Re: download osx 10.10 help

[David Griffith]

I found it under Applications. You have to command tab to the application 
whilst the continue button is in focus. It was not visible until then. The 
actual installer is called Install OS X Yosemite. . 
> On 22 Oct 2014, at 07:22, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello when downloading osx 10.10
> where is it putting the downloaded file to?
> I checked under aplications folder and am not seeing it.
> am I missing something?
> Hank
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Re: Braille screen input

[BobH.]

I find grade2 working pretty good, too good when I didn't realise it was on 
and it kept expanding initials I was typing at the time.
Had to fiddle trying to find how to turn it off; but we all sorted that out 
in the end.

RH, aka:  RatherHave.
- Original Message - 
From: "Eugenia Firth" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:39 AM
Subject: Braille screen input


i just updated my iPhone this evening, and I can finally get it to work. So 
far, I am not as fast as I was with mBraille, but I am getting better. I am 
brailling this email, and I must say I am as quick as using the on-screen 
keyboard. I did try grade 2 and it sort of worked. H any of you gotten grade 
2 to work? Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Conversation Participants being Spoken in Yosemite mail

[BobH.]

Deleting the uninteresting threads of grouped messages, cleans up quite 
efficiently.  Pity we couldn't change this mode on the fly like Outlook, so 
we can then read the better bits remaining, more efficiently.

- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Watson" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Conversation Participants being Spoken in Yosemite mail


Hi,

The issue with that is that in order to find the answer to a question posed 
is that you then have to wade through god knows how many emails to find any 
replies. Again, not very efficient. By grouping a conversation you can 
quickly get to any responses that may or may not be relevant. I would not 
even consider trying to parse messages on a list as busy as this without 
grouping.

Keith



> On Oct 21, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> as I think somebody suggested turn off group messages by conversation.
>> I have done this now. At least I can read the messages.
> Max
>
>> On 22 Oct 2014, at 9:21 am, Keith Watson > > wrote:
>>
>> Johnathan,
>>
>> So after reading this thread I see that nobody has an answer for you. I 
>> am sorry to say that neither do I I would be very interested in finding a 
>> solution to this issue as well. Its so damned time consuming that I find 
>> myself blowing away all the messages in the mailbox after the first 3 or 
>> 4 threads that piss me off. When and if you do find a solution please let 
>> me know so that I can enjoy lists once again
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone, I'm really enjoying all the new goodness in Yosemite, and 
>>> at least on my system, it's magnitudes better than the first release of 
>>> mavericks was. Plenty to enjoy.
>>> There's one efficiency hit I've taken that I've not seen commented on 
>>> here, although with so many messages of late, it's possible I've 
>>> accidentally skipped references to it.
>>> I use Standard View in Mail, and Yosemite has adopted the iOS approach 
>>> of speaking the names of all participants in a mail thread before the 
>>> subject. Does anyone know if there is a way to move this around? For 
>>> example, I've been away from the list for a couple of days and came back 
>>> to a 90 message conversation. I had to sit through a very very long list 
>>> of participants before I could even hear the subject of the thread to 
>>> determine whether it was of interest to me or not. That's not 
>>> particularly efficient. What I'd prefer to do is hear the conversation's 
>>> subject first, then if I have to hear the participants, they could be 
>>> spoken second.
>>> When reading an email list where threads can get quite long, this 
>>> current behaviour can add a long time to the experience.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
>>>
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Re: ibooks

[David Griffith]

The normal VO A command appears to be working fine for me on an unprotected 
ePub document.
 I am still experimenting. I had changed to single page view to see if that 
could reduce busy messages when navigating by page but I am not sure if that 
makes difference
David Griffith

> On 22 Oct 2014, at 03:33, Wayne Coles  wrote:
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>   hello is it possible to have continuous read and if so please 
> let me know thanks in advance
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Re: How to perform secure empty trash on my Mac?, and how to change voice on my iPad/iPhone?

[BobH.]

iOs voices:  settings/general/accessibility/voiceover, Speech.

That is the list of voices with option to try, and get the enhanced versions 
downloaded.

- Original Message - 
From: "Eleanor Roberts" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:12 PM
Subject: How to perform secure empty trash on my Mac?, and how to change 
voice on my iPad/iPhone?


Hi all

Wondered if anyone could help me with these 2 quick questions.

Firstly, could anyone remind me how to perform a secure empty trash on my 
MacBook please? I've done it once before but have forgotten.

Secondly, I've just upgraded to IOS8.1, and wanted to look at the different 
voices I could use on my iPad/iPhone. However, when I looked through the 
settings, including under accessibility, I couldn't find anywhere which 
allowed me to explore different voices etc. Does anyone have any idea where 
abouts I should be looking for this??

Many thanks for any help.

Eleanor

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RE: Jumping to the top of the message list in Mail/Yosemite

[M. Taylor]

Hello Edward,

After countless hours of using Yosemite Mail, on two Macs, one being a ventage 
2009 model and the other recently purchased,  I can tell you that I have never 
lost Message Column item focus in Mail when in Standard View.  

Rarely do I use Classic view, anymore, so cannot comment on that portion of the 
application.  

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Jumping to the top of the message list in Mail/Yosemite

Hi,

Under Mavericks, Mail retained my place in the message list more often than not 
when new messages arrived.

However, under Yosemite, I am jumped to the top of the message list when I 
receive new mail.  I can obviously use the command to jump to the bottom of the 
list, but this still means I have to arrow back up.

I rarely have an empty inbox so I’d be grateful for any suggestions on how I 
can stop this happening.

Cheers,

Ed

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unlabelled buttons in yosemti mail

[Dean Adams]

Hi All,
Here is what the buttons are that are unlabelled in yosemti mail you 
can lable them with V O Slash .
Unlabelled Buttons in Yosemeti  mail 
There are four unlabled buttons in yoesemit mail once you open an email and 
here is what they are from left to right 
Button 1 : Trash 
Button 2 Reply 
Button 3 : Reply All
Button 4: Forward 
 
Regards Dean
Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
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Re: unlabelled buttons in yosemti mail

[Ray Foret Jr]

Ah, many thanks.  Now, I found a fifth one.  IF an incoming e-mail has one or 
more attachments, it would seem that this fifth button pops open a window 
allowing you to save them.


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!

> On Oct 22, 2014, at 4:10 AM, Dean Adams  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>   Here is what the buttons are that are unlabelled in yosemti mail you 
> can lable them with V O Slash .
> Unlabelled Buttons in Yosemeti  mail 
> There are four unlabled buttons in yoesemit mail once you open an email and 
> here is what they are from left to right 
> Button 1 : Trash 
> Button 2 Reply 
> Button 3 : Reply All
> Button 4: Forward 
>  
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> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
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Re: unlabelled buttons in yosemti mail

[Ray Foret Jr]

In reply to my earlier message, yefs, indeed, that fifth button is indeed an 
attachments menu button.  It will only show up if a message has more than one 
attachment.


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!

> On Oct 22, 2014, at 6:16 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Ah, many thanks.  Now, I found a fifth one.  IF an incoming e-mail has one or 
> more attachments, it would seem that this fifth button pops open a window 
> allowing you to save them.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2014, at 4:10 AM, Dean Adams > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>>  Here is what the buttons are that are unlabelled in yosemti mail you 
>> can lable them with V O Slash .
>> Unlabelled Buttons in Yosemeti  mail 
>> There are four unlabled buttons in yoesemit mail once you open an email and 
>> here is what they are from left to right 
>> Button 1 : Trash 
>> Button 2 Reply 
>> Button 3 : Reply All
>> Button 4: Forward 
>>  
>> Regards Dean
>> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
>> breezepa...@gmail.com 
>> Voip phone: +6124307 9248
>> landline Phone: +61243892195
>> Mobile: +61428133758
>> Skype and Twitter : deanadams9
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Re: question re iTunes downloads

[Donna Goodin]

Tim,

Wondering if this has changed in the new iTunes?  I find the table to the right 
of the sort by menu, but don't know what you mean by the File submenu, there is 
no file submenu there
thanks,
Donna
> On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:38 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When viewing the Table of music, you can tell iTunes what columns you want 
> visible in the Table.  Press cmd-j to bring up the View Options pop-over then 
> VO-right to the pop-up menu just after the Sort by pop-up menu.  In this menu 
> you'll be able to check or uncheck the columns you wish visible.  Under the 
> File sub-menu within this pop-up menu, you'll see an item named "Kind".  
> Check this item so that its column appears in the Table.  Now, when you 
> Interact with the Table and scan through the columns, one will tell you what 
> kind of file the media is.  For example, it may say Purchased AAC, Matched 
> AAC, mp3 or just AAC.  The files of "Kind" mp3 or AAC either were unmatchable 
> or you did not match them yet.  You can even sort by this column which will 
> put each of the various kinds together for easy scanning.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have iTunes Match, and have downloaded some, but not all Match copies of 
>> songs to my library.  Does anyone know if there's a way to tell whether the 
>> copy on my Mac is my imported CD copy or the Match copy?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: question re iTunes downloads

[Colin Matthews]

Hi!
Ok open Command+j and you'll be on a table where you can choose if you want 
Albums or Artist or Songs!
Choosing songs you arrow right and you should have 2 further popup options to 
sort by!
The 2nd popup option should have about 18 options including those sub menus 
that you're looking for!
HTH Colin
On 22 Oct 2014, at 12:44, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Tim,
> 
> Wondering if this has changed in the new iTunes?  I find the table to the 
> right of the sort by menu, but don't know what you mean by the File submenu, 
> there is no file submenu there
> thanks,
> Donna
>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:38 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When viewing the Table of music, you can tell iTunes what columns you want 
>> visible in the Table.  Press cmd-j to bring up the View Options pop-over 
>> then VO-right to the pop-up menu just after the Sort by pop-up menu.  In 
>> this menu you'll be able to check or uncheck the columns you wish visible.  
>> Under the File sub-menu within this pop-up menu, you'll see an item named 
>> "Kind".  Check this item so that its column appears in the Table.  Now, when 
>> you Interact with the Table and scan through the columns, one will tell you 
>> what kind of file the media is.  For example, it may say Purchased AAC, 
>> Matched AAC, mp3 or just AAC.  The files of "Kind" mp3 or AAC either were 
>> unmatchable or you did not match them yet.  You can even sort by this column 
>> which will put each of the various kinds together for easy scanning.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have iTunes Match, and have downloaded some, but not all Match copies of 
>>> songs to my library.  Does anyone know if there's a way to tell whether the 
>>> copy on my Mac is my imported CD copy or the Match copy?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: question re iTunes downloads

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, Colin,

Wow, do they bury that!  thanks, I was one column too far to the left.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 22, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Colin Matthews  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Ok open Command+j and you'll be on a table where you can choose if you want 
> Albums or Artist or Songs!
> Choosing songs you arrow right and you should have 2 further popup options to 
> sort by!
> The 2nd popup option should have about 18 options including those sub menus 
> that you're looking for!
> HTH Colin
> On 22 Oct 2014, at 12:44, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Tim,
>> 
>> Wondering if this has changed in the new iTunes?  I find the table to the 
>> right of the sort by menu, but don't know what you mean by the File submenu, 
>> there is no file submenu there
>> thanks,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:38 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When viewing the Table of music, you can tell iTunes what columns you want 
>>> visible in the Table.  Press cmd-j to bring up the View Options pop-over 
>>> then VO-right to the pop-up menu just after the Sort by pop-up menu.  In 
>>> this menu you'll be able to check or uncheck the columns you wish visible.  
>>> Under the File sub-menu within this pop-up menu, you'll see an item named 
>>> "Kind".  Check this item so that its column appears in the Table.  Now, 
>>> when you Interact with the Table and scan through the columns, one will 
>>> tell you what kind of file the media is.  For example, it may say Purchased 
>>> AAC, Matched AAC, mp3 or just AAC.  The files of "Kind" mp3 or AAC either 
>>> were unmatchable or you did not match them yet.  You can even sort by this 
>>> column which will put each of the various kinds together for easy scanning.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have iTunes Match, and have downloaded some, but not all Match copies of 
 songs to my library.  Does anyone know if there's a way to tell whether 
 the copy on my Mac is my imported CD copy or the Match copy?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Braille screen input

[Eugenia Firth]

Ok, good. Just a suggestion, though. If you ever have initials doing that 
again, if you use the letter sign, never mind that it's incorrect to do it, 
that should let you type them in right. On computers, I use the letter sign all 
the time when I'm doing initials where they could be misinterpreted by a 
computer. That way, I don't have to reset the braille device. Just a little 
work around I use all the time. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

> On Oct 22, 2014, at 3:01 AM, BobH.  wrote:
> 
> I find grade2 working pretty good, too good when I didn't realise it was on 
> and it kept expanding initials I was typing at the time.
> Had to fiddle trying to find how to turn it off; but we all sorted that out 
> in the end.
> 
> RH, aka:  RatherHave.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Eugenia Firth" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:39 AM
> Subject: Braille screen input
> 
> 
> i just updated my iPhone this evening, and I can finally get it to work. So 
> far, I am not as fast as I was with mBraille, but I am getting better. I am 
> brailling this email, and I must say I am as quick as using the on-screen 
> keyboard. I did try grade 2 and it sort of worked. H any of you gotten grade 
> 2 to work? Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Jumping to the top of the message list in Mail/Yosemite

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there 
I have found that if you ever lose your place in Mail when not in classic view, 
if you press command 1 it will take you to your inbox. I have found this gets 
you back, even if you want to go to another mailbox. If you are back to the 
inbox and you want to go to another box, you can press shift tab from the inbox 
to get to your mailbox list and start going down arrow. As for going to the top 
of messages, on my MacBook Pro I can press vo function key, shift left arrow. 
That sounds like a lot of keys, but except for the left arrow, they are 
together. I have my function keys changed from the default so they work as 
standard function keys. I hope all this helps. 

Gigi 

> On Oct 22, 2014, at 3:22 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Edward,
> 
> After countless hours of using Yosemite Mail, on two Macs, one being a 
> ventage 2009 model and the other recently purchased,  I can tell you that I 
> have never lost Message Column item focus in Mail when in Standard View.  
> 
> Rarely do I use Classic view, anymore, so cannot comment on that portion of 
> the application.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edward Green
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:29 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Jumping to the top of the message list in Mail/Yosemite
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Under Mavericks, Mail retained my place in the message list more often than 
> not when new messages arrived.
> 
> However, under Yosemite, I am jumped to the top of the message list when I 
> receive new mail.  I can obviously use the command to jump to the bottom of 
> the list, but this still means I have to arrow back up.
> 
> I rarely have an empty inbox so I’d be grateful for any suggestions on how I 
> can stop this happening.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ed
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Re: my own feedback about Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Juan 
I wasn't going to write about this because I couldn't find an easy answer to 
this, and I think there is one. I have a blind friend who just bought a MacBook 
Pro under Mavericks, gotten about three weeks ago. We had the same thing happen 
with hers that you are describing when we restarted the computer. I was helping 
her learn a little VoiceOver before she went back home and started her 
one-to-one training. I couldn't figure it out, but when she did go for her 
training, Apple fixed hers right away so that the computer defaulted to her as 
the user, which resulted in the VoiceOver coming up with her desktop and 
everything. 

I found an article after I read your post that describes how to set a default 
user. I did it by typing in "default user in Macintosh". This step by step 
process, but it sounds like yours truly wouldn't want to do it. I never did all 
they described in the article because Apple fixed mine so I never did have to 
go through the choices you are describing and those my friend had on her brand 
new computer. 

I guess for sighted people it's easy because you can just click on the user. I 
researched this, as I said, and I am sorry I didn't find an easier answer. If 
you are a new Mac user you definitely don't want to do what was described on 
the Internet. If you are in the States, you might want to call Apple 
accessibility at 877-204-3930. Otherwise, I hope someone else can come up with 
a better answer than I found on the Internet. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

> On Oct 21, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
> 
> how does one get VO tok begin talking at the login screen? I have to keep 
> turning it on at the screen.  If Iknow how to make it startup, I can 
> confirm/deny what you are reporting.
>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:16 PM, matthew Dyer > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have been using the new os for several days and have no problems here.  I 
>> have one question though and it has been on my mind for a while.  When I 
>> boot up and come to the login screen and vo comes up it fades in and so it 
>> sounds kind of strange as if core audio has not fully loaded and so it kind 
>> of fades in as audio drivers are loaded.  Anyone noticing this?  I am on a 
>> 27 inch IMac.  
>> 
>> Matthew
>> matthew dyer 
>> sent from my 27 inch iMac.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> facebook, facetime and iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> Skype: graduater2004
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Cheryl Homiak >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> For one thing, not all keyboards appear to be supported by file vault. If 
>>> you get stuck, that'seven a choice you will be given. I know hindsight is 
>>> always 20/20 but if you had rebooted your computer when the password 
>>> wasn'taccepted, if that is what happened, one of the choices would have 
>>> been to entr your password and unencrypt. Then it just lets you reboot and 
>>> sign in right away. As for the battery running down, I suppose you would 
>>> have to set it to go to sleep before that happens. Right now I have decided 
>>> not to use file vault especially because of the keyboard support issues.
>>>   
>>> -- 
>>> Cheryl
>>> 
>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>>> thrown in the trash!
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind,
>>> and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>>> never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Eugenia Firth >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi guys
 I like Yosemite so far. My Finder is behaving better, etc. However, I had 
 to call that 877 number again, no choice. It seems that FileVault got me 
 in trouble when my battery went dead because yours truly let it go down 
 too far. Then I had trouble, can't remember all the steps, getting 
 VoiceOver to come on. When it did, I did something stupid that made me get 
 into changing the password. Now I have ended up with a slightly changed 
 Apple ID. My sighted husband had to move the mouse at one point because 
 VoiceOver wouldn't let me get into the place to type in the new Apple ID. 
 
 Now I have to let my computer encrypt my files, and then unencrypt them so 
 that I can disable FileVault. I can definitely see a case for having it on 
 here, but I am worried about going through the same difficulties I had 
 this morning should my battery run down again. I'm really more concerned 
 witht eh accessibility difficulties of leaving FileVault active should 
 this happen like this again. 
 
 Gigi 
 
> On Oct 21, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Ray Foret Jr  

Re: How to play chess on mac?

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

yes it will tell the move of the computer by alex then it will again speak by 
alex by my deafult rate of speech.
Il giorno 21/ott/2014, alle ore 11:12 PM, Alex Hall  ha 
scritto:

> I'm confused now. Alex will say the move the computer makes, unless you 
> selected a game type of computer versus computer. There is a checkbox that 
> controls whether the Mac says the move you make, but even then, it will only 
> say the move after you make it, not move for you. Again, this assumes you 
> have selected the right game type (human versus computer).
>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> nope, i don't know why i can't do a lot moves on chess. and by the way alex 
>> is mixing when the computer moves. how can i fix this? i don't want to just 
>> press what was the last move of the computer. thanks
>> Il giorno 21/ott/2014, alle ore 09:41 PM, Alex Hall  ha 
>> scritto:
>> 
>>> Did you ever get your chess question solved? Perhaps try a fresh game?
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
  wrote:
 
 alex, can you message me on my skype so that i can show you the problem, 
 my skype is dionipher, thanks. i don't change the setting of my chess
 On 19 Oct 2014, at 04:22 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> I just tried it, and got several moves in without any problems. Do you 
> have a different game mode selected than you think? That might be why 
> moves are different.
>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> i just tried it again now, but whenever i pause to think what move 
>> should i do that's when then moves does do anything
>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 02:48 pm, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> i tried it but on the course it doesn't move, try to move all the eight 
>>> pawns, and the computer moves i
>>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:08 am, Brandon A. Olivares 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 I just tried making several moves, and it worked just fine. I made 
 four moves without issue.
 
> On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Dionipher Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> just only by trying moving pawns one step ahead, the third pawn will 
> not move. try it.
>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 03:39, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, the Mac knows the rules of the game, so perhaps there's some 
>> obscure block you didn't notice? If not, can you give an example of 
>> a move that should be valid, but isn't?
>>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> i already did it but the thing is some moves dont work even if its 
>>> valid. i know how to play chess so i know what was the valid moves. 
>>> i dont know why cant i move on the third and so so on.
>>> On 18 Oct 2014, at 03:05 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Here's the written guide:
 http://www.applevis.com/guides/gaming-mac-apps/playing-chess-mac
 
 and here's the podcast:
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-chess-application-which-comes-preloaded-all-mac-computers
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:08 AM, David Griffith 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you search on apple vis Podcasts you will find a good detailed 
> guide to accessibly setting up and playing the chess app on the 
> Mac.
> I listened to it over the summer but it should still be available.
> 
> I suggest you just go to the site and search under chess.
> 
> David Griffith   
> On 18 Oct 2014, at 06:24, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Can somebody tell me how to play chess on mac, because it seems 
>> i can move once or twice then i can't move my again, how do i do 
>> this one, and can you give me some advice to the voice because 
>> its interrupting to move, thanks
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Re: How to play chess on mac?

[Alex Hall]

The second time it speaks, what does it say? Your move again? If so, I'm not 
seeing that, but it also doesn't sound like a problem that would stop the game 
from working.
> On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> yes it will tell the move of the computer by alex then it will again speak by 
> alex by my deafult rate of speech.
> Il giorno 21/ott/2014, alle ore 11:12 PM, Alex Hall  > ha scritto:
> 
>> I'm confused now. Alex will say the move the computer makes, unless you 
>> selected a game type of computer versus computer. There is a checkbox that 
>> controls whether the Mac says the move you make, but even then, it will only 
>> say the move after you make it, not move for you. Again, this assumes you 
>> have selected the right game type (human versus computer).
>>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> nope, i don't know why i can't do a lot moves on chess. and by the way alex 
>>> is mixing when the computer moves. how can i fix this? i don't want to just 
>>> press what was the last move of the computer. thanks
>>> Il giorno 21/ott/2014, alle ore 09:41 PM, Alex Hall >> > ha scritto:
>>> 
 Did you ever get your chess question solved? Perhaps try a fresh game?
> On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> alex, can you message me on my skype so that i can show you the problem, 
> my skype is dionipher, thanks. i don't change the setting of my chess
> On 19 Oct 2014, at 04:22 pm, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
>> I just tried it, and got several moves in without any problems. Do you 
>> have a different game mode selected than you think? That might be why 
>> moves are different.
>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> i just tried it again now, but whenever i pause to think what move 
>>> should i do that's when then moves does do anything
>>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 02:48 pm, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
 i tried it but on the course it doesn't move, try to move all the 
 eight pawns, and the computer moves i
 On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:08 am, Brandon A. Olivares 
 mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
> I just tried making several moves, and it worked just fine. I made 
> four moves without issue.
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Dionipher Herrera > > wrote:
>> 
>> just only by trying moving pawns one step ahead, the third pawn will 
>> not move. try it.
>>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 03:39, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, the Mac knows the rules of the game, so perhaps there's some 
>>> obscure block you didn't notice? If not, can you give an example of 
>>> a move that should be valid, but isn't?
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
 i already did it but the thing is some moves dont work even if its 
 valid. i know how to play chess so i know what was the valid 
 moves. i dont know why cant i move on the third and so so on.
 On 18 Oct 2014, at 03:05 pm, Alex Hall >>> > wrote:
 
> Here's the written guide:
> http://www.applevis.com/guides/gaming-mac-apps/playing-chess-mac 
> 
> 
> and here's the podcast:
> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-chess-application-which-comes-preloaded-all-mac-computers
>  
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:08 AM, David Griffith 
>> mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you search on apple vis Podcasts you will find a good 
>> detailed guide to accessibly setting up and playing the chess 
>> app on the Mac.
>> I listened to it over the summer but it should still be 
>> available.
>> 
>> I suggest you just go to the site and search under chess.
>> 
>> David Griffith   
>> On 18 Oct 2014, at 06:24, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Can somebody tell me how to play chess on mac, because it seems 
>>> i can move once or twice then i can't move my agai

Re: How to perform secure empty trash on my Mac?, and how to change voice on my iPad/iPhone?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Regarding securely emptying the trash, when in the Finder, press VO-m to go up 
to the menubar, right to the Finder menu then down to "Secure Empty Trash".

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:12 AM, BobH.  wrote:
> 
> iOs voices:  settings/general/accessibility/voiceover, Speech.
> 
> That is the list of voices with option to try, and get the enhanced versions 
> downloaded.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Eleanor Roberts" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:12 PM
> Subject: How to perform secure empty trash on my Mac?, and how to change 
> voice on my iPad/iPhone?
> 
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Wondered if anyone could help me with these 2 quick questions.
> 
> Firstly, could anyone remind me how to perform a secure empty trash on my 
> MacBook please? I've done it once before but have forgotten.
> 
> Secondly, I've just upgraded to IOS8.1, and wanted to look at the different 
> voices I could use on my iPad/iPhone. However, when I looked through the 
> settings, including under accessibility, I couldn't find anywhere which 
> allowed me to explore different voices etc. Does anyone have any idea where 
> abouts I should be looking for this??
> 
> Many thanks for any help.
> 
> Eleanor
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Re: my own feedback about Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Two things here.  First, having the computer start up to a specific user is not 
particularly a safe or secure way to leave your computer, as anyone who sits at 
your computer has free and easy access to everything on your machine.  One may 
say that you are the only one who uses this computer, so, it's immaterial.  
But, what if your machine is lost or stolen, thus, giving someone easy access 
to all you r personal or private data including web passwords if you use that 
feature within Safari.  Now that I've stated the caveat, if you really want to 
do this, read on.

Secondly, to actually do either of these two things is relatively painless with 
VO.  Go to System Preferences, in the Users & Groups pane.  Click the lock at 
the bottom of this pane and enter your password, assuming that you're an Admin 
user.  Navigate back to the top of the pane and Interact with the Users, Groups 
& Login Options list.  Go down to the Login Options item then Stop Interacting 
with the list.  Vo-right once which should bring you to the pop-up menu for 
choosing automatic logins.  VO-space on that menu and choose the user.  
Usually, a password prompt will appear for the user's password, enter the 
password and you're done.  Also, within this Login Options area, you will find 
the checkbox for having VoiceOver on in the Login screen.  That's it, you're 
done.

Again, I don't recommend setting your computer to automatically log in, but 
having VO on at the Login screen is great.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 22, 2014, at 7:35 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi Juan 
> I wasn't going to write about this because I couldn't find an easy answer to 
> this, and I think there is one. I have a blind friend who just bought a 
> MacBook Pro under Mavericks, gotten about three weeks ago. We had the same 
> thing happen with hers that you are describing when we restarted the 
> computer. I was helping her learn a little VoiceOver before she went back 
> home and started her one-to-one training. I couldn't figure it out, but when 
> she did go for her training, Apple fixed hers right away so that the computer 
> defaulted to her as the user, which resulted in the VoiceOver coming up with 
> her desktop and everything. 
> 
> I found an article after I read your post that describes how to set a default 
> user. I did it by typing in "default user in Macintosh". This step by step 
> process, but it sounds like yours truly wouldn't want to do it. I never did 
> all they described in the article because Apple fixed mine so I never did 
> have to go through the choices you are describing and those my friend had on 
> her brand new computer. 
> 
> I guess for sighted people it's easy because you can just click on the user. 
> I researched this, as I said, and I am sorry I didn't find an easier answer. 
> If you are a new Mac user you definitely don't want to do what was described 
> on the Internet. If you are in the States, you might want to call Apple 
> accessibility at 877-204-3930. Otherwise, I hope someone else can come up 
> with a better answer than I found on the Internet. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Juan Hernandez > > wrote:
>> 
>> how does one get VO tok begin talking at the login screen? I have to keep 
>> turning it on at the screen.  If Iknow how to make it startup, I can 
>> confirm/deny what you are reporting.
>>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 3:16 PM, matthew Dyer >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have been using the new os for several days and have no problems here.  I 
>>> have one question though and it has been on my mind for a while.  When I 
>>> boot up and come to the login screen and vo comes up it fades in and so it 
>>> sounds kind of strange as if core audio has not fully loaded and so it kind 
>>> of fades in as audio drivers are loaded.  Anyone noticing this?  I am on a 
>>> 27 inch IMac.  
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> matthew dyer 
>>> sent from my 27 inch iMac.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> facebook, facetime and iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Skype: graduater2004
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Cheryl Homiak >>> > wrote:
 
 For one thing, not all keyboards appear to be supported by file vault. If 
 you get stuck, that'seven a choice you will be given. I know hindsight is 
 always 20/20 but if you had rebooted your computer when the password 
 wasn'taccepted, if that is what happened, one of the choices would have 
 been to entr your password and unencrypt. Then it just lets you reboot and 
 sign in right away. As for the battery running down, I suppose you would 
 have to set it to go to sleep before that happens. Right now I have 
 decided not to use file vault especially because of the keyboard support 
 issues.
   
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
>>>

Yosemite, Mail and VO

[Mark Baxter]

Okay, I finally un-paused the silly thing, and let it install.  Took about half 
an hour just for the installation, but after permissions repair, lag is 
negligible.  However, I wonder if there’s a way to get Mail to put an “add 
contact,” button after every message header field?  I have to tab about eight 
times to get to the Subject field; is there a way to collapse all these 
buttons?  Also, I seem to have a problem interacting with the Messages table, 
often needing to interact twice and then use the VO cursor until it seems to 
take.  It’s slippery…  Other than that, the upgrade seems pretty painless.  
What should I look for in the new OS, what’s fun to tweak, etc?
Thanks! :)  Be well.


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http://MarkBurningHawk.net/

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Re: Yosemite, Mail and VO

[Dillon Collier]

dillon collier


> On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Mark Baxter  wrote:
> 
> Okay, I finally un-paused the silly thing, and let it install.  Took about 
> half an hour just for the installation, but after permissions repair, lag is 
> negligible.  However, I wonder if there’s a way to get Mail to put an “add 
> contact,” button after every message header field?  I have to tab about eight 
> times to get to the Subject field; is there a way to collapse all these 
> buttons?  Also, I seem to have a problem interacting with the Messages table, 
> often needing to interact twice and then use the VO cursor until it seems to 
> take.  It’s slippery…  Other than that, the upgrade seems pretty painless.  
> What should I look for in the new OS, what’s fun to tweak, etc?
> Thanks! :)  Be well.
> 
> 
>  • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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ibooks

[wayne17a]

Hello I have asked before about this is there a way to do continuous read on
the mac thanks in adance

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Re: ibooks

[David Griffith]

I replied before as well but obviously you did not see it. VO A is working fine 
for me to produce continuous reading in iBooks.

David Griffith. 
> On 22 Oct 2014, at 16:48, wayne17a  wrote:
> 
> Hello I have asked before about this is there a way to do continuous read on 
> the mac thanks in adance
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app updates in latest iTunes

[Christina C.]

Hello all,

In the app grid for apps that have an update. I use to be able to VO spacebar 
on the app and then interact and go to the bottom to see what’s new in the 
update. Now, all it says is the size of the app. Does anyone know a quick way 
to access the what’s new information other than right clicking on the app and 
then choosing show in app store. This process is very time consuming.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: How to play chess on mac?

[Dionipher Herrera]

i already solve it, i just need to uncheck the users voice. can you tell me how 
to adjust the game so that i can think more because when i pause a minute the 
chess are getting back on there places.
> Il giorno 22/ott/2014, alle ore 16:20, Alex Hall  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> The second time it speaks, what does it say? Your move again? If so, I'm not 
> seeing that, but it also doesn't sound like a problem that would stop the 
> game from working.
>> On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera > > wrote:
>> 
>> yes it will tell the move of the computer by alex then it will again speak 
>> by alex by my deafult rate of speech.
>> Il giorno 21/ott/2014, alle ore 11:12 PM, Alex Hall > > ha scritto:
>> 
>>> I'm confused now. Alex will say the move the computer makes, unless you 
>>> selected a game type of computer versus computer. There is a checkbox that 
>>> controls whether the Mac says the move you make, but even then, it will 
>>> only say the move after you make it, not move for you. Again, this assumes 
>>> you have selected the right game type (human versus computer).
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera >>> > wrote:
 
 nope, i don't know why i can't do a lot moves on chess. and by the way 
 alex is mixing when the computer moves. how can i fix this? i don't want 
 to just press what was the last move of the computer. thanks
 Il giorno 21/ott/2014, alle ore 09:41 PM, Alex Hall >>> > ha scritto:
 
> Did you ever get your chess question solved? Perhaps try a fresh game?
>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> alex, can you message me on my skype so that i can show you the problem, 
>> my skype is dionipher, thanks. i don't change the setting of my chess
>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 04:22 pm, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I just tried it, and got several moves in without any problems. Do you 
>>> have a different game mode selected than you think? That might be why 
>>> moves are different.
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
 i just tried it again now, but whenever i pause to think what move 
 should i do that's when then moves does do anything
 On 19 Oct 2014, at 02:48 pm, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
> i tried it but on the course it doesn't move, try to move all the 
> eight pawns, and the computer moves i
> On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:08 am, Brandon A. Olivares 
> mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> I just tried making several moves, and it worked just fine. I made 
>> four moves without issue.
>> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Dionipher Herrera 
>>> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> just only by trying moving pawns one step ahead, the third pawn 
>>> will not move. try it.
 On 19 Oct 2014, at 03:39, Alex Hall >>> > wrote:
 
 Well, the Mac knows the rules of the game, so perhaps there's some 
 obscure block you didn't notice? If not, can you give an example 
 of a move that should be valid, but isn't?
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> i already did it but the thing is some moves dont work even if 
> its valid. i know how to play chess so i know what was the valid 
> moves. i dont know why cant i move on the third and so so on.
> On 18 Oct 2014, at 03:05 pm, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
>> Here's the written guide:
>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/gaming-mac-apps/playing-chess-mac 
>> 
>> 
>> and here's the podcast:
>> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-chess-application-which-comes-preloaded-all-mac-computers
>>  
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:08 AM, David Griffith 
>>> mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you search on apple vis Podcasts you will find a good 
>>> detailed guide to accessibly setting up and playing the chess 
>>> app on the Mac.
>>> I listened to it over the summer but it should still be 
>>> available.
>>> 

to those who upgraded Yosemite

[Dionipher Herrera]

To those who upgraded there Os to Yosemite who are not a beta tester do you 
have a feedback app on your dock? just asking. thanks

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Re: How to play chess on mac?

[Alex Hall]

The pieces can't move back unless you issue the command to take back your last 
move. You can tell the computer to wait longer, but that only makes it smarter. 
Of course, you can take all the time you want, and even close a game and come 
back to it later.
> On Oct 22, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Dionipher Herrera  wrote:
> 
> i already solve it, i just need to uncheck the users voice. can you tell me 
> how to adjust the game so that i can think more because when i pause a minute 
> the chess are getting back on there places.
>> Il giorno 22/ott/2014, alle ore 16:20, Alex Hall > > ha scritto:
>> 
>> The second time it speaks, what does it say? Your move again? If so, I'm not 
>> seeing that, but it also doesn't sound like a problem that would stop the 
>> game from working.
>>> On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes it will tell the move of the computer by alex then it will again speak 
>>> by alex by my deafult rate of speech.
>>> Il giorno 21/ott/2014, alle ore 11:12 PM, Alex Hall >> > ha scritto:
>>> 
 I'm confused now. Alex will say the move the computer makes, unless you 
 selected a game type of computer versus computer. There is a checkbox that 
 controls whether the Mac says the move you make, but even then, it will 
 only say the move after you make it, not move for you. Again, this assumes 
 you have selected the right game type (human versus computer).
> On Oct 21, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> nope, i don't know why i can't do a lot moves on chess. and by the way 
> alex is mixing when the computer moves. how can i fix this? i don't want 
> to just press what was the last move of the computer. thanks
> Il giorno 21/ott/2014, alle ore 09:41 PM, Alex Hall  > ha scritto:
> 
>> Did you ever get your chess question solved? Perhaps try a fresh game?
>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> alex, can you message me on my skype so that i can show you the 
>>> problem, my skype is dionipher, thanks. i don't change the setting of 
>>> my chess
>>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 04:22 pm, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I just tried it, and got several moves in without any problems. Do you 
 have a different game mode selected than you think? That might be why 
 moves are different.
> On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> i just tried it again now, but whenever i pause to think what move 
> should i do that's when then moves does do anything
> On 19 Oct 2014, at 02:48 pm, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> i tried it but on the course it doesn't move, try to move all the 
>> eight pawns, and the computer moves i
>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:08 am, Brandon A. Olivares 
>> mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I just tried making several moves, and it worked just fine. I made 
>>> four moves without issue.
>>> 
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Dionipher Herrera 
 mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
 just only by trying moving pawns one step ahead, the third pawn 
 will not move. try it.
> On 19 Oct 2014, at 03:39, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> Well, the Mac knows the rules of the game, so perhaps there's 
> some obscure block you didn't notice? If not, can you give an 
> example of a move that should be valid, but isn't?
>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>> mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> i already did it but the thing is some moves dont work even if 
>> its valid. i know how to play chess so i know what was the valid 
>> moves. i dont know why cant i move on the third and so so on.
>> On 18 Oct 2014, at 03:05 pm, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Here's the written guide:
>>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/gaming-mac-apps/playing-chess-mac
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> and here's the podcast:
>>> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-chess-application-which-comes-preloaded-all-mac-computers
>>>  
>>> 

RE: ibooks

[wayne17a]

Hello thanks I did not get your last message so thanks I will give that a go
again thanks

 

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ibooks

 

I replied before as well but obviously you did not see it. VO A is working
fine for me to produce continuous reading in iBooks.

 

David Griffith. 

On 22 Oct 2014, at 16:48, wayne17a  wrote:

 

Hello I have asked before about this is there a way to do continuous read on
the mac thanks in adance

 

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Re: color detector app?

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
I like TapTapSee for it.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
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> Hello I have a friend who is looking for a color detector
> app to help her know what color her close are  any one recommend anything 
> spasific for this task?
> I realize that there not perfict but am looking for a app that is fairly 
> relyable
> Hank
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Re: to those who upgraded Yosemite

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi 
Don't see one. I had a feedback option on Pages, but I don't see one on the 
dock. 

Gigi 

> On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Dionipher Herrera  wrote:
> 
> To those who upgraded there Os to Yosemite who are not a beta tester do you 
> have a feedback app on your dock? just asking. thanks
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Re: to those who upgraded Yosemite

[christopher hallsworth]

No I don't.
> On 22 Oct 2014, at 17:27, Dionipher Herrera  wrote:
> 
> To those who upgraded there Os to Yosemite who are not a beta tester do you 
> have a feedback app on your dock? just asking. thanks
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Newer Isn't Always Better: Multicore Mac Mini Performance

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi all,

You may recall that I pointed to the new Mac Mini as the only noteworthy 
announcement from Apple recently.  If you use Mac Minis as servers, I now 
withdraw that recommendation.  See this article:
http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2014/10/estimating-mac-mini-performance/

The fact is that Apple has chosen, at the cost of reducing the price, to also 
reduce multicore performance of the high-end Mac Mini as part of its design.  
For a server, the newest Mac Mini is slower than the older.  I am therefore 
keeping my older Mac Mini, and leaving behind Thunderbolt 2, 802.11AC and Intel 
Iris graphics, all of which are superior in the newer model, but none of which 
are important to serving, in favour of the processor performance, which is.

If you don't run servers, Mac Mini may yet prove attractive.  But I fear that 
this is yet another sign of Apple's trivialisation of the consumer market; 
after all, they have a Mac Pro to sell you.  It's also worth noting that the 
RAM in the newest Mac Mini is soldered in place, just like the MacBooks, so 
choose your upgrades wisely.  It saddens me to see this development; at least 
when it was just software, you could replace it.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: ibooks

[Michael Malver]

I would also like to say thank you. I often consult the list of  voice over 
commands available from the help menu, and I don't remember seeing this one.

> On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:37 AM, "wayne17a"  wrote:
> 
> Hello thanks I did not get your last message so thanks I will give that a go 
> again thanks
>  
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ibooks
>  
> I replied before as well but obviously you did not see it. VO A is working 
> fine for me to produce continuous reading in iBooks.
>  
> David Griffith. 
> On 22 Oct 2014, at 16:48, wayne17a  wrote:
>  
> Hello I have asked before about this is there a way to do continuous read on 
> the mac thanks in adance
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Re: Newer Isn't Always Better: Multicore Mac Mini Performance

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

That's rather disappointing. So the basic issue is that Apple no longer 
ships a mini with quad-core, only dual core. If you want quad for, say, 
running vmware you'll have to find something used. According to the 
article the new Intel Haswell processors require two sockets for a quad 
while the previous chipsets did not, which means Apple would have to 
have two slightly different motherboard designs to support a choice of 
dual or quad CPUs. Apple tends to keep their line simple with one 
montherboard across the line so it's lowest-common-denominator for 
everyone. Thanks Intel. I'm assuming Apple's not the only PC maker to 
notice Intel's design requirements change and opt to go low-end. Maybe 
this is a contributor to the recent stock slump Intel has been going 
through, despite hefty stock buybacks.


CB

On 10/22/14, 2:48 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi all,

You may recall that I pointed to the new Mac Mini as the only noteworthy 
announcement from Apple recently.  If you use Mac Minis as servers, I now 
withdraw that recommendation.  See this article:
http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2014/10/estimating-mac-mini-performance/

The fact is that Apple has chosen, at the cost of reducing the price, to also 
reduce multicore performance of the high-end Mac Mini as part of its design.  
For a server, the newest Mac Mini is slower than the older.  I am therefore 
keeping my older Mac Mini, and leaving behind Thunderbolt 2, 802.11AC and Intel 
Iris graphics, all of which are superior in the newer model, but none of which 
are important to serving, in favour of the processor performance, which is.

If you don't run servers, Mac Mini may yet prove attractive.  But I fear that 
this is yet another sign of Apple's trivialisation of the consumer market; 
after all, they have a Mac Pro to sell you.  It's also worth noting that the 
RAM in the newest Mac Mini is soldered in place, just like the MacBooks, so 
choose your upgrades wisely.  It saddens me to see this development; at least 
when it was just software, you could replace it.

Cheers,
Sabahattin



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iOS 8.1 VO bug fixes

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

There's been a lot of traffic so maybe I missed this but when I upgraded 
there were a number of bug fixes listed including the following:


Fixes an issue that prevented Guided Access from working properly
Fixes a bug where VoiceOver would not work with 3rd party keyboards
Improves stability and audio quality when using MFi Hearing Aids with 
iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus
Fixes an issue with VoiceOver where tone dialing would get stuck on a 
tone until dialing another number
Improves reliability when using handwriting, Bluetooth keyboards and 
Braille displays with VoiceOver


I know there were some threads on this list about the stuck button and 
others.


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Re: iOS 8.1 VO bug fixes

[Eugenia Firth]

There is another one which I just wrote Accessibility about. If ou go into 
Safari, you may find some of the links or buttons absolutely will not work with 
VoiceOver. I have this to be true on my 5S for links or buttons that want to 
input something. I can’t figure out the pattern because some work and some 
don’t. I just did a survey for Apple Care support, and I had trouble getting 
the first button to select although I finally beat it into submission. However, 
the Next button for going to the following page absolutely refused to work, and 
I finally had to switch to my Mac to get it done. I tried the three finger 
flick, both down and up, and forget it. I have been able to get one of them to 
work by turning VoiceOver off, but that was only once. computers are 
interesting, right? 

Gigi 

> On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:53 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> There's been a lot of traffic so maybe I missed this but when I upgraded 
> there were a number of bug fixes listed including the following:
> 
> Fixes an issue that prevented Guided Access from working properly
> Fixes a bug where VoiceOver would not work with 3rd party keyboards
> Improves stability and audio quality when using MFi Hearing Aids with iPhone 
> 6 and iPhone 6 Plus
> Fixes an issue with VoiceOver where tone dialing would get stuck on a tone 
> until dialing another number
> Improves reliability when using handwriting, Bluetooth keyboards and Braille 
> displays with VoiceOver
> 
> I know there were some threads on this list about the stuck button and others.
> 
> CB
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Re: Jumping to the top of the message list in Mail/Yosemite

[Edward Green]

Hi Mark, Alex and Gigi,

Thanks for your experiences/suggestions.

Interestingly the issue doesn’t occur when I’m not interacting with the message 
table.

Ed
> On 22 Oct 2014, at 09:22, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Edward,
> 
> After countless hours of using Yosemite Mail, on two Macs, one being a 
> ventage 2009 model and the other recently purchased,  I can tell you that I 
> have never lost Message Column item focus in Mail when in Standard View.  
> 
> Rarely do I use Classic view, anymore, so cannot comment on that portion of 
> the application.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edward Green
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:29 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Jumping to the top of the message list in Mail/Yosemite
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Under Mavericks, Mail retained my place in the message list more often than 
> not when new messages arrived.
> 
> However, under Yosemite, I am jumped to the top of the message list when I 
> receive new mail.  I can obviously use the command to jump to the bottom of 
> the list, but this still means I have to arrow back up.
> 
> I rarely have an empty inbox so I’d be grateful for any suggestions on how I 
> can stop this happening.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ed
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Re: Newer Isn't Always Better: Multicore Mac Mini Performance

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

the 2012 versions you can replace the ram with ease
I think I will hold on to my mac mini 2012 and just upgrade the ram.
this is sad when there going back to soddering the ram in place

On 10/22/2014 11:48 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi all,

You may recall that I pointed to the new Mac Mini as the only noteworthy 
announcement from Apple recently.  If you use Mac Minis as servers, I now 
withdraw that recommendation.  See this article:
http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2014/10/estimating-mac-mini-performance/

The fact is that Apple has chosen, at the cost of reducing the price, to also 
reduce multicore performance of the high-end Mac Mini as part of its design.  
For a server, the newest Mac Mini is slower than the older.  I am therefore 
keeping my older Mac Mini, and leaving behind Thunderbolt 2, 802.11AC and Intel 
Iris graphics, all of which are superior in the newer model, but none of which 
are important to serving, in favour of the processor performance, which is.

If you don't run servers, Mac Mini may yet prove attractive.  But I fear that 
this is yet another sign of Apple's trivialisation of the consumer market; 
after all, they have a Mac Pro to sell you.  It's also worth noting that the 
RAM in the newest Mac Mini is soldered in place, just like the MacBooks, so 
choose your upgrades wisely.  It saddens me to see this development; at least 
when it was just software, you could replace it.

Cheers,
Sabahattin



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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

[Jessica Moss]

I had those same issues with my 4S, which I unfortunately didn't realize I was 
going to before I updated it, due to the fact that it's an older phone, and 
actually had no idea you could downgrade again, so you did the right thing 
doing that, sense you were going to have a rough time of it unless you plan on 
upgrading your phone any time soon.
On Oct 22, 2014, at 1:31 AM, Venkatesh Potluri  wrote:

> Hi list,
> I am using a 16GB iPhone 4S. I updated to iOs 8 and had a lot of
> issues so had to downgrade back to 7.1. My phone got a lot slower,
> apps like whatsapp and messenger kept constantly crashing and VO
> randomly restarts it self. i had many accidental touches, accidental
> calls, etc. I wish to know if these issues have been resolved in 8.1.
> Another major reason for me wanting to upgrade is the Flecksy
> keyboard. How good is it? I read that there are still problems using
> it. are there any show stopper bugs? Is the Looktel money reader
> working fine in 8.1?
> Thank you.
> Cheers,
> Venkatesh Potluri
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Re: Conversation Participants being Spoken in Yosemite mail

[gs]

Hmm. I have also noticed that in Yosemite, it does not seem possible to 
collapse the thread with the left arrow.  So if you have moved considerably 
through a very long conversation, it is quite time consuming to move back to 
the first message in order to cause it to collapse with left arrow.  Maybe 
there is a VO keystroke that will collapse the conversation but I may have 
forgotten it if it exists and am too lazy to go and try to locate it.  Is 
anyone else experiencing this behavior?




On Oct 22, 2014, at 4:06 AM, BobH.  wrote:

Deleting the uninteresting threads of grouped messages, cleans up quite 
efficiently.  Pity we couldn't change this mode on the fly like Outlook, so 
we can then read the better bits remaining, more efficiently.

- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Watson" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Conversation Participants being Spoken in Yosemite mail


Hi,

The issue with that is that in order to find the answer to a question posed 
is that you then have to wade through god knows how many emails to find any 
replies. Again, not very efficient. By grouping a conversation you can 
quickly get to any responses that may or may not be relevant. I would not 
even consider trying to parse messages on a list as busy as this without 
grouping.

Keith



> On Oct 21, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> as I think somebody suggested turn off group messages by conversation.
>> I have done this now. At least I can read the messages.
> Max
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2014, at 9:21 am, Keith Watson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Johnathan,
>> 
>> So after reading this thread I see that nobody has an answer for you. I 
>> am sorry to say that neither do I I would be very interested in finding a 
>> solution to this issue as well. Its so damned time consuming that I find 
>> myself blowing away all the messages in the mailbox after the first 3 or 
>> 4 threads that piss me off. When and if you do find a solution please let 
>> me know so that I can enjoy lists once again
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Keith
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone, I'm really enjoying all the new goodness in Yosemite, and 
>>> at least on my system, it's magnitudes better than the first release of 
>>> mavericks was. Plenty to enjoy.
>>> There's one efficiency hit I've taken that I've not seen commented on 
>>> here, although with so many messages of late, it's possible I've 
>>> accidentally skipped references to it.
>>> I use Standard View in Mail, and Yosemite has adopted the iOS approach 
>>> of speaking the names of all participants in a mail thread before the 
>>> subject. Does anyone know if there is a way to move this around? For 
>>> example, I've been away from the list for a couple of days and came back 
>>> to a 90 message conversation. I had to sit through a very very long list 
>>> of participants before I could even hear the subject of the thread to 
>>> determine whether it was of interest to me or not. That's not 
>>> particularly efficient. What I'd prefer to do is hear the conversation's 
>>> subject first, then if I have to hear the participants, they could be 
>>> spoken second.
>>> When reading an email list where threads can get quite long, this 
>>> current behaviour can add a long time to the experience.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: iOS 8.1 VO bug fixes

[Jessica Moss]

Have you tried upgrading to 8.2 yet?  Does voiceover still constantly reboot 
with your 5C, or has that finally been resolved?
On Oct 22, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> There is another one which I just wrote Accessibility about. If ou go into 
> Safari, you may find some of the links or buttons absolutely will not work 
> with VoiceOver. I have this to be true on my 5S for links or buttons that 
> want to input something. I can’t figure out the pattern because some work and 
> some don’t. I just did a survey for Apple Care support, and I had trouble 
> getting the first button to select although I finally beat it into 
> submission. However, the Next button for going to the following page 
> absolutely refused to work, and I finally had to switch to my Mac to get it 
> done. I tried the three finger flick, both down and up, and forget it. I have 
> been able to get one of them to work by turning VoiceOver off, but that was 
> only once. computers are interesting, right? 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:53 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There's been a lot of traffic so maybe I missed this but when I upgraded 
>> there were a number of bug fixes listed including the following:
>> 
>> Fixes an issue that prevented Guided Access from working properly
>> Fixes a bug where VoiceOver would not work with 3rd party keyboards
>> Improves stability and audio quality when using MFi Hearing Aids with iPhone 
>> 6 and iPhone 6 Plus
>> Fixes an issue with VoiceOver where tone dialing would get stuck on a tone 
>> until dialing another number
>> Improves reliability when using handwriting, Bluetooth keyboards and Braille 
>> displays with VoiceOver
>> 
>> I know there were some threads on this list about the stuck button and 
>> others.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
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Re: Conversation Participants being Spoken in Yosemite mail

[John Panarese]

   Left arrow is collapsing conversations here.  I am using the standard view.  
Right arrow expands and no matter how far down into a conversation I am, left 
arrow will collapse it.  Also try command-left arrow.



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> On Oct 22, 2014, at 8:28 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
> Hmm. I have also noticed that in Yosemite, it does not seem possible to 
> collapse the thread with the left arrow.  So if you have moved considerably 
> through a very long conversation, it is quite time consuming to move back to 
> the first message in order to cause it to collapse with left arrow.  Maybe 
> there is a VO keystroke that will collapse the conversation but I may have 
> forgotten it if it exists and am too lazy to go and try to locate it.  Is 
> anyone else experiencing this behavior?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2014, at 4:06 AM, BobH.  wrote:
> 
> Deleting the uninteresting threads of grouped messages, cleans up quite 
> efficiently.  Pity we couldn't change this mode on the fly like Outlook, so 
> we can then read the better bits remaining, more efficiently.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Keith Watson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Conversation Participants being Spoken in Yosemite mail
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The issue with that is that in order to find the answer to a question posed 
> is that you then have to wade through god knows how many emails to find any 
> replies. Again, not very efficient. By grouping a conversation you can 
> quickly get to any responses that may or may not be relevant. I would not 
> even consider trying to parse messages on a list as busy as this without 
> grouping.
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> as I think somebody suggested turn off group messages by conversation.
>>> I have done this now. At least I can read the messages.
>> Max
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2014, at 9:21 am, Keith Watson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Johnathan,
>>> 
>>> So after reading this thread I see that nobody has an answer for you. I 
>>> am sorry to say that neither do I I would be very interested in finding a 
>>> solution to this issue as well. Its so damned time consuming that I find 
>>> myself blowing away all the messages in the mailbox after the first 3 or 
>>> 4 threads that piss me off. When and if you do find a solution please let 
>>> me know so that I can enjoy lists once again
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Keith
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Jonathan Mosen >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I'm really enjoying all the new goodness in Yosemite, and 
 at least on my system, it's magnitudes better than the first release of 
 mavericks was. Plenty to enjoy.
 There's one efficiency hit I've taken that I've not seen commented on 
 here, although with so many messages of late, it's possible I've 
 accidentally skipped references to it.
 I use Standard View in Mail, and Yosemite has adopted the iOS approach 
 of speaking the names of all participants in a mail thread before the 
 subject. Does anyone know if there is a way to move this around? For 
 example, I've been away from the list for a couple of days and came back 
 to a 90 message conversation. I had to sit through a very very long list 
 of participants before I could even hear the subject of the thread to 
 determine whether it was of interest to me or not. That's not 
 particularly efficient. What I'd prefer to do is hear the conversation's 
 subject first, then if I have to hear the participants, they could be 
 spoken second.
 When reading an email list where threads can get quite long, this 
 current behaviour can add a long time to the experience.
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org 
 
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help with installing over drive on mac?

[Maria and Joe Chapman]

HI.

am trying to install the overdrive app on my mac.  When I open the disk image 
that I downloaded from the website, I get a message saying disk image manager 
has no windows.  I am then placed back in the finder where my files are.

can anyone help?

thanks.
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Re: Copying music etc from the latest iTunes to an iPad or iPhone under yosemeti

[Dean Adams]

Hi Tim,
After spending some time with apple they have created a fault ticket 
with the engineering team as they have taken away the method I was using to 
manually copy music etc across my devices . I have taken your advice and 
created a play list and am using that to sync my chosen music , so many thanks 
for your tips .

Regards Dean
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> On 21 Oct 2014, at 3:42 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've never used the method you've outlined.  I perform all my movement of 
> media back and forth through iTunes and the specific iDevices page.  That is, 
> if I wish to sync specific music, I bring up my iPhone page in iTunes, press 
> on the Music tab, Interact with the Scroll area then select what I wish 
> synced.  Once the Apply or Sync button is pressed, everything is moved 
> accordingly.  Usually, to make my life easiest, I put the songs into a 
> certain playlist then sync that playlist.  This makes the process much 
> quicker.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 6:49 AM, Dean Adams > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>>  I have struck a problem with the latest itunes when trying to copy 
>> music etc to my iphone , I used to go to the music library find the artist 
>> or song I wanted command c to copy the music then go to the sidebar and once 
>> in devices and my iphone paste the music etc with command v but now once I 
>> navigate to my Iphone I no longer can paste music  etc on to my device . If 
>> anyone has successfully been able to manually copy music etc accross to 
>> there device can they please give me the instructions on how to be able to 
>> oopy my chosen media to my device . Many thanks .
>> 
>> Regards Dean
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Re: Newer Isn't Always Better: Multicore Mac Mini Performance

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

It's ironic because I very nearly sold mine to a relative for a low price, 
which would have meant I couldn't afford an external storage enclosure I've 
been saving for.  Now it's worth its weight in gold!  Guess we should be 
careful what we wish for.  It keeps the money in my pocket, anyway, and 
validates my Thunderbolt 1 peripherals, which I'm always very happy about.

Still sad to see Apple go down this road though.  I'm sure if they did it right 
we could trust them to put out a machine you'd never need or want to upgrade, 
but to me the only explanation for this nonsense is, well, money; lowering the 
low-end costs to meet demand would be a great honour if it didn't mean this, 
and maybe it's Intel's fault too, but maybe Apple just doesn't want you 
cannibalising their Mac Pro sales, or their iMacs, or MBPs, or whatever.  You 
wouldn't advise someone needing a replacement I7 2.7 GHz machine to go out and 
get a Xeon, would you?  No, of course you wouldn't.  As it stands right now, 
buying a top-end Mac Mini quite simply means that you are getting _LESS_ than 
you got in 2012 in performance for a similar price, which is absolutely 
incredible.

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another strange issue

[Faisal]

I’m also having strange issues closing apps. this strange behaviour is not the 
same every time but I find that apps such as safari and even mail fail to close 
when I do the command q keystroke.
sometimes when apps do close, they are a little slow in closing than they were 
in Mavericks.
Is anyone else finding this to be the case?

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