Re: Posting a picture that I took on my IPhone 4S to mhy Face Book account

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Paul!
When I've pressed the photo button in Face book there are options to take video 
or take picture and another to choose from library!
I do not have any pictures on mine but maybe if you select that option it might 
take you to yours! and you can pick from there!
hth Colin

On 12 Apr 2012, at 02:58, Paul Hunt wrote:

> How do I do this?
> 
> Thanks so much.
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Re: Tips for reading PDF documents on the Mac

[Scott Howell]

Kirsten,

I think the problem is simply poorly formatted tables. VO is not designed to 
try and reconstruct a table. I am not sure exactly how all this works, but 
WIndow-Eyes for example can look at a website that has tables and even when 
poorly constructed, (generally missing header tags), those tables can be 
navigated as a table. There is some backend process for using the "table mode" 
to make this work. Unfortunately there are a lot of very poorly done tables or 
processes for building those tables. So, all that to say I do not blame the 
screen reading technology so much as blaming the app/person who developed the 
table.
I wondered if Fine Reader was accessible on the Mac and if it really provides 
anything that Preview cannot. So, will be curious about your experience.

On Apr 11, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:

> From my investigations today, it seems that it does what most screen-readers 
> do with columns. It puts everything vertically underneath everything. Thus, 
> there are no columns. There are no differentiations between columns or cells, 
> but you seem to need to remember which heading you want and work out which 
> bit you want as a result. What I mean by this, is say, your table has 4 
> columns. It will always start with the four headings (underneath each other 
> of course) and then you need to work through in your head, as you read and 
> associate each item to its given heading and thus column. Although this is 
> not the best way of doing it, it's better than reading half a line and half 
> another line on one line, which is often what I've found happen when pages 
> are split into undetectible columns. This causes issues because you have to 
> try to make sense of two different sets of words which are not likely to be 
> linked and remember them as you navigate line by line in order to read 
> coherently. 
> So, although this does not seem to be happening, and that is an improvement, 
> I'm sorry to say there has been no amazing advancement. Tables in HTML are 
> much more navigable as they have titles and a clear structure, and obvious 
> breaks between columns. But when you turn a PDF into a safari-opened 
> document, it doesn't have the HTML functionality and thus just reads the 
> table as text rather than a separately navigable part of the page. 
> I still have to invest in Fine Reader for Mac, but probably that will solve 
> problems, in the mean-time, long-winded as it is, you either need to use your 
> memory, or do what Rafael does and rescan a printed document. 
> I wonder what it is about Kerzweil and Fine Reader that make tables possible, 
> whilst VO and Jaws can't read PDF docs properly ... 
> Kirsten. 
> 
> On 11 Apr 2012, at 17:51, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:
> 
>> The only solution I've found is to print out the document, and then to read 
>> it with my Kurzweil, since it is able to read by columns.  
>> 
>> Good luck with your efforts, and please keep the list apprised of any 
>> successes.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to be able to read 
>> multiple-column, pdf documents on my Mac.
>> 
>> Cordially,
>> Rafael
>> On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:
>> 
>>> I haven't, but you raise a good point, I have never found it possible to 
>>> read PDF columns properly with Jaws and used to have to use fine reader to 
>>> translate into an MS Doc. The PDFs I am currently putting into Safari are 
>>> mainly journal articles-they have some tables and I don't think those read 
>>> properly, but I will try to remember to take a look at some PDFs in columns 
>>> and see. I think we're likely to have little success however, as it's about 
>>> translating graphical representation into words and a logical order to 
>>> people-many of whom don't have a great concept of layout and formatting. 
>>> 
>>> On 9 Apr 2012, at 16:21, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:
>>> 
 Those are very helpful suggestions.  I wonder, though: Have you ever tried 
 reading pdf documents formatted in multiple columns?  I can do so using an 
 old PowerPC iBook running Tiger, but I can't seem to do so with newer Macs 
 and OSs.
 
 Cordially,
 Rafael Bejarano
 On Apr 8, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:
 
> Hi all, 
> A few weeks ago, someone asked what was the best way of reading PDFs. I 
> gave some vague response, and though I can't remember who asked, I know 
> it comes up quite often, so, below I list more specific steps. I hope 
> they help whoever wanted to know. 
> 1. Find your document in your folder system. 
> 2. Press VO-M and navigate to the File menu. 
> 3. Go down to the Open With menu. 
> 4. Arrow right and then down to Safari. 
> 5. Leave the document to open-this might take some time if it is large 
> for example-when it starts reading, arrow until you are in the window 
> (rather than in the other web functions such as add to reading list etc). 
> 6. Interac

Re: Mail Question.

[Stan]

Hi Matthew,
Just try "clicking" on "More.
Stan ZA
amista...@gmail.com




On 12 Apr 2012, at 4:26 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:


Hi everyone.
I'm just wondering how to read the full header of an email message  
in Lion's messed up mail. I've got a message with a bunch of email  
addresses in the header that I'd love to grab but can't because  
mail only shows some of them and then says "and seven more."

Can anyone help with this?
Thanks,
Matthew Campbell.


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Re: Infovox Ivox 3 is finally out!

[Elena Brescacin]

ivox is an alternative tts system to use with voiceover

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Re: hotmail and Safari

[Steve Holmes]

You might look at the macport or homebrew projects as they sport the building 
of many unix packages.
I happen to use homebrew here and have built emacspeak to run on my mac.  
Haven't tried java or anyh of that but it might be as simple as entering the 
command:
brew jave
and it goes out and gets the necessary dependencies and all that.  Like I say,
not sure if they have build scripts for java or not. Might give that a look.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:37:05PM -0700, Eric Oyen wrote:
> amending my last email...
> 
> I wonder if I can snag the source packages for JDK, JRE and other related 
> packages from the OpenBSD project ports tree? since both OS X and OpenBSD 
> have the same genetic OS roots, and the execution environments are 
> essentially the same from a developer's point of view. This is something I 
> may need to look at.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
> > I don't use Hotmail but I should clarify that JavaScript and Java are two 
> > different things which, unfortunately, share a similar name. Javascript is 
> > an interpreted language and the engine is baked into each browser so Safari 
> > uses one that is not the same as Chrome. They all adhere to a common 
> > standard from ECMA so some folks refer to it as ECMAScript. Java on the 
> > other hand is a compiled language used to build apps and servers. It has 
> > been used in the past to make 'applets' which run inside the browser but 
> > there is really little need for that anymore and is generally frowned upon 
> > as a waste of resources. I doubt that Hotmail uses any Java in their pages 
> > and you can verify this by turning it off in the Java Preferences utility. 
> > I suspect Hotmail, like most other web apps, is just a boatload of 
> > javascript.
> > 
> > That said, I did try logging into a hotmail account and while I found the 
> > navigation and UI painful, Safari didn't crash on me. This was on my laptop 
> > running 10.7 with all the updates. Might be something else throwing things 
> > for a loop. I did get a Safari Busy for about 2 seconds when I first went 
> > to the inbox but that might be because the test account had a lot of spam 
> > in it.
> > 
> > CB
> > 
> > On 4/11/12 5:05 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> >> well folks.
> >> 
> >> it seems that I have run up against this brick wall. so I started 
> >> troubleshooting why hotmail.com causes my browser to crash.
> >> according to the error reporting console in webkit, hotmail.com makes 
> >> several calls to javascripts that aren't included with Apple's JRE. this 
> >> means that some or all of hotmail may be inaccessible at random times. I 
> >> even disabled javascript altogether and found that the entire hotmail site 
> >> displayed as a blank scroll area. What this means is that hotmail isn't 
> >> going to be very usable for any future versions of javascript on OS X.
> >> 
> >> also, I try to hit the contact us link and the browser immediately crashes 
> >> here.
> >> 
> >> what oracle (owners of sun java) needs to do is enforce some standard that 
> >> requires that everyone use supported calls to javascripts. I am so bloody 
> >> tired of having to deal with apple centric JRE, microsoft specific java 
> >> code and the version that I can get to work in linux (which is a full 
> >> version).it seems to me that everyone who uses java code needs to be 
> >> operating on the same standards. this would eliminate a lot of problems, 
> >> especially for us OS X screen reader users. to give you guys an idea how 
> >> bad it is, I can't even give site feedback because their javascript opens 
> >> a frame that locks you in a loop trying to fill out the required text 
> >> fields.
> >> 
> >> -eric
> >> 
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Re: Infovox Ivox 3 is finally out!

[Stacey Robinson]

If I want to look at this,, what do I search for in the app store.
On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:59 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:

> ivox is an alternative tts system to use with voiceover
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Re: Infovox Ivox 3 is finally out!

[Elena Brescacin]

hi, it's not in the app store.
Go here:
http://www.assistiveware.com/product/infovox-ivox/downloads
it's for the mac osx, not for iDevices
you have to download the program, then as I can understand you have a
"voice manager" where you can download and try what you want
bye

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RE: Finder Busy Finder Busy with Empty USB Drives!

[Bill Holton]

Here's the workaround I use.  First, turn off VO and then press command q to
close that finder window.  Then press command 2 to get into list mode.  For
me this problem seems to mostly happen in column view.  Now that you're in
list mode, try again.  Let me know if this works.  Apple has shown very
little interest in solving this problem.
You can also go to the drive on the main finder window.  First, find a file,
any file, and copy it to the clipboard.  At the main finder window use the
right click menu to call up the paste command.  If you can get any file onto
that drive it will then work fine and you canego from there.
Let me know if either of these works.
Bill



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:25 PM
To: macvisionaries
Subject: Finder Busy Finder Busy with Empty USB Drives!

I think this is similar to Bill's empty DVD problems but I'm actually
wondering what the solution is when I get into these situations.  If I plug
in a USB drive which happens to have no files yet, the finder goes into that
damn busy stuff and I can't get out of it any way, any how.  I always end up
turning off the computer and power back up.  Is there any other way to get
out of those busy loops? Unplugging the drive did not help the situation. As
soon as I copy a file on to that empty partition, then all is fine.  What I
do is go into the terminal and use the cp command to do this.  I read Bill's
message about deleting finder settings and then it straitens out for a bit
but obviously, that doesn't sound like a good solution as his problem kept
coming back.  If I use Command O to open the drive, I also get the dreaded
"finder busy" crap so How does one get out of this loop when you get caught
in it? I could see this happening every time you stick in a blank USB stick
or SD card or something.

I sure hope Apple gets this serious bug fixed soon.

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Re: Infovox Ivox 3 is finally out!

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay, so, since I already have version 2, why should I bother with Version 3?

just curious.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



On Apr 12, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:

> hi, it's not in the app store.
> Go here:
> http://www.assistiveware.com/product/infovox-ivox/downloads
> it's for the mac osx, not for iDevices
> you have to download the program, then as I can understand you have a
> "voice manager" where you can download and try what you want
> bye
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RE: Infovox Ivox 3 is finally out!

[Missy Hoppe]

I definitely want this, but am trying to figure out how to go about ordering. I 
have the UK and US voices already installed
on my mac, and have the licence codes for both sets of voices. If there's a 
discount available for upgrading, I want to take
advantage of that, while also getting new physical media if possible. I'm not 
having any luck finding a place on the
assistiveware site to contact them and find out how pricing would work in my 
situation, but I definitely want the new
version; am already planning to change the voice used by Growl to Tracy. If 
anyone has info on pricing, I would really
appreciate it.
Missy

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On Behalf Of Elena Brescacin
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Infovox Ivox 3 is finally out!

hi, it's not in the app store.
Go here:
http://www.assistiveware.com/product/infovox-ivox/downloads
it's for the mac osx, not for iDevices
you have to download the program, then as I can understand you have a "voice 
manager" where you can download and try what you
want bye

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Re: Infovox Ivox 3 is finally out!

[Juan Pablo]

Missy.

In the assistive ware site can read:
Infovox iVox is a free update for our existing users and will include all 
the new standard voices in the language for which the user is licensed.

Go ahead, you do not need spend nothin to upgrade your packages.

-Original Message- 
From: Missy Hoppe

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Infovox Ivox 3 is finally out!

I definitely want this, but am trying to figure out how to go about 
ordering. I have the UK and US voices already installed
on my mac, and have the licence codes for both sets of voices. If there's a 
discount available for upgrading, I want to take
advantage of that, while also getting new physical media if possible. I'm 
not having any luck finding a place on the
assistiveware site to contact them and find out how pricing would work in my 
situation, but I definitely want the new
version; am already planning to change the voice used by Growl to Tracy. If 
anyone has info on pricing, I would really

appreciate it.
Missy

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Elena Brescacin

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Infovox Ivox 3 is finally out!

hi, it's not in the app store.
Go here:
http://www.assistiveware.com/product/infovox-ivox/downloads
it's for the mac osx, not for iDevices
you have to download the program, then as I can understand you have a "voice 
manager" where you can download and try what you

want bye

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Re: Infovox Ivox 3 is finally out!

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey Ray. Infovox Ivox 3 has a few new English voices. There's an Indian accent 
English voice, a voice that's supposed to sound like Queen Elizabeth, a voice 
that's supposed to sound like a hip hop artist, and of course, there's Tracy. 
However I did notice a bug in this thing right away. When you have Adium speak 
events and while doing a read all, the voice crashes Voiceover. But either than 
that, I'm so happy that Infovox Ivox 3 is finally here!

Shawn

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Re: Any cheaper way to get a new charger that works with my somewhat older Macbook?

[Brent Harding]

I found the 60 watt on there for $49.99. That's probably exactly the one I 
need for the early 08, which I found registered on that hard to find Apple 
site looking for other info.


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From: "Chris Blouch" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Any cheaper way to get a new charger that works with my 
somewhat older Macbook?



I'm always interchanging power bricks and they all worked just fine. If
you use a small low-wattage one it will run most laptops but you won't
be able to charge your battery at the same time. Last time I needed to
buy one was when my wife found one of the kids sucking on the plug. He
was unharmed but the power supply never worked right after that. At the
time I found a pretty good price at

http://www.megamacs.com/

but they seem to be having some database issue at the moment.

CB

On 4/7/12 4:47 PM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
from the early intel macbooks, they were the same as the recent ones, with 
exception of wattage ratings.


where abouts are you? I can look up a specialist refurbs place in the USA 
who carries older components.


what I could do with is the machine serial number and then go from there.

the system serial can be found through going to about this mac in the 
apple manu and then going to more info, this opens system profiler and you 
can get the system serial number and model from there.


cheers.

lew

On 7 Apr 2012, at 21:44, Brent Harding wrote:

Yeah, I just knew that there were L shaped and T shaped ones, and if you 
don't have the correct one, depending on the firmware in the machine, if 
you originally had the older one, that's all you could charge with, and I 
heard Apple doesn't make the old one now. Maybe I can get by with that 
plug, but there's probably plenty of them on Ebay.


- Original Message - From: "Lewis 
Alexander"

To:
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Any cheaper way to get a new charger that works with my 
somewhat older Macbook?



hi, the apple charger is pretty much a standard unit and there are no 
compatible products due to patent applications from apple preventing 
clones.


an option or two open to you is ebay for a refurb or used pack or even an 
apple refurb company depending on where you are in the world.


lew

On 7 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Brent Harding wrote:

Hi there. I have this Mac Book that I bought for a good deal some time 
in 2008 or 2009, that was upgraded and was only 6 months used at that 
time, if the guy ever did much with it besides keeping it around to 
sell. When I took it home to my parents' place once, I never noticed 
that the charger got in front of the car door, and some bracket snapped 
off. My dad was able to super glue it back together and it works here, 
but I might be getting a work experience where I might need to move it 
around from one outlet to another since it only goes about 90 minutes in 
Windows, and maybe a little more in Snow Leopard. From what I've read, a 
new one of these costs around $80 and may not work, depending if my 
machine successfully took a certain firmware update. Is there cheaper 
places to get one like the original one that I have so I don't find 
myself in a situation that a different kind doesn't charge the battery?


Thanks.

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got Infovox version 3 and lost all my voices

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay okay.  I downloaded version 3 and installed it.  I now have lost all my 
Acapela voices and so, I have written to the Origen instroments place where I 
bought the voices from and asked them for my license keys back.

I thought this was supposed to be a free upgrade.

Part of what makes this a little tricky is the fact that my e-mail address has 
changed since I did the version 2 voices.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

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Re: Finder Busy Finder Busy with Empty USB Drives!

[Scott Howell]

Bill,

Command-w closes the window. I am not sure that it would be fair to say APple 
is not interested in fixing the issue. There is a good chance that they are 
working the issue on their end and has not said anything or they simply do not 
have sufficient information to determine the underlying cause. I am 
experiencing an issue with my iPHone that I am pretty sure is or has affected 
others and I have been working with APple on/off in regards to the problem. 
THey have not resolved the problem yet, but I do not believe this is because 
they are not interested in resolving the problem. I can appreciate that at 
times it seems as though you are being ignored, but on the other hand I do not 
think this is always the case.

On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Bill Holton wrote:

> Here's the workaround I use.  First, turn off VO and then press command q to
> close that finder window.  Then press command 2 to get into list mode.  For
> me this problem seems to mostly happen in column view.  Now that you're in
> list mode, try again.  Let me know if this works.  Apple has shown very
> little interest in solving this problem.
> You can also go to the drive on the main finder window.  First, find a file,
> any file, and copy it to the clipboard.  At the main finder window use the
> right click menu to call up the paste command.  If you can get any file onto
> that drive it will then work fine and you canego from there.
> Let me know if either of these works.
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> BILL HOLTON
> Email:b...@bholton.com
> Direct:   386-624-6309
> Homepage: www.bholton.com
> Home Office:  1520 Loughton ST
>   DeLand, FL  32720
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:25 PM
> To: macvisionaries
> Subject: Finder Busy Finder Busy with Empty USB Drives!
> 
> I think this is similar to Bill's empty DVD problems but I'm actually
> wondering what the solution is when I get into these situations.  If I plug
> in a USB drive which happens to have no files yet, the finder goes into that
> damn busy stuff and I can't get out of it any way, any how.  I always end up
> turning off the computer and power back up.  Is there any other way to get
> out of those busy loops? Unplugging the drive did not help the situation. As
> soon as I copy a file on to that empty partition, then all is fine.  What I
> do is go into the terminal and use the cp command to do this.  I read Bill's
> message about deleting finder settings and then it straitens out for a bit
> but obviously, that doesn't sound like a good solution as his problem kept
> coming back.  If I use Command O to open the drive, I also get the dreaded
> "finder busy" crap so How does one get out of this loop when you get caught
> in it? I could see this happening every time you stick in a blank USB stick
> or SD card or something.
> 
> I sure hope Apple gets this serious bug fixed soon.
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Re: Any cheaper way to get a new charger that works with my somewhat older Macbook?

[Scott Howell]

You might look at http://www.macsales.com which is Other WOrld Computing (OWC) 
I believe they have some chargers for under $30 USD, but check since I'm only 
going from memory and that is never a good thing. :)

On Apr 12, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Brent Harding wrote:

> I found the 60 watt on there for $49.99. That's probably exactly the one I 
> need for the early 08, which I found registered on that hard to find Apple 
> site looking for other info.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Chris Blouch" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Any cheaper way to get a new charger that works with my somewhat 
> older Macbook?
> 
> 
> I'm always interchanging power bricks and they all worked just fine. If
> you use a small low-wattage one it will run most laptops but you won't
> be able to charge your battery at the same time. Last time I needed to
> buy one was when my wife found one of the kids sucking on the plug. He
> was unharmed but the power supply never worked right after that. At the
> time I found a pretty good price at
> 
> http://www.megamacs.com/
> 
> but they seem to be having some database issue at the moment.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 4/7/12 4:47 PM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
>> from the early intel macbooks, they were the same as the recent ones, with 
>> exception of wattage ratings.
>> 
>> where abouts are you? I can look up a specialist refurbs place in the USA 
>> who carries older components.
>> 
>> what I could do with is the machine serial number and then go from there.
>> 
>> the system serial can be found through going to about this mac in the apple 
>> manu and then going to more info, this opens system profiler and you can get 
>> the system serial number and model from there.
>> 
>> cheers.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 7 Apr 2012, at 21:44, Brent Harding wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah, I just knew that there were L shaped and T shaped ones, and if you 
>>> don't have the correct one, depending on the firmware in the machine, if 
>>> you originally had the older one, that's all you could charge with, and I 
>>> heard Apple doesn't make the old one now. Maybe I can get by with that 
>>> plug, but there's probably plenty of them on Ebay.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Lewis 
>>> Alexander"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Any cheaper way to get a new charger that works with my 
>>> somewhat older Macbook?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hi, the apple charger is pretty much a standard unit and there are no 
>>> compatible products due to patent applications from apple preventing clones.
>>> 
>>> an option or two open to you is ebay for a refurb or used pack or even an 
>>> apple refurb company depending on where you are in the world.
>>> 
>>> lew
>>> 
>>> On 7 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Brent Harding wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there. I have this Mac Book that I bought for a good deal some time in 
 2008 or 2009, that was upgraded and was only 6 months used at that time, 
 if the guy ever did much with it besides keeping it around to sell. When I 
 took it home to my parents' place once, I never noticed that the charger 
 got in front of the car door, and some bracket snapped off. My dad was 
 able to super glue it back together and it works here, but I might be 
 getting a work experience where I might need to move it around from one 
 outlet to another since it only goes about 90 minutes in Windows, and 
 maybe a little more in Snow Leopard. From what I've read, a new one of 
 these costs around $80 and may not work, depending if my machine 
 successfully took a certain firmware update. Is there cheaper places to 
 get one like the original one that I have so I don't find myself in a 
 situation that a different kind doesn't charge the battery?
 
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Re: Any cheaper way to get a new charger that works with my somewhat older Macbook?

[Brent Harding]

Which place would be cheaper and faster to get it fixed, the place Apple 
recommends, assuming they still work on Apple stuff and their listing isn't 
outdated, or the other place I had boot camp done initially where he claims 
he knows how to repair the hardware stuff as well as I devices people drop, 
spill stuff in, etc. Having just paid for the protection plan for my phone 
to get express replacement, I don't know if I'd do that again given I need 
more info to get the broke one picked up.


- Original Message - 
From: "Lewis Alexander" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: Any cheaper way to get a new charger that works with my 
somewhat older Macbook?



the firmware update will resolve power support. however, there are 2 
different power packs available. these have different wattages and therefore 
a lower wattage will not help you with both power and charge cycles, in fact 
this can cause damage to the battery and power inverter of the laptop.


in regards the keyboard, I have been checking up on my technical databases 
with apple and the only way to resolve your problem is a keyboard 
replacement. as the key in question has been damaged in removal and a mount 
point is missing.


sorry but that's how it is. it's not like buying a windows laptop, undo a 
bracket and the keyboard dismounts, the macbook is a different kettle of 
fish all together and requires attention to service. if you were in the UK, 
I would be willing to service this for you but as you're in the USA, you 
would need to find a techie that's willing to udnertake the work as a favour 
with parts.


lew

On 9 Apr 2012, at 22:12, Esther wrote:


Hi Chris,

Brent's correct that the older MacBook models from 2007-2008 require a 
firmware update in order to charge from the recent model power bricks 
(with the L-shaped connectors).  The affected models are:

• MacBook (13-inch Late 2007)
• MacBook Pro (17-inch, Early 2008)
• MacBook Pro (15-inch Early 2008)
• MacBook (13-inch, Early 2008)
• MacBook (13-inch, Late 2008)

Here's the link to the Apple Knowledge base article that appeared in 
October 2010:
• Portables: L-shaped MagSafe power adapter does not charge computer and 
LED indicator light does not illuminate:

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3499

There should be a link in that document to the appropriate firmware 
download.  I'd just apply the firmware download, and then you can use any 
laptop power brick that delivers sufficient power.  E-bay is probably a 
good source, as you say.


Cheers,

Esther


On Apr 9, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

I'm always interchanging power bricks and they all worked just fine. If 
you use a small low-wattage one it will run most laptops but you won't be 
able to charge your battery at the same time. Last time I needed to buy 
one was when my wife found one of the kids sucking on the plug. He was 
unharmed but the power supply never worked right after that. At the time 
I found a pretty good price at


http://www.megamacs.com/

but they seem to be having some database issue at the moment.

CB

On 4/7/12 4:47 PM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
from the early intel macbooks, they were the same as the recent ones, 
with exception of wattage ratings.


where abouts are you? I can look up a specialist refurbs place in the 
USA who carries older components.


what I could do with is the machine serial number and then go from 
there.


the system serial can be found through going to about this mac in the 
apple manu and then going to more info, this opens system profiler and 
you can get the system serial number and model from there.


cheers.

lew

On 7 Apr 2012, at 21:44, Brent Harding wrote:

Yeah, I just knew that there were L shaped and T shaped ones, and if 
you don't have the correct one, depending on the firmware in the 
machine, if you originally had the older one, that's all you could 
charge with, and I heard Apple doesn't make the old one now. Maybe I 
can get by with that plug, but there's probably plenty of them on Ebay.


- Original Message - From: "Lewis 
Alexander"

To:
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Any cheaper way to get a new charger that works with my 
somewhat older Macbook?



hi, the apple charger is pretty much a standard unit and there are no 
compatible products due to patent applications from apple preventing 
clones.


an option or two open to you is ebay for a refurb or used pack or even 
an apple refurb company depending on where you are in the world.


lew

On 7 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Brent Harding wrote:

Hi there. I have this Mac Book that I bought for a good deal some time 
in 2008 or 2009, that was upgraded and was only 6 months used at that 
time, if the guy ever did much with it besides keeping it around to 
sell. When I took it home to my parents' place once, I never noticed 
that the charger got in front of the car door, and some bracket 
snapped off. My dad was able to super glue it back together and it 
works h

Re: got Infovox version 3 and lost all my voices

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ray,

I think the new version of Infovox iVox works differently from the previous 
ones. Have a look in your Applications folder for one called Infovox iVox Voice 
Manager.app.

This is what you use to enable the voices.

Cheers,

Anne

On 12 Apr 2012, at 16:25, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Okay okay.  I downloaded version 3 and installed it.  I now have lost all my 
> Acapela voices and so, I have written to the Origen instroments place where I 
> bought the voices from and asked them for my license keys back.
> 
> I thought this was supposed to be a free upgrade.
> 
> Part of what makes this a little tricky is the fact that my e-mail address 
> has changed since I did the version 2 voices.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

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Re: got Infovox version 3 and lost all my voices

[Ray Foret Jr]

Did that.  All voices show as being uninstalled and unregistered.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
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On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Ray,
> 
> I think the new version of Infovox iVox works differently from the previous 
> ones. Have a look in your Applications folder for one called Infovox iVox 
> Voice Manager.app.
> 
> This is what you use to enable the voices.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> On 12 Apr 2012, at 16:25, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Okay okay.  I downloaded version 3 and installed it.  I now have lost all my 
>> Acapela voices and so, I have written to the Origen instroments place where 
>> I bought the voices from and asked them for my license keys back.
>> 
>> I thought this was supposed to be a free upgrade.
>> 
>> Part of what makes this a little tricky is the fact that my e-mail address 
>> has changed since I did the version 2 voices.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
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Re: got Infovox version 3 and lost all my voices

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ray,

You'll need to contact the supplier of Infovox iVox to get that fixed.

Cheers,

Anne


On 12 Apr 2012, at 17:07, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Did that.  All voices show as being uninstalled and unregistered.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Ray,
>> 
>> I think the new version of Infovox iVox works differently from the previous 
>> ones. Have a look in your Applications folder for one called Infovox iVox 
>> Voice Manager.app.
>> 
>> This is what you use to enable the voices.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> On 12 Apr 2012, at 16:25, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay okay.  I downloaded version 3 and installed it.  I now have lost all 
>>> my Acapela voices and so, I have written to the Origen instroments place 
>>> where I bought the voices from and asked them for my license keys back.
>>> 
>>> I thought this was supposed to be a free upgrade.
>>> 
>>> Part of what makes this a little tricky is the fact that my e-mail address 
>>> has changed since I did the version 2 voices.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
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Creating a list of all the headings and links

[Rahul Bajaj]

Hi all,

Is there a way of creating a list of all the headings or links on a webpage 
with VoiceOver?
There's a command for doing this with JAWS, but can we do this on the Mac as 
well with Voiceover?
Please do shed some light on this matter.

Cheers,
Rahul
 
 

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Re: got Infovox version 3 and lost all my voices

[Henry D. Hollithron]

Good Day: 

When I did the upgrade, there was a second window available from the 
Window chooser for the voice manager which told me to redeem the activation 
codes. It had found the activation codes for the older InfoVox language packs 
which I had, and I had to activate each one by pressing the "activate" button 
next to each code. For the first activation, it asked me to create an account 
with my name and email address, which could be edited. After that, the process 
became quite simple. Then, it was a simple matter of going to the tools menu 
and selecting "Install all licensed voices". They appear to have done some 
updates on the existing voices.

HTH:
Henry

Education never ends. It is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.
Sherlock Homes

On 12 Apr 2012, at 11:32, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Ray,
> 
> You'll need to contact the supplier of Infovox iVox to get that fixed.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 12 Apr 2012, at 17:07, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Did that.  All voices show as being uninstalled and unregistered.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Ray,
>>> 
>>> I think the new version of Infovox iVox works differently from the previous 
>>> ones. Have a look in your Applications folder for one called Infovox iVox 
>>> Voice Manager.app.
>>> 
>>> This is what you use to enable the voices.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> On 12 Apr 2012, at 16:25, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
 Okay okay.  I downloaded version 3 and installed it.  I now have lost all 
 my Acapela voices and so, I have written to the Origen instroments place 
 where I bought the voices from and asked them for my license keys back.
 
 I thought this was supposed to be a free upgrade.
 
 Part of what makes this a little tricky is the fact that my e-mail address 
 has changed since I did the version 2 voices.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
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Re: hotmail and Safari

[Eric Oyen]

they don't. that was the first thing I tried to look for.

-eric

On Apr 12, 2012, at 3:37 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> You might look at the macport or homebrew projects as they sport the building 
> of many unix packages.
> I happen to use homebrew here and have built emacspeak to run on my mac.  
> Haven't tried java or anyh of that but it might be as simple as entering the 
> command:
> brew jave
> and it goes out and gets the necessary dependencies and all that.  Like I say,
> not sure if they have build scripts for java or not. Might give that a look.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:37:05PM -0700, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> amending my last email...
>> 
>> I wonder if I can snag the source packages for JDK, JRE and other related 
>> packages from the OpenBSD project ports tree? since both OS X and OpenBSD 
>> have the same genetic OS roots, and the execution environments are 
>> essentially the same from a developer's point of view. This is something I 
>> may need to look at.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't use Hotmail but I should clarify that JavaScript and Java are two 
>>> different things which, unfortunately, share a similar name. Javascript is 
>>> an interpreted language and the engine is baked into each browser so Safari 
>>> uses one that is not the same as Chrome. They all adhere to a common 
>>> standard from ECMA so some folks refer to it as ECMAScript. Java on the 
>>> other hand is a compiled language used to build apps and servers. It has 
>>> been used in the past to make 'applets' which run inside the browser but 
>>> there is really little need for that anymore and is generally frowned upon 
>>> as a waste of resources. I doubt that Hotmail uses any Java in their pages 
>>> and you can verify this by turning it off in the Java Preferences utility. 
>>> I suspect Hotmail, like most other web apps, is just a boatload of 
>>> javascript.
>>> 
>>> That said, I did try logging into a hotmail account and while I found the 
>>> navigation and UI painful, Safari didn't crash on me. This was on my laptop 
>>> running 10.7 with all the updates. Might be something else throwing things 
>>> for a loop. I did get a Safari Busy for about 2 seconds when I first went 
>>> to the inbox but that might be because the test account had a lot of spam 
>>> in it.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 4/11/12 5:05 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 well folks.
 
 it seems that I have run up against this brick wall. so I started 
 troubleshooting why hotmail.com causes my browser to crash.
 according to the error reporting console in webkit, hotmail.com makes 
 several calls to javascripts that aren't included with Apple's JRE. this 
 means that some or all of hotmail may be inaccessible at random times. I 
 even disabled javascript altogether and found that the entire hotmail site 
 displayed as a blank scroll area. What this means is that hotmail isn't 
 going to be very usable for any future versions of javascript on OS X.
 
 also, I try to hit the contact us link and the browser immediately crashes 
 here.
 
 what oracle (owners of sun java) needs to do is enforce some standard that 
 requires that everyone use supported calls to javascripts. I am so bloody 
 tired of having to deal with apple centric JRE, microsoft specific java 
 code and the version that I can get to work in linux (which is a full 
 version).it seems to me that everyone who uses java code needs to be 
 operating on the same standards. this would eliminate a lot of problems, 
 especially for us OS X screen reader users. to give you guys an idea how 
 bad it is, I can't even give site feedback because their javascript opens 
 a frame that locks you in a loop trying to fill out the required text 
 fields.
 
 -eric
 
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RE: got Infovox version 3 and lost all my voices

[Missy Hoppe]

Hi! I'm not having any luck getting this to work at all. None of the screens 
you described are showing up. Am wondering what
I'm doing wrong.
Thanks!

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Henry D. Hollithron
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: got Infovox version 3 and lost all my voices


Good Day:  


When I did the upgrade, there was a second window available from the Window 
chooser for the voice manager which told me to
redeem the activation codes. It had found the activation codes for the older 
InfoVox language packs which I had, and I had to
activate each one by pressing the "activate" button next to each code. For the 
first activation, it asked me to create an
account with my name and email address, which could be edited. After that, the 
process became quite simple. Then, it was a
simple matter of going to the tools menu and selecting "Install all licensed 
voices". They appear to have done some updates
on the existing voices.

HTH:
Henry

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Sherlock Homes

On 12 Apr 2012, at 11:32, Anne Robertson wrote:


Hello Ray,

You'll need to contact the supplier of Infovox iVox to get that fixed.

Cheers,

Anne


On 12 Apr 2012, at 17:07, Ray Foret Jr wrote:


Did that.  All voices show as being uninstalled and unregistered. 





Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1  



On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:


Hello Ray,

I think the new version of Infovox iVox works differently from the previous 
ones. Have a look in your Applications folder for
one called Infovox iVox Voice Manager.app.

This is what you use to enable the voices.

Cheers,

Anne

On 12 Apr 2012, at 16:25, Ray Foret Jr wrote:



Okay okay.  I downloaded version 3 and installed it.  I now have lost all my 
Acapela voices and so, I have written to the
Origen instroments place where I bought the voices from and asked them for my 
license keys back.



I thought this was supposed to be a free upgrade.



Part of what makes this a little tricky is the fact that my e-mail address has 
changed since I did the version 2 voices.




Sincerely,


The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!



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Uploading a video on YouTube

[Rahul Bajaj]

Hi all,

Can anyone here please tell me the procedure of uploading a video on YouTube?
I don't even know how to record a video, so please tell me how I can  record a 
video and then upload it on YouTube.
 Thanks a ton in advance for your help.

Best,
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Re: Creating a list of all the headings and links

[Tim Kilburn]

Yes, definitely.  Press VO-u to bring up the Web Router.  Once it is up, use 
left and right arrows to navigate between Headings, Links, Tables, Form 
Controls etc.  Use up and down arrows to navigate within a given category.  
Type the first couple letters of what you wish to find to quickly restrict the 
list.  For example, type "g-m" on the oogle page would quickly locate the 
"GMail" link, press return and focus will move to that link but does not 
activate it until you press VO-space.

HTH.

Later...

On 2012-04-09, at 10:41 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Is there a way of creating a list of all the headings or links on a webpage 
> with VoiceOver?
> There's a command for doing this with JAWS, but can we do this on the Mac as 
> well with Voiceover?
> Please do shed some light on this matter.
> 
> Cheers,
> Rahul
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Best text-editor for programming?

[Mandi]

Hello,

I'm asking for a friend.  Any suggestions are welcomed.


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Re: Uploading a video on YouTube

[Michael Malarsie]

Greetings,
In Quicktime you have two options. a Movie recording is using the 
camera  that faces you and the other option is a screen recording where the 
video will be of your computer screen.
If you do a screen recording after pressing the record button you have 
to click anywhere to actually start the recording process. I just turn my 
trackpad commander off and after pressing record click that and it starts. To 
stop a screen recording press control, option, and escape. 
A movie recording is a little different. As soon as you press the 
record button it starts recording. When you are done just press the button 
again. You will have voice over talked at the start and end of the videos yet 
though so you may have to edit that out.
I use iMovie to upload to YouTube. If you try it from Quicktime it will 
not work. There are audio/video sync issues and the upload will fail every 
time. At least it did for me. these issues don't happen in iMovie. 
After I record a video in Quicktime I export it to my desktop then open 
iMovie and inport the video there. You can edit if you want but if not then 
just go to the Menu bar and find the share option.
It will give you a lot of options like mobile me, itunes, YouTube, ect.
This all sounds a lot more complex than it really is. Once you 
try it it will make more sense. Let me know if you have more questions. Email 
me off list at michael.malar...@gmail.com

Take care 
Mike Malarsie 
On Apr 12, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Can anyone here please tell me the procedure of uploading a video on YouTube?
> I don't even know how to record a video, so please tell me how I can  record 
> a video and then upload it on YouTube.
> Thanks a ton in advance for your help.
> 
> Best,
> Rahul 
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Re: 30 great open source apps for the Mac

[Michael Malarsie]

This is good stuff. I have downloaded a few. This is going to make me sound 
like in no nerd…which is true…but what is the point of a program like 
transmission? I read the description if it and others like it and i jsut dont 
really get it. thanks for the help!

Mike Malarsie 
On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Hey guys,
> FWIW, here is a list of 30 open source applications for the Mac: 
> http://mac.appstorm.net/roundups/utilities-roundups/30-great-open-source-mac-apps/
> In particular, Transmission, a torrent app, is quite accessible. You will 
> find other cools tuff there.
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A Question for NLS Web Braille Subscribers

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

While I can find my username and password, I cannot, it seems, find the URL
in order to search and/or download NLS Web Titles.  

The URL I have is loc.gov/nls/Braille, however, this does not, as it once
did about 9 years ago (smile), land me on a page from which I can serch for
web Braille titles.  

Yes, it's true, I have not been to the site in about 8 years or so.  

Anyway, I am hoping that someone can give me a current URL for Web Braille
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Re: A Question for NLS Web Braille Subscribers

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi!
Funny you mention that.  The other day I tried the same thing and kept getting 
the message saying unable to initialize z3950 or whatever that protocol is.
Jim

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> Hello,
> 
> While I can find my username and password, I cannot, it seems, find the URL
> in order to search and/or download NLS Web Titles.  
> 
> The URL I have is loc.gov/nls/Braille, however, this does not, as it once
> did about 9 years ago (smile), land me on a page from which I can serch for
> web Braille titles.  
> 
> Yes, it's true, I have not been to the site in about 8 years or so.  
> 
> Anyway, I am hoping that someone can give me a current URL for Web Braille
> titles.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: A Question for NLS Web Braille Subscribers

[Robert Hill]

Hi all,

You need to put a / character at the end of the URL
http://www.loc.gov/nls/braille/

That should get you where you want to be.
Look for the online catalog  link.

Bob Hill



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> Hello,
> 
> While I can find my username and password, I cannot, it seems, find the URL
> in order to search and/or download NLS Web Titles.  
> 
> The URL I have is loc.gov/nls/Braille, however, this does not, as it once
> did about 9 years ago (smile), land me on a page from which I can serch for
> web Braille titles.  
> 
> Yes, it's true, I have not been to the site in about 8 years or so.  
> 
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> titles.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
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Re: iTunes library question

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi,
Do you have all your music in the default library folder? DO you have iTunes 
set to make copies of everything you add to your library? To avoid problems I 
would delete the songs you do not want out of  your library first. This will 
prompt iTunes to ask if you want it to put the music in trash or keep it in 
place. This only happens if they are in the default iTunes library location. In 
other words, if you have added some music that is in a random folder to iTunes 
and delete it from your library it will only delete the shortcut to it and the 
copy it made if you have that setting on.

Hope this is not too confusing.

Good luck,

Ioana


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On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

> Hi all,
> I want to completey redo my music in my iTunes library. How can I do this so 
> files that I don't want there will go away.
> What do I need to delete so my mac running snowleopard doesn't keep a record 
> of what I had in there before?
> I've already erased my music from my iPhone.
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ABBYY Fine reader

[Becky Knaub]

Hi all,
I was wondering if Finereader will read PDF documents or is it just a scanning 
program like kurzweil?

Thanks 

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OT iPad buying options in the US.

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi all sorry for being a little off topic. I'm going over to the US soon 
and want to find out what the options are for buying a iPad over there. Can 
I buy a unlocked (not spesific to any network) one cash directly from a 
Apple store, or do they only sell them on contract through Verizon and 
AT&T? I need one which takes a micro sim card and know Verizon works on 
CDMA so know not to get a verizon one. Sorry if this question is stupid, I 
looked around on the internet but just want to make sure of everything.

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Re: hotmail and Safari

[Chris Blouch]

I don't think it's possible but I'm not a Java expert. My impression was 
that it was only available as an installer for each supported platform.


CB

On 4/12/12 1:22 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

they don't. that was the first thing I tried to look for.

-eric

On Apr 12, 2012, at 3:37 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:


You might look at the macport or homebrew projects as they sport the building 
of many unix packages.
I happen to use homebrew here and have built emacspeak to run on my mac.  
Haven't tried java or anyh of that but it might be as simple as entering the 
command:
brew jave
and it goes out and gets the necessary dependencies and all that.  Like I say,
not sure if they have build scripts for java or not. Might give that a look.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:37:05PM -0700, Eric Oyen wrote:

amending my last email...

I wonder if I can snag the source packages for JDK, JRE and other related 
packages from the OpenBSD project ports tree? since both OS X and OpenBSD have 
the same genetic OS roots, and the execution environments are essentially the 
same from a developer's point of view. This is something I may need to look at.

-eric

On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:


I don't use Hotmail but I should clarify that JavaScript and Java are two 
different things which, unfortunately, share a similar name. Javascript is an 
interpreted language and the engine is baked into each browser so Safari uses 
one that is not the same as Chrome. They all adhere to a common standard from 
ECMA so some folks refer to it as ECMAScript. Java on the other hand is a 
compiled language used to build apps and servers. It has been used in the past 
to make 'applets' which run inside the browser but there is really little need 
for that anymore and is generally frowned upon as a waste of resources. I doubt 
that Hotmail uses any Java in their pages and you can verify this by turning it 
off in the Java Preferences utility. I suspect Hotmail, like most other web 
apps, is just a boatload of javascript.

That said, I did try logging into a hotmail account and while I found the 
navigation and UI painful, Safari didn't crash on me. This was on my laptop 
running 10.7 with all the updates. Might be something else throwing things for 
a loop. I did get a Safari Busy for about 2 seconds when I first went to the 
inbox but that might be because the test account had a lot of spam in it.

CB

On 4/11/12 5:05 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

well folks.

it seems that I have run up against this brick wall. so I started 
troubleshooting why hotmail.com causes my browser to crash.
according to the error reporting console in webkit, hotmail.com makes several 
calls to javascripts that aren't included with Apple's JRE. this means that 
some or all of hotmail may be inaccessible at random times. I even disabled 
javascript altogether and found that the entire hotmail site displayed as a 
blank scroll area. What this means is that hotmail isn't going to be very 
usable for any future versions of javascript on OS X.

also, I try to hit the contact us link and the browser immediately crashes here.

what oracle (owners of sun java) needs to do is enforce some standard that 
requires that everyone use supported calls to javascripts. I am so bloody tired 
of having to deal with apple centric JRE, microsoft specific java code and the 
version that I can get to work in linux (which is a full version).it seems to 
me that everyone who uses java code needs to be operating on the same 
standards. this would eliminate a lot of problems, especially for us OS X 
screen reader users. to give you guys an idea how bad it is, I can't even give 
site feedback because their javascript opens a frame that locks you in a loop 
trying to fill out the required text fields.

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Re: iTunes library question

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks so much. It
On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

> Hi,
> Do you have all your music in the default library folder? DO you have iTunes 
> set to make copies of everything you add to your library? To avoid problems I 
> would delete the songs you do not want out of  your library first. This will 
> prompt iTunes to ask if you want it to put the music in trash or keep it in 
> place. This only happens if they are in the default iTunes library location. 
> In other words, if you have added some music that is in a random folder to 
> iTunes and delete it from your library it will only delete the shortcut to it 
> and the copy it made if you have that setting on.
> 
> Hope this is not too confusing.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I want to completey redo my music in my iTunes library. How can I do this so 
>> files that I don't want there will go away.
>> What do I need to delete so my mac running snowleopard doesn't keep a record 
>> of what I had in there before?
>> I've already erased my music from my iPhone.
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Re: got Infovox version 3 and lost all my voices

[Ray Foret Jr]

Thing is, it's a separate window that pops up, but, you need to use VO+F2 twice 
to get in to it.


Sincerely,
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On Apr 12, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> Hi! I'm not having any luck getting this to work at all. None of the screens 
> you described are showing up. Am wondering what I'm doing wrong.
> Thanks!
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Henry D.  Hollithron
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:12 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: got Infovox version 3 and lost all my voices
> 
> Good Day: 
> 
> When I did the upgrade, there was a second window available from the Window 
> chooser for the voice manager which told me to redeem the activation codes. 
> It had found the activation codes for the older InfoVox language packs which 
> I had, and I had to activate each one by pressing the "activate" button next 
> to each code. For the first activation, it asked me to create an account with 
> my name and email address, which could be edited. After that, the process 
> became quite simple. Then, it was a simple matter of going to the tools menu 
> and selecting "Install all licensed voices". They appear to have done some 
> updates on the existing voices.
> 
> HTH:
> Henry
> 
> Education never ends. It is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the 
> last.
> Sherlock Homes
> 
> On 12 Apr 2012, at 11:32, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Ray,
>> 
>> You'll need to contact the supplier of Infovox iVox to get that fixed.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 12 Apr 2012, at 17:07, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Did that.  All voices show as being uninstalled and unregistered.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Ray,
 
 I think the new version of Infovox iVox works differently from the 
 previous ones. Have a look in your Applications folder for one called 
 Infovox iVox Voice Manager.app.
 
 This is what you use to enable the voices.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On 12 Apr 2012, at 16:25, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
> Okay okay.  I downloaded version 3 and installed it.  I now have lost all 
> my Acapela voices and so, I have written to the Origen instroments place 
> where I bought the voices from and asked them for my license keys back.
> 
> I thought this was supposed to be a free upgrade.
> 
> Part of what makes this a little tricky is the fact that my e-mail 
> address has changed since I did the version 2 voices.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
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Speakable Items Interferes With Energy Saver Preferences

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi. Does anyone use the speakable items speech recognition tool? If so, maybe 
you can help me. I have my computer to respond to a keyword and sometimes I 
accidentally say it or the computer says it. Anyway once speakable items is 
triggered, I notice that it interferes with my energy saver preferences. For 
example, after it's triggered, my screen doesn't dim at the specific time it's 
supposed to. As a matter of fact, it doesn't dim at all until I either shut 
down or restart. Is there a way to fix this?

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RE: Uploading a video on YouTube

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Can you explain how to do the screen recording?


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Re: something to make it easier for you

[Ioana Gandrabur]

HI there,


Thanks for a fascinating work!
How do I import your script text in a script? Tried pasting it in an untitled 
script editor window but got syntax error.


BTW, any tips for complete beginners to learn how to scripts? I would like to 
start with recording repetitive tasks sequences but would also love to learn 
about it in general so I can see what potential there is for it. 

Lastly could any of you share  a good resource for vo scripts?

Thanks,

Ioana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Apr 11, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> set thetext to get the clipboard
> tell application "TextEdit"
>   set theindex to every paragraph of front document
>   set thecount to count theindex
>   set thecount to thecount + 1
>   set paragraph thecount of front document to thetext
>   
>   say "pasted to text editor"
> end tell
> 
> 
> Copy it all, paste it into your applescript editor which is 
> /applications/utilitiesapplescript editor
> /

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discovering cool custom verbosity options

[Ioana Gandrabur]

HI all,

I am playing around with speech verbosity settings and found an interesting way 
to customize order of info being spoken by VO. I got checkboxes to say 
unchecked or checked before the actual info of the checkbox. Some controls are 
very obscure to me like drawers or list markers but it is worth playing around 
with this I think.
Does anyone know of a more in-depth explanation of each control in the custom 
verbosity table?

Still would love to get VO to be less verbose when selecting items in items 
select mode. Any ideas of how or if this is possible would be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks,

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Re: A Question for NLS Web Braille Subscribers

[Teresa Cochran]

Also, be aware that Web Braille is gradually switching over to the NLS Bard 
site in the next couple of months, so there might be a few odd glitches here 
and there. You may want to consider getting a Bard account if you haven't 
already.

Teresa

"On the other hand, there are different fingers."

On Apr 12, 2012, at 12:17 PM, Robert Hill wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> You need to put a / character at the end of the URL
> http://www.loc.gov/nls/braille/
> 
> That should get you where you want to be.
> Look for the online catalog  link.
> 
> Bob Hill
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 3:08 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> While I can find my username and password, I cannot, it seems, find the URL
>> in order to search and/or download NLS Web Titles.  
>> 
>> The URL I have is loc.gov/nls/Braille, however, this does not, as it once
>> did about 9 years ago (smile), land me on a page from which I can serch for
>> web Braille titles.  
>> 
>> Yes, it's true, I have not been to the site in about 8 years or so.  
>> 
>> Anyway, I am hoping that someone can give me a current URL for Web Braille
>> titles.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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RE: A Question for NLS Web Braille Subscribers

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jim,

I find that I have to enter my credintials, twice in order to get logged in.


So, the next time you attempt to log in, enter your username and password a
second time and it should work.

Mark 




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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Gatteys
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question for NLS Web Braille Subscribers

Hi!
Funny you mention that.  The other day I tried the same thing and kept
getting the message saying unable to initialize z3950 or whatever that
protocol is.
Jim

On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:08 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> While I can find my username and password, I cannot, it seems, find 
> the URL in order to search and/or download NLS Web Titles.
> 
> The URL I have is loc.gov/nls/Braille, however, this does not, as it 
> once did about 9 years ago (smile), land me on a page from which I can 
> serch for web Braille titles.
> 
> Yes, it's true, I have not been to the site in about 8 years or so.  
> 
> Anyway, I am hoping that someone can give me a current URL for Web 
> Braille titles.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: A Question for NLS Web Braille Subscribers

[M. Taylor]

Thank you, Robert.

However, either with or without the forward-slash, you will be taken to the
same location if browsing to 
Loc.gov/nls/Braille.

Mark


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Hi all,

You need to put a / character at the end of the URL
http://www.loc.gov/nls/braille/

That should get you where you want to be.
Look for the online catalog  link.

Bob Hill



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> Hello,
> 
> While I can find my username and password, I cannot, it seems, find 
> the URL in order to search and/or download NLS Web Titles.
> 
> The URL I have is loc.gov/nls/Braille, however, this does not, as it 
> once did about 9 years ago (smile), land me on a page from which I can 
> serch for web Braille titles.
> 
> Yes, it's true, I have not been to the site in about 8 years or so.  
> 
> Anyway, I am hoping that someone can give me a current URL for Web 
> Braille titles.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Re: Uploading a video on YouTube

[Michael Malarsie]

In Quicktime either  open the File Menu and click on New Screen Recording or 
press command , control, N.
From there your cursor should alread be on the start recording button. 
Once you press that you will need to click the mouse to actually start it. I 
recommend messing with this a few times to get a feel for it.

Mike Malarsie 
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> Can you explain how to do the screen recording?
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RE: got Infovox version 3 and lost all my voices

[Missy Hoppe]

I finally figured that out. It took ages, but all of the English voices are now 
installed and working.

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: got Infovox version 3 and lost all my voices


Thing is, it's a separate window that pops up, but, you need to use VO+F2 twice 
to get in to it. 


Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
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On Apr 12, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:


Hi! I'm not having any luck getting this to work at all. None of the screens 
you described are showing up. Am wondering what
I'm doing wrong.
Thanks!

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Henry D. Hollithron
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: got Infovox version 3 and lost all my voices


Good Day:  


When I did the upgrade, there was a second window available from the Window 
chooser for the voice manager which told me to
redeem the activation codes. It had found the activation codes for the older 
InfoVox language packs which I had, and I had to
activate each one by pressing the "activate" button next to each code. For the 
first activation, it asked me to create an
account with my name and email address, which could be edited. After that, the 
process became quite simple. Then, it was a
simple matter of going to the tools menu and selecting "Install all licensed 
voices". They appear to have done some updates
on the existing voices.

HTH:
Henry


Education never ends. It is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.
Sherlock Homes

On 12 Apr 2012, at 11:32, Anne Robertson wrote:


Hello Ray,

You'll need to contact the supplier of Infovox iVox to get that fixed.

Cheers,

Anne


On 12 Apr 2012, at 17:07, Ray Foret Jr wrote:


Did that.  All voices show as being uninstalled and unregistered. 





Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1  



On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:


Hello Ray,

I think the new version of Infovox iVox works differently from the previous 
ones. Have a look in your Applications folder for
one called Infovox iVox Voice Manager.app.

This is what you use to enable the voices.

Cheers,

Anne

On 12 Apr 2012, at 16:25, Ray Foret Jr wrote:



Okay okay.  I downloaded version 3 and installed it.  I now have lost all my 
Acapela voices and so, I have written to the
Origen instroments place where I bought the voices from and asked them for my 
license keys back.



I thought this was supposed to be a free upgrade.



Part of what makes this a little tricky is the fact that my e-mail address has 
changed since I did the version 2 voices.




Sincerely,


The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!



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reading brf files on a mac

[Chris Westbrook]

I am going to be getting a braille display and would like to read web braille 
stuff on my mac.  Is there a program that will save my place?  I thought I 
remembered reading about  one but I can't remember all the details.  Looking 
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Re: Mirroring a Folder

[Chris Blouch]

I used to do this for my itunes folder with rsync in the terminal but 
then I got tired or it and just copied my whole folder over to the 
external drive. There is an article on doing this with rsync here:


http://extrafuture.com/2007/06/07/how-to-back-up-your-itunes-music-with-rsync-on-mac-os-x/

Nice thing with rsync is it just copies over whatever is newer so after 
the first round it doesn't take nearly as long. rsync is also network 
aware so you could copy stuff to a volume on any other computer that 
supports rsync, which would be any recent OSX machine.


Could you also accomplish this just with Time Machine?

CB

On 4/11/12 5:49 PM, Marc Sutton wrote:

Hi List,
Has anyone had VoiceOver success with software to mirror a folder to a 
harddrive or the reverse? I want to keep my music folder backed up to an 
external disc. I have tried File Sync to no avail. Would love to hear people's 
recommendations. Thanks.
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RE: reading brf files on a mac

[M. Taylor]

A hardy congratulations on obtaining your new Braille Display, Chris.  

I can tell you that they are a true blessing and a proverbial game changer
(Smile).

Which display will you be using?

Mark



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I am going to be getting a braille display and would like to read web
braille stuff on my mac.  Is there a program that will save my place?  I
thought I remembered reading about  one but I can't remember all the
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Re: Finder Busy Finder Busy with Empty USB Drives!

[Esther]

Hi Steve,

Not sure that this helps to answer your question, but when I attach USB memory 
sticks to my Mac, in order to prevent the system from trying to start up 
Spotlight indexing of the drive when I connect, I go to System Preferences > 
Spotlight and select the "Privacy" tab.  VoiceOver will say "Prevent Spotlight 
from searching these locations: Click the Add button, or drag a folder or disk 
into the list below."  Navigate to the "Add" button and press it (VO-Space), 
then select your USB drive in the dialog window.  You can use any of the Finder 
keyboard shortcuts to navigate here.  For example, Command-Shift-C will set 
your default directory to your computer, and you can navigate to the list of 
mounted drives or devices to select your USB memory stick, and then press 
return to register the selection.  You can also use the Command-Shift-G "go to 
folder" shortcut here if you know the name of your drive.  I find that my Lexar 
memory stick gets mounted as:
/Volumes/Lexar
and my Crucial memory stick gets mounted as:
/Volumes/Crucial
So I could also have specified my Lexar memory stick in the dialog window that 
appears after pressing the "add" button by pressing Command-Shift-G and then 
typing into the text box:
/Volumes/Crucial
(that's a slash character, followed by the word "Volumes", followed by another 
slash character, followed by the word "Crucial"; Finder is not case sensitive, 
so you do not have to capitalize the "V" in "Volumes" and the "C" in "Crucial" 
as you would if you were typing commands in Terminal.)

I'm not sure that these settings made through the always stick, although I 
haven't had problems with activity from Spotlight indexing once I've applied 
this setup.  I am sure that this works  if you use the Terminal app instead:
1. Command-Shift-U in Finder to go to Utilities
2. Press "t" to navigate to "Terminal"
3. Command-Down arrow or Command-O to open Terminal
4. Type (exactly):
sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/Crucial
and press return to execute this.  You should substitute the path to your USB 
drive, with it's name.  It may not be named for the manufacturer, especially if 
it is not a "brand" memory stick.  I think you may be prompted for your Admin 
password to execute this command.  Steve, I think you have linux background, 
and may be comfortable with this.  I can usually Command-Tab to Terminal to 
execute commands.

Let us know if any of this helps.  (People who are not familiar with command 
line usage might want to skip using the instructions for Terminal.)

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
 
On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:26 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Bill,
> 
> Command-w closes the window. I am not sure that it would be fair to say APple 
> is not interested in fixing the issue. There is a good chance that they are 
> working the issue on their end and has not said anything or they simply do 
> not have sufficient information to determine the underlying cause. I am 
> experiencing an issue with my iPHone that I am pretty sure is or has affected 
> others and I have been working with APple on/off in regards to the problem. 
> THey have not resolved the problem yet, but I do not believe this is because 
> they are not interested in resolving the problem. I can appreciate that at 
> times it seems as though you are being ignored, but on the other hand I do 
> not think this is always the case.
> 
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
> 
>> Here's the workaround I use.  First, turn off VO and then press command q to
>> close that finder window.  Then press command 2 to get into list mode.  For
>> me this problem seems to mostly happen in column view.  Now that you're in
>> list mode, try again.  Let me know if this works.  Apple has shown very
>> little interest in solving this problem.
>> You can also go to the drive on the main finder window.  First, find a file,
>> any file, and copy it to the clipboard.  At the main finder window use the
>> right click menu to call up the paste command.  If you can get any file onto
>> that drive it will then work fine and you canego from there.
>> Let me know if either of these works.
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> BILL HOLTON
>> Email:   b...@bholton.com
>> Direct:  386-624-6309
>> Homepage:www.bholton.com
>> Home Office: 1520 Loughton ST
>>  DeLand, FL  32720
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:25 PM
>> To: macvisionaries
>> Subject: Finder Busy Finder Busy with Empty USB Drives!
>> 
>> I think this is similar to Bill's empty DVD problems but I'm actually
>> wondering what the solution is when I get into these situations.  If I plug
>> in a USB drive which happens to have no files yet, the finder goes into that
>> damn busy stuff and I can't get out of it any way, any how.  I always end up
>> turning off the computer and power back up.  Is there any other

Re: Mirroring a Folder

[Marc Sutton]

This is really helpful. I noticed in the article that it talks about dragging 
the origin and destination paths into the terminal window. Does this work with 
VO? Thanks.
Marc

On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> I used to do this for my itunes folder with rsync in the terminal but then I 
> got tired or it and just copied my whole folder over to the external drive. 
> There is an article on doing this with rsync here:
> 
> http://extrafuture.com/2007/06/07/how-to-back-up-your-itunes-music-with-rsync-on-mac-os-x/
> 
> Nice thing with rsync is it just copies over whatever is newer so after the 
> first round it doesn't take nearly as long. rsync is also network aware so 
> you could copy stuff to a volume on any other computer that supports rsync, 
> which would be any recent OSX machine.
> 
> Could you also accomplish this just with Time Machine?
> 
> CB
> 
> On 4/11/12 5:49 PM, Marc Sutton wrote:
>> Hi List,
>> Has anyone had VoiceOver success with software to mirror a folder to a 
>> harddrive or the reverse? I want to keep my music folder backed up to an 
>> external disc. I have tried File Sync to no avail. Would love to hear 
>> people's recommendations. Thanks.
>> Marc
>> 

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