Command line question.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I'd thought this would work but maybe it doesn't.
I have ssh into my mac from a linux box as root.
Now i want to copy a bunch of mp3-s or move them from one disk to another with 
mv or cp.
I tried:
cp *.mp3 /volumes/my audio disk/
I got the following error.
:sh: /bin/cp: argument list to long.
Please help and i promise i will read the manpage for cp.
/A

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Re: Selecting and copying items from a table in OSX safari

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Matt,

There are several ways of copying text from a website. The easiest way is to 
copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard (VO-Shift-c. Sometimes, shift plus 
arrow keys will work, other times, VO-Return to start selection, navigate with 
VO keys then VO-Return to stop selection will work. Then you have the Quick Nav 
way. For this, you need to have Lines included in the Web Rotor so that they 
appear as a choice in the Quick Nav rotor. Set the Rotor to Lines then use 
Shift-Down Arrow to select text.

Cheers,

Anne


On 28 Jun 2014, at 05:10, Matt Dierckens  wrote:

> Hey all.
> I was wondering, how does one go about selecting items in a table in safari 
> and then copying that text? Also, how does one select text from webpages?
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Sometimes speech can be annoying and there's no way of muting speech on a mac 
from what i know.
On the iphone evrything is fine but not on the mac.
But i guess that as long as you only read mails and such braille is pritty ok.
/A
29 jun 2014 kl. 21:06 skrev Robert C :

> Anders,
>   Can you explain more? You do not want speech on when using braille? I have 
> not used my braille display that much yet with the Mac or iPhone but when I 
> do, speech is on but if I don't want to hear it I can just mute it. I have 
> not used it yet with Windows but will run NVDA when I do.
> 
>   But back to what the question I asked was, in what way is Apple's braikke 
> support lacking? Knowing that, I can be ready for any issues I may run into. 
> In my limited tests, braille output seems ok.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> Why is there an expiration date on sour cream?
> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
> E-mail-
> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
> 
> On 6/29/2014 11:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes.
>> Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy.
>> Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux and 
>> their environment and  when moving around the braille display on a window 
>> doesn't afect the speech.
>> However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear 
>> speech comming through.
>> So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me.
>> I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux.
>> /A
>> 29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth 
>> :
>> 
>>> I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II 
>>> Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. 
>>> What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick 
>>> typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you 
>>> may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and 
>>> the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on 
>>> this though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware 
>>> of any issues pertaining to Braille under OS X.
>>> 
>>> Christopher Hallsworth
>>> Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
>>> www.hadley.edu
>>> 
>>> On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote:
 Sabahattin,
I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel
 that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin
 to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the
 time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them.
 Thanks.
 
 Quote of the nanosecond . . .
 Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in
 charge of everything outdoors?
 Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
 E-mail-
 gone.to.da...@gmail.com
 
 On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> Hi Eileen,
> 
> To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard.  As you can see,
> it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields.  I'd
> encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison.
> Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from
> the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid.
> 
> With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out
> what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility.
> I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical
> navigation to be the inner ones.
> 
> I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and
> I'll try and recreate your issue.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
> 
 
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Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

[Christopher Hallsworth]

You can mute speech on the mac with at least the trackpad. Same gesture 
as on the iPhone three finger double tap. You can also mute speech via a 
check box in VoiceOver Utility under the voices category. You could also 
set up a keyboard commander to mute speech on the fly.


Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 30/06/2014 08:53, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Sometimes speech can be annoying and there's no way of muting speech on a mac 
from what i know.
On the iphone evrything is fine but not on the mac.
But i guess that as long as you only read mails and such braille is pritty ok.
/A
29 jun 2014 kl. 21:06 skrev Robert C :


Anders,
   Can you explain more? You do not want speech on when using braille? I have 
not used my braille display that much yet with the Mac or iPhone but when I do, 
speech is on but if I don't want to hear it I can just mute it. I have not used 
it yet with Windows but will run NVDA when I do.

   But back to what the question I asked was, in what way is Apple's braikke 
support lacking? Knowing that, I can be ready for any issues I may run into. In 
my limited tests, braille output seems ok.

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Why is there an expiration date on sour cream?
Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
gone.to.da...@gmail.com

On 6/29/2014 11:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes.
Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy.
Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux and 
their environment and  when moving around the braille display on a window 
doesn't afect the speech.
However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear speech 
comming through.
So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me.
I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux.
/A
29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth :


I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II 
Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. What 
happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick typist 
then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you may end up 
with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and the space the k 
would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this though because I 
don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any issues pertaining to 
Braille under OS X.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote:

Sabahattin,
I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel
that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin
to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the
time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them.
Thanks.

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in
charge of everything outdoors?
Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
gone.to.da...@gmail.com

On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi Eileen,

To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard.  As you can see,
it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields.  I'd
encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison.
Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from
the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid.

With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out
what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility.
I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical
navigation to be the inner ones.

I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and
I'll try and recreate your issue.

Cheers,
Sabahattin





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Re: Garage Band on the I phone.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have tried but its easier i think on the ipad.
/A
29 jun 2014 kl. 22:51 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :

> Hello Again.
> 
> Has anyone ever got Garage band working on their I phone?  If so, how would 
> one accomplish things on it as I have tried in the past but had no success 
> unless it's accessible now.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Logic for mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Wow thanks.
I'll try it out.
/A
30 jun 2014 kl. 01:29 skrev Nektarios Mallas :

> Hello.
> Logic pro X is reasonably accessible and it is becoming more and more 
> accessible with each update. 
> People are using it with voice over with success making recordings, mixing 
> etc. 
> There are issues, of course, but it is very usable.
> 
> Good luck.
> Nektarios.
> 
> On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:37 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> I've heard that logic pro or what its called isn't accessible for us.
>> So what program to use if i want the same functions?
>> Ofcourse i can use garageband but i want something more professional.
>> /A
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Re: Command line question.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

hi, it is not cp or as you call it copy that you need but "scp" note
the quotes that i made round the word.
basically as i recall it it is a long time ago i used it you gotta
write something like this. scp *.extension,
root@ipadress/place/where.you.want.thefiles/
if you want more information as you copy it you can set a -vvv in
before the rest of the line, if that don't work let me know and i will
help you out .:)
Sandi


On 6/30/14, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> I'd thought this would work but maybe it doesn't.
> I have ssh into my mac from a linux box as root.
> Now i want to copy a bunch of mp3-s or move them from one disk to another
> with mv or cp.
> I tried:
> cp *.mp3 /volumes/my audio disk/
> I got the following error.
> :sh: /bin/cp: argument list to long.
> Please help and i promise i will read the manpage for cp.
> /A
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Re: Command line question.

[Jason White]

Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> I tried:
> cp *.mp3 /volumes/my audio disk/

If you use backslashes to quote the spaces in the name of the destination
directory, does it give a better result?

It's possible there are too many arguments on the command line - OS X may have
a much more restrictive limit than Linux does. Under Linux, I think you can
vary this by changing the stack size with the ulimit command.

> I got the following error.
> :sh: /bin/cp: argument list to long.

that certainly suggests the second problem.

I'm too new to OS X to know what the limits are.

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Re: Command line question.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

well as i just said if he just use cp, over ssh, it would not work, as
a matter of fact he can beat at it till the cow comes home.
Of course i am taking for granted that he ***wanna*** move the stuff
from one computer too another, so scp that is .
just found this .
sandras-MacBook-Air:~ sandra$ man scp >scp
sandras-MacBook-Air:~ sandra$ cat scp

SCP(1)BSD General Commands Manual   SCP(1)

NAME
 scp -- secure copy (remote file copy program)

SYNOPSIS
 scp [-12346BCEpqrv] [-c cipher] [-F ssh_config] [-i identity_file]
 [-l limit] [-o ssh_option] [-P port] [-S program]
 [[user@]host1:]file1 ... [[user@]host2:]file2

DESCRIPTION
 scp copies files between hosts on a network.  It uses ssh(1) for data
 transfer, and uses the same authentication and provides the same security
 as ssh(1).  Unlike rcp(1), scp will ask for passwords or passphrases if
 they are needed for authentication.

 File names may contain a user and host specification to indicate that the
 file is to be copied to/from that host.  Local file names can be made
 explicit using absolute or relative pathnames to avoid scp treating file
 names containing `:' as host specifiers.  Copies between two remote hosts
 are also permitted.

 The options are as follows:

 -1  Forces scp to use protocol 1.

 -2  Forces scp to use protocol 2.

 -3  Copies between two remote hosts are transferred through the local
 host.  Without this option the data is copied directly between
 the two remote hosts.  Note that this option disables the
 progress meter.

 -4  Forces scp to use IPv4 addresses only.

 -6  Forces scp to use IPv6 addresses only.

 -B  Selects batch mode (prevents asking for passwords or
 passphrases).

 -C  Compression enable.  Passes the -C flag to ssh(1) to enable com-
 pression.

 -E  Preserves extended attributes, resource forks, and ACLs.
 Requires both ends to be running Mac OS X 10.4 or later.

 -c cipher
 Selects the cipher to use for encrypting the data transfer.  This
 option is directly passed to ssh(1).

 -F ssh_config
 Specifies an alternative per-user configuration file for ssh.
 This option is directly passed to ssh(1).

 -i identity_file
 Selects the file from which the identity (private key) for public
 key authentication is read.  This option is directly passed to
 ssh(1).

 -l limit
 Limits the used bandwidth, specified in Kbit/s.

 -o ssh_option
 Can be used to pass options to ssh in the format used in
 ssh_config(5).  This is useful for specifying options for which
 there is no separate scp command-line flag.  For full details of
 the options listed below, and their possible values, see
 ssh_config(5).

   AddressFamily
   BatchMode
   BindAddress
   ChallengeResponseAuthentication
   CheckHostIP
   Cipher
   Ciphers
   Compression
   CompressionLevel
   ConnectionAttempts
   ConnectTimeout
   ControlMaster
   ControlPath
   GlobalKnownHostsFile
   GSSAPIAuthentication
   GSSAPIDelegateCredentials
   HashKnownHosts
   Host
   HostbasedAuthentication
   HostKeyAlgorithms
   HostKeyAlias
   HostName
   IdentityFile
   IdentitiesOnly
   IPQoS
   KbdInteractiveDevices
   KexAlgorithms
   LogLevel
   MACs
   NoHostAuthenticationForLocalhost
   NumberOfPasswordPrompts
   PasswordAuthentication
   PKCS11Provider
   Port
   PreferredAuthentications
   Protocol
   ProxyCommand
   PubkeyAuthentication
   RekeyLimit
   RhostsRSAAuthentication
   RSAAuthentication
   SendEnv
   ServerAliveInterval
   ServerAliveCountMax
   StrictHostKeyChecking
   TCPKeepAlive
   UsePrivilegedPort
   User
   UserKnownHostsFile
   VerifyHostKeyDNS

 -P port
 Specifies the port to connect to on the remote host.  Note that
 this option is written with a capital `P', because -p is already
 reserved for preserving the times and modes of 

Re: Command line question.

[DD]

Someone wrote:

"I have ssh into my mac from a linux box as root.
Now i want to copy a bunch of mp3-s or move them from one disk to another 
with

mv or cp."

Use sftp to transfer files, or just ftp if it is between two of your own 
computers.


There is a man page for both, I prefer sftp for its command set.

XB

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Re: Silly Question: Flash

[Mike Arrigo]

The problem is with Adobe, they have said in the past that they don't 
think there are enough blind mac users to make it accessible. Also, 
flash is slowly giving way to html 5, any web site that still insists 
on using flash is lagging behind the times.

Original message:
Anyone know where we are with regard to Flash on OS X, or is it the 
same old game of passing the ball?


Yeah, I know, silly question and I already know the answer, but I'll 
ask anyway. :)


The BBC have made the regrettable decision to continue using Flash, 
even on Macs, in spite of accessibility issues.  This makes me unhappy.



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Re: Command line question.

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

huh? i think i had a blonde moment there… that might work as well but
sfpt would be more secure than just ftp right?


On 6/30/14, DD  wrote:
>
>
> Someone wrote:
>
> "I have ssh into my mac from a linux box as root.
> Now i want to copy a bunch of mp3-s or move them from one disk to another
> with
> mv or cp."
>
> Use sftp to transfer files, or just ftp if it is between two of your own
> computers.
>
> There is a man page for both, I prefer sftp for its command set.
>
> XB
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Re: Blind Square - help getting started please

[Mike Arrigo]

I also think it's a great app. When I'm walking around, it's the app I 
use most. It does cost money to develop these apps, as has already been 
stated, no one is forcing you to purchase it if you don't like the cost.

Original message:
well jessica, you have gotten several opinions on how great blind 
square is.  you continue to complain about the cost.  so, just don't 
buy it then.  we can't force you.  lol.

why continue to write negative emails?
good work on BS Ilkka!



Vivianna



On Jun 28, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:



Hi!
Yes!
Its worth the price.
/A
27 jun 2014 kl. 20:02 skrev Jessica D :



I want to know what everyone thinks, is it worth the price?
Thanks,
Jessica



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On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:



Hi Eleanor,


This is the first chance I have had to open the app. I hope you have 
read the help info that is documented in the app. There are so many 
settings that you can select to make the experience of using Blind 
Square to your liking.


To answer yourquestion about using Google Maps, this needs to be 
install on the phone first. When you open Blind Square, you can search 
for a location or open your "My Places" to select a destination. Once 
this is done, at the bottom of the screen in portrait mode you will 
hear VO annouce "route" or something like that. Double tap on this and 
a new screen will open. This is where you can choose the navigation 
apps for GPS. The native map will be listed, as well as any GPS apps 
that you have installed. Just double tap on one of them and  the GPS 
app will open. You then need to  use the GPS app as if you had opened 
it on its own. There are lots to learn about the app. I know that at 
applevis.com there have been podcasts produce on how to use the app. I 
would do a search for "Blind Square" to pull them up. HTH.



Best,
Eileen



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On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Eleanor Roberts 
 wrote:



Hi all


Wondered if you could help me with this one. I've just bought Blind 
Square and put it on my IPhone, and was wondering if anyone could give 
me some hints and tips on how to get started please?? For example, do I 
need to get something like Google maps to use with it? If so how do I 
get the two to work together??



Any help much appreciated, as I feel I'm plunging into the unknown!!



Thanks.



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Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

[Robert C]

   Pause / resume speech with Space 1-2-3-4.

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On 6/30/2014 12:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Sometimes speech can be annoying and there's no way of muting speech on a mac 
from what i know.
On the iphone evrything is fine but not on the mac.
But i guess that as long as you only read mails and such braille is pritty ok.
/A
29 jun 2014 kl. 21:06 skrev Robert C :


Anders,
   Can you explain more? You do not want speech on when using braille? I have 
not used my braille display that much yet with the Mac or iPhone but when I do, 
speech is on but if I don't want to hear it I can just mute it. I have not used 
it yet with Windows but will run NVDA when I do.

   But back to what the question I asked was, in what way is Apple's braikke 
support lacking? Knowing that, I can be ready for any issues I may run into. In 
my limited tests, braille output seems ok.

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On 6/29/2014 11:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes.
Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy.
Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux and 
their environment and  when moving around the braille display on a window 
doesn't afect the speech.
However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear speech 
comming through.
So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me.
I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux.
/A
29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth :


I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II 
Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. What 
happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick typist 
then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you may end up 
with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and the space the k 
would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this though because I 
don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any issues pertaining to 
Braille under OS X.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote:

Sabahattin,
I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel
that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin
to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the
time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them.
Thanks.

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On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi Eileen,

To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard.  As you can see,
it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields.  I'd
encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison.
Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from
the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid.

With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out
what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility.
I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical
navigation to be the inner ones.

I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and
I'll try and recreate your issue.

Cheers,
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Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

[Robert C]

   Wait, this is the one I meant to share. Toggle speech on / off with 
Space 1-3-4.


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On 6/30/2014 12:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Sometimes speech can be annoying and there's no way of muting speech on a mac 
from what i know.
On the iphone evrything is fine but not on the mac.
But i guess that as long as you only read mails and such braille is pritty ok.
/A
29 jun 2014 kl. 21:06 skrev Robert C :


Anders,
   Can you explain more? You do not want speech on when using braille? I have 
not used my braille display that much yet with the Mac or iPhone but when I do, 
speech is on but if I don't want to hear it I can just mute it. I have not used 
it yet with Windows but will run NVDA when I do.

   But back to what the question I asked was, in what way is Apple's braikke 
support lacking? Knowing that, I can be ready for any issues I may run into. In 
my limited tests, braille output seems ok.

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On 6/29/2014 11:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes.
Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy.
Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux and 
their environment and  when moving around the braille display on a window 
doesn't afect the speech.
However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear speech 
comming through.
So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me.
I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux.
/A
29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth :


I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II 
Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. What 
happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick typist 
then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you may end up 
with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and the space the k 
would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this though because I 
don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any issues pertaining to 
Braille under OS X.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote:

Sabahattin,
I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel
that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin
to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the
time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them.
Thanks.

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On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi Eileen,

To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard.  As you can see,
it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields.  I'd
encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison.
Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from
the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid.

With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out
what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility.
I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical
navigation to be the inner ones.

I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and
I'll try and recreate your issue.

Cheers,
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Re: Command line question.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Anders,

You're not specific as to whether the copy is going between two computers or 
simply between mounted volumes on the same computer.  If on the same computer, 
your command should work fine, as long as, like Jason mentioned, you've either 
quoted out or back-slashed out the spaces.  So...

cp *.mp3 /volumes/my\ audio\ disk/

or...

cp *.mp3 /volumes/'my audio disk''/

The back-slash tells the Terminal to not count the "space" after it as an 
argument separator.  Similarly, the double or single quotes will can be used 
when arguments have a space so that everything in quotes is counted as a single 
entity.

If you meant between computers, then the others suggestions would work as 
suggested.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:45 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

> Hi!
> I'd thought this would work but maybe it doesn't.
> I have ssh into my mac from a linux box as root.
> Now i want to copy a bunch of mp3-s or move them from one disk to another 
> with mv or cp.
> I tried:
> cp *.mp3 /volumes/my audio disk/
> I got the following error.
> :sh: /bin/cp: argument list to long.
> Please help and i promise i will read the manpage for cp.
> /A
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Anyone experiencing no feedback when searching with google for the 1st time with Safari?

[Daniel McGee]

Hey all, sorry for the long subject line but I was wondering if I was the only 
one experiencing this.

Here's what's happening in descriptive form.

1. load up Safari and it puts you automatically in the edit field. At least it 
does for me.
2. Start typing your search and expected result is for Voiceover to start 
providing feedback as you type right? Of course this depends on how you have 
set your typing echo. In my case, it is set as characters and words.
3. Lately unexpected result is no feedback watso ever and this is with the 
above settings applied.
5. work around: type something VO right or left to go away from the edit field 
and then go back to it.
6. Start typing again and you get feedback again as to what your typing in the 
search box.

I haven't tried this out with other form/edit fields with different sites but 
just wanted to point it out to everyone to see if its just my particular system 
or if its having globally with Safari and Voiceover on the Mac.

Its probably not a big deal but thought I'd mention it anyway.

By the way, it doesn't happen with Google Crome. That browser behaves as normal 
hence my wondering if its Safari and VO specific.

Daniel

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Re: Anyone experiencing no feedback when searching with google for the 1st time with Safari?

[isaac]

Weird I am not noticing this here. 
When I am typing in to edit fields it works fine here.
isaac
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On Jun 30, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Daniel McGee  
wrote:

> Hey all, sorry for the long subject line but I was wondering if I was the 
> only one experiencing this.
> 
> Here's what's happening in descriptive form.
> 
> 1. load up Safari and it puts you automatically in the edit field. At least 
> it does for me.
> 2. Start typing your search and expected result is for Voiceover to start 
> providing feedback as you type right? Of course this depends on how you have 
> set your typing echo. In my case, it is set as characters and words.
> 3. Lately unexpected result is no feedback watso ever and this is with the 
> above settings applied.
> 5. work around: type something VO right or left to go away from the edit 
> field and then go back to it.
> 6. Start typing again and you get feedback again as to what your typing in 
> the search box.
> 
> I haven't tried this out with other form/edit fields with different sites but 
> just wanted to point it out to everyone to see if its just my particular 
> system or if its having globally with Safari and Voiceover on the Mac.
> 
> Its probably not a big deal but thought I'd mention it anyway.
> 
> By the way, it doesn't happen with Google Crome. That browser behaves as 
> normal hence my wondering if its Safari and VO specific.
> 
> Daniel
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Re: Anyone experiencing no feedback when searching with google for the 1st time with Safari?

[Daniel McGee]

Hi isaac, interesting. 

Lets see what others have to say. 
On 30 Jun 2014, at 17:58, isaac  wrote:

> isaac

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Re: Command line question.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Sure it does.
Thanks.
/A
30 jun 2014 kl. 10:51 skrev Jason White :

> Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> I tried:
>> cp *.mp3 /volumes/my audio disk/
> 
> If you use backslashes to quote the spaces in the name of the destination
> directory, does it give a better result?
> 
> It's possible there are too many arguments on the command line - OS X may have
> a much more restrictive limit than Linux does. Under Linux, I think you can
> vary this by changing the stack size with the ulimit command.
> 
>> I got the following error.
>> :sh: /bin/cp: argument list to long.
> 
> that certainly suggests the second problem.
> 
> I'm too new to OS X to know what the limits are.
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Re: Anyone experiencing no feedback when searching with google for the 1st time with Safari?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I have no issues here with this.

> On 30 Jun 2014, at 05:44 pm, Daniel McGee  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey all, sorry for the long subject line but I was wondering if I was the 
> only one experiencing this.
> 
> Here's what's happening in descriptive form.
> 
> 1. load up Safari and it puts you automatically in the edit field. At least 
> it does for me.
> 2. Start typing your search and expected result is for Voiceover to start 
> providing feedback as you type right? Of course this depends on how you have 
> set your typing echo. In my case, it is set as characters and words.
> 3. Lately unexpected result is no feedback watso ever and this is with the 
> above settings applied.
> 5. work around: type something VO right or left to go away from the edit 
> field and then go back to it.
> 6. Start typing again and you get feedback again as to what your typing in 
> the search box.
> 
> I haven't tried this out with other form/edit fields with different sites but 
> just wanted to point it out to everyone to see if its just my particular 
> system or if its having globally with Safari and Voiceover on the Mac.
> 
> Its probably not a big deal but thought I'd mention it anyway.
> 
> By the way, it doesn't happen with Google Crome. That browser behaves as 
> normal hence my wondering if its Safari and VO specific.
> 
> Daniel
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Re: Anyone experiencing no feedback when searching with google for the 1st time with Safari?

[Jessica D]

I don't either. I do need to press command l twice to tell voice over to speak 
the contents of the address bar. This is because I do not know the right 
command.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I have no issues here with this.
> 
>> On 30 Jun 2014, at 05:44 pm, Daniel McGee  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all, sorry for the long subject line but I was wondering if I was the 
>> only one experiencing this.
>> 
>> Here's what's happening in descriptive form.
>> 
>> 1. load up Safari and it puts you automatically in the edit field. At least 
>> it does for me.
>> 2. Start typing your search and expected result is for Voiceover to start 
>> providing feedback as you type right? Of course this depends on how you have 
>> set your typing echo. In my case, it is set as characters and words.
>> 3. Lately unexpected result is no feedback watso ever and this is with the 
>> above settings applied.
>> 5. work around: type something VO right or left to go away from the edit 
>> field and then go back to it.
>> 6. Start typing again and you get feedback again as to what your typing in 
>> the search box.
>> 
>> I haven't tried this out with other form/edit fields with different sites 
>> but just wanted to point it out to everyone to see if its just my particular 
>> system or if its having globally with Safari and Voiceover on the Mac.
>> 
>> Its probably not a big deal but thought I'd mention it anyway.
>> 
>> By the way, it doesn't happen with Google Crome. That browser behaves as 
>> normal hence my wondering if its Safari and VO specific.
>> 
>> Daniel
>> 
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RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

I believe I asked a question about panning with my 
BrailleNote and my Mac Air a while back, but it has led to other things. I
have reviewed the voiceover commands for braille, have looked at all the
keystrokes for the BrailleNote and voiceover,, but I haven't been able to
figure this out. I was in a basic TextEdit and iTextExpress document and I
couldn't use any of my thumb keys to pan to the next line. Again, I ask are
there any tricks to the trade with This? Right now, I am only using the
BrailleNote with my iPhone4, with iOS 7.0.6. I am able to navigate more
effectively on that device than on my Mac Air. Any suggestions would be
terrific to use it with my Mac. 

Best, 
Eileen 

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Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions

Pause / resume speech with Space 1-2-3-4.

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
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On 6/30/2014 12:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> Hi!
> Sometimes speech can be annoying and there's no way of muting speech on a
mac from what i know.
> On the iphone evrything is fine but not on the mac.
> But i guess that as long as you only read mails and such braille is pritty
ok.
> /A
> 29 jun 2014 kl. 21:06 skrev Robert C :
>
>> Anders,
>>Can you explain more? You do not want speech on when using braille? I
have not used my braille display that much yet with the Mac or iPhone but
when I do, speech is on but if I don't want to hear it I can just mute it. I
have not used it yet with Windows but will run NVDA when I do.
>>
>>But back to what the question I asked was, in what way is Apple's
braikke support lacking? Knowing that, I can be ready for any issues I may
run into. In my limited tests, braille output seems ok.
>>
>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>> Why is there an expiration date on sour cream?
>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
>> E-mail-
>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>>
>> On 6/29/2014 11:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes.
>>> Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy.
>>> Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux
and their environment and  when moving around the braille display on a
window doesn't afect the speech.
>>> However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear
speech comming through.
>>> So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me.
>>> I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux.
>>> /A
>>> 29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth
:
>>>
 I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade
II Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS
7. What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick
typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you
may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and
the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this
though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any
issues pertaining to Braille under OS X.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

 On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote:
> Sabahattin,
> I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you 
> feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. 
> When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille 
> display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues
and work around them.
> Thanks.
>
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in 
> charge of everything outdoors?
> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
> E-mail-
> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>
> On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>> Hi Eileen,
>>
>> To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard.  As you can 
>> see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields.  
>> I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for
comparison.
>> Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support 
>> from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid.
>>
>> With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure 
>> out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver
Utility.
>> I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical 
>> navigation to be the inner ones.
>>
>> I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck 
>> and I'll try and recreate your issue.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sabahattin
>>
>

OS X 10.9.4 is out

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
OS X 10.9.4 just came out. Mostly, it fixes that frustrating problem where some 
MacBooks wouldn't auto-connect to wifi when woken up, but it also includes a 
Safari update and other minor fixes. As usual, there's no mention of 
accessibility; my personal hope is that the weird pronunciation problems in 
Nuance voices have been addressed. Oh, and if you use iOS as well, 7.1.2 just 
dropped. Enjoy!
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Re: Anyone experiencing no feedback when searching with google for the 1st time with Safari?

[Daniel McGee]

How very strange that it's just me getting this. 
Oh well, maybe it maybe fix in a software update. Don't worry guys, I can live 
with it. 

Thank you  for those who kindly responded to this. I appreciate it.

Daniel
On 30 Jun 2014, at 18:33, Jessica D  wrote:

> I don't either. I do need to press command l twice to tell voice over to 
> speak the contents of the address bar. This is because I do not know the 
> right command.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I have no issues here with this.
>> 
>>> On 30 Jun 2014, at 05:44 pm, Daniel McGee  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all, sorry for the long subject line but I was wondering if I was the 
>>> only one experiencing this.
>>> 
>>> Here's what's happening in descriptive form.
>>> 
>>> 1. load up Safari and it puts you automatically in the edit field. At least 
>>> it does for me.
>>> 2. Start typing your search and expected result is for Voiceover to start 
>>> providing feedback as you type right? Of course this depends on how you 
>>> have set your typing echo. In my case, it is set as characters and words.
>>> 3. Lately unexpected result is no feedback watso ever and this is with the 
>>> above settings applied.
>>> 5. work around: type something VO right or left to go away from the edit 
>>> field and then go back to it.
>>> 6. Start typing again and you get feedback again as to what your typing in 
>>> the search box.
>>> 
>>> I haven't tried this out with other form/edit fields with different sites 
>>> but just wanted to point it out to everyone to see if its just my 
>>> particular system or if its having globally with Safari and Voiceover on 
>>> the Mac.
>>> 
>>> Its probably not a big deal but thought I'd mention it anyway.
>>> 
>>> By the way, it doesn't happen with Google Crome. That browser behaves as 
>>> normal hence my wondering if its Safari and VO specific.
>>> 
>>> Daniel
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The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac

[Daniel McGee]

Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless its 
just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get across what 
I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my question in the hope 
its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, then I'm not offended 
or anything like that. So here' it goes.

Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple released 
last year for the Mac.
Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm 
working with.

What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, go 
about saving and editing your documents.

I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open 
it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it 
again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to save it 
again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which 
isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would continue 
working with the document.

Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence 
as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. 

So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in regards 
to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated!

Thank you.

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Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

thanks, luckily this update already came out. i'm about to update my router a 
while ago. now this fix my problem, i told you there's no problem with my 
router :)

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Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out

[Devin Prater]

I hope vo with bluetooth keyboards is better in ios. I'm downloading the 
iOS update now.

On 6/30/2014 2:37 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
OS X 10.9.4 just came out. Mostly, it fixes that frustrating problem 
where some MacBooks wouldn't auto-connect to wifi when woken up, but 
it also includes a Safari update and other minor fixes. As usual, 
there's no mention of accessibility; my personal hope is that the 
weird pronunciation problems in Nuance voices have been addressed. Oh, 
and if you use iOS as well, 7.1.2 just dropped. Enjoy!

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Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out

[Christopher Hallsworth]

It's been better as of the 7.1 or 7.1.1 update.

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On 30/06/2014 20:08, Devin Prater wrote:

I hope vo with bluetooth keyboards is better in ios. I'm downloading the
iOS update now.
On 6/30/2014 2:37 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
OS X 10.9.4 just came out. Mostly, it fixes that frustrating problem
where some MacBooks wouldn't auto-connect to wifi when woken up, but
it also includes a Safari update and other minor fixes. As usual,
there's no mention of accessibility; my personal hope is that the
weird pronunciation problems in Nuance voices have been addressed. Oh,
and if you use iOS as well, 7.1.2 just dropped. Enjoy!
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Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out

[Devin Prater]

Better, but not perfect.
On 6/30/2014 3:11 PM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote:

It's been better as of the 7.1 or 7.1.1 update.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 30/06/2014 20:08, Devin Prater wrote:

I hope vo with bluetooth keyboards is better in ios. I'm downloading the
iOS update now.
On 6/30/2014 2:37 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
OS X 10.9.4 just came out. Mostly, it fixes that frustrating problem
where some MacBooks wouldn't auto-connect to wifi when woken up, but
it also includes a Safari update and other minor fixes. As usual,
there's no mention of accessibility; my personal hope is that the
weird pronunciation problems in Nuance voices have been addressed. Oh,
and if you use iOS as well, 7.1.2 just dropped. Enjoy!
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Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out

[Gabriele Battaglia]

Hi, the problem with iTunes and VO which doesn't read the focus moving on the 
music table is still on.
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Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out

[Devin Prater]

Well, it may be fixed in Yosemite. What's new in Safari?
On 6/30/2014 3:13 PM, Gabriele Battaglia wrote:

Hi, the problem with iTunes and VO which doesn't read the focus moving on the 
music table is still on.
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Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out

[Matt Dierckens]

That's an iTunes issue, not OSX. I really wish that they would fix that.
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> Hi, the problem with iTunes and VO which doesn't read the focus moving on the 
> music table is still on.
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Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

gabriele what is the problem with your itunes, mine it's working fine 
perfectly...
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Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out

[Gabriele Battaglia]

Il giorno 30/giu/2014, alle ore 21:15, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 ha scritto:

> gabriele what is the problem with your itunes, mine it's working fine 
> perfectly...
Hi and thanks for asking.
If you interact with the music table, in iTunes, and then you try to move up 
and down with harrows keys, VoiceOver doesn't give any feedback.
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Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

can you try to play a song then press cmd + l to go to the current song, then 
try to ineract with it, hope it helps.
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> Il giorno 30/giu/2014, alle ore 21:15, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
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>> gabriele what is the problem with your itunes, mine it's working fine 
>> perfectly...
> Hi and thanks for asking.
> If you interact with the music table, in iTunes, and then you try to move up 
> and down with harrows keys, VoiceOver doesn't give any feedback.
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Re: Logic for mac.

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

really???
sense what version?
last I heard there was no way to make it accessible with out having to 
rewrite the code from scratch?  if I am incorrect on this what version 
is accessible as far as most useability is concerned?


On 6/29/2014 4:29 PM, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

Hello.
Logic pro X is reasonably accessible and it is becoming more and more 
accessible with each update.
People are using it with voice over with success making recordings, mixing etc.
There are issues, of course, but it is very usable.

Good luck.
Nektarios.

On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:37 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:


Hi!
I've heard that logic pro or what its called isn't accessible for us.
So what program to use if i want the same functions?
Ofcourse i can use garageband but i want something more professional.
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Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out

[Daniel McGee]

Was hoping this update included the newer sounding compact voices found on IOS 
with VO.
Didn't happen, sigh. Even though I sent an email to the accessibility team 
about it. I'm not complaining because I'm sure they have other accessibility 
assignments but it still would of been nice for Daniel to stop sounding like 
he's got a cold. lol


On 30 Jun 2014, at 20:26, Dionipher Presas Herrera  wrote:

> can you try to play a song then press cmd + l to go to the current song, then 
> try to ineract with it, hope it helps.
> On 30 Jun 2014, at 09:17 pm, Gabriele Battaglia 
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> 
>> 
>> Il giorno 30/giu/2014, alle ore 21:15, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>  ha scritto:
>> 
>>> gabriele what is the problem with your itunes, mine it's working fine 
>>> perfectly...
>> Hi and thanks for asking.
>> If you interact with the music table, in iTunes, and then you try to move up 
>> and down with harrows keys, VoiceOver doesn't give any feedback.
>> Gabriel
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Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac

[isaac]

If you want to save it as a word document you will have to go to the file menu. 
Next go to export submenu. 
Next choose word. 
After that you should be able to press command s to save it.
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On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Daniel McGee  wrote:

> Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless 
> its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get 
> across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my 
> question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, 
> then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes.
> 
> Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple 
> released last year for the Mac.
> Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm 
> working with.
> 
> What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, 
> go about saving and editing your documents.
> 
> I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open 
> it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it 
> again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to save it 
> again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which 
> isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would 
> continue working with the document.
> 
> Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence 
> as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. 
> 
> So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in 
> regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated!
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Daniel
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Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac

[Daniel McGee]

Hello isaac, yeah I do all that, what you have detailed but when I next come to 
open the newly saved document, make some edits and then hit CMD S to save. It 
will pop up a dialog box forcing me to save it in a dot pages format. I just 
don't get why Pages won't continue saving the file into word once I've created 
the exported word doc file.

So does it continue saving into word, once you've exported it into that file 
format because it simply  doesn't for me. It stubbenly wants me to save in its 
own format which to me kinds of defeats the purpose of word documents. Either 
its me or I'm not getting it. :(

Daniel , 
On 30 Jun 2014, at 21:10, isaac  wrote:

> If you want to save it as a word document you will have to go to the file 
> menu. 
> Next go to export submenu. 
> Next choose word. 
> After that you should be able to press command s to save it.
> isaac
> isaac.heb...@gmail.com
> Skype gold_wildcat 
> 
> On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Daniel McGee  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless 
>> its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get 
>> across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my 
>> question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If 
>> not, then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes.
>> 
>> Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple 
>> released last year for the Mac.
>> Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm 
>> working with.
>> 
>> What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, 
>> go about saving and editing your documents.
>> 
>> I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to 
>> open it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to 
>> save it again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to 
>> save it again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd 
>> time. which isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I 
>> would continue working with the document.
>> 
>> Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows 
>> hence as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. 
>> 
>> So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in 
>> regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated!
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Daniel
>> 
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Re: Logic for mac.

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

protools

On 6/29/2014 11:37 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
I've heard that logic pro or what its called isn't accessible for us.
So what program to use if i want the same functions?
Ofcourse i can use garageband but i want something more professional.
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Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

I have been running the public preview of 10..9.4  for the last week lot so and 
have seen no mater problems here.  Wonder if  you have the public preview if it 
is the same as the official version?

Matthew


On Jun 30, 2014, at 3:13 PM, Gabriele Battaglia  
wrote:

> Hi, the problem with iTunes and VO which doesn't read the focus moving on the 
> music table is still on.
> Gabriel
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Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories

[mário navarro]

hi.
alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the 
languages ​​that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer 
expressive voices?
yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages 
and not only for English USA.

on the mac, alex only supports English / USA.
who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac?

now speak about speak screen.
Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do 
specifically on the screen?

because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements.
with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements 
that can be found in the screen ...

what makes this tool more?
is this not more of the same?
I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the 
selector elements.
We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that 
informs us of what is on the screen.

anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically?
thanks.
cheers.
Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu:
Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And 
now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder 
than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;)


Quote of the nanosecond . . .
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On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader 
mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I 
can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do 
they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever 
happened to simplicity there? LOL.
On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
 wrote:



Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list.

http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/ 



An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features


Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on 
iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, 
and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating 
system that drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) 
products, so it's natural that the limelight be shone on the new 
features for the mass market.


As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple 
includes in iOS are nonetheless just as important and innovative as 
the A-list features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at Moscone. 
Indeed, Apple is to be lauded for their year-over-year commitment to 
improving iOS's Accessibility feature set, and they continue that 
trend with iOS 8.


Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain 
briefly how each feature works.



Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the Mac, 
to iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio technologies 
(Siri excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and another 
new Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In 
essence, Alex is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice that 
controls VoiceOver, et al, in iOS today.


Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt the 
aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including queries 
asked of Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually impaired 
users who may have issues reading what is on their iPhone and/or 
iPad. It should be noted that Speak Screen is fundamentally 
different from Speak Selection, which only reads aloud selected 
text. By contrast, Speak Screen will read aloud everything on the 
screen -- text, button labels, etc.


Zoom. Apple has made some welcome tweaks to its Zoom functionality 
in iOS 8. The hallmark feature is users now have the ability to 
specify which part of the screen is zoomed in, as well as adjust the 
level of the zoom. In particular, it's now possible to have the 
virtual keyboard on screen at normal size underneath a zoomed-in 
window. What this does is makes it easy to both type and see what 
you're typing without having to battle the entirety of the user 
interface being zoomed in.


Grayscale. iOS in and of itself doesn't have "themes" like so many 
third-party apps support -- and even like OS X Yosemite's new "dark 
mode". iOS does, however, support a pseudo-theme by way of Invert 
Colors (white-on-black). In iOS 8, Apple is adding a second 
pseudo-theme to the system with Grayscale. With this option turned 
on, the entirety of iOS's UI is turned, as the name would imply, 
gray. The addition of a Grayscale is notable because it gives those 
users who have issues with colorized display -- or who simply view 
darker displays better -- another way to alter the contrast of their 
device(s).


Guided Access. The big addition to Guided Access is that Apple is 
leveraging its own new-to-iOS-8 Touch ID developer API to enable 
users to be a

Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories

[Alex Hall]

I imagine Alex will remain English only, with the usual Nuance voices being 
used for all other languages. That's just speculation, though.

I don't know, but the speak screen option seems more for occasional use by 
people who can usually see the screen; I doubt it is intended for use by VO 
users. I imagine Zoom users, or those with certain learning problems, will find 
it quite andy, but VO users not so much. Again, this is all speculation and 
guessing at this point; I'mnot even a beta tester.
On Jun 30, 2014, at 11:05 PM, mário navarro  wrote:

> 
> 
> hi.
> alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages 
> ​​that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices?
> yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not 
> only for English USA.
> on the mac, alex only supports English / USA.
> who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac?
> 
> now speak about speak screen.
> Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do 
> specifically on the screen?
> because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements.
> with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that 
> can be found in the screen ...
> what makes this tool more?
> is this not more of the same?
> I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the selector 
> elements.
> We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that informs 
> us of what is on the screen.
> anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically?
> thanks.
> cheers.
> Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu:
>> Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now we 
>> wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than 
>> learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;)
>> 
>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>> I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
>> E-mail-
>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>> I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader mode 
>>> in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I can't wait 
>>> to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do they have to make 
>>> OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever happened to simplicity there? 
>>> LOL.
>>> On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list.
 
 http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/
  
 
 An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features
 
 
 Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on iOS 8 
 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, and iCloud 
 Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating system that 
 drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) products, so it's 
 natural that the limelight be shone on the new features for the mass 
 market.
 
 As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple includes 
 in iOS are nonetheless just as important and innovative as the A-list 
 features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at Moscone. Indeed, Apple is 
 to be lauded for their year-over-year commitment to improving iOS's 
 Accessibility feature set, and they continue that trend with iOS 8.
 
 Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain briefly 
 how each feature works.
 
 
 Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the Mac, to 
 iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio technologies (Siri 
 excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and another new 
 Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In essence, Alex 
 is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice that controls VoiceOver, 
 et al, in iOS today.
 
 Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt the 
 aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including queries asked of 
 Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually impaired users who may 
 have issues reading what is on their iPhone and/or iPad. It should be 
 noted that Speak Screen is fundamentally different from Speak Selection, 
 which only reads aloud selected text. By contrast, Speak Screen will read 
 aloud everything on the screen -- text, button labels, etc.
 
 Zoom. Apple has made some welcome tweaks to its Zoom functionality in iOS 
 8. The hallmark feature is users now have the ability to specify which 
 part of the screen is zoomed in, as well as adjust the level of the zoom. 
 In particular, it's now possible to have the virtual keyboard on screen at 
 normal size underneath a zoomed-in window. What this does is makes it easy 
 

Re: Silly Question: Flash

[Jason White]

Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The problem is with Adobe, they have said in the past that they don't think
> there are enough blind mac users to make it accessible. Also, flash is
> slowly giving way to html 5, any web site that still insists on using flash
> is lagging behind the times.

Indeed it is. Relying on a technology that excludes a substantial segment of
your potential audience (namely Apple iOS users) is an unattractive
proposition. Hence Apple's decision not to support Flash under iOS will hasten
the move to HTML 5 video.

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Some trouble updating this time

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys 
For those of you who haven't done it yet, I had a problem this time I didn't 
have last time when doing the update. Just like last time, I had to turn 
VoiceOver off and back on when the Setup assistant came on. However, this time 
when I went to the ticking progress with VO right arrow, VoiceOver quit talking 
and made this weird sound every now and then. I kept having trouble with this 
so when the ticking stopped, I waited some and then restarted my computer again 
by holding down the power key because VoiceOver wouldn't talk. The update 
worked, and it's talking fine so far. 

Guys, any of us can put whatever we want on our wish list, but you know, for 
one who had an Echo II on her computer for quite a while, I could care less 
what voice talks as long as I can understand it. When I had my Echo II, I was 
very glad my computer talked at all, and I was even more glad when I got a 
tape-based VersaBraille to put on it. Just my two cents. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

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I think Finder is fixed

[Eugenia Firth]

Hey, I think I got one of my chief wishes. I think finder is fixed, y'all. When 
I just now pressed command shift o I didn't get that weird stuff I have been 
getting for a while. I was in column view, too. I had figured out a work 
around, but it got annoying when I had to go back to my desktop and start over 
sometimes. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

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Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories

[Christopher Hallsworth]

If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other 
languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the 
case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for 
VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those 
with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a 
beta tester but can still only speculate.


Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote:



hi.
alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the
languages ​​that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer
expressive voices?
yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages
and not only for English USA.
on the mac, alex only supports English / USA.
who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac?

now speak about speak screen.
Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do
specifically on the screen?
because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements.
with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements
that can be found in the screen ...
what makes this tool more?
is this not more of the same?
I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the
selector elements.
We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that
informs us of what is on the screen.
anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically?
thanks.
cheers.
Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu:

Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And
now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder
than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;)

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
gone.to.da...@gmail.com

On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader
mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I
can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do
they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever
happened to simplicity there? LOL.
On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons
 wrote:


Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list.

http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/


An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features


Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on
iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions,
and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating
system that drives Apple's most important (and most profitable)
products, so it's natural that the limelight be shone on the new
features for the mass market.

As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple
includes in iOS are nonetheless just as important and innovative as
the A-list features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at Moscone.
Indeed, Apple is to be lauded for their year-over-year commitment to
improving iOS's Accessibility feature set, and they continue that
trend with iOS 8.

Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain
briefly how each feature works.


Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the Mac,
to iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio technologies
(Siri excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and another
new Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In
essence, Alex is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice that
controls VoiceOver, et al, in iOS today.

Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt the
aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including queries
asked of Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually impaired
users who may have issues reading what is on their iPhone and/or
iPad. It should be noted that Speak Screen is fundamentally
different from Speak Selection, which only reads aloud selected
text. By contrast, Speak Screen will read aloud everything on the
screen -- text, button labels, etc.

Zoom. Apple has made some welcome tweaks to its Zoom functionality
in iOS 8. The hallmark feature is users now have the ability to
specify which part of the screen is zoomed in, as well as adjust the
level of the zoom. In particular, it's now possible to have the
virtual keyboard on screen at normal size underneath a zoomed-in
window. What this does is makes it easy to both type and see what
you're typing without having to battle the entirety of the user
interface being zoomed in.

Grayscale. iOS in and of itself doesn't have "themes" like so many
third-party apps support -- and even like OS X Yosemite's new "dark
mode". iOS does, however, support a pseudo-theme by way of Invert
Colors (white-on-black). In iOS 8, Apple is adding a second
pseudo-theme to the system with Gray

Downloading public previews

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Hi all
I am in the Mac Developer Program. I've been receiving seed 
notifications by email. I ignored them thinking I could get the public 
previews from the Mac Dev Centre. Big mistake it looks like as could not 
even find the public preview. I was aware of 10.9.4 and wanted to test 
it but could not figure out how to download so left it until we got the 
update last night. What should I do in future? Any help greatly 
appreciated. Thanks!

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