Re: My FaceTime Window is Unresponsive

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Teresa,

That is strange behavior and I just wanted to let you know I am not 
experiencing any of those issues. Besides the obvious of a restart and logging 
out of your iCloud and logging back in I can't help you. Good luck figuring it 
out. Will keep my ears open and let you know if I hear anything about this one.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:48 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, all,
> 
> I've never used Facetime before, so I thought I'd poke around a bit. I 
> assumed I had signed into it with the latest Os X update, and I got an email 
> saying that my computer was using my Apple iD for Facetime. when I opened the 
> window, I got the Window control buttons, but nothing else. When I found 
> preferences in the Facetime menu, it was dimmed. where do I go from here?
> 
> Thanks,
> teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
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Re: quality of music output when played from an iPod

[Christopher Hallsworth]

My view is because of the speakers on the iPod Touch. To me they sound so tinny 
that it's hard to impossible to decipher what's in the music. Little to no bass 
and too much of the higher frequencies. Just my £0.02 worth.
On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:13, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Recently I have had occasion to compare the sound of my actual CDs juxtaposed 
> with the imported versions of those same CDs played on the same speakers, but 
> played from my 4th gen touch.  There's a noticeable degradation in sound 
> quality when the music is played from my ipod.  Just wondering if others have 
> noticed this, and what, if anything you've done to compensate?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Folder Action New Item Alert Now Works In Latest Mavericks Update

[David Taylor]

I get a no services apply message when I enter the services menu and all 
options are dimmed.

Cheers
Dave

On 26 Feb 2014, at 02:10, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm happy to report that the folder actions script for notifying when a new 
> item is downloaded now works properly. This is a wonderful little utility 
> that Finder has. Basically, you find the folder you want, go to the finder 
> menu, and choose services submenu, then folder actions setup. A dialog opens 
> up and you can select the script you want to run when a particular action is 
> done to a folder. I always liked being notified when a new item was placed in 
> my downloads folder. Unfortunately, the script didn't work when Mavericks 
> first came out. Now it does. :)
> 
> Teresa
> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Great. I will use web spots then.

> On 25 Feb 2014, at 11:54 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Oh my God, I am so happy as Apple finally fixed the direction of web spots in 
> safari. Yes, this was a minor issue but an odd one that always through me. 
> Once again clicking VO command right bracket takes you down a page and 
> clicking VO command left bracket takes you up the page to the web spots you 
> have set. For those of you who do not use web spots I would highly suggest 
> using them on sites you frequent a lot if there are parts of the page you 
> want to jump around to quickly. It really will speed up your browsing. Thanks 
> Apple nice job on this one.
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> There was a link in the info about the update that you could activate.  Here 
>> it is in case you’re unable to locate anything:
>> 
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6114?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where can you find the Voiceover-specific release notes? I only found a 
>>> reference to “some Voiceover improvements”.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>>> 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 I don't use braille much, but one note in the update said they fixed some 
 Handytech displays, among other Voiceover fixes. Hopefully your display is 
 among the fixed.
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not 
> come out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some 
> braille displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess 
> not? Maybe sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple 
> will fix this? Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't want much 
> non-fun.
> 
> PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come 
> out the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
> Student accessibility aid.
> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
>> Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I 
>> hope this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean 
>> install.
>> 
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>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Krister Ekstrom]

I will probably get flamed for saying this, but i don't understand why it's so 
important to have conversation count first? I have to listen to the subject and 
other stuff in order to deem it interesting or uninteresting anyway so what 
does it matter where the conversation count is?
What is it that i'm too stupid to understand?
/Krister

25 feb 2014 kl. 21:21 skrev Ray Foret Jr :

> Yes, it is in the progress bar.  One thing I notice right away is that apps 
> tend to open a little more snappy than before, even on start up.  Also, when 
> you come across a conversation in mail, (assuming you have mail set up to 
> display messages by conversation) the conversation message count is given 
> first.  Now, if only they would put the read or unread status right after it, 
> now that would be sweet.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> I think it does, but I noticed it in the progress bar as I was updating.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
>> Feynman
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Daniel McGee  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Haven't performed the update yet myself but how do you know how big the 
>>> file size is?
>>> Does it tell you before the update?
>>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 19:48, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> 
 LOL more's the point. I wasn't paying exact attention to the download 
 size, obviously. :)
 
 teresa
 
 "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
 
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> Try 769MB, lol. Either way, yes, putting it on AC is a good idea.
 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

So how does one read a four message conversation as I have it in standard view 
as I opened a message in mail, and tabbed, but although other messages were 
there, nothing happened.

Kawal.

> On 26 Feb 2014, at 10:22 am, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> I will probably get flamed for saying this, but i don't understand why it's 
> so important to have conversation count first? I have to listen to the 
> subject and other stuff in order to deem it interesting or uninteresting 
> anyway so what does it matter where the conversation count is?
> What is it that i'm too stupid to understand?
> /Krister
> 
>> 25 feb 2014 kl. 21:21 skrev Ray Foret Jr :
>> 
>> Yes, it is in the progress bar.  One thing I notice right away is that apps 
>> tend to open a little more snappy than before, even on start up.  Also, when 
>> you come across a conversation in mail, (assuming you have mail set up to 
>> display messages by conversation) the conversation message count is given 
>> first.  Now, if only they would put the read or unread status right after 
>> it, now that would be sweet.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think it does, but I noticed it in the progress bar as I was updating.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
>>> Feynman
>>> 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Daniel McGee  
 wrote:
 
 Haven't performed the update yet myself but how do you know how big the 
 file size is?
 Does it tell you before the update?
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 19:48, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
> LOL more's the point. I wasn't paying exact attention to the download 
> size, obviously. :)
> 
> teresa
> 
> "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Try 769MB, lol. Either way, yes, putting it on AC is a good idea.
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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Piotr Machacz]

I can sort of compare the brailliant to the focus. I've never actually seen a 
focus display, but I can definitely tell you that the Brailliant is much 
quieter - the focus uses the same sells as the PAC mate display, which is very 
noisy. The build quality is also better - aluminium body VS plastic, it's also 
thinner. As far as using it with Apple devices, I have no problems with it, not 
on OS X, not on iOS, or Windows. What it doesn't haves  a joystick though, nor 
any whiz wheels. As far as screen reader support, OS X and iOS is plug and 
play. On Windows, JAWS already installs the focus drivers, so that's something 
you won't have to do. For the brailliant you will need to install them 
yourself, which just envollves running an EXE file. That having been said, I 
really suggest you don't buy JAWS. The new versions are really breaking 
features and FS is sadly not fixing bugs. For office productivity you can use a 
combination of NVDA and Window-eyes, which is now free for users of Office 2010 
or newer. Both of them rely far more on the com interface of office rather than 
screen scraping which translates to a more stable experience and the fact that 
reading is way more accurate And of course, both support both the brailliant 
and focus.

On 24 Feb 2014, at 03:07 am, Aimee Harwood  wrote:

> Hello listers. I am trying to decide what braille display to get. I am going 
> to get at least a 40 but am considering an 80. My main question to you is, 
> those of you that use your displays for work, which is better? Can I use a 40 
> productively, or would I be better off with an 80?
> 
> Next is the question about connectivity. I currently have all Apple products, 
> but know that when I finally find an employer that will give me a chance, I 
> will most likely will ,e using Windows and probably JAWS. Which display will 
> keep my hands on the display more and reduce the amount of time going back 
> and forth between display and keyboard? 
> 
> If I end up going with a 40 cell display, which one works more seamlessly 
> with the iPhone, and MacBook Pro? 
> 
> Is there a display that can be paired with more than one device? Like with my 
> Refreshabraille, I have to make sure my iPad is turned off if I want to use 
> it with my iPhone, or I have to tell one device to forget it before I can use 
> it with the other.
> 
> Which displays can be supported and repaired in the United States? Is Freedom 
> Scintific's maintenance agreement worth the price and worth choosing a Focus 
> even if it isn't your favorite just to have the agreement?
> 
> Here are the displays that I am considering I currently use a Refreshabraille 
> and like the feel of the dots, like the keyboard, and like the joystick. With 
> that in mind with all the other comments and concerns, which display would be 
> a better fit for me?
> 
> Brailliant BI
> VarioConnect
> Braille edge
> Focus
> Active Braille
> 
> Feel free to make any other recommendations if I haven't listed one that you 
> think would be a good fit. I am trying to get my hands on some of these but 
> may not be able to get my hands on all of them.
> 
> I have been reading a lot of archived messages and looking at sites where 
> they are sold, but I still ckn't figure out which will be the best fit. 
> Unfortunately people don't go to sites and give feedback. I really haven't 
> found a lot of reviews online or on youtube. Any and all help or suggestions 
> would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Aimee 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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How to Remove FaceTime Favourites

[Nicholas Parsons]

I can't work out how to remove contacts from the favourites table in FaceTime 
on the Mac. Pressing the edit button doesn't seem to do anything, neither does 
command delete, delete, VO-Shift-M, and physically control clicking the 
TrackPad. Any ideas?
Thanks,
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Nicholas Parsons]

The conversation count is important for two reasons. Firstly, I may have 
already read the first message in the conversation, and would thus normally 
skip the thread if I didn't hear that there were more messages in the 
conversation. Thus, if the conversation count is read early I can know that new 
messages have arrived which might be worth reading. Secondly, if I hear the 
subject and preview and the message sounds uninteresting, I'd normally delete 
the message immediately. If, however, I knew that there were many messages in 
the conversation then I might be more interested in opening it to see what the 
later messages said.

As for how to read the messages in a thread, first open the conversation, then 
stop interacting, then use VO and the arrow keys to move between the different 
messages.

Cheers,
Nic

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a quick question about the bard mobile ap

[Dana]

Does anyone know I have figured out how to find books put them in my wish 
list but nott how to download them on the bard  ap can someone tell me how 
it is done?

Thanks
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Re: Folder Action New Item Alert Now Works In Latest Mavericks Update

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Hi all
I cannot get this to work. I select Folder Actions Setup but nothing happens 
when I click on it. Any ideas?
On 26 Feb 2014, at 02:10, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm happy to report that the folder actions script for notifying when a new 
> item is downloaded now works properly. This is a wonderful little utility 
> that Finder has. Basically, you find the folder you want, go to the finder 
> menu, and choose services submenu, then folder actions setup. A dialog opens 
> up and you can select the script you want to run when a particular action is 
> done to a folder. I always liked being notified when a new item was placed in 
> my downloads folder. Unfortunately, the script didn't work when Mavericks 
> first came out. Now it does. :)
> 
> Teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
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Mouse pointer in braille?

[Jessica]

Hi
I sometimes use my braille note apex as a braille display with my Mac. Can I 
see the mouse pointer in braille on my display? If so, can someone please tell 
me how?

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Re: a quick question about the bard mobile ap

[Ray Foret Jr]

Sure.  Just go to your wish list on the app, then, when you find a book, double 
tap on it.  You will get a doalog asking if you want to download the book.  
Answer yes to this.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:47 AM, Dana  wrote:

> Does anyone know I have figured out how to find books put them in my wish 
> list but nott how to download them on the bard  ap can someone tell me how it 
> is done?
> Thanks
> Dana
> Skype and twitter ID's both the same
> djkitty73 
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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Amy,

I haven't followed this thread closely, so my apologies if this has already 
been covered.

Part of the difficulty in what you are asking is that to a large extent, this 
is a very subjective choice.  What bothers me may not bother you.  What you 
consider noisy, I may not.  So it's difficult to anticipate what another person 
might like or dislike.

That said, I don't know if this display was on your list, but I'd strongly 
suggest that you consider the Hims Braille Edge.  To my thinking, the keys are 
very quiet.  It works quite well with both my Mac and my iPhone.  It has a 
Perkins keyboard, and you can do text entry from the display.  It has 40 cells, 
and  connects either via bluetooth or USB.  I know one person who finds the 
keyboard set up awkward.  I can see why he would say that, but personally I've 
gotten used to it, and don't even notice anymore.  The big thing that I think 
puts this display ahead of all the rest is that it has a small, built-in word 
processor.  this means, that if you want, you can read a book just using your 
display without having to use any other device.  I use that feature constantly. 
 It's also handy if you need to take notes in a meeting, jot down a note, or 
what have you.  I prefer this when in a meeting, because it avoids the noise of 
the iphone or iPad and consequently the need for a headphone.  the only other 
displays I know of with this feature are the HandyTech displays, which I would 
strongly recommend you stay away from  If you're in the U.S., I had a horrible 
experience with the U.S. HandyTech dealer.  I will never do business with him 
again, and would discourage other to avoid him.  The other thing I dislike 
about the HandyTech products is that at least when I tried them, which was 
several years ago now, the file transfer between the display and computer was 
very kludgy and slow.  The Hims Braille Edge just uses and SD card, so it's 
much easier to get files back and forth.  It also has a built-in calendar and 
calculator, though I very rarely use that, as I typically perform those 
functions on my phone.

If you're in the U.S. and you can swing it financially, I'd strongly suggest 
you go to the CSUN conference in San Diego, being held the week of March 17.  
they have a large exhibit hall, and you would be able to try out each display 
that you are considering directly.

Just my $.02.  Good luck!
Best,
Donna
On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:55 PM, Aimee Harwood  wrote:

> Hello Jonathan. I actually agree that the prices have come down a good bit. I 
> am getting the display purchased for me, so I can go for the larger display 
> if need be. I had hoped that you would have given me some of your wonderful 
> insight on pros and cons of the displays that I had listed. I currently don't 
> have any access to JAWS but may in the future.  
> 
> I spent the afternoon with the focus 40 connected to my iPad and used it to 
> type some lengthy notes. To me it was a good bit noisier all the way  around 
> compared to my Refreshabraille. The keys were louder and the display changing 
> pins around was louder as well. I had to get used to putting my pinkies back 
> to work again. They don't have anything to do on my Refreshabraille. I did 
> decide that the 40 cells will be better for me. It took me a bit to get used 
> to having the space bar further away from my other fingers, but after a while 
> it was pretty comfortable. 
> 
> So is there anyone that can from experience, give me some pros and coms of 
> the displays I listed in my original message? If possible, please focus more 
> on Apple products when giving those pros and coms. 
> 
> 
> I really like to do a lot of research and comparing before a purchase is made 
> so that I don't regret my choice down the road.I greatly appreciate everyones 
> input so far.
> 
> Aimee 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
>> I think it's also important to remember that there has been downward 
>> pressure on Braille display prices over the last decade. In 2004, you'd be 
>> looking at at least $5,000 USD for a 40 cell display. Manufacturing 
>> processes have improved and you can now get a 40 cell display for $2800 USD. 
>> I realise that's still a lot of money and it would be good to see prices 
>> drop further if manufacturing costs allow, but when you take inflation into 
>> account, that's one massive reduction and manufacturers are not keeping the 
>> cost savings to themselves and making higher profits.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>> On 25/02/2014, at 3:38 am, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there 
>>> I don't think it's realistic for us to expect braille displays to go down 
>>> that much in the foreseeable future. There's just not that many of us, 
>>> relatively speaking, who need or want them. Even if braille once again 
>>> became the hottest thing for us the way it s

Re: Folder Action New Item Alert Now Works In Latest Mavericks Update

[Richard Ring]

Hello!
When I point to my downloads folder and then go to the finder services submenu, 
and choose folder action setup, the dialog doesn't open with either VO space, 
or enter. Are there scripts I need to install?


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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm happy to report that the folder actions script for notifying when a new 
> item is downloaded now works properly. This is a wonderful little utility 
> that Finder has. Basically, you find the folder you want, go to the finder 
> menu, and choose services submenu, then folder actions setup. A dialog opens 
> up and you can select the script you want to run when a particular action is 
> done to a folder. I always liked being notified when a new item was placed in 
> my downloads folder. Unfortunately, the script didn't work when Mavericks 
> first came out. Now it does. :)
> 
> Teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
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Re: quality of music output when played from an iPod

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Chris,

I agree 100%.  but in this case I'm actually listening on my regular stereo 
speakers, so the Touch speaker is irrelevant.
Cheers,
Donna
On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:40 AM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

> My view is because of the speakers on the iPod Touch. To me they sound so 
> tinny that it's hard to impossible to decipher what's in the music. Little to 
> no bass and too much of the higher frequencies. Just my £0.02 worth.
> On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:13, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Recently I have had occasion to compare the sound of my actual CDs 
>> juxtaposed with the imported versions of those same CDs played on the same 
>> speakers, but played from my 4th gen touch.  There's a noticeable 
>> degradation in sound quality when the music is played from my ipod.  Just 
>> wondering if others have noticed this, and what, if anything you've done to 
>> compensate?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Daniel McGee]

Nic and all who use this method of conversation viewing.
Once you've opened the message and use the VO keys to move through the messages 
in this latest update do you get the extra chatter from Voiceover where it will 
mention stuff like the email address the subject line again and other stuff I 
can't remember for now.
Is there anyway to stop getting this extra chatter from Voiceover?

Thanks

Daniel
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> The conversation count is important for two reasons. Firstly, I may have 
> already read the first message in the conversation, and would thus normally 
> skip the thread if I didn't hear that there were more messages in the 
> conversation. Thus, if the conversation count is read early I can know that 
> new messages have arrived which might be worth reading. Secondly, if I hear 
> the subject and preview and the message sounds uninteresting, I'd normally 
> delete the message immediately. If, however, I knew that there were many 
> messages in the conversation then I might be more interested in opening it to 
> see what the later messages said.
> 
> As for how to read the messages in a thread, first open the conversation, 
> then stop interacting, then use VO and the arrow keys to move between the 
> different messages.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nic
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Re: My FaceTime Window is Unresponsive

[Alex Hall]

That is exactly what happened to me as well. Eventually, I opened the contacts 
app, went to the contact I wanted to call, and activated the FaceTime button 
from there.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:48, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> I’ve never used Facetime before, so I thought I’d poke around a bit. I 
> assumed I had signed into it with the latest Os X update, and I got an email 
> saying that my computer was using my Apple iD for Facetime. when I opened the 
> window, I got the Window control buttons, but nothing else. When I found 
> preferences in the Facetime menu, it was dimmed. where do I go from here?
> 
> Thanks,
> teresa
> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[isaac]

I haven't heard voiceover give that extra chatter  since I updated to the new 
version of mavericks.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Daniel McGee  wrote:

> Nic and all who use this method of conversation viewing.
> Once you've opened the message and use the VO keys to move through the 
> messages in this latest update do you get the extra chatter from Voiceover 
> where it will mention stuff like the email address the subject line again and 
> other stuff I can't remember for now.
> Is there anyway to stop getting this extra chatter from Voiceover?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Daniel
> On 26 Feb 2014, at 11:41, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> The conversation count is important for two reasons. Firstly, I may have 
>> already read the first message in the conversation, and would thus normally 
>> skip the thread if I didn't hear that there were more messages in the 
>> conversation. Thus, if the conversation count is read early I can know that 
>> new messages have arrived which might be worth reading. Secondly, if I hear 
>> the subject and preview and the message sounds uninteresting, I'd normally 
>> delete the message immediately. If, however, I knew that there were many 
>> messages in the conversation then I might be more interested in opening it 
>> to see what the later messages said.
>> 
>> As for how to read the messages in a thread, first open the conversation, 
>> then stop interacting, then use VO and the arrow keys to move between the 
>> different messages.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Nic
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Re: My FaceTime Window is Unresponsive

[isaac]

Yesterday when I tried to start a FaceTime audio call yesterday I got a message 
saying FaceTime failed and a hang up sound.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:10 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> That is exactly what happened to me as well. Eventually, I opened the 
> contacts app, went to the contact I wanted to call, and activated the 
> FaceTime button from there.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:48, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> I've never used Facetime before, so I thought I'd poke around a bit. I 
>> assumed I had signed into it with the latest Os X update, and I got an email 
>> saying that my computer was using my Apple iD for Facetime. when I opened 
>> the window, I got the Window control buttons, but nothing else. When I found 
>> preferences in the Facetime menu, it was dimmed. where do I go from here?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> teresa
>> 
>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>> 
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Re: Folder Action New Item Alert Now Works In Latest Mavericks Update

[Chris H]

Oh great! You are having the same problem as me then.

Regards Chris

On 26/02/2014 12:27, Richard Ring wrote:

Hello!
When I point to my downloads folder and then go to the finder services submenu, 
and choose folder action setup, the dialog doesn't open with either VO space, 
or enter. Are there scripts I need to install?


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On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:


Hi all,

I'm happy to report that the folder actions script for notifying when a new 
item is downloaded now works properly. This is a wonderful little utility that 
Finder has. Basically, you find the folder you want, go to the finder menu, and 
choose services submenu, then folder actions setup. A dialog opens up and you 
can select the script you want to run when a particular action is done to a 
folder. I always liked being notified when a new item was placed in my 
downloads folder. Unfortunately, the script didn't work when Mavericks first 
came out. Now it does. :)

Teresa

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Re: quality of music output when played from an iPod

[Chris H]

Well I admit I didn't know what you meant by quality. Sorry about that.

Regards Chris

On 26/02/2014 12:27, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi Chris,

I agree 100%.  but in this case I'm actually listening on my regular stereo 
speakers, so the Touch speaker is irrelevant.
Cheers,
Donna
On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:40 AM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:


My view is because of the speakers on the iPod Touch. To me they sound so tinny 
that it's hard to impossible to decipher what's in the music. Little to no bass 
and too much of the higher frequencies. Just my £0.02 worth.
On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:13, Donna Goodin  wrote:


Hi all,

Recently I have had occasion to compare the sound of my actual CDs juxtaposed 
with the imported versions of those same CDs played on the same speakers, but 
played from my 4th gen touch.  There's a noticeable degradation in sound 
quality when the music is played from my ipod.  Just wondering if others have 
noticed this, and what, if anything you've done to compensate?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: How to Remove FaceTime Favourites

[Mario Navarro]

hi nick, you right.
I can not to.
cheers.

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escreveu:

> I can't work out how to remove contacts from the favourites table in FaceTime 
> on the Mac. Pressing the edit button doesn't seem to do anything, neither 
> does command delete, delete, VO-Shift-M, and physically control clicking the 
> TrackPad. Any ideas?
> Thanks,
> Nic
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Re: Folder Action New Item Alert Now Works In Latest Mavericks Update

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
just letting you all know that mine seemed to work.
it's the first time i have ever tried it.
On 27 Feb 2014, at 12:16 am, Chris H  wrote:

> Oh great! You are having the same problem as me then.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
> On 26/02/2014 12:27, Richard Ring wrote:
>> Hello!
>> When I point to my downloads folder and then go to the finder services 
>> submenu, and choose folder action setup, the dialog doesn't open with either 
>> VO space, or enter. Are there scripts I need to install?
>> 
>> 
>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro
>> richr...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm happy to report that the folder actions script for notifying when a new 
>>> item is downloaded now works properly. This is a wonderful little utility 
>>> that Finder has. Basically, you find the folder you want, go to the finder 
>>> menu, and choose services submenu, then folder actions setup. A dialog 
>>> opens up and you can select the script you want to run when a particular 
>>> action is done to a folder. I always liked being notified when a new item 
>>> was placed in my downloads folder. Unfortunately, the script didn't work 
>>> when Mavericks first came out. Now it does. :)
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Alex Hall]

I have. I opened a two-message conversation, stopped interacting once, and 
arrowed. VO read the sender, clicked five times, and only then read the 
message, just as it has done since the first version of Mavericks.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:12 AM, isaac  wrote:

> I haven't heard voiceover give that extra chatter  since I updated to the new 
> version of mavericks.
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Daniel McGee  
> wrote:
> 
>> Nic and all who use this method of conversation viewing.
>> Once you've opened the message and use the VO keys to move through the 
>> messages in this latest update do you get the extra chatter from Voiceover 
>> where it will mention stuff like the email address the subject line again 
>> and other stuff I can't remember for now.
>> Is there anyway to stop getting this extra chatter from Voiceover?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Daniel
>> On 26 Feb 2014, at 11:41, Nicholas Parsons  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The conversation count is important for two reasons. Firstly, I may have 
>>> already read the first message in the conversation, and would thus normally 
>>> skip the thread if I didn't hear that there were more messages in the 
>>> conversation. Thus, if the conversation count is read early I can know that 
>>> new messages have arrived which might be worth reading. Secondly, if I hear 
>>> the subject and preview and the message sounds uninteresting, I'd normally 
>>> delete the message immediately. If, however, I knew that there were many 
>>> messages in the conversation then I might be more interested in opening it 
>>> to see what the later messages said.
>>> 
>>> As for how to read the messages in a thread, first open the conversation, 
>>> then stop interacting, then use VO and the arrow keys to move between the 
>>> different messages.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nic
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Daniel McGee]

cool, will be updating later tonight then or if not then sometime tomorrow.
Looking forward to seeing how the new update works/performs. on my late 2011 13 
inch Mac Book Pro.
On 26 Feb 2014, at 13:12, isaac  wrote:

> I haven't heard voiceover give that extra chatter  since I updated to the new 
> version of mavericks.
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Daniel McGee  
> wrote:
> 
>> Nic and all who use this method of conversation viewing.
>> Once you've opened the message and use the VO keys to move through the 
>> messages in this latest update do you get the extra chatter from Voiceover 
>> where it will mention stuff like the email address the subject line again 
>> and other stuff I can't remember for now.
>> Is there anyway to stop getting this extra chatter from Voiceover?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Daniel
>> On 26 Feb 2014, at 11:41, Nicholas Parsons  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The conversation count is important for two reasons. Firstly, I may have 
>>> already read the first message in the conversation, and would thus normally 
>>> skip the thread if I didn't hear that there were more messages in the 
>>> conversation. Thus, if the conversation count is read early I can know that 
>>> new messages have arrived which might be worth reading. Secondly, if I hear 
>>> the subject and preview and the message sounds uninteresting, I'd normally 
>>> delete the message immediately. If, however, I knew that there were many 
>>> messages in the conversation then I might be more interested in opening it 
>>> to see what the later messages said.
>>> 
>>> As for how to read the messages in a thread, first open the conversation, 
>>> then stop interacting, then use VO and the arrow keys to move between the 
>>> different messages.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nic
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Daniel McGee]

Oh that's disappointing to hear. 
Alex, just saw your message after I sent mine. So wasn't this happening before 
Mavericks then?

Daniel 
On 26 Feb 2014, at 13:37, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I have. I opened a two-message conversation, stopped interacting once, and 
> arrowed. VO read the sender, clicked five times, and only then read the 
> message, just as it has done since the first version of Mavericks.
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:12 AM, isaac  wrote:
> 
>> I haven't heard voiceover give that extra chatter  since I updated to the 
>> new version of mavericks.
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Daniel McGee  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Nic and all who use this method of conversation viewing.
>>> Once you've opened the message and use the VO keys to move through the 
>>> messages in this latest update do you get the extra chatter from Voiceover 
>>> where it will mention stuff like the email address the subject line again 
>>> and other stuff I can't remember for now.
>>> Is there anyway to stop getting this extra chatter from Voiceover?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Daniel
>>> On 26 Feb 2014, at 11:41, Nicholas Parsons  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 The conversation count is important for two reasons. Firstly, I may have 
 already read the first message in the conversation, and would thus 
 normally skip the thread if I didn't hear that there were more messages in 
 the conversation. Thus, if the conversation count is read early I can know 
 that new messages have arrived which might be worth reading. Secondly, if 
 I hear the subject and preview and the message sounds uninteresting, I'd 
 normally delete the message immediately. If, however, I knew that there 
 were many messages in the conversation then I might be more interested in 
 opening it to see what the later messages said.
 
 As for how to read the messages in a thread, first open the conversation, 
 then stop interacting, then use VO and the arrow keys to move between the 
 different messages.
 
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Re: a quick question about the bard mobile ap

[Jessica Moss]

Something I was curious about with that app; the article claimed when it first 
came out, that you could transfer your existing books to the app via itunes, 
but I can't figure out for the life of me how to do this.  Has anyone else been 
able to do this?
  I don't want to have to redownload the same books again, which can take a 
while, and if I'm pressed for time, that can get annoying, so if anyone has 
some tips, I'd really appreciate it.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:18 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Sure.  Just go to your wish list on the app, then, when you find a book, 
> double tap on it.  You will get a doalog asking if you want to download the 
> book.  Answer yes to this.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:47 AM, Dana  wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know I have figured out how to find books put them in my wish 
>> list but nott how to download them on the bard  ap can someone tell me how 
>> it is done?
>> Thanks
>> Dana
>> Skype and twitter ID's both the same
>> djkitty73 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Jessica]

I have n

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:40 AM,not heard any of the extra stuff either.Daniel 
> McGee  wrote:
> 
> cool, will be updating later tonight then or if not then sometime tomorrow.
> Looking forward to seeing how the new update works/performs. on my late 2011 
> 13 inch Mac Book Pro.
>> On 26 Feb 2014, at 13:12, isaac  wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't heard voiceover give that extra chatter  since I updated to the 
>> new version of mavericks.
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Daniel McGee  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nic and all who use this method of conversation viewing.
>>> Once you've opened the message and use the VO keys to move through the 
>>> messages in this latest update do you get the extra chatter from Voiceover 
>>> where it will mention stuff like the email address the subject line again 
>>> and other stuff I can't remember for now.
>>> Is there anyway to stop getting this extra chatter from Voiceover?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Daniel
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 11:41, Nicholas Parsons  
 wrote:
 
 The conversation count is important for two reasons. Firstly, I may have 
 already read the first message in the conversation, and would thus 
 normally skip the thread if I didn't hear that there were more messages in 
 the conversation. Thus, if the conversation count is read early I can know 
 that new messages have arrived which might be worth reading. Secondly, if 
 I hear the subject and preview and the message sounds uninteresting, I'd 
 normally delete the message immediately. If, however, I knew that there 
 were many messages in the conversation then I might be more interested in 
 opening it to see what the later messages said.
 
 As for how to read the messages in a thread, first open the conversation, 
 then stop interacting, then use VO and the arrow keys to move between the 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[isaac]

I have updated last night and the  update works great. 
On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Jessica  wrote:

> I have n
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:40 AM,not heard any of the extra stuff either.Daniel 
>> McGee  wrote:
>> 
>> cool, will be updating later tonight then or if not then sometime tomorrow.
>> Looking forward to seeing how the new update works/performs. on my late 2011 
>> 13 inch Mac Book Pro.
>>> On 26 Feb 2014, at 13:12, isaac  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven't heard voiceover give that extra chatter  since I updated to the 
>>> new version of mavericks.
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Daniel McGee  
 wrote:
 
 Nic and all who use this method of conversation viewing.
 Once you've opened the message and use the VO keys to move through the 
 messages in this latest update do you get the extra chatter from Voiceover 
 where it will mention stuff like the email address the subject line again 
 and other stuff I can't remember for now.
 Is there anyway to stop getting this extra chatter from Voiceover?
 
 Thanks
 
 Daniel
> On 26 Feb 2014, at 11:41, Nicholas Parsons 
>  wrote:
> 
> The conversation count is important for two reasons. Firstly, I may have 
> already read the first message in the conversation, and would thus 
> normally skip the thread if I didn't hear that there were more messages 
> in the conversation. Thus, if the conversation count is read early I can 
> know that new messages have arrived which might be worth reading. 
> Secondly, if I hear the subject and preview and the message sounds 
> uninteresting, I'd normally delete the message immediately. If, however, 
> I knew that there were many messages in the conversation then I might be 
> more interested in opening it to see what the later messages said.
> 
> As for how to read the messages in a thread, first open the conversation, 
> then stop interacting, then use VO and the arrow keys to move between the 
> different messages.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nic
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Portia Scott]

Hello all,

I installed the update last night and it is really awesome. I find it faster 
when going through my applications folder on my MacBook Pro 09 model. It used 
to be slow going through it with quick nag on, but not anymore.

Have a great day, and smile on.

Regards,

Portia.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Can you explain the issues?
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
> 
>> just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not come 
>> out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some braille 
>> displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess not? Maybe 
>> sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple will fix this? 
>> Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't want much non-fun.
>> 
>> PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come out 
>> the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
>> Student accessibility aid.
>> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
>> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
>>> Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope 
>>> this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[isaac]

The only problem I am having is making FaceTime audio calls other then that the 
update process was a smooth and successful process.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:13 AM, Portia Scott  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I installed the update last night and it is really awesome. I find it faster 
> when going through my applications folder on my MacBook Pro 09 model. It used 
> to be slow going through it with quick nag on, but not anymore.
> 
> Have a great day, and smile on.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Portia.
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> Can you explain the issues?
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
>> 
>>> just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not come 
>>> out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some braille 
>>> displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess not? Maybe 
>>> sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple will fix this? 
>>> Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't want much non-fun.
>>> 
>>> PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come out 
>>> the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
>>> Student accessibility aid.
>>> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
>>> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
 small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
 Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I 
 hope this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
 
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Re: PDF documents and filling in PDF forms.

[Nicholas Parsons]

I never knew you could open PDFs in TextEdit. that's cool. I'll need to try 
this as I still have one Mac running Mountain Lion.

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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[David Taylor]

My way of reading messages in a thread is to hit return when I hear the subject 
and backspace to delete each one, no interacting, no nothing. I never interact 
in mail apart from when I move to the folder list, which I have shown, with 
shift-tab

Cheers
Dave

On 26 Feb 2014, at 11:41, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> The conversation count is important for two reasons. Firstly, I may have 
> already read the first message in the conversation, and would thus normally 
> skip the thread if I didn't hear that there were more messages in the 
> conversation. Thus, if the conversation count is read early I can know that 
> new messages have arrived which might be worth reading. Secondly, if I hear 
> the subject and preview and the message sounds uninteresting, I'd normally 
> delete the message immediately. If, however, I knew that there were many 
> messages in the conversation then I might be more interested in opening it to 
> see what the later messages said.
> 
> As for how to read the messages in a thread, first open the conversation, 
> then stop interacting, then use VO and the arrow keys to move between the 
> different messages.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nic
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Nicholas Parsons]

The chatter I get is the word "imbedded", the sender's name and email address, 
then the word "imbedded" repeated twice.

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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[isaac]

Have
 you tried pressing vo j or control option j to interact with the text of the 
message?On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
 wrote:

> The chatter I get is the word "imbedded", the sender's name and email 
> address, then the word "imbedded" repeated twice.
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new mac user please help

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of
course coming from the world of windows I'm totally lost. However I am also
excited to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong
to this great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like
I'm at the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I'm
looking forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My
first questions that I need help with is as follows.
One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in
other languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I've
downloaded the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I
have also added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point
everything is okay.
I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to
Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the
first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start
typing everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to
the Greek voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the
body of the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the
internet.
Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in
the doc but I don't think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
The second problem is I can't find a hotkey for switching voices/languages
with a hotkey.
Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don't want to
always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just
to switch voices or languages, I'm assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for
this action.
Of course I have a thousand more questions but let's start with these, and
hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
I would appreciate any help and advice.
Thanks in advance,
Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
Zoe

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Re: new mac user please help

[isaac]

Hello there welcome to the world of the mac. First you probably would want to 
go through the voiceover  quick start to do that press control option command 
function f 8 to open it then use you're left and right arrows to move forward 
and back through the quick start guide. The quick start will get you started 
with how to use voiceover such as using it to interact with tables and other 
basic voiceover commands you will need to use the mac.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:

> Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of course 
> coming from the world of windows I'm totally lost. However I am also excited 
> to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong to this 
> great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like I'm at 
> the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I'm looking 
> forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
> The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My 
> first questions that I need help with is as follows.
> One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in other 
> languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I've downloaded 
> the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I have also 
> added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point everything is 
> okay.
> I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to 
> Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the 
> first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start typing 
> everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to the Greek 
> voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the body of 
> the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the internet.
> Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in 
> the doc but I don't think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
> The second problem is I can't find a hotkey for switching voices/languages 
> with a hotkey.
> Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don't want to 
> always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just 
> to switch voices or languages, I'm assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for 
> this action.
> Of course I have a thousand more questions but let's start with these, and 
> hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
> I would appreciate any help and advice.
> Thanks in advance,
> Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
> Zoe
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Re: new mac user please help

[isaac]

To switch voices press control option command left arrow and right arrow and 
use the up and arrows to  to make ajustments.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:

> Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of course 
> coming from the world of windows I'm totally lost. However I am also excited 
> to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong to this 
> great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like I'm at 
> the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I'm looking 
> forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
> The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My 
> first questions that I need help with is as follows.
> One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in other 
> languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I've downloaded 
> the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I have also 
> added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point everything is 
> okay.
> I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to 
> Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the 
> first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start typing 
> everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to the Greek 
> voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the body of 
> the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the internet.
> Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in 
> the doc but I don't think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
> The second problem is I can't find a hotkey for switching voices/languages 
> with a hotkey.
> Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don't want to 
> always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just 
> to switch voices or languages, I'm assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for 
> this action.
> Of course I have a thousand more questions but let's start with these, and 
> hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
> I would appreciate any help and advice.
> Thanks in advance,
> Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
> Zoe
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Re: First thoughts 10.9.2 much improved for VoiceOver

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there 
Yes, and I am thankful that Finder is behaving itself better. I figured out 
some work arounds before, but this is so much better. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:39 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> After using the latest updates for a few hours and having the computer go to 
> sleep I have to give Apple a big pat on the back for this update and 
> VoiceOver improvements. I know on 10.9.1 not all of us were having serious 
> problems, I think I had one of the worst experiences, and since the 10.9.2 
> update it's like having a new computer. So weird. I still notice some 
> sluggishness between switching apps, but so far everything for me is improved 
> except being able to get my Logitech k760 to work. The email experience is 
> back to be good as messages are opening quickly and loading in classic view 
> of mail, safari seems to be opening on the appropriate pages instead of 
> landing me in the toolbar, and so far the contextual menu works in iTuens. So 
> thanks Apple and hopefully they will continue with making VoiceOver 
> improvements.
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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Aimee Harwood]

Thank you Piotr! This is the kind of thing I'm looking for.

I have a Brailliant demo coming to the A T center hopefully Friday.

Another thing I am considering is if I should keep my refreshabraille. My purse 
is big enough to Cary a 40 cell display and I already Cary my iPad in its 
zagfolio so I'm used to the bulk. Any thoughts on if it is worth having both?

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:49 AM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
> 
> I can sort of compare the brailliant to the focus. I've never actually seen a 
> focus display, but I can definitely tell you that the Brailliant is much 
> quieter - the focus uses the same sells as the PAC mate display, which is 
> very noisy. The build quality is also better - aluminium body VS plastic, 
> it's also thinner. As far as using it with Apple devices, I have no problems 
> with it, not on OS X, not on iOS, or Windows. What it doesn't haves  a 
> joystick though, nor any whiz wheels. As far as screen reader support, OS X 
> and iOS is plug and play. On Windows, JAWS already installs the focus 
> drivers, so that's something you won't have to do. For the brailliant you 
> will need to install them yourself, which just envollves running an EXE file. 
> That having been said, I really suggest you don't buy JAWS. The new versions 
> are really breaking features and FS is sadly not fixing bugs. For office 
> productivity you can use a combination of NVDA and Window-eyes, which is now 
> free for users of Office 2010 or newer. Both of them rely far more on the com 
> interface of office rather than screen scraping which translates to a more 
> stable experience and the fact that reading is way more accurate And of 
> course, both support both the brailliant and focus.
> 
>> On 24 Feb 2014, at 03:07 am, Aimee Harwood  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello listers. I am trying to decide what braille display to get. I am going 
>> to get at least a 40 but am considering an 80. My main question to you is, 
>> those of you that use your displays for work, which is better? Can I use a 
>> 40 productively, or would I be better off with an 80?
>> 
>> Next is the question about connectivity. I currently have all Apple 
>> products, but know that when I finally find an employer that will give me a 
>> chance, I will most likely will ,e using Windows and probably JAWS. Which 
>> display will keep my hands on the display more and reduce the amount of time 
>> going back and forth between display and keyboard? 
>> 
>> If I end up going with a 40 cell display, which one works more seamlessly 
>> with the iPhone, and MacBook Pro? 
>> 
>> Is there a display that can be paired with more than one device? Like with 
>> my Refreshabraille, I have to make sure my iPad is turned off if I want to 
>> use it with my iPhone, or I have to tell one device to forget it before I 
>> can use it with the other.
>> 
>> Which displays can be supported and repaired in the United States? Is 
>> Freedom Scintific's maintenance agreement worth the price and worth choosing 
>> a Focus even if it isn't your favorite just to have the agreement?
>> 
>> Here are the displays that I am considering I currently use a 
>> Refreshabraille and like the feel of the dots, like the keyboard, and like 
>> the joystick. With that in mind with all the other comments and concerns, 
>> which display would be a better fit for me?
>> 
>> Brailliant BI
>> VarioConnect
>> Braille edge
>> Focus
>> Active Braille
>> 
>> Feel free to make any other recommendations if I haven't listed one that you 
>> think would be a good fit. I am trying to get my hands on some of these but 
>> may not be able to get my hands on all of them.
>> 
>> I have been reading a lot of archived messages and looking at sites where 
>> they are sold, but I still ckn't figure out which will be the best fit. 
>> Unfortunately people don't go to sites and give feedback. I really haven't 
>> found a lot of reviews online or on youtube. Any and all help or suggestions 
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Aimee 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there 
I just bought a 14-cell display because you don't always need the 40 cells when 
using a computer. You can switch back and forth, depending on the activity you 
are doing and whether it benefits you to carry less bulk at times. The iPad and 
that little display together would give you a less bulky option if you need it. 
It sounds like what you need is the most flexibility you can get right now so 
that if your job opportunities change you can better go with it. You may be 
used to the bulk now, but ou may find that it's beneficial later to have less 
bulk from time to time so that you run with the flow on your job. 

Regards,
Gigi

On Feb 26, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Aimee Harwood  wrote:

> Thank you Piotr! This is the kind of thing I'm looking for.
> 
> I have a Brailliant demo coming to the A T center hopefully Friday.
> 
> Another thing I am considering is if I should keep my refreshabraille. My 
> purse is big enough to Cary a 40 cell display and I already Cary my iPad in 
> its zagfolio so I'm used to the bulk. Any thoughts on if it is worth having 
> both?
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:49 AM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
>> 
>> I can sort of compare the brailliant to the focus. I've never actually seen 
>> a focus display, but I can definitely tell you that the Brailliant is much 
>> quieter - the focus uses the same sells as the PAC mate display, which is 
>> very noisy. The build quality is also better - aluminium body VS plastic, 
>> it's also thinner. As far as using it with Apple devices, I have no problems 
>> with it, not on OS X, not on iOS, or Windows. What it doesn't haves  a 
>> joystick though, nor any whiz wheels. As far as screen reader support, OS X 
>> and iOS is plug and play. On Windows, JAWS already installs the focus 
>> drivers, so that's something you won't have to do. For the brailliant you 
>> will need to install them yourself, which just envollves running an EXE 
>> file. That having been said, I really suggest you don't buy JAWS. The new 
>> versions are really breaking features and FS is sadly not fixing bugs. For 
>> office productivity you can use a combination of NVDA and Window-eyes, which 
>> is now free for users of Office 2010 or newer. Both of them rely far more on 
>> the com interface of office rather than screen scraping which translates to 
>> a more stable experience and the fact that reading is way more accurate And 
>> of course, both support both the brailliant and focus.
>> 
>>> On 24 Feb 2014, at 03:07 am, Aimee Harwood  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello listers. I am trying to decide what braille display to get. I am 
>>> going to get at least a 40 but am considering an 80. My main question to 
>>> you is, those of you that use your displays for work, which is better? Can 
>>> I use a 40 productively, or would I be better off with an 80?
>>> 
>>> Next is the question about connectivity. I currently have all Apple 
>>> products, but know that when I finally find an employer that will give me a 
>>> chance, I will most likely will ,e using Windows and probably JAWS. Which 
>>> display will keep my hands on the display more and reduce the amount of 
>>> time going back and forth between display and keyboard? 
>>> 
>>> If I end up going with a 40 cell display, which one works more seamlessly 
>>> with the iPhone, and MacBook Pro? 
>>> 
>>> Is there a display that can be paired with more than one device? Like with 
>>> my Refreshabraille, I have to make sure my iPad is turned off if I want to 
>>> use it with my iPhone, or I have to tell one device to forget it before I 
>>> can use it with the other.
>>> 
>>> Which displays can be supported and repaired in the United States? Is 
>>> Freedom Scintific's maintenance agreement worth the price and worth 
>>> choosing a Focus even if it isn't your favorite just to have the agreement?
>>> 
>>> Here are the displays that I am considering I currently use a 
>>> Refreshabraille and like the feel of the dots, like the keyboard, and like 
>>> the joystick. With that in mind with all the other comments and concerns, 
>>> which display would be a better fit for me?
>>> 
>>> Brailliant BI
>>> VarioConnect
>>> Braille edge
>>> Focus
>>> Active Braille
>>> 
>>> Feel free to make any other recommendations if I haven't listed one that 
>>> you think would be a good fit. I am trying to get my hands on some of these 
>>> but may not be able to get my hands on all of them.
>>> 
>>> I have been reading a lot of archived messages and looking at sites where 
>>> they are sold, but I still ckn't figure out which will be the best fit. 
>>> Unfortunately people don't go to sites and give feedback. I really haven't 
>>> found a lot of reviews online or on youtube. Any and all help or 
>>> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Aimee 
>>> 
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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Amy,

The only other thing I may add is the feel of the braille cells under your 
fingers. All braille displays have a disstinct feel to them. I have not 
investted in a dedicated braille display because I have a Braille Note 32, 
which meets my needs as a braille display. With JAWS 15 (latest built) there 
are more driver support included in the software. So, you may want to take a 
look at the list before purchasing if the braille display is supported without 
going the extra step. HTH.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:00 AM, Aimee Harwood  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Piotr! This is the kind of thing I'm looking for.
> 
> I have a Brailliant demo coming to the A T center hopefully Friday.
> 
> Another thing I am considering is if I should keep my refreshabraille. My 
> purse is big enough to Cary a 40 cell display and I already Cary my iPad in 
> its zagfolio so I'm used to the bulk. Any thoughts on if it is worth having 
> both?
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:49 AM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
>> 
>> I can sort of compare the brailliant to the focus. I've never actually seen 
>> a focus display, but I can definitely tell you that the Brailliant is much 
>> quieter - the focus uses the same sells as the PAC mate display, which is 
>> very noisy. The build quality is also better - aluminium body VS plastic, 
>> it's also thinner. As far as using it with Apple devices, I have no problems 
>> with it, not on OS X, not on iOS, or Windows. What it doesn't haves  a 
>> joystick though, nor any whiz wheels. As far as screen reader support, OS X 
>> and iOS is plug and play. On Windows, JAWS already installs the focus 
>> drivers, so that's something you won't have to do. For the brailliant you 
>> will need to install them yourself, which just envollves running an EXE 
>> file. That having been said, I really suggest you don't buy JAWS. The new 
>> versions are really breaking features and FS is sadly not fixing bugs. For 
>> office productivity you can use a combination of NVDA and Window-eyes, which 
>> is now free for users of Office 2010 or newer. Both of them rely far more on 
>> the com interface of office rather than screen scraping which translates to 
>> a more stable experience and the fact that reading is way more accurate And 
>> of course, both support both the brailliant and focus.
>> 
>>> On 24 Feb 2014, at 03:07 am, Aimee Harwood  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello listers. I am trying to decide what braille display to get. I am 
>>> going to get at least a 40 but am considering an 80. My main question to 
>>> you is, those of you that use your displays for work, which is better? Can 
>>> I use a 40 productively, or would I be better off with an 80?
>>> 
>>> Next is the question about connectivity. I currently have all Apple 
>>> products, but know that when I finally find an employer that will give me a 
>>> chance, I will most likely will ,e using Windows and probably JAWS. Which 
>>> display will keep my hands on the display more and reduce the amount of 
>>> time going back and forth between display and keyboard? 
>>> 
>>> If I end up going with a 40 cell display, which one works more seamlessly 
>>> with the iPhone, and MacBook Pro? 
>>> 
>>> Is there a display that can be paired with more than one device? Like with 
>>> my Refreshabraille, I have to make sure my iPad is turned off if I want to 
>>> use it with my iPhone, or I have to tell one device to forget it before I 
>>> can use it with the other.
>>> 
>>> Which displays can be supported and repaired in the United States? Is 
>>> Freedom Scintific's maintenance agreement worth the price and worth 
>>> choosing a Focus even if it isn't your favorite just to have the agreement?
>>> 
>>> Here are the displays that I am considering I currently use a 
>>> Refreshabraille and like the feel of the dots, like the keyboard, and like 
>>> the joystick. With that in mind with all the other comments and concerns, 
>>> which display would be a better fit for me?
>>> 
>>> Brailliant BI
>>> VarioConnect
>>> Braille edge
>>> Focus
>>> Active Braille
>>> 
>>> Feel free to make any other recommendations if I haven't listed one that 
>>> you think would be a good fit. I am trying to get my hands on some of these 
>>> but may not be able to get my hands on all of them.
>>> 
>>> I have been reading a lot of archived messages and looking at sites where 
>>> they are sold, but I still ckn't figure out which will be the best fit. 
>>> Unfortunately people don't go to sites and give feedback. I really haven't 
>>> found a lot of reviews online or on youtube. Any and all help or 
>>> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Aimee 
>>> 
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RE: new mac user please help

[Zoe Fiogkos]

I will try this option and let you all know how it works. Also you mentioned
the quickstart voiceover tutorial and yes I did this and it has helped a
little. Of course I have a lot of knew keyboard commands to memorize and it
will take a while. Thank you for your help. Will try your recommendation
soon.
 
 
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Sent: February-26-14 9:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac user please help
 
To switch voices press control option command left arrow and right arrow and
use the up and arrows to  to make ajustments.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:



Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of
course coming from the world of windows I'm totally lost. However I am also
excited to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong
to this great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like
I'm at the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I'm
looking forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My
first questions that I need help with is as follows.
One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in
other languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I've
downloaded the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I
have also added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point
everything is okay.
I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to
Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the
first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start
typing everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to
the Greek voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the
body of the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the
internet.
Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in
the doc but I don't think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
The second problem is I can't find a hotkey for switching voices/languages
with a hotkey.
Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don't want to
always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just
to switch voices or languages, I'm assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for
this action.
Of course I have a thousand more questions but let's start with these, and
hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
I would appreciate any help and advice.
Thanks in advance,
Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
Zoe
 
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Re: new mac user please help

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Zoe,

To get rid of the conflict between new keyboard layout and Spotlight search, 
open System Preferences and go to the Keyboard pane. Select Shortcuts tab, 3 of 
4, then navigate right to the Shortcuts categories table and interact with it. 
Navigate down to Spotlight. Stop interacting with that table and navigate right 
to the next one which will say Spotlight shortcuts table. Interact and uncheck 
the check box for Show Spotlight search field ⌘Space.

Cheers,

Anne


On 26 Feb 2014, at 15:48, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:

> Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of course 
> coming from the world of windows I’m totally lost. However I am also excited 
> to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong to this 
> great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like I’m at 
> the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I’m looking 
> forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
> The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My 
> first questions that I need help with is as follows.
> One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in other 
> languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I’ve downloaded 
> the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I have also 
> added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point everything is 
> okay.
> I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to 
> Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the 
> first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start typing 
> everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to the Greek 
> voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the body of 
> the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the internet.
> Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in 
> the doc but I don’t think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
> The second problem is I can’t find a hotkey for switching voices/languages 
> with a hotkey.
> Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don’t want to 
> always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just 
> to switch voices or languages, I’m assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for 
> this action.
> Of course I have a thousand more questions but let’s start with these, and 
> hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
> I would appreciate any help and advice.
> Thanks in advance,
> Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
> Zoe
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RE: new mac user please help

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Oh my gosh those instructions sound so promising I will try it later on today 
after I’m done my cooking.  I will let you know how it goes.
Thank you I’m so excited with this helps it looks like the first mile of this 
mountain will be accomplished.
 
 
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Sent: February-26-14 10:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac user please help
 
Hello Zoe,
 
To get rid of the conflict between new keyboard layout and Spotlight search, 
open System Preferences and go to the Keyboard pane. Select Shortcuts tab, 3 of 
4, then navigate right to the Shortcuts categories table and interact with it. 
Navigate down to Spotlight. Stop interacting with that table and navigate right 
to the next one which will say Spotlight shortcuts table. Interact and uncheck 
the check box for Show Spotlight search field ⌘Space.
 
Cheers,
 
Anne
 
 
On 26 Feb 2014, at 15:48, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:



Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of course 
coming from the world of windows I’m totally lost. However I am also excited to 
learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong to this great 
list so these options should help, and even though I feel like I’m at the 
bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I’m looking forward 
to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My 
first questions that I need help with is as follows.
One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in other 
languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I’ve downloaded the 
voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I have also added 
the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point everything is okay.
I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to Greek 
the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the first 
problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start typing 
everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to the Greek 
voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the body of the 
document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the internet.
Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in the 
doc but I don’t think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
The second problem is I can’t find a hotkey for switching voices/languages with 
a hotkey.
Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don’t want to always 
want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just to switch 
voices or languages, I’m assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for this action.
Of course I have a thousand more questions but let’s start with these, and 
hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
I would appreciate any help and advice.
Thanks in advance,
Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
Zoe
 
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Re: quality of music output when played from an iPod

[Donna Goodin]

No problem. Thanks for the suggestion anyway.
Best,
Donna

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> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Chris H  wrote:
> 
> Well I admit I didn't know what you meant by quality. Sorry about that.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
>> On 26/02/2014 12:27, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> I agree 100%.  but in this case I'm actually listening on my regular stereo 
>> speakers, so the Touch speaker is irrelevant.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:40 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My view is because of the speakers on the iPod Touch. To me they sound so 
>>> tinny that it's hard to impossible to decipher what's in the music. Little 
>>> to no bass and too much of the higher frequencies. Just my £0.02 worth.
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:13, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Recently I have had occasion to compare the sound of my actual CDs 
 juxtaposed with the imported versions of those same CDs played on the same 
 speakers, but played from my 4th gen touch.  There's a noticeable 
 degradation in sound quality when the music is played from my ipod.  Just 
 wondering if others have noticed this, and what, if anything you've done 
 to compensate?
 TIA,
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Re: quality of music output when played from an iPod

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

To get the iTunes Plus higher quality songs when you are subscribed to iTunes 
Match, do the following:

1.  Go into iTunes.
2.  Select the Songs view.
3.  Select the songs you wish to upgrade.
4.  Press the Delete key.
5.  Pay attention to the dialog that appears and make sure that you don't 
delete the songs from the Cloud as well.
6.  Once they've been deleted, there should now be a Download button right to 
the right of the song title.  Press it for each song.

The higher quality version will download from Apple.  There are quick ways to 
manage this sort of thing by sorting your Library by Kind, iCloud Status and 
such then doing actions on multiple items..

Also, regarding sound quality, note that the sound output devices in iPods are 
not to the quality that you can get out of a laptop or Desktop computer, so 
sound quality may be less when playing to amplifier units as the less quality 
is also amplified.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi Erik,
> 
> Oh, weird!  It would never have dawned on me that I have to do that.  So, how 
> do I go about it?  If I delete the local copies, will the match copies import 
> automatically?
> 
> Thanks both of you, Eric and Lisette.  I'll really be glad to have solved 
> this.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:45 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>>  You can use iTunes match to get the higher quality recordings to play 
>> but it is not automatic.  you will be playing your local copy until you 
>> delete them and then import them back from iTunes match.  Here is a kind of 
>> amazing example.  I recorded many vinyl records and then placed them in 
>> itunes.  Later I noticed that many of them were recognized by iTunes.and 
>> showed up as matched.  Once I deleted them from itunes I could then bring 
>> them back from itunes match.  When they came back they were true high 
>> quality copies from itunes and not my vinyl recordings!  Mostly I was happy 
>> with the exchange.  For a few albums I missed the album sounds.
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Lisette,
>>> 
>>> thanks.  You know, I didn't look at the bit rate, and I should have.  Much 
>>> as I would dislike importing my CDs again, the poor sound quality does 
>>> bother me quite a bit.  One thing I wonder, though, I have iTunes match, so 
>>> wouldn't I be playing a higher quality recording, even if my CD was 
>>> imported at a lower bit rate?
>>> thanks so much for the help.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Donna,
 When you import CDS, you can choose to increase the bit rate to a higher 
 quality. I always import at 192 kbps as I can hear the degradation and it 
 bothers me.
 You can choose all these settings in iTunes prefs under the general tab.
 You'll have to re import your CDs again but maybe it's worth it for you.
 I am not a great expert on all this sample and bit rate stuff, but I do 
 know I can hear it when it's too low. By default it's set at 128 kbps I 
 think.
 Check it out.
 
 Lisette
 
 On 26/02/2014, at 2:13 pm, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> Recently I have had occasion to compare the sound of my actual CDs 
> juxtaposed with the imported versions of those same CDs played on the 
> same speakers, but played from my 4th gen touch.  There's a noticeable 
> degradation in sound quality when the music is played from my ipod.  Just 
> wondering if others have noticed this, and what, if anything you've done 
> to compensate?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Aimee Harwood]

Hello Eileen. I did notice the difference between the focus and my 
refreshabraille. I like the feel of the refreshabraille better.

I know I don't want anything less than 40 cells for work. I may go ahead and 
keep the small one to keep in my purse.

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Amy,
> 
> The only other thing I may add is the feel of the braille cells under your 
> fingers. All braille displays have a disstinct feel to them. I have not 
> investted in a dedicated braille display because I have a Braille Note 32, 
> which meets my needs as a braille display. With JAWS 15 (latest built) there 
> are more driver support included in the software. So, you may want to take a 
> look at the list before purchasing if the braille display is supported 
> without going the extra step. HTH.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:00 AM, Aimee Harwood  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Piotr! This is the kind of thing I'm looking for.
>> 
>> I have a Brailliant demo coming to the A T center hopefully Friday.
>> 
>> Another thing I am considering is if I should keep my refreshabraille. My 
>> purse is big enough to Cary a 40 cell display and I already Cary my iPad in 
>> its zagfolio so I'm used to the bulk. Any thoughts on if it is worth having 
>> both?
>> 
>> Aimee
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:49 AM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can sort of compare the brailliant to the focus. I've never actually seen 
>>> a focus display, but I can definitely tell you that the Brailliant is much 
>>> quieter - the focus uses the same sells as the PAC mate display, which is 
>>> very noisy. The build quality is also better - aluminium body VS plastic, 
>>> it's also thinner. As far as using it with Apple devices, I have no 
>>> problems with it, not on OS X, not on iOS, or Windows. What it doesn't 
>>> haves  a joystick though, nor any whiz wheels. As far as screen reader 
>>> support, OS X and iOS is plug and play. On Windows, JAWS already installs 
>>> the focus drivers, so that's something you won't have to do. For the 
>>> brailliant you will need to install them yourself, which just envollves 
>>> running an EXE file. That having been said, I really suggest you don't buy 
>>> JAWS. The new versions are really breaking features and FS is sadly not 
>>> fixing bugs. For office productivity you can use a combination of NVDA and 
>>> Window-eyes, which is now free for users of Office 2010 or newer. Both of 
>>> them rely far more on the com interface of office rather than screen 
>>> scraping which translates to a more stable experience and the fact that 
>>> reading is way more accurate And of course, both support both the 
>>> brailliant and focus.
>>> 
 On 24 Feb 2014, at 03:07 am, Aimee Harwood  wrote:
 
 Hello listers. I am trying to decide what braille display to get. I am 
 going to get at least a 40 but am considering an 80. My main question to 
 you is, those of you that use your displays for work, which is better? Can 
 I use a 40 productively, or would I be better off with an 80?
 
 Next is the question about connectivity. I currently have all Apple 
 products, but know that when I finally find an employer that will give me 
 a chance, I will most likely will ,e using Windows and probably JAWS. 
 Which display will keep my hands on the display more and reduce the amount 
 of time going back and forth between display and keyboard? 
 
 If I end up going with a 40 cell display, which one works more seamlessly 
 with the iPhone, and MacBook Pro? 
 
 Is there a display that can be paired with more than one device? Like with 
 my Refreshabraille, I have to make sure my iPad is turned off if I want to 
 use it with my iPhone, or I have to tell one device to forget it before I 
 can use it with the other.
 
 Which displays can be supported and repaired in the United States? Is 
 Freedom Scintific's maintenance agreement worth the price and worth 
 choosing a Focus even if it isn't your favorite just to have the agreement?
 
 Here are the displays that I am considering I currently use a 
 Refreshabraille and like the feel of the dots, like the keyboard, and like 
 the joystick. With that in mind with all the other comments and concerns, 
 which display would be a better fit for me?
 
 Brailliant BI
 VarioConnect
 Braille edge
 Focus
 Active Braille
 
 Feel free to make any other recommendations if I haven't listed one that 
 you think would be a good fit. I am trying to get my hands on some of 
 these but may not be able to get my hands on all of them.
 
 I have been reading a lot of archived messages and looking at sites where 
 they are sold, but I still ckn't figure out which will be the best fit. 
 Unfortunately people don't go to sites and g

Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Aimee, having designed one of the family of displays you're looking at, I'd 
obviously have a preference. :)
Some of the comment you're getting clearly do not refer to the latest Focus 
displays since they have referred to whiz wheels, a feature not on the new 
products. The thing I would say about the latest Focus displays is that like 
all Freedom Scientific products, blind people drove their design. When we were 
putting them together, we did a lot of work with people who read and write 
Braille, trying to optimise being able to work in Braille for long periods with 
minimal fatigue and smooth traction with your fingers on the display.
I use JAWS BrailleIn for hours a day, since it's really just like Brailling 
into a notetaker when using apps like Microsoft Word, it is that robust. And I 
find that I can Braille for long periods without my wrists aching. There is a 
lot of travel on the Focus keyboard which helps here, that may account for some 
of the noise you're hearing, but I really find it pleasant and comfortable 
compared to other devices I've played with.
In terms of the space bar, we put it where we put it because when we watched 
people using the mock-ups we had, we found that people's thumbs naturally 
rested  in that position, so you're thumb is naturally ready to press space if 
the key is located where it is on the Focus. Some displays require you to tuck 
your thumb inwards. It's no big deal if you're Brailling for a short time, but 
it can do damage if you have to keep tucking your thumb in like that when 
you're Brailling for a long time. The difference between the quality of input 
of the new Focus displays compared with the previous generation is huge. We 
spent a lot of time on this because we realised that JAWS BrailleIn had really 
changed the game in terms of how often people were using these devices for 
input.
Since this is a Mac/Apple-related list, let me try to ensure this is on topic 
by saying that I use my Focus displays with my iPhone, and to a lesser extent 
my Mac, regularly. The pairing is really robust. That's an important 
consideration, because when you need to write or read something, you want it to 
just work.
But in reality, when connected to a screen reader, these displays get their 
intelligence from the screen reader driver. Functionally, all these displays 
will do the same thing with your Apple devices. It will come down to price, 
ergonomics, how quickly you can get the unit turned around when you need it 
maintained.
It sounds like you're in a position to get your hands, literally, on some of 
these devices and I think that's the best approach.
Happy searching. Braille is beautiful!
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 26/02/2014, at 5:55 pm, Aimee Harwood  wrote:

> Hello Jonathan. I actually agree that the prices have come down a good bit. I 
> am getting the display purchased for me, so I can go for the larger display 
> if need be. I had hoped that you would have given me some of your wonderful 
> insight on pros and cons of the displays that I had listed. I currently don't 
> have any access to JAWS but may in the future.  
> 
> I spent the afternoon with the focus 40 connected to my iPad and used it to 
> type some lengthy notes. To me it was a good bit noisier all the way  around 
> compared to my Refreshabraille. The keys were louder and the display changing 
> pins around was louder as well. I had to get used to putting my pinkies back 
> to work again. They don't have anything to do on my Refreshabraille. I did 
> decide that the 40 cells will be better for me. It took me a bit to get used 
> to having the space bar further away from my other fingers, but after a while 
> it was pretty comfortable. 
> 
> So is there anyone that can from experience, give me some pros and coms of 
> the displays I listed in my original message? If possible, please focus more 
> on Apple products when giving those pros and coms. 
> 
> 
> I really like to do a lot of research and comparing before a purchase is made 
> so that I don't regret my choice down the road.I greatly appreciate everyones 
> input so far.
> 
> Aimee 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
>> I think it's also important to remember that there has been downward 
>> pressure on Braille display prices over the last decade. In 2004, you'd be 
>> looking at at least $5,000 USD for a 40 cell display. Manufacturing 
>> processes have improved and you can now get a 40 cell display for $2800 USD. 
>> I realise that's still a lot of money and it would be good to see prices 
>> drop further if manufacturing costs allow, but when you take inflation into 
>> account, that's one massive reduction and manufacturers are not keeping the 
>> cost savings to themselves and making higher profits.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://M

Using FaceTime Audio

[Scott Rumery]

After updating to OS 10.9.2 yesterday the first thing that I wanted to try was 
making an audio only call from my Mac. It took me some digging around to figure 
out how to place the call and then when I did figure this out my call kept 
failing.

After doing several searches on Google I stumbled across an Apple Support 
thread on the failure of FaceTime calls and I was able to follow some 
instructions that someone had posted to get it working on my Mac.

Here is a blog post that I wrote about this. I hope that if anyone else is 
having this issue that this will help them to fix it.

http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/facetime-audio-calls-finally-come-mac/
Scott Rumery

Whatever happens keep your sense of humor

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Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all,

I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to have 
a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a super 
duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for running Windows.

We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth 
keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a good 
deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I want OSX 
& Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.

I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the top 
of my head.

1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes is 
too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned Macs.  
Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is one.  Power of 
the machine, price, etc.
http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN


I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it, but the 
SSD isn't very large, 128GB.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
Traci

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RE: new mac user please help

[Jamie Pauls]

Be aware that VO F8 twice will bring you to the list of VoiceOver keyboard
commands. The commands are grouped in such a way that you can easily locate
what you need when you need it. There are a potentially overwhelming number
of VO commands to learn if you try to memorize them all at once, so you're
better off learning the ones you need as you complete your daily tasks on
the Mac.

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zoe Fiogkos
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new mac user please help

 

I will try this option and let you all know how it works. Also you mentioned
the quickstart voiceover tutorial and yes I did this and it has helped a
little. Of course I have a lot of knew keyboard commands to memorize and it
will take a while. Thank you for your help. Will try your recommendation
soon.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of isaac
Sent: February-26-14 9:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac user please help

 

To switch voices press control option command left arrow and right arrow and
use the up and arrows to  to make ajustments.

On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:





Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of
course coming from the world of windows I'm totally lost. However I am also
excited to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong
to this great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like
I'm at the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I'm
looking forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.

The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My
first questions that I need help with is as follows.

One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in
other languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I've
downloaded the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I
have also added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point
everything is okay.

I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to
Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the
first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start
typing everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to
the Greek voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the
body of the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the
internet.

Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in
the doc but I don't think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.

The second problem is I can't find a hotkey for switching voices/languages
with a hotkey.

Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don't want to
always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just
to switch voices or languages, I'm assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for
this action.

Of course I have a thousand more questions but let's start with these, and
hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.

I would appreciate any help and advice.

Thanks in advance,

Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,

Zoe

 

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Re: quality of music output when played from an iPod

[Terje Strømberg]

Regarding sound quality from iPod or iPhone. If you use the lightning output 
into a docking station like Pure i20, and optical out from the dock into 
optical in on an amplifier you may not hear any difference. Because the IOS 
device only sends digital signal out and do not convert anything at all. On 
Pure i20 you need a usb to lightning adapter from Apple to make it work with 
lightning connector. 

Analog out from a IOS device i.e. out from the 3.5» mini jack its another story.

Take care

26. feb. 2014 kl. 17:25 skrev Tim Kilburn :

Hi,

To get the iTunes Plus higher quality songs when you are subscribed to iTunes 
Match, do the following:

1.  Go into iTunes.
2.  Select the Songs view.
3.  Select the songs you wish to upgrade.
4.  Press the Delete key.
5.  Pay attention to the dialog that appears and make sure that you don't 
delete the songs from the Cloud as well.
6.  Once they've been deleted, there should now be a Download button right to 
the right of the song title.  Press it for each song.

The higher quality version will download from Apple.  There are quick ways to 
manage this sort of thing by sorting your Library by Kind, iCloud Status and 
such then doing actions on multiple items..

Also, regarding sound quality, note that the sound output devices in iPods are 
not to the quality that you can get out of a laptop or Desktop computer, so 
sound quality may be less when playing to amplifier units as the less quality 
is also amplified.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi Erik,
> 
> Oh, weird!  It would never have dawned on me that I have to do that.  So, how 
> do I go about it?  If I delete the local copies, will the match copies import 
> automatically?
> 
> Thanks both of you, Eric and Lisette.  I'll really be glad to have solved 
> this.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:45 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>>  You can use iTunes match to get the higher quality recordings to play 
>> but it is not automatic.  you will be playing your local copy until you 
>> delete them and then import them back from iTunes match.  Here is a kind of 
>> amazing example.  I recorded many vinyl records and then placed them in 
>> itunes.  Later I noticed that many of them were recognized by iTunes.and 
>> showed up as matched.  Once I deleted them from itunes I could then bring 
>> them back from itunes match.  When they came back they were true high 
>> quality copies from itunes and not my vinyl recordings!  Mostly I was happy 
>> with the exchange.  For a few albums I missed the album sounds.
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Lisette,
>>> 
>>> thanks.  You know, I didn't look at the bit rate, and I should have.  Much 
>>> as I would dislike importing my CDs again, the poor sound quality does 
>>> bother me quite a bit.  One thing I wonder, though, I have iTunes match, so 
>>> wouldn't I be playing a higher quality recording, even if my CD was 
>>> imported at a lower bit rate?
>>> thanks so much for the help.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Donna,
 When you import CDS, you can choose to increase the bit rate to a higher 
 quality. I always import at 192 kbps as I can hear the degradation and it 
 bothers me.
 You can choose all these settings in iTunes prefs under the general tab.
 You'll have to re import your CDs again but maybe it's worth it for you.
 I am not a great expert on all this sample and bit rate stuff, but I do 
 know I can hear it when it's too low. By default it's set at 128 kbps I 
 think.
 Check it out.
 
 Lisette
 
 On 26/02/2014, at 2:13 pm, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> Recently I have had occasion to compare the sound of my actual CDs 
> juxtaposed with the imported versions of those same CDs played on the 
> same speakers, but played from my 4th gen touch.  There's a noticeable 
> degradation in sound quality when the music is played from my ipod.  Just 
> wondering if others have noticed this, and what, if anything you've done 
> to compensate?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Using FaceTime Audio

[Ray Foret Jr]

The poster is wrong about one thing.  You can too make Facetime audio only 
calls inside Facetime.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:

> After updating to OS 10.9.2 yesterday the first thing that I wanted to try 
> was making an audio only call from my Mac. It took me some digging around to 
> figure out how to place the call and then when I did figure this out my call 
> kept failing.
> 
> After doing several searches on Google I stumbled across an Apple Support 
> thread on the failure of FaceTime calls and I was able to follow some 
> instructions that someone had posted to get it working on my Mac.
> 
> Here is a blog post that I wrote about this. I hope that if anyone else is 
> having this issue that this will help them to fix it.
> 
> http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/facetime-audio-calls-finally-come-mac/
> Scott Rumery
> 
> Whatever happens keep your sense of humor
> 
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help with a few commands

[Jenine Stanley]

Hi All, 

I am forgetting or just never really knew, the commands to do the following. 

Go to top of a screen or web page.
Go to bottom of a screen or web page.
Go to top of a mail message and bottom of said message. 

I'll take either the VO commands or the general Mac commands or both. 

Thanks. 
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Re: a quick question about the bard mobile ap

[Daniel Hawkins]

I too am courious about that too. But as far I can tell, it is copy protected, 
so that option is not there. I tried to do research on that since I liked to 
listen books thru iTunes instead of the BARD Mobil app. The only downside of 
BARD Mobil apps is that you can't lock the screen, so putting your iPhone in 
your pocket is out of the question.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
4GB Dual Channel DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
NVDA installed

Phonak Compilot





On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> Something I was curious about with that app; the article claimed when it 
> first came out, that you could transfer your existing books to the app via 
> itunes, but I can't figure out for the life of me how to do this.  Has anyone 
> else been able to do this?
>  I don't want to have to redownload the same books again, which can take a 
> while, and if I'm pressed for time, that can get annoying, so if anyone has 
> some tips, I'd really appreciate it.
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:18 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Sure.  Just go to your wish list on the app, then, when you find a book, 
>> double tap on it.  You will get a doalog asking if you want to download the 
>> book.  Answer yes to this.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:47 AM, Dana  wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know I have figured out how to find books put them in my wish 
>>> list but nott how to download them on the bard  ap can someone tell me how 
>>> it is done?
>>> Thanks
>>> Dana
>>> Skype and twitter ID's both the same
>>> djkitty73 
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Re: Using FaceTime Audio

[Scott Rumery]

Can you enlighten the list as to how to do this? I looked all through the 
FaceTime interface yesterday and I didn't see anything about making a FaceTime 
audio call from there.

Scott Rumery

Whatever happens keep your sense of humor

On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> The poster is wrong about one thing.  You can too make Facetime audio only 
> calls inside Facetime.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> 
>> After updating to OS 10.9.2 yesterday the first thing that I wanted to try 
>> was making an audio only call from my Mac. It took me some digging around to 
>> figure out how to place the call and then when I did figure this out my call 
>> kept failing.
>> 
>> After doing several searches on Google I stumbled across an Apple Support 
>> thread on the failure of FaceTime calls and I was able to follow some 
>> instructions that someone had posted to get it working on my Mac.
>> 
>> Here is a blog post that I wrote about this. I hope that if anyone else is 
>> having this issue that this will help them to fix it.
>> 
>> http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/facetime-audio-calls-finally-come-mac/
>> Scott Rumery
>> 
>> Whatever happens keep your sense of humor
>> 
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Re: Using FaceTime Audio

[Jessica]

it is in the contact info scrol area.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> 
> Can you enlighten the list as to how to do this? I looked all through the 
> FaceTime interface yesterday and I didn’t see anything about making a 
> FaceTime audio call from there.
> 
> Scott Rumery
> 
> Whatever happens keep your sense of humor
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> The poster is wrong about one thing.  You can too make Facetime audio only 
>> calls inside Facetime.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>>> 
>>> After updating to OS 10.9.2 yesterday the first thing that I wanted to try 
>>> was making an audio only call from my Mac. It took me some digging around 
>>> to figure out how to place the call and then when I did figure this out my 
>>> call kept failing.
>>> 
>>> After doing several searches on Google I stumbled across an Apple Support 
>>> thread on the failure of FaceTime calls and I was able to follow some 
>>> instructions that someone had posted to get it working on my Mac.
>>> 
>>> Here is a blog post that I wrote about this. I hope that if anyone else is 
>>> having this issue that this will help them to fix it.
>>> 
>>> http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/facetime-audio-calls-finally-come-mac/
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> 
>>> Whatever happens keep your sense of humor
>>> 
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Re: a quick question about the bard mobile ap

[Tim Emmons]

 Hey Dana, once you've put them on your wish list, go back to get books within 
the Bard ap, and in that section you see wish list and however many items are 
there. Double tap there, and select your book from the list, double tap the 
book and it will ask you are you sure you want to download, and say Ok, and it 
starts downloading. Hope that helps. And, hope you're doing well. Take care and 
talk to you soon. 
On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:47 AM, "Dana"  wrote:

> Does anyone know I have figured out how to find books put them in my wish 
> list but nott how to download them on the bard  ap can someone tell me how it 
> is done?
> Thanks
> Dana
> Skype and twitter ID's both the same
> djkitty73 
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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[isaac]

I think you should go with windows 7 operating system. Next will NVDA work on 
it yes NVDA will work on a windows 7 operating system.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to 
> have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a 
> super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for running 
> Windows.
> 
> We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth 
> keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a good 
> deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I want 
> OSX & Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.
> 
> I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the top 
> of my head.
> 
> 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
> 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes is 
> too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
> 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned Macs.  
> Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is one.  Power 
> of the machine, price, etc.
>   

> http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN
> 
> 
> I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it, but 
> the SSD isn't very large, 128GB.
> 
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
> Traci
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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Cameron Strife]

A current mac mini would run windows no problem via a vm or via
bootcamp. And yes, you'll be able to run NVDA on it.




On 2/26/14, isaac  wrote:
> I think you should go with windows 7 operating system. Next will NVDA work
> on it yes NVDA will work on a windows 7 operating system.
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to
>> have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a
>> super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for
>> running Windows.
>>
>> We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth
>> keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a
>> good deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I
>> want OSX & Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.
>>
>> I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the
>> top of my head.
>>
>> 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
>> 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes
>> is too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
>> 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned
>> Macs.  Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is
>> one.  Power of the machine, price, etc.
>>
>
>> http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN
>>
>>
>> I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it,
>> but the SSD isn't very large, 128GB.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
>> Traci
>>
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Christopher Hallsworth]

I get this too. Will try interacting with the text with vo j.
On 26 Feb 2014, at 14:41, Nicholas Parsons  
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> The chatter I get is the word "imbedded", the sender's name and email 
> address, then the word "imbedded" repeated twice.
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Re: help with a few commands

[isaac]

First to go to  the top of a screen or bottom of a screen  the commands are vo 
function shift left arrow and right arrow that is control option function left 
arrow and right arrow. 
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> 
> I am forgetting or just never really knew, the commands to do the following. 
> 
> Go to top of a screen or web page.
> Go to bottom of a screen or web page.Go to top of a mail message and bottom 
> of said message. 
> 
> I'll take either the VO commands or the general Mac commands or both. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
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Re: Using FaceTime Audio

[isaac]

I didn't know you can do that while in the face time app I will have to try 
that out thanks for the tip.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Jessica  wrote:

> it is in the contact info scrol area.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> 
>> Can you enlighten the list as to how to do this? I looked all through the 
>> FaceTime interface yesterday and I didn't see anything about making a 
>> FaceTime audio call from there.
>> 
>> Scott Rumery
>> 
>> Whatever happens keep your sense of humor
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> The poster is wrong about one thing.  You can too make Facetime audio only 
>>> calls inside Facetime.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>>> 
 After updating to OS 10.9.2 yesterday the first thing that I wanted to try 
 was making an audio only call from my Mac. It took me some digging around 
 to figure out how to place the call and then when I did figure this out my 
 call kept failing.
 
 After doing several searches on Google I stumbled across an Apple Support 
 thread on the failure of FaceTime calls and I was able to follow some 
 instructions that someone had posted to get it working on my Mac.
 
 Here is a blog post that I wrote about this. I hope that if anyone else is 
 having this issue that this will help them to fix it.
 
 http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/facetime-audio-calls-finally-come-mac/
 Scott Rumery
 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Yes seems to work very well on my Macbook Pro 2012 model.
On 26 Feb 2014, at 14:13, Portia Scott  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I installed the update last night and it is really awesome. I find it faster 
> when going through my applications folder on my MacBook Pro 09 model. It used 
> to be slow going through it with quick nag on, but not anymore.
> 
> Have a great day, and smile on.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Portia.
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> Can you explain the issues?
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
>> 
>>> just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not come 
>>> out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some braille 
>>> displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess not? Maybe 
>>> sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple will fix this? 
>>> Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't want much non-fun.
>>> 
>>> PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come out 
>>> the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
>>> Student accessibility aid.
>>> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
>>> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
 small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
 Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I 
 hope this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
 
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Re: My FaceTime Window is Unresponsive

[Teresa Cochran]

It is strange behavior indeed. It says in the help for facetime that you can 
initiate a call from the app, but it also indicates that you have to designate 
contacts as Facetime capable. Just a slightly vague set of instructions, most 
likely. I may try it at some point, but I don't make voice calls often, as my 
hearing is not all that great.

Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

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> Yesterday when I tried to start a FaceTime audio call yesterday I got a 
> message saying FaceTime failed and a hang up sound.
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:10 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> That is exactly what happened to me as well. Eventually, I opened the 
>> contacts app, went to the contact I wanted to call, and activated the 
>> FaceTime button from there.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:48, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, all,
>>> 
>>> I've never used Facetime before, so I thought I'd poke around a bit. I 
>>> assumed I had signed into it with the latest Os X update, and I got an 
>>> email saying that my computer was using my Apple iD for Facetime. when I 
>>> opened the window, I got the Window control buttons, but nothing else. When 
>>> I found preferences in the Facetime menu, it was dimmed. where do I go from 
>>> here?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> teresa
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>>> 
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Re: Using FaceTime Audio

[Scott Rumery]

Well I guess that I goofed then didn't I? I will have to go and fix my post 
now. Thank you for letting me know about my error.


Scott Rumery

Whatever happens keep your sense of humor

On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Jessica  wrote:

> it is in the contact info scrol area.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> 
>> Can you enlighten the list as to how to do this? I looked all through the 
>> FaceTime interface yesterday and I didn't see anything about making a 
>> FaceTime audio call from there.
>> 
>> Scott Rumery
>> 
>> Whatever happens keep your sense of humor
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> The poster is wrong about one thing.  You can too make Facetime audio only 
>>> calls inside Facetime.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>>> 
 After updating to OS 10.9.2 yesterday the first thing that I wanted to try 
 was making an audio only call from my Mac. It took me some digging around 
 to figure out how to place the call and then when I did figure this out my 
 call kept failing.
 
 After doing several searches on Google I stumbled across an Apple Support 
 thread on the failure of FaceTime calls and I was able to follow some 
 instructions that someone had posted to get it working on my Mac.
 
 Here is a blog post that I wrote about this. I hope that if anyone else is 
 having this issue that this will help them to fix it.
 
 http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/facetime-audio-calls-finally-come-mac/
 Scott Rumery
 
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Re: Folder Action New Item Alert Now Works In Latest Mavericks Update

[Teresa Cochran]

How odd. Well, sorry it doesn't work as expected. Mine worked right off. You 
shouldn't have to download any scripts. I never did. They were already built in.

Teresa

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On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> hey,
> just letting you all know that mine seemed to work.
> it's the first time i have ever tried it.
> On 27 Feb 2014, at 12:16 am, Chris H  wrote:
> 
>> Oh great! You are having the same problem as me then.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> On 26/02/2014 12:27, Richard Ring wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>> When I point to my downloads folder and then go to the finder services 
>>> submenu, and choose folder action setup, the dialog doesn't open with 
>>> either VO space, or enter. Are there scripts I need to install?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
>>> Fielding
>>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro
>>> richr...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm happy to report that the folder actions script for notifying when a 
 new item is downloaded now works properly. This is a wonderful little 
 utility that Finder has. Basically, you find the folder you want, go to 
 the finder menu, and choose services submenu, then folder actions setup. A 
 dialog opens up and you can select the script you want to run when a 
 particular action is done to a folder. I always liked being notified when 
 a new item was placed in my downloads folder. Unfortunately, the script 
 didn't work when Mavericks first came out. Now it does. :)
 
 Teresa
 
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Re: Using FaceTime Audio

[Ray Foret Jr]

No prob, tell you what though, you were right about deleting the 
/Library/System Configuration/Facetime.plist file.  Works like a charm now.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:

> Well I guess that I goofed then didn't I? I will have to go and fix my post 
> now. Thank you for letting me know about my error.
> 
> 
> Scott Rumery
> 
> Whatever happens keep your sense of humor
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Jessica  wrote:
> 
>> it is in the contact info scrol area.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>> 
>>> Can you enlighten the list as to how to do this? I looked all through the 
>>> FaceTime interface yesterday and I didn't see anything about making a 
>>> FaceTime audio call from there.
>>> 
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> 
>>> Whatever happens keep your sense of humor
>>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 The poster is wrong about one thing.  You can too make Facetime audio only 
 calls inside Facetime.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
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> try was making an audio only call from my Mac. It took me some digging 
> around to figure out how to place the call and then when I did figure 
> this out my call kept failing.
> 
> After doing several searches on Google I stumbled across an Apple Support 
> thread on the failure of FaceTime calls and I was able to follow some 
> instructions that someone had posted to get it working on my Mac.
> 
> Here is a blog post that I wrote about this. I hope that if anyone else 
> is having this issue that this will help them to fix it.
> 
> http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/facetime-audio-calls-finally-come-mac/
> Scott Rumery
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Teresa Cochran]

Really, it's a judgement call. If you press delete on a thread, all of the 
messages in it are deleted. I might be more likely at times to read a thread 
that has more than one message in it. Also, there are times when I want to find 
out if someone has answered a question on the list. I don't want to be one of 
ten people posting the same answer to a question.

But really, I think it is a matter of preference. Some of us prefer hear ing 
the message count first. It's that simple. :)

Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:22 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> I will probably get flamed for saying this, but i don't understand why it's 
> so important to have conversation count first? I have to listen to the 
> subject and other stuff in order to deem it interesting or uninteresting 
> anyway so what does it matter where the conversation count is?
> What is it that i'm too stupid to understand?
> /Krister
> 
> 25 feb 2014 kl. 21:21 skrev Ray Foret Jr :
> 
>> Yes, it is in the progress bar.  One thing I notice right away is that apps 
>> tend to open a little more snappy than before, even on start up.  Also, when 
>> you come across a conversation in mail, (assuming you have mail set up to 
>> display messages by conversation) the conversation message count is given 
>> first.  Now, if only they would put the read or unread status right after 
>> it, now that would be sweet.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> I think it does, but I noticed it in the progress bar as I was updating.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
>>> Feynman
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Daniel McGee  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Haven't performed the update yet myself but how do you know how big the 
 file size is?
 Does it tell you before the update?
 On 25 Feb 2014, at 19:48, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
 
> LOL more's the point. I wasn't paying exact attention to the download 
> size, obviously. :)
> 
> teresa
> 
> "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> Try 769MB, lol. Either way, yes, putting it on AC is a good idea.
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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Deb Lewis]

Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day dream in 
my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be done 
pretty well.
First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have to use 
VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use Boot Camp 
if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted friends using 
Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel and except 
for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I know. So getting 
help is sometimes challenging.
If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll have 
to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box. Fortunately the 
Mac doesn't need so much. 
I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I finally 
wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite well. But that 
doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
I think your copy of WindowEyes will run in the virtual machine with Windows7 
but check with them to be sure. NVDA certainly will of course. 
be prepared for headaches though. You have to map some keys, resolve whatever 
conflicts arise about hardware and applications etc. I've found it to be pretty 
challenging at times. Reliability of help from the lists has been hit and miss 
too. 
Having said that, I'd probably do it again. 


On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to 
> have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a 
> super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for running 
> Windows.
> 
> We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth 
> keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a good 
> deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I want 
> OSX & Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.
> 
> I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the top 
> of my head.
> 
> 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
> 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes is 
> too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
> 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned Macs.  
> Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is one.  Power 
> of the machine, price, etc.
> http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN
> 
> 
> I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it, but 
> the SSD isn't very large, 128GB.
> 
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
> Traci
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Re: Using FaceTime Audio

[Scott Rumery]

I just made the edit to reflect the fact that you can place the call from the 
FaceTime app. Thanks for the heads up.


Scott Rumery

Whatever happens keep your sense of humor

On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> No prob, tell you what though, you were right about deleting the 
> /Library/System Configuration/Facetime.plist file.  Works like a charm now.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> 
>> Well I guess that I goofed then didn't I? I will have to go and fix my post 
>> now. Thank you for letting me know about my error.
>> 
>> 
>> Scott Rumery
>> 
>> Whatever happens keep your sense of humor
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Jessica  wrote:
>> 
>>> it is in the contact info scrol area.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>>> 
 Can you enlighten the list as to how to do this? I looked all through the 
 FaceTime interface yesterday and I didn't see anything about making a 
 FaceTime audio call from there.
 
 Scott Rumery
 
 Whatever happens keep your sense of humor
 
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> The poster is wrong about one thing.  You can too make Facetime audio 
> only calls inside Facetime.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> 
>> After updating to OS 10.9.2 yesterday the first thing that I wanted to 
>> try was making an audio only call from my Mac. It took me some digging 
>> around to figure out how to place the call and then when I did figure 
>> this out my call kept failing.
>> 
>> After doing several searches on Google I stumbled across an Apple 
>> Support thread on the failure of FaceTime calls and I was able to follow 
>> some instructions that someone had posted to get it working on my Mac.
>> 
>> Here is a blog post that I wrote about this. I hope that if anyone else 
>> is having this issue that this will help them to fix it.
>> 
>> http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/facetime-audio-calls-finally-come-mac/
>> Scott Rumery
>> 
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Re: a quick question about the bard mobile ap

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Jessica and Daniel,

In iTunes, go to your device in the sources list. Find the radio button that 
says "apps" and press it. VO-right till you get to the scroll area and interact 
with it. VO-right until you get to the "file sharing" area. There will be two 
tables here. One is the list of apps you have on your device that can share 
files. The other is the list of files within that app. Mine has Bard Mobile in 
the first table. Press the "add" button and add your zip file.

HtH,
teresa

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On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:49 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> Something I was curious about with that app; the article claimed when it 
> first came out, that you could transfer your existing books to the app via 
> itunes, but I can't figure out for the life of me how to do this.  Has anyone 
> else been able to do this?
>  I don't want to have to redownload the same books again, which can take a 
> while, and if I'm pressed for time, that can get annoying, so if anyone has 
> some tips, I'd really appreciate it.
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:18 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Sure.  Just go to your wish list on the app, then, when you find a book, 
>> double tap on it.  You will get a doalog asking if you want to download the 
>> book.  Answer yes to this.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:47 AM, Dana  wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know I have figured out how to find books put them in my wish 
>>> list but nott how to download them on the bard  ap can someone tell me how 
>>> it is done?
>>> Thanks
>>> Dana
>>> Skype and twitter ID's both the same
>>> djkitty73 
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Re: Folder Action New Item Alert Now Works In Latest Mavericks Update

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Chris and Richard!
I'm running Mountain Kitty still!
But I found I had to go to the services menu when just in finder without 
picking any folder, then opened it from there and I had to allow the item with 
a check box!
Then when I went to my Downloads and opened VO/shift/m and the alert option was 
now working!
Sorry made a bit of a mess with this but I hope you get the idea!
And it solves the problem!
Colin

On 26 Feb 2014, at 17:36, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> How odd. Well, sorry it doesn't work as expected. Mine worked right off. You 
> shouldn't have to download any scripts. I never did. They were already built 
> in.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> Visualize whirled peas.
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
>> hey,
>> just letting you all know that mine seemed to work.
>> it's the first time i have ever tried it.
>> On 27 Feb 2014, at 12:16 am, Chris H  wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh great! You are having the same problem as me then.
>>> 
>>> Regards Chris
>>> 
>>> On 26/02/2014 12:27, Richard Ring wrote:
 Hello!
 When I point to my downloads folder and then go to the finder services 
 submenu, and choose folder action setup, the dialog doesn't open with 
 either VO space, or enter. Are there scripts I need to install?
 
 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm happy to report that the folder actions script for notifying when a 
> new item is downloaded now works properly. This is a wonderful little 
> utility that Finder has. Basically, you find the folder you want, go to 
> the finder menu, and choose services submenu, then folder actions setup. 
> A dialog opens up and you can select the script you want to run when a 
> particular action is done to a folder. I always liked being notified when 
> a new item was placed in my downloads folder. Unfortunately, the script 
> didn't work when Mavericks first came out. Now it does. :)
> 
> Teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Cameron Strife]

Hi. I've had no trouble running windows seven ultimate 32 bit or 64
bit via bootcamp. It'll most likely be the best option. You're going
to have an easier time using a native install as opposed to a virtual
machine. And as for hardware/driver/application conflicts, I've had
none to speak of with my native windows install and that is on five
different macs at this point.

If you can afford the new mac mini server edition, that gives you two
1tb internal hard drives, an Intel I7 quad core processor, and more
ram than you'll probably need with the ability to add more later on if
required.

Just my two cents...

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On 2/26/14, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day dream
> in my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be
> done pretty well.
> First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have to use
> VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use Boot
> Camp if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
> The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted friends
> using Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel and
> except for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I know. So
> getting help is sometimes challenging.
> If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll
> have to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box.
> Fortunately the Mac doesn't need so much.
> I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I
> finally wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite well.
> But that doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
> I think your copy of WindowEyes will run in the virtual machine with
> Windows7 but check with them to be sure. NVDA certainly will of course.
> be prepared for headaches though. You have to map some keys, resolve
> whatever conflicts arise about hardware and applications etc. I've found it
> to be pretty challenging at times. Reliability of help from the lists has
> been hit and miss too.
> Having said that, I'd probably do it again.
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to
>> have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a
>> super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for
>> running Windows.
>>
>> We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth
>> keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a
>> good deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I
>> want OSX & Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.
>>
>> I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the
>> top of my head.
>>
>> 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
>> 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes
>> is too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
>> 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned
>> Macs.  Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is
>> one.  Power of the machine, price, etc.
>> http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN
>>
>>
>> I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it,
>> but the SSD isn't very large, 128GB.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
>> Traci
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Re: PDF documents and filling in PDF forms.

[Teresa Cochran]

Curious question: if you fill out a pdf form in TextEdit, does it use rtf 
format? Do you then have to export it again to pdf, and does it retain the 
formatting?

thanks,
teresa

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> I never knew you could open PDFs in TextEdit. that's cool. I'll need to try 
> this as I still have one Mac running Mountain Lion.
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Re: Folder Action New Item Alert Now Works In Latest Mavericks Update

[David Taylor]

Can't get that to work either.

Cheers
Dave

On 26 Feb 2014, at 18:03, Red.Falcon  wrote:

> Hi Chris and Richard!
> I'm running Mountain Kitty still!
> But I found I had to go to the services menu when just in finder without 
> picking any folder, then opened it from there and I had to allow the item 
> with a check box!
> Then when I went to my Downloads and opened VO/shift/m and the alert option 
> was now working!
> Sorry made a bit of a mess with this but I hope you get the idea!
> And it solves the problem!
> Colin
> 
> On 26 Feb 2014, at 17:36, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> How odd. Well, sorry it doesn't work as expected. Mine worked right off. You 
>> shouldn't have to download any scripts. I never did. They were already built 
>> in.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> Visualize whirled peas.
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> hey,
>>> just letting you all know that mine seemed to work.
>>> it's the first time i have ever tried it.
>>> On 27 Feb 2014, at 12:16 am, Chris H  wrote:
>>> 
 Oh great! You are having the same problem as me then.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 On 26/02/2014 12:27, Richard Ring wrote:
> Hello!
> When I point to my downloads folder and then go to the finder services 
> submenu, and choose folder action setup, the dialog doesn't open with 
> either VO space, or enter. Are there scripts I need to install?
> 
> 
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> Fielding
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> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm happy to report that the folder actions script for notifying when a 
>> new item is downloaded now works properly. This is a wonderful little 
>> utility that Finder has. Basically, you find the folder you want, go to 
>> the finder menu, and choose services submenu, then folder actions setup. 
>> A dialog opens up and you can select the script you want to run when a 
>> particular action is done to a folder. I always liked being notified 
>> when a new item was placed in my downloads folder. Unfortunately, the 
>> script didn't work when Mavericks first came out. Now it does. :)
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>> 
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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Aimee Harwood]

Thanks a bunch. Yes I have the brailliant coming hopefully Friday and the 
VarioConnect sometime next week. 

I brailled on the Focus for a good 4 and a half hours and felt no fatigue. We 
will have I see what happens with the others.

Aimee 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Aimee, having designed one of the family of displays you're looking at, 
> I'd obviously have a preference. :)
> Some of the comment you're getting clearly do not refer to the latest Focus 
> displays since they have referred to whiz wheels, a feature not on the new 
> products. The thing I would say about the latest Focus displays is that like 
> all Freedom Scientific products, blind people drove their design. When we 
> were putting them together, we did a lot of work with people who read and 
> write Braille, trying to optimise being able to work in Braille for long 
> periods with minimal fatigue and smooth traction with your fingers on the 
> display.
> I use JAWS BrailleIn for hours a day, since it's really just like Brailling 
> into a notetaker when using apps like Microsoft Word, it is that robust. And 
> I find that I can Braille for long periods without my wrists aching. There is 
> a lot of travel on the Focus keyboard which helps here, that may account for 
> some of the noise you're hearing, but I really find it pleasant and 
> comfortable compared to other devices I've played with.
> In terms of the space bar, we put it where we put it because when we watched 
> people using the mock-ups we had, we found that people's thumbs naturally 
> rested  in that position, so you're thumb is naturally ready to press space 
> if the key is located where it is on the Focus. Some displays require you to 
> tuck your thumb inwards. It's no big deal if you're Brailling for a short 
> time, but it can do damage if you have to keep tucking your thumb in like 
> that when you're Brailling for a long time. The difference between the 
> quality of input of the new Focus displays compared with the previous 
> generation is huge. We spent a lot of time on this because we realised that 
> JAWS BrailleIn had really changed the game in terms of how often people were 
> using these devices for input.
> Since this is a Mac/Apple-related list, let me try to ensure this is on topic 
> by saying that I use my Focus displays with my iPhone, and to a lesser extent 
> my Mac, regularly. The pairing is really robust. That's an important 
> consideration, because when you need to write or read something, you want it 
> to just work.
> But in reality, when connected to a screen reader, these displays get their 
> intelligence from the screen reader driver. Functionally, all these displays 
> will do the same thing with your Apple devices. It will come down to price, 
> ergonomics, how quickly you can get the unit turned around when you need it 
> maintained.
> It sounds like you're in a position to get your hands, literally, on some of 
> these devices and I think that's the best approach.
> Happy searching. Braille is beautiful!
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 26/02/2014, at 5:55 pm, Aimee Harwood  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Jonathan. I actually agree that the prices have come down a good bit. 
>> I am getting the display purchased for me, so I can go for the larger 
>> display if need be. I had hoped that you would have given me some of your 
>> wonderful insight on pros and cons of the displays that I had listed. I 
>> currently don't have any access to JAWS but may in the future.  
>> 
>> I spent the afternoon with the focus 40 connected to my iPad and used it to 
>> type some lengthy notes. To me it was a good bit noisier all the way  around 
>> compared to my Refreshabraille. The keys were louder and the display 
>> changing pins around was louder as well. I had to get used to putting my 
>> pinkies back to work again. They don't have anything to do on my 
>> Refreshabraille. I did decide that the 40 cells will be better for me. It 
>> took me a bit to get used to having the space bar further away from my other 
>> fingers, but after a while it was pretty comfortable. 
>> 
>> So is there anyone that can from experience, give me some pros and coms of 
>> the displays I listed in my original message? If possible, please focus more 
>> on Apple products when giving those pros and coms. 
>> 
>> 
>> I really like to do a lot of research and comparing before a purchase is 
>> made so that I don't regret my choice down the road.I greatly appreciate 
>> everyones input so far.
>> 
>> Aimee 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think it's also important to remember that there has been downward 
>>> pressure on Braille display prices over the last decade. In 2004, you'd be 
>>> looking at at least $5,000 USD for a 40 cell display. Manufacturing 
>>> processes have improv

Re: PDF documents and filling in PDF forms.

[Chris Blouch]

Just a little tip. I've had folks who received a PDF I filled out with 
textEdit say that the stuff I filled out wouldn't print. Not sure why 
that was but I cheated and re-printed it to a PDF on my end and that 
seemed to fix it. To do that, even if you don't have a printer set up on 
the Mac, you just hit command-P. This will pop a print dialog with 
various printer options including picking a printer. Mine said No 
Printer Selected. Anyway, ignore most of what's in that dialog and just 
after the help button you'll find a PDF Menu button and if you drop that 
down you'll find Save As PDF as the second option. In general, you can 
use this to make a PDF of most document and web pages. Might not always 
be super accessible since it's just redirecting printer output. That 
sometimes puts parts of the page out of order and other common problems, 
but it can be handy.


CB

On 2/26/14 1:11 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

Curious question: if you fill out a pdf form in TextEdit, does it use rtf 
format? Do you then have to export it again to pdf, and does it retain the 
formatting?

thanks,
teresa

Visualize whirled peas.

On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:


I never knew you could open PDFs in TextEdit. that's cool. I'll need to try 
this as I still have one Mac running Mountain Lion.

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Re: PDF documents and filling in PDF forms.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Can you make a formal what you have printed it to PDF as I had problems filling 
out a form yesterday. I had to email it to my work address and do it on Windows.

> On 26 Feb 2014, at 06:23 pm, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
> Just a little tip. I've had folks who received a PDF I filled out with 
> textEdit say that the stuff I filled out wouldn't print. Not sure why that 
> was but I cheated and re-printed it to a PDF on my end and that seemed to fix 
> it. To do that, even if you don't have a printer set up on the Mac, you just 
> hit command-P. This will pop a print dialog with various printer options 
> including picking a printer. Mine said No Printer Selected. Anyway, ignore 
> most of what's in that dialog and just after the help button you'll find a 
> PDF Menu button and if you drop that down you'll find Save As PDF as the 
> second option. In general, you can use this to make a PDF of most document 
> and web pages. Might not always be super accessible since it's just 
> redirecting printer output. That sometimes puts parts of the page out of 
> order and other common problems, but it can be handy.
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 2/26/14 1:11 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> Curious question: if you fill out a pdf form in TextEdit, does it use rtf 
>> format? Do you then have to export it again to pdf, and does it retain the 
>> formatting?
>> 
>> thanks,
>> teresa
>> 
>> Visualize whirled peas.
>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I never knew you could open PDFs in TextEdit. that's cool. I'll need to try 
>>> this as I still have one Mac running Mountain Lion.
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Re: help with a few commands

[Anne Robertson]

First of all, on a laptop, Home is FN-Left Arrow, End is FN-Right arrow, Page 
up is FN-Up arrow and Page down is FN-Down arrow.

Go to top of window = VO-Cmd-Home;
Go to bottom of window = VO-Cmd-End;
Go to first visible item = VO-Home;
Go to last visible item = VO-End;
Go to first item = VO-Shift-Home;
Go to last item = VO-Shift-End.

Within text areas such as text documents, text fields and e-mails, you can use 
the normal arrow keys. Here are some commands:
Go to beginning of document, Cmd-Up arrow;
Go to end of document, Cmd-Down arrow;
Go to beginning of line, Cmd-Left arrow;
Go to end of line, Cmd-Right arrow;
Go to beginning of paragraph, Option-Up arrow;
Go to end of paragraph, Option-Down arrow;
Go Right one character, Right arrow;
Go left one character, Left arrow;
Go right one word, Option-Right arrow;
Go left one word, Option-Left arrow.
Adding the Shift key will highlight text.

Cheers,

Anne



On 26 Feb 2014, at 18:24, isaac  wrote:

> First to go to  the top of a screen or bottom of a screen  the commands are 
> vo function shift left arrow and right arrow that is control option function 
> left arrow and right arrow. 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
>> Hi All, 
>> 
>> I am forgetting or just never really knew, the commands to do the following. 
>> 
>> Go to top of a screen or web page.
>> Go to bottom of a screen or web page.Go to top of a mail message and bottom 
>> of said message. 
>> 
>> I'll take either the VO commands or the general Mac commands or both. 
>> 
>> Thanks. 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
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Re: new mac user please help

[Simon Cavendish]

Dear Zoe,

Welcome to the group. I, too, am a Greek speaker and I, too, chose to switch to 
Mac because of the many language Apple offers. I've learnt Greek, and in fact, 
I'm still continuing my classes with a tutor in Cyprus.

Now to your questions. Isaac has already told you how to switch languages on 
the fly. I hope that this is working well for you now.

The second point is more complex, and I will try to explain. My knowledge of 
this comes from the very many exchanges I've had over the years with the 
members of the group, so I owe it all to them.

The reason why you call up spotlight search is that the shortcut key 
combination command+spacebar is assigned to spotlight. You need to disassociate 
this combination with spotlight and than assign it or activate it for the input 
source. It's a while since I have done it, so forgive me if I make an error. 
Someone else on the list may correct me on this.

1. Open system preferences by going to the dock with control+f3. You should 
here voiceover say "dock". Once in the dock, you can type three first letters 
"sys" to land immediately on system preferences. Press enter. System 
preferences will open. You will be probably in the toolbar of system 
preferences where you have back forward buttons and search field. Stop 
interacting with the toolbar by pressing vo+shift+uparrow and vo + right arrow 
when you will here preferences pane. 

2. Interact with preference pain and vo+right arrow to find the button 
"keyboard" or else start typing the word keyboard and you should land on this 
button. Press vo+spacebar on this button to open keyboard preferences.

3. In keyboard preferences you will have several tabs. As you vo+right arrow 
through the window, you will hear the word tab and highlighted. The highlighted 
tab is th the one which is currently active. 

4. Find the tab which says shortcuts. Press vo+spacebar on it to highlighted. 
It will now read "highlighted". Continue vo+right arrow to find two tables 
where you will need to make choices and perform actions. Remember to interact 
with a table you need to press vo+shift+down arrow and to stop interacting you 
press vo+shift+uparrow. Once you interact with the table you can vo+down or up 
arrow through the rows and vo+left or right arrow to examine each row.

5. Interact with the first table and find the category "spotlight". Once you 
land on it, stop interacting with the table. The item "spotlight" will now be 
highlighted. Move vo+right to the next table of shortcuts. 

6. Interact with the second table and uncheck the boxes next to the spotlight 
actions. 

7. Stop interacting with the table and move back to the previous table of 
"shortcut categories". Interact with it and find the category "input source'. 
Stop interacting and move to the shortcuts table

8. Interact with shortcuts table and vo+down arrow until you find previous and 
next input source items. To the left of each item there's a checkbox. Check 
them and to the right of each item there should be a description of the 
shortcut key. 

This is the point where my memory fails me. I can't now remember whether I had 
assigned command+spacebar to the next input source myself or whether it was 
already assigned and I just needed to check the box next to the action item. I 
hope the latter is the case. Try this, and if it doesn't work, you will need to 
assign the shortcut combination. I hope it won't be necessary. 

I did however have to assign a new shortcut to Spotlight. This is maybe for 
later.

Hope this helps, and if you have any more questions, please ask.

Also, there's a very useful macvisionaries archive page whose url is:
macvisionaries

With best wishes

Simon


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Re: new mac user please help

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

nope, its not VO f8, its VO + H
On 26 Feb 2014, at 05:55 pm, Jamie Pauls  wrote:

> Be aware that VO F8 twice will bring you to the list of VoiceOver keyboard 
> commands. The commands are grouped in such a way that you can easily locate 
> what you need when you need it. There are a potentially overwhelming number 
> of VO commands to learn if you try to memorize them all at once, so you're 
> better off learning the ones you need as you complete your daily tasks on the 
> Mac.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Zoe Fiogkos
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:38 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new mac user please help
>  
> I will try this option and let you all know how it works. Also you mentioned 
> the quickstart voiceover tutorial and yes I did this and it has helped a 
> little. Of course I have a lot of knew keyboard commands to memorize and it 
> will take a while. Thank you for your help. Will try your recommendation soon.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of isaac
> Sent: February-26-14 9:56 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mac user please help
>  
> To switch voices press control option command left arrow and right arrow and 
> use the up and arrows to  to make ajustments.
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi everyone, so I finally took the big dive and got my new iMac and of course 
> coming from the world of windows I'm totally lost. However I am also excited 
> to learn something new. I did purchase apple care and I also belong to this 
> great list so these options should help, and even though I feel like I'm at 
> the bottom of a huge mountain with the peak no where in sight I'm looking 
> forward to climbing and exploring this new mountain.
> The first thing I did is the voiceover tutorial and that helped a little. My 
> first questions that I need help with is as follows.
> One of the reasons I went with Mac is because apple offers voiceover in other 
> languages and one of those languages is my native tongue.  I've downloaded 
> the voice that is assigned to my native tongue which is Greek. I have also 
> added the keyboard input source of Greek, up until this point everything is 
> okay.
> I figured out that to change the keyboard layout from Canadian English to 
> Greek the hotkey is command spacebar, again great it works.  Heres where the 
> first problem comes in. when I open the notes from the doc and I start typing 
> everything is okay, but when I press command spacebar to switch to the Greek 
> voiceover says spot light search, it types in Greek but not in the body of 
> the document and of course when I press enter it takes me to the internet.
> Can anyone help.  I thought about trying it out on pages which is listed in 
> the doc but I don't think I have pages even though its listed in the doc.
> The second problem is I can't find a hotkey for switching voices/languages 
> with a hotkey.
> Does anyone know how I can do this using the keyboard?  I don't want to 
> always want to half to open the voiceover utility or system preferences just 
> to switch voices or languages, I'm assuming and hoping there is a hotkey for 
> this action.
> Of course I have a thousand more questions but let's start with these, and 
> hopefully someone can help me with this before I move to something else.
> I would appreciate any help and advice.
> Thanks in advance,
> Your friendly neighbourhood lister and new Mac user,
> Zoe
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Re: How does conversation threading work on the Mac?

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I am trying to finally learn using the newer mail layout in other words not 
classic view. Two questions . One when viewing a thread if you come across a 
message in the thread that you don't want to delete is there a way to jump to 
th next message in the thread? I often delete the messages I have read but like 
to save the messages I might want to reference later.

also when you delete messages and a new message comes in to that thread do the 
messages you have already deleted reappear in the thread count or since you 
deleted them the response is just treated as a new individual message. Thanks,
On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> For me, when coming upon a conversation, I press return on it, which opens 
> the entire conversation and the first message in the conversation will start 
> being read by VO.  I Stop Interacting with the message, then I can go 
> VO-right or VO-left reading each of the messages in the thread.  I can press 
> the Delete key to remove the message I'm reading and can press cmd-w to close 
> the entire thread and again press the Delete key to remove the whole thread 
> of messages.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:29 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Works real well.  Just have mail orgnaize messages by conversation.  Then, 
>> when you come across a thread of messages, you will be informed how many 
>> messages there are.  To actually open the conversation, use the right arrow 
>> key alone.  Now, you can move down message by message.  To close the 
>> conversation, use the left arrow.  Then, when you press the delete key, you 
>> take out all messages in that conversation.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:08 AM, Daniel McGee  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all, for those who use it. How do you use conversation threading on 
>>> the Mac with Mail?
>>> Previously, I was using the standard view with Mail where all messages come 
>>> in at once and arrowing up to hear each one with the preview pain turned 
>>> on. I have also messed around with the classic view of mail but didn't 
>>> really like that much because I found at times I was losing my place when I 
>>> get a lot of messages e.g. from this list. So have switched back to the 
>>> standard view.
>>> Now though, I'd like to have a go at conversation threading and for those 
>>> who use it could you tell me how it works and more importantly how 
>>> effectively you can use it with Voiceover.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks
>>> 
>>> Daniel
>>> 
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Re: How does conversation threading work on the Mac?

[Teresa Cochran]

There are several ways to go about it. When you're focused on a conversation in 
the message list, you can press VO-backslash or right-arrow to open it. I 
consider the arrow method to be less reliable, though. Then you can down-arrow 
through the messages in that conversation. You can also press VO-J when on a 
conversation in the message list. This will take you to the text of the first 
message. The only problem with that method for me is that in order to go to 
another message body, you have to stop interacting with that message text, then 
VO right. I use this method myself: I find a conversation in the list, stop 
interacting with the message column, then VO right to the content area. You can 
VO-left- and right-arrow through the conversation. The only problem a lot of 
people have with this is that you hear "embedded" a lot and the sender and 
subject of the message when you do this. This doesn't really bother me. Opening 
the conversation with vO-backslash is the other method I use, because I havd 
set my preview to five lines, and I can hear enough of the message that way to 
find out whether I want to hear more when I interact with the content area.

there are a couple of settings to check. First, in the viewing tab of Mail 
preferences, set it up the way you want, whether you want the last message 
first or vice versa. Also, if you use "related messages" these will show up 
again in your mailbox and be included in your message count. Otherwise, the 
message count in the conversation doesn't include past messages.

A very important thing to keep in mind when using the new view is that the 
messages will be marked as read once you've focused on them, unless you decide 
not to use the preview pane.

Sorry about the long-winded post, but it's a wee bit complicated. :)

Hth,
teresa

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
dark to read."--Groucho Marx

On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I am trying to finally learn using the newer mail layout in other words not 
> classic view. Two questions . One when viewing a thread if you come across a 
> message in the thread that you don't want to delete is there a way to jump to 
> th next message in the thread? I often delete the messages I have read but 
> like to save the messages I might want to reference later.
> 
> also when you delete messages and a new message comes in to that thread do 
> the messages you have already deleted reappear in the thread count or since 
> you deleted them the response is just treated as a new individual message. 
> Thanks,
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For me, when coming upon a conversation, I press return on it, which opens 
>> the entire conversation and the first message in the conversation will start 
>> being read by VO.  I Stop Interacting with the message, then I can go 
>> VO-right or VO-left reading each of the messages in the thread.  I can press 
>> the Delete key to remove the message I'm reading and can press cmd-w to 
>> close the entire thread and again press the Delete key to remove the whole 
>> thread of messages.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:29 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Works real well.  Just have mail orgnaize messages by conversation.  Then, 
>>> when you come across a thread of messages, you will be informed how many 
>>> messages there are.  To actually open the conversation, use the right arrow 
>>> key alone.  Now, you can move down message by message.  To close the 
>>> conversation, use the left arrow.  Then, when you press the delete key, you 
>>> take out all messages in that conversation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:08 AM, Daniel McGee  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all, for those who use it. How do you use conversation threading on 
 the Mac with Mail?
 Previously, I was using the standard view with Mail where all messages 
 come in at once and arrowing up to hear each one with the preview pain 
 turned on. I have also messed around with the classic view of mail but 
 didn't really like that much because I found at times I was losing my 
 place when I get a lot of messages e.g. from this list. So have switched 
 back to the standard view.
 Now though, I'd like to have a go at conversation threading and for those 
 who use it could you tell me how it works and more importantly how 
 effectively you can use it with Voiceover.
 
 Many thanks
 
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Re: How does conversation threading work on the Mac?

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Teresa,

No not long winded but helpful. Thanks for explaining. The strange thing is I 
couldn't get VO back slash to expand the messages in a thread but in the same 
place the right arrow did the trick, will have to play around with this, as I 
definitely now see some major benefits to using this view for mail with 
threading instead of the classic view. Thanks again
On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> There are several ways to go about it. When you're focused on a conversation 
> in the message list, you can press VO-backslash or right-arrow to open it. I 
> consider the arrow method to be less reliable, though. Then you can 
> down-arrow through the messages in that conversation. You can also press VO-J 
> when on a conversation in the message list. This will take you to the text of 
> the first message. The only problem with that method for me is that in order 
> to go to another message body, you have to stop interacting with that message 
> text, then VO right. I use this method myself: I find a conversation in the 
> list, stop interacting with the message column, then VO right to the content 
> area. You can VO-left- and right-arrow through the conversation. The only 
> problem a lot of people have with this is that you hear "embedded" a lot and 
> the sender and subject of the message when you do this. This doesn't really 
> bother me. Opening the conversation with vO-backslash is the other method I 
> use, because I havd set my preview to five lines, and I can hear enough of 
> the message that way to find out whether I want to hear more when I interact 
> with the content area.
> 
> there are a couple of settings to check. First, in the viewing tab of Mail 
> preferences, set it up the way you want, whether you want the last message 
> first or vice versa. Also, if you use "related messages" these will show up 
> again in your mailbox and be included in your message count. Otherwise, the 
> message count in the conversation doesn't include past messages.
> 
> A very important thing to keep in mind when using the new view is that the 
> messages will be marked as read once you've focused on them, unless you 
> decide not to use the preview pane.
> 
> Sorry about the long-winded post, but it's a wee bit complicated. :)
> 
> Hth,
> teresa
> 
> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I am trying to finally learn using the newer mail layout in other words not 
>> classic view. Two questions . One when viewing a thread if you come across a 
>> message in the thread that you don't want to delete is there a way to jump 
>> to th next message in the thread? I often delete the messages I have read 
>> but like to save the messages I might want to reference later.
>> 
>> also when you delete messages and a new message comes in to that thread do 
>> the messages you have already deleted reappear in the thread count or since 
>> you deleted them the response is just treated as a new individual message. 
>> Thanks,
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> For me, when coming upon a conversation, I press return on it, which opens 
>>> the entire conversation and the first message in the conversation will 
>>> start being read by VO.  I Stop Interacting with the message, then I can go 
>>> VO-right or VO-left reading each of the messages in the thread.  I can 
>>> press the Delete key to remove the message I'm reading and can press cmd-w 
>>> to close the entire thread and again press the Delete key to remove the 
>>> whole thread of messages.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:29 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Works real well.  Just have mail orgnaize messages by conversation.  Then, 
 when you come across a thread of messages, you will be informed how many 
 messages there are.  To actually open the conversation, use the right 
 arrow key alone.  Now, you can move down message by message.  To close the 
 conversation, use the left arrow.  Then, when you press the delete key, 
 you take out all messages in that conversation.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:08 AM, Daniel McGee  
 wrote:
 
> Hello all, for those who use it. How do you use conversation threading on 
> the Mac with Mail?
> Previously, I was using the standard view with Mail where all messages 
> come in at once and arrowing up to hear each one with the preview pain 
> turned on. I have also messed around with the classic view of mail but 
> didn't really like that much because I found at times I was losing my 
> place whe

Re: finger computer for OCR

[David Chittenden]

This is not the first device of the type. It may well be the smallest.

I beta tested a similar device a few years ago to help assess how it might work 
for blind users.

The problem with these devices and the blind is, these devices require exact 
tracking of each line of text. They also require that the user keep the text in 
very good vertical alignment. Both tasks are easy for sighted people, and 
almost impossible for blind people.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Feb 2014, at 5:45, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> First, forgive the cross-post and the OT post., but as I know reading is a 
>> subject that occupies much space on both lists, it seemed appropriate to 
>> post to both.
>>  
>> Below is a link I received to an article about a new product under 
>> development.  It’s a device that you wear on your finger, and then scan 
>> across a line of text to hear it read out loud.  It obviously has a ways to 
>> go before it would be practical to use, but wow, what cool possibilities it 
>> could open up, if the OCR capability is decent.
>>  
>> http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/finger-computer-reads-books-aloud-140221.htm?utm_source=TW&utm_medium=DNews&utm_campaign=DNewsSocial
>>  
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: finger computer for OCR

[David Chittenden]

Actually, it would be much more difficult to focus than the iPhone. You need to 
know where each line of text starts, and you need to track each line precisely 
whilst keeping the text with as little skew as possible. If you think the 
iPhone is difficult for OCR, you would find this device virtually unusable. 

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> On 26 Feb 2014, at 12:09, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Erik,
> 
> I don’t think anyone would ever read War and Peace with either device, but it 
> could provide an interesting alternative for short documents.  Probably 
> similar to Prismo and Text Grabber, but it seems it might be easier to focus 
> once you got the hang of it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:47 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,  I've personally been intrigued by the Ectaco C-Pen 3.5 for over a 
>> year now.  I haven't bought the thing because my business started to impload 
>> last year around my personal problems and there was never enough resources 
>> to expense the $150 unit.  The reviews on it are extremely mixed and I have 
>> not been able to reach the company to set up an evaluation but the promo 
>> material looks pretty awsome.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>>> On 2014-02-25, at 11:45 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi all,
  
 First, forgive the cross-post and the OT post., but as I know reading is a 
 subject that occupies much space on both lists, it seemed appropriate to 
 post to both.
  
 Below is a link I received to an article about a new product under 
 development.  It’s a device that you wear on your finger, and then scan 
 across a line of text to hear it read out loud.  It obviously has a ways 
 to go before it would be practical to use, but wow, what cool 
 possibilities it could open up, if the OCR capability is decent.
  
 http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/finger-computer-reads-books-aloud-140221.htm?utm_source=TW&utm_medium=DNews&utm_campaign=DNewsSocial
  
 Cheers,
 Donna
>>> 
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What view am I using in Mail?

[Chris H]

Hi all
Subject says it all, what view am I in if Mail displays the from, 
subject, date received etc in that order? Oh yes it's status, from, 
subject then date received? Using Os X 10.9.2 on a Macbook Pro 2012 
model. Thanks!

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Re: How does conversation threading work on the Mac?

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Teresa. What used to work really well for me, is opening the conversation 
with right-arrow, then using VO-J to interact with each message. I press the 
delete key to get rid of the message, and I'm right back on my message list 
where I can hear the name of the next participant in the conversation. I prefer 
this method because if you open the message by pressing Return or command-O, 
you get the subject name spoken at the beginning of every message, then when 
you delete that message, the name of the mailbox you're in is spoken. It's an 
efficiency drain.
The only trouble with this method I use is that as of Mavericks, pressing VO-J 
doesn't work every time. I've seen this on my partner's and my Mac so it's not 
just specific to me. When I get into this mode, it requires three presses of 
VO-J to go from being int eh conversation list to the message body. Sometimes 
it works as it should, with one press, but most of the time it does not. It's a 
shame that one never got fixed.
Jonathan Mosen
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Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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On 27/02/2014, at 8:26 am, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> There are several ways to go about it. When you're focused on a conversation 
> in the message list, you can press VO-backslash or right-arrow to open it. I 
> consider the arrow method to be less reliable, though. Then you can 
> down-arrow through the messages in that conversation. You can also press VO-J 
> when on a conversation in the message list. This will take you to the text of 
> the first message. The only problem with that method for me is that in order 
> to go to another message body, you have to stop interacting with that message 
> text, then VO right. I use this method myself: I find a conversation in the 
> list, stop interacting with the message column, then VO right to the content 
> area. You can VO-left- and right-arrow through the conversation. The only 
> problem a lot of people have with this is that you hear "embedded" a lot and 
> the sender and subject of the message when you do this. This doesn't really 
> bother me. Opening the conversation with vO-backslash is the other method I 
> use, because I havd set my preview to five lines, and I can hear enough of 
> the message that way to find out whether I want to hear more when I interact 
> with the content area.
> 
> there are a couple of settings to check. First, in the viewing tab of Mail 
> preferences, set it up the way you want, whether you want the last message 
> first or vice versa. Also, if you use "related messages" these will show up 
> again in your mailbox and be included in your message count. Otherwise, the 
> message count in the conversation doesn't include past messages.
> 
> A very important thing to keep in mind when using the new view is that the 
> messages will be marked as read once you've focused on them, unless you 
> decide not to use the preview pane.
> 
> Sorry about the long-winded post, but it's a wee bit complicated. :)
> 
> Hth,
> teresa
> 
> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I am trying to finally learn using the newer mail layout in other words not 
>> classic view. Two questions . One when viewing a thread if you come across a 
>> message in the thread that you don't want to delete is there a way to jump 
>> to th next message in the thread? I often delete the messages I have read 
>> but like to save the messages I might want to reference later.
>> 
>> also when you delete messages and a new message comes in to that thread do 
>> the messages you have already deleted reappear in the thread count or since 
>> you deleted them the response is just treated as a new individual message. 
>> Thanks,
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> For me, when coming upon a conversation, I press return on it, which opens 
>>> the entire conversation and the first message in the conversation will 
>>> start being read by VO.  I Stop Interacting with the message, then I can go 
>>> VO-right or VO-left reading each of the messages in the thread.  I can 
>>> press the Delete key to remove the message I'm reading and can press cmd-w 
>>> to close the entire thread and again press the Delete key to remove the 
>>> whole thread of messages.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:29 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Works real well.  Just have mail orgnaize messages by conversation.  Then, 
 when you come across a thread of messages, you will be informed how many 
 messages there are.  To actually open the conversation, use the right 
 arrow key alone.  Now, you can move down message by message.  To close the 
 conversation, use the left arrow.  Then, when you press the delete key, 
 you take out all messages in that conv

Re: help with a few commands

[Jenine Stanley]

Giant thanks Anne, 

I figured it was something simple. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> First of all, on a laptop, Home is FN-Left Arrow, End is FN-Right arrow, Page 
> up is FN-Up arrow and Page down is FN-Down arrow.
> 
> Go to top of window = VO-Cmd-Home;
> Go to bottom of window = VO-Cmd-End;
> Go to first visible item = VO-Home;
> Go to last visible item = VO-End;
> Go to first item = VO-Shift-Home;
> Go to last item = VO-Shift-End.
> 
> Within text areas such as text documents, text fields and e-mails, you can 
> use the normal arrow keys. Here are some commands:
> Go to beginning of document, Cmd-Up arrow;
> Go to end of document, Cmd-Down arrow;
> Go to beginning of line, Cmd-Left arrow;
> Go to end of line, Cmd-Right arrow;
> Go to beginning of paragraph, Option-Up arrow;
> Go to end of paragraph, Option-Down arrow;
> Go Right one character, Right arrow;
> Go left one character, Left arrow;
> Go right one word, Option-Right arrow;
> Go left one word, Option-Left arrow.
> Adding the Shift key will highlight text.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> On 26 Feb 2014, at 18:24, isaac  wrote:
> 
>> First to go to  the top of a screen or bottom of a screen  the commands are 
>> vo function shift left arrow and right arrow that is control option function 
>> left arrow and right arrow. 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Jenine Stanley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All, 
>>> 
>>> I am forgetting or just never really knew, the commands to do the 
>>> following. 
>>> 
>>> Go to top of a screen or web page.
>>> Go to bottom of a screen or web page.Go to top of a mail message and bottom 
>>> of said message. 
>>> 
>>> I'll take either the VO commands or the general Mac commands or both. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks. 
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Traci]

Thank you for the advice so far.

I don't know why I said parallels, what I really meant was Boot Camp. I do want 
the experiences to be separate.

If I have a windows installation cd and I'm using boot camp, are the drivers 
found automatically for me?

Traci 

> On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Cameron Strife  
> wrote:I
> 
> Hi. I've had no trouble running windows seven ultimate 32 bit or 64
> bit via bootcamp. It'll most likely be the best option. You're going
> to have an easier time using a native install as opposed to a virtual
> machine. And as for hardware/driver/application conflicts, I've had
> none to speak of with my native windows install and that is on five
> different macs at this point.
> 
> If you can afford the new mac mini server edition, that gives you two
> 1tb internal hard drives, an Intel I7 quad core processor, and more
> ram than you'll probably need with the ability to add more later on if
> required.
> 
> Just my two cents...
> 
> Cameron.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2/26/14, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>> Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day dream
>> in my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be
>> done pretty well.
>> First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have to use
>> VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use Boot
>> Camp if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
>> The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted friends
>> using Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel and
>> except for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I know. So
>> getting help is sometimes challenging.
>> If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll
>> have to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box.
>> Fortunately the Mac doesn't need so much.
>> I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I
>> finally wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite well.
>> But that doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
>> I think your copy of WindowEyes will run in the virtual machine with
>> Windows7 but check with them to be sure. NVDA certainly will of course.
>> be prepared for headaches though. You have to map some keys, resolve
>> whatever conflicts arise about hardware and applications etc. I've found it
>> to be pretty challenging at times. Reliability of help from the lists has
>> been hit and miss too.
>> Having said that, I'd probably do it again.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to
>>> have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a
>>> super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for
>>> running Windows.
>>> 
>>> We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth
>>> keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a
>>> good deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I
>>> want OSX & Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.
>>> 
>>> I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the
>>> top of my head.
>>> 
>>> 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
>>> 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes
>>> is too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
>>> 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned
>>> Macs.  Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is
>>> one.  Power of the machine, price, etc.
>>> http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it,
>>> but the SSD isn't very large, 128GB.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
>>> Traci
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Re: What view am I using in Mail?

[Traci Duncan]

That sounds like classic view to me.  Can you VO left & right arrow between 
those columns?  
On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Chris H  wrote:

> Hi all
> Subject says it all, what view am I in if Mail displays the from, subject, 
> date received etc in that order? Oh yes it's status, from, subject then date 
> received? Using Os X 10.9.2 on a Macbook Pro 2012 model. Thanks!
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Bad News About iBooks

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, folks,

I've discovered that unfortunately, VO only reads the first paragraph of each 
chapter in the latest Mavericks update. This has deteriorated usability even 
further. Does anyone else get similar results? I do think that if you invoke 
system speech from the edit menu, it will read the entire chapter. However, I 
use mostly braille, so this doesn't help me much. I guess it'll be strictly 
back to iOS until or unless this gets fixed. I bought this book in the iBooks 
store, so it could be some artifact in this specific title.

Teresa

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Re: Bad News About iBooks

[Richard Ring]

This is terrible! I can no longer read any of the iBooks on my system! You fix 
some, you break some. That is what software updates bring!


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On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, folks,
> 
> I've discovered that unfortunately, VO only reads the first paragraph of each 
> chapter in the latest Mavericks update. This has deteriorated usability even 
> further. Does anyone else get similar results? I do think that if you invoke 
> system speech from the edit menu, it will read the entire chapter. However, I 
> use mostly braille, so this doesn't help me much. I guess it'll be strictly 
> back to iOS until or unless this gets fixed. I bought this book in the iBooks 
> store, so it could be some artifact in this specific title.
> 
> Teresa
>   
> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
> 
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Re: finger computer for OCR

[Donna Goodin]

Actually, David, I'd have to disagree.  This may be one of those subjective 
things that's different for different people.   But I used an Optacon as a kid, 
and with a little practice had no problem moving the device across the page.  I 
think that for me, having the physical page as an anchor would be easier than 
just figuring out where in the air to let my iPhone hover.  But again, this may 
be a subjective thing.
Cheers,
Donna
On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:14 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Actually, it would be much more difficult to focus than the iPhone. You need 
> to know where each line of text starts, and you need to track each line 
> precisely whilst keeping the text with as little skew as possible. If you 
> think the iPhone is difficult for OCR, you would find this device virtually 
> unusable. 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 26 Feb 2014, at 12:09, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Erik,
>> 
>> I don't think anyone would ever read War and Peace with either device, but 
>> it could provide an interesting alternative for short documents.  Probably 
>> similar to Prismo and Text Grabber, but it seems it might be easier to focus 
>> once you got the hang of it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:47 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donna,  I've personally been intrigued by the Ectaco C-Pen 3.5 for over 
>>> a year now.  I haven't bought the thing because my business started to 
>>> impload last year around my personal problems and there was never enough 
>>> resources to expense the $150 unit.  The reviews on it are extremely mixed 
>>> and I have not been able to reach the company to set up an evaluation but 
>>> the promo material looks pretty awsome.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> 
>>> On 2014-02-25, at 11:45 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 
> Hi all,
>  
> First, forgive the cross-post and the OT post., but as I know reading is 
> a subject that occupies much space on both lists, it seemed appropriate 
> to post to both.
>  
> Below is a link I received to an article about a new product under 
> development.  It's a device that you wear on your finger, and then scan 
> across a line of text to hear it read out loud.  It obviously has a ways 
> to go before it would be practical to use, but wow, what cool 
> possibilities it could open up, if the OCR capability is decent.
>  
> http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/finger-computer-reads-books-aloud-140221.htm?utm_source=TW&utm_medium=DNews&utm_campaign=DNewsSocial
>  
> Cheers,
> Donna
 
 
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Re: Bad News About iBooks

[Teresa Cochran]

Did you try reading some books on the computer? I may open another book now and 
see if I get the same results.

Teresa

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On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:

> This is terrible! I can no longer read any of the iBooks on my system! You 
> fix some, you break some. That is what software updates bring!
> 
> 
> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
> richr...@gmail.com
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, folks,
>> 
>> I've discovered that unfortunately, VO only reads the first paragraph of 
>> each chapter in the latest Mavericks update. This has deteriorated usability 
>> even further. Does anyone else get similar results? I do think that if you 
>> invoke system speech from the edit menu, it will read the entire chapter. 
>> However, I use mostly braille, so this doesn't help me much. I guess it'll 
>> be strictly back to iOS until or unless this gets fixed. I bought this book 
>> in the iBooks store, so it could be some artifact in this specific title.
>> 
>> Teresa
>>  
>> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
>> 
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Re: Bad News About iBooks

[Richard Ring]

Absolutely! I can't even read a paragraph any more!


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On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Did you try reading some books on the computer? I may open another book now 
> and see if I get the same results.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:
> 
>> This is terrible! I can no longer read any of the iBooks on my system! You 
>> fix some, you break some. That is what software updates bring!
>> 
>> 
>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
>> richr...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, folks,
>>> 
>>> I've discovered that unfortunately, VO only reads the first paragraph of 
>>> each chapter in the latest Mavericks update. This has deteriorated 
>>> usability even further. Does anyone else get similar results? I do think 
>>> that if you invoke system speech from the edit menu, it will read the 
>>> entire chapter. However, I use mostly braille, so this doesn't help me 
>>> much. I guess it'll be strictly back to iOS until or unless this gets 
>>> fixed. I bought this book in the iBooks store, so it could be some artifact 
>>> in this specific title.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
>>> 
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