date:20160118

Hi!
Hmm, this has been going on for a week now so i don’t know how long i should 
wait then?
Thanks.
/A
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Re: conserning the Samsung printer SLM2020 printer recommended

Better save your message then.  Good to know for sure.  Many kind thanks.


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> On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:21 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Hello Ray.
> 
> I can set up the printer that I wrote to the list about without sighted 
> assistance.  You can download the Wireless setup and set it up using the Mac. 
>  However I did get a bit help though from Sabahattin, hope he won’t mind me 
> telling you all.  He helped me using FaceTime, only because I’m not too 
> confident about how to set up stuff on the Mac if I’ve not done anything 
> before.  The model and name of printer is, is Samsung M2022W A4 Printer 
> Xpress Mono Wireless Laser Printer.  There is a later model on Amazon but 
> it’s touch screen.  You want the one I have stated as it’s not touch screen.  
> It’s still sold on Amazon.  You can also get the cartridge from Amazon and 
> you must get the printer cable as it makes it easier to set it up over the 
> wireless network.
> 
> If you do have sighted help then all well and good.
> 
> Kawal.
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>> On 17 Jan 2016, at 10:19, Ray Foret Jr > > wrote:
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>> To the person who recommended the Samsung SLM2020 printer, (if I got the 
>> model wrong please feel free to correct me) is the printer set up possible 
>> without sighted assistance?  In other words, can I order it, get it 
>> delivered and independently set it up all by myself using either the 
>> software that comes with it or just plugging it in to the USB port on my 
>> Mac?  Thanks.
>> 
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Re: iPhone 5 screen will not lock

Maybe you have an app that sets your off button to take pictures. Try to turn 
off by holding the off and menu button at the same time. Next time, try to 
reset iPhone and do not back up, only download the apps you have bought again 
one and one. Not the app that may cause the problem. Your iPhone should be as 
new.

Takde care

17. jan. 2016 kl. 02:21 skrev Doug Lawlor :

Hi all,

I have an iPhone 5 and the screen will not lock. Pressing the lock button will 
take a screen shot. It almost seems like the home button is getting activated 
some how. Restoring the phone from a backup will fix it for about half a day 
and then the whole thing starts again. 
Has anyone seen this before and how did they fix it?

Thanks, 

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Apple's headphone scam

Friends,

If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, proprietary 
headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more e-waste for 
the rest of us.

Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on the 
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an obvious 
benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's this.  The plain 
fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack because you can get much 
better audio out of the lightning connecter than you can out of the 3.5MM jack. 
 With the use of the lightning connecter, you can take advantage of the high 
resolution audio format which Apple is said to be roling out soon.  Also, there 
are other advantages besides.  Don't fall for this emotional knee-jerk nonsense.


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> On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
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> Friends,
> 
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> headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more e-waste 
> for the rest of us.
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they can't 
have both options. All this means is that potentially people are going to find 
there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to headphone jack 
adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are pretty good at trying 
to corner their customers and force them into staying Apple. You can only use 
ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  and IBooks can only be 
accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can be read on both Amazons own 
devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't drag and drop files from your 
computer to your phone like you can with most other phones. You can't get 
content out of your phone from other apps like you can with other phones. As 
for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes only go as high as 256 kbps. If they 
cared about audio quality then surely this wouldn't be the case.  Spotify goes 
up to 320 kB per second, and services like tidal have los less audio quality.

Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people let 
Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something similar 
about their working conditions for their workers in China, but that's another 
issue. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
> obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's this.  
> The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack because you can 
> get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than you can out of the 
> 3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, you can take advantage 
> of the high resolution audio format which Apple is said to be roling out 
> soon.  Also, there are other advantages besides.  Don't fall for this 
> emotional knee-jerk nonsense.
> 
> 
> !
> 
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> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
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> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Friends,
>> 
>> If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, proprietary 
>> headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more e-waste 
>> for the rest of us.
>> 
>> Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on 
>> the iPhone: http://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/?sub=mtl
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  Sounds 
like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the lightning jack as 
well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can render true 5.1 
channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of course it cannot.  
As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that .m4a only goes up to 
256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not sure if you bothered to 
really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is soon going to role out true 
high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they will have the adapters for older 
headphone models.  
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> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they 
> can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are going 
> to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to 
> headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are pretty 
> good at trying to corner their customers and force them into staying Apple. 
> You can only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  and 
> IBooks can only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can be 
> read on both Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't drag 
> and drop files from your computer to your phone like you can with most other 
> phones. You can't get content out of your phone from other apps like you can 
> with other phones. As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes only go as 
> high as 256 kbps. If they cared about audio quality then surely this wouldn't 
> be the case.  Spotify goes up to 320 kB per second, and services like tidal 
> have los less audio quality.
> 
> Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
> possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
> this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people let 
> Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something similar 
> about their working conditions for their workers in China, but that's another 
> issue. Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr  > wrote:
> 
>> I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
>> obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's this. 
>>  The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack because you 
>> can get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than you can out of 
>> the 3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, you can take 
>> advantage of the high resolution audio format which Apple is said to be 
>> roling out soon.  Also, there are other advantages besides.  Don't fall for 
>> this emotional knee-jerk nonsense.
>> 
>> 
>> !
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Terje Strømberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Friends,
>>> 
>>> If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, proprietary 
>>> headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more e-waste 
>>> for the rest of us.
>>> 
>>> Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on 
>>> the iPhone: http://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/?sub=mtl 
>>> 
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Re: Using a 2nd Gen Victor Reader Stream with a Mac?

Hi Sharon,

In answer to your question of whether you can use a new-generation Victor 
Reader Stream using OS X, I do this all the time.  Either in USB mass storage 
mode or using an internal or external Mac card reader, you manage the storage 
just as you would on Windows, as described in the manual, but without the use 
of the software Humanware provides.  You simply perform standard Finder 
operations to copy files onto the card on Stream, and this works just fine.

The only major exception to the rule that you not need Windows is Audible.  If 
you want that, you must use Windows to obtain your activation file.  But once 
you have that, you can keep a copy of it safe, and go back to using OS X to 
copy Audible books onto the card.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point 
about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is that 
ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other providers. 
Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting this, just in the 
same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that there may be quite a lot 
of truth in what you've written my friend. I am however able to take a 
seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to Apple. I love their 
accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock customers into their 
products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple extremist, unable to 
find any fault with anything they do, advising people not to speak up against 
their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at least this helps Apple 
understand how their customers feel about their productts, which is very 
valuable for any business. My Apple extremism analogy seems further supported 
by your email signature. Apple is not a religion; it is a business. There is no 
need to respond to critiques of said business with suce emotive fervour.

Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. Hope 
you are too. 

.  ,

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
> Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the 
> lightning jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can 
> render true 5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of 
> course it cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that 
> .m4a only goes up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not 
> sure if you bothered to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is 
> soon going to role out true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they 
> will have the adapters for older headphone models.  
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they 
>> can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are going 
>> to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to 
>> headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are 
>> pretty good at trying to corner their customers and force them into staying 
>> Apple. You can only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  
>> and IBooks can only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can 
>> be read on both Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't 
>> drag and drop files from your computer to your phone like you can with most 
>> other phones. You can't get content out of your phone from other apps like 
>> you can with other phones. As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes only 
>> go as high as 256 kbps. If they cared about audio quality then surely this 
>> wouldn't be the case.  Spotify goes up to 320 kB per second, and services 
>> like tidal have los less audio quality.
>> 
>> Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
>> possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
>> this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people let 
>> Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something similar 
>> about their working conditions for their workers in China, but that's 
>> another issue. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
>>> obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's 
>>> this.  The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack 
>>> because you can get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than 
>>> you can out of the 3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, 
>>> you can take advantage of the high resolution audio format which Apple is 
>>> said to be roling out soon.  Also, there are other advantages besides.  
>>> Don't fall for this emotional knee-jerk nonsense.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> !
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 Friends,
 
 If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7

Re: Sun rise and Sunset on apple watch.

2016-01-18 Thread Donna Goodin

I have also on occasion had to actually open the watch app on my phone while 
the two are connected.  Not sure why doing that would matter, but it has helped.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Hmm, this has been going on for a week now so i don’t know how long i should 
> wait then?
> Thanks.
> /A
>> On 17 Jan 2016, at 22:30, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Usually when a complication just says “Unknown” it means that the data 
>> hasn’t reached the Watch yet.  Give it a bit while connected to your phone, 
>> lock and unlock the screen a couple of times, and you should eventually have 
>> the information.
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Ray,

You! are also failing to see something though.  You're point is valid and well 
taken, don't get me wrong here, but what about those who don't have headphones 
with a lightning connecter.  Or what about those like myself who use both 
Apple, and! Android products?  Are we gonna be left in the cold having to buy 
two different pares of headphones, and lug both them around with us?  Surely 
that seems absurd.

Before you say, there are adapters probably being made, take it from a guy 
who's a certified engineer.  If you take an 8th inch plug, and pop a lightning 
adapter on it, the bottom line is the signal is traveling down the line from 
the lightning, to the 3.5M plug, down the headphone cord, and to your 
earpieces.  The point being, that signal might have started as digital, giving 
you the new to come high resolution, but ultimately by the time it hits your 
ears, it will have been carried down the line to your stereo 3.5M jack in the 
adapter, and at that point, your headphones won't know what to do with that 
signal.  It would most likely be converted to an annalog signal.  Therefore, 
the only way you'd truly get that benefit is no adapter.  Plug directly in, 
which means new headphones for us, which means more marketting by Apple, and 
more money for Apple.

I'm just sayin'.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret Jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:17 AM
  Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam


  I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's this.  
The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack because you can 
get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than you can out of the 
3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, you can take advantage of 
the high resolution audio format which Apple is said to be roling out soon.  
Also, there are other advantages besides.  Don't fall for this emotional 
knee-jerk nonsense.




  !


  Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in


  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

  Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Terje Strømberg  
wrote:


Friends,

If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, proprietary 
headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more e-waste for 
the rest of us.

Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on 
the iPhone: http://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/?sub=mtl

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Ray, he never said m4A wouldn't go to 320.  He simply said the music in Apple's 
store/Apple Music doesn't go above 256.  That doesn't mean it can't be done 
over all by the consumer.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret Jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:09 AM
  Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam

  Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the lightning 
jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can render true 
5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of course it 
cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that .m4a only goes 
up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not sure if you bothered 
to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is soon going to role out 
true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they will have the adapters for 
older headphone models.  

  !

  Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

  Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they 
can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are going to 
find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to headphone 
jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are pretty good at 
trying to corner their customers and force them into staying Apple. You can 
only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  and IBooks can 
only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can be read on both 
Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't drag and drop files 
from your computer to your phone like you can with most other phones. You can't 
get content out of your phone from other apps like you can with other phones. 
As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes only go as high as 256 kbps. If 
they cared about audio quality then surely this wouldn't be the case.  Spotify 
goes up to 320 kB per second, and services like tidal have los less audio 
quality.

Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people let 
Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something similar 
about their working conditions for their workers in China, but that's another 
issue. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

  I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's this.  
The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack because you can 
get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than you can out of the 
3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, you can take advantage of 
the high resolution audio format which Apple is said to be roling out soon.  
Also, there are other advantages besides.  Don't fall for this emotional 
knee-jerk nonsense.

  !

  Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

  Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Terje Strømberg  
wrote:

Friends,

If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, 
proprietary headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more 
e-waste for the rest of us.

Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack 
on the iPhone: http://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/?sub=mtl

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

I wouldn't call this a comprentation, nor an argument.  I wouldn't even call it 
necessarily a debate.  I think both you and Ray have very valid points on an 
equal level.

Chris.

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  From: 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:49 AM
  Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam

  None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point 
about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is that 
ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other providers. 
Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting this, just in the 
same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that there may be quite a lot 
of truth in what you've written my friend. I am however able to take a 
seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to Apple. I love their 
accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock customers into their 
products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple extremist, unable to 
find any fault with anything they do, advising people not to speak up against 
their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at least this helps Apple 
understand how their customers feel about their productts, which is very 
valuable for any business. My Apple extremism analogy seems further supported 
by your email signature. Apple is not a religion; it is a business. There is no 
need to respond to critiques of said business with suce emotive fervour.

  Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. Hope 
you are too. 

  .  ,

  Sent from my iPhone

  On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the lightning 
jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can render true 
5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of course it 
cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that .m4a only goes 
up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not sure if you bothered 
to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is soon going to role out 
true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they will have the adapters for 
older headphone models.  

!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

  On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they 
can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are going to 
find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to headphone 
jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are pretty good at 
trying to corner their customers and force them into staying Apple. You can 
only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  and IBooks can 
only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can be read on both 
Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't drag and drop files 
from your computer to your phone like you can with most other phones. You can't 
get content out of your phone from other apps like you can with other phones. 
As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes only go as high as 256 kbps. If 
they cared about audio quality then surely this wouldn't be the case.  Spotify 
goes up to 320 kB per second, and services like tidal have los less audio 
quality.

  Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people let 
Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something similar 
about their working conditions for their workers in China, but that's another 
issue. Thanks.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's this.  
The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack because you can 
get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than you can out of the 
3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, you can take advantage of 
the high resolution audio format which Apple is said to be roling out soon.  
Also, there are other advantages besides.  Don't fall for this emotional 
knee-jerk nonsense.

!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in

Sincerely

Re: Apple's headphone scam

Point taken and well made.  For what it's worth, I rather doubt it will 
actually heppen that the headphone jack will go.  
!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Ray,
>  
> You! are also failing to see something though.  You're point is valid and 
> well taken, don't get me wrong here, but what about those who don't have 
> headphones with a lightning connecter.  Or what about those like myself who 
> use both Apple, and! Android products?  Are we gonna be left in the cold 
> having to buy two different pares of headphones, and lug both them around 
> with us?  Surely that seems absurd.
>  
> Before you say, there are adapters probably being made, take it from a guy 
> who's a certified engineer.  If you take an 8th inch plug, and pop a 
> lightning adapter on it, the bottom line is the signal is traveling down the 
> line from the lightning, to the 3.5M plug, down the headphone cord, and to 
> your earpieces.  The point being, that signal might have started as digital, 
> giving you the new to come high resolution, but ultimately by the time it 
> hits your ears, it will have been carried down the line to your stereo 3.5M 
> jack in the adapter, and at that point, your headphones won't know what to do 
> with that signal.  It would most likely be converted to an annalog signal.  
> Therefore, the only way you'd truly get that benefit is no adapter.  Plug 
> directly in, which means new headphones for us, which means more marketting 
> by Apple, and more money for Apple.
>  
> I'm just sayin'.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Ray Foret Jr 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam
>> 
>> I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
>> obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's this. 
>>  The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack because you 
>> can get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than you can out of 
>> the 3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, you can take 
>> advantage of the high resolution audio format which Apple is said to be 
>> roling out soon.  Also, there are other advantages besides.  Don't fall for 
>> this emotional knee-jerk nonsense.
>> 
>> 
>> !
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Terje Strømberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Friends,
>>> 
>>> If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, proprietary 
>>> headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more e-waste 
>>> for the rest of us.
>>> 
>>> Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on 
>>> the iPhone: http://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/?sub=mtl 
>>> 
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Re: Having trouble reading a document with VO

2016-01-18 Thread Andrew Lamanche

For me also, every time I press vo+a, it starts reading from the beginning of 
the document which is just nonsense so I don't use this feature any more.
> On 18 Jan 2016, at 02:48, denise avant  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I have some rather lengthy documents to review. I’m using text edit to read 
> these documents.
> So, if I am on page 3 of a document, and want to do a read from the cursor to 
> the end of the document, rather than starting where I have arrowed to, VO 
> starts reading several paragraphs back when I do VO-a.
> Initially, I thought this was an MS Word issue. But even when I switch to 
> text edit, the problem persists.
> Has anyone seen this issue? thanks.
> Is there a work around.
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently moved.  I don’t 
like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards either, but I’m also in the 
market for a new pair of travel headphones, and I actually would love a digital 
path between my iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor souls hurt 
by the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so silly as to 
buy expensive equipment with that connector.  And, yes, electronic waste is a 
terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt Apple will fail to provide a transition 
for users of the 3.5-mm plug.  I know it’s painful, but we do need to move 
forward.

JMO.

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Re: Having trouble reading a document with VO

Yeah, sometimes it happens that, if you are not careful, you can move the caret 
without also moving the VO cursor.  Interact with the text and make sure you 
can read using VO-up/VO-down before you take your hands off the VO keys.  In 
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a lightening adaptor?  
You mean there would be a different kind of thing to put in a socket?

I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When I sell my I 
phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they are still working by 
then.

Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently moved.  I don’t 
> like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards either, but I’m also in 
> the market for a new pair of travel headphones, and I actually would love a 
> digital path between my iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor 
> souls hurt by the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so 
> silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector.  And, yes, 
> electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt Apple will fail 
> to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm plug.  I know it’s painful, 
> but we do need to move forward.
> 
> JMO.
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye.  You'd have to get new headphones, if 
this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end, like your 
charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
  Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam

  Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a lightening 
adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of thing to put in a socket?

  I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When I sell my 
I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they are still working by 
then.

  Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
wrote:

I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently moved.  I 
don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards either, but I’m also 
in the market for a new pair of travel headphones, and I actually would love a 
digital path between my iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor 
souls hurt by the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so 
silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector.  And, yes, electronic 
waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt Apple will fail to provide a 
transition for users of the 3.5-mm plug.  I know it’s painful, but we do need 
to move forward.

JMO.

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Re: Why do I want an Airport router?

2016-01-18 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

I have an Airport Extreme and would not do without it.  Although I’m with BT 
plus net, I told them that I’d not want their router as I would want to have a 
router of my own because you get software on the router that is not always 
accessible or reliable.  I did have a branded router once from a network 
provider and the internet was horrible, the signal would drop and I’d get no 
internet for days as the router would not connect.  So after that experience, 
I’ve been with the Apple products and I’d not do without them.  I can listen to 
any radio station on my I phone or Mac and get no buffering.  With other 
routers it was buffering all the time and so one could not enjoy the music or 
whatever else one chose to listen to.

Just my opinion.

Kawal.
> On 18 Jan 2016, at 08:36, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Have apple produced an airport express device yet that does 802.ac, or is 
> that still limited to the airport extreme or timecapsule?
> 
> 
> 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Why do I want an Airport router?
> 
> So, you find them more reliable? No, my current router is N, not AC, and 
> can't cover the whole house. More importantly, it doesn't support any form of 
> NAS, and I'd rather not buy a wifi hard drive enclosure; it seems like 
> storage would be more reliable connected right to the router.
> 
> As to Airplay, I hadn't thought of that. Can someone briefly explain what the 
> differences are between the Express, Extreme, and any other models I may have 
> missed? What, exactly, would Airplay on a router let us do with media 
> playback around the house? Why would an Extreme router lack a feature an 
> Express one includes?
>> On Jan 17, 2016, at 19:04, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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>> You want—no, need—Apple AirPort because Apple makes it and Apple products 
>> are divine.
>> 
>> No, seriously, as usual with Apple you get what you pay for.  The throughput 
>> has indeed been surpassed by competitors, as has the feature set.  But, 
>> AirPort Extreme or Time Capsule will do exactly what you want, all day, 
>> every day, without giving you any trouble at all.  That is why I use them.  
>> Both software quality and robustness are simply top-notch.
>> 
>> No, AirPort Extreme or Time Capsule don’t do AirPlay.  You need Apple TV or 
>> AirPort Express for that.
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

   Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings 
us to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old 
obsolete habits and forming new ones.


   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last 
generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in 
line overnight to get that new Apple TV.


   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want 
change.


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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye.  You'd have to get new headphones,
if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
*To:* Macvisionaries 
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam

Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
thing to put in a socket?

I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When
I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
are still working by then.

Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:


I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards
either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor souls hurt by
the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so
silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector.  And,
yes, electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt
Apple will fail to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm
plug.  I know it’s painful, but we do need to move forward.

JMO.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread George Cassell

I came in a little late on this thread.  Will somebody please tell me who is 
the Democrat and who is the Republican in this debate?


On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:49 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

> None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point 
> about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is 
> that ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other 
> providers. Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting 
> this, just in the same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that 
> there may be quite a lot of truth in what you've written my friend. I am 
> however able to take a seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to Apple. 
> I love their accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock 
> customers into their products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple 
> extremist, unable to find any fault with anything they do, advising people 
> not to speak up against their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at 
> least this helps Apple understand how their customers feel about their 
> productts, which is very valuable for any business. My Apple extremism 
> analogy seems further supported by your email signature. Apple is not a 
> religion; it is a business. There is no need to respond to critiques of said 
> business with suce emotive fervour.
> 
> Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
> confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. Hope 
> you are too. 
> 
> .  ,
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
>> Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the 
>> lightning jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can 
>> render true 5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of 
>> course it cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that 
>> .m4a only goes up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not 
>> sure if you bothered to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is 
>> soon going to role out true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they 
>> will have the adapters for older headphone models.  
>> !
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they 
>>> can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are 
>>> going to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to 
>>> headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are 
>>> pretty good at trying to corner their customers and force them into staying 
>>> Apple. You can only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  
>>> and IBooks can only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can 
>>> be read on both Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't 
>>> drag and drop files from your computer to your phone like you can with most 
>>> other phones. You can't get content out of your phone from other apps like 
>>> you can with other phones. As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes 
>>> only go as high as 256 kbps. If they cared about audio quality then surely 
>>> this wouldn't be the case.  Spotify goes up to 320 kB per second, and 
>>> services like tidal have los less audio quality.
>>> 
>>> Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
>>> possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
>>> this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people 
>>> let Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something 
>>> similar about their working conditions for their workers in China, but 
>>> that's another issue. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
 obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's 
 this.  The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack 
 because you can get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than 
 you can out of the 3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, 
 you can take advantage of the high resolution audio format which Apple is 
 said to be roling out soon.  Also, there are other advantages besides.  
 Don't fall for this emotional knee-jerk nonsense.
 
 
 !
 
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Re: Why do I want an Airport router?

AirPort Express is still N, and is fit only for AirPlay and fast Ethernet-only 
routing, or in some cases, for use as an Ethernet extender.  Given that, with 
the right setup, a third-generation AppleTV now costs less to do a whole bunch 
of things including audio and video AirPlay, even this role is being severely 
challenged.  If I were living on my own in a small flat with no or low-demand 
Wi-Fi devices and cable connectivity that never exceeded 100 Mb/s, though, it’d 
be just dandy! :)

Time Capsule and AirPort Extreme are both AC and both do storage.  The 
difference is that the Extreme only does storage over its USB port.  (Formerly, 
the Extreme did not support Time Machine, but it now does.)

The essential difference between both the Extreme and Time Capsule and Express 
is that the latter supports AirPlay but not disks, and the former two support 
disks but not AirPlay.  Express has Fast Ethernet (100 Mb/s) and 802.11N Wi-Fi; 
the Extreme and Time Capsule are both gigabit Ethernet and 802.11AC.  The 
Express has two gigabit ports; the Extreme and Time Capsule have four.  This 
includes the port used for your external connectivity.  All of these products 
include a NAT and IPv6 Ethernet router (IP routing or PPPoE) and dual-band 
Wireless Access Point function, which you typically use together (enabling the 
guest network function), but you can choose to use them separately.  All three 
can connect to existing Wi-Fi networks as mere clients, which kills the 
Ethernet ports, and extend WDS Wi-Fi networks, which doesn’t.

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Re: Why do I want an Airport router?

2016-01-18 Thread Mike Arrigo

I got an airport router not too long ago, works well. The main advantage is 
that it's very easy to set up and configure. Granted, you could get routers 
from other brands at the same price with more features, but if it's mainly 
performance you want, the airport will work well. It does not have a web 
interface the way other routers do, and some people think this is a 
disadvantage, and I agree somewhat, but I have no regrets about getting it.
> On Jan 17, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Hey all,
> I'm considering what to do for a new, modern router. We're running the cable 
> modem/router combo from Time Warner, but I hate it. Mostly, I want 
> network-based storage support, and better throughput. We all use Apple 
> products, and most of them can handle AC wifi. My question, though, is 
> whether I'd be better off with an Airport router of some kind, or a cheaper 
> router that has the same wifi features? Put another way, what's the advantage 
> to using Apple routers over cheaper alternatives? I'd like to save money if I 
> can, but are there features in the Airport line that make one of them 
> compelling? A Spider or a Nighthawk would do more than fine for non-Apple 
> options, but is there a good reason I would prefer an Airport? Thanks in 
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:44, George Cassell  wrote:
> I came in a little late on this thread.  Will somebody please tell me who is 
> the Democrat and who is the Republican in this debate?

Never mind that—where’s the link to Nazi Germany on this thread?

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk 
when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards 
and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices. 
What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it 
out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little 
3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In 
all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew 
where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple 
dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include 
headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end 
headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll 
look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all 
disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche 
or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about 
those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words 
in some camps :)


CB

On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:
Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us 
to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old 
obsolete habits and forming new ones.


   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last 
generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in 
line overnight to get that new Apple TV.


   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want 
change.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new headphones,
if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
*To:* Macvisionaries 
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam

Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
thing to put in a socket?

I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When
I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
are still working by then.

Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:


I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards
either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor souls hurt by
the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so
silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector. And,
yes, electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt
Apple will fail to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm
plug.  I know it’s painful, but we do need to move forward.

JMO.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

   Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we 
these days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we not?


   Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can 
jump off at the next stop. There is always the next train.


   78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.

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On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
in some camps :)

CB

On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:

Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
obsolete habits and forming new ones.

   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
line overnight to get that new Apple TV.

   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
change.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new headphones,
if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
*To:* Macvisionaries 
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam

Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
thing to put in a socket?

I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When
I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
are still working by then.

Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:


I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards
either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor souls hurt by
the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so
silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector. And,
yes, electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt
Apple will fail to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm
plug.  I know it’s painful, but we do need to move forward.

JMO.

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2016-01-18 Thread Phil Halton

I can get red laser to scan barcodes, but I can never find the descriptive text 
that tells me what I just scanned. This never used to be the case, it always 
worked great and I could read cans of soup etc. What is happened to good old 
red laser? Is it still usable?


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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long 
distance to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and 
downloading walkthroughs for Zork :)


CB

On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:
Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we 
these days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we 
not?


   Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can 
jump off at the next stop. There is always the next train.


   78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
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On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
in some camps :)

CB

On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:

Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
obsolete habits and forming new ones.

   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
line overnight to get that new Apple TV.

   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
change.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new 
headphones,
if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the 
end,

like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
*To:* Macvisionaries 
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam

Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
thing to put in a socket?

I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  
When

I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
are still working by then.

Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:


I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary 
standards

either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor souls hurt by
the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so
silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector. And,
yes, electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt
Apple will fail to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm
plug.  I know it’s painful, but we do need to move forward.

JMO.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Bottom line for me is that I trust apple. I have for years. They say if you are 
an apple fan to never get too attached to anything because apple likes to 
change things up. :) No company is perfect so I don’t expect perfection but I 
do trust that if apple makes a change it will all be just fine. Sometimes 
change is for the better and sometimes it’s a mistake but either way, I’m just 
not worried. The current headphone jack has been around for a long  long 
time…so, who knows? I’m sure that some people freaked out when apple went with 
a smooth touch screen on their phones instead of the tactile num pad. Wow, I 
cannot imagine our society today without our smart phones and their touch 
screens. I remember when  some people thought there was no way that the 
VI/blind community could ever use a touch screen. I’m just saying, relax. :) 
I’m just not worried, not to mention the fact that this is all speculation and 
rumors, we’ll cross that bridge if and when we get to it. If it happens, it 
happens and we will probably deal with the minor inconvenience of getting used 
to the change or maybe even love it. That’s just part of our modern world and 
the way of technology growing and changing. It’s not just apple. :)

Christina

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Jonathan Mosen

Hi everyone, while technology must advance, I'm troubled by replacing a 
universal standard with a proprietary connector, and would far rather see an 
industry-wide standard agreed upon, in the same way that USB C was adopted and 
is now being used by Apple on the new Macs.
This has been all over social media, but for those who haven't read it yet, 
here's my blog post on the accessibility ramifications of the removal of the 
headphone jack.
http://mosen.org/index.php/an-iphone-without-a-headphone-jack-the-accessibility-ramifications/
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 19/01/2016, at 6:47 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long distance 
> to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and downloading 
> walkthroughs for Zork :)
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we these 
>> days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we not?
>> 
>>   Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can jump 
>> off at the next stop. There is always the next train.
>> 
>>   78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
>>> when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
>>> and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
>>> What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
>>> out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
>>> 3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
>>> all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
>>> where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
>>> dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
>>> headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
>>> headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
>>> look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
>>> disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
>>> or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
>>> those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
>>> in some camps :)
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
 to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
 obsolete habits and forming new ones.
 
   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
 generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
 line overnight to get that new Apple TV.
 
   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
 change.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new headphones,
> if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
> like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
> Chris.
> 
>- Original Message -
>*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
>*To:* Macvisionaries 
>*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
>*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam
> 
>Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
>lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
>thing to put in a socket?
> 
>I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When
>I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
>are still working by then.
> 
>Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
>>moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards
>>either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
>>headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
>>iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor souls hurt by
>>the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so
>>silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector. And,
>>yes, electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I dou

Re: Is red laser still usable

Not to me.  I get the same result.


!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I can get red laser to scan barcodes, but I can never find the descriptive 
> text that tells me what I just scanned. This never used to be the case, it 
> always worked great and I could read cans of soup etc. What is happened to 
> good old red laser? Is it still usable?
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Quite right, well said. All change is positive, and all progress is made in the 
interests of the majority. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it does 
bring up some valid encerns about the expense that might be incurred by people 
having to try and purchase solutions to make their speakers and headphones 
work. Sometimes I connect my phone to my speakers via the headphone jack. I 
don't want to have to buy special equipment such as a new amp and speakers. 
Sometimes change happens in order to help a company to make more money and 
force people to buy more of their products, which they can charge as much as 
they like for because it's proprietary. If they could provide an adapter then 
maybe this ouldn't be such a concern.

As for the democrat republican uestion: I am in the UK where our political 
situation is unquestionably perfect. No, obviously that was a joke.   ..

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jan 2016, at 17:47, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long distance 
> to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and downloading 
> walkthroughs for Zork :)
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we these 
>> days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we not?
>> 
>>   Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can jump 
>> off at the next stop. There is always the next train.
>> 
>>   78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
>>> when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
>>> and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
>>> What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
>>> out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
>>> 3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
>>> all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
>>> where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
>>> dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
>>> headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
>>> headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
>>> look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
>>> disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
>>> or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
>>> those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
>>> in some camps :)
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
 On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
 to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
 obsolete habits and forming new ones.
 
   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
 generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
 line overnight to get that new Apple TV.
 
   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
 change.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
> On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new headphones,
> if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
> like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
> Chris.
> 
>- Original Message -
>*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
>*To:* Macvisionaries 
>*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
>*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam
> 
>Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
>lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
>thing to put in a socket?
> 
>I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When
>I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
>are still working by then.
> 
>Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
>>moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards
>>either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
>>headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
>>iPhone and m

Hi Jonathan,
Fine explanation thanks for sharing. I am not an iphone user, but must
agree that an industry wide solution is much much better. headphones are
a highly personal thing these days, even a fashion statement for some.
Additionally given the needs of an aging population, where is
the practicality of making a port that can create sound quality conflicts,
aids not withstanding?

Karen

On Tue, 19 Jan 2016, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

Hi everyone, while technology must advance, I'm troubled by replacing a
universal standard with a proprietary connector, and would far rather see an
industry-wide standard agreed upon, in the same way that USB C was adopted and
is now being used by Apple on the new Macs.
This has been all over social media, but for those who haven't read it yet,
here's my blog post on the accessibility ramifications of the removal of the
headphone jack.
http://mosen.org/index.php/an-iphone-without-a-headphone-jack-the-accessibility-ramifications/
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 19/01/2016, at 6:47 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long distance
to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and downloading walkthroughs for Zork
:)

On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:

Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we these days?
We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we not?

Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can jump off
at the next stop. There is always the next train.

78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
in some camps :)

On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:

Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
obsolete habits and forming new ones.

For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
line overnight to get that new Apple TV.

So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
change.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new headphones,
if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu
*To:* Macvisionaries
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam

Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
lightening adaptor? You mean there would be a different kind of
thing to put in a socket?

I don???t understand this headphone lightening connector thing. When
I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
are still working by then.

Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:

I???m afraid I just can???t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
moved. I don???t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards
either, but I???m also in the market for a new pair of travel
headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
iPhone and my headset. I was not among those poor souls hurt by
the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so
silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector. And,
yes, electr

Re: Apple's headphone scam

I think the issue with Apple “Moving on” is that the consumer is never ready 
for it.  In a sense, that’s a testament to Apple’s forward-thinking approach, 
but it also means that they are the first to draw the fire for having the 
audacity to bring something to market without standardising it by committee 
first, which I legitimately believe has its drawbacks.  I do sometimes wish 
standards were more often on the table, for sure.  And it’s not as if Apple 
doesn’t enjoy the closed, vertical approach, because it helps their bottom line 
(remember FireWire?).  And sometimes Apple makes false moves: dropping optical 
has thus far been a boon for laptops but has not seen quite as much love on the 
desktop and AIO side (iMac, now the thinnest desktop you’ll ever use, if you 
don’t mind that you can’t play your DVDs in it or remote-control it any more).

So, I understand the anger and criticism.  I also confidently predict that 
history will repeat itself, and in a decade or so we’ll all be fondly 
remembering the 3.5 mm plug and the good old days. :)

As for my hopes, I hope that Apple will not fragment the market and that an 
open standard will emerge.  It is either that, or the standard in question 
becomes Lightning.  Otherwise, in a decade we’ll all be remembering with 
fondness the days when one could plug ones audio equipment into any available 
headphone or mini-SPDIF socket.

I wonder why Apple did not replace the headphone socket with a mini-SPDIF 
socket?  Now *that* would have been a smart move …

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Great blog post Jonathan. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jan 2016, at 18:17, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, while technology must advance, I'm troubled by replacing a 
> universal standard with a proprietary connector, and would far rather see an 
> industry-wide standard agreed upon, in the same way that USB C was adopted 
> and is now being used by Apple on the new Macs.
> This has been all over social media, but for those who haven't read it yet, 
> here's my blog post on the accessibility ramifications of the removal of the 
> headphone jack.
> http://mosen.org/index.php/an-iphone-without-a-headphone-jack-the-accessibility-ramifications/
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 19/01/2016, at 6:47 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long 
>> distance to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and downloading 
>> walkthroughs for Zork :)
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we these 
>>> days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we not?
>>> 
>>>   Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can jump 
>>> off at the next stop. There is always the next train.
>>> 
>>>   78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
 when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
 and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
 What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
 out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
 3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
 all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
 where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
 dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
 headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
 headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
 look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
 disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
 or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
 those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
 in some camps :)
 
 CB
 
> On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:
> Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
> to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
> obsolete habits and forming new ones.
> 
>   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
> generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
> line overnight to get that new Apple TV.
> 
>   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
> change.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new headphones,
>> if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
>> like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
>> Chris.
>> 
>>- Original Message -
>>*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
>>*To:* Macvisionaries 
>>*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
>>*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam
>> 
>>Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
>>lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
>>thing to put in a socket?
>> 
>>I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When
>>I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
>>are still working by then.
>> 
>>Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>>mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
>>>moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards
>>>either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
>>>headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
>>>iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor sou

Re: Apple's headphone scam

   Oh Zork! Is it still alive? I never got far in it but twas a neat 
text advcenture game.


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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/18/2016 9:47 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long
distance to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and
downloading walkthroughs for Zork :)

CB

On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:

Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we
these days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we
not?

   Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can
jump off at the next stop. There is always the next train.

   78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
in some camps :)

CB

On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:

Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
obsolete habits and forming new ones.

   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
line overnight to get that new Apple TV.

   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
change.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new
headphones,
if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the
end,
like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
*To:* Macvisionaries 
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam

Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
thing to put in a socket?

I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing. When
I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
are still working by then.

Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:


I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary
standards
either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor souls hurt by
the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so
silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector. And,
yes, electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt
Apple will fail to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm
plug.  I know it’s painful, but we do need to move forward.

JMO.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread David Chittenden

According to various rumour sources, there are a few reasons Apple is likely to 
abandon the headset jack.

Thin iPhone - the iPhone is as thin as it can be currently. Apple likes thin 
devices, and so do several 'people I have asked. The jack needs to go for any 
thinner to be possible.

Water resistance - Apparently, Apple is looking to make a waterproof device. 
they reportedly can make the lightning port waterproof, but not the headset 
jack.

End-to-end display - Apple has pattented a way to embed a fingerprint reader 
across the bottom of the display, so no more home button. The display 
technology requires the space that the headset jack is currently occupying.

Reportedly, Apple has a lightning to 3.5 mm headset adaptor. However, there are 
some rumours claiming Apple will replace the lightning port for the USB port 
found in the new MacBook.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Jan 2016, at 02:49, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point 
> about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is 
> that ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other 
> providers. Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting 
> this, just in the same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that 
> there may be quite a lot of truth in what you've written my friend. I am 
> however able to take a seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to Apple. 
> I love their accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock 
> customers into their products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple 
> extremist, unable to find any fault with anything they do, advising people 
> not to speak up against their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at 
> least this helps Apple understand how their customers feel about their 
> productts, which is very valuable for any business. My Apple extremism 
> analogy seems further supported by your email signature. Apple is not a 
> religion; it is a business. There is no need to respond to critiques of said 
> business with suce emotive fervour.
> 
> Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
> confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. Hope 
> you are too. 
> 
> .  ,
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
>> Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the 
>> lightning jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can 
>> render true 5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of 
>> course it cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that 
>> .m4a only goes up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not 
>> sure if you bothered to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is 
>> soon going to role out true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they 
>> will have the adapters for older headphone models.  
>> !
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they 
>>> can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are 
>>> going to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to 
>>> headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are 
>>> pretty good at trying to corner their customers and force them into staying 
>>> Apple. You can only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  
>>> and IBooks can only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can 
>>> be read on both Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't 
>>> drag and drop files from your computer to your phone like you can with most 
>>> other phones. You can't get content out of your phone from other apps like 
>>> you can with other phones. As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes 
>>> only go as high as 256 kbps. If they cared about audio quality then surely 
>>> this wouldn't be the case.  Spotify goes up to 320 kB per second, and 
>>> services like tidal have los less audio quality.
>>> 
>>> Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
>>> possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
>>> this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people 
>>> let Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something 
>>> similar about their working conditions for their workers in China, bu

Re: Why do I want an Airport router?

Alex,

I don’t have the link handy but somewhere on apple’s website they have a chart 
comparing the express, extreme, and time capsule. We are actually wanting to 
update our almost 4 year old time capsule and so we are in the market for a 
router and I find this conversation very interesting.

One thing to think about if you are considering purchasing an apple router is 
if it is a good time to buy or if apple is about to update or refresh the 
current model. This is the thing I have been trying to figure out because I 
don’t want to purchase one and then in three months apple updates the model I 
just purchased.  I can’t seem to find any information as to what year the 
current model is. I don’t know if the apple airport extreme came out this year 
or two or three years ago. I do know that it’s newer than my time Capsule. That 
is all I can figure out so far.

Also, I love having a guest network from the apple router. I don’t know what 
other routers offer this. It gives me peace of mind when my kids neighborhood 
friends want to use our wifi when they come over. I don’t mind sharing the 
guest network at all. :) I don’t have to give out our password to our personal 
wifi nor do I have to even worry one tiny bit about hacking from all these 
kids. ha ha, not likely but I feel much better when it’s not even a factor and 
I can be generous instead of cringing when people ask for our wifi password.  
I’m sure that there are other routers that have a guest network I just don’t 
know of them. My husband wanted to try google’s router but best we can figure, 
their is no guest network and I don’t know if it would be accessible. Our next 
router definitely needs to have a guest network. I have heard that there are 
faster and better routers than apple’s but I guess it comes down to trust and 
ease of use, especially with regards to accessibility. 

We do use a airport express as a wireless wifi extender. I don’t know if an 
express can be used with any brand of router but it does work well with our 
time capsule.

Please share any info you learn through your research because I am open to 
trying something new but only if I know that I won’t have to have sighted 
assistance do everything for me.  I surely would love something friendlier to 
my wallet. :) I’m pretty sure that in the end we will stick with apple but I 
prefer to make an informed choice.

Christina

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

E.T.  wrote:
>Oh Zork! Is it still alive? I never got far in it but twas a neat text
> advcenture game.

If I remember correctly, it was made freely available by the current copyright
holder. You should be able to use it under OS X in the terminal with an
interpreter program such as Frotz, which is designed to run Infocom story
files.

Be careful to check the copyright status before downloading Zork however.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

   And there is the Lost Treasures iOS app which was last updated in 
2013 but last I read, it was not accessible.


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On 1/18/2016 11:17 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

E.T.  wrote:

Oh Zork! Is it still alive? I never got far in it but twas a neat text
advcenture game.



If I remember correctly, it was made freely available by the current copyright
holder. You should be able to use it under OS X in the terminal with an
interpreter program such as Frotz, which is designed to run Infocom story
files.

Be careful to check the copyright status before downloading Zork however.



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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Hmm, I’m not convinced that making the thinnest iPhone ever is their priority. 
The newest iPhone is a tad thicker than the previous year and I personally 
think that a better battery should be the priority over a thinner phone. That’s 
just me though. I believe their are other waterproof phones on the market. Do 
these have regular headphone jacks. My philosophy is not to stress about it 
because rumors and speculation are just that. I guess only time will tell what 
apple’s “secret” plans are. :)

Christina
> On Jan 18, 2016, at 12:12 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> According to various rumour sources, there are a few reasons Apple is likely 
> to abandon the headset jack.
> 
> Thin iPhone - the iPhone is as thin as it can be currently. Apple likes thin 
> devices, and so do several 'people I have asked. The jack needs to go for any 
> thinner to be possible.
> 
> Water resistance - Apparently, Apple is looking to make a waterproof device. 
> they reportedly can make the lightning port waterproof, but not the headset 
> jack.
> 
> End-to-end display - Apple has pattented a way to embed a fingerprint reader 
> across the bottom of the display, so no more home button. The display 
> technology requires the space that the headset jack is currently occupying.
> 
> Reportedly, Apple has a lightning to 3.5 mm headset adaptor. However, there 
> are some rumours claiming Apple will replace the lightning port for the USB 
> port found in the new MacBook.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

It's been a while but, last I checked, the Zoom app to play various 
Infocom games was fairly accessible.


http://www.logicalshift.co.uk/unix/zoom/

CB

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text advcenture game.


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On 1/18/2016 9:47 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long
distance to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and
downloading walkthroughs for Zork :)

CB

On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:

Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we
these days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we
not?

   Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can
jump off at the next stop. There is always the next train.

   78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.

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On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for 
keyboards

and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the 
little
3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still 
good? In

all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice 
high-end
headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now 
we'll

look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some 
niche

or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting 
words

in some camps :)

CB

On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:

Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
obsolete habits and forming new ones.

   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
line overnight to get that new Apple TV.

   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
change.

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On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new
headphones,
if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the
end,
like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
*To:* Macvisionaries 
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam

Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
thing to put in a socket?

I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing. 
When
I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if 
they

are still working by then.

Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:


I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary
standards
either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor souls 
hurt by

the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so
silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector. And,
yes, electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I 
doubt

Apple will fail to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm
plug.  I know it’s painful, but we do need to move forward.

JMO.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

I don’t suppose Activision will mind too terribly if you buy the Lost Treasures 
app, then unpack it and extract the game data files, which you can then play in 
Frotz.  It would be the honest thing to do if you’ve paid for them.

But, honestly, these games have been so thoroughly treasured and looted by now, 
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See this thread:
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Re: requesting help from anyone using linux sonar in a virtual machine

2016-01-18 Thread matthew dyer

Hi,

I had the same problem.  I was able to confer,m that orca was running by 
pressing orca space and I think it came up, I just had no speech.  Thanks.  I 
was also using work station.

Matthew


> On Jan 17, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> i was going to play with fiddora but i could not get the screenreader started 
> at install.
> i was using work station.
>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 8:02 AM, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think kindle said he hopes to have it out in march when the new sonar 
>> image is do.  I am in the process of trying to download faddorra 23 work 
>> station so will see how it goes.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey,
>>> are there much advantages of using sonar over say ubuntu mate witch still 
>>> uses the nome desktop?
>>> i hate the Unity system's.
>>> when will this new installer for sonar be usible?
>>> i can't even get to the point that you reach.
 On 18 Jan 2016, at 4:05 AM, matthew dyer  
 wrote:
 
 Michael,
 
 I do not have the problem you describe, but do the fact that the installer 
 is not working the way it should I can not get through install process.  I 
 for instance, can not activate the next button after causing english as 
 the language.  It is a mess.  BTW, I joined the manjaro dev list to watch 
 the development of manjaro and sonar and the new installer that sonar will 
 be using is now working for the most part according to kindle clark.   
 Just wanted to pass that along to give you heads up.  
 
 Matthew
 
 
> On Jan 17, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey,
> i am sorry i'm posting here but it's the only place i know of.
> it would not let me proceed, there is something about that ISO file that 
> Fusion absolutely hates.
> it knows that it is a linux disc but i can't get past that screen.
> i like ubuntu mate but still i want to have a play with this one.
>> On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:39 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You don’t need to extract the files from a Linux ISO image to boot from 
>> the ISO.  Tell VMWare Fusion to simply install from disk or disk image 
>> during the setup of the VM.  It should then detect the OS, or something 
>> close to it, and allow you to proceed.
>> 
>> I don’t use Sonar so I can’t help you with details of that particular 
>> flavour of Linux, and this isn’t really the right list for that.  
>> However, if it boots with sound, you should be golden at that point 
>> since the sound card is provided by VMWare and Linux has the driver.
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Michael Marshall

if this shockingly stupid decision is taken by apple do you think adapters 
would become available?
this would be a very stupid decision, think of the bad press is what i would be 
screaming at them.
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 5:17 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, while technology must advance, I'm troubled by replacing a 
> universal standard with a proprietary connector, and would far rather see an 
> industry-wide standard agreed upon, in the same way that USB C was adopted 
> and is now being used by Apple on the new Macs.
> This has been all over social media, but for those who haven't read it yet, 
> here's my blog post on the accessibility ramifications of the removal of the 
> headphone jack.
> http://mosen.org/index.php/an-iphone-without-a-headphone-jack-the-accessibility-ramifications/
>  
> 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 19/01/2016, at 6:47 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long 
>> distance to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and downloading 
>> walkthroughs for Zork :)
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we these 
>>> days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we not?
>>> 
>>>   Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can jump 
>>> off at the next stop. There is always the next train.
>>> 
>>>   78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
 when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
 and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
 What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
 out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
 3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
 all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
 where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
 dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
 headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
 headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
 look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
 disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
 or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
 those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
 in some camps :)
 
 CB
 
 On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:
> Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
> to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
> obsolete habits and forming new ones.
> 
>   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
> generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
> line overnight to get that new Apple TV.
> 
>   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
> change.
> 
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> 
> On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new headphones,
>> if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
>> like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
>> Chris.
>> 
>>- Original Message -
>>*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
>>*To:* Macvisionaries 
>>*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
>>*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam
>> 
>>Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
>>lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
>>thing to put in a socket?
>> 
>>I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When
>>I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
>>are still working by then.
>> 
>>Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>>mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
>>>moved.  I don’t like planned obso

Re: Is red laser still usable

2016-01-18 Thread Phil Halton

I wonder if there is a decent replacement app? Got any ideas? It used to be 
great to be able to just read a barcode and hear what the product was.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jan 18, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
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> Not to me.  I get the same result.
> 
> 
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I can get red laser to scan barcodes, but I can never find the descriptive 
>> text that tells me what I just scanned. This never used to be the case, it 
>> always worked great and I could read cans of soup etc. What is happened to 
>> good old red laser? Is it still usable?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Michael Marshall

i do not agree with proprietary Technologies especially with audio Products.
i don't think apple can see past getting the iPhone 1 inch thinner why that 
matters i don't know but i think the Dollar signs are very persuasive for them. 
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 5:29 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Quite right, well said. All change is positive, and all progress is made in 
> the interests of the majority. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it 
> does bring up some valid encerns about the expense that might be incurred by 
> people having to try and purchase solutions to make their speakers and 
> headphones work. Sometimes I connect my phone to my speakers via the 
> headphone jack. I don't want to have to buy special equipment such as a new 
> amp and speakers. Sometimes change happens in order to help a company to make 
> more money and force people to buy more of their products, which they can 
> charge as much as they like for because it's proprietary. If they could 
> provide an adapter then maybe this ouldn't be such a concern.
> 
> As for the democrat republican uestion: I am in the UK where our political 
> situation is unquestionably perfect. No, obviously that was a joke.   ..
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 17:47, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long 
>> distance to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and downloading 
>> walkthroughs for Zork :)
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we these 
>>> days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we not?
>>> 
>>>  Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can jump 
>>> off at the next stop. There is always the next train.
>>> 
>>>  78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
 when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
 and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
 What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
 out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
 3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
 all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
 where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
 dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
 headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
 headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
 look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
 disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
 or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
 those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
 in some camps :)
 
 CB
 
> On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:
> Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
> to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
> obsolete habits and forming new ones.
> 
>  For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
> generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
> line overnight to get that new Apple TV.
> 
>  So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
> change.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new headphones,
>> if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
>> like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
>> Chris.
>> 
>>   - Original Message -
>>   *From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
>>   *To:* Macvisionaries 
>>   *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
>>   *Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam
>> 
>>   Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
>>   lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
>>   thing to put in a socket?
>> 
>>   I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When
>>   I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
>>   are still working by then.
>> 
>>   Kawal. On 18

Re: requesting help from anyone using linux sonar in a virtual machine

2016-01-18 Thread Michael Marshall

how strange is that?
i still would say that ubuntu mate is still the best.
i like the nome architecture.
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 7:03 AM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I had the same problem.  I was able to confer,m that orca was running by 
> pressing orca space and I think it came up, I just had no speech.  Thanks.  I 
> was also using work station.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> i was going to play with fiddora but i could not get the screenreader 
>> started at install.
>> i was using work station.
>>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 8:02 AM, matthew dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think kindle said he hopes to have it out in march when the new sonar 
>>> image is do.  I am in the process of trying to download faddorra 23 work 
>>> station so will see how it goes.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 17, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Michael Marshall  
 wrote:
 
 hey,
 are there much advantages of using sonar over say ubuntu mate witch still 
 uses the nome desktop?
 i hate the Unity system's.
 when will this new installer for sonar be usible?
 i can't even get to the point that you reach.
> On 18 Jan 2016, at 4:05 AM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Michael,
> 
> I do not have the problem you describe, but do the fact that the 
> installer is not working the way it should I can not get through install 
> process.  I for instance, can not activate the next button after causing 
> english as the language.  It is a mess.  BTW, I joined the manjaro dev 
> list to watch the development of manjaro and sonar and the new installer 
> that sonar will be using is now working for the most part according to 
> kindle clark.   Just wanted to pass that along to give you heads up.  
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Michael Marshall 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hey,
>> i am sorry i'm posting here but it's the only place i know of.
>> it would not let me proceed, there is something about that ISO file that 
>> Fusion absolutely hates.
>> it knows that it is a linux disc but i can't get past that screen.
>> i like ubuntu mate but still i want to have a play with this one.
>>> On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:39 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You don’t need to extract the files from a Linux ISO image to boot from 
>>> the ISO.  Tell VMWare Fusion to simply install from disk or disk image 
>>> during the setup of the VM.  It should then detect the OS, or something 
>>> close to it, and allow you to proceed.
>>> 
>>> I don’t use Sonar so I can’t help you with details of that particular 
>>> flavour of Linux, and this isn’t really the right list for that.  
>>> However, if it boots with sound, you should be golden at that point 
>>> since the sound card is provided by VMWare and Linux has the driver.
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Re: Cutting the cable

2016-01-18 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

Here on Verizon in the states there is no separate charge for tethering. 
It just uses up whatever data plan you already have on the phone. I have 
a 1GB plan so if I turn on tethering my phone just shows up as a wifi 
hotspot. I can then connect my Mac laptop to it and download/send email 
or whatever. Kind of handy when you're somewhere without wifi. One 
warning is that if you have two devices tethered, if they talk to each 
other that counts as data up and back from your provider. I was reading 
about one person who had two kids sharing a game of Minecraft on two 
iPads via his iPhone and they quickly ate through his data plan even 
though they were just connecting to each other (no external servers are 
needed for Minecraft).


CB

On 1/10/16 2:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

“Personal Hotspot” (or “Tethering”) is Apple’s silly name for using your iPhone 
to share a limited Internet connection to other devices, with the primary 
connectivity being provided to the phone by your carrier.  With the “Personal 
Hotspot” feature, your iPhone broadcasts a wireless signal that your other 
devices can connect with, much as you do home Wi-Fi.  Options also exist for 
using Bluetooth PAN (which still has its uses on devices that have support for 
it) or a USB cable.  It is very similar to, but not the same as, using your 
phone as a modem, because the iPhone shares your connection with all the 
computers and devices connected to it.  You are really better off buying a 
dedicated device for this function though, because the feature has restrictions 
imposed on it by Apple and/or the carriers that make it pretty useless for 
anything but travel situations.

I don’t know about your network, but down here in the UK the “Unlimited” plans 
distinguish tethered and non-tethered usage.  You usually pay extra for the 
feature to be switched on as part of your plan, and then there is typically a 
separate cap just for tethering that is distinct from the unlimited phone 
usage.  Pretty stupid, really, when you realise that you can easily hook up 
your phone to a TV an enjoy a full 1080P HD movie just using the phone.  
Clearly, “Unlimited” is a deception, but our neoliberal advertising authority 
is just fine with it, seemingly because everybody in the industry is doing it 
and they don’t regard it as false advertising so long as only a small number of 
potential buyers are inconvenienced.  Rant rant rant, etc.



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Re: Is red laser still usable

This is the first time I heard of Red Lazer. I am always looking for
something better for reading cans and such.
Vaughn

On 1/18/16, Phil Halton  wrote:
> I wonder if there is a decent replacement app? Got any ideas? It used to be
> great to be able to just read a barcode and hear what the product was.
>
> Sent from my IPhone
>
>
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>
>> Not to me.  I get the same result.
>>
>>
>> !
>>
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>> built-in
>>
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless
>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>
>>> I can get red laser to scan barcodes, but I can never find the
>>> descriptive text that tells me what I just scanned. This never used to be
>>> the case, it always worked great and I could read cans of soup etc. What
>>> is happened to good old red laser? Is it still usable?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

   The very dollar sign is what drives progress. And also drives 
entrepreneurs to start up and develop new products. So those who think 
so lowly of Apple are certainly free to take a stab at it. Guaranteed 
that those new products would elicit the same negativity too. There is 
no Goldilocks rule in the market place.


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On 1/18/2016 12:28 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

i do not agree with proprietary Technologies especially with audio Products.
i don't think apple can see past getting the iPhone 1 inch thinner why that 
matters i don't know but i think the Dollar signs are very persuasive for them.

On 19 Jan 2016, at 5:29 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Quite right, well said. All change is positive, and all progress is made in the 
interests of the majority. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it does 
bring up some valid encerns about the expense that might be incurred by people 
having to try and purchase solutions to make their speakers and headphones 
work. Sometimes I connect my phone to my speakers via the headphone jack. I 
don't want to have to buy special equipment such as a new amp and speakers. 
Sometimes change happens in order to help a company to make more money and 
force people to buy more of their products, which they can charge as much as 
they like for because it's proprietary. If they could provide an adapter then 
maybe this ouldn't be such a concern.

As for the democrat republican uestion: I am in the UK where our political 
situation is unquestionably perfect. No, obviously that was a joke.   ..

Sent from my iPhone


On 18 Jan 2016, at 17:47, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long distance 
to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and downloading walkthroughs for Zork 
:)

CB


On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:
Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we these days? 
We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we not?

  Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can jump off 
at the next stop. There is always the next train.

  78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.

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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?


On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
in some camps :)

CB


On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:
Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
obsolete habits and forming new ones.

  For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
line overnight to get that new Apple TV.

  So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
change.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?


On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new headphones,
if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
Chris.

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
   *To:* Macvisionaries 
   *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
   *Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam

   Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
   lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
   thing to put in a socket?

   I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When
   I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Devin Prater

Frotz on iOS is usable too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 1:28 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's been a while but, last I checked, the Zoom app to play various Infocom 
> games was fairly accessible.
> 
> http://www.logicalshift.co.uk/unix/zoom/
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 1/18/16 1:56 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>   Oh Zork! Is it still alive? I never got far in it but twas a neat text 
>> advcenture game.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 1/18/2016 9:47 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long
>>> distance to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and
>>> downloading walkthroughs for Zork :)
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
 On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we
 these days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we
 not?
 
   Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can
 jump off at the next stop. There is always the next train.
 
   78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
> On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
> when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
> and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
> What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
> out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
> 3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
> all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
> where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
> dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
> headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
> headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
> look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
> disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
> or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
> those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
> in some camps :)
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
>> to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
>> obsolete habits and forming new ones.
>> 
>>   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
>> generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
>> line overnight to get that new Apple TV.
>> 
>>   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
>> change.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new
>>> headphones,
>>> if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the
>>> end,
>>> like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>>- Original Message -
>>>*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
>>>*To:* Macvisionaries 
>>>*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
>>>*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam
>>> 
>>>Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
>>>lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
>>>thing to put in a socket?
>>> 
>>>I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing. When
>>>I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
>>>are still working by then.
>>> 
>>>Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>>>mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:
 
I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary
 standards
either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor souls hurt by
the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so
silly as t

Re: Is red laser still usable

2016-01-18 Thread Cameron Strife

I'd love something to actually use the video camera to actively scan
for the bar code instead of tap tap see or camfind where you have to
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On 1/18/16, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> This is the first time I heard of Red Lazer. I am always looking for
> something better for reading cans and such.
> Vaughn
>
> On 1/18/16, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> I wonder if there is a decent replacement app? Got any ideas? It used to
>> be
>> great to be able to just read a barcode and hear what the product was.
>>
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not to me.  I get the same result.
>>>
>>>
>>> !
>>>
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
>>> blind
>>> built-in
>>>
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless
>>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>
 On Jan 18, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

 I can get red laser to scan barcodes, but I can never find the
 descriptive text that tells me what I just scanned. This never used to
 be
 the case, it always worked great and I could read cans of soup etc.
 What
 is happened to good old red laser? Is it still usable?


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Re: iPhone 5 screen will not lock

Let us know if that works. I had to replace mine as the lockscreen
button was not at all working.
Vaughn

On 1/18/16, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> Maybe you have an app that sets your off button to take pictures. Try to
> turn off by holding the off and menu button at the same time. Next time, try
> to reset iPhone and do not back up, only download the apps you have bought
> again one and one. Not the app that may cause the problem. Your iPhone
> should be as new.
>
> Takde care
>
> 17. jan. 2016 kl. 02:21 skrev Doug Lawlor :
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have an iPhone 5 and the screen will not lock. Pressing the lock button
> will take a screen shot. It almost seems like the home button is getting
> activated some how. Restoring the phone from a backup will fix it for about
> half a day and then the whole thing starts again.
> Has anyone seen this before and how did they fix it?
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Re: Is red laser still usable

Red Laser still works but it has not been updated in well over a year.

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On 1/18/2016 12:45 PM, Cameron Strife wrote:

I'd love something to actually use the video camera to actively scan
for the bar code instead of tap tap see or camfind where you have to
take a picture and hope you're correct... It's time consuming...

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On 1/18/16, Vaughn Brown wrote:

This is the first time I heard of Red Lazer. I am always looking for
something better for reading cans and such.
Vaughn

On 1/18/16, Phil Halton wrote:

I wonder if there is a decent replacement app? Got any ideas? It used to
be
great to be able to just read a barcode and hear what the product was.

Sent from my IPhone

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Not to me. I get the same result.

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On Jan 18, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

I can get red laser to scan barcodes, but I can never find the
descriptive text that tells me what I just scanned. This never used to
be
the case, it always worked great and I could read cans of soup etc.
What
is happened to good old red laser? Is it still usable?

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Re: history on safari

As I do not tinker with Safara too much this is a guess. Does Safara
have a history clearing option whenever you close your session? I know
internet explorer does.
I hope this helps.
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Re: history on safari

2016-01-18 Thread joseph hudson

Hello, yes it does. It's all the way down at the bottom of year history of 
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> I hope this helps.
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>> time i load safari but i didn't change any configuration. and i already
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RE: Is red laser still usable

2016-01-18 Thread Alan Lemly

Red Laser also stopped working for me so I'm using Digit-Eyes for my
scanning.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 12:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is red laser still usable

 

Not to me.  I get the same result.

 

 

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built-in

 

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

 

On Jan 18, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

 

I can get red laser to scan barcodes, but I can never find the descriptive
text that tells me what I just scanned. This never used to be the case, it
always worked great and I could read cans of soup etc. What is happened to
good old red laser? Is it still usable?


Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

I wasn't necessarily saying change wasn't a good thing.  If you took it that 
way, I apologize.  The only real reason that I would be irritated if this 
happens is the fact that I couldn't then easily pipe my phone into my mixer 
for audio production work.  Honestly, if I was going to use headphones, I'd 
go the bluetooth route.


Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam


   Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings
us to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
obsolete habits and forming new ones.

   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
line overnight to get that new Apple TV.

   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
change.

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On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye.  You'd have to get new headphones,
if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
*To:* Macvisionaries 
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam

Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
thing to put in a socket?

I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When
I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
are still working by then.

Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:


I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards
either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor souls hurt by
the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so
silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector.  And,
yes, electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt
Apple will fail to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm
plug.  I know it’s painful, but we do need to move forward.

JMO.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Again, I say:

I wasn't debating nor arguing anything, as much as trying to make some valid 
observations.  Don't read between my lines, please.  Smile.

Chris.

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  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:44 AM
  Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam

  I came in a little late on this thread.  Will somebody please tell me who is 
the Democrat and who is the Republican in this debate?

  On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:49 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your 
point about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is 
that ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other 
providers. Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting this, 
just in the same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that there may be 
quite a lot of truth in what you've written my friend. I am however able to 
take a seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to Apple. I love their 
accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock customers into their 
products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple extremist, unable to 
find any fault with anything they do, advising people not to speak up against 
their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at least this helps Apple 
understand how their customers feel about their productts, which is very 
valuable for any business. My Apple extremism analogy seems further supported 
by your email signature. Apple is not a religion; it is a business. There is no 
need to respond to critiques of said business with suce emotive fervour.

Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. Hope 
you are too. 

.  ,

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On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

  Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the lightning 
jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can render true 
5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of course it 
cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that .m4a only goes 
up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not sure if you bothered 
to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is soon going to role out 
true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they will have the adapters for 
older headphone models.  

  !

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  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

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On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why 
they can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are 
going to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to 
headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are pretty 
good at trying to corner their customers and force them into staying Apple. You 
can only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  and IBooks can 
only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can be read on both 
Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't drag and drop files 
from your computer to your phone like you can with most other phones. You can't 
get content out of your phone from other apps like you can with other phones. 
As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes only go as high as 256 kbps. If 
they cared about audio quality then surely this wouldn't be the case.  Spotify 
goes up to 320 kB per second, and services like tidal have los less audio 
quality.

Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really 
be possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people let 
Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something similar 
about their working conditions for their workers in China, but that's another 
issue. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

  I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking 
an obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's this. 
 The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack because you can 
get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than you can out of the 
3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, you can take advantage of 
the high resolution audio format which Apple is said to be roling out soon.  
Also, there

Re: Apple's headphone scam


Wut?

LOL!

Chris.

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To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam


On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:44, George Cassell  wrote:
I came in a little late on this thread.  Will somebody please tell me who 
is the Democrat and who is the Republican in this debate?


Never mind that—where’s the link to Nazi Germany on this thread?

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Devin Prater

On the headphone debate, I know a few people at the technical school I go to 
that don't use headphones, who just have their phone blasting out their info as 
they text and such. So some blind users won't be effected at all by the change, 
lol.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Wut?
> 
> LOL!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 
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> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 11:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam
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>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:44, George Cassell  wrote:
>> I came in a little late on this thread.  Will somebody please tell me who is 
>> the Democrat and who is the Republican in this debate?
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

What I! want to know is, if they're doing away with the home button, then how 
will we get to our home screen, or for that mind tripple click to start 
Voiceover?  I guess it would be capassitive button, kind of like the home icon 
is on most Android devices?

I'm not so much worried about how they'll do it, provided that they make sure 
to keep us blind individuals with accessibility needs in mind, which I'm quite 
confident they will do so.

Chris.

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  From: David Chittenden 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 2:12 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam


  According to various rumour sources, there are a few reasons Apple is likely 
to abandon the headset jack.


  Thin iPhone - the iPhone is as thin as it can be currently. Apple likes thin 
devices, and so do several 'people I have asked. The jack needs to go for any 
thinner to be possible.


  Water resistance - Apparently, Apple is looking to make a waterproof device. 
they reportedly can make the lightning port waterproof, but not the headset 
jack.


  End-to-end display - Apple has pattented a way to embed a fingerprint reader 
across the bottom of the display, so no more home button. The display 
technology requires the space that the headset jack is currently occupying.


  Reportedly, Apple has a lightning to 3.5 mm headset adaptor. However, there 
are some rumours claiming Apple will replace the lightning port for the USB 
port found in the new MacBook.

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 19 Jan 2016, at 02:49, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your 
point about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is 
that ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other 
providers. Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting this, 
just in the same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that there may be 
quite a lot of truth in what you've written my friend. I am however able to 
take a seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to Apple. I love their 
accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock customers into their 
products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple extremist, unable to 
find any fault with anything they do, advising people not to speak up against 
their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at least this helps Apple 
understand how their customers feel about their productts, which is very 
valuable for any business. My Apple extremism analogy seems further supported 
by your email signature. Apple is not a religion; it is a business. There is no 
need to respond to critiques of said business with suce emotive fervour.


Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. Hope 
you are too. 


.  ,

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:


  Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the lightning 
jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can render true 
5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of course it 
cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that .m4a only goes 
up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not sure if you bothered 
to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is soon going to role out 
true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they will have the adapters for 
older headphone models.  

  !


  Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in


  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

  Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why 
they can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are 
going to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to 
headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are pretty 
good at trying to corner their customers and force them into staying Apple. You 
can only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  and IBooks can 
only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can be read on both 
Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't drag and drop files 
from your computer to your phone like you can with most other phones. You can't 
get content out of your phone from other apps like you can with other phones. 
As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes only go as high as 256 kbps. If 
they cared ab

Re: Apple's headphone scam

Standards are good.  I love standards.

Europe standardised on Micro USB so iPhone users could charge from many points. 
 Apple’s response was to make us an adaptor, at cost, which is not available 
outside the EEA.  This rather negated its purpose, of course; now you had to 
remember to bring the adaptor with your phone.

The Lightning connector itself uses an authentication process, now broken, so 
that the manufacturers might bend over.  The consumer gets part of that cost, 
of course, and Apple now has control over the supply chain.

 However, I’m reluctant to ascribe motives without hard evidence (except when 
I’m ranting, natch).  The fact is that Lightning is superior to Micro USB.  On 
the other feeler, it’s less clear what the reasons are for requiring 
authentication of the Lightning adaptors themselves, but sadly, the closest 
logical reason is money.  When Apple delivers a consumer benefit, we eventually 
forgive.  It’s not often they come close like this.  As with Apple’s recent 
deliberate sabotaging of the Apple Watch Qi charger, this does feel very much 
like another back massage for shareholders.

Is it OK to accept the bad when there is also good?  That’s something we can 
only really decide with our wallets when choice exists.  I think we all agree 
that we don’t have choice.  In that respect, at least, this is a fairly 
pointless discussion. :(

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Devin Prater

Maybe a one finger triple press.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> What I! want to know is, if they're doing away with the home button, then how 
> will we get to our home screen, or for that mind tripple click to start 
> Voiceover?  I guess it would be capassitive button,  kind of like the home 
> icon is on most Android devices?
>  
> I'm not so much worried about how they'll do it, provided that they make sure 
> to keep us blind individuals with accessibility needs in mind, which I'm 
> quite confident they will do so.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: David Chittenden
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 2:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam
> 
> According to various rumour sources, there are a few reasons Apple is likely 
> to abandon the headset jack.
> 
> Thin iPhone - the iPhone is as thin as it can be currently. Apple likes thin 
> devices, and so do several 'people I have asked. The jack needs to go for any 
> thinner to be possible.
> 
> Water resistance - Apparently, Apple is looking to make a waterproof device. 
> they reportedly can make the lightning port waterproof, but not the headset 
> jack.
> 
> End-to-end display - Apple has pattented a way to embed a fingerprint reader 
> across the bottom of the display, so no more home button. The display 
> technology requires the space that the headset jack is currently occupying.
> 
> Reportedly, Apple has a lightning to 3.5 mm headset adaptor. However, there 
> are some rumours claiming Apple will replace the lightning port for the USB 
> port found in the new MacBook.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Jan 2016, at 02:49, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your 
>> point about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which 
>> is that ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other 
>> providers. Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting 
>> this, just in the same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that 
>> there may be quite a lot of truth in what you've written my friend. I am 
>> however able to take a seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to 
>> Apple. I love their accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock 
>> customers into their products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple 
>> extremist, unable to find any fault with anything they do, advising people 
>> not to speak up against their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at 
>> least this helps Apple understand how their customers feel about their 
>> productts, which is very valuable for any business. My Apple extremism 
>> analogy seems further supported by your email signature. Apple is not a 
>> religion; it is a business. There is no need to respond to critiques of said 
>> business with suce emotive fervour.
>> 
>> Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
>> confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. 
>> Hope you are too. 
>> 
>> .  ,
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
>>> Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the 
>>> lightning jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can 
>>> render true 5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of 
>>> course it cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that 
>>> .m4a only goes up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not 
>>> sure if you bothered to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is 
>>> soon going to role out true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they 
>>> will have the adapters for older headphone models.  
>>> !
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they 
 can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are 
 going to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning 
 to headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are 
 pretty good at trying to corner their customers and force them into 
 staying Apple. You can only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android 
 devices.  and IBooks can only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle 
 books can be read on both Amazons ow

Re: Apple's headphone scam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

I don't so much think I'd go as far as to call this stupid. that's a little
strong, although I definitely would be willing to call it agrevating, that's
for sure!

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: Michael Marshall
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam

if this shockingly stupid decision is taken by apple do you think adapters
would become available?
this would be a very stupid decision, think of the bad press is what i would
be screaming at them.

On 19 Jan 2016, at 5:17 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

http://mosen.org/index.php/an-iphone-without-a-headphone-jack-the-accessibility-ramifications/

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On 19/01/2016, at 6:47 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long
distance to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and downloading
walkthroughs for Zork :)

On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:

Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we
these days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we not?

Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can
jump off at the next stop. There is always the next train.

78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.

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in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for
keyboards
and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the
little
3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good?
In
all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice
high-end
headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now
we'll
look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some
niche
or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting
words
in some camps :)

On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:

Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings
us
to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
obsolete habits and forming new ones.

For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand
in
line overnight to get that new Apple TV.

So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
change.

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On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new
headphones,
if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on
the end,
like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu
*To:* Macvisionaries
*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam

Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
lightening adaptor? You mean there would be a different kind
of

Re: requesting help with linux and VM Fusion on mac.

2016-01-18 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

Your Mac uses netbios to share its folders. This is why it's relatively
easier to share your host's file system in a Windows VMware guest
machine--netbios is natively a Microsoft way of doing such things.

You have two choices for access Mac hosted file systems under Linux
virtual machines:

1.) Install and configure Samba in order to get netbios services
under Linux. This is a common application, and apt-get on your Ubuntu
machine will know about Samba.

2.) Find, install and configure a NFS server on your Mac. NFS is the
preferred way to mount file systems hosted across a network under Linux,
and is easily configured on the Linux side of things. However, it's not
common on Mac to share using NFS.

PS: It's fairly easy to go the other way around with NFS. In other
words, it's fairly easy to read NFS exported file systems from a Linux
virtual host machine on the Mac host. In my situation I have my Airbook
configured to access files from my home office Linux servers using NFS.

The point here is that you're using network technology to mount remote
file systems--even though both machines are in the same physical box.
The communication between your Mac and your VMware virtual machines is
using TCP/IP.

hth

Janina

Michael Marshall writes:
> hey all,
> yesterday i at last got open VM tools installed on ubuntu mate v 15 so i 
> could hopefully share and mirror folders from the mac on my virtual machine.
> even after installing open VM tools i could not find my shared folders, nor 
> could i see anything in any of the folders i wanted to mirror between the two 
> machines.
> is there something that i'm doing wrong? the installation of open VM tools 
> went exactly according to plan but that was as far as i got.
> I find this incredibly irritating and i'm out of ideas.
> i even tried this on the mane ubuntu distro without any luck.
> 
> thanks for any help
> 
> Michael
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Re: Apple's headphone scam


Wait,

I may a misunderstood, but are you saying that if I went to Europe, I'd have 
to get a lightning to micro USB adapter to charge my phone?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam


Standards are good.  I love standards.

Europe standardised on Micro USB so iPhone users could charge from many 
points.  Apple’s response was to make us an adaptor, at cost, which is not 
available outside the EEA.  This rather negated its purpose, of course; now 
you had to remember to bring the adaptor with your phone.


The Lightning connector itself uses an authentication process, now broken, 
so that the manufacturers might bend over.  The consumer gets part of that 
cost, of course, and Apple now has control over the supply chain.


However, I’m reluctant to ascribe motives without hard evidence (except 
when I’m ranting, natch).  The fact is that Lightning is superior to Micro 
USB.  On the other feeler, it’s less clear what the reasons are for 
requiring authentication of the Lightning adaptors themselves, but sadly, 
the closest logical reason is money.  When Apple delivers a consumer 
benefit, we eventually forgive.  It’s not often they come close like this. 
As with Apple’s recent deliberate sabotaging of the Apple Watch Qi charger, 
this does feel very much like another back massage for shareholders.


Is it OK to accept the bad when there is also good?  That’s something we can 
only really decide with our wallets when choice exists.  I think we all 
agree that we don’t have choice.  In that respect, at least, this is a 
fairly pointless discussion. :(


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Re: Apple's headphone scam

You know... you have an extremely extremely valid point.  I didn't even think 
about making another finger gesture for the home key, or for enabling/disabling 
Voiceover.  Point very very well taken.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Devin Prater 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:17 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam

  Maybe a one finger triple press.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

What I! want to know is, if they're doing away with the home button, then 
how will we get to our home screen, or for that mind tripple click to start 
Voiceover?  I guess it would be capassitive button, kind of like the home icon 
is on most Android devices?

I'm not so much worried about how they'll do it, provided that they make 
sure to keep us blind individuals with accessibility needs in mind, which I'm 
quite confident they will do so.

Chris.

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  From: David Chittenden 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 2:12 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam

  According to various rumour sources, there are a few reasons Apple is 
likely to abandon the headset jack.

  Thin iPhone - the iPhone is as thin as it can be currently. Apple likes 
thin devices, and so do several 'people I have asked. The jack needs to go for 
any thinner to be possible.

  Water resistance - Apparently, Apple is looking to make a waterproof 
device. they reportedly can make the lightning port waterproof, but not the 
headset jack.

  End-to-end display - Apple has pattented a way to embed a fingerprint 
reader across the bottom of the display, so no more home button. The display 
technology requires the space that the headset jack is currently occupying.

  Reportedly, Apple has a lightning to 3.5 mm headset adaptor. However, 
there are some rumours claiming Apple will replace the lightning port for the 
USB port found in the new MacBook.

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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  Sent from my iPhone

  On 19 Jan 2016, at 02:49, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your 
point about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is 
that ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other 
providers. Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting this, 
just in the same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that there may be 
quite a lot of truth in what you've written my friend. I am however able to 
take a seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to Apple. I love their 
accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock customers into their 
products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple extremist, unable to 
find any fault with anything they do, advising people not to speak up against 
their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at least this helps Apple 
understand how their customers feel about their productts, which is very 
valuable for any business. My Apple extremism analogy seems further supported 
by your email signature. Apple is not a religion; it is a business. There is no 
need to respond to critiques of said business with suce emotive fervour.

Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. Hope 
you are too. 

.  ,

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

  Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple 
anyway.  Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the 
lightning jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can 
render true 5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of 
course it cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that .m4a 
only goes up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not sure if 
you bothered to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is soon going to 
role out true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they will have the 
adapters for older headphone models.  

  !

  Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

  Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon 
Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why 
they can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are 
going to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to 
headphone jack adapt

Re: Keyboard shortcuts broken after VMware's remote support

2016-01-18 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Hi, Sabahattin:

You're correct, and I'll follow through on this. I know I did some
mappings via the VMware settings menus. But I can no longer say whether
that was all the mapping I did. In other words, I did have Karabiner
installed, and it's very likely some mappings came via that app. It's
temporarily off my Mac because it wasn't successfully auto updating.
I'll put it back and see whether that helps.

My biggest problem with the apparent difference is that I can't reliably
access the vm. It used to be that I could release the mouse with
Option+Command and tab into the vm. I could even right arrow past Unity
and end up in the vm. None of that is working.

So, back to the drawing board and the debug process of walking all the
configuration steps. In truth I don't know whether VMware support broke
things, or whether the upgrade broke them. All I really know is that it
isn't behaving as before. 

Thanks again for the suggestion.

Janina

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> 
> How did you set up your keyboard shortcuts to start with.  System 
> Preferences?  Have you tried looking in there again?
> 
> I actually can’t imagine any situation in which a remote support tool would 
> reset the keyboard shortcuts you manually set, but I’m curious to know how 
> you think they were set originally.  Unless your remote support person 
> helpfully reset them all for you, which I imagine is entirely possible—in 
> that case, of course, your mappings would be lost and you would need to reset 
> them all to your preferences again.
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Hi Chris,

No, you could continue to use Lightning.  Europe simply standardised the 
universal charger to be Micro USB.  In other words, your phone had to support 
it, somehow, in order to be compliant.  This was intended to reduce electrical 
waste, a laudable goal in itself, by reducing the number of chargers required, 
and of course also had the positive side-effect of making it possible for any 
consumer to charge their phone anywhere there was a charging cable, pod, cradle 
or dock.  This is actually not dissimilar to the new type C USB connector that 
is at last happening.  Interestingly, Apple approved of the motion in 2009, but 
when the iPhone 5 was released, did not follow through on it.  The adaptor is 
quite a poor substitute.

Cheers,
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Re: problems with shared folders between mac and linux sold

2016-01-18 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Hmmm, hgfs? As in Mercurial?

I will take back what I just wrote, as I think I've just learned
something. And, yes, please share your steps. I would appreciate them.

Janina

mohammad suliman writes:
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> this was also my experience when I installed VMware on windows with Ubuntu.
> the documentation is terrible, so spent several hours trying to configure
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> 
> On 1/14/2016 5:55 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
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> >just wanting to let the list know that i have at last got my folders between 
> >mac and ubuntu working on VM Fusion.
> >even the instructions from VM were wrong on this.
> >i had to remove open VM tools because it would not mount the HGFS directory 
> >and install the VM tools that came with Fusion.
> >i moved the installer files to a temp folder in linux and ran a command to 
> >install from there.
> >if anyone wants the commands i will send them your way.
> >
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

   But if you go to Europe with AC powered devices in tow, you do need 
adapters. And that concept is exactly what will make this change by 
Apple quite edible if in fact it is true.


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in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/18/2016 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Wait,

I may a misunderstood, but are you saying that if I went to Europe, I'd
have to get a lightning to micro USB adapter to charge my phone?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam


Standards are good.  I love standards.

Europe standardised on Micro USB so iPhone users could charge from many
points.  Apple’s response was to make us an adaptor, at cost, which is
not available outside the EEA.  This rather negated its purpose, of
course; now you had to remember to bring the adaptor with your phone.

The Lightning connector itself uses an authentication process, now
broken, so that the manufacturers might bend over.  The consumer gets
part of that cost, of course, and Apple now has control over the supply
chain.

However, I’m reluctant to ascribe motives without hard evidence (except
when I’m ranting, natch).  The fact is that Lightning is superior to
Micro USB.  On the other feeler, it’s less clear what the reasons are
for requiring authentication of the Lightning adaptors themselves, but
sadly, the closest logical reason is money.  When Apple delivers a
consumer benefit, we eventually forgive.  It’s not often they come close
like this. As with Apple’s recent deliberate sabotaging of the Apple
Watch Qi charger, this does feel very much like another back massage for
shareholders.

Is it OK to accept the bad when there is also good?  That’s something we
can only really decide with our wallets when choice exists.  I think we
all agree that we don’t have choice.  In that respect, at least, this is
a fairly pointless discussion. :(



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Re: problems with shared folders between mac and linux sold

2016-01-18 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Well, I think the reason so few people use Linux desktops has more to do
with the Linux industry deciding to focus on the back office. There were
some very specific corporate decisions about this in the mid 2000's. I
was in the middle of them as Chair of the Open A11y work. All of sudden,
corporations were pulling staff assigned to work on Linux desktop
accessibility. But it what I saw was actually part of the wider
disinvestment in the Linux desktop itself.

Sharing files across OS environments isn't that hard. It's as old and as
reliable over TCP/IP as the ftp protocol, and all the major file systems
can be supported, if needed. Furthermore, tools like Libre Office can
read and write all kinds of file formats with minimal user involvement,
e.g. I haven't used Ms Word in well over a decade, but have no problem
reading docx files that I'm sent.

Just my 2 cents American on the topic.

Janina

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> The reason is that Open-VM-Tools is now using a FUSE driver that one installs 
> as part of the “open-vm-tools-desktop” package, whereas the proprietary tools 
> are using a dedicated vmhgfs kernel module that is now deprecated.  I no 
> longer use sharing because the dependency requirements are too heavy for a 
> headless machine.
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> This ought, incidentally, to be a nice illustration of why so many people 
> aren’t using Linux on their desktops. :)
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Re: problems with shared folders between mac and linux sold

Hi Janina

My point was really more that the integration was non-existent.  Of course we 
know how it’s done because we have the knowledge to suss it all out, but Mac 
and Windows users don’t even have the worry of learning.  I think VMWare made 
an important decision to allow distributors to bundle their tools, but 
unfortunately they can no longer depend on providing support or clear guidance 
on how to use them—that’s the overall curse of Linux and the reason why the Mac 
is the alternative to Windows for commercially developed and distributed 
software.

Which is not to say I want Linux to fail.  My experience, though, says it’s not 
practical for me.  At least, not until Firefox is usable and isn’t constantly 
being broken.

Cheers,
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Re: requesting help from anyone using linux sonar in a virtual machine

2016-01-18 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Did you run the integrity check on the ISO image? I have not used Sonar,
but there's surely some kind of checksum provided, and you should use it
to ascertain that the file you have on your local drive is a true copy
of the original. It might, for example, require you to run a sha command
of some kind.

One way beginners go wrong with iso files is to try and copy and paste
them to their cd burners.

As you were able to get at the files inside, the iso, you were clearly
able to mount it somewhere.

And, it's certainly possible it's a malformed iso image at the source.
Checksum should help disambiguate.

Janina

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> it would not let me proceed, there is something about that ISO file that 
> Fusion absolutely hates.
> it knows that it is a linux disc but i can't get past that screen.
> i like ubuntu mate but still i want to have a play with this one.
> > On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:39 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> > You don’t need to extract the files from a Linux ISO image to boot from the 
> > ISO.  Tell VMWare Fusion to simply install from disk or disk image during 
> > the setup of the VM.  It should then detect the OS, or something close to 
> > it, and allow you to proceed.
> > 
> > I don’t use Sonar so I can’t help you with details of that particular 
> > flavour of Linux, and this isn’t really the right list for that.  However, 
> > if it boots with sound, you should be golden at that point since the sound 
> > card is provided by VMWare and Linux has the driver.
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Re: requesting help from anyone using linux sonar in a virtual machine

2016-01-18 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

With Fedora, wait a little longer than you think necessary for the Live
image to boot, press Esc a few times, then do:

Alt+F2

and type
orca -s

Note you need the Live image.

Janina


Michael Marshall writes:
> i was going to play with fiddora but i could not get the screenreader started 
> at install.
> i was using work station.
> > On 18 Jan 2016, at 8:02 AM, matthew dyer  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I think kindle said he hopes to have it out in march when the new sonar 
> > image is do.  I am in the process of trying to download faddorra 23 work 
> > station so will see how it goes.
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jan 17, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Michael Marshall  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> hey,
> >> are there much advantages of using sonar over say ubuntu mate witch still 
> >> uses the nome desktop?
> >> i hate the Unity system's.
> >> when will this new installer for sonar be usible?
> >> i can't even get to the point that you reach.
> >>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 4:05 AM, matthew dyer  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Michael,
> >>> 
> >>> I do not have the problem you describe, but do the fact that the 
> >>> installer is not working the way it should I can not get through install 
> >>> process.  I for instance, can not activate the next button after causing 
> >>> english as the language.  It is a mess.  BTW, I joined the manjaro dev 
> >>> list to watch the development of manjaro and sonar and the new installer 
> >>> that sonar will be using is now working for the most part according to 
> >>> kindle clark.   Just wanted to pass that along to give you heads up.  
> >>> 
> >>> Matthew
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On Jan 17, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Michael Marshall 
>   wrote:
>  
>  hey,
>  i am sorry i'm posting here but it's the only place i know of.
>  it would not let me proceed, there is something about that ISO file that 
>  Fusion absolutely hates.
>  it knows that it is a linux disc but i can't get past that screen.
>  i like ubuntu mate but still i want to have a play with this one.
> > On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:39 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > You don’t need to extract the files from a Linux ISO image to boot from 
> > the ISO.  Tell VMWare Fusion to simply install from disk or disk image 
> > during the setup of the VM.  It should then detect the OS, or something 
> > close to it, and allow you to proceed.
> > 
> > I don’t use Sonar so I can’t help you with details of that particular 
> > flavour of Linux, and this isn’t really the right list for that.  
> > However, if it boots with sound, you should be golden at that point 
> > since the sound card is provided by VMWare and Linux has the driver.
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

In Apple store, a link to an expensive, but maybe good sounding Audeze EL-8 
Titanium headphones with both lightning/dac in the cable. Also have standard 
3.5mm jack.  
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HJLS2VC/A/audeze-el-8-titanium-closed-back-headphones

Take care

18. jan. 2016 kl. 14:58 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :

Ray,

You! are also failing to see something though.  You're point is valid and well 
taken, don't get me wrong here, but what about those who don't have headphones 
with a lightning connecter.  Or what about those like myself who use both 
Apple, and! Android products?  Are we gonna be left in the cold having to buy 
two different pares of headphones, and lug both them around with us?  Surely 
that seems absurd.

Before you say, there are adapters probably being made, take it from a guy 
who's a certified engineer.  If you take an 8th inch plug, and pop a lightning 
adapter on it, the bottom line is the signal is traveling down the line from 
the lightning, to the 3.5M plug, down the headphone cord, and to your 
earpieces.  The point being, that signal might have started as digital, giving 
you the new to come high resolution, but ultimately by the time it hits your 
ears, it will have been carried down the line to your stereo 3.5M jack in the 
adapter, and at that point, your headphones won't know what to do with that 
signal.  It would most likely be converted to an annalog signal.  Therefore, 
the only way you'd truly get that benefit is no adapter.  Plug directly in, 
which means new headphones for us, which means more marketting by Apple, and 
more money for Apple.

I'm just sayin'.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: Ray Foret Jr
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam

I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an obvious 
benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's this.  The plain 
fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack because you can get much 
better audio out of the lightning connecter than you can out of the 3.5MM jack. 
 With the use of the lightning connecter, you can take advantage of the high 
resolution audio format which Apple is said to be roling out soon.  Also, there 
are other advantages besides.  Don't fall for this emotional knee-jerk nonsense.

!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> Friends,
> 
> If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, proprietary 
> headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more e-waste 
> for the rest of us.
> 
> Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on 
> the iPhone: http://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/?sub=mtl
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Re: problems with shared folders between mac and linux sold

2016-01-18 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Well, if you mean the integration of all the tools in an out of the box
installed product, it's certainly there on Linux for many users. The
a11y use case has also been demonstrated by small distro knockoffs like
Vinux.

It's not there, however, at the level that you can head over to Best Buy
and come with a working Linux desktop system. So, it's always possible
you will fail over driver issues and the like.

Each to their own, of course. But my main machine remains a Linux,
currently Fedora 23. I turn to my Mac to see how things work elsewhere
by way of comparison. Ditto for my Windows vm.

I will freely admit there are particular niche tasks I can't do on my
Linux box. But they are few. I 'm perfectly happy with the bulk of what
I need daily, email, web, etc. And, in case your curious, I still spend
more time in Speakup than in Orca.

Given what I'm seeing by way of a11y API development, I frankly expect
blink related a11y to actually take the lead. Microsoft have barely
started implementing an API for UI Automation, but they've declared the
DOM dead. Look out JAWS. And Apple won't even let you peek at the OSX
accessibility API--not even if you're a big, stock market listed third
party vendor.

Janina

Sabahattin Gucukoglu writes:
> Hi Janina
> 
> My point was really more that the integration was non-existent.  Of course we 
> know how it’s done because we have the knowledge to suss it all out, but Mac 
> and Windows users don’t even have the worry of learning.  I think VMWare made 
> an important decision to allow distributors to bundle their tools, but 
> unfortunately they can no longer depend on providing support or clear 
> guidance on how to use them—that’s the overall curse of Linux and the reason 
> why the Mac is the alternative to Windows for commercially developed and 
> distributed software.
> 
> Which is not to say I want Linux to fail.  My experience, though, says it’s 
> not practical for me.  At least, not until Firefox is usable and isn’t 
> constantly being broken.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Hi!
And why fight about this?
Its what it is and we can not do much about it.
Even if we sign a petition or anything i don’t think its gonna be worse.
Why don’t make voiceover more accessible and more flexible.
Personally i would like apple to understand how important voiceover is for us 
blind people.
It seems to me that they are a bit  inatentive these days.
So come on now guys and lets fight for a better voiceover instead.
/A
> On 18 Jan 2016, at 13:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
> Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the 
> lightning jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can 
> render true 5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of 
> course it cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that 
> .m4a only goes up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not 
> sure if you bothered to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is 
> soon going to role out true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they 
> will have the adapters for older headphone models.  
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they 
>> can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are going 
>> to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to 
>> headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are 
>> pretty good at trying to corner their customers and force them into staying 
>> Apple. You can only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  
>> and IBooks can only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can 
>> be read on both Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't 
>> drag and drop files from your computer to your phone like you can with most 
>> other phones. You can't get content out of your phone from other apps like 
>> you can with other phones. As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes only 
>> go as high as 256 kbps. If they cared about audio quality then surely this 
>> wouldn't be the case.  Spotify goes up to 320 kB per second, and services 
>> like tidal have los less audio quality.
>> 
>> Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
>> possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
>> this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people let 
>> Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something similar 
>> about their working conditions for their workers in China, but that's 
>> another issue. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
>>> obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's 
>>> this.  The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack 
>>> because you can get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than 
>>> you can out of the 3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, 
>>> you can take advantage of the high resolution audio format which Apple is 
>>> said to be roling out soon.  Also, there are other advantages besides.  
>>> Don't fall for this emotional knee-jerk nonsense.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> !
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Terje Strømberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Friends,
 
 If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, 
 proprietary headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles 
 more e-waste for the rest of us.
 
 Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on 
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Re: Sun rise and Sunset on apple watch.

Hi!
Seems i have turned off tracking location.
Guess i have to turn that on and then select what apps to use for that purpose.
/A
> On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:51, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I have also on occasion had to actually open the watch app on my phone while 
> the two are connected.  Not sure why doing that would matter, but it has 
> helped.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Hmm, this has been going on for a week now so i don’t know how long i should 
>> wait then?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
>>> On 17 Jan 2016, at 22:30, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Usually when a complication just says “Unknown” it means that the data 
>>> hasn’t reached the Watch yet.  Give it a bit while connected to your phone, 
>>> lock and unlock the screen a couple of times, and you should eventually 
>>> have the information.
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

Hi!
One thing i am concerned about is why there’s not any airplay headphones around 
yet?
/A
> On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently moved.  I don’t 
> like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards either, but I’m also in 
> the market for a new pair of travel headphones, and I actually would love a 
> digital path between my iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor 
> souls hurt by the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so 
> silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector.  And, yes, 
> electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt Apple will fail 
> to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm plug.  I know it’s painful, 
> but we do need to move forward.
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> JMO.
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Need a bit of USB sound education

2016-01-18 Thread Bill Holton

Hi.
I am currently running a USB sound adapter to a set of 5.1 speakers on my
Mac Mini, connected by three color-coded cables to the subwoofer, which in
turn connects to the five speakers.
The device is acting up, it keeps failing and restarting.  Tried different
cable, same issues.  I want to replace the device, but not sure what I am
looking for.  All the ones I see on Amazon show audio out.  What do I need
to look for in one that will connect via the three color coded cables?
Hoping to get off fairly inexpensively, so if anyone can recommend one.much
thanks.
Bill
 

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Re: disabling airplay in iTunes

Hello,

Thank you for your ideas. I was able to disable airplay via the utility 
settings for Airport.

Again, thank you!

Kindly,
Vaughn
> On Jan 17, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
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> Hi,
> have you tried going into the airplay table and selecting single, instead of 
> multiple?  then make sure your computer is the one that’s checked and not the 
> express?
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Good day everyone,
>> 
>> I’ve been having this problem in the last few weeks. My iTunes keeps telling 
>> me that it wants to connect to airplay via my airport express on the Mac. I 
>> am not at all interested in this as I already have speakers setup for 
>> playing music. The message does go away after I click OK and the music 
>> continues fine. But it is every single time that I have a song playing or 
>> even when a song is switching that the message keeps coming up. Under the 
>> display for airplay in iTunes it shows computer and airport express. But I 
>> cannot seem to disable airplay at all.
>> 
>> Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Vaughn
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question about blind square

I finally purchased the blind square app this weekend since I got an iTunes 
gift card as a gift.  :)  I don’t understand what the four square is. I know I 
don’t have to sign up to use blind square. Do any of you find it helpful to 
sign up for four square? Are the locations in four square user submitted or 
something? I noticed quite a few places do not have addresses and there are 
lots of odd named places that sound fake. One example was sitting here at the 
red light at such and such cross street. Also, a hotel called bump and grind, 
and a school called Dork High. Those are just a few, there were a lot of things 
like that in my area.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Brent Harding

The lightning to 3.5 mm adapter would also have to have a digital to analog 
converter inside it for it to be able to make the digital signal from the 
lightning port into analog that normal earphones can use. I've heard that 
lightning port accessories are unable to draw power off that connection, so it 
probably means either a change to that or more headphones with batteries. It 
actually would make more sense for them to replace lightning with USB C, which 
can power these small devices. Either way, the old jack's days have a 
possibility of being numbered for Apple. I would've thought the new Mac Books 
would've went with lightning instead of USB C if they could have, but the new 
phones could go to C and leave lightning behind as well to match that. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:58 AM
  Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam


  Ray,

  You! are also failing to see something though.  You're point is valid and 
well taken, don't get me wrong here, but what about those who don't have 
headphones with a lightning connecter.  Or what about those like myself who use 
both Apple, and! Android products?  Are we gonna be left in the cold having to 
buy two different pares of headphones, and lug both them around with us?  
Surely that seems absurd.

  Before you say, there are adapters probably being made, take it from a guy 
who's a certified engineer.  If you take an 8th inch plug, and pop a lightning 
adapter on it, the bottom line is the signal is traveling down the line from 
the lightning, to the 3.5M plug, down the headphone cord, and to your 
earpieces.  The point being, that signal might have started as digital, giving 
you the new to come high resolution, but ultimately by the time it hits your 
ears, it will have been carried down the line to your stereo 3.5M jack in the 
adapter, and at that point, your headphones won't know what to do with that 
signal.  It would most likely be converted to an annalog signal.  Therefore, 
the only way you'd truly get that benefit is no adapter.  Plug directly in, 
which means new headphones for us, which means more marketting by Apple, and 
more money for Apple.

  I'm just sayin'.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Ray Foret Jr 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam


I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's this.  
The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack because you can 
get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than you can out of the 
3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, you can take advantage of 
the high resolution audio format which Apple is said to be roling out soon.  
Also, there are other advantages besides.  Don't fall for this emotional 
knee-jerk nonsense. 




!


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in


Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


  On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Terje Strømberg  
wrote:


  Friends,

  If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, 
proprietary headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more 
e-waste for the rest of us.

  Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack 
on the iPhone: http://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/?sub=mtl

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importing audiobooks into iTunes

Hello,

I have a lot of audio books on CD that I would love to import into my iTunes 
library in order to put onto my iPhone. In the past my audiobooks has gone into 
the music library. However I’ve noticed that there is an audiobook setting on 
iTunes. Is it possible to direct my CD audiobooks into this library instead of 
the music library?

Thank you for your insight.
Vaughn

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-18 Thread Brent Harding

They would have to replace nothing to do it, at least not visibly. They 
could have one of those 3.5mm sockets that can do both. The optical cable 
somehow activates the digital, while normal analog cables get analog.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam

I think the issue with Apple “Moving on” is that the consumer is never ready 
for it.  In a sense, that’s a testament to Apple’s forward-thinking 
approach, but it also means that they are the first to draw the fire for 
having the audacity to bring something to market without standardising it by 
committee first, which I legitimately believe has its drawbacks.  I do 
sometimes wish standards were more often on the table, for sure.  And it’s 
not as if Apple doesn’t enjoy the closed, vertical approach, because it 
helps their bottom line (remember FireWire?).  And sometimes Apple makes 
false moves: dropping optical has thus far been a boon for laptops but has 
not seen quite as much love on the desktop and AIO side (iMac, now the 
thinnest desktop you’ll ever use, if you don’t mind that you can’t play your 
DVDs in it or remote-control it any more).

So, I understand the anger and criticism.  I also confidently predict that 
history will repeat itself, and in a decade or so we’ll all be fondly 
remembering the 3.5 mm plug and the good old days. :)

As for my hopes, I hope that Apple will not fragment the market and that an 
open standard will emerge.  It is either that, or the standard in question 
becomes Lightning.  Otherwise, in a decade we’ll all be remembering with 
fondness the days when one could plug ones audio equipment into any 
available headphone or mini-SPDIF socket.

I wonder why Apple did not replace the headphone socket with a mini-SPDIF 
socket?  Now *that* would have been a smart move …

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Re: question about blind square

Not using four square, but here is the help site for Blind Square. Some good 
tips and tricks here http://blindsquare.com/help/

Take care

18. jan. 2016 kl. 23:33 skrev Christina C. :

I finally purchased the blind square app this weekend since I got an iTunes 
gift card as a gift.  :)  I don’t understand what the four square is. I know I 
don’t have to sign up to use blind square. Do any of you find it helpful to 
sign up for four square? Are the locations in four square user submitted or 
something? I noticed quite a few places do not have addresses and there are 
lots of odd named places that sound fake. One example was sitting here at the 
red light at such and such cross street. Also, a hotel called bump and grind, 
and a school called Dork High. Those are just a few, there were a lot of things 
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Re: Is red laser still usable

2016-01-18 Thread Phil Halton

Well, after a successful barcode scan, there is no where on screen where the 
descriptive text for the barcode is displayed. At least I can't find it 
anywhere. And I'm not exactly new to this program. If you can tell us how to 
find the descriptive text for what the barcode scanner actually scans please 
let us know.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:57 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Red Laser still works but it has not been updated in well over a year.
> 
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>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 1/18/2016 12:45 PM, Cameron Strife wrote:
>> I'd love something to actually use the video camera to actively scan
>> for the bar code instead of tap tap see or camfind where you have to
>> take a picture and hope you're correct... It's time consuming...
>> 
>> > style="border-top: 1px solid #aaabb6; margin-top: 30px;">
>>
>>
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>> target="_blank">> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/logo-avast-v1.png"; style="width:
>> 90px; height:33px;"/>
>>
>>This email has been sent from a virus-free
>> computer protected by Avast. > href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail";
>> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com
>>
>>
>> > height="1">
>> 
>>> On 1/18/16, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>>> This is the first time I heard of Red Lazer. I am always looking for
>>> something better for reading cans and such.
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
 On 1/18/16, Phil Halton  wrote:
 I wonder if there is a decent replacement app? Got any ideas? It used to
 be
 great to be able to just read a barcode and hear what the product was.
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 
 
> On Jan 18, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr 
> wrote:
> 
> Not to me.  I get the same result.
> 
> 
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
> blind
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
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> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I can get red laser to scan barcodes, but I can never find the
>> descriptive text that tells me what I just scanned. This never used to
>> be
>> the case, it always worked great and I could read cans of soup etc.
>> What
>> is happened to good old red laser? Is it still usable?
>> 
>> 
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

True, I forgot about the electical charger adapters.  I'm glad you mentioned 
that, E.T, as I probably should find a way to get one, seeing I do plan in 
the future, maybe in the next year or two to visit Scotland eventually.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "E.T." 

To: 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam


   But if you go to Europe with AC powered devices in tow, you do need
adapters. And that concept is exactly what will make this change by
Apple quite edible if in fact it is true.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/18/2016 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Wait,

I may a misunderstood, but are you saying that if I went to Europe, I'd
have to get a lightning to micro USB adapter to charge my phone?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam


Standards are good.  I love standards.

Europe standardised on Micro USB so iPhone users could charge from many
points.  Apple’s response was to make us an adaptor, at cost, which is
not available outside the EEA.  This rather negated its purpose, of
course; now you had to remember to bring the adaptor with your phone.

The Lightning connector itself uses an authentication process, now
broken, so that the manufacturers might bend over.  The consumer gets
part of that cost, of course, and Apple now has control over the supply
chain.

However, I’m reluctant to ascribe motives without hard evidence (except
when I’m ranting, natch).  The fact is that Lightning is superior to
Micro USB.  On the other feeler, it’s less clear what the reasons are
for requiring authentication of the Lightning adaptors themselves, but
sadly, the closest logical reason is money.  When Apple delivers a
consumer benefit, we eventually forgive.  It’s not often they come close
like this. As with Apple’s recent deliberate sabotaging of the Apple
Watch Qi charger, this does feel very much like another back massage for
shareholders.

Is it OK to accept the bad when there is also good?  That’s something we
can only really decide with our wallets when choice exists.  I think we
all agree that we don’t have choice.  In that respect, at least, this is
a fairly pointless discussion. :(



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Re: Apple's headphone scam

I'm wonderring if that may be because there are so many bluetooth model 
devices out there, that maybe Apple just didn't see the point.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Anders Holmberg" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam

Hi!
One thing i am concerned about is why there’s not any airplay headphones 
around yet?

/A

On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently moved.  I 
don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards either, but I’m 
also in the market for a new pair of travel headphones, and I actually 
would love a digital path between my iPhone and my headset.  I was not 
among those poor souls hurt by the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because 
I was not quite so silly as to buy expensive equipment with that 
connector.  And, yes, electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but 
I doubt Apple will fail to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm 
plug.  I know it’s painful, but we do need to move forward.

JMO.

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Re: Need a bit of USB sound education

OK, do you know what color those cables are?  That would tell me a fair amount. 
 Are they blue green and black?  If so, I might have a possible solution.  If 
two of them are red and white, then I'll have to think about it, as that 
wouldn't exactly tell me much.

red and white is generally your standard RCA, then of course yellow would be 
for video, so I highly doubt that is what you're working with.

The green, blue, and black would be digital and probably would be like a 
composit cable.

That's why I'm kind a wonderring.  We need just a slight bit more info.

Chris.

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  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:15 PM
  Subject: Need a bit of USB sound education


  Hi.

  I am currently running a USB sound adapter to a set of 5.1 speakers on my Mac 
Mini, connected by three color-coded cables to the subwoofer, which in turn 
connects to the five speakers.

  The device is acting up, it keeps failing and restarting.  Tried different 
cable, same issues.  I want to replace the device, but not sure what I am 
looking for.  All the ones I see on Amazon show audio out.  What do I need to 
look for in one that will connect via the three color coded cables?  Hoping to 
get off fairly inexpensively, so if anyone can recommend one…much thanks.

  Bill

   


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Re: Is red laser still usable