I don't think it's possible but I'm not a Java expert. My impression was
that it was only available as an installer for each supported platform.
CB
On 4/12/12 1:22 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
they don't. that was the first thing I tried to look for.
-eric
On Apr 12, 2012, at 3:37 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
You might look at the macport or homebrew projects as they sport the building
of many unix packages.
I happen to use homebrew here and have built emacspeak to run on my mac.
Haven't tried java or anyh of that but it might be as simple as entering the
command:
brew jave
and it goes out and gets the necessary dependencies and all that. Like I say,
not sure if they have build scripts for java or not. Might give that a look.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:37:05PM -0700, Eric Oyen wrote:
amending my last email...
I wonder if I can snag the source packages for JDK, JRE and other related
packages from the OpenBSD project ports tree? since both OS X and OpenBSD have
the same genetic OS roots, and the execution environments are essentially the
same from a developer's point of view. This is something I may need to look at.
-eric
On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
I don't use Hotmail but I should clarify that JavaScript and Java are two
different things which, unfortunately, share a similar name. Javascript is an
interpreted language and the engine is baked into each browser so Safari uses
one that is not the same as Chrome. They all adhere to a common standard from
ECMA so some folks refer to it as ECMAScript. Java on the other hand is a
compiled language used to build apps and servers. It has been used in the past
to make 'applets' which run inside the browser but there is really little need
for that anymore and is generally frowned upon as a waste of resources. I doubt
that Hotmail uses any Java in their pages and you can verify this by turning it
off in the Java Preferences utility. I suspect Hotmail, like most other web
apps, is just a boatload of javascript.
That said, I did try logging into a hotmail account and while I found the
navigation and UI painful, Safari didn't crash on me. This was on my laptop
running 10.7 with all the updates. Might be something else throwing things for
a loop. I did get a Safari Busy for about 2 seconds when I first went to the
inbox but that might be because the test account had a lot of spam in it.
CB
On 4/11/12 5:05 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
well folks.
it seems that I have run up against this brick wall. so I started
troubleshooting why hotmail.com causes my browser to crash.
according to the error reporting console in webkit, hotmail.com makes several
calls to javascripts that aren't included with Apple's JRE. this means that
some or all of hotmail may be inaccessible at random times. I even disabled
javascript altogether and found that the entire hotmail site displayed as a
blank scroll area. What this means is that hotmail isn't going to be very
usable for any future versions of javascript on OS X.
also, I try to hit the contact us link and the browser immediately crashes here.
what oracle (owners of sun java) needs to do is enforce some standard that
requires that everyone use supported calls to javascripts. I am so bloody tired
of having to deal with apple centric JRE, microsoft specific java code and the
version that I can get to work in linux (which is a full version).it seems to
me that everyone who uses java code needs to be operating on the same
standards. this would eliminate a lot of problems, especially for us OS X
screen reader users. to give you guys an idea how bad it is, I can't even give
site feedback because their javascript opens a frame that locks you in a loop
trying to fill out the required text fields.
-eric
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