Re: Voices in Sierra

[Shawn Krasniuk]

The strange thing about that is that if you go into the finder, Mackintosh HD, 
library, system, speech, and voices, you can see all the Siri voices there. I'd 
love it if there was something out there to make them work with Voiceover.

Shawn
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> On Oct 11, 2016, at 1:15 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> No they haven’t, at least it’s not in the list of voices in VoiceOver Utility.
>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 03:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Am I correct in my assumption that in Sierra we didn't get access with 
>> Voiceover to the male and female American Siri voices? I know there was talk 
>> about them possibly including them like they did starting in iOS 9, but as 
>> far as I can tell, they didn't actually do it on the OSX side, as we thought 
>> they would.
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>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: John Panarese
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Voices in Sierra
>>> 
>>>I just looked here and she is in my rotor, though all of the way towards 
>>> the bottom mixed with other languages. Does she show up in VO Utility when 
>>> you use the popup menu for default voice?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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 On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
  I have several voices selected in VO Utility and all but one show up in 
 the speech rotor. That one is Samantha. What's keeping her out of sight?
 
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RE: removing items from the dock

[Simon Fogarty]

Interesting thought 

Thanks Jonathan, I might give that a try, I'll just have to put office 2016 
apps in to to a folder as they don't do that by default.

 Cheers,


Simon F

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Subject: Re: removing items from the dock

How about putting the microsoft folders on the doc instead of each application? 
Only other solution i  can think is to rename the applications.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Oct 10, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris and others,
> 
> Thanks for the info,
> It was much appreciated and allowed me to remove everything from the dock and 
> reset it up with the required items needed for this project.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Monday, 10 October 2016 7:12 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: removing items from the dock
> 
> I’m using Sierra, but this shouldn’t make any difference.
> 
> 1. Focus on the app you wish to remove.
> 
> 2. Press vo-shift-m to open the contextual menu.
> 
> 3. An option to remove should be in there.
> 
> 
>> On 9 Oct 2016, at 09:45, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> HI List,
>> 
>> Could someone please remind me how to remove applications from the dock 
>> within Mac OSX el capitan?
>> 
>> Adding them isn’t an issue it’s remembering how to remove them I’ve 
>> forgotten.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> 
>> Simon F
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Re: Spamfilters.

[Scott Granados]

Oh come on Anders, there’s nothing like a little sex spam to spice up your 
afternoon, hahaha.  (I’m kidding)

One way to attack the problem is to make sure you have spam filtration on your 
mail server.  If you administer your own you can add that feature like Spam 
Assassin for example.  If not you can see if your provider has an option to 
engage that could help.  I usually address the problem on the server side so 
not sure what client side things you should do but that’s one thing you might 
look in to.

Good luck
Scott

> On Oct 10, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Is there any good free or payed spamfilters for mac mail?
> I have began to get a lot of sex spam and i really hate it.
> If i did know the ip adress they’re coming from i guess i could use the hosts 
> file in /etc but i can not get the ip adress of a mail?
> Thanks.
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question about a scrambled address book like effect in Apple mail

[Scott Granados]

Hi, let me describe this problem as best I can.

I have Apple mail running under the OS10.1 beta presently but this problem has 
existed to one degree or another since at least IOS 9 including the latest El 
Cap.

When entering in an address there’s an auto complete feature so for example if 
I start to type mac the mac visionaries list appears and completes.  This is 
fine.  However, I’ve had this on for years between versions as well as several 
address books which in general seem to be synchronizing ok.  The problem is if 
I write an address it might come up with the entirely wrong rewrite.  I might 
put in mikespizza and bobs-BurgerTown will appear in the field.  Seems like 
there’s either to much data and it’s making crazy relationships or the database 
needs a refresh.   This problem seems unique to Apple mail.  Is there a way to 
clear that autocompletion database?  If it’s not that simple how do I find the 
source of the conflicts?

Thanks in advance

Scott

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Re: question about a scrambled address book like effect in Apple mail

[Donna Goodin]

Just to add to this, I've also seen this.  It only happened once, but somehow 
the phone number for our vet was added as a second phone number to an entry I 
have for a local pizza place.  I noticed it on my iPhone, did not check whether 
that carried over to the Mac as well.  I went into Contacts on my Phone and 
corrected the entry, and have not seen the problem since.
Cheers,
Donna 
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 5:56 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Hi, let me describe this problem as best I can.
> 
> I have Apple mail running under the OS10.1 beta presently but this problem 
> has existed to one degree or another since at least IOS 9 including the 
> latest El Cap.
> 
> When entering in an address there’s an auto complete feature so for example 
> if I start to type mac the mac visionaries list appears and completes.  This 
> is fine.  However, I’ve had this on for years between versions as well as 
> several address books which in general seem to be synchronizing ok.  The 
> problem is if I write an address it might come up with the entirely wrong 
> rewrite.  I might put in mikespizza and bobs-BurgerTown will appear in the 
> field.  Seems like there’s either to much data and it’s making crazy 
> relationships or the database needs a refresh.   This problem seems unique to 
> Apple mail.  Is there a way to clear that autocompletion database?  If it’s 
> not that simple how do I find the source of the conflicts?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Scott
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Re: Solved scroll issue

[Jonathan Cohn]

Ah yes, i had complained to Apple about that and they said working as designed. 
So first steps for any VO user using trackpad commander is to disable global 
trackpad commands.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:14 AM, Brandt Steenkamp  
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> Hi there folks,
> 
> Ok, a bit of getting mad enough had me looking at solutions for the sighted, 
> and, yes, you guessed it. Issue solved.
> 
> System Preferences > TrackPad and uncheck Mission Control.
> 
> Issue over! Scrolling works like a champ.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
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Re: Voices in Sierra

[Jonathan Cohn]

Do they show up in the list of voices available for non VoiceOver speech? I 
understand the Dictation and Voice control panel might have been renamed, so I 
can't give a hint as to where to look.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Oct 11, 2016, at 3:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> The strange thing about that is that if you go into the finder, Mackintosh 
> HD, library, system, speech, and voices, you can see all the Siri voices 
> there. I'd love it if there was something out there to make them work with 
> Voiceover.
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 1:15 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No they haven’t, at least it’s not in the list of voices in VoiceOver 
>> Utility.
>>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 03:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am I correct in my assumption that in Sierra we didn't get access with 
>>> Voiceover to the male and female American Siri voices? I know there was 
>>> talk about them possibly including them like they did starting in iOS 9, 
>>> but as far as I can tell, they didn't actually do it on the OSX side, as we 
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 - Original Message - 
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:00 PM
 Subject: Re: Voices in Sierra
 
   I just looked here and she is in my rotor, though all of the way towards 
 the bottom mixed with other languages. Does she show up in VO Utility when 
 you use the popup menu for default voice?
 
 
 Take Care
 
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 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
> On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> I have several voices selected in VO Utility and all but one show up in 
> the speech rotor. That one is Samantha. What's keeping her out of sight?
> 
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Re: question about a scrambled address book like effect in Apple mail

[Jonathan Cohn]

Scott,

Have you cleared out your previous recipients list? 

Go to windows and open up previous recipients. I then usually sort by last used 
and check a few to ensure they have been added to contacts. After that I clear 
the entire table.

This is something probably worth doing a few times a year.


Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, let me describe this problem as best I can.
> 
> I have Apple mail running under the OS10.1 beta presently but this problem 
> has existed to one degree or another since at least IOS 9 including the 
> latest El Cap.
> 
> When entering in an address there’s an auto complete feature so for example 
> if I start to type mac the mac visionaries list appears and completes.  This 
> is fine.  However, I’ve had this on for years between versions as well as 
> several address books which in general seem to be synchronizing ok.  The 
> problem is if I write an address it might come up with the entirely wrong 
> rewrite.  I might put in mikespizza and bobs-BurgerTown will appear in the 
> field.  Seems like there’s either to much data and it’s making crazy 
> relationships or the database needs a refresh.   This problem seems unique to 
> Apple mail.  Is there a way to clear that autocompletion database?  If it’s 
> not that simple how do I find the source of the conflicts?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Scott
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Re: question about a scrambled address book like effect in Apple mail

[Scott Granados]

Hi John, this is exactly what I’m doing now.  I’ve never done this so you can 
imagine.:)

I’ve got hundreds of craigslist entries from california selling old vintage 
hardware hahaha.  I think the sort and clear method is in order.

Thanks again

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Have you cleared out your previous recipients list? 
> 
> Go to windows and open up previous recipients. I then usually sort by last 
> used and check a few to ensure they have been added to contacts. After that I 
> clear the entire table.
> 
> This is something probably worth doing a few times a year.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, let me describe this problem as best I can.
>> 
>> I have Apple mail running under the OS10.1 beta presently but this problem 
>> has existed to one degree or another since at least IOS 9 including the 
>> latest El Cap.
>> 
>> When entering in an address there’s an auto complete feature so for example 
>> if I start to type mac the mac visionaries list appears and completes.  This 
>> is fine.  However, I’ve had this on for years between versions as well as 
>> several address books which in general seem to be synchronizing ok.  The 
>> problem is if I write an address it might come up with the entirely wrong 
>> rewrite.  I might put in mikespizza and bobs-BurgerTown will appear in the 
>> field.  Seems like there’s either to much data and it’s making crazy 
>> relationships or the database needs a refresh.   This problem seems unique 
>> to Apple mail.  Is there a way to clear that autocompletion database?  If 
>> it’s not that simple how do I find the source of the conflicts?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Scott
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Re: Equivalent of the three finger scrol

[Jonathan Cohn]

I use mission control but it appears to be associated with a 4 finger swipe up. 

There are three areas of Mission Control. The first one adds a virtual desktop, 
the second area has a list of all desktops either they are full screen 
applications or just a second screen of applications. For a blind user the 
primary reason you might want multiple screens is for performance. If you have 
an  applications that is constantly updating the screen (perhaps a movie), then 
placing that application on its own desktop and moving away from it, the 
computer will know you can't see the updates so it won't work on constantly 
updating the screen with the changes.

The third section of voiceover is a list of every open window So a little bit 
like the VoiceOver window list but for all applications.


Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:11 AM, christopher hallsworth  
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> 
> Oo, I get this as well, but the screen also scrolls up or down. For the sake 
> of Hannah an upcoming new mac user, mission control is really a visual thing 
> as far as I understand, as it allows you to “peak” at windows that are 
> currently open in any application. Do any VoiceOver users on here use mission 
> control?
> 
> 
>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 04:37, Brandt Steenkamp  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again,
>> 
>> My trackpad commander is on, but when I do a three finger scroll up, I get 
>> the mission control. Is there anything I can or should do about this?
>> 
>> I often need to scroll to places in the middle of a blog post for example, 
>> in Mars Edit, or a long document in iText express.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> Contact:
>> 
>> Phone:
>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013
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>> 
>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp
>> 
>>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 2:26 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Depends on a couple of factors, but either a 1 finger or three finger swipe 
>>> should do this depending on if trackpad commander is on. One difference 
>>> between Mac and IOS though is that you need to make sure you are 
>>> interacting at the appropriate level before trying to scroll. 
>>> There is also the VO command vo-shift-S that I have had limited luck with 
>>> for scrolling items. Often I find it better to use item chooser or VO-U for 
>>> selecting items. As long as your web page is fairly stable using vo-i or 
>>> vo-u and then typing a few characters often gets you to exactly what you 
>>> are looking for. One great thing about the item chooser is that you don't 
>>> have to use first letter navigation it will match any where in the list. So 
>>> if you bring up the headers list to look for the header "Finding Private 
>>> Ryan" and type y a the header list will narrow to include "Finding Private 
>>> Ryan" 
>>> 
>>> Hope you found all this helpful,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 10, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  
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 Hi there folks,
 
 I had to scroll down a rather crapy website this morning, and at that 
 moment wished I was using either the phone or iPad.
 
 Are there an equivalent to the 3 finger scroll found on the phone for the 
 Mac?
 
 If so, assistance would be very much appreciated. Thanks so long.
 
 Warm regards,
 
 Brandt Steenkamp
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
 
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Re: Inverting colours

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Command, Option and Control 8 is not working for me I’m afraid I don’t have 
a mic for this Mac Mini so I can’t use Siri.
> On 9 Oct 2016, at 14:58, E.T.  wrote:
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>> Hi. Is there a shortcut for inverting colours as I keep having to go into 
>> accessibility settings for everytime I need to invert colours.
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Re: an Uber question

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

I’ve never tried something that elaborate but the drivers will work with you.  
As long as they are willing you can adapt the trip as needed.  Of course as 
already noted this is going to make it hard to predict your final fair.  I 
thought I read something a while back about Lyft providing this option but if 
it ever happened it isn’t obvious to me upon cursory examination of the app.
  I never considered that it would be cheaper to have them wait if it isn’t 
long but that makes sense given that there’s an initial minimum charge.  I 
usually just order a new one for the next leg of the journey but they are 
plentiful where I live so I am usually not waiting very long.
> On Oct 10, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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> use Uber to run several different errands at once without having to call for 
> multiple trips?  If so, how can you do this in the app, then find the Uber 
> driver once you exit your stores? 
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> only 5 min to grab milk and bread. Then, I want to go to CVS to run inside 
> and pick up an RX. Then I want to call in an order to Beef O’bradys for 
> takeout. I’d then have to walk inside the restaurant, pickup food, get back 
> in uber. Then I want to swing through the Starbucks drive through  to pickup 
> a large tea. Then, return home. This is an example, but I don’t want to have 
> to call an Uber after each trip. For one thing, probably a 15 minute wait.. 
> and my food will get cold! 
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Re: an Uber question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
I live in the suburbs so I could wait 15-20 min for a car. I don’t want to wait 
if I’m at the grocery store, or ordering food at a restaurant.
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
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> I’ve never tried something that elaborate but the drivers will work with you. 
>  As long as they are willing you can adapt the trip as needed.  Of course as 
> already noted this is going to make it hard to predict your final fair.  I 
> thought I read something a while back about Lyft providing this option but if 
> it ever happened it isn’t obvious to me upon cursory examination of the app.
>  I never considered that it would be cheaper to have them wait if it isn’t 
> long but that makes sense given that there’s an initial minimum charge.  I 
> usually just order a new one for the next leg of the journey but they are 
> plentiful where I live so I am usually not waiting very long.
>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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>> 
>> 
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>> 
>> Hi guys:
>> I’ve only used Uber to go from point A,  to point B. My question is can you 
>> use Uber to run several different errands at once without having to call for 
>> multiple trips?  If so, how can you do this in the app, then find the Uber 
>> driver once you exit your stores? 
>> As an example, I call Uber, want to go to the grocery store, will be there 
>> only 5 min to grab milk and bread. Then, I want to go to CVS to run inside 
>> and pick up an RX. Then I want to call in an order to Beef O’bradys for 
>> takeout. I’d then have to walk inside the restaurant, pickup food, get back 
>> in uber. Then I want to swing through the Starbucks drive through  to pickup 
>> a large tea. Then, return home. This is an example, but I don’t want to have 
>> to call an Uber after each trip. For one thing, probably a 15 minute wait.. 
>> and my food will get cold! 
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Re: Inverting colours

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I believe that it's cmd-option-8, no ctrl.  You need to set the invert colours 
part in System Prefs, Accessibility under Vision as well otherwise it will only 
zoom.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 11, 2016, at 06:36, Saqib Hussain  wrote:

Hi. Command, Option and Control 8 is not working for me I’m afraid I don’t have 
a mic for this Mac Mini so I can’t use Siri.
> On 9 Oct 2016, at 14:58, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  Invert/revert screen colors:
> Command-Option-Control-8
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> On 10/9/2016 3:53 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>> Hi. Is there a shortcut for inverting colours as I keep having to go into 
>> accessibility settings for everytime I need to invert colours.
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Re: VoiceOver Verbosity Problems

[-dan d.]

You might try vo+v which brings up a speech control menu.  Verbosity is 
among the items.  The changes persist in my experience.


On Mon, 10 Oct 2016, Brian Hansen wrote:


Hi Anne,

Well, no luck on this end.  I even tried restoring the VO default settings, and reset 
the PRAM a second time.  The settings definitely aren?t sticking, and I?m currently 
stuck in the high-verbosity setting even though the VO Utility shows it set to low.  
Anything else I can try, besides a larger hammer?  

Blessings,

Brian


On Oct 10, 2016, at 1:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Brian,

We came across a similar problem of settings not sticking in Sierra this 
weekend with a student of ours. Reinitialising the PRAM fixed the problem.
If you?re not familiar with this procedure, here?s what to do.
Shut down your Mac, then hold down the following keys: Command, Option, letter 
?p? and letter ?r?. With these four keys held down, press once on the Power 
button. Keep the four keys held down until you?ve heard the start up chime four 
times. Your Mac will then boot normally.

Cheers,

Anne




On 10 Oct 2016, at 06:42, Brian Hansen  wrote:

I?m running the latest release of MacOS Sierra, and I?m running into a bit of a 
problem with the default verbosity settings.  For what ever reason, VoiceOver 
seems to be stuck in the high-verbosity setting.  I?ve tried  changing it to 
low, but VO keeps reading and chattering away in the high verbosity mode.  When 
I go back into the VO Utility, it still shows that it?s set to low, but for 
what ever reason, VO doesn?t seem to know that any setting has changed.

I?ve tried turning VO off, and then back on again, re-booting the Mac, 
restoring the VO defaults in the VO Utilities, and even loading some completely 
different settings from my wife?s account.  At this point, nothing seems to 
work.  Any and all help or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Blessings,

Brian

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Re: an Uber question

[Mika Pyyhkala]

Hi,

Lets say you have started a trip and if you swipe and it says something like:
Destination: CVS

You can double tap on that destination field and you will get an edit
box and you may also see previously used destinations.

Once you get lets say Publics Supermarket selected just double tap it.

Then there will be one more OK button to tap on that will update your
trips destination.

The waiting time price for Uber is very low its approximately $.20 a
minute, it will vary slightly depending on your city.

Most drivers will be willing to wait say about 5 minutes at an
intermediate stop, but if it gets to be a long time, you may be more
likely to find a driver who will ask you to request another Uber when
you are ready to go.  The reason they may not want to wait is the low
per minute time based charge instead of the higher per mile charge
when they are moving.

This will vary market to market and driver to driver.

I mean in New York City at 10:00pm on a Saturday night they may not
want to wait for you for 30 minutes at a CVS, but in a smaller town
with less busy traffic, they may be more willing to wait.

Also if you want to here more about this from a driver perspective,
there is a video linked below on Youtube from The Ride Share Guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y88sQNeJ168

But again if your just stopping somewhere for about 5 minutes or less
you should be fine.

For example when I work from home I will use the Starbucks app to
place a mobile order, go to the Starbucks and pick it up, and then
have the same Uber wait for me.

Also sometimes if I am taking a long trip I will have them first stop
at Starbucks, usually I'll do the order on the mobile app, and then
we'll go forth with the long trip.

Best,
Mika
@pyyhkala


On 10/11/16, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
> Hi:
> I live in the suburbs so I could wait 15-20 min for a car. I don’t want to
> wait if I’m at the grocery store, or ordering food at a restaurant.
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I’ve never tried something that elaborate but the drivers will work with
>> you.  As long as they are willing you can adapt the trip as needed.  Of
>> course as already noted this is going to make it hard to predict your
>> final fair.  I thought I read something a while back about Lyft providing
>> this option but if it ever happened it isn’t obvious to me upon cursory
>> examination of the app.
>>  I never considered that it would be cheaper to have them wait if it isn’t
>> long but that makes sense given that there’s an initial minimum charge.  I
>> usually just order a new one for the next leg of the journey but they are
>> plentiful where I live so I am usually not waiting very long.
>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>>
>>> Hi guys:
>>> I’ve only used Uber to go from point A,  to point B. My question is can
>>> you use Uber to run several different errands at once without having to
>>> call for multiple trips?  If so, how can you do this in the app, then
>>> find the Uber driver once you exit your stores?
>>> As an example, I call Uber, want to go to the grocery store, will be
>>> there only 5 min to grab milk and bread. Then, I want to go to CVS to run
>>> inside and pick up an RX. Then I want to call in an order to Beef
>>> O’bradys for takeout. I’d then have to walk inside the restaurant, pickup
>>> food, get back in uber. Then I want to swing through the Starbucks drive
>>> through  to pickup a large tea. Then, return home. This is an example,
>>> but I don’t want to have to call an Uber after each trip. For one thing,
>>> probably a 15 minute wait.. and my food will get cold!
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Re: Voices in Sierra

[Ray Foret jr]

I should think that if that is the case, it would be possible to copy those 
voices over in to the voice folder for voice over to make them work yes?


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> The strange thing about that is that if you go into the finder, Mackintosh 
> HD, library, system, speech, and voices, you can see all the Siri voices 
> there. I'd love it if there was something out there to make them work with 
> Voiceover.
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 1:15 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No they haven’t, at least it’s not in the list of voices in VoiceOver 
>> Utility.
>>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 03:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am I correct in my assumption that in Sierra we didn't get access with 
>>> Voiceover to the male and female American Siri voices? I know there was 
>>> talk about them possibly including them like they did starting in iOS 9, 
>>> but as far as I can tell, they didn't actually do it on the OSX side, as we 
>>> thought they would.
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>>> Training Instructor.
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>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Panarese
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:00 PM
 Subject: Re: Voices in Sierra
 
   I just looked here and she is in my rotor, though all of the way towards 
 the bottom mixed with other languages. Does she show up in VO Utility when 
 you use the popup menu for default voice?
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
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> On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> I have several voices selected in VO Utility and all but one show up in 
> the speech rotor. That one is Samantha. What's keeping her out of sight?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
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Replying to Facebook

[Angus MacKinnon]

My El Capitan 2013 iMac has a bunch of Facebook Time Line Messages in Apple 
Mail. How do I reply to the Facebook Time Line Messages? I am about to punch 
thee iMac. Thank you to all.

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Re: Replying to Facebook

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I believe that you can just reply within Mail and it will post your reply in 
FaceBook.  At least, it used to work this way.  I haven't tried it in a while.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:31, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:

My El Capitan 2013 iMac has a bunch of Facebook Time Line Messages in Apple 
Mail. How do I reply to the Facebook Time Line Messages? I am about to punch 
thee iMac. Thank you to all.

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Re: VoiceOver Verbosity Problems

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes it does here too, I changed it from high to low to see if I could 
reproduce, no fat chance.
> On 11 Oct 2016, at 14:17, -dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> You might try vo+v which brings up a speech control menu.  Verbosity is among 
> the items.  The changes persist in my experience.
> 
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016, Brian Hansen wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> Well, no luck on this end.  I even tried restoring the VO default settings, 
>> and reset the PRAM a second time.  The settings definitely aren?t sticking, 
>> and I?m currently stuck in the high-verbosity setting even though the VO 
>> Utility shows it set to low.  Anything else I can try, besides a larger 
>> hammer?  
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 1:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Brian,
>>> 
>>> We came across a similar problem of settings not sticking in Sierra this 
>>> weekend with a student of ours. Reinitialising the PRAM fixed the problem.
>>> If you?re not familiar with this procedure, here?s what to do.
>>> Shut down your Mac, then hold down the following keys: Command, Option, 
>>> letter ?p? and letter ?r?. With these four keys held down, press once on 
>>> the Power button. Keep the four keys held down until you?ve heard the start 
>>> up chime four times. Your Mac will then boot normally.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10 Oct 2016, at 06:42, Brian Hansen  wrote:
 
 I?m running the latest release of MacOS Sierra, and I?m running into a bit 
 of a problem with the default verbosity settings.  For what ever reason, 
 VoiceOver seems to be stuck in the high-verbosity setting.  I?ve tried  
 changing it to low, but VO keeps reading and chattering away in the high 
 verbosity mode.  When I go back into the VO Utility, it still shows that 
 it?s set to low, but for what ever reason, VO doesn?t seem to know that 
 any setting has changed.
 
 I?ve tried turning VO off, and then back on again, re-booting the Mac, 
 restoring the VO defaults in the VO Utilities, and even loading some 
 completely different settings from my wife?s account.  At this point, 
 nothing seems to work.  Any and all help or ideas would be greatly 
 appreciated.
 
 Blessings,
 
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Re: Solved scroll issue

[christopher hallsworth]

How do you do that then please? Cheers.
> On 11 Oct 2016, at 12:23, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Ah yes, i had complained to Apple about that and they said working as 
> designed. So first steps for any VO user using trackpad commander is to 
> disable global trackpad commands.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:14 AM, Brandt Steenkamp  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there folks,
>> 
>> Ok, a bit of getting mad enough had me looking at solutions for the sighted, 
>> and, yes, you guessed it. Issue solved.
>> 
>> System Preferences > TrackPad and uncheck Mission Control.
>> 
>> Issue over! Scrolling works like a champ.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Solved scroll issue

[christopher hallsworth]

Got it. Please disregard. It’s all in Trackpad pain under System Preferences.
> On 11 Oct 2016, at 12:23, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Ah yes, i had complained to Apple about that and they said working as 
> designed. So first steps for any VO user using trackpad commander is to 
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>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
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>> Hi there folks,
>> 
>> Ok, a bit of getting mad enough had me looking at solutions for the sighted, 
>> and, yes, you guessed it. Issue solved.
>> 
>> System Preferences > TrackPad and uncheck Mission Control.
>> 
>> Issue over! Scrolling works like a champ.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
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Siri Shortcut

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Is there a shortcut to invoke Siri on the Mac mini?

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Re: an Uber question

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi Sarai,

I have done similar trips as the one you suggested earlier, you can actually 
change your destination in the Uber App. The process does not immediately come 
to mind. Once you are in your trip, the relevant button is quite easy to find 
using VO.

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> On 11 Oct 2016, at 2:59 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> I live in the suburbs so I could wait 15-20 min for a car. I don’t want to 
> wait if I’m at the grocery store, or ordering food at a restaurant.
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve never tried something that elaborate but the drivers will work with 
>> you.  As long as they are willing you can adapt the trip as needed.  Of 
>> course as already noted this is going to make it hard to predict your final 
>> fair.  I thought I read something a while back about Lyft providing this 
>> option but if it ever happened it isn’t obvious to me upon cursory 
>> examination of the app.
>> I never considered that it would be cheaper to have them wait if it isn’t 
>> long but that makes sense given that there’s an initial minimum charge.  I 
>> usually just order a new one for the next leg of the journey but they are 
>> plentiful where I live so I am usually not waiting very long.
>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> Hi guys:
>>> I’ve only used Uber to go from point A,  to point B. My question is can you 
>>> use Uber to run several different errands at once without having to call 
>>> for multiple trips?  If so, how can you do this in the app, then find the 
>>> Uber driver once you exit your stores? 
>>> As an example, I call Uber, want to go to the grocery store, will be there 
>>> only 5 min to grab milk and bread. Then, I want to go to CVS to run inside 
>>> and pick up an RX. Then I want to call in an order to Beef O’bradys for 
>>> takeout. I’d then have to walk inside the restaurant, pickup food, get back 
>>> in uber. Then I want to swing through the Starbucks drive through  to 
>>> pickup a large tea. Then, return home. This is an example, but I don’t want 
>>> to have to call an Uber after each trip. For one thing, probably a 15 
>>> minute wait.. and my food will get cold! 
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Re: Siri Shortcut

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Use cmd-space.  Hold down the cmd-space for a few seconds, until you hear the 
ding that is saying that Siri is ready for you to speak.  If you release it too 
quickly, it will bring up Spotlight instead.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 11, 2016, at 13:22, Saqib Hussain  wrote:

Hi. Is there a shortcut to invoke Siri on the Mac mini?

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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

Well let’s hope they are working to make it accessible then we won’t have to 
faff to gain access.

Gena

> On 11 Oct 2016, at 02:32, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I see the problem now. The version on the app store is a year old. No 
> wonder. The app on the Amazon site was just updated last month.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 10/10/2016 2:08 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Interact with your book list and you should be able to VO through your 
>> books. VO + space on one. Then look at the status on the file menu. If 
>> you’ve opened your book VO will tell you that it is greyed. If not select it 
>> from the menu. If you look at the menu again you will see below the open 
>> option is close book.
>> 
>> Your books will be in ~/Library/Application Support/Kindle/My Kindle Content.
>> 
>> You did download the kindle app from Amazon as advised?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 20:53, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>> Gena,
>>>  I'm sorry I decided to tackle this one. (smiles) After a struggle I got 
>>> the registration done. But I cannot be sure I actually have my book on the 
>>> Mac. The only part of the Kindle app that speaks is the toolbar and title 
>>> bar.
>>> 
>>>  I think you stated where the Kindle content is in the library folder but I 
>>> am unable to find my books. Once I find that I will try running the other 
>>> two apps.
>>> 
>>>  We need to light a bonfire under Amazon.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On 10/8/2016 11:12 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
 Handling Kindle Books On The Mac
 
 This guide is not designed to assist the braking of copyright law. Users
 must take responsibility for their own actions and conscience. It is not
 for the faint hearterd either. Difficulty = medium to hard.
 
 Download the following:
 Kindle for Mac (This is for the UK store) So by default, the store is
 set to amazon.co.uk . This setting is difficult to
 change so download from your country to save you the bother.
 
 https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246110
 
 From memory, I tapped the tab key twice, then hit enter which forced the
 authorisation wizard to put the focus in the password field. Then I
 typed in my password then hit enter. Do these steps very slowly. I have
 a fast Mac but this wizard is very sluggish. Use VO B to read the dialog
 box. You’ll get very little speech out of it. You will know if you have
 been successful because it will present the opening screen which you can
 VO arrow left and right.
 
 Then download Kindle DRM Removal. This looks different site but I’m sure
 this is the right one.
 
 http://kindle-drm-removal-mac.en.softonic.com/mac/download
 
 This will find the Kindle books that have been pulled down on to the
 Mac. It will create it’s own directory to store DRM removed files. I
 find the selection of books frustrating . You need to interact with the
 toolbar and click on the open files button. Which brings up a typical
 finder window and it’s difficult to know which book is which.
 
 Now download Calibre:
 https://calibre-ebook.com/download_osx
 For this you might want to manipulate the path variable. As the command
 line tools are hidden in your Applications directory. Mine is:
 
 /Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert
 
 Don’t forget auto tab completion. So on the command line something like:
 
 ebook-convert My_Recipe_Book.azw3 .rtf
 
 Will generate My_Recipe_Book.rtf
 
 Here’s the help file:
 
 Usage: ebook-convert input_file output_file [options]
 
 Convert an ebook from one format to another.
 
 input_file is the input and output_file is the output. Both must be
 specified as the first two arguments to the command.
 
 The output ebook format is guessed from the file extension of
 output_file. output_file can also be of the special format .EXT where
 EXT is the output file extension. In this case, the name of the output
 file is derived from the name of the input file. Note that the filenames
 must not start with a hyphen. Finally, if output_file has no extension,
 then it is treated as a directory and an "open ebook" (OEB) consisting
 of HTML files is written to that directory. These files are the files
 that would normally have been passed to the output plugin.
 
 After specifying the input and output file you can customize the
 conversion by specifying various options. The available options depend
 on the input and output file types. To get help on them specify the
 input and output file and then use the -h option.
 
 For full documentation of the conversion system see
 h

Re: Voices in Sierra

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi John. No, unfortunately not. BTW the preference pain to change voices in 
system prefs is accessibility.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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> On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Do they show up in the list of voices available for non VoiceOver speech? I 
> understand the Dictation and Voice control panel might have been renamed, so 
> I can't give a hint as to where to look.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 3:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> The strange thing about that is that if you go into the finder, Mackintosh 
>> HD, library, system, speech, and voices, you can see all the Siri voices 
>> there. I'd love it if there was something out there to make them work with 
>> Voiceover.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 1:15 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>> mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No they haven’t, at least it’s not in the list of voices in VoiceOver 
>>> Utility.
 On 11 Oct 2016, at 03:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>> > wrote:
 
 Am I correct in my assumption that in Sierra we didn't get access with 
 Voiceover to the male and female American Siri voices? I know there was 
 talk about them possibly including them like they did starting in iOS 9, 
 but as far as I can tell, they didn't actually do it on the OSX side, as 
 we thought they would.
 ---
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 Training Instructor.
 
 i...@gillandmarketing.com 
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - 
> From: John Panarese
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Voices in Sierra
> 
>   I just looked here and she is in my rotor, though all of the way 
> towards the bottom mixed with other languages. Does she show up in VO 
> Utility when you use the popup menu for default voice?
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> I have several voices selected in VO Utility and all but one show up in 
>> the speech rotor. That one is Samantha. What's keeping her out of sight?
>> 
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Re: Voices in Sierra

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey Ray, is there a specific folder you put voices if you want them to work 
with Voiceover? If so, where?

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi John. No, unfortunately not. BTW the preference pain to change voices in 
> system prefs is accessibility.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Do they show up in the list of voices available for non VoiceOver speech? I 
>> understand the Dictation and Voice control panel might have been renamed, so 
>> I can't give a hint as to where to look.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 3:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The strange thing about that is that if you go into the finder, Mackintosh 
>>> HD, library, system, speech, and voices, you can see all the Siri voices 
>>> there. I'd love it if there was something out there to make them work with 
>>> Voiceover.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On Oct 11, 2016, at 1:15 AM, christopher hallsworth 
 mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
 
 No they haven’t, at least it’s not in the list of voices in VoiceOver 
 Utility.
> On 11 Oct 2016, at 03:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:
> 
> Am I correct in my assumption that in Sierra we didn't get access with 
> Voiceover to the male and female American Siri voices? I know there was 
> talk about them possibly including them like they did starting in iOS 9, 
> but as far as I can tell, they didn't actually do it on the OSX side, as 
> we thought they would.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com 
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: John Panarese
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: Voices in Sierra
>> 
>>   I just looked here and she is in my rotor, though all of the way 
>> towards the bottom mixed with other languages. Does she show up in VO 
>> Utility when you use the popup menu for default voice?
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:51 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have several voices selected in VO Utility and all but one show up in 
>>> the speech rotor. That one is Samantha. What's keeping her out of sight?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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iMud (an accessible macOS MUD/MUSH client)

[Tyler Thompson]

Hey Everybody,

Quite some time ago I made a MUD client for OS X, it was alright but 
promptly quit working with the advent of swift and apples usual deprecation of 
code.

I’ve recently restarted the iMud project (Beta available at 
http://www.asid.us#software ) and have gotten to 
a comfortable enough place. It has the usual, triggers, timers, aliases, 
delays, MSP (provided it’s server-side, client-side coming soon). It does 
support Lua to an extent and it’s all written in swift 3. This client will only 
work on the latest macOS (sierra), this is intentional, trying to support 
legacy operating systems is what got me in trouble lsat time.
 
If anybody is interested in beta testing the client give it a download 
and send me a message to let me know what you think. If anybody is interested 
in helping code iMud I have a plethora of ideas and would welcome the help (you 
must know swift). Finally if anybody is interested in learning to code and you 
think a partially constructed MUD client might be a cool way to go feel free to 
message me.



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Better Grammar Checking on macOS

[Joshua Tubbs]

Hi everyone,

I’m currently writing both a novel and various short stories within StoryMill 
right now. The thing that is really getting on my last nerve is the internal 
grammar checker in macOS. I may write the following sentence as dialogue: “Have 
you considered an organization?” The sentence sounds like a perfectly 
reasonable question to me. The problem is, with this and other sentences, the 
macOS grammar check will come up saying that “Have” may not agree with the rest 
of the sentence. Huh? MSWord has never gave me that crap.
Another thing: I’m sure my writing is filled with Comma Splices. If that’s 
macOS’s way of dealing with splices its pretty odd. Why doesn’t it do what word 
does and replace the second comma with a semicolon where applicable?
Surely some of you have ran into these odd behaviors with macOS and grammar. Is 
there a better app that handles this more fluently and with consistency? If so, 
I’ll extract my StoryMill content and paste it into that app and just do it 
that way.
Thanks all.


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Re: Reading kindle books on Mac OS or converting to other formats

[E.T.]

Gena,
   I sent feedback and will do so each time I open the app.

   Now I am running the removal tool. What file type is the actual book 
file? There are 4 different file types for each book.


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On 10/11/2016 1:52 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

Well let’s hope they are working to make it accessible then we won’t have to 
faff to gain access.

Gena


On 11 Oct 2016, at 02:32, E.T.  wrote:

  I see the problem now. The version on the app store is a year old. No wonder. 
The app on the Amazon site was just updated last month.

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On 10/10/2016 2:08 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

Interact with your book list and you should be able to VO through your books. 
VO + space on one. Then look at the status on the file menu. If you’ve opened 
your book VO will tell you that it is greyed. If not select it from the menu. 
If you look at the menu again you will see below the open option is close book.

Your books will be in ~/Library/Application Support/Kindle/My Kindle Content.

You did download the kindle app from Amazon as advised?

Regards,

Gena

On 10 Oct 2016, at 20:53, E.T.  wrote:



Gena,
 I'm sorry I decided to tackle this one. (smiles) After a struggle I got the 
registration done. But I cannot be sure I actually have my book on the Mac. The 
only part of the Kindle app that speaks is the toolbar and title bar.

 I think you stated where the Kindle content is in the library folder but I am 
unable to find my books. Once I find that I will try running the other two apps.

 We need to light a bonfire under Amazon.

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On 10/8/2016 11:12 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Handling Kindle Books On The Mac

This guide is not designed to assist the braking of copyright law. Users
must take responsibility for their own actions and conscience. It is not
for the faint hearterd either. Difficulty = medium to hard.

Download the following:
Kindle for Mac (This is for the UK store) So by default, the store is
set to amazon.co.uk . This setting is difficult to
change so download from your country to save you the bother.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201246110

From memory, I tapped the tab key twice, then hit enter which forced the
authorisation wizard to put the focus in the password field. Then I
typed in my password then hit enter. Do these steps very slowly. I have
a fast Mac but this wizard is very sluggish. Use VO B to read the dialog
box. You’ll get very little speech out of it. You will know if you have
been successful because it will present the opening screen which you can
VO arrow left and right.

Then download Kindle DRM Removal. This looks different site but I’m sure
this is the right one.

http://kindle-drm-removal-mac.en.softonic.com/mac/download

This will find the Kindle books that have been pulled down on to the
Mac. It will create it’s own directory to store DRM removed files. I
find the selection of books frustrating . You need to interact with the
toolbar and click on the open files button. Which brings up a typical
finder window and it’s difficult to know which book is which.

Now download Calibre:
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_osx
For this you might want to manipulate the path variable. As the command
line tools are hidden in your Applications directory. Mine is:

/Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert

Don’t forget auto tab completion. So on the command line something like:

ebook-convert My_Recipe_Book.azw3 .rtf

Will generate My_Recipe_Book.rtf

Here’s the help file:

Usage: ebook-convert input_file output_file [options]

Convert an ebook from one format to another.

input_file is the input and output_file is the output. Both must be
specified as the first two arguments to the command.

The output ebook format is guessed from the file extension of
output_file. output_file can also be of the special format .EXT where
EXT is the output file extension. In this case, the name of the output
file is derived from the name of the input file. Note that the filenames
must not start with a hyphen. Finally, if output_file has no extension,
then it is treated as a directory and an "open ebook" (OEB) consisting
of HTML files is written to that directory. These files are the files
that would normally have been passed to the output plugin.

After specifying the input and output file you can customize the
conversion by specifying various options. The available options depend
on the input and output file types. To get help on them specify the
input and output file and then use the -h option.

For full documentation of the conversion system see
https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html

Whenever you pass arguments to ebook-convert that have spaces in them,
enclose the arguments in quotation marks.

Moving to the top of my Email messages list

[Kristeen Hughes]

I used to be able to do this by making sure I was interacting with the messages 
table and then pressing function+shift+vo+left arrow. Going to the bottom of 
the list could be done in the same way, but with the right arrow substituted 
for the left. Since upgrading to Sierra, this no longer seems to work. I think 
I got it to happen a couple of times, but not any more. Is there a new way?

Kristeen

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Re: an Uber question

[Brent Harding]

I think waiting or not for them can cut both ways. If they don't wait, 
there's no telling if you get someone else for the rest of the trip, and 
that first driver loses out on the rest. I think you do save quite a bit 
sometimes, as there is only one ride booking fee, and one charge of the 
minimum fare for such a trip.


- Original Message - 
From: "Mika Pyyhkala" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: an Uber question


Hi,

Lets say you have started a trip and if you swipe and it says something 
like:

Destination: CVS

You can double tap on that destination field and you will get an edit
box and you may also see previously used destinations.

Once you get lets say Publics Supermarket selected just double tap it.

Then there will be one more OK button to tap on that will update your
trips destination.

The waiting time price for Uber is very low its approximately $.20 a
minute, it will vary slightly depending on your city.

Most drivers will be willing to wait say about 5 minutes at an
intermediate stop, but if it gets to be a long time, you may be more
likely to find a driver who will ask you to request another Uber when
you are ready to go.  The reason they may not want to wait is the low
per minute time based charge instead of the higher per mile charge
when they are moving.

This will vary market to market and driver to driver.

I mean in New York City at 10:00pm on a Saturday night they may not
want to wait for you for 30 minutes at a CVS, but in a smaller town
with less busy traffic, they may be more willing to wait.

Also if you want to here more about this from a driver perspective,
there is a video linked below on Youtube from The Ride Share Guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y88sQNeJ168

But again if your just stopping somewhere for about 5 minutes or less
you should be fine.

For example when I work from home I will use the Starbucks app to
place a mobile order, go to the Starbucks and pick it up, and then
have the same Uber wait for me.

Also sometimes if I am taking a long trip I will have them first stop
at Starbucks, usually I'll do the order on the mobile app, and then
we'll go forth with the long trip.

Best,
Mika
@pyyhkala


On 10/11/16, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:

Hi:
I live in the suburbs so I could wait 15-20 min for a car. I don’t want to
wait if I’m at the grocery store, or ordering food at a restaurant.

On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.
 wrote:

I’ve never tried something that elaborate but the drivers will work with
you.  As long as they are willing you can adapt the trip as needed.  Of
course as already noted this is going to make it hard to predict your
final fair.  I thought I read something a while back about Lyft providing
this option but if it ever happened it isn’t obvious to me upon cursory
examination of the app.
 I never considered that it would be cheaper to have them wait if it isn’t
long but that makes sense given that there’s an initial minimum charge. 
I

usually just order a new one for the next leg of the journey but they are
plentiful where I live so I am usually not waiting very long.

On Oct 10, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
 wrote:


Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

Hi guys:
I’ve only used Uber to go from point A,  to point B. My question is can
you use Uber to run several different errands at once without having to
call for multiple trips?  If so, how can you do this in the app, then
find the Uber driver once you exit your stores?
As an example, I call Uber, want to go to the grocery store, will be
there only 5 min to grab milk and bread. Then, I want to go to CVS to 
run

inside and pick up an RX. Then I want to call in an order to Beef
O’bradys for takeout. I’d then have to walk inside the restaurant, 
pickup

food, get back in uber. Then I want to swing through the Starbucks drive
through  to pickup a large tea. Then, return home. This is an example,
but I don’t want to have to call an Uber after each trip. For one thing,
probably a 15 minute wait.. and my food will get cold!

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Re: Better Grammar Checking on macOS

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I'm in no way in the know regarding these sorts of apps, so I hope my comments 
are OK.  I tried the line "Have you considered an organization?" both in 
TextEdit and Pages, and neither came up with them as a grammatical issue.  Two 
things come to mind for me, first, that question alone on the page, may not 
come up with the same error as you're getting within the context of your novel. 
 Second, might it be Story Mill itself that is causing the issue, not the MacOS 
Spell/Grammar sub-system?  Try pasting some of your text into Pages, do the 
grammar check and see your results.  If Pages doesn't seem to come up with the 
same errors, then you may wish to speak with Mariner Software, the developers 
of Story Mill.

Sorry if this is not the kind of help you were looking for.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 11, 2016, at 16:25, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:

Hi everyone,

I’m currently writing both a novel and various short stories within StoryMill 
right now. The thing that is really getting on my last nerve is the internal 
grammar checker in macOS. I may write the following sentence as dialogue: “Have 
you considered an organization?” The sentence sounds like a perfectly 
reasonable question to me. The problem is, with this and other sentences, the 
macOS grammar check will come up saying that “Have” may not agree with the rest 
of the sentence. Huh? MSWord has never gave me that crap.
Another thing: I’m sure my writing is filled with Comma Splices. If that’s 
macOS’s way of dealing with splices its pretty odd. Why doesn’t it do what word 
does and replace the second comma with a semicolon where applicable?
Surely some of you have ran into these odd behaviors with macOS and grammar. Is 
there a better app that handles this more fluently and with consistency? If so, 
I’ll extract my StoryMill content and paste it into that app and just do it 
that way.
Thanks all.


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Re: Moving to the top of my Email messages list

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Take away the shift key and you should be OK.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 11, 2016, at 17:32, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:

I used to be able to do this by making sure I was interacting with the messages 
table and then pressing function+shift+vo+left arrow. Going to the bottom of 
the list could be done in the same way, but with the right arrow substituted 
for the left. Since upgrading to Sierra, this no longer seems to work. I think 
I got it to happen a couple of times, but not any more. Is there a new way?

Kristeen

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Re: Better Grammar Checking on macOS

[Joshua Tubbs]

Well, just for kicks, I actually pasted the entire chapter of the novel in 
question into Pages. StoryMill uses the same system, so I wasn’t surprised that 
I got the same result.
Thanks for the suggestion, however.

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm in no way in the know regarding these sorts of apps, so I hope my 
> comments are OK.  I tried the line "Have you considered an organization?" 
> both in TextEdit and Pages, and neither came up with them as a grammatical 
> issue.  Two things come to mind for me, first, that question alone on the 
> page, may not come up with the same error as you're getting within the 
> context of your novel.  Second, might it be Story Mill itself that is causing 
> the issue, not the MacOS Spell/Grammar sub-system?  Try pasting some of your 
> text into Pages, do the grammar check and see your results.  If Pages doesn't 
> seem to come up with the same errors, then you may wish to speak with Mariner 
> Software, the developers of Story Mill.
> 
> Sorry if this is not the kind of help you were looking for.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 16:25, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I’m currently writing both a novel and various short stories within StoryMill 
> right now. The thing that is really getting on my last nerve is the internal 
> grammar checker in macOS. I may write the following sentence as dialogue: 
> “Have you considered an organization?” The sentence sounds like a perfectly 
> reasonable question to me. The problem is, with this and other sentences, the 
> macOS grammar check will come up saying that “Have” may not agree with the 
> rest of the sentence. Huh? MSWord has never gave me that crap.
> Another thing: I’m sure my writing is filled with Comma Splices. If that’s 
> macOS’s way of dealing with splices its pretty odd. Why doesn’t it do what 
> word does and replace the second comma with a semicolon where applicable?
> Surely some of you have ran into these odd behaviors with macOS and grammar. 
> Is there a better app that handles this more fluently and with consistency? 
> If so, I’ll extract my StoryMill content and paste it into that app and just 
> do it that way.
> Thanks all.
> 
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spell check issue

[Jean]

Hello All:

This has been annoying me for some time. I want to have the spell checker set 
to not correct spelling as I type in documents. In the system preferences I 
have automatic spell check box unchecked and yet every time I open a new 
document the automatic spelling correction thing in the word processor is 
checked. What can be done about this? In past versions of OS this has not been 
a problem.

Thanks for any help,
  
Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
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Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland

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Re: iMud (an accessible macOS MUD/MUSH client)

[Jim Danley]

Hey Tyler,

I am a swift programmer, but never did any mudding before. Can you provide a 
host and port so I can play with the beta a little?

Thanks

Jim Danley

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Hey Everybody,
> 
>   Quite some time ago I made a MUD client for OS X, it was alright but 
> promptly quit working with the advent of swift and apples usual deprecation 
> of code.
> 
>   I’ve recently restarted the iMud project (Beta available at 
> http://www.asid.us#software ) and have gotten 
> to a comfortable enough place. It has the usual, triggers, timers, aliases, 
> delays, MSP (provided it’s server-side, client-side coming soon). It does 
> support Lua to an extent and it’s all written in swift 3. This client will 
> only work on the latest macOS (sierra), this is intentional, trying to 
> support legacy operating systems is what got me in trouble lsat time.
>  
>   If anybody is interested in beta testing the client give it a download 
> and send me a message to let me know what you think. If anybody is interested 
> in helping code iMud I have a plethora of ideas and would welcome the help 
> (you must know swift). Finally if anybody is interested in learning to code 
> and you think a partially constructed MUD client might be a cool way to go 
> feel free to message me.
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Re: Voices in Sierra

[Ray Foret jr]

Let me look and see a second.

Found it I think.  Here’s the path.

Macintosh/System/Library/Speech/Voices  and from that point on, each voice is 
assigned its own folder.

So, I’m guessing that the male Siri voice would have this path:

Macintosh/System/Library/Speech/Voices/Aaron folder.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey Ray, is there a specific folder you put voices if you want them to work 
> with Voiceover? If so, where?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John. No, unfortunately not. BTW the preference pain to change voices in 
>> system prefs is accessibility.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do they show up in the list of voices available for non VoiceOver speech? I 
>>> understand the Dictation and Voice control panel might have been renamed, 
>>> so I can't give a hint as to where to look.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 11, 2016, at 3:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk >>> > wrote:
 
 The strange thing about that is that if you go into the finder, Mackintosh 
 HD, library, system, speech, and voices, you can see all the Siri voices 
 there. I'd love it if there was something out there to make them work with 
 Voiceover.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 1:15 AM, christopher hallsworth 
> mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
> No they haven’t, at least it’s not in the list of voices in VoiceOver 
> Utility.
>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 03:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Am I correct in my assumption that in Sierra we didn't get access with 
>> Voiceover to the male and female American Siri voices? I know there was 
>> talk about them possibly including them like they did starting in iOS 9, 
>> but as far as I can tell, they didn't actually do it on the OSX side, as 
>> we thought they would.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com 
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: John Panarese
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Voices in Sierra
>>> 
>>>   I just looked here and she is in my rotor, though all of the way 
>>> towards the bottom mixed with other languages. Does she show up in VO 
>>> Utility when you use the popup menu for default voice?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:51 PM, E.T. >>> > wrote:
 
 I have several voices selected in VO Utility and all but one show up 
 in the speech rotor. That one is Samantha. What's keeping her out of 
 sight?
 
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Re: an Uber question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
So when should I set the second destination/ When I get to CVS before getting 
out?
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Mika Pyyhkala  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Lets say you have started a trip and if you swipe and it says something like:
> Destination: CVS
> 
> You can double tap on that destination field and you will get an edit
> box and you may also see previously used destinations.
> 
> Once you get lets say Publics Supermarket selected just double tap it.
> 
> Then there will be one more OK button to tap on that will update your
> trips destination.
> 
> The waiting time price for Uber is very low its approximately $.20 a
> minute, it will vary slightly depending on your city.
> 
> Most drivers will be willing to wait say about 5 minutes at an
> intermediate stop, but if it gets to be a long time, you may be more
> likely to find a driver who will ask you to request another Uber when
> you are ready to go.  The reason they may not want to wait is the low
> per minute time based charge instead of the higher per mile charge
> when they are moving.
> 
> This will vary market to market and driver to driver.
> 
> I mean in New York City at 10:00pm on a Saturday night they may not
> want to wait for you for 30 minutes at a CVS, but in a smaller town
> with less busy traffic, they may be more willing to wait.
> 
> Also if you want to here more about this from a driver perspective,
> there is a video linked below on Youtube from The Ride Share Guy:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y88sQNeJ168
> 
> But again if your just stopping somewhere for about 5 minutes or less
> you should be fine.
> 
> For example when I work from home I will use the Starbucks app to
> place a mobile order, go to the Starbucks and pick it up, and then
> have the same Uber wait for me.
> 
> Also sometimes if I am taking a long trip I will have them first stop
> at Starbucks, usually I'll do the order on the mobile app, and then
> we'll go forth with the long trip.
> 
> Best,
> Mika
> @pyyhkala
> 
> 
> On 10/11/16, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
>> Hi:
>> I live in the suburbs so I could wait 15-20 min for a car. I don’t want to
>> wait if I’m at the grocery store, or ordering food at a restaurant.
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never tried something that elaborate but the drivers will work with
>>> you.  As long as they are willing you can adapt the trip as needed.  Of
>>> course as already noted this is going to make it hard to predict your
>>> final fair.  I thought I read something a while back about Lyft providing
>>> this option but if it ever happened it isn’t obvious to me upon cursory
>>> examination of the app.
>>> I never considered that it would be cheaper to have them wait if it isn’t
>>> long but that makes sense given that there’s an initial minimum charge.  I
>>> usually just order a new one for the next leg of the journey but they are
>>> plentiful where I live so I am usually not waiting very long.
 On Oct 10, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
  wrote:
 
 
 Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
 
 Hi guys:
 I’ve only used Uber to go from point A,  to point B. My question is can
 you use Uber to run several different errands at once without having to
 call for multiple trips?  If so, how can you do this in the app, then
 find the Uber driver once you exit your stores?
 As an example, I call Uber, want to go to the grocery store, will be
 there only 5 min to grab milk and bread. Then, I want to go to CVS to run
 inside and pick up an RX. Then I want to call in an order to Beef
 O’bradys for takeout. I’d then have to walk inside the restaurant, pickup
 food, get back in uber. Then I want to swing through the Starbucks drive
 through  to pickup a large tea. Then, return home. This is an example,
 but I don’t want to have to call an Uber after each trip. For one thing,
 probably a 15 minute wait.. and my food will get cold!
 
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Re: an Uber question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
When did you select your next destination? Was a multi-destination trip like 
that really expensive?
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sarai,
> 
> I have done similar trips as the one you suggested earlier, you can actually 
> change your destination in the Uber App. The process does not immediately 
> come to mind. Once you are in your trip, the relevant button is quite easy to 
> find using VO.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
> Contact:
> 
> Phone:
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>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 2:59 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> I live in the suburbs so I could wait 15-20 min for a car. I don’t want to 
>> wait if I’m at the grocery store, or ordering food at a restaurant.
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never tried something that elaborate but the drivers will work with 
>>> you.  As long as they are willing you can adapt the trip as needed.  Of 
>>> course as already noted this is going to make it hard to predict your final 
>>> fair.  I thought I read something a while back about Lyft providing this 
>>> option but if it ever happened it isn’t obvious to me upon cursory 
>>> examination of the app.
>>> I never considered that it would be cheaper to have them wait if it isn’t 
>>> long but that makes sense given that there’s an initial minimum charge.  I 
>>> usually just order a new one for the next leg of the journey but they are 
>>> plentiful where I live so I am usually not waiting very long.
 On Oct 10, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
 
 Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
 
 
 Hi guys:
 I’ve only used Uber to go from point A,  to point B. My question is can 
 you use Uber to run several different errands at once without having to 
 call for multiple trips?  If so, how can you do this in the app, then find 
 the Uber driver once you exit your stores? 
 As an example, I call Uber, want to go to the grocery store, will be there 
 only 5 min to grab milk and bread. Then, I want to go to CVS to run inside 
 and pick up an RX. Then I want to call in an order to Beef O’bradys for 
 takeout. I’d then have to walk inside the restaurant, pickup food, get 
 back in uber. Then I want to swing through the Starbucks drive through  to 
 pickup a large tea. Then, return home. This is an example, but I don’t 
 want to have to call an Uber after each trip. For one thing, probably a 15 
 minute wait.. and my food will get cold! 
 
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Re: an Uber question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Have you found the fair estimater to be accurate? They seem quite pricy at time.
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I think waiting or not for them can cut both ways. If they don't wait, 
> there's no telling if you get someone else for the rest of the trip, and that 
> first driver loses out on the rest. I think you do save quite a bit 
> sometimes, as there is only one ride booking fee, and one charge of the 
> minimum fare for such a trip.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Mika Pyyhkala" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: an Uber question
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Lets say you have started a trip and if you swipe and it says something like:
> Destination: CVS
> 
> You can double tap on that destination field and you will get an edit
> box and you may also see previously used destinations.
> 
> Once you get lets say Publics Supermarket selected just double tap it.
> 
> Then there will be one more OK button to tap on that will update your
> trips destination.
> 
> The waiting time price for Uber is very low its approximately $.20 a
> minute, it will vary slightly depending on your city.
> 
> Most drivers will be willing to wait say about 5 minutes at an
> intermediate stop, but if it gets to be a long time, you may be more
> likely to find a driver who will ask you to request another Uber when
> you are ready to go.  The reason they may not want to wait is the low
> per minute time based charge instead of the higher per mile charge
> when they are moving.
> 
> This will vary market to market and driver to driver.
> 
> I mean in New York City at 10:00pm on a Saturday night they may not
> want to wait for you for 30 minutes at a CVS, but in a smaller town
> with less busy traffic, they may be more willing to wait.
> 
> Also if you want to here more about this from a driver perspective,
> there is a video linked below on Youtube from The Ride Share Guy:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y88sQNeJ168
> 
> But again if your just stopping somewhere for about 5 minutes or less
> you should be fine.
> 
> For example when I work from home I will use the Starbucks app to
> place a mobile order, go to the Starbucks and pick it up, and then
> have the same Uber wait for me.
> 
> Also sometimes if I am taking a long trip I will have them first stop
> at Starbucks, usually I'll do the order on the mobile app, and then
> we'll go forth with the long trip.
> 
> Best,
> Mika
> @pyyhkala
> 
> 
> On 10/11/16, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
>> Hi:
>> I live in the suburbs so I could wait 15-20 min for a car. I don’t want to
>> wait if I’m at the grocery store, or ordering food at a restaurant.
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never tried something that elaborate but the drivers will work with
>>> you.  As long as they are willing you can adapt the trip as needed.  Of
>>> course as already noted this is going to make it hard to predict your
>>> final fair.  I thought I read something a while back about Lyft providing
>>> this option but if it ever happened it isn’t obvious to me upon cursory
>>> examination of the app.
>>> I never considered that it would be cheaper to have them wait if it isn’t
>>> long but that makes sense given that there’s an initial minimum charge. I
>>> usually just order a new one for the next leg of the journey but they are
>>> plentiful where I live so I am usually not waiting very long.
 On Oct 10, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
  wrote:
 
 
 Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
 
 Hi guys:
 I’ve only used Uber to go from point A,  to point B. My question is can
 you use Uber to run several different errands at once without having to
 call for multiple trips?  If so, how can you do this in the app, then
 find the Uber driver once you exit your stores?
 As an example, I call Uber, want to go to the grocery store, will be
 there only 5 min to grab milk and bread. Then, I want to go to CVS to run
 inside and pick up an RX. Then I want to call in an order to Beef
 O’bradys for takeout. I’d then have to walk inside the restaurant, pickup
 food, get back in uber. Then I want to swing through the Starbucks drive
 through  to pickup a large tea. Then, return home. This is an example,
 but I don’t want to have to call an Uber after each trip. For one thing,
 probably a 15 minute wait.. and my food will get cold!
 
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Re: an Uber question

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi Sarai,

I do a short version of this regularly, often when I come back home after going 
to the Lawn bowls club, my wife may ask me to get something from the store. I 
would call for the cab with the store as my destination. On rout to the shop, I 
would ask the driver not to end the trip when we arrive, then just before I get 
out, I change the end destination to my home.

There are a few ways to look at the question, "is this expensive?" Objectively, 
I would say no. Using an Uber cab to do several things in one trip is obviously 
cheeper than doing 3 or 4 different trips from point to point. For those who do 
not know, Uber charges a flat minimum rate per trip, and those can pile up. 
Using  My very specific situation, the flat rate for Uber in South Africa is 
R20. Usually a trip from the Bowls Club to my preferred store is about R33. The 
trip from home to the same store is the minimum R20.

Thus, if I were to call 1 Uber, and another one to get home, it should cost me 
about R53. When using only 1 Uber for both destinations in one trip, it usually 
works out to between R45 and R48. Saving anywhere between R5 and R8.

Subjectively Uber is expensive, of course! Though once again objectivity comes 
to the rescue. I calculated the difference between actually owning a Car and 
using Uber a few months back, once again for South Africa, for this is where I 
live.

The difference is unbelievable! In my personal situation, using on average R400 
on Uber trips a month, and where owning a small Car and using it fore the same 
trips comes to R8000 a month. This puts my uber cost at about 5% of the cost of 
a car. So objectively, once again, Uber is, not, expensive.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 

Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com 

Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp 
> On 12 Oct 2016, at 3:52 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> When did you select your next destination? Was a multi-destination trip like 
> that really expensive?
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Brandt Steenkamp > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sarai,
>> 
>> I have done similar trips as the one you suggested earlier, you can actually 
>> change your destination in the Uber App. The process does not immediately 
>> come to mind. Once you are in your trip, the relevant button is quite easy 
>> to find using VO.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> Contact:
>> 
>> Phone:
>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
>> 
>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp 
>>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 2:59 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> I live in the suburbs so I could wait 15-20 min for a car. I don’t want to 
>>> wait if I’m at the grocery store, or ordering food at a restaurant.
 On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. >>> > wrote:
 
 I’ve never tried something that elaborate but the drivers will work with 
 you.  As long as they are willing you can adapt the trip as needed.  Of 
 course as already noted this is going to make it hard to predict your 
 final fair.  I thought I read something a while back about Lyft providing 
 this option but if it ever happened it isn’t obvious to me upon cursory 
 examination of the app.
 I never considered that it would be cheaper to have them wait if it isn’t 
 long but that makes sense given that there’s an initial minimum charge.  I 
 usually just order a new one for the next leg of the journey but they are 
 plentiful where I live so I am usually not waiting very long.
> On Oct 10, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
> mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
> 
> Hi guys:
> I’ve only used Uber to go from point A,  to point B. My question is can 
> you use Uber to run several different errands at once without having to 
> call for multiple trips?  If so, how can you do this in the app, then 
> find the Uber driver once you exit your stores? 
> As an example, I call Uber, want to go to the grocery store, will be 
> there only 5 min to grab milk and bread. Then, I want to go to CVS to run 
> inside and pick up an RX. Then I want to call in an order to Beef 
> O’bradys for takeout. I’d then have to walk inside the restaurant, pickup 
> food, get back in uber. Then I want to swing through the Starbucks drive 
> through  to pickup a large tea. Then, return home. This is an example, 
>>>

Re: Voices in Sierra

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey Ray. Those voices are there as you say but they don't work with Voiceover.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Let me look and see a second.
> 
> Found it I think.  Here’s the path.
> 
> Macintosh/System/Library/Speech/Voices  and from that point on, each voice is 
> assigned its own folder.
> 
> So, I’m guessing that the male Siri voice would have this path:
> 
> Macintosh/System/Library/Speech/Voices/Aaron folder.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Ray, is there a specific folder you put voices if you want them to work 
>> with Voiceover? If so, where?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Shawn Krasniuk >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John. No, unfortunately not. BTW the preference pain to change voices in 
>>> system prefs is accessibility.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Jonathan Cohn >>> > wrote:
 
 Do they show up in the list of voices available for non VoiceOver speech? 
 I understand the Dictation and Voice control panel might have been 
 renamed, so I can't give a hint as to where to look.
 
Best wishes,
 
 Jonathan
 
 
 
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 3:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  > wrote:
> 
> The strange thing about that is that if you go into the finder, 
> Mackintosh HD, library, system, speech, and voices, you can see all the 
> Siri voices there. I'd love it if there was something out there to make 
> them work with Voiceover.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 1:15 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>> mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> No they haven’t, at least it’s not in the list of voices in VoiceOver 
>> Utility.
>>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 03:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am I correct in my assumption that in Sierra we didn't get access with 
>>> Voiceover to the male and female American Siri voices? I know there was 
>>> talk about them possibly including them like they did starting in iOS 
>>> 9, but as far as I can tell, they didn't actually do it on the OSX 
>>> side, as we thought they would.
>>> ---
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>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com 
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Panarese
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:00 PM
 Subject: Re: Voices in Sierra
 
   I just looked here and she is in my rotor, though all of the way 
 towards the bottom mixed with other languages. Does she show up in VO 
 Utility when you use the popup menu for default voice?
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
> On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:51 PM, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
> I have several voices selected in VO Utility and all but one show up 
> in the speech rotor. That one is Samantha. What's keeping her out of 
> sight?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 

The Twitter for iOS Night Mode Feature is Now Compatible with VoiceOver

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

I am delighted to inform you that the new Twitter for iOS Night Mode feature
is now VoiceOver compatible in the latest update to the app.  

Please join me in expressing appreciation to the Twitter developers for
addressing our request so quickly, in fact, within less than a month.  

I will paste in my original message on this subject, wherein you will find
the various contact channels that I recommend.  

This is truly a marvelous enhancement to an already outstanding social media
tool.

Mark 

-Original Message-
From: viph...@googlegroups.com [mailto:viph...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 2:39 PM
To: viph...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Please Join Me in Requesting That The New Night Mode Feature,
introduced in the Latest Version of the iOS Twitter App, Be Made VoiceOver
Accessible

Hello Everyone,

Recently, Twitter introduced a new accessibility feature called Night Mode.

As posted by I-Accessibility, Quote, Twitter for iOS has updated their app
with a feature called Night Mode that changes the app's color scheme to
allow for higher contrast text. This feature allows for users to read tweets
easier by showing text on a dark background with light colored text. ...
Turning on this feature will instantly switch your device to Night mode, End
Quote.
http://iaccessibility.net/index.php/2016/09/24/quick-tip-enable-night-mode-i
os-twitter-app/

Unfortunately, as was the case when Moments was introduced, the Night Mode
feature cannot be accessed when VoiceOver is enabled.

Please join me in requesting that Night Mode be made available even when
VoiceOver is enabled.

Post your request in the App Store as a review, send a tweet to both
@support and @Twitter, and send your request to Twitter via email at
supp...@twitter.com.

Thank you,

Mark

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Re: Moving to the top of my Email messages list

[christopher hallsworth]

Try option-command-up and option-command-down to move to the top or bottom of 
the list respectively.
> On 12 Oct 2016, at 00:32, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
> I used to be able to do this by making sure I was interacting with the 
> messages table and then pressing function+shift+vo+left arrow. Going to the 
> bottom of the list could be done in the same way, but with the right arrow 
> substituted for the left. Since upgrading to Sierra, this no longer seems to 
> work. I think I got it to happen a couple of times, but not any more. Is 
> there a new way?
> 
> Kristeen
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Re: Spamfilters.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The afternoon is to late for me Scot *lol*.
Well i am using crystone so i guess i have to check my settings there to get 
rid of it.
I take a look and take a plunge into the dark.
/A
> On 11 Oct 2016, at 11:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Oh come on Anders, there’s nothing like a little sex spam to spice up your 
> afternoon, hahaha.  (I’m kidding)
> 
> One way to attack the problem is to make sure you have spam filtration on 
> your mail server.  If you administer your own you can add that feature like 
> Spam Assassin for example.  If not you can see if your provider has an option 
> to engage that could help.  I usually address the problem on the server side 
> so not sure what client side things you should do but that’s one thing you 
> might look in to.
> 
> Good luck
> Scott
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Is there any good free or payed spamfilters for mac mail?
>> I have began to get a lot of sex spam and i really hate it.
>> If i did know the ip adress they’re coming from i guess i could use the 
>> hosts file in /etc but i can not get the ip adress of a mail?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
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