navigating tables

[Devin Prater]

Hello all. Recently, I've started revisiting an old video game music remix 
repository called OCRemix. At this site, you search for a game, and the list of 
remixes, under the "songs" heading, is in a confusing table. Can anyone give me 
any idea of how these tables work?
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irc clients

[Devin Prater]

So in another OS, I had chatzilla and all sorts of wonderful chat clients that 
worked well. Now, in the mac, is there anything? I've gotten adium to 
half-work, but that's all. I can't display a list of channels, and I really 
wish there was just a simple, stand-alone client I could use.
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Jürgen Fleger]

Just for fun I tried again to move a mailbox to the favoritesbar in Mountain 
Lion OS X 10.8.3 by using VO + komma. I closed the preview pan, maximized the 
window and pressed VO + Shift + F2 to get the window even more to the 
foreground. It didn't help at all. The message: the window could be hidden by 
something.
So Brian, unfortunately you are not alone. And I agree that Apple could have 
and should have fixed a whole bunch of issues which occurred since Lion and 
went on in Mountain Lion.
The only way to bring Apple to see and fix these issues is to send e-mails to 
accessibil...@apple.com
as often as we can and describe the issues as detailed as we can. That's my 
opinion.
All the best
Jürgen

Am 25.05.2013 um 01:39 schrieb Ricardo Walker :

> Hi,
> 
> Just curious,  do you have the preview pane open in Mail?  I don't, I'm 
> wondering if this might be why your having difficulty moving a mailbox to 
> favorites, an I'm not?
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey John,
>> 
>> Yes, I did exactly what you said to do, and yes, the favorites bar was 
>> showing, spent hours on this trying everything VO comma, and the old way VO 
>> shift space bar, and couldn't get anything to work. Finally, I gave up and 
>> had a sighted person come over and do it in 2 seconds. These are the 
>> frustrating things with VO, and would be nice if Apple would address. As far 
>> as I believe, there hasn't been one single improvement to VO since Mountain 
>> Lion rolled out, and I can only get the same answer from Apple accessibility 
>> so many times on several issues. We are aware of the problem, but can't say 
>> when it will be fixed. Something so simple as them reversing the web spots 
>> so when you click VO command right bracket takes you right instead of left, 
>> would have been nice. If they can't fix that which to me seems something 
>> very basic to fix, and worked correctly in Lion, I don't put a lot of stock 
>> in any VO improvements until the next operating system comes out. I get that 
>> only a very small percentage of people use VO, and that Apple cannot commit 
>> a great number of resources to it, but just be honest, instead of treating 
>> us like idiots waiting for a fix. Don't get me wrong I do appreciate Apple's 
>> commitment to accessibility, it's the leading us to think there will be 
>> improvements that annoys me.
>> On May 24, 2013, at 4:05 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>  It isn't easy, but adding mailboxes to the favorites bar is doable with 
>>> VoiceOver.  You must be sure the favorites bar is showing first off, and 
>>> then, be sure you mark the mailbox for drag and drop and then navigate to 
>>> the favorites bar itself to drop the mailbox.  I don't think you need to 
>>> interact with the favorites bar though to drop the mailbox.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 24, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey Nicholas,
 
 You must be one of the very few lucky ones to never have had an I hate my 
 mac day. I tried exactly what you suggested, even quit every application 
 closed everything and restarted my mac, then opened mail first after a 
 restart, and still got the message VO cannot drag the item as the item 
 might be hidden. I then did everything the old fashioned way called 
 someone who could see and had them come over. They confirmed that nothing 
 was blocking the mailbox I was trying to move, and I was still getting the 
 same message. I had them drag and drop the mailbox using the mouse, and 
 they were able to do it in 2 seconds, so yes, this is obviously a bug with 
 Voiceover which leads to having a I hate my mac day, as I hate not being 
 able to do something so simple that should take me two seconds.
 On May 24, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
  wrote:
 
> I've never had an "I hate Mac day" myself.
> 
> When it says something is hidden, I think it usually means there's some 
> other window or application blocking that item on the screen. Using 
> VoiceOver it is of course very difficult to get an idea of what this 
> might be. So what usually works for me is just closing that window or 
> application and opening it again. Also try closing any other windows you 
> might have open. Use the windows chooser (VO-F2 twice quickly) to see if 
> there are any other windows or notifications open. Try quitting all other 
> applications before you try dragging and 

Re: checking input sound

[Ray Foret Jr]

Yes, the app Linein will do exactly waht you want.


Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On May 24, 2013, at 11:31 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Hello all. I don't know if I've asked this before, but is there a way to 
> really make sure the microphone is working without recording anything? I have 
> a headset mic, and don't know if it really works or not. Would this script 
> alex is making work for that?
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Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi Alex,

This is great work.  Thanks for putting in the time and effort.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On May 25, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I'm going to send out a link to a zip file when I'm all done with everything 
> - right now, though the four I have are working properly, I'd consider this 
> to still be in alpha testing. It shouldn't be too long, though.
> 
> Bluetooth is one thing I considered, but had not looked into. I'll do that 
> and see if it is possible. Volume is really simple, though - I'll make a 
> script that gives you everything, and you can use the template to choose what 
> you want to hear.
> On May 24, 2013, at 11:58 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
>> Alex, this is great!  Where would I obtain the scripts that you so far have 
>> done?  I'd like a script that would tell me if bluetooth was enabled or 
>> disabled, discoverable enabled or not enabled, and what devices if any are 
>> currently connected.
>> 
>> The other thing that would be, especially in my professional audio 
>> production environment to know is if you could have v o read the percentage 
>> value of the input volume slider under system prefs/sound/input tab.
>> 
>> This way, at any time, with one keystroke, I could know exactly what my mike 
>> level is set to on my input.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system 
>> status?
>> 
>> 
>> Hey Alex,
>> 
>> Very cool. I would love something if possible to make using the widgets more 
>> accessible not sure if that is possible through scripts. Also for us dummies 
>> is there anywhere we can read up on starting out with scripts. I have never 
>> used any except the time one that you can use through keyboard commanders 
>> and would like to become more familiar with them. Thanks,
>> On May 24, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Now that I have four of them consistently working, I feel ready to share 
>>> what I've been working on for the last couple days. I am putting together a 
>>> series of Apple scripts that will speak information, using VO if it is on 
>>> or the default system speech if it is not. The ones I have so far are CPU, 
>>> ram, wifi, and date/time. The really cool bit, though, is that each starts 
>>> out by setting up a template. You can change this template, using keywords 
>>> to define what is spoken where.
>>> 
>>> Let's look at the time script as an example, since everyone likes to have 
>>> the date and time spoken differently. Right now, I have my template set to:
>>> $24hours:$minutes, $weekday, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
>>> which yields, right now:
>>> 22:55, Friday, May 24, 2013
>>> Don't like 24 hour time? All you need to do is change your template:
>>> $12hours:$minutes $ampm, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
>>> and you'd hear something like:
>>> 10:56 PM, Friday, May 24, 2013
>>> 
>>> My other scripts do the same thing - one keystroke, for instance, and I 
>>> know which wifi network I'm on and at what signal strength. Again, all of 
>>> these have templates with certain keywords, so you can change how the 
>>> script's information is spoken to exactly how you want it.
>>> 
>>> So, my question: what else would you all like to see? I plan one for the 
>>> space on the startup disk, and probably all other attached volumes, plus 
>>> one for battery, but what else would be handy? These scripts are really 
>>> meant to focus on quick bits of information that sighted people can use the 
>>> status menus or dashboard to quickly look at - they have immediate access, 
>>> and now we do too, plus we can fully customize the output. I make no 
>>> promises that all the ideas I receive will make it, but if enough people 
>>> ask for a certain feature, I'll try to add it in. I've thought about 
>>> weather, but I really want to just distribute the scripts and not have any 
>>> additional libraries or anything that you'd have to install. I'll look more 
>>> into weather at some point. So, any small pieces of information you'd like 
>>> to have one-key access to, let me know. thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Windows 8 and boot camp

[Tom Frank]

Hello there,
The latest upgrade allows Windows 8 installation.

Windows 8 works with its limited screen reader but I haven't played around with 
it very much. 
Tom Frank
vermont...@gmail.com




On May 22, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:

> Hi.
> Has anyone done a boot camp install with Windows 8?  I have several 
> questions, perhaps for off list?  Thanks.
> Bill
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Re: Windows 8 and boot camp

[Tom Frank]

My  wife did the installation. I didn't even try so I don't know if it can be 
installed without sight.


Tom Frank
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On May 24, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:

> Thanks.
> Were you able to complete the install yourself or did you need sighted help?
> 
> On May 23, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> 
>> I'm using windows 8 with bootcamp right now and it definitely works... :D
>> 
>> On 5/22/13, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>> Actually, an Apple representative just told me it was, and he gave me a FAQ
>>> for installing it.
>>> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5628?viewlocale=en_US
>>> 
>>> US
>>> 
>>> Q from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On May 22, 2013, at 10:55 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
>>> 
 If I'm not mistaken, only windows 7 is currently supported via bootcamp.
 
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 To: 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:29 AM
 Subject: Windows 8 and boot camp
 
 
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> Has anyone done a boot camp install with Windows 8?  I have several
> questions, perhaps for off list?  Thanks.
> Bill
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Mail preview problem

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys,

Someone may have sent me a emssage about this, but not sure how to change
it.  My view in mail seems to be acting up.  The way it has always worked,
when I do vo left and right arrow it goes between who the message is from,
the subject, and time it came in.  Now it seems to be going between
messages, and it's annoying.  Any idea how to fix this?

Thanks,
Jed

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FW: URGENT: Bookshare Needs Your Help, yes this iso n topic.

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi all,
Although signing petitions like  this  is a violation of journalistic 
ethics for me, I sometimes share them so others can make a decision.

Such is  the case here.
What makes this topical for this list is actually in the wired magazine 
article referenced below.
It indicates that Apple apposes this treaty, without actually providing 
proof for   this.
Or correctly a publishing organization who apposes the treaty is making 
the claim.
I am sharing this so those here can read make their own decision and 
support the effort if they so desire.

Karen


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It's not typical for us to send you an email like this, but we felt this
situation was so important it was necessary.

You may already be aware, but for years negotiations have been moving
forward on what many have come to call the "Treaty
 for
the Blind." The goal of the international treaty is to make it possible
for people who are blind, or have other print disabilities such as
dyslexia, to get access to the books they need for education, employment
and inclusion in society-no matter where they live. It's something we
already do, with great success, in the United States through Bookshare.

However, private interests are trying to alter the treaty in such a way
that it would become useless-even harmful. For example, they're trying
to get language adopted that basically says: "if you can buy it, you
can't borrow it." This is not only an attack on people around the world
with print disabilities-it's also an attack on libraries, like
Bookshare, and could have a drastic effect on the number of books you
have access to.

Our biggest worry is this becoming a treaty that could stop Bookshare
from serving our users in the United States the way we do today.  We
need our government negotiating for a treaty that supports a library
like Bookshare.

That's why we're working with a coalition of disability and library
groups, including the National Federation of the Blind and the American
Council of the Blind, to fight back against the proposed changes by
these private interests. We'll do everything we can to secure a treaty
that both protects the access we have now and that will benefit people
with print disabilities around the world-but we need your help.

We're asking you to take a moment to sign a petition on the White
House's website that urges the President to step up his support:

http://ow.ly/lkJVs. If we can get to 100,000 signatures, the White House
is required to respond to the petition and will, hopefully, take
positive action. With your help we know we can reach that number.  We
also recommend the
 petition at the National Federation of the Blind's site, which
is particularly accessible.

Thank you for your time and support. Together, we believe that our
collective voice can make a real impact.

If you're interested in more background on the treaty, here are some
articles and resources you can review:

*   Huffington Post piece by Jim on how the treaty is being poisoned
by private interests:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-fruchterman/poisoning-the-treaty-for-_
b_3225181.html


*   WIRED Magazine article that gives some recent updates on the
treaty: http://ow.ly/lfP15



Sincerely,
Jim Fruchterman & Betsy Beaumon, Bookshare

P.S. Please post the link to the White House petition on your social
media to help spread the word and get your friends involved! Again, here
is the link:

http://ow.ly/lkJVs.

Note: this advocacy effort by Benetech, the nonprofit organization that
operates Bookshare, has not been supported or endorsed by Bookshare
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Need an iTunes command

[Kristeen Hughes]

Hello,
Can someone tell me the command to change what the music is sorted by in 
iTunes? For example, if one wishes to sort it by artist instead of year.

Thanks.

Kristeen

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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[John Panarese]

There are VO commands to move windows around.  If you use VO-shift-accent , 
you will access the menus for dong this.  You might want to experiment with 
them to see if it helps.


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On May 25, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

> Just for fun I tried again to move a mailbox to the favoritesbar in Mountain 
> Lion OS X 10.8.3 by using VO + komma. I closed the preview pan, maximized the 
> window and pressed VO + Shift + F2 to get the window even more to the 
> foreground. It didn't help at all. The message: the window could be hidden by 
> something.
> So Brian, unfortunately you are not alone. And I agree that Apple could have 
> and should have fixed a whole bunch of issues which occurred since Lion and 
> went on in Mountain Lion.
> The only way to bring Apple to see and fix these issues is to send e-mails to 
> accessibil...@apple.com
> as often as we can and describe the issues as detailed as we can. That's my 
> opinion.
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> Am 25.05.2013 um 01:39 schrieb Ricardo Walker :
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just curious,  do you have the preview pane open in Mail?  I don't, I'm 
>> wondering if this might be why your having difficulty moving a mailbox to 
>> favorites, an I'm not?
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey John,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I did exactly what you said to do, and yes, the favorites bar was 
>>> showing, spent hours on this trying everything VO comma, and the old way VO 
>>> shift space bar, and couldn't get anything to work. Finally, I gave up and 
>>> had a sighted person come over and do it in 2 seconds. These are the 
>>> frustrating things with VO, and would be nice if Apple would address. As 
>>> far as I believe, there hasn't been one single improvement to VO since 
>>> Mountain Lion rolled out, and I can only get the same answer from Apple 
>>> accessibility so many times on several issues. We are aware of the problem, 
>>> but can't say when it will be fixed. Something so simple as them reversing 
>>> the web spots so when you click VO command right bracket takes you right 
>>> instead of left, would have been nice. If they can't fix that which to me 
>>> seems something very basic to fix, and worked correctly in Lion, I don't 
>>> put a lot of stock in any VO improvements until the next operating system 
>>> comes out. I get that only a very small percentage of people use VO, and 
>>> that Apple cannot commit a great number of resources to it, but just be 
>>> honest, instead of treating us like idiots waiting for a fix. Don't get me 
>>> wrong I do appreciate Apple's commitment to accessibility, it's the leading 
>>> us to think there will be improvements that annoys me.
>>> On May 24, 2013, at 4:05 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Brian,
 It isn't easy, but adding mailboxes to the favorites bar is doable with 
 VoiceOver.  You must be sure the favorites bar is showing first off, and 
 then, be sure you mark the mailbox for drag and drop and then navigate to 
 the favorites bar itself to drop the mailbox.  I don't think you need to 
 interact with the favorites bar though to drop the mailbox.
 
 
 Take Care
 
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 Director
 Mac for the Blind
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 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
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 On May 24, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
> Hey Nicholas,
> 
> You must be one of the very few lucky ones to never have had an I hate my 
> mac day. I tried exactly what you suggested, even quit every application 
> closed everything and restarted my mac, then opened mail first after a 
> restart, and still got the message VO cannot drag the item as the item 
> might be hidden. I then did everything the old fashioned way called 
> someone who could see and had them come over. They confirmed that nothing 
> was blocking the mailbox I was trying to move, and I was still getting 
> the same message. I had them drag and drop the mailbox using the mouse, 
> and they were able to do it in 2 seconds, so yes, this is obviously a bug 
> with Voiceover which leads to having a I hate my mac day, as I hate not 
> being able to do something so simple that should take me two seconds.
> On May 24, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>  wrote:

Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Brian Fischler]

Hey, as much as I hate that I am not the only one having this problem, thanks 
for letting me know, as it is nice to know I am not being completely oblivious 
and that others are also having the problem of moving mailboxes. I have given 
up trying as I got a sighted person to do what I needed to do.
On May 25, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

> Just for fun I tried again to move a mailbox to the favoritesbar in Mountain 
> Lion OS X 10.8.3 by using VO + komma. I closed the preview pan, maximized the 
> window and pressed VO + Shift + F2 to get the window even more to the 
> foreground. It didn't help at all. The message: the window could be hidden by 
> something.
> So Brian, unfortunately you are not alone. And I agree that Apple could have 
> and should have fixed a whole bunch of issues which occurred since Lion and 
> went on in Mountain Lion.
> The only way to bring Apple to see and fix these issues is to send e-mails to 
> accessibil...@apple.com
> as often as we can and describe the issues as detailed as we can. That's my 
> opinion.
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> Am 25.05.2013 um 01:39 schrieb Ricardo Walker :
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just curious,  do you have the preview pane open in Mail?  I don't, I'm 
>> wondering if this might be why your having difficulty moving a mailbox to 
>> favorites, an I'm not?
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey John,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I did exactly what you said to do, and yes, the favorites bar was 
>>> showing, spent hours on this trying everything VO comma, and the old way VO 
>>> shift space bar, and couldn't get anything to work. Finally, I gave up and 
>>> had a sighted person come over and do it in 2 seconds. These are the 
>>> frustrating things with VO, and would be nice if Apple would address. As 
>>> far as I believe, there hasn't been one single improvement to VO since 
>>> Mountain Lion rolled out, and I can only get the same answer from Apple 
>>> accessibility so many times on several issues. We are aware of the problem, 
>>> but can't say when it will be fixed. Something so simple as them reversing 
>>> the web spots so when you click VO command right bracket takes you right 
>>> instead of left, would have been nice. If they can't fix that which to me 
>>> seems something very basic to fix, and worked correctly in Lion, I don't 
>>> put a lot of stock in any VO improvements until the next operating system 
>>> comes out. I get that only a very small percentage of people use VO, and 
>>> that Apple cannot commit a great number of resources to it, but just be 
>>> honest, instead of treating us like idiots waiting for a fix. Don't get me 
>>> wrong I do appreciate Apple's commitment to accessibility, it's the leading 
>>> us to think there will be improvements that annoys me.
>>> On May 24, 2013, at 4:05 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Brian,
 It isn't easy, but adding mailboxes to the favorites bar is doable with 
 VoiceOver.  You must be sure the favorites bar is showing first off, and 
 then, be sure you mark the mailbox for drag and drop and then navigate to 
 the favorites bar itself to drop the mailbox.  I don't think you need to 
 interact with the favorites bar though to drop the mailbox.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
 
 On May 24, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
> Hey Nicholas,
> 
> You must be one of the very few lucky ones to never have had an I hate my 
> mac day. I tried exactly what you suggested, even quit every application 
> closed everything and restarted my mac, then opened mail first after a 
> restart, and still got the message VO cannot drag the item as the item 
> might be hidden. I then did everything the old fashioned way called 
> someone who could see and had them come over. They confirmed that nothing 
> was blocking the mailbox I was trying to move, and I was still getting 
> the same message. I had them drag and drop the mailbox using the mouse, 
> and they were able to do it in 2 seconds, so yes, this is obviously a bug 
> with Voiceover which leads to having a I hate my mac day, as I hate not 
> being able to do something so simple that should take me two seconds.
> On May 24, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I've never had an "I hate Mac day" myself.
>> 
>> When it says something is hidden, I think it usually means there's some 
>> other window or application blocking that

Bards survey

[Eugenia Firth]

Hey guys
Just so all y'all know, NOS is putting out a survey on the Bard website. This 
survey involves whether or not you want iPhone, android etc. for getting Bard 
books. Of course I filled mine out and I would have put some exclamation points 
 Afterward if I could have.
Regards,
GG

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Re: Bards survey

[Maxwell Ivey]

yes it was a very simple poll question. no comments field at all.  hope they 
are sincere. take care, max 
On May 25, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hey guys
> Just so all y'all know, NOS is putting out a survey on the Bard website. This 
> survey involves whether or not you want iPhone, android etc. for getting Bard 
> books. Of course I filled mine out and I would have put some exclamation 
> points  Afterward if I could have.
> Regards,
> GG
> 
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Re: irc clients

[Teresa Cochran]

There's colloquy:
http://colloquy.info/downloads.html

HtH,
Teeresa
On May 25, 2013, at 3:22 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> So in another OS, I had chatzilla and all sorts of wonderful chat clients 
> that worked well. Now, in the mac, is there anything? I've gotten adium to 
> half-work, but that's all. I can't display a list of channels, and I really 
> wish there was just a simple, stand-alone client I could use.
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
> Devin prater
> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> Skype:
> devinprater
> msn:
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Re: irc clients

[Devin Prater]

I've tried it. I can't get it to automatically read incoming messages.
sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
Devin prater
email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
Skype:
devinprater
msn:
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On May 25, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> There's colloquy:
> http://colloquy.info/downloads.html
> 
> HtH,
> Teeresa
> On May 25, 2013, at 3:22 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
>> So in another OS, I had chatzilla and all sorts of wonderful chat clients 
>> that worked well. Now, in the mac, is there anything? I've gotten adium to 
>> half-work, but that's all. I can't display a list of channels, and I really 
>> wish there was just a simple, stand-alone client I could use.
>> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
>> Devin prater
>> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>> Skype:
>> devinprater
>> msn:
>> devinpra...@live.com
>> 
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Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[Rod Skene]

Hi Alex, I have radium in the extras menu. When I go to the menu bar, I can 
check the song title and artist. Can you do a script so it will read the 
information from radium that is in the extras menu? Thanks, Rod

Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.

On 25/05/2013, at 6:20 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> This is great work.  Thanks for putting in the time and effort.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 25, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I'm going to send out a link to a zip file when I'm all done with everything 
>> - right now, though the four I have are working properly, I'd consider this 
>> to still be in alpha testing. It shouldn't be too long, though.
>> 
>> Bluetooth is one thing I considered, but had not looked into. I'll do that 
>> and see if it is possible. Volume is really simple, though - I'll make a 
>> script that gives you everything, and you can use the template to choose 
>> what you want to hear.
>> On May 24, 2013, at 11:58 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>>> Alex, this is great!  Where would I obtain the scripts that you so far have 
>>> done?  I'd like a script that would tell me if bluetooth was enabled or 
>>> disabled, discoverable enabled or not enabled, and what devices if any are 
>>> currently connected.
>>> 
>>> The other thing that would be, especially in my professional audio 
>>> production environment to know is if you could have v o read the percentage 
>>> value of the input volume slider under system prefs/sound/input tab.
>>> 
>>> This way, at any time, with one keystroke, I could know exactly what my 
>>> mike level is set to on my input.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system 
>>> status?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey Alex,
>>> 
>>> Very cool. I would love something if possible to make using the widgets 
>>> more accessible not sure if that is possible through scripts. Also for us 
>>> dummies is there anywhere we can read up on starting out with scripts. I 
>>> have never used any except the time one that you can use through keyboard 
>>> commanders and would like to become more familiar with them. Thanks,
>>> On May 24, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 Now that I have four of them consistently working, I feel ready to share 
 what I've been working on for the last couple days. I am putting together 
 a series of Apple scripts that will speak information, using VO if it is 
 on or the default system speech if it is not. The ones I have so far are 
 CPU, ram, wifi, and date/time. The really cool bit, though, is that each 
 starts out by setting up a template. You can change this template, using 
 keywords to define what is spoken where.
 
 Let's look at the time script as an example, since everyone likes to have 
 the date and time spoken differently. Right now, I have my template set to:
 $24hours:$minutes, $weekday, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
 which yields, right now:
 22:55, Friday, May 24, 2013
 Don't like 24 hour time? All you need to do is change your template:
 $12hours:$minutes $ampm, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
 and you'd hear something like:
 10:56 PM, Friday, May 24, 2013
 
 My other scripts do the same thing - one keystroke, for instance, and I 
 know which wifi network I'm on and at what signal strength. Again, all of 
 these have templates with certain keywords, so you can change how the 
 script's information is spoken to exactly how you want it.
 
 So, my question: what else would you all like to see? I plan one for the 
 space on the startup disk, and probably all other attached volumes, plus 
 one for battery, but what else would be handy? These scripts are really 
 meant to focus on quick bits of information that sighted people can use 
 the status menus or dashboard to quickly look at - they have immediate 
 access, and now we do too, plus we can fully customize the output. I make 
 no promises that all the ideas I receive will make it, but if enough 
 people ask for a certain feature, I'll try to add it in. I've thought 
 about weather, but I really want to just distribute the scripts and not 
 have any additional libraries or anything that you'd have to install. I'll 
 look more into weather at some point. So, any small pieces of information 
 you'd like to have one-key access to, let me know. thanks.
 
 
 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[Alex Hall]

Sorry, what's Radium? Is it a media player, or does it integrate with iTunes or 
some other player?
On May 25, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Rod Skene  wrote:

> Hi Alex, I have radium in the extras menu. When I go to the menu bar, I can 
> check the song title and artist. Can you do a script so it will read the 
> information from radium that is in the extras menu? Thanks, Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
> 
> On 25/05/2013, at 6:20 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> This is great work.  Thanks for putting in the time and effort.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 25, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm going to send out a link to a zip file when I'm all done with 
>>> everything - right now, though the four I have are working properly, I'd 
>>> consider this to still be in alpha testing. It shouldn't be too long, 
>>> though.
>>> 
>>> Bluetooth is one thing I considered, but had not looked into. I'll do that 
>>> and see if it is possible. Volume is really simple, though - I'll make a 
>>> script that gives you everything, and you can use the template to choose 
>>> what you want to hear.
>>> On May 24, 2013, at 11:58 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>>> 
 Alex, this is great!  Where would I obtain the scripts that you so far 
 have done?  I'd like a script that would tell me if bluetooth was enabled 
 or disabled, discoverable enabled or not enabled, and what devices if any 
 are currently connected.
 
 The other thing that would be, especially in my professional audio 
 production environment to know is if you could have v o read the 
 percentage value of the input volume slider under system prefs/sound/input 
 tab.
 
 This way, at any time, with one keystroke, I could know exactly what my 
 mike level is set to on my input.
 
 Chris.
 - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
 To: 
 Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:22 PM
 Subject: Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system 
 status?
 
 
 Hey Alex,
 
 Very cool. I would love something if possible to make using the widgets 
 more accessible not sure if that is possible through scripts. Also for us 
 dummies is there anywhere we can read up on starting out with scripts. I 
 have never used any except the time one that you can use through keyboard 
 commanders and would like to become more familiar with them. Thanks,
 On May 24, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> Now that I have four of them consistently working, I feel ready to share 
> what I've been working on for the last couple days. I am putting together 
> a series of Apple scripts that will speak information, using VO if it is 
> on or the default system speech if it is not. The ones I have so far are 
> CPU, ram, wifi, and date/time. The really cool bit, though, is that each 
> starts out by setting up a template. You can change this template, using 
> keywords to define what is spoken where.
> 
> Let's look at the time script as an example, since everyone likes to have 
> the date and time spoken differently. Right now, I have my template set 
> to:
> $24hours:$minutes, $weekday, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
> which yields, right now:
> 22:55, Friday, May 24, 2013
> Don't like 24 hour time? All you need to do is change your template:
> $12hours:$minutes $ampm, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
> and you'd hear something like:
> 10:56 PM, Friday, May 24, 2013
> 
> My other scripts do the same thing - one keystroke, for instance, and I 
> know which wifi network I'm on and at what signal strength. Again, all of 
> these have templates with certain keywords, so you can change how the 
> script's information is spoken to exactly how you want it.
> 
> So, my question: what else would you all like to see? I plan one for the 
> space on the startup disk, and probably all other attached volumes, plus 
> one for battery, but what else would be handy? These scripts are really 
> meant to focus on quick bits of information that sighted people can use 
> the status menus or dashboard to quickly look at - they have immediate 
> access, and now we do too, plus we can fully customize the output. I make 
> no promises that all the ideas I receive will make it, but if enough 
> people ask for a certain feature, I'll try to add it in. I've thought 
> about weather, but I really want to just distribute the scripts and not 
> have any additional libraries or anything that you'd have to install. 
> I'll look more into weather at some point. So, any small pieces of 
> information you'd like to have one-key access to, let me know. thanks.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex

Re: Expanding & collapsing mailboxes in Mountain Lion

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Brian,


That might be it however, it's not clear that any of the mailboxes are 
collapsed. This has occurred after adding additional accounts. I'm trying to 
manage 4 accounts from Apple Mail.

I've tried interacting and not interacting with the mailbox table but don't 
understand why I can't see all my imap structure of my personal account. Where 
as for the gmail account, I can see all the imap structure.

Gena

On 24 May 2013, at 23:56, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> I think I did the same thing recently. If you are looking to expand and 
> collapse mailboxes and the standard VO left and right arrows isn't working, 
> try the old command of VO slash the key to the right of the right bracket and 
> below backspace, it is working on mine to collapse and expand mailboxes that 
> I cannot interact with using the arrows. Hope this helps.
> On May 24, 2013, at 6:48 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I'm pulling my hair out here because I've done something to my configuration 
>> so that I can't see all my mailboxes at level 2. They are imap boxes and I 
>> can only see the inboxes, trash and sent boxes. But a structure of folders 
>> and mailboxes for storing is still on the server and accessible as I can 
>> move messages to them but I can't traverse them. In order to read messages 
>> in those folders at level 2. I can access them on another machine, it's 
>> something I've done on this MP.
>> 
>> Anyone got any ideas of what I need to do to reveal all my filed messages?
>> 
>> Many thanks for your attention and suggestions.
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
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Re: Expanding & collapsing mailboxes in Mountain Lion

[Danny Noonan]

Just a clarification but slash is next to the right shift. Forward slash to be 
fully correct. Back slash which is the key you use with VO to expand or in 
expand mail boxes in the mailbox list in apple mail is the key you were 
mentioning. 
Danny 

Sent from my iPhone

On 25/05/2013, at 8:56 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> I think I did the same thing recently. If you are looking to expand and 
> collapse mailboxes and the standard VO left and right arrows isn't working, 
> try the old command of VO slash the key to the right of the right bracket and 
> below backspace, it is working on mine to collapse and expand mailboxes that 
> I cannot interact with using the arrows. Hope this helps.
> On May 24, 2013, at 6:48 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I'm pulling my hair out here because I've done something to my configuration 
>> so that I can't see all my mailboxes at level 2. They are imap boxes and I 
>> can only see the inboxes, trash and sent boxes. But a structure of folders 
>> and mailboxes for storing is still on the server and accessible as I can 
>> move messages to them but I can't traverse them. In order to read messages 
>> in those folders at level 2. I can access them on another machine, it's 
>> something I've done on this MP.
>> 
>> Anyone got any ideas of what I need to do to reveal all my filed messages?
>> 
>> Many thanks for your attention and suggestions.
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
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Re: Expanding & collapsing mailboxes in Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Gina, Ok, I am not sure what exactly you are not seeing, if you are trying 
to look at your account incoming and outgoing servers for each account you need 
to do that in preferences go into the table and then stop interacting and move 
to the right to see the details of each account. If you are looking to see your 
inbox, drafts, etc for each individual account that can be viewed in the 
mailbox table by toggling open each account. Hope this helps.
On May 25, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

> Hello Brian,
> 
> 
> That might be it however, it's not clear that any of the mailboxes are 
> collapsed. This has occurred after adding additional accounts. I'm trying to 
> manage 4 accounts from Apple Mail.
> 
> I've tried interacting and not interacting with the mailbox table but don't 
> understand why I can't see all my imap structure of my personal account. 
> Where as for the gmail account, I can see all the imap structure.
> 
> Gena
> 
> On 24 May 2013, at 23:56, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey,
>> 
>> I think I did the same thing recently. If you are looking to expand and 
>> collapse mailboxes and the standard VO left and right arrows isn't working, 
>> try the old command of VO slash the key to the right of the right bracket 
>> and below backspace, it is working on mine to collapse and expand mailboxes 
>> that I cannot interact with using the arrows. Hope this helps.
>> On May 24, 2013, at 6:48 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I'm pulling my hair out here because I've done something to my 
>>> configuration so that I can't see all my mailboxes at level 2. They are 
>>> imap boxes and I can only see the inboxes, trash and sent boxes. But a 
>>> structure of folders and mailboxes for storing is still on the server and 
>>> accessible as I can move messages to them but I can't traverse them. In 
>>> order to read messages in those folders at level 2. I can access them on 
>>> another machine, it's something I've done on this MP.
>>> 
>>> Anyone got any ideas of what I need to do to reveal all my filed messages?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for your attention and suggestions.
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
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iTunes Question Resuming Play from last position

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I am not sure what I am doing wrong here, as I have downloaded a bunch of audio 
movies, and have gone into the Get Info section and options and checked the box 
to play from last position, yet if I start watching a movie and pause it to 
resume a day or two later, the movie always goes back to the beginning. Am I 
misunderstanding the function? I would have assumed by checking this box the 
track would resume from where you left off. Does anyone know if there is a way 
to do that?Thanks

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Re: iTunes Question Resuming Play from last position

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Try treating the movie as an audiobook.  In the get info dialog, select the 
option tab, and select media kind as audiobook.  It will move our movies to the 
books section of iTunes but, this should insure it remembers the place you left 
off. 

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On May 25, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I am not sure what I am doing wrong here, as I have downloaded a bunch of 
> audio movies, and have gone into the Get Info section and options and checked 
> the box to play from last position, yet if I start watching a movie and pause 
> it to resume a day or two later, the movie always goes back to the beginning. 
> Am I misunderstanding the function? I would have assumed by checking this box 
> the track would resume from where you left off. Does anyone know if there is 
> a way to do that?Thanks
> 
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Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

radium is a internet radio app.  like ootunes or tuneIn on IOS.

Ricardo Walker
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On May 25, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Sorry, what's Radium? Is it a media player, or does it integrate with iTunes 
> or some other player?
> On May 25, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Rod Skene  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex, I have radium in the extras menu. When I go to the menu bar, I can 
>> check the song title and artist. Can you do a script so it will read the 
>> information from radium that is in the extras menu? Thanks, Rod
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
>> 
>> On 25/05/2013, at 6:20 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> This is great work.  Thanks for putting in the time and effort.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On May 25, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm going to send out a link to a zip file when I'm all done with 
 everything - right now, though the four I have are working properly, I'd 
 consider this to still be in alpha testing. It shouldn't be too long, 
 though.
 
 Bluetooth is one thing I considered, but had not looked into. I'll do that 
 and see if it is possible. Volume is really simple, though - I'll make a 
 script that gives you everything, and you can use the template to choose 
 what you want to hear.
 On May 24, 2013, at 11:58 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
 
> Alex, this is great!  Where would I obtain the scripts that you so far 
> have done?  I'd like a script that would tell me if bluetooth was enabled 
> or disabled, discoverable enabled or not enabled, and what devices if any 
> are currently connected.
> 
> The other thing that would be, especially in my professional audio 
> production environment to know is if you could have v o read the 
> percentage value of the input volume slider under system 
> prefs/sound/input tab.
> 
> This way, at any time, with one keystroke, I could know exactly what my 
> mike level is set to on my input.
> 
> Chris.
> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:22 PM
> Subject: Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system 
> status?
> 
> 
> Hey Alex,
> 
> Very cool. I would love something if possible to make using the widgets 
> more accessible not sure if that is possible through scripts. Also for us 
> dummies is there anywhere we can read up on starting out with scripts. I 
> have never used any except the time one that you can use through keyboard 
> commanders and would like to become more familiar with them. Thanks,
> On May 24, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> Now that I have four of them consistently working, I feel ready to share 
>> what I've been working on for the last couple days. I am putting 
>> together a series of Apple scripts that will speak information, using VO 
>> if it is on or the default system speech if it is not. The ones I have 
>> so far are CPU, ram, wifi, and date/time. The really cool bit, though, 
>> is that each starts out by setting up a template. You can change this 
>> template, using keywords to define what is spoken where.
>> 
>> Let's look at the time script as an example, since everyone likes to 
>> have the date and time spoken differently. Right now, I have my template 
>> set to:
>> $24hours:$minutes, $weekday, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
>> which yields, right now:
>> 22:55, Friday, May 24, 2013
>> Don't like 24 hour time? All you need to do is change your template:
>> $12hours:$minutes $ampm, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
>> and you'd hear something like:
>> 10:56 PM, Friday, May 24, 2013
>> 
>> My other scripts do the same thing - one keystroke, for instance, and I 
>> know which wifi network I'm on and at what signal strength. Again, all 
>> of these have templates with certain keywords, so you can change how the 
>> script's information is spoken to exactly how you want it.
>> 
>> So, my question: what else would you all like to see? I plan one for the 
>> space on the startup disk, and probably all other attached volumes, plus 
>> one for battery, but what else would be handy? These scripts are really 
>> meant to focus on quick bits of information that sighted people can use 
>> the status menus or dashboard to quickly look at - they have immediate 
>> access, and now we do too, plus we can fully customize the output. I 
>> make no promises that all the ideas I receive will make it, but if 
>> enough people ask for a certain feature, I'll try to add it in. I've 
>> thought about weather, but I really want to ju

Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[Alex Hall]

Ah, got it. Well, that depends on whether or not Radium has an Applescript 
dictionary. Is it a free app so I can test it, and/or can someone send me the 
SDEF file for it, assuming it has one?
On May 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> radium is a internet radio app.  like ootunes or tuneIn on IOS.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 25, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, what's Radium? Is it a media player, or does it integrate with iTunes 
>> or some other player?
>> On May 25, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Rod Skene  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex, I have radium in the extras menu. When I go to the menu bar, I can 
>>> check the song title and artist. Can you do a script so it will read the 
>>> information from radium that is in the extras menu? Thanks, Rod
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
>>> 
>>> On 25/05/2013, at 6:20 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 This is great work.  Thanks for putting in the time and effort.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On May 25, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> I'm going to send out a link to a zip file when I'm all done with 
> everything - right now, though the four I have are working properly, I'd 
> consider this to still be in alpha testing. It shouldn't be too long, 
> though.
> 
> Bluetooth is one thing I considered, but had not looked into. I'll do 
> that and see if it is possible. Volume is really simple, though - I'll 
> make a script that gives you everything, and you can use the template to 
> choose what you want to hear.
> On May 24, 2013, at 11:58 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
>> Alex, this is great!  Where would I obtain the scripts that you so far 
>> have done?  I'd like a script that would tell me if bluetooth was 
>> enabled or disabled, discoverable enabled or not enabled, and what 
>> devices if any are currently connected.
>> 
>> The other thing that would be, especially in my professional audio 
>> production environment to know is if you could have v o read the 
>> percentage value of the input volume slider under system 
>> prefs/sound/input tab.
>> 
>> This way, at any time, with one keystroke, I could know exactly what my 
>> mike level is set to on my input.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system 
>> status?
>> 
>> 
>> Hey Alex,
>> 
>> Very cool. I would love something if possible to make using the widgets 
>> more accessible not sure if that is possible through scripts. Also for 
>> us dummies is there anywhere we can read up on starting out with 
>> scripts. I have never used any except the time one that you can use 
>> through keyboard commanders and would like to become more familiar with 
>> them. Thanks,
>> On May 24, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Now that I have four of them consistently working, I feel ready to 
>>> share what I've been working on for the last couple days. I am putting 
>>> together a series of Apple scripts that will speak information, using 
>>> VO if it is on or the default system speech if it is not. The ones I 
>>> have so far are CPU, ram, wifi, and date/time. The really cool bit, 
>>> though, is that each starts out by setting up a template. You can 
>>> change this template, using keywords to define what is spoken where.
>>> 
>>> Let's look at the time script as an example, since everyone likes to 
>>> have the date and time spoken differently. Right now, I have my 
>>> template set to:
>>> $24hours:$minutes, $weekday, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
>>> which yields, right now:
>>> 22:55, Friday, May 24, 2013
>>> Don't like 24 hour time? All you need to do is change your template:
>>> $12hours:$minutes $ampm, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
>>> and you'd hear something like:
>>> 10:56 PM, Friday, May 24, 2013
>>> 
>>> My other scripts do the same thing - one keystroke, for instance, and I 
>>> know which wifi network I'm on and at what signal strength. Again, all 
>>> of these have templates with certain keywords, so you can change how 
>>> the script's information is spoken to exactly how you want it.
>>> 
>>> So, my question: what else would you all like to see? I plan one for 
>>> the space on the startup disk, and probably all other attached volumes, 
>>> plus one for battery, but what else would be handy? These scripts are 
>>> really meant to focus on quick bits of information that sighted

Re: Mail preview problem

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I'd guess that your Mail is now in the New view and was previously in Classic 
View.  If you wish it back in Classic View, go into your Mail Preferences under 
the View pane.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-05-25, at 9:16 AM, Jed Barton  wrote:

> Hey guys,
> 
> Someone may have sent me a emssage about this, but not sure how to change
> it.  My view in mail seems to be acting up.  The way it has always worked,
> when I do vo left and right arrow it goes between who the message is from,
> the subject, and time it came in.  Now it seems to be going between
> messages, and it's annoying.  Any idea how to fix this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jed
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RE: Mail preview problem

[Jed Barton]

oh cool, nice!

  _  

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Hi, 

I'd guess that your Mail is now in the New view and was previously in
Classic View.  If you wish it back in Classic View, go into your Mail
Preferences under the View pane.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-05-25, at 9:16 AM, Jed Barton  wrote:


Hey guys,

Someone may have sent me a emssage about this, but not sure how to change
it.  My view in mail seems to be acting up.  The way it has always worked,
when I do vo left and right arrow it goes between who the message is from,
the subject, and time it came in.  Now it seems to be going between
messages, and it's annoying.  Any idea how to fix this?

Thanks,
Jed

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Re: Need an iTunes command

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You can sort by any of the columns within your Songs or Playlist table with the 
regular VO sort command of VO-shift-back slash.  Make sure that your songs are 
in List view, Interact with the Table, press VO-shift-back slash, navigate 
right or left to the column you wish things sorted by, then press VO-space.  
Pressing it once will sort ascending and a second time will sort it descending. 
 Press VO-shift-back slas again to toggle out of the sort headers.

HTH.

Later...

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On 2013-05-25, at 10:30 AM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:

> Hello,
> Can someone tell me the command to change what the music is sorted by in 
> iTunes? For example, if one wishes to sort it by artist instead of year.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kristeen
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Re: iTunes Question Resuming Play from last position

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Ricardo,

Just went to do this, but the option media kind is dim and I can't click on the 
pop up button to change the file to an audio book. Any ideas? Thanks
On May 25, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Try treating the movie as an audiobook.  In the get info dialog, select the 
> option tab, and select media kind as audiobook.  It will move our movies to 
> the books section of iTunes but, this should insure it remembers the place 
> you left off. 
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 25, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I am not sure what I am doing wrong here, as I have downloaded a bunch of 
>> audio movies, and have gone into the Get Info section and options and 
>> checked the box to play from last position, yet if I start watching a movie 
>> and pause it to resume a day or two later, the movie always goes back to the 
>> beginning. Am I misunderstanding the function? I would have assumed by 
>> checking this box the track would resume from where you left off. Does 
>> anyone know if there is a way to do that?Thanks
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Re: Need an iTunes command

[Alex Hall]

I could never get this to work. How do I change to list view? I suspect that 
was my problem...
On May 25, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You can sort by any of the columns within your Songs or Playlist table with 
> the regular VO sort command of VO-shift-back slash.  Make sure that your 
> songs are in List view, Interact with the Table, press VO-shift-back slash, 
> navigate right or left to the column you wish things sorted by, then press 
> VO-space.  Pressing it once will sort ascending and a second time will sort 
> it descending.  Press VO-shift-back slas again to toggle out of the sort 
> headers.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2013-05-25, at 10:30 AM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> Can someone tell me the command to change what the music is sorted by in 
>> iTunes? For example, if one wishes to sort it by artist instead of year.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kristeen
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Re: Bards survey

[Kerri]

Nice, wish we could utilize the service here in Canada.
On 2013-05-25, at 10:25 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hey guys
> Just so all y'all know, NOS is putting out a survey on the Bard website. This 
> survey involves whether or not you want iPhone, android etc. for getting Bard 
> books. Of course I filled mine out and I would have put some exclamation 
> points  Afterward if I could have.
> Regards,
> GG
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Re: Assisting an App developer with accessibility issues

[Esther]

Hi Mike,

A web search shows that Appcelerator Titanium is a software
development kit that allows app developers to design apps for multiple
mobile platforms (Android, iOS, BlackBerry, and Windows) using a
single design interface/code base.  As such, the developer's comment
is probably correct: if he were using Interface Builder, supplied by
Apple for iOS app development, it's highly likely that many features
that aid in an app's accessibility would get implemented by default,
even if the developer is not aware of VoiceOver. Since the
Appcelerator Titanium SDK likely aims for a kind of lowest common
denominator of performance across 4 mobile platforms, 3 of which have
no accessibility guidelines built into the basic app interface, it's
quite likely that some of these features won't be implemented.  I'd
guess that it might still be possible to run the designed app through
Interface Builder for evaluation purposes.

You might point the developer to Matt Legend Gemmell's blog post,
"Accessibility for iPhone and iPad apps"
http://mattgemmell.com/2010/12/19/accessibility-for-iphone-and-ipad-apps/

There are other resources listed on the AppleVis page for developers
at:
http://www.applevis.com/information-app-developers


HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On May 24, 5:29 am, Mike Busboom  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have encountered an app that, I believe, would be very useful to blind 
> iPhone and iPad users who work in multilingual environments.  When I notified 
> the app developer that the buttons in his app weren't accessibly labelled, he 
> said:
> "
>
> I'm very sorry to hear that the buttons are not labeled in a way that works 
> with VoiceOver. This may be due to the programming environment I use (called 
> Appcelerator Titanium). I'll investigate that!"
>
> Will he be able to rectify this situation within the constraints of his 
> programming environment and if so, what should he do?  I myself am not a 
> programmer, but I will pass along any useful information to him.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mike

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Re: Need an iTunes command

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

In the Songs view, it should automatically be in List view unless you have the 
Column Browser enabled.  Make sure that the Column Browser is not enabled and 
you should be able to sort as mentioned when in that view.  When in Playlists, 
the List view option is within the View menu that is just to the right of the 
Shuffle button on the main iTunes screen.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-05-25, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I could never get this to work. How do I change to list view? I suspect that 
> was my problem...
> On May 25, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can sort by any of the columns within your Songs or Playlist table with 
>> the regular VO sort command of VO-shift-back slash.  Make sure that your 
>> songs are in List view, Interact with the Table, press VO-shift-back slash, 
>> navigate right or left to the column you wish things sorted by, then press 
>> VO-space.  Pressing it once will sort ascending and a second time will sort 
>> it descending.  Press VO-shift-back slas again to toggle out of the sort 
>> headers.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2013-05-25, at 10:30 AM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Can someone tell me the command to change what the music is sorted by in 
>>> iTunes? For example, if one wishes to sort it by artist instead of year.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
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Re: Expanding & collapsing mailboxes in Mountain Lion

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi,

Just to clarify, in your mailbox list, at the top, are a bunch of special 
mailboxes. These are special because they group together mailboxes of the same 
type from different accounts. These include inbox, sent, drafts, trash, 
archived etcetera. YOu can expand and collapse each of these (inbox, 
sent,drafts etcetera) using the VO-BACKSLASH keystroke. Below these are your 
accounts with all their IMAP folder structures. At the top might even be an On 
My Mac section if you have local mailboxes. You can expand and collapse each of 
these account folders to reveal or hide their contents with VO-BAKCSLASH. If 
any of the folders contain sub-folders you can again expand and collapse them 
with VO-BACKSLASH.

In short, your accounts with all their IMAP folders should be at the bottom of 
the mailbox list and can be expanded and collapsed. They might not contain 
inbox, drafts, sent, trash, junk, archived etcetera as these are up the top in 
the special folders section. If you have any custom folders, however, they 
should appear here down the bottom. If They are expanded but simply don't 
contain the custom folders you have on the server then I'm not sure what's 
going on. Might be a question for Apple Care or one of the Apple Support forums.

Hope this is of some help.

On 25/05/2013, at 8:48 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello All,

I'm pulling my hair out here because I've done something to my configuration so 
that I can't see all my mailboxes at level 2. They are imap boxes and I can 
only see the inboxes, trash and sent boxes. But a structure of folders and 
mailboxes for storing is still on the server and accessible as I can move 
messages to them but I can't traverse them. In order to read messages in those 
folders at level 2. I can access them on another machine, it's something I've 
done on this MP.

Anyone got any ideas of what I need to do to reveal all my filed messages?

Many thanks for your attention and suggestions.

Gena


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Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi Alex,

This is a fantastic project you're doing. Thanks for your time and effort as it 
will benefit many.

RE time, would it be possible to separate the date and time, so we could have 
one key for the time and another for date?

Wifi and RAM usage you've already mentioned, and I reckon they're great ideas.

There's already a freely available script for battery status. I have it on my 
MacBook. It's fantastic.

One that I'd really like, is for the name and artist of the currently playing 
song in iTunes.

Another idea might be for the sound output device. I usually just pop up to 
Audio Switcher in the extras menu, but I guess a simple keystroke would be 
easier.

Other ideas might be related to Calendar, Reminders or Notification Center. A 
key press to see how many items/badges there are in Reminders, or to read out 
today's reminders. Or one to read out today's Calendar events. Or To read out 
Notification Center alerts. I'm not exactly sure what, if anything, related to 
this kind of thing would be possible with Apple Scripts, so can't give too much 
more information. But hopefully with that encouragement your innovative spirit 
can run wild. Basically, I like Calendar and Reminders so something to let me 
know what I need to do and when would be great.

Look forward to hearing more on your progress.

Nic


On 26/05/2013, at 9:03 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Ah, got it. Well, that depends on whether or not Radium has an Applescript 
dictionary. Is it a free app so I can test it, and/or can someone send me the 
SDEF file for it, assuming it has one?
On May 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> radium is a internet radio app.  like ootunes or tuneIn on IOS.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 25, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, what's Radium? Is it a media player, or does it integrate with iTunes 
>> or some other player?
>> On May 25, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Rod Skene  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex, I have radium in the extras menu. When I go to the menu bar, I can 
>>> check the song title and artist. Can you do a script so it will read the 
>>> information from radium that is in the extras menu? Thanks, Rod
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
>>> 
>>> On 25/05/2013, at 6:20 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 This is great work.  Thanks for putting in the time and effort.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On May 25, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> I'm going to send out a link to a zip file when I'm all done with 
> everything - right now, though the four I have are working properly, I'd 
> consider this to still be in alpha testing. It shouldn't be too long, 
> though.
> 
> Bluetooth is one thing I considered, but had not looked into. I'll do 
> that and see if it is possible. Volume is really simple, though - I'll 
> make a script that gives you everything, and you can use the template to 
> choose what you want to hear.
> On May 24, 2013, at 11:58 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
>> Alex, this is great!  Where would I obtain the scripts that you so far 
>> have done?  I'd like a script that would tell me if bluetooth was 
>> enabled or disabled, discoverable enabled or not enabled, and what 
>> devices if any are currently connected.
>> 
>> The other thing that would be, especially in my professional audio 
>> production environment to know is if you could have v o read the 
>> percentage value of the input volume slider under system 
>> prefs/sound/input tab.
>> 
>> This way, at any time, with one keystroke, I could know exactly what my 
>> mike level is set to on my input.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system 
>> status?
>> 
>> 
>> Hey Alex,
>> 
>> Very cool. I would love something if possible to make using the widgets 
>> more accessible not sure if that is possible through scripts. Also for 
>> us dummies is there anywhere we can read up on starting out with 
>> scripts. I have never used any except the time one that you can use 
>> through keyboard commanders and would like to become more familiar with 
>> them. Thanks,
>> On May 24, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Now that I have four of them consistently working, I feel ready to 
>>> share what I've been working on for the last couple days. I am putting 
>>> together a series of Apple scripts that will speak information, using 
>>> VO if it is on or the default system speech if it is not. The ones I 
>>> have s