new iMac coming with thunderbolt or USB-C?  Apple seems to be moving 
> to USB-C which is why I ask.
> 
> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > Interesting.
> > I thought I read before that the mac pro would continue and next January is 
> > its release date?
> > What I need most is the "tons" of thunderbolt  jacks, card slots would be 
> > cool also but I can still use my external thunderbolt card cage to hold my 
> > pro tools HDX cards.
> >
> > GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> > CR
> >
> > On Jun 7, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> >
> >> Yes but built in to an iMac body,
> >>
> >> Up to 18 core processors,
> >> Intel xeon range,
> >> And up to 128 GB ram.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:33 AM
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> >>
> >> Hi Chris,
> >> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> >> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought 
> >> may be apple went early?
> >> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> >> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
> >>> model.
> >>>
> >>> CB
> >>>
> >>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>  Yeah can't say I was overly impressed, Great stuff if your into video
>  creation / editing or virtual reality creation but really nothing
>  exciting Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that
>  for years / versions, So has firefox and google chrome, The files app
>  / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to me is
>  just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,  I
>  don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my
>  itunes music library  As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just 
>  an increase in processor type / quality up to the cabielake, Still I 
>  think the notebooks are lacking in features.
> 
>  The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have
>  said, Holy bad ass batman!
> 
>  The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>  Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
> 
>  Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
> 
>  And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,
>  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>  Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>  To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>  
>  Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
>  So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> 
>  Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf
>  but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores
>  and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.
>  Granted the device starts a
> 
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Re: sos tone from mac book

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Simon. This means that your EFI ROM is corrupted, and the computer is in EFI 
rom recovery mode. Unfortunately, this mode is not accessible, and since your 
computer is not new enough, it does not recover on its own. You need a restore 
CD which you can obtain through Apple. I suggest contacting them.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 6:03 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Listers,
>  
> I’ve got a mac book from approx. 2008 2009, it’s a 13” notebook and when I 
> power it on it gives a tone like S.O.S but reversed three long tones three 
> short and then three long again,
>  
> I’ve taken out the ram and replaced it including with incorrect ram which 
> gives a 3 tone chime which keeps going on and on and twhen the ram was 
> corrected it went back to the S.O.S tone,
>  
> There doesn’t appear to be any text on the screen
>  
> Does anyone have any idea what might be hpappening with this machine.
>  
> It has been powered off for approx. 12 months and last time it was used was 
> to migrate data from it to a new mac book air.
>  
> I’d love to get this machine up and running again if anyone can give me info 
> on what is possibly happening.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My MacBook 
Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my room, but 
when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air does not 
have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 inches with 16 
gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches has a 
processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 inches, that 
only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook Air 11 inches 
is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  a 2015 MacBook 
Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use to the touch bar 
at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   and I'm not willing 
to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from you soon! Thanks so much 
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> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
> 
> 
> Sandie.
> 
>> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA
>> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
>> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
>> on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
>> you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
>> bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
>>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
>>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
>>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
>>> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>>The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
>>> below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
>>> touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
>>> start or stop voice over.
>>>The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on the
>>> Mac proper.
>>>The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my previous
>>> adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C instead
>>> of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on all the phones
>>> and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size difference so
>>> I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included
>>> cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit in
>>> the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
>>>While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM
>>> jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you have to use
>>> different headphones.
>>>The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s very fast
>>> and the new processors do very well running virtual images.  But it’s just
>>> not fun to use.  My mid 2015 model is so much more enjoyable to type on
>>> and all my cables work.  Apple your laptops this year are a miss in my
>>> opinion.  I won’t go back to windows but I bet I could be convinced to try
>>> chrome books or something else.
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, why 
not switch?
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
> works and works well.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>> To: Mac Group 
>> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
>> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
>> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
>> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
 
 The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
 TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
 in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
> Send it to me. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>> my opinion.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>> 
>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>> 
>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>>> had the bucks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
 excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 
> 11.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
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> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Donna Goodin]

I know.  It's fun to hear some of those songs again.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:44 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Yeah it's all part of the marvel commics family,
> What gets me is the great music they use for the theams 
> Go the 80s.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 6:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> Isn't it great!  Both the Guardians movies have been fun.  I was glad to see 
> they're clearly planning on a part 3.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> What a great movie, I went to the movie in IMAX and it was fantastic.  
>> Then again, a test pattern in IMAX is pretty good.;)
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep.  We went to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Sunday, and I had to 
>>> laugh when they were talking about the protagonist's Walkman.  When I 
>>> went to study in Spain as a college student, I allocated way to much 
>>> of my luggage space to bringing cassettes with me.  Kind of nice that 
>>> that's a thing of the past.  You're right, it was a whole other world 
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Good ol Moore’s law, everything gets faster, cheaper and better 
 exponentially.  Remember spending $300+ on a walkman or how about hundreds 
 for a digital watch.  Talking calculators were $600, Kurzweil Reading 
 machines $50,000, GPS navigation, $10,000 and on and on.  Today I can do 
 all that with my phone, faster and better than the original products ever 
 dreamed.
 
 There’s a scene in the recent Steve Jobs movie where he’s talking to his 
 daughter and she has a cassette walkman.  Steve says “We’re going to 
 replace that in your pocket with 500 to 1000 songs, we’re not savages we 
 don’t need cassettes”. It’s so true.
 
 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> It's funny to think that a machine that looks so lame now, cost that much 
> money.  But that is the way it was. You're right, it was a whole 
> different world.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We probably had a similar laptop.  I liked Toshiba back in the day, they 
>> fell off years ago but for a while they had top shelf hardware.
>> 
>> My first computer was an Apple 2E with the upgraded 128K memory, two 180 
>> K floppy drives, Apple Cat 300/1200 baud modem, applied engineering 
>> clock card (because you needed a separate clock to tell time and provide 
>> accurate clocking), z80 CPM emulator card, several serial ports which 
>> were each a card and a Disk drive controller card.  Also had a 40 
>> megabyte hard disk (cider drive) and a Midi interface for controlling 
>> keyboards.  Whole shooting match got me close to 7 grand.  I was about 
>> 11 or 12 at the time, took summer jobs and worked after school to save 
>> up and buy the hardware.  The processor was all of 0.996 MHz, 8 bit and 
>> I had a special card just to display 80 columns per screen instead of 
>> 40.  The screen output was composite video.:). That doesn’t even compare 
>> to the processor and hardware that control the light bar on the new 
>> MacBooks let alone the MacBooks themselves.  Learned a whole hell of a 
>> lot about electronics then though and used that same setup for almost 9 
>> years.  
>> 
>> Funny how distant that seems now and how far we’ve engineered things 
>> sense.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> lol  I never spent that much, but you're right, computers back in the 
>>> early days cost a chunk of change.  And yeah, I remember being so 
>>> excited when I bought a Toshiba laptop that had a 20 mb hard drive.  
>>> Nowadays, that's just laughable.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Some of us spent almost that much on our first computers back in the 
 day and got far far less for the money.
 
 The regular iMac line seems to have had a refresh as well.  I 
 customized one and came in under 5 grand with 64 GB of ram and a TB of 
 SSD.  They still start at 1099 or so for the basic configurations 
 though.
 
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As 
> someone else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or 
> for some other reason had those financial resources and the need for 
>

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Regarding 2.7 vs 2.1 processor speed, you need to be careful just looking at 
numbers.  I have rooms full of 3.06 GHz iMacs at work that I guarantee wouldn't 
stand up at all to even a 1.7 GHz MacBook Air.  the number is only one portion 
of the equation.  There's the number of cores, the grade of processor, bus 
speed etc.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My MacBook 
Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my room, but 
when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air does not 
have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 inches with 16 
gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches has a 
processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 inches, that 
only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook Air 11 inches 
is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  a 2015 MacBook 
Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use to the touch bar 
at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   and I'm not willing 
to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from you soon! Thanks so much 
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On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse mailto:sandi1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
> 
> 
> Sandie.
> 
> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA
>> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
>> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
>> on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
>> you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
>> bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados >> >
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
>>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
>>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
>>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
>>> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>>The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
>>> below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
>>> touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
>>> start or stop voice over.
>>>The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on the
>>> Mac proper.
>>>The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my previous
>>> adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C instead
>>> of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on all the phones
>>> and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size difference so
>>> I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included
>>> cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit in
>>> the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
>>>While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM
>>> jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning 

love, love, love the AirPods!

[Donna Goodin]

So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair.  Gotta 
say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This is what I am 
used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more intrigued about the 
HomePods.
Cheers,
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Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

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Hi,
What makes me a bit hesitant to buy a pair of airpods is the battery time which 
isn’t so impressing if one compares with a Plantronics headset, but if they are 
comfortable to wear and has good sound, maybe one should try them after all.
/Krister

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> So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair.  Gotta 
> say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This is what I 
> am used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more intrigued about 
> the HomePods.
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Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

[Oriol Gómez]

battery life?
The case has over 24 hours of battery time, i find myself going on for
about a week! before i have to charge...

HTH

On 6/8/17, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> Hi,
> What makes me a bit hesitant to buy a pair of airpods is the battery time
> which isn’t so impressing if one compares with a Plantronics headset, but if
> they are comfortable to wear and has good sound, maybe one should try them
> after all.
> /Krister
>
>> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:13 skrev Donna Goodin :
>>
>> So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair.
>> Gotta say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This is
>> what I am used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more
>> intrigued about the HomePods.
>> Cheers,
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Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

[Donna Goodin]

I would say that would depend on how you want to use them.  I want to use them 
for work outs, for walking, for using my phone at night while my husband's 
asleep, stuff like that.  I think they're supposed to give you like 5 hours?  
For my purposes, that's plenty of time.  And remember, all you have to do to 
charge them is put them back in the case.  So if you use them for a while, then 
stop, they'll charge while you aren't using them.  But I like the sound a lot, 
and find them very comfortable to wear.  Even my husband, who's a cheap-skate 
and a skeptic, has decided after trying mine, that he's going to go buy himself 
a pair.

Like I said, everyone's usage and preferences are different.  You might want to 
do what my husband did, and find someone who will let you try theirs first.  
But I'm very happy with them.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What makes me a bit hesitant to buy a pair of airpods is the battery time 
> which isn’t so impressing if one compares with a Plantronics headset, but if 
> they are comfortable to wear and has good sound, maybe one should try them 
> after all.
> /Krister
> 
>> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:13 skrev Donna Goodin :
>> 
>> So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair.  Gotta 
>> say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This is what I 
>> am used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more intrigued about 
>> the HomePods.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

[Donna Goodin]

That's really good to know.  We've got some traveling coming up and I was 
thinking I'd like to take them, but wondered how much charge time the case has. 
 That's certainly plenty.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> 
> battery life?
> The case has over 24 hours of battery time, i find myself going on for
> about a week! before i have to charge...
> 
> HTH
> 
> On 6/8/17, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> What makes me a bit hesitant to buy a pair of airpods is the battery time
>> which isn’t so impressing if one compares with a Plantronics headset, but if
>> they are comfortable to wear and has good sound, maybe one should try them
>> after all.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:13 skrev Donna Goodin :
>>> 
>>> So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair.
>>> Gotta say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This is
>>> what I am used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more
>>> intrigued about the HomePods.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

[Lois Butterfield]

I really love mine, too.  I can listen to a book for hours, then charge them 
for 15 or 20 minutes, then not again until I leave them charging overnight. 
I can't get over how different they feel from the regular ones that came 
with my phone.  I didn't like those at all.


Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Donna Goodin

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 10:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

I would say that would depend on how you want to use them.  I want to use 
them for work outs, for walking, for using my phone at night while my 
husband's asleep, stuff like that.  I think they're supposed to give you 
like 5 hours?  For my purposes, that's plenty of time.  And remember, all 
you have to do to charge them is put them back in the case.  So if you use 
them for a while, then stop, they'll charge while you aren't using them. 
But I like the sound a lot, and find them very comfortable to wear.  Even my 
husband, who's a cheap-skate and a skeptic, has decided after trying mine, 
that he's going to go buy himself a pair.


Like I said, everyone's usage and preferences are different.  You might want 
to do what my husband did, and find someone who will let you try theirs 
first.  But I'm very happy with them.

Cheers,
Donna
On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
wrote:


Hi,
What makes me a bit hesitant to buy a pair of airpods is the battery time 
which isn’t so impressing if one compares with a Plantronics headset, but 
if they are comfortable to wear and has good sound, maybe one should try 
them after all.

/Krister


8 juni 2017 kl. 16:13 skrev Donna Goodin :

So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair. 
Gotta say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This 
is what I am used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more 
intrigued about the HomePods.

Cheers,
Donna

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Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

[Donna Goodin]

It is funny, but they do feel different.  I'm not sure why.  I don't mind the 
ones that came with the phone, but these are more comfortable.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Lois Butterfield  
> wrote:
> 
> I really love mine, too.  I can listen to a book for hours, then charge them 
> for 15 or 20 minutes, then not again until I leave them charging overnight. I 
> can't get over how different they feel from the regular ones that came with 
> my phone.  I didn't like those at all.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> -Original Message- From: Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 10:24 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: love, love, love the AirPods!
> 
> I would say that would depend on how you want to use them.  I want to use 
> them for work outs, for walking, for using my phone at night while my 
> husband's asleep, stuff like that.  I think they're supposed to give you like 
> 5 hours?  For my purposes, that's plenty of time.  And remember, all you have 
> to do to charge them is put them back in the case.  So if you use them for a 
> while, then stop, they'll charge while you aren't using them. But I like the 
> sound a lot, and find them very comfortable to wear.  Even my husband, who's 
> a cheap-skate and a skeptic, has decided after trying mine, that he's going 
> to go buy himself a pair.
> 
> Like I said, everyone's usage and preferences are different.  You might want 
> to do what my husband did, and find someone who will let you try theirs 
> first.  But I'm very happy with them.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What makes me a bit hesitant to buy a pair of airpods is the battery time 
>> which isn’t so impressing if one compares with a Plantronics headset, but if 
>> they are comfortable to wear and has good sound, maybe one should try them 
>> after all.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:13 skrev Donna Goodin :
>>> 
>>> So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair. Gotta 
>>> say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This is what I 
>>> am used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more intrigued about 
>>> the HomePods.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair with 
any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to the device 
that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play with either my 
watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
TIA,
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Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Paul Mimms]

Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
AirPods there and tap on it to pair.



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and what you make of it.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair with 
> any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to the 
> device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play with 
> either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey Helga. How do you know that it's your MBA that's responsible for the wifi 
issues you're having? I ask this because sometimes  when I'm somewhere far away 
from my modem, I get around 1 or 2 wifi bars but when I'm down here in my room, 
I get full signal. I guess what I'm saying is, it might be because your room 
might be a little far away from your modem/router. Just a thought.

Shawn
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
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> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
> touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
> Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My 
> MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my 
> room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air 
> does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 
> inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 
> inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 
> inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook 
> Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  a 
> 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use to 
> the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   and 
> I'm not willing to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from you 
> soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
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> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  > wrote:
> 
>> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
>> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
>> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
>> 
>> 
>> Sandie.
>> 
>> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA
>>> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
>>> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
>>> on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
>>> you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
>>> bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados >>> >
 wrote:
 
 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
 where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
 laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
 and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
 but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
 below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
 touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
 start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
 the
 Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my previous
 adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C instead
 of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on all the phones
 and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size difference so
 I’m for ever using the 

Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Paul,

Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my phone to 
my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I manually go in and 
switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to work, that's fine, but I 
thought they could switch without the user having to manually go in and tell 
them to.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms  wrote:
> 
> Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
> AirPods there and tap on it to pair.
> 
> 
> 
> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
> and what you make of it.
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
> 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair 
>> with any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to the 
>> device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play with 
>> either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

I’m down for some VR. I put a suit on years ago and tried out a system but it 
was pretty primitive.  Used a silicon graphics server as the head end.
 

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 5:10 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> As displayed in the presentation of high sierra 
> The iMac Pro will be for the wing nut staff / creators of virtual reality or 
> augmented reality video.
> 
> Not something we mortals would really get the best use from but hell it would 
> make a great machine for bootcamping windows 10 on.
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> That is exactly the point…The iMac Pro with up to 18 cores of processing 
> power is for a power user—such as those who would create audio and/or video.
> 
> It isn’t a personal computer for the average user.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, let me re-state: No way will I spend $10,000 on a Mac! :)  As someone 
>> else said, if I ran a professional studio of some sort, or for some other 
>> reason had those financial resources and the need for such a high end 
>> machine, then maybe.  But neither is the case for me.  $10,000 for a 
>> personal computer is ridiculous.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A mac book pro but an iMac Pro.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:03 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>> No way would I spend 10 Grand on a Mac book Pro. Only way I would buy that 
>>> if I had some type of major video production company. At least you know it 
>>> should be future proof bro.
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 Scott, your crazy dude,
 
 Yeah I'd like one but still I'm not that crazy.
 
 When the pricing comes out check out the apple.co.nz site and price 
 the fully spec'd iMac Pro.
 Yor 10K dollars is nothing compared to our pricing.
 
 
 
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
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 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?
 
 Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the 
> machine.  Is that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as 
>> well,
>> 
>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run 
>> from mains power with a single cable into the middle of the back 
>> of the machine, They have not to this point made an iMac with 
>> magsafe power connectivity
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
>> Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini 
>> does not have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I 
>> have plugged that MacMini in more than two years ago and have not 
>> really unplugged it much so I forgot.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
>>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
>>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he 

Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

[Krister Ekstrom]

This is intreaguing, you say that to charge the airpods you put them in their 
case, how do you then charge the case itself? I guess it has some kind of port 
thing. Could you charge the airpods and the case at the same time?
/Krister

> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:24 skrev Donna Goodin :
> 
> I would say that would depend on how you want to use them.  I want to use 
> them for work outs, for walking, for using my phone at night while my 
> husband's asleep, stuff like that.  I think they're supposed to give you like 
> 5 hours?  For my purposes, that's plenty of time.  And remember, all you have 
> to do to charge them is put them back in the case.  So if you use them for a 
> while, then stop, they'll charge while you aren't using them.  But I like the 
> sound a lot, and find them very comfortable to wear.  Even my husband, who's 
> a cheap-skate and a skeptic, has decided after trying mine, that he's going 
> to go buy himself a pair.
> 
> Like I said, everyone's usage and preferences are different.  You might want 
> to do what my husband did, and find someone who will let you try theirs 
> first.  But I'm very happy with them.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What makes me a bit hesitant to buy a pair of airpods is the battery time 
>> which isn’t so impressing if one compares with a Plantronics headset, but if 
>> they are comfortable to wear and has good sound, maybe one should try them 
>> after all.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:13 skrev Donna Goodin :
>>> 
>>> So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair.  Gotta 
>>> say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This is what I 
>>> am used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more intrigued about 
>>> the HomePods.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: love, love, love the AirPods!

[Donna Goodin]

Yes.  The AirPods come with a cable that connects to a USB adapter, like your 
iPhone charger.  You just charge it by plugging it in.  And yes, if the AirPods 
are in the case, you can charge them both simultaneously.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> This is intreaguing, you say that to charge the airpods you put them in their 
> case, how do you then charge the case itself? I guess it has some kind of 
> port thing. Could you charge the airpods and the case at the same time?
> /Krister
> 
>> 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:24 skrev Donna Goodin :
>> 
>> I would say that would depend on how you want to use them.  I want to use 
>> them for work outs, for walking, for using my phone at night while my 
>> husband's asleep, stuff like that.  I think they're supposed to give you 
>> like 5 hours?  For my purposes, that's plenty of time.  And remember, all 
>> you have to do to charge them is put them back in the case.  So if you use 
>> them for a while, then stop, they'll charge while you aren't using them.  
>> But I like the sound a lot, and find them very comfortable to wear.  Even my 
>> husband, who's a cheap-skate and a skeptic, has decided after trying mine, 
>> that he's going to go buy himself a pair.
>> 
>> Like I said, everyone's usage and preferences are different.  You might want 
>> to do what my husband did, and find someone who will let you try theirs 
>> first.  But I'm very happy with them.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> What makes me a bit hesitant to buy a pair of airpods is the battery time 
>>> which isn’t so impressing if one compares with a Plantronics headset, but 
>>> if they are comfortable to wear and has good sound, maybe one should try 
>>> them after all.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 8 juni 2017 kl. 16:13 skrev Donna Goodin :
 
 So a local store had AirPods in stock, so I picked myself up a pair.  
 Gotta say, they are great!  Love the sound, love the ease of use.  This is 
 what I am used to as the Apple experience.  Makes me all the more 
 intrigued about the HomePods.
 Cheers,
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AirPods not loud enough

[Eric Brinkman]

Hello all,

Even with the volume as high as it will go, the sound on my AirPods just isn't 
very loud. Every other headphone I try with the iPhone, including EarPods that 
came with it, is much louder. Mac rumors has an article suggesting you cycle 
Bluetooth off and on on your iPhone, but this did not help. Has anyone else 
experienced this?

Eric

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Re: AirPods not loud enough

[Donna Goodin]

No. Mine are plenty loud.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> 
> Even with the volume as high as it will go, the sound on my AirPods just 
> isn't very loud. Every other headphone I try with the iPhone, including 
> EarPods that came with it, is much louder. Mac rumors has an article 
> suggesting you cycle Bluetooth off and on on your iPhone, but this did not 
> help. Has anyone else experienced this?
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Re: macos sierra accessibility especially with braille how is it so far?

[William Windels]

Hello,

I have a bad experience about voiceover and braille since I started using 
voiceover on osx 10.5.3.
And I am still very disappointed  about the progress of braille in voiceover.

I wrote the following text and I try to publish it on some websites like:
accessibility - Voiceover braille problems with os x sierra - Ask Different 

I tried 9to5mac.com  but the article isn’t published since 
Saturday 
and from applevis, I have 2 comments.

here is the article in the mail.

kind regards,
William 
My experiences with voiceover and braille

I am a blind Mac user since Mac OS Leopard 10.5.3. Before that, I was using 
Windows and Linux.
In all situations, I used braille mostly with speech if speech was available.
So, when braille came available for OS X, I made the change to Mac.
I am writing this article on the following MacBook:


Model name: MacBookPro 12.1
Processor name: Intel Core i5
Processor speed:2,7 GHz
1 processor with 2 cores.
L2-cache (per core):256 KB
L3-cache:   3 MB
Memory: 16 GB
and Mac OS sierra 10.12.4. with safari 10.1 
Changes
There were many changes during these 9 years and some of them where big changes 
for voiceover users.
But from the last releases on, from OS X 10.7 Lion , there were only a few 
voiceover fixes and a some new features.

Specifically braille has had a nice update in 10.6 Snow Leopard with more 
braille tables. After that, no changes have been implemented any more in spite 
of the many requests of blind Mac users.

That’s why I wanted to add my remarks about the limited braille support in Mac 
OS Sierra.

Remarks
Many times, the braille display uses dots 7 and 8 as indication that the 
voiceover cursor is there.
Because dots 7 and 8 are in use, no other markers can be shown. If elements 
like menu items, links and other controls are selected, this isn’t visible 
without speech.
Dots 7 and 8 are useless since everything that is on the braille display is in 
the voiceover cursor.
And disabling dots 7 and 8 gives no indication  about the place of any cursor 
or selection at all So, this isn’t a solution also.

To show which element is selected, that item should just be shown on the 
braille display.

Also using command + tab to switch between different opened programs, I can’t 
see on the braille display which program has focus before releasing command + 
tab. The solution here is the same as above: show only the element with focus 
on the braille display.

In Mac OS, interaction is a basic way of working and this is a very innovative 
way of working. But sometimes, like in TextEdit, I can move between the text 
with the arrow-keys. But when I do a swipe down with 2 fingers, the text isn’t 
spoken from the place where I was. When I try to further interact, and I can do 
one level further, the problem of reading the text from the cursor is solved.
My suggestion: an indication on the braille display (and speech) if more or 
less interaction is possible.

With my Eurobraille Esys 40 braille display, it happens many times in Mail and 
some other programs that the cursor isn’t moving to the character where I press 
the routing key above in the text of a composed mail.
This is also the case for other Mac users with a Eurobraille Esys braille 
display.

Terminal is great because of the command line interface.
Unfortunately the braille support is very poor compared to the Linux terminal 
in combination with the BRLTTY screen reader.
Terminal doesn’t have a comfortable way to view all the text (history of 
commands) on the screen and there doesn’t seem to be a command to jump to the 
place of focus.
Navigating in manpages isn’t comfortable at all and there is no possibility to 
copy text from the terminal screen to the clipboard of Mac OS to paste e.g. in 
TextEdit.

Refreshing the text on the braille display doesn’t always work automatically. 
This happens e.g. when another window is popping up, or if switching between 2 
or more applications. The workaround is to go away from the active application 
and go back. But, a better refresh functionality or a command to force refresh 
would be very welcome.

As for the web, the braille is very poor and not flexible. As I already said, 
elements that have the voiceover cursor, are underlined without any good reason 
if you are using a braille display.
Forms

The problems to fill in forms are also very frustrating.
To demonstrate this, I have done a test with the site from apple:
 
https://appleid.apple.com/account#!&page=create

As example, I want to create a new apple-id on the website above.
The test is done with dom- and group-mode.
The steps are as follows:
1.  vo+home: beginning of 

Teardown of New 4K 21.5-inch iMac Reveals Removable RAM and Modular CPU - Mac Rumors

[Barry Hadder]

> https://www.macrumors.com/2017/06/08/4k-imac-teardown-reveals-removable-ram-cpu/
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Re: Teardown of New 4K 21.5-inch iMac Reveals Removable RAM and Modular CPU - Mac Rumors

[Scott Granados]

Oooo that’s very cool, especially the modular CPU part.  You can put something 
faster in that fits in the same socket.  Like it!

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Re: Teardown of New 4K 21.5-inch iMac Reveals Removable RAM and Modular CPU - Mac Rumors

[Tim Kilburn]

Cool, but possibly "hot" too.  Don't want the Note 7 issue of not having enough 
cooling capacity for a more powerful processor.  Give it a bit of time though, 
and someone ingenious will figure out a way to make it work well without 
burning down the house :).  OK, so we have a bit of a fire fear up here :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 8, 2017, at 12:04, Scott Granados  wrote:

Oooo that’s very cool, especially the modular CPU part.  You can put something 
faster in that fits in the same socket.  Like it!

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Re: Teardown of New 4K 21.5-inch iMac Reveals Removable RAM and Modular CPU - Mac Rumors

[Scott Granados]

Oh yeah I forgot about that.  You were dead center in a big wild fire up there 
in the great north.  I used to live in the Bay Area that had the same problem.  
Saw fire near the house one to many times.:)

As for the processor issue, I’ll dunk the whole thing in water. Ok not 
literally but depending on how that processor is mounted I would put a water 
cooler right on the chip.  I used to have a water cooled PC back in the day 
when building your own PC was the thing to do.  Something like that should 
work.  In reality, if you can leave the cover off a nice fat heat sync should 
do the trick.  Still wouldn’t it be funny if the iMac and iMac pro were the 
same chassis and they just snapped different, highly over priced components in 
when you ordered.  I’m sure that’s not the case, well almost sure.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Cool, but possibly "hot" too.  Don't want the Note 7 issue of not having 
> enough cooling capacity for a more powerful processor.  Give it a bit of time 
> though, and someone ingenious will figure out a way to make it work well 
> without burning down the house :).  OK, so we have a bit of a fire fear up 
> here :).
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 12:04, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Oooo that’s very cool, especially the modular CPU part.  You can put 
> something faster in that fits in the same socket.  Like it!
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:26 PM, Barry Hadder > > wrote:
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Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love Aftershokz 
headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, leaving my ears 
totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to hear what's around me 
with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at sound quality and bluetooth 
connection. In short, I'm very happy with Aftershokz... But having AirPods 
would be even better in some ways.

I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my 
phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller, 
meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like 
Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the terrible, 
phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that Aftershokz do. 
I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter will last longer if 
you count quick charges with the case.

I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they for 
sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a problem, or are 
they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself taking one or both out 
at times? Do you use Aftershokz since getting the AirPods, assuming you have 
that option? Thanks for your thoughts. Again, I know the features and drawbacks 
of both from a technical perspective, but not a user-facing one. I know about 
playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. I need to know how each 
unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.

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Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

[Scott Granados]

I would go AirPods myself but for the cool factor.  On top of that, you could 
always remove one or the other if traveling and you need both environment 
sounds and audio.  I’ve gotten used to traveling with a single bluetooth 
earpiece so can function with one year more blocked than the other.  You also 
have no wires so if traveling you’ll have an easier time, less tangling etc.  
You stand the risk of dropping one and losing it, that’s a down side.  I think 
though I’d go AirPods for the cleanness of it and the ability to pair with all 
my devices as you mentioned.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love 
> Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, leaving 
> my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to hear what's 
> around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at sound quality 
> and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very happy with Aftershokz... But 
> having AirPods would be even better in some ways.
> 
> I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my 
> phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller, 
> meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like 
> Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the 
> terrible, phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that 
> Aftershokz do. I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter 
> will last longer if you count quick charges with the case.
> 
> I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they 
> for sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a problem, 
> or are they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself taking one or 
> both out at times? Do you use Aftershokz since getting the AirPods, assuming 
> you have that option? Thanks for your thoughts. Again, I know the features 
> and drawbacks of both from a technical perspective, but not a user-facing 
> one. I know about playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. I 
> need to know how each unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.
> 
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Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

[Esubalew Johnston]

Hi, are used to have aftershocks headphones but wasn't a fan I sold mine after 
couple days using it. I love the AirPods they're amazing special the ability to 
use one only if you like. I love it when I use in the gym I'm jumping around 
and they still be able to stay in my ear. That's just my am put in my opinion.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 12:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love 
> Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, leaving 
> my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to hear what's 
> around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at sound quality 
> and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very happy with Aftershokz... But 
> having AirPods would be even better in some ways.
> 
> I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my 
> phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller, 
> meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like 
> Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the 
> terrible, phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that 
> Aftershokz do. I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter 
> will last longer if you count quick charges with the case.
> 
> I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they 
> for sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a problem, 
> or are they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself taking one or 
> both out at times? Do you use Aftershokz since getting the AirPods, assuming 
> you have that option? Thanks for your thoughts. Again, I know the features 
> and drawbacks of both from a technical perspective, but not a user-facing 
> one. I know about playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. I 
> need to know how each unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.
> 
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Hi,

So the clock rate or the GHz you listed is meaningless for the most part.  In 
the old days this was an indication of speed.  Today though it’s all about how 
the chips are designed and constructed.  A better measurement is flops or 
floating point operations per second as this tests the real computational 
capability rather than the frequency of the clock oscillator.
There are 2016 models with out the touch bar and with.  It’s not bad if 
you also use another keyboard like the magic wireless keyboard.  I’d suggest 
actually going to a store if you can and trying it out.  Remember Alex on list 
had a very different experience and likes the new design so you will want to 
try yourself to get the best idea.

Hope that helps.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
> touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
> Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My 
> MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my 
> room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air 
> does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 
> inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 
> inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 
> inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook 
> Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  a 
> 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use to 
> the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   and 
> I'm not willing to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from you 
> soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
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> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  > wrote:
> 
>> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
>> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
>> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
>> 
>> 
>> Sandie.
>> 
>> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA
>>> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
>>> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
>>> on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
>>> you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
>>> bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados >>> >
 wrote:
 
 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
 where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
 laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
 and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
 but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
 below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
 touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
 start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
 the
 Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my previous
 adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses 

Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Alex,

I'm very picky about wearing headphones that block out too much sound, as I 
find it disorienting when I'm walking around.  With the AirPods, I feel like I 
hear enough ambient noise to be comfortable.  Everyone's threshold is 
different, but I would agree with others - go for the AirPods.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love 
> Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, leaving 
> my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to hear what's 
> around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at sound quality 
> and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very happy with Aftershokz... But 
> having AirPods would be even better in some ways.
> 
> I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my 
> phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller, 
> meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like 
> Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the 
> terrible, phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that 
> Aftershokz do. I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter 
> will last longer if you count quick charges with the case.
> 
> I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they 
> for sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a problem, 
> or are they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself taking one or 
> both out at times? Do you use Aftershokz since getting the AirPods, assuming 
> you have that option? Thanks for your thoughts. Again, I know the features 
> and drawbacks of both from a technical perspective, but not a user-facing 
> one. I know about playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. I 
> need to know how each unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.
> 
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

It could also be the materials the room is made of, whether the door is opened 
or closed, the channel you’re on, and so forth.  I’m with Sean it sounds more 
like the room if everything works outside it.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey Helga. How do you know that it's your MBA that's responsible for the wifi 
> issues you're having? I ask this because sometimes  when I'm somewhere far 
> away from my modem, I get around 1 or 2 wifi bars but when I'm down here in 
> my room, I get full signal. I guess what I'm saying is, it might be because 
> your room might be a little far away from your modem/router. Just a thought.
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
>> touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
>> Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My 
>> MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my 
>> room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air 
>> does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 
>> inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 
>> inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 
>> inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook 
>> Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  
>> a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use 
>> to the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   
>> and I'm not willing to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from 
>> you soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
>> 
>>   Helga Schreiber 
>> Group Moderator  
>>  
>>   for the IPad help for the Blind 
>> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
>>  
>>  
>> Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, 
>> feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where 
>> people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text 
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>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
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>> Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950  
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>> px 
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>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse > > wrote:
>> 
>>> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
>>> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
>>> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sandie.
>>> 
>>> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> 
>>> wrote:
 Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch 
 MBA
 this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
 And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
 on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
 you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
 bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados  >
> wrote:
> 
> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical 
> keys
> below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
> touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
> start or stop voice ove

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to the 
conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I would be 
glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if necessary. It Is 
replacing the Internet router would probably be something that your parents 
would have to do seems house as to where you live is where your parents are. 
And they pay for your Internet. So it would have to be something that they 
would have to do. Seems how you still live there. Sorry for posting such a 
off-topic post, but I figured this would be helpful information for the people 
that have already tried to possibly assist her as I'm still catching up on 
messages.
Joseph Hudson 

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
> touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
> Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My 
> MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my 
> room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air 
> does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 
> inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 
> inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 
> inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook 
> Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  a 
> 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use to 
> the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   and 
> I'm not willing to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from you 
> soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
> 
>   Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
>  
>   for the IPad help for the Blind 
> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
>  
> Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, 
> feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where 
> people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text 
> only! 
> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group: 
> https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D
> 
>   
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
> 
> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
>> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
>> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
>> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
>> 
>> 
>> Sandie.
>> 
>> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch MBA
>>> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
>>> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
>>> on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
>>> you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
>>> bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados 
 wrote:
 
 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
 where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
 laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
 and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
 but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
 below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when you
 touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to
 start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
 the
 Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my previous
 adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C instead
 of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on all the phones
 and other devic

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
cost of the Google Home.
 

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
> why not switch?
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>> works and works well.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>> To: Mac Group 
>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound 
>>> than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be 
>>> able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name 
>>> again?
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
 
 Scott,
 I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
 longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
 all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
 off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
> 
> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>>> my opinion.
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
 get numbers or punctuation.
 
 Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
 like Finder. Also a document scan function.
 
 iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
 still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
 had the bucks.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
 world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
 your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 
>>

Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

[Todor Fassl]

I accidently broke one side on my aftershokz and now they are even 
better. Honestly, if you're going to use your aftershokz while walking 
around listening to a GPS, I highly recommend breaking one side.





On 06/08/2017 01:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

I would go AirPods myself but for the cool factor.  On top of that, you could 
always remove one or the other if traveling and you need both environment 
sounds and audio.  I’ve gotten used to traveling with a single bluetooth 
earpiece so can function with one year more blocked than the other.  You also 
have no wires so if traveling you’ll have an easier time, less tangling etc.  
You stand the risk of dropping one and losing it, that’s a down side.  I think 
though I’d go AirPods for the cleanness of it and the ability to pair with all 
my devices as you mentioned.


On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Hi all,
I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love Aftershokz 
headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, leaving my ears 
totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to hear what's around me 
with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at sound quality and bluetooth 
connection. In short, I'm very happy with Aftershokz... But having AirPods 
would be even better in some ways.

I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my 
phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller, 
meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like 
Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the terrible, 
phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that Aftershokz do. 
I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter will last longer if 
you count quick charges with the case.

I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they for 
sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a problem, or are 
they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself taking one or both out 
at times? Do you use Aftershokz since getting the AirPods, assuming you have 
that option? Thanks for your thoughts. Again, I know the features and drawbacks 
of both from a technical perspective, but not a user-facing one. I know about 
playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. I need to know how each 
unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that provide 4 
times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from amazon and they 
have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
> the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
> would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
> necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
> that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is where 
> your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have to be 
> something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live there. Sorry 
> for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would be helpful 
> information for the people that have already tried to possibly assist her as 
> I'm still catching up on messages.
> Joseph Hudson 
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac with 
>> touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a new 
>> Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My 
>> MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my 
>> room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook Air 
>> does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 13 
>> inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 13 
>> inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  13 
>> inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  MacBook 
>> Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on December  
>> a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign to be use 
>> to the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for school,   
>> and I'm not willing to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in hearing from 
>> you soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
>> 
>>  Helga Schreiber 
>> Group Moderator  
>> 
>>  for the IPad help for the Blind 
>> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
>> 
>> Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, 
>> feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where 
>> people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text 
>> only! 
>> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group: 
>> https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
>> Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
>> 
>>> If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
>>> touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
>>> Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sandie.
>>> 
>>> On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch 
 MBA
 this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a show-stopper.
 And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
 on the head phones, it was very stupid of them to create a situation where
 you can't use their headphones on their own computers.  This is really too
 bad.  I won't try a Chromebook, so it may be back to Windows for me.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Jun 3, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> 
> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass
> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model
> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks
> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say
> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>   The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical keys
> below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires whe

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 2 
to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my brother 
about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. Or at 
least that's what he founded for.
Joseph Hudson 

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that provide 
> 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from amazon and 
> they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
>> the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
>> would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
>> necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
>> that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is where 
>> your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have to be 
>> something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live there. Sorry 
>> for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would be helpful 
>> information for the people that have already tried to possibly assist her as 
>> I'm still catching up on messages.
>> Joseph Hudson 
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
>>> with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a 
>>> new Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! My 
>>> MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi at my 
>>> room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my MacBook 
>>> Air does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a MacBook Pro 
>>> 13 inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 MacBook Pro 
>>> 13 inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 MacBook Pro  
>>> 13 inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information true? My  
>>> MacBook Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to purchasing on 
>>> December  a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar since I'm not goign 
>>> to be use to the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot for accessing info for 
>>> school,   and I'm not willing to buy adaptors for it. I look forward in 
>>> hearing from you soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
>>> 
>>> Helga Schreiber 
>>> Group Moderator  
>>> 
>>> for the IPad help for the Blind 
>>> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
>>> 
>>> Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, 
>>> feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where 
>>> people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text 
>>> only! 
>>> ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group: 
>>> https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
>>> Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>>> 
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
>>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
>>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
>>> 
 If mind serves correctly you can get the new laps with out the
 touchBar at all, how is the sound on the new generations?
 Usb situation sucks, but you can get adapters.
 
 
 Sandie.
 
 On 6/3/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> Wow, that's just screwy.  I was actually going to purchase a new 13-inch 
> MBA
> this summer, but the cable situation really does sound like a 
> show-stopper.
> And given the big deal that Apple made about switching to a lightning port
>>

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

Like I said, I want to wait and see.  I'm curious and intrigued, but I'll see 
some reviews before I take the plunge.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
 the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
 purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
 home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
 Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
 To: Mac Group 
 Cc: Terje Strømberg 
 Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
 end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
 sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
 Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
 borring name again?
 
 Take care
 
> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
> 
> Scott,
> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>> 
>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
 my opinion.
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching 
> to get numbers or punctuation.
> 
> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
> 
> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
> had the bucks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> So I missed the 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

The two have nothing to do with each other.

The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues if 
we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What might be 
most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use now.  Sure it 
may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks that’s not a bad 
thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a new one and be in the 
same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage with some exceptions but the 
cheaper the router the less quality antennas are  attached. And $34 isn’t 
exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the cost of the low end router you 
found for $100.  So what would I do, in a perfect world do both.  Then she’ll 
have a better router and the propagation issues will probably be solved at the 
same time.  Also, when you upgrade the router the next time as long as you use 
the same connectors you can reuse the antennas and not need to buy new.

Hope that helps.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
> are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
> rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 2 
> to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my brother 
> about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. Or at 
> least that's what he founded for.
>   Joseph Hudson 
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
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> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
>> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that provide 
>> 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from amazon and 
>> they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
>>> the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
>>> would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
>>> necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
>>> that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is 
>>> where your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have to 
>>> be something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live there. 
>>> Sorry for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would be 
>>> helpful information for the people that have already tried to possibly 
>>> assist her as I'm still catching up on messages.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> 
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>> facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
 with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a 
 new Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! 
 My MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi 
 at my room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my 
 MacBook Air does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a 
 MacBook Pro 13 inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 
 MacBook Pro 13 inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 
 MacBook Pro  13 inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information 
 true? My  MacBook Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to 
 purchasing on December  a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar 
 since I'm not goign to be use to the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot 
 for accessing info for school,   and I'm not willing to buy adaptors for 
 it. I look forward in hearing from you soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
 
 Helga Schreiber 
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Will Scott, the routers that we have her Asus brand. And it worked really well. 
My parents haven't had any problems since they but that particular brand. It 
tends to last 2 to 3 years which is the lifetime of expectancy of a router 
according to technicians at six places such as Best Buy. Which she's had that 
thing since I have so I'm going to talk to her hopefully later and let her know 
that it's time to replace it.known her in anyway.
Joseph Hudson 

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
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Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> The two have nothing to do with each other.
> 
> The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
> whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues 
> if we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What 
> might be most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use 
> now.  Sure it may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks 
> that’s not a bad thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a 
> new one and be in the same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage with 
> some exceptions but the cheaper the router the less quality antennas are  
> attached. And $34 isn’t exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the cost 
> of the low end router you found for $100.  So what would I do, in a perfect 
> world do both.  Then she’ll have a better router and the propagation issues 
> will probably be solved at the same time.  Also, when you upgrade the router 
> the next time as long as you use the same connectors you can reuse the 
> antennas and not need to buy new.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
>> are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
>> rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 
>> 2 to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my 
>> brother about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. 
>> Or at least that's what he founded for.
>>  Joseph Hudson 
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
>>> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that 
>>> provide 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from 
>>> amazon and they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
 
 Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
 the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
 would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
 necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
 that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is 
 where your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have 
 to be something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live 
 there. Sorry for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would 
 be helpful information for the people that have already tried to possibly 
 assist her as I'm still catching up on messages.
 Joseph Hudson 
 
 Email
 jhud7...@gmail.com
 I device support
 Telephone
 2543007667
 Skype
 joseph.hudson89
 facebook
 https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
 Twitter
 https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
 
 FaceTime/iMessage
 jhud7...@yahoo.com
 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
> with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting 
> a new Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor 
> guys! My MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with 
> wiFi at my room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also 
> my MacBook Air does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a 
> MacBook Pro 13 inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 
> MacBook Pro 13 inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 
> 2016 MacBook Pro  13 inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this 
> information t

Re: AirPods not loud enough

[Oriol Gómez]

Yeah the airpods are quite loud. maybe you messed up your hearing
because you set your headphones too loud... ^^

On 6/8/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> No. Mine are plenty loud.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Eric Brinkman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Even with the volume as high as it will go, the sound on my AirPods just
>> isn't very loud. Every other headphone I try with the iPhone, including
>> EarPods that came with it, is much louder. Mac rumors has an article
>> suggesting you cycle Bluetooth off and on on your iPhone, but this did not
>> help. Has anyone else experienced this?
>>
>> Eric
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Re: AirPods not loud enough

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Eric,

There are a number of different places where volume is controlled.  There's 
your phone volume, and your music volume, which, if I understand correctly are 
separate.  Have you checked both those settings to make sure you don't have the 
volume in your music app turned down, for example?  Just a thought.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> 
> Yeah the airpods are quite loud. maybe you messed up your hearing
> because you set your headphones too loud... ^^
> 
> On 6/8/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> No. Mine are plenty loud.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Eric Brinkman 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Even with the volume as high as it will go, the sound on my AirPods just
>>> isn't very loud. Every other headphone I try with the iPhone, including
>>> EarPods that came with it, is much louder. Mac rumors has an article
>>> suggesting you cycle Bluetooth off and on on your iPhone, but this did not
>>> help. Has anyone else experienced this?
>>> 
>>> Eric
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Who ever is telling you that you need to replace your router every 2 to 3 years 
is smoking crack.

I would say honestly 4 or more is perfectly fine for most.  The standards just 
don’t change that frequently and there’s not much in them to break over time.  
I left my airport in service for 5 years and before that my D-Link router 
served me for about 8.  I give these to my parents and they lasted them even 
longer, my airport is still inservice today at my mother’s providing her new 
place lots of coverage and my D-Link is still functional at my fathers going on 
12 years now.  The reasons to upgrade are if you increase your connection speed 
and your existing model won’t cut the mustard or obviously if it breaks.  Other 
than that it’s not really that beneficial.  Sounds like a router salesmen gave 
you that advice.
Asus makes some decent gear, good choice.  They also use the SMA 
connector type so adding better antennas is easy and inexpensive and requires 
no tools.  You probably have a smaller house so your existing gear will do just 
fine.  I’m working with almost 5000 SQFT which is hard to cover when you add in 
building materials.  I’m ordering a plume WiFi distributed system for my place 
so I’ll have an AP in each room.

 

We don’t switch them out even that frequently in the professional world.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Will Scott, the routers that we have her Asus brand. And it worked really 
> well. My parents haven't had any problems since they but that particular 
> brand. It tends to last 2 to 3 years which is the lifetime of expectancy of a 
> router according to technicians at six places such as Best Buy. Which she's 
> had that thing since I have so I'm going to talk to her hopefully later and 
> let her know that it's time to replace it.known her in anyway.
> Joseph Hudson 
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
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> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> The two have nothing to do with each other.
>> 
>> The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
>> whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues 
>> if we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What 
>> might be most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use 
>> now.  Sure it may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks 
>> that’s not a bad thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a 
>> new one and be in the same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage 
>> with some exceptions but the cheaper the router the less quality antennas 
>> are  attached. And $34 isn’t exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the 
>> cost of the low end router you found for $100.  So what would I do, in a 
>> perfect world do both.  Then she’ll have a better router and the propagation 
>> issues will probably be solved at the same time.  Also, when you upgrade the 
>> router the next time as long as you use the same connectors you can reuse 
>> the antennas and not need to buy new.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, 
>>> that are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would 
>>> you rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself 
>>> and 2 to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my 
>>> brother about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 
>>> bucks. Or at least that's what he founded for.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> 
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>> facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
 router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that 
 provide 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from 
 amazon and they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came 
> to the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless 
> router. I would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new 
> routers if necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably 
> be something that your parents would have to do seems house as to wher

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Hello Scott, actually no he was very tech savvy. See at best buy, you're going 
to pick up the kind of router bitch meet your needs, which we needed one 
comment that would take up to six devices or more. Because my parents have a 
tablet each of iPhone each, and then they both have computers. Then we also 
have a camera system as well. So all of that stuff is pretty much running 
daily. I named my grandma and I, we have two devices each on our router. And 
I'm running the turbo speed. And a matter fact my parents are running the turbo 
speed as well. So there you go. The only one that is not an Acer dryer right 
now, is the one that is at my house. Which might be changing   whether I 
can figure out if I can switch out my router and still be a will to use my 
phone through Time Warner cable. So then I won't have that weak connection.
Joseph Hudson 

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Who ever is telling you that you need to replace your router every 2 to 3 
> years is smoking crack.
> 
> I would say honestly 4 or more is perfectly fine for most.  The standards 
> just don’t change that frequently and there’s not much in them to break over 
> time.  I left my airport in service for 5 years and before that my D-Link 
> router served me for about 8.  I give these to my parents and they lasted 
> them even longer, my airport is still inservice today at my mother’s 
> providing her new place lots of coverage and my D-Link is still functional at 
> my fathers going on 12 years now.  The reasons to upgrade are if you increase 
> your connection speed and your existing model won’t cut the mustard or 
> obviously if it breaks.  Other than that it’s not really that beneficial.  
> Sounds like a router salesmen gave you that advice.
>   Asus makes some decent gear, good choice.  They also use the SMA 
> connector type so adding better antennas is easy and inexpensive and requires 
> no tools.  You probably have a smaller house so your existing gear will do 
> just fine.  I’m working with almost 5000 SQFT which is hard to cover when you 
> add in building materials.  I’m ordering a plume WiFi distributed system for 
> my place so I’ll have an AP in each room.
> 
> 
> 
> We don’t switch them out even that frequently in the professional world.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Will Scott, the routers that we have her Asus brand. And it worked really 
>> well. My parents haven't had any problems since they but that particular 
>> brand. It tends to last 2 to 3 years which is the lifetime of expectancy of 
>> a router according to technicians at six places such as Best Buy. Which 
>> she's had that thing since I have so I'm going to talk to her hopefully 
>> later and let her know that it's time to replace it.known her in anyway.
>> Joseph Hudson 
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The two have nothing to do with each other.
>>> 
>>> The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
>>> whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues 
>>> if we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What 
>>> might be most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use 
>>> now.  Sure it may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks 
>>> that’s not a bad thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a 
>>> new one and be in the same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage 
>>> with some exceptions but the cheaper the router the less quality antennas 
>>> are  attached. And $34 isn’t exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the 
>>> cost of the low end router you found for $100.  So what would I do, in a 
>>> perfect world do both.  Then she’ll have a better router and the 
>>> propagation issues will probably be solved at the same time.  Also, when 
>>> you upgrade the router the next time as long as you use the same connectors 
>>> you can reuse the antennas and not need to buy new.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
 
 Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, 
 that are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would 
 you rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for 
 itself and 2 to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this 
 out, my brother about

Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

[Lois Butterfield]

Hi,

I don't take mine out unless I have to charge them.  I also take them out at
night.  In my opinion, I can hear plenty with them in.  Of course, if you
have music blasting, you will miss what's going on outside.  I can listen to
books though while walking outside with no problems.

Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Alex Hall

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

Hi all,
I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love
Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction,
leaving my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to
hear what's around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at
sound quality and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very happy with
Aftershokz... But having AirPods would be even better in some ways.

I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my
phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller,
meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like
Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the
terrible, phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that
Aftershokz do. I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter
will last longer if you count quick charges with the case.

I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they
for sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a problem,
or are they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself taking one or
both out at times? Do you use Aftershokz since getting the AirPods, assuming
you have that option? Thanks for your thoughts. Again, I know the features
and drawbacks of both from a technical perspective, but not a user-facing
one. I know about playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. I
need to know how each unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

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From: Alex Hall

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

Hi all,
I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love 
Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, 
leaving my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to 
hear what's around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at 
sound quality and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very happy with 
Aftershokz... But having AirPods would be even better in some ways.


I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my 
phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller, 
meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like 
Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the 
terrible, phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that 
Aftershokz do. I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter 
will last longer if you count quick charges with the case.


I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they 
for sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a problem, 
or are they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself taking one or 
both out at times? Do you use Aftershokz since getting the AirPods, assuming 
you have that option? Thanks for your thoughts. Again, I know the features 
and drawbacks of both from a technical perspective, but not a user-facing 
one. I know about playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. I 
need to know how each unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.


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Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

[Scott Granados]

Do you mean you leave them in your ears all the time?

That’s interesting and dedication.:). Or am I reading what you said wrong?

Thank you

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Lois Butterfield  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't take mine out unless I have to charge them.  I also take them out at
> night.  In my opinion, I can hear plenty with them in.  Of course, if you
> have music blasting, you will miss what's going on outside.  I can listen to
> books though while walking outside with no problems.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> -Original Message- From: Alex Hall
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:35 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love
> Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction,
> leaving my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to
> hear what's around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at
> sound quality and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very happy with
> Aftershokz... But having AirPods would be even better in some ways.
> 
> I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my
> phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller,
> meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like
> Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the
> terrible, phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that
> Aftershokz do. I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter
> will last longer if you count quick charges with the case.
> 
> I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they
> for sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a problem,
> or are they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself taking one or
> both out at times? Do you use Aftershokz since getting the AirPods, assuming
> you have that option? Thanks for your thoughts. Again, I know the features
> and drawbacks of both from a technical perspective, but not a user-facing
> one. I know about playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. I
> need to know how each unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> -Original Message- From: Alex Hall
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:35 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love 
> Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, leaving 
> my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to hear what's 
> around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at sound quality 
> and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very happy with Aftershokz... But 
> having AirPods would be even better in some ways.
> 
> I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my 
> phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller, 
> meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like 
> Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the 
> terrible, phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that 
> Aftershokz do. I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter 
> will last longer if you count quick charges with the case.
> 
> I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they 
> for sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a problem, 
> or are they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself taking one or 
> both out at times? Do you use Aftershokz since getting the AirPods, assuming 
> you have that option? Thanks for your thoughts. Again, I know the features 
> and drawbacks of both from a technical persp

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

So my DLink router from 2005 supported up to 40 devices at a time.  These were 
all draft N but still.  The airport falls over at about the 40 mark, not really 
falls over but wouldn’t support my gigabit link as it only forwards at about 
200 megabits.  But again you don’t need the newest and greatest to do what 
you’re doing especially since you’re working with so few devices.  I only this 
year updated my main router to go full gig and I’ve got probably 70 WiFi 
connected devices at any one time including cameras, phones, desk phones, 
televisions, xboxes, set top boxes and so on and so forth.  I’m able to connect 
reliably from my home with the new antenna setup about a half mile away instead 
of the usual 150 to 300 feet.  I’m going with a distributed WiFi system, which 
is definitely another way the original poster could go and just put an access 
point in each room you want the best coverage.  These include a routing 
function although in my case I’ll run them in bridged mode and let the Netgear 
do the heavy lifting and forwarding.

Do not trust what Best Buy tells you, they only want to sell product.  I’ve 
seen so much bad advice given out of that chain it’s not funny.  Save your 
pennies, buy from amazon and talk to the list members here who have no dog in 
the hunt so you won’t get swindled out of hard earned funds.  And never, ever, 
buy the extended service plans, they are a ripoff of the highest order.





> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Scott, actually no he was very tech savvy. See at best buy, you're 
> going to pick up the kind of router bitch meet your needs, which we needed 
> one comment that would take up to six devices or more. Because my parents 
> have a tablet each of iPhone each, and then they both have computers. Then we 
> also have a camera system as well. So all of that stuff is pretty much 
> running daily. I named my grandma and I, we have two devices each on our 
> router. And I'm running the turbo speed. And a matter fact my parents are 
> running the turbo speed as well. So there you go. The only one that is not an 
> Acer dryer right now, is the one that is at my house. Which might be changing 
> whether I can figure out if I can switch out my router and still be a 
> will to use my phone through Time Warner cable. So then I won't have that 
> weak connection.
>   Joseph Hudson 
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Who ever is telling you that you need to replace your router every 2 to 3 
>> years is smoking crack.
>> 
>> I would say honestly 4 or more is perfectly fine for most.  The standards 
>> just don’t change that frequently and there’s not much in them to break over 
>> time.  I left my airport in service for 5 years and before that my D-Link 
>> router served me for about 8.  I give these to my parents and they lasted 
>> them even longer, my airport is still inservice today at my mother’s 
>> providing her new place lots of coverage and my D-Link is still functional 
>> at my fathers going on 12 years now.  The reasons to upgrade are if you 
>> increase your connection speed and your existing model won’t cut the mustard 
>> or obviously if it breaks.  Other than that it’s not really that beneficial. 
>>  Sounds like a router salesmen gave you that advice.
>>  Asus makes some decent gear, good choice.  They also use the SMA 
>> connector type so adding better antennas is easy and inexpensive and 
>> requires no tools.  You probably have a smaller house so your existing gear 
>> will do just fine.  I’m working with almost 5000 SQFT which is hard to cover 
>> when you add in building materials.  I’m ordering a plume WiFi distributed 
>> system for my place so I’ll have an AP in each room.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We don’t switch them out even that frequently in the professional world.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will Scott, the routers that we have her Asus brand. And it worked really 
>>> well. My parents haven't had any problems since they but that particular 
>>> brand. It tends to last 2 to 3 years which is the lifetime of expectancy of 
>>> a router according to technicians at six places such as Best Buy. Which 
>>> she's had that thing since I have so I'm going to talk to her hopefully 
>>> later and let her know that it's time to replace it.known her in anyway.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> 
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>> facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:25

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting the 
fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear out 
over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a good 
quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard it works. 
I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house an they have  
been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. I always update 
the firmware in them which is  running open source router firmware inside of 
it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for the hosue as well. 
what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do a good job as far as 
getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house which is broken up into 4 
units.  

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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

What  about mesh routers like the erro which maybe about 300 for a pair of 3 
and would they do a better job then a regular router .  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

The two have nothing to do with each other.

The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues if 
we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What might be 
most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use now.  Sure it 
may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks that’s not a bad 
thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a new one and be in the 
same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage with some exceptions but the 
cheaper the router the less quality antennas are  attached. And $34 isn’t 
exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the cost of the low end router you 
found for $100.  So what would I do, in a perfect world do both.  Then she’ll 
have a better router and the propagation issues will probably be solved at the 
same time.  Also, when you upgrade the router the next time as long as you use 
the same connectors you can reuse the antennas and not need to buy new.

Hope that helps.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
> are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
> rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 2 
> to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my brother 
> about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. Or at 
> least that's what he founded for.
>   Joseph Hudson
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
>> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that provide 
>> 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from amazon and 
>> they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
>>> the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
>>> would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
>>> necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
>>> that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is 
>>> where your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have to 
>>> be something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live there. 
>>> Sorry for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would be 
>>> helpful information for the people that have already tried to possibly 
>>> assist her as I'm still catching up on messages.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> 
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>> facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
 with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a 
 new Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! 
 My MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi 
 at my room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my 
 MacBook Air does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a 
 MacBook Pro 13 inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 
 MacBook Pro 13 inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 
 MacBook Pro  13 inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information 
 true? My  MacBook Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to 
 purchasing on December  a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar 
 since I'm not goign to be use to the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot 
 for accessing info for school,   and I'm not willing to buy adaptors for 
 it. I look forward in hearing from you soon! Thanks so much and God bless!
 
 Helga Schreiber
 Group Moderator
 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and alexa 
in the home .  

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
cost of the Google Home.
 

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
> why not switch?
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>> works and works well.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>> Strømberg
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>> To: Mac Group 
>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound 
>>> than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be 
>>> able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name 
>>> again?
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
 
 Scott,
 I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
 longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
 world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
 your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
> 
> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>>> my opinion.
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
 get numbers or punctuation.
 
 Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
 like Finder. Also a document scan function.
 
 iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
 still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
 had the bucks.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
 world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
 your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
>>

Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

[Lois Butterfield]

No, I guess I should have said most of the time.  I am usually listening to 
a book when at home.


Sorry for being unclear.

Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Scott Granados

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

Do you mean you leave them in your ears all the time?

That’s interesting and dedication.:). Or am I reading what you said wrong?

Thank you

On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Lois Butterfield  
wrote:


Hi,

I don't take mine out unless I have to charge them.  I also take them out 
at

night.  In my opinion, I can hear plenty with them in.  Of course, if you
have music blasting, you will miss what's going on outside.  I can listen 
to

books though while walking outside with no problems.

Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- From: Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

Hi all,
I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love
Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction,
leaving my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to
hear what's around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at
sound quality and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very happy with
Aftershokz... But having AirPods would be even better in some ways.

I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on 
my

phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller,
meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like
Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the
terrible, phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that
Aftershokz do. I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter
will last longer if you count quick charges with the case.

I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they
for sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a 
problem,
or are they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself taking one 
or
both out at times? Do you use Aftershokz since getting the AirPods, 
assuming

you have that option? Thanks for your thoughts. Again, I know the features
and drawbacks of both from a technical perspective, but not a user-facing
one. I know about playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. 
I

need to know how each unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

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-Original Message- From: Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:35 PM
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Subject: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

Hi all,
I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love 
Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, 
leaving my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to 
hear what's around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at 
sound quality and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very happy with 
Aftershokz... But having AirPods would be even better in some ways.


I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on 
my phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're 
smaller, meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in 
use like Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into 
the terrible, phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri 
that Aftershokz do. I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the 
batter will last longer if you count quick charges with the case.


I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they 
for sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a 
problem, or are they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself 
taking one or both out at times? Do you use Aftershokz sin

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Hi Gary, so I’m going to grab the plume system that our friends Mary from this 
list and the Android list and Warren pointed out.  They look very good.  In 
your case this is probably perfect.  Put them in bridge mode, attach to your 
existing router, configure with the android or iPhone app and place one in each 
unit and around your property.  This way your tenants will connect to their own 
AP.
Ubiquiti is decent stuff and very very reasonably priced.
I have never bought one of the really cheap routers but the Link I had 
was maybe $150 or so and is still kicking after 13 years.  As long as you make 
it through the burn in period these things should last and last and last.

I have some unix boxes on my network here at work that have 10 year or more 
uptime and these have rotating disks.  (And sadly were never patched so I’m 
decommissioning them but the point is gear should last a long time.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard it 
> works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house an 
> they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. I 
> always update the firmware in them which is  running open source router 
> firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for 
> the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do 
> a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house 
> which is broken up into 4 units.  
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
Which is why we don't do that.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard it 
> works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house an 
> they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. I 
> always update the firmware in them which is  running open source router 
> firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for 
> the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do 
> a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house 
> which is broken up into 4 units.  
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

The reviews say the plume is the best unit and it’s $320 for 6.  They are made 
in your home state as well in San Jose I believe.

Google plume WiFi and see what you find.  I’ve seen comparisons of the Netgear, 
Google and Plume systems and the plume wins on speed, reliability and 
performance.  Cost is also very reasonable for 6 units instead of 3 and they 
support both 2.4 and 5 ghz.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:29 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> What  about mesh routers like the erro which maybe about 300 for a pair of 3 
> and would they do a better job then a regular router .  
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:25 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> The two have nothing to do with each other.
> 
> The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
> whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues 
> if we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What 
> might be most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use 
> now.  Sure it may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks 
> that’s not a bad thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a 
> new one and be in the same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage with 
> some exceptions but the cheaper the router the less quality antennas are  
> attached. And $34 isn’t exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the cost 
> of the low end router you found for $100.  So what would I do, in a perfect 
> world do both.  Then she’ll have a better router and the propagation issues 
> will probably be solved at the same time.  Also, when you upgrade the router 
> the next time as long as you use the same connectors you can reuse the 
> antennas and not need to buy new.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
>> are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
>> rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 
>> 2 to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my 
>> brother about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. 
>> Or at least that's what he founded for.
>>  Joseph Hudson
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>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
>>> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that 
>>> provide 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from 
>>> amazon and they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
 
 Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
 the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
 would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
 necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
 that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is 
 where your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have 
 to be something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live 
 there. Sorry for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would 
 be helpful information for the people that have already tried to possibly 
 assist her as I'm still catching up on messages.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
> with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting 
> a new Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor 
> guys! My MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with 
> wiFi at my room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also 
> my MacBook Air does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a 
> MacBook Pro 13 inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 
> MacBook Pro 13 inches has a

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
> Which is why we don't do that.
>   Joseph Hudson 
> 
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> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
>> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
>> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
>> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard 
>> it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house 
>> an they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. 
>> I always update the firmware in them which is  running open source router 
>> firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for 
>> the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they 
>> do a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot 
>> house which is broken up into 4 units.  
>> 
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Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

[Scott Granados]

Oh no problem, I just couldn’t imagine them being that comfortable.  Glad to 
know you like them and thanks for the clarification.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Lois Butterfield  
> wrote:
> 
> No, I guess I should have said most of the time.  I am usually listening to a 
> book when at home.
> 
> Sorry for being unclear.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> -Original Message- From: Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:14 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz
> 
> Do you mean you leave them in your ears all the time?
> 
> That’s interesting and dedication.:). Or am I reading what you said wrong?
> 
> Thank you
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Lois Butterfield  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't take mine out unless I have to charge them.  I also take them out at
>> night.  In my opinion, I can hear plenty with them in.  Of course, if you
>> have music blasting, you will miss what's going on outside.  I can listen to
>> books though while walking outside with no problems.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Lois
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Alex Hall
>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:35 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love
>> Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction,
>> leaving my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to
>> hear what's around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at
>> sound quality and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very happy with
>> Aftershokz... But having AirPods would be even better in some ways.
>> 
>> I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my
>> phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller,
>> meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like
>> Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the
>> terrible, phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that
>> Aftershokz do. I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter
>> will last longer if you count quick charges with the case.
>> 
>> I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are they
>> for sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be a problem,
>> or are they good at being not in the way? Do you find yourself taking one or
>> both out at times? Do you use Aftershokz since getting the AirPods, assuming
>> you have that option? Thanks for your thoughts. Again, I know the features
>> and drawbacks of both from a technical perspective, but not a user-facing
>> one. I know about playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. I
>> need to know how each unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love 
>> Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, 
>> leaving my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to 
>> hear what's around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at 
>> sound quality and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very happy with 
>> Aftershokz... But having AirPods would be even better in some ways.
>> 
>> I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my 
>> phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller, 
>> meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like 
>> Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the 
>> terrible, phone call-like

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Oh no, it was not free. They wanted to charge my parents. Eight it was a 
Netgear.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
>> Which is why we don't do that.
>>  Joseph Hudson 
>> 
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>> 
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>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
>>> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
>>> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
>>> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard 
>>> it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house 
>>> an they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so 
>>> ever. I always update the firmware in them which is  running open source 
>>> router firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh 
>>> routers for the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a 
>>> days do they do a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  
>>> square foot house which is broken up into 4 units.  
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

I know they made some hiring moves and brought in some heavy hitters from CMU.

Apple has the money to catch up and throw at the problem so I’m sure they will 
but Google also has the money to keep the screws to Apple as well.  I’m just 
very impressed with the Google assistant and google home.  That’s me though.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
> alexa in the home .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
 the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
 purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
 home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
 Strømberg
 Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
 To: Mac Group 
 Cc: Terje Strømberg 
 Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
 end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
 sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
 Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
 borring name again?
 
 Take care
 
> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
> 
> Scott,
> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>> 
>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
 my opinion.
 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching 
> to get numbers or punctuation.
> 
> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

All Netgear firmware is free full stop.  All routers are free to upgrade. For 
the most part they don’t even have the time limitations like the phones do.  
Again, if someone is charging you to upgrade your firmware you are being ripped 
off.  This is a totally simple and free process.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Oh no, it was not free. They wanted to charge my parents. Eight it was a 
> Netgear.
>   Joseph Hudson 
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
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> Telephone
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> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
>>> Which is why we don't do that.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> 
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
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>>> Telephone
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>>> 
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>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
 
 Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
 the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they 
 wear out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you 
 get a good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter 
 how hard it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office 
 in my house an they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  
 what so ever. I always update the firmware in them which is  running open 
 source router firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro 
 mesh routers for the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers 
 now a days do they do a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 
 3000  square foot house which is broken up into 4 units.  
 
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

BTW, I’m happy to talk you through it it’s so easy.  You should always always 
always update your firmware.  To not do so is extremely bad from the security 
side and also keeps you from enjoying the new features.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Oh no, it was not free. They wanted to charge my parents. Eight it was a 
> Netgear.
>   Joseph Hudson 
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
>>> Which is why we don't do that.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> 
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 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
 
 Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
 the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they 
 wear out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you 
 get a good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter 
 how hard it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office 
 in my house an they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  
 what so ever. I always update the firmware in them which is  running open 
 source router firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro 
 mesh routers for the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers 
 now a days do they do a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 
 3000  square foot house which is broken up into 4 units.  
 
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Well this was not your themselves so you can explain that to Netgear the next 
time you g and that's my two pennies worth. And so I'm done discussing this.et 
one. Oldest continue to do what we've always done. S it's been the best thing.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> All Netgear firmware is free full stop.  All routers are free to upgrade. For 
> the most part they don’t even have the time limitations like the phones do.  
> Again, if someone is charging you to upgrade your firmware you are being 
> ripped off.  This is a totally simple and free process.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh no, it was not free. They wanted to charge my parents. Eight it was a 
>> Netgear.
>>  Joseph Hudson 
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
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>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
 
 Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
 Which is why we don't do that.
Joseph Hudson 
 
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  
> wrote:
> 
> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are 
> promoting the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  
> why they wear out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to 
> believe.if you get a good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 
> years no matter how hard it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise 
> routers in my office in my house an they have  been going for a good 5 
> years now and no issues  what so ever. I always update the firmware in 
> them which is  running open source router firmware inside of it.   also 
> thining about getting he erro mesh routers for the hosue as well. what do 
> you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do a good job as far as 
> getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house which is broken up 
> into 4 units.  
> 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

You got me convinced to get a few for my new house.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I know they made some hiring moves and brought in some heavy hitters from CMU.

Apple has the money to catch up and throw at the problem so I’m sure they will 
but Google also has the money to keep the screws to Apple as well.  I’m just 
very impressed with the Google assistant and google home.  That’s me though.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
> alexa in the home .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
 the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
 purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
 home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
 Strømberg
 Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
 To: Mac Group 
 Cc: Terje Strømberg 
 Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
 end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
 sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
 Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
 borring name again?
 
 Take care
 
> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
> 
> Scott,
> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>> 
>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not 
>>> know what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. 
>>> One reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 
>>> 4th?
>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
 my opinion.
 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Joseph Hudson]

Yeah probably for a penny or two or three. I wouldn't be the one updating the 
firmware, it would be my father. And he doesn't have patience to do anything 
like that anymore. So that's out of the question.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> BTW, I’m happy to talk you through it it’s so easy.  You should always always 
> always update your firmware.  To not do so is extremely bad from the security 
> side and also keeps you from enjoying the new features.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh no, it was not free. They wanted to charge my parents. Eight it was a 
>> Netgear.
>>  Joseph Hudson 
>> 
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>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
 
 Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware a.m. 
 Which is why we don't do that.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  
> wrote:
> 
> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are 
> promoting the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  
> why they wear out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to 
> believe.if you get a good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 
> years no matter how hard it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise 
> routers in my office in my house an they have  been going for a good 5 
> years now and no issues  what so ever. I always update the firmware in 
> them which is  running open source router firmware inside of it.   also 
> thining about getting he erro mesh routers for the hosue as well. what do 
> you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do a good job as far as 
> getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house which is broken up 
> into 4 units.  
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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Ok, thanks for hat one.  

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

The reviews say the plume is the best unit and it’s $320 for 6.  They are made 
in your home state as well in San Jose I believe.

Google plume WiFi and see what you find.  I’ve seen comparisons of the Netgear, 
Google and Plume systems and the plume wins on speed, reliability and 
performance.  Cost is also very reasonable for 6 units instead of 3 and they 
support both 2.4 and 5 ghz.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:29 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> What  about mesh routers like the erro which maybe about 300 for a pair of 3 
> and would they do a better job then a regular router .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:25 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> The two have nothing to do with each other.
> 
> The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
> whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues 
> if we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What 
> might be most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use 
> now.  Sure it may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks 
> that’s not a bad thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a 
> new one and be in the same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage with 
> some exceptions but the cheaper the router the less quality antennas are  
> attached. And $34 isn’t exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the cost 
> of the low end router you found for $100.  So what would I do, in a perfect 
> world do both.  Then she’ll have a better router and the propagation issues 
> will probably be solved at the same time.  Also, when you upgrade the router 
> the next time as long as you use the same connectors you can reuse the 
> antennas and not need to buy new.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
>> are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
>> rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 
>> 2 to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my 
>> brother about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. 
>> Or at least that's what he founded for.
>>  Joseph Hudson
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>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
>>> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that 
>>> provide 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from 
>>> amazon and they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
 
 Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
 the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
 would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
 necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
 that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is 
 where your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have 
 to be something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live 
 there. Sorry for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would 
 be helpful information for the people that have already tried to possibly 
 assist her as I'm still catching up on messages.
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> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
> with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting 
> a new Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor 
> guys! My MacBook Air is great,but  for some re

RE: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hello:

If you're concerned about call quality, the pods are your best choice.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:15 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

Do you mean you leave them in your ears all the time?

That’s interesting and dedication.:). Or am I reading what you said wrong?

Thank you

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Lois Butterfield  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't take mine out unless I have to charge them.  I also take them 
> out at night.  In my opinion, I can hear plenty with them in.  Of 
> course, if you have music blasting, you will miss what's going on 
> outside.  I can listen to books though while walking outside with no problems.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> -Original Message- From: Alex Hall
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:35 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love 
> Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, 
> leaving my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier 
> to hear what's around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is 
> great at sound quality and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very 
> happy with Aftershokz... But having AirPods would be even better in some ways.
> 
> I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working 
> on my phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're 
> smaller, meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when 
> not in use like Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so 
> don't go into the terrible, phone call-like audio quality when 
> dictating or using Siri that Aftershokz do. I can check the battery 
> level right on iOS, and the batter will last longer if you count quick 
> charges with the case.
> 
> I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are 
> they for sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be 
> a problem, or are they good at being not in the way? Do you find 
> yourself taking one or both out at times? Do you use Aftershokz since 
> getting the AirPods, assuming you have that option? Thanks for your 
> thoughts. Again, I know the features and drawbacks of both from a 
> technical perspective, but not a user-facing one. I know about 
> playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. I need to know how 
> each unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.
> 
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> 
> Hi all,
> I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love 
> Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, leaving 
> my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier to hear what's 
> around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is great at sound quality 
> and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very happy with Aftershokz... But 
> having AirPods would be even better in some ways.
> 
> I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working on my 
> phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're smaller, 
> meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when not in use like 
> Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so don't go into the 
> terrible, phone call-like audio quality when dictating or using Siri that 
> Aftershokz do. I can check the battery level right on iOS, and the batter 
> will last longer if you count quick charges with the case.
> 
> I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods u

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Well, I have lots of Netgear routers and they do not charge to upgrade 
firmware.  It’s available for free on the website to download, remember I have 
a netgear R8500 in service now and supported thousands of them in the field for 
COVAD.  You go to a web site, download the code, browse to your router, put the 
file name in, hit update and that’s it.  Anyone charging for this is robbing 
you.  I’m more than happy to help you do this for free as it is so simple.  But 
you have to understand, you’re getting totally bad advice that’s costing you 
and your family real money.  Pay if you want it doesn’t hurt me any but as P. 
T. Barnum said, there’s a sucker born every minute.  You don’t need to be a 
sucker, there’s to many people here who will gladly help for free and have 
nothing to gain regardless if you spend money or not.



> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:44 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Well this was not your themselves so you can explain that to Netgear the next 
> time you g and that's my two pennies worth. And so I'm done discussing 
> this.et one. Oldest continue to do what we've always done. S it's been the 
> best thing.
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> All Netgear firmware is free full stop.  All routers are free to upgrade. 
>> For the most part they don’t even have the time limitations like the phones 
>> do.  Again, if someone is charging you to upgrade your firmware you are 
>> being ripped off.  This is a totally simple and free process.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh no, it was not free. They wanted to charge my parents. Eight it was a 
>>> Netgear.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> 
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 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware 
> a.m. Which is why we don't do that.
>   Joseph Hudson 
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are 
>> promoting the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  
>> why they wear out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to 
>> believe.if you get a good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 
>> years no matter how hard it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise 
>> routers in my office in my house an they have  been going for a good 5 
>> years now and no issues  what so ever. I always update the firmware in 
>> them which is  running open source router firmware inside of it.   also 
>> thining about getting he erro mesh routers for the hosue as well. what 
>> do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do a good job as far 
>> as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house which is broken 
>> up into 4 units.  
>> 
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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

So waiting for you  to get one to review . once I know hat they pas your revie 
test I will get them. but for now I am thining what will be the difference 
between the erro an the plu ones. that will be something I will be looking out 
on the wire cutter which does the best reviws on this sort of stuff.  

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Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Hi Gary, so I’m going to grab the plume system that our friends Mary from this 
list and the Android list and Warren pointed out.  They look very good.  In 
your case this is probably perfect.  Put them in bridge mode, attach to your 
existing router, configure with the android or iPhone app and place one in each 
unit and around your property.  This way your tenants will connect to their own 
AP.
Ubiquiti is decent stuff and very very reasonably priced.
I have never bought one of the really cheap routers but the Link I had 
was maybe $150 or so and is still kicking after 13 years.  As long as you make 
it through the burn in period these things should last and last and last.

I have some unix boxes on my network here at work that have 10 year or more 
uptime and these have rotating disks.  (And sadly were never patched so I’m 
decommissioning them but the point is gear should last a long time.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard it 
> works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house an 
> they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. I 
> always update the firmware in them which is  running open source router 
> firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for 
> the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do 
> a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house 
> which is broken up into 4 units.  
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

If that’s the case then you should disconnect everything and shut off your 
services immediately.  Your a security risk to the rest of the world by not 
acting responsibly.  You yourself should learn this, it’s a good skill, you can 
be helpful to others once you learn and if you get far enough make a great 
living at it.  But if you’re not willing to do your maintenance then please, do 
us and the world a favor and disconnect all internet services.  You’re a risk 
to your self, your financial well being, your families financial well being and 
the rest of the world when your non updated equipment is used as part of a 
distributed denial of service attack.  I can’t stress how important updating 
your firmware and software is.  You’re connected to the rest of the world, 
literally. You need to be a good internet citizen and there’s no cost to do so.

Also remember, if your machines get compromised your carrier be it Comcast, 
charter, verizon or whom ever will disable your services and cancel your 
accounts / service.  It’s in your terms and conditions you signed when you had 
service established.  Please be careful.



> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yeah probably for a penny or two or three. I wouldn't be the one updating the 
> firmware, it would be my father. And he doesn't have patience to do anything 
> like that anymore. So that's out of the question.
>   Joseph Hudson 
> 
> Email
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> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> BTW, I’m happy to talk you through it it’s so easy.  You should always 
>> always always update your firmware.  To not do so is extremely bad from the 
>> security side and also keeps you from enjoying the new features.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh no, it was not free. They wanted to charge my parents. Eight it was a 
>>> Netgear.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> 
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
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>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 What do you mean?  Firmware upgrading is free.
 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but they want you to pay an arm and a leg to update the firmware 
> a.m. Which is why we don't do that.
>   Joseph Hudson 
> 
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>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are 
>> promoting the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  
>> why they wear out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to 
>> believe.if you get a good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 
>> years no matter how hard it works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise 
>> routers in my office in my house an they have  been going for a good 5 
>> years now and no issues  what so ever. I always update the firmware in 
>> them which is  running open source router firmware inside of it.   also 
>> thining about getting he erro mesh routers for the hosue as well. what 
>> do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do a good job as far 
>> as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house which is broken 
>> up into 4 units.  
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

I’ll be ordering one next week if all goes well glad to review it before you 
spend the bean.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:46 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> You got me convinced to get a few for my new house.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I know they made some hiring moves and brought in some heavy hitters from CMU.
> 
> Apple has the money to catch up and throw at the problem so I’m sure they 
> will but Google also has the money to keep the screws to Apple as well.  I’m 
> just very impressed with the Google assistant and google home.  That’s me 
> though.
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>> alexa in the home .  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
>> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
>>> suggests, why not switch?
>>> Donna
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
 works and works well.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
 move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
 ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
> Strømberg
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
> To: Mac Group 
> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
> borring name again?
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
>> 
>> Scott,
>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was 
>> no longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer 
>>> the 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>> 
>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>> 
 On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Scott,
 Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not 
 know what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. 
 One reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 
 4th?
 Send it to me. (smiles)
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
 world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You sim

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[lenron brown]

The fact that people are going so crazy over this home pod proves that
apple can sell anything and make it sound good. I might use some apple
products  but got to stay away from this speaker.

On 6/8/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I’ll be ordering one next week if all goes well glad to review it before you
> spend the bean.
>
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:46 PM, gary-melconian 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You got me convinced to get a few for my new house.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:41 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>
>> I know they made some hiring moves and brought in some heavy hitters from
>> CMU.
>>
>> Apple has the money to catch up and throw at the problem so I’m sure they
>> will but Google also has the money to keep the screws to Apple as well.
>> I’m just very impressed with the Google assistant and google home.  That’s
>> me though.
>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, gary-melconian 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and
>>> alexa in the home .
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>
>>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri
>>> as part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I
>>> suppose these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more
>>> than 3 times the cost of the Google Home.
>>>
>>>
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

 Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we
 couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as
 Apple suggests, why not switch?
 Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Donna,
>
> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know
> it works and works well.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>
> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can
> move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple
> ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
> Donna
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and
>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to
>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the
>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje
>> Strømberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>> To: Mac Group 
>> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>
>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like
>> high end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have
>> better sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone
>> function. Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What
>> is the borring name again?
>>
>> Take care
>>
>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd
>>> was no longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the
>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer
 the 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.

 The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The
 Amazon fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics
 and processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more
 consistent.

> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. 
> wrote:
>
> Scott,
> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not
> know what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fin

Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz

[Paul Mimms]

Actually, I find the comfort can actually be a problem with the AirPods. They 
are so comfortable to me, that I can actually drop one and not realize it 
because they're not so noticeable when you wear them. As for music and call 
quality. They are much better than the aftershocks, in my experience. I also 
found the strap on Amazon so you could join the two if you do fear dropping one 
or both. You can also buy what they call ear hooks, but my first experience was 
that they didn't allow the AirPods to disengage when removed from the year. So 
I'm back to using a strap at times, but taking one out when walking.   



Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
and what you make of it.
Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Jim Noseworthy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> If you're concerned about call quality, the pods are your best choice.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:15 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz
> 
> Do you mean you leave them in your ears all the time?
> 
> That’s interesting and dedication.:). Or am I reading what you said wrong?
> 
> Thank you
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Lois Butterfield  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't take mine out unless I have to charge them.  I also take them 
>> out at night.  In my opinion, I can hear plenty with them in.  Of 
>> course, if you have music blasting, you will miss what's going on 
>> outside.  I can listen to books though while walking outside with no 
>> problems.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Lois
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Alex Hall
>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:35 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Opinions wanted: AirPods vs Aftershokz
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love 
>> Aftershokz headsets. This is mainly because of their bone conduction, 
>> leaving my ears totally open even with media playing. It's far easier 
>> to hear what's around me with Aftershokz, and the new generation is 
>> great at sound quality and bluetooth connection. In short, I'm very 
>> happy with Aftershokz... But having AirPods would be even better in some 
>> ways.
>> 
>> I could switch the AirPods from device to device, great if I'm working 
>> on my phone and Mac, or want to rock some music from my Watch. They're 
>> smaller, meaning I don't need to wear something around my neck when 
>> not in use like Aftershokz. I believe AirPods have better sound, so 
>> don't go into the terrible, phone call-like audio quality when 
>> dictating or using Siri that Aftershokz do. I can check the battery 
>> level right on iOS, and the batter will last longer if you count quick 
>> charges with the case.
>> 
>> I'm torn. I guess my main question for AirPods users is this: how are 
>> they for sounds you need to hear? Do they block your ears enough to be 
>> a problem, or are they good at being not in the way? Do you find 
>> yourself taking one or both out at times? Do you use Aftershokz since 
>> getting the AirPods, assuming you have that option? Thanks for your 
>> thoughts. Again, I know the features and drawbacks of both from a 
>> technical perspective, but not a user-facing one. I know about 
>> playback controls, how small each Pod is, and all that. I need to know how 
>> each unit is in the real world for a blind user. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Hi all,
>> I'm very drawn by the AirPods, but over the years, I've come to love 
>> Afters

Re: AirPods not loud enough

[Paul Mimms]

Certainly the volume for Siri can be adjusted. What is it that you don't hear a 
loud enough?



Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
and what you make of it.
Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey Eric,
> 
> There are a number of different places where volume is controlled.  There's 
> your phone volume, and your music volume, which, if I understand correctly 
> are separate.  Have you checked both those settings to make sure you don't 
> have the volume in your music app turned down, for example?  Just a thought.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah the airpods are quite loud. maybe you messed up your hearing
>> because you set your headphones too loud... ^^
>> 
>>> On 6/8/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> No. Mine are plenty loud.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Eric Brinkman 
 wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 Even with the volume as high as it will go, the sound on my AirPods just
 isn't very loud. Every other headphone I try with the iPhone, including
 EarPods that came with it, is much louder. Mac rumors has an article
 suggesting you cycle Bluetooth off and on on your iPhone, but this did not
 help. Has anyone else experienced this?
 
 Eric
 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

I seriously think you're misreading this thread.  What a lot of us are saying 
is that we are interested, and also somewhat skeptical, to varying degrees in 
both cases.  Most of us are here because we've had good experiences with Apple 
products in the past.  That being the case, why wouldn't we want to know more 
about the HomePod, and possibly consider it for purchase.  I haven't heard 
anyone say they're jumping blindly on the bandwagon.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:10 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> The fact that people are going so crazy over this home pod proves that
> apple can sell anything and make it sound good. I might use some apple
> products  but got to stay away from this speaker.
> 
> On 6/8/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I’ll be ordering one next week if all goes well glad to review it before you
>> spend the bean.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:46 PM, gary-melconian 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You got me convinced to get a few for my new house.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:41 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I know they made some hiring moves and brought in some heavy hitters from
>>> CMU.
>>> 
>>> Apple has the money to catch up and throw at the problem so I’m sure they
>>> will but Google also has the money to keep the screws to Apple as well.
>>> I’m just very impressed with the Google assistant and google home.  That’s
>>> me though.
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, gary-melconian 
 wrote:
 
 Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and
 alexa in the home .
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri
 as part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I
 suppose these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more
 than 3 times the cost of the Google Home.
 
 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we
> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as
> Apple suggests, why not switch?
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know
>> it works and works well.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can
>> move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple
>> ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and
>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to
>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the
>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje
>>> Strømberg
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>> To: Mac Group 
>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like
>>> high end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have
>>> better sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone
>>> function. Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What
>>> is the borring name again?
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
 
 Scott,
 I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd
 was no longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the
 world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn
 your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6

changing subject lines

[Donna Goodin]

Given that I'm terrible about doing this, I can't believe I'm going to be the 
one to bring it up.  But that WWD3 subject line has covered an awful lot of 
ground, as have a couple of other subject lines.  Might be a good idea to start 
paying attention and change the subject line so it corresponds to the message 
topic.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Paul Mimms]

I can believe that this is how they work. Otherwise, I can see walking around 
the house with an iPhone, and Apple Watch, going to my iPad, and have them 
switch to my Mac.! :-) Let's keep in touch as we work this out.



Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
and what you make of it.
Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hey Paul,
> 
> Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my phone 
> to my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I manually go in 
> and switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to work, that's fine, 
> but I thought they could switch without the user having to manually go in and 
> tell them to.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms  wrote:
>> 
>> Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
>> AirPods there and tap on it to pair.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
>> and what you make of it.
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair 
>>> with any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to 
>>> the device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play 
>>> with either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Donna Goodin]

What I've read online suggests that they automatically figure out which device 
you are using, and pair with that device.  Sounds like I may need to give a 
call to Apple support.  I'll keep you posted.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Paul Mimms  wrote:
> 
> I can believe that this is how they work. Otherwise, I can see walking around 
> the house with an iPhone, and Apple Watch, going to my iPad, and have them 
> switch to my Mac.! :-) Let's keep in touch as we work this out.
> 
> 
> 
> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
> and what you make of it.
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
> 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> Hey Paul,
>> 
>> Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my phone 
>> to my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I manually go 
>> in and switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to work, that's 
>> fine, but I thought they could switch without the user having to manually go 
>> in and tell them to.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
>>> AirPods there and tap on it to pair.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about 
>>> it, and what you make of it.
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair 
 with any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to 
 the device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play 
 with either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
 TIA,
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Twitter app.

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hi Gang:

 

What’s the most accessible Twitter app for the iPhone?

 

Thanks.

 

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Re: Twitter app.

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I like to meetings myself. I like tweetings myself.

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Re: Twitter app.

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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Mary Otten]

You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a "Siri 
speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo Alexa, 
which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to collect all 
your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same league as the 
home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the expense of your 
privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. But this is going 
after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if this works will buy it 
if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
> alexa in the home .  
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
 the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
 purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
 home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
 Strømberg
 Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
 To: Mac Group 
 Cc: Terje Strømberg 
 Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
 end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
 sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
 Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
 borring name again?
 
 Take care
 
> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
> 
> Scott,
> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>> 
>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. Y

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

Nice points, Mary.

Pulling for you to still be around!  Hang in there!
Best,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
> seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
> there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
> have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
> speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a 
> "Siri speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo 
> Alexa, which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to 
> collect all your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same 
> league as the home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the 
> expense of your privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. 
> But this is going after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if 
> this works will buy it if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>> alexa in the home .  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
>> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
>>> suggests, why not switch?
>>> Donna
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
 works and works well.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
 move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
 ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
> Strømberg
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
> To: Mac Group 
> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
> borring name again?
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
>> 
>> Scott,
>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was 
>> no longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer 
>>> the 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>> 
>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>> 
 On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Scott,
 Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
 what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
 reason I want a 4

Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Alex Hall]

I don't own AirPods yet, of course. That said, from what I've read, you switch 
to them like other headphones. The difference is you don't need to pair them. 
On the Watch, bring up Control Center, hit Airplay, and select them. On the 
Mac, they should live in your bluetooth menu and activate if you choose them 
from there. On iPhone, go into Airplay from Control Center and they should be 
there. Again, this is just what I've picked up while reading, not experience.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 17:36, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> What I've read online suggests that they automatically figure out which 
> device you are using, and pair with that device.  Sounds like I may need to 
> give a call to Apple support.  I'll keep you posted.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Paul Mimms  wrote:
>> 
>> I can believe that this is how they work. Otherwise, I can see walking 
>> around the house with an iPhone, and Apple Watch, going to my iPad, and have 
>> them switch to my Mac.! :-) Let's keep in touch as we work this out.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
>> and what you make of it.
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Paul,
>>> 
>>> Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my phone 
>>> to my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I manually go 
>>> in and switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to work, that's 
>>> fine, but I thought they could switch without the user having to manually 
>>> go in and tell them to.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms  wrote:
 
 Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
 AirPods there and tap on it to pair.
 
 
 
 Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about 
 it, and what you make of it.
 Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair 
> with any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to 
> the device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play 
> with either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Donna Goodin]

Well, that fits with what I'm seeing, so I suspect you're right. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I don't own AirPods yet, of course. That said, from what I've read, you 
> switch to them like other headphones. The difference is you don't need to 
> pair them. On the Watch, bring up Control Center, hit Airplay, and select 
> them. On the Mac, they should live in your bluetooth menu and activate if you 
> choose them from there. On iPhone, go into Airplay from Control Center and 
> they should be there. Again, this is just what I've picked up while reading, 
> not experience.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 17:36, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> What I've read online suggests that they automatically figure out which 
>> device you are using, and pair with that device.  Sounds like I may need to 
>> give a call to Apple support.  I'll keep you posted.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Paul Mimms >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can believe that this is how they work. Otherwise, I can see walking 
>>> around the house with an iPhone, and Apple Watch, going to my iPad, and 
>>> have them switch to my Mac.! :-) Let's keep in touch as we work this out.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about 
>>> it, and what you make of it.
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hey Paul,
 
 Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my 
 phone to my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I 
 manually go in and switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to 
 work, that's fine, but I thought they could switch without the user having 
 to manually go in and tell them to.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms  > wrote:
> 
> Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
> AirPods there and tap on it to pair.
> 
> 
> 
> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about 
> it, and what you make of it.
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
> 
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair 
>> with any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to 
>> the device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play 
>> with either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: AirPods not loud enough

[Eric Brinkman]

Everything is noticeably quieter on the AirPods when compared to the
earbuds that came with my phone or any other headphones.  VoiceOver,
music, and videos all sound a little muffled.  When I have the volume
turned up to maximum with the stock earbuds, sound is loud enough to
hurt a little, but the AirPods never get this loud.  Volume Limit and
SoundCheck are both disabled in my music settings.  The AirPods are
sufficiently loud in most cases, but not if I am trying to watch a TV
show on a bus or train.  I have tried brushing the AirPods and wiping
the mesh area with a pointed object as Apple's phone support person
recommended.  I am using a 256 gig iPhone 7 Plus.

On 6/8/17, Paul Mimms  wrote:
> Certainly the volume for Siri can be adjusted. What is it that you don't
> hear a loud enough?
>
>
>
> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it,
> and what you make of it.
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
>
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Eric,
>>
>> There are a number of different places where volume is controlled.
>> There's your phone volume, and your music volume, which, if I understand
>> correctly are separate.  Have you checked both those settings to make sure
>> you don't have the volume in your music app turned down, for example?
>> Just a thought.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah the airpods are quite loud. maybe you messed up your hearing
>>> because you set your headphones too loud... ^^
>>>
 On 6/8/17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 No. Mine are plenty loud.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Eric Brinkman 
> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Even with the volume as high as it will go, the sound on my AirPods
> just
> isn't very loud. Every other headphone I try with the iPhone,
> including
> EarPods that came with it, is much louder. Mac rumors has an article
> suggesting you cycle Bluetooth off and on on your iPhone, but this did
> not
> help. Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> Eric
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RE: changing subject lines

[David & his pack of dogs]

Agreed.  There is a subject line that is, getting tired of
I almost posted I was getting tired of the subject.  How many ways can one 
dissect a topic?  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: June 8, 2017 2:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: changing subject lines

Given that I'm terrible about doing this, I can't believe I'm going to be the 
one to bring it up.  But that WWD3 subject line has covered an awful lot of 
ground, as have a couple of other subject lines.  Might be a good idea to start 
paying attention and change the subject line so it corresponds to the message 
topic.
Cheers,
Donna

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