Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

[Steve Griffiths]

The official list is here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

Steve

On 22 Jan 2014, at 19:02, Richard Ring  wrote:

> That is exactly right! I know how to find VoiceOver commands, I want a list 
> of Mavericks keyboard commands.
> 
> 
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>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
> richr...@gmail.com
> 
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Shawn AKA BBS  wrote:
> 
>> Hi David and others. I think what Richard was asking for is keyboard 
>> shortcuts for Mavericks in general, not just Voiceover. Richard, if I'm 
>> mistaken, please correct me.
>> 
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Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[April Brown]

It doesn't work here.  It claims to be a potential security issue.  I have 
screenshots saved.  No idea how to add a screen shot to a message on the 
message board. 

Of course, I've not even had my computer for a month yet, so I may have a 
different version of Pages.

And when I try to open a Pages document on the old Windows computer, it 
won't open, a it is a folder and a separate document beside it.

Have to keep that, until I get all of nine months important Outlook emails 
converted to text, and a step by step  VoiceOver guide created, so I can 
use VoiceOver.



On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:19:32 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Sending Pages documents via eMail will send it as a .pages document just 
> fine.  I tested a few minutes ago with a Pages document from my Gmail 
> account to my work account and the document came through perfectly as a 
> Pages document which opened properly.  It should be no different for any 
> regular documents.
>
> Later…
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Chris Blouch > 
> wrote:
>
> The MIME format used to encode email attachments has no structure for 
> folders so to attach a folder of files many email apps will zip them into a 
> single file and then send that as an attachment. That said, a Word doc 
> usually is one monolithic file so unless you somehow picked the containing 
> folder rather than the exported word doc the mail app shouldn't be applying 
> zip to your attachment. Now a pages document actually is a folder so if you 
> somehow are attaching a Pages doc and not the converted Word version that 
> would explain it.
>
> CB
>
> On 1/22/14 6:35 AM, Jessica D wrote:
>
> it is just one file.
> why would apple mail zip files and not tell you? i have never seen this as 
> an issue before.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Chris Blouch > 
> wrote:
>
> If you have the file selected you can do a command-I to get info on the 
> file and the Size field will tell you how big it is. In general 10MB and 
> under should go through ok with most email providers. The internet 
> standards for MIME encoded attachments have no size limits but that doesn't 
> mean one service provider or another doesn't impose one. MIME also adds 
> about a third again of overhead so emailing a 3MB file will take about 4MB 
> of space, pushing you over the 10MB limit sooner. I know Outlook and some 
> other email clients have options to automatically zip attachments but I was 
> unaware of Apple Mail doing this. I have heard it will zip a folder. Are 
> you attaching the actual file or a folder of files?
>
> CB
>
> On 1/21/14 5:27 PM, Jessica D wrote:
> i have no clue, how would i find out?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Chris Blouch > 
> wrote:
>
> How big are the files you are trying to send? Maybe something is trying to 
> 'help' you along the way by zipping the files.
>
> CB
>
> On 1/21/14 5:04 PM, Jess wrote:
> Hello,
> I am having extreme difficulty sending word and/or excel files to people 
> who have older versions of windows. It sends them as .zip files instead of 
> .xls, csv, or .doc. why could this be?
> Jessica
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Re: Popup Menus in Numbers

[Nicholas Parsons]

Just a little more info on the popup menu issue in Numbers, but still no 
solution, unfortunately.

I got my girlfriend to check, and she says that just clicking on the cell 
doesn't do anything. There's a little triangle or arrow below or next to the 
cell though, and clicking on this brings up what she describes as a drop down 
menu, rather than a popup menu. I couldn't find a way to make use of this info 
to activate the popup menu with VoiceOver, but perhaps someone else can.

With hope,
Nic

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Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

[Richard Ring]

That's exactly what I wanted! Thanks!


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
 Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
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On Jan 23, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Steve Griffiths  wrote:

> The official list is here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343
> 
> Steve
> 
> On 22 Jan 2014, at 19:02, Richard Ring  wrote:
> 
>> That is exactly right! I know how to find VoiceOver commands, I want a list 
>> of Mavericks keyboard commands.
>> 
>> 
>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
>> richr...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Shawn AKA BBS  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi David and others. I think what Richard was asking for is keyboard 
>>> shortcuts for Mavericks in general, not just Voiceover. Richard, if I'm 
>>> mistaken, please correct me.
>>> 
>>> -- 
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Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[Daniel Hawkins]

Hello April,

If you made a Pages doc, and want to save it to MS Word, you will have to 
export it to MS Office. Lasttime I checked the export dialouge in Pages and 
Numbers was not accessable by VO with the new iWork. So what I did was open it 
up in my iPhone and export there on the iCloud.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7
4GB DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit

On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:34 AM, April Brown  wrote:

> It doesn't work here.  It claims to be a potential security issue.  I have 
> screenshots saved.  No idea how to add a screen shot to a message on the 
> message board. 
> 
> Of course, I've not even had my computer for a month yet, so I may have a 
> different version of Pages.
> 
> And when I try to open a Pages document on the old Windows computer, it won't 
> open, a it is a folder and a separate document beside it.
> 
> Have to keep that, until I get all of nine months important Outlook emails 
> converted to text, and a step by step  VoiceOver guide created, so I can use 
> VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:19:32 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Sending Pages documents via eMail will send it as a .pages document just 
> fine.  I tested a few minutes ago with a Pages document from my Gmail account 
> to my work account and the document came through perfectly as a Pages 
> document which opened properly.  It should be no different for any regular 
> documents.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
>> The MIME format used to encode email attachments has no structure for 
>> folders so to attach a folder of files many email apps will zip them into a 
>> single file and then send that as an attachment. That said, a Word doc 
>> usually is one monolithic file so unless you somehow picked the containing 
>> folder rather than the exported word doc the mail app shouldn't be applying 
>> zip to your attachment. Now a pages document actually is a folder so if you 
>> somehow are attaching a Pages doc and not the converted Word version that 
>> would explain it.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 1/22/14 6:35 AM, Jessica D wrote:
>>> it is just one file.
>>> why would apple mail zip files and not tell you? i have never seen this as 
>>> an issue before.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
 
 If you have the file selected you can do a command-I to get info on the 
 file and the Size field will tell you how big it is. In general 10MB and 
 under should go through ok with most email providers. The internet 
 standards for MIME encoded attachments have no size limits but that 
 doesn't mean one service provider or another doesn't impose one. MIME also 
 adds about a third again of overhead so emailing a 3MB file will take 
 about 4MB of space, pushing you over the 10MB limit sooner. I know Outlook 
 and some other email clients have options to automatically zip attachments 
 but I was unaware of Apple Mail doing this. I have heard it will zip a 
 folder. Are you attaching the actual file or a folder of files?
 
 CB
 
> On 1/21/14 5:27 PM, Jessica D wrote:
> i have no clue, how would i find out?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>> How big are the files you are trying to send? Maybe something is trying 
>> to 'help' you along the way by zipping the files.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 1/21/14 5:04 PM, Jess wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I am having extreme difficulty sending word and/or excel files to 
>>> people who have older versions of windows. It sends them as .zip files 
>>> instead of .xls, csv, or .doc. why could this be?
>>> Jessica
>>> I walk by faith, not by sight.
>>> 2 Corinthians 5: 7
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Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[April Brown]

Thanks Daniel,

   That's helpful to know.  Hopefully they'll fix it soon.

On Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:59:48 AM UTC-5, Daniel Hawkins wrote:
>
> Hello April,
>
> If you made a Pages doc, and want to save it to MS Word, you will have to 
> export it to MS Office. Lasttime I checked the export dialouge in Pages and 
> Numbers was not accessable by VO with the new iWork. So what I did was open 
> it up in my iPhone and export there on the iCloud.
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>
> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
> 2.3 Quad-core i7
> 4GB DDR3
> 500GB HDD
>
> Dual Boot:
> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>  
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:34 AM, April Brown > 
> wrote:
>
> It doesn't work here.  It claims to be a potential security issue.  I have 
> screenshots saved.  No idea how to add a screen shot to a message on the 
> message board. 
>
> Of course, I've not even had my computer for a month yet, so I may have a 
> different version of Pages.
>
> And when I try to open a Pages document on the old Windows computer, it 
> won't open, a it is a folder and a separate document beside it.
>
> Have to keep that, until I get all of nine months important Outlook emails 
> converted to text, and a step by step  VoiceOver guide created, so I can 
> use VoiceOver.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:19:32 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sending Pages documents via eMail will send it as a .pages document just 
>> fine.  I tested a few minutes ago with a Pages document from my Gmail 
>> account to my work account and the document came through perfectly as a 
>> Pages document which opened properly.  It should be no different for any 
>> regular documents.
>>
>> Later…
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>  
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>
>> The MIME format used to encode email attachments has no structure for 
>> folders so to attach a folder of files many email apps will zip them into a 
>> single file and then send that as an attachment. That said, a Word doc 
>> usually is one monolithic file so unless you somehow picked the containing 
>> folder rather than the exported word doc the mail app shouldn't be applying 
>> zip to your attachment. Now a pages document actually is a folder so if you 
>> somehow are attaching a Pages doc and not the converted Word version that 
>> would explain it.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 1/22/14 6:35 AM, Jessica D wrote:
>>
>> it is just one file.
>> why would apple mail zip files and not tell you? i have never seen this 
>> as an issue before.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>
>> If you have the file selected you can do a command-I to get info on the 
>> file and the Size field will tell you how big it is. In general 10MB and 
>> under should go through ok with most email providers. The internet 
>> standards for MIME encoded attachments have no size limits but that doesn't 
>> mean one service provider or another doesn't impose one. MIME also adds 
>> about a third again of overhead so emailing a 3MB file will take about 4MB 
>> of space, pushing you over the 10MB limit sooner. I know Outlook and some 
>> other email clients have options to automatically zip attachments but I was 
>> unaware of Apple Mail doing this. I have heard it will zip a folder. Are 
>> you attaching the actual file or a folder of files?
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 1/21/14 5:27 PM, Jessica D wrote:
>> i have no clue, how would i find out?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>
>> How big are the files you are trying to send? Maybe something is trying 
>> to 'help' you along the way by zipping the files.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 1/21/14 5:04 PM, Jess wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I am having extreme difficulty sending word and/or excel files to people 
>> who have older versions of windows. It sends them as .zip files instead of 
>> .xls, csv, or .doc. why could this be?
>> Jessica
>> I walk by faith, not by sight.
>> 2 Corinthians 5: 7
>>
>> -- 
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Re: moving an app to the dock

[David Taylor]

And if anyone has a problem with that keystroke, what I do is open the app, 
find it in the dock and use the context menu to select keep in dock, and open 
at log in for the ones I want starting all the time. I always make sure Stacks 
are off and my docks is set to list view.

Cheers
Dave

On 23 Jan 2014, at 06:18, don bishop  wrote:

> Using Mavericks on an imac.  Just got yorufukrou and it's installed and in 
> the applications folder.  I want to move it to the dock.  I select it and 
> then hit command shift t but all that does is to show or hide the tab bar.  
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Don
> 
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Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[Anne Robertson]

Hello April,

Yes, you can export Pages documents to other formats using VoiceOver.

If you don’t want to change the filename or add any other information, just go 
to the appropriate format in the Export submenu and press Return twice and 
you’ll see the correct file type in the Export dialogue box.

If you’re exporting to EPUB, for instance, the sequence is more complicated but 
is still perfectly doable with VoiceOver.

Cheers,

Anne

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RE: app for bank-accounts

[Bill Holton]

Hi.
Have you tried the move to next container option in the rotor?  You may have
to go to settings and add it.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William Windels
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: app for bank-accounts

Hello,
I live in Belgium and I have a particular app from my financial bank to make
transfers of money .

There seems a accessibility problem with the app: the screen is splitter in
2 :
1 part with my account at the top of the screen and at the bottom there is a
kind of combo box (like the selection of a date in the agenda), to select
one of my other accounts.
3/4 fingers down/up left/right seems not to work and  I can't activate it by
tapping on the place where seeing people can see the information I need.
On the mac, I should use  vo+j but , this isn't available on ios.

Does anyone know iOS-app's where the screen is splitter in 2 and if there is
a way to jump between the different parts?

Kind regards,
William windels

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Re: apple mail back to default?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Go to your user / Library / Mail and delete the content. But for security 
reasons you should make a backup of the content into another folder.
All the best
Jürgen

Am 22.01.2014 um 23:34 schrieb Kliphton --- :

> Hi, had to do this once on mountain lion, but can't remember how.  How do I
> reset apple mail back to just like new?  I know there is a folder to delete,
> and it will act just like new when you open, does anyone remember what it
> is?  I have already googled this, and no go, so that is why I ask the group.
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Re: Splitting keyboard on an iPad

[Eugenia Firth]

Thanks Alex. I am going to be helping this lady's nephew tomorrow. He's got 
three different iPads, the highest of which is an iPad 3. I'm going to talk him 
into giving this one to his aunt so that she can have dictation and Siri. 

You guys with low vision correct if I'm wrong, please, but I thought that 
because she's very elderly also, that we could move the icons around on the 
iPad so that they would be separated and make them bigger. I even thought about 
moving them so that they are in the corners of the iPad so that when her vision 
gets worse she can know where they are. We can switch her to the iPhone if we 
have to if she goes totally blind or pose to it. She has got an iMac that 
somebody gave her, and I thought that she could use it for looking at her 
pictures on her big screen. Her nephew is a computer guru, so I'm just giving 
him a crash course in VoiceOver. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Either way is fine. It is the same gesture used to activate the back button, 
> so however you do that will work here. This requires Voiceover to be on - if 
> it is off, the pinch out will split the keyboard, and the pinch in will join 
> it.
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex
>> Excuse me for being a little dance here, but does that mean scrub from top 
>> to bottom or does that mean scrub from left to right when the keyboard is up?
>> Gigi
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> While focused in the edit field, with the keyboard visible, do a two-finger 
>>> scrub. That should toggle the keyboard's split mode.
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys
 I am in the process of helping someone set up an iPad free for an elderly 
 lady with low vision. I think she might need the feature of splitting the 
 keyboard so that you can use two hands to type with. I think she may need 
 voice over part time, and maybe later full time.  I understand that her 
 vision loss is progressive. DWhat is the command for doing that?
 Sincerely,
 Gigi
 
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Re: Splitting keyboard on an iPad

[Alex Hall]

Unfortunately, you can't move icons like that. Using Zoom you can enlarge the 
screen, but icons will always fill home screens to the right and down. You can 
move icons wherever you like on Android, but not iOS. That said, you could 
always just have a bunch of folders or home screens with only a few icons each.
On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Thanks Alex. I am going to be helping this lady's nephew tomorrow. He's got 
> three different iPads, the highest of which is an iPad 3. I'm going to talk 
> him into giving this one to his aunt so that she can have dictation and Siri. 
> 
> You guys with low vision correct if I'm wrong, please, but I thought that 
> because she's very elderly also, that we could move the icons around on the 
> iPad so that they would be separated and make them bigger. I even thought 
> about moving them so that they are in the corners of the iPad so that when 
> her vision gets worse she can know where they are. We can switch her to the 
> iPhone if we have to if she goes totally blind or pose to it. She has got an 
> iMac that somebody gave her, and I thought that she could use it for looking 
> at her pictures on her big screen. Her nephew is a computer guru, so I'm just 
> giving him a crash course in VoiceOver. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Either way is fine. It is the same gesture used to activate the back button, 
>> so however you do that will work here. This requires Voiceover to be on - if 
>> it is off, the pinch out will split the keyboard, and the pinch in will join 
>> it.
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex
>>> Excuse me for being a little dance here, but does that mean scrub from top 
>>> to bottom or does that mean scrub from left to right when the keyboard is 
>>> up?
>>> Gigi
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 While focused in the edit field, with the keyboard visible, do a 
 two-finger scrub. That should toggle the keyboard's split mode.
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
> Hi guys
> I am in the process of helping someone set up an iPad free for an elderly 
> lady with low vision. I think she might need the feature of splitting the 
> keyboard so that you can use two hands to type with. I think she may need 
> voice over part time, and maybe later full time.  I understand that her 
> vision loss is progressive. DWhat is the command for doing that?
> Sincerely,
> Gigi
> 
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Re: Splitting keyboard on an iPad

[Eugenia Firth]

Ok, I think that will work ok. I'm going to talk to him tomorrow about taking 
this iPad out of his Apple ID and setting up another one for his aunt. That 
way, she can do whatever on her iPad without messing up his devices. 

Gigi 

On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Unfortunately, you can't move icons like that. Using Zoom you can enlarge the 
> screen, but icons will always fill home screens to the right and down. You 
> can move icons wherever you like on Android, but not iOS. That said, you 
> could always just have a bunch of folders or home screens with only a few 
> icons each.
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Alex. I am going to be helping this lady's nephew tomorrow. He's got 
>> three different iPads, the highest of which is an iPad 3. I'm going to talk 
>> him into giving this one to his aunt so that she can have dictation and 
>> Siri. 
>> 
>> You guys with low vision correct if I'm wrong, please, but I thought that 
>> because she's very elderly also, that we could move the icons around on the 
>> iPad so that they would be separated and make them bigger. I even thought 
>> about moving them so that they are in the corners of the iPad so that when 
>> her vision gets worse she can know where they are. We can switch her to the 
>> iPhone if we have to if she goes totally blind or pose to it. She has got an 
>> iMac that somebody gave her, and I thought that she could use it for looking 
>> at her pictures on her big screen. Her nephew is a computer guru, so I'm 
>> just giving him a crash course in VoiceOver. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Either way is fine. It is the same gesture used to activate the back 
>>> button, so however you do that will work here. This requires Voiceover to 
>>> be on - if it is off, the pinch out will split the keyboard, and the pinch 
>>> in will join it.
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex
 Excuse me for being a little dance here, but does that mean scrub from top 
 to bottom or does that mean scrub from left to right when the keyboard is 
 up?
 Gigi
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> While focused in the edit field, with the keyboard visible, do a 
> two-finger scrub. That should toggle the keyboard's split mode.
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys
>> I am in the process of helping someone set up an iPad free for an 
>> elderly lady with low vision. I think she might need the feature of 
>> splitting the keyboard so that you can use two hands to type with. I 
>> think she may need voice over part time, and maybe later full time.  I 
>> understand that her vision loss is progressive. DWhat is the command for 
>> doing that?
>> Sincerely,
>> Gigi
>> 
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Re: Ftp client for the mac.

[Kayaker]

Hello,

Transmit is what I use most of the time, but it does have a few VO quirks in 
the native UI. I like it because you can mount the ftp volume on the desktop 
and interact with it like you do any mounted volume.

That said, also check out cyberduck, a java based cross platform client that is 
free with some VO issues, but it can be useable and you can’t beat the price. 
Here is a link to macupdate’s page on it: 
https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/8392/cyberduck


—k


On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:05 AM, Tim Emmons  wrote:

> Hi guys. I'm looking for a good ftp client for the mac that works well with 
> voiceover. Any suggestions? I've tried filezilla but can't figure it out. 
> Thanks for any help. I appreciate it.
> 
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Re: Popup Menus in Numbers

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Nick,

Try this with pop-ups:

1.  Navigate to the cell with the pop-up menu.
2.  Route the mouse to the VO-cursor with VO-cmd-f5.
3.  Turn on Mouse-keys.  (Press the Option key five times if you’ve set this up 
in System Preferences.)
4.  Go right 85 to 90 times.  (Letter “o” on a laptop or smaller keyboard and 
NumPad 6 on a extended keyboard)
5.  Click the mouse-keys mouse.  (Letter “i” on a laptop or smaller keyboard 
and NumPad 5 on an extended keyboard)
6.  Turn off mouse-keys.  (Same process as #3)
7.  Move through the pop-up as you normally would.

This doesn’t solve the issue that VO doesn’t tell you that you’re actually on a 
pop-up menu cell nor is it particularly pretty.  The 85 to 90 pixels right may 
change depending on the width of your cells but this appears to work for a 
standard width cell.  This mouse-keys stuff sometimes works in apps that the 
developer has placed custom elements in that aren’t visible to VO.  It’s a lot 
of trial and error though to actually figure out something useful for the VO 
user.  WorkGroup Manager has an entire section that is coded with some sort of 
custom element and I need to mouse-keys down 250 or so then left or right about 
140 (or some other numbers I’ve had to determine) to activate specific 
preference panes for managing MacOS clients.  This is a huge pain for me, has 
been this way since the start of VO in Tiger and Apple has yet to address it as 
far as I know.  It’s especially frustrating when I’m interrupted and lose count 
or just lose count when my mind wanders.

Anyway, give this method a try and see if it works for you.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:37 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Just a little more info on the popup menu issue in Numbers, but still no 
> solution, unfortunately.
> 
> I got my girlfriend to check, and she says that just clicking on the cell 
> doesn't do anything. There's a little triangle or arrow below or next to the 
> cell though, and clicking on this brings up what she describes as a drop down 
> menu, rather than a popup menu. I couldn't find a way to make use of this 
> info to activate the popup menu with VoiceOver, but perhaps someone else can.
> 
> With hope,
> Nic
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Re: Splitting keyboard on an iPad

[Daniel Hawkins]

Just an idea, have a HDMI cord hooked up to the iPad so she can see it on the 
bigger tv if she have one. So she can learn the layout, as she slowly learn 
Voiceover.
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On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Ok, I think that will work ok. I'm going to talk to him tomorrow about taking 
> this iPad out of his Apple ID and setting up another one for his aunt. That 
> way, she can do whatever on her iPad without messing up his devices. 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Unfortunately, you can't move icons like that. Using Zoom you can enlarge 
>> the screen, but icons will always fill home screens to the right and down. 
>> You can move icons wherever you like on Android, but not iOS. That said, you 
>> could always just have a bunch of folders or home screens with only a few 
>> icons each.
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Alex. I am going to be helping this lady's nephew tomorrow. He's got 
>>> three different iPads, the highest of which is an iPad 3. I'm going to talk 
>>> him into giving this one to his aunt so that she can have dictation and 
>>> Siri. 
>>> 
>>> You guys with low vision correct if I'm wrong, please, but I thought that 
>>> because she's very elderly also, that we could move the icons around on the 
>>> iPad so that they would be separated and make them bigger. I even thought 
>>> about moving them so that they are in the corners of the iPad so that when 
>>> her vision gets worse she can know where they are. We can switch her to the 
>>> iPhone if we have to if she goes totally blind or pose to it. She has got 
>>> an iMac that somebody gave her, and I thought that she could use it for 
>>> looking at her pictures on her big screen. Her nephew is a computer guru, 
>>> so I'm just giving him a crash course in VoiceOver. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Either way is fine. It is the same gesture used to activate the back 
 button, so however you do that will work here. This requires Voiceover to 
 be on - if it is off, the pinch out will split the keyboard, and the pinch 
 in will join it.
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
> Hi Alex
> Excuse me for being a little dance here, but does that mean scrub from 
> top to bottom or does that mean scrub from left to right when the 
> keyboard is up?
> Gigi
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> While focused in the edit field, with the keyboard visible, do a 
>> two-finger scrub. That should toggle the keyboard's split mode.
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys
>>> I am in the process of helping someone set up an iPad free for an 
>>> elderly lady with low vision. I think she might need the feature of 
>>> splitting the keyboard so that you can use two hands to type with. I 
>>> think she may need voice over part time, and maybe later full time.  I 
>>> understand that her vision loss is progressive. DWhat is the command 
>>> for doing that?
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Gigi
>>> 
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Re: Splitting keyboard on an iPad

[Eugenia Firth]

I will mention that to her nephew. He has said more than once that money is not 
an issue here. So, he can go and get her a brand spanking new iPad with all the 
trimmings if he wants. She must be his favorite aunt because he is going all 
out here for her. She's lucky. 

Gigi 

On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
wrote:

> Just an idea, have a HDMI cord hooked up to the iPad so she can see it on the 
> bigger tv if she have one. So she can learn the layout, as she slowly learn 
> Voiceover.
> Daniel Hawkins
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> 
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> 2.3 Quad-core i7
> 4GB DDR3
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> 
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> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, I think that will work ok. I'm going to talk to him tomorrow about 
>> taking this iPad out of his Apple ID and setting up another one for his 
>> aunt. That way, she can do whatever on her iPad without messing up his 
>> devices. 
>> 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Unfortunately, you can't move icons like that. Using Zoom you can enlarge 
>>> the screen, but icons will always fill home screens to the right and down. 
>>> You can move icons wherever you like on Android, but not iOS. That said, 
>>> you could always just have a bunch of folders or home screens with only a 
>>> few icons each.
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks Alex. I am going to be helping this lady's nephew tomorrow. He's 
 got three different iPads, the highest of which is an iPad 3. I'm going to 
 talk him into giving this one to his aunt so that she can have dictation 
 and Siri. 
 
 You guys with low vision correct if I'm wrong, please, but I thought that 
 because she's very elderly also, that we could move the icons around on 
 the iPad so that they would be separated and make them bigger. I even 
 thought about moving them so that they are in the corners of the iPad so 
 that when her vision gets worse she can know where they are. We can switch 
 her to the iPhone if we have to if she goes totally blind or pose to it. 
 She has got an iMac that somebody gave her, and I thought that she could 
 use it for looking at her pictures on her big screen. Her nephew is a 
 computer guru, so I'm just giving him a crash course in VoiceOver. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Either way is fine. It is the same gesture used to activate the back 
> button, so however you do that will work here. This requires Voiceover to 
> be on - if it is off, the pinch out will split the keyboard, and the 
> pinch in will join it.
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex
>> Excuse me for being a little dance here, but does that mean scrub from 
>> top to bottom or does that mean scrub from left to right when the 
>> keyboard is up?
>> Gigi
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> While focused in the edit field, with the keyboard visible, do a 
>>> two-finger scrub. That should toggle the keyboard's split mode.
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys
 I am in the process of helping someone set up an iPad free for an 
 elderly lady with low vision. I think she might need the feature of 
 splitting the keyboard so that you can use two hands to type with. I 
 think she may need voice over part time, and maybe later full time.  I 
 understand that her vision loss is progressive. DWhat is the command 
 for doing that?
 Sincerely,
 Gigi
 
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Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi April,

First thing to note is that your Windows machine will not be able to open a 
.Pages document unless you have first made it into a different format readable 
by whatever application you have on your Windows machine.  Similarly, if you 
don’t have the Pages app on a different Mac, then you won’t be able to open 
that document on the other Mac either.  On the Mac, you can set Pages to 
automatically open MSWord documents but the opposite isn’t true on Windows, 
MSWord will not open a Pages document at all.  So, for example, if you have 
MSWord on your Windows machine, then you’ll need to export your Pages document 
into Word format.  To accomplish this:

1.  Open your Pages document on your Mac.
2.  VO-m to access the menubar.
3.  VO-right to the File menu.
4.  VO-down to the Export item, which includes a sub-menu.
5.  VO-right to activate the sub-menu.
6.  VO-down to the Word option.
7.  Press return twice.

The first return brings up the Export menu in case you wish to change your mind 
on the format and the second return will bring you to the saving dialog.  The 
Export dialog has a few Unknowns in it but if you Interact with them, you will 
see what they pertain to, although you simply need to press return the second 
time if you chose the correct format from the sub-menu.  You will note that the 
filename will be the same as what you’ve named it in Pages but will have a 
.DOCX as the extension.

8.  Choose your destination from within the Save dialog and a Word document 
will be created.

This Word document can be eMailed or copied to other media and put into a 
different computer that has the Word application.  To eMail it, do the 
following:

1.  Open a new message in Mail.
2.  Adress and Subject the message.
3.  Put in any text in the message area.
4.  Press cmd-shift-a to Attach a file.
5.  Locate the file from the Attach/Open dialog and press return to attach it.

An item will be placed into your message letting you know the name of the newly 
attached file.

6.  Send it.

The recipient should receive your message with the attached Word file and as 
long as they have Word on their machine, they should be good to go.

HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:34 AM, April Brown  wrote:

> It doesn't work here.  It claims to be a potential security issue.  I have 
> screenshots saved.  No idea how to add a screen shot to a message on the 
> message board. 
> 
> Of course, I've not even had my computer for a month yet, so I may have a 
> different version of Pages.
> 
> And when I try to open a Pages document on the old Windows computer, it won't 
> open, a it is a folder and a separate document beside it.
> 
> Have to keep that, until I get all of nine months important Outlook emails 
> converted to text, and a step by step  VoiceOver guide created, so I can use 
> VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:19:32 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Sending Pages documents via eMail will send it as a .pages document just 
> fine.  I tested a few minutes ago with a Pages document from my Gmail account 
> to my work account and the document came through perfectly as a Pages 
> document which opened properly.  It should be no different for any regular 
> documents.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
>> The MIME format used to encode email attachments has no structure for 
>> folders so to attach a folder of files many email apps will zip them into a 
>> single file and then send that as an attachment. That said, a Word doc 
>> usually is one monolithic file so unless you somehow picked the containing 
>> folder rather than the exported word doc the mail app shouldn't be applying 
>> zip to your attachment. Now a pages document actually is a folder so if you 
>> somehow are attaching a Pages doc and not the converted Word version that 
>> would explain it.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 1/22/14 6:35 AM, Jessica D wrote:
>>> it is just one file.
>>> why would apple mail zip files and not tell you? i have never seen this as 
>>> an issue before.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
 
 If you have the file selected you can do a command-I to get info on the 
 file and the Size field will tell you how big it is. In general 10MB and 
 under should go through ok with most email providers. The internet 
 standards for MIME encoded attachments have no size limits but that 
 doesn't mean one service provider or another doesn't impose one. MIME also 
 adds about a third again of overhead so emailing a 3MB file will take 
 about 4MB of space, pushing you over the 10MB limit sooner. I know Outlook 
 and some other email clients have options to automatically zip attachments 
 but I was unaware of Apple Mail doing this. I have heard it will zip a 
 folder. Are you attaching the actual file or a folder

Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Eugenia Firth]

Karen, based on what I understand you are saying, you should be able to do it. 
I used to have more problems with that, but that got corrected. Now they on 
screen keyboard comes up and you can hear VoiceOver while those awful computers 
are still talking and won't shut up. I have found it sometimes to be a little 
easier to use the earphones, but that's not essential. Like I said, this used 
to be a problem, and I think that's why you were told it couldn't be easily 
done. 

Regards,
Gigi


On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a traditional 
> way using an iphone.
> here is a simple example.
> Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, 
> then an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices from a menu.
> these choices change based on information  presented.
> I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things.
> However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often with 
> changing flexibility and effortlessly?
> Thanks,
> Karen
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a simple, but important iphone question?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a 
traditional way using an iphone.

here is a simple example.
Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, 
then an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices from a menu.

these choices change based on information  presented.
I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things.
However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often with 
changing flexibility and effortlessly?

Thanks,
Karen

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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Daniel Hawkins]

Yes, you can, depends how fast you at flicking left or right, or finding the 
dial numbers. Yes, it is slightly slower than what a sighted person can do.

If you are dialing a number and you know you will have to press 1 for english, 
press 4 for your next option. You can save it to your contacts with a comma or 
two for a few second delay and add the menu number. Say for example put the 
number 8004561234,1,4 and that will choose the menu options automatically for 
you, and you don’t have to do anything.

This is how I save my bus scheduling number. I just put my bus number and put a 
comma then what ever menu option that you know you wanted. And you can do this 
with banks with your account number.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7
4GB DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
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On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a traditional 
> way using an iphone.
> here is a simple example.
> Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, 
> then an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices from a menu.
> these choices change based on information  presented.
> I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things.
> However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often with 
> changing flexibility and effortlessly?
> Thanks,
> Karen
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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi,
oh and I forgot an element, using no earphones whatsoever?
my phone is a phone, I hold it to my ear, I want the speech in my ear etc.
Thanks for your input,
it is not a matter of the computer voices not shutting up.  it is a matter 
of the iphone providing the equal of touch tone information that another 
system recognizes.

wanted to clarify since this is a 100% deal breaker for me.
I do not want to require an ear piece every time I make one of these calls 
when working between appointments.  equally I do not want my phone talking 
in a fashion where others can hear.

thanks for the wisdom.
Thoughts?
Karen

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:


Karen, based on what I understand you are saying, you should be able to do it. 
I used to have more problems with that, but that got corrected. Now they on 
screen keyboard comes up and you can hear VoiceOver while those awful computers 
are still talking and won't shut up. I have found it sometimes to be a little 
easier to use the earphones, but that's not essential. Like I said, this used 
to be a problem, and I think that's why you were told it couldn't be easily 
done.

Regards,
Gigi


On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Hi folks,
I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a traditional 
way using an iphone.
here is a simple example.
Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, then 
an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices from a menu.
these choices change based on information  presented.
I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things.
However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often with 
changing flexibility and effortlessly?
Thanks,
Karen

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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Karen Lewellen]

what sighted person?
I do this effortlessly every day, with a phone that has buttons, and new 
ones come out all the time.

there can be no saving, the choices change all the time.
Forgive my swift reply, but the us verses them thinking always blows my 
mind, as if the experience of sight loss is  two sides of the same coin.

gosh I can do this with buttons...period.
Kare

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Daniel Hawkins wrote:


Yes, you can, depends how fast you at flicking left or right, or finding the 
dial numbers. Yes, it is slightly slower than what a sighted person can do.

If you are dialing a number and you know you will have to press 1 for english, 
press 4 for your next option. You can save it to your contacts with a comma or 
two for a few second delay and add the menu number. Say for example put the 
number 8004561234,1,4 and that will choose the menu options automatically for 
you, and you don’t have to do anything.

This is how I save my bus scheduling number. I just put my bus number and put a 
comma then what ever menu option that you know you wanted. And you can do this 
with banks with your account number.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7
4GB DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit

On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Hi folks,
I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a traditional 
way using an iphone.
here is a simple example.
Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, then 
an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices from a menu.
these choices change based on information  presented.
I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things.
However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often with 
changing flexibility and effortlessly?
Thanks,
Karen

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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Ray Foret Jr]

In that case, if you don’t want any feedback from your Iphone while entering 
numbers, how can you tell where you are?  You cannot hold the Iphone to your 
ear and dial digits.  It just aint gonna happen.  IF you want privicy, 
earphones is the only way to get it for sure.  IF you don’t want that, than I 
wonder whether the Iphone is the best choice for you.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> Hi,
> oh and I forgot an element, using no earphones whatsoever?
> my phone is a phone, I hold it to my ear, I want the speech in my ear etc.
> Thanks for your input,
> it is not a matter of the computer voices not shutting up.  it is a matter of 
> the iphone providing the equal of touch tone information that another system 
> recognizes.
> wanted to clarify since this is a 100% deal breaker for me.
> I do not want to require an ear piece every time I make one of these calls 
> when working between appointments.  equally I do not want my phone talking in 
> a fashion where others can hear.
> thanks for the wisdom.
> Thoughts?
> Karen
> 
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Karen, based on what I understand you are saying, you should be able to do 
>> it. I used to have more problems with that, but that got corrected. Now they 
>> on screen keyboard comes up and you can hear VoiceOver while those awful 
>> computers are still talking and won't shut up. I have found it sometimes to 
>> be a little easier to use the earphones, but that's not essential. Like I 
>> said, this used to be a problem, and I think that's why you were told it 
>> couldn't be easily done.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a 
>>> traditional way using an iphone.
>>> here is a simple example.
>>> Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, 
>>> then an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices from a menu.
>>> these choices change based on information  presented.
>>> I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things.
>>> However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often with 
>>> changing flexibility and effortlessly?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
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Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[April Brown]

I realize I wouldn't be able to open it on my Windows machine without 
changing it.  Thanks for easy to follow directions.

However, I still couldn't email  Pages document to my husband's Mac, same 
age as mine, under a month old.  In fact, the email wouldn't send because 
it thought the document was a suspicious file.  Maybe some setting is set 
wrong.  I don't know.  I just know Pages and Numbers documents cannot be 
attached to email on either of our Macs.

On Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:04:42 AM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>
> Hi April,
>
> First thing to note is that your Windows machine will not be able to open 
> a .Pages document unless you have first made it into a different format 
> readable by whatever application you have on your Windows machine. 
>  Similarly, if you don’t have the Pages app on a different Mac, then you 
> won’t be able to open that document on the other Mac either.  On the Mac, 
> you can set Pages to automatically open MSWord documents but the opposite 
> isn’t true on Windows, MSWord will not open a Pages document at all.  So, 
> for example, if you have MSWord on your Windows machine, then you’ll need 
> to export your Pages document into Word format.  To accomplish this:
>
> 1.  Open your Pages document on your Mac.
> 2.  VO-m to access the menubar.
> 3.  VO-right to the File menu.
> 4.  VO-down to the Export item, which includes a sub-menu.
> 5.  VO-right to activate the sub-menu.
> 6.  VO-down to the Word option.
> 7.  Press return twice.
>
> The first return brings up the Export menu in case you wish to change your 
> mind on the format and the second return will bring you to the saving 
> dialog.  The Export dialog has a few Unknowns in it but if you Interact 
> with them, you will see what they pertain to, although you simply need to 
> press return the second time if you chose the correct format from the 
> sub-menu.  You will note that the filename will be the same as what you’ve 
> named it in Pages but will have a .DOCX as the extension.
>
> 8.  Choose your destination from within the Save dialog and a Word 
> document will be created.
>
> This Word document can be eMailed or copied to other media and put into a 
> different computer that has the Word application.  To eMail it, do the 
> following:
>
> 1.  Open a new message in Mail.
> 2.  Adress and Subject the message.
> 3.  Put in any text in the message area.
> 4.  Press cmd-shift-a to Attach a file.
> 5.  Locate the file from the Attach/Open dialog and press return to attach 
> it.
>
> An item will be placed into your message letting you know the name of the 
> newly attached file.
>
> 6.  Send it.
>
> The recipient should receive your message with the attached Word file and 
> as long as they have Word on their machine, they should be good to go.
>
> HTH.
>
> Later…
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:34 AM, April Brown > 
> wrote:
>
> It doesn't work here.  It claims to be a potential security issue.  I have 
> screenshots saved.  No idea how to add a screen shot to a message on the 
> message board. 
>
> Of course, I've not even had my computer for a month yet, so I may have a 
> different version of Pages.
>
> And when I try to open a Pages document on the old Windows computer, it 
> won't open, a it is a folder and a separate document beside it.
>
> Have to keep that, until I get all of nine months important Outlook emails 
> converted to text, and a step by step  VoiceOver guide created, so I can 
> use VoiceOver.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:19:32 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sending Pages documents via eMail will send it as a .pages document just 
>> fine.  I tested a few minutes ago with a Pages document from my Gmail 
>> account to my work account and the document came through perfectly as a 
>> Pages document which opened properly.  It should be no different for any 
>> regular documents.
>>
>> Later…
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>  
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>
>> The MIME format used to encode email attachments has no structure for 
>> folders so to attach a folder of files many email apps will zip them into a 
>> single file and then send that as an attachment. That said, a Word doc 
>> usually is one monolithic file so unless you somehow picked the containing 
>> folder rather than the exported word doc the mail app shouldn't be applying 
>> zip to your attachment. Now a pages document actually is a folder so if you 
>> somehow are attaching a Pages doc and not the converted Word version that 
>> would explain it.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 1/22/14 6:35 AM, Jessica D wrote:
>>
>> it is just one file.
>> why would apple mail zip files and not tell you? i have never seen this 
>> as an issue before.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>
>> If you have the file selected you can do a command-I to get info on the 
>> file and the Size field will tell yo

Re: documentation on braille displays

[erik burggraaf]

Hi, Display specific documentation is available in the apple knowledgebace for 
some displays and in the manual for other displays, and not at all for still 
other displays.  Good luck and happy googling.


Erik Burggraaf
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2014-01-22, at 9:05 PM, "Scott B."  wrote:

> Hey guys,
> 
> Is there speciic documentation on particular Braille displays for Mavericks?  
> I want to know how the whiz wheels and such are used in Maverick on a Focus 
> 40 braill?
> 
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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Eugenia Firth]

Yes, and the commas you put before those extra numbers the longer the iPhone 
waits before putting in the number. This will not work well for you if those 
first extra numbers keep changing, unless you put in a separate contact named 
so that you can tell which one you have. For example, Dallas Area Rapid Transit 
has an option on their computer called Where's My Ride? I put in a separate 
contact and deliberately named it Where's My Ride? instead of calling it Dallas 
Area Rapid Transit. I hope this makes sense. I did this because the options for 
calling up that particular choice was different from the scheduling choice; 
sometimes I want scheduling and sometimes I want to check on the ride. Also, I 
had to do it over traffic and other noises, and their awful computer kept 
responding to any noise it heard. 

Gigi

On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
wrote:

> Yes, you can, depends how fast you at flicking left or right, or finding the 
> dial numbers. Yes, it is slightly slower than what a sighted person can do.
> 
> If you are dialing a number and you know you will have to press 1 for 
> english, press 4 for your next option. You can save it to your contacts with 
> a comma or two for a few second delay and add the menu number. Say for 
> example put the number 8004561234,1,4 and that will choose the menu options 
> automatically for you, and you don’t have to do anything.
> 
> This is how I save my bus scheduling number. I just put my bus number and put 
> a comma then what ever menu option that you know you wanted. And you can do 
> this with banks with your account number.
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
> 
> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
> 2.3 Quad-core i7
> 4GB DDR3
> 500GB HDD
> 
> Dual Boot:
> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a traditional 
>> way using an iphone.
>> here is a simple example.
>> Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, 
>> then an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices from a menu.
>> these choices change based on information  presented.
>> I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things.
>> However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often with 
>> changing flexibility and effortlessly?
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Karen Lewellen]

then the answer for me,  is no.  which is why I asked.  As expressed I 
read in many 
places that the simplicity of making effortless phone calls is not what one 
does with an iphone.
 I want feedback, but at my ear like other phones I use, have used.   if 
the iphone does not provide this feedback to me and only to me, then I 
will just skip it.

Thanks for your perspective.
Kare

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Ray For et Jr wrote:


In that case, if you don’t want any feedback from your Iphone while entering 
numbers, how can you tell where you are?  You cannot hold the Iphone to your 
ear and dial digits.  It just aint gonna happen.  IF you want privicy, 
earphones is the only way to get it for sure.  IF you don’t want that, than I 
wonder whether the Iphone is the best choice for you.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Hi,
oh and I forgot an element, using no earphones whatsoever?
my phone is a phone, I hold it to my ear, I want the speech in my ear etc.
Thanks for your input,
it is not a matter of the computer voices not shutting up.  it is a matter of 
the iphone providing the equal of touch tone information that another system 
recognizes.
wanted to clarify since this is a 100% deal breaker for me.
I do not want to require an ear piece every time I make one of these calls when 
working between appointments.  equally I do not want my phone talking in a 
fashion where others can hear.
thanks for the wisdom.
Thoughts?
Karen

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:


Karen, based on what I understand you are saying, you should be able to do it. 
I used to have more problems with that, but that got corrected. Now they on 
screen keyboard comes up and you can hear VoiceOver while those awful computers 
are still talking and won't shut up. I have found it sometimes to be a little 
easier to use the earphones, but that's not essential. Like I said, this used 
to be a problem, and I think that's why you were told it couldn't be easily 
done.

Regards,
Gigi


On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Hi folks,
I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a traditional 
way using an iphone.
here is a simple example.
Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, then 
an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices from a menu.
these choices change based on information  presented.
I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things.
However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often with 
changing flexibility and effortlessly?
Thanks,
Karen

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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Karen Lewellen]

makes perfect sense.
for me though, there are just too many times places, extensions and so 
forth for this to  be reasonable.
I run both a production company and a media nonprofit.  There are places 
people etc. I may only call once, that I may only visit once etc.
My desire is taking out my phone dialing a call responding to what 
is needful  and getting on with my day.  and indeed because of traffic, 
other people near me,  and the like I want the exchange to be between me 
and my phone not me my phone and a bunch of strangers.  same goes 
for listening to text messages and sending them.
There are phones that allow for this, lg just issued a new one late last 
fall its a 447.
I am in a circumstance where I can have whatever phone I said i wanted, 
including any iphone from my provider for free just now.  I had voted down an 
iphone before, but wanted to check if anything on this front was 
better...unfortunately it is not.
Thanks for your wisdom, I appreciate learning what I cannot do as much as 
what I can.


Kare

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:


Yes, and the commas you put before those extra numbers the longer the iPhone 
waits before putting in the number. This will not work well for you if those 
first extra numbers keep changing, unless you put in a separate contact named 
so that you can tell which one you have. For example, Dallas Area Rapid Transit 
has an option on their computer called Where's My Ride? I put in a separate 
contact and deliberately named it Where's My Ride? instead of calling it Dallas 
Area Rapid Transit. I hope this makes sense. I did this because the options for 
calling up that particular choice was different from the scheduling choice; 
sometimes I want scheduling and sometimes I want to check on the ride. Also, I 
had to do it over traffic and other noises, and their awful computer kept 
responding to any noise it heard.

Gigi

On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
wrote:


Yes, you can, depends how fast you at flicking left or right, or finding the 
dial numbers. Yes, it is slightly slower than what a sighted person can do.

If you are dialing a number and you know you will have to press 1 for english, 
press 4 for your next option. You can save it to your contacts with a comma or 
two for a few second delay and add the menu number. Say for example put the 
number 8004561234,1,4 and that will choose the menu options automatically for 
you, and you don’t have to do anything.

This is how I save my bus scheduling number. I just put my bus number and put a 
comma then what ever menu option that you know you wanted. And you can do this 
with banks with your account number.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7
4GB DDR3
500GB HDD

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On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Hi folks,
I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a traditional 
way using an iphone.
here is a simple example.
Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, then 
an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices from a menu.
these choices change based on information  presented.
I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things.
However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often with 
changing flexibility and effortlessly?
Thanks,
Karen

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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Alex Hall]

Sorry, but I'm confused now. If you want to manage text messages and do other 
tasks on any phone, and you can't see the screen, you are going to use speech 
or braille no matter the platform. Given that, why not either use the earbuds 
your phone comes with, or invest in bluetooth headphones to have wireless, 
private speech? This would fix all your problems. Additionally, sighted people 
are no better off when dialing menu options. The iPhone must be in speaker mode 
(lowered from the ear) to accept input, so sighted or blind, everyone has to 
switch to speaker long enough to touch the button(s) they want. The only 
difference is that people will hear which buttons you press, unless you turn 
speech off and are good at finding the proper buttons by clicks alone. Also, 
the way the iPhones are designed, covering the speaker with your finger or 
thumb muffles it quite nicely. I now automatically do that when I lower the 
phone no matter what I'm doing, and it works well. Having phones talk and 
switch to speaker is more commonplace now, with the advent of the buttonless 
smartphone, and I really think it will be much less of an issue than you 
imagine. I was hung up on the same thing as you when I considered switching, 
but I don't even think about it anymore. I keep headphones with me (either 
earbuds or my bluetooth ones), and they work perfectly. They also offer other 
advantages, like issuing commands to Siri without needing to touch my phone at 
all, or answering/hanging up calls from the headphones alone.
On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> makes perfect sense.
> for me though, there are just too many times places, extensions and so forth 
> for this to  be reasonable.
> I run both a production company and a media nonprofit.  There are places 
> people etc. I may only call once, that I may only visit once etc.
> My desire is taking out my phone dialing a call responding to what is needful 
>  and getting on with my day.  and indeed because of traffic, other people 
> near me,  and the like I want the exchange to be between me and my phone not 
> me my phone and a bunch of strangers.  same goes for listening to text 
> messages and sending them.
> There are phones that allow for this, lg just issued a new one late last fall 
> its a 447.
> I am in a circumstance where I can have whatever phone I said i wanted, 
> including any iphone from my provider for free just now.  I had voted down an 
> iphone before, but wanted to check if anything on this front was 
> better...unfortunately it is not.
> Thanks for your wisdom, I appreciate learning what I cannot do as much as 
> what I can.
> 
> Kare
> 
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Yes, and the commas you put before those extra numbers the longer the iPhone 
>> waits before putting in the number. This will not work well for you if those 
>> first extra numbers keep changing, unless you put in a separate contact 
>> named so that you can tell which one you have. For example, Dallas Area 
>> Rapid Transit has an option on their computer called Where's My Ride? I put 
>> in a separate contact and deliberately named it Where's My Ride? instead of 
>> calling it Dallas Area Rapid Transit. I hope this makes sense. I did this 
>> because the options for calling up that particular choice was different from 
>> the scheduling choice; sometimes I want scheduling and sometimes I want to 
>> check on the ride. Also, I had to do it over traffic and other noises, and 
>> their awful computer kept responding to any noise it heard.
>> 
>> Gigi
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, you can, depends how fast you at flicking left or right, or finding 
>>> the dial numbers. Yes, it is slightly slower than what a sighted person can 
>>> do.
>>> 
>>> If you are dialing a number and you know you will have to press 1 for 
>>> english, press 4 for your next option. You can save it to your contacts 
>>> with a comma or two for a few second delay and add the menu number. Say for 
>>> example put the number 8004561234,1,4 and that will choose the menu options 
>>> automatically for you, and you don’t have to do anything.
>>> 
>>> This is how I save my bus scheduling number. I just put my bus number and 
>>> put a comma then what ever menu option that you know you wanted. And you 
>>> can do this with banks with your account number.
>>> Daniel Hawkins
>>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>>> 
>>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>>> 4GB DDR3
>>> 500GB HDD
>>> 
>>> Dual Boot:
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi folks,
 I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a 
 traditional way using an iphone.
 here is a simple example.
 Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, 
 then an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices from a menu.
 these 

using the mail pilot app?

[Justin Mann]

Hi Everyohe,

Has anybody had any experience using the mail pilot app that is available in 
the App store?  It seems to be reasonably accessible, but does appear to have a 
few quirks, for instance to view received messages, you have to VO-j to an html 
content area, and then interact with a frame0.  I’m thinking that using some 
kind of a hotspot should resolve that issue with no problem.  I was curious if 
anybody else has tried this app, and could offer any suggestions?
Thanks,
Justin

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Re: Splitting keyboard on an iPad

[Alex Hall]

HDMI is a good idea, but why not go wireless? Get an Apple TV, and Airplay the 
iPad to the big screen (you'll need to check on the iPad models that can do 
this, but I think the 3 can). No wires, and the Apple TV can be useful in and 
of itself. Or, I think there are apps that let Mac computers emulate Airplay 
receivers, letting you mirror your iPad to the iMac. Just something to think 
about.
On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> I will mention that to her nephew. He has said more than once that money is 
> not an issue here. So, he can go and get her a brand spanking new iPad with 
> all the trimmings if he wants. She must be his favorite aunt because he is 
> going all out here for her. She's lucky. 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
>> Just an idea, have a HDMI cord hooked up to the iPad so she can see it on 
>> the bigger tv if she have one. So she can learn the layout, as she slowly 
>> learn Voiceover.
>> Daniel Hawkins
>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>> 4GB DDR3
>> 500GB HDD
>> 
>> Dual Boot:
>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, I think that will work ok. I'm going to talk to him tomorrow about 
>>> taking this iPad out of his Apple ID and setting up another one for his 
>>> aunt. That way, she can do whatever on her iPad without messing up his 
>>> devices. 
>>> 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Unfortunately, you can't move icons like that. Using Zoom you can enlarge 
 the screen, but icons will always fill home screens to the right and down. 
 You can move icons wherever you like on Android, but not iOS. That said, 
 you could always just have a bunch of folders or home screens with only a 
 few icons each.
 On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
> Thanks Alex. I am going to be helping this lady's nephew tomorrow. He's 
> got three different iPads, the highest of which is an iPad 3. I'm going 
> to talk him into giving this one to his aunt so that she can have 
> dictation and Siri. 
> 
> You guys with low vision correct if I'm wrong, please, but I thought that 
> because she's very elderly also, that we could move the icons around on 
> the iPad so that they would be separated and make them bigger. I even 
> thought about moving them so that they are in the corners of the iPad so 
> that when her vision gets worse she can know where they are. We can 
> switch her to the iPhone if we have to if she goes totally blind or pose 
> to it. She has got an iMac that somebody gave her, and I thought that she 
> could use it for looking at her pictures on her big screen. Her nephew is 
> a computer guru, so I'm just giving him a crash course in VoiceOver. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Either way is fine. It is the same gesture used to activate the back 
>> button, so however you do that will work here. This requires Voiceover 
>> to be on - if it is off, the pinch out will split the keyboard, and the 
>> pinch in will join it.
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex
>>> Excuse me for being a little dance here, but does that mean scrub from 
>>> top to bottom or does that mean scrub from left to right when the 
>>> keyboard is up?
>>> Gigi
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 While focused in the edit field, with the keyboard visible, do a 
 two-finger scrub. That should toggle the keyboard's split mode.
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
> Hi guys
> I am in the process of helping someone set up an iPad free for an 
> elderly lady with low vision. I think she might need the feature of 
> splitting the keyboard so that you can use two hands to type with. I 
> think she may need voice over part time, and maybe later full time.  
> I understand that her vision loss is progressive. DWhat is the 
> command for doing that?
> Sincerely,
> Gigi
> 
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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Robert C]

Karen,
   Does putting the keypad into touch typing mode help any?

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels good.
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On 1/23/2014 8:26 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi,
oh and I forgot an element, using no earphones whatsoever?
my phone is a phone, I hold it to my ear, I want the speech in my ear etc.
Thanks for your input,
it is not a matter of the computer voices not shutting up.  it is a
matter of the iphone providing the equal of touch tone information that
another system recognizes.
wanted to clarify since this is a 100% deal breaker for me.
I do not want to require an ear piece every time I make one of these
calls when working between appointments.  equally I do not want my phone
talking in a fashion where others can hear.
thanks for the wisdom.
Thoughts?
Karen

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:


Karen, based on what I understand you are saying, you should be able
to do it. I used to have more problems with that, but that got
corrected. Now they on screen keyboard comes up and you can hear
VoiceOver while those awful computers are still talking and won't shut
up. I have found it sometimes to be a little easier to use the
earphones, but that's not essential. Like I said, this used to be a
problem, and I think that's why you were told it couldn't be easily done.

Regards,
Gigi


On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen
 wrote:


Hi folks,
I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a
traditional way using an iphone.
here is a simple example.
Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user
number, then an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices
from a menu.
these choices change based on information  presented.
I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things.
However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often
with changing flexibility and effortlessly?
Thanks,
Karen

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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Karen Lewellen]

granted you can control many phones  from a text message standpoint voice 
if needful.   I am not a texter in general sending, but some do choose to 
send them to me.   Still as 
expressed,  it is logistics thing.  I hate ear buds, they never stay in my 
ear,  I am not wearing your head lol.
Still if I can do what I wish faster just by pressing real buttons, then 
that may  be better for me.

Perhaps it too is a girl thing.
I am  standing on the sidewalk in a dress and heels  fiddling with m 
my phone advertising 
to  anyone...hey,  look at that person who likely cannot see you playing 
with 
that really expensive phone! wanna go bug her? smiles.
The nice thing is  hat we both have choices and can individually meet 
those 
choices and preferences as we desire.  no us  verses them thinking 
required.

To contribute some information of possible interest.
In Canada,
www.wirelessaccessability.ca
In the states,
www.mobileaccessability.org
I believe.
Both have detailed search engines where one can choose the specific 
features that fit your individual lifestyle.
in my case there are 32 phones that I can try,  I just wanted to ask about 
the iphone because I am here.


Kare

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote:


Sorry, but I'm confused now. If you want to manage text messages and do other 
tasks on any phone, and you can't see the screen, you are going to use speech 
or braille no matter the platform. Given that, why not either use the earbuds 
your phone comes with, or invest in bluetooth headphones to have wireless, 
private speech? This would fix all your problems. Additionally, sighted people 
are no better off when dialing menu options. The iPhone must be in speaker mode 
(lowered from the ear) to accept input, so sighted or blind, everyone has to 
switch to speaker long enough to touch the button(s) they want. The only 
difference is that people will hear which buttons you press, unless you turn 
speech off and are good at finding the proper buttons by clicks alone. Also, 
the way the iPhones are designed, covering the speaker with your finger or 
thumb muffles it quite nicely. I now automatically do that when I lower the 
phone no matter what I'm doing, and it works well. Having phones talk and 
switch to speaker is more commonplace now, with the advent of the buttonless 
smartphone, and I really think it will be much less of an issue than you 
imagine. I was hung up on the same thing as you when I considered switching, 
but I don't even think about it anymore. I keep headphones with me (either 
earbuds or my bluetooth ones), and they work perfectly. They also offer other 
advantages, like issuing commands to Siri without needing to touch my phone at 
all, or answering/hanging up calls from the headphones alone.
On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


makes perfect sense.
for me though, there are just too many times places, extensions and so forth 
for this to  be reasonable.
I run both a production company and a media nonprofit.  There are places people 
etc. I may only call once, that I may only visit once etc.
My desire is taking out my phone dialing a call responding to what is needful  
and getting on with my day.  and indeed because of traffic, other people near 
me,  and the like I want the exchange to be between me and my phone not me my 
phone and a bunch of strangers.  same goes for listening to text messages and 
sending them.
There are phones that allow for this, lg just issued a new one late last fall 
its a 447.
I am in a circumstance where I can have whatever phone I said i wanted, 
including any iphone from my provider for free just now.  I had voted down an 
iphone before, but wanted to check if anything on this front was 
better...unfortunately it is not.
Thanks for your wisdom, I appreciate learning what I cannot do as much as what 
I can.

Kare

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:


Yes, and the commas you put before those extra numbers the longer the iPhone 
waits before putting in the number. This will not work well for you if those 
first extra numbers keep changing, unless you put in a separate contact named 
so that you can tell which one you have. For example, Dallas Area Rapid Transit 
has an option on their computer called Where's My Ride? I put in a separate 
contact and deliberately named it Where's My Ride? instead of calling it Dallas 
Area Rapid Transit. I hope this makes sense. I did this because the options for 
calling up that particular choice was different from the scheduling choice; 
sometimes I want scheduling and sometimes I want to check on the ride. Also, I 
had to do it over traffic and other noises, and their awful computer kept 
responding to any noise it heard.

Gigi

On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
wrote:


Yes, you can, depends how fast you at flicking left or right, or finding the 
dial numbers. Yes, it is slightly slower than what a sighted person can do.

If you are dialing a number and you know you will have to press

Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Karen Lewellen]

I have no idea as I do not own the phone.
which models does this option exist on?  I can check, even if just for 
kicks.

smiling at your tag line.
Kare


On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Robert C wrote:


Karen,
   Does putting the keypad into touch typing mode help any?

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels good.
Robert & Dreamer Doll  ke7nwn
E-mail-
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On 1/23/2014 8:26 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Hi,
 oh and I forgot an element, using no earphones whatsoever?
 my phone is a phone, I hold it to my ear, I want the speech in my ear etc.
 Thanks for your input,
 it is not a matter of the computer voices not shutting up.  it is a
 matter of the iphone providing the equal of touch tone information that
 another system recognizes.
 wanted to clarify since this is a 100% deal breaker for me.
 I do not want to require an ear piece every time I make one of these
 calls when working between appointments.  equally I do not want my phone
 talking in a fashion where others can hear.
 thanks for the wisdom.
 Thoughts?
 Karen

 On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:

>  Karen, based on what I understand you are saying, you should be able
>  to do it. I used to have more problems with that, but that got
>  corrected. Now they on screen keyboard comes up and you can hear
>  VoiceOver while those awful computers are still talking and won't shut
>  up. I have found it sometimes to be a little easier to use the
>  earphones, but that's not essential. Like I said, this used to be a
>  problem, and I think that's why you were told it couldn't be easily 
>  done.
> 
>  Regards,

>  Gigi
> 
> 
>  On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen

>   wrote:
> 
> >  Hi folks,

> >  I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a
> >  traditional way using an iphone.
> >  here is a simple example.
> >  Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user
> >  number, then an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices
> >  from a menu.
> >  these choices change based on information  presented.
> >  I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different 
> >  things.

> >  However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often
> >  with changing flexibility and effortlessly?
> >  Thanks,
> >  Karen
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Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[Daniel Hawkins]

April,

Oh! You mean sending via email. Yes, since the new iWork update, Gmail won’t 
reconize the new file format. Gmail have not updated yet, so it see it as a 
security threat.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7
4GB DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit

On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:51 AM, April Brown  wrote:

> I realize I wouldn't be able to open it on my Windows machine without 
> changing it.  Thanks for easy to follow directions.
> 
> However, I still couldn't email  Pages document to my husband's Mac, same age 
> as mine, under a month old.  In fact, the email wouldn't send because it 
> thought the document was a suspicious file.  Maybe some setting is set wrong. 
>  I don't know.  I just know Pages and Numbers documents cannot be attached to 
> email on either of our Macs.
> 
> On Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:04:42 AM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi April,
> 
> First thing to note is that your Windows machine will not be able to open a 
> .Pages document unless you have first made it into a different format 
> readable by whatever application you have on your Windows machine.  
> Similarly, if you don’t have the Pages app on a different Mac, then you won’t 
> be able to open that document on the other Mac either.  On the Mac, you can 
> set Pages to automatically open MSWord documents but the opposite isn’t true 
> on Windows, MSWord will not open a Pages document at all.  So, for example, 
> if you have MSWord on your Windows machine, then you’ll need to export your 
> Pages document into Word format.  To accomplish this:
> 
> 1.  Open your Pages document on your Mac.
> 2.  VO-m to access the menubar.
> 3.  VO-right to the File menu.
> 4.  VO-down to the Export item, which includes a sub-menu.
> 5.  VO-right to activate the sub-menu.
> 6.  VO-down to the Word option.
> 7.  Press return twice.
> 
> The first return brings up the Export menu in case you wish to change your 
> mind on the format and the second return will bring you to the saving dialog. 
>  The Export dialog has a few Unknowns in it but if you Interact with them, 
> you will see what they pertain to, although you simply need to press return 
> the second time if you chose the correct format from the sub-menu.  You will 
> note that the filename will be the same as what you’ve named it in Pages but 
> will have a .DOCX as the extension.
> 
> 8.  Choose your destination from within the Save dialog and a Word document 
> will be created.
> 
> This Word document can be eMailed or copied to other media and put into a 
> different computer that has the Word application.  To eMail it, do the 
> following:
> 
> 1.  Open a new message in Mail.
> 2.  Adress and Subject the message.
> 3.  Put in any text in the message area.
> 4.  Press cmd-shift-a to Attach a file.
> 5.  Locate the file from the Attach/Open dialog and press return to attach it.
> 
> An item will be placed into your message letting you know the name of the 
> newly attached file.
> 
> 6.  Send it.
> 
> The recipient should receive your message with the attached Word file and as 
> long as they have Word on their machine, they should be good to go.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:34 AM, April Brown  wrote:
> 
>> It doesn't work here.  It claims to be a potential security issue.  I have 
>> screenshots saved.  No idea how to add a screen shot to a message on the 
>> message board. 
>> 
>> Of course, I've not even had my computer for a month yet, so I may have a 
>> different version of Pages.
>> 
>> And when I try to open a Pages document on the old Windows computer, it 
>> won't open, a it is a folder and a separate document beside it.
>> 
>> Have to keep that, until I get all of nine months important Outlook emails 
>> converted to text, and a step by step  VoiceOver guide created, so I can use 
>> VoiceOver.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:19:32 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Sending Pages documents via eMail will send it as a .pages document just 
>> fine.  I tested a few minutes ago with a Pages document from my Gmail 
>> account to my work account and the document came through perfectly as a 
>> Pages document which opened properly.  It should be no different for any 
>> regular documents.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>>> The MIME format used to encode email attachments has no structure for 
>>> folders so to attach a folder of files many email apps will zip them into a 
>>> single file and then send that as an attachment. That said, a Word doc 
>>> usually is one monolithic file so unless you somehow picked the containing 
>>> folder rather than the exported word doc the mail app shouldn't be applying 
>>> zip to your attachment. Now a pages document actually is a folder so if you 
>>> somehow are attaching a Pages doc and no

Re: Splitting keyboard on an iPad

[Daniel Hawkins]

Alex,

Can you airplay the home screen and every single app on the iPad? That’s why I 
said HDMI, in that way, everything on the iPad or iPhone can be displayed on 
the bigscreen.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7
4GB DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit

On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> HDMI is a good idea, but why not go wireless? Get an Apple TV, and Airplay 
> the iPad to the big screen (you'll need to check on the iPad models that can 
> do this, but I think the 3 can). No wires, and the Apple TV can be useful in 
> and of itself. Or, I think there are apps that let Mac computers emulate 
> Airplay receivers, letting you mirror your iPad to the iMac. Just something 
> to think about.
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> I will mention that to her nephew. He has said more than once that money is 
>> not an issue here. So, he can go and get her a brand spanking new iPad with 
>> all the trimmings if he wants. She must be his favorite aunt because he is 
>> going all out here for her. She's lucky. 
>> 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just an idea, have a HDMI cord hooked up to the iPad so she can see it on 
>>> the bigger tv if she have one. So she can learn the layout, as she slowly 
>>> learn Voiceover.
>>> Daniel Hawkins
>>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>>> 
>>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>>> 4GB DDR3
>>> 500GB HDD
>>> 
>>> Dual Boot:
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, I think that will work ok. I'm going to talk to him tomorrow about 
 taking this iPad out of his Apple ID and setting up another one for his 
 aunt. That way, she can do whatever on her iPad without messing up his 
 devices. 
 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Unfortunately, you can't move icons like that. Using Zoom you can enlarge 
> the screen, but icons will always fill home screens to the right and 
> down. You can move icons wherever you like on Android, but not iOS. That 
> said, you could always just have a bunch of folders or home screens with 
> only a few icons each.
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Alex. I am going to be helping this lady's nephew tomorrow. He's 
>> got three different iPads, the highest of which is an iPad 3. I'm going 
>> to talk him into giving this one to his aunt so that she can have 
>> dictation and Siri. 
>> 
>> You guys with low vision correct if I'm wrong, please, but I thought 
>> that because she's very elderly also, that we could move the icons 
>> around on the iPad so that they would be separated and make them bigger. 
>> I even thought about moving them so that they are in the corners of the 
>> iPad so that when her vision gets worse she can know where they are. We 
>> can switch her to the iPhone if we have to if she goes totally blind or 
>> pose to it. She has got an iMac that somebody gave her, and I thought 
>> that she could use it for looking at her pictures on her big screen. Her 
>> nephew is a computer guru, so I'm just giving him a crash course in 
>> VoiceOver. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Either way is fine. It is the same gesture used to activate the back 
>>> button, so however you do that will work here. This requires Voiceover 
>>> to be on - if it is off, the pinch out will split the keyboard, and the 
>>> pinch in will join it.
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex
 Excuse me for being a little dance here, but does that mean scrub from 
 top to bottom or does that mean scrub from left to right when the 
 keyboard is up?
 Gigi
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> While focused in the edit field, with the keyboard visible, do a 
> two-finger scrub. That should toggle the keyboard's split mode.
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys
>> I am in the process of helping someone set up an iPad free for an 
>> elderly lady with low vision. I think she might need the feature of 
>> splitting the keyboard so that you can use two hands to type with. I 
>> think she may need voice over part time, and maybe later full time.  
>> I understand that her vision loss is progressive. DWhat is the 
>> command for doing that?
>> Sincerely,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Robert C]

Karen,
   Its a Voiceover feature, accessed by using the rotor when in an edit 
field or the keypad. If you can try it, then you can judge whethger it 
will work for you or not. Its quicker than standard typing.


   Keep watching those tage, I have many. LOL

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
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On 1/23/2014 9:59 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

I have no idea as I do not own the phone.
which models does this option exist on?  I can check, even if just for
kicks.
smiling at your tag line.
Kare


On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Robert C wrote:


Karen,
   Does putting the keypad into touch typing mode help any?

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels good.
Robert & Dreamer Doll  ke7nwn
E-mail-
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On 1/23/2014 8:26 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Hi,
 oh and I forgot an element, using no earphones whatsoever?
 my phone is a phone, I hold it to my ear, I want the speech in my
ear etc.
 Thanks for your input,
 it is not a matter of the computer voices not shutting up.  it is a
 matter of the iphone providing the equal of touch tone information that
 another system recognizes.
 wanted to clarify since this is a 100% deal breaker for me.
 I do not want to require an ear piece every time I make one of these
 calls when working between appointments.  equally I do not want my
phone
 talking in a fashion where others can hear.
 thanks for the wisdom.
 Thoughts?
 Karen

 On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:

>  Karen, based on what I understand you are saying, you should be able
>  to do it. I used to have more problems with that, but that got
>  corrected. Now they on screen keyboard comes up and you can hear
>  VoiceOver while those awful computers are still talking and won't
shut
>  up. I have found it sometimes to be a little easier to use the
>  earphones, but that's not essential. Like I said, this used to be a
>  problem, and I think that's why you were told it couldn't be
easily >  done.
> >  Regards,
>  Gigi
> > >  On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen
>   wrote:
> > >  Hi folks,
> >  I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a
> >  traditional way using an iphone.
> >  here is a simple example.
> >  Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user
> >  number, then an  a password.  you then must make a series of
choices
> >  from a menu.
> >  these choices change based on information  presented.
> >  I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different
> >  things.
> >  However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done
often
> >  with changing flexibility and effortlessly?
> >  Thanks,
> >  Karen
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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Eugenia Firth]

Ok, then you will want to use those earphones. I do have some After Shocks ear 
phones that are bone conduction; you can use Siri with them or answer calls. 
You can do that with the Apple earphones as well. 

If you are able, you can get a braille display (and they make some little ones) 
to pair with an iPhone so that you can type and read all the text messages you 
want quietly and tell the speech to shut up. No phone is going to let us do 
anything quietly unless we can use large print or a braille display. 

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On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> makes perfect sense.
> for me though, there are just too many times places, extensions and so forth 
> for this to  be reasonable.
> I run both a production company and a media nonprofit.  There are places 
> people etc. I may only call once, that I may only visit once etc.
> My desire is taking out my phone dialing a call responding to what is needful 
>  and getting on with my day.  and indeed because of traffic, other people 
> near me,  and the like I want the exchange to be between me and my phone not 
> me my phone and a bunch of strangers.  same goes for listening to text 
> messages and sending them.
> There are phones that allow for this, lg just issued a new one late last fall 
> its a 447.
> I am in a circumstance where I can have whatever phone I said i wanted, 
> including any iphone from my provider for free just now.  I had voted down an 
> iphone before, but wanted to check if anything on this front was 
> better...unfortunately it is not.
> Thanks for your wisdom, I appreciate learning what I cannot do as much as 
> what I can.
> 
> Kare
> 
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Yes, and the commas you put before those extra numbers the longer the iPhone 
>> waits before putting in the number. This will not work well for you if those 
>> first extra numbers keep changing, unless you put in a separate contact 
>> named so that you can tell which one you have. For example, Dallas Area 
>> Rapid Transit has an option on their computer called Where's My Ride? I put 
>> in a separate contact and deliberately named it Where's My Ride? instead of 
>> calling it Dallas Area Rapid Transit. I hope this makes sense. I did this 
>> because the options for calling up that particular choice was different from 
>> the scheduling choice; sometimes I want scheduling and sometimes I want to 
>> check on the ride. Also, I had to do it over traffic and other noises, and 
>> their awful computer kept responding to any noise it heard.
>> 
>> Gigi
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, you can, depends how fast you at flicking left or right, or finding 
>>> the dial numbers. Yes, it is slightly slower than what a sighted person can 
>>> do.
>>> 
>>> If you are dialing a number and you know you will have to press 1 for 
>>> english, press 4 for your next option. You can save it to your contacts 
>>> with a comma or two for a few second delay and add the menu number. Say for 
>>> example put the number 8004561234,1,4 and that will choose the menu options 
>>> automatically for you, and you don’t have to do anything.
>>> 
>>> This is how I save my bus scheduling number. I just put my bus number and 
>>> put a comma then what ever menu option that you know you wanted. And you 
>>> can do this with banks with your account number.
>>> Daniel Hawkins
>>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>>> 
>>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>>> 4GB DDR3
>>> 500GB HDD
>>> 
>>> Dual Boot:
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi folks,
 I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a 
 traditional way using an iphone.
 here is a simple example.
 Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, 
 then an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices from a menu.
 these choices change based on information  presented.
 I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things.
 However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often with 
 changing flexibility and effortlessly?
 Thanks,
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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Daniel Hawkins]

LOL, I for one have a hearingaid and use a bluetooth device called a Compilot. 
I pretty much have this on when I’m awake. Noone around here hears my iPhone or 
my Mac. I loved this feature so much that I can’t live without it.
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On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Robert C  wrote:

> Karen,
>   Its a Voiceover feature, accessed by using the rotor when in an edit field 
> or the keypad. If you can try it, then you can judge whethger it will work 
> for you or not. Its quicker than standard typing.
> 
>   Keep watching those tage, I have many. LOL
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> "It is time I stepped aside for a less experienced and less able man."
> --Scott Elledge, on his retirement as a Professor at Cornell
> Robert & Dreamer Doll  ke7nwn
> E-mail-
> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
> 
> On 1/23/2014 9:59 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> I have no idea as I do not own the phone.
>> which models does this option exist on?  I can check, even if just for
>> kicks.
>> smiling at your tag line.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Robert C wrote:
>> 
>>> Karen,
>>>   Does putting the keypad into touch typing mode help any?
>>> 
>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>>> Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels good.
>>> Robert & Dreamer Doll  ke7nwn
>>> E-mail-
>>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On 1/23/2014 8:26 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 Hi,
 oh and I forgot an element, using no earphones whatsoever?
 my phone is a phone, I hold it to my ear, I want the speech in my
 ear etc.
 Thanks for your input,
 it is not a matter of the computer voices not shutting up.  it is a
 matter of the iphone providing the equal of touch tone information that
 another system recognizes.
 wanted to clarify since this is a 100% deal breaker for me.
 I do not want to require an ear piece every time I make one of these
 calls when working between appointments.  equally I do not want my
 phone
 talking in a fashion where others can hear.
 thanks for the wisdom.
 Thoughts?
 Karen
 
 On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 
 >  Karen, based on what I understand you are saying, you should be able
 >  to do it. I used to have more problems with that, but that got
 >  corrected. Now they on screen keyboard comes up and you can hear
 >  VoiceOver while those awful computers are still talking and won't
 shut
 >  up. I have found it sometimes to be a little easier to use the
 >  earphones, but that's not essential. Like I said, this used to be a
 >  problem, and I think that's why you were told it couldn't be
 easily >  done.
 > >  Regards,
 >  Gigi
 > > >  On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen
 >   wrote:
 > > >  Hi folks,
 > >  I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a
 > >  traditional way using an iphone.
 > >  here is a simple example.
 > >  Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user
 > >  number, then an  a password.  you then must make a series of
 choices
 > >  from a menu.
 > >  these choices change based on information  presented.
 > >  I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different
 > >  things.
 > >  However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done
 often
 > >  with changing flexibility and effortlessly?
 > >  Thanks,
 > >  Karen
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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[David Chittenden]

It does not matter what you are comfortable with. Buttons on phones are 
disappearing. At this point, touch displays are less expensive then displays 
with physical buttons. So, buttons will be disappearing more rapidly now. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Jan 2014, at 6:54, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> granted you can control many phones  from a text message standpoint voice if 
> needful.   I am not a texter in general sending, but some do choose to send 
> them to me.   Still as expressed,  it is logistics thing.  I hate ear buds, 
> they never stay in my ear,  I am not wearing your head lol.
> Still if I can do what I wish faster just by pressing real buttons, then that 
> may  be better for me.
> Perhaps it too is a girl thing.
> I am  standing on the sidewalk in a dress and heels  fiddling with m my phone 
> advertising to  anyone...hey,  look at that person who likely cannot see you 
> playing with that really expensive phone! wanna go bug her? smiles.
> The nice thing is  hat we both have choices and can individually meet those 
> choices and preferences as we desire.  no us  verses them thinking required.
> To contribute some information of possible interest.
> In Canada,
> www.wirelessaccessability.ca
> In the states,
> www.mobileaccessability.org
> I believe.
> Both have detailed search engines where one can choose the specific features 
> that fit your individual lifestyle.
> in my case there are 32 phones that I can try,  I just wanted to ask about 
> the iphone because I am here.
> 
> Kare
> 
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry, but I'm confused now. If you want to manage text messages and do 
>> other tasks on any phone, and you can't see the screen, you are going to use 
>> speech or braille no matter the platform. Given that, why not either use the 
>> earbuds your phone comes with, or invest in bluetooth headphones to have 
>> wireless, private speech? This would fix all your problems. Additionally, 
>> sighted people are no better off when dialing menu options. The iPhone must 
>> be in speaker mode (lowered from the ear) to accept input, so sighted or 
>> blind, everyone has to switch to speaker long enough to touch the button(s) 
>> they want. The only difference is that people will hear which buttons you 
>> press, unless you turn speech off and are good at finding the proper buttons 
>> by clicks alone. Also, the way the iPhones are designed, covering the 
>> speaker with your finger or thumb muffles it quite nicely. I now 
>> automatically do that when I lower the phone no matter what I'm doing, and 
>> it works well. Having phones talk and switch to speaker is more commonplace 
>> now, with the advent of the buttonless smartphone, and I really think it 
>> will be much less of an issue than you imagine. I was hung up on the same 
>> thing as you when I considered switching, but I don't even think about it 
>> anymore. I keep headphones with me (either earbuds or my bluetooth ones), 
>> and they work perfectly. They also offer other advantages, like issuing 
>> commands to Siri without needing to touch my phone at all, or 
>> answering/hanging up calls from the headphones alone.
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> makes perfect sense.
>>> for me though, there are just too many times places, extensions and so 
>>> forth for this to  be reasonable.
>>> I run both a production company and a media nonprofit.  There are places 
>>> people etc. I may only call once, that I may only visit once etc.
>>> My desire is taking out my phone dialing a call responding to what is 
>>> needful  and getting on with my day.  and indeed because of traffic, other 
>>> people near me,  and the like I want the exchange to be between me and my 
>>> phone not me my phone and a bunch of strangers.  same goes for listening to 
>>> text messages and sending them.
>>> There are phones that allow for this, lg just issued a new one late last 
>>> fall its a 447.
>>> I am in a circumstance where I can have whatever phone I said i wanted, 
>>> including any iphone from my provider for free just now.  I had voted down 
>>> an iphone before, but wanted to check if anything on this front was 
>>> better...unfortunately it is not.
>>> Thanks for your wisdom, I appreciate learning what I cannot do as much as 
>>> what I can.
>>> 
>>> Kare
>>> 
 On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 
 Yes, and the commas you put before those extra numbers the longer the 
 iPhone waits before putting in the number. This will not work well for you 
 if those first extra numbers keep changing, unless you put in a separate 
 contact named so that you can tell which one you have. For example, Dallas 
 Area Rapid Transit has an option on their computer called Where's My Ride? 
 I put in a separate contact and deliberately named it Where's My Ride? 
 instead of calling it D

Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Karen Lewellen]

that tag is funny too.
an edit field to make a phone call?
May make more sense in a store,  but again I am talking about a standard 
phone call.

Kare

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Robert C wrote:


Karen,
  Its a Voiceover feature, accessed by using the rotor when in an edit field 
or the keypad. If you can try it, then you can judge whethger it will work 
for you or not. Its quicker than standard typing.


  Keep watching those tage, I have many. LOL

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
"It is time I stepped aside for a less experienced and less able man."
--Scott Elledge, on his retirement as a Professor at Cornell
Robert & Dreamer Doll  ke7nwn
E-mail-
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On 1/23/2014 9:59 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 I have no idea as I do not own the phone.
 which models does this option exist on?  I can check, even if just for
 kicks.
 smiling at your tag line.
 Kare


 On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Robert C wrote:

>  Karen,
> Does putting the keypad into touch typing mode help any?
> 
>  Quote of the nanosecond . . .

>  Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels good.
>  Robert & Dreamer Doll  ke7nwn
>  E-mail-
>  gone.to.da...@gmail.com
> 
>  On 1/23/2014 8:26 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> >   Hi,
> >   oh and I forgot an element, using no earphones whatsoever?
> >   my phone is a phone, I hold it to my ear, I want the speech in my
> >  ear etc.
> >   Thanks for your input,
> >   it is not a matter of the computer voices not shutting up.  it is a
> >   matter of the iphone providing the equal of touch tone information 
> >   that

> >   another system recognizes.
> >   wanted to clarify since this is a 100% deal breaker for me.
> >   I do not want to require an ear piece every time I make one of these
> >   calls when working between appointments.  equally I do not want my
> >  phone
> >   talking in a fashion where others can hear.
> >   thanks for the wisdom.
> >   Thoughts?
> >   Karen
> > 
> >   On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> > 
> > >   Karen, based on what I understand you are saying, you should be 
> > >   able

> > >   to do it. I used to have more problems with that, but that got
> > >   corrected. Now they on screen keyboard comes up and you can hear
> > >   VoiceOver while those awful computers are still talking and won't
> >  shut
> > >   up. I have found it sometimes to be a little easier to use the
> > >   earphones, but that's not essential. Like I said, this used to be a
> > >   problem, and I think that's why you were told it couldn't be
> > easily >   done.
> > > >   Regards,
> > >   Gigi
> > > > >   On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen
> > >wrote:
> > > > >   Hi folks,
> > > >   I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a
> > > >   traditional way using an iphone.
> > > >   here is a simple example.
> > > >   Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a 
> > > >   user

> > > >   number, then an  a password.  you then must make a series of
> >  choices
> > > >   from a menu.
> > > >   these choices change based on information  presented.
> > > >   I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different
> > > >   things.
> > > >   However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done
> >  often
> > > >   with changing flexibility and effortlessly?
> > > >   Thanks,
> > > >   Karen
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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[David Chittenden]

Actually, I never save extensions in my phone book. I use the touchscreen to 
activate the buttons during menus. It is not difficult for me at all. I usually 
touch right where the number is. It merely takes practice.

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> On 24 Jan 2014, at 5:30, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> what sighted person?
> I do this effortlessly every day, with a phone that has buttons, and new ones 
> come out all the time.
> there can be no saving, the choices change all the time.
> Forgive my swift reply, but the us verses them thinking always blows my mind, 
> as if the experience of sight loss is  two sides of the same coin.
> gosh I can do this with buttons...period.
> Kare
> 
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Daniel Hawkins wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, you can, depends how fast you at flicking left or right, or finding the 
>> dial numbers. Yes, it is slightly slower than what a sighted person can do.
>> 
>> If you are dialing a number and you know you will have to press 1 for 
>> english, press 4 for your next option. You can save it to your contacts with 
>> a comma or two for a few second delay and add the menu number. Say for 
>> example put the number 8004561234,1,4 and that will choose the menu options 
>> automatically for you, and you don’t have to do anything.
>> 
>> This is how I save my bus scheduling number. I just put my bus number and 
>> put a comma then what ever menu option that you know you wanted. And you can 
>> do this with banks with your account number.
>> Daniel Hawkins
>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>> 4GB DDR3
>> 500GB HDD
>> 
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>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a 
>>> traditional way using an iphone.
>>> here is a simple example.
>>> Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, 
>>> then an  a password.  you then must make a series of choices from a menu.
>>> these choices change based on information  presented.
>>> I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things.
>>> However, I am asking about this specific task.  can it be done often with 
>>> changing flexibility and effortlessly?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
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Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[David Chittenden]

No, when voiceover is off, the phone does not automatically switch to 
speakerphone. Though blind people have stated on lists that they would prefer 
this to be the case for the blind as well, apps which block the speakerphone 
from activating cause mini blind people to believe there speech output has 
broken. When voiceover is off, the proximity sensor merely turns the touch 
display on and off.

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Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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> On 24 Jan 2014, at 6:30, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, but I'm confused now. If you want to manage text messages and do other 
> tasks on any phone, and you can't see the screen, you are going to use speech 
> or braille no matter the platform. Given that, why not either use the earbuds 
> your phone comes with, or invest in bluetooth headphones to have wireless, 
> private speech? This would fix all your problems. Additionally, sighted 
> people are no better off when dialing menu options. The iPhone must be in 
> speaker mode (lowered from the ear) to accept input, so sighted or blind, 
> everyone has to switch to speaker long enough to touch the button(s) they 
> want. The only difference is that people will hear which buttons you press, 
> unless you turn speech off and are good at finding the proper buttons by 
> clicks alone. Also, the way the iPhones are designed, covering the speaker 
> with your finger or thumb muffles it quite nicely. I now automatically do 
> that when I lower the phone no matter what I'm doing, and it works well. 
> Having phones talk and switch to speaker is more commonplace now, with the 
> advent of the buttonless smartphone, and I really think it will be much less 
> of an issue than you imagine. I was hung up on the same thing as you when I 
> considered switching, but I don't even think about it anymore. I keep 
> headphones with me (either earbuds or my bluetooth ones), and they work 
> perfectly. They also offer other advantages, like issuing commands to Siri 
> without needing to touch my phone at all, or answering/hanging up calls from 
> the headphones alone.
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> makes perfect sense.
>> for me though, there are just too many times places, extensions and so forth 
>> for this to  be reasonable.
>> I run both a production company and a media nonprofit.  There are places 
>> people etc. I may only call once, that I may only visit once etc.
>> My desire is taking out my phone dialing a call responding to what is 
>> needful  and getting on with my day.  and indeed because of traffic, other 
>> people near me,  and the like I want the exchange to be between me and my 
>> phone not me my phone and a bunch of strangers.  same goes for listening to 
>> text messages and sending them.
>> There are phones that allow for this, lg just issued a new one late last 
>> fall its a 447.
>> I am in a circumstance where I can have whatever phone I said i wanted, 
>> including any iphone from my provider for free just now.  I had voted down 
>> an iphone before, but wanted to check if anything on this front was 
>> better...unfortunately it is not.
>> Thanks for your wisdom, I appreciate learning what I cannot do as much as 
>> what I can.
>> 
>> Kare
>> 
>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, and the commas you put before those extra numbers the longer the 
>>> iPhone waits before putting in the number. This will not work well for you 
>>> if those first extra numbers keep changing, unless you put in a separate 
>>> contact named so that you can tell which one you have. For example, Dallas 
>>> Area Rapid Transit has an option on their computer called Where's My Ride? 
>>> I put in a separate contact and deliberately named it Where's My Ride? 
>>> instead of calling it Dallas Area Rapid Transit. I hope this makes sense. I 
>>> did this because the options for calling up that particular choice was 
>>> different from the scheduling choice; sometimes I want scheduling and 
>>> sometimes I want to check on the ride. Also, I had to do it over traffic 
>>> and other noises, and their awful computer kept responding to any noise it 
>>> heard.
>>> 
>>> Gigi
>>> 
 On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Daniel Hawkins 
  wrote:
 
 Yes, you can, depends how fast you at flicking left or right, or finding 
 the dial numbers. Yes, it is slightly slower than what a sighted person 
 can do.
 
 If you are dialing a number and you know you will have to press 1 for 
 english, press 4 for your next option. You can save it to your contacts 
 with a comma or two for a few second delay and add the menu number. Say 
 for example put the number 8004561234,1,4 and that will choose the menu 
 options automatically for you, and you don’t have to do anything.
 
 This is how I save my bus scheduling number. I just put my bus number and 
 put a comma then what ever menu option that you 

Re: a simple, but important iphone question?

[Karen Lewellen]

disappearing for whom?
I have one phone in my bag that I have used effortlessly since2007, so 
by the time I have to replace my phone again,  it could be ages.  And as I 
expressed, Because so many people are disheartened with touch in general, 
the button phones, new ones, show up to meet that market.
I am not getting a phone for anyone but me..and expense for me is based 
on my productivity..
I always smile when someone says a technology is disappearing,  they said 
the same about so many over the years.  Movies were supposed to fade 
because of television for example.

 Kare

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, David Chittenden wrote:


It does not matter what you are comfortable with. Buttons on phones are 
disappearing. At this point, touch displays are less expensive then displays 
with physical buttons. So, buttons will be disappearing more rapidly now.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 24 Jan 2014, at 6:54, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

granted you can control many phones  from a text message standpoint voice if 
needful.   I am not a texter in general sending, but some do choose to send 
them to me.   Still as expressed,  it is logistics thing.  I hate ear buds, 
they never stay in my ear,  I am not wearing your head lol.
Still if I can do what I wish faster just by pressing real buttons, then that 
may  be better for me.
Perhaps it too is a girl thing.
I am  standing on the sidewalk in a dress and heels  fiddling with m my phone 
advertising to  anyone...hey,  look at that person who likely cannot see you 
playing with that really expensive phone! wanna go bug her? smiles.
The nice thing is  hat we both have choices and can individually meet those 
choices and preferences as we desire.  no us  verses them thinking required.
To contribute some information of possible interest.
In Canada,
www.wirelessaccessability.ca
In the states,
www.mobileaccessability.org
I believe.
Both have detailed search engines where one can choose the specific features 
that fit your individual lifestyle.
in my case there are 32 phones that I can try,  I just wanted to ask about the 
iphone because I am here.

Kare


On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote:

Sorry, but I'm confused now. If you want to manage text messages and do other 
tasks on any phone, and you can't see the screen, you are going to use speech 
or braille no matter the platform. Given that, why not either use the earbuds 
your phone comes with, or invest in bluetooth headphones to have wireless, 
private speech? This would fix all your problems. Additionally, sighted people 
are no better off when dialing menu options. The iPhone must be in speaker mode 
(lowered from the ear) to accept input, so sighted or blind, everyone has to 
switch to speaker long enough to touch the button(s) they want. The only 
difference is that people will hear which buttons you press, unless you turn 
speech off and are good at finding the proper buttons by clicks alone. Also, 
the way the iPhones are designed, covering the speaker with your finger or 
thumb muffles it quite nicely. I now automatically do that when I lower the 
phone no matter what I'm doing, and it works well. Having phones talk and 
switch to speaker is more commonplace now, with the advent of the buttonless 
smartphone, and I really think it will be much less of an issue than you 
imagine. I was hung up on the same thing as you when I considered switching, 
but I don't even think about it anymore. I keep headphones with me (either 
earbuds or my bluetooth ones), and they work perfectly. They also offer other 
advantages, like issuing commands to Siri without needing to touch my phone at 
all, or answering/hanging up calls from the headphones alone.

On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

makes perfect sense.
for me though, there are just too many times places, extensions and so forth 
for this to  be reasonable.
I run both a production company and a media nonprofit.  There are places people 
etc. I may only call once, that I may only visit once etc.
My desire is taking out my phone dialing a call responding to what is needful  
and getting on with my day.  and indeed because of traffic, other people near 
me,  and the like I want the exchange to be between me and my phone not me my 
phone and a bunch of strangers.  same goes for listening to text messages and 
sending them.
There are phones that allow for this, lg just issued a new one late last fall 
its a 447.
I am in a circumstance where I can have whatever phone I said i wanted, 
including any iphone from my provider for free just now.  I had voted down an 
iphone before, but wanted to check if anything on this front was 
better...unfortunately it is not.
Thanks for your wisdom, I appreciate learning what I cannot do as much as what 
I can.

Kare


On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Yes, and the commas you put before those extra numbers the longer the iPhone 
waits before pu

Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[Cheryl Homiak]

No, what I read is that gmail is seeing it as aa Unix executable file and won't 
send it. Perhaps other email servers are doing the same.

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)





On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:51 AM, April Brown  wrote:

> I realize I wouldn't be able to open it on my Windows machine without 
> changing it.  Thanks for easy to follow directions.
> 
> However, I still couldn't email  Pages document to my husband's Mac, same age 
> as mine, under a month old.  In fact, the email wouldn't send because it 
> thought the document was a suspicious file.  Maybe some setting is set wrong. 
>  I don't know.  I just know Pages and Numbers documents cannot be attached to 
> email on either of our Macs.
> 
> On Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:04:42 AM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi April,
> 
> First thing to note is that your Windows machine will not be able to open a 
> .Pages document unless you have first made it into a different format 
> readable by whatever application you have on your Windows machine.  
> Similarly, if you don’t have the Pages app on a different Mac, then you won’t 
> be able to open that document on the other Mac either.  On the Mac, you can 
> set Pages to automatically open MSWord documents but the opposite isn’t true 
> on Windows, MSWord will not open a Pages document at all.  So, for example, 
> if you have MSWord on your Windows machine, then you’ll need to export your 
> Pages document into Word format.  To accomplish this:
> 
> 1.  Open your Pages document on your Mac.
> 2.  VO-m to access the menubar.
> 3.  VO-right to the File menu.
> 4.  VO-down to the Export item, which includes a sub-menu.
> 5.  VO-right to activate the sub-menu.
> 6.  VO-down to the Word option.
> 7.  Press return twice.
> 
> The first return brings up the Export menu in case you wish to change your 
> mind on the format and the second return will bring you to the saving dialog. 
>  The Export dialog has a few Unknowns in it but if you Interact with them, 
> you will see what they pertain to, although you simply need to press return 
> the second time if you chose the correct format from the sub-menu.  You will 
> note that the filename will be the same as what you’ve named it in Pages but 
> will have a .DOCX as the extension.
> 
> 8.  Choose your destination from within the Save dialog and a Word document 
> will be created.
> 
> This Word document can be eMailed or copied to other media and put into a 
> different computer that has the Word application.  To eMail it, do the 
> following:
> 
> 1.  Open a new message in Mail.
> 2.  Adress and Subject the message.
> 3.  Put in any text in the message area.
> 4.  Press cmd-shift-a to Attach a file.
> 5.  Locate the file from the Attach/Open dialog and press return to attach it.
> 
> An item will be placed into your message letting you know the name of the 
> newly attached file.
> 
> 6.  Send it.
> 
> The recipient should receive your message with the attached Word file and as 
> long as they have Word on their machine, they should be good to go.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:34 AM, April Brown  wrote:
> 
>> It doesn't work here.  It claims to be a potential security issue.  I have 
>> screenshots saved.  No idea how to add a screen shot to a message on the 
>> message board. 
>> 
>> Of course, I've not even had my computer for a month yet, so I may have a 
>> different version of Pages.
>> 
>> And when I try to open a Pages document on the old Windows computer, it 
>> won't open, a it is a folder and a separate document beside it.
>> 
>> Have to keep that, until I get all of nine months important Outlook emails 
>> converted to text, and a step by step  VoiceOver guide created, so I can use 
>> VoiceOver.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:19:32 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Sending Pages documents via eMail will send it as a .pages document just 
>> fine.  I tested a few minutes ago with a Pages document from my Gmail 
>> account to my work account and the document came through perfectly as a 
>> Pages document which opened properly.  It should be no different for any 
>> regular documents.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>>> The MIME format used to encode email attachments has no structure for 
>>> folders so to attach a folder of files many email apps will zip them into a 
>>> single file and then send that as an attachment. That said, a Word doc 
>>> usually is one monolithic file so unless you so

Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

As I mentioned yesterday, I send and have sent the newest Pages documents via 
eMail without issue.  In fact, I sent a document yesterday for fun from my 
Gmail account to my work account, which is a Google Apps for Education account, 
so Gmail as well and it sent and was delivered without incident.

I will look at my settings a little closer to see if there’s something within 
there that could be causing others’ problems.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
wrote:

> April,
> 
> Oh! You mean sending via email. Yes, since the new iWork update, Gmail won’t 
> reconize the new file format. Gmail have not updated yet, so it see it as a 
> security threat.
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
> 
> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
> 2.3 Quad-core i7
> 4GB DDR3
> 500GB HDD
> 
> Dual Boot:
> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:51 AM, April Brown  wrote:
> 
>> I realize I wouldn't be able to open it on my Windows machine without 
>> changing it.  Thanks for easy to follow directions.
>> 
>> However, I still couldn't email  Pages document to my husband's Mac, same 
>> age as mine, under a month old.  In fact, the email wouldn't send because it 
>> thought the document was a suspicious file.  Maybe some setting is set 
>> wrong.  I don't know.  I just know Pages and Numbers documents cannot be 
>> attached to email on either of our Macs.
>> 
>> On Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:04:42 AM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi April,
>> 
>> First thing to note is that your Windows machine will not be able to open a 
>> .Pages document unless you have first made it into a different format 
>> readable by whatever application you have on your Windows machine.  
>> Similarly, if you don’t have the Pages app on a different Mac, then you 
>> won’t be able to open that document on the other Mac either.  On the Mac, 
>> you can set Pages to automatically open MSWord documents but the opposite 
>> isn’t true on Windows, MSWord will not open a Pages document at all.  So, 
>> for example, if you have MSWord on your Windows machine, then you’ll need to 
>> export your Pages document into Word format.  To accomplish this:
>> 
>> 1.  Open your Pages document on your Mac.
>> 2.  VO-m to access the menubar.
>> 3.  VO-right to the File menu.
>> 4.  VO-down to the Export item, which includes a sub-menu.
>> 5.  VO-right to activate the sub-menu.
>> 6.  VO-down to the Word option.
>> 7.  Press return twice.
>> 
>> The first return brings up the Export menu in case you wish to change your 
>> mind on the format and the second return will bring you to the saving 
>> dialog.  The Export dialog has a few Unknowns in it but if you Interact with 
>> them, you will see what they pertain to, although you simply need to press 
>> return the second time if you chose the correct format from the sub-menu.  
>> You will note that the filename will be the same as what you’ve named it in 
>> Pages but will have a .DOCX as the extension.
>> 
>> 8.  Choose your destination from within the Save dialog and a Word document 
>> will be created.
>> 
>> This Word document can be eMailed or copied to other media and put into a 
>> different computer that has the Word application.  To eMail it, do the 
>> following:
>> 
>> 1.  Open a new message in Mail.
>> 2.  Adress and Subject the message.
>> 3.  Put in any text in the message area.
>> 4.  Press cmd-shift-a to Attach a file.
>> 5.  Locate the file from the Attach/Open dialog and press return to attach 
>> it.
>> 
>> An item will be placed into your message letting you know the name of the 
>> newly attached file.
>> 
>> 6.  Send it.
>> 
>> The recipient should receive your message with the attached Word file and as 
>> long as they have Word on their machine, they should be good to go.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:34 AM, April Brown  wrote:
>> 
>>> It doesn't work here.  It claims to be a potential security issue.  I have 
>>> screenshots saved.  No idea how to add a screen shot to a message on the 
>>> message board. 
>>> 
>>> Of course, I've not even had my computer for a month yet, so I may have a 
>>> different version of Pages.
>>> 
>>> And when I try to open a Pages document on the old Windows computer, it 
>>> won't open, a it is a folder and a separate document beside it.
>>> 
>>> Have to keep that, until I get all of nine months important Outlook emails 
>>> converted to text, and a step by step  VoiceOver guide created, so I can 
>>> use VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:19:32 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Sending Pages documents via eMail will send it as a .pages document just 
>>> fine.  I tested a few minutes ago with a Pages document from my Gmail 
>>> account to my work account and the document came through perfectly as a 
>>> Pages document which opened properly.  It should be no different for an

Re: Splitting keyboard on an iPad

[Alex Hall]

Airplay, no. However, there is a feature that lets you mirror your screen 
(which is, to my understanding, different from Airplay but uses the same 
technology). I don't know the specifics as I can't see well enough to use it 
all, and don't have an iPad or Apple TV. Google will, I'm sure, have plenty to 
say on the subject. Besides, if she can't use the Apple TV, it'll make someone 
else a really great birthday present, and she can switch to a wired solution 
for $30 or $40. An expensive adapter, to be sure, but that's Apple for you. :)
On Jan 23, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Daniel Hawkins  
wrote:

> Alex,
> 
> Can you airplay the home screen and every single app on the iPad? That’s why 
> I said HDMI, in that way, everything on the iPad or iPhone can be displayed 
> on the bigscreen.
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
> 
> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
> 2.3 Quad-core i7
> 4GB DDR3
> 500GB HDD
> 
> Dual Boot:
> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> HDMI is a good idea, but why not go wireless? Get an Apple TV, and Airplay 
>> the iPad to the big screen (you'll need to check on the iPad models that can 
>> do this, but I think the 3 can). No wires, and the Apple TV can be useful in 
>> and of itself. Or, I think there are apps that let Mac computers emulate 
>> Airplay receivers, letting you mirror your iPad to the iMac. Just something 
>> to think about.
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> I will mention that to her nephew. He has said more than once that money is 
>>> not an issue here. So, he can go and get her a brand spanking new iPad with 
>>> all the trimmings if he wants. She must be his favorite aunt because he is 
>>> going all out here for her. She's lucky. 
>>> 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Just an idea, have a HDMI cord hooked up to the iPad so she can see it on 
 the bigger tv if she have one. So she can learn the layout, as she slowly 
 learn Voiceover.
 Daniel Hawkins
 - Posted from my Macbook Pro
 
 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
 2.3 Quad-core i7
 4GB DDR3
 500GB HDD
 
 Dual Boot:
 Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
 
 On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
> Ok, I think that will work ok. I'm going to talk to him tomorrow about 
> taking this iPad out of his Apple ID and setting up another one for his 
> aunt. That way, she can do whatever on her iPad without messing up his 
> devices. 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Unfortunately, you can't move icons like that. Using Zoom you can 
>> enlarge the screen, but icons will always fill home screens to the right 
>> and down. You can move icons wherever you like on Android, but not iOS. 
>> That said, you could always just have a bunch of folders or home screens 
>> with only a few icons each.
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Alex. I am going to be helping this lady's nephew tomorrow. He's 
>>> got three different iPads, the highest of which is an iPad 3. I'm going 
>>> to talk him into giving this one to his aunt so that she can have 
>>> dictation and Siri. 
>>> 
>>> You guys with low vision correct if I'm wrong, please, but I thought 
>>> that because she's very elderly also, that we could move the icons 
>>> around on the iPad so that they would be separated and make them 
>>> bigger. I even thought about moving them so that they are in the 
>>> corners of the iPad so that when her vision gets worse she can know 
>>> where they are. We can switch her to the iPhone if we have to if she 
>>> goes totally blind or pose to it. She has got an iMac that somebody 
>>> gave her, and I thought that she could use it for looking at her 
>>> pictures on her big screen. Her nephew is a computer guru, so I'm just 
>>> giving him a crash course in VoiceOver. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Either way is fine. It is the same gesture used to activate the back 
 button, so however you do that will work here. This requires Voiceover 
 to be on - if it is off, the pinch out will split the keyboard, and 
 the pinch in will join it.
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
> Hi Alex
> Excuse me for being a little dance here, but does that mean scrub 
> from top to bottom or does that mean scrub from left to right when 
> the keyboard is up?
> Gigi
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> While focused in the edit field, with the keyboard visible, do a 
>> two-finger scrub. That should toggle the keyboard's split mode.
>> On Jan 22, 

Re: Filenames longer than 31 characters on the mac

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Chris, Tim and others,

Just to clarify, I'm trying to save files on the hard drive of my macbook air. 
That problem had never arisen until fairly recently, that's why I'm confused. 
After I had read your responses, I experimented a bit and tried to change a 
file name in one of the folders of my home folder to a long name and I got an 
error message. Im really surprised and somewhat cheesed off. It can't have 
anything to do with the fact that I run vmware fusion with Windows 7 on my 
machine, can it? I share my home folder with Windows 7 but in Windows you can 
now use long file names as well, as far as I know. So I'm really stumped. Nor 
do I know  whether there's anywhere that one could adjust these settings. I 
looked in the finder preferences and in system preferences but found nothing.

Is there a way of restoring settings on one's macbook air to factory, if such 
exist, and what might be the consequence of it?

Thanks, listers,

Andrew

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Re: Splitting keyboard on an iPad

[Daniel Hawkins]

LOL, If you look at Amazon, you can get a HDMI adapter and a HDMI 15 foot cord 
both for around $15 bucks. Google Chromecast only play what’s in the 
webbrowser, not everything on the screen.

I did see somewhere that there is an adapter that is wireless that is $99 and 
should play everything on the screen. But I forgot what it was.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7
4GB DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit

On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Airplay, no. However, there is a feature that lets you mirror your screen 
> (which is, to my understanding, different from Airplay but uses the same 
> technology). I don't know the specifics as I can't see well enough to use it 
> all, and don't have an iPad or Apple TV. Google will, I'm sure, have plenty 
> to say on the subject. Besides, if she can't use the Apple TV, it'll make 
> someone else a really great birthday present, and she can switch to a wired 
> solution for $30 or $40. An expensive adapter, to be sure, but that's Apple 
> for you. :)
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Daniel Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
>> Alex,
>> 
>> Can you airplay the home screen and every single app on the iPad? That’s why 
>> I said HDMI, in that way, everything on the iPad or iPhone can be displayed 
>> on the bigscreen.
>> Daniel Hawkins
>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>> 4GB DDR3
>> 500GB HDD
>> 
>> Dual Boot:
>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> HDMI is a good idea, but why not go wireless? Get an Apple TV, and Airplay 
>>> the iPad to the big screen (you'll need to check on the iPad models that 
>>> can do this, but I think the 3 can). No wires, and the Apple TV can be 
>>> useful in and of itself. Or, I think there are apps that let Mac computers 
>>> emulate Airplay receivers, letting you mirror your iPad to the iMac. Just 
>>> something to think about.
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 I will mention that to her nephew. He has said more than once that money 
 is not an issue here. So, he can go and get her a brand spanking new iPad 
 with all the trimmings if he wants. She must be his favorite aunt because 
 he is going all out here for her. She's lucky. 
 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Daniel Hawkins 
  wrote:
 
> Just an idea, have a HDMI cord hooked up to the iPad so she can see it on 
> the bigger tv if she have one. So she can learn the layout, as she slowly 
> learn Voiceover.
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
> 
> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
> 2.3 Quad-core i7
> 4GB DDR3
> 500GB HDD
> 
> Dual Boot:
> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, I think that will work ok. I'm going to talk to him tomorrow about 
>> taking this iPad out of his Apple ID and setting up another one for his 
>> aunt. That way, she can do whatever on her iPad without messing up his 
>> devices. 
>> 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Unfortunately, you can't move icons like that. Using Zoom you can 
>>> enlarge the screen, but icons will always fill home screens to the 
>>> right and down. You can move icons wherever you like on Android, but 
>>> not iOS. That said, you could always just have a bunch of folders or 
>>> home screens with only a few icons each.
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks Alex. I am going to be helping this lady's nephew tomorrow. 
 He's got three different iPads, the highest of which is an iPad 3. I'm 
 going to talk him into giving this one to his aunt so that she can 
 have dictation and Siri. 
 
 You guys with low vision correct if I'm wrong, please, but I thought 
 that because she's very elderly also, that we could move the icons 
 around on the iPad so that they would be separated and make them 
 bigger. I even thought about moving them so that they are in the 
 corners of the iPad so that when her vision gets worse she can know 
 where they are. We can switch her to the iPhone if we have to if she 
 goes totally blind or pose to it. She has got an iMac that somebody 
 gave her, and I thought that she could use it for looking at her 
 pictures on her big screen. Her nephew is a computer guru, so I'm just 
 giving him a crash course in VoiceOver. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Either way is fine. It is the same gesture used to activate the back 
> button, so however you do that will work here. This requires 
>

Preview nightmare

[Christine Grassman]

Good day/night all. I have a pdf file that, up until a few days ago, would open 
readily and which I could read with no problem. Suddenly, whenever I open it, 
it lists "page 1 of 105" and there is no text.  I cannot interact.  I cannot 
switch to another page.  I have rebooted the computer.  I have checked the 
preferences. I have interacted with the tool bar, interacted with the scroll 
area. I have mailed a copy and tried reopening it. Nothing. I get a bunch of 
options such as "rotate," "Mark-up," "edit," "zoom in," and "zoom out," -- I 
get an edit option and a search option. (The latter does not find anything I 
type in, regardless of whether I know for certain that the content exists. All 
I want is to get into the darned file and read it. I have opened other pdf 
files successfully since this occurred. This is a file to which I must have 
access; I would sincerely appreciate assistance. Thank you.
Christine

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Re: Splitting keyboard on an iPad

[Alex Hall]

The official Apple ones are always recommended, but yes, you can get cheaper 
ones elsewhere. The difference is that apple cannot promise they will work. I 
would not advise using a Chrome Cast, as that does not mirror everything. An 
Apple TV is different, though, and should let iPads send everything on their 
screens to the TV.
On Jan 23, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Daniel Hawkins  
wrote:

> LOL, If you look at Amazon, you can get a HDMI adapter and a HDMI 15 foot 
> cord both for around $15 bucks. Google Chromecast only play what’s in the 
> webbrowser, not everything on the screen.
> 
> I did see somewhere that there is an adapter that is wireless that is $99 and 
> should play everything on the screen. But I forgot what it was.
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
> 
> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
> 2.3 Quad-core i7
> 4GB DDR3
> 500GB HDD
> 
> Dual Boot:
> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Airplay, no. However, there is a feature that lets you mirror your screen 
>> (which is, to my understanding, different from Airplay but uses the same 
>> technology). I don't know the specifics as I can't see well enough to use it 
>> all, and don't have an iPad or Apple TV. Google will, I'm sure, have plenty 
>> to say on the subject. Besides, if she can't use the Apple TV, it'll make 
>> someone else a really great birthday present, and she can switch to a wired 
>> solution for $30 or $40. An expensive adapter, to be sure, but that's Apple 
>> for you. :)
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Daniel Hawkins  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Alex,
>>> 
>>> Can you airplay the home screen and every single app on the iPad? That’s 
>>> why I said HDMI, in that way, everything on the iPad or iPhone can be 
>>> displayed on the bigscreen.
>>> Daniel Hawkins
>>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>>> 
>>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>>> 4GB DDR3
>>> 500GB HDD
>>> 
>>> Dual Boot:
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 HDMI is a good idea, but why not go wireless? Get an Apple TV, and Airplay 
 the iPad to the big screen (you'll need to check on the iPad models that 
 can do this, but I think the 3 can). No wires, and the Apple TV can be 
 useful in and of itself. Or, I think there are apps that let Mac computers 
 emulate Airplay receivers, letting you mirror your iPad to the iMac. Just 
 something to think about.
 On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
> I will mention that to her nephew. He has said more than once that money 
> is not an issue here. So, he can go and get her a brand spanking new iPad 
> with all the trimmings if he wants. She must be his favorite aunt because 
> he is going all out here for her. She's lucky. 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Daniel Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Just an idea, have a HDMI cord hooked up to the iPad so she can see it 
>> on the bigger tv if she have one. So she can learn the layout, as she 
>> slowly learn Voiceover.
>> Daniel Hawkins
>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>> 4GB DDR3
>> 500GB HDD
>> 
>> Dual Boot:
>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, I think that will work ok. I'm going to talk to him tomorrow about 
>>> taking this iPad out of his Apple ID and setting up another one for his 
>>> aunt. That way, she can do whatever on her iPad without messing up his 
>>> devices. 
>>> 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Unfortunately, you can't move icons like that. Using Zoom you can 
 enlarge the screen, but icons will always fill home screens to the 
 right and down. You can move icons wherever you like on Android, but 
 not iOS. That said, you could always just have a bunch of folders or 
 home screens with only a few icons each.
 On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
> Thanks Alex. I am going to be helping this lady's nephew tomorrow. 
> He's got three different iPads, the highest of which is an iPad 3. 
> I'm going to talk him into giving this one to his aunt so that she 
> can have dictation and Siri. 
> 
> You guys with low vision correct if I'm wrong, please, but I thought 
> that because she's very elderly also, that we could move the icons 
> around on the iPad so that they would be separated and make them 
> bigger. I even thought about moving them so that they are in the 
> corners of the iPad so that when her vision gets worse she can know 
> where they are. We can switch her to the iPhone if we have to if she 
> goes totally blind or pose to it. She

Re: Preview nightmare

[Isaac Hebert]

The pdf might require a pasSent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:58 PM, word.Christine Grassman 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good day/night all. I have a pdf file that, up until a few days ago, would 
> open readily and which I could read with no problem. Suddenly, whenever I 
> open it, it lists "page 1 of 105" and there is no text.  I cannot interact.  
> I cannot switch to another page.  I have rebooted the computer.  I have 
> checked the preferences. I have interacted with the tool bar, interacted with 
> the scroll area. I have mailed a copy and tried reopening it. Nothing. I get 
> a bunch of options such as "rotate," "Mark-up," "edit," "zoom in," and "zoom 
> out," -- I get an edit option and a search option. (The latter does not find 
> anything I type in, regardless of whether I know for certain that the content 
> exists. All I want is to get into the darned file and read it. I have opened 
> other pdf files successfully since this occurred. This is a file to which I 
> must have access; I would sincerely appreciate assistance. Thank you.
> Christine
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Re: Preview nightmare

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You may wish to check which view you’re set to.  That is, under the View menu 
while in Preview, there was a time when Preview documents did not display 
properly in Single page view.  This appears to be fixed in my installation but 
it’s a straw to grasp.

Later…
 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Christine Grassman  
wrote:

> Good day/night all. I have a pdf file that, up until a few days ago, would 
> open readily and which I could read with no problem. Suddenly, whenever I 
> open it, it lists "page 1 of 105" and there is no text.  I cannot interact.  
> I cannot switch to another page.  I have rebooted the computer.  I have 
> checked the preferences. I have interacted with the tool bar, interacted with 
> the scroll area. I have mailed a copy and tried reopening it. Nothing. I get 
> a bunch of options such as "rotate," "Mark-up," "edit," "zoom in," and "zoom 
> out," -- I get an edit option and a search option. (The latter does not find 
> anything I type in, regardless of whether I know for certain that the content 
> exists. All I want is to get into the darned file and read it. I have opened 
> other pdf files successfully since this occurred. This is a file to which I 
> must have access; I would sincerely appreciate assistance. Thank you.
> Christine
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Re: Filenames longer than 31 characters on the mac

[Chris Blouch]

Interesting. I don't usually share folders between my VMWare and the Mac 
just because I don't want Windows messing with things on my Mac. Makes 
me wonder if VMWare didn't set some flags on the folder. Have you tried 
turning the folder sharing in VMWare off just to see if that makes a 
difference?


CB

On 1/23/14 1:53 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi Chris, Tim and others,

Just to clarify, I'm trying to save files on the hard drive of my macbook air. 
That problem had never arisen until fairly recently, that's why I'm confused. 
After I had read your responses, I experimented a bit and tried to change a 
file name in one of the folders of my home folder to a long name and I got an 
error message. Im really surprised and somewhat cheesed off. It can't have 
anything to do with the fact that I run vmware fusion with Windows 7 on my 
machine, can it? I share my home folder with Windows 7 but in Windows you can 
now use long file names as well, as far as I know. So I'm really stumped. Nor 
do I know  whether there's anywhere that one could adjust these settings. I 
looked in the finder preferences and in system preferences but found nothing.

Is there a way of restoring settings on one's macbook air to factory, if such 
exist, and what might be the consequence of it?

Thanks, listers,

Andrew



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Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[Cheryl Homiak]

Well, this was a Macworld article I read but maybe that issue was taken care of 
or there is some other relevant variable.

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)





On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> As I mentioned yesterday, I send and have sent the newest Pages documents via 
> eMail without issue.  In fact, I sent a document yesterday for fun from my 
> Gmail account to my work account, which is a Google Apps for Education 
> account, so Gmail as well and it sent and was delivered without incident.
> 
> I will look at my settings a little closer to see if there’s something within 
> there that could be causing others’ problems.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
>> April,
>> 
>> Oh! You mean sending via email. Yes, since the new iWork update, Gmail won’t 
>> reconize the new file format. Gmail have not updated yet, so it see it as a 
>> security threat.
>> Daniel Hawkins
>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>> 4GB DDR3
>> 500GB HDD
>> 
>> Dual Boot:
>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:51 AM, April Brown  wrote:
>> 
>>> I realize I wouldn't be able to open it on my Windows machine without 
>>> changing it.  Thanks for easy to follow directions.
>>> 
>>> However, I still couldn't email  Pages document to my husband's Mac, same 
>>> age as mine, under a month old.  In fact, the email wouldn't send because 
>>> it thought the document was a suspicious file.  Maybe some setting is set 
>>> wrong.  I don't know.  I just know Pages and Numbers documents cannot be 
>>> attached to email on either of our Macs.
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:04:42 AM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi April,
>>> 
>>> First thing to note is that your Windows machine will not be able to open a 
>>> .Pages document unless you have first made it into a different format 
>>> readable by whatever application you have on your Windows machine.  
>>> Similarly, if you don’t have the Pages app on a different Mac, then you 
>>> won’t be able to open that document on the other Mac either.  On the Mac, 
>>> you can set Pages to automatically open MSWord documents but the opposite 
>>> isn’t true on Windows, MSWord will not open a Pages document at all.  So, 
>>> for example, if you have MSWord on your Windows machine, then you’ll need 
>>> to export your Pages document into Word format.  To accomplish this:
>>> 
>>> 1.  Open your Pages document on your Mac.
>>> 2.  VO-m to access the menubar.
>>> 3.  VO-right to the File menu.
>>> 4.  VO-down to the Export item, which includes a sub-menu.
>>> 5.  VO-right to activate the sub-menu.
>>> 6.  VO-down to the Word option.
>>> 7.  Press return twice.
>>> 
>>> The first return brings up the Export menu in case you wish to change your 
>>> mind on the format and the second return will bring you to the saving 
>>> dialog.  The Export dialog has a few Unknowns in it but if you Interact 
>>> with them, you will see what they pertain to, although you simply need to 
>>> press return the second time if you chose the correct format from the 
>>> sub-menu.  You will note that the filename will be the same as what you’ve 
>>> named it in Pages but will have a .DOCX as the extension.
>>> 
>>> 8.  Choose your destination from within the Save dialog and a Word document 
>>> will be created.
>>> 
>>> This Word document can be eMailed or copied to other media and put into a 
>>> different computer that has the Word application.  To eMail it, do the 
>>> following:
>>> 
>>> 1.  Open a new message in Mail.
>>> 2.  Adress and Subject the message.
>>> 3.  Put in any text in the message area.
>>> 4.  Press cmd-shift-a to Attach a file.
>>> 5.  Locate the file from the Attach/Open dialog and press return to attach 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> An item will be placed into your message letting you know the name of the 
>>> newly attached file.
>>> 
>>> 6.  Send it.
>>> 
>>> The recipient should receive your message with the attached Word file and 
>>> as long as they have Word on their machine, they should be good to go.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:34 AM, April Brown  wrote:
>>> 
 It doesn't work here.  It claims to be a potential security issue.  I have 
 screenshots saved.  No idea how to add a screen shot to a message on the 
 message board. 
 
 Of course, I've not even had my computer for a month yet, so I may have a 
 different version of Pages.
 

Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[Tim Kilburn]

Hmmm.  I just created  anew Pages document, sent it to and from Gmail via one 
of my non-GMail accounts and it worked every time.  I looked in Mail Prefs and 
couldn’t see anything that to do with attachments that could be messing with 
this.  Now, I attach files by pressing cmd-shift-a which brings up the dialog, 
are you using the same method or are you dragging it from somewhere into the 
body of the message?

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> Well, this was a Macworld article I read but maybe that issue was taken care 
> of or there is some other relevant variable.
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> As I mentioned yesterday, I send and have sent the newest Pages documents 
>> via eMail without issue.  In fact, I sent a document yesterday for fun from 
>> my Gmail account to my work account, which is a Google Apps for Education 
>> account, so Gmail as well and it sent and was delivered without incident.
>> 
>> I will look at my settings a little closer to see if there’s something 
>> within there that could be causing others’ problems.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> April,
>>> 
>>> Oh! You mean sending via email. Yes, since the new iWork update, Gmail 
>>> won’t reconize the new file format. Gmail have not updated yet, so it see 
>>> it as a security threat.
>>> Daniel Hawkins
>>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>>> 
>>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>>> 4GB DDR3
>>> 500GB HDD
>>> 
>>> Dual Boot:
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:51 AM, April Brown  wrote:
>>> 
 I realize I wouldn't be able to open it on my Windows machine without 
 changing it.  Thanks for easy to follow directions.
 
 However, I still couldn't email  Pages document to my husband's Mac, same 
 age as mine, under a month old.  In fact, the email wouldn't send because 
 it thought the document was a suspicious file.  Maybe some setting is set 
 wrong.  I don't know.  I just know Pages and Numbers documents cannot be 
 attached to email on either of our Macs.
 
 On Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:04:42 AM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Hi April,
 
 First thing to note is that your Windows machine will not be able to open 
 a .Pages document unless you have first made it into a different format 
 readable by whatever application you have on your Windows machine.  
 Similarly, if you don’t have the Pages app on a different Mac, then you 
 won’t be able to open that document on the other Mac either.  On the Mac, 
 you can set Pages to automatically open MSWord documents but the opposite 
 isn’t true on Windows, MSWord will not open a Pages document at all.  So, 
 for example, if you have MSWord on your Windows machine, then you’ll need 
 to export your Pages document into Word format.  To accomplish this:
 
 1.  Open your Pages document on your Mac.
 2.  VO-m to access the menubar.
 3.  VO-right to the File menu.
 4.  VO-down to the Export item, which includes a sub-menu.
 5.  VO-right to activate the sub-menu.
 6.  VO-down to the Word option.
 7.  Press return twice.
 
 The first return brings up the Export menu in case you wish to change your 
 mind on the format and the second return will bring you to the saving 
 dialog.  The Export dialog has a few Unknowns in it but if you Interact 
 with them, you will see what they pertain to, although you simply need to 
 press return the second time if you chose the correct format from the 
 sub-menu.  You will note that the filename will be the same as what you’ve 
 named it in Pages but will have a .DOCX as the extension.
 
 8.  Choose your destination from within the Save dialog and a Word 
 document will be created.
 
 This Word document can be eMailed or copied to other media and put into a 
 different computer that has the Word application.  To eMail it, do the 
 following:
 
 1.  Open a new message in Mail.
 2.  Adress and Subject the message.
 3.  Put in any text in the message area.
 4.  Press cmd-shift-a to Attach a file.
 5.  Locate the file from the Attach/Open dialog and press return to attach 
 it.
 
 An item will be placed into your message letting you know the name of t

Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[Jessica D]

i am using the exact same method of command shift a.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm.  I just created  anew Pages document, sent it to and from Gmail via one 
> of my non-GMail accounts and it worked every time.  I looked in Mail Prefs 
> and couldn’t see anything that to do with attachments that could be messing 
> with this.  Now, I attach files by pressing cmd-shift-a which brings up the 
> dialog, are you using the same method or are you dragging it from somewhere 
> into the body of the message?
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, this was a Macworld article I read but maybe that issue was taken care 
>> of or there is some other relevant variable.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>> thrown in the trash!
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind,
>> and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>> never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> As I mentioned yesterday, I send and have sent the newest Pages documents 
>>> via eMail without issue.  In fact, I sent a document yesterday for fun from 
>>> my Gmail account to my work account, which is a Google Apps for Education 
>>> account, so Gmail as well and it sent and was delivered without incident.
>>> 
>>> I will look at my settings a little closer to see if there’s something 
>>> within there that could be causing others’ problems.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Daniel Hawkins 
  wrote:
 
 April,
 
 Oh! You mean sending via email. Yes, since the new iWork update, Gmail 
 won’t reconize the new file format. Gmail have not updated yet, so it see 
 it as a security threat.
 Daniel Hawkins
 - Posted from my Macbook Pro
 
 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
 2.3 Quad-core i7
 4GB DDR3
 500GB HDD
 
 Dual Boot:
 Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:51 AM, April Brown  
> wrote:
> 
> I realize I wouldn't be able to open it on my Windows machine without 
> changing it.  Thanks for easy to follow directions.
> 
> However, I still couldn't email  Pages document to my husband's Mac, same 
> age as mine, under a month old.  In fact, the email wouldn't send because 
> it thought the document was a suspicious file.  Maybe some setting is set 
> wrong.  I don't know.  I just know Pages and Numbers documents cannot be 
> attached to email on either of our Macs.
> 
>> On Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:04:42 AM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi April,
>> 
>> First thing to note is that your Windows machine will not be able to 
>> open a .Pages document unless you have first made it into a different 
>> format readable by whatever application you have on your Windows 
>> machine.  Similarly, if you don’t have the Pages app on a different Mac, 
>> then you won’t be able to open that document on the other Mac either.  
>> On the Mac, you can set Pages to automatically open MSWord documents but 
>> the opposite isn’t true on Windows, MSWord will not open a Pages 
>> document at all.  So, for example, if you have MSWord on your Windows 
>> machine, then you’ll need to export your Pages document into Word 
>> format.  To accomplish this:
>> 
>> 1.  Open your Pages document on your Mac.
>> 2.  VO-m to access the menubar.
>> 3.  VO-right to the File menu.
>> 4.  VO-down to the Export item, which includes a sub-menu.
>> 5.  VO-right to activate the sub-menu.
>> 6.  VO-down to the Word option.
>> 7.  Press return twice.
>> 
>> The first return brings up the Export menu in case you wish to change 
>> your mind on the format and the second return will bring you to the 
>> saving dialog.  The Export dialog has a few Unknowns in it but if you 
>> Interact with them, you will see what they pertain to, although you 
>> simply need to press return the second time if you chose the correct 
>> format from the sub-menu.  You will note that the filename will be the 
>> same as what you’ve named it in Pages but will have a .DOCX as the 
>> extension.
>> 
>> 8.  Choose your destination from within the Save dialog and a Word 
>> document will be created.
>> 
>> This Word document can be eMailed or copied to other media and put into 
>> a different computer that has the Word application.  To eMail it, do the 
>> following:
>> 
>> 1

Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks

[Daniel Hawkins]

Hmmm.  I just created  anew Pages document, sent it to and from Gmail via one 
of my non-GMail accounts and it worked every time.  I looked in Mail Prefs and 
couldn’t see anything that to do with attachments that could be messing with 
this.  Now, I attach files by pressing cmd-shift-a which brings up the dialog, 
are you using the same method or are you dragging it from somewhere into the 
body of the message?

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> Well, this was a Macworld article I read but maybe that issue was taken care 
> of or there is some other relevant variable.
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> As I mentioned yesterday, I send and have sent the newest Pages documents 
>> via eMail without issue.  In fact, I sent a document yesterday for fun from 
>> my Gmail account to my work account, which is a Google Apps for Education 
>> account, so Gmail as well and it sent and was delivered without incident.
>> 
>> I will look at my settings a little closer to see if there’s something 
>> within there that could be causing others’ problems.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> April,
>>> 
>>> Oh! You mean sending via email. Yes, since the new iWork update, Gmail 
>>> won’t reconize the new file format. Gmail have not updated yet, so it see 
>>> it as a security threat.
>>> Daniel Hawkins
>>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>>> 
>>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>>> 4GB DDR3
>>> 500GB HDD
>>> 
>>> Dual Boot:
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:51 AM, April Brown  wrote:
>>> 
 I realize I wouldn't be able to open it on my Windows machine without 
 changing it.  Thanks for easy to follow directions.
 
 However, I still couldn't email  Pages document to my husband's Mac, same 
 age as mine, under a month old.  In fact, the email wouldn't send because 
 it thought the document was a suspicious file.  Maybe some setting is set 
 wrong.  I don't know.  I just know Pages and Numbers documents cannot be 
 attached to email on either of our Macs.
 
 On Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:04:42 AM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Hi April,
 
 First thing to note is that your Windows machine will not be able to open 
 a .Pages document unless you have first made it into a different format 
 readable by whatever application you have on your Windows machine.  
 Similarly, if you don’t have the Pages app on a different Mac, then you 
 won’t be able to open that document on the other Mac either.  On the Mac, 
 you can set Pages to automatically open MSWord documents but the opposite 
 isn’t true on Windows, MSWord will not open a Pages document at all.  So, 
 for example, if you have MSWord on your Windows machine, then you’ll need 
 to export your Pages document into Word format.  To accomplish this:
 
 1.  Open your Pages document on your Mac.
 2.  VO-m to access the menubar.
 3.  VO-right to the File menu.
 4.  VO-down to the Export item, which includes a sub-menu.
 5.  VO-right to activate the sub-menu.
 6.  VO-down to the Word option.
 7.  Press return twice.
 
 The first return brings up the Export menu in case you wish to change your 
 mind on the format and the second return will bring you to the saving 
 dialog.  The Export dialog has a few Unknowns in it but if you Interact 
 with them, you will see what they pertain to, although you simply need to 
 press return the second time if you chose the correct format from the 
 sub-menu.  You will note that the filename will be the same as what you’ve 
 named it in Pages but will have a .DOCX as the extension.
 
 8.  Choose your destination from within the Save dialog and a Word 
 document will be created.
 
 This Word document can be eMailed or copied to other media and put into a 
 different computer that has the Word application.  To eMail it, do the 
 following:
 
 1.  Open a new message in Mail.
 2.  Adress and Subject the message.
 3.  Put in any text in the message area.
 4.  Press cmd-shift-a to Attach a file.
 5.  Locate the file from the Attach/Open dialog and press return to attach 
 it.
 
 An item will be placed into your message letting you know the name of t

Re: Using Windows hard drives on the Mac

[Chris Blouch]

Are you trying to just recycle the space or are you trying to save 
what's on the XP drives? If you just want to wipe them and re-use them 
for extra storage on your Mac then you just need an external case. 
Whether it's USB or Firewire depends on what you're connecting it to and 
how fast you want it to go. The drives themselves are either IDE or SATA 
so you'll need to get an external case that can connect to whatever 
drive type you have. I have some old 250GB IDE drives in external 
Firewire cases which work just fine as backup storage.


CB

On 1/22/14 10:13 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

You can buy any enclosures and use the drives with no problems. However, the 
mac won't be able to write to them, only read from them. You'll have to either 
copy everything to a third drive, format the two, then copy it back, or copy 
everything to one drive, format it, copy everything to the newly formatted one, 
and format the other. Windows uses NTFS, and the Mac needs, I believe, Mac OS 
Extended. Both Windows and mac can read from each other's file systems, but 
neither can write to the other's. That's why I said the Mac can read your 
drives to copy the data off, but not write to them. So, you'll need to preserve 
your data somehow, then format the drives as the mac file system to make them 
Mac-only. If you want cross compatibility, go with FAT32, but note that files 
larger than 4gb will not be supported.
On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:


Hi:
Yeah, i could. I just want to use those USB. The drives are still good. If I 
couldn't use that internal one with the OS of Windows on it, I'd want to figure 
out how to distroy it so no one could get access to my data.

On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:11 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:


You could also buy an external drive now and copy the data files to it from 
your XP machine before you get the Mini.  I'm not sure whether Mac os reads the 
ntfs files system, but you could format the drive as fat32 to be on the safe 
side.

Chris
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Hi all:
I have an old XP machine with two internal hard drives. The main drive runs XP 
and has files on it. I have a Seagate internal drive in the machine as well. 
It's 250GB and is used to store data. In April when XP is discontinued, I'm 
probably going to buy a Mac mini to replace that desktop. Is there way I can 
buy a couple of drive enclosures to put around those internal drives so I can 
use them on my mini to access the data? Has anyone done this?


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Re: Ftp client for the mac.

[Chris Blouch]

Interesting. I have one machine running Mavericks which still has bash 
3.2.51 so Apple has stuck with the old rev for now. The chsh command 
lets you configure the shell for a particular user. Mine is set to 
/bin/bash. So if yours is pointing elsewhere (maybe /usr/local/bin/bash) 
you might be able to change back by just updating the shell path. Note 
that chsh command will want your admin password and then drops you into 
vi to edit the config file for your account. You can also set it in 
preferences in the terminal app itself. I think the terminal preferences 
trump your general login setup.


CB

On 1/22/14 9:55 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

Hmm, that doesn't hapen in bash 4.1, which a more techie friend said I needed 
to play a tintin mud gamuch, which was false.  When I upgraded to mavericks, 
4.1 was still there. I'm not sure how to get it back to the default.

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 18, 2014, at 23:36, Chris Blouch  wrote:


Don't forget about the tab key to autocomplete a filename. For example, if I 
need to cd into a directory called My Special Stuff, from the terminal I can 
type cd and then type My and then hit tab to have it match the rest, turning it 
into My\ Special\ Stuff/ and then I hit enter. If there is is more than one 
match it will ding and you can hit tab again to get a list. For example, when I 
fire up terminal I usually get dropped into ~/cblouch and I want to CD into 
Documents. To do that I type cd D tab and it dings to mean there are either no 
matches or multiple ones. So I hit tab again and it responds with Desktop/   
Documents/ Downloads/ which all start with D. So I type oc to the existing D to 
make it Doc and then hit tab again to complete it to be Documents/ and hit 
enter. The tab completion feature of the default bash shell is really handy.

CB

On 1/18/14 10:48 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

The problem I have with that is if a filename is long, its a pain to try to 
spell it.

Teresa Cochran  wrote:


You can also use FTP command-line in terminal. I haven’t done it in awhile, so 
I’d have to brush up, but it’s easy to google it.

HtH,
teresa

On Jan 18, 2014, at 6:21 AM, David Taylor  wrote:


Transmit is very good, it costs quite a bit but not found anything else 
anything like as accessible and easy to use.

Cheers
Dave

On 18 Jan 2014, at 13:26, Devin Prater  wrote:


If you can spare the money, transmit is good from what I've heard.

Tim Emmons  wrote:


Hi guys. I'm looking for a good ftp client for the mac thatworks well with 
voiceover. Any suggestions? I've tried filezilla but can't figure it out. 
Thanks for any help. I appreciate it.

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Camfind app for IOS

[Dan Rathburn]

Hello,

There has been some buzz about an Android app similar to Tap-tap-see called 
Camfind.  It turns out that there is an IOS version available as well.  I've 
tried it with my Ipod Touch 3G with very good results.  It's free so give it 
a try.


Regards,

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Re: Ftp and Terminal mode

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ftp knows how to do DNS lookups all on its own, so you should be able to 
just do "ftp www.someplace.com" and it will try to connect there and 
then prompt you for a username and password. A full ftp url would be 
formatted like this:


ftp://username:passw...@somedomain.com:port/path

So if you step through your URL you should be able to pick the various 
pieces out that you need to do an ftp from the terminal. Note that the 
port number is optional so you might not have one. If there is no 
username in the URL then it is defaulting to "anonymous"


Hope this helps.

CB

On 1/22/14 1:33 AM, Daniela Rubio wrote:

Hello
Please, can somebody give a hand to start an FTP by terminal? I have some 
instructions, but it says that I need to wright the FTP’s IP address and the 
only thing I have is an FTP link, the address that one uses as a host on an FTP 
client.
Thank you very much for your help!
Best
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El 21/01/2014, a las 16:31, Tim Emmons  escribió:


Hi guys, got a question. I haven't had any great luck with any of the free Ftp 
clients as of yet, filezilla doesn't seem tow irk or maybe I'm missing 
something on the setup, not sure, cyberduck might work but I can't seem to get 
the download to work, but I am able to get into ftp using terminal. Once I've 
established a connection, got to a main directory say for instance books, and 
then the directory is divided into letters of the alphabet showing the author's 
first name, how do I first navigate to that directory list, and then how do I 
get a book from that author's particular listing. I am sort of new, but I like 
the terminal approach but just trying to learn. Thanks for any help. take care 
and talk to you soon.

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Re: Using Windows hard drives on the Mac

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
The 2ndary drive I'd like the use as storage, as well as access the content of 
the drive. The Internal drive that houses XP, I can reformat it and use as a 
backup. How do you tell which type of connection the internal dries have?
On Jan 23, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> Are you trying to just recycle the space or are you trying to save what's on 
> the XP drives? If you just want to wipe them and re-use them for extra 
> storage on your Mac then you just need an external case. Whether it's USB or 
> Firewire depends on what you're connecting it to and how fast you want it to 
> go. The drives themselves are either IDE or SATA so you'll need to get an 
> external case that can connect to whatever drive type you have. I have some 
> old 250GB IDE drives in external Firewire cases which work just fine as 
> backup storage.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/22/14 10:13 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> You can buy any enclosures and use the drives with no problems. However, the 
>> mac won't be able to write to them, only read from them. You'll have to 
>> either copy everything to a third drive, format the two, then copy it back, 
>> or copy everything to one drive, format it, copy everything to the newly 
>> formatted one, and format the other. Windows uses NTFS, and the Mac needs, I 
>> believe, Mac OS Extended. Both Windows and mac can read from each other's 
>> file systems, but neither can write to the other's. That's why I said the 
>> Mac can read your drives to copy the data off, but not write to them. So, 
>> you'll need to preserve your data somehow, then format the drives as the mac 
>> file system to make them Mac-only. If you want cross compatibility, go with 
>> FAT32, but note that files larger than 4gb will not be supported.
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> Yeah, i could. I just want to use those USB. The drives are still good. If 
>>> I couldn't use that internal one with the OS of Windows on it, I'd want to 
>>> figure out how to distroy it so no one could get access to my data.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:11 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>>> 
 You could also buy an external drive now and copy the data files to it 
 from your XP machine before you get the Mini.  I'm not sure whether Mac os 
 reads the ntfs files system, but you could format the drive as fat32 to be 
 on the safe side.
 
 Chris
 On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
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> Hi all:
> I have an old XP machine with two internal hard drives. The main drive 
> runs XP and has files on it. I have a Seagate internal drive in the 
> machine as well. It's 250GB and is used to store data. In April when XP 
> is discontinued, I'm probably going to buy a Mac mini to replace that 
> desktop. Is there way I can buy a couple of drive enclosures to put 
> around those internal drives so I can use them on my mini to access the 
> data? Has anyone done this?
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Re: Preview nightmare

[Christine Grassman]

I have been using this pdf literally for two months. It never had a password, 
and it is not requesting one.
Christine

On Jan 23, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Isaac Hebert  wrote:

> The pdf might require a pasSent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:58 PM, word.Christine Grassman 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good day/night all. I have a pdf file that, up until a few days ago, would 
>> open readily and which I could read with no problem. Suddenly, whenever I 
>> open it, it lists "page 1 of 105" and there is no text.  I cannot interact.  
>> I cannot switch to another page.  I have rebooted the computer.  I have 
>> checked the preferences. I have interacted with the tool bar, interacted 
>> with the scroll area. I have mailed a copy and tried reopening it. Nothing. 
>> I get a bunch of options such as "rotate," "Mark-up," "edit," "zoom in," and 
>> "zoom out," -- I get an edit option and a search option. (The latter does 
>> not find anything I type in, regardless of whether I know for certain that 
>> the content exists. All I want is to get into the darned file and read it. I 
>> have opened other pdf files successfully since this occurred. This is a file 
>> to which I must have access; I would sincerely appreciate assistance. Thank 
>> you.
>> Christine
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Re: Preview nightmare

[Christine Grassman]

I have "continuous scroll" check in the View menu, and "text only". 
Christine

On Jan 23, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You may wish to check which view you’re set to.  That is, under the View menu 
> while in Preview, there was a time when Preview documents did not display 
> properly in Single page view.  This appears to be fixed in my installation 
> but it’s a straw to grasp.
> 
> Later…
>  
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
>> Good day/night all. I have a pdf file that, up until a few days ago, would 
>> open readily and which I could read with no problem. Suddenly, whenever I 
>> open it, it lists "page 1 of 105" and there is no text.  I cannot interact.  
>> I cannot switch to another page.  I have rebooted the computer.  I have 
>> checked the preferences. I have interacted with the tool bar, interacted 
>> with the scroll area. I have mailed a copy and tried reopening it. Nothing. 
>> I get a bunch of options such as "rotate," "Mark-up," "edit," "zoom in," and 
>> "zoom out," -- I get an edit option and a search option. (The latter does 
>> not find anything I type in, regardless of whether I know for certain that 
>> the content exists. All I want is to get into the darned file and read it. I 
>> have opened other pdf files successfully since this occurred. This is a file 
>> to which I must have access; I would sincerely appreciate assistance. Thank 
>> you.
>> Christine
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Re: documentation on braille displays

[Scott B.]

Here is a link to the keyboard commands for IOS devices right now.

http://http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4400


On 01/23/2014 10:04, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hi, Display specific documentation is available in the apple 
knowledgebace for some displays and in the manual for other displays, 
and not at all for still other displays.  Good luck and happy googling.



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On 2014-01-22, at 9:05 PM, "Scott B." > wrote:



Hey guys,

Is there speciic documentation on particular Braille displays for 
Mavericks?  I want to know how the whiz wheels and such are used in 
Maverick on a Focus 40 braill?



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Preported new VO support on iCloud-based iWork suite

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
Today, Apple rolled out an update to iWork on iCloud.com. One improvement they 
claim to have made is better Voiceover support. I tried creating a document 
just now, and nothing happened. Well, I could see all the formatting options, 
but there was no place to simply type my text. Am I missing something obvious, 
or is the VO support not as good as Apple thinks it is? At least they are 
making an effort to improve accessibility, which I applaud. Still, if it isn't 
there yet, we need to let them know. So, if you all could check me on this and 
make sure I'm not doing something wrong, that'd be great. Thanks.


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Re: Preported new VO support on iCloud-based iWork suite

[Justin Mann]

Hi Alex,

The voiceover support is indeed there.  You have to interact with an html 
content area after you’ve decided to create the document.  The VO support is 
not perfect, as there is a bit of a delay when editing a document, but it does 
work at the very least adequate enough so that one can edit a document if it is 
shared etc.   Again, If I were editing a document, I would primarily use 
pages/numbers on my mac.  However, if I need to access the document that I’d 
been working on from another computer, this would definitely suffice.
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> Hi all,
> Today, Apple rolled out an update to iWork on iCloud.com. One improvement 
> they claim to have made is better Voiceover support. I tried creating a 
> document just now, and nothing happened. Well, I could see all the formatting 
> options, but there was no place to simply type my text. Am I missing 
> something obvious, or is the VO support not as good as Apple thinks it is? At 
> least they are making an effort to improve accessibility, which I applaud. 
> Still, if it isn't there yet, we need to let them know. So, if you all could 
> check me on this and make sure I'm not doing something wrong, that'd be 
> great. Thanks.
> 
> 
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> mehg...@gmail.com
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Re: Preported new VO support on iCloud-based iWork suite

[Alex Hall]

VO automatically interacts with html areas when pages load, so I know I am on 
the page. I have a whole bunch of formatting options, style and spacing 
settings, and even a toolbar, along with a disturbingly large number of 
unlabeled buttons. However, there is no empty edit field for me to type text. 
Where in the mess of unlabeled controls and labeled, but still disorganized, 
items is the edit field hiding? Am I in the wrong place somehow? I thought 
maybe there were multiple frames, but uninteracting with the place I'm in now 
takes me out of the webpage entirely. I must be missing something obvious here, 
but I can't imagine what. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. I don't own 
Pages for iOS or mac, as I rarely need to use it and it is 430 I can better 
spend elsewhere, but I thought I'd give the online version a shot to see if it 
is viable.
On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:51 PM, Justin Mann  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> The voiceover support is indeed there.  You have to interact with an html 
> content area after you’ve decided to create the document.  The VO support is 
> not perfect, as there is a bit of a delay when editing a document, but it 
> does work at the very least adequate enough so that one can edit a document 
> if it is shared etc.   Again, If I were editing a document, I would primarily 
> use pages/numbers on my mac.  However, if I need to access the document that 
> I’d been working on from another computer, this would definitely suffice.
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> Today, Apple rolled out an update to iWork on iCloud.com. One improvement 
>> they claim to have made is better Voiceover support. I tried creating a 
>> document just now, and nothing happened. Well, I could see all the 
>> formatting options, but there was no place to simply type my text. Am I 
>> missing something obvious, or is the VO support not as good as Apple thinks 
>> it is? At least they are making an effort to improve accessibility, which I 
>> applaud. Still, if it isn't there yet, we need to let them know. So, if you 
>> all could check me on this and make sure I'm not doing something wrong, 
>> that'd be great. Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: Preported new VO support on iCloud-based iWork suite

[Jessica D]

You cannot use the online version without the mac or ios version.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> VO automatically interacts with html areas when pages load, so I know I am on 
> the page. I have a whole bunch of formatting options, style and spacing 
> settings, and even a toolbar, along with a disturbingly large number of 
> unlabeled buttons. However, there is no empty edit field for me to type text. 
> Where in the mess of unlabeled controls and labeled, but still disorganized, 
> items is the edit field hiding? Am I in the wrong place somehow? I thought 
> maybe there were multiple frames, but uninteracting with the place I'm in now 
> takes me out of the webpage entirely. I must be missing something obvious 
> here, but I can't imagine what. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. I 
> don't own Pages for iOS or mac, as I rarely need to use it and it is 430 I 
> can better spend elsewhere, but I thought I'd give the online version a shot 
> to see if it is viable.
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:51 PM, Justin Mann  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> The voiceover support is indeed there.  You have to interact with an html 
>> content area after you’ve decided to create the document.  The VO support is 
>> not perfect, as there is a bit of a delay when editing a document, but it 
>> does work at the very least adequate enough so that one can edit a document 
>> if it is shared etc.   Again, If I were editing a document, I would 
>> primarily use pages/numbers on my mac.  However, if I need to access the 
>> document that I’d been working on from another computer, this would 
>> definitely suffice.
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Today, Apple rolled out an update to iWork on iCloud.com. One improvement 
>>> they claim to have made is better Voiceover support. I tried creating a 
>>> document just now, and nothing happened. Well, I could see all the 
>>> formatting options, but there was no place to simply type my text. Am I 
>>> missing something obvious, or is the VO support not as good as Apple thinks 
>>> it is? At least they are making an effort to improve accessibility, which I 
>>> applaud. Still, if it isn't there yet, we need to let them know. So, if you 
>>> all could check me on this and make sure I'm not doing something wrong, 
>>> that'd be great. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Preported new VO support on iCloud-based iWork suite

[Alex Hall]

Are you sure? It come up, it lists documents (well, the one blank one I made), 
and I see no warnings about anything. I wonder if that restriction was removed 
when iWork went free for new iOS7 and Mavericks machines?
On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> You cannot use the online version without the mac or ios version.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> VO automatically interacts with html areas when pages load, so I know I am 
>> on the page. I have a whole bunch of formatting options, style and spacing 
>> settings, and even a toolbar, along with a disturbingly large number of 
>> unlabeled buttons. However, there is no empty edit field for me to type 
>> text. Where in the mess of unlabeled controls and labeled, but still 
>> disorganized, items is the edit field hiding? Am I in the wrong place 
>> somehow? I thought maybe there were multiple frames, but uninteracting with 
>> the place I'm in now takes me out of the webpage entirely. I must be missing 
>> something obvious here, but I can't imagine what. Thanks for any help anyone 
>> can provide. I don't own Pages for iOS or mac, as I rarely need to use it 
>> and it is 430 I can better spend elsewhere, but I thought I'd give the 
>> online version a shot to see if it is viable.
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:51 PM, Justin Mann  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> The voiceover support is indeed there.  You have to interact with an html 
>>> content area after you’ve decided to create the document.  The VO support 
>>> is not perfect, as there is a bit of a delay when editing a document, but 
>>> it does work at the very least adequate enough so that one can edit a 
>>> document if it is shared etc.   Again, If I were editing a document, I 
>>> would primarily use pages/numbers on my mac.  However, if I need to access 
>>> the document that I’d been working on from another computer, this would 
>>> definitely suffice.
 On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Today, Apple rolled out an update to iWork on iCloud.com. One improvement 
 they claim to have made is better Voiceover support. I tried creating a 
 document just now, and nothing happened. Well, I could see all the 
 formatting options, but there was no place to simply type my text. Am I 
 missing something obvious, or is the VO support not as good as Apple 
 thinks it is? At least they are making an effort to improve accessibility, 
 which I applaud. Still, if it isn't there yet, we need to let them know. 
 So, if you all could check me on this and make sure I'm not doing 
 something wrong, that'd be great. Thanks.
 
 
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Re: Preported new VO support on iCloud-based iWork suite

[Francisco Salvador Crespo]

Hello,

Apple has partially updated iWork for iCloud. You can see changes only on 
document selector, they haven’t updated the rest yet

Regards,
El 23/01/2014, a las 23:32, Alex Hall  escribió:

> Are you sure? It come up, it lists documents (well, the one blank one I 
> made), and I see no warnings about anything. I wonder if that restriction was 
> removed when iWork went free for new iOS7 and Mavericks machines?
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
> 
>> You cannot use the online version without the mac or ios version.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> VO automatically interacts with html areas when pages load, so I know I am 
>>> on the page. I have a whole bunch of formatting options, style and spacing 
>>> settings, and even a toolbar, along with a disturbingly large number of 
>>> unlabeled buttons. However, there is no empty edit field for me to type 
>>> text. Where in the mess of unlabeled controls and labeled, but still 
>>> disorganized, items is the edit field hiding? Am I in the wrong place 
>>> somehow? I thought maybe there were multiple frames, but uninteracting with 
>>> the place I'm in now takes me out of the webpage entirely. I must be 
>>> missing something obvious here, but I can't imagine what. Thanks for any 
>>> help anyone can provide. I don't own Pages for iOS or mac, as I rarely need 
>>> to use it and it is 430 I can better spend elsewhere, but I thought I'd 
>>> give the online version a shot to see if it is viable.
 On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:51 PM, Justin Mann  wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 The voiceover support is indeed there.  You have to interact with an html 
 content area after you’ve decided to create the document.  The VO support 
 is not perfect, as there is a bit of a delay when editing a document, but 
 it does work at the very least adequate enough so that one can edit a 
 document if it is shared etc.   Again, If I were editing a document, I 
 would primarily use pages/numbers on my mac.  However, if I need to access 
 the document that I’d been working on from another computer, this would 
 definitely suffice.
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Today, Apple rolled out an update to iWork on iCloud.com. One improvement 
> they claim to have made is better Voiceover support. I tried creating a 
> document just now, and nothing happened. Well, I could see all the 
> formatting options, but there was no place to simply type my text. Am I 
> missing something obvious, or is the VO support not as good as Apple 
> thinks it is? At least they are making an effort to improve 
> accessibility, which I applaud. Still, if it isn't there yet, we need to 
> let them know. So, if you all could check me on this and make sure I'm 
> not doing something wrong, that'd be great. Thanks.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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>>> 
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Re: Preported new VO support on iCloud-based iWork suite

[Daniel Hawkins]

Yes! they fixed the Export dialouge problem! I can now export Numbers and Pages 
files.
Daniel Hawkins
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iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
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Dual Boot:
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On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Francisco Salvador Crespo 
 wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Apple has partially updated iWork for iCloud. You can see changes only on 
> document selector, they haven't updated the rest yet
> 
> Regards,
> El 23/01/2014, a las 23:32, Alex Hall  escribió:
> 
>> Are you sure? It come up, it lists documents (well, the one blank one I 
>> made), and I see no warnings about anything. I wonder if that restriction 
>> was removed when iWork went free for new iOS7 and Mavericks machines?
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>>> You cannot use the online version without the mac or ios version.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 VO automatically interacts with html areas when pages load, so I know I am 
 on the page. I have a whole bunch of formatting options, style and spacing 
 settings, and even a toolbar, along with a disturbingly large number of 
 unlabeled buttons. However, there is no empty edit field for me to type 
 text. Where in the mess of unlabeled controls and labeled, but still 
 disorganized, items is the edit field hiding? Am I in the wrong place 
 somehow? I thought maybe there were multiple frames, but uninteracting 
 with the place I'm in now takes me out of the webpage entirely. I must be 
 missing something obvious here, but I can't imagine what. Thanks for any 
 help anyone can provide. I don't own Pages for iOS or mac, as I rarely 
 need to use it and it is 430 I can better spend elsewhere, but I thought 
 I'd give the online version a shot to see if it is viable.
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:51 PM, Justin Mann  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> The voiceover support is indeed there.  You have to interact with an html 
> content area after you've decided to create the document.  The VO support 
> is not perfect, as there is a bit of a delay when editing a document, but 
> it does work at the very least adequate enough so that one can edit a 
> document if it is shared etc.   Again, If I were editing a document, I 
> would primarily use pages/numbers on my mac.  However, if I need to 
> access the document that I'd been working on from another computer, this 
> would definitely suffice.
>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Today, Apple rolled out an update to iWork on iCloud.com. One 
>> improvement they claim to have made is better Voiceover support. I tried 
>> creating a document just now, and nothing happened. Well, I could see 
>> all the formatting options, but there was no place to simply type my 
>> text. Am I missing something obvious, or is the VO support not as good 
>> as Apple thinks it is? At least they are making an effort to improve 
>> accessibility, which I applaud. Still, if it isn't there yet, we need to 
>> let them know. So, if you all could check me on this and make sure I'm 
>> not doing something wrong, that'd be great. Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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receiving mail on an iPad from one account only

[Agent086b]

Hello,
at last I have created an iCloud alias. I now have two iCloud accounts. The 
alias is my wife’s email address. How do I make the iPad only download mail 
from the alias account? At the moment it is downloading from both accounts.
Thanks as always for any help.
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Re: Popup Menus in Numbers

[Nicholas Parsons]

Wow, Tim, so obscure but worked like a charm! You're a genius (or at least very 
meticulous and patient). :) I thought the days of Nokia phones without screen 
readers was bad enough, remembering how many presses of each key to call 
someone or send a message, but you make that look easy. I felt silly enough 
counting 85–90 presses to the right, can't imagine 200 plus.

Anyway, I'm thrilled at least to be able to use popup menus now. Thanks for 
your help!

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Re: Anyone else have a problem with the contextual menu

[Vic]

Hey Brian.
Any time I have problems with context menus or, generally, when VO cursor 
misbehaves, I go to the list of windows and make sure there is no system 
alert stuck in there. Press VO+F2 twice to get to the list.
I think it's a long-standing problem with Mac OS and VOiceOver.


On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:04:01 PM UTC-8, Brian Fischler wrote:
>
> Ok this problem is really strange as I am only having the issue with the 
> contextual menu in iTunes, in mail the contextual menu works fine. Very 
> bizarre, as I can’t choose anything in the contextual menu in iTunes, and 
> it worked fine this morning. 
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Brian Fischler > 
> wrote: 
>
> > I am having a strange issue with the contextual menu in iTunes and 
> wanted to see if anyone else has had this happen and if so figured a work 
> around. When I open the contextual menu focus jumps to a submenu and I 
> cannot choose anything else. For example, I am trying to add a song to a 
> playlist but when I open the contextual menu the menu jumps to star rating 
> and the submenu and I cannot get out of it. This has now happened two days 
> in a row and quitting iTunes and cycling V 
>
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Latest Keynote update enables working in a "slideshow" mode

[Vic]

Those of you using Keynote for your work or fun, will be happy to know that 
today's update to the Mac OS version of the Keynote app makes it possible 
to read slides while in a slideshow mode.
This fix certainly made my day! :)

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Re: Latest Keynote update enables working in a "slideshow" mode

[Nicholas Parsons]

Woot woot! That's awesome! Thanks for sharing! I know I shouldn't increase list 
traffic unnecessarily like this but that's just such great news I had to... 
Let's just hope these kind of improvements keep coming without introducing new 
bugs and limitations...

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Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi Jessica,
The steps are a little complicated and depend on what device etcetera you have 
and other settings. It also depends on how you have your gMail account set up 
(e.g. as a gMail account, an IMAP account or a Microsoft Exchange account—all 
are possible on iOS). If you go to Mail, Contacts and Calendars Settings on 
your iOS device, tap your gMail account, you might be able to find the setting 
to delete rather than archive there. If it's not there, try tapping on your 
email address to open advanced settings, or an advanced settings button. Sorry 
I'm unable to give you exact instructions at the moment.
In Apple Mail, you shouldn't have to tell it to delete rather than archive. But 
to make sure, you should find your gMail bin/trash mailbox in the mailbox list. 
It should be in the Google Mail subfolder of your gMail account. If it's not 
there, then you probably can skip this step. If it's there, select it, then 
choose the mailbox menu, use mailbox for, trash. Again, sorry I can't give you 
the exact instructions right now but a little common sense should get you 
there. Then, you can check under mailbox behaviours tab of the accounts pane of 
Mail preferences. Make sure that send deleted messages to the trash mailbox is 
checked. Also make sure store deleted messages on the server is checked. 
Lastly, you can choose after how long you want your trashed messages to be 
permanently erased.
If you're still unclear after this, I recommend the books Take Control of Apple 
Mail in Mountain Lion and Take Control of Mail on your iPad, iPhone and iPod 
Touch. Both are by Joe Kissel and are published by TidBits. They are excellent 
resources and are how I learnt to use Apple Mail effectively.
Best,
Nic

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