date:20131214

Wow, Gigi, that's just crazy!  I can't imagine why that happened, my 
BrailleEdge paired with my 5S right away with no problems at all.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 14, 2013, at 5:24 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there again 
> I didn't using the spacebar to select files and deleting them all at once. 
> You learn something new everyday, never mind I've had this display for over a 
> year now. I guess that means you can delete those ghost files. 
> 
> I do have some information, however, about pairing problems with the Braille 
> Edge 40. This happened to me, and I have no idea why. I went to the office 
> HIMS office and worked on this with Mike. I guess we spent about two hours on 
> this, and then we ended up calling that wonderful 877 number. 
> 
> My Braille Edgge 40 liked every device, except my 5 s iPhone, so there is 
> probably not something wrong with your Braille Edge, at least mine didn't end 
> up needing repair for the same problem you are having. 
> 
> You won't like to hear this, but I had to erase all my settings on the 
> iPhone. I'm talking about restoring it, so don't do that unless you find you 
> have to. You might go into settings and write down all the ones you can find 
> that you changed from the defaults. Oh, yes, make sure you have written 
> somewhere your Internet passwords. Then set your settings back to factory. 
> You don't have to erase all your data on your iPhone, just your settings. If 
> you're concerned about doing that and losing all your stuff, you might want 
> to call Apple Accessibility at 877-204-3930. If your equipment is too old, 
> like you've had your iPhone for too long, for instance, and Apple charges you 
> the $20, it will be worth it. It costed me a lot more than that to find out 
> what was wrong with my Braille Edge. I made a trip to Austin. I did visit a 
> friend, but I had to pay cab fare etc. to go to the HIMS office. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:16 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
> wrote:
> 
>> You can just select files by pressing space on them. Then d chord will 
>> delete all selected files.
>> I too have tried deleting that top folder to my cost. you just have to 
>> ignore the ghost files and that funny folder. It’s something the Mac puts 
>> there for its own reasons I don’t understand.
>> Can’t help you with the pairing issue as I’ve had no trouble pairing my 
>> Braille Edge with my iPhone. Sorry…
>> 
>> 
>> Lisette
>> 
>> On 14/12/2013, at 12:43 pm, Desi Noller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Gigi,
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for your help!  Do you know if there is a way to delete 
>>> multiple files?
>>> 
>>> Desi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 No it is not the number 80. It is
 
 ", And I'm not sure why that choice was made but you can just ignore it. 
 As for the ghost files as far as I know you get them what do you want them 
 or not. You can just delete the things and fine or you can ignore them 
 
 And when you want to get a file, just type in the first letter of the 
 filename and it will go past all those things. Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Desi Noller  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I just acquired a Braille Edge 40, and one of the things I did almost 
> immediately, was to copy some files from my iMac on to an SD card.  I 
> placed the card in the Braille Edge, and while my folder structure was 
> perfect, I noticed that there were two versions of every file I had 
> placed there!  One of the file names had a bunch of underline symbols in 
> them, while the other version didn’t.  When I tried to open the ones with 
> the extra symbols, I saw “Mac OSX followed by a bunch of stuff I couldn’t 
> interpret.  When I opened the files that had no extra symbols, they 
> looked perfectly normal and were just as I expected them to be.  I also 
> forgot to mention, that the top two folder names in my Braille Edge 
> NotePad were designated by only a pair of quotes and did not seem to 
> open.  I deleted all of the extra versions of my own files, leaving only 
> the accurate versions on my card, and then I decided in order to tidy 
> things up I would delete the folders with the quotes.  That was 
> definitely a mistake!  When the delete was completed, I got the chilling 
> message “No Items.”  Copying them back on to my card from my iMac won’t 
> be a problem, but how do I make sure that all of those “Ghost” files 
> don’t come back?  Furthermore, what are the files that were designated by 
> just the pair of quotes, or what could also have been the number 80?  
> 
> Also, when I tried to pair my Braille Edge with my iPhone 4S following 
> the instructions on the HIMS web site, I got a message saying, “Unable to 
> load driver.”  I’m running version 1.1, I don’t remember the exact build 
> number, but I think it came out in September.

great news regarding the Nest thermostat

Hello all,

First, please excuse the cross-posting, but I thought this would be of interest 
to people on both lists.

I just wanted to let people know that the recent update to the Nest app for 
iPhone has become *much more accessible.  Though the button labeling is a bit 
unintuitive, Voiceover now reads the labels.  I can reliably raise and lower 
the temperature, and switch from cool to heat to off.  It also looks like it's 
now possible to set your schedule, though I haven't figured out how yet.  But 
you can see each day, in two hour increments.  With this latest update, I would 
definitely recommend it to anyone who is interested.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: skype on the mac

Still using mountain lion, skype works great here. Not using mavericks yet, I 
always prefer to wait until at least the first major update before going to a 
new operating system.
On Dec 13, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> Hi all!
> Does anyone here use skype on the mac and if so have you noticed it taking a 
> really long time to load and being sluggish?  I have Mavericks and recently 
> upgraded skype.  Now it takes almost 30 seconds or so to load and able to be 
> used.  This is so slow for mac software.  Just wondered if anybody else might 
> be having that problem.
> Jim
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emogees break Voiceover

2013-12-14 Thread John D. Lipsey

Hey guys:

Every time I come across an emogee item, unless it's at the end of a 
message/tweet etc, voiceover seems to just pass right over the item in 
question. By item in question, I mean the entire message/tweet etc.

Is there a way to fix this issue? I'm running Mavericks on a brand new 13 inch 
MacBook Air.

Thanks in advance.

-John

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Re: Questions About Using The Braille Edge With Files Produced On The Mac

2013-12-14 Thread Desi Noller

Hi Lisette,

Thanks so much for your help!  I should have remembered that command because 
it’s just like on the Braille Sense Plus I used to have.  The odd thing is that 
I now have 3 of those funny folders at the top of my list, but I guess I dare 
not delete any of them since I don’t want to take a chance!  :)  At least I can 
get rid of all the other ghost files though!

Desi

On Dec 14, 2013, at 1:16 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> You can just select files by pressing space on them. Then d chord will delete 
> all selected files.
> I too have tried deleting that top folder to my cost. you just have to ignore 
> the ghost files and that funny folder. It’s something the Mac puts there for 
> its own reasons I don’t understand.
> Can’t help you with the pairing issue as I’ve had no trouble pairing my 
> Braille Edge with my iPhone. Sorry…
> 
> 
> Lisette
> 
> On 14/12/2013, at 12:43 pm, Desi Noller  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gigi,
>> 
>> Thanks so much for your help!  Do you know if there is a way to delete 
>> multiple files?
>> 
>> Desi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> No it is not the number 80. It is
>>> 
>>> ", And I'm not sure why that choice was made but you can just ignore it. As 
>>> for the ghost files as far as I know you get them what do you want them or 
>>> not. You can just delete the things and fine or you can ignore them 
>>> 
>>> And when you want to get a file, just type in the first letter of the 
>>> filename and it will go past all those things. Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 13, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Desi Noller  wrote:

 Hi Everyone,

 I just acquired a Braille Edge 40, and one of the things I did almost 
 immediately, was to copy some files from my iMac on to an SD card.  I 
 placed the card in the Braille Edge, and while my folder structure was 
 perfect, I noticed that there were two versions of every file I had placed 
 there!  One of the file names had a bunch of underline symbols in them, 
 while the other version didn’t.  When I tried to open the ones with the 
 extra symbols, I saw “Mac OSX followed by a bunch of stuff I couldn’t 
 interpret.  When I opened the files that had no extra symbols, they looked 
 perfectly normal and were just as I expected them to be.  I also forgot to 
 mention, that the top two folder names in my Braille Edge NotePad were 
 designated by only a pair of quotes and did not seem to open.  I deleted 
 all of the extra versions of my own files, leaving only the accurate 
 versions on my card, and then I decided in order to tidy things up I would 
 delete the folders with the quotes.  That was definitely a mistake!  When 
 the delete was completed, I got the chilling message “No Items.”  Copying 
 them back on to my card from my iMac won’t be a problem, but how do I make 
 sure that all of those “Ghost” files don’t come back?  Furthermore, what 
 are the files that were designated by just the pair of quotes, or what 
 could also have been the number 80?  

 Also, when I tried to pair my Braille Edge with my iPhone 4S following the 
 instructions on the HIMS web site, I got a message saying, “Unable to load 
 driver.”  I’m running version 1.1, I don’t remember the exact build 
 number, but I think it came out in September.  Any help with these issues 
 would be most appreciated!

 Desi

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Re: Questions About Using The Braille Edge With Files Produced On The Mac

2013-12-14 Thread Desi Noller

Hi Gigi,

That sounds like a nightmare for sure!  I think I’ll wait awhile to do a reset 
of my phone!  I would, of course, love to be able to pair it with my Braille 
Edge, but it isn’t the highest priority for me, or really even why I got the 
Braille Edge.  I do still have AppleCare on my phone, so could call for help if 
and when I decide to do it!  Thanks again so much for your help!

Desi



On Dec 14, 2013, at 4:24 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there again 
> I didn't using the spacebar to select files and deleting them all at once. 
> You learn something new everyday, never mind I've had this display for over a 
> year now. I guess that means you can delete those ghost files. 
> 
> I do have some information, however, about pairing problems with the Braille 
> Edge 40. This happened to me, and I have no idea why. I went to the office 
> HIMS office and worked on this with Mike. I guess we spent about two hours on 
> this, and then we ended up calling that wonderful 877 number. 
> 
> My Braille Edgge 40 liked every device, except my 5 s iPhone, so there is 
> probably not something wrong with your Braille Edge, at least mine didn't end 
> up needing repair for the same problem you are having. 
> 
> You won't like to hear this, but I had to erase all my settings on the 
> iPhone. I'm talking about restoring it, so don't do that unless you find you 
> have to. You might go into settings and write down all the ones you can find 
> that you changed from the defaults. Oh, yes, make sure you have written 
> somewhere your Internet passwords. Then set your settings back to factory. 
> You don't have to erase all your data on your iPhone, just your settings. If 
> you're concerned about doing that and losing all your stuff, you might want 
> to call Apple Accessibility at 877-204-3930. If your equipment is too old, 
> like you've had your iPhone for too long, for instance, and Apple charges you 
> the $20, it will be worth it. It costed me a lot more than that to find out 
> what was wrong with my Braille Edge. I made a trip to Austin. I did visit a 
> friend, but I had to pay cab fare etc. to go to the HIMS office. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:16 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
> wrote:
> 
>> You can just select files by pressing space on them. Then d chord will 
>> delete all selected files.
>> I too have tried deleting that top folder to my cost. you just have to 
>> ignore the ghost files and that funny folder. It’s something the Mac puts 
>> there for its own reasons I don’t understand.
>> Can’t help you with the pairing issue as I’ve had no trouble pairing my 
>> Braille Edge with my iPhone. Sorry…
>> 
>> 
>> Lisette
>> 
>> On 14/12/2013, at 12:43 pm, Desi Noller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Gigi,
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for your help!  Do you know if there is a way to delete 
>>> multiple files?
>>> 
>>> Desi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 No it is not the number 80. It is
 
 ", And I'm not sure why that choice was made but you can just ignore it. 
 As for the ghost files as far as I know you get them what do you want them 
 or not. You can just delete the things and fine or you can ignore them 
 
 And when you want to get a file, just type in the first letter of the 
 filename and it will go past all those things. Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Desi Noller  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I just acquired a Braille Edge 40, and one of the things I did almost 
> immediately, was to copy some files from my iMac on to an SD card.  I 
> placed the card in the Braille Edge, and while my folder structure was 
> perfect, I noticed that there were two versions of every file I had 
> placed there!  One of the file names had a bunch of underline symbols in 
> them, while the other version didn’t.  When I tried to open the ones with 
> the extra symbols, I saw “Mac OSX followed by a bunch of stuff I couldn’t 
> interpret.  When I opened the files that had no extra symbols, they 
> looked perfectly normal and were just as I expected them to be.  I also 
> forgot to mention, that the top two folder names in my Braille Edge 
> NotePad were designated by only a pair of quotes and did not seem to 
> open.  I deleted all of the extra versions of my own files, leaving only 
> the accurate versions on my card, and then I decided in order to tidy 
> things up I would delete the folders with the quotes.  That was 
> definitely a mistake!  When the delete was completed, I got the chilling 
> message “No Items.”  Copying them back on to my card from my iMac won’t 
> be a problem, but how do I make sure that all of those “Ghost” files 
> don’t come back?  Furthermore, what are the files that were designated by 
> just the pair of quotes, or what could also have been the number 80?  
> 
> Also, when I tried to pair my Bra

Re: Command Line: How to Upgrade Macports?

2013-12-14 Thread Barry Hadder

Hi Teresa,

If you are using Mavericks, you will need to download the new install package 
from the macports sight.
You probably need to update XCode as well if you don’t have 5 installed.
Hope that helps.

On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

Hi, all,

I have not even done a selfupdate for Macports in so long I don’t remeker the 
last time I did it. When I try a selfupdate I get an error message about 
execution failure. Is there another command I can use, or do I need to download 
a package via another means?

Thanks,
Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

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Creating a ring tone using your own music?

2013-12-14 Thread Chenelle Hancock

Hello everyone, I have a friend that just purchased an iPhone 5c! However, she 
doesn't know how to create a ring tone using her own music from her library? 
What are the steps to create your own ring tone? Thank you so much have a great 
day

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:20 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
> 
>   Today's Topic Summary
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
> 
> Questions About Using The Braille Edge With Files Produced On The Mac [5 
> Updates]
> emogees break Voiceover [1 Update]
> skype on the mac [3 Updates]
> great news regarding the Nest thermostat [1 Update]
> Turning off Conversations in Mavericks Mail [3 Updates]
> broadcasting on the mac [3 Updates]
> Mail Filters [3 Updates]
> Applications Folder / Uninstalling Aps on mavericks [1 Update]
> VoiceOver and Numbers: Negative Numbers [2 Updates]
> Command Line: How to Upgrade Macports? [3 Updates]
>  Questions About Using The Braille Edge With Files Produced On The Mac
> Lisette Wesseling  Dec 14 09:16PM +1300  
> 
> You can just select files by pressing space on them. Then d chord will delete 
> all selected files.
> I too have tried deleting that top folder to my cost. you just have to ignore 
> the ghost files and that funny folder. It’s something the Mac puts there for 
> its own reasons I don’t understand.
> Can’t help you with the pairing issue as I’ve had no trouble pairing my 
> Braille Edge with my iPhone. Sorry…
>  
>  
> Lisette
>  
>  
> 
> Eugenia Firth  Dec 14 05:24AM -0600  
> 
> Hi there again 
> I didn't using the spacebar to select files and deleting them all at once. 
> You learn something new everyday, never mind I've had this display for over a 
> year now. I guess that means you can delete those ghost files. 
>  
> I do have some information, however, about pairing problems with the Braille 
> Edge 40. This happened to me, and I have no idea why. I went to the office 
> HIMS office and worked on this with Mike. I guess we spent about two hours on 
> this, and then we ended up calling that wonderful 877 number. 
>  
> My Braille Edgge 40 liked every device, except my 5 s iPhone, so there is 
> probably not something wrong with your Braille Edge, at least mine didn't end 
> up needing repair for the same problem you are having. 
>  
> You won't like to hear this, but I had to erase all my settings on the 
> iPhone. I'm talking about restoring it, so don't do that unless you find you 
> have to. You might go into settings and write down all the ones you can find 
> that you changed from the defaults. Oh, yes, make sure you have written 
> somewhere your Internet passwords. Then set your settings back to factory. 
> You don't have to erase all your data on your iPhone, just your settings. If 
> you're concerned about doing that and losing all your stuff, you might want 
> to call Apple Accessibility at 877-204-3930. If your equipment is too old, 
> like you've had your iPhone for too long, for instance, and Apple charges you 
> the $20, it will be worth it. It costed me a lot more than that to find out 
> what was wrong with my Braille Edge. I made a trip to Austin. I did visit a 
> friend, but I had to pay cab fare etc. to go to the HIMS office. 
>  
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
>  
>  
> 
> Donna Goodin  Dec 14 07:59AM -0600  
> 
> Wow, Gigi, that's just crazy! I can't imagine why that happened, my 
> BrailleEdge paired with my 5S right away with no problems at all.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
> 
> Desi Noller  Dec 14 09:10AM -0700  
> 
> Hi Lisette,
>  
> Thanks so much for your help! I should have remembered that command because 
> it’s just like on the Braille Sense Plus I used to have. The odd thing is 
> that I now have 3 of those funny folders at the top of my list, but I guess I 
> dare not delete any of them since I don’t want to take a chance! :) At least 
> I can get rid of all the other ghost files though!
>  
> Desi
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> Desi Noller  Dec 14 09:18AM -0700  
> 
> Hi Gigi,
>  
> That sounds like a nightmare for sure! I think I’ll wait awhile to do a reset 
> of my phone! I would, of course, love to be able to pair it with my Braille 
> Edge, but it isn’t the highest priority for me, or really even why I got the 
> Braille Edge. I do still have AppleCare on my phone, so could call for help 
> if and when I decide to do it! Thanks again so much for your help!
>  
> Desi
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  emogees break Voiceover
> "John D. Lipsey"  Dec 14 08:59AM -0700  
> 
> Hey guys:
>  
> Every time I come across an emogee item, unless it's at the end of a 
> message/tweet etc, voiceover seems to just pass right over the item in 
> question. By item in question, I mean the entire message/tweet etc.
>  
> Is there a way to fix this issue? I'm running Mavericks on a brand new 13 
> inch MacBook Air.
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> -John
>  
> 
>  skype on the mac
> Maria and Joe Chapman  Dec 14 03:19PM +1100  
> 
> Hi. I had the problem a couple of times but lately it s

Re: Gold iDevice great news regarding the Nest thermostat

Hi Donna,

I was wondering, how easy or difficult did you find the installation process?

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Dec 14, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> First, please excuse the cross-posting, but I thought this would be of 
> interest to people on both lists.
> 
> I just wanted to let people know that the recent update to the Nest app for 
> iPhone has become *much more accessible.  Though the button labeling is a bit 
> unintuitive, Voiceover now reads the labels.  I can reliably raise and lower 
> the temperature, and switch from cool to heat to off.  It also looks like 
> it's now possible to set your schedule, though I haven't figured out how yet. 
>  But you can see each day, in two hour increments.  With this latest update, 
> I would definitely recommend it to anyone who is interested.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Command Line: How to Upgrade Macports?

2013-12-14 Thread Cheryl Homiak

Okay, here are the latest instructions I can find. But it's kind of a nightmare 
in my opinion; you are supposed to uninstall and reinstall all your ports all 
over again in the process! I haven't yet done this though I may decide I have 
to at some point. What I've done so far is this:

The first problem was that Mavericks is missing /usr/bin/gnutar. If you don't 
still have a Mountain Lion install with that file you will indeed have to 
apparently reinstall macports. I just copied my file from my Mountain Lion 
installation to Mavericks.

The second thing is to make sure that xcode is installed. Even if it is 
installed, you will want to run

xcode-select --install

or you will get a missing tcl error when you try to selfupdate.

Now I did these things and then ran the selfupdate and upgrade outdated 
commands and it appears to work. But it is possible there are broken ports I 
don't know about so I may eventually follow the official instructions some day 
when I am feeling really ready to cope! I don't mind so much getting a list of 
my ports and uninstalling them but reinstalling them is what I hate! There's a 
script but if the script fails you have to reinstall manually and you can't 
just alphabetically go through the list; you are supposed to install the ones 
you really want (if you can figure out which ones those are!) and not the ones 
that are just dependencies as those will install when you do the needed ports. 
I've done this before at other OS changes and didn't enjoy it! I could probably 
send you the gnutar file if you want but again, I can't absolutely guarantee 
that this doesn't leave you with broken ports though I am not getting errors 
when running upgrades.

So here are the standard instructions; you will have to follow the links to 
each of the indicated steps. I realize this has an October 5th date but I think 
it has been updated as things changed. At any rates, the links you are taken to 
are the official Macports ones.

http://www.ghostwheel.com/merlin/Personal/notes/2013/10/05/macports-on-mavericks

-- 
Cheryl

Go beyond the Christmas story this year;
meet Immanuel (God with us),
Jesus, the crucified Savior,
Christ, the risen Lord.

On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> Hi Teresa,
> 
> If you are using Mavericks, you will need to download the new install package 
> from the macports sight.
> You probably need to update XCode as well if you don’t have 5 installed.
> Hope that helps.
> 
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> I have not even done a selfupdate for Macports in so long I don’t remeker the 
> last time I did it. When I try a selfupdate I get an error message about 
> execution failure. Is there another command I can use, or do I need to 
> download a package via another means?
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
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Re: Mail Filters

Just to avoid confusion: the word sender is the person who’s sending the email. 
So what goes in the “to” field is not the sender’s address, technically.

Teresa

"We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan

On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:01 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:

> I forgot one more thing. When we are talking about filtering email list. The 
> senders adress is the email list address like macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  Not Anna, Joey or Smith`s  email address. 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. des. 2013 kl. 10:17 skrev Terje Strømberg :
> 
>> This is correct! If memory serves me well, it is the "to" field you need to 
>> enter the email address. Shown in the guide. For testing purpuse, use only 
>> the "to" field(the email address of the sender). Like what a smart woman 
>> said, it is not always the email address is shown in the from field, but the 
>> senders email address is always shown in the "to" field. This is always true 
>> with email lists, it seems. That is why it works to enter the senders email 
>> adress in the "to" field and that is why i wrote it in the guide, but i did 
>> not remember why, It was some testing before i got  it right. Memory is 
>> getting slower :)
>> 
>> Take care   
>> 
>> 
>> 14. des. 2013 kl. 05:55 skrev Maria and Joe Chapman 
>> :
>> 
>>> Hi try entering the mac visionaries address in the to field instead.  
>>> Sometimes this works better. Not sure why.  It could just be gmail throwing 
>>> a fit.
>>> regards
>>> Maria and crew from australia
>>> email:
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> check out 
>>> www.95-the-mix.com
>>> where we play lots of great music
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13 Dec 2013, at 9:06 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey Teresa,
 
 Ugh, not looking good as I deleted all my email accounts from Mac Mail and 
 started fresh, and sure enough this message which should be going to my 
 subscription mailbox filter was in my inbox. What a pain as everything was 
 working fine yesterday morning, and I made no changes to my computer so 
 not sure what is going on.. Maybe I am doing something wrong when creating 
 my filters, does this sound right, in gmail on the web I go to create a 
 filter, I enter the macvisionaries email address in the from field, I 
 click next, then check the box for skip inbox, check the box for give the 
 message a label pick subscriptions which is the name I use for these 
 messages, and then click save. I get a message that my filter was created 
 successfully. Not sure what I am doing wrong.
 
 
 Thanks
 On Dec 12, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Teresa Cochran  
 wrote:
 
> Ah, sorry, Brian. Try deleting your Google account from Apple Mail and 
> adding it again and see if the filters show up. I haven’t used basic HTML 
> for a little while, but if you can find labels, your filters may very 
> well be there.
> 
> htH,
> Teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
> On Dec 12, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Teresa,
>> 
>> Deleted all my rules in Mac Mail, checked and I am in deed using iMap 
>> gor my Gmail account, but when I go to the Gmail website I cannot find 
>> manage filters. I am using Basic HTML view, no link for Manage filters, 
>> and even typed in to the search box manage filters and nothing came up. 
>> Any idea where this link might be? Thanks
>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Before you change your settings in Gmail, you might try a couple of 
>>> things. First, Remove the rules you set up for your Gmail accounts on 
>>> your computer. This is assuming you’re using IMAP. You don’t need both 
>>> sets of rules; just the ones set up on the gmail website. Delete your 
>>> Gmail account in Apple Mail and then reinstall it. this should replace 
>>> your filters and folders remotely from the ImAP account.
>>> 
>>> If you’re using pop3, the filters won’t work on the Gmail site, and 
>>> you’ll have to set them up on your computer.
>>> 
>>> In case you need to review your Gmail filters on the site, go to the 
>>> site mail.google.com and search for “manage labels”. follow that link 
>>> and then search for filters and follow that. There you should find a 
>>> list of all your filters.
>>> 
>>> htH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Brian Fischler  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hey all,
 
 My mail filters have completely stopped working in Mac mail. I figure 
 the only way to try and get them working again is to delete them all 
 and start over. Only problem when I go to my Gmail page on the web I 
 can't find any option to manage mail filters all I get is create a 
 filter. I have the rules set both in gma

Re: skype on the mac

2013-12-14 Thread Emilio

Hello everyone,

I have not noticed any issues when launching or using Skype.
I am also using Mavericks, and from both the general OS update, and from 
the fresh install viewpoint, everything is Working smoothly.
In fact, I would strongly recommend performing a fresh install of Mavericks 
because prior to this, my computer was sluggish and I was experiencing 
fusion memory problems, which have resolved themselves now.
After my fresh install, things are Working as expected.

Hope this has been helpful.

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Re: Command Line: How to Upgrade Macports?

Thanks, Barry and Cheryl. I’ll consider tackling this. :) I do have time on my 
hands.

Teresa

"The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham

On Dec 14, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> Okay, here are the latest instructions I can find. But it's kind of a 
> nightmare in my opinion; you are supposed to uninstall and reinstall all your 
> ports all over again in the process! I haven't yet done this though I may 
> decide I have to at some point. What I've done so far is this:
> 
> 
> The first problem was that Mavericks is missing /usr/bin/gnutar. If you don't 
> still have a Mountain Lion install with that file you will indeed have to 
> apparently reinstall macports. I just copied my file from my Mountain Lion 
> installation to Mavericks.
> 
> The second thing is to make sure that xcode is installed. Even if it is 
> installed, you will want to run
> 
> xcode-select --install
> 
> or you will get a missing tcl error when you try to selfupdate.
> 
> Now I did these things and then ran the selfupdate and upgrade outdated 
> commands and it appears to work. But it is possible there are broken ports I 
> don't know about so I may eventually follow the official instructions some 
> day when I am feeling really ready to cope! I don't mind so much getting a 
> list of my ports and uninstalling them but reinstalling them is what I hate! 
> There's a script but if the script fails you have to reinstall manually and 
> you can't just alphabetically go through the list; you are supposed to 
> install the ones you really want (if you can figure out which ones those 
> are!) and not the ones that are just dependencies as those will install when 
> you do the needed ports. I've done this before at other OS changes and didn't 
> enjoy it! I could probably send you the gnutar file if you want but again, I 
> can't absolutely guarantee that this doesn't leave you with broken ports 
> though I am not getting errors when running upgrades.
> 
> So here are the standard instructions; you will have to follow the links to 
> each of the indicated steps. I realize this has an October 5th date but I 
> think it has been updated as things changed. At any rates, the links you are 
> taken to are the official Macports ones.
> 
> http://www.ghostwheel.com/merlin/Personal/notes/2013/10/05/macports-on-mavericks
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> Go beyond the Christmas story this year;
> meet Immanuel (God with us),
> Jesus, the crucified Savior,
> Christ, the risen Lord.
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Teresa,
>> 
>> If you are using Mavericks, you will need to download the new install 
>> package from the macports sight.
>> You probably need to update XCode as well if you don’t have 5 installed.
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> I have not even done a selfupdate for Macports in so long I don’t remeker 
>> the last time I did it. When I try a selfupdate I get an error message about 
>> execution failure. Is there another command I can use, or do I need to 
>> download a package via another means?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>> 
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Re: Command Line: How to Upgrade Macports?

2013-12-14 Thread Barry Hadder

I don’t think it will take you much time.  You shouldn’t have to reinstall all 
of your packages.  I just ran the new installer and everything works fine.  
Downloading and installing XCode5 will take the longest.

On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

Thanks, Barry and Cheryl. I’ll consider tackling this. :) I do have time on my 
hands.

Teresa

"The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham

On Dec 14, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> Okay, here are the latest instructions I can find. But it's kind of a 
> nightmare in my opinion; you are supposed to uninstall and reinstall all your 
> ports all over again in the process! I haven't yet done this though I may 
> decide I have to at some point. What I've done so far is this:
> 
> 
> The first problem was that Mavericks is missing /usr/bin/gnutar. If you don't 
> still have a Mountain Lion install with that file you will indeed have to 
> apparently reinstall macports. I just copied my file from my Mountain Lion 
> installation to Mavericks.
> 
> The second thing is to make sure that xcode is installed. Even if it is 
> installed, you will want to run
> 
> xcode-select --install
> 
> or you will get a missing tcl error when you try to selfupdate.
> 
> Now I did these things and then ran the selfupdate and upgrade outdated 
> commands and it appears to work. But it is possible there are broken ports I 
> don't know about so I may eventually follow the official instructions some 
> day when I am feeling really ready to cope! I don't mind so much getting a 
> list of my ports and uninstalling them but reinstalling them is what I hate! 
> There's a script but if the script fails you have to reinstall manually and 
> you can't just alphabetically go through the list; you are supposed to 
> install the ones you really want (if you can figure out which ones those 
> are!) and not the ones that are just dependencies as those will install when 
> you do the needed ports. I've done this before at other OS changes and didn't 
> enjoy it! I could probably send you the gnutar file if you want but again, I 
> can't absolutely guarantee that this doesn't leave you with broken ports 
> though I am not getting errors when running upgrades.
> 
> So here are the standard instructions; you will have to follow the links to 
> each of the indicated steps. I realize this has an October 5th date but I 
> think it has been updated as things changed. At any rates, the links you are 
> taken to are the official Macports ones.
> 
> http://www.ghostwheel.com/merlin/Personal/notes/2013/10/05/macports-on-mavericks
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> Go beyond the Christmas story this year;
> meet Immanuel (God with us),
> Jesus, the crucified Savior,
> Christ, the risen Lord.
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Teresa,
>> 
>> If you are using Mavericks, you will need to download the new install 
>> package from the macports sight.
>> You probably need to update XCode as well if you don’t have 5 installed.
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> I have not even done a selfupdate for Macports in so long I don’t remeker 
>> the last time I did it. When I try a selfupdate I get an error message about 
>> execution failure. Is there another command I can use, or do I need to 
>> download a package via another means?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>> 
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Re: Command Line: How to Upgrade Macports?

Fortunately, I took care of Xcode last night, so hopefully, I'm well on my way.

Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Dec 14, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> I don’t think it will take you much time.  You shouldn’t have to reinstall 
> all of your packages.  I just ran the new installer and everything works 
> fine.  Downloading and installing XCode5 will take the longest.
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Barry and Cheryl. I’ll consider tackling this. :) I do have time on 
> my hands.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> Okay, here are the latest instructions I can find. But it's kind of a 
>> nightmare in my opinion; you are supposed to uninstall and reinstall all 
>> your ports all over again in the process! I haven't yet done this though I 
>> may decide I have to at some point. What I've done so far is this:
>> 
>> 
>> The first problem was that Mavericks is missing /usr/bin/gnutar. If you 
>> don't still have a Mountain Lion install with that file you will indeed have 
>> to apparently reinstall macports. I just copied my file from my Mountain 
>> Lion installation to Mavericks.
>> 
>> The second thing is to make sure that xcode is installed. Even if it is 
>> installed, you will want to run
>> 
>> xcode-select --install
>> 
>> or you will get a missing tcl error when you try to selfupdate.
>> 
>> Now I did these things and then ran the selfupdate and upgrade outdated 
>> commands and it appears to work. But it is possible there are broken ports I 
>> don't know about so I may eventually follow the official instructions some 
>> day when I am feeling really ready to cope! I don't mind so much getting a 
>> list of my ports and uninstalling them but reinstalling them is what I hate! 
>> There's a script but if the script fails you have to reinstall manually and 
>> you can't just alphabetically go through the list; you are supposed to 
>> install the ones you really want (if you can figure out which ones those 
>> are!) and not the ones that are just dependencies as those will install when 
>> you do the needed ports. I've done this before at other OS changes and 
>> didn't enjoy it! I could probably send you the gnutar file if you want but 
>> again, I can't absolutely guarantee that this doesn't leave you with broken 
>> ports though I am not getting errors when running upgrades.
>> 
>> So here are the standard instructions; you will have to follow the links to 
>> each of the indicated steps. I realize this has an October 5th date but I 
>> think it has been updated as things changed. At any rates, the links you are 
>> taken to are the official Macports ones.
>> 
>> http://www.ghostwheel.com/merlin/Personal/notes/2013/10/05/macports-on-mavericks
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> Go beyond the Christmas story this year;
>> meet Immanuel (God with us),
>> Jesus, the crucified Savior,
>> Christ, the risen Lord.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Teresa,
>>> 
>>> If you are using Mavericks, you will need to download the new install 
>>> package from the macports sight.
>>> You probably need to update XCode as well if you don’t have 5 installed.
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, all,
>>> 
>>> I have not even done a selfupdate for Macports in so long I don’t remeker 
>>> the last time I did it. When I try a selfupdate I get an error message 
>>> about execution failure. Is there another command I can use, or do I need 
>>> to download a package via another means?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>>> 
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Re: Command Line: How to Upgrade Macports?

2013-12-14 Thread Cheryl Homiak

Oh well, then, if you didn't reinstall all your ports, there's probably no need 
to run the new installer either as long as you can find that gnutar file 
somewhere and put it on your system. As for xcode, I already had that installed 
but I had to check for updates and make sure command-line tools were 
up-to-date. ATechnically they say you are supposed to reinstall all your ports 
but I always try avoiding that if I can.


-- 
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Go beyond the Christmas story this year;
meet Immanuel (God with us),
Jesus, the crucified Savior,
Christ, the risen Lord.



On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> I don’t think it will take you much time.  You shouldn’t have to reinstall 
> all of your packages.  I just ran the new installer and everything works 
> fine.  Downloading and installing XCode5 will take the longest.
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Barry and Cheryl. I’ll consider tackling this. :) I do have time on 
> my hands.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> Okay, here are the latest instructions I can find. But it's kind of a 
>> nightmare in my opinion; you are supposed to uninstall and reinstall all 
>> your ports all over again in the process! I haven't yet done this though I 
>> may decide I have to at some point. What I've done so far is this:
>> 
>> 
>> The first problem was that Mavericks is missing /usr/bin/gnutar. If you 
>> don't still have a Mountain Lion install with that file you will indeed have 
>> to apparently reinstall macports. I just copied my file from my Mountain 
>> Lion installation to Mavericks.
>> 
>> The second thing is to make sure that xcode is installed. Even if it is 
>> installed, you will want to run
>> 
>> xcode-select --install
>> 
>> or you will get a missing tcl error when you try to selfupdate.
>> 
>> Now I did these things and then ran the selfupdate and upgrade outdated 
>> commands and it appears to work. But it is possible there are broken ports I 
>> don't know about so I may eventually follow the official instructions some 
>> day when I am feeling really ready to cope! I don't mind so much getting a 
>> list of my ports and uninstalling them but reinstalling them is what I hate! 
>> There's a script but if the script fails you have to reinstall manually and 
>> you can't just alphabetically go through the list; you are supposed to 
>> install the ones you really want (if you can figure out which ones those 
>> are!) and not the ones that are just dependencies as those will install when 
>> you do the needed ports. I've done this before at other OS changes and 
>> didn't enjoy it! I could probably send you the gnutar file if you want but 
>> again, I can't absolutely guarantee that this doesn't leave you with broken 
>> ports though I am not getting errors when running upgrades.
>> 
>> So here are the standard instructions; you will have to follow the links to 
>> each of the indicated steps. I realize this has an October 5th date but I 
>> think it has been updated as things changed. At any rates, the links you are 
>> taken to are the official Macports ones.
>> 
>> http://www.ghostwheel.com/merlin/Personal/notes/2013/10/05/macports-on-mavericks
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> Go beyond the Christmas story this year;
>> meet Immanuel (God with us),
>> Jesus, the crucified Savior,
>> Christ, the risen Lord.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Teresa,
>>> 
>>> If you are using Mavericks, you will need to download the new install 
>>> package from the macports sight.
>>> You probably need to update XCode as well if you don’t have 5 installed.
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, all,
>>> 
>>> I have not even done a selfupdate for Macports in so long I don’t remeker 
>>> the last time I did it. When I try a selfupdate I get an error message 
>>> about execution failure. Is there another command I can use, or do I need 
>>> to download a package via another means?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
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Terminal: VO and Alpine Mail?

hi, all,

I was playing with alpine in terminal last night. VO doesn’t seem to track 
things very well, especially in the configuration file. Has anyone found a way 
to use VO with Lynx, Mutt, Alpine, etc.? Or is there a screen-reader that’s 
available through Macports? If it comes to it, I’ll experiment in Linux on my 
virtual machine with fusion.

Thanks,
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Re: skype on the mac

2013-12-14 Thread Jessica D

If necessary, how would one go about doing this independently? I mean 
reinstalling the operating system.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Emilio  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have not noticed any issues when launching or using Skype.
> I am also using Mavericks, and from both the general OS update, and from the 
> fresh install viewpoint, everything is Working smoothly.
> In fact, I would strongly recommend performing a fresh install of Mavericks 
> because prior to this, my computer was sluggish and I was experiencing fusion 
> memory problems, which have resolved themselves now.
> After my fresh install, things are Working as expected.
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Re: Terminal: VO and Alpine Mail?

2013-12-14 Thread Cheryl Homiak

It's better if you have a braille display and then use brltty in terminal. But 
do make sure you have cursor tracking on in Alpine's configuration. Even using 
vo that may help some. I do pretty much everything in terminal with a braille 
display and brltty.

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On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> hi, all,
> 
> I was playing with alpine in terminal last night. VO doesn’t seem to track 
> things very well, especially in the configuration file. Has anyone found a 
> way to use VO with Lynx, Mutt, Alpine, etc.? Or is there a screen-reader 
> that’s available through Macports? If it comes to it, I’ll experiment in 
> Linux on my virtual machine with fusion.
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
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Re: skype on the mac

2013-12-14 Thread Jim Gatteys

skype is the only thing acting the least bit sluggish on my computer.  Must be 
because Microsoft has taken  over the development of skype.

On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Emilio  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have not noticed any issues when launching or using Skype.
> I am also using Mavericks, and from both the general OS update, and from the 
> fresh install viewpoint, everything is Working smoothly.
> In fact, I would strongly recommend performing a fresh install of Mavericks 
> because prior to this, my computer was sluggish and I was experiencing fusion 
> memory problems, which have resolved themselves now.
> After my fresh install, things are Working as expected.
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Re: Terminal: VO and Alpine Mail?

Hi, Cheryl,

Yes, I love brltty. I’ve tried to install it in the past, but I can’t seem to 
get the right syntax. Is it in Macports? Do I do this?:
sudo port install brltty

or do I have to build it from source. I really don’t know anything about doing 
that, so I hope there’s an install package.

thanks,
teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

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> It's better if you have a braille display and then use brltty in terminal. 
> But do make sure you have cursor tracking on in Alpine's configuration. Even 
> using vo that may help some. I do pretty much everything in terminal with a 
> braille display and brltty.
> 
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> 
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> On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
>> hi, all,
>> 
>> I was playing with alpine in terminal last night. VO doesn’t seem to track 
>> things very well, especially in the configuration file. Has anyone found a 
>> way to use VO with Lynx, Mutt, Alpine, etc.? Or is there a screen-reader 
>> that’s available through Macports? If it comes to it, I’ll experiment in 
>> Linux on my virtual machine with fusion.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
>> 
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Re: broadcasting on the mac

2013-12-14 Thread Ray Foret Jr

>From what I see, Nicecast can select AAC streaming now.  Couldn’t ever get it 
>to connect to the test server though.  
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Dec 14, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:

> There are two programs that are used for broadcasting.
> Nicecast will only stream to Mp3 servers.
> 2. Ladiocast, which will only stream to Ogg and AAC servers.
> I have experience with ladiocast but not nice cast.
> HTH.
> Take care. :)
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> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 1:35 AM, May and Noah  wrote:
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>> Hey everyone.
>> 
>> Curious. Is there any software that works great with voiceover for 
>> broadcasting on the mac?
>> 
>> May and Prince Noah
>> www.canadianlynx.ca
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It should work to go to gmail.com log in and make sure you have html version.
When you are at the top, press vo - cmd + h, vo - cmd + h one more time, vo -
cmd + l, vo - cmd + l one more time, when on the link "make a filter" press
enter, when on the top in the next window press vo - cmd + t, vo - cmd + t one
more time, from now on you only have to press vo + right arrow until you hear a
knob called delete, that said, be sure to use the delete knob after the filter
you want to delete, press enter and hopeffully this works. Off course, you can
use any vo commands you like to get to the link "make a new filter" and the
delete button. For example vo + i and type !make a" and arrow down to "make a
new filter" , hit enter, hit enter one more time, and vo + i in the next window
and type "delete" and hit enter and enter one more time.

Just in case, if other people also need information about gmail filter is the
topic pretty well covered here: copyied from other discussions etc. below:

Email filter

If you want to filter an email list the senders email address is the email list
address like macvisionaries@googlegroups.com The actual email list email
address. Not Yoey, Anna or Smith`s email address.

You may have to make a label first. Be sure to type in the correct email adress
when making a filter. Try with only the senders email address first in the "to"
field and nothing else in topic, message text field etc. Only the senders email
adress in the "to" field. Then, you are minimizing the potential errors because
you have only enterd the email adress, there must be wrong email address. Of
course, the label name and skip inbox must be chosen. Take a look at step 15.
below. If you have many messages below in that step, you are doing right, if
not, there must be a miss spelled email address. Though i am a little bit
confused about this guides step 4. although i write it. Long time since i
filterd anything to a label. The reason you have to enter senders email adress
in the "to" field is: Email list`s don`t always show their email address in the
"from" field, but shows their email address in the "to" field. The Gmail filter
have to see the correct address. If there is an incorrect address in the "from"
field the Gmail filter reads wrong address. So you have to tell the filter to
read from the "to" field where the email list`s have their correct address.

Copyic from another message:

Use your mac.

You need to change gmail on web from standard view to basic html view. Here is
a link to a how to do that
http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/24763/how-can-i-convert-gmail-from-standard-view-to-basic-html-view

Other may fill in and add details or correct. No problem.

You may place a check mark in step 15. it will filter the most of your emails
already stored, but it may take several days to filter. That scared me first
time from check mark this because it looked scarying wtih so many emails
falling down from the net like an never ending river.

In my opinion a filter option is a great tool to keep order in our inbox.
Noticed that some have 3000 - 4000 emails after 3 days without checking the
email. I like many others are using gmail. A very good email client. Accesible.
Filtering using Label and filter. You can use the Mail account built in IOS
with gmail inside Mail IOS. If you make a new Label or a Map(this is the same
i.e..Label is an map in your mailbox list under inbox, sent, deleted etc).

If you don't have an gmail account you ca register one first on google.com
Don't remember exactly how, but it is pretty straight forward and not
dangerous. Chose IMAP if it is an option between IMAP or POP. IMAP synchronize
email between iPhone, iPod, Mac and iPad. If you want to use the built in Mail
program in IOS you register first on google.com then go to Settings > Mail >
add Account. Find gmail in the list.. If memory serves, you only have to set
username and password inside the built in IOS MAIL IF you already have signed
an account on google.com

Making a Label or Map.
1. Log in to gmail.
2. Go to Settings > Label. Settings are in the upper right corner. A window
pops up and you find the Label knob.Above the inbox there are also an link
called make a filter and after above the inbox. Opening this, the same window
opens.
3. Find the text box. Type the name viphone for the Label or Map(it is the
same). Hit setup knob. Now you have a Label or Map in your list under Mailbox
i.e. inbox, sent, all e-post etc.

Make a filter rule. It is easy. Gmail is accessible and straight forward in
this case at least.
1. Find the knob Filter in the same window above the table in a list above the
table. Hit filter. Now we want to filter viph...@googlegroups.com to go into
the Label or Map you made.
2. Find the knob "make a new filter". A new window with a table opens. Set a
filter. Make search criteria.
3. Find the text field "from". Do not type anything here - leav

Re: activating items in safari history

2013-12-14 Thread Chris Moore

Hello Ray,
The history is in a table.  The first column contains the titles of the pages 
and the second contains the addresses.  VO does not say “link”, so there is no 
obvious way to activate it.

Chris
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> Easy.  When viewing history in Safari, just press return on the link.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> When viewing history in safari, how do you go to the link?  I was able to 
>> select and copy the address and paste it into the search area.  There must 
>> be an easier way!
>> 
>> TIA
>> Chris
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Re: activating items in safari history

2013-12-14 Thread Chris Moore

OK.  It depends on how you access the history.  If you arrow down thru the 
history menu, it works great.  If you enter on the “show history “ menu item, 
you are presented with a table which is more difficult to work with.

Chris
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> Easy.  When viewing history in Safari, just press return on the link.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> When viewing history in safari, how do you go to the link?  I was able to 
>> select and copy the address and paste it into the search area.  There must 
>> be an easier way!
>> 
>> TIA
>> Chris
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Re: activating items in safari history

You might want to use the history menu in Safari and activate links with the 
return key from there. the table is more for editing purposes. In the table, 
you can use command-down-arrow to open a site when your focused on the title. 
This is a standard Mac OS keyboard shortcut for opening items. If you’re on an 
expandable item, such as a day of the week,  can use VO-backslash key to open 
it.

HtH,
Teresa

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> Hello Ray,
> The history is in a table.  The first column contains the titles of the pages 
> and the second contains the addresses.  VO does not say “link”, so there is 
> no obvious way to activate it.
> 
> Chris
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Easy.  When viewing history in Safari, just press return on the link.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> When viewing history in safari, how do you go to the link?  I was able to 
>>> select and copy the address and paste it into the search area.  There must 
>>> be an easier way!
>>> 
>>> TIA
>>> Chris
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accessing drop box settings

Hey everyone, has anyone found a way to access the settings for the drop box 
application? I can open the drop box menu, but trying to activate the settings 
option with voice over does not work, and if I move the mouse pointer to the 
current item and click it, it opens the apple menu.

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Dragging and dropping a Mailbox to Favorites yet again

Hey all,

Ugh I had to delete all my email accounts in gmail and reinstall them and lost 
all of my favorites. I went back to our old notes on dragging and dropping a 
mailbox in to favorites in Mountain Lion as I am still running Mountain Lion, 
and of course again I can't get the mailbox to drop in to favorites. I wanted 
to see if anyone has had any recent success with this and figured out a work 
around. Here's the method I have been using.

In classic mail mode, the preview pane is closed. I click VO comma to drag a 
mailbox. This automatically kicks me out of my mailbox table I am in and I VO 
left over to the favorites, I go to drop the mailbox with VO period, have tried 
this on top of the Favorties bar and while interacting in the favorites group, 
and I can hear the mailbox being dragged and VO tells me it is being dragged, 
but then I get an unable to drop mailbox message. Ugh this is so frustrating. 
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: skype on the mac

It's always best to do a clean install of a new operating system. There was an 
issue with skype where it took a while to exit, but updating to the newest 
version should fix that.
On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Emilio  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have not noticed any issues when launching or using Skype.
> I am also using Mavericks, and from both the general OS update, and from the 
> fresh install viewpoint, everything is Working smoothly.
> In fact, I would strongly recommend performing a fresh install of Mavericks 
> because prior to this, my computer was sluggish and I was experiencing fusion 
> memory problems, which have resolved themselves now.
> After my fresh install, things are Working as expected.
> 
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Re: skype on the mac

You may want to try a clean install of the operating system. I'm still using 
mountain lion, but skype works very well and is totally accessible.
On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> skype is the only thing acting the least bit sluggish on my computer.  Must 
> be because Microsoft has taken  over the development of skype.
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Emilio  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I have not noticed any issues when launching or using Skype.
>> I am also using Mavericks, and from both the general OS update, and from the 
>> fresh install viewpoint, everything is Working smoothly.
>> In fact, I would strongly recommend performing a fresh install of Mavericks 
>> because prior to this, my computer was sluggish and I was experiencing 
>> fusion memory problems, which have resolved themselves now.
>> After my fresh install, things are Working as expected.
>> 
>> Hope this has been helpful.
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Re: skype on the mac

With all this Skype talk does anyone know how to access your Skype account on 
the iPhone now if you log in to Skype on your Mac through Facebook? Thanks,
On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Emilio  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have not noticed any issues when launching or using Skype.
> I am also using Mavericks, and from both the general OS update, and from the 
> fresh install viewpoint, everything is Working smoothly.
> In fact, I would strongly recommend performing a fresh install of Mavericks 
> because prior to this, my computer was sluggish and I was experiencing fusion 
> memory problems, which have resolved themselves now.
> After my fresh install, things are Working as expected.
> 
> Hope this has been helpful.
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Re: accessing drop box settings

The only way i’ve been able to access the settings is to set the mouse pointer 
to move VO in VO utility. Then go to the extras menu and make sure the mouse 
pointer is on dropbox. Then, using mouse keys or the trackpad or actual mouse, 
I click on it and I get the links to the dropbox folder and application 
settings. The simulated VO mouse click (shift-VO-space) doesn’t work on this 
item.

HtH,
Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

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> application? I can open the drop box menu, but trying to activate the 
> settings option with voice over does not work, and if I move the mouse 
> pointer to the current item and click it, it opens the apple menu.
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Latest Twitter for latest iOS

2013-12-14 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter



Hi, list.

When I try to do anything with the latest Twitter app with my iPhone 5s running 
the latest iOS 7, I can do absolutely nothing. Love the buttons I prep work, 
and I cannot even left the light flight.

Is anyone experiencing this? Is there a better app for iOS 7 invoice over to 
manage Twitter. Thanks.

Be well. Sent from my iPhone

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New email

2013-12-14 Thread Pamela Francis

Hi folks,
I have activated a different email account.   I'm not sure how to forward my 
conversations from this list to  that account. I eventually want to shut this 
one down, as it is primarily spam. This list has always been very helpful, yet 
I don't check it as often as I used to, as my other email account is priority. 
Thanks in advance.

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Re: broadcasting on the mac

2013-12-14 Thread Matt Dierckens

I can’t even figure out how to get it to change the type of server to use, mp3 
ogg etc.
Take care. :)
Matt Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com



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> From what I see, Nicecast can select AAC streaming now.  Couldn’t ever get it 
> to connect to the test server though.  
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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> On Dec 14, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
> 
>> There are two programs that are used for broadcasting.
>> Nicecast will only stream to Mp3 servers.
>> 2. Ladiocast, which will only stream to Ogg and AAC servers.
>> I have experience with ladiocast but not nice cast.
>> HTH.
>> Take care. :)
>> Matt Dierckens
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>> Blind Access Training
>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 1:35 AM, May and Noah  wrote:
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>>> Hey everyone.
>>> 
>>> Curious. Is there any software that works great with voiceover for 
>>> broadcasting on the mac?
>>> 
>>> May and Prince Noah
>>> www.canadianlynx.ca
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Re: skype on the mac

2013-12-14 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

I agree with Mike.

Nothing like a clean install of Mavericks.  No issues on my computer and Skype 
not sluggish at all.

Kawal.
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> 
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> In fact, I would strongly recommend performing a fresh install of Mavericks 
> because prior to this, my computer was sluggish and I was experiencing fusion 
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Re: activating items in safari history

Teresa,

I never knew about the CMD-down arrow command.  Are there any differences 
between that and Cmd-O?
Thanks,
Donna
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> You might want to use the history menu in Safari and activate links with the 
> return key from there. the table is more for editing purposes. In the table, 
> you can use command-down-arrow to open a site when your focused on the title. 
> This is a standard Mac OS keyboard shortcut for opening items. If you’re on 
> an expandable item, such as a day of the week,  can use VO-backslash key to 
> open it.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Ray,
>> The history is in a table.  The first column contains the titles of the 
>> pages and the second contains the addresses.  VO does not say “link”, so 
>> there is no obvious way to activate it.
>> 
>> Chris
>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Easy.  When viewing history in Safari, just press return on the link.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 When viewing history in safari, how do you go to the link?  I was able to 
 select and copy the address and paste it into the search area.  There must 
 be an easier way!
 
 TIA
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Re: activating items in safari history

Essentially there aren’t any differences. Sometimes one will work where the 
other won’t, but that’s about all the difference I notice.

Teresa

"Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman

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> Teresa,
> 
> I never knew about the CMD-down arrow command.  Are there any differences 
> between that and Cmd-O?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
>> You might want to use the history menu in Safari and activate links with the 
>> return key from there. the table is more for editing purposes. In the table, 
>> you can use command-down-arrow to open a site when your focused on the 
>> title. This is a standard Mac OS keyboard shortcut for opening items. If 
>> you’re on an expandable item, such as a day of the week,  can use 
>> VO-backslash key to open it.
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Ray,
>>> The history is in a table.  The first column contains the titles of the 
>>> pages and the second contains the addresses.  VO does not say “link”, so 
>>> there is no obvious way to activate it.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Easy.  When viewing history in Safari, just press return on the link.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
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> Hello,
> When viewing history in safari, how do you go to the link?  I was able to 
> select and copy the address and paste it into the search area.  There 
> must be an easier way!
> 
> TIA
> Chris
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Re: activating items in safari history

Interesting.  Well, always good to have multiple options.  Thanks.
Donna
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> Essentially there aren’t any differences. Sometimes one will work where the 
> other won’t, but that’s about all the difference I notice.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
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>> Teresa,
>> 
>> I never knew about the CMD-down arrow command.  Are there any differences 
>> between that and Cmd-O?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> You might want to use the history menu in Safari and activate links with 
>>> the return key from there. the table is more for editing purposes. In the 
>>> table, you can use command-down-arrow to open a site when your focused on 
>>> the title. This is a standard Mac OS keyboard shortcut for opening items. 
>>> If you’re on an expandable item, such as a day of the week,  can use 
>>> VO-backslash key to open it.
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
>>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Ray,
 The history is in a table.  The first column contains the titles of the 
 pages and the second contains the addresses.  VO does not say “link”, so 
 there is no obvious way to activate it.
 
 Chris
 On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
> Easy.  When viewing history in Safari, just press return on the link.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> When viewing history in safari, how do you go to the link?  I was able 
>> to select and copy the address and paste it into the search area.  There 
>> must be an easier way!
>> 
>> TIA
>> Chris
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Re: accessing drop box settings

2013-12-14 Thread Ray Foret Jr

I found that you need to focus the mouse on the Drop Box item in the Menu 
extras bar, and then, if you Option+click the actual mouse, (making sure 
trackpad commander is off mind you) that will get you access to the Drop box 
prefs.  That what you wanted?


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> application? I can open the drop box menu, but trying to activate the 
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Re: Latest Twitter for latest iOS

2013-12-14 Thread Kevin Mattingly

I use an app called TweetList. It's awesome.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter  
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> 
> 
> 
> Hi, list.
> 
> When I try to do anything with the latest Twitter app with my iPhone 5s 
> running the latest iOS 7, I can do absolutely nothing. Love the buttons I 
> prep work, and I cannot even left the light flight.
> 
> Is anyone experiencing this? Is there a better app for iOS 7 invoice over to 
> manage Twitter. Thanks.
> 
> Be well. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Latest Twitter for latest iOS

2013-12-14 Thread Aser Tolentino

The official Twitter app seems to not be showing me any tweets. I've never used 
it though, preferring TweetList and Twitterrific, both of which are extremely 
VoiceOver friendly. There was a thread a few weeks back discussing their 
relative advantages. TweetList is great if you like using Twitter lists as it 
can create and manage such lists, while Twitterrific is a little more 
streamlined.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.

> On Dec 14, 2013, at 13:44, Kevin Mattingly  wrote:
> 
> I use an app called TweetList. It's awesome.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, list.
>> 
>> When I try to do anything with the latest Twitter app with my iPhone 5s 
>> running the latest iOS 7, I can do absolutely nothing. Love the buttons I 
>> prep work, and I cannot even left the light flight.
>> 
>> Is anyone experiencing this? Is there a better app for iOS 7 invoice over to 
>> manage Twitter. Thanks.
>> 
>> Be well. Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Questions About Using The Braille Edge With Files Produced On The Mac

2013-12-14 Thread Eugenia Firth

Hi Donna
Hey, nobody else can figure out why it happened either.
Gigi

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> On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Wow, Gigi, that's just crazy!  I can't imagine why that happened, my 
> BrailleEdge paired with my 5S right away with no problems at all.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 5:24 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there again 
>> I didn't using the spacebar to select files and deleting them all at once. 
>> You learn something new everyday, never mind I've had this display for over 
>> a year now. I guess that means you can delete those ghost files. 
>> 
>> I do have some information, however, about pairing problems with the Braille 
>> Edge 40. This happened to me, and I have no idea why. I went to the office 
>> HIMS office and worked on this with Mike. I guess we spent about two hours 
>> on this, and then we ended up calling that wonderful 877 number. 
>> 
>> My Braille Edgge 40 liked every device, except my 5 s iPhone, so there is 
>> probably not something wrong with your Braille Edge, at least mine didn't 
>> end up needing repair for the same problem you are having. 
>> 
>> You won't like to hear this, but I had to erase all my settings on the 
>> iPhone. I'm talking about restoring it, so don't do that unless you find you 
>> have to. You might go into settings and write down all the ones you can find 
>> that you changed from the defaults. Oh, yes, make sure you have written 
>> somewhere your Internet passwords. Then set your settings back to factory. 
>> You don't have to erase all your data on your iPhone, just your settings. If 
>> you're concerned about doing that and losing all your stuff, you might want 
>> to call Apple Accessibility at 877-204-3930. If your equipment is too old, 
>> like you've had your iPhone for too long, for instance, and Apple charges 
>> you the $20, it will be worth it. It costed me a lot more than that to find 
>> out what was wrong with my Braille Edge. I made a trip to Austin. I did 
>> visit a friend, but I had to pay cab fare etc. to go to the HIMS office. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:16 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can just select files by pressing space on them. Then d chord will 
>>> delete all selected files.
>>> I too have tried deleting that top folder to my cost. you just have to 
>>> ignore the ghost files and that funny folder. It’s something the Mac puts 
>>> there for its own reasons I don’t understand.
>>> Can’t help you with the pairing issue as I’ve had no trouble pairing my 
>>> Braille Edge with my iPhone. Sorry…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lisette
>>> 
 On 14/12/2013, at 12:43 pm, Desi Noller  wrote:
 
 Hi Gigi,
 
 Thanks so much for your help!  Do you know if there is a way to delete 
 multiple files?
 
 Desi
 
 
 
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> No it is not the number 80. It is
> 
> ", And I'm not sure why that choice was made but you can just ignore it. 
> As for the ghost files as far as I know you get them what do you want 
> them or not. You can just delete the things and fine or you can ignore 
> them 
> 
> And when you want to get a file, just type in the first letter of the 
> filename and it will go past all those things. Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Desi Noller  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> I just acquired a Braille Edge 40, and one of the things I did almost 
>> immediately, was to copy some files from my iMac on to an SD card.  I 
>> placed the card in the Braille Edge, and while my folder structure was 
>> perfect, I noticed that there were two versions of every file I had 
>> placed there!  One of the file names had a bunch of underline symbols in 
>> them, while the other version didn’t.  When I tried to open the ones 
>> with the extra symbols, I saw “Mac OSX followed by a bunch of stuff I 
>> couldn’t interpret.  When I opened the files that had no extra symbols, 
>> they looked perfectly normal and were just as I expected them to be.  I 
>> also forgot to mention, that the top two folder names in my Braille Edge 
>> NotePad were designated by only a pair of quotes and did not seem to 
>> open.  I deleted all of the extra versions of my own files, leaving only 
>> the accurate versions on my card, and then I decided in order to tidy 
>> things up I would delete the folders with the quotes.  That was 
>> definitely a mistake!  When the delete was completed, I got the chilling 
>> message “No Items.”  Copying them back on to my card from my iMac won’t 
>> be a problem, but how do I make sure that all of those “Ghost” files 
>> don’t come back?  Furthermore, what are the files that were designated 
>> by just the pair of quotes, or what could also have been the number 80?  
>> 
>> Also, when I tried

Re: Dragging and dropping a Mailbox to Favorites yet again

2013-12-14 Thread Nicholas Parsons

HI Bryan,
I quite frequently use this and have always had success. Instead of using 
VO-Period to drop, however, try using VO-shift-period or VO-shift-comma while 
interacting with the Favourites Bar and while VO is focussed on one of your 
other favourites. These commands of course should drop the mailbox after or 
before one of your existing favourites respectively.
Cheers,
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Re: accessing drop box settings

2013-12-14 Thread Nicholas Parsons

I navigate to the Dropbox menu in the menu extras, bring the mouse pointer with 
VO-command-F5, simulate a mouse click with VO-shift-space. This opens up some 
weird Dropbox dialog box which has the list of recently changed files, among 
other things. Down the bottom of this dialog thing is some clickable text 
called Settings. I believe clicking this Settings clickable item should bring 
up your Dropbox settings, but I've tried every way I know to click or activate 
it but nothing I have tried has worked. Does anyone know how to open these 
settings?
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Re: Dragging and dropping a Mailbox to Favorites yet again

Hey Nick,

Wow, not sure what worked, but got both the mailboxes there after trying 
several several different combinations, including toggling cursor tacking on 
and off, trying to move the VO focus got several error messages about not being 
able to move VO focus and mailbox is not draggable but just kept at it with 
different combinations and eventually one of them worked. Thanks so much.
On Dec 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> HI Bryan,
> I quite frequently use this and have always had success. Instead of using 
> VO-Period to drop, however, try using VO-shift-period or VO-shift-comma while 
> interacting with the Favourites Bar and while VO is focussed on one of your 
> other favourites. These commands of course should drop the mailbox after or 
> before one of your existing favourites respectively.
> Cheers,
> Nic
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Re: accessing drop box settings

Odd. I can't use the simulated click, but I can access the setttings. I 
think I used VO-space on it, but not sure. I may have used return.


Teresa
On 12/14/2013 02:59 PM, Nicholas Parsons wrote:

I navigate to the Dropbox menu in the menu extras, bring the mouse pointer with 
VO-command-F5, simulate a mouse click with VO-shift-space. This opens up some 
weird Dropbox dialog box which has the list of recently changed files, among 
other things. Down the bottom of this dialog thing is some clickable text 
called Settings. I believe clicking this Settings clickable item should bring 
up your Dropbox settings, but I've tried every way I know to click or activate 
it but nothing I have tried has worked. Does anyone know how to open these 
settings?
Nic



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A no mail question

2013-12-14 Thread Angus MacKinnon

I can not see by the website how to set the list to no mail. Is it possible to 
set this list to no mail by email? Thank you.
Î
Angus MacKinnon
Written using a 27inch iMac

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Re: accessing drop box settings

2013-12-14 Thread David Taylor

Hi,

I've now found that vo-shift-space brings up a few items and now, in Mavericks, 
vo-space on the preferences brings up a menu with lots of info and you can get 
into preferences from there.

Cheers
Dave

On 14 Dec 2013, at 23:58, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Odd. I can't use the simulated click, but I can access the setttings. I think 
> I used VO-space on it, but not sure. I may have used return.
> 
> Teresa
> On 12/14/2013 02:59 PM, Nicholas Parsons wrote:
>> I navigate to the Dropbox menu in the menu extras, bring the mouse pointer 
>> with VO-command-F5, simulate a mouse click with VO-shift-space. This opens 
>> up some weird Dropbox dialog box which has the list of recently changed 
>> files, among other things. Down the bottom of this dialog thing is some 
>> clickable text called Settings. I believe clicking this Settings clickable 
>> item should bring up your Dropbox settings, but I've tried every way I know 
>> to click or activate it but nothing I have tried has worked. Does anyone 
>> know how to open these settings?
>> Nic
>> 
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Re: accessing drop box settings

I can open the drop box menu, it's clicking on settings that is giving me 
problems. I will try the option click idea.
On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> I found that you need to focus the mouse on the Drop Box item in the Menu 
> extras bar, and then, if you Option+click the actual mouse, (making sure 
> trackpad commander is off mind you) that will get you access to the Drop box 
> prefs.  That what you wanted?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> Hey everyone, has anyone found a way to access the settings for the drop box 
>> application? I can open the drop box menu, but trying to activate the 
>> settings option with voice over does not work, and if I move the mouse 
>> pointer to the current item and click it, it opens the apple menu.
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Re: accessing drop box settings

That worked, thanks. I wish you did not have to option click it though, this 
menu should appear any time you click it in my opinion.
On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> I found that you need to focus the mouse on the Drop Box item in the Menu 
> extras bar, and then, if you Option+click the actual mouse, (making sure 
> trackpad commander is off mind you) that will get you access to the Drop box 
> prefs.  That what you wanted?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> Hey everyone, has anyone found a way to access the settings for the drop box 
>> application? I can open the drop box menu, but trying to activate the 
>> settings option with voice over does not work, and if I move the mouse 
>> pointer to the current item and click it, it opens the apple menu.
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Re: accessing drop box settings

2013-12-14 Thread Ray Foret Jr

I hear yuh.  At least we have access to it.  Still and all, it would be better 
if they followed standard Apple IP protocall.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:22 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> That worked, thanks. I wish you did not have to option click it though, this 
> menu should appear any time you click it in my opinion.
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> I found that you need to focus the mouse on the Drop Box item in the Menu 
>> extras bar, and then, if you Option+click the actual mouse, (making sure 
>> trackpad commander is off mind you) that will get you access to the Drop box 
>> prefs.  That what you wanted?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey everyone, has anyone found a way to access the settings for the drop 
>>> box application? I can open the drop box menu, but trying to activate the 
>>> settings option with voice over does not work, and if I move the mouse 
>>> pointer to the current item and click it, it opens the apple menu.
>>> 
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locating edit boxes on web pages

2013-12-14 Thread don bishop

Hi,

Is there an easy and quick way to locate a field on a web page where you need 
to enter data such as a username or even a search argument.  
Currently withsafari and mavericks I just poke around until I find it.  This is 
especially a problem with a new web page or  one I don’t visit often.

Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.  
Thanks,
Don

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Re: accessing drop box settings

2013-12-14 Thread David Taylor

Yes, my fix only works in Mavericks as far as I know. Option click may well be 
your friend.

On 15 Dec 2013, at 01:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> That worked, thanks. I wish you did not have to option click it though, this 
> menu should appear any time you click it in my opinion.
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> I found that you need to focus the mouse on the Drop Box item in the Menu 
>> extras bar, and then, if you Option+click the actual mouse, (making sure 
>> trackpad commander is off mind you) that will get you access to the Drop box 
>> prefs.  That what you wanted?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey everyone, has anyone found a way to access the settings for the drop 
>>> box application? I can open the drop box menu, but trying to activate the 
>>> settings option with voice over does not work, and if I move the mouse 
>>> pointer to the current item and click it, it opens the apple menu.
>>> 
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Re: locating edit boxes on web pages

2013-12-14 Thread David Taylor

vo-command-j or if using quick nav and single letter navigation just j

Cheers
Dave

On 15 Dec 2013, at 02:31, don bishop  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Is there an easy and quick way to locate a field on a web page where you need 
> to enter data such as a username or even a search argument.  
> Currently withsafari and mavericks I just poke around until I find it.  This 
> is especially a problem with a new web page or  one I don’t visit often.
> 
> Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.  
> Thanks,
> Don
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Re: locating edit boxes on web pages


Hi, Don,

You can turn quicknav on by pressing both left and right-arrow keys, 
then navigate to form fields by pressing up-arrrow and one of the side 
arrows till you get there. At this point, you can use the up and down 
arrow keys to find form fields. The other thing you can do is press 
command-VO-J to move between form fields. Command-VO-shift-J works to go 
backward. As far as I know, there's no command for moving between text 
boxes.


HtH,
Teresa
On 12/14/2013 06:31 PM, don bishop wrote:

Hi,

Is there an easy and quick way to locate a field on a web page where you need 
to enter data such as a username or even a search argument.
Currently withsafari and mavericks I just poke around until I find it.  This is 
especially a problem with a new web page or  one I don’t visit often.

Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Don



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Re: locating edit boxes on web pages

2013-12-14 Thread Jessica D

Another thing you could do, that makes this easy for me, his use the web 
Brodeur and make sure that text boxes is in there. The option is called "text 
fields "

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Don,
> 
> You can turn quicknav on by pressing both left and right-arrow keys, then 
> navigate to form fields by pressing up-arrrow and one of the side arrows till 
> you get there. At this point, you can use the up and down arrow keys to find 
> form fields. The other thing you can do is press command-VO-J to move between 
> form fields. Command-VO-shift-J works to go backward. As far as I know, 
> there's no command for moving between text boxes.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
>> On 12/14/2013 06:31 PM, don bishop wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is there an easy and quick way to locate a field on a web page where you 
>> need to enter data such as a username or even a search argument.
>> Currently withsafari and mavericks I just poke around until I find it.  This 
>> is especially a problem with a new web page or  one I don’t visit often.
>> 
>> Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Don
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bluetooth keyboard command for iPod screen lock?

2013-12-14 Thread John Sanfilippo

Hello,

I'm using an RII bluetooth keyboard with my iPod fourth generation. I've 
discovered that screen lock can be your best friend as it protects against 
unwanted changes.

Pressing the home key on the keyboard wakes the ipod up. But is there a key 
command to lock the screen? I'd rather not have to push the button on the ipod.

Advanced thanks for any input.

John S

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Re: Questions About Using The Braille Edge With Files Produced On The Mac

2013-12-14 Thread Lisette Wesseling

You can delete those folders on a Windows machine but not on the Mac, and 
obviously not on the Edge as it will delete the whole card. No idea why.

Lisette

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> Hi Lisette,
> 
> Thanks so much for your help!  I should have remembered that command because 
> it’s just like on the Braille Sense Plus I used to have.  The odd thing is 
> that I now have 3 of those funny folders at the top of my list, but I guess I 
> dare not delete any of them since I don’t want to take a chance!  :)  At 
> least I can get rid of all the other ghost files though!
> 
> Desi
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 1:16 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
> wrote:
> 
>> You can just select files by pressing space on them. Then d chord will 
>> delete all selected files.
>> I too have tried deleting that top folder to my cost. you just have to 
>> ignore the ghost files and that funny folder. It’s something the Mac puts 
>> there for its own reasons I don’t understand.
>> Can’t help you with the pairing issue as I’ve had no trouble pairing my 
>> Braille Edge with my iPhone. Sorry…
>> 
>> 
>> Lisette
>> 
>> On 14/12/2013, at 12:43 pm, Desi Noller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Gigi,
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for your help!  Do you know if there is a way to delete 
>>> multiple files?
>>> 
>>> Desi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 No it is not the number 80. It is
 
 ", And I'm not sure why that choice was made but you can just ignore it. 
 As for the ghost files as far as I know you get them what do you want them 
 or not. You can just delete the things and fine or you can ignore them 
 
 And when you want to get a file, just type in the first letter of the 
 filename and it will go past all those things. Sent from my iPhone
 
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> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I just acquired a Braille Edge 40, and one of the things I did almost 
> immediately, was to copy some files from my iMac on to an SD card.  I 
> placed the card in the Braille Edge, and while my folder structure was 
> perfect, I noticed that there were two versions of every file I had 
> placed there!  One of the file names had a bunch of underline symbols in 
> them, while the other version didn’t.  When I tried to open the ones with 
> the extra symbols, I saw “Mac OSX followed by a bunch of stuff I couldn’t 
> interpret.  When I opened the files that had no extra symbols, they 
> looked perfectly normal and were just as I expected them to be.  I also 
> forgot to mention, that the top two folder names in my Braille Edge 
> NotePad were designated by only a pair of quotes and did not seem to 
> open.  I deleted all of the extra versions of my own files, leaving only 
> the accurate versions on my card, and then I decided in order to tidy 
> things up I would delete the folders with the quotes.  That was 
> definitely a mistake!  When the delete was completed, I got the chilling 
> message “No Items.”  Copying them back on to my card from my iMac won’t 
> be a problem, but how do I make sure that all of those “Ghost” files 
> don’t come back?  Furthermore, what are the files that were designated by 
> just the pair of quotes, or what could also have been the number 80?  
> 
> Also, when I tried to pair my Braille Edge with my iPhone 4S following 
> the instructions on the HIMS web site, I got a message saying, “Unable to 
> load driver.”  I’m running version 1.1, I don’t remember the exact build 
> number, but I think it came out in September.  Any help with these issues 
> would be most appreciated!
> 
> Desi
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Re: locating edit boxes on web pages

2013-12-14 Thread don bishop

Hi all,

Thanks for the responses to my question.  It really helps a lot.

Don

On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> Another thing you could do, that makes this easy for me, his use the web 
> Brodeur and make sure that text boxes is in there. The option is called "text 
> fields "
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Don,
>> 
>> You can turn quicknav on by pressing both left and right-arrow keys, then 
>> navigate to form fields by pressing up-arrrow and one of the side arrows 
>> till you get there. At this point, you can use the up and down arrow keys to 
>> find form fields. The other thing you can do is press command-VO-J to move 
>> between form fields. Command-VO-shift-J works to go backward. As far as I 
>> know, there's no command for moving between text boxes.
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>>> On 12/14/2013 06:31 PM, don bishop wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is there an easy and quick way to locate a field on a web page where you 
>>> need to enter data such as a username or even a search argument.
>>> Currently withsafari and mavericks I just poke around until I find it.  
>>> This is especially a problem with a new web page or  one I don’t visit 
>>> often.
>>> 
>>> Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Don
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Re: A no mail question

2013-12-14 Thread Chris Blouch

Done. You can also choose Digest which gives you one big email a day 
with all the messages concatenated together.


CB

On 12/14/13 7:05 PM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

I can not see by the website how to set the list to no mail. Is it possible to 
set this list to no mail by email? Thank you.
Î
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Written using a 27inch iMac



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Facebook Filtering

Hey all,

Has anyone figured out how to do this to their timeline? I just read an article 
that Facebook allows you to filter out topics you don't want to hear about in 
your timeline, example photos of cats. I would love being a blind user to get 
rid of the annoying so and so has uploaded 56 new photos to their timeline. I 
want to get rid of all posts about photos. I know if someone would have figured 
this out we probably would have heard of it by now. If you can filter out 
photos of cars, than why not all photos. Please let us know if anyone figures 
this one out. Thanks

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Re: Bluetooth Speakers Question

Hi,

With a little practice, and memorization, you can fix this with out restarting 
your Mac.  First, you can open the sounds preferences by pressing FN option F11 
or F12.  Note: FN depends on how you have function keys set up in your keyboard 
preferences.  You might have to only press Option plus F11 or F12.  So, if 
output was the last tab you were in in sound preferences, this is remembered.  
If you want to make extra sure your in the output tab, as soon as you open 
sound preferences press VO right arrow twice, and VO space once to select the 
output tab.  So now all you need do is press VO command T to jump to the output 
table.  Press the up arrow a few times, (with quick nav off) and you should get 
sound back through your built in output.

hth 

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> Hey Nick,
> 
> We must think alike as as soon as I got the bluetooth speakers I went to 
> keyboard to commander to see if I could set a toggle for my speaker output 
> but couldn't find one. Yeah, the bluetooth speakers crapped out again today. 
> I was on a long phone call and heard VO say there was a bluetooth error and 
> sure enough after the call, no voiceover at all. I did figure out finally 
> that restarting the computer will reset the bluetooth speakers so don't have 
> to wait on a sighted person to get VO back, but no turning off of the 
> speakers or anything else has gotten VO back just powering the whole thing 
> down which I hate doing as I lose my focus in my lists in Night Owl.
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bryan,
>> Yes, AirPlay is much more reliable than bluetooth and works perfectly, 
>> assuming you can get VoiceOver to play via AirPlay in the first place.
>> NO, unfortunately there's no way to get VoiceOver to default to the built in 
>> output if bluetooth fails. If there were, there wouldn't be a problem. The 
>> next best thing would be if there were a shortcut keystroke to make 
>> VoiceOver switch to the built in sound output, but I know no way of doing 
>> this either and so far Apple has apparently not acted on my request for one. 
>> :)
>> Nic
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Re: locating edit boxes on web pages

Hi,

Just to add to this, if you decide to turn quick nav on, there is no need to 
use the web rotor.  At this point, you can just use 1 letter navigation like on 
Windows screen readers.  The letter F takes you to the next text field, L, next 
link, B, next button, C, next  checkbox, etc.  

hth

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> Hi, Don,
> 
> You can turn quicknav on by pressing both left and right-arrow keys, then 
> navigate to form fields by pressing up-arrrow and one of the side arrows till 
> you get there. At this point, you can use the up and down arrow keys to find 
> form fields. The other thing you can do is press command-VO-J to move between 
> form fields. Command-VO-shift-J works to go backward. As far as I know, 
> there's no command for moving between text boxes.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> On 12/14/2013 06:31 PM, don bishop wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is there an easy and quick way to locate a field on a web page where you 
>> need to enter data such as a username or even a search argument.
>> Currently withsafari and mavericks I just poke around until I find it.  This 
>> is especially a problem with a new web page or  one I don’t visit often.
>> 
>> Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Don
>> 
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Re: accessing drop box settings

Hi,

In Mavericks, using the latest version of Dropbox, I do not need to option 
click to bring up preferences.  If I go to the dropbox in the status bar, then 
press VO shift space to perform a mouse click I’m put in a system dialog . 
Press VO left arrow once to settings and press VO space on it to open the drop 
down menu.  Arrow down to preferences and your good to go.

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On Dec 14, 2013, at 9:33 PM, David Taylor  wrote:

> Yes, my fix only works in Mavericks as far as I know. Option click may well 
> be your friend.
> 
> On 15 Dec 2013, at 01:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> That worked, thanks. I wish you did not have to option click it though, this 
>> menu should appear any time you click it in my opinion.
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> I found that you need to focus the mouse on the Drop Box item in the Menu 
>>> extras bar, and then, if you Option+click the actual mouse, (making sure 
>>> trackpad commander is off mind you) that will get you access to the Drop 
>>> box prefs.  That what you wanted?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey everyone, has anyone found a way to access the settings for the drop 
 box application? I can open the drop box menu, but trying to activate the 
 settings option with voice over does not work, and if I move the mouse 
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