Re: How to add apps to the doc and searching on google with safari?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

The reason why they don't get along, is because Google and Apple are at war!

Kawal.

On 10 Jan 2013, at 05:43 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:

> I've noticed with GOogle and Safari, they don't always get a long.
> You will have to turn voiceover off and back on at times.
> 
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
>> Generally you should store your apps in the Applications folder at the top 
>> level of your hard drive, not on your desktop. Most apps probably won't care 
>> but some will and updaters and such tend to assume the Applications folder 
>> as well. Most people tend to use the desktop like a 'work in process' area 
>> for documents that you're currently working on. Once you have the app in the 
>> Applications folder you can select it and add it to the dock.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 1/10/13 11:04 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote:
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Okay so the subject line makes it sound like these two things are very
>>> random but they aren't so please read on.
>>> 
>>> I downloaded a couple of apps from the app store and want to add them
>>> to the doc -- I have found them in finder so they're there... but how
>>> do I go about doing this? I tried looking it up on google (and this is
>>> where it all ties in) as well but...
>>> 
>>> ... is there some sort of trick to this? The reason I ask is because,
>>> whenever I search for something, I get the results with no problem. My
>>> issue is that when I go to select a result, it won't bring me to the
>>> actual page, instead it loads a page with different headings like
>>> "URL" and "5" -- it almost seems like it's just presenting the results
>>> page again but in a way that isn't presented properly. This is using
>>> the latest edition of safari, as I am using a brand new mac mini.
>>> 
>>> Sorry if these are dumb questions with obvious answers -- this is my
>>> first mac and I'm still getting used to how it works. Thanks in
>>> advance for any help you can offer!
>>> 
>>> -Marc
>>> 
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Personally, if you do not need the screen size, the 11in Air is more than fine.

I use a 27in iMac fully specced up 2012 model, and an 11in Air 2012 model, 
upped the processor but not the RAM.

Voice OVer works just fine on both and I'm very happy with both configurations.



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On 9 Jan 2013, at 13:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
> I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
> anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
> if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
> I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
> in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
> Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
> cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
> drive shouldn't be a problem. Thinking about bumping up the RAM to 8GB
> instead of the 4 it comes with, and will probably get a thumb drive
> for anything big I might need. I am not interested in the Ipad as I
> hate typing on it, and do like a full keyboard and the option
> voiceover on the Imac gives me. Thanks
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Re: bad accessibility these days

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
Problem is add edit and delete buttons. I suspect that if you get everything 
together and don't have to do any bad editing or deleting, you might be 
alright. The thing is, you have to do their interview exactly the way they want 
it done if you are using the screen reader. There are workarounds, but I'm 
finding them to be a pain. Since you have been doing it for a long time, maybe 
you can figure about that I can't. Let me know if you do. It's a good thing I 
got till April 15 if I continue to use this thing. I need all that time.
Regards
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> This news about TaxAct is very disconcerting. I used it last tax year with 
> Firefox on my Linux box and it worked pretty well.  If a11y has gotten this 
> bad, I may have to move my records elsewhere.
> 
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi again guys. 
>> I made the change to navigate by images in the Vo utility. Unfortunately, 
>> that resulted in Safari kicking out of the web site three times. Anybothy 
>> got any other ideas? 
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The iMac blue 
tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized keys.

The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are slightly 
reduced in height.

otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.



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On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:

> The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the presence 
> of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on what keyboard 
> you are used to. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
>> I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
>> anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
>> if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
>> I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
>> in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
>> Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
>> cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
>> drive shouldn't be a problem. Thinking about bumping up the RAM to 8GB
>> instead of the 4 it comes with, and will probably get a thumb drive
>> for anything big I might need. I am not interested in the Ipad as I
>> hate typing on it, and do like a full keyboard and the option
>> voiceover on the Imac gives me. Thanks
>> 
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after all, 
it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, it would be 
the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with what I have.

Kawal.

On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The iMac 
> blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized keys.
> 
> The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
> slightly reduced in height.
> 
> otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
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> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
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> 
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> 
> On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the presence 
>> of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on what keyboard 
>> you are used to. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
>>> I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
>>> anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
>>> if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
>>> I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
>>> in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
>>> Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
>>> cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
>>> drive shouldn't be a problem. Thinking about bumping up the RAM to 8GB
>>> instead of the 4 it comes with, and will probably get a thumb drive
>>> for anything big I might need. I am not interested in the Ipad as I
>>> hate typing on it, and do like a full keyboard and the option
>>> voiceover on the Imac gives me. Thanks
>>> 
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A somewhat geeky question about partitioning the internal hard drive

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello folks.
I have a 21 inch Imac running Mountain lion. Now i want to repartition the 
internal hard drive because i've just baught Pro tools and it doesn't play well 
with Voiceover under ML. I take it i have to erase everything and reformat my 
internal drive and somehow make both partitions bootable, one with ML and one 
with Lion and what i wonder is what happens with the recovery pratition when i 
erase and partition the drive? How do i go about reformating so that everything 
is done right?
/Krister

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Re: bad accessibility these days

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi again guys.
Well, after three painful days of working on this site, I finally got that 
Schedule C right within 64 cents. If I can do that with the problems I had, I 
can do anything just about. I had to switch to the iPhone this morning, and 
that helped me not to get as lost. I still have to do those work arounds I 
mentioned. I discovered that heading level 4 was my place to get back to in 
order to edit, etc. 

Safari threw me out of the web site three times this morning and sent its 
report to Apple. On the last time, I put my comments in there because Safari 
didn't throw me out until I put in to navigate by images. 

Regards,
Gigi, who is taking a 
break from taxes until all the forms come in 

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Re: How to add apps to the doc and searching on google with safari?

[Marc Rocheleau]

Actually, it's started to behave since I started navigating with the
web rotor menu instead of just going to the results via quick nav
keys. Weird but, as long as it works, I'm not complaining!

On 1/11/13, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> The reason why they don't get along, is because Google and Apple are at
> war!
>
> Kawal.
>
> On 10 Jan 2013, at 05:43 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
>
>> I've noticed with GOogle and Safari, they don't always get a long.
>> You will have to turn voiceover off and back on at times.
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>
>>> Generally you should store your apps in the Applications folder at the
>>> top level of your hard drive, not on your desktop. Most apps probably
>>> won't care but some will and updaters and such tend to assume the
>>> Applications folder as well. Most people tend to use the desktop like a
>>> 'work in process' area for documents that you're currently working on.
>>> Once you have the app in the Applications folder you can select it and
>>> add it to the dock.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> On 1/10/13 11:04 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote:
 Hey all,

 Okay so the subject line makes it sound like these two things are very
 random but they aren't so please read on.

 I downloaded a couple of apps from the app store and want to add them
 to the doc -- I have found them in finder so they're there... but how
 do I go about doing this? I tried looking it up on google (and this is
 where it all ties in) as well but...

 ... is there some sort of trick to this? The reason I ask is because,
 whenever I search for something, I get the results with no problem. My
 issue is that when I go to select a result, it won't bring me to the
 actual page, instead it loads a page with different headings like
 "URL" and "5" -- it almost seems like it's just presenting the results
 page again but in a way that isn't presented properly. This is using
 the latest edition of safari, as I am using a brand new mac mini.

 Sorry if these are dumb questions with obvious answers -- this is my
 first mac and I'm still getting used to how it works. Thanks in
 advance for any help you can offer!

 -Marc

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Re: go to linked item command (was Question and Comment on Using a Braille Display with a Mac)

[Les Kriegler]

Alex, I think you answered your own question, .  I will only use this 
keystroke in the Mail App.  I spend considerable time reading through Mail in 
Conversation View.  Now, I could press the Return Key, invoke a Read All 
command and then return to the message list.  Being able to jump back and forth 
between the message list and the message text is probably the single keystroke 
I most use given the volume of mail from the Mac Visionaries and VI Phone 
lists.  The proximity of the space bar and the J key on the braille keyboard is 
much preferred over its equivalent on the Mac keyboard.

Les
On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> No problem, but why is it so useful? I understand how it works in the mail 
> app, but aside from that I can't see how or when I would want to use it. How 
> do I know where it will go? What item is linked to what? Must I interact with 
> something first? Can there be chains of links? Perhaps if I had a deep 
> understanding of GUI programming for OS10 I would know this stuff, but I 
> don't so I don't, if that makes sense.
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:48 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Alex, nice catch!  I assigned space with j to the go to linked item command, 
>> and it works from within the messages list.  Thank you, it's  easier on my 
>> hands to press the braille key combination, and I'll be using this keystroke 
>> all of the time now.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:32 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> So, I haven't tested this or followed this thread too closely. I just had a 
>>> look in the commands menus and I think the command you guys want is in the 
>>> navigation menu, called "go to linked item". At least, if you press vo-h 
>>> and go to commands, then navigation, it says that vo-j is assigned to this 
>>> item.
>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
 
 Scott,
 
 Please put the answer to this question on list, and I'm sure it will help 
 others as well. Vo J is such a useful command for those of us who like to 
 use the preview pane in mail.
 
 Mary
 
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
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Re: How to add apps to the doc and searching on google with safari?

[Teresa Cochran]

Once you find an app in the apps folder, you can add it to the dock by pressing 
command-shift-T.

For Google, once you land in the area that says URL, etc., you can stop 
interacting and then try reading the page again. I suspect, but I am not sure, 
that these URL results are in a frame, and you have to stop interacting with 
the frame before moving onto different material on the results page.

HtH,
Teresa


On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:26 AM, Marc Rocheleau  wrote:

> Actually, it's started to behave since I started navigating with the
> web rotor menu instead of just going to the results via quick nav
> keys. Weird but, as long as it works, I'm not complaining!
> 
> On 1/11/13, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> The reason why they don't get along, is because Google and Apple are at
>> war!
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 10 Jan 2013, at 05:43 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
>> 
>>> I've noticed with GOogle and Safari, they don't always get a long.
>>> You will have to turn voiceover off and back on at times.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>> 
 Generally you should store your apps in the Applications folder at the
 top level of your hard drive, not on your desktop. Most apps probably
 won't care but some will and updaters and such tend to assume the
 Applications folder as well. Most people tend to use the desktop like a
 'work in process' area for documents that you're currently working on.
 Once you have the app in the Applications folder you can select it and
 add it to the dock.
 
 CB
 
 On 1/10/13 11:04 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> Okay so the subject line makes it sound like these two things are very
> random but they aren't so please read on.
> 
> I downloaded a couple of apps from the app store and want to add them
> to the doc -- I have found them in finder so they're there... but how
> do I go about doing this? I tried looking it up on google (and this is
> where it all ties in) as well but...
> 
> ... is there some sort of trick to this? The reason I ask is because,
> whenever I search for something, I get the results with no problem. My
> issue is that when I go to select a result, it won't bring me to the
> actual page, instead it loads a page with different headings like
> "URL" and "5" -- it almost seems like it's just presenting the results
> page again but in a way that isn't presented properly. This is using
> the latest edition of safari, as I am using a brand new mac mini.
> 
> Sorry if these are dumb questions with obvious answers -- this is my
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Cheryl Homiak]

Well, actually, mail and safari already have keys assigned so those don't need 
to be set up. But yes, I had kind of been ignoring keyboard commander and now 
am using it more. For instance, I have option-r set up to interact and option-w 
to stop interacting (I thought the backwards braille symbols would help me 
remember what I had set). And I think I'll do the cursor tracking and mouse 
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On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I make use of keyboard commanders and would suggest to anyone using
> voiceover to set commanders to launch all of their favorite programs.
> I have set commanders for mail, safari, newsrack, night owl, sorry
> can't spell the real name of it, RS Games, and so on. I have all set
> activities for the different programs for a couple with different
> voices and turning quickNav off when needed. REally been learning a
> lot of customization to make using voiceover even more effective.
> Ordered the macair and can't wait for it to get here. Thanks again for
> all the advice and suggestions.
> 
> On Jan 9, 8:49 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
>> I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
>> anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
>> if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
>> I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
>> in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
>> Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
>> cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
>> drive shouldn't be a problem. Thinking about bumping up the RAM to 8GB
>> instead of the 4 it comes with, and will probably get a thumb drive
>> for anything big I might need. I am not interested in the Ipad as I
>> hate typing on it, and do like a full keyboard and the option
>> voiceover on the Imac gives me. Thanks
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

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The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a micro SD 
card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 13-inch; the 11-inch, 
lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are USB card readers, but that 
takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after all, 
> it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, it would be 
> the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with what I have.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
> wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The iMac 
>> blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized keys.
>> 
>> The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
>> slightly reduced in height.
>> 
>> otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
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>> 
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>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
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>> 
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>> 
>> On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
>>> presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on what 
>>> keyboard you are used to. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey all,
 
 I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
 I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
 anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
 if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
 I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
 in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
 Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
 cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
 drive shouldn't be a problem. Thinking about bumping up the RAM to 8GB
 instead of the 4 it comes with, and will probably get a thumb drive
 for anything big I might need. I am not interested in the Ipad as I
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Donna Goodin]

why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't even own 
any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just goes on a USB drive.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
> whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a micro 
> SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 13-inch; the 
> 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are USB card readers, 
> but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after 
>> all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, it 
>> would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with what I 
>> have.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The iMac 
>>> blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized keys.
>>> 
>>> The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
>>> slightly reduced in height.
>>> 
>>> otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
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>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
 presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on what 
 keyboard you are used to. 
 
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> 
> I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
> I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
> anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
> if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
> I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
> in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
> Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
> cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
> drive shouldn't be a problem. Thinking about bumping up the RAM to 8GB
> instead of the 4 it comes with, and will probably get a thumb drive
> for anything big I might need. I am not interested in the Ipad as I
> hate typing on it, and do like a full keyboard and the option
> voiceover on the Imac gives me. Thanks
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Re: go to linked item command (was Question and Comment on Using a Braille Display with a Mac)

[Alex Hall]

I only asked because I've heard of people using the command in iTunes, and 
possibly other apps as well, so did not know when and where it is commonly used.
On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:34 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Alex, I think you answered your own question, .  I will only use this 
> keystroke in the Mail App.  I spend considerable time reading through Mail in 
> Conversation View.  Now, I could press the Return Key, invoke a Read All 
> command and then return to the message list.  Being able to jump back and 
> forth between the message list and the message text is probably the single 
> keystroke I most use given the volume of mail from the Mac Visionaries and VI 
> Phone lists.  The proximity of the space bar and the J key on the braille 
> keyboard is much preferred over its equivalent on the Mac keyboard.
> 
> Les
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> No problem, but why is it so useful? I understand how it works in the mail 
>> app, but aside from that I can't see how or when I would want to use it. How 
>> do I know where it will go? What item is linked to what? Must I interact 
>> with something first? Can there be chains of links? Perhaps if I had a deep 
>> understanding of GUI programming for OS10 I would know this stuff, but I 
>> don't so I don't, if that makes sense.
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:48 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Alex, nice catch!  I assigned space with j to the go to linked item 
>>> command, and it works from within the messages list.  Thank you, it's  
>>> easier on my hands to press the braille key combination, and I'll be using 
>>> this keystroke all of the time now.
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:32 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 So, I haven't tested this or followed this thread too closely. I just had 
 a look in the commands menus and I think the command you guys want is in 
 the navigation menu, called "go to linked item". At least, if you press 
 vo-h and go to commands, then navigation, it says that vo-j is assigned to 
 this item.
 On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Please put the answer to this question on list, and I'm sure it will help 
> others as well. Vo J is such a useful command for those of us who like to 
> use the preview pane in mail.
> 
> Mary
> 
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Alex Hall]

Sorry, I didn't explain. The Nifty Mini Drive is a new product for $40, on sale 
at the end of this month I believe. Normally, an sd card sticks out of your mac 
a bit, making it impractical to leave one in there long-term. However, this 
product is a mini sd card adapter which sits flush with the mac's body, making 
it able to be left inserted all the time with no fear of damage to the card 
and/or sd slot. So, if you got the 64gb Air, you can double your storage and 
just use the sd card for media. It's there all the time and is flash-based, but 
you don't need to spring for the much more expensive 128gb Ari, just get the 
adapter and as many cards as you want. To relate this to the topic at hand, my 
point was that the 13-inch Air can be expanded in this way, while the 11-inch, 
lacking an sd slot, cannot.
On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't even own 
> any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just goes on a USB 
> drive.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
>> whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a micro 
>> SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 13-inch; the 
>> 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are USB card 
>> readers, but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after 
>>> all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, it 
>>> would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with what I 
>>> have.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The iMac 
 blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized keys.
 
 The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
 slightly reduced in height.
 
 otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
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 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
> presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on 
> what keyboard you are used to. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
>> I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
>> anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
>> if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
>> I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
>> in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
>> Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
>> cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
>> drive shouldn't be a problem. Thinking about bumping up the RAM to 8GB
>> instead of the 4 it comes with, and will probably get a thumb drive
>> for anything big I might need. I am not interested in the Ipad as I
>> hate typing on it, and do like a full keyboard and the option
>> voiceover on the Imac gives me. Thanks
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Cheryl Homiak]

Well, this is a case of "to each his/her own". Usb thumb drives are larger than 
sd cards and usually stick out some. Also, if you have limited usb ports and 
make regular use of other usb devices, the sd card slot is more valuable to 
you. It is obvious from my wording that I am one of those who would want the sd 
slot. But you just have to assess your own needs and preferences.

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On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't even own 
> any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just goes on a USB 
> drive.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
>> whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a micro 
>> SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 13-inch; the 
>> 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are USB card 
>> readers, but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after 
>>> all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, it 
>>> would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with what I 
>>> have.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The iMac 
 blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized keys.
 
 The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
 slightly reduced in height.
 
 otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
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 On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
> presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on 
> what keyboard you are used to. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
>> I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
>> anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
>> if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
>> I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
>> in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
>> Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
>> cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
>> drive shouldn't be a problem. Thinking about bumping up the RAM to 8GB
>> instead of the 4 it comes with, and will probably get a thumb drive
>> for anything big I might need. I am not interested in the Ipad as I
>> hate typing on it, and do like a full keyboard and the option
>> voiceover on the Imac gives me. Thanks
>> 
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Donna Goodin]

I don't know.  I wouldn't let that be a deciding factor.  I've got an 11-inch, 
and absolutely love it's small size.  I did max out all the specs when I got 
it, but I don't find I'm lacking for memory.  If there was anything that would 
make me change from the 11-inch MBA, it'd be to go back to an MBP, and the only 
reason I would do that would be for the built-in ethernet.  Honestly, that's 
the only thing I've missed.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Sorry, I didn't explain. The Nifty Mini Drive is a new product for $40, on 
> sale at the end of this month I believe. Normally, an sd card sticks out of 
> your mac a bit, making it impractical to leave one in there long-term. 
> However, this product is a mini sd card adapter which sits flush with the 
> mac's body, making it able to be left inserted all the time with no fear of 
> damage to the card and/or sd slot. So, if you got the 64gb Air, you can 
> double your storage and just use the sd card for media. It's there all the 
> time and is flash-based, but you don't need to spring for the much more 
> expensive 128gb Ari, just get the adapter and as many cards as you want. To 
> relate this to the topic at hand, my point was that the 13-inch Air can be 
> expanded in this way, while the 11-inch, lacking an sd slot, cannot.
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't even 
>> own any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just goes on a USB 
>> drive.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
>>> whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a micro 
>>> SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 13-inch; the 
>>> 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are USB card 
>>> readers, but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
 I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after 
 all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, it 
 would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with what 
 I have.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  wrote:
 
> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The 
> iMac blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized 
> keys.
> 
> The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
> slightly reduced in height.
> 
> otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
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> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
>> presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on 
>> what keyboard you are used to. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
>>> I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
>>> anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
>>> if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
>>> I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
>>> in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
>>> Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
>>> cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
>>> drive shouldn't be a problem. Thinking about bumping up the RAM to 8GB
>>> instead of the 4 it comes with, and will probably get a thumb drive
>>> for anything big I might need. I am not interested in the Ipad as I
>>> hate typing on it, and do like a full keyboard and the option
>>> voiceover on the Imac gives me. Thanks
>>> 
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Donna Goodin]

True, enough.  I don't leave a USB drive plugged in all the time, of course.  
But I find that that set meets my needs, and I suspect would meet most peoples. 
 At least, for most people it wouldn't speak to a need for the larger MBA.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> Well, this is a case of "to each his/her own". Usb thumb drives are larger 
> than sd cards and usually stick out some. Also, if you have limited usb ports 
> and make regular use of other usb devices, the sd card slot is more valuable 
> to you. It is obvious from my wording that I am one of those who would want 
> the sd slot. But you just have to assess your own needs and preferences.
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> May the words of my mouth
> and the meditation of my heart
> be acceptable to You, Lord,
> my rock and my Redeemer.
> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't even 
>> own any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just goes on a USB 
>> drive.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
>>> whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a micro 
>>> SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 13-inch; the 
>>> 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are USB card 
>>> readers, but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
 I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after 
 all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, it 
 would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with what 
 I have.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  wrote:
 
> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The 
> iMac blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized 
> keys.
> 
> The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
> slightly reduced in height.
> 
> otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
>> presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on 
>> what keyboard you are used to. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
>>> I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
>>> anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
>>> if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
>>> I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
>>> in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
>>> Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
>>> cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
>>> drive shouldn't be a problem. Thinking about bumping up the RAM to 8GB
>>> instead of the 4 it comes with, and will probably get a thumb drive
>>> for anything big I might need. I am not interested in the Ipad as I
>>> hate typing on it, and do like a full keyboard and the option
>>> voiceover on the Imac gives me. Thanks
>>> 
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Re: Dropbox acting up again.

[Jessica Moss]

How do you go about doing that?
On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Chris Bruinenberg wrote:

> I second that.
> I Did an update and it was such a pain in the neck.
> It's easier to just start over clean. :)
> 
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Okay.  Cost will be $19.95 if I remember correctly.  Go to the app store, 
>> then, type "Mountain Lion"  That should bring it up right away.
>> 
>> Some say you can just overinstall and that should work:  But, if you ask me, 
>> I'd go for a clean install.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, how would I go about upgrading/installing to that, and how much would 
>>> that cost me?  I know next to nothing about that, so would love some info 
>>> on that.
>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:41 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
 He's right:  and, furthermore, if there's no Drop Box menu, you ain't 
 synching.  That's the reason why you can't share I'd bet.
 
 I stress again, however, I'd really switch over to ML were I you.  Doing 
 this will give you access to a lot more things then Lion will-Drop Box 
 access among them.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
 
> Now one thing you could try at least from what i remember when i had lion 
> is do everything from the context menu.
> Go to the home directory and dropbox, find the folder or file you want to 
> share, and press vo+shift+m to go to the context menu.
> Then look and see if there is a dropbox menu to share.
> 
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Matt Dierckens  
> wrote:
> 
>> IT WON'T SHOW UP UNLESS YOU HAVE MOUNTAIN LION.
>> Matt
>> Sent from my mac
>> Twitter: matt692
>> 
>> On 2013-01-10, at 8:21 PM, Jessica Moss  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> As for accessing it through the menu bar, I tried that, and it didn't 
>>> even show up, so have no idea what to make of that either.
>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
>>> 
 Hello.
 Dropbox is always going to say, has no windows. The only way to access 
 the dropbox menu is, naturally, through the menu bar.
 HTH.
 Matt
 Sent from my mac
 Twitter: matt692
 
 On 2013-01-10, at 8:04 PM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
 
> Ok, I managed to get dropbox up and running, only for it to start 
> right back up again with the same behavior.  It worked perfectly when 
> I first installed and ran it, but considering the fact that I wasn't 
> going to be running it or my computer forever, I was going to have to 
> close it eventually.
> Then when I relaunched it last night, and it went right back to 
> telling me "dropbox has no windows," and I couldn't figure out what 
> to do with it, and reinstalling it after trashing it does nothing.
> Then on top of that, it refuses to redownload so maybe I can just 
> simply make a fresh start, and this is driving me nuts.  Anyone got 
> any advice?
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Re: How to help blind people new to Mac learn it as fast and smooth as possible

[Chris Blouch]

Just a small clarification that iOS and OSX are both built on Darwin and 
share much of the same architecture. iOS is basically Apple's mobile 
version of OSX so the interaction experience is different, but the core 
is the same.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

There was some interesting developer speculation on iOS subsuming OSX 
over time in this article on Ars Technica back in 2010:


http://arstechnica.com/apple/2010/06/developers-expect-ios-and-mac-os-to-merge-over-time/

CB

On 1/11/13 12:16 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
My private suspicion is this.  With perhaps the next release of the 
Mac OS, we may see the elimination of having to interact with things. 
 I forsee this coming because of a wish on Apple's part to unify the 
IOS completely with the Mac OS.  Indeed, I'm kind of shocked it hasn't 
happened already.  My guess is that with the coming of Mac OS 11, we 
can look forward to just having one across the board OS-for both I 
devices and Macs-and, this OS would be so across the board that, if 
you already know how to use an Iphone-say-you already know how to use 
a Mac:  and, if you already know how to use a Mac, you already know 
how to use the Iphone.  Besides which, how many wild cats are there in 
the world?  I suspect that the concept of interaction grew out of the 
necessity to give Voice Over a way for blind people to do things in 
what was the Apple way back in 2005 or so.  In a way, if you think 
about it, it makes sense.  When you interact with something, you tell 
Voice Over that you want or need to pay more attention to a particular 
area on the screen.  What I love about the Apple way of doing things 
is that, unlike windows-the small w is on purpose-is that it's not 
part of the Apple archatecture to make assumptions about what you want 
given back to you as feedback or whether you want feedback at all. 
 Thus, it's really a misnomer to call Voice Over a "screen Reader" as 
such.  More correct to look at Voice over as part of the skin of the 
operating system so to speak.



Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Cheree Heppe > wrote:



Cheree Heppe here:

From what has been recently posted about learning how to use an MBA 
and Mac computers, and based on my very abbreviated experience with 
the MAC, and about three years using IOS, I agree with the majority 
of thoughts and suggestions.


Where I disagree concerns the way the skills should be acquired and 
the level of frustration which, according to some, should be high, 
almost like a rite of passage or a toll, in order to enter an elite 
subset of computer users.  Something in me crys out that we are now 
in the 21st century and not at the beginning of the computer 
revolution, when, indeed, it took intrepid trail blazers to make the 
modern computer experience what it now is for so many.  It's my 
thinking that a computer use curve should be a smooth and intuitive 
process, in so far as possible.


It seems that the command structure nd maybe the MAC architecture 
comprises many oldisms and hold-overs and that these are kept in 
place by social pressure and habit.  For example, the Mac's way of 
moving from segment to segment, area to area, seems like island 
hopping where a blind user has to interact, then uninteract and move 
into the next mode.  It seems that this clumsiness has been ditched 
or primarily automated in the IOS platform.  Mac has to go toward IOS 
fluidity and bring with it all the power, file porting and 
operational modalities when it does.


Why not take lessons from history?  The Braille codex, many 
proprietary to individual people's design or to a school or 
institution, had to be unified in the early 20th century in order to 
eliminate archaic and cumbersome elements and to streamline and 
modernize the Braille code.  Now, we have a standard code in the 
English speaking world which lends itself to all of the modern 
applications.  Why not re-design the Mac VoiceOver command structure, 
incorporating modern elements and removing clumsy and outdated 
modalities, such as the overly multiple key commands.  A simplified 
structure would make learning the Apple platform a breeze and would 
help broaden the use of this platform because of ease of use, just 
like the IOS devices.


Yes, we, especially the old-timers, would have to re-learn things 
they already had mastered, just as many blind people had to learn the 
unified Braille code that arose out of the changes in the early 20th 
century.  It seems to me that unless Apple does this sort of 
modification, the Mac VoiceOver interface can only grow more and more 
cluttered and complicated.


Thanks, everyone, for all the constructive suggestions.  I intend to 
pass them along to the Apple store guys trying to help me so we all 
can learn and progress.



Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 09/01/2013, at 10:01

Re: How to help blind people new to Mac learn it as fast and smooth as possible

[Phil Halton]

any time a person attempts to learn something new, there is bound to be a 
level of frustration involved - its no right of passage, just a fact of 
human existence. Try to eliminate it altogether if you like, lord knows 
people have been trying to do so for milenea.


- Original Message - 
From: "Cheree Heppe" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: How to help blind people new to Mac learn it as fast and smooth 
as possible



Cheree Heppe here:

From what has been recently posted about learning how to use an MBA and Mac 
computers, and based on my very abbreviated experience with the MAC, and 
about three years using IOS, I agree with the majority of thoughts and 
suggestions.


Where I disagree concerns the way the skills should be acquired and the 
level of frustration which, according to some, should be high, almost like a 
rite of passage or a toll, in order to enter an elite subset of computer 
users.  Something in me crys out that we are now in the 21st century and not 
at the beginning of the computer revolution, when, indeed, it took intrepid 
trail blazers to make the modern computer experience what it now is for so 
many.  It's my thinking that a computer use curve should be a smooth and 
intuitive process, in so far as possible.


It seems that the command structure nd maybe the MAC architecture comprises 
many oldisms and hold-overs and that these are kept in place by social 
pressure and habit.  For example, the Mac's way of moving from segment to 
segment, area to area, seems like island hopping where a blind user has to 
interact, then uninteract and move into the next mode.  It seems that this 
clumsiness has been ditched or primarily automated in the IOS platform.  Mac 
has to go toward IOS fluidity and bring with it all the power, file porting 
and operational modalities when it does.


Why not take lessons from history?  The Braille codex, many proprietary to 
individual people's design or to a school or institution, had to be unified 
in the early 20th century in order to eliminate archaic and cumbersome 
elements and to streamline and modernize the Braille code.  Now, we have a 
standard code in the English speaking world which lends itself to all of the 
modern applications.  Why not re-design the Mac VoiceOver command structure, 
incorporating modern elements and removing clumsy and outdated modalities, 
such as the overly multiple key commands.  A simplified structure would make 
learning the Apple platform a breeze and would help broaden the use of this 
platform because of ease of use, just like the IOS devices.


Yes, we, especially the old-timers, would have to re-learn things they 
already had mastered, just as many blind people had to learn the unified 
Braille code that arose out of the changes in the early 20th century.  It 
seems to me that unless Apple does this sort of modification, the Mac 
VoiceOver interface can only grow more and more cluttered and complicated.


Thanks, everyone, for all the constructive suggestions.  I intend to pass 
them along to the Apple store guys trying to help me so we all can learn and 
progress.



Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 09/01/2013, at 10:01, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

Yes,
1) take the VoiceOver tutorial by pressing VO, Command, F8
2) repeatedly read the mountain lion with VoiceOver manual. It can be found 
on Apple's website, and also under the VoiceOver help menu (VO H)


3) make liberal use of the keyboard help function (VO K)
4) , explore and get very frustrated over and over again until frustration 
goes away.


- Original Message - From: "David Hole" 
To: "MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:28 PM
Subject: How to help blind people new to Mac learn it as fast and smooth as 
possible




Hi folks.

As far as I know, there are many here in this group who are helping
blind people switching from Windows to Mac.
Do you have any strategies to help them get fast into the VoiceOver
commands, and how they can "distance" them selves from the Windows
platform, and learn Mac the best way there is?
For example, is the best way to first learn to use VoiceOver with the
QuickKeys, or the hard way with so many keys pressed at once some
times?
What about what to learn first, do you learn them a piece of software
(such as Mail or Safari) or how the OS and how VoiceOver interacts
with it before going into apps?

All comments on this is really welcome.

Best regards David

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Re: Dropbox acting up again.

[Phil Halton]

What do you mean by "accessing it"? and, why would you "close it"?

Dropbox is not an app in the normal sense of that word. It is just a special 
folder on your hard drive, you don't need to "shut it down" when not in use, 
you just set it and forget it. To use dropbox you place files in the dropbox 
folder and the dropbox software saves a copy to the cloud and syncs that 
copy across all your dropbox enabled devices.


As far as "accessing" dropbox goes, The dropbox entry in the extras menu is 
activated by pressing VO enter. Then you have several choices:
1)  you can open the dropbox folder where you can browse around your dropbox 
and delete and rename stuff if you like.
2) you can launch the dropbox website in safari and look at your stuff as it 
is stored in the cloud - it'll be an exact duplicate of the dropbox folder 
on your Mac.
3) you can look through a submenu of recently changed files, usually a half 
dozen of the last files addedd or deleted from your dropbox folder.

4) You can see how much of your dropbox storage is currently being used.
5) You can Pause/resume any syncing that's currently going on.
6) You can set your dropbox preferences.
7) and finally, you can read through the dropbox help files. I would highly 
recommend doing so. It will probably answer alot of your questions and clear 
up your general confusion about dropbox and its function and operation.
I sincerely hope this helps in some way - God knows life is confusing and 
frustrating enough without adding to the mess with computer anxiety.

.

-- Original Message - 
From: "Jessica Moss" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Dropbox acting up again.


As for accessing it through the menu bar, I tried that, and it didn't even 
show up, so have no idea what to make of that either.

On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote:


Hello.
Dropbox is always going to say, has no windows. The only way to access the 
dropbox menu is, naturally, through the menu bar.

HTH.
Matt
Sent from my mac
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On 2013-01-10, at 8:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

Ok, I managed to get dropbox up and running, only for it to start right 
back up again with the same behavior.  It worked perfectly when I first 
installed and ran it, but considering the fact that I wasn't going to be 
running it or my computer forever, I was going to have to close it 
eventually.
Then when I relaunched it last night, and it went right back to telling 
me "dropbox has no windows," and I couldn't figure out what to do with 
it, and reinstalling it after trashing it does nothing.
Then on top of that, it refuses to redownload so maybe I can just simply 
make a fresh start, and this is driving me nuts.  Anyone got any advice?


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Re: Question and Comment on Using a Braille Display with a Mac

[Kristeen Hughes]

I am very grateful for the help on the VO plus J command. I ,like others, use 
it exclusively, and this makes it a lot easier.

I have another question regarding using a braille display. Is it true that the 
routing keys above each braille cell do nothing when pressed using the Mac? I 
find this hard to believe and Absolutely not useful. I can't imagine how often 
I want to route the cursor to a Braille cell. I have never seen a situation 
where this does not work. I am hoping I am wrong. Could someone please let me 
know?

Kristeen Hughes
Skype: lostonsylvane

On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

Hi Scott,

Okay, thanks for the assist on this one.  I'll look forward to hearing the 
resolution.

Les
On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:

> Hi Les.
> Well, I was able to do this at one time, but I'm missing a step in the
> process now as well. I'll have to contact someone I know off list and
> get this info for you. Sorry about that. I know it's possible, because
> I sat at a table a few months ago and went through the process with
> someone, but I can't find mention of it in the manual and something is
> missing. Now I'm frustrated and on a mission!
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 1/10/13, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> Kristeen, are you holding down your routing buttons for a couple of seconds.
>> I find that at least on the Brailliant Bi 40, holding down the routing
>> button results in the word I am on being spoken.  I'd suggest creating a
>> short practice document and experiment with using the cursor routing
>> buttons.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd loke to use VO+j as well from the keyboard, but there seems to be no
>>> way to do this.
>>> 
>>> Also, I can't use any of the routing keys above the braille cells to move
>>> the cursor. This is frustrating me greatly.
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
 They say you can not teach an old dog new tricks.  Well, this old dog is,
 for the first time, using braille input on a braille display and am
 really enjoying it.  I recently purchased the Brailliant bi 40.  With so
 many keys in play with the Mac, it's really nice to reduce keystrokes
 with braille.  Now for my question.  Can I jump to the text of a message
 using a braille keyboard?  I'd like to use the equivalent of vo-j from
 the braille display.  Thanks.
 
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Re: Dropbox acting up again.

[Cheryl Homiak]

She doesn't have an entry in the extras menu because she is running Lion, not 
Mountain Lion, and that is part of what is causing confusion. And I'm sure what 
she means by "accessing" is all those things you list as being available 
through the extras menus. Also, at least on my machine, vo-return (this doesn't 
technically have an enter) doesn't get into the dropbox menu but vo-space does.

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On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:01 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> What do you mean by "accessing it"? and, why would you "close it"?
> 
> Dropbox is not an app in the normal sense of that word. It is just a special 
> folder on your hard drive, you don't need to "shut it down" when not in use, 
> you just set it and forget it. To use dropbox you place files in the dropbox 
> folder and the dropbox software saves a copy to the cloud and syncs that copy 
> across all your dropbox enabled devices.
> 
> As far as "accessing" dropbox goes, The dropbox entry in the extras menu is 
> activated by pressing VO enter. Then you have several choices:
> 1)  you can open the dropbox folder where you can browse around your dropbox 
> and delete and rename stuff if you like.
> 2) you can launch the dropbox website in safari and look at your stuff as it 
> is stored in the cloud - it'll be an exact duplicate of the dropbox folder on 
> your Mac.
> 3) you can look through a submenu of recently changed files, usually a half 
> dozen of the last files addedd or deleted from your dropbox folder.
> 4) You can see how much of your dropbox storage is currently being used.
> 5) You can Pause/resume any syncing that's currently going on.
> 6) You can set your dropbox preferences.
> 7) and finally, you can read through the dropbox help files. I would highly 
> recommend doing so. It will probably answer alot of your questions and clear 
> up your general confusion about dropbox and its function and operation.
> I sincerely hope this helps in some way - God knows life is confusing and 
> frustrating enough without adding to the mess with computer anxiety.
> .
> 
> -- Original Message - From: "Jessica Moss" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Dropbox acting up again.
> 
> 
> As for accessing it through the menu bar, I tried that, and it didn't even 
> show up, so have no idea what to make of that either.
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
> 
>> Hello.
>> Dropbox is always going to say, has no windows. The only way to access the 
>> dropbox menu is, naturally, through the menu bar.
>> HTH.
>> Matt
>> Sent from my mac
>> Twitter: matt692
>> 
>> On 2013-01-10, at 8:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, I managed to get dropbox up and running, only for it to start right 
>>> back up again with the same behavior.  It worked perfectly when I first 
>>> installed and ran it, but considering the fact that I wasn't going to be 
>>> running it or my computer forever, I was going to have to close it 
>>> eventually.
>>> Then when I relaunched it last night, and it went right back to telling me 
>>> "dropbox has no windows," and I couldn't figure out what to do with it, and 
>>> reinstalling it after trashing it does nothing.
>>> Then on top of that, it refuses to redownload so maybe I can just simply 
>>> make a fresh start, and this is driving me nuts.  Anyone got any advice?
>>> 
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drop-Box versus FilePro

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Just wondering what people's thoughts are re these two options for File 
Transfer between Mac and i_device.  I've never used either, though have 
downloaded FilePro onto my iPhone.  On the surface, it seems like drop Box 
would be the easier way to go, though it of course doesn't allow for direct 
device=to-device syncing without first uploading to the cloud.  Are there any 
advantages of FilePro other than that one that I may not be considering?

If anyone has any thoughts on this, I'd be very interested to hear them.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Getting started with youfukouru

[Marc Rocheleau]

I am just replying to this topic because, while my issue is different,
it still has to do with getting started with... this app, I'm not even
gonna try spelling it! lol

Anyway, it's a simple question: How do you add more than one twitter
account? I have two accounts and want to switch between them but can't
find the option to add a new account in any of the menus. It says you
can manage multiple accounts in the app description so obviously I'm
just missing something.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, as usual!

-Marc

On 1/9/13, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> Thanks Alex,
>
> Have This will get me started.
>  a Blessed Day,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Chesley
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
>> I don't know how to delete, sorry. To open links, press l when you are on
>> the tweet you want to open. To stop the auto-complete thing, open
>> preferences with cmd-comma, select the compose tab, then uncheck auto
>> complete hashtags, or something along those lines. Also, you can alter the
>> keyboard shortcuts if you don't like them; have a look through all the
>> menus and options, not just preferences, as there's a whole lot there to
>> customize if you want to. You can even set up mutes to filter out unwanted
>> tweets based on username, hashtag, keyword, or even regular expression.
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Stacey Robinson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I know I just terribly misspelled this app.
>>> I've figured out how to read tweets.
>>> I cannot figure out how to delete them though.
>>> Ic I see a link in a tweet that I want to activate, how do I do this?
>>> Also, if I want to send something to facebook via selective tweets, I put
>>> the number sign and before I can put the letters fb it tries to complete
>>> with words it thinks I want.
>>> How do I keep this from happening?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Have a Blessed Day,
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Chesley
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>>
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Re: Question and Comment on Using a Braille Display with a Mac

[Les Kriegler]

They work.  I just activated a link from within an e-mail message using the 
router keys.  I did have to press the router key twice to activate the link, 
though.  I have also used the routing buttons to find errors in documents and 
then was able to correct the errors.

Les
On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:

> I am very grateful for the help on the VO plus J command. I ,like others, use 
> it exclusively, and this makes it a lot easier.
> 
> I have another question regarding using a braille display. Is it true that 
> the routing keys above each braille cell do nothing when pressed using the 
> Mac? I find this hard to believe and Absolutely not useful. I can't imagine 
> how often I want to route the cursor to a Braille cell. I have never seen a 
> situation where this does not work. I am hoping I am wrong. Could someone 
> please let me know?
> 
> Kristeen Hughes
> Skype: lostonsylvane
> 
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Okay, thanks for the assist on this one.  I'll look forward to hearing the 
> resolution.
> 
> Les
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Les.
>> Well, I was able to do this at one time, but I'm missing a step in the
>> process now as well. I'll have to contact someone I know off list and
>> get this info for you. Sorry about that. I know it's possible, because
>> I sat at a table a few months ago and went through the process with
>> someone, but I can't find mention of it in the manual and something is
>> missing. Now I'm frustrated and on a mission!
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 1/10/13, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> Kristeen, are you holding down your routing buttons for a couple of seconds.
>>> I find that at least on the Brailliant Bi 40, holding down the routing
>>> button results in the word I am on being spoken.  I'd suggest creating a
>>> short practice document and experiment with using the cursor routing
>>> buttons.
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>>> 
 I'd loke to use VO+j as well from the keyboard, but there seems to be no
 way to do this.
 
 Also, I can't use any of the routing keys above the braille cells to move
 the cursor. This is frustrating me greatly.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
> They say you can not teach an old dog new tricks.  Well, this old dog is,
> for the first time, using braille input on a braille display and am
> really enjoying it.  I recently purchased the Brailliant bi 40.  With so
> many keys in play with the Mac, it's really nice to reduce keystrokes
> with braille.  Now for my question.  Can I jump to the text of a message
> using a braille keyboard?  I'd like to use the equivalent of vo-j from
> the braille display.  Thanks.
> 
> Les
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Re: My initial experience with Launch Bar

[Traci]

Here you go.
http://www.obdev.at/products/launchbar/index.html

If you figure out how to add a custom template, let me know.  I'm still working 
on it.  Not being able to concour it is annoying me, in a geeky way.  ;)

BTW, Mac World has to videos that give a nice overview about the program.  Just 
listening to them, got me interested and taught me a lot.
http://www.macworld.com/article/1165756/be_more_productive_with_launchbar_part_1.html

The help files on launch bar website have been helpful as well.

I successfully added my automatically add to iTunes folder to the launch bar 
index, and created an abbreviation for it.

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On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Michael Babcock  
wrote:

> Tracy;
> This sounds like an application that may be very useful for me. Could you 
> provide us with a link to the developers website? Thank you
> Michael
> 
> http://empoweringtheblind.com
> Empowering the blind, one step at a time.
> 
> 
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Traci  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, thought I'd share my initial thoughts on Launch Bar.  There is still 
>> so much more about the program I haven't explored.
>> 
>> First, I'm really enjoying it!  Secondly, it isn't fully voFriendly.  It is 
>> so far quite doable, and I have emailed the developers about accessibility 
>> improvements.  They wrote back with interest, so we'll see.  :)
>> 
>> Once it is installed, the natural keyboard shortcut for the program is 
>> command-space.  When you press this, VO just says button.  I recommend you 
>> hitting command-I for preferences.  Have a look in there, but you can change 
>> a setting where the Mac voice will announce your results.  At this time, 
>> this is a must, because VO doesn't read the list.  Back to that unlabeled 
>> button, it is just an options or about drop-down.  This area is also an edit 
>> field, even though VO doesn't speak that.
>> 
>> So, here are some fun examples:
>> There are these things called search templates, which you can eventually 
>> assign abbreviations to.  Here is one I've done.
>> command-space, type books, press spacebar, then type a title or author, and 
>> return.  My default browser opens to the Amazon books page.
>> Another example:
>> command-space, type iMsg, spacebar, Mom, and return.  This opens iMessage 
>> with anew msg window to Mom.
>> 
>> There are several factory search templates, all which can be assigned an 
>> abbreviation if you'd like.
>> 
>> Anyway, I'm having such a good time figuring it out.  There is one area that 
>> continues to stump me, but I hope support will help me out with that.  I'm 
>> trying to add a custom search template.
>> 
>> There is a 30-day trial, then I believe the program is around $35.  There is 
>> a lot more to this program I haven't written here.  Lol, and a ton more for 
>> me to learn.  It's all fun and useful.
>> 
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Re: Dropbox acting up again.

[Phil Halton]

I stand corrected.

- Original Message - 
From: "Cheryl Homiak" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Dropbox acting up again.


She doesn't have an entry in the extras menu because she is running Lion, 
not Mountain Lion, and that is part of what is causing confusion. And I'm 
sure what she means by "accessing" is all those things you list as being 
available through the extras menus. Also, at least on my machine, vo-return 
(this doesn't technically have an enter) doesn't get into the dropbox menu 
but vo-space does.


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On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:01 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:


What do you mean by "accessing it"? and, why would you "close it"?

Dropbox is not an app in the normal sense of that word. It is just a 
special folder on your hard drive, you don't need to "shut it down" when 
not in use, you just set it and forget it. To use dropbox you place files 
in the dropbox folder and the dropbox software saves a copy to the cloud 
and syncs that copy across all your dropbox enabled devices.


As far as "accessing" dropbox goes, The dropbox entry in the extras menu 
is activated by pressing VO enter. Then you have several choices:
1)  you can open the dropbox folder where you can browse around your 
dropbox and delete and rename stuff if you like.
2) you can launch the dropbox website in safari and look at your stuff as 
it is stored in the cloud - it'll be an exact duplicate of the dropbox 
folder on your Mac.
3) you can look through a submenu of recently changed files, usually a 
half dozen of the last files addedd or deleted from your dropbox folder.

4) You can see how much of your dropbox storage is currently being used.
5) You can Pause/resume any syncing that's currently going on.
6) You can set your dropbox preferences.
7) and finally, you can read through the dropbox help files. I would 
highly recommend doing so. It will probably answer alot of your questions 
and clear up your general confusion about dropbox and its function and 
operation.
I sincerely hope this helps in some way - God knows life is confusing and 
frustrating enough without adding to the mess with computer anxiety.

.

-- Original Message - From: "Jessica Moss" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Dropbox acting up again.


As for accessing it through the menu bar, I tried that, and it didn't even 
show up, so have no idea what to make of that either.

On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote:


Hello.
Dropbox is always going to say, has no windows. The only way to access 
the dropbox menu is, naturally, through the menu bar.

HTH.
Matt
Sent from my mac
Twitter: matt692

On 2013-01-10, at 8:04 PM, Jessica Moss  
wrote:


Ok, I managed to get dropbox up and running, only for it to start right 
back up again with the same behavior.  It worked perfectly when I first 
installed and ran it, but considering the fact that I wasn't going to be 
running it or my computer forever, I was going to have to close it 
eventually.
Then when I relaunched it last night, and it went right back to telling 
me "dropbox has no windows," and I couldn't figure out what to do with 
it, and reinstalling it after trashing it does nothing.
Then on top of that, it refuses to redownload so maybe I can just simply 
make a fresh start, and this is driving me nuts.  Anyone got any advice?


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Re: Question and Comment on Using a Braille Display with a Mac

[Lisette Wesseling]

Christine
The cursor routing keys work absolutely as expected on my Braille Sense ON Hand 
braille display. So there's something not right about yours not working. What 
braille display are you using?
On 12/01/2013, at 5:05 AM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:

> I am very grateful for the help on the VO plus J command. I ,like others, use 
> it exclusively, and this makes it a lot easier.
> 
> I have another question regarding using a braille display. Is it true that 
> the routing keys above each braille cell do nothing when pressed using the 
> Mac? I find this hard to believe and Absolutely not useful. I can't imagine 
> how often I want to route the cursor to a Braille cell. I have never seen a 
> situation where this does not work. I am hoping I am wrong. Could someone 
> please let me know?
> 
> Kristeen Hughes
> Skype: lostonsylvane
> 
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Okay, thanks for the assist on this one.  I'll look forward to hearing the 
> resolution.
> 
> Les
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Les.
>> Well, I was able to do this at one time, but I'm missing a step in the
>> process now as well. I'll have to contact someone I know off list and
>> get this info for you. Sorry about that. I know it's possible, because
>> I sat at a table a few months ago and went through the process with
>> someone, but I can't find mention of it in the manual and something is
>> missing. Now I'm frustrated and on a mission!
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 1/10/13, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> Kristeen, are you holding down your routing buttons for a couple of seconds.
>>> I find that at least on the Brailliant Bi 40, holding down the routing
>>> button results in the word I am on being spoken.  I'd suggest creating a
>>> short practice document and experiment with using the cursor routing
>>> buttons.
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>>> 
 I'd loke to use VO+j as well from the keyboard, but there seems to be no
 way to do this.
 
 Also, I can't use any of the routing keys above the braille cells to move
 the cursor. This is frustrating me greatly.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
> They say you can not teach an old dog new tricks.  Well, this old dog is,
> for the first time, using braille input on a braille display and am
> really enjoying it.  I recently purchased the Brailliant bi 40.  With so
> many keys in play with the Mac, it's really nice to reduce keystrokes
> with braille.  Now for my question.  Can I jump to the text of a message
> using a braille keyboard?  I'd like to use the equivalent of vo-j from
> the braille display.  Thanks.
> 
> Les
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braille with vmware fusion

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Hi all.
So while the list has been on the subject of braille.
I have successfully paired my display within mac os.
Will i need to pair it within windows as well?
I wasn't sure because it virtualizes the hardware.
Maybe i'm not thinking of all the steps.
Thanks  for any assistance.

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Re: Getting started with youfukouru

[Alex Hall]

Open preferences, select the accounts tab, then click add. You sign into 
Twitter in the resulting html content area, then you're done. You can then 
select which account you want from the table to adjust its sound, unread 
management, notification, and other settings. Once you are done and close 
preferences, cmd-option-up/down will move from account to account.
On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Marc Rocheleau  wrote:

> I am just replying to this topic because, while my issue is different,
> it still has to do with getting started with... this app, I'm not even
> gonna try spelling it! lol
> 
> Anyway, it's a simple question: How do you add more than one twitter
> account? I have two accounts and want to switch between them but can't
> find the option to add a new account in any of the menus. It says you
> can manage multiple accounts in the app description so obviously I'm
> just missing something.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated, as usual!
> 
> -Marc
> 
> On 1/9/13, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> Thanks Alex,
>> 
>> Have This will get me started.
>> a Blessed Day,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Chesley
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know how to delete, sorry. To open links, press l when you are on
>>> the tweet you want to open. To stop the auto-complete thing, open
>>> preferences with cmd-comma, select the compose tab, then uncheck auto
>>> complete hashtags, or something along those lines. Also, you can alter the
>>> keyboard shortcuts if you don't like them; have a look through all the
>>> menus and options, not just preferences, as there's a whole lot there to
>>> customize if you want to. You can even set up mutes to filter out unwanted
>>> tweets based on username, hashtag, keyword, or even regular expression.
>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Stacey Robinson 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 I know I just terribly misspelled this app.
 I've figured out how to read tweets.
 I cannot figure out how to delete them though.
 Ic I see a link in a tweet that I want to activate, how do I do this?
 Also, if I want to send something to facebook via selective tweets, I put
 the number sign and before I can put the letters fb it tries to complete
 with words it thinks I want.
 How do I keep this from happening?
 Thanks
 
 Have a Blessed Day,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Chesley
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>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
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Re: braille with vmware fusion

[Chris Blouch]

I'm not sure about braille displays but other devices such as USB sound 
input or license dongles have to be paired with either the virtual 
machine or OSX. I have a Jaws USB license key and when I plug that into 
my Mac with vmware running it prompts me which OS should get to use it. 
I'm guessing the same will happen with the braille device.


CB

On 1/11/13 12:53 PM, Chris Bruinenberg wrote:

Hi all.
So while the list has been on the subject of braille.
I have successfully paired my display within mac os.
Will i need to pair it within windows as well?
I wasn't sure because it virtualizes the hardware.
Maybe i'm not thinking of all the steps.
Thanks  for any assistance.



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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[ppowells09]

Hi folks,
I have an 11 inch MacBook air. I love it's portability. It's also very light, 
does not get warm due to its SSD drive versus a spinning hard drive, The keys 
are not smaller yet are closer together slightly because of the size. The one 
caveat I would offer, Is to consider the environment in which you are using the 
MacBook air. It has stereo speakers, yet they are very small and very tinny. 
Unless you are using headphones or are in a very quiet environment, it can be 
difficult to hear. However, even that as a con, might be the only con I can 
find. It's an excellent machine. Also, keep in mind the air along with the new 
MacBooks, are one solid machine. They cannot be opened up and added to. 

Pam Francis

On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

True, enough.  I don't leave a USB drive plugged in all the time, of course.  
But I find that that set meets my needs, and I suspect would meet most peoples. 
 At least, for most people it wouldn't speak to a need for the larger MBA.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> Well, this is a case of "to each his/her own". Usb thumb drives are larger 
> than sd cards and usually stick out some. Also, if you have limited usb ports 
> and make regular use of other usb devices, the sd card slot is more valuable 
> to you. It is obvious from my wording that I am one of those who would want 
> the sd slot. But you just have to assess your own needs and preferences.
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> May the words of my mouth
> and the meditation of my heart
> be acceptable to You, Lord,
> my rock and my Redeemer.
> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't even 
>> own any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just goes on a USB 
>> drive.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
>>> whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a micro 
>>> SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 13-inch; the 
>>> 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are USB card 
>>> readers, but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
 I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after 
 all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, it 
 would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with what 
 I have.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  wrote:
 
> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The 
> iMac blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized 
> keys.
> 
> The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
> slightly reduced in height.
> 
> otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
>> presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on 
>> what keyboard you are used to. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
>>> I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
>>> anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
>>> if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
>>> I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
>>> in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
>>> Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
>>> cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
>>> drive shouldn't be a problem. Thinking about bumping up the RAM to 8GB
>>> instead of the 4 it comes with, and will probably get a thumb drive
>>> for anything big I might need. I am not interested in the Ipad as I
>>> hate typing on it, and do like a full keyboard and the option
>>> voiceover on the Imac gives me. Thanks
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Re: braille with vmware fusion

[Chris Bruinenberg]

THanks Chris.
I didn't think of that. Whever i plug in a usb hard drive it does that, asking 
what machine it should plug in to.
I shall play around with this.
Thanks.
Chris


On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> I'm not sure about braille displays but other devices such as USB sound input 
> or license dongles have to be paired with either the virtual machine or OSX. 
> I have a Jaws USB license key and when I plug that into my Mac with vmware 
> running it prompts me which OS should get to use it. I'm guessing the same 
> will happen with the braille device.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/11/13 12:53 PM, Chris Bruinenberg wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> So while the list has been on the subject of braille.
>> I have successfully paired my display within mac os.
>> Will i need to pair it within windows as well?
>> I wasn't sure because it virtualizes the hardware.
>> Maybe i'm not thinking of all the steps.
>> Thanks  for any assistance.
>> 
> 
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Synchronizing contacts between Google, iPhone and Nokias with Symbian S60

[David Hole]

Hi folks.

This could sound a bit off topic, but as lots of blind people haven't
converted from old Nokias to iPhone or other smart alternatives yet,
this should be some how relevant.

On the iPhone side, there's no problems synchronizing contacts between
phone and Google since iOS supports CardDav for syncing of contacts,
and that will be the only way Google will support syncing in the
future.
By now, and until january 31., people having a Nokia with S60 can
synchronize their contacts to Google, and then to iPhone using SyncML
or Mail for Exchange.
And the question is, does anyone here have a solution for those who
haven't synced before that date?

Note: This wan't affect users who already have used SyncML and
Exchange syncing. They will continue to have this support on the
devices it is enabled for before that date.

Note 2: People who gets an iPhone after january 31. can't either sync
contacts via Exchange, but have to stick with CardDav - Wich is a way
better solution according to Google. It's also an open protocol.
Syncing the calendar via CalDav instead of Exchange is also a good idea.

-David

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Re: Synchronizing contacts between Google, iPhone and Nokias with Symbian S60

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Hi David.
One thing i tried and I'm not sure if this has worked all the way.
Since i have a mac, i used an app called google contacts sync it synced all my 
contacts from gmail and my phone and computer.
I think the app cost 4 dollars.
I think the only way you can do this is to set up a google account on the phone 
with mail, and a separate one with contacts.

On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:30 AM, David Hole  wrote:

> Hi folks.
> 
> This could sound a bit off topic, but as lots of blind people haven't
> converted from old Nokias to iPhone or other smart alternatives yet,
> this should be some how relevant.
> 
> On the iPhone side, there's no problems synchronizing contacts between
> phone and Google since iOS supports CardDav for syncing of contacts,
> and that will be the only way Google will support syncing in the
> future.
> By now, and until january 31., people having a Nokia with S60 can
> synchronize their contacts to Google, and then to iPhone using SyncML
> or Mail for Exchange.
> And the question is, does anyone here have a solution for those who
> haven't synced before that date?
> 
> Note: This wan't affect users who already have used SyncML and
> Exchange syncing. They will continue to have this support on the
> devices it is enabled for before that date.
> 
> Note 2: People who gets an iPhone after january 31. can't either sync
> contacts via Exchange, but have to stick with CardDav - Wich is a way
> better solution according to Google. It's also an open protocol.
> Syncing the calendar via CalDav instead of Exchange is also a good idea.
> 
> -David
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Alex Hall]

Really? I find the Air gets pretty loud, and if I'm in a crowded area I much 
prefer to use headphones anyway. Yes, the speakers are a bit tinny, but 
considering the size I'd call them pretty good.
On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:23 PM, ppowell...@aol.com wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I have an 11 inch MacBook air. I love it's portability. It's also very light, 
> does not get warm due to its SSD drive versus a spinning hard drive, The keys 
> are not smaller yet are closer together slightly because of the size. The one 
> caveat I would offer, Is to consider the environment in which you are using 
> the MacBook air. It has stereo speakers, yet they are very small and very 
> tinny. Unless you are using headphones or are in a very quiet environment, it 
> can be difficult to hear. However, even that as a con, might be the only con 
> I can find. It's an excellent machine. Also, keep in mind the air along with 
> the new MacBooks, are one solid machine. They cannot be opened up and added 
> to. 
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> True, enough.  I don't leave a USB drive plugged in all the time, of course.  
> But I find that that set meets my needs, and I suspect would meet most 
> peoples.  At least, for most people it wouldn't speak to a need for the 
> larger MBA.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> Well, this is a case of "to each his/her own". Usb thumb drives are larger 
>> than sd cards and usually stick out some. Also, if you have limited usb 
>> ports and make regular use of other usb devices, the sd card slot is more 
>> valuable to you. It is obvious from my wording that I am one of those who 
>> would want the sd slot. But you just have to assess your own needs and 
>> preferences.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> May the words of my mouth
>> and the meditation of my heart
>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't even 
>>> own any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just goes on a 
>>> USB drive.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
 whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a 
 micro SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 
 13-inch; the 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are 
 USB card readers, but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
 On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after 
> all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, it 
> would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with what 
> I have.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The 
>> iMac blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized 
>> keys.
>> 
>> The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
>> slightly reduced in height.
>> 
>> otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
>>> presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on 
>>> what keyboard you are used to. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey all,
 
 I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
 I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
 anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
 if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
 I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
 in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
 Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
 cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
 

Re: braille with vmware fusion

[erik burggraaf]

Hi,  You can only use your braille device on one machine at a time.  The 
machines take over their bits of hardware.  So, for example, if your windows 
virtual machine has control of your apple usb bluetooth adapter, then no 
devices can use the bluetooth under OSX.  

You can get around this limitation with some devices, but not with usb or 
bluetooth braille displays.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
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On 2013-01-11, at 12:53 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:

> Hi all.
> So while the list has been on the subject of braille.
> I have successfully paired my display within mac os.
> Will i need to pair it within windows as well?
> I wasn't sure because it virtualizes the hardware.
> Maybe i'm not thinking of all the steps.
> Thanks  for any assistance.
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sorry, more on Drop-Box

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Just installed Drop-Box.  I was prompted to enter the password for my Mac, but  
spaced it out, so I quit the install, and rebooted my computer.  Now, I don't 
seem to be able to get back to the place where I can enter my password.  

1.  Is it really necessary for me to do this?

2.  If yes--and I'm assuming yes is the correct answer to no. 1--how do I get 
back to that point and provide the password.

Finally, I've copied a file into my dropbox folder, but can see no way to 
upload it.  I've tried the Extras menu, also VO-Shift-M, and have just arrowed 
around the screen.  I realize this problem may well be because I didn't enter 
my password, but in the event that that's not my problem, where's the upload 
button?

TIA,
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Re: Synchronizing contacts between Google, iPhone and Nokias with Symbian S60

[David Hole]

Hi.

Why do it that complicated?
You could use CardDav on the Mac too.
The issue here is how to sync the Nokia phone.
Here in Norway, still few have a Mac :-( And that could possibly solve
the problem, if there is a way to use iSync on Mountain Lion to sync
with the Nokia one. After all, maybe it is possible to copy iSync from
a Mac with Snow Leopard, and use it that way.
I know it worked with Lion.

-David

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
> Hi David.
> One thing i tried and I'm not sure if this has worked all the way.
> Since i have a mac, i used an app called google contacts sync it synced all 
> my contacts from gmail and my phone and computer.
> I think the app cost 4 dollars.
> I think the only way you can do this is to set up a google account on the 
> phone with mail, and a separate one with contacts.
>
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:30 AM, David Hole  wrote:
>
>> Hi folks.
>>
>> This could sound a bit off topic, but as lots of blind people haven't
>> converted from old Nokias to iPhone or other smart alternatives yet,
>> this should be some how relevant.
>>
>> On the iPhone side, there's no problems synchronizing contacts between
>> phone and Google since iOS supports CardDav for syncing of contacts,
>> and that will be the only way Google will support syncing in the
>> future.
>> By now, and until january 31., people having a Nokia with S60 can
>> synchronize their contacts to Google, and then to iPhone using SyncML
>> or Mail for Exchange.
>> And the question is, does anyone here have a solution for those who
>> haven't synced before that date?
>>
>> Note: This wan't affect users who already have used SyncML and
>> Exchange syncing. They will continue to have this support on the
>> devices it is enabled for before that date.
>>
>> Note 2: People who gets an iPhone after january 31. can't either sync
>> contacts via Exchange, but have to stick with CardDav - Wich is a way
>> better solution according to Google. It's also an open protocol.
>> Syncing the calendar via CalDav instead of Exchange is also a good idea.
>>
>> -David
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[ppowells09]

Hi Alex,
My reasons for making the comment concerning the speakers, Surround an incident 
with Apple care tech-support attempting to help me with voiceover while they 
were on a speakerphone. I had my Mac air turned up completely along  With the 
volume of my speaker phone turned up. The tech-support representative had 
issues hearing what voiceover was telling me in order to help me figure out 
what was going on. We did ultimately get the issue  resolved. In my general 
home environment, it's excellent. I only wish the Apple Store, had a quieter 
room for those of us using voice over to both learn on and set up a new 
computer. That is An  awful experience.

Pam Francis

On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Really? I find the Air gets pretty loud, and if I'm in a crowded area I much 
prefer to use headphones anyway. Yes, the speakers are a bit tinny, but 
considering the size I'd call them pretty good.
On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:23 PM, ppowell...@aol.com wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I have an 11 inch MacBook air. I love it's portability. It's also very light, 
> does not get warm due to its SSD drive versus a spinning hard drive, The keys 
> are not smaller yet are closer together slightly because of the size. The one 
> caveat I would offer, Is to consider the environment in which you are using 
> the MacBook air. It has stereo speakers, yet they are very small and very 
> tinny. Unless you are using headphones or are in a very quiet environment, it 
> can be difficult to hear. However, even that as a con, might be the only con 
> I can find. It's an excellent machine. Also, keep in mind the air along with 
> the new MacBooks, are one solid machine. They cannot be opened up and added 
> to. 
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> True, enough.  I don't leave a USB drive plugged in all the time, of course.  
> But I find that that set meets my needs, and I suspect would meet most 
> peoples.  At least, for most people it wouldn't speak to a need for the 
> larger MBA.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> Well, this is a case of "to each his/her own". Usb thumb drives are larger 
>> than sd cards and usually stick out some. Also, if you have limited usb 
>> ports and make regular use of other usb devices, the sd card slot is more 
>> valuable to you. It is obvious from my wording that I am one of those who 
>> would want the sd slot. But you just have to assess your own needs and 
>> preferences.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> May the words of my mouth
>> and the meditation of my heart
>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't even 
>>> own any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just goes on a 
>>> USB drive.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
 whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a 
 micro SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 
 13-inch; the 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are 
 USB card readers, but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
 On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after 
> all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, it 
> would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with what 
> I have.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The 
>> iMac blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized 
>> keys.
>> 
>> The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
>> slightly reduced in height.
>> 
>> otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
>>> presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on 
>>> what keyboard you are used to. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>

Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Donna Goodin]

That's my experience as well.  I do think the MBPs have better speakers, but 
I've never been in a situation where my MBA wasn't loud enough, and I don't 
often use headphones.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Really? I find the Air gets pretty loud, and if I'm in a crowded area I much 
> prefer to use headphones anyway. Yes, the speakers are a bit tinny, but 
> considering the size I'd call them pretty good.
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:23 PM, ppowell...@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> I have an 11 inch MacBook air. I love it's portability. It's also very 
>> light, does not get warm due to its SSD drive versus a spinning hard drive, 
>> The keys are not smaller yet are closer together slightly because of the 
>> size. The one caveat I would offer, Is to consider the environment in which 
>> you are using the MacBook air. It has stereo speakers, yet they are very 
>> small and very tinny. Unless you are using headphones or are in a very quiet 
>> environment, it can be difficult to hear. However, even that as a con, might 
>> be the only con I can find. It's an excellent machine. Also, keep in mind 
>> the air along with the new MacBooks, are one solid machine. They cannot be 
>> opened up and added to. 
>> 
>> Pam Francis
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> True, enough.  I don't leave a USB drive plugged in all the time, of course. 
>>  But I find that that set meets my needs, and I suspect would meet most 
>> peoples.  At least, for most people it wouldn't speak to a need for the 
>> larger MBA.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, this is a case of "to each his/her own". Usb thumb drives are larger 
>>> than sd cards and usually stick out some. Also, if you have limited usb 
>>> ports and make regular use of other usb devices, the sd card slot is more 
>>> valuable to you. It is obvious from my wording that I am one of those who 
>>> would want the sd slot. But you just have to assess your own needs and 
>>> preferences.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Cheryl
>>> 
>>> May the words of my mouth
>>> and the meditation of my heart
>>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't even 
 own any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just goes on a 
 USB drive.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
> whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a 
> micro SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 
> 13-inch; the 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are 
> USB card readers, but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after 
>> all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, 
>> it would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with 
>> what I have.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The 
>>> iMac blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized 
>>> keys.
>>> 
>>> The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
>>> slightly reduced in height.
>>> 
>>> otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical 
>>> size.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
 presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on 
 what keyboard you are used to. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
> Hey all,
> 
> I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
> I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
> anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
> if there was any not

Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Alex,

perhaps, but now the 11in can go up to 512Gb I believe, so hardly worth 
worrying about!



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
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TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 11 Jan 2013, at 14:48, Alex Hall  wrote:

> The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
> whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a micro 
> SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 13-inch; the 
> 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are USB card readers, 
> but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after 
>> all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, it 
>> would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with what I 
>> have.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The iMac 
>>> blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized keys.
>>> 
>>> The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
>>> slightly reduced in height.
>>> 
>>> otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
 presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on what 
 keyboard you are used to. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
> Hey all,
> 
> I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
> I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
> anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
> if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
> I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
> in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
> Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
> cloud computing, pages and numbers mostly so not having a big hard
> drive shouldn't be a problem. Thinking about bumping up the RAM to 8GB
> instead of the 4 it comes with, and will probably get a thumb drive
> for anything big I might need. I am not interested in the Ipad as I
> hate typing on it, and do like a full keyboard and the option
> voiceover on the Imac gives me. Thanks
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Donna,

I sometimes too find that irritating, but, I have the Apple USB to ether net 
dongle, its compact and tidy when folded back on itself, just like everything 
Apple does, well thought out.

I keep that in my laptop case, if I need ether net, its there.



Regards,

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On 11 Jan 2013, at 15:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> I don't know.  I wouldn't let that be a deciding factor.  I've got an 
> 11-inch, and absolutely love it's small size.  I did max out all the specs 
> when I got it, but I don't find I'm lacking for memory.  If there was 
> anything that would make me change from the 11-inch MBA, it'd be to go back 
> to an MBP, and the only reason I would do that would be for the built-in 
> ethernet.  Honestly, that's the only thing I've missed.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, I didn't explain. The Nifty Mini Drive is a new product for $40, on 
>> sale at the end of this month I believe. Normally, an sd card sticks out of 
>> your mac a bit, making it impractical to leave one in there long-term. 
>> However, this product is a mini sd card adapter which sits flush with the 
>> mac's body, making it able to be left inserted all the time with no fear of 
>> damage to the card and/or sd slot. So, if you got the 64gb Air, you can 
>> double your storage and just use the sd card for media. It's there all the 
>> time and is flash-based, but you don't need to spring for the much more 
>> expensive 128gb Ari, just get the adapter and as many cards as you want. To 
>> relate this to the topic at hand, my point was that the 13-inch Air can be 
>> expanded in this way, while the 11-inch, lacking an sd slot, cannot.
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't even 
>>> own any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just goes on a 
>>> USB drive.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
 whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a 
 micro SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 
 13-inch; the 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are 
 USB card readers, but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
 On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after 
> all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, it 
> would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with what 
> I have.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The 
>> iMac blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized 
>> keys.
>> 
>> The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
>> slightly reduced in height.
>> 
>> otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical size.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
>>> presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on 
>>> what keyboard you are used to. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey all,
 
 I have been a long time Imac user and need to get a laptop for travel.
 I love voiceover on the Imac most of the time, and wanted to see if
 anyone had experience using voiceover both on an Imac and mac air, and
 if there was any notable difference or anything I need to be aware of?
 I looked at it in the Apple store, but you can't really hear anything
 in there. I don't need any kind of power computing, just be using the
 Mac Air 13 for browsing, email, news rack, twitter, itunes match,
 clou

Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Neal,

Yeah, I've thought about buying one of those.  It's funny.  Really, the issue 
comes up very rarely, but when it does come up, it's usually a real pain not to 
have it.  Every time I have a situation where it would really be handy to have 
a hard connection, I swear I'm boing to buy the dongle, but then I forget about 
it when the need is no longer there. :)
Take care,
Donna  
On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Donna,
> 
> I sometimes too find that irritating, but, I have the Apple USB to ether net 
> dongle, its compact and tidy when folded back on itself, just like everything 
> Apple does, well thought out.
> 
> I keep that in my laptop case, if I need ether net, its there.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 11 Jan 2013, at 15:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know.  I wouldn't let that be a deciding factor.  I've got an 
>> 11-inch, and absolutely love it's small size.  I did max out all the specs 
>> when I got it, but I don't find I'm lacking for memory.  If there was 
>> anything that would make me change from the 11-inch MBA, it'd be to go back 
>> to an MBP, and the only reason I would do that would be for the built-in 
>> ethernet.  Honestly, that's the only thing I've missed.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry, I didn't explain. The Nifty Mini Drive is a new product for $40, on 
>>> sale at the end of this month I believe. Normally, an sd card sticks out of 
>>> your mac a bit, making it impractical to leave one in there long-term. 
>>> However, this product is a mini sd card adapter which sits flush with the 
>>> mac's body, making it able to be left inserted all the time with no fear of 
>>> damage to the card and/or sd slot. So, if you got the 64gb Air, you can 
>>> double your storage and just use the sd card for media. It's there all the 
>>> time and is flash-based, but you don't need to spring for the much more 
>>> expensive 128gb Ari, just get the adapter and as many cards as you want. To 
>>> relate this to the topic at hand, my point was that the 13-inch Air can be 
>>> expanded in this way, while the 11-inch, lacking an sd slot, cannot.
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't even 
 own any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just goes on a 
 USB drive.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
> whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a 
> micro SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 
> 13-inch; the 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are 
> USB card readers, but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, after 
>> all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap top, 
>> it would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy with 
>> what I have.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The 
>>> iMac blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical sized 
>>> keys.
>>> 
>>> The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
>>> slightly reduced in height.
>>> 
>>> otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical 
>>> size.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> On 9 Jan 2013, at 14:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 The air acts exactly like any other Mac. The only difference is the 
 presence of the trackpad and what might be smaller keys, depending on 
 what keyboard you are used to. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:

drop-box issue resolved

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I just re-installed the app, and now all is well.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Dropbox acting up again.

[Jessica Moss]

The only reason I was wanting to shut it down was because it was constantly 
telling me that it had no windows and wouldn't display the Dropbox menu, so was 
trying to reinstall to see if that would help.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> What do you mean by "accessing it"? and, why would you "close it"?
> 
> Dropbox is not an app in the normal sense of that word. It is just a special 
> folder on your hard drive, you don't need to "shut it down" when not in use, 
> you just set it and forget it. To use dropbox you place files in the dropbox 
> folder and the dropbox software saves a copy to the cloud and syncs that copy 
> across all your dropbox enabled devices.
> 
> As far as "accessing" dropbox goes, The dropbox entry in the extras menu is 
> activated by pressing VO enter. Then you have several choices:
> 1)  you can open the dropbox folder where you can browse around your dropbox 
> and delete and rename stuff if you like.
> 2) you can launch the dropbox website in safari and look at your stuff as it 
> is stored in the cloud - it'll be an exact duplicate of the dropbox folder on 
> your Mac.
> 3) you can look through a submenu of recently changed files, usually a half 
> dozen of the last files addedd or deleted from your dropbox folder.
> 4) You can see how much of your dropbox storage is currently being used.
> 5) You can Pause/resume any syncing that's currently going on.
> 6) You can set your dropbox preferences.
> 7) and finally, you can read through the dropbox help files. I would highly 
> recommend doing so. It will probably answer alot of your questions and clear 
> up your general confusion about dropbox and its function and operation.
> I sincerely hope this helps in some way - God knows life is confusing and 
> frustrating enough without adding to the mess with computer anxiety.
> .
> 
> -- Original Message - From: "Jessica Moss" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Dropbox acting up again.
> 
> 
> As for accessing it through the menu bar, I tried that, and it didn't even 
> show up, so have no idea what to make of that either.
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
> 
>> Hello.
>> Dropbox is always going to say, has no windows. The only way to access the 
>> dropbox menu is, naturally, through the menu bar.
>> HTH.
>> Matt
>> Sent from my mac
>> Twitter: matt692
>> 
>> On 2013-01-10, at 8:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, I managed to get dropbox up and running, only for it to start right 
>>> back up again with the same behavior.  It worked perfectly when I first 
>>> installed and ran it, but considering the fact that I wasn't going to be 
>>> running it or my computer forever, I was going to have to close it 
>>> eventually.
>>> Then when I relaunched it last night, and it went right back to telling me 
>>> "dropbox has no windows," and I couldn't figure out what to do with it, and 
>>> reinstalling it after trashing it does nothing.
>>> Then on top of that, it refuses to redownload so maybe I can just simply 
>>> make a fresh start, and this is driving me nuts.  Anyone got any advice?
>>> 
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Re: My initial experience with Launch Bar

[Emilio]

Hello everyone,

I would like to share a Launch Bar tip also.
Once I launch the program, I type a text snippet and it will expand into a 
particular web site, then I just press the return key and Safari will load.
I know the Mac Power Users Podcast episode 7, "LaunchBar Blackbelt" 
released July 26, 2009 goes into great detail about this app and other 
launch bar alternatives for consideration.
Thank you Tracey for the tip about enabling speaking the selected item 
feature. This has helped me very much.
I anxiously anticipate future updates with more voiceover compatibility. 
Cheers! :)

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Re: Dropbox acting up again.

[Cheryl Homiak]

The only time I've had it tell me it had no windows when I rebooted was when I 
didn't have an Internet connection but I'm sure there could be other reasons.

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On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> The only reason I was wanting to shut it down was because it was constantly 
> telling me that it had no windows and wouldn't display the Dropbox menu, so 
> was trying to reinstall to see if that would help.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
> 
>> What do you mean by "accessing it"? and, why would you "close it"?
>> 
>> Dropbox is not an app in the normal sense of that word. It is just a special 
>> folder on your hard drive, you don't need to "shut it down" when not in use, 
>> you just set it and forget it. To use dropbox you place files in the dropbox 
>> folder and the dropbox software saves a copy to the cloud and syncs that 
>> copy across all your dropbox enabled devices.
>> 
>> As far as "accessing" dropbox goes, The dropbox entry in the extras menu is 
>> activated by pressing VO enter. Then you have several choices:
>> 1)  you can open the dropbox folder where you can browse around your dropbox 
>> and delete and rename stuff if you like.
>> 2) you can launch the dropbox website in safari and look at your stuff as it 
>> is stored in the cloud - it'll be an exact duplicate of the dropbox folder 
>> on your Mac.
>> 3) you can look through a submenu of recently changed files, usually a half 
>> dozen of the last files addedd or deleted from your dropbox folder.
>> 4) You can see how much of your dropbox storage is currently being used.
>> 5) You can Pause/resume any syncing that's currently going on.
>> 6) You can set your dropbox preferences.
>> 7) and finally, you can read through the dropbox help files. I would highly 
>> recommend doing so. It will probably answer alot of your questions and clear 
>> up your general confusion about dropbox and its function and operation.
>> I sincerely hope this helps in some way - God knows life is confusing and 
>> frustrating enough without adding to the mess with computer anxiety.
>> .
>> 
>> -- Original Message - From: "Jessica Moss" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: Dropbox acting up again.
>> 
>> 
>> As for accessing it through the menu bar, I tried that, and it didn't even 
>> show up, so have no idea what to make of that either.
>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> Dropbox is always going to say, has no windows. The only way to access the 
>>> dropbox menu is, naturally, through the menu bar.
>>> HTH.
>>> Matt
>>> Sent from my mac
>>> Twitter: matt692
>>> 
>>> On 2013-01-10, at 8:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, I managed to get dropbox up and running, only for it to start right 
 back up again with the same behavior.  It worked perfectly when I first 
 installed and ran it, but considering the fact that I wasn't going to be 
 running it or my computer forever, I was going to have to close it 
 eventually.
 Then when I relaunched it last night, and it went right back to telling me 
 "dropbox has no windows," and I couldn't figure out what to do with it, 
 and reinstalling it after trashing it does nothing.
 Then on top of that, it refuses to redownload so maybe I can just simply 
 make a fresh start, and this is driving me nuts.  Anyone got any advice?
 
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Cheryl Homiak]

Oh yes, if i were going to buy an Air I would get the dongle. Sometimes you can 
get slow wifi connections and then having the ethernet cable really would help.

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On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi Neal,
> 
> Yeah, I've thought about buying one of those.  It's funny.  Really, the issue 
> comes up very rarely, but when it does come up, it's usually a real pain not 
> to have it.  Every time I have a situation where it would really be handy to 
> have a hard connection, I swear I'm boing to buy the dongle, but then I 
> forget about it when the need is no longer there. :)
> Take care,
> Donna  
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
> wrote:
> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> I sometimes too find that irritating, but, I have the Apple USB to ether net 
>> dongle, its compact and tidy when folded back on itself, just like 
>> everything Apple does, well thought out.
>> 
>> I keep that in my laptop case, if I need ether net, its there.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> On 11 Jan 2013, at 15:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know.  I wouldn't let that be a deciding factor.  I've got an 
>>> 11-inch, and absolutely love it's small size.  I did max out all the specs 
>>> when I got it, but I don't find I'm lacking for memory.  If there was 
>>> anything that would make me change from the 11-inch MBA, it'd be to go back 
>>> to an MBP, and the only reason I would do that would be for the built-in 
>>> ethernet.  Honestly, that's the only thing I've missed.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Sorry, I didn't explain. The Nifty Mini Drive is a new product for $40, on 
 sale at the end of this month I believe. Normally, an sd card sticks out 
 of your mac a bit, making it impractical to leave one in there long-term. 
 However, this product is a mini sd card adapter which sits flush with the 
 mac's body, making it able to be left inserted all the time with no fear 
 of damage to the card and/or sd slot. So, if you got the 64gb Air, you can 
 double your storage and just use the sd card for media. It's there all the 
 time and is flash-based, but you don't need to spring for the much more 
 expensive 128gb Ari, just get the adapter and as many cards as you want. 
 To relate this to the topic at hand, my point was that the 13-inch Air can 
 be expanded in this way, while the 11-inch, lacking an sd slot, cannot.
 On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
> why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't even 
> own any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just goes on a 
> USB drive.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card slot, 
>> whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive and a 
>> micro SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to the 
>> 13-inch; the 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes there are 
>> USB card readers, but that takes up one of the two ports on the machine.
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air, 
>>> after all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible lap 
>>> top, it would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm very happy 
>>> with what I have.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air, The 
 iMac blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have identical 
 sized keys.
 
 The only caveat is the Function row of keys, which on an 11in Air are 
 slightly reduced in height.
 
 otherwise, the actual keys, numeric and alpha are all the identical 
 size.
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
 Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 

Copy and paste

[Craig J Dunlop]

Using voice over and Mountain lion what is the easiest way to copy text from 
the Internet using Safari to be pasted in other locations?


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Draconis Entertainment Releases mini title for Mac OS X – SilverDollar

[Josh de Lioncourt]

Howdy partner, and welcome to the Silver Dollar Saloon!

Draconis Entertainment revisits the popular saloon of the old west featured in 
many of its audio games for the blind and visually impaired with a new mini 
title for Mac OS X! (Coming later to Windows PC's.)

Primarily intended for the blind and visually impaired, SilverDollar offers 
three mini games that serve as both a great introduction to audio games for new 
players, and  addictive fun for experienced ones. 

SilverDollar has no visual elements. Use your fingers, ears, and wits to engage 
in some western fun.

So put on your 10 gallon hat, partner, and get into a little trouble at the old 
west's premier watering hole for outlaws and gunslingers alike.

• Start a brawl with the Silver Dollar's resident tough guy.
• Prove yourself a gunslinger by testing your shooting skills, blasting flying 
crockery out of the air.
• Spend a little time at the one-armed bandit.
• Features many favorite characters from previous Draconis titles, including 
Old Man Stanley.
• Audio hints to help newcomers navigate the game menus with their ears.
• In app instructions for all the mini games.

Other mini games are planned for future updates. Have something you'd like to 
see? Let us know.

SilverDollar is available in the Mac App Store for $1.99 USD at the following 
link:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/silverdollar/id591523274?mt=12

We are open to questions on this title, or Draconis in general. As always, we 
don't comment on unannounced titles, but we will do our best to answer 
questions.

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Re: Question and Comment on Using a Braille Display with a Mac

[Scott Davert]

Hi Kristeen.
All braille devices that I have used, and that amounts to about 15 on
the mac side, support cursor routing buttons. So I'm not sure what the
issue is there.

Scott

On 1/11/13, Lisette Wesseling  wrote:
> Christine
> The cursor routing keys work absolutely as expected on my Braille Sense ON
> Hand braille display. So there's something not right about yours not
> working. What braille display are you using?
> On 12/01/2013, at 5:05 AM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>
>> I am very grateful for the help on the VO plus J command. I ,like others,
>> use it exclusively, and this makes it a lot easier.
>>
>> I have another question regarding using a braille display. Is it true that
>> the routing keys above each braille cell do nothing when pressed using the
>> Mac? I find this hard to believe and Absolutely not useful. I can't
>> imagine how often I want to route the cursor to a Braille cell. I have
>> never seen a situation where this does not work. I am hoping I am wrong.
>> Could someone please let me know?
>>
>> Kristeen Hughes
>> Skype: lostonsylvane
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> Okay, thanks for the assist on this one.  I'll look forward to hearing the
>> resolution.
>>
>> Les
>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Les.
>>> Well, I was able to do this at one time, but I'm missing a step in the
>>> process now as well. I'll have to contact someone I know off list and
>>> get this info for you. Sorry about that. I know it's possible, because
>>> I sat at a table a few months ago and went through the process with
>>> someone, but I can't find mention of it in the manual and something is
>>> missing. Now I'm frustrated and on a mission!
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 1/10/13, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 Kristeen, are you holding down your routing buttons for a couple of
 seconds.
 I find that at least on the Brailliant Bi 40, holding down the routing
 button results in the word I am on being spoken.  I'd suggest creating
 a
 short practice document and experiment with using the cursor routing
 buttons.

 Les
 On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:

> I'd loke to use VO+j as well from the keyboard, but there seems to be
> no
> way to do this.
>
> Also, I can't use any of the routing keys above the braille cells to
> move
> the cursor. This is frustrating me greatly.
>
> Kristeen
>
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>
>> They say you can not teach an old dog new tricks.  Well, this old dog
>> is,
>> for the first time, using braille input on a braille display and am
>> really enjoying it.  I recently purchased the Brailliant bi 40.  With
>> so
>> many keys in play with the Mac, it's really nice to reduce keystrokes
>> with braille.  Now for my question.  Can I jump to the text of a
>> message
>> using a braille keyboard?  I'd like to use the equivalent of vo-j
>> from
>> the braille display.  Thanks.
>>
>> Les
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Re: Draconis Entertainment Releases mini title for Mac OS X – SilverDollar

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Cool.
I just bought it.
I'll try this later on today.
THanks.
Chris

On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt  wrote:

> Howdy partner, and welcome to the Silver Dollar Saloon!
> 
> Draconis Entertainment revisits the popular saloon of the old west featured 
> in many of its audio games for the blind and visually impaired with a new 
> mini title for Mac OS X! (Coming later to Windows PC's.)
> 
> Primarily intended for the blind and visually impaired, SilverDollar offers 
> three mini games that serve as both a great introduction to audio games for 
> new players, and  addictive fun for experienced ones. 
> 
> SilverDollar has no visual elements. Use your fingers, ears, and wits to 
> engage in some western fun.
> 
> So put on your 10 gallon hat, partner, and get into a little trouble at the 
> old west's premier watering hole for outlaws and gunslingers alike.
> 
> • Start a brawl with the Silver Dollar's resident tough guy.
> • Prove yourself a gunslinger by testing your shooting skills, blasting 
> flying crockery out of the air.
> • Spend a little time at the one-armed bandit.
> • Features many favorite characters from previous Draconis titles, including 
> Old Man Stanley.
> • Audio hints to help newcomers navigate the game menus with their ears.
> • In app instructions for all the mini games.
> 
> Other mini games are planned for future updates. Have something you'd like to 
> see? Let us know.
> 
> SilverDollar is available in the Mac App Store for $1.99 USD at the following 
> link:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/silverdollar/id591523274?mt=12
> 
> We are open to questions on this title, or Draconis in general. As always, we 
> don't comment on unannounced titles, but we will do our best to answer 
> questions.
> 
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fusion or parallels?

[David Life]

My new 27" imac is coming next week and I will be an official mac 
switcher.  Anybody have advice about which way to run windows is better 
within mac os X?  I have a couple of business programs that are windows 
only.  I currently use a windows seven computer with Zoom text magnified 6x 
or so.  My vision is changing and I am anticipating learning to use VO as 
it does.  Thanks.

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Re: fusion or parallels?

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Fusion all the way.
Parallels wasn't even accessible last i checked.

On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:49 PM, David Life  wrote:

> My new 27" imac is coming next week and I will be an official mac switcher.  
> Anybody have advice about which way to run windows is better within mac os X? 
>  I have a couple of business programs that are windows only.  I currently use 
> a windows seven computer with Zoom text magnified 6x or so.  My vision is 
> changing and I am anticipating learning to use VO as it does.  Thanks.
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Re: Draconis Entertainment Releases mini title for Mac OS X – SilverDollar

[Stacey Robinson]

I just bought this and love it.
Works great with SL.

Have a Blessed Day,
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mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Jan 11, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:

> Howdy partner, and welcome to the Silver Dollar Saloon!
> 
> Draconis Entertainment revisits the popular saloon of the old west featured 
> in many of its audio games for the blind and visually impaired with a new 
> mini title for Mac OS X! (Coming later to Windows PC's.)
> 
> Primarily intended for the blind and visually impaired, SilverDollar offers 
> three mini games that serve as both a great introduction to audio games for 
> new players, and  addictive fun for experienced ones. 
> 
> SilverDollar has no visual elements. Use your fingers, ears, and wits to 
> engage in some western fun.
> 
> So put on your 10 gallon hat, partner, and get into a little trouble at the 
> old west's premier watering hole for outlaws and gunslingers alike.
> 
> • Start a brawl with the Silver Dollar's resident tough guy.
> • Prove yourself a gunslinger by testing your shooting skills, blasting 
> flying crockery out of the air.
> • Spend a little time at the one-armed bandit.
> • Features many favorite characters from previous Draconis titles, including 
> Old Man Stanley.
> • Audio hints to help newcomers navigate the game menus with their ears.
> • In app instructions for all the mini games.
> 
> Other mini games are planned for future updates. Have something you'd like to 
> see? Let us know.
> 
> SilverDollar is available in the Mac App Store for $1.99 USD at the following 
> link:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/silverdollar/id591523274?mt=12
> 
> We are open to questions on this title, or Draconis in general. As always, we 
> don't comment on unannounced titles, but we will do our best to answer 
> questions.
> 
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Temporarily disabling Messages on the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, so, with Mountain Lion, is there an easy way that I can temporarily 
disable Messages on my mac?  Basically I have a text message which might get 
sent to my IPhone phone number, which through IMessage, I have linked to my 
Messages app on the mac.  Due to privacy reasons, I don't want Messages 
getting launched when the text arrives, and Alex blerting out the content of 
the message.  So temporarily, at least for a few hours, I'd like to disable 
my IMessage on the mac so that if I am texted, it won't even see it on the o 
s x side of things, but only would see it on my IPhone.  Is this possible to 
do?


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Re: Temporarily disabling Messages on the mac

[Timothy Emmons]

I went in and went to preferences, and located the gmail or apple Id that I 
have messages sent too on the mac, and unchecked it, and clicked disable 
account. When I want to restart it, I reverse the process. Hope that helps. 
Thanks. 
On Jan 11, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> OK, so, with Mountain Lion, is there an easy way that I can temporarily 
> disable Messages on my mac?  Basically I have a text message which might get 
> sent to my IPhone phone number, which through IMessage, I have linked to my 
> Messages app on the mac.  Due to privacy reasons, I don't want Messages 
> getting launched when the text arrives, and Alex blerting out the content of 
> the message.  So temporarily, at least for a few hours, I'd like to disable 
> my IMessage on the mac so that if I am texted, it won't even see it on the o 
> s x side of things, but only would see it on my IPhone.  Is this possible to 
> do?
> 
> Chris Gilland.
> Founder of CLG Productions
> http://www.clgproductions.com
> E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
> Phone: 803-760-7136
> Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
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Re: A somewhat geeky question about partitioning the internal hard drive

[John Panarese]

You would need to erase the entire partition first.  Then, partition the 
drive with 2 partitions.  When you erase the drive, the recovery HD is erased 
as well.  However, when you install the OS on each partition, it will create a 
new recovery partition.

   Note that if you got that Mac with Mountain Lion, you will not be able to 
install Lion on it.  You cannot install a previous version of the OS than what 
initially came with the Mac.


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On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hello folks.
> I have a 21 inch Imac running Mountain lion. Now i want to repartition the 
> internal hard drive because i've just baught Pro tools and it doesn't play 
> well with Voiceover under ML. I take it i have to erase everything and 
> reformat my internal drive and somehow make both partitions bootable, one 
> with ML and one with Lion and what i wonder is what happens with the recovery 
> pratition when i erase and partition the drive? How do i go about reformating 
> so that everything is done right?
> /Krister
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Re: Mac Air Users Question

[Alex Hall]

Neil, I know you can go all-out on storage, but for $40 plus the cost
of the card you could get cheaper storage. Every time you double the
storage of the onboard drive in an Air or Pro, the price goes up at
least a hundred dollars. I haven't priced out micro sd cards, but at
some point a Nifty drive will be cheaper. I'm not saying it's for
everyone, my only point is that the 11-inch Air has no sd slot while
the 13-inch does. Someone mentioned that sd cards are not used much
anymore, so I pointed out the expansion possibilities of products like
the Nifty.

On 1/11/13, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> Oh yes, if i were going to buy an Air I would get the dongle. Sometimes you
> can get slow wifi connections and then having the ethernet cable really
> would help.
>
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>
> May the words of my mouth
> and the meditation of my heart
> be acceptable to You, Lord,
> my rock and my Redeemer.
> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>
>> Hi Neal,
>>
>> Yeah, I've thought about buying one of those.  It's funny.  Really, the
>> issue comes up very rarely, but when it does come up, it's usually a real
>> pain not to have it.  Every time I have a situation where it would really
>> be handy to have a hard connection, I swear I'm boing to buy the dongle,
>> but then I forget about it when the need is no longer there. :)
>> Take care,
>> Donna
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Donna,
>>>
>>> I sometimes too find that irritating, but, I have the Apple USB to ether
>>> net dongle, its compact and tidy when folded back on itself, just like
>>> everything Apple does, well thought out.
>>>
>>> I keep that in my laptop case, if I need ether net, its there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>>
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>>
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>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>>
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>>
>>> On 11 Jan 2013, at 15:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>
 I don't know.  I wouldn't let that be a deciding factor.  I've got an
 11-inch, and absolutely love it's small size.  I did max out all the
 specs when I got it, but I don't find I'm lacking for memory.  If there
 was anything that would make me change from the 11-inch MBA, it'd be to
 go back to an MBP, and the only reason I would do that would be for the
 built-in ethernet.  Honestly, that's the only thing I've missed.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Sorry, I didn't explain. The Nifty Mini Drive is a new product for $40,
> on sale at the end of this month I believe. Normally, an sd card sticks
> out of your mac a bit, making it impractical to leave one in there
> long-term. However, this product is a mini sd card adapter which sits
> flush with the mac's body, making it able to be left inserted all the
> time with no fear of damage to the card and/or sd slot. So, if you got
> the 64gb Air, you can double your storage and just use the sd card for
> media. It's there all the time and is flash-based, but you don't need
> to spring for the much more expensive 128gb Ari, just get the adapter
> and as many cards as you want. To relate this to the topic at hand, my
> point was that the 13-inch Air can be expanded in this way, while the
> 11-inch, lacking an sd slot, cannot.
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>
>> why would you want an SD card if you can use a thumb drive?  I don't
>> even own any SD cards any more.  Any extra file storage I need just
>> goes on a USB drive.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>>> The one thing to remember is that the 11-inch model has no SD card
>>> slot, whereas the 13-inch model does. Coupled with a Nifty Mini drive
>>> and a micro SD card, you can then add up to 64gb of extra storage to
>>> the 13-inch; the 11-inch, lacking the SD slot, cannot do this. Yes
>>> there are USB card readers, but that takes up one of the two ports on
>>> the machine.
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>>
 I don't know why people would be concerned about the Mac Book Air,
 after all, it's as small as a net book. If I were to buy a portible
 lap top, it would be the 11 inch MacBook Air.  At the moment I'm
 very happy with what I have.

 Kawal.

 On 11 Jan 2013, at 10:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
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> I'm not sure why folk keep talking about smaller keys on the Air,
> The iMac blue tooth keyboard and the 11in and 13in Air have
> id

Re: sorry, more on Drop-Box

[Ray Foret Jr]

You should reinstall Drop box and when prompted for your Mac passrod, just 
enter it in the window.  VO+F2 should locate the window for you if you lose 
focus.  I'd use the tab key once you get in to that window.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Just installed Drop-Box.  I was prompted to enter the password for my Mac, 
> but  spaced it out, so I quit the install, and rebooted my computer.  Now, I 
> don't seem to be able to get back to the place where I can enter my password. 
>  
> 
> 1.  Is it really necessary for me to do this?
> 
> 2.  If yes--and I'm assuming yes is the correct answer to no. 1--how do I get 
> back to that point and provide the password.
> 
> Finally, I've copied a file into my dropbox folder, but can see no way to 
> upload it.  I've tried the Extras menu, also VO-Shift-M, and have just 
> arrowed around the screen.  I realize this problem may well be because I 
> didn't enter my password, but in the event that that's not my problem, 
> where's the upload button?
> 
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: My initial experience with Launch Bar

[Traci]

I think you need to put a period before that bit of text.  Example, .youtube.

A further tip on that one, after typing your text, you can press tab, then 
arrow down to see what apps can open it.  For instance if you had 2 browsers.

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On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Emilio  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I would like to share a Launch Bar tip also.
> Once I launch the program, I type a text snippet and it will expand into a 
> particular web site, then I just press the return key and Safari will load.
> I know the Mac Power Users Podcast episode 7, "LaunchBar Blackbelt" released 
> July 26, 2009 goes into great detail about this app and other launch bar 
> alternatives for consideration.
> Thank you Tracey for the tip about enabling speaking the selected item 
> feature. This has helped me very much.
> I anxiously anticipate future updates with more voiceover compatibility. 
> Cheers! :)
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Re: go to linked item command (was Question and Comment on Using a Braille Display with a Mac)

[Ioana Gandrabur]

I use it in itunes.
It lets me jump to lcd screen to see status fast. Or in iphone apps view. I can 
quickly find filie sharing apps.

hth,

Ioana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I only asked because I've heard of people using the command in iTunes, and 
> possibly other apps as well, so did not know when and where it is commonly 
> used.
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:34 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Alex, I think you answered your own question, .  I will only use 
>> this keystroke in the Mail App.  I spend considerable time reading through 
>> Mail in Conversation View.  Now, I could press the Return Key, invoke a Read 
>> All command and then return to the message list.  Being able to jump back 
>> and forth between the message list and the message text is probably the 
>> single keystroke I most use given the volume of mail from the Mac 
>> Visionaries and VI Phone lists.  The proximity of the space bar and the J 
>> key on the braille keyboard is much preferred over its equivalent on the Mac 
>> keyboard.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> No problem, but why is it so useful? I understand how it works in the mail 
>>> app, but aside from that I can't see how or when I would want to use it. 
>>> How do I know where it will go? What item is linked to what? Must I 
>>> interact with something first? Can there be chains of links? Perhaps if I 
>>> had a deep understanding of GUI programming for OS10 I would know this 
>>> stuff, but I don't so I don't, if that makes sense.
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:48 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
 Alex, nice catch!  I assigned space with j to the go to linked item 
 command, and it works from within the messages list.  Thank you, it's  
 easier on my hands to press the braille key combination, and I'll be using 
 this keystroke all of the time now.
 
 Les
 On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:32 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> So, I haven't tested this or followed this thread too closely. I just had 
> a look in the commands menus and I think the command you guys want is in 
> the navigation menu, called "go to linked item". At least, if you press 
> vo-h and go to commands, then navigation, it says that vo-j is assigned 
> to this item.
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Please put the answer to this question on list, and I'm sure it will 
>> help others as well. Vo J is such a useful command for those of us who 
>> like to use the preview pane in mail.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
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Re: fusion or parallels?

[Mike Arrigo]

You have a few options. You can use boot camp which allows you to 
either boot the mac in to windows or the mac operating system. If you 
want to use virtual machine software, fusion is the only option since 
parallels is not accessible with voiceover, and the company seems to 
have no interest in fixing this.

Original message:
My new 27" imac is coming next week and I will be an official mac 
switcher. Anybody have advice about which way to run windows is better 
within mac os X? I have a couple of business programs that are windows 
only. I currently use a windows seven computer with Zoom text magnified 
6x or so. My vision is changing and I am anticipating learning to use 
VO as it does. Thanks.

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Re: sorry, more on Drop-Box

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, that's exactly what I did. :)
Cheers,
Donna
On Jan 11, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> You should reinstall Drop box and when prompted for your Mac passrod, just 
> enter it in the window.  VO+F2 should locate the window for you if you lose 
> focus.  I'd use the tab key once you get in to that window.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just installed Drop-Box.  I was prompted to enter the password for my Mac, 
>> but  spaced it out, so I quit the install, and rebooted my computer.  Now, I 
>> don't seem to be able to get back to the place where I can enter my 
>> password.  
>> 
>> 1.  Is it really necessary for me to do this?
>> 
>> 2.  If yes--and I'm assuming yes is the correct answer to no. 1--how do I 
>> get back to that point and provide the password.
>> 
>> Finally, I've copied a file into my dropbox folder, but can see no way to 
>> upload it.  I've tried the Extras menu, also VO-Shift-M, and have just 
>> arrowed around the screen.  I realize this problem may well be because I 
>> didn't enter my password, but in the event that that's not my problem, 
>> where's the upload button?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Braille Sense oN Hand and Mac, was Question and Comment on Using a Braille Display with a Mac

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi Scott
Have you ever had panning problems with any of the braille displays you have 
tried? I'm still having issues with my Braille Sense on Hand not panning 
properly. It only displays the first 18 cells of the line, then jumps to the 
beginning of the next line when I pan the display. It ignores the second half 
of the  braille line. 
It seems such a basic thing to be wrong when everything else, including routing 
and key strokes all work well. It works perfectly on IOS.

Lisette

On 12/01/2013, at 9:39 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:

> Hi Kristeen.
> All braille devices that I have used, and that amounts to about 15 on
> the mac side, support cursor routing buttons. So I'm not sure what the
> issue is there.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 1/11/13, Lisette Wesseling  wrote:
>> Christine
>> The cursor routing keys work absolutely as expected on my Braille Sense ON
>> Hand braille display. So there's something not right about yours not
>> working. What braille display are you using?
>> On 12/01/2013, at 5:05 AM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am very grateful for the help on the VO plus J command. I ,like others,
>>> use it exclusively, and this makes it a lot easier.
>>> 
>>> I have another question regarding using a braille display. Is it true that
>>> the routing keys above each braille cell do nothing when pressed using the
>>> Mac? I find this hard to believe and Absolutely not useful. I can't
>>> imagine how often I want to route the cursor to a Braille cell. I have
>>> never seen a situation where this does not work. I am hoping I am wrong.
>>> Could someone please let me know?
>>> 
>>> Kristeen Hughes
>>> Skype: lostonsylvane
>>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> Okay, thanks for the assist on this one.  I'll look forward to hearing the
>>> resolution.
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Scott Davert 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Les.
 Well, I was able to do this at one time, but I'm missing a step in the
 process now as well. I'll have to contact someone I know off list and
 get this info for you. Sorry about that. I know it's possible, because
 I sat at a table a few months ago and went through the process with
 someone, but I can't find mention of it in the manual and something is
 missing. Now I'm frustrated and on a mission!
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/10/13, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> Kristeen, are you holding down your routing buttons for a couple of
> seconds.
> I find that at least on the Brailliant Bi 40, holding down the routing
> button results in the word I am on being spoken.  I'd suggest creating
> a
> short practice document and experiment with using the cursor routing
> buttons.
> 
> Les
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
>> I'd loke to use VO+j as well from the keyboard, but there seems to be
>> no
>> way to do this.
>> 
>> Also, I can't use any of the routing keys above the braille cells to
>> move
>> the cursor. This is frustrating me greatly.
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> 
>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>>> They say you can not teach an old dog new tricks.  Well, this old dog
>>> is,
>>> for the first time, using braille input on a braille display and am
>>> really enjoying it.  I recently purchased the Brailliant bi 40.  With
>>> so
>>> many keys in play with the Mac, it's really nice to reduce keystrokes
>>> with braille.  Now for my question.  Can I jump to the text of a
>>> message
>>> using a braille keyboard?  I'd like to use the equivalent of vo-j
>>> from
>>> the braille display.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Les
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Re: sorry, more on Drop-Box

[Ray Foret Jr]

Glad you got it solved.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Jan 11, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Thanks, that's exactly what I did. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> You should reinstall Drop box and when prompted for your Mac passrod, just 
>> enter it in the window.  VO+F2 should locate the window for you if you lose 
>> focus.  I'd use the tab key once you get in to that window.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just installed Drop-Box.  I was prompted to enter the password for my Mac, 
>>> but  spaced it out, so I quit the install, and rebooted my computer.  Now, 
>>> I don't seem to be able to get back to the place where I can enter my 
>>> password.  
>>> 
>>> 1.  Is it really necessary for me to do this?
>>> 
>>> 2.  If yes--and I'm assuming yes is the correct answer to no. 1--how do I 
>>> get back to that point and provide the password.
>>> 
>>> Finally, I've copied a file into my dropbox folder, but can see no way to 
>>> upload it.  I've tried the Extras menu, also VO-Shift-M, and have just 
>>> arrowed around the screen.  I realize this problem may well be because I 
>>> didn't enter my password, but in the event that that's not my problem, 
>>> where's the upload button?
>>> 
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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bookle

[Mary Otten]

This is an app available on the Mac store which enables you to read epubs on 
the Mac. On the applevis site, the commenter who posted about the app noted 
that it is accessible, although navigation of the sidebar where you select 
books is difficult. I bought the app, and I have to concur with that. Indeed, 
while I have managed to import several epubs into the app, I can't actually 
open any of them. This table is the darndest thing I've ever seen. HAS ANYBODY 
FIGURED OUT HOW THIS THING IS SUPPOSE TO WORK? IT CAME WITH DOCUMENTATION THAT 
WAS USABLE, BUT ONCE I STARTED IMPORTING BOOKS AND HAD MORE THAN JUST THAT ONE 
IN MY TABLE OF BOOKS, THINGS WENT DOWNHILL FAST.
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Re: Draconis Entertainment Releases mini title for Mac OS X – SilverDollar

[Teresa Cochran]

Another goody, guys. You do realize this is seriously cutting into my reading 
time. :)

Teresa


"Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga

On Jan 11, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> I just bought this and love it.
> Works great with SL.
> 
> Have a Blessed Day,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Chesley
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
> 
>> Howdy partner, and welcome to the Silver Dollar Saloon!
>> 
>> Draconis Entertainment revisits the popular saloon of the old west featured 
>> in many of its audio games for the blind and visually impaired with a new 
>> mini title for Mac OS X! (Coming later to Windows PC's.)
>> 
>> Primarily intended for the blind and visually impaired, SilverDollar offers 
>> three mini games that serve as both a great introduction to audio games for 
>> new players, and  addictive fun for experienced ones. 
>> 
>> SilverDollar has no visual elements. Use your fingers, ears, and wits to 
>> engage in some western fun.
>> 
>> So put on your 10 gallon hat, partner, and get into a little trouble at the 
>> old west's premier watering hole for outlaws and gunslingers alike.
>> 
>> • Start a brawl with the Silver Dollar's resident tough guy.
>> • Prove yourself a gunslinger by testing your shooting skills, blasting 
>> flying crockery out of the air.
>> • Spend a little time at the one-armed bandit.
>> • Features many favorite characters from previous Draconis titles, including 
>> Old Man Stanley.
>> • Audio hints to help newcomers navigate the game menus with their ears.
>> • In app instructions for all the mini games.
>> 
>> Other mini games are planned for future updates. Have something you'd like 
>> to see? Let us know.
>> 
>> SilverDollar is available in the Mac App Store for $1.99 USD at the 
>> following link:
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/silverdollar/id591523274?mt=12
>> 
>> We are open to questions on this title, or Draconis in general. As always, 
>> we don't comment on unannounced titles, but we will do our best to answer 
>> questions.
>> 
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Itunes on Mac question

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi
I've just taken the plunge and transferred my iTunes library  from my Windows 
pc to my Mac. Once you have finished syncing a device, is it necessary to find 
and press the eject button or can you just unplug it? Is there a quick way to 
find this eject button? I found the iPhone popup button and saw it there but is 
there a better way?
Also, sometimes command 1 2 3 and 4 jumps nicely to the music, movies tv 
programmes and podcast tables, and sometimes it doesn't. Can anyone explain 
this. I have the list radio button checked. Is this the best way to view 
things? I'm still getting my head around iTunes on the mac but can see it's 
much better than on Windows.

Cheers
Lisette

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Re: bookle

[Les Kriegler]

Mary, Robert Carter did a brief review and demonstration of this app in one of 
his Tech Doctor podcasts.  I have the app as well, and I find it difficult to 
move through specific books.  I can generally get into a book, but navigating 
it is another story.  I purchased several of the Take Control Books which are 
in Epub format, but I haven't read as much of the content as I had planned due 
to the challenges of navigating books with this program.

Les
On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> This is an app available on the Mac store which enables you to read epubs on 
> the Mac. On the applevis site, the commenter who posted about the app noted 
> that it is accessible, although navigation of the sidebar where you select 
> books is difficult. I bought the app, and I have to concur with that. Indeed, 
> while I have managed to import several epubs into the app, I can't actually 
> open any of them. This table is the darndest thing I've ever seen. HAS 
> ANYBODY FIGURED OUT HOW THIS THING IS SUPPOSE TO WORK? IT CAME WITH 
> DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS USABLE, BUT ONCE I STARTED IMPORTING BOOKS AND HAD 
> MORE THAN JUST THAT ONE IN MY TABLE OF BOOKS, THINGS WENT DOWNHILL FAST.
> the
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: A somewhat geeky question about partitioning the internal hard drive

[Phil Halton]

I had wondered about this same question, so , I created a usb thumbdrive 
with the mountain lion installer and OS utilities on it. I used Lion Disk 
Maker for this. I got the ML installer from the app store on my purchases 
page.


Then, I booted from the USB drive, and using the OS utilities there, erased 
the Mac HD and did the ML reinstall from the USB installer.


It worked very nicely, and I felt a little safer working off The USB drive, 
than from the Mac HD recovery partition, which as you say, is erased along 
with the erasure of the Mac Hard Disk.


Phew, hope that made some sense.


- Original Message - 
From: "John Panarese" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: A somewhat geeky question about partitioning the internal hard 
drive



   You would need to erase the entire partition first.  Then, partition the 
drive with 2 partitions.  When you erase the drive, the recovery HD is 
erased as well.  However, when you install the OS on each partition, it will 
create a new recovery partition.


  Note that if you got that Mac with Mountain Lion, you will not be able to 
install Lion on it.  You cannot install a previous version of the OS than 
what initially came with the Mac.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
wrote:



Hello folks.
I have a 21 inch Imac running Mountain lion. Now i want to repartition the 
internal hard drive because i've just baught Pro tools and it doesn't play 
well with Voiceover under ML. I take it i have to erase everything and 
reformat my internal drive and somehow make both partitions bootable, one 
with ML and one with Lion and what i wonder is what happens with the 
recovery pratition when i erase and partition the drive? How do i go about 
reformating so that everything is done right?

/Krister

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Re: Dropbox acting up again.

[Jessica Moss]

How do you go about doing that?
On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Chris Bruinenberg wrote:

> I second that.
> I Did an update and it was such a pain in the neck.
> It's easier to just start over clean. :)
> 
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Okay.  Cost will be $19.95 if I remember correctly.  Go to the app store, 
>> then, type "Mountain Lion"  That should bring it up right away.
>> 
>> Some say you can just overinstall and that should work:  But, if you ask me, 
>> I'd go for a clean install.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, how would I go about upgrading/installing to that, and how much would 
>>> that cost me?  I know next to nothing about that, so would love some info 
>>> on that.
>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:41 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
 He's right:  and, furthermore, if there's no Drop Box menu, you ain't 
 synching.  That's the reason why you can't share I'd bet.
 
 I stress again, however, I'd really switch over to ML were I you.  Doing 
 this will give you access to a lot more things then Lion will-Drop Box 
 access among them.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
 
> Now one thing you could try at least from what i remember when i had lion 
> is do everything from the context menu.
> Go to the home directory and dropbox, find the folder or file you want to 
> share, and press vo+shift+m to go to the context menu.
> Then look and see if there is a dropbox menu to share.
> 
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Matt Dierckens  
> wrote:
> 
>> IT WON'T SHOW UP UNLESS YOU HAVE MOUNTAIN LION.
>> Matt
>> Sent from my mac
>> Twitter: matt692
>> 
>> On 2013-01-10, at 8:21 PM, Jessica Moss  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> As for accessing it through the menu bar, I tried that, and it didn't 
>>> even show up, so have no idea what to make of that either.
>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
>>> 
 Hello.
 Dropbox is always going to say, has no windows. The only way to access 
 the dropbox menu is, naturally, through the menu bar.
 HTH.
 Matt
 Sent from my mac
 Twitter: matt692
 
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 wrote:
 
> Ok, I managed to get dropbox up and running, only for it to start 
> right back up again with the same behavior.  It worked perfectly when 
> I first installed and ran it, but considering the fact that I wasn't 
> going to be running it or my computer forever, I was going to have to 
> close it eventually.
> Then when I relaunched it last night, and it went right back to 
> telling me "dropbox has no windows," and I couldn't figure out what 
> to do with it, and reinstalling it after trashing it does nothing.
> Then on top of that, it refuses to redownload so maybe I can just 
> simply make a fresh start, and this is driving me nuts.  Anyone got 
> any advice?
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Re: A somewhat geeky question about partitioning the internal hard drive

[Daniel C]

It does make sense yes. But unless you really need the space it wouldn't harm 
anything to keep the Mac recovery HD.

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go to linked item command (was Question and Comment on Using a Braille Display with a Mac)

[Nicholas Parsons]

VO-J can also be used
•   in Skype and Messages to jump between the conversation HTML 
area and the edit field to type instant messages;
•   in NewsRack to jump between the table of feeds, the table of 
articles and the HTML area displaying the selected article; and
•   In Finder to jump between the sidebar and browser.

I'm sure there's many more but those are just a few. Basically if an app has 
one list or table which changes the content of some other area or list then 
VO-J will probably work to jump between these two. You don't need to have 
interacted to use VO-J and it automatically interacts with the "linked" item. 
Unfortunately VO-SHIFT-J doesn't work to jump backwards.

Having said all that, I don't often use it myself except for in News Rack. Not 
sure why this is.

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Draconis Entertainment Releases mini title for Mac OS X – SilverDollar

[Nicholas Parsons]

Sounds interesting. Will check it out.

I'd really love it if you guys made a poker game (might suit the Silver Dollar) 
or a Monopoly game. But that's just me.

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Re: Itunes on Mac question

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Lisette,

If you want to, you can make ITunes a little more navigable by showing the 
sidebar with command-option-s. This will make it behave as it did in previous 
versions, with the source list and tables.

You can then find your device in the sources list, and then press command-e to 
eject it.

You have to be in the music area for the hotkeys to work. Again, if you want, 
you can go there with the sidebar showing. Also, instead of the album grid, you 
can select the songs radio button, and this makes things a bit easier to 
navigate as well.

HtH,
Teresa


Visualize whirled peas.

On Jan 11, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> Hi
> I've just taken the plunge and transferred my iTunes library  from my Windows 
> pc to my Mac. Once you have finished syncing a device, is it necessary to 
> find and press the eject button or can you just unplug it? Is there a quick 
> way to find this eject button? I found the iPhone popup button and saw it 
> there but is there a better way?
> Also, sometimes command 1 2 3 and 4 jumps nicely to the music, movies tv 
> programmes and podcast tables, and sometimes it doesn't. Can anyone explain 
> this. I have the list radio button checked. Is this the best way to view 
> things? I'm still getting my head around iTunes on the mac but can see it's 
> much better than on Windows.
> 
> Cheers
> Lisette
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Copy and paste

[Nicholas Parsons]

I think someone was asking about copy and paste in Safari.

To copy:
•   Navigate to the item you wish to copy using VO-Right Arrow or 
just right arrow with Quick Nav turned on.
•   Turn Quick Nav off if it is not already.
•   Use COMMAND-SHIFT-RIGHT ARROW to select one line, and then 
arrow down while holding shift to select multiple lines. Unfortunately using 
SHIFT-OPTION-ARROW keys to select or deselect particular words has unreliable 
results.
•   Once you have selected the desired text, use COMMAND-C to copy.
•   Use COMMAND-V to paste wherever you like.

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Re: Itunes on Mac question

[Agent086b]

Hello, try Cmd E to eject. 
Max. 
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> I've just taken the plunge and transferred my iTunes library  from my Windows 
> pc to my Mac. Once you have finished syncing a device, is it necessary to 
> find and press the eject button or can you just unplug it? Is there a quick 
> way to find this eject button? I found the iPhone popup button and saw it 
> there but is there a better way?
> Also, sometimes command 1 2 3 and 4 jumps nicely to the music, movies tv 
> programmes and podcast tables, and sometimes it doesn't. Can anyone explain 
> this. I have the list radio button checked. Is this the best way to view 
> things? I'm still getting my head around iTunes on the mac but can see it's 
> much better than on Windows.
> 
> Cheers
> Lisette
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New list member welcome message.

[Danny Noonan]

I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought I 
would say hi to the list.

I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn it 
properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The fact 
that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all honesty did 
help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10, Lion and 
now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal headaches at 
first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and then windows 
muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard to recall 
Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the wonderful vo to 
caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac is becoming my 
favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite a while. I don't 
miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and wondering why I get a 
different adaptive experience on each different machine I use.

I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as possible. 
The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like to 
share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to help me 
learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the favours.

I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical side of 
things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully accessible 
it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using Amadeus Pro as I 
finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in to anything more than 
a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music creation apps, recording 
solutions or learning resources are always greatly appreciated. 

Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.

Kind regards,
Danny Noonan.

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Re: New list member welcome message.

[Alex Hall]

I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
totally unuseable, in my opinion.

On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan  wrote:
> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought I
> would say hi to the list.
>
> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn
> it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The
> fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all honesty
> did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10,
> Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
> headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and
> then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard
> to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac
> is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite a
> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
> machine I use.
>
> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as possible.
> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like
> to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to
> help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
> favours.
>
> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical side
> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using
> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in
> to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
> creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
>
> Kind regards,
> Danny Noonan.
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Re: New list member welcome message.

[Danny Noonan]

That brings up a good question. I tried Audacity on windows and on hearing it 
was now more VO friendly on mac, just installed it the other day. I'm having 
the same issue with it on Mac as I did on Windows though.

My interface is a Saffire Pro14 and although I can find the device in Audacity, 
I for the life of me can't find where to select which input/inputs. I need to 
be able to select in1 and or 2 for my mike and instrument in's and until I can 
work this out, I can't use it at all.

If anyone has any ideas, I would appreciate it.

Danny:

On 12/01/2013, at 1:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
> list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
> import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
> have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
> along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
> a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
> totally unuseable, in my opinion.
> 
> On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan  wrote:
>> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought I
>> would say hi to the list.
>> 
>> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn
>> it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The
>> fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all honesty
>> did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10,
>> Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
>> headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and
>> then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard
>> to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
>> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac
>> is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite a
>> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
>> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
>> machine I use.
>> 
>> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as possible.
>> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like
>> to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to
>> help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
>> favours.
>> 
>> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical side
>> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
>> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using
>> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in
>> to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
>> creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Danny Noonan.
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Re: New list member welcome message.

[Ray Foret Jr]

Hi Danny, welcome.  Ray here.

I have been considering Sound Forge for the Mac.  Yep, it's out now.  Quite 
accessible to from what I hear.  There remain a few issues:  but, I'm hoping 
Sony clears those up.  


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:

> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought I 
> would say hi to the list.
> 
> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn it 
> properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The fact 
> that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all honesty did 
> help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10, Lion 
> and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal headaches 
> at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and then 
> windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard to 
> recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the 
> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac is 
> becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite a 
> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and 
> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different machine 
> I use.
> 
> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as possible. 
> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like to 
> share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to help 
> me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the favours.
> 
> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical side 
> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully 
> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using 
> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in to 
> anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music creation 
> apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly 
> appreciated. 
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Danny Noonan.
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Re: New list member welcome message.

[Danny Noonan]

Thanks for the info. I do own AmpKit but haven't exported yet. That's my next 
step. Problem is I'm having to much fun finding all the things it can do. I'd 
strongly recommend any Guitarists/Bassists to check it out. There is a free 
demo that lets you do a lot. Always a good idea when an app costs 50ish 
dollars. Still, for the access and what the app can do, I found $50 or, $51.95 
AUD very reasonable.

Danny:


On 12/01/2013, at 1:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
> list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
> import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
> have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
> along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
> a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
> totally unuseable, in my opinion.
> 
> On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan  wrote:
>> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought I
>> would say hi to the list.
>> 
>> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn
>> it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The
>> fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all honesty
>> did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10,
>> Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
>> headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and
>> then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard
>> to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
>> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac
>> is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite a
>> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
>> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
>> machine I use.
>> 
>> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as possible.
>> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like
>> to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to
>> help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
>> favours.
>> 
>> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical side
>> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
>> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using
>> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in
>> to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
>> creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Danny Noonan.
>> 
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Re: New list member welcome message.

[Danny Noonan]

Hi Ray.

I haven't yet looked into SF on mac although I did here it was out. As a post 
production tool, it was pretty much unrivalled on pc so I'm interested to see 
how it stacks up on the mac. 

Right at the moment, I'm more into the multi-track recording aspects and as far 
as I'm aware, it's a multi-channel recorder. I think it was Vagus LA or 
something that was Sony's multi-track offering and that was never accessible in 
my understanding.

If you end up getting it, I'd be very interested in your views on it.

Thanks for the friendly welcome.
Danny:


On 12/01/2013, at 2:14 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Hi Danny, welcome.  Ray here.
> 
> I have been considering Sound Forge for the Mac.  Yep, it's out now.  Quite 
> accessible to from what I hear.  There remain a few issues:  but, I'm hoping 
> Sony clears those up.  
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:
> 
>> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought I 
>> would say hi to the list.
>> 
>> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn 
>> it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The 
>> fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all honesty 
>> did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10, 
>> Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal 
>> headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and 
>> then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard 
>> to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the 
>> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac 
>> is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite a 
>> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and 
>> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different 
>> machine I use.
>> 
>> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as possible. 
>> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like 
>> to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to 
>> help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the 
>> favours.
>> 
>> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical side 
>> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully 
>> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using 
>> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in 
>> to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music 
>> creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly 
>> appreciated. 
>> 
>> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Danny Noonan.
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Re: bookle

[Mary Otten]

Hi Les,

I have not listened to Robert's podcast. It does seem that the way to actually 
get into a book is to find it in the single column table, then search on the 
word contents. That takes you to the table of contents, where you can arrow 
down to see the different sections, chapters, whatever. Then you move to the 
html area, where the text seems to read out just fine. The problem I have with 
the single column table is that, more often than not, instead of announcing the 
title I arrow to, I get VO telling me that row such and so was expanded or so 
many rows were added etc. Not at all useful info in this case, since that info 
wipes out the announcement of the currently selected title.

Mary

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Re: New list member welcome message.

[Ray Foret Jr]

Quite correct Danny:  it was indeed Vagus LA that was the multitrack offering.  
I do not ever recall that it was or could be made accessible with JAWS via 
clunky crashy windows-note the small w that is on purpose.  I understand that 
most of the basic functions can be done with Sound Forge on the Mac.  We're 
talking cutting, pasting, setting markers and so forth.  There remain-as I 
indicated before-some issues.  For example, when ever you go in to the record 
dialog, Voice Over tends to say "busy busy busy" a lot.  Also, working with 
regions seems not to be possible.  Also, recalling presets seems not to be 
possible either.  These are very nearly deal breakers for me:  however, I ain't 
decided yet.  Frankly, I know that there are some blind Mac users who have sort 
of played with the demo version.  Kevin Reves, if you happen to be reading 
this, feel free to jump in here as I would like to know whether or not any of 
these matters have been addressed by Sony.

AS for Amadeus Pro, I do use it a lot.  My big thing is remastering-taking the 
scratches and noise out of vinyl disks, hiss removal from analog cassette tapes 
and so on.  For this, I use a combination of Amadeus Pro with RX version 2.10 
plugins.  RX is not totally accessible:  yet, it's accessible enough to let me 
do what I most need to do.  I wish I could spring for RX pro:  but, if I am 
going to move up to Sound Forge-which I understand makes use of the same 
digital processing algorithms as RX-well, RX pro will jus have to wait.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:24 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:

> Hi Ray.
> 
> I haven't yet looked into SF on mac although I did here it was out. As a post 
> production tool, it was pretty much unrivalled on pc so I'm interested to see 
> how it stacks up on the mac. 
> 
> Right at the moment, I'm more into the multi-track recording aspects and as 
> far as I'm aware, it's a multi-channel recorder. I think it was Vagus LA or 
> something that was Sony's multi-track offering and that was never accessible 
> in my understanding.
> 
> If you end up getting it, I'd be very interested in your views on it.
> 
> Thanks for the friendly welcome.
> Danny:
> 
> 
> On 12/01/2013, at 2:14 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Danny, welcome.  Ray here.
>> 
>> I have been considering Sound Forge for the Mac.  Yep, it's out now.  Quite 
>> accessible to from what I hear.  There remain a few issues:  but, I'm hoping 
>> Sony clears those up.  
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:
>> 
>>> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought 
>>> I would say hi to the list.
>>> 
>>> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn 
>>> it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The 
>>> fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all 
>>> honesty did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been 
>>> using OS10, Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I 
>>> got literal headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of 
>>> first dos and then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I 
>>> have to work hard to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. 
>>> Add to this the wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage 
>>> of and the Mac is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has 
>>> been for quite a while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to 
>>> afford JFW and wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each 
>>> different machine I use.
>>> 
>>> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as 
>>> possible. The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find 
>>> answers, I like to share them with others. Many people gave of there time 
>>> and knowledge to help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to 
>>> help return the favours.
>>> 
>>> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical 
>>> side of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully 
>>> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using 
>>> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in 
>>> to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music 
>>> creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly 
>>> appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Danny Noonan.
>>> 
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new member and introduction

[Kerri]

Hi, all. 

I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun using 
the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June. 
I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada. 
On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
> list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
> import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
> have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
> along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
> a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
> totally unuseable, in my opinion.
> 
> On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan  wrote:
>> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought I
>> would say hi to the list.
>> 
>> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn
>> it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The
>> fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all honesty
>> did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10,
>> Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
>> headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and
>> then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard
>> to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
>> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac
>> is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite a
>> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
>> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
>> machine I use.
>> 
>> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as possible.
>> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like
>> to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to
>> help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
>> favours.
>> 
>> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical side
>> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
>> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using
>> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in
>> to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
>> creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Danny Noonan.
>> 
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Re: new member and introduction

[Alex Hall]

Well, a warm welcome to you as well. :) I haven't seen you on here
much, so you must be getting along pretty well, or not using the Mac
very much. 

On 1/11/13, Kerri  wrote:
> Hi, all.
>
> I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun
> using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June.
> I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada.
> On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
>> I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
>> list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
>> import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
>> have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
>> along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
>> a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
>> totally unuseable, in my opinion.
>>
>> On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan  wrote:
>>> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so
>>> thought I
>>> would say hi to the list.
>>>
>>> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to
>>> learn
>>> it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in.
>>> The
>>> fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all
>>> honesty
>>> did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using
>>> OS10,
>>> Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
>>> headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos
>>> and
>>> then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work
>>> hard
>>> to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
>>> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the
>>> Mac
>>> is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for
>>> quite a
>>> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
>>> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
>>> machine I use.
>>>
>>> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as
>>> possible.
>>> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I
>>> like
>>> to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge
>>> to
>>> help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
>>> favours.
>>>
>>> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical
>>> side
>>> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
>>> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and
>>> using
>>> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band
>>> in
>>> to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
>>> creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always
>>> greatly
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Danny Noonan.
>>>
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DVD ripping software

[Chad Rohr]

I have ripped a bunch of my DVDs that I bought a while ago. But it's probably 
been like six months Since I have done this. What is the best application that 
you guys use for ripping commercially bought DVDs?
I was using DVD reMaster But I know there is a new version of that and I can't 
get my old version to work correctly.
Thank you very much for the assistance.

Sincerely,
Chad Rohr

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Sound editing (was New list member welcome message.)

[Alex Hall]

Hit cmd-comma in Audacity, then select devices (I believe) from the
table. Once that's done, tab to the different input/output options and
set them. The input may be in the recording option rather than
devices, but you should find it easily enough.

On 1/11/13, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> Quite correct Danny:  it was indeed Vagus LA that was the multitrack
> offering.  I do not ever recall that it was or could be made accessible with
> JAWS via clunky crashy windows-note the small w that is on purpose.  I
> understand that most of the basic functions can be done with Sound Forge on
> the Mac.  We're talking cutting, pasting, setting markers and so forth.
> There remain-as I indicated before-some issues.  For example, when ever you
> go in to the record dialog, Voice Over tends to say "busy busy busy" a lot.
> Also, working with regions seems not to be possible.  Also, recalling
> presets seems not to be possible either.  These are very nearly deal
> breakers for me:  however, I ain't decided yet.  Frankly, I know that there
> are some blind Mac users who have sort of played with the demo version.
> Kevin Reves, if you happen to be reading this, feel free to jump in here as
> I would like to know whether or not any of these matters have been addressed
> by Sony.
>
> AS for Amadeus Pro, I do use it a lot.  My big thing is remastering-taking
> the scratches and noise out of vinyl disks, hiss removal from analog
> cassette tapes and so on.  For this, I use a combination of Amadeus Pro with
> RX version 2.10 plugins.  RX is not totally accessible:  yet, it's
> accessible enough to let me do what I most need to do.  I wish I could
> spring for RX pro:  but, if I am going to move up to Sound Forge-which I
> understand makes use of the same digital processing algorithms as RX-well,
> RX pro will jus have to wait.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:24 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:
>
>> Hi Ray.
>>
>> I haven't yet looked into SF on mac although I did here it was out. As a
>> post production tool, it was pretty much unrivalled on pc so I'm
>> interested to see how it stacks up on the mac.
>>
>> Right at the moment, I'm more into the multi-track recording aspects and
>> as far as I'm aware, it's a multi-channel recorder. I think it was Vagus
>> LA or something that was Sony's multi-track offering and that was never
>> accessible in my understanding.
>>
>> If you end up getting it, I'd be very interested in your views on it.
>>
>> Thanks for the friendly welcome.
>> Danny:
>>
>>
>> On 12/01/2013, at 2:14 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Danny, welcome.  Ray here.
>>>
>>> I have been considering Sound Forge for the Mac.  Yep, it's out now.
>>> Quite accessible to from what I hear.  There remain a few issues:  but,
>>> I'm hoping Sony clears those up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Danny Noonan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so
 thought I would say hi to the list.

 I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to
 learn it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right
 in. The fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in
 all honesty did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've
 been using OS10, Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and
 yes, I got literal headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon
 years of first dos and then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to
 where I have to work hard to recall Windows commands and not the other
 way round. Add to this the wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently
 took advantage of and the Mac is becoming my favourite platform. Who am
 I kidding, it has been for quite a while. I don't miss Driver issues,
 selling my sole to afford JFW and wondering why I get a different
 adaptive experience on each different machine I use.

 I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as
 possible. The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find
 answers, I like to share them with others. Many people gave of there
 time and knowledge to help me learn and returning the favour is a good
 way to help return the favours.

 I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical
 side of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how
 wonderfully accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into
 learning and using Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting
 to make Garage Band in to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any
 suggestions on music creation apps, recording solutions or learning
 resources are always greatly appreciated.

 Anyway, thanks for the 

Re: new member and introduction

[Kerri]

I only got in today, grin. As for being good at this Mac, people, if you only 
knew, I found the learning curve *very difficult as I used PC since 1989 when I 
was about 14 (it was dos of course) My first experience with Apple was with an 
Apple 2 E in 1985 or so. 
On 2013-01-11, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Well, a warm welcome to you as well. :) I haven't seen you on here
> much, so you must be getting along pretty well, or not using the Mac
> very much. 
> 
> On 1/11/13, Kerri  wrote:
>> Hi, all.
>> 
>> I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun
>> using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June.
>> I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada.
>> On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
>>> list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
>>> import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
>>> have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
>>> along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
>>> a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
>>> totally unuseable, in my opinion.
>>> 
>>> On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan  wrote:
 I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so
 thought I
 would say hi to the list.
 
 I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to
 learn
 it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in.
 The
 fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all
 honesty
 did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using
 OS10,
 Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
 headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos
 and
 then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work
 hard
 to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
 wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the
 Mac
 is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for
 quite a
 while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
 wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
 machine I use.
 
 I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as
 possible.
 The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I
 like
 to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge
 to
 help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
 favours.
 
 I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical
 side
 of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
 accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and
 using
 Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band
 in
 to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
 creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always
 greatly
 appreciated.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
 
 Kind regards,
 Danny Noonan.
 
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Re: new member and introduction

[Ray Foret Jr]

Welcome Kerri,  Ray here.  Seems we're getting quite a lot of new faces here:  
and, so far as I am concerned, that's nothing but good.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Kerri  wrote:

> Hi, all. 
> 
> I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun 
> using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June. 
> I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada. 
> On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
>> list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
>> import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
>> have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
>> along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
>> a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
>> totally unuseable, in my opinion.
>> 
>> On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan  wrote:
>>> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought I
>>> would say hi to the list.
>>> 
>>> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn
>>> it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The
>>> fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all honesty
>>> did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10,
>>> Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
>>> headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and
>>> then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard
>>> to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
>>> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac
>>> is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite a
>>> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
>>> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
>>> machine I use.
>>> 
>>> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as possible.
>>> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like
>>> to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to
>>> help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
>>> favours.
>>> 
>>> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical side
>>> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
>>> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using
>>> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in
>>> to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
>>> creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly
>>> appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Danny Noonan.
>>> 
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Re: new member and introduction

[Ray Foret Jr]

Funny you should bring up the Apple II E!  I have fond memories of that thing.  
In my seinior year in highschool-we're talking 1987-that's what I used.  Did 
you ever get your hands on an app called "Braille Edit Express"?  Now, that was 
one nice little app.  Sure wish they'd bring that one in to Voice Over.  
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Kerri  wrote:

> I only got in today, grin. As for being good at this Mac, people, if you only 
> knew, I found the learning curve *very difficult as I used PC since 1989 when 
> I was about 14 (it was dos of course) My first experience with Apple was with 
> an Apple 2 E in 1985 or so. 
> On 2013-01-11, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Well, a warm welcome to you as well. :) I haven't seen you on here
>> much, so you must be getting along pretty well, or not using the Mac
>> very much. 
>> 
>> On 1/11/13, Kerri  wrote:
>>> Hi, all.
>>> 
>>> I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun
>>> using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June.
>>> I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada.
>>> On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
 list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
 import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
 have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
 along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
 a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
 totally unuseable, in my opinion.
 
 On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan  wrote:
> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so
> thought I
> would say hi to the list.
> 
> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to
> learn
> it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in.
> The
> fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all
> honesty
> did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using
> OS10,
> Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
> headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos
> and
> then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work
> hard
> to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the
> Mac
> is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for
> quite a
> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
> machine I use.
> 
> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as
> possible.
> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I
> like
> to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge
> to
> help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
> favours.
> 
> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical
> side
> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and
> using
> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band
> in
> to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
> creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always
> greatly
> appreciated.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Danny Noonan.
> 
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chat client

[Kerri]

Hi, Danny, I got approved today too but unlike yo I'm still stuck using 
wretched windows. I use talking communities chat software as I'm a computer 
instructor and due to a a java issue, I have to use windows. 
On 2013-01-11, at 6:38 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:

> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought I 
> would say hi to the list.
> 
> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn it 
> properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The fact 
> that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all honesty did 
> help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10, Lion 
> and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal headaches 
> at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and then 
> windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard to 
> recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the 
> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac is 
> becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite a 
> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and 
> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different machine 
> I use.
> 
> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as possible. 
> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like to 
> share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to help 
> me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the favours.
> 
> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical side 
> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully 
> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using 
> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in to 
> anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music creation 
> apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly 
> appreciated. 
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Danny Noonan.
> 
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Re: new member and introduction

[Danny Noonan]

Except for the fact that I was 14 in 88, that exactly mirrors my experience to 
the letter. 

Danny. 

Sent from my phone

On 12/01/2013, at 3:28 PM, Kerri  wrote:

> I only got in today, grin. As for being good at this Mac, people, if you only 
> knew, I found the learning curve *very difficult as I used PC since 1989 when 
> I was about 14 (it was dos of course) My first experience with Apple was with 
> an Apple 2 E in 1985 or so. 
> On 2013-01-11, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Well, a warm welcome to you as well. :) I haven't seen you on here
>> much, so you must be getting along pretty well, or not using the Mac
>> very much. 
>> 
>> On 1/11/13, Kerri  wrote:
>>> Hi, all.
>>> 
>>> I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun
>>> using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June.
>>> I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada.
>>> On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
 list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
 import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
 have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
 along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
 a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
 totally unuseable, in my opinion.
 
 On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan  wrote:
> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so
> thought I
> would say hi to the list.
> 
> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to
> learn
> it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in.
> The
> fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all
> honesty
> did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using
> OS10,
> Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
> headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos
> and
> then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work
> hard
> to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the
> Mac
> is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for
> quite a
> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
> machine I use.
> 
> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as
> possible.
> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I
> like
> to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge
> to
> help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
> favours.
> 
> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical
> side
> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and
> using
> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band
> in
> to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
> creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always
> greatly
> appreciated.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Danny Noonan.
> 
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Re: new member and introduction

[Kerri]

small world. 

Sent from my iPhone.
On 2013-01-11, at 8:39 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:

> Except for the fact that I was 14 in 88, that exactly mirrors my experience 
> to the letter. 
> 
> Danny. 
> 
> Sent from my phone
> 
> On 12/01/2013, at 3:28 PM, Kerri  wrote:
> 
>> I only got in today, grin. As for being good at this Mac, people, if you 
>> only knew, I found the learning curve *very difficult as I used PC since 
>> 1989 when I was about 14 (it was dos of course) My first experience with 
>> Apple was with an Apple 2 E in 1985 or so. 
>> On 2013-01-11, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, a warm welcome to you as well. :) I haven't seen you on here
>>> much, so you must be getting along pretty well, or not using the Mac
>>> very much. 
>>> 
>>> On 1/11/13, Kerri  wrote:
 Hi, all.
 
 I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun
 using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June.
 I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada.
 On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
> list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
> import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
> have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
> along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
> a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
> totally unuseable, in my opinion.
> 
> On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan  wrote:
>> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so
>> thought I
>> would say hi to the list.
>> 
>> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to
>> learn
>> it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in.
>> The
>> fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all
>> honesty
>> did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using
>> OS10,
>> Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
>> headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos
>> and
>> then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work
>> hard
>> to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
>> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the
>> Mac
>> is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for
>> quite a
>> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
>> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
>> machine I use.
>> 
>> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as
>> possible.
>> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I
>> like
>> to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge
>> to
>> help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
>> favours.
>> 
>> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical
>> side
>> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
>> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and
>> using
>> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band
>> in
>> to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
>> creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always
>> greatly
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Danny Noonan.
>> 
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how we became apple users

[Kerri]

No, I didn't get my hands on the braille app but I did like that thing, hated 
going pc after they dragged me away from the E. Okay, I'm stubborn.
On 2013-01-11, at 8:32 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Funny you should bring up the Apple II E!  I have fond memories of that 
> thing.  In my seinior year in highschool-we're talking 1987-that's what I 
> used.  Did you ever get your hands on an app called "Braille Edit Express"?  
> Now, that was one nice little app.  Sure wish they'd bring that one in to 
> Voice Over.  
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Kerri  wrote:
> 
>> I only got in today, grin. As for being good at this Mac, people, if you 
>> only knew, I found the learning curve *very difficult as I used PC since 
>> 1989 when I was about 14 (it was dos of course) My first experience with 
>> Apple was with an Apple 2 E in 1985 or so. 
>> On 2013-01-11, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, a warm welcome to you as well. :) I haven't seen you on here
>>> much, so you must be getting along pretty well, or not using the Mac
>>> very much. 
>>> 
>>> On 1/11/13, Kerri  wrote:
 Hi, all.
 
 I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun
 using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June.
 I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada.
 On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
> list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
> import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
> have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
> along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
> a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
> totally unuseable, in my opinion.
> 
> On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan  wrote:
>> I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so
>> thought I
>> would say hi to the list.
>> 
>> I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to
>> learn
>> it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in.
>> The
>> fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all
>> honesty
>> did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using
>> OS10,
>> Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
>> headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos
>> and
>> then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work
>> hard
>> to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
>> wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the
>> Mac
>> is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for
>> quite a
>> while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
>> wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
>> machine I use.
>> 
>> I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as
>> possible.
>> The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I
>> like
>> to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge
>> to
>> help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
>> favours.
>> 
>> I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical
>> side
>> of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
>> accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and
>> using
>> Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band
>> in
>> to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
>> creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always
>> greatly
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Danny Noonan.
>> 
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