Completing PDFs.

[Emilio Hernandez]

Hello everyone,

I know PDFs has been a long discussion on this list.
I also know no clear method of interacting or reading PDFs has been found. 
(Outside of the alternative tools).
Does a comparable method exist that allows one to complete or fill-in PDF files?
It seems that PDFs are becoming more and more the norm of document delivery.

Thank you for all of your wonderful help guys.

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why "unread button" in mail?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
Just a quick question. In mail, why must vo say "unread button" for unread 
messages? Why not ismply "unread"? Where is there a button, and is there any 
way to change this?


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Re: reading PDFs?

[Mary Scott]

How do I get Stanza?  Mel  
On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:52 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Hi Ricardo,
> 
> I think Stanza is an improvement over Preview from the limited experience 
> I've had with Stanza before writing this message.
> 
> Les
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:54 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I use Stanza to read PDFs
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have now tried two pdf files with the mac's default pdf reader, and it 
>>> was painful. Vo couldn't properly interact with the text (I had no arrow 
>>> key reading), and vo-a reads as though words are cut at random places or 
>>> skipped entirely. I was hoping textedit could help, but no luck. What app 
>>> do people prefer for easily and fully reading pdfs on the mac? I'd rather a 
>>> free solution if at all possible. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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>>> 
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Re: materials for the mac

[Mary Scott]

Wow!  This is the best list I have seen.  I have been wanting this list so 
much.  Thank you.  Mel  
On Aug 15, 2012, at 10:14 PM, "Laura ann Grymes, LMT" 
 wrote:

> Voice over help
> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.7/English.lproj/index.html
> 
> Switch 101 apple
> http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/
> 
> David woodbrige  has done some great pod cast on Lion and Mountain Lion.
> Apple and other accessible technology pod cast
> Awesome pod cast found in iTunes.
> He also has pod cast on apple vis and was recently on Dr. Robert Carter's 
> Tech Doctor Pod cast.
> 
> 
> Earl harris at Triumph Technology has a workbook and tutorial for mac lion. 
> $75 on CD also comes in Braille
> http://www.attriumph.com
> 
> Some members here on the list offer tutoring and instruction.
> 
> 
> Apple Vis pod cast is a great resource
> great reviews, pod cast and help
> http://www.applevis.com/apps
> 
> Serotalk podcast is excellent to learn and keep up with technology.
> www.serotalk.com
> They also have triple click home and its wonderful for info on apple 
> The host on both pod cast do a great job
> http://tripleclickhome.com
> 
> 
> The Tech Doctor Pod cast is also very very good and great to learn and keep 
> up with apple and technology.
> Dr. Robert Carter is the host and does a fabulous job.
> http://www.dr-carter.com
> 
> apple key board short cuts lion
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343
> 
> Hope some of these links help you.
> I recently changed to all apple products and am very very please.
> way less crashing and so much more stable. this list is a wonderful resource 
> full of people willing and ready to help and answer questions.
> I have had a learning curve but was totally just thrown into learning because 
> my windows machines died.
> 
> Take control has Ebooks on Lion and Mountain Lion and other aspects of apple.
> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com
> 
> 
> There is a pod cast called mac for the blind that looks like it has good 
> tutorials as well that I have downloaded and will be listening to.
> 
> 
> 
> Hope some of the above info helps.
> There are many more great pod cast and resources.
> Hope this helps you get started.
> Oh and you may be able to search the archives of this list for more resources 
> and info.
> 
> Laura Ann 
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Re: Completing PDFs.

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Emilio. 

Well, I was hoping that when Mountain lion came out, that the new update of PDF 
pan pro would work. I just tested it. I can get it to read PDFs just fine, but 
they haven't fixed the editing part for voice over. I still have it on my 
computer. Since I had bought it, I just left it there, hoping that one of these 
days, the developer would fix it. I contacted the developer about it, but so 
far no luck.
Regards
GG, who still hates PDF files

On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Emilio Hernandez  
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I know PDFs has been a long discussion on this list.
> I also know no clear method of interacting or reading PDFs has been found. 
> (Outside of the alternative tools).
> Does a comparable method exist that allows one to complete or fill-in PDF 
> files?
> It seems that PDFs are becoming more and more the norm of document delivery.
> 
> Thank you for all of your wonderful help guys.
> 
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Re: reading PDFs?

[Teresa Cochran]

I was just going to say that Stanza is kind of hard to come by these days. I'll 
see what I can do.

Teresa
On Aug 16, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Mary Scott  wrote:

> How do I get Stanza?  Mel  
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:52 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ricardo,
>> 
>> I think Stanza is an improvement over Preview from the limited experience 
>> I've had with Stanza before writing this message.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:54 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I use Stanza to read PDFs
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 I have now tried two pdf files with the mac's default pdf reader, and it 
 was painful. Vo couldn't properly interact with the text (I had no arrow 
 key reading), and vo-a reads as though words are cut at random places or 
 skipped entirely. I was hoping textedit could help, but no luck. What app 
 do people prefer for easily and fully reading pdfs on the mac? I'd rather 
 a free solution if at all possible. Thanks.
 
 
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getting vo to announce if an edit field is multi-line?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
Is there a way to get vo to specify if an edit field is multi-line? I know it's 
a small thing, but I'd love to be able to know if pressing enter in an edit 
field will submit my content or insert a new line. It is one thing nvda does 
that I miss on the mac.


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Is there a trackpad command for going back a page in Safari?

[Kevin Mattingly]

If there is a command or if anyone has a suggestion how to set one up using the 
trackpad, I'd sure appreciate you sharing.

Kev

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Re: Customising favourites bar in Mountain Lion

[Tim Kilburn]

Thanks Andrew for your response.  The only thing I'd add is that the "Click" is 
not anything you hear out of your speakers, there is just sort of a click as 
you press firmly down on the Trackpad so that you know you have the button 
pressed.  Sometimes you'll hear a minor click sound but it's more of a feeling 
thing.  It's the same on the Magic Trackpad as on a laptop Trackpad.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-16, at 12:27 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

> Hi Iona,
> 
> I understand from Tim's post that the click happens only on magic trackpad. 
> In my case, I have accomplished the task on a macbook air with touch pad. I 
> had to turn the trackpad commander off with vo+left turn of the rotor and 
> then I would position the mouse with vo+command+f5 on the box I want to 
> remove, confirm my mouse position with vo+f5, and then would press with one 
> finger my trackpad somewhere at the top and while maintaining pressure would 
> slide my finger down. I then would hear a little puff sound as if you were 
> blowing a speck of dust away, and that would confirm to me that the item was 
> removed.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Andrew
> On 15 Aug 2012, at 21:39, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
>> Hi again,
>> 
>> Sorry but I get no click  pressing down on the trackpad with commander 
>> turned on or off. DOes the click always happen or only on certain items?
>> 
>> Do you click anywhere on the trackpad? A  bit stumped.
>> 
>> THanks for all your help!
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>> stores.
>> 
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> You shouldn't need to tur the commander off although I usually have it off 
>>> as I accidentally make it do things with my wrists.  For the Magic 
>>> Trackpad, simply push on the Trackpad itself and you'll notice a click.  
>>> Make sure it is pressed down when dragging.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-15, at 10:54 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>>> 
 HOw do you use the trackpad to do this? 
 DO you have to turn trackpad commander off? I have tha majic trackpad no 
 buttons.
 
 Best,
 
 Ioana
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
 On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
 wrote:
 
> Dear tim,
> 
> It's amazing: it works! Just removed two items.
> Thank you.
> 
> Andrew
> On 15 Aug 2012, at 16:37, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It means that VO's Drag and Drop will not work on that kind of item.  To 
>> remove things, I've just routed my mouse to the location by pressing 
>> VO-cmd-f5 then using the Trackpad to press down and drag my finger to 
>> the bottom of the Trackpad then letting go.  This effectively removes 
>> the item from the Favourites bar.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-15, at 9:18 AM, Andrew Lamanche  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I've been trying to customise my favourites bar in ML. I've succeeded 
>>> in dragging and dropping one of my mailboxes there but when trying to 
>>> remove "send" mailbox and one other mailbox which I had dragged into it 
>>> previously under Lion, I've received the following error message: "Mac 
>>> & Voiceover  is not draggable.  VoiceOver will not drag item that has 
>>> press action.". Does anyone know what it means?
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Is there a trackpad command for going back a page in Safari?

[Matthew Campbell]

Have you tried a 2 finger scrub?
On 2012-08-16, at 10:44 AM, Kevin Mattingly  wrote:

> If there is a command or if anyone has a suggestion how to set one up using 
> the trackpad, I'd sure appreciate you sharing.
> 
> Kev
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Re: Is there a trackpad command for going back a page in Safari?

[Kevin Mattingly]

That is the same as using the escape key. I tried that one already.

Kev
On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Matthew Campbell  
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> Have you tried a 2 finger scrub?
> On 2012-08-16, at 10:44 AM, Kevin Mattingly  wrote:
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>> the trackpad, I'd sure appreciate you sharing.
>> 
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Re: Completing PDFs.

[Chris Moore]

Sadly, it is not possible to complete PDF files on iOS or Mac when using a 
screen reader.  It is possible to do it with Adobe Reader if you are not a 
screen reader user, and when I try to open PDF forms within preview/iBooks, I 
am informed I need to upgrade to the latest version of Adobe Reader.  One of 
the new features listed for Mountain Lion was the ability to complete PDF 
forms, so what happened?

It is about time Adobe made Reader accessible for both the Mac and iOS, or 
Apple should beef up PDF support in iBooks and Preview.

The best way to make a PDF accessible is to publish it using HTML 5 and CSS 3.  
The most accessible PDF is one someone can read, than not being able to read at 
all.

Chris 
On 16 Aug 2012, at 14:05, Emilio Hernandez  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I know PDFs has been a long discussion on this list.
> I also know no clear method of interacting or reading PDFs has been found. 
> (Outside of the alternative tools).
> Does a comparable method exist that allows one to complete or fill-in PDF 
> files?
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> 
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Re: Customising favourites bar in Mountain Lion

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

You will hear a click if your using trackpad commander and Voiceover sound FX 
is turned on.  That might be what he was referring to.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Thanks Andrew for your response.  The only thing I'd add is that the "Click" 
> is not anything you hear out of your speakers, there is just sort of a click 
> as you press firmly down on the Trackpad so that you know you have the button 
> pressed.  Sometimes you'll hear a minor click sound but it's more of a 
> feeling thing.  It's the same on the Magic Trackpad as on a laptop Trackpad.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-08-16, at 12:27 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Iona,
>> 
>> I understand from Tim's post that the click happens only on magic trackpad. 
>> In my case, I have accomplished the task on a macbook air with touch pad. I 
>> had to turn the trackpad commander off with vo+left turn of the rotor and 
>> then I would position the mouse with vo+command+f5 on the box I want to 
>> remove, confirm my mouse position with vo+f5, and then would press with one 
>> finger my trackpad somewhere at the top and while maintaining pressure would 
>> slide my finger down. I then would hear a little puff sound as if you were 
>> blowing a speck of dust away, and that would confirm to me that the item was 
>> removed.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> On 15 Aug 2012, at 21:39, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi again,
>>> 
>>> Sorry but I get no click  pressing down on the trackpad with commander 
>>> turned on or off. DOes the click always happen or only on certain items?
>>> 
>>> Do you click anywhere on the trackpad? A  bit stumped.
>>> 
>>> THanks for all your help!
>>> 
>>> Ioana
>>> 
>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>>> stores.
>>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 You shouldn't need to tur the commander off although I usually have it off 
 as I accidentally make it do things with my wrists.  For the Magic 
 Trackpad, simply push on the Trackpad itself and you'll notice a click.  
 Make sure it is pressed down when dragging.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-15, at 10:54 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
 
> HOw do you use the trackpad to do this? 
> DO you have to turn trackpad commander off? I have tha majic trackpad no 
> buttons.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ioana
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most 
> online stores.
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
> wrote:
> 
>> Dear tim,
>> 
>> It's amazing: it works! Just removed two items.
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> On 15 Aug 2012, at 16:37, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It means that VO's Drag and Drop will not work on that kind of item.  
>>> To remove things, I've just routed my mouse to the location by pressing 
>>> VO-cmd-f5 then using the Trackpad to press down and drag my finger to 
>>> the bottom of the Trackpad then letting go.  This effectively removes 
>>> the item from the Favourites bar.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-15, at 9:18 AM, Andrew Lamanche  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I've been trying to customise my favourites bar in ML. I've succeeded 
 in dragging and dropping one of my mailboxes there but when trying to 
 remove "send" mailbox and one other mailbox which I had dragged into 
 it previously under Lion, I've received the following error message: 
 "Mac & Voiceover  is not draggable.  VoiceOver will not drag item that 
 has press action.". Does anyone know what it means?
 
 Thanks a lot.
 
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Re: Is there a trackpad command for going back a page in Safari?

[Mike Arrigo]

You could probably set one up but there's really no reason to, just 
press command left bracket on the keyboard.

Original message:
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using the trackpad, I'd sure appreciate you sharing.



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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Christine Grassman]

Ricardo, thank you for telling me how to empty caches. There was no way to tell 
whether it did so -- it said "empty caches" when I hit command option E, but 
that was it: no choices, check boxes, etc. Is this what is supposed to occur?
Also, I did try resetting Safari the other night when I initially reported the 
issues with the banking site.  However, I still cannot locate anything 
resembling cookies in the Safari security tab. 
Christine
On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> First thing, open Safari and press command comma to open preferences.  in the 
> toolbar, select the advanced tab, and check Show Develop menu in menu bar.  
> Now, to empty the cash, press command option E.
> 
> To clear cookies.  Go back into Safari preferences and choose security from 
> the toolbar.  You will find the option in there.
> 
> You will also want to take a look in the Safari menu and select reset Safari. 
>  There is a bunch of options in here too.
> 
> hth.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
>> But of course. :) Still haven't found how to empty the darned cache or clear 
>> cookies, though. Nowhere cn I locate this.
>> Christine
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Christine, I'm probably being insulting, and I don't mean to, but have you 
>>> tried hitting "refresh," command R, in here somewhere?  Refreshing a page 
>>> may not be a wise thing to do when sending a form, but it may clear away 
>>> any auto-fill or other hold-overs from cache.
>>> 
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Re: Is there a trackpad command for going back a page in Safari?

[Kevin Mattingly]

I'm lazy Mike.

Kev
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> command left bracket on the keyboard.
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>> the trackpad, I'd sure appreciate you sharing.
> 
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RSS Question

[Mary Scott]

I have attempted to subscribe to a podcast that says I need a RSS Reader.  I 
followed the link to the AP store but I don't have a clue what is a good one to 
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Re: RSS Question

[Scott Rumery]

Newsrack is what I use but it is not free.  I believe that it costs $7.99 and 
in my opinion it is worth it.

Scott
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Blogging platforms, which is accessible?

[Bill Holton]

Hi.

I need to put up a blog type site where basically I will upload two images
every week so I can show people I drect there sample pages for the magazine
I work for.  Can someone suggest a VO-friendly platform or one that
intrigrates well with Pges or another VO accessible editor?

 

 

 

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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Ricardo Walker]

Yup.

Thats all you should here after pressing command option E.  About cookies, that 
is my fault.  I gave you some bad information.  In safari preferences, go to 
privacy, not security.  There you will find the option to delete cookies.

hth

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On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Christine Grassman  
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> Ricardo, thank you for telling me how to empty caches. There was no way to 
> tell whether it did so -- it said "empty caches" when I hit command option E, 
> but that was it: no choices, check boxes, etc. Is this what is supposed to 
> occur?
> Also, I did try resetting Safari the other night when I initially reported 
> the issues with the banking site.  However, I still cannot locate anything 
> resembling cookies in the Safari security tab. 
> Christine
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> First thing, open Safari and press command comma to open preferences.  in 
>> the toolbar, select the advanced tab, and check Show Develop menu in menu 
>> bar.  Now, to empty the cash, press command option E.
>> 
>> To clear cookies.  Go back into Safari preferences and choose security from 
>> the toolbar.  You will find the option in there.
>> 
>> You will also want to take a look in the Safari menu and select reset 
>> Safari.  There is a bunch of options in here too.
>> 
>> hth.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> But of course. :) Still haven't found how to empty the darned cache or 
>>> clear cookies, though. Nowhere cn I locate this.
>>> Christine
>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Christine, I'm probably being insulting, and I don't mean to, but have you 
 tried hitting "refresh," command R, in here somewhere?  Refreshing a page 
 may not be a wise thing to do when sending a form, but it may clear away 
 any auto-fill or other hold-overs from cache.
 
 
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Christine Grassman]

I officially surrender -- after updating the Java certificate, emptying caches, 
clearing cookies, resetting Safari, and clearing all WEb site data, my banking 
site will not allow me to stay on and do anything after successfully logging 
in, and sometimes will not even allow me to do that. Seems I need to get Apple 
in on this one. *Sigh*.
Christine
On Aug 16, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Yup.
> 
> Thats all you should here after pressing command option E.  About cookies, 
> that is my fault.  I gave you some bad information.  In safari preferences, 
> go to privacy, not security.  There you will find the option to delete 
> cookies.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
>> Ricardo, thank you for telling me how to empty caches. There was no way to 
>> tell whether it did so -- it said "empty caches" when I hit command option 
>> E, but that was it: no choices, check boxes, etc. Is this what is supposed 
>> to occur?
>> Also, I did try resetting Safari the other night when I initially reported 
>> the issues with the banking site.  However, I still cannot locate anything 
>> resembling cookies in the Safari security tab. 
>> Christine
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> First thing, open Safari and press command comma to open preferences.  in 
>>> the toolbar, select the advanced tab, and check Show Develop menu in menu 
>>> bar.  Now, to empty the cash, press command option E.
>>> 
>>> To clear cookies.  Go back into Safari preferences and choose security from 
>>> the toolbar.  You will find the option in there.
>>> 
>>> You will also want to take a look in the Safari menu and select reset 
>>> Safari.  There is a bunch of options in here too.
>>> 
>>> hth.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 But of course. :) Still haven't found how to empty the darned cache or 
 clear cookies, though. Nowhere cn I locate this.
 Christine
 On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter 
  wrote:
 
> Christine, I'm probably being insulting, and I don't mean to, but have 
> you tried hitting "refresh," command R, in here somewhere?  Refreshing a 
> page may not be a wise thing to do when sending a form, but it may clear 
> away any auto-fill or other hold-overs from cache.
> 
> 
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Re: Blogging platforms, which is accessible?

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi Bill I have used posterous.com and squarespace.com 

Posterous is fairly basic but it couldn't be easier to add content.  it is 
free. 
Squarespace is a much more powerful hosting and content management system but 
also very accessible. My site and podcast at iBlindTech.com is all done with 
squarespace 

Squarespace has moved from version 5 to version 6 recently and my site still on 
ver 5. I have not tried ver 6 yet so don't know about the accessibility of this 

Hope this helps


Garth 

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Search for iBlindTech in iTunes or your favourite pod catcher to subscribe to 
the iBlindTech Democast.

Follow me on twitter @BlindTechMusing or @iBlindTech for podcast info.

Send email to iblindt...@gmail.com

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> Hi.
> I need to put up a blog type site where basically I will upload two images 
> every week so I can show people I drect there sample pages for the magazine I 
> work for.  Can someone suggest a VO-friendly platform or one that intrigrates 
> well with Pges or another VO accessible editor?
>  
>  
>  
> BILL HOLTON
> Email:   b...@bholton.com
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Re: reading PDFs?

[Esther]

Hi Teresa and Mary,
You can get the information on where to download Stanza for the Mac by
going to the Mail Archive site for either this list or the Mac-access
list and typing into the search text box:
from:Esther stanza
then press Return.  The first link returned in either instance has a
post containing the download information. Here's the link that came up
for this list. The post contains detailed instructions on how to
download.
Re: stanza for the Mac.
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/msg63550.html

The Mac-access list link was a long and detailed discussion of ePub
reading options on the Mac, so I won't paste it in here. But it did
give links to two different working download URLs for the Mac version
of Stanza, so I'll paste them in here:
• Stanza desktop version for the Mac -- CNET download page:
http://download.cnet.com/Stanza/3000-2056_4-198177.html
• Stanza desktop version for the Mac -- Softonic download page:
http://stanza.en.softonic.com/mac

The reason the desktop version of Stanza is hard to find is that
Amazon bought Lexacycle, the developers of the Stanza eBook app on the
iPhone, and then closed down the site last November. At one time the
Stanza app on the iOS platform was deemed the major potential
competitor to Amazon's Kindle.  Lexacycle developed the Stanza Desktop
app primarily as a way to convert the diverse eBook formats to the
ePub standard they promoted for their iOS Stanza app, and also as a
way to support direct uploads of eBooks to their iOS app.  They also
added support for reading these other eBook formats in their desktop
app, but it wasn't the primary design purpose.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Aug 16, 3:59 am, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> I was just going to say that Stanza is kind of hard to come by these days. 
> I'll see what I can do.
>
> Teresa
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Mary Scott  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > How do I get Stanza?  Mel
> > On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:52 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>
> >> Hi Ricardo,
>
> >> I think Stanza is an improvement over Preview from the limited experience 
> >> I've had with Stanza before writing this message.
>
> >> Les
> >> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:54 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>
> >>> Hi,
>
> >>> I use Stanza to read PDFs
>
> >>> Ricardo Walker
> >>> rica...@appletothecore.info
> >>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> >>>www.appletothecore.info
>
> >>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
>  Hi all,
>  I have now tried two pdf files with the mac's default pdf reader, and it 
>  was painful. Vo couldn't properly interact with the text (I had no arrow 
>  key reading), and vo-a reads as though words are cut at random places or 
>  skipped entirely. I was hoping textedit could help, but no luck. What 
>  app do people prefer for easily and fully reading pdfs on the mac? I'd 
>  rather a free solution if at all possible. Thanks.
>
>  Have a great day,
>  Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>  mehg...@gmail.com;http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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Re: Is there a trackpad command for going back a page in Safari?

[Chris Blouch]

I thought two finger swipe left went back and right went forward.

CB

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You could probably set one up but there's really no reason to, just 
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using the trackpad, I'd sure appreciate you sharing.



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Re: Is there a trackpad command for going back a page in Safari?

[Kevin Mattingly]

2 finger flick left or right doesnt' move the page to the previous web page. It 
just  shifts the page from left to right.


Kev
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> I thought two finger swipe left went back and right went forward.
> 
> CB
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Re: Is there a trackpad command for going back a page in Safari?

[Chris Blouch]

Hmm. It does on mine. What version of OSX are you running? I'm on 10.7.4 
with Safari 6. On here I went to aol.com, picked some random headlin to 
go to another page and then did a two finger swipe to go back to 
aol.com. I do have mouse tracking following the VO cursor since I think 
the mouse has to be hovering over the browser window for the gesture to 
work.


CB

On 8/16/12 3:51 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

2 finger flick left or right doesnt' move the page to the previous web page. It 
just  shifts the page from left to right.


Kev
On Aug 16, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:


I thought two finger swipe left went back and right went forward.

CB

On 8/16/12 12:30 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

You could probably set one up but there's really no reason to, just press 
command left bracket on the keyboard.
Original message:

If there is a command or if anyone has a suggestion how to set one up using the 
trackpad, I'd sure appreciate you sharing.
Kev
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Messages

[Mary Scott]

I know this has been answered.  Sorry.  I just watched the podcast on Applevis 
about sending messages to IOS devices with the Messages Ap.  It seemed so easy 
but I can't locate the edit box to write a message nor can I find a send 
button.  Do I need to download something to make it work and is there a more 
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Re: RSS Question

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi 

If you are subscribing to a podcast, than I would recommend either Downcast or 
iCatcher. Both are excellent and accessible and are about $2. Downcast seems to 
be the slight favourite but they are both great.


Garth 

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Search for iBlindTech in iTunes or your favourite pod catcher to subscribe to 
the iBlindTech Democast.

Follow me on twitter @BlindTechMusing or @iBlindTech for podcast info.

Send email to iblindt...@gmail.com

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> I have attempted to subscribe to a podcast that says I need a RSS Reader.  I 
> followed the link to the AP store but I don't have a clue what is a good one 
> to download.  Mel 
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Re: Is there a trackpad command for going back a page in Safari?

[Kevin Mattingly]

Darn,

2 finger flick left and 2 finger flick right in safari just interacts or stops 
interaction withthe html.

Kev
On Aug 16, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> Hmm. It does on mine. What version of OSX are you running? I'm on 10.7.4 with 
> Safari 6. On here I went to aol.com, picked some random headlin to go to 
> another page and then did a two finger swipe to go back to aol.com. I do have 
> mouse tracking following the VO cursor since I think the mouse has to be 
> hovering over the browser window for the gesture to work.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 8/16/12 3:51 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>> 2 finger flick left or right doesnt' move the page to the previous web page. 
>> It just  shifts the page from left to right.
>> 
>> 
>> Kev
>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>>> I thought two finger swipe left went back and right went forward.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 8/16/12 12:30 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 You could probably set one up but there's really no reason to, just press 
 command left bracket on the keyboard.
 Original message:
> If there is a command or if anyone has a suggestion how to set one up 
> using the trackpad, I'd sure appreciate you sharing.
> Kev
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Time Key

[Jesus Garcia]

Evening list members the short cut key for checking the time no longer seems
to be working in Mountain Lion does anyone know if that key changed?

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RE: Messages

[Jesus Garcia]

I assume you need to have someone in your contact list before you can send a
message. I can find the send button without any issue, what I have yet to
figure out is when typing a name in to the too edit field which mobile
device is the message going to be sent too. If the individual has more than
one mobile device.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Scott
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Messages

I know this has been answered.  Sorry.  I just watched the podcast on
Applevis about sending messages to IOS devices with the Messages Ap.  It
seemed so easy but I can't locate the edit box to write a message nor can I
find a send button.  Do I need to download something to make it work and is
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Re: Time Key

[Rodney Haynie]

Jesus,
Still works for me in ML. I have the keyboard commander set to Right Option T 
to fire the Apple script for date/time.

Take care.
Rodney

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> to be working in Mountain Lion does anyone know if that key changed?
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RE: Time Key

[Jesus Garcia]

Absolutely correct sir my mistake I forgot about checking the keyboard
commander. thank you.

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Jesus,
Still works for me in ML. I have the keyboard commander set to Right Option
T to fire the Apple script for date/time.

Take care.
Rodney

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> seems to be working in Mountain Lion does anyone know if that key changed?
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Re: Completing PDFs.

[Emilio]

Hey GG,

Yes, that is sad news. I went through the archives to read your post
about PDFPen.
It sounds like such a great app if it would only allow us to edit the
PDFs in question.
It is getting more difficult in some instances to get a sighted person
to help write for me, and it would be cool to just be independent in
this general task.

A guy can dream, can't he? Lol

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Re: reading PDFs?

[Teresa Cochran]

Thank you for taking the time with this, Esther. Unfortunately, I tried those 
two links in the last week, and the downloads are incomplete or corrupt. I hope 
this is a temporary problem. I tried another one from a Google search and it 
was a broken link to the Lexcycle page, which has been down for close to a 
year. It would be great if it could be put in the Mac App Store. apparently, 
Amazon bought LexCycle, and then Stanza fell through the cracks. I'm not even 
sure if it's still being maintained and updated at this point, but I'll 
continue to use it as long as I can. I happened to find an older copy I'd put 
in my dropbox folder and I use this.

Thanks,
Teresa

On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Teresa and Mary,
> You can get the information on where to download Stanza for the Mac by
> going to the Mail Archive site for either this list or the Mac-access
> list and typing into the search text box:
> from:Esther stanza
> then press Return.  The first link returned in either instance has a
> post containing the download information. Here's the link that came up
> for this list. The post contains detailed instructions on how to
> download.
> Re: stanza for the Mac.
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/msg63550.html
> 
> The Mac-access list link was a long and detailed discussion of ePub
> reading options on the Mac, so I won't paste it in here. But it did
> give links to two different working download URLs for the Mac version
> of Stanza, so I'll paste them in here:
> • Stanza desktop version for the Mac -- CNET download page:
> http://download.cnet.com/Stanza/3000-2056_4-198177.html
> • Stanza desktop version for the Mac -- Softonic download page:
> http://stanza.en.softonic.com/mac
> 
> The reason the desktop version of Stanza is hard to find is that
> Amazon bought Lexacycle, the developers of the Stanza eBook app on the
> iPhone, and then closed down the site last November. At one time the
> Stanza app on the iOS platform was deemed the major potential
> competitor to Amazon's Kindle.  Lexacycle developed the Stanza Desktop
> app primarily as a way to convert the diverse eBook formats to the
> ePub standard they promoted for their iOS Stanza app, and also as a
> way to support direct uploads of eBooks to their iOS app.  They also
> added support for reading these other eBook formats in their desktop
> app, but it wasn't the primary design purpose.
> 
> HTH. Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Aug 16, 3:59 am, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> I was just going to say that Stanza is kind of hard to come by these days. 
>> I'll see what I can do.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Mary Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> How do I get Stanza?  Mel
>>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:52 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
 Hi Ricardo,
>> 
 I think Stanza is an improvement over Preview from the limited experience 
 I've had with Stanza before writing this message.
>> 
 Les
 On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:54 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
> Hi,
>> 
> I use Stanza to read PDFs
>> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have now tried two pdf files with the mac's default pdf reader, and it 
>> was painful. Vo couldn't properly interact with the text (I had no arrow 
>> key reading), and vo-a reads as though words are cut at random places or 
>> skipped entirely. I was hoping textedit could help, but no luck. What 
>> app do people prefer for easily and fully reading pdfs on the mac? I'd 
>> rather a free solution if at all possible. Thanks.
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com;http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>> 
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The mac

[Chris]

Hello all I am completely sold on the mac, well just about, thanks to a 
Skype conference with Mr Price, who has yet to join this list, and Mr 
Crack, who is on this list. Keep you posted on when I acquire my first 
and hopefully only mac. Chris.


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Re: Messages

[Chris]

No. Double tap on the text field to make it editable. Write your text, 
then double tap the send button above the p or 0 key depending on what 
keyboard you are using.


On 16/08/2012 21:18, Mary Scott wrote:

I know this has been answered.  Sorry.  I just watched the podcast on Applevis 
about sending messages to IOS devices with the Messages Ap.  It seemed so easy 
but I can't locate the edit box to write a message nor can I find a send 
button.  Do I need to download something to make it work and is there a more 
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Re: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi, there is an easy fix for the problem you're having in Chrome where it loads 
a page and you have to go back to the edit box. Just use Chromevox. Sure, it 
crashes Chrome sometimes with the Nuance voices but it does the job. I would 
use Safari more if SamNet worked for Safari.

Shawn
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Audio Highjack Pro

[Scott Rumery]

Hello everyone,

I would like to know if anyone on the list is good at using Audio Highjack Pro. 
 I have recently purchased it with the intention of using to produce a series 
of Mac and iPhone how to podcasts. Can I use this program to record my voice as 
well as the Voice Over from my computer at the same time, or will I have to 
record them separately and then join them together post production?  I hope 
that I can record both my own voice from my microphone and the system sound at 
the same time.

Does anyone know of any good tutorials for this program?

Thank you,
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Re: Audio Highjack Pro

[Brandon Olivares]

Hello,

Yes, this is possible. You just have to add two sessions, one for your 
microphone, and one for system sound. Hit record on both and you're good to go.

Brandon
On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I would like to know if anyone on the list is good at using Audio Highjack 
> Pro.  I have recently purchased it with the intention of using to produce a 
> series of Mac and iPhone how to podcasts. Can I use this program to record my 
> voice as well as the Voice Over from my computer at the same time, or will I 
> have to record them separately and then join them together post production?  
> I hope that I can record both my own voice from my microphone and the system 
> sound at the same time.
> 
> Does anyone know of any good tutorials for this program?
> 
> Thank you,
> Scott
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Re: Audio Highjack Pro

[Scott Rumery]

That is what I thought, but if I set up two component sessions won't I get two 
separate files?  I guess what I am looking for is a way to record both my 
system sound and my own voice all in one file.  Will I have to just merge the 
two files after I record them?

Scott
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> Hello,
> 
> Yes, this is possible. You just have to add two sessions, one for your 
> microphone, and one for system sound. Hit record on both and you're good to 
> go.
> 
> Brandon
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I would like to know if anyone on the list is good at using Audio Highjack 
>> Pro.  I have recently purchased it with the intention of using to produce a 
>> series of Mac and iPhone how to podcasts. Can I use this program to record 
>> my voice as well as the Voice Over from my computer at the same time, or 
>> will I have to record them separately and then join them together post 
>> production?  I hope that I can record both my own voice from my microphone 
>> and the system sound at the same time.
>> 
>> Does anyone know of any good tutorials for this program?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Scott
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Re: Audio Highjack Pro

[Ray Foret Jr]

Nope.  The System audio file will record both.  You just need a session for 
your microphone and that you can start using command_+G.  You want also a 
system audio session and for that, use command+r.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
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On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:

> That is what I thought, but if I set up two component sessions won't I get 
> two separate files?  I guess what I am looking for is a way to record both my 
> system sound and my own voice all in one file.  Will I have to just merge the 
> two files after I record them?
> 
> Scott
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Yes, this is possible. You just have to add two sessions, one for your 
>> microphone, and one for system sound. Hit record on both and you're good to 
>> go.
>> 
>> Brandon
>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I would like to know if anyone on the list is good at using Audio Highjack 
>>> Pro.  I have recently purchased it with the intention of using to produce a 
>>> series of Mac and iPhone how to podcasts. Can I use this program to record 
>>> my voice as well as the Voice Over from my computer at the same time, or 
>>> will I have to record them separately and then join them together post 
>>> production?  I hope that I can record both my own voice from my microphone 
>>> and the system sound at the same time.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know of any good tutorials for this program?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Scott
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Re: Audio Highjack Pro

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On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Nope.  The System audio file will record both.  You just need a session for 
> your microphone and that you can start using command_+G.  You want also a 
> system audio session and for that, use command+r.
> 
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> On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> 
>> That is what I thought, but if I set up two component sessions won't I get 
>> two separate files?  I guess what I am looking for is a way to record both 
>> my system sound and my own voice all in one file.  Will I have to just merge 
>> the two files after I record them?
>> 
>> Scott
>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Brandon Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Yes, this is possible. You just have to add two sessions, one for your 
>>> microphone, and one for system sound. Hit record on both and you're good to 
>>> go.
>>> 
>>> Brandon
>>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I would like to know if anyone on the list is good at using Audio Highjack 
 Pro.  I have recently purchased it with the intention of using to produce 
 a series of Mac and iPhone how to podcasts. Can I use this program to 
 record my voice as well as the Voice Over from my computer at the same 
 time, or will I have to record them separately and then join them together 
 post production?  I hope that I can record both my own voice from my 
 microphone and the system sound at the same time.
 
 Does anyone know of any good tutorials for this program?
 
 Thank you,
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Re: Audio Highjack Pro

[Brandon Olivares]

Hello,

I believe in Audio Hijack Pro, there is an effect for an application mixing. I 
can't remember what it's called, but it's near the top of the effects menu. So 
you can just create one session, and add the other applications you need.
On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:

> That is what I thought, but if I set up two component sessions won't I get 
> two separate files?  I guess what I am looking for is a way to record both my 
> system sound and my own voice all in one file.  Will I have to just merge the 
> two files after I record them?
> 
> Scott
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Yes, this is possible. You just have to add two sessions, one for your 
>> microphone, and one for system sound. Hit record on both and you're good to 
>> go.
>> 
>> Brandon
>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I would like to know if anyone on the list is good at using Audio Highjack 
>>> Pro.  I have recently purchased it with the intention of using to produce a 
>>> series of Mac and iPhone how to podcasts. Can I use this program to record 
>>> my voice as well as the Voice Over from my computer at the same time, or 
>>> will I have to record them separately and then join them together post 
>>> production?  I hope that I can record both my own voice from my microphone 
>>> and the system sound at the same time.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know of any good tutorials for this program?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Scott
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Re: Safari questions with ML

[Steve Holmes]

I see that no-one has so far discussed tables with you.  While interacting 
within a table in HTML content, use the VO-Arrow keys to move around in the 
table.  So to move up and down, hold down the VO keys and use up and down 
arrows.  That should move you down in the same column and not push back to the 
beginning of the row or any of that.  Keep in mind that as you get to the 
bottom of a column, pressing VO-down arrow will wrap you back to the top row 
and I think, advances you to the next column.  To get out of the table, Just 
get to the upper left or lower right corner of the table and then use normal 
VO-left or VO-right to move you on outside the table.  For me, tables 
automatically interact when you land on them.  I can't remember if that is 
always the case, default or if I set an option; sorry.

Hope this helps.

On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> In a web page command option F takes you directly to google search
> from what I can tell in ML Command L and this previous command serve
> the same exact function
> 
> On Aug 8, 12:20 am, Veronica Elsea 
> wrote:
>> Oh how nice. I didn't realize that one could also search with command-L.
>> So when would one use Command-F? And where would this command look for
>> things? Thanks so much.
>> 
>> Veronica
>> 
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>> athttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club 
>> at:http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>  Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>> 
>> On 8/7/2012 9:15 PM, Rachel Feinberg wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Veronica,
>> 
>>> For the keystroke to quickly go to the address bar where you can either 
>>> google search, or type in a URL is command+l.
>>> I'll wait, (along with you), for someone to explain tables, since i'm still 
>>> new to this as well.
>>> Rachel
>>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:40 PM, Veronica Elsea  
>>> wrote:
>> 
 Hi everyone!
 First, I thought I'd respond to the discussion on tables. The one I 
 encounter is on my bank's web site. I can find the table and 
 VO-right-arrow through each item. When I'm on the first column of a row, 
 the VO-R command also reads the whole row to me. I can't figure out how to 
 bop straight down a column though. But at least the information is all 
 there.
 And I so appreciate those of you who reported the apparent bug here. I was 
 beginning to think I was losing my mind. I just can't seem to quite figure 
 out where I land and when I need to interact and when I don't. I don't 
 remember having this issue in Lion but granted, I only used it a little 
 bit because I was waiting for Mountain Lion before really getting going on 
 this Macbook.
 The other thing I've apparently lost track of is how to quickly do a 
 google search. I have figured out that if I open Safari and just stay on 
 the tool bar, I can type a url or a search term. I then VO-right-arrow to 
 the html content area where I interact. But it sure seemed to me that 
 there was a keystroke or something that went easily into that google 
 search. But I just can't find it anywhere.
 But boy I'd sure love a good tutorial and demo of really using Safari in 
 ML. I did create an activity which turns on Quick Nav when I go into 
 Safari, and I was afraid that this was what was messing up my browsing 
 experience.
 So I will await further news and see how far I get in the meantime. But 
 thanks so much to all of you who are so on top of all of this stuff. I 
 look forward to doing my part to pay forward. In the meantime, I'm open to 
 all Safari suggestions. Thanks.
>> 
 Veronica
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Re: Two more dumb Safari questions

[Steve Holmes]

I just checked my instance of Safari where I have two tabs open but only one 
window.  Pressing Ctrl-Tab does rotor me through the open tabs.  Pressing VO-F2 
twice opened the window chooser where only one window is showing.  So I think 
for this purpose, use Ctrl-Tab to move between open tabs in Safari.

I'm running latest Safari on Mountain Lion.

On Aug 10, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> When I have multiple tabs open I find that I like to navigate through them by 
> stopping to interact with the HTML area of the current tab and then vo left 
> arrow right arrow to the other tabs. Not quite a list of tabs but not bad 
> either.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
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> On Aug 4, 2012, at 11:12 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Not really.  Opening up a window takes up far more system resources than 
>> opening a new tab.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Aug 4, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> In which case, why not just set up Safari to open links in new windows 
>>> rather than tabs?  Same difference right, if you use VO+F2 to move between 
>>> them?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 pressing VO F2 twice will bring up the windows chooser which will list all 
 your open tabs.
 
 
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 4, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:
 
> Hi.
> Wasn't there a command you could use to jump from open tab to open tab?  
> I thought it was CTRL-tab, but that doesn't seem to be working.
> Also, thought  there is a command that will cause VO to list all open 
> tabs, or am I mistaken?
> Second,  does anyone have a clearer explanation or a podcast link that 
> does a better job ofthan the VO documentation  explaing the difference 
> between DOM navigation and group navigation?
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Re: Safari questions with ML

[Hank Smith]

if u have multiple tables with colums do you have to vo left and vo 
wrote to go to colums with in a table?

not sure if this makes any sense.
Hank
On 8/16/2012 10:48 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

I see that no-one has so far discussed tables with you.  While interacting 
within a table in HTML content, use the VO-Arrow keys to move around in the 
table.  So to move up and down, hold down the VO keys and use up and down 
arrows.  That should move you down in the same column and not push back to the 
beginning of the row or any of that.  Keep in mind that as you get to the 
bottom of a column, pressing VO-down arrow will wrap you back to the top row 
and I think, advances you to the next column.  To get out of the table, Just 
get to the upper left or lower right corner of the table and then use normal 
VO-left or VO-right to move you on outside the table.  For me, tables 
automatically interact when you land on them.  I can't remember if that is 
always the case, default or if I set an option; sorry.

Hope this helps.

On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:


In a web page command option F takes you directly to google search
from what I can tell in ML Command L and this previous command serve
the same exact function

On Aug 8, 12:20 am, Veronica Elsea 
wrote:

Oh how nice. I didn't realize that one could also search with command-L.
So when would one use Command-F? And where would this command look for
things? Thanks so much.

Veronica

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Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club 
at:http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
  Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407

On 8/7/2012 9:15 PM, Rachel Feinberg wrote:








Hi Veronica,
For the keystroke to quickly go to the address bar where you can either google 
search, or type in a URL is command+l.
I'll wait, (along with you), for someone to explain tables, since i'm still new 
to this as well.
Rachel
On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:40 PM, Veronica Elsea  
wrote:

Hi everyone!
First, I thought I'd respond to the discussion on tables. The one I encounter 
is on my bank's web site. I can find the table and VO-right-arrow through each 
item. When I'm on the first column of a row, the VO-R command also reads the 
whole row to me. I can't figure out how to bop straight down a column though. 
But at least the information is all there.
And I so appreciate those of you who reported the apparent bug here. I was 
beginning to think I was losing my mind. I just can't seem to quite figure out 
where I land and when I need to interact and when I don't. I don't remember 
having this issue in Lion but granted, I only used it a little bit because I 
was waiting for Mountain Lion before really getting going on this Macbook.
The other thing I've apparently lost track of is how to quickly do a google 
search. I have figured out that if I open Safari and just stay on the tool bar, 
I can type a url or a search term. I then VO-right-arrow to the html content 
area where I interact. But it sure seemed to me that there was a keystroke or 
something that went easily into that google search. But I just can't find it 
anywhere.
But boy I'd sure love a good tutorial and demo of really using Safari in ML. I 
did create an activity which turns on Quick Nav when I go into Safari, and I 
was afraid that this was what was messing up my browsing experience.
So I will await further news and see how far I get in the meantime. But thanks 
so much to all of you who are so on top of all of this stuff. I look forward to 
doing my part to pay forward. In the meantime, I'm open to all Safari 
suggestions. Thanks.
Veronica
Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ
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http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
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