Re: mac os7 with outspoken

[Chris H]

Woa! What emulator is this and where can we get it? Sounds interesting!

Regards Chris

On 24/02/2014 22:24, Josh wrote:

Hi

I am running mac os7 with outspoken in an emulator under windows. does
anyone have a list of outspoken commands? also what applications and
games work with outspoken and how do I install them into mac os7 emulator?

Josh



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Managing multiple accounts in mavericks mail

[Lee Jones]

Dear List I have added an  icloud account to mavericks mail to supplement my 
main account.  It is there in the accounts tab of preferences, and I can send 
outgoing mail from it by changing the from field,but I don't know how to 
navigate to it and access it's in box drafts sent items etc. I can't see an 
account selector in the main window, or if there is one my iCloud account is 
not there.  I don't understand why in box and drafts are included in the 
mailboxes table, I thought they would be folders within a mailbox not mailboxes 
themselves.  I am confused and would be grateful for any assistance.

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Re: mac os7 with outspoken

[Josh]

get it from www.eurpod.net/vmware
get the os8.rar file.


using windows7 laptop

On 2/25/2014 3:53 AM, Chris H wrote:

Woa! What emulator is this and where can we get it? Sounds interesting!

Regards Chris

On 24/02/2014 22:24, Josh wrote:

Hi

I am running mac os7 with outspoken in an emulator under windows. does
anyone have a list of outspoken commands? also what applications and
games work with outspoken and how do I install them into mac os7 
emulator?


Josh





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Re: Managing multiple accounts in mavericks mail

[isaac]

 To get to the from menu just tab to it then you can press space to open the 
menu and choose the account you want to send from. If the iCloud account is not 
appearing in the from menu you probably didn't set up iCloud when you first set 
up you're mac.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:

> Dear List I have added an  icloud account to mavericks mail to supplement my 
> main account.  It is there in the accounts tab of preferences, and I can send 
> outgoing mail from it by changing the from field,but I don't know how to 
> navigate to it and access it's in box drafts sent items etc. I can't see an 
> account selector in the main window, or if there is one my iCloud account is 
> not there.  I don't understand why in box and drafts are included in the 
> mailboxes table, I thought they would be folders within a mailbox not 
> mailboxes themselves.  I am confused and would be grateful for any assistance.
> 
> Kind Regards Lee
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Re: Amazon Kendle App versuses Audiblee App

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Why not just download both?  I mean, one is giving you access to ebooks, the 
other audiobooks.  In my opinion, the 2 are worlds apart.



Ricardo Walker
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On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:

> I was thiking of downloading the Amazon Kendle App and/or Audible App on my 
> iPhone 5 S. What is the point. Same owner and books. The Kendle Books can be 
> read by Siri. Which should I download? The Kendle App or Audible App.
> 
> Angus MacKinnon
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Re: Vo Command space?

[Janet Ingber]

Hi Chris,

It brings up an action menu.  VoiceOver will say  how many options are in the 
menu.  You can read the options with your up and down arrows.

Take care,
Janet
On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:41 AM, Chris H  wrote:

> Hi all
> What exactly does vo command space do? Thanks.
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Re: Disappearing Finder

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there 
I have had this happen, and I have been able to get Finder back by going to the 
dock and restarting it that way. Rebooting also works, of course, but sometimes 
I have gotten it back faster by going to the dock. 

regards,
Gigi


On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Antonio Guimaraes  wrote:

> Thanks Tim,
> 
> I've rebooted the Mac, and got finder back.
> 
> Antonio
> 
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Have you restarted your Mac?  Force Quitting the Finder often causes lots of 
>> issues from a VO prospective prior to a restart.  The restart should fix 
>> those sorts of things.  Also sometimes, when the Finder seems to be working 
>> but VO won't display any windows, press cmd-shift-h to open your Home 
>> directory then cmd-w to close it and all Finder windows will work again.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Antonio Guimaraes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I force quit finder the otter day since it was not responding.
>>> 
>>> Now I can't bring up a finder window, and so can't get to my files, which 
>>> makes my computer nearly useless.
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Antonio
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Re: facebook question

[Mike]

I don't know how to do this on the computer. What kind of phone do you have the 
because it's really easy on iOS.

Mike Malarsie 
www.malarsie.com

> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:27 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
> I've tried  to do this on the mac and the iphone, but can't figure out how to 
> do it. 
> I want to hide the posts from a particular person and still be a friend.  I'm 
> sure there's a way to do this.  Can I do it from the m.facebook site or the 
> standard facebook site, and how do I do it? 
> Thanks,
> Don
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Re: Playing DVD's on the Mac

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Not that I'm aware of, sorry.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:41 PM, Andrew Head  wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> That's great information, I'll remember that, but is there another dvd player 
> for the mac that displays titles and chapters in a nice accessible format, 
> like how dvd audio extractor does under windows? 
> Kind regards,
> Andrew 
> On 22 Feb 2014, at 3:29 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> A couple things to try in DVD player.
>> 
>> * Once the DVD has loaded, go up to the menubar with VO-m and over to the Go 
>> menu, down to Title and choose one of the Title options to see what plays.
>> * Normally, if the DVD has just one Title, with a number of Chapters, then 
>> it should play all Chapters once it starts playing.  If the DVD is set up 
>> like a bunch of episodes of a TV Show where the different episodes are 
>> actually different titles, then each one has to be accessed separately.
>> * On occasion, you can press return after the DVD has loaded, press the down 
>> or right arrow key a number of times and get one of the other titles to play.
>> 
>> The problem here is that the DVD menu on any given DVD is simply a graphical 
>> representation, and there usually isn't anything for VO to grab ahold of so 
>> it can be read.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> to us.
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> I have a DVD I would like to play. It has five parts. 
>>> When I loaded it into my Mac I found the Play button but nothing happens. I 
>>> actually got the first part to play once, but that's about it and never any 
>>> of the second part etc. 
>>> So I loaded it into VLC. I turned off the DVD menu because I read that 
>>> somewhere and I could see the play again, but only the first chapter plays 
>>> once again. And the audio was very choppy like the dVD was damaged which it 
>>> is not.
>>> So I downloaded dVD Extractor. I've used that on windows and it's 
>>> accessible there to both play and rip the audio. On the mac none of the 
>>> buttons were labeled but the hints gave me clues if those clues are to be 
>>> believed. I can play the first chapter, and of course can't play any of the 
>>> subsequent ones. Same when i go to extract the audio, it doesn't extract 
>>> any other than the first chapter or give me the option to do so. 
>>> So is this about copyright or something or is there something i'm doing 
>>> wrong? I can see or rip all the chapters in windows, but can't play or rip 
>>> any on the Mac no matter what I do so far. 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> deb
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Re: opening links within a keynote presentation?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I've played with this for a bit as well and that doesn't work.  It appears that 
anytime you click the mouse or do something to activate the link, it takes you 
out of presentation mode and back to the Slide Navigator.  Have to keep 
testing, I guess to see if there's some sort of workaround.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> Did you try VO+CMD+space and then show menu?
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El 24/02/2014, a las 21:20, Jessica  escribió:
> 
>> Yes, it did the same as earlier. I am currently in the associated text field 
>> instead. The option is not available in the context menu.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 3:08 PM, isaac  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did you try interacting with the link then pressing vo space.
 On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Jessica  wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 I am trying to open a link in a slide of a keynote presentation I made. I 
 am just testing it out so I know how to open them in the future. I did vO 
 space on the text I had written which represents the link. It entered the 
 text field. what am I doing wrong?
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Re: opening links within a keynote presentation?

[Jessica]

i was able to click one of the links, it was just the link. their was no text 
for example, i may want the text to say, click here for videos on how to handle 
guide dog.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I’ve played with this for a bit as well and that doesn’t work.  It appears 
> that anytime you click the mouse or do something to activate the link, it 
> takes you out of presentation mode and back to the Slide Navigator.  Have to 
> keep testing, I guess to see if there’s some sort of workaround.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you try VO+CMD+space and then show menu?
>> 
>> Daniela Rubio T
>> iPhone: +34662328507
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> El 24/02/2014, a las 21:20, Jessica  escribió:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it did the same as earlier. I am currently in the associated text 
>>> field instead. The option is not available in the context menu.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 24, 2014, at 3:08 PM, isaac  wrote:
 
 Did you try interacting with the link then pressing vo space.
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Jessica  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I am trying to open a link in a slide of a keynote presentation I made. I 
> am just testing it out so I know how to open them in the future. I did vO 
> space on the text I had written which represents the link. It entered the 
> text field. what am I doing wrong?
> Jessica
> jldai...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: A Few Annoying Problems Still in Mavericks Any Work Arounds

[gkearney]

Where are you in iTunes where you are having the problem with menus?

On Monday, 24 February 2014 12:54:16 UTC-8, Brian Fischler wrote:
>
> After removing gmail and having it off my computer for a week, mac mail is 
> working a lot better, but I am still experiencing quite a few annoying 
> problems, and wanted to see if anyone had any work arounds or suggestions. 
>
> 1. In Mac mail hitting return doesn’t open the message no matter how many 
> times I hit return. To see the message I have to either use the window 
> chooser menu to pull it up or toggle between another open program and back 
> to mail and the message I hit return on is front and center. 
>
> 2. In iTunes the contextual menu just stops working meaning when I hit VO 
> shift M nothing happens, this only happens in iTunes and a recent restart 
> of my computer which usually fixes this did not. 
>
> 3. Bluetooth issues really annoying as my track pad constantly loses 
> connectivity but I am able to reconnect it in the bluetooth menu after 
> disconnecting and reconnecting. My Logictech K760 keyboard works for five 
> minutes and then will not reconnect to the computer but if I restart my 
> computer it will reconnect. The keyboard worked absolutely fine in Mountain 
> Lion and this started as soon as I installed Mavericks. 
>
> 4. Programs are still very slow to launch and I am still getting what 
> seems like way to many busy busy messages in many programs. 
>
> Any advice? 
>
> Thanks,

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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Jonathan Mosen]

I think it's also important to remember that there has been downward pressure 
on Braille display prices over the last decade. In 2004, you'd be looking at at 
least $5,000 USD for a 40 cell display. Manufacturing processes have improved 
and you can now get a 40 cell display for $2800 USD. I realise that's still a 
lot of money and it would be good to see prices drop further if manufacturing 
costs allow, but when you take inflation into account, that's one massive 
reduction and manufacturers are not keeping the cost savings to themselves and 
making higher profits.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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On 25/02/2014, at 3:38 am, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there 
> I don't think it's realistic for us to expect braille displays to go down 
> that much in the foreseeable future. There's just not that many of us, 
> relatively speaking, who need or want them. Even if braille once again became 
> the hottest thing for us the way it should be, we're a highly specialized 
> crowd and there's a lot of braille displays out there. In my case, I actually 
> make more money by spending the money on the braille displays. This is 
> because one of my customers can use email for sending me work instead of 
> brailling it all up. So, I get the work faster from them. This means I can 
> turn in more work as well. 
> 
> The fewer cells the braille displays have the less they are going to cost. 
> The smallest I ever heard of lately is 12 cells, and I don't think it'd want 
> one that was less than that. 
> 
> You might be able to get some used displays. I did once when I needed one but 
> didn't have much money. When I bought the used one, I ended up getting 
> several hundred dollars off the price. Not only that, but the display has 
> lasted and is still going for several years. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:13 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
>> I have always wanted a braille display, but imo it is nearly impossible to 
>> afford one. I can't see paying *that* much for something, I just can't. I 
>> keep reading about cheaper options soon, but cheaper has simply seemed to 
>> mean less useable, imo. 
>> 
>> Alia
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Justin Mann  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes it does absolutely.  You will need to get the feature pack with it 
>>> however in order to get the braille keyboard.  However, it is well worth 
>>> the investment.
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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

Hi,
I currently have the braillient and like it a lot.

I mainly use an i mac and a mac book air with it.  I haven't tried using it 
with my i phone, so can't talk about that.

I like the feel of the dots.  You can do some navigation commands with it from 
the display, and you can enter text through the display.

I've only had this unit for a couple of months, so am still learning it.

In the past, I've used a focus 80 and a braille sense plus.  I've also had 
exerpeince with an alva 680 or whatever the number for that one was.

If you primerily use jaw, then the focus family might be best.  If you use 
mainly apple products and hardly ever use that other OS, then some of the other 
options out there might work best.

personally, while I thought I'd love an 80 cell, in practice it was just too 
darn big!  It was uncomfortable to use due to the size.  On the other hand, if 
you have a job where you constantly need to see the layout of the screen, then 
an 80 cell might be best.  I personally prefer no less then 32 cells, and 
preferably 40.

hth,
Cait

On Feb 23, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Aimee Harwood  wrote:

> Hello listers. I am trying to decide what braille display to get. I am going 
> to get at least a 40 but am considering an 80. My main question to you is, 
> those of you that use your displays for work, which is better? Can I use a 40 
> productively, or would I be better off with an 80?
> 
> Next is the question about connectivity. I currently have all Apple products, 
> but know that when I finally find an employer that will give me a chance, I 
> will most likely will ,e using Windows and probably JAWS. Which display will 
> keep my hands on the display more and reduce the amount of time going back 
> and forth between display and keyboard? 
> 
> If I end up going with a 40 cell display, which one works more seamlessly 
> with the iPhone, and MacBook Pro? 
> 
> Is there a display that can be paired with more than one device? Like with my 
> Refreshabraille, I have to make sure my iPad is turned off if I want to use 
> it with my iPhone, or I have to tell one device to forget it before I can use 
> it with the other.
> 
> Which displays can be supported and repaired in the United States? Is Freedom 
> Scintific's maintenance agreement worth the price and worth choosing a Focus 
> even if it isn't your favorite just to have the agreement?
> 
> Here are the displays that I am considering I currently use a Refreshabraille 
> and like the feel of the dots, like the keyboard, and like the joystick. With 
> that in mind with all the other comments and concerns, which display would be 
> a better fit for me?
> 
> Brailliant BI
> VarioConnect
> Braille edge
> Focus
> Active Braille
> 
> Feel free to make any other recommendations if I haven't listed one that you 
> think would be a good fit. I am trying to get my hands on some of these but 
> may not be able to get my hands on all of them.
> 
> I have been reading a lot of archived messages and looking at sites where 
> they are sold, but I still ckn't figure out which will be the best fit. 
> Unfortunately people don't go to sites and give feedback. I really haven't 
> found a lot of reviews online or on youtube. Any and all help or suggestions 
> would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Aimee 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Fwd: finger computer for OCR

[Donna Goodin]

> Hi all,
>  
> First, forgive the cross-post and the OT post., but as I know reading is a 
> subject that occupies much space on both lists, it seemed appropriate to post 
> to both.
>  
> Below is a link I received to an article about a new product under 
> development.  It’s a device that you wear on your finger, and then scan 
> across a line of text to hear it read out loud.  It obviously has a ways to 
> go before it would be practical to use, but wow, what cool possibilities it 
> could open up, if the OCR capability is decent.
>  
> http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/finger-computer-reads-books-aloud-140221.htm?utm_source=TW&utm_medium=DNews&utm_campaign=DNewsSocial
>  
> Cheers,
> Donna

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Re: Vo Command space?

[Chris H]

Ok and can you give an example as to where I can use this command?

Regards Chris

On 25/02/2014 14:11, Janet Ingber wrote:

Hi Chris,

It brings up an action menu.  VoiceOver will say  how many options are in the 
menu.  You can read the options with your up and down arrows.

Take care,
Janet
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Hi all
What exactly does vo command space do? Thanks.

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Re: Vo Command space?

[Janet Ingber]

You can use it in a document or on a file. I rarely, if ever, used it.

Janet
On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Chris H  wrote:

> Ok and can you give an example as to where I can use this command?
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
> On 25/02/2014 14:11, Janet Ingber wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> It brings up an action menu.  VoiceOver will say  how many options are in 
>> the menu.  You can read the options with your up and down arrows.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Janet
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:41 AM, Chris H  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> What exactly does vo command space do? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there 
I had an 80 cell display at work using JAWS. I did not like the thing because 
of the weight and size. I even prefer the smaller ones for looking at a screen, 
even when the screen line is bigger. I think they cost about 7 grand, so 
personally I wouldn't want an 80 cell display unless I had to. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
wrote:

> Hi,
> I currently have the braillient and like it a lot.
> 
> I mainly use an i mac and a mac book air with it.  I haven't tried using it 
> with my i phone, so can't talk about that.
> 
> I like the feel of the dots.  You can do some navigation commands with it 
> from the display, and you can enter text through the display.
> 
> I've only had this unit for a couple of months, so am still learning it.
> 
> In the past, I've used a focus 80 and a braille sense plus.  I've also had 
> exerpeince with an alva 680 or whatever the number for that one was.
> 
> If you primerily use jaw, then the focus family might be best.  If you use 
> mainly apple products and hardly ever use that other OS, then some of the 
> other options out there might work best.
> 
> personally, while I thought I'd love an 80 cell, in practice it was just too 
> darn big!  It was uncomfortable to use due to the size.  On the other hand, 
> if you have a job where you constantly need to see the layout of the screen, 
> then an 80 cell might be best.  I personally prefer no less then 32 cells, 
> and preferably 40.
> 
> hth,
> Cait
> 
> On Feb 23, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Aimee Harwood  wrote:
> 
>> Hello listers. I am trying to decide what braille display to get. I am going 
>> to get at least a 40 but am considering an 80. My main question to you is, 
>> those of you that use your displays for work, which is better? Can I use a 
>> 40 productively, or would I be better off with an 80?
>> 
>> Next is the question about connectivity. I currently have all Apple 
>> products, but know that when I finally find an employer that will give me a 
>> chance, I will most likely will ,e using Windows and probably JAWS. Which 
>> display will keep my hands on the display more and reduce the amount of time 
>> going back and forth between display and keyboard? 
>> 
>> If I end up going with a 40 cell display, which one works more seamlessly 
>> with the iPhone, and MacBook Pro? 
>> 
>> Is there a display that can be paired with more than one device? Like with 
>> my Refreshabraille, I have to make sure my iPad is turned off if I want to 
>> use it with my iPhone, or I have to tell one device to forget it before I 
>> can use it with the other.
>> 
>> Which displays can be supported and repaired in the United States? Is 
>> Freedom Scintific's maintenance agreement worth the price and worth choosing 
>> a Focus even if it isn't your favorite just to have the agreement?
>> 
>> Here are the displays that I am considering I currently use a 
>> Refreshabraille and like the feel of the dots, like the keyboard, and like 
>> the joystick. With that in mind with all the other comments and concerns, 
>> which display would be a better fit for me?
>> 
>> Brailliant BI
>> VarioConnect
>> Braille edge
>> Focus
>> Active Braille
>> 
>> Feel free to make any other recommendations if I haven't listed one that you 
>> think would be a good fit. I am trying to get my hands on some of these but 
>> may not be able to get my hands on all of them.
>> 
>> I have been reading a lot of archived messages and looking at sites where 
>> they are sold, but I still ckn't figure out which will be the best fit. 
>> Unfortunately people don't go to sites and give feedback. I really haven't 
>> found a lot of reviews online or on youtube. Any and all help or suggestions 
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Aimee 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: facebook question

[Antonio Guimaraes]

Don has an iPhone as he said in his original post.

Antonio

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> I don't know how to do this on the computer. What kind of phone do you have 
> the because it's really easy on iOS.
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> www.malarsie.com
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:27 PM, don bishop  wrote:
>> 
>> I've tried  to do this on the mac and the iphone, but can't figure out how 
>> to do it. 
>> I want to hide the posts from a particular person and still be a friend.  
>> I'm sure there's a way to do this.  Can I do it from the m.facebook site or 
>> the standard facebook site, and how do I do it? 
>> Thanks,
>> Don
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Re: Managing multiple accounts in mavericks mail

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Lee,

The folders in the folder list are like a branching structure, similar to the 
display of folders in finder. At the top level are general categories like 
Inbox, Trash, etc. You can open each of these and find folders from your 
individual accounts, or you can get a list of combined messages from all your 
accounts for each category. For example, if you go to the top level of the 
inbox, all your messages from all your inboxes will appear in the message list. 
If a branch says "collapsed" in the folder list, you can use VO-backslash to 
open it, and it will say "expanded". You can also use the right-arrow key to do 
this, but I find that this method tends not to be as reliable as the VO command.

In the message list is a column that will tell you which account the message 
belongs to.

HtH,
Teresa

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> To get to the from menu just tab to it then you can press space to open the 
> menu and choose the account you want to send from. If the iCloud account is 
> not appearing in the from menu you probably didn't set up iCloud when you 
> first set up you're mac.
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
> 
>> Dear List I have added an  icloud account to mavericks mail to supplement my 
>> main account.  It is there in the accounts tab of preferences, and I can 
>> send outgoing mail from it by changing the from field,but I don't know how 
>> to navigate to it and access it's in box drafts sent items etc. I can't see 
>> an account selector in the main window, or if there is one my iCloud account 
>> is not there.  I don't understand why in box and drafts are included in the 
>> mailboxes table, I thought they would be folders within a mailbox not 
>> mailboxes themselves.  I am confused and would be grateful for any 
>> assistance.
>> 
>> Kind Regards Lee
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Re: finger computer for OCR

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Donna,

This is interesting inasmuch as it comes from a well-funded lab. But over the 
years, I've heard of so many attempts to produce something of this sort and 
very few of them have come to market. One that has is the TopBraille, which 
converts printed characters to Braille characters and is pocket size. As a 
long-term optacon user, I find the TopBraille clunky and it hasn't found much 
of a market. If I remember rightly, the TopBraille also speaks if you want it 
to.

I keep hoping that haptic technology will eventually result in a miniature 
optacon that could be used one-handed. Until then, my two optacons will never 
be far from my hand.

Cheers,

Anne


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>> 
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> First, forgive the cross-post and the OT post., but as I know reading is a 
>> subject that occupies much space on both lists, it seemed appropriate to 
>> post to both.
>>  
>> Below is a link I received to an article about a new product under 
>> development.  It's a device that you wear on your finger, and then scan 
>> across a line of text to hear it read out loud.  It obviously has a ways to 
>> go before it would be practical to use, but wow, what cool possibilities it 
>> could open up, if the OCR capability is decent.
>>  
>> http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/finger-computer-reads-books-aloud-140221.htm?utm_source=TW&utm_medium=DNews&utm_campaign=DNewsSocial
>>  
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Vo Command space?

[Teresa Cochran]

It appears to be another keystroke for the contextual menus. (VO-shift-m).

Teresa

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On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Janet Ingber  wrote:

> You can use it in a document or on a file. I rarely, if ever, used it.
> 
> Janet
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Chris H  wrote:
> 
>> Ok and can you give an example as to where I can use this command?
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> On 25/02/2014 14:11, Janet Ingber wrote:
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> 
>>> It brings up an action menu.  VoiceOver will say  how many options are in 
>>> the menu.  You can read the options with your up and down arrows.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Janet
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:41 AM, Chris H  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all
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Re: finger computer for OCR

[erik burggraaf]

Hi Donna,  I've personally been intrigued by the Ectaco C-Pen 3.5 for over a 
year now.  I haven't bought the thing because my business started to impload 
last year around my personal problems and there was never enough resources to 
expense the $150 unit.  The reviews on it are extremely mixed and I have not 
been able to reach the company to set up an evaluation but the promo material 
looks pretty awsome.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2014-02-25, at 11:45 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> 
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> First, forgive the cross-post and the OT post., but as I know reading is a 
>> subject that occupies much space on both lists, it seemed appropriate to 
>> post to both.
>>  
>> Below is a link I received to an article about a new product under 
>> development.  It's a device that you wear on your finger, and then scan 
>> across a line of text to hear it read out loud.  It obviously has a ways to 
>> go before it would be practical to use, but wow, what cool possibilities it 
>> could open up, if the OCR capability is decent.
>>  
>> http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/finger-computer-reads-books-aloud-140221.htm?utm_source=TW&utm_medium=DNews&utm_campaign=DNewsSocial
>>  
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: facebook question

[don bishop]

hi,
I have an iphone 5s running oios 7.06 
Don



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Subject: Re: facebook question

>
>
> I don't know how to do this on the computer. What kind of phone do you have 
> the because it's really easy on iOS.
> 
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> > On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:27 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> > 
> > I've tried  to do this on the mac and the iphone, but can't figure out how 
> > to do it. 
> > I want to hide the posts from a particular person and still be a friend.  
> > I'm sure there's a way to do this.  Can I do it from the m.facebook site or 
> > the standard facebook site, and how do I do it? 
> > Thanks,
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OS10.9.2 is out!

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other small 
fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state Voiceover fixes. 
We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope this fixes some of 
your problems so you don't need the clean install.

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how to use a usb mouse with voiceover on the mac

[Jessica]

Hi,
I got a usb mouse for my birthday for use with my macbook. How do I use it when 
running voiceover on my computer?
where can  I find tips?
thanks,

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Re: how to use a usb mouse with voiceover on the mac

[christopher hallsworth]

Just a guess but you should be able to just plug it in and it will magically 
work; no drivers necessary. Some mice even act as trackpads so you can use 
VoiceOver's trackpad commander by using just your mouse. This allows one to 
control their mac using gestures based on those found on iOS.
On 25 Feb 2014, at 17:36, Jessica  wrote:

> Hi,
> I got a usb mouse for my birthday for use with my macbook. How do I use it 
> when running voiceover on my computer?
> where can  I find tips?
> thanks,
> 
> Jessica
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Re: how to use a usb mouse with voiceover on the mac

[Jessica]

how do I get voiceover to tell me when I'm on a blank space?
Is this possible?
On another, note, how can I make a command for "get all new mail for my braille 
display?
thanks,

Jessica
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> Just a guess but you should be able to just plug it in and it will magically 
> work; no drivers necessary. Some mice even act as trackpads so you can use 
> VoiceOver's trackpad commander by using just your mouse. This allows one to 
> control their mac using gestures based on those found on iOS.
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 17:36, Jessica  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I got a usb mouse for my birthday for use with my macbook. How do I use it 
>> when running voiceover on my computer?
>> where can  I find tips?
>> thanks,
>> 
>> Jessica
>> jldai...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[christopher hallsworth]

Thanks for letting us know. Will probably update the next time I put my mac on 
charge. It's currently on battery power. Unless you know different I won't be 
able to update on battery power. Right?
On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:38, Alex Hall  wrote:

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> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state Voiceover 
> fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope this fixes 
> some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[erik burggraaf]

Hi Jonathan,

Doesn't it seem to you that while the cost of a 40 sell braille display has 
fallen by half to 2 thirds in the past 5 years or so, the cost of an 80 cell 
braille display remains high?  I mean, the cost of a focus 80 has been about 
$8550 Canadian forever, and the cost of a brand new nrailliant BI 80 is 9 grand 
Canadian, even as the 40 cell ships for about $3200.  It also seems to me, as I 
wrote in my last post, that no one is really doing anything new in the braille 
display field.  The two best feature sets seem to be on the alva bc640 and 
bc680 which I can't recommend because they fail so much, and on the handytech 
activebraille which I don't think comes in an 80 though I could be wrong.

I've been asking for an 80 cell that is two lines of 0 for years and being 
laughed at.

As for cost,  you may have read this infamous article.
http://chrishofstader.com/the-death-of-screen-reader-innovation/
I don't know how much of that article I agree with.  For example, it seems to 
me that the first virtual buffer for web pages was in ardic win vision, but one 
thing that caught my attention.  Chris reported that a packmate 40 cell note 
taker costed $400 to manufacture back in 2004.  I don't know if that's just the 
hardware or if that takes into account the cost of jaws CE, windows mobile 
licencing, development of proprietary applications and so on, but either way, 
if true that's still a significant number.

Personally, I have always felt that while comparitively few braille display 
units are made and the cost of proprietary bords and chasseys comes somewhat 
into play, the actual cost of making a braille cell is actually really small.  
This is because you make that one component 40 to 80 times more often than a 
bord or a chassey.  That makes the volume of actual braille cells rendered vast 
compaired to the number of finished braille displays.

Considering all that, I would like to postulate that the manufacturing cost of 
a braille display actually has a lot less to do with the drop in price than 
companies like humanware and freedom scientific would like to have us believe.  
I think it has a lot more to do with real market factors.

The paradigm shift for one thing.  Given the increasing prevalence of very real 
and highly effective technologies with accessibility features built in, such as 
mac, IOS, android, and various distros of linux and taking into account the 
robustness of products such as NVDA for many consumer needs, funding providers 
such as governments, insurers, and schools are spending less on some of the 
basics.  Now we can get a viable OCR reading aid for $300 in stead of $1200 
which meets the needs of a significant number of users.  Now we can get robust 
screen readers built in or for free bolt on in stead of paying $900 and up.  
Now we can get robust communication aids for the mute for $300 where we used to 
spend 2 grand and up.  This is forcing the primary target markets of these 
technologies, IE funders, to take stock and seriously re-evaluate their 
spending practices.  At least as far as ontario is concerned, funding for 
special needs is being slashed and hacked with no regard for adequacy, service 
delivery, or user experience.  Could it be that manufacturers rode the 
government gravy train for a long time and are increasingly finding themselves 
in a position where their product will sit in a warehouse if they don't 
demonstrate a commitment to cost efficiency?

ANother factor as I see it is the emerging mobile market.  For once, all these 
high end companies who claim to be in touch with our needs actually are in 
touch.  IE, they are making a significant number of braille displays in the 12 
to 18 cell range that companion with a smart phone.  The idea isn't new, but 
look how many of them have cropped up in the past three years.  We're starting 
to see a significant number of people who have no need for a computer for day 
to day use.  There are also a community of braille users who aren't fast or 
proficient enough to justify the high cost of a 40 cell display, but who either 
require braille to communicate or who prefer the benefits of braille on the go. 
 Either way, we suddenly have a userbase with a need for portable braille and a 
lot of us can actually afford $1200 or so for a device like that which meets 
our needs.  Even high end braille users find that they have a use for a 40 cell 
display attached to their desktop computer and an 18 cell display attached to 
their phone, and they find that they can justify the cost at least of the 
smaller display if a funding agency will help them pay for the larger one.  So 
the 40 cell now has a serious new competitor in the 18 cell or less niche.  IE, 
the focus 14 competes directly with with the focus 40.

Manufacturing may have a bit to do with it, but don't you think all these 
market factors have a lot more impact on braille display pricing than the cost 
of making one?

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Ebon

Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Maurice Mines]

just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not come out 
the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some braille 
displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess not? Maybe 
sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple will fix this? Oh 
well going to continue with USB braille don't want much non-fun.

PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come out the 
way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
Student accessibility aid.
Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.

> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state Voiceover 
> fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope this fixes 
> some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Jonathan Mosen]

It's wonderful to see that in Mail, the conversation count is at the beginning 
again. I am still having the same VO-J inconsistencies in Mail but we're making 
progress.
Jonathan Mosen
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On 26/02/2014, at 8:13 am, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

> Thanks for letting us know. Will probably update the next time I put my mac 
> on charge. It's currently on battery power. Unless you know different I won't 
> be able to update on battery power. Right?
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:38, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state Voiceover 
>> fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope this fixes 
>> some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Teresa Cochran]

Yeah, it's a 400-meg download, so I'd suggest putting it on AC. It took me 
about an hour to download and install.

HtH,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

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> on charge. It's currently on battery power. Unless you know different I won't 
> be able to update on battery power. Right?
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> 
>> Hi all,
>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state Voiceover 
>> fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope this fixes 
>> some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Daniel Miller]

Can you explain the issues?


On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:

> just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not come 
> out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some braille 
> displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess not? Maybe 
> sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple will fix this? 
> Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't want much non-fun.
> 
> PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come out 
> the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
> Student accessibility aid.
> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state Voiceover 
>> fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope this fixes 
>> some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
>> 
>> --
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>> Alex Hall
>> mehg...@icloud.com
>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Daniel Miller]

Try 769MB, lol. Either way, yes, putting it on AC is a good idea.

On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Yeah, it's a 400-meg download, so I'd suggest putting it on AC. It took me 
> about an hour to download and install.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:13 AM, christopher hallsworth 
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>> Thanks for letting us know. Will probably update the next time I put my mac 
>> on charge. It's currently on battery power. Unless you know different I 
>> won't be able to update on battery power. Right?
>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:38, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
>>> Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope 
>>> this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Alex Hall]

I don't use braille much, but one note in the update said they fixed some 
Handytech displays, among other Voiceover fixes. Hopefully your display is 
among the fixed.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:

> just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not come 
> out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some braille 
> displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess not? Maybe 
> sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple will fix this? 
> Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't want much non-fun.
> 
> PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come out 
> the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
> Student accessibility aid.
> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state Voiceover 
>> fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope this fixes 
>> some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
>> 
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>> mehg...@icloud.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Teresa Cochran]

Oh, yes, the number of messages in the left column is a wonderful fix.

I noticed I had to sign into iCloud, but it set up without a hitch. It also 
wants to do the mail upgrade. I'm glad I switched to iCloud from Gmail, or it 
might have taken Mail longer to do its thing.

Teresa

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On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> It's wonderful to see that in Mail, the conversation count is at the 
> beginning again. I am still having the same VO-J inconsistencies in Mail but 
> we're making progress.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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> On 26/02/2014, at 8:13 am, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for letting us know. Will probably update the next time I put my mac 
>> on charge. It's currently on battery power. Unless you know different I 
>> won't be able to update on battery power. Right?
>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:38, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
>>> Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope 
>>> this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
I am sorry that you are continuing to have issues with your braille display, 
but mine got fixed a long time ago before this update. However I am writing 
this to let you guys know a little park that doesn't matter too much but it 
might give you a bad moment first. After you've finished the update, when 
voiceover says set up assistant ready I didn't have access to anything until I 
turn voiceover off and then back on again. It worked fine after that.
Regards,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Can you explain the issues?
> 
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not come 
>> out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some braille 
>> displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess not? Maybe 
>> sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple will fix this? 
>> Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't want much non-fun.
>> 
>> PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come out 
>> the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
>> Student accessibility aid.
>> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
>> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
>>> Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope 
>>> this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Teresa Cochran]

LOL more's the point. I wasn't paying exact attention to the download size, 
obviously. :)

teresa

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> Try 769MB, lol. Either way, yes, putting it on AC is a good idea.

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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Normally, you can still update on battery.  Apple just recommends that you have 
it plugged in in case it dies in the middle of the update.  If you're above 50% 
and have a battery that's in good shape, then you'll be fine.  The only updates 
that specifically require the power be plugged in is your firmware updates and 
other base system sorts of updates.

Later...

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On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:13 PM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

> Thanks for letting us know. Will probably update the next time I put my mac 
> on charge. It's currently on battery power. Unless you know different I won't 
> be able to update on battery power. Right?
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:38, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state Voiceover 
>> fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope this fixes 
>> some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
>> 
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>> Alex Hall
>> mehg...@icloud.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Teresa Cochran]

Where can you find the Voiceover-specific release notes? I only found a 
reference to "some Voiceover improvements".

Thanks,
Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I don't use braille much, but one note in the update said they fixed some 
> Handytech displays, among other Voiceover fixes. Hopefully your display is 
> among the fixed.
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
> 
>> just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not come 
>> out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some braille 
>> displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess not? Maybe 
>> sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple will fix this? 
>> Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't want much non-fun.
>> 
>> PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come out 
>> the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
>> Student accessibility aid.
>> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
>> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
>>> Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope 
>>> this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I must be lucky today.  It only took 10 minutes to download the update and 
another 10 to install.  I, too, noted in the more detailed update notes that 
there were fixes for some Braille displays, so, hopefully, this helps many of 
you.  I don't use any Braille so can't comment on it's improvements or lack 
there of.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Yeah, it's a 400-meg download, so I'd suggest putting it on AC. It took me 
> about an hour to download and install.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:13 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for letting us know. Will probably update the next time I put my mac 
>> on charge. It's currently on battery power. Unless you know different I 
>> won't be able to update on battery power. Right?
>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:38, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
>>> Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope 
>>> this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

There was a link in the info about the update that you could activate.  Here it 
is in case you're unable to locate anything:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6114?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Where can you find the Voiceover-specific release notes? I only found a 
> reference to "some Voiceover improvements".
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I don't use braille much, but one note in the update said they fixed some 
>> Handytech displays, among other Voiceover fixes. Hopefully your display is 
>> among the fixed.
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
>> 
>>> just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not come 
>>> out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some braille 
>>> displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess not? Maybe 
>>> sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple will fix this? 
>>> Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't want much non-fun.
>>> 
>>> PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come out 
>>> the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
>>> Student accessibility aid.
>>> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
>>> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
 small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
 Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I 
 hope this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[isaac]

I just updated to OS 10.9.2.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state Voiceover 
> fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope this fixes 
> some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Daniel McGee]

Haven't performed the update yet myself but how do you know how big the file 
size is?
Does it tell you before the update?
On 25 Feb 2014, at 19:48, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> LOL more's the point. I wasn't paying exact attention to the download size, 
> obviously. :)
> 
> teresa
> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Teresa Cochran]

I think it does, but I noticed it in the progress bar as I was updating.

Teresa

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On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Daniel McGee  
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> Haven't performed the update yet myself but how do you know how big the file 
> size is?
> Does it tell you before the update?
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> 
>> LOL more's the point. I wasn't paying exact attention to the download size, 
>> obviously. :)
>> 
>> teresa
>> 
>> "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
>> 
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>>> Try 769MB, lol. Either way, yes, putting it on AC is a good idea.
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Ray Foret Jr]

Yes, it is in the progress bar.  One thing I notice right away is that apps 
tend to open a little more snappy than before, even on start up.  Also, when 
you come across a conversation in mail, (assuming you have mail set up to 
display messages by conversation) the conversation message count is given 
first.  Now, if only they would put the read or unread status right after it, 
now that would be sweet.


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> I think it does, but I noticed it in the progress bar as I was updating.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Daniel McGee  
> wrote:
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>> Haven't performed the update yet myself but how do you know how big the file 
>> size is?
>> Does it tell you before the update?
>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 19:48, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> LOL more's the point. I wasn't paying exact attention to the download size, 
>>> obviously. :)
>>> 
>>> teresa
>>> 
>>> "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
>>> 
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>>> 
 Try 769MB, lol. Either way, yes, putting it on AC is a good idea.
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Same here. About 10 minutes to download, about 10 to install.
On 25 Feb 2014, at 19:55, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I must be lucky today.  It only took 10 minutes to download the update and 
> another 10 to install.  I, too, noted in the more detailed update notes that 
> there were fixes for some Braille displays, so, hopefully, this helps many of 
> you.  I don't use any Braille so can't comment on it's improvements or lack 
> there of.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, it's a 400-meg download, so I'd suggest putting it on AC. It took me 
>> about an hour to download and install.
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:13 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for letting us know. Will probably update the next time I put my mac 
>>> on charge. It's currently on battery power. Unless you know different I 
>>> won't be able to update on battery power. Right?
>>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:38, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
 small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
 Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I 
 hope this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Ray Foret Jr]

I'd say that it tok me just about ten minutes to load and install.  Then again, 
I didn't time it exactly.  Considering my connection speed is up to 105MB over 
here.


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On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  
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> Same here. About 10 minutes to download, about 10 to install.
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 19:55, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I must be lucky today.  It only took 10 minutes to download the update and 
>> another 10 to install.  I, too, noted in the more detailed update notes that 
>> there were fixes for some Braille displays, so, hopefully, this helps many 
>> of you.  I don't use any Braille so can't comment on it's improvements or 
>> lack there of.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah, it's a 400-meg download, so I'd suggest putting it on AC. It took me 
>>> about an hour to download and install.
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:13 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for letting us know. Will probably update the next time I put my 
 mac on charge. It's currently on battery power. Unless you know different 
 I won't be able to update on battery power. Right?
 On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:38, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
> Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I 
> hope this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
> 
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> mehg...@icloud.com
> 
> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Christopher Hallsworth]

It does for sure. Mine said 460 mb.
On 25 Feb 2014, at 20:12, Daniel McGee  wrote:

> Haven't performed the update yet myself but how do you know how big the file 
> size is?
> Does it tell you before the update?
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 19:48, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> LOL more's the point. I wasn't paying exact attention to the download size, 
>> obviously. :)
>> 
>> teresa
>> 
>> "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
>> 
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Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Emilio Hernandez]

Hello everyone,

I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages app.
However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone beep, 
and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?

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Re: how to use a usb mouse with voiceover on the mac

[Jenine Stanley]

This is true about the USB mouse. My husband just plugged in several of his to 
see which he liked best as he didn't like the Magic Mouse that came with the 
iMac. They just worked. I think one needed a driver but it was easily found 
with the wizard that came up when the mouse was plugged in.  husband 
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> Just a guess but you should be able to just plug it in and it will magically 
> work; no drivers necessary. Some mice even act as trackpads so you can use 
> VoiceOver's trackpad commander by using just your mouse. This allows one to 
> control their mac using gestures based on those found on iOS.
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 17:36, Jessica  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I got a usb mouse for my birthday for use with my macbook. How do I use it 
>> when running voiceover on my computer?
>> where can  I find tips?
>> thanks,
>> 
>> Jessica
>> jldai...@gmail.com
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[isaac]

I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time audio call 
it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
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> 
> I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
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> However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone beep, 
> and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
> Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
> 
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Option Click doesn't seem to work on the mac Appstore

[Daniel Chavez]

Hi,
I'm trying to download the latest OSX with.
Option click on purchases, then option clicking on OSX Mavricks, or at least, 
trying to.
Instead, I clicked on Mavricks, then option-clicked on Download, yet it 
downloads OSX 10.9.1 and not OSX 10.9.2.
If I download the full installer, would it download OSX 10.9.2? Lately, some 
people have said it downloads OSX 10.9.1.

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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[David Taylor]

Mine took 2 minutes to download and another 10 to install lol

On 25 Feb 2014, at 19:43, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Yeah, it's a 400-meg download, so I'd suggest putting it on AC. It took me 
> about an hour to download and install.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:13 AM, christopher hallsworth 
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>> Thanks for letting us know. Will probably update the next time I put my mac 
>> on charge. It's currently on battery power. Unless you know different I 
>> won't be able to update on battery power. Right?
>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:38, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
>>> Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope 
>>> this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
>>> 
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>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[David Taylor]

I couldn't agree more, Mail is my friend again

On 25 Feb 2014, at 19:42, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> It's wonderful to see that in Mail, the conversation count is at the 
> beginning again. I am still having the same VO-J inconsistencies in Mail but 
> we're making progress.
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> wrote:
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>> Thanks for letting us know. Will probably update the next time I put my mac 
>> on charge. It's currently on battery power. Unless you know different I 
>> won't be able to update on battery power. Right?
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>> 
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>>> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
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>>> this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
>>> 
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>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Chris Blouch]

For those fighting with gmail in Apple Mail, there are these bits:

Improves compatibility with Gmail Archive mailboxes
Includes improvements to Gmail labels
Includes general improvements to the stability and compatibility of Mail

CB

On 2/25/14 2:57 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

There was a link in the info about the update that you could activate. 
 Here it is in case you're unable to locate anything:


http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6114?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Teresa Cochran > wrote:


Where can you find the Voiceover-specific release notes? I only found 
a reference to "some Voiceover improvements".


Thanks,
Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Alex Hall > wrote:


I don't use braille much, but one note in the update said they fixed 
some Handytech displays, among other Voiceover fixes. Hopefully your 
display is among the fixed.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Maurice Mines > wrote:


just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might 
not come out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem 
that some braille displays are having a when trying to use 
Bluetooth. But I guess not? Maybe sometime in my lifetime or 
sometime in the near future Apple will fix this? Oh well going to 
continue with USB braille don't want much non-fun.


PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly 
come out the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.

Student accessibility aid.
Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu 
.


On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall > wrote:



Hi all,
OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and 
other small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically 
state Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming 
days. Brian, I hope this fixes some of your problems so you don't 
need the clean install.


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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I'm just downloading my update now.

> On 25 Feb 2014, at 09:46 pm, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
> For those fighting with gmail in Apple Mail, there are these bits:
> 
> Improves compatibility with Gmail Archive mailboxes
> Includes improvements to Gmail labels
> Includes general improvements to the stability and compatibility of Mail
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 2/25/14 2:57 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> There was a link in the info about the update that you could activate.  Here 
>> it is in case you’re unable to locate anything:
>> 
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6114?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where can you find the Voiceover-specific release notes? I only found a 
>>> reference to “some Voiceover improvements”.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>>> 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 I don't use braille much, but one note in the update said they fixed some 
 Handytech displays, among other Voiceover fixes. Hopefully your display is 
 among the fixed.
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not 
> come out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some 
> braille displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess 
> not? Maybe sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple 
> will fix this? Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't want much 
> non-fun.
> 
> PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come 
> out the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
> Student accessibility aid.
> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
>> small fixes and improvements, the 
>> release notes specifically state Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those 
>> are in the coming days. Brian, I hope this fixes some of your problems 
>> so you don't need the clean install.
>> 
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Re: how to use a usb mouse with voiceover on the mac

[Terje Strømberg]

I could not find it again, but you can leave a checkmark on something like: 
«speak mouse movements» in Voice Over utility VO + F8. Maybe someone can 
provide the correct information to let Voice Over talk while moving the 
physical usb or bluetooth mouse?

Take care

25. feb. 2014 kl. 22:15 skrev Jenine Stanley :

This is true about the USB mouse. My husband just plugged in several of his to 
see which he liked best as he didn't like the Magic Mouse that came with the 
iMac. They just worked. I think one needed a driver but it was easily found 
with the wizard that came up when the mouse was plugged in.  husband 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:59 PM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

> Just a guess but you should be able to just plug it in and it will magically 
> work; no drivers necessary. Some mice even act as trackpads so you can use 
> VoiceOver's trackpad commander by using just your mouse. This allows one to 
> control their mac using gestures based on those found on iOS.
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 17:36, Jessica  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I got a usb mouse for my birthday for use with my macbook. How do I use it 
>> when running voiceover on my computer?
>> where can  I find tips?
>> thanks,
>> 
>> Jessica
>> jldai...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Managing multiple accounts in mavericks mail

[Lee Jones]

Dear Teresa, I have found the account sub folders under in box after expanding 
it, but I can't find any account folders under sent items drafts trash etc.  I 
have a draft saved in my secondary account as a test but I can't get to it to 
delete it.  Command 2 and 3 take me to the sent items and drafts of my primary 
account even when I am in the in box of my secondary one.  Is it possible to 
add additional command number shortcuts on the end of the 4 that are provided 
by default?  Command 4 for flagged seems curious, trash would seem more 
appropriate.

Many Thanks Lee   
on 25 Feb 2014, at 17:18, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, Lee,
> 
> The folders in the folder list are like a branching structure, similar to the 
> display of folders in finder. At the top level are general categories like 
> Inbox, Trash, etc. You can open each of these and find folders from your 
> individual accounts, or you can get a list of combined messages from all your 
> accounts for each category. For example, if you go to the top level of the 
> inbox, all your messages from all your inboxes will appear in the message 
> list. If a branch says "collapsed" in the folder list, you can use 
> VO-backslash to open it, and it will say "expanded". You can also use the 
> right-arrow key to do this, but I find that this method tends not to be as 
> reliable as the VO command.
> 
> In the message list is a column that will tell you which account the message 
> belongs to.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:30 AM, isaac  wrote:
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>> To get to the from menu just tab to it then you can press space to open the 
>> menu and choose the account you want to send from. If the iCloud account is 
>> not appearing in the from menu you probably didn't set up iCloud when you 
>> first set up you're mac.
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:
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>>> Dear List I have added an  icloud account to mavericks mail to supplement 
>>> my main account.  It is there in the accounts tab of preferences, and I can 
>>> send outgoing mail from it by changing the from field,but I don't know how 
>>> to navigate to it and access it's in box drafts sent items etc. I can't see 
>>> an account selector in the main window, or if there is one my iCloud 
>>> account is not there.  I don't understand why in box and drafts are 
>>> included in the mailboxes table, I thought they would be folders within a 
>>> mailbox not mailboxes themselves.  I am confused and would be grateful for 
>>> any assistance.
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards Lee
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Are you able to make a FaceTime Video call to the same individual?  A reminder 
that FaceTime is only for calls between Apple ID's or iPhone numbers registered 
to your Apple ID.  If you are able to make the FaceTime video call, but not the 
audio call, then either the person you're trying to call hasn't updated their 
Mac to handle the FaceTime Audio, their device is turned off, or there really 
could be a bug.  It seems odd that there would be a bug right away upon the 
release of this feature, but, it is possible.

Do some testing first, post any relevant and specific results, and then we can 
proceed from there.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:28 PM, isaac  wrote:

> I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time audio 
> call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
>> I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages app.
>> However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
>> beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
>> Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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Re: Option Click doesn't seem to work on the mac Appstore

[Ray Foret Jr]

You don't need option click on the Apple store.  You just needed to go from the 
Apple menu and choose check for updates.  10.9.2 will download and install.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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> Hi,
> I'm trying to download the latest OSX with.
> Option click on purchases, then option clicking on OSX Mavricks, or at least, 
> trying to.
> Instead, I clicked on Mavricks, then option-clicked on Download, yet it 
> downloads OSX 10.9.1 and not OSX 10.9.2.
> If I download the full installer, would it download OSX 10.9.2? Lately, some 
> people have said it downloads OSX 10.9.1.
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Re: how to use a usb mouse with voiceover on the mac

[isaac]

There is a check box called 
 speek text under mouse after delay.On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Terje 
Strømberg  wrote:

> I could not find it again, but you can leave a checkmark on something like: 
> «speak mouse movements» in Voice Over utility VO + F8. Maybe someone can 
> provide the correct information to let Voice Over talk while moving the 
> physical usb or bluetooth mouse?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 25. feb. 2014 kl. 22:15 skrev Jenine Stanley :
> 
> This is true about the USB mouse. My husband just plugged in several of his 
> to see which he liked best as he didn't like the Magic Mouse that came with 
> the iMac. They just worked. I think one needed a driver but it was easily 
> found with the wizard that came up when the mouse was plugged in.  husband 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:59 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Just a guess but you should be able to just plug it in and it will magically 
>> work; no drivers necessary. Some mice even act as trackpads so you can use 
>> VoiceOver's trackpad commander by using just your mouse. This allows one to 
>> control their mac using gestures based on those found on iOS.
>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 17:36, Jessica  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I got a usb mouse for my birthday for use with my macbook. How do I use it 
>>> when running voiceover on my computer?
>>> where can  I find tips?
>>> thanks,
>>> 
>>> Jessica
>>> jldai...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Ray Foret Jr]

Don't know.  That's been happening to me even before 10.9.0 came out.  Come to 
think of it, that's been going on ever since IOS 7.0.0.  IF you ask me, I 
reckon there's a network issue at the Face time server end of things.  It'll 
fail and you have to call right back.  So, just to see what happens, I called 
my own Iphone with Facetime regular and Facetime audio on my Mac.  The first 
time both ways, Facetime failed, and, my iPhone failed to ring at all.  On the 
retry, it did.

This leads me to believe that Facetime fails because it just simply cannot find 
the device being called on the first go round.  
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:28 PM, isaac  wrote:

> I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time audio 
> call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
>> I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages app.
>> However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
>> beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
>> Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Alex Hall]

I wish they'd let us sort the header fields manually, but I do like having the 
conversation count back.

On another note, has anyone to iced, at least with the Ava voice, that words 
are turning into numbers? Read this sentence with Ava, as long as you're using 
10.9.2:
The word to (t o) in this sentence is spoken as the number 2, for (f o r) some 
reason.
Just watch for it, and you'll quickly see what I mean. I haven't tested other 
voices yet to see if this is a widespread problem or not.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> I'm just downloading my update now.
> 
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 09:46 pm, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
>> For those fighting with gmail in Apple Mail, there are these bits:
>> 
>> Improves compatibility with Gmail Archive mailboxes
>> Includes improvements to Gmail labels
>> Includes general improvements to the stability and compatibility of Mail
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 2/25/14 2:57 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> There was a link in the info about the update that you could activate.  
>>> Here it is in case you’re unable to locate anything:
>>> 
>>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6114?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> 
 Where can you find the Voiceover-specific release notes? I only found a 
 reference to “some Voiceover improvements”.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> I don't use braille much, but one note in the update said they fixed some 
> Handytech displays, among other Voiceover fixes. Hopefully your display 
> is among the fixed.
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
>> just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not 
>> come out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some 
>> braille displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess 
>> not? Maybe sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple 
>> will fix this? Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't want 
>> much non-fun.
>> 
>> PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come 
>> out the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
>> Student accessibility aid.
>> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
>> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and 
>>> other small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically 
>>> state Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. 
>>> Brian, I hope this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the 
>>> clean install.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Alex Hall]

I don't either. If I said "sort", I misspoke; I'd like to select which ones are 
spoken, and in what order. For instance, my ideal setup is:
read status, subject, message count, attachments, sender, message preview
On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:22 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Well, you can sort columns manually in classic view. You use the 
> VO-shift-backslash method. I don’t use that view, however.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> “Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.”—Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I wish they'd let us sort the header fields manually, but I do like having 
>> the conversation count back.
>> 
>> On another note, has anyone to iced, at least with the Ava voice, that words 
>> are turning into numbers? Read this sentence with Ava, as long as you're 
>> using 10.9.2:
>> The word to (t o) in this sentence is spoken as the number 2, for (f o r) 
>> some reason.
>> Just watch for it, and you'll quickly see what I mean. I haven't tested 
>> other voices yet to see if this is a widespread problem or not.
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm just downloading my update now.
>>> 
>>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 09:46 pm, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>> 
 For those fighting with gmail in Apple Mail, there are these bits:
 
 Improves compatibility with Gmail Archive mailboxes
 Includes improvements to Gmail labels
 Includes general improvements to the stability and compatibility of Mail
 
 CB
 
 On 2/25/14 2:57 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> There was a link in the info about the update that you could activate.  
> Here it is in case you’re unable to locate anything:
> 
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6114?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> Where can you find the Voiceover-specific release notes? I only found a 
>> reference to “some Voiceover improvements”.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't use braille much, but one note in the update said they fixed 
>>> some Handytech displays, among other Voiceover fixes. Hopefully your 
>>> display is among the fixed.
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Maurice Mines  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not 
 come out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that 
 some braille displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I 
 guess not? Maybe sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near 
 future Apple will fix this? Oh well going to continue with USB braille 
 don't want much non-fun.
 
 PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly 
 come out the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
 Student accessibility aid.
 Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
 Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and 
> other small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically 
> state Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. 
> Brian, I hope this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the 
> clean install.
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Teresa Cochran]

Well, you can sort columns manually in classic view. You use the 
VO-shift-backslash method. I don’t use that view, however.

Teresa

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On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I wish they'd let us sort the header fields manually, but I do like having 
> the conversation count back.
> 
> On another note, has anyone to iced, at least with the Ava voice, that words 
> are turning into numbers? Read this sentence with Ava, as long as you're 
> using 10.9.2:
> The word to (t o) in this sentence is spoken as the number 2, for (f o r) 
> some reason.
> Just watch for it, and you'll quickly see what I mean. I haven't tested other 
> voices yet to see if this is a widespread problem or not.
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> I'm just downloading my update now.
>> 
>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 09:46 pm, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>>> For those fighting with gmail in Apple Mail, there are these bits:
>>> 
>>> Improves compatibility with Gmail Archive mailboxes
>>> Includes improvements to Gmail labels
>>> Includes general improvements to the stability and compatibility of Mail
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 2/25/14 2:57 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Hi,
 
 There was a link in the info about the update that you could activate.  
 Here it is in case you’re unable to locate anything:
 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6114?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
 
> Where can you find the Voiceover-specific release notes? I only found a 
> reference to “some Voiceover improvements”.
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I don't use braille much, but one note in the update said they fixed 
>> some Handytech displays, among other Voiceover fixes. Hopefully your 
>> display is among the fixed.
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Maurice Mines  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not 
>>> come out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that 
>>> some braille displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I 
>>> guess not? Maybe sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future 
>>> Apple will fix this? Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't 
>>> want much non-fun.
>>> 
>>> PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come 
>>> out the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
>>> Student accessibility aid.
>>> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
>>> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and 
 other small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically 
 state Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. 
 Brian, I hope this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the 
 clean install.
 
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Re: Option Click doesn't seem to work on the mac Appstore

[Daniel Chavez]

The question then becomes if I download the full installer, would it be 10.9.2?

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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Alex,

Thanks, just saw it is here, just want to read through some emails to see if 
anyone has any comments on it before updating. Thanks, keeping my fingers 
crossed this will fix my or at least some of my issues, hey how funny as I 
switched over to me.com curious to see if gmail works again
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> Hi all,
> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state Voiceover 
> fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope this fixes 
> some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
> 
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[matthew Dyer]

Hi,

Am I missing something?  Is osx 10.9.2 offish ally out or is it still in bata?  
I heard that it was coming  but have not heard an official announcement.

Thanks.

Matthew


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> 
> Are you able to make a FaceTime Video call to the same individual?  A 
> reminder that FaceTime is only for calls between Apple ID's or iPhone numbers 
> registered to your Apple ID.  If you are able to make the FaceTime video 
> call, but not the audio call, then either the person you're trying to call 
> hasn't updated their Mac to handle the FaceTime Audio, their device is turned 
> off, or there really could be a bug.  It seems odd that there would be a bug 
> right away upon the release of this feature, but, it is possible.
> 
> Do some testing first, post any relevant and specific results, and then we 
> can proceed from there.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:28 PM, isaac  wrote:
> 
>> I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time audio 
>> call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
>>> I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages app.
>>> However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
>>> beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Alex Hall]

It dropped a few hours ago.

To stay on topic for this thread, how do you FaceTime someone on the Mac? I 
don't have a camera, so haven't been able to do so until just now, but the 
FaceTime app has nothing at all in it. What's the secret to calling on a Mac 
using FaceTime? My whole family uses iPhones with iOS7, so this should be 
easy...
On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM, matthew Dyer  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am I missing something?  Is osx 10.9.2 offish ally out or is it still in 
> bata?  I heard that it was coming  but have not heard an official 
> announcement.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Are you able to make a FaceTime Video call to the same individual?  A 
>> reminder that FaceTime is only for calls between Apple ID's or iPhone 
>> numbers registered to your Apple ID.  If you are able to make the FaceTime 
>> video call, but not the audio call, then either the person you're trying to 
>> call hasn't updated their Mac to handle the FaceTime Audio, their device is 
>> turned off, or there really could be a bug.  It seems odd that there would 
>> be a bug right away upon the release of this feature, but, it is possible.
>> 
>> Do some testing first, post any relevant and specific results, and then we 
>> can proceed from there.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:28 PM, isaac  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time audio 
>>> call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
 I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages 
 app.
 However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
 beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
 Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
 
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Re: Option Click doesn't seem to work on the mac Appstore

[Ray Foret Jr]

Of course it will.  I can't see what difference option enter would make anyhow.


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> The question then becomes if I download the full installer, would it be 
> 10.9.2?
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Ray Foret Jr]

Trust me, it's out.


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On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:36 PM, matthew Dyer  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am I missing something?  Is osx 10.9.2 offish ally out or is it still in 
> bata?  I heard that it was coming  but have not heard an official 
> announcement.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Are you able to make a FaceTime Video call to the same individual?  A 
>> reminder that FaceTime is only for calls between Apple ID's or iPhone 
>> numbers registered to your Apple ID.  If you are able to make the FaceTime 
>> video call, but not the audio call, then either the person you're trying to 
>> call hasn't updated their Mac to handle the FaceTime Audio, their device is 
>> turned off, or there really could be a bug.  It seems odd that there would 
>> be a bug right away upon the release of this feature, but, it is possible.
>> 
>> Do some testing first, post any relevant and specific results, and then we 
>> can proceed from there.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:28 PM, isaac  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time audio 
>>> call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
 I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages 
 app.
 However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
 beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
 Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
 
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Ray Foret Jr]

You can call your Mac using Facetime with your e-mail address.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> It dropped a few hours ago.
> 
> To stay on topic for this thread, how do you FaceTime someone on the Mac? I 
> don't have a camera, so haven't been able to do so until just now, but the 
> FaceTime app has nothing at all in it. What's the secret to calling on a Mac 
> using FaceTime? My whole family uses iPhones with iOS7, so this should be 
> easy...
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM, matthew Dyer  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Am I missing something?  Is osx 10.9.2 offish ally out or is it still in 
>> bata?  I heard that it was coming  but have not heard an official 
>> announcement.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Are you able to make a FaceTime Video call to the same individual?  A 
>>> reminder that FaceTime is only for calls between Apple ID's or iPhone 
>>> numbers registered to your Apple ID.  If you are able to make the FaceTime 
>>> video call, but not the audio call, then either the person you're trying to 
>>> call hasn't updated their Mac to handle the FaceTime Audio, their device is 
>>> turned off, or there really could be a bug.  It seems odd that there would 
>>> be a bug right away upon the release of this feature, but, it is possible.
>>> 
>>> Do some testing first, post any relevant and specific results, and then we 
>>> can proceed from there.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:28 PM, isaac  wrote:
>>> 
 I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time audio 
 call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez 
  wrote:
 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
> I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages 
> app.
> However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
> beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
> Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Alex Hall]

Right, but how do I call out? If I'm on the Mac, how to I place a FaceTime 
audio call to a contact?
On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> You can call your Mac using Facetime with your e-mail address.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> It dropped a few hours ago.
>> 
>> To stay on topic for this thread, how do you FaceTime someone on the Mac? I 
>> don't have a camera, so haven't been able to do so until just now, but the 
>> FaceTime app has nothing at all in it. What's the secret to calling on a Mac 
>> using FaceTime? My whole family uses iPhones with iOS7, so this should be 
>> easy...
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM, matthew Dyer  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Am I missing something?  Is osx 10.9.2 offish ally out or is it still in 
>>> bata?  I heard that it was coming  but have not heard an official 
>>> announcement.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Are you able to make a FaceTime Video call to the same individual?  A 
 reminder that FaceTime is only for calls between Apple ID's or iPhone 
 numbers registered to your Apple ID.  If you are able to make the FaceTime 
 video call, but not the audio call, then either the person you're trying 
 to call hasn't updated their Mac to handle the FaceTime Audio, their 
 device is turned off, or there really could be a bug.  It seems odd that 
 there would be a bug right away upon the release of this feature, but, it 
 is possible.
 
 Do some testing first, post any relevant and specific results, and then we 
 can proceed from there.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:28 PM, isaac  wrote:
 
> I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time 
> audio call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
>> I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages 
>> app.
>> However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
>> beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
>> Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
>> 
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Richard Ring]

I just called a contact using FaceTime Audio. I chose the all contacts radio 
button, and in the search field I wrote the name of the person I wanted to 
call. I interacted with the scroll area, and and then with the contacts table 
and chose the phone number. I then pressed the face time audio button and, 
bingo.
 

You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
 Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
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On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Right, but how do I call out? If I'm on the Mac, how to I place a FaceTime 
> audio call to a contact?
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> You can call your Mac using Facetime with your e-mail address.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> It dropped a few hours ago.
>>> 
>>> To stay on topic for this thread, how do you FaceTime someone on the Mac? I 
>>> don't have a camera, so haven't been able to do so until just now, but the 
>>> FaceTime app has nothing at all in it. What's the secret to calling on a 
>>> Mac using FaceTime? My whole family uses iPhones with iOS7, so this should 
>>> be easy...
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM, matthew Dyer  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Am I missing something?  Is osx 10.9.2 offish ally out or is it still in 
 bata?  I heard that it was coming  but have not heard an official 
 announcement.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Are you able to make a FaceTime Video call to the same individual?  A 
> reminder that FaceTime is only for calls between Apple ID's or iPhone 
> numbers registered to your Apple ID.  If you are able to make the 
> FaceTime video call, but not the audio call, then either the person 
> you're trying to call hasn't updated their Mac to handle the FaceTime 
> Audio, their device is turned off, or there really could be a bug.  It 
> seems odd that there would be a bug right away upon the release of this 
> feature, but, it is possible.
> 
> Do some testing first, post any relevant and specific results, and then 
> we can proceed from there.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:28 PM, isaac  wrote:
> 
>> I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time 
>> audio call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
>>> I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages 
>>> app.
>>> However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
>>> beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
>>> 
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Earle]

FaceTime audio is working fine for me.  I went into FaceTime on the Mac, chose 
a contact, and hit the FaceTime audio button.  It rang and my call was 
connected with no problems at all.

Earle
On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:54 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Right, but how do I call out? If I'm on the Mac, how to I place a FaceTime 
> audio call to a contact?
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> You can call your Mac using Facetime with your e-mail address.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> It dropped a few hours ago.
>>> 
>>> To stay on topic for this thread, how do you FaceTime someone on the Mac? I 
>>> don't have a camera, so haven't been able to do so until just now, but the 
>>> FaceTime app has nothing at all in it. What's the secret to calling on a 
>>> Mac using FaceTime? My whole family uses iPhones with iOS7, so this should 
>>> be easy...
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM, matthew Dyer  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Am I missing something?  Is osx 10.9.2 offish ally out or is it still in 
 bata?  I heard that it was coming  but have not heard an official 
 announcement.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Are you able to make a FaceTime Video call to the same individual?  A 
> reminder that FaceTime is only for calls between Apple ID's or iPhone 
> numbers registered to your Apple ID.  If you are able to make the 
> FaceTime video call, but not the audio call, then either the person 
> you're trying to call hasn't updated their Mac to handle the FaceTime 
> Audio, their device is turned off, or there really could be a bug.  It 
> seems odd that there would be a bug right away upon the release of this 
> feature, but, it is possible.
> 
> Do some testing first, post any relevant and specific results, and then 
> we can proceed from there.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:28 PM, isaac  wrote:
> 
>> I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time 
>> audio call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
>>> I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages 
>>> app.
>>> However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
>>> beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
>>> 
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Re: finger computer for OCR

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Erik,

I don't think anyone would ever read War and Peace with either device, but it 
could provide an interesting alternative for short documents.  Probably similar 
to Prismo and Text Grabber, but it seems it might be easier to focus once you 
got the hang of it.
Cheers,
Donna
On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:47 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:

> Hi Donna,  I've personally been intrigued by the Ectaco C-Pen 3.5 for over a 
> year now.  I haven't bought the thing because my business started to impload 
> last year around my personal problems and there was never enough resources to 
> expense the $150 unit.  The reviews on it are extremely mixed and I have not 
> been able to reach the company to set up an evaluation but the promo material 
> looks pretty awsome.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2014-02-25, at 11:45 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>  
>>> First, forgive the cross-post and the OT post., but as I know reading is a 
>>> subject that occupies much space on both lists, it seemed appropriate to 
>>> post to both.
>>>  
>>> Below is a link I received to an article about a new product under 
>>> development.  It's a device that you wear on your finger, and then scan 
>>> across a line of text to hear it read out loud.  It obviously has a ways to 
>>> go before it would be practical to use, but wow, what cool possibilities it 
>>> could open up, if the OCR capability is decent.
>>>  
>>> http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/finger-computer-reads-books-aloud-140221.htm?utm_source=TW&utm_medium=DNews&utm_campaign=DNewsSocial
>>>  
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>> 
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Re: facebook question

[Mike]

In that case all you need to do is find the status in your newsfeed, do a two 
finger double tap, scroll down to the bottom and select "more". This will take 
you to a new menu where you can hide that status or the person completely. I 
have no clue how to undo that though so be warned.

Mike Malarsie 
www.malarsie.com

> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:13 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> I have an iphone 5s running oios 7.06 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mike 
> To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:52 am
> Subject: Re: facebook question
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I don't know how to do this on the computer. What kind of phone do you have 
>> the because it's really easy on iOS.
>> 
>> Mike Malarsie 
>> www.malarsie.com
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:27 PM, don bishop  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've tried  to do this on the mac and the iphone, but can't figure out how 
>>> to do it. 
>>> I want to hide the posts from a particular person and still be a friend.  
>>> I'm sure there's a way to do this.  Can I do it from the m.facebook site or 
>>> the standard facebook site, and how do I do it? 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Don
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Re: finger computer for OCR

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Anne,

Well of course it's always wait and see with any of these things. And it sounds 
like all they have now is a prototype, so who knows if it'll ever amount to 
more.  And even if they do develop it, I wonder how good the OCR will be. I 
just thought it looked like an interesting device.  

Funny you mention the Optacon.  I found mine during our last move.  It's dead 
as a doornail and hasn't been used for nearly forty years.  I can't decide 
whether to try and repair it or not.  But I can see why you'd keep it around if 
yours still worked, I feel sort of sentimental about the thing.  It was such an 
incredible blast from the past when I opened the box and there it was.
Cheers,
Donna
On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Donna,
> 
> This is interesting inasmuch as it comes from a well-funded lab. But over the 
> years, I've heard of so many attempts to produce something of this sort and 
> very few of them have come to market. One that has is the TopBraille, which 
> converts printed characters to Braille characters and is pocket size. As a 
> long-term optacon user, I find the TopBraille clunky and it hasn't found much 
> of a market. If I remember rightly, the TopBraille also speaks if you want it 
> to.
> 
> I keep hoping that haptic technology will eventually result in a miniature 
> optacon that could be used one-handed. Until then, my two optacons will never 
> be far from my hand.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 17:45, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>  
>>> First, forgive the cross-post and the OT post., but as I know reading is a 
>>> subject that occupies much space on both lists, it seemed appropriate to 
>>> post to both.
>>>  
>>> Below is a link I received to an article about a new product under 
>>> development.  It's a device that you wear on your finger, and then scan 
>>> across a line of text to hear it read out loud.  It obviously has a ways to 
>>> go before it would be practical to use, but wow, what cool possibilities it 
>>> could open up, if the OCR capability is decent.
>>>  
>>> http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/finger-computer-reads-books-aloud-140221.htm?utm_source=TW&utm_medium=DNews&utm_campaign=DNewsSocial
>>>  
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: facebook question

[don bishop]

Mike,

Thanks a lot.  That did the trick, and you're right, it really iseasy.

Don



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To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: facebook question

>
>
> In that case all you need to do is find the status in your newsfeed, do a two 
> finger double tap, scroll down to the bottom and select "more". This will 
> take you to a new menu where you can hide that status or the person 
> completely. I have no clue how to undo that though so be warned.
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> www.malarsie.com
> 
> > On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:13 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> > 
> > hi,
> > I have an iphone 5s running oios 7.06 
> > Don
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Mike 
> > To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
> > Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:52 am
> > Subject: Re: facebook question
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I don't know how to do this on the computer. What kind of phone do you 
> >> have the because it's really easy on iOS.
> >> 
> >> Mike Malarsie 
> >> www.malarsie.com
> >> 
> >>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:27 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I've tried  to do this on the mac and the iphone, but can't figure out 
> >>> how to do it. 
> >>> I want to hide the posts from a particular person and still be a friend.. 
> >>>  I'm sure there's a way to do this.  Can I do it from the m.facebook site 
> >>> or the standard facebook site, and how do I do it? 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Don
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Scott Rumery]

Here is what I had to do to get FaceTime Audio to work.

1 Click the Finder icon in the Dock.
2 Choose Go to Folder from the Go menu. 
3 Type:  /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration 
4 Click Go. 
5 In the Finder window, locate the file named "NetworkInterfaces.plist" and 
drag this file to the Trash. 
6 Restart your computer. 
You can see the full KB article here: 
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3297

I hope that this helps.
 Scott Rumery

Whatever happens keep your sense of humor

On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM, matthew Dyer  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am I missing something?  Is osx 10.9.2 offish ally out or is it still in 
> bata?  I heard that it was coming  but have not heard an official 
> announcement.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Are you able to make a FaceTime Video call to the same individual?  A 
>> reminder that FaceTime is only for calls between Apple ID's or iPhone 
>> numbers registered to your Apple ID.  If you are able to make the FaceTime 
>> video call, but not the audio call, then either the person you're trying to 
>> call hasn't updated their Mac to handle the FaceTime Audio, their device is 
>> turned off, or there really could be a bug.  It seems odd that there would 
>> be a bug right away upon the release of this feature, but, it is possible.
>> 
>> Do some testing first, post any relevant and specific results, and then we 
>> can proceed from there.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:28 PM, isaac  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time audio 
>>> call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
 I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages 
 app.
 However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
 beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
 Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
 
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Alex and all,

Just got the updated installed, so haven't had a ton of time to play around 
with it, but I am noticing that mail is running pretty smoothly and messages 
are opening very well. Of course the only program I have running is mail so we 
shall see as I open other programs. Going to connect my Logictech K760 keyboard 
and hope that it stays connected.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state Voiceover 
> fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I hope this fixes 
> some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
> 
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Actually, if you've associated your iPhone number with your Apple ID, you can 
call your Mac using that iPhone number as well as your Apple ID eMail address.  
It's kind of slick.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> You can call your Mac using Facetime with your e-mail address.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> It dropped a few hours ago.
>> 
>> To stay on topic for this thread, how do you FaceTime someone on the Mac? I 
>> don't have a camera, so haven't been able to do so until just now, but the 
>> FaceTime app has nothing at all in it. What's the secret to calling on a Mac 
>> using FaceTime? My whole family uses iPhones with iOS7, so this should be 
>> easy...
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:36 PM, matthew Dyer  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Am I missing something?  Is osx 10.9.2 offish ally out or is it still in 
>>> bata?  I heard that it was coming  but have not heard an official 
>>> announcement.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Are you able to make a FaceTime Video call to the same individual?  A 
 reminder that FaceTime is only for calls between Apple ID's or iPhone 
 numbers registered to your Apple ID.  If you are able to make the FaceTime 
 video call, but not the audio call, then either the person you're trying 
 to call hasn't updated their Mac to handle the FaceTime Audio, their 
 device is turned off, or there really could be a bug.  It seems odd that 
 there would be a bug right away upon the release of this feature, but, it 
 is possible.
 
 Do some testing first, post any relevant and specific results, and then we 
 can proceed from there.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:28 PM, isaac  wrote:
 
> I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time 
> audio call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
>> I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages 
>> app.
>> However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
>> beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
>> Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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Re: OS10.9.2 is out!

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Oh my God, I am so happy as Apple finally fixed the direction of web spots in 
safari. Yes, this was a minor issue but an odd one that always through me. Once 
again clicking VO command right bracket takes you down a page and clicking VO 
command left bracket takes you up the page to the web spots you have set. For 
those of you who do not use web spots I would highly suggest using them on 
sites you frequent a lot if there are parts of the page you want to jump around 
to quickly. It really will speed up your browsing. Thanks Apple nice job on 
this one.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> There was a link in the info about the update that you could activate.  Here 
> it is in case you're unable to locate anything:
> 
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6114?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> Where can you find the Voiceover-specific release notes? I only found a 
>> reference to "some Voiceover improvements".
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't use braille much, but one note in the update said they fixed some 
>>> Handytech displays, among other Voiceover fixes. Hopefully your display is 
>>> among the fixed.
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
>>> 
 just realized I'm dictating this to the phone so some of it might not come 
 out the way that it should. I hope this fixes the problem that some 
 braille displays are having a when trying to use Bluetooth. But I guess 
 not? Maybe sometime in my lifetime or sometime in the near future Apple 
 will fix this? Oh well going to continue with USB braille don't want much 
 non-fun.
 
 PS using the phone to dictate this so some of it might not exactly come 
 out the way that it should. Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
 Student accessibility aid.
 Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
 Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> OS10.9.2 is here! Aside from Mail, Safari, security, FaceTime, and other 
> small fixes and improvements, the release notes specifically state 
> Voiceover fixes. We'll see what those are in the coming days. Brian, I 
> hope this fixes some of your problems so you don't need the clean install.
> 
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Brian Fischler]

Hey,

I actually had no problem making a FaceTime audio call as I just tested it out. 
The person did tell me the call wasn't that clear, but could have been their 
phone as I heard them just fine. Did notice there were separate buttons for 
FaceTime and FaceTime audio. Hope this helps. There was a few different scroll 
ares that I had to navigate.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Don't know.  That's been happening to me even before 10.9.0 came out.  Come 
> to think of it, that's been going on ever since IOS 7.0.0.  IF you ask me, I 
> reckon there's a network issue at the Face time server end of things.  It'll 
> fail and you have to call right back.  So, just to see what happens, I called 
> my own Iphone with Facetime regular and Facetime audio on my Mac.  The first 
> time both ways, Facetime failed, and, my iPhone failed to ring at all.  On 
> the retry, it did.
> 
> This leads me to believe that Facetime fails because it just simply cannot 
> find the device being called on the first go round.  
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:28 PM, isaac  wrote:
> 
>> I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time audio 
>> call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
>>> I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages app.
>>> However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
>>> beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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Logitech Keyboard still losing connectivity in 10.9.2

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Is anyone else using the Logitech k760 Keyboard, just like in 10.9.1 after 
about 10 minutes I lost connection, not sure if this is an Apple Bluetooth 
issue or a Logitech issue, as my Apple bluetooth keyboard does not lose 
connectivity. Really frustrating as I prefer typing on the Logitech keyboard 
which also allows me to toggle between the mac and iPhone. Not sure if 
connecting a home phone via bluetooth so I can answer my iPhone on is causing 
problems, but it shouldn't as my mac isn't connected to my home phone this 
issue is baffling.

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Re: Closing the preview pane automatically in Mail.

[Rob]

Hi,
can you attach the script file and email it to
musicmaker...@gmail.com
I get an syntax error when saving the script.
something like identifier cant follow this identifier

use AppleMail : application id "com.apple.mail"
activate AppleMail
repeat with vw in message viewers
close vw's window
end repeat

set mywin to make new message viewer without preview pane is visible


Thanks,
Rob
You can leave me a voice mail or fax at
206-426-3505
"God is good all the time, & All the time God is good"

On 2/17/2014 8:55 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

The attached AppleScript closes all Message viewers and then opens one
up without the preview pane. This should prevent the preview pane from
re-appearing.

I don't know if anybody else has gotten this to work since there were
discussions on the Apple forums about errors  when trying to turn off
the preview pane.

Script starts on the next line.
*use* AppleMail : /application/ /id/ "com.apple.mail"
*activate*AppleMail

*repeat* *with* vw *in* /message viewers/
*close*vw's/window/
*end* *repeat*


*set* mywin*to* *make*new/message viewer/*without* preview pane is visible
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quality of music output when played from an iPod

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Recently I have had occasion to compare the sound of my actual CDs juxtaposed 
with the imported versions of those same CDs played on the same speakers, but 
played from my 4th gen touch.  There's a noticeable degradation in sound 
quality when the music is played from my ipod.  Just wondering if others have 
noticed this, and what, if anything you've done to compensate?
TIA,
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Re: quality of music output when played from an iPod

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi Donna,
When you import CDS, you can choose to increase the bit rate to a higher 
quality. I always import at 192 kbps as I can hear the degradation and it 
bothers me.
You can choose all these settings in iTunes prefs under the general tab.
You'll have to re import your CDs again but maybe it's worth it for you.
I am not a great expert on all this sample and bit rate stuff, but I do know I 
can hear it when it's too low. By default it's set at 128 kbps I think.
Check it out.

Lisette

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> Hi all,
> 
> Recently I have had occasion to compare the sound of my actual CDs juxtaposed 
> with the imported versions of those same CDs played on the same speakers, but 
> played from my 4th gen touch.  There's a noticeable degradation in sound 
> quality when the music is played from my ipod.  Just wondering if others have 
> noticed this, and what, if anything you've done to compensate?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: quality of music output when played from an iPod

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Lisette,

thanks.  You know, I didn't look at the bit rate, and I should have.  Much as I 
would dislike importing my CDs again, the poor sound quality does bother me 
quite a bit.  One thing I wonder, though, I have iTunes match, so wouldn't I be 
playing a higher quality recording, even if my CD was imported at a lower bit 
rate?
  thanks so much for the help.
Cheers,
Donna
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wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> When you import CDS, you can choose to increase the bit rate to a higher 
> quality. I always import at 192 kbps as I can hear the degradation and it 
> bothers me.
> You can choose all these settings in iTunes prefs under the general tab.
> You'll have to re import your CDs again but maybe it's worth it for you.
> I am not a great expert on all this sample and bit rate stuff, but I do know 
> I can hear it when it's too low. By default it's set at 128 kbps I think.
> Check it out.
> 
> Lisette
> 
> On 26/02/2014, at 2:13 pm, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Recently I have had occasion to compare the sound of my actual CDs 
>> juxtaposed with the imported versions of those same CDs played on the same 
>> speakers, but played from my 4th gen touch.  There's a noticeable 
>> degradation in sound quality when the music is played from my ipod.  Just 
>> wondering if others have noticed this, and what, if anything you've done to 
>> compensate?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: quality of music output when played from an iPod

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi Donna,
Sorry I don't use iTunes match so have no idea on that one.
I'm sure others will chime in.
Lisette

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> Hey Lisette,
> 
> thanks.  You know, I didn't look at the bit rate, and I should have.  Much as 
> I would dislike importing my CDs again, the poor sound quality does bother me 
> quite a bit.  One thing I wonder, though, I have iTunes match, so wouldn't I 
> be playing a higher quality recording, even if my CD was imported at a lower 
> bit rate?
>  thanks so much for the help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> When you import CDS, you can choose to increase the bit rate to a higher 
>> quality. I always import at 192 kbps as I can hear the degradation and it 
>> bothers me.
>> You can choose all these settings in iTunes prefs under the general tab.
>> You'll have to re import your CDs again but maybe it's worth it for you.
>> I am not a great expert on all this sample and bit rate stuff, but I do know 
>> I can hear it when it's too low. By default it's set at 128 kbps I think.
>> Check it out.
>> 
>> Lisette
>> 
>> On 26/02/2014, at 2:13 pm, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Recently I have had occasion to compare the sound of my actual CDs 
>>> juxtaposed with the imported versions of those same CDs played on the same 
>>> speakers, but played from my 4th gen touch.  There's a noticeable 
>>> degradation in sound quality when the music is played from my ipod.  Just 
>>> wondering if others have noticed this, and what, if anything you've done to 
>>> compensate?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Facetime Audio Fails Using Mavericks

[Alex Hall]

Odd. I could initiate a call from the Contacts app and it worked fine. I just 
expected the FaceTime app to allow me to call out as well as receive calls, but 
I guess it works more like the iPhone. Well, at least now I know how to start a 
call.
On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> I actually had no problem making a FaceTime audio call as I just tested it 
> out. The person did tell me the call wasn't that clear, but could have been 
> their phone as I heard them just fine. Did notice there were separate buttons 
> for FaceTime and FaceTime audio. Hope this helps. There was a few different 
> scroll ares that I had to navigate.
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Don't know.  That's been happening to me even before 10.9.0 came out.  Come 
>> to think of it, that's been going on ever since IOS 7.0.0.  IF you ask me, I 
>> reckon there's a network issue at the Face time server end of things.  It'll 
>> fail and you have to call right back.  So, just to see what happens, I 
>> called my own Iphone with Facetime regular and Facetime audio on my Mac.  
>> The first time both ways, Facetime failed, and, my iPhone failed to ring at 
>> all.  On the retry, it did.
>> 
>> This leads me to believe that Facetime fails because it just simply cannot 
>> find the device being called on the first go round.  
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:28 PM, isaac  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am having the same problem. Every time I try to make the face time audio 
>>> call it says FaceTime failed FaceTime failed why is this happening?
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I have successfully installed Mavericks 10.9.2.
 I have attempted to make a FaceTime audio call from within the Messages 
 app.
 However, when pressing VO-space on the "audio" button, I get a two-tone 
 beep, and a Message indicating "FaceTime audio has failed."
 Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could be doing wrong?
 
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Folder Action New Item Alert Now Works In Latest Mavericks Update

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi all,

I'm happy to report that the folder actions script for notifying when a new 
item is downloaded now works properly. This is a wonderful little utility that 
Finder has. Basically, you find the folder you want, go to the finder menu, and 
choose services submenu, then folder actions setup. A dialog opens up and you 
can select the script you want to run when a particular action is done to a 
folder. I always liked being notified when a new item was placed in my 
downloads folder. Unfortunately, the script didn't work when Mavericks first 
came out. Now it does. :)

Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

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Re: how to use a usb mouse with voiceover on the mac

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

go to the voice over utilities then go to navigation then click on the mouse 
pointer, then select moves voice over cursor
On 25 Feb 2014, at 08:01 pm, Jessica  wrote:

> how do I get voiceover to tell me when I'm on a blank space?
> Is this possible?
> On another, note, how can I make a command for "get all new mail for my 
> braille display?
> thanks,
> 
> Jessica
> jldai...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:59 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Just a guess but you should be able to just plug it in and it will magically 
>> work; no drivers necessary. Some mice even act as trackpads so you can use 
>> VoiceOver's trackpad commander by using just your mouse. This allows one to 
>> control their mac using gestures based on those found on iOS.
>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 17:36, Jessica  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I got a usb mouse for my birthday for use with my macbook. How do I use it 
>>> when running voiceover on my computer?
>>> where can  I find tips?
>>> thanks,
>>> 
>>> Jessica
>>> jldai...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: quality of music output when played from an iPod

[Eric Caron]

Hi Donna,

You can use iTunes match to get the higher quality recordings to play 
but it is not automatic.  you will be playing your local copy until you delete 
them and then import them back from iTunes match.  Here is a kind of amazing 
example.  I recorded many vinyl records and then placed them in itunes.  Later 
I noticed that many of them were recognized by iTunes.and showed up as matched. 
 Once I deleted them from itunes I could then bring them back from itunes 
match.  When they came back they were true high quality copies from itunes and 
not my vinyl recordings!  Mostly I was happy with the exchange.  For a few 
albums I missed the album sounds.

Eric Caron 

On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hey Lisette,
> 
> thanks.  You know, I didn't look at the bit rate, and I should have.  Much as 
> I would dislike importing my CDs again, the poor sound quality does bother me 
> quite a bit.  One thing I wonder, though, I have iTunes match, so wouldn't I 
> be playing a higher quality recording, even if my CD was imported at a lower 
> bit rate?
>  thanks so much for the help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> When you import CDS, you can choose to increase the bit rate to a higher 
>> quality. I always import at 192 kbps as I can hear the degradation and it 
>> bothers me.
>> You can choose all these settings in iTunes prefs under the general tab.
>> You'll have to re import your CDs again but maybe it's worth it for you.
>> I am not a great expert on all this sample and bit rate stuff, but I do know 
>> I can hear it when it's too low. By default it's set at 128 kbps I think.
>> Check it out.
>> 
>> Lisette
>> 
>> On 26/02/2014, at 2:13 pm, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Recently I have had occasion to compare the sound of my actual CDs 
>>> juxtaposed with the imported versions of those same CDs played on the same 
>>> speakers, but played from my 4th gen touch.  There's a noticeable 
>>> degradation in sound quality when the music is played from my ipod.  Just 
>>> wondering if others have noticed this, and what, if anything you've done to 
>>> compensate?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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App-specific pronunciations?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I was looking to see why Ava is pronouncing some words so oddly in 10.9.2, and 
I discovered a popup next to each pronunciation item to choose an app. That is, 
I can have a word spoken differently in a certain app. How long has this option 
been around? Is it new, or have I just missed it all this time?

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Re: quality of music output when played from an iPod

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Erik,

Oh, weird!  It would never have dawned on me that I have to do that.  So, how 
do I go about it?  If I delete the local copies, will the match copies import 
automatically?

Thanks both of you, Eric and Lisette.  I'll really be glad to have solved this.
Best,
Donna
On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:45 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> 
>   You can use iTunes match to get the higher quality recordings to play 
> but it is not automatic.  you will be playing your local copy until you 
> delete them and then import them back from iTunes match.  Here is a kind of 
> amazing example.  I recorded many vinyl records and then placed them in 
> itunes.  Later I noticed that many of them were recognized by iTunes.and 
> showed up as matched.  Once I deleted them from itunes I could then bring 
> them back from itunes match.  When they came back they were true high quality 
> copies from itunes and not my vinyl recordings!  Mostly I was happy with the 
> exchange.  For a few albums I missed the album sounds.
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Lisette,
>> 
>> thanks.  You know, I didn't look at the bit rate, and I should have.  Much 
>> as I would dislike importing my CDs again, the poor sound quality does 
>> bother me quite a bit.  One thing I wonder, though, I have iTunes match, so 
>> wouldn't I be playing a higher quality recording, even if my CD was imported 
>> at a lower bit rate?
>> thanks so much for the help.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> When you import CDS, you can choose to increase the bit rate to a higher 
>>> quality. I always import at 192 kbps as I can hear the degradation and it 
>>> bothers me.
>>> You can choose all these settings in iTunes prefs under the general tab.
>>> You'll have to re import your CDs again but maybe it's worth it for you.
>>> I am not a great expert on all this sample and bit rate stuff, but I do 
>>> know I can hear it when it's too low. By default it's set at 128 kbps I 
>>> think.
>>> Check it out.
>>> 
>>> Lisette
>>> 
>>> On 26/02/2014, at 2:13 pm, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 Recently I have had occasion to compare the sound of my actual CDs 
 juxtaposed with the imported versions of those same CDs played on the same 
 speakers, but played from my 4th gen touch.  There's a noticeable 
 degradation in sound quality when the music is played from my ipod.  Just 
 wondering if others have noticed this, and what, if anything you've done 
 to compensate?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: App-specific pronunciations?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I believe it's been around since the beginning of the Pronunciation tab was 
made a part of the VO Utility.  Initially, not as obvious but there.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I was looking to see why Ava is pronouncing some words so oddly in 10.9.2, 
> and I discovered a popup next to each pronunciation item to choose an app. 
> That is, I can have a word spoken differently in a certain app. How long has 
> this option been around? Is it new, or have I just missed it all this time?
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Re: The age old question of which braille display to get

[Aimee Harwood]

Hello Jonathan. I actually agree that the prices have come down a good bit. I 
am getting the display purchased for me, so I can go for the larger display if 
need be. I had hoped that you would have given me some of your wonderful 
insight on pros and cons of the displays that I had listed. I currently don't 
have any access to JAWS but may in the future.  

I spent the afternoon with the focus 40 connected to my iPad and used it to 
type some lengthy notes. To me it was a good bit noisier all the way  around 
compared to my Refreshabraille. The keys were louder and the display changing 
pins around was louder as well. I had to get used to putting my pinkies back to 
work again. They don't have anything to do on my Refreshabraille. I did decide 
that the 40 cells will be better for me. It took me a bit to get used to having 
the space bar further away from my other fingers, but after a while it was 
pretty comfortable. 

So is there anyone that can from experience, give me some pros and coms of the 
displays I listed in my original message? If possible, please focus more on 
Apple products when giving those pros and coms. 


I really like to do a lot of research and comparing before a purchase is made 
so that I don't regret my choice down the road.I greatly appreciate everyones 
input so far.

Aimee 

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> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> I think it's also important to remember that there has been downward pressure 
> on Braille display prices over the last decade. In 2004, you'd be looking at 
> at least $5,000 USD for a 40 cell display. Manufacturing processes have 
> improved and you can now get a 40 cell display for $2800 USD. I realise 
> that's still a lot of money and it would be good to see prices drop further 
> if manufacturing costs allow, but when you take inflation into account, 
> that's one massive reduction and manufacturers are not keeping the cost 
> savings to themselves and making higher profits.
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>> On 25/02/2014, at 3:38 am, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there 
>> I don't think it's realistic for us to expect braille displays to go down 
>> that much in the foreseeable future. There's just not that many of us, 
>> relatively speaking, who need or want them. Even if braille once again 
>> became the hottest thing for us the way it should be, we're a highly 
>> specialized crowd and there's a lot of braille displays out there. In my 
>> case, I actually make more money by spending the money on the braille 
>> displays. This is because one of my customers can use email for sending me 
>> work instead of brailling it all up. So, I get the work faster from them. 
>> This means I can turn in more work as well. 
>> 
>> The fewer cells the braille displays have the less they are going to cost. 
>> The smallest I ever heard of lately is 12 cells, and I don't think it'd want 
>> one that was less than that. 
>> 
>> You might be able to get some used displays. I did once when I needed one 
>> but didn't have much money. When I bought the used one, I ended up getting 
>> several hundred dollars off the price. Not only that, but the display has 
>> lasted and is still going for several years. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:13 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have always wanted a braille display, but imo it is nearly impossible to 
>>> afford one. I can't see paying *that* much for something, I just can't. I 
>>> keep reading about cheaper options soon, but cheaper has simply seemed to 
>>> mean less useable, imo. 
>>> 
>>> Alia
 On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Justin Mann  wrote:
 
 Yes it does absolutely.  You will need to get the feature pack with it 
 however in order to get the braille keyboard.  However, it is well worth 
 the investment.
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