Re: Facebook is getting on my nerves.

2014-04-17 Thread David Taylor
Even Menutab isn't ideal with the way they are changing the site. FB has become 
more and more difficult to use, and the way they re-arranged the newsfeed made 
it all 10 times worse. I'm getting to the point where I might consider one of 
the specialist Windows clients in my VM. An app would be great, I agree.

Cheers
Dave

On 17 Apr 2014, at 03:12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> You could try MenuTab, but basically, it just displays either the mobile site 
> or the desktop site as they are. It's a little faster to get started, i.e. 
> you don't have to open Safari, but this is the only real advantage I notice.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
> 
>> Hello. Thanks for the help. 
>> I will give it a try. 
>> I wish there was an accessible standalone Facebook client to solve all those 
>> problems. 
>> 
>> Regards.
>> Nektarios.
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 3:53 AM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I've often run into this problem as well. Sometimes, if you click "more 
>>> options" then move to the bottom of the page, the share button is there for 
>>> the post for which you clicked more options. But sometimes it isn't. Good 
>>> luck.
>>> If you have an iPhone, the Facebook app is generally a better bet for most 
>>> things. 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys.
 I know this topic comes up often, but I am so frustrated that I can't help 
 it but post here. 
 The regular Facebook site looses focus all the time and sends my browser 
 to random places such as the beginning of the Facebook page or other 
 unrelated post. 
 So, I would like to use the mobile site. Despite the fact that the 
 headings are not correctly set there, I have a more serious problem. The 
 "share" button does not appear on many posts on my feed. I know that the 
 function for the specific  posts is available on the regular site. 
 Any help or other tips is very much appreciated.
 
 Nektarios. 
 
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Re: Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-17 Thread David Taylor
TeamTalk for Mac is mainly usable, but hardly accessible. You really have to 
know what you are doing, but most things can be done. Many of these things are 
extremely fiddly and slow to do due to the lack of accessibility, but if you 
know your way round a server, a lot can be done. If you are an admin, or can't 
be bothered with a lot of fiddling, then you need the Windows TeamTalk to be 
honest. I've had many hours of fun with the Mac one though.

On 17 Apr 2014, at 07:20, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> There is a Teamtalk for Mac Os X but have no idea of its accessibility.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
> 
> On 16/04/2014 22:30, Kerri wrote:
>> You still might if you want certain games and team talk not to mention human 
>> ware companion for running older victor reader streams.
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Re: Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-17 Thread Piotr Machacz
It's clunky, and got slightly worse with the 4.6 update which breaks keyboard 
tracking. But the good news is that soon there will be a completely new client, 
called TeamTalk VI that a friend of mine is working on. We got permission from 
the developer to write it and it will be using his SDK license and will be 
available on the official bear ware site. Apart from the interface using native 
controls, it will have more speech events, a few more chat commands to EG. 
switch audio devices, and it might even be scriptable so you will be able to 
write lua scripts that you can run. It will come out on Windows as well. Work 
is progressing nicely, for now the basic interface is done and the SDK has been 
completely wrapped, so work on the actual program is starting. You can view the 
source here:
https://github.com/Flameborn/TeamTalkVI


On 17 Apr 2014, at 09:49 am, David Taylor  wrote:

> TeamTalk for Mac is mainly usable, but hardly accessible. You really have to 
> know what you are doing, but most things can be done. Many of these things 
> are extremely fiddly and slow to do due to the lack of accessibility, but if 
> you know your way round a server, a lot can be done. If you are an admin, or 
> can't be bothered with a lot of fiddling, then you need the Windows TeamTalk 
> to be honest. I've had many hours of fun with the Mac one though.
> 
> On 17 Apr 2014, at 07:20, Chris Apple boy  wrote:
> 
>> There is a Teamtalk for Mac Os X but have no idea of its accessibility.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>> On 16/04/2014 22:30, Kerri wrote:
>>> You still might if you want certain games and team talk not to mention 
>>> human ware companion for running older victor reader streams.
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Re: Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-17 Thread Blake Sinnett

Hi,

This is fantastic! Will it include the video functionality? There's also an 
Android client, but it's very alpha right now. I'm hoping for all mobile 
platforms to be supported at some point.


Blake


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It's clunky, and got slightly worse with the 4.6 update which breaks 
keyboard tracking. But the good news is that soon there will be a 
completely new client, called TeamTalk VI that a friend of mine is working 
on. We got permission from the developer to write it and it will be using 
his SDK license and will be available on the official bear ware site. 
Apart from the interface using native controls, it will have more speech 
events, a few more chat commands to EG. switch audio devices, and it might 
even be scriptable so you will be able to write lua scripts that you can 
run. It will come out on Windows as well. Work is progressing nicely, for 
now the basic interface is done and the SDK has been completely wrapped, 
so work on the actual program is starting. You can view the source here:

https://github.com/Flameborn/TeamTalkVI


On 17 Apr 2014, at 09:49 am, David Taylor  
wrote:


TeamTalk for Mac is mainly usable, but hardly accessible. You really have 
to know what you are doing, but most things can be done. Many of these 
things are extremely fiddly and slow to do due to the lack of 
accessibility, but if you know your way round a server, a lot can be 
done. If you are an admin, or can't be bothered with a lot of fiddling, 
then you need the Windows TeamTalk to be honest. I've had many hours of 
fun with the Mac one though.


On 17 Apr 2014, at 07:20, Chris Apple boy  
wrote:



There is a Teamtalk for Mac Os X but have no idea of its accessibility.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/04/2014 22:30, Kerri wrote:
You still might if you want certain games and team talk not to mention 
human ware companion for running older victor reader streams.


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Re: Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-17 Thread Piotr Machacz
Not at first, voice will be a bit bigger priority, but it's not out of the 
question. Once the most important things work, we can see about video.

On 17 Apr 2014, at 12:06 pm, Blake Sinnett  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This is fantastic! Will it include the video functionality? There's also an 
> Android client, but it's very alpha right now. I'm hoping for all mobile 
> platforms to be supported at some point.
> 
> Blake
> 
> 
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> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:05 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for 
> Mac
> 
>> It's clunky, and got slightly worse with the 4.6 update which breaks 
>> keyboard tracking. But the good news is that soon there will be a completely 
>> new client, called TeamTalk VI that a friend of mine is working on. We got 
>> permission from the developer to write it and it will be using his SDK 
>> license and will be available on the official bear ware site. Apart from the 
>> interface using native controls, it will have more speech events, a few more 
>> chat commands to EG. switch audio devices, and it might even be scriptable 
>> so you will be able to write lua scripts that you can run. It will come out 
>> on Windows as well. Work is progressing nicely, for now the basic interface 
>> is done and the SDK has been completely wrapped, so work on the actual 
>> program is starting. You can view the source here:
>> https://github.com/Flameborn/TeamTalkVI
>> 
>> 
>> On 17 Apr 2014, at 09:49 am, David Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>>> TeamTalk for Mac is mainly usable, but hardly accessible. You really have 
>>> to know what you are doing, but most things can be done. Many of these 
>>> things are extremely fiddly and slow to do due to the lack of 
>>> accessibility, but if you know your way round a server, a lot can be done. 
>>> If you are an admin, or can't be bothered with a lot of fiddling, then you 
>>> need the Windows TeamTalk to be honest. I've had many hours of fun with the 
>>> Mac one though.
>>> 
>>> On 17 Apr 2014, at 07:20, Chris Apple boy  wrote:
>>> 
 There is a Teamtalk for Mac Os X but have no idea of its accessibility.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
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> human ware companion for running older victor reader streams.
 
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Re: Tips on Abbyy Fine Reader?

2014-04-17 Thread Terje Strømberg
Html is good for receipts for example. You need to go to finder and find the 
receipt you saved and open the html receipt from finder. Then you can usally 
move like in a table up-down and left-right. This is through for most receipts, 
but not all. Something with the paper and print maybe.

Take care 


16. apr. 2014 kl. 17:53 skrev Jenine Stanley :

Thanks. I wondered about this the first couple times I did it and you described 
it very well here. 

Another question: has anyone used the html option for a quick look at 
something? If so, how did that go? I'm all for testing it.
Jenine Stanley
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On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> The only oddity I have noticed using FR Pro is that, when I press the button 
> to scan to whatever document format I choose, and the scanning dialog 
> appears, my scanner (epson perfection V33) does a once-over of the document. 
> That is, it immediately scans over the page and then stops. I then have to 
> press the "scan" button, do my scanning either one or multi-page, and then 
> press the finish button. 
> At first I got a little confused by the initial once-over scan, thinking it 
> was the scan, but in fact, its just an initial pass that sets up the scan I 
> think.
> 
> This is getting to be a ramble, but the point is, the first pass of the 
> scanner doesn't actually scan, you have to then press the scan button to 
> start the scan process. 
> The two scan passes are different in their speed and sound as well, the 
> once-over is fast, and the actual scan passes are a bit slower.
> 
> Hope that didn't muddy the waters too much.
> 
> FR Pro works great and this is just an oddity I noticed when I first used it.
>  
> On Apr 15, 2014, at 11:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I downloaded a 30-day trial of Fine Reader after the recent comments, and 
>> because Prizmo is simply not very efficient. They do a good job, and the app 
>> is half the price of Abbyy, but their iOS app is much smoother. So, before I 
>> activate this trial, are there tips I should know? I'd rather not spend time 
>> figuring things out and fighting with the program, when I will have a 
>> limited time to see how I like it. Thanks.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

2014-04-17 Thread Devin Prater
In my experience, it can't work well with italics or any other kind of 
formatting. It only works with plain text files. 

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> On Apr 16, 2014, at 18:49, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/28601/louis
> 
> Teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
>> Where do you get Louis?
>> jg
>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.
>>> 
>>> NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled and 
>>> installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are instructions in 
>>> the readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of command-line. So as for 
>>> my own situation, I'll probably stick with Louis, as this build of NFBTrans 
>>> has DOS and unix files all mixed together and needs more tweaking than I 
>>> know how to do.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>>
>>> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
>>> 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text or 
 text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. I know 
 that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be helpful for 
 other things (including helping the NLS get more braille books).
 
 -eric
 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
> 
> Hi.
> You may want to look at
> http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
> It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
> braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
> do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
> or quality of the program on the platform.
> Aman
 
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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

2014-04-17 Thread Teresa Cochran
If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes sense, 
since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little more 
problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 4-6 in 
computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.

Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a braille 
reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other formats 
than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping brf files in 
their format and using a Braille display to type in them, rather than 
back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a braille display.

Teresa

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On Apr 17, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> In my experience, it can't work well with italics or any other kind of 
> formatting. It only works with plain text files. 
> 
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>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 18:49, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/28601/louis
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>>> Where do you get Louis?
>>> jg
>>> 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
 
 Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.
 
 NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled and 
 installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are instructions in 
 the readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of command-line. So as for 
 my own situation, I'll probably stick with Louis, as this build of 
 NFBTrans has DOS and unix files all mixed together and needs more tweaking 
 than I know how to do.
 
 Teresa
 
 "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text 
> or text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. I 
> know that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be helpful 
> for other things (including helping the NLS get more braille books).
> 
> -eric
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
>> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
>> 
>> Hi.
>> You may want to look at
>> http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
>> It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
>> braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
>> do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
>> or quality of the program on the platform.
>> Aman
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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

2014-04-17 Thread Devin Prater
Ah, thanks. So how would I convert a pages file to HTML? I didn't think Pages 
could export to HTML. 

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> On Apr 17, 2014, at 8:12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
> If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes 
> sense, since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little more 
> problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 4-6 in 
> computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.
> 
> Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
> translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
> sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a 
> braille reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other 
> formats than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping brf 
> files in their format and using a Braille display to type in them, rather 
> than back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a braille 
> display.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> Teresa Cochran
> batsfly...@me.com
> Facebook
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> In my experience, it can't work well with italics or any other kind of 
>> formatting. It only works with plain text files. 
>> 
>> Devin Prater
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>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 18:49, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/28601/louis
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>> 
 Where do you get Louis?
 jg
 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.
> 
> NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled and 
> installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are instructions 
> in the readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of command-line. So as 
> for my own situation, I'll probably stick with Louis, as this build of 
> NFBTrans has DOS and unix files all mixed together and needs more 
> tweaking than I know how to do.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text 
>> or text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. I 
>> know that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be helpful 
>> for other things (including helping the NLS get more braille books).
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
>>> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> You may want to look at
>>> http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
>>> It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
>>> braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
>>> do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
>>> or quality of the program on the platform.
>>> Aman
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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

2014-04-17 Thread Caitlyn and Maggie
I agree with this!
I looked at nfb trans yesterday and was totally overwhelmed by what you'd have 
to do to get it running!
Thanks for the Louis link!
Cait

On Apr 16, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.
> 
> NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled and 
> installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are instructions in 
> the readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of command-line. So as for my 
> own situation, I'll probably stick with Louis, as this build of NFBTrans has 
> DOS and unix files all mixed together and needs more tweaking than I know how 
> to do.
> 
> Teresa
>   
> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
>> can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text or 
>> text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. I know 
>> that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be helpful for other 
>> things (including helping the NLS get more braille books).
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
>>> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> You may want to look at
>>> http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
>>> It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
>>> braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
>>> do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
>>> or quality of the program on the platform.
>>> Aman
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Re: Viewing Recognized Text in Fine Reader?

2014-04-17 Thread Phil Halton
I use a compatible scanner, there are lots of them, and after scanning, FR Pro 
recognizes the scanned pages and then opens a save dialog. I save the pages 
using the default file name "untitled", and then the document opens in textedit 
where I can read the doc. I have the format set to RTF and that triggers 
Textedit as the default app. I suppose if i set the format to .docx, it would 
open in pages. 

There is no viewing facility in FR Pro, but quickly saving it in a throw-away 
file will open it in an app were you can view/edit the file.
 
On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Thanks. I was really hoping that I could just look at the text, not save it. 
> As I said, I usually don't need to keep a copy, I just want to see what it 
> says.
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> I'm not sure you can view text of a document you have just scanned in 
>> FineReader.
>> 
>> The way I use this app is as follows:
>> 
>> I either add new pages via the add new pages dialogue - there's a button 
>> there, or better still, I vo+shift+m on the name of the scanned file and 
>> choose open with FineReader.  I guess I do this because I use Vuescan to 
>> scan my documents first and use FineReader for recognition only as my 
>> scanner is not compatible with FineReader.
>> 2. After FineReader has recognised the document, in the toolbar I find the 
>> button export all pages. A dialogue appears which gives me a choice of the 
>> various file extensions I can choose from. Remember that the last extension 
>> used will already be highlighted.
>> 3. If I want .rtf, for example, I vo + arrow keys to it, and then route my 
>> mouse cursor to vo and perform a click with vo+shift+spacebar to choose the 
>> extension.
>> 4. I jump to the very right of the screen where you will find "next" button. 
>> This will now actually create a file for you which you will be able to read. 
>> Press this button
>> 5. A dialogue will open up with untitled file and extension. Call it what 
>> you wish, and save it where you want.
>> 6. After you press the save button, the file will open in the appropriate 
>> application for the file extension you have chosen.
>> 
>> I don't know of any other way of reading what you have scanned, not in 
>> FineReader itself.
>> 
>> Caution: if you want to scan another document without simply appending it to 
>> the one you've previously scanned, you need to choose a new task by pressing 
>> new task button in the toolbar - I think there's a shortcut key under "file' 
>> menu.  Otherwise, your new scan will be attached to the end of the previous 
>> one.  I've learnt by mistakes about this.
>> 
>> I'm sure there's much more about FineReader that others know more about  
>> Hope somebody will comment if I'm wrong in what I've said.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Andrew .
>> On 16 Apr 2014, at 15:44, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just scanned an envelope. Unsure how to simply view a window with text in 
>>> it, I selected the Word file option. I'm now in a window with a bunch of 
>>> formatting options, two empty scroll areas, and no recognized text 
>>> anywhere. How do I simply see what is on the envelope I scanned? I don't 
>>> usually need to save text, just scan it to see what it is. Is there a way 
>>> to basically OCR a scan and view the results? Thanks.
>>> 
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>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: slightly ot: icloud based audio discription indiegogo project.

2014-04-17 Thread Caitlyn and Maggie
thanks!
I hope this gets off the ground!
I'd shell out for it myself.
Cait

On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> Sharing in case this has not been posted here.
> What I love about this company besides the strong effort making the platform 
> work is their ethical commitment.   Unlike the "no one cares about blind 
> people so we will steal content," approach.  This is a real company who is 
> providing a variety of the many many describes titles, and doing it on a 
> global platform.  If you cannot contribute to the Indiegogo campaign,  I hope 
> you will share this far and wide.
> 
> 
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zagga-entertainment-ltd/x/6442652#home
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Kare
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looking for accessible trivia and word games for mac

2014-04-17 Thread Jessica
Hi,
I am interested in and looking for accessible word and trivia games for mac. 
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. I prefer that they be free.

Jessica
jldai...@gmail.com

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Pages improvement

2014-04-17 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello everyone,

The latest update to Pages brought a big improvement. There is no longer any 
need to interact with the Paragraph styles button to hear the name of the 
style. This means that we can now set a hotspot on that button and consult it 
from within the document. Also, we can find the short cut for a given style by 
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Re: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

2014-04-17 Thread Teresa Cochran
I haven't actually done that conversion before. Sometimes I convert documents 
by simply pasting text in, but then you lose all your formatting. With things 
like epub or mobi, Calibre command-line can be used.

Teresa

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> Ah, thanks. So how would I convert a pages file to HTML? I didn't think Pages 
> could export to HTML. 
> 
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>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 8:12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>> If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes 
>> sense, since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little 
>> more problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 4-6 
>> in computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.
>> 
>> Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
>> translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
>> sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a 
>> braille reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other 
>> formats than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping brf 
>> files in their format and using a Braille display to type in them, rather 
>> than back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a braille 
>> display.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> Teresa Cochran
>> batsfly...@me.com
>> Facebook
>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In my experience, it can't work well with italics or any other kind of 
>>> formatting. It only works with plain text files. 
>>> 
>>> Devin Prater
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>>> 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 18:49, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
 
 https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/28601/louis
 
 Teresa
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
 
> Where do you get Louis?
> jg
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it can. Louis can also be used to do this.
>> 
>> NFBTrans is a command-line application. This build has to be compiled 
>> and installed, and I still have to learn to do this. There are 
>> instructions in the readMe file, but they assume some knowledge of 
>> command-line. So as for my own situation, I'll probably stick with 
>> Louis, as this build of NFBTrans has DOS and unix files all mixed 
>> together and needs more tweaking than I know how to do.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> can that translator work the other way? I would like to take plain text 
>>> or text PDF files and convert them for reading on my Braille Sense U2. 
>>> I know that the U2 can read text files directly, but it would be 
>>> helpful for other things (including helping the NLS get more braille 
>>> books).
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:17 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 
 Date: Apr 15 06:40PM -0400
 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/520b3a19132af757
 
 Hi.
 You may want to look at
 http://www.softcon.com/mac/unix/Index.html
 It has a copy of NFBTrans seemingly compiled for OSX. NFBTrans is a
 braille translator, allowing BRF files to be translated into text. I
 do use this program, but not on the Mac, so am unsure of the ability
 or quality of the program on the platform.
 Aman
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Re: Pages improvement

2014-04-17 Thread isaac
How do you set up hotspots?
On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> The latest update to Pages brought a big improvement. There is no longer any 
> need to interact with the Paragraph styles button to hear the name of the 
> style. This means that we can now set a hotspot on that button and consult it 
> from within the document. Also, we can find the short cut for a given style 
> by interacting with the styles table and the short cut is shown beside the 
> name.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
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Re: Viewing Recognized Text in Fine Reader?

2014-04-17 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hello,

I have been following this thread out of interest regarding Fine Reader Pro. I 
have not yet purchased it, but I believe from all of the current posts and 
other discussions in the past that this app for the Mac is the most friendly 
user with voiceover. Would like to suggest a solution for wanting to quickly 
scan an envelope, which I do and then use another scan and read on the PC side 
to OCR an item that needs more attention. I use my iPhone and Text Detector app 
to sort my mail. The other app on the iPhone would be Prizmo that doesn't save 
the image if you rescan immediately. If the mail needs more attention, I use 
the scan and read OCR on my PC, but you could interchange it by using your 
scanner and Fine Reader Pro on the Mac side. JMO and an alternative. HTH.

Cheers,
Eileen 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I use a compatible scanner, there are lots of them, and after scanning, FR 
> Pro recognizes the scanned pages and then opens a save dialog. I save the 
> pages using the default file name “untitled”, and then the document opens in 
> textedit where I can read the doc. I have the format set to RTF and that 
> triggers Textedit as the default app. I suppose if i set the format to .docx, 
> it would open in pages. 
> 
> There is no viewing facility in FR Pro, but quickly saving it in a throw-away 
> file will open it in an app were you can view/edit the file.
>  
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks. I was really hoping that I could just look at the text, not save it. 
>> As I said, I usually don't need to keep a copy, I just want to see what it 
>> says.
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure you can view text of a document you have just scanned in 
>>> FineReader.
>>> 
>>> The way I use this app is as follows:
>>> 
>>> I either add new pages via the add new pages dialogue - there’s a button 
>>> there, or better still, I vo+shift+m on the name of the scanned file and 
>>> choose open with FineReader.  I guess I do this because I use Vuescan to 
>>> scan my documents first and use FineReader for recognition only as my 
>>> scanner is not compatible with FineReader.
>>> 2. After FineReader has recognised the document, in the toolbar I find the 
>>> button export all pages. A dialogue appears which gives me a choice of the 
>>> various file extensions I can choose from. Remember that the last extension 
>>> used will already be highlighted.
>>> 3. If I want .rtf, for example, I vo + arrow keys to it, and then route my 
>>> mouse cursor to vo and perform a click with vo+shift+spacebar to choose the 
>>> extension.
>>> 4. I jump to the very right of the screen where you will find “next” 
>>> button. This will now actually create a file for you which you will be able 
>>> to read. Press this button
>>> 5. A dialogue will open up with untitled file and extension. Call it what 
>>> you wish, and save it where you want.
>>> 6. After you press the save button, the file will open in the appropriate 
>>> application for the file extension you have chosen.
>>> 
>>> I don’t know of any other way of reading what you have scanned, not in 
>>> FineReader itself.
>>> 
>>> Caution: if you want to scan another document without simply appending it 
>>> to the one you’ve previously scanned, you need to choose a new task by 
>>> pressing new task button in the toolbar - I think there’s a shortcut key 
>>> under “file’ menu.  Otherwise, your new scan will be attached to the end of 
>>> the previous one.  I’ve learnt by mistakes about this.
>>> 
>>> I’m sure there’s much more about FineReader that others know more about  
>>> Hope somebody will comment if I’m wrong in what I’ve said.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Andrew .
 On 16 Apr 2014, at 15:44, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I just scanned an envelope. Unsure how to simply view a window with text 
 in it, I selected the Word file option. I'm now in a window with a bunch 
 of formatting options, two empty scroll areas, and no recognized text 
 anywhere. How do I simply see what is on the envelope I scanned? I don't 
 usually need to save text, just scan it to see what it is. Is there a way 
 to basically OCR a scan and view the results? Thanks.
 
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Re: Pages improvement

2014-04-17 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Isaac,

To set a hotspot, go to the place you want to put the hotspot and press 
VO-Shift-plus a number from 0 to 9. To jump to the hotspot, press VO-number. To 
consult the hotspot, press VO-Cmd-number.

So, in Pages, if you set a hotspot with the number 1, you can press VO-Cmd-1 
anywhere within your text and hear the name of the paragraph style currently 
active.

You can also jump straight to the Paragraph styles button by pressing VO-1 in 
this case.

Cheers,

Anne


On 17 Apr 2014, at 16:37, isaac  wrote:

> How do you set up hotspots?
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> The latest update to Pages brought a big improvement. There is no longer any 
>> need to interact with the Paragraph styles button to hear the name of the 
>> style. This means that we can now set a hotspot on that button and consult 
>> it from within the document. Also, we can find the short cut for a given 
>> style by interacting with the styles table and the short cut is shown beside 
>> the name.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
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Re: Calendar in Mavericks-creating an event that will recur once a month?

2014-04-17 Thread Daniel Hawkins
I too have the same question. I tried setting to the second saturday every 
month. It ended up on doing the same date number, not the second Saturday.

Also, on the Mac how do you delete dates? cmd delete did nothing and I can't 
find anything under the menubar.

Thanks!
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Jessica  wrote:

> How would I indicate that I want the event on the first Tuesday of every 
> month?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When in Calendar, press cmd-n to create the new event.  Enter your event 
>> criteria like "Pay Water Bill on May 2", then press return.  Navigate right 
>> past the scroll area then press VO-space on the date/time link.  This will 
>> open a more detailed area which includes a pop-up menu for the repeat 
>> frequency.  You can Stop Interacting with this area to manipulate the rest 
>> of the event.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Jessica  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> How do I create an event that will occur once a month on a given date? 
>>> Also, How do I move an event to another day?
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Jessica
>>> jldai...@gmail.com
>>> 
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Re: Status Menus Are Gone

2014-04-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Don't rush to the reformat, that is a drastic and usually unnecessary task.  
Try to do a repair permissions first.  To do so...

* Go to the Finder.
* Press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
* Navigate to the Disk Utility app and open it.
* From the table of disks, select your Macintosh HD.
* Stop Interacting with the table and select the First Aid tab.
* Navigate to the Repair Disk Permissions button and press it with VO-space.
* Wait patiently as it does its task.

Sometimes this needs performed more than once to fix most permission errors.  
In some cases, you'll need to perform this from the Recovery Partition, but 
I'll wait to see if this does the job first.  By the way, what exactly happens 
when you press the VO-m-m command?  Is there an alert sound or simply takes you 
somewhere but no Menu Extras are available.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Jane  wrote:

> Yep, I have tried with both. It doesn't work I bet I am going to have to 
> reformat and re-install once I have stuff backed up, *sigh*
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:13 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>>  Are you using VO-m twice or control-F8 to get to the status menus?  This is 
>> not typical behavior.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
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>> Lion
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Jane  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there.
>>> I tried both cycling VO off and on and a re-start of this computer. It 
>>> didn't make a difference. Any other thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I would just suggest either cycling VO off then on or restarting your Mac. 
  This is not normal behaviour so, something has become confused.  The 
 cycling off/on of VO may do the trick but the restart is best and if that 
 doesn't fix it, then post again.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Robert C  wrote:
 
> Funny this comes up today for I just ran into the same issue except I 
> could not bring up the menu bar and control f3 did not work. Had to 
> restart the Mac.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> "Be lions roaring through the forests of knowledge."
> --Bahá'í Scriptures
> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
> E-mail-
> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
> 
> On 4/16/2014 11:18 AM, Jane wrote:
>> I can't seem to get to my Status menu things at all. VO-m twice doesn't 
>> work. None of the trackpad commands seem to work. I guess it is there, 
>> somewhere, but I can't access it. Do any of you have ideas?
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
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Keynote Aglore!

2014-04-17 Thread Daniel Hawkins
Hello everyone!

Ok, I have been trying to learn how to make my own keynote slides. So far I am 
getting the hang of it somewhat. But one of the biggest problem my friends told 
me that the Body area is very very small print. I know how to make larger print 
by cmd+, but they explained to me the square where the print is in is very 
small.

What I want to do is have a title and in the middle of the slide to have some 
lists. I was wondering how do you make it bigger?

Thanks!
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Re: Status Menus Are Gone

2014-04-17 Thread Jane
It just says Apple menu and then puts me back wherever I was before. I always 
try from the desktop.

Jane




On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Don't rush to the reformat, that is a drastic and usually unnecessary task.  
> Try to do a repair permissions first.  To do so...
> 
> * Go to the Finder.
> * Press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
> * Navigate to the Disk Utility app and open it.
> * From the table of disks, select your Macintosh HD.
> * Stop Interacting with the table and select the First Aid tab.
> * Navigate to the Repair Disk Permissions button and press it with VO-space.
> * Wait patiently as it does its task.
> 
> Sometimes this needs performed more than once to fix most permission errors.  
> In some cases, you'll need to perform this from the Recovery Partition, but 
> I'll wait to see if this does the job first.  By the way, what exactly 
> happens when you press the VO-m-m command?  Is there an alert sound or simply 
> takes you somewhere but no Menu Extras are available.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> Yep, I have tried with both. It doesn't work I bet I am going to have to 
>> reformat and re-install once I have stuff backed up, *sigh*
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:13 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>>  Are you using VO-m twice or control-F8 to get to the status menus?  This 
>>> is not typical behavior.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
>>> Mountain Lion
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Jane  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there.
 I tried both cycling VO off and on and a re-start of this computer. It 
 didn't make a difference. Any other thoughts?
 
 Jane
 
 
 
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I would just suggest either cycling VO off then on or restarting your 
> Mac.  This is not normal behaviour so, something has become confused.  
> The cycling off/on of VO may do the trick but the restart is best and if 
> that doesn't fix it, then post again.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Robert C  wrote:
> 
>> Funny this comes up today for I just ran into the same issue except I 
>> could not bring up the menu bar and control f3 did not work. Had to 
>> restart the Mac.
>> 
>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>> "Be lions roaring through the forests of knowledge."
>> --Bahá'í Scriptures
>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
>> E-mail-
>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On 4/16/2014 11:18 AM, Jane wrote:
>>> I can't seem to get to my Status menu things at all. VO-m twice doesn't 
>>> work. None of the trackpad commands seem to work. I guess it is there, 
>>> somewhere, but I can't access it. Do any of you have ideas?
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
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Re: Viewing Recognized Text in Fine Reader?

2014-04-17 Thread Alex Hall
I have those iOS apps, but they are rather finicky and slow when all I want to 
know is what an envelope or sheet of paper says. I suppose a scanning stand 
would help, but if I already have a scanner and Mac, it seems an unnecessary 
expense.

Having the file open automatically is helpful. Plus, so long as you name the 
file the same thing each time, I guess it will keep overwriting the last one so 
you don't end up with hundreds of files with random text in them. How do you 
set this to RTF though? Or is it right in the Save dialog if you choose to 
export to Word?
On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I use a compatible scanner, there are lots of them, and after scanning, FR 
> Pro recognizes the scanned pages and then opens a save dialog. I save the 
> pages using the default file name "untitled", and then the document opens in 
> textedit where I can read the doc. I have the format set to RTF and that 
> triggers Textedit as the default app. I suppose if i set the format to .docx, 
> it would open in pages. 
> 
> There is no viewing facility in FR Pro, but quickly saving it in a throw-away 
> file will open it in an app were you can view/edit the file.
>  
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks. I was really hoping that I could just look at the text, not save it. 
>> As I said, I usually don't need to keep a copy, I just want to see what it 
>> says.
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure you can view text of a document you have just scanned in 
>>> FineReader.
>>> 
>>> The way I use this app is as follows:
>>> 
>>> I either add new pages via the add new pages dialogue - there's a button 
>>> there, or better still, I vo+shift+m on the name of the scanned file and 
>>> choose open with FineReader.  I guess I do this because I use Vuescan to 
>>> scan my documents first and use FineReader for recognition only as my 
>>> scanner is not compatible with FineReader.
>>> 2. After FineReader has recognised the document, in the toolbar I find the 
>>> button export all pages. A dialogue appears which gives me a choice of the 
>>> various file extensions I can choose from. Remember that the last extension 
>>> used will already be highlighted.
>>> 3. If I want .rtf, for example, I vo + arrow keys to it, and then route my 
>>> mouse cursor to vo and perform a click with vo+shift+spacebar to choose the 
>>> extension.
>>> 4. I jump to the very right of the screen where you will find "next" 
>>> button. This will now actually create a file for you which you will be able 
>>> to read. Press this button
>>> 5. A dialogue will open up with untitled file and extension. Call it what 
>>> you wish, and save it where you want.
>>> 6. After you press the save button, the file will open in the appropriate 
>>> application for the file extension you have chosen.
>>> 
>>> I don't know of any other way of reading what you have scanned, not in 
>>> FineReader itself.
>>> 
>>> Caution: if you want to scan another document without simply appending it 
>>> to the one you've previously scanned, you need to choose a new task by 
>>> pressing new task button in the toolbar - I think there's a shortcut key 
>>> under "file' menu.  Otherwise, your new scan will be attached to the end of 
>>> the previous one.  I've learnt by mistakes about this.
>>> 
>>> I'm sure there's much more about FineReader that others know more about  
>>> Hope somebody will comment if I'm wrong in what I've said.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Andrew .
>>> On 16 Apr 2014, at 15:44, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 I just scanned an envelope. Unsure how to simply view a window with text 
 in it, I selected the Word file option. I'm now in a window with a bunch 
 of formatting options, two empty scroll areas, and no recognized text 
 anywhere. How do I simply see what is on the envelope I scanned? I don't 
 usually need to save text, just scan it to see what it is. Is there a way 
 to basically OCR a scan and view the results? Thanks.
 
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Re: Pages improvement

2014-04-17 Thread Jessica
When did pages get an update?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Isaac,
> 
> To set a hotspot, go to the place you want to put the hotspot and press 
> VO-Shift-plus a number from 0 to 9. To jump to the hotspot, press VO-number. 
> To consult the hotspot, press VO-Cmd-number.
> 
> So, in Pages, if you set a hotspot with the number 1, you can press VO-Cmd-1 
> anywhere within your text and hear the name of the paragraph style currently 
> active.
> 
> You can also jump straight to the Paragraph styles button by pressing VO-1 in 
> this case.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 17 Apr 2014, at 16:37, isaac  wrote:
>> 
>> How do you set up hotspots?
>>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> The latest update to Pages brought a big improvement. There is no longer 
>>> any need to interact with the Paragraph styles button to hear the name of 
>>> the style. This means that we can now set a hotspot on that button and 
>>> consult it from within the document. Also, we can find the short cut for a 
>>> given style by interacting with the styles table and the short cut is shown 
>>> beside the name.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
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Re: Calendar in Mavericks-creating an event that will recur once a month?

2014-04-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
hi,

You should be able to set events like that in within the Custom area of the 
Repeat options.  So, after activating the date/time link,

* choose Custom from the Repeat Every pop-up.
* Select Monthly.
* Select the "On The" radio button.
* Select the proper day, eg. Third and Tuesday.
* close the window.

Not sure why it wasn't working that way for Daniel.  Regarding the deleting of 
an event, when in Month view, you can navigate to the event then go up to the 
Edit menu and choose Delete.  I believe that in some other views, you are able 
to use the Delete key and/or some other commands.

Later...

* 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
wrote:

> I too have the same question. I tried setting to the second saturday every 
> month. It ended up on doing the same date number, not the second Saturday.
> 
> Also, on the Mac how do you delete dates? cmd delete did nothing and I can't 
> find anything under the menubar.
> 
> Thanks!
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Jessica  wrote:
> 
>> How would I indicate that I want the event on the first Tuesday of every 
>> month?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When in Calendar, press cmd-n to create the new event.  Enter your event 
>>> criteria like "Pay Water Bill on May 2", then press return.  Navigate right 
>>> past the scroll area then press VO-space on the date/time link.  This will 
>>> open a more detailed area which includes a pop-up menu for the repeat 
>>> frequency.  You can Stop Interacting with this area to manipulate the rest 
>>> of the event.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Jessica  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 How do I create an event that will occur once a month on a given date? 
 Also, How do I move an event to another day?
 Thanks,
 
 Jessica
 jldai...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: slightly ot: icloud based audio discription indiegogo project.

2014-04-17 Thread Christine Grassman
Definitely. Sign me up. 

On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
wrote:

> thanks!
> I hope this gets off the ground!
> I'd shell out for it myself.
> Cait
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
>> Sharing in case this has not been posted here.
>> What I love about this company besides the strong effort making the platform 
>> work is their ethical commitment.   Unlike the "no one cares about blind 
>> people so we will steal content," approach.  This is a real company who is 
>> providing a variety of the many many describes titles, and doing it on a 
>> global platform.  If you cannot contribute to the Indiegogo campaign,  I 
>> hope you will share this far and wide.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zagga-entertainment-ltd/x/6442652#home
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Kare
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Re: Viewing Recognized Text in Fine Reader?

2014-04-17 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi Alex.

The windows version of finereader has an option to view the text in word, 
internet explorer, notepad or simply sent to clipboard., I would recommend 
abbyy to implement this function in the mac version. How to write to abbyy is 
the question. They are making good products, but their costumerservice is in my 
opinion not the best, but maybe someone on the list has a better experience.

Best regards Annie.
Den 17/04/2014 kl. 18.09 skrev Alex Hall :

> I have those iOS apps, but they are rather finicky and slow when all I want 
> to know is what an envelope or sheet of paper says. I suppose a scanning 
> stand would help, but if I already have a scanner and Mac, it seems an 
> unnecessary expense.
> 
> Having the file open automatically is helpful. Plus, so long as you name the 
> file the same thing each time, I guess it will keep overwriting the last one 
> so you don't end up with hundreds of files with random text in them. How do 
> you set this to RTF though? Or is it right in the Save dialog if you choose 
> to export to Word?
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
>> I use a compatible scanner, there are lots of them, and after scanning, FR 
>> Pro recognizes the scanned pages and then opens a save dialog. I save the 
>> pages using the default file name "untitled", and then the document opens in 
>> textedit where I can read the doc. I have the format set to RTF and that 
>> triggers Textedit as the default app. I suppose if i set the format to 
>> .docx, it would open in pages. 
>> 
>> There is no viewing facility in FR Pro, but quickly saving it in a 
>> throw-away file will open it in an app were you can view/edit the file.
>>  
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks. I was really hoping that I could just look at the text, not save 
>>> it. As I said, I usually don't need to keep a copy, I just want to see what 
>>> it says.
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 I'm not sure you can view text of a document you have just scanned in 
 FineReader.
 
 The way I use this app is as follows:
 
 I either add new pages via the add new pages dialogue - there's a button 
 there, or better still, I vo+shift+m on the name of the scanned file and 
 choose open with FineReader.  I guess I do this because I use Vuescan to 
 scan my documents first and use FineReader for recognition only as my 
 scanner is not compatible with FineReader.
 2. After FineReader has recognised the document, in the toolbar I find the 
 button export all pages. A dialogue appears which gives me a choice of the 
 various file extensions I can choose from. Remember that the last 
 extension used will already be highlighted.
 3. If I want .rtf, for example, I vo + arrow keys to it, and then route my 
 mouse cursor to vo and perform a click with vo+shift+spacebar to choose 
 the extension.
 4. I jump to the very right of the screen where you will find "next" 
 button. This will now actually create a file for you which you will be 
 able to read. Press this button
 5. A dialogue will open up with untitled file and extension. Call it what 
 you wish, and save it where you want.
 6. After you press the save button, the file will open in the appropriate 
 application for the file extension you have chosen.
 
 I don't know of any other way of reading what you have scanned, not in 
 FineReader itself.
 
 Caution: if you want to scan another document without simply appending it 
 to the one you've previously scanned, you need to choose a new task by 
 pressing new task button in the toolbar - I think there's a shortcut key 
 under "file' menu.  Otherwise, your new scan will be attached to the end 
 of the previous one.  I've learnt by mistakes about this.
 
 I'm sure there's much more about FineReader that others know more about  
 Hope somebody will comment if I'm wrong in what I've said.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Andrew .
 On 16 Apr 2014, at 15:44, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> I just scanned an envelope. Unsure how to simply view a window with text 
> in it, I selected the Word file option. I'm now in a window with a bunch 
> of formatting options, two empty scroll areas, and no recognized text 
> anywhere. How do I simply see what is on the envelope I scanned? I don't 
> usually need to save text, just scan it to see what it is. Is there a way 
> to basically OCR a scan and view the results? Thanks.
> 
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Re: Viewing Recognized Text in Fine Reader?

2014-04-17 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
just to add whts the difference between abby fine reader and the fine reader 
pro?
On 17 Apr 2014, at 04:43 pm, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have been following this thread out of interest regarding Fine Reader Pro. 
> I have not yet purchased it, but I believe from all of the current posts and 
> other discussions in the past that this app for the Mac is the most friendly 
> user with voiceover. Would like to suggest a solution for wanting to quickly 
> scan an envelope, which I do and then use another scan and read on the PC 
> side to OCR an item that needs more attention. I use my iPhone and Text 
> Detector app to sort my mail. The other app on the iPhone would be Prizmo 
> that doesn't save the image if you rescan immediately. If the mail needs more 
> attention, I use the scan and read OCR on my PC, but you could interchange it 
> by using your scanner and Fine Reader Pro on the Mac side. JMO and an 
> alternative. HTH.
> 
> Cheers,
> Eileen 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
>> I use a compatible scanner, there are lots of them, and after scanning, FR 
>> Pro recognizes the scanned pages and then opens a save dialog. I save the 
>> pages using the default file name "untitled", and then the document opens in 
>> textedit where I can read the doc. I have the format set to RTF and that 
>> triggers Textedit as the default app. I suppose if i set the format to 
>> .docx, it would open in pages. 
>> 
>> There is no viewing facility in FR Pro, but quickly saving it in a 
>> throw-away file will open it in an app were you can view/edit the file.
>>  
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks. I was really hoping that I could just look at the text, not save 
>>> it. As I said, I usually don't need to keep a copy, I just want to see what 
>>> it says.
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 I'm not sure you can view text of a document you have just scanned in 
 FineReader.
 
 The way I use this app is as follows:
 
 I either add new pages via the add new pages dialogue - there's a button 
 there, or better still, I vo+shift+m on the name of the scanned file and 
 choose open with FineReader.  I guess I do this because I use Vuescan to 
 scan my documents first and use FineReader for recognition only as my 
 scanner is not compatible with FineReader.
 2. After FineReader has recognised the document, in the toolbar I find the 
 button export all pages. A dialogue appears which gives me a choice of the 
 various file extensions I can choose from. Remember that the last 
 extension used will already be highlighted.
 3. If I want .rtf, for example, I vo + arrow keys to it, and then route my 
 mouse cursor to vo and perform a click with vo+shift+spacebar to choose 
 the extension.
 4. I jump to the very right of the screen where you will find "next" 
 button. This will now actually create a file for you which you will be 
 able to read. Press this button
 5. A dialogue will open up with untitled file and extension. Call it what 
 you wish, and save it where you want.
 6. After you press the save button, the file will open in the appropriate 
 application for the file extension you have chosen.
 
 I don't know of any other way of reading what you have scanned, not in 
 FineReader itself.
 
 Caution: if you want to scan another document without simply appending it 
 to the one you've previously scanned, you need to choose a new task by 
 pressing new task button in the toolbar - I think there's a shortcut key 
 under "file' menu.  Otherwise, your new scan will be attached to the end 
 of the previous one.  I've learnt by mistakes about this.
 
 I'm sure there's much more about FineReader that others know more about  
 Hope somebody will comment if I'm wrong in what I've said.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Andrew .
 On 16 Apr 2014, at 15:44, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> I just scanned an envelope. Unsure how to simply view a window with text 
> in it, I selected the Word file option. I'm now in a window with a bunch 
> of formatting options, two empty scroll areas, and no recognized text 
> anywhere. How do I simply see what is on the envelope I scanned? I don't 
> usually need to save text, just scan it to see what it is. Is there a way 
> to basically OCR a scan and view the results? Thanks.
> 
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> mehg...@icloud.com
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Setting up Messages

2014-04-17 Thread Robert C
   In OS X ML, I want to set up Messages. It wants an email address and 
password. Is this an existing password or am I creating a new account 
here? I already entered my Apple ID and the email address I entered is 
tied to the Apple ID.


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Re: Setting up Messages

2014-04-17 Thread Alex Hall
It wants your Apple ID email and password. I thought it would grab them 
automatically, but if it didn't enter them and it should work.
On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Robert C  wrote:

>   In OS X ML, I want to set up Messages. It wants an email address and 
> password. Is this an existing password or am I creating a new account here? I 
> already entered my Apple ID and the email address I entered is tied to the 
> Apple ID.
> 
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Putting messages into folders

2014-04-17 Thread Matt Dierckens
Hi all.
I wanted to start putting all my mail messages into folders. So lets say I have 
a mac folder, and a business folder, how could I go about making folders and 
then telling mail to put the messages there automatically?
Thanks.
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Re: Pages improvement

2014-04-17 Thread Anne Robertson
Pages in my Applications folder is dated April 6.

Cheers,

Anne


On 17 Apr 2014, at 18:19, Jessica  wrote:

> When did pages get an update?

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Re: Setting up Messages

2014-04-17 Thread Robert C
   I thought it wanted new information but its happy now and I have 
Messages set up. Probably entered the password wrong and did not know it.


   My to do list is getting shorter! :)

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On 4/17/2014 10:20 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

It wants your Apple ID email and password. I thought it would grab them 
automatically, but if it didn't enter them and it should work.
On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Robert C  wrote:


   In OS X ML, I want to set up Messages. It wants an email address and 
password. Is this an existing password or am I creating a new account here? I 
already entered my Apple ID and the email address I entered is tied to the 
Apple ID.

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Re: Putting messages into folders

2014-04-17 Thread Alex Hall
Make a new folder by going to the Mailbox menu, then New Folder. Place messages 
there by optionally selecting them (or do it one at a time), right clicking 
with vo-shift-m, then choose to "move to" or "copy to" and select the folder 
from the submenu. Copy and paste may work, I don't know.

To sort automatically, either make a new smart mailbox and configure its rules, 
or use your server. Gmail, iCloud, and other providers let you choose rules 
from your account settings, so that all your devices have messages sorted the 
same. The disadvantage to using local rules on your mac is that other 
computers, web interfaces, and mobile devices will not necessarily reflect the 
changes, so that messages neatly sorted on your Mac will all appear in your 
inbox on your iPhone, for instance.
On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:

> Hi all.
> I wanted to start putting all my mail messages into folders. So lets say I 
> have a mac folder, and a business folder, how could I go about making folders 
> and then telling mail to put the messages there automatically?
> Thanks.
> Matt Dierckens
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re:Topic: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

2014-04-17 Thread Eric Oyen
perhaps its time that those of us with braille note taker devices start 
volunteering some time to getting new braille books submitted to the NLS. the 
only really bad hitch I see with this is the copyright laws here in the US. If 
that doesn't turn out to be an issue, then we can all participate in expanding 
the current library of braille materials from its very low percentage to 
something far better. My one reason for us doing this is: we need braille 
literacy and there just isn't enough available materials to go around. The last 
braille loaner I tried to get from the local talking book library was on 
backorder for several months. This, among other reasons, is why we need to 
expand the electronic library versions. Having those files available will mean 
that one can simply get them printed through a local branch.

anyway, it would be nice to be able to read braille from any document around.

-eric


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From: Teresa Cochran 
Date: Apr 17 06:12AM -0700
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/1ce6a32a759c493b

If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes sense, 
since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little more 
problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 4-6 in 
computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.

Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a braille 
reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other formats 
than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping brf files in 
their format and using a Braille display to type in them, rather than 
back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a braille display.

Teresa

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Support for instant messaging in Messages

2014-04-17 Thread Robert C
   I see that this is availble to use thru Messages. I do not use this 
kind of service much but wish to connect to a Google Tak chat friend. Is 
it accessible? If not, there is Adium which I have not set up yet.


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Re: Calendar in Mavericks-creating an event that will recur once a month?

2014-04-17 Thread Daniel Hawkins
Ok cool thanks for letting me know. I was just getting annoied how long it 
takes to put a date down. And I still can't find a list of appointments only on 
my IOS devices lol.

Thanks!
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> hi,
> 
> You should be able to set events like that in within the Custom area of the 
> Repeat options.  So, after activating the date/time link,
> 
> * choose Custom from the Repeat Every pop-up.
> * Select Monthly.
> * Select the "On The" radio button.
> * Select the proper day, eg. Third and Tuesday.
> * close the window.
> 
> Not sure why it wasn't working that way for Daniel.  Regarding the deleting 
> of an event, when in Month view, you can navigate to the event then go up to 
> the Edit menu and choose Delete.  I believe that in some other views, you are 
> able to use the Delete key and/or some other commands.
> 
> Later...
> 
> * 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
>> I too have the same question. I tried setting to the second saturday every 
>> month. It ended up on doing the same date number, not the second Saturday.
>> 
>> Also, on the Mac how do you delete dates? cmd delete did nothing and I can't 
>> find anything under the menubar.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Daniel Hawkins
>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Jessica  wrote:
>> 
>>> How would I indicate that I want the event on the first Tuesday of every 
>>> month?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 When in Calendar, press cmd-n to create the new event.  Enter your event 
 criteria like "Pay Water Bill on May 2", then press return.  Navigate 
 right past the scroll area then press VO-space on the date/time link.  
 This will open a more detailed area which includes a pop-up menu for the 
 repeat frequency.  You can Stop Interacting with this area to manipulate 
 the rest of the event.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Jessica  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> How do I create an event that will occur once a month on a given date? 
> Also, How do I move an event to another day?
> Thanks,
> 
> Jessica
> jldai...@gmail.com
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two applications upgraded

2014-04-17 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
why does eveytime i open up my computer i hear this voice.
actualy i do have imovie update and xcode update, but i dont want to hear it 
everytime i open my mac

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VO-J

2014-04-17 Thread Traci Duncan
Is there, or is there a way to create a trackpad gesture for VO-J?

A little side note, I wish VO-shift-J would jump VoiceOver backwards.

Thanks,
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Re: Support for instant messaging in Messages

2014-04-17 Thread Alex Hall
I believe so. Open Preferences in Messages, go to the Accounts tab, and add an 
account. VO-left to the popup button and choose the server type, then fill in 
the rest of the information.
On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Robert C  wrote:

>   I see that this is availble to use thru Messages. I do not use this kind of 
> service much but wish to connect to a Google Tak chat friend. Is it 
> accessible? If not, there is Adium which I have not set up yet.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> Why are there 5 syllables in the word "monosyllabic?"
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Re: VO-J

2014-04-17 Thread Alex Hall
When you assign your command, choose "move to linked item" from the navigation 
menu.
On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

> Is there, or is there a way to create a trackpad gesture for VO-J?
> 
> A little side note, I wish VO-shift-J would jump VoiceOver backwards.
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Facebook is getting on my nerves.

2014-04-17 Thread Christina C.
One thousand and one reasons to delete your Facebook account. :) OK, here is 
what I used to do. I have  deleted my faceBook account. So, this is mostly off 
of memory but it's the only way I could tolerate basic use of faceBook on my 
iMac.

Go into Safari preferences.
Go to the Advanced tab.
Check the check box towards the bottom that says something like show Develop 
menu in menu bar. I can't recall the exact words. :)
Then close preferences.
Go to the mobile site for your Facebook account. 
Then go up to the safari menu via the VO plus M command and VO over to the 
develop menu.
Activate this develop menu and go down to the User agent option. A sub menu 
will open.
Go down to the fire fox windows and select this. Make sure it's firefox windows 
and not Mac. The mobile Facebook site will reload.


You should be able to get around fairly easily. I will warn you that you will 
often hear lots of gibberish but it is very easy to use faceBook this way. You 
will not be able to do any advanced settings through the mobile faceBook site 
but you will be able to read posts and make comments. It's not a perfect 
solution but it was the only way I found bearable. :)

To quickly get to a particular spot I would hit my tab key as this would 
quickly put me in the edit box for typing a Facebook update. Then I wouldVO 
down the page past my notifications to read friends status updates. I also had 
set up a web hot spot (can't remember the proper name) so that when my page 
loaded the VO cursor was in the status update text box. This would not always 
hold though for minor changes to the page. :) 

As a side note, I just want to say that I use this develop menu often. If I 
come across a website that seems really cluttered, I will try this develop menu 
and instead of choosing the fire Fox windows option I use the Safari iOS iPhone 
choice. This tricks the website into thinking you on an iPhone and will 
sometimes display their mobile version. It doesn't always do the trick but 
sometimes it's just the thing I need for easier navigation.

Feel free to ask me questions as I am not very good at explaining directions. :)

Best of luck and happy faceBooking,
Christina
 

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Re: Keyboard Focus / Voice Over Cursor / Mouse Pointer

2014-04-17 Thread Robert C

Anne,
   This is an old message but of interest. Specifically, the cursor 
tracking when in a chat environment.


   If tracking is off, keyboard fozus is on the edit field, and VO is 
on the text the other person types, do you hear both spoken  or do you 
need to use commands? This is new to me and I wish to try a chat soon 
with a friend.


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On 1/24/2014 11:32 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Lee,

The keyboard focus is the position of the insertion point, which is shown on 
the screen as a tiny line between two characters. This is where your text will 
start if you begin typing.
The VoiceOver cursor is shown as a box around an area on the screen and you can 
change its size in the VoiceOver utility.
Normally the keyboard focus and the VoiceOver cursor are tied together so that 
VoiceOver tells you where you can enter information, but in a chat, you want to 
be able to read what the other person has written without moving the insertion 
point from the field where you type your reply, so you turn cursor tracking off.

In general, we don't need to worry about the mouse cursor, but some operations 
require the mouse to be on a specific element, in which case, you can bring the 
mouse cursor to the VO cursor with VO-Cmd-F5 if you don't have the mouse cursor 
tied to the other cursors already.
I prefer not to have my mouse cursor tied to the other cursors as I find it can 
cause some irritating jumping around.

Mouse keys allows you to pilot the mouse using either the numpad or the letter 
keys on the righthand side of the keyboard.

In VoiceOver utility, you can tell VO to speak the text under the mouse with no 
delay so that you can hear where your mouse pointer is. Moving the mouse 
pointer in this way can make some elements accessible which the VoiceOver 
cursor can't reach.

Cheers,

Anne


On 25 Jan 2014, at 02:40, Lee Jones  wrote:


Dear List I don't understand the difference between keyboard focus and voice 
over cursor. What can you do with one that you can't do withthe the other? Do 
people find mouse keys useful? There are shortcuts for mouse up mouse down, 
double click etc but I am not sure what they would be used for. In setttings is 
it best to have keyboard focus vo cursor and mouse pointer following each other 
or moving separately? I am running mavericks.

Many Thanks, Lee

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Re: Support for instant messaging in Messages

2014-04-17 Thread Robert C

Alex,
   Thanks. I will set it up and try it very soon. If I dont need 
another app to do what the native apps already on the Mac can do, the 
better.


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On 4/17/2014 11:04 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

I believe so. Open Preferences in Messages, go to the Accounts tab, and add an 
account. VO-left to the popup button and choose the server type, then fill in 
the rest of the information.
On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Robert C  wrote:


   I see that this is availble to use thru Messages. I do not use this kind of 
service much but wish to connect to a Google Tak chat friend. Is it accessible? 
If not, there is Adium which I have not set up yet.

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Re: Status Menus Are Gone

2014-04-17 Thread Jane
I am repairing permissions for the third tie now and I am down to one 
permission that needs to be repaired. Interestingly, it has nothing to do with 
Status menus. It has to do with Safari. I still can't access the extra menus, 
though.
Jane



On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Don't rush to the reformat, that is a drastic and usually unnecessary task.  
> Try to do a repair permissions first.  To do so...
> 
> * Go to the Finder.
> * Press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
> * Navigate to the Disk Utility app and open it.
> * From the table of disks, select your Macintosh HD.
> * Stop Interacting with the table and select the First Aid tab.
> * Navigate to the Repair Disk Permissions button and press it with VO-space.
> * Wait patiently as it does its task.
> 
> Sometimes this needs performed more than once to fix most permission errors.  
> In some cases, you'll need to perform this from the Recovery Partition, but 
> I'll wait to see if this does the job first.  By the way, what exactly 
> happens when you press the VO-m-m command?  Is there an alert sound or simply 
> takes you somewhere but no Menu Extras are available.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> Yep, I have tried with both. It doesn't work I bet I am going to have to 
>> reformat and re-install once I have stuff backed up, *sigh*
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:13 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>>  Are you using VO-m twice or control-F8 to get to the status menus?  This 
>>> is not typical behavior.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
>>> Mountain Lion
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Jane  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there.
 I tried both cycling VO off and on and a re-start of this computer. It 
 didn't make a difference. Any other thoughts?
 
 Jane
 
 
 
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I would just suggest either cycling VO off then on or restarting your 
> Mac.  This is not normal behaviour so, something has become confused.  
> The cycling off/on of VO may do the trick but the restart is best and if 
> that doesn't fix it, then post again.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Robert C  wrote:
> 
>> Funny this comes up today for I just ran into the same issue except I 
>> could not bring up the menu bar and control f3 did not work. Had to 
>> restart the Mac.
>> 
>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
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>> On 4/16/2014 11:18 AM, Jane wrote:
>>> I can't seem to get to my Status menu things at all. VO-m twice doesn't 
>>> work. None of the trackpad commands seem to work. I guess it is there, 
>>> somewhere, but I can't access it. Do any of you have ideas?
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
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Re: slightly ot: icloud based audio discription indiegogo project.

2014-04-17 Thread Kerri
as would I, sign me up too. The only issue is true Canadian dollar is lower 
than the American so it would invariably cost us more.




On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> Definitely. Sign me up. 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
>> thanks!
>> I hope this gets off the ground!
>> I'd shell out for it myself.
>> Cait
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sharing in case this has not been posted here.
>>> What I love about this company besides the strong effort making the 
>>> platform work is their ethical commitment.   Unlike the "no one cares about 
>>> blind people so we will steal content," approach.  This is a real company 
>>> who is providing a variety of the many many describes titles, and doing it 
>>> on a global platform.  If you cannot contribute to the Indiegogo campaign,  
>>> I hope you will share this far and wide.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zagga-entertainment-ltd/x/6442652#home
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kare
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Re: slightly ot: icloud based audio discription indiegogo project.

2014-04-17 Thread Kevin Shaw
Indiegogo is priced in Canadian dollars, but the service will be priced in the 
local currency when it launches. Hope this clears things up. :)

Stay tuned, and thanks Karen for posting this. I've been talking to Cara about 
doing this with a Macvisionaries endorsement and she's a fan.

Cheers,
Kevin. Yes, that Kevin.
On 2014-04-17, at 2:48 PM, Kerri  wrote:

> as would I, sign me up too. The only issue is true Canadian dollar is lower 
> than the American so it would invariably cost us more.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
>> Definitely. Sign me up. 
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> thanks!
>>> I hope this gets off the ground!
>>> I'd shell out for it myself.
>>> Cait
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Sharing in case this has not been posted here.
 What I love about this company besides the strong effort making the 
 platform work is their ethical commitment.   Unlike the "no one cares 
 about blind people so we will steal content," approach.  This is a real 
 company who is providing a variety of the many many describes titles, and 
 doing it on a global platform.  If you cannot contribute to the Indiegogo 
 campaign,  I hope you will share this far and wide.
 
 
 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zagga-entertainment-ltd/x/6442652#home
 
 
 
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Re: slightly ot: icloud based audio discription indiegogo project.

2014-04-17 Thread Kerri
thanks, this does clear it u, I'm in.

On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Kevin Shaw  wrote:

> Indiegogo is priced in Canadian dollars, but the service will be priced in 
> the local currency when it launches. Hope this clears things up. :)
> 
> Stay tuned, and thanks Karen for posting this. I've been talking to Cara 
> about doing this with a Macvisionaries endorsement and she's a fan.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kevin. Yes, that Kevin.
> On 2014-04-17, at 2:48 PM, Kerri  wrote:
> 
>> as would I, sign me up too. The only issue is true Canadian dollar is lower 
>> than the American so it would invariably cost us more.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Definitely. Sign me up. 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 thanks!
 I hope this gets off the ground!
 I'd shell out for it myself.
 Cait
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Karen Lewellen  
 wrote:
 
> Sharing in case this has not been posted here.
> What I love about this company besides the strong effort making the 
> platform work is their ethical commitment.   Unlike the "no one cares 
> about blind people so we will steal content," approach.  This is a real 
> company who is providing a variety of the many many describes titles, and 
> doing it on a global platform.  If you cannot contribute to the Indiegogo 
> campaign,  I hope you will share this far and wide.
> 
> 
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zagga-entertainment-ltd/x/6442652#home
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Kare
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Changing languages on iPad

2014-04-17 Thread Chenelle Hancock


Hello everyone, this is Chenelle! I changed the language settings to ration I 
am my iPad mini last week because I was learning Russian and now I want to 
revert back to English? What should I do in order to change it back to English 
again clash thank you so much have a great day Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Apr 2014, at 12:33 pm, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
> 
>   Today's topic summary
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
> 
> slightly ot: icloud based audio discription indiegogo project. [2 Updates]
> Calendar in Mavericks-creating an event that will recur once a month? [2 
> Updates]
> Pages improvement [4 Updates]
> Viewing Recognized Text in Fine Reader? [3 Updates]
> Status Menus Are Gone [2 Updates]
> Keynote Aglore! [1 Update]
> Topic: reading brf files on the mac [5 Updates]
> looking for accessible trivia and word games for mac [1 Update]
> Tips on Abbyy Fine Reader? [1 Update]
> Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac [4 
> Updates]
>  slightly ot: icloud based audio discription indiegogo project.
> Caitlyn and Maggie  Apr 17 10:05AM -0400  
> 
> thanks!
> I hope this gets off the ground!
> I’d shell out for it myself.
> Cait
>  
>  
> 
> Christine Grassman  Apr 17 12:29PM -0400  
> 
> Definitely. Sign me up. 
>  
>  
> 
>  Calendar in Mavericks-creating an event that will recur once a month?
> Daniel Hawkins  Apr 17 10:07AM -0500  
> 
> I too have the same question. I tried setting to the second saturday every 
> month. It ended up on doing the same date number, not the second Saturday.
>  
> Also, on the Mac how do you delete dates? cmd delete did nothing and I can’t 
> find anything under the menubar.
>  
> Thanks!
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>  
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn  Apr 17 10:24AM -0600  
> 
> hi,
>  
> You should be able to set events like that in within the Custom area of the 
> Repeat options. So, after activating the date/time link,
>  
> • choose Custom from the Repeat Every pop-up.
> • Select Monthly.
> • Select the “On The” radio button.
> • Select the proper day, eg. Third and Tuesday.
> • close the window.
>  
> Not sure why it wasn’t working that way for Daniel. Regarding the deleting of 
> an event, when in Month view, you can navigate to the event then go up to the 
> Edit menu and choose Delete. I believe that in some other views, you are able 
> to use the Delete key and/or some other commands.
>  
> Later…
>  
> • 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
>  
> 
>  Pages improvement
> Anne Robertson  Apr 17 04:27PM +0200  
> 
> Hello everyone,
>  
> The latest update to Pages brought a big improvement. There is no longer any 
> need to interact with the Paragraph styles button to hear the name of the 
> style. This means that we can now set a hotspot on that button and consult it 
> from within the document. Also, we can find the short cut for a given style 
> by interacting with the styles table and the short cut is shown beside the 
> name.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
> 
> isaac  Apr 17 09:37AM -0500  
> 
> How do you set up hotspots?
>  
> 
> Anne Robertson  Apr 17 04:50PM +0200  
> 
> Hello Isaac,
>  
> To set a hotspot, go to the place you want to put the hotspot and press 
> VO-Shift-plus a number from 0 to 9. To jump to the hotspot, press VO-number. 
> To consult the hotspot, press VO-Cmd-number.
>  
> So, in Pages, if you set a hotspot with the number 1, you can press VO-Cmd-1 
> anywhere within your text and hear the name of the paragraph style currently 
> active.
>  
> You can also jump straight to the Paragraph styles button by pressing VO-1 in 
> this case.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
> 
> Jessica  Apr 17 12:19PM -0400  
> 
> When did pages get an update?
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
>  
> 
>  Viewing Recognized Text in Fine Reader?
> Phil Halton  Apr 17 10:01AM -0400  
> 
> I use a compatible scanner, there are lots of them, and after scanning, FR 
> Pro recognizes the scanned pages and then opens a save dialog. I save the 
> pages using the default file name “untitled”, and then the document opens in 
> textedit where I can read the doc. I have the format set to RTF and that 
> triggers Textedit as the default app. I suppose if i set the format to .docx, 
> it would open in pages. 
>  
> There is no viewing facility in FR Pro, but quickly saving it in a throw-away 
> file will open it in an app were you can view/edit the file.
> 
>  
> 
> Eileen Misrahi  Apr 17 07:43AM -0700  
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I have been following this thread out of interest regarding Fine Reader Pro. 
> I have not yet purchased it, but I believe from all of the current posts and 
> other discussions in the past that this app for the Mac is the most friendly 
> user with voiceover. Would like to suggest a solution for wanting to quickly 
> scan an envelope, which I do and then use another scan and read on the PC 
> side to OCR an item that needs more attention. I use my iPhone and Text 
> Det

Re: Calendar in Mavericks-creating an event that will recur once a month?

2014-04-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

When you say that you were getting annoyed at how long it takes to get a date 
down, what exactly did you mean.  You can have the Calendar app automatically 
place events on the proper date by pressing cmd-n to create the new event then 
putting the date within that field.  For example, "Meeting with my Boss at 3:00 
pm on Apr 30 will place that event exactly where you need it.  The more 
detailed info if it's recurring and such does seem to need manipulation though.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
wrote:

> Ok cool thanks for letting me know. I was just getting annoied how long it 
> takes to put a date down. And I still can't find a list of appointments only 
> on my IOS devices lol.
> 
> Thanks!
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> You should be able to set events like that in within the Custom area of the 
>> Repeat options.  So, after activating the date/time link,
>> 
>> * choose Custom from the Repeat Every pop-up.
>> * Select Monthly.
>> * Select the "On The" radio button.
>> * Select the proper day, eg. Third and Tuesday.
>> * close the window.
>> 
>> Not sure why it wasn't working that way for Daniel.  Regarding the deleting 
>> of an event, when in Month view, you can navigate to the event then go up to 
>> the Edit menu and choose Delete.  I believe that in some other views, you 
>> are able to use the Delete key and/or some other commands.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> * 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I too have the same question. I tried setting to the second saturday every 
>>> month. It ended up on doing the same date number, not the second Saturday.
>>> 
>>> Also, on the Mac how do you delete dates? cmd delete did nothing and I 
>>> can't find anything under the menubar.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Daniel Hawkins
>>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Jessica  wrote:
>>> 
 How would I indicate that I want the event on the first Tuesday of every 
 month?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> When in Calendar, press cmd-n to create the new event.  Enter your event 
> criteria like "Pay Water Bill on May 2", then press return.  Navigate 
> right past the scroll area then press VO-space on the date/time link.  
> This will open a more detailed area which includes a pop-up menu for the 
> repeat frequency.  You can Stop Interacting with this area to manipulate 
> the rest of the event.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Jessica  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> How do I create an event that will occur once a month on a given date? 
>> Also, How do I move an event to another day?
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jessica
>> jldai...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: two applications upgraded

2014-04-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

It appears to be an automatic thing when you have the Download in the 
Background" checkbox checked in the AppStore pane of System Preferences.  I 
believe that if you uncheck this box, those messages won't always come up.  
Other than that, you could turn on "Do Not Disturb" in the Notification Centre 
and those alerts wouldn't happen.  Then again, no alerts would which maybe is 
what you are hoping for.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:

> why does eveytime i open up my computer i hear this voice.
> actualy i do have imovie update and xcode update, but i dont want to hear it 
> everytime i open my mac
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Re: Status Menus Are Gone

2014-04-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hmmm.  I wouldn't bother doing another repair after this, as some items just 
don't seem to repair themselves.  How about you try the following:

* Go to your Finder.
* Open your Macintosh HD
* Open the System folder.
* Open the Library folder
* Open the Core Services folder.
* Open the Battery item.

Now try accessing your Menu Extras again with VO-m-m and see if the Battery 
Status menu is available.  If it is, then do the same process to get some of 
the other extras back onto the Status Menus.  If that doesn't do it, let me 
know.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Jane  wrote:

> I am repairing permissions for the third tie now and I am down to one 
> permission that needs to be repaired. Interestingly, it has nothing to do 
> with Status menus. It has to do with Safari. I still can't access the extra 
> menus, though.
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Don't rush to the reformat, that is a drastic and usually unnecessary task.  
>> Try to do a repair permissions first.  To do so...
>> 
>> * Go to the Finder.
>> * Press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
>> * Navigate to the Disk Utility app and open it.
>> * From the table of disks, select your Macintosh HD.
>> * Stop Interacting with the table and select the First Aid tab.
>> * Navigate to the Repair Disk Permissions button and press it with VO-space.
>> * Wait patiently as it does its task.
>> 
>> Sometimes this needs performed more than once to fix most permission errors. 
>>  In some cases, you'll need to perform this from the Recovery Partition, but 
>> I'll wait to see if this does the job first.  By the way, what exactly 
>> happens when you press the VO-m-m command?  Is there an alert sound or 
>> simply takes you somewhere but no Menu Extras are available.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Jane  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, I have tried with both. It doesn't work I bet I am going to have to 
>>> reformat and re-install once I have stuff backed up, *sigh*
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:13 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
  Are you using VO-m twice or control-F8 to get to the status menus?  This 
 is not typical behavior.
 
 
 Take Care
 
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 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Jane  wrote:
 
> Hi there.
> I tried both cycling VO off and on and a re-start of this computer. It 
> didn't make a difference. Any other thoughts?
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would just suggest either cycling VO off then on or restarting your 
>> Mac.  This is not normal behaviour so, something has become confused.  
>> The cycling off/on of VO may do the trick but the restart is best and if 
>> that doesn't fix it, then post again.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Robert C  wrote:
>> 
>>> Funny this comes up today for I just ran into the same issue except I 
>>> could not bring up the menu bar and control f3 did not work. Had to 
>>> restart the Mac.
>>> 
>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>>> "Be lions roaring through the forests of knowledge."
>>> --Bahá'í Scriptures
>>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
>>> E-mail-
>>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On 4/16/2014 11:18 AM, Jane wrote:
 I can't seem to get to my Status menu things at all. VO-m twice 
 doesn't work. None of the trackpad commands seem to work. I guess it 
 is there, somewhere, but I can't access it. Do any of you have ideas?
 
 Jane
 
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Re: Changing languages on iPad

2014-04-17 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hi Chenelle. If you have languages in your roter, simply rotate two fingers 
clockwise or counter clockwise until you hear Voiceover say language. Then 
flick with one finger up or down until you hear your English voice. HTH.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Chenelle Hancock  
wrote:

> 
> 
> Hello everyone, this is Chenelle! I changed the language settings to ration I 
> am my iPad mini last week because I was learning Russian and now I want to 
> revert back to English? What should I do in order to change it back to 
> English again clash thank you so much have a great day Sent from my iPhone
> 
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> 
>>   Today's topic summary
>> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
>> 
>> slightly ot: icloud based audio discription indiegogo project. [2 Updates]
>> Calendar in Mavericks-creating an event that will recur once a month? [2 
>> Updates]
>> Pages improvement [4 Updates]
>> Viewing Recognized Text in Fine Reader? [3 Updates]
>> Status Menus Are Gone [2 Updates]
>> Keynote Aglore! [1 Update]
>> Topic: reading brf files on the mac [5 Updates]
>> looking for accessible trivia and word games for mac [1 Update]
>> Tips on Abbyy Fine Reader? [1 Update]
>> Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac [4 
>> Updates]
>>  slightly ot: icloud based audio discription indiegogo project.
>> Caitlyn and Maggie  Apr 17 10:05AM -0400  
>> 
>> thanks!
>> I hope this gets off the ground!
>> I'd shell out for it myself.
>> Cait
>>  
>>  
>> Christine Grassman  Apr 17 12:29PM -0400  
>> 
>> Definitely. Sign me up. 
>>  
>>  
>>  Calendar in Mavericks-creating an event that will recur once a month?
>> Daniel Hawkins  Apr 17 10:07AM -0500  
>> 
>> I too have the same question. I tried setting to the second saturday every 
>> month. It ended up on doing the same date number, not the second Saturday.
>>  
>> Also, on the Mac how do you delete dates? cmd delete did nothing and I can't 
>> find anything under the menubar.
>>  
>> Thanks!
>> Daniel Hawkins
>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>>  
>>  
>> Tim Kilburn  Apr 17 10:24AM -0600  
>> 
>> hi,
>>  
>> You should be able to set events like that in within the Custom area of the 
>> Repeat options. So, after activating the date/time link,
>>  
>> * choose Custom from the Repeat Every pop-up.
>> * Select Monthly.
>> * Select the "On The" radio button.
>> * Select the proper day, eg. Third and Tuesday.
>> * close the window.
>>  
>> Not sure why it wasn't working that way for Daniel. Regarding the deleting 
>> of an event, when in Month view, you can navigate to the event then go up to 
>> the Edit menu and choose Delete. I believe that in some other views, you are 
>> able to use the Delete key and/or some other commands.
>>  
>> Later...
>>  
>> * 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>  
>>  
>>  Pages improvement
>> Anne Robertson  Apr 17 04:27PM +0200  
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>>  
>> The latest update to Pages brought a big improvement. There is no longer any 
>> need to interact with the Paragraph styles button to hear the name of the 
>> style. This means that we can now set a hotspot on that button and consult 
>> it from within the document. Also, we can find the short cut for a given 
>> style by interacting with the styles table and the short cut is shown beside 
>> the name.
>>  
>> Cheers,
>>  
>> Anne
>>  
>> isaac  Apr 17 09:37AM -0500  
>> 
>> How do you set up hotspots?
>>  
>> Anne Robertson  Apr 17 04:50PM +0200  
>> 
>> Hello Isaac,
>>  
>> To set a hotspot, go to the place you want to put the hotspot and press 
>> VO-Shift-plus a number from 0 to 9. To jump to the hotspot, press VO-number. 
>> To consult the hotspot, press VO-Cmd-number.
>>  
>> So, in Pages, if you set a hotspot with the number 1, you can press VO-Cmd-1 
>> anywhere within your text and hear the name of the paragraph style currently 
>> active.
>>  
>> You can also jump straight to the Paragraph styles button by pressing VO-1 
>> in this case.
>>  
>> Cheers,
>>  
>> Anne
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Jessica  Apr 17 12:19PM -0400  
>> 
>> When did pages get an update?
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>  
>>  
>>  Viewing Recognized Text in Fine Reader?
>> Phil Halton  Apr 17 10:01AM -0400  
>> 
>> I use a compatible scanner, there are lots of them, and after scanning, FR 
>> Pro recognizes the scanned pages and then opens a save dialog. I save the 
>> pages using the default file name "untitled", and then the document opens in 
>> textedit where I can read the doc. I have the format set to RTF and that 
>> triggers Textedit as the default app. I suppose if i set the format to 
>> .docx, it would open in pages. 
>>  
>> There is no viewing facility in FR Pro, but quickly saving it in a 
>> throw-away file will open it in an app were you can view/edit the file.
>> 
>>  
>> Eileen Misrahi  Apr 17 07:43AM -0700  
>> 
>> Hello,
>>  
>> I have been following this thread 

Removing drm protection from Adobe Digital Edition pdf files purchased legally

2014-04-17 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Hi Listers,

I need to remove drm protection from an adobe digital pdf book which I have 
purchased. This is obviously for my own use. Is there a Voiceover friendly 
program that would do it?

Thanks for any tips.

Andrew

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Re: Facebook is getting on my nerves.

2014-04-17 Thread Christine Grassman
Wow; this is the best bunch of suggestions I've seen for dealing with Facebook 
and difficult sites. Terrific. 
Christine

On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:15 PM, "Christina C."  wrote:

> One thousand and one reasons to delete your Facebook account. :) OK, here is 
> what I used to do. I have  deleted my faceBook account. So, this is mostly 
> off of memory but it's the only way I could tolerate basic use of faceBook on 
> my iMac.
> 
> Go into Safari preferences.
> Go to the Advanced tab.
> Check the check box towards the bottom that says something like show Develop 
> menu in menu bar. I can't recall the exact words. :)
> Then close preferences.
> Go to the mobile site for your Facebook account. 
> Then go up to the safari menu via the VO plus M command and VO over to the 
> develop menu.
> Activate this develop menu and go down to the User agent option. A sub menu 
> will open.
> Go down to the fire fox windows and select this. Make sure it's firefox 
> windows and not Mac. The mobile Facebook site will reload.
> 
> 
> You should be able to get around fairly easily. I will warn you that you will 
> often hear lots of gibberish but it is very easy to use faceBook this way. 
> You will not be able to do any advanced settings through the mobile faceBook 
> site but you will be able to read posts and make comments. It's not a perfect 
> solution but it was the only way I found bearable. :)
> 
> To quickly get to a particular spot I would hit my tab key as this would 
> quickly put me in the edit box for typing a Facebook update. Then I wouldVO 
> down the page past my notifications to read friends status updates. I also 
> had set up a web hot spot (can't remember the proper name) so that when my 
> page loaded the VO cursor was in the status update text box. This would not 
> always hold though for minor changes to the page. :) 
> 
> As a side note, I just want to say that I use this develop menu often. If I 
> come across a website that seems really cluttered, I will try this develop 
> menu and instead of choosing the fire Fox windows option I use the Safari iOS 
> iPhone choice. This tricks the website into thinking you on an iPhone and 
> will sometimes display their mobile version. It doesn't always do the trick 
> but sometimes it's just the thing I need for easier navigation.
> 
> Feel free to ask me questions as I am not very good at explaining directions. 
> :)
> 
> Best of luck and happy faceBooking,
> Christina
> 
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Re: slightly ot: icloud based audio discription indiegogo project.

2014-04-17 Thread Karen Lewellen
actually, that works in reverse, at the moment the Canadian dollar is less 
valuable then the American one.  so it cost less to pay in Canadian using 
American currency.  One of my saving graces truth be told.  say I spend 
$20 in  a Canadian store just now, but if I use  my American visa card that 
becomes $12 or $15.  Do not let that keep you from contributing at 
indiegogo.  gosh even $5 makes a difference.  I have no idea what the 
subscription rates will be once launched.  it is a when, not an if.

Still circulating it broadly has value as well.
Kare

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014, Kerri wrote:


as would I, sign me up too. The only issue is true Canadian dollar is lower 
than the American so it would invariably cost us more.




On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Christine Grassman  wrote:


Definitely. Sign me up.

On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
wrote:


thanks!
I hope this gets off the ground!
I'd shell out for it myself.
Cait

On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Sharing in case this has not been posted here.
What I love about this company besides the strong effort making the platform work is 
their ethical commitment.   Unlike the "no one cares about blind people so we will 
steal content," approach.  This is a real company who is providing a variety of the 
many many describes titles, and doing it on a global platform.  If you cannot contribute 
to the Indiegogo campaign,  I hope you will share this far and wide.


https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zagga-entertainment-ltd/x/6442652#home



Thanks,
Kare

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Re: Status Menus Are Gone

2014-04-17 Thread Jane
Are you talking about the BAttery plugin under Menu Extras? It won't let me 
open that.  Or do I need to look elsewhere in the Core SErvices folder?

Jane




On Apr 17, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hmmm.  I wouldn't bother doing another repair after this, as some items just 
> don't seem to repair themselves.  How about you try the following:
> 
> * Go to your Finder.
> * Open your Macintosh HD
> * Open the System folder.
> * Open the Library folder
> * Open the Core Services folder.
> * Open the Battery item.
> 
> Now try accessing your Menu Extras again with VO-m-m and see if the Battery 
> Status menu is available.  If it is, then do the same process to get some of 
> the other extras back onto the Status Menus.  If that doesn't do it, let me 
> know.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> I am repairing permissions for the third tie now and I am down to one 
>> permission that needs to be repaired. Interestingly, it has nothing to do 
>> with Status menus. It has to do with Safari. I still can't access the extra 
>> menus, though.
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Don't rush to the reformat, that is a drastic and usually unnecessary task. 
>>>  Try to do a repair permissions first.  To do so...
>>> 
>>> * Go to the Finder.
>>> * Press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
>>> * Navigate to the Disk Utility app and open it.
>>> * From the table of disks, select your Macintosh HD.
>>> * Stop Interacting with the table and select the First Aid tab.
>>> * Navigate to the Repair Disk Permissions button and press it with VO-space.
>>> * Wait patiently as it does its task.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes this needs performed more than once to fix most permission 
>>> errors.  In some cases, you'll need to perform this from the Recovery 
>>> Partition, but I'll wait to see if this does the job first.  By the way, 
>>> what exactly happens when you press the VO-m-m command?  Is there an alert 
>>> sound or simply takes you somewhere but no Menu Extras are available.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Jane  wrote:
>>> 
 Yep, I have tried with both. It doesn't work I bet I am going to have to 
 reformat and re-install once I have stuff backed up, *sigh*
 
 Jane
 
 
 
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:13 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
 
>  Are you using VO-m twice or control-F8 to get to the status menus?  This 
> is not typical behavior.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> Mountain Lion
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there.
>> I tried both cycling VO off and on and a re-start of this computer. It 
>> didn't make a difference. Any other thoughts?
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I would just suggest either cycling VO off then on or restarting your 
>>> Mac.  This is not normal behaviour so, something has become confused.  
>>> The cycling off/on of VO may do the trick but the restart is best and 
>>> if that doesn't fix it, then post again.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Robert C  wrote:
>>> 
 Funny this comes up today for I just ran into the same issue except I 
 could not bring up the menu bar and control f3 did not work. Had to 
 restart the Mac.
 
 Quote of the nanosecond . . .
 "Be lions roaring through the forests of knowledge."
 --Bahá'í Scriptures
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 On 4/16/2014 11:18 AM, Jane wrote:
> I can't seem to get to my Status menu things at all. VO-m twice 
> doesn't work. None of the trackpad commands seem to work. I guess it 
> is there, somewhere, but I can't access it. Do any of you have ideas?
> 
> Jane
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Re: Keynote Aglore!

2014-04-17 Thread Daniela Rubio
If you bring the lists or the body content from other apps, the print side will 
be small, because you are taking the formatting of that original document to 
keynote. to about this, you need to copy the text, and when in Keynote, paste 
it with the same stile using the combination Option+CMD+Shift+v.
Hope it helps!
Best

Daniela Rubio T
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El 17/04/2014, a las 17:39, Daniel Hawkins  
escribió:

> Hello everyone!
> 
> Ok, I have been trying to learn how to make my own keynote slides. So far I 
> am getting the hang of it somewhat. But one of the biggest problem my friends 
> told me that the Body area is very very small print. I know how to make 
> larger print by cmd+, but they explained to me the square where the print is 
> in is very small.
> 
> What I want to do is have a title and in the middle of the slide to have some 
> lists. I was wondering how do you make it bigger?
> 
> Thanks!
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
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words still being corrected

2014-04-17 Thread Andrew Head
Hi all,
I turned off auto correct ages ago, but at times, when I type in pages or the 
messages apps, I find my words are still being corrected or suggestions being 
offered. If someone can help me out that would be great, I don't want any 
automatic corrections as I spell check my documents myself and writing a novel 
that has strange place and character names and I dislike it when the computer 
tries to correct things. this doesn't happen all the time, but for some reason 
it's still happening even though auto correct is turned off.
kind regards
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Re: Removing drm protection from Adobe Digital Edition pdf files purchased legally

2014-04-17 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi Andrew.

As I remember you are a macuser.

There are some good tools for things like that on this site:
www.epubsoft.com

Best regards Annie.
Den 17/04/2014 kl. 22.12 skrev Andrew Lamanche :

> Hi Listers,
> 
> I need to remove drm protection from an adobe digital pdf book which I have 
> purchased. This is obviously for my own use. Is there a Voiceover friendly 
> program that would do it?
> 
> Thanks for any tips.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: words still being corrected

2014-04-17 Thread Alex Hall
Some apps have auto-correct settings in their own preferences, independent of 
the system-wide setting. Check for that in the apps you find this happens. Also 
remember that spellcheck and auto-correct are two different items in most cases.
On Apr 17, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Andrew Head  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I turned off auto correct ages ago, but at times, when I type in pages or the 
> messages apps, I find my words are still being corrected or suggestions being 
> offered. If someone can help me out that would be great, I don't want any 
> automatic corrections as I spell check my documents myself and writing a 
> novel that has strange place and character names and I dislike it when the 
> computer tries to correct things. this doesn't happen all the time, but for 
> some reason it's still happening even though auto correct is turned off.
> kind regards
> andrew 
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Re: Topic: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

2014-04-17 Thread Caitlyn and Maggie
Better to help bookshare out, I think.  Their library is already much bigger 
then the nLS one.

I also belive that NLS has it's own way of increasing it's library, and 
volunteers submitting material isn't included in it.  I could be badly 
mistaken, though!
Cait

On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> perhaps its time that those of us with braille note taker devices start 
> volunteering some time to getting new braille books submitted to the NLS. the 
> only really bad hitch I see with this is the copyright laws here in the US. 
> If that doesn't turn out to be an issue, then we can all participate in 
> expanding the current library of braille materials from its very low 
> percentage to something far better. My one reason for us doing this is: we 
> need braille literacy and there just isn't enough available materials to go 
> around. The last braille loaner I tried to get from the local talking book 
> library was on backorder for several months. This, among other reasons, is 
> why we need to expand the electronic library versions. Having those files 
> available will mean that one can simply get them printed through a local 
> branch.
> 
> anyway, it would be nice to be able to read braille from any document around.
> 
> -eric
> 
> 
> -- 2 of 5 --
> From: Teresa Cochran 
> Date: Apr 17 06:12AM -0700
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/1ce6a32a759c493b
> 
> If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes 
> sense, since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little more 
> problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 4-6 in 
> computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.
> 
> Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
> translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
> sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a 
> braille reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other 
> formats than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping brf 
> files in their format and using a Braille display to type in them, rather 
> than back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a braille 
> display.
> 
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> 
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Re: Viewing Recognized Text in Fine Reader?

2014-04-17 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Hi Alex,
Once you press command-s (the shortcut to export) you are presented with a 
choice of file types in a dialog. DOCS is one of these, as is RTF and many 
more. Once you VO-space on your desired format, just press return to go to the 
save dialog. As someone said previously, the default format selection is 
whatever you last used.
Best,
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Re: Topic: Topic: reading brf files on the mac

2014-04-17 Thread Devin Prater
Yes, but Bookshare's iOS sucks compared to the BARD app. And who wants to add 
BRF files from email or dropbox to bard all the time? I'd rather have more NLS 
books. 

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> On Apr 17, 2014, at 17:52, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
> Better to help bookshare out, I think.  Their library is already much bigger 
> then the nLS one.
> 
> I also belive that NLS has it's own way of increasing it's library, and 
> volunteers submitting material isn't included in it.  I could be badly 
> mistaken, though!
> Cait
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> perhaps its time that those of us with braille note taker devices start 
>> volunteering some time to getting new braille books submitted to the NLS. 
>> the only really bad hitch I see with this is the copyright laws here in the 
>> US. If that doesn't turn out to be an issue, then we can all participate in 
>> expanding the current library of braille materials from its very low 
>> percentage to something far better. My one reason for us doing this is: we 
>> need braille literacy and there just isn't enough available materials to go 
>> around. The last braille loaner I tried to get from the local talking book 
>> library was on backorder for several months. This, among other reasons, is 
>> why we need to expand the electronic library versions. Having those files 
>> available will mean that one can simply get them printed through a local 
>> branch.
>> 
>> anyway, it would be nice to be able to read braille from any document around.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> 
>> -- 2 of 5 --
>> From: Teresa Cochran 
>> Date: Apr 17 06:12AM -0700
>> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/1ce6a32a759c493b
>> 
>> If you convert a file to html, louis will convert it to brf. That makes 
>> sense, since the markup is text as well. Going the other way is a little 
>> more problematic. Half the time Louis interprets braille italics as dots 4-6 
>> in computer braille, putting a period before each word instead.
>> 
>> Personally, even with programs such as Kurzweil, I always found back 
>> translation to be less than desirable. There are too many variables, and 
>> sometimes there are strange results with it. Saying this as primarily a 
>> braille reader, there are very many more books available in audio and other 
>> formats than in Braille. In my personal experience, I've started keeping brf 
>> files in their format and using a Braille display to type in them, rather 
>> than back-translating. Of course, I have the luxury of having a braille 
>> display.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> Teresa Cochran
>> batsfly...@me.com
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>> 
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Re: Renaming and some other questions

2014-04-17 Thread Ramy Moustafa
don't know sir alex how can I thank you.
your explanation is excellent. thanks so much.
is  there a way to know the time while working in pro tools?

On 4/17/14, Alex Hall  wrote:
> It depends on the view you are using. I recommend you read my Finder guide,
> which explains all about selecting multiple items:
> http://www.applevis.com/guides/mac-os-x/getting-started-os-x-finder
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:54 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
>
>> sir alex:
>> thanks for your response.
>> concerning windows, I was using 2 windows in finder, I didn't try to
>> use command n, I will try that.
>> concerning the escape key, in all menues, even the vo+m to go to the
>> apple menu, escape can not close the window.
>>
>> what do you mean by interacting with my list of files? I hit cmd}\}2
>> and after I go to any folder, I find the table, I interact with it, is
>> it what you mean?
>>
>>
>> On 4/16/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> In addition to Alex's responses:
>>>
>>> 3.  If these windows are in different applications, then cmd-` will not
>>> work.  The cmd-` only works within windows of the same application.  You
>>> can
>>> use cmd-tab to cycle between applications.
>>>
>>> 4.  I've never seen this either.  What kind of menu were you in?
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>>
 To rename, press enter. To select, interact with your list of files and
 press vo-cmd-enter on each one to select it (note that you must press
 this
 twice on the first item you select). If you are not using Mavericks or
 above, use vo-cmd-space instead of vo-cmd-enter.

 Escape closes menus, and I've never heard of it not doing so. Are you
 possibly not focused where you think you are?
 As to windows, are you sure you opened multiple windows? you may have
 Finder set to not open folders in new windows, or you did not use cmd-n
 when you opened your second folder.
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:26 PM, ramy moustafa 
 wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> With more and more using of my mac, I can discover somethings very
> interesting for me.
> But I got some questions if I can ask:
> 1-I need to rename a folder, I hit the vo+sheft +m but can not find
> the
> rename.
> 2-If I have a folder with many songs, I need to select only some
> songs,
> how can I select some? I tried sheft space, ctl sheft space, but no
> luck.
> 3-I know that command accent can cycle between open windoiws, I have 2
> open windows that I need to copy and past files from and to. Using
> command accent do nothing. Why?
> 4-When I'm in a menu, using the scape key didn't close this menu. I
> must
> hit option scape, and I discovered this by chance. So what is the
> right
> issue.
>
> Thanks so much for your help
>
>
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> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
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Re: Pages improvement

2014-04-17 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Hi Ann,

That's great news about the hotspots and I have been getting a lot of use out 
of the latest Pages. Setting shortcuts for paragraph styles is so much easier 
now too.

However, the update to the paragraph styles button is a bit of a double edged 
sword. It seems to always display the same paragraph style even when you change 
it. As I import many documents from Word, these usually start off saying, 
"Normal". But even when I change the paragraph style to something like "Body" 
or "Heading" the paragraph styles button continues to say "Normal". It is not 
until I interact with the paragraph styles button that VoiceOver will read the 
correct paragraph style name.

This leaves the misreported keyboard cursor point and the problem with 
selecting text which wraps a page as the main bugs outstanding. Then if they 
could bring back merged fields we'd be laughing. Is there much else I'm 
forgetting?

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Re: Calendar in Mavericks-creating an event that will recur once a month?

2014-04-17 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Re deleting events in month view, I've found that VoiceOver has some problems 
with focus. Keyboard focus and VoiceOver focus seem to get separated, and this 
results in either not being able to delete an event or deleting the wrong one. 
I've been able to eventually fix this by using just the arrow keys to navigate 
around, rather than the VoiceOver keys.

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Re: Status Menus Are Gone

2014-04-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

That should be the one.  It's starting to look like you may need to do a 
re-install.  I wouldn't go the total clean install route yet.  You could try 
the "Re-install" option in the Recovery partition.  This would install the 
newest MacOS onto your system, hopefully fixing any issues that exist.  A good 
backup is preferred prior to attempting this but it is quicker and less 
problematic than a clean install.  I think it's worth a try for you.

Let me know if you need assistance getting started with this if you choose to 
go this way.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jane  wrote:

> Are you talking about the BAttery plugin under Menu Extras? It won't let me 
> open that.  Or do I need to look elsewhere in the Core SErvices folder?
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm.  I wouldn't bother doing another repair after this, as some items just 
>> don't seem to repair themselves.  How about you try the following:
>> 
>> * Go to your Finder.
>> * Open your Macintosh HD
>> * Open the System folder.
>> * Open the Library folder
>> * Open the Core Services folder.
>> * Open the Battery item.
>> 
>> Now try accessing your Menu Extras again with VO-m-m and see if the Battery 
>> Status menu is available.  If it is, then do the same process to get some of 
>> the other extras back onto the Status Menus.  If that doesn't do it, let me 
>> know.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Jane  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am repairing permissions for the third tie now and I am down to one 
>>> permission that needs to be repaired. Interestingly, it has nothing to do 
>>> with Status menus. It has to do with Safari. I still can't access the extra 
>>> menus, though.
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Don't rush to the reformat, that is a drastic and usually unnecessary 
 task.  Try to do a repair permissions first.  To do so...
 
 * Go to the Finder.
 * Press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
 * Navigate to the Disk Utility app and open it.
 * From the table of disks, select your Macintosh HD.
 * Stop Interacting with the table and select the First Aid tab.
 * Navigate to the Repair Disk Permissions button and press it with 
 VO-space.
 * Wait patiently as it does its task.
 
 Sometimes this needs performed more than once to fix most permission 
 errors.  In some cases, you'll need to perform this from the Recovery 
 Partition, but I'll wait to see if this does the job first.  By the way, 
 what exactly happens when you press the VO-m-m command?  Is there an alert 
 sound or simply takes you somewhere but no Menu Extras are available.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Jane  wrote:
 
> Yep, I have tried with both. It doesn't work I bet I am going to have to 
> reformat and re-install once I have stuff backed up, *sigh*
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:13 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>>  Are you using VO-m twice or control-F8 to get to the status menus?  
>> This is not typical behavior.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
>> Mountain Lion
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Jane  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there.
>>> I tried both cycling VO off and on and a re-start of this computer. It 
>>> didn't make a difference. Any other thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I would just suggest either cycling VO off then on or restarting your 
 Mac.  This is not normal behaviour so, something has become confused.  
 The cycling off/on of VO may do the trick but the restart is best and 
 if that doesn't fix it, then post again.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Robert C  wrote:
 
> Funny this comes up today for I just ran into the same issue except I 
> could not bring up the menu bar and control f3 did not work. Had to 
> restart the Mac.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> "Be lions roaring through the forests of knowledge."
> --Bahá'í Scriptures
> Robert & Annie Yanni ke

Re: slightly ot: icloud based audio discription indiegogo project.

2014-04-17 Thread Devin Prater
No offense, but I've seen companies like this, and they usually fall. Countless 
companies that claimed to make inexpensive braille displays and such, that 
simple didn't show any progress. Talkingflicks has done the same. So I have 
little hope for those upstart company, no matter how much lip service they give 
us.


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> On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:05, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
> thanks!
> I hope this gets off the ground!
> I'd shell out for it myself.
> Cait
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Sharing in case this has not been posted here.
>> What I love about this company besides the strong effort making the platform 
>> work is their ethical commitment.   Unlike the "no one cares about blind 
>> people so we will steal content," approach.  This is a real company who is 
>> providing a variety of the many many describes titles, and doing it on a 
>> global platform.  If you cannot contribute to the Indiegogo campaign,  I 
>> hope you will share this far and wide.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zagga-entertainment-ltd/x/6442652#home
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Kare
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Re: Status Menus Are Gone

2014-04-17 Thread Jane
If I do this, am I going to have to somehow re-authorize thiwcomputer? I think 
I have maybe one authorization left.

Jane




On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:26 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> That should be the one.  It's starting to look like you may need to do a 
> re-install.  I wouldn't go the total clean install route yet.  You could try 
> the "Re-install" option in the Recovery partition.  This would install the 
> newest MacOS onto your system, hopefully fixing any issues that exist.  A 
> good backup is preferred prior to attempting this but it is quicker and less 
> problematic than a clean install.  I think it's worth a try for you.
> 
> Let me know if you need assistance getting started with this if you choose to 
> go this way.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> Are you talking about the BAttery plugin under Menu Extras? It won't let me 
>> open that.  Or do I need to look elsewhere in the Core SErvices folder?
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmmm.  I wouldn't bother doing another repair after this, as some items 
>>> just don't seem to repair themselves.  How about you try the following:
>>> 
>>> * Go to your Finder.
>>> * Open your Macintosh HD
>>> * Open the System folder.
>>> * Open the Library folder
>>> * Open the Core Services folder.
>>> * Open the Battery item.
>>> 
>>> Now try accessing your Menu Extras again with VO-m-m and see if the Battery 
>>> Status menu is available.  If it is, then do the same process to get some 
>>> of the other extras back onto the Status Menus.  If that doesn't do it, let 
>>> me know.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Jane  wrote:
>>> 
 I am repairing permissions for the third tie now and I am down to one 
 permission that needs to be repaired. Interestingly, it has nothing to do 
 with Status menus. It has to do with Safari. I still can't access the 
 extra menus, though.
 Jane
 
 
 
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Don't rush to the reformat, that is a drastic and usually unnecessary 
> task.  Try to do a repair permissions first.  To do so...
> 
> * Go to the Finder.
> * Press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
> * Navigate to the Disk Utility app and open it.
> * From the table of disks, select your Macintosh HD.
> * Stop Interacting with the table and select the First Aid tab.
> * Navigate to the Repair Disk Permissions button and press it with 
> VO-space.
> * Wait patiently as it does its task.
> 
> Sometimes this needs performed more than once to fix most permission 
> errors.  In some cases, you'll need to perform this from the Recovery 
> Partition, but I'll wait to see if this does the job first.  By the way, 
> what exactly happens when you press the VO-m-m command?  Is there an 
> alert sound or simply takes you somewhere but no Menu Extras are 
> available.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> Yep, I have tried with both. It doesn't work I bet I am going to have to 
>> reformat and re-install once I have stuff backed up, *sigh*
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:13 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>>  Are you using VO-m twice or control-F8 to get to the status menus?  
>>> This is not typical behavior.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
>>> Mountain Lion
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Jane  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there.
 I tried both cycling VO off and on and a re-start of this computer. It 
 didn't make a difference. Any other thoughts?
 
 Jane
 
 
 
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I would just suggest either cycling VO off then on or restarting your 
> Mac.  This is not normal behaviour so, something has become confused. 
>  The cycling off/on of VO may do the trick but the restart is best 
> and if that doesn't fix it, then post again.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Robert C  wrote:
> 
>> Fu

Re: Status Menus Are Gone

2014-04-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
No, it shouldn't affect anything like that.  The registration is already 
attached to your machine so it will not be lost.  If these other machines are 
no longer yours, or no longer functioning, let me know and I'll help you 
reauthorize them so you have more available authorizations.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 17, 2014, at 5:44 PM, Jane  wrote:

> If I do this, am I going to have to somehow re-authorize thiwcomputer? I 
> think I have maybe one authorization left.
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:26 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> That should be the one.  It's starting to look like you may need to do a 
>> re-install.  I wouldn't go the total clean install route yet.  You could try 
>> the "Re-install" option in the Recovery partition.  This would install the 
>> newest MacOS onto your system, hopefully fixing any issues that exist.  A 
>> good backup is preferred prior to attempting this but it is quicker and less 
>> problematic than a clean install.  I think it's worth a try for you.
>> 
>> Let me know if you need assistance getting started with this if you choose 
>> to go this way.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jane  wrote:
>> 
>>> Are you talking about the BAttery plugin under Menu Extras? It won't let me 
>>> open that.  Or do I need to look elsewhere in the Core SErvices folder?
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hmmm.  I wouldn't bother doing another repair after this, as some items 
 just don't seem to repair themselves.  How about you try the following:
 
 * Go to your Finder.
 * Open your Macintosh HD
 * Open the System folder.
 * Open the Library folder
 * Open the Core Services folder.
 * Open the Battery item.
 
 Now try accessing your Menu Extras again with VO-m-m and see if the 
 Battery Status menu is available.  If it is, then do the same process to 
 get some of the other extras back onto the Status Menus.  If that doesn't 
 do it, let me know.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Jane  wrote:
 
> I am repairing permissions for the third tie now and I am down to one 
> permission that needs to be repaired. Interestingly, it has nothing to do 
> with Status menus. It has to do with Safari. I still can't access the 
> extra menus, though.
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Don't rush to the reformat, that is a drastic and usually unnecessary 
>> task.  Try to do a repair permissions first.  To do so...
>> 
>> * Go to the Finder.
>> * Press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
>> * Navigate to the Disk Utility app and open it.
>> * From the table of disks, select your Macintosh HD.
>> * Stop Interacting with the table and select the First Aid tab.
>> * Navigate to the Repair Disk Permissions button and press it with 
>> VO-space.
>> * Wait patiently as it does its task.
>> 
>> Sometimes this needs performed more than once to fix most permission 
>> errors.  In some cases, you'll need to perform this from the Recovery 
>> Partition, but I'll wait to see if this does the job first.  By the way, 
>> what exactly happens when you press the VO-m-m command?  Is there an 
>> alert sound or simply takes you somewhere but no Menu Extras are 
>> available.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Jane  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, I have tried with both. It doesn't work I bet I am going to have 
>>> to reformat and re-install once I have stuff backed up, *sigh*
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:13 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
  Are you using VO-m twice or control-F8 to get to the status menus?  
 This is not typical behavior.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
 Mountain Lion
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Jane  wrote:
 
> Hi there.
> I tried both cycling VO off and on and a re-start of this computer. 
> It didn't make a difference. Any other thoughts?
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Tim Ki

Re: Pages improvement

2014-04-17 Thread ramy moustafa
Will my vo spots will be saved on i cloud or what?

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 17, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Jessica  wrote:
> 
> When did pages get an update?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Isaac,
>> 
>> To set a hotspot, go to the place you want to put the hotspot and press 
>> VO-Shift-plus a number from 0 to 9. To jump to the hotspot, press VO-number. 
>> To consult the hotspot, press VO-Cmd-number.
>> 
>> So, in Pages, if you set a hotspot with the number 1, you can press VO-Cmd-1 
>> anywhere within your text and hear the name of the paragraph style currently 
>> active.
>> 
>> You can also jump straight to the Paragraph styles button by pressing VO-1 
>> in this case.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Apr 2014, at 16:37, isaac  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How do you set up hotspots?
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 The latest update to Pages brought a big improvement. There is no longer 
 any need to interact with the Paragraph styles button to hear the name of 
 the style. This means that we can now set a hotspot on that button and 
 consult it from within the document. Also, we can find the short cut for a 
 given style by interacting with the styles table and the short cut is 
 shown beside the name.
 
 Cheers,
 
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Hotspots and Web Spots in Safari

2014-04-17 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all,
I am working on a Safari article for new Mac users, and I thought I'd cover 
hotspots and web spots. Now, though, I don't know if I should. Here's what i 
did to try out hotspots:

1. I went to an open page in Safari, navigated to a heading partway down it, 
and pressed vo-shift-1.
2. I hit vo-left a few times, then vo-1, and was taken to my spot. Great.
3. I moved to the top of the page, tabbed a couple times, and hit vo-1. Nothing 
at all happened.
4. I pressed vo-1 again, chose my spot from the Hotspots menu, and nothing 
happened.
5. I hit vo-cmd-1, and was told the hotspot no longer exists.

Did I do it wrong? I try hotspots every so often, and each time I remember why 
I never use them... I'd love to know I'm wrong and that they work great, but 
they seem like a broken and neglected feature to me. Thanks for any input.

I did try Web Spots, and they didn't break immediately. However, I really like 
that hotspots are associated with numbers; web spots require you to move 
through a list sequentially, right? Are there major problems with web spots as 
well, or do they work reliably?

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Re: Status Menus Are Gone

2014-04-17 Thread Cara Quinn
Hi Jane,

Out of curiosity, have you checked your cursor tracking settings? It sounds 
like your VO cursor might be routed to your mouse pointer.

This is just a guess but it might be worth a look before you go the route of a 
reinstall.

HTH


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On Apr 17, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Jane  wrote:

If I do this, am I going to have to somehow re-authorize thiwcomputer? I think 
I have maybe one authorization left.

Jane




On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:26 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> That should be the one.  It's starting to look like you may need to do a 
> re-install.  I wouldn't go the total clean install route yet.  You could try 
> the "Re-install" option in the Recovery partition.  This would install the 
> newest MacOS onto your system, hopefully fixing any issues that exist.  A 
> good backup is preferred prior to attempting this but it is quicker and less 
> problematic than a clean install.  I think it's worth a try for you.
> 
> Let me know if you need assistance getting started with this if you choose to 
> go this way.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> Are you talking about the BAttery plugin under Menu Extras? It won't let me 
>> open that.  Or do I need to look elsewhere in the Core SErvices folder?
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmmm.  I wouldn't bother doing another repair after this, as some items 
>>> just don't seem to repair themselves.  How about you try the following:
>>> 
>>> * Go to your Finder.
>>> * Open your Macintosh HD
>>> * Open the System folder.
>>> * Open the Library folder
>>> * Open the Core Services folder.
>>> * Open the Battery item.
>>> 
>>> Now try accessing your Menu Extras again with VO-m-m and see if the Battery 
>>> Status menu is available.  If it is, then do the same process to get some 
>>> of the other extras back onto the Status Menus.  If that doesn't do it, let 
>>> me know.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Jane  wrote:
>>> 
 I am repairing permissions for the third tie now and I am down to one 
 permission that needs to be repaired. Interestingly, it has nothing to do 
 with Status menus. It has to do with Safari. I still can't access the 
 extra menus, though.
 Jane
 
 
 
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Don't rush to the reformat, that is a drastic and usually unnecessary 
> task.  Try to do a repair permissions first.  To do so...
> 
> * Go to the Finder.
> * Press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
> * Navigate to the Disk Utility app and open it.
> * From the table of disks, select your Macintosh HD.
> * Stop Interacting with the table and select the First Aid tab.
> * Navigate to the Repair Disk Permissions button and press it with 
> VO-space.
> * Wait patiently as it does its task.
> 
> Sometimes this needs performed more than once to fix most permission 
> errors.  In some cases, you'll need to perform this from the Recovery 
> Partition, but I'll wait to see if this does the job first.  By the way, 
> what exactly happens when you press the VO-m-m command?  Is there an 
> alert sound or simply takes you somewhere but no Menu Extras are 
> available.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> Yep, I have tried with both. It doesn't work I bet I am going to have to 
>> reformat and re-install once I have stuff backed up, *sigh*
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:13 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>>  Are you using VO-m twice or control-F8 to get to the status menus?  
>>> This is not typical behavior.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
>>> Mountain Lion
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Jane  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there.
 I tried both cycling VO off and on and a re-start of this computer. It 
 didn't make a difference. Any other thoughts?
 
 Jane
 
 
 
 
 On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I wou

Moderator Note -was- Re: slightly ot: icloud based audio discription indiegogo project.

2014-04-17 Thread Cara Quinn
Hi All,

While Kevin is correct in saying that I do support what he / Zagga is doing, 
please let me remind you all that this conversation is now straying way too far 
off topic for this list.

I was personally hoping to post about Zagga myself since they have specific 
plans to actively support Mac and iOS customers, looks like y'all beat me to 
it. :)

Please though, let's keep this discussion to Mac and iOS. If we can do that 
then discussing Zagga here is just fine. If we cannot, then we will need to 
move on.

I would encourage all those who are interested in this service to check out 
their campaign.

Thanks All and have a wonderful evening!...

Smiles,

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On Apr 17, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

No offense, but I've seen companies like this, and they usually fall. Countless 
companies that claimed to make inexpensive braille displays and such, that 
simple didn't show any progress. Talkingflicks has done the same. So I have 
little hope for those upstart company, no matter how much lip service they give 
us.


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> On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:05, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
> thanks!
> I hope this gets off the ground!
> I'd shell out for it myself.
> Cait
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Sharing in case this has not been posted here.
>> What I love about this company besides the strong effort making the platform 
>> work is their ethical commitment.   Unlike the "no one cares about blind 
>> people so we will steal content," approach.  This is a real company who is 
>> providing a variety of the many many describes titles, and doing it on a 
>> global platform.  If you cannot contribute to the Indiegogo campaign,  I 
>> hope you will share this far and wide.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zagga-entertainment-ltd/x/6442652#home
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Kare
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Re: Hotspots and Web Spots in Safari

2014-04-17 Thread Cara Quinn
Hi Alex,

I believe you may be seeing an issue where the heading you marked is no longer 
visible.

When a hotspot moves out of the visible screen area or somehow becomes 
invisible, VoiceOver can no longer move to it.

So no, hotspots are not broken. One just needs to understand that these are 
based on visual screen layout. Arguably this may not be the best or easiest 
approach for the average blind / visually impaired user, but this is what we 
have for the moment.

Perhaps a spoken message letting the user know that the particular hotspot has 
moved out of visual range may be in order.

Hope this helps and have a great night!

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On Apr 17, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Hi all,
I am working on a Safari article for new Mac users, and I thought I'd cover 
hotspots and web spots. Now, though, I don't know if I should. Here's what i 
did to try out hotspots:

1. I went to an open page in Safari, navigated to a heading partway down it, 
and pressed vo-shift-1.
2. I hit vo-left a few times, then vo-1, and was taken to my spot. Great.
3. I moved to the top of the page, tabbed a couple times, and hit vo-1. Nothing 
at all happened.
4. I pressed vo-1 again, chose my spot from the Hotspots menu, and nothing 
happened.
5. I hit vo-cmd-1, and was told the hotspot no longer exists.

Did I do it wrong? I try hotspots every so often, and each time I remember why 
I never use them... I'd love to know I'm wrong and that they work great, but 
they seem like a broken and neglected feature to me. Thanks for any input.

I did try Web Spots, and they didn't break immediately. However, I really like 
that hotspots are associated with numbers; web spots require you to move 
through a list sequentially, right? Are there major problems with web spots as 
well, or do they work reliably?

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Re: Pages improvement

2014-04-17 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Nic,

Once you're in your document, does consulting the hotspot on the paragraph 
styles button give you correct information? For me it does. However, there are 
many fields that don't display a change until you've moved away from them, and 
the paragraph styles button seems to be one of them.

Another good thing is that the hotspots remain associated with the particular 
document. I reopened a document I was playing with last night, and when I 
consulted the hotspot on the paragraph styles button, it reported everything 
correctly and I didn't have to reset the hotspot.

Apart from merge fields, the other big improvement or correction I'm also 
waiting for, is correct reporting of the position of the insertion point. I'm 
glad to say that more and more people are getting annoyed about this and 
reporting back to Apple.

Another outstanding bug is the messy way we have to set tab stops.

Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Apr 2014, at 01:21, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Hi Ann,
> 
> That's great news about the hotspots and I have been getting a lot of use out 
> of the latest Pages. Setting shortcuts for paragraph styles is so much easier 
> now too.
> 
> However, the update to the paragraph styles button is a bit of a double edged 
> sword. It seems to always display the same paragraph style even when you 
> change it. As I import many documents from Word, these usually start off 
> saying, "Normal". But even when I change the paragraph style to something 
> like "Body" or "Heading" the paragraph styles button continues to say 
> "Normal". It is not until I interact with the paragraph styles button that 
> VoiceOver will read the correct paragraph style name.
> 
> This leaves the misreported keyboard cursor point and the problem with 
> selecting text which wraps a page as the main bugs outstanding. Then if they 
> could bring back merged fields we'd be laughing. Is there much else I'm 
> forgetting?
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Re: Keyboard Focus / Voice Over Cursor / Mouse Pointer

2014-04-17 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Robert,

What you hear when typing depends on how you have your keyboard echo set. What 
your correspondent has written can be read automatically in Skype if you have 
Growl installed, otherwise you need to navigate to it.

Cheers,

Anne


On 17 Apr 2014, at 20:23, Robert C  wrote:

> Anne,
>   This is an old message but of interest. Specifically, the cursor tracking 
> when in a chat environment.
> 
>   If tracking is off, keyboard fozus is on the edit field, and VO is on the 
> text the other person types, do you hear both spoken  or do you need to use 
> commands? This is new to me and I wish to try a chat soon with a friend.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> Politicians and diapers have one thing in common.
> They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason.
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> On 1/24/2014 11:32 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> Hello Lee,
>> 
>> The keyboard focus is the position of the insertion point, which is shown on 
>> the screen as a tiny line between two characters. This is where your text 
>> will start if you begin typing.
>> The VoiceOver cursor is shown as a box around an area on the screen and you 
>> can change its size in the VoiceOver utility.
>> Normally the keyboard focus and the VoiceOver cursor are tied together so 
>> that VoiceOver tells you where you can enter information, but in a chat, you 
>> want to be able to read what the other person has written without moving the 
>> insertion point from the field where you type your reply, so you turn cursor 
>> tracking off.
>> 
>> In general, we don't need to worry about the mouse cursor, but some 
>> operations require the mouse to be on a specific element, in which case, you 
>> can bring the mouse cursor to the VO cursor with VO-Cmd-F5 if you don't have 
>> the mouse cursor tied to the other cursors already.
>> I prefer not to have my mouse cursor tied to the other cursors as I find it 
>> can cause some irritating jumping around.
>> 
>> Mouse keys allows you to pilot the mouse using either the numpad or the 
>> letter keys on the righthand side of the keyboard.
>> 
>> In VoiceOver utility, you can tell VO to speak the text under the mouse with 
>> no delay so that you can hear where your mouse pointer is. Moving the mouse 
>> pointer in this way can make some elements accessible which the VoiceOver 
>> cursor can't reach.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 25 Jan 2014, at 02:40, Lee Jones  wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear List I don't understand the difference between keyboard focus and 
>>> voice over cursor. What can you do with one that you can't do withthe the 
>>> other? Do people find mouse keys useful? There are shortcuts for mouse up 
>>> mouse down, double click etc but I am not sure what they would be used for. 
>>> In setttings is it best to have keyboard focus vo cursor and mouse pointer 
>>> following each other or moving separately? I am running mavericks.
>>> 
>>> Many Thanks, Lee
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Re: Status Menus Are Gone

2014-04-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

That's a good idea Cara.  I've seen that happen in the past when I've forgot to 
turn cursor tracking back on with VO-shift-f3 after doing whatever.  It did 
cause these sorts of frustrations that didn't seem logical.  Certainly worth a 
try.

Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:38 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:

> Hi Jane,
> 
> Out of curiosity, have you checked your cursor tracking settings? It sounds 
> like your VO cursor might be routed to your mouse pointer.
> 
> This is just a guess but it might be worth a look before you go the route of 
> a reinstall.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
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> On Apr 17, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Jane  wrote:
> 
> If I do this, am I going to have to somehow re-authorize thiwcomputer? I 
> think I have maybe one authorization left.
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:26 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> That should be the one.  It's starting to look like you may need to do a 
>> re-install.  I wouldn't go the total clean install route yet.  You could try 
>> the "Re-install" option in the Recovery partition.  This would install the 
>> newest MacOS onto your system, hopefully fixing any issues that exist.  A 
>> good backup is preferred prior to attempting this but it is quicker and less 
>> problematic than a clean install.  I think it's worth a try for you.
>> 
>> Let me know if you need assistance getting started with this if you choose 
>> to go this way.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jane  wrote:
>> 
>>> Are you talking about the BAttery plugin under Menu Extras? It won't let me 
>>> open that.  Or do I need to look elsewhere in the Core SErvices folder?
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hmmm.  I wouldn't bother doing another repair after this, as some items 
 just don't seem to repair themselves.  How about you try the following:
 
 * Go to your Finder.
 * Open your Macintosh HD
 * Open the System folder.
 * Open the Library folder
 * Open the Core Services folder.
 * Open the Battery item.
 
 Now try accessing your Menu Extras again with VO-m-m and see if the 
 Battery Status menu is available.  If it is, then do the same process to 
 get some of the other extras back onto the Status Menus.  If that doesn't 
 do it, let me know.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Jane  wrote:
 
> I am repairing permissions for the third tie now and I am down to one 
> permission that needs to be repaired. Interestingly, it has nothing to do 
> with Status menus. It has to do with Safari. I still can't access the 
> extra menus, though.
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Don't rush to the reformat, that is a drastic and usually unnecessary 
>> task.  Try to do a repair permissions first.  To do so...
>> 
>> * Go to the Finder.
>> * Press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
>> * Navigate to the Disk Utility app and open it.
>> * From the table of disks, select your Macintosh HD.
>> * Stop Interacting with the table and select the First Aid tab.
>> * Navigate to the Repair Disk Permissions button and press it with 
>> VO-space.
>> * Wait patiently as it does its task.
>> 
>> Sometimes this needs performed more than once to fix most permission 
>> errors.  In some cases, you'll need to perform this from the Recovery 
>> Partition, but I'll wait to see if this does the job first.  By the way, 
>> what exactly happens when you press the VO-m-m command?  Is there an 
>> alert sound or simply takes you somewhere but no Menu Extras are 
>> available.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Jane  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, I have tried with both. It doesn't work I bet I am going to have 
>>> to reformat and re-install once I have stuff backed up, *sigh*
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:13 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
  Are you using VO-m twice or control-F8 to get to the status menus?  
 This is not typical behavior.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
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Any way to reach status menu items that do not fit on the screen?

2014-04-17 Thread Vic
Hi,
I noticed that VoiceOver does not allow reaching the status menu items that 
do not fit on the screen. For example, if my screen only fits a certain 
number of status menu icons, I seem not to be able to beyond them, i.e. 
activate the ones that are off-screen and need to be scrolled to.

Any ideas if this can be resolved?? I'd like to avoid closing some of my 
running apps if I don't have to.

Thanks,
Vic


PS This is on Mac OS (Maverick).

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