Using Flex pointer in Garage Band?

[Victor Tsaran]

Hello GB users,
I think Flex pointers are not accessible to us in GB but I thought I'd ask here 
in case someone figured work-arounds. Anyone?
Flex pointers allow the user to stretch and compress a particular region, both 
MIDI and audio.

Any ideas?
Thanks,
Vic

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Re: Web Creation and Voice Over

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
This might sound totally stupid, and it probably is, since i was the one who 
actually talked about the program, but since it was quite long ago since i used 
the program, the answer is no, i have forgotten how to use it. One thing i can 
tell you though and it's a very good tip i got from one of my bosses was learn 
the program by looking at its menus. Go to the menu bar with vo+m and look what 
menus you have and what's in the menus, look at the different choises. That way 
you learn how to work a program and you also learn its keyboard shortcuts at 
the same time. Also voiceover-arrow around the windows to see what's there.
That's the only thing i can say and i'm sorry to be of so little help.
/Krister

12 feb 2012 kl. 03:55 skrev Grant Hyde:

> Hi Krister,
> 
> Thank you for the reference.  I'm afraid that I'll need to get a copy of 
> Rapid Weaver for Dummies!  I couldn't figure out how to begin using the 
> program.  Can you describe how to use the products?
> 
> Thanks,
> Grant
> On Feb 11, 2012, at 2:05 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Last time i looked at Rapidweaver it seemed very accessible, it's a bit on 
> the expensive side, but maybe worth looking at. It's a web creation system 
> where you can both use code and wysiwyg style editing. Both worked well as 
> far as i can remember with VO. It's available in the Mac App store.
> /Krister
> 
> 11 feb 2012 kl. 01:31 skrev Eric Oyen:
> 
>> A friend of mine in Kansas (who is also blind and a mac user) uses a simple 
>> text editor (textedit) and writes the raw html. 
>> 
>> if that is not for you, there may be a solution in OpenOffice. that program 
>> can publish web pages. I haven't tried that part of OpenOffice yet as I 
>> don't do a lot of web publishing.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Grant Hyde wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,  I'm new to the Mac and this group.  I'm having trouble finding a web 
>>> creation program that works with Voice Over.  A\Can anyone provide some 
>>> guidance?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Grant Hyde
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iPads in education - introducing kids to iPads for first time

[Someral]

Just a quick question; about to test educational use of iPad with some
children in Gloucestershire, UK.

All visually impaired but also some with other physical and cognitive
impairments. Their age range is from 5 to 12. All of this is with
teacher or parent in attendance.

We were using iPads specifically to test an app called OverLay (which
allows us to integrate swell paper maps and diagrams with the
touchscreen audio) but I would like to know if there is any advice for
introducing children with low vision to iPads?

We have iPds set up and VoiceOver active but just want them to be able
to get comfortable with iPad in most enjoyable way.

Any experience, positive and negative, of using iPads the first time
would be a help.

Thanks,

Alastair

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Re: Removing podcasts from my IPhone 4s

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi Paul

I can't direct you to written instructions but I'll try to put down exactly 
what I do.

By the way, I don't commonly use this gesture with podcasts preferring to use a 
third party podcast catcher. the gesture is a standard IOS one and can be used 
in a number of apps where there is a list of items. You can use it in some text 
editors to delete particular files. 

I checked that it did still work in the current release of IOS 5 with podcasts 
and it does. I could only get it to work about one in three. As I said it's a 
bit tricky. Anyway here we go.

Bring up the list of podcast episodes from which you wish to delete an episode. 

Run your finger down the screen on the left hand side. You should find the 
button to go back to the list of subscribed podcasts at the top. Then the 
search field and then the list of episodes.

Stop when you get to the one you want to delete. The real point of doing this 
is to find where physically on the screen the podcast episode title is located.

Now lift your finger a little and do the pass through gesture. This is where 
you double tap but you hold your finger on the screen after the second tap 
rather than lifting it.  As you hold your finger still you will hear a rising 
three tone sound. As soon as you hear this, quickly swipe your finger to the 
right. Do not lift your finger before doing the swipe and be as careful as 
possible to move straight across the screen. I think this is the difficult 
part. As far as I can tell you need to travel very close to exactly parallel to 
the top of the phone. Imagine you are drawing a line through the written 
podcast episode title.

Now if it worked there will be a button to confirm the deletion. The button 
will appear after the episode you are trying to delete. You can swipe around to 
find this if you like. In swipe order it should be directly after the episode 
in question.

You can just double tap on this button to confirm the delete.

I hope this works for you. 

The pass through gesture is the same one you would use to put your device into 
edit mode when moving apps and deleting them. 

Good luck. 

I would recommend getting a third party podcast app like Downcast. You won't 
have to worry about all this then. That said the pass through and cross out 
gesture is probably one worth learning. You never know when it will be useful.  
You can check out a «quick review I did for the Downcast app at 
http://bit.ly/A9Wvqm


Garth 
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On 12/02/2012, at 5:05 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Garth. First can I do this with VO on? Do I tap the episode and then do 
> the vypass then drag? What is the pass through? Finally, can yu describe 
> exactly what you do and tell me where the instructions are located? Thanks so 
> much.
> 
> On Feb 10, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Garth Humphreys  wrote:
> 
>> This gesture is a little tricky to get right but it does work. 
>> 
>> For best results I find it is easier to find the particular episode you want 
>> to delete by dragging your finger around the screen rather then swiping. 
>> This way you can find where on the screen the podcast episode is. Then do 
>> the passthrough gesture on the left of the screen and swipe right. It's 
>> supposed to be like drawing a line through the episode as though you were 
>> crossing it out.  Once you hav \e performed this, do a swipe to the right to 
>> find the confirm delete button.
>> 
>> I'm not saying you have to do it as I described but this is how I find 
>> deleting things works best for me.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> Garth 
>> @BlindTechMusing
>> 
>> On 11/02/2012, at 3:32 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>> 
>>> Ricardo when I double tap and hold and swipe left or right I don't get the 
>>> delete option. Am I missing a step?
>>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 When on the specific podcast episode, double tap and hold for the pass 
 through gesture.  Then without lifting your finger swipe to the left or 
 right.  This will bring up the confirm deletion button after the episode.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
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> How do I remove podcast episodes from my IPhone while using Voice Over? 
> Thanks so much.
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Re: broadcast to shoutcast server using iphone 3gs?

[Don Breda]

Papaya will do this but I haven't done it.
Initially you think it only supports iceCast but read carefully and they 
do mention  you can use it with shoutcast as well.


Don



On 2/11/2012 2:11 PM, Hank Smith wrote:
hello is there a program that can stream to a shoutcast server using 
iphone 3gs? I am talking about broadcasting directly to a server using 
iphone.
I know there is a icecast one but am trying to find one that works 
with shoutcast.

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Re: Labeling buttons with Lion

[Ed Worrell]

Thank you that is most helpful.
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Printing an invoice from the Apple store?

[Doug Lawlor]

Hello List:
How do I go about printing an invoice from the Apple store? I log into my 
account and successfully see my orders. I click on the Print Invoice link for 
an order but nothing happens. I get no dialogs or anything. Actually what I 
want to do is to generate a PDF of the invoice from the Printer dialog. I have 
no printer attached to this machine.  I know how to generate the PDF but just 
can't get a dialog coming up when I activate the Print Invoice link. 

Thanks in advance, 

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Re: can't get braillesense plus to pare with mac

[matthew Dyer]

Hi,

I have a vs with 6.1 and sl and IO am not able to connect as a drive even 
though disk. drive mode is on  This just stopped working aall of a sudden.  
Very strange.  I hope this will be fixed in 7.0.  Thanks.

Matthew


On Feb 11, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

> I have a bps and got it to work as a display under snow leopard, but had to 
> use the usb connection.  Never could get the bluetooth to work.  Haven't 
> tried yet under lion.  wish they would get off their duffs and write drivers 
> for this stuff!
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 8:27 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Donna,
>> 
>> This happened in the days of leopard and early snow leopard too as I recall. 
>>  I eventually got an old company demo unit to play nice before the company 
>> sold it and took away my toy, but dang, it's disappointing to see they've 
>> broken it again.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
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>> 
>> On 2012-02-08, at 8:14 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> 
>>> I went through this a couple of months ago.  I finally contacted HIMS tech 
>>> support.  Apparently, there is an issue with Lion seeing the BSP driver as 
>>> the BrailleNote driver.  So, to the best of my knowledge, it is not 
>>> possible to pair the BSP with a Mac at this time.  I wrote to Apple 
>>> accessibility about this, but never heard back from them.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 8:04 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,  One of my clients has a new macbook pro OSX lion and an old 
 braillesense plus hwv1.0 swv6.1.  I tried to get these to pare so I could 
 show my client how to use the sense as a braille display and it isn't 
 playing ball.
 
 I've made sure bluetooth is on and msc mode is off.
 Then I turned on termonal for screen readers in utilities.
 Then I went to vo control panel, braille, displays, add bluetooth braille 
 display.
 The braillesense shows up in the table and I press enter on it.
 I gave it the pin , and it said "failed to load driver".
 There-after, it remembered the pin, so I'm assuming it got that much of it 
 right.
 
 I'm not sure where to go from here.  Is there something I'm missing?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Super frustrated trying to read table

[Christine Grassman]

Hi, Esther. Thanks so much for so quickly checking this out for me. The thing 
is, I've already got an auto-delivery set up, and I managed to add to it, but 
want to get rid of something that has been there from the beginning, and I 
can't even find the product listed anywhere to try to put "zero) or simply 
entty the quantity. I've written to them, but of course, not a peep yet. It's 
enough to make one switch to Kurig. :)
On Feb 11, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Christine,
> 
> I tried out that site with Safari 5.1.2 (part of my very recent upgrade to 
> Lion).  Here are a few observations.  If you are selecting Auto Delivery, 
> start out by selecting the quantity on the product page, where you can check 
> availability, select the radio button for auto delivery, and set the quantity 
> before you press the button to add to cart.  When you press the button to add 
> to your cart, you'll hear VoiceOver say "Just added to your cart" "Close".  
> This is a window that comes up that overlays your screen.  If you use item 
> chooser menu (VO-I), and first type "just" then type "but", you'll get "Just 
> added to your cart, close button", "Just added to your cart, checkout 
> button", and "Just added to your cart, continue shopping button".  Choose one 
> of these options.  If you use the checkout button, you should be able to 
> navigate the table of your order.  However,  I tried putting sample product 
> in the cart with default quantity of 1, set the radio button to auto 
> delivery, then got a message that auto delivery required at least a quantity 
> of 2.  Then I tried updating the quantity within the table.  I finally 
> managed to do this, but there's a problem because the button to update the 
> changes you make to quantity is not labeled.  After the last row of your 
> order, you'll hear voice over say something like "row 4 PRODUCT spans 5 
> columns button column 1".  That unlabeled button turns out to be the one that 
> you need to press to update your changes to quantity.  That's why I said it's 
> easier to start by setting the quantity when you make your original product 
> selection, rather than trying to change it.  However, if you use item chooser 
> menu to navigate to the "Just added to your cart, checkout button" so you can 
> press it, you should be able to read and navigate the table for your order.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Feb 11, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> 
>> Hello all. I am in one of those "about to toss this thing out the window" 
>> moods. I have tried reading the information on a table using Safari and 
>> Google Chrome, something I normally have no trouble doing. I am wondering if 
>> it is the site, but in every other way, the site seems accessible. It is
>> http://www.tassimo.com
>> I am attempting to modify an auto delivery order, but cannot read the cells 
>> in the table, and can only seem to find options to change the frequency or 
>> ship date of an order, rather than change the quantity of products. I can 
>> only read the frequency of the order -- no other cell information is 
>> accessible. Any ideas? Thanks much.
>> Christine
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Re: broadcast to shoutcast server using iphone 3gs?

[Hank Smith]

Hello I didn't see that will give that another look over, is there a 
podcast that I can listen to as well to help me out with it?

I thaught there was but I can't find the podcast.
Hank
On 2/12/2012 5:55 AM, Don Breda wrote:

Papaya will do this but I haven't done it.
Initially you think it only supports iceCast but read carefully and 
they do mention  you can use it with shoutcast as well.


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hello is there a program that can stream to a shoutcast server using 
iphone 3gs? I am talking about broadcasting directly to a server 
using iphone.
I know there is a icecast one but am trying to find one that works 
with shoutcast.

Hank






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Re: Web Creation and Voice Over

[Grant Hyde]

On the contrary, I appreciate your help and thank you for your advice.  I'll 
keep looking.  I'm amazed that more VO user aren't in need of a web creation 
tool that is easy to work with.

Grant
On Feb 12, 2012, at 2:38 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi,
This might sound totally stupid, and it probably is, since i was the one who 
actually talked about the program, but since it was quite long ago since i used 
the program, the answer is no, i have forgotten how to use it. One thing i can 
tell you though and it's a very good tip i got from one of my bosses was learn 
the program by looking at its menus. Go to the menu bar with vo+m and look what 
menus you have and what's in the menus, look at the different choises. That way 
you learn how to work a program and you also learn its keyboard shortcuts at 
the same time. Also voiceover-arrow around the windows to see what's there.
That's the only thing i can say and i'm sorry to be of so little help.
/Krister

12 feb 2012 kl. 03:55 skrev Grant Hyde:

> Hi Krister,
> 
> Thank you for the reference.  I'm afraid that I'll need to get a copy of 
> Rapid Weaver for Dummies!  I couldn't figure out how to begin using the 
> program.  Can you describe how to use the products?
> 
> Thanks,
> Grant
> On Feb 11, 2012, at 2:05 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Last time i looked at Rapidweaver it seemed very accessible, it's a bit on 
> the expensive side, but maybe worth looking at. It's a web creation system 
> where you can both use code and wysiwyg style editing. Both worked well as 
> far as i can remember with VO. It's available in the Mac App store.
> /Krister
> 
> 11 feb 2012 kl. 01:31 skrev Eric Oyen:
> 
>> A friend of mine in Kansas (who is also blind and a mac user) uses a simple 
>> text editor (textedit) and writes the raw html. 
>> 
>> if that is not for you, there may be a solution in OpenOffice. that program 
>> can publish web pages. I haven't tried that part of OpenOffice yet as I 
>> don't do a lot of web publishing.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Grant Hyde wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,  I'm new to the Mac and this group.  I'm having trouble finding a web 
>>> creation program that works with Voice Over.  A\Can anyone provide some 
>>> guidance?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Grant Hyde
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Re: Printing an invoice from the Apple store?

[John Panarese]

 Two things that come to mind.  I know that I have had situations where the 
printer dialog does not come up to take VO focus.  Did you try doing a Window 
Chooser check with VO-F2 twice?

Also, when you placed the order, Apple sends you an invoice via email.  I 
usually print mine when I receive the email, as it's just easier.

Take Care

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> Hello List:
> How do I go about printing an invoice from the Apple store? I log into my 
> account and successfully see my orders. I click on the Print Invoice link for 
> an order but nothing happens. I get no dialogs or anything. Actually what I 
> want to do is to generate a PDF of the invoice from the Printer dialog. I 
> have no printer attached to this machine.  I know how to generate the PDF but 
> just can't get a dialog coming up when I activate the Print Invoice link. 
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> 
> Doug
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PDFPen

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys.
It was suggested to me that I get a program from the AP Store called PDFpen. 
After looking at it, I got the pro version because the other didn't seem to 
have what I wanted. 

Now this program seems to be a better PDF reader than Preview. However, I can't 
seem to get it to do the one thing I wanted, which what every sighted person 
can do, fill out the form I called up. 

I was kind of afraid of this when I got it. Has anybody used this program 
(which seems to work fine with VoiceOver if you want to create a PDF file.) 

Gigi, who is beginning to hate PDF files and who is having a bad accessibility 
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Re: How do I put Skype on my Mac?

[Jennifer Perdue]

Thanks, going to try it now.

Wish me luck.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Feb 11, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> Jenny:
> 
> You can download Skype for Mac OSX from the skype.com page.  Once it 
> downloads, open the Skype.dmg file you'll find in your Downloads folder and 
> copy the "Skype.app," file to the applications folder (~/applications).  Let 
> me know if you need further help with it.
> 
> 
> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
> • My home page:
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Re: PDFPen

[Scott Howell]

Please write to the developers. I have ben working with them on this and the 
more folks they know want such functionality the more likely it will be 
addressed sooner than later.
They are aware of the accessibility issues and trying to balance all of their 
priorities, so let them know.

On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> It was suggested to me that I get a program from the AP Store called PDFpen. 
> After looking at it, I got the pro version because the other didn't seem to 
> have what I wanted. 
> 
> Now this program seems to be a better PDF reader than Preview. However, I 
> can't seem to get it to do the one thing I wanted, which what every sighted 
> person can do, fill out the form I called up. 
> 
> I was kind of afraid of this when I got it. Has anybody used this program 
> (which seems to work fine with VoiceOver if you want to create a PDF file.) 
> 
> Gigi, who is beginning to hate PDF files and who is having a bad 
> accessibility day
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Re: PDFPen

[Gigi]

Hi Scott
Okay, I will do that. I guess that means I need to keep the program, with the 
hope that they will get it fixed.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Scott Howell  wrote:

> Please write to the developers. I have ben working with them on this and the 
> more folks they know want such functionality the more likely it will be 
> addressed sooner than later.
> They are aware of the accessibility issues and trying to balance all of their 
> priorities, so let them know.
> 
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys.
>> It was suggested to me that I get a program from the AP Store called PDFpen. 
>> After looking at it, I got the pro version because the other didn't seem to 
>> have what I wanted. 
>> 
>> Now this program seems to be a better PDF reader than Preview. However, I 
>> can't seem to get it to do the one thing I wanted, which what every sighted 
>> person can do, fill out the form I called up. 
>> 
>> I was kind of afraid of this when I got it. Has anybody used this program 
>> (which seems to work fine with VoiceOver if you want to create a PDF file.) 
>> 
>> Gigi, who is beginning to hate PDF files and who is having a bad 
>> accessibility day
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Re: PDFPen

[Eugenia Firth]

Ok, Scott. I just did it, wrote to the developers. I told them that if any 
group of people needed a PDF program form completer, it was us. We'll see what 
they write back. Anybody want me to post whatever they write back, good or bad?


Regards,
Gigi
On Feb 12, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Please write to the developers. I have ben working with them on this and the 
> more folks they know want such functionality the more likely it will be 
> addressed sooner than later.
> They are aware of the accessibility issues and trying to balance all of their 
> priorities, so let them know.
> 
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys.
>> It was suggested to me that I get a program from the AP Store called PDFpen. 
>> After looking at it, I got the pro version because the other didn't seem to 
>> have what I wanted. 
>> 
>> Now this program seems to be a better PDF reader than Preview. However, I 
>> can't seem to get it to do the one thing I wanted, which what every sighted 
>> person can do, fill out the form I called up. 
>> 
>> I was kind of afraid of this when I got it. Has anybody used this program 
>> (which seems to work fine with VoiceOver if you want to create a PDF file.) 
>> 
>> Gigi, who is beginning to hate PDF files and who is having a bad 
>> accessibility day
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Re: How do I put Skype on my Mac?

[Jennifer Perdue]

Where will I find Growl?  I thought I saw it in the app store.  Is that right?

Thanks for your help.

Jenny and my goofy gide Brooks
On Feb 11, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> all you need to do is go to Skype.com and download the client. then you can 
> open the dmg file and copy the Skype application to your applications folder. 
> then start up and fill in the username/password. one thing though, Skype 5.x 
> is hard to use in some respects. you will need growl installed to be able to 
> automatically read chats when they happen. I use Skype 2.8 simply because the 
> 5.x interface is a nightmare for me. 
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Feb 11, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've used Skype on windows but never a mac.  Do I go to some website to 
>> download it and if so which site?  If not, where do I get it from and what 
>> app will I need to use it most easily.  
>> 
>> Thank you all in advance.
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> On Feb 11, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> o prNble, I just wanted to be sure I did not misunderstand you.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 Oh sorry, I get your point, when I was doing this, for me it was just so I 
 knew that the music was there so when it said local, it meant the music 
 was on my drive and so you are right in what you say!
 
 On 12 Feb 2012, at 12:22 AM, Scott Howell  wrote:
 
> Kawal,
> 
> I was a little confused when you said that if the track said "local" 
> meant it was in the cloud and "download" meant you could download the 
> file. As I understand, "local" indicated it is on your local drive and 
> "Download" means it is not on your local drive, but is in the cloud. 
> Perhaps I misunderstood? At least for me "local" means just that and the 
> track is on my drive. I just went through a substantial cleanup of a 
> totally unattended mess. :)
> 
> On Feb 11, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Hello Everyone.
>> 
>> This may be a long mail so delete if you do not want to read.
>> 
>> From time to time, we all have trouble with our music in our Itunes 
>> Library as I had recently.
>> 
>> To cut a story short, I had purchased a lot of music from Itunes using 
>> my I phone 4S due to the fact I was at work and feeling a bit bored with 
>> what I was doing.  (Sh) do not tell the boss.  I was finding that all my 
>> purchased items were not showing on my I phone 4S so I must have reset 
>> my phone half a dozen times and this kept happening that all my music 
>> was not showing.
>> 
>> So today, I was talking to someone who has used the Mac for years with 
>> Voice Over and they were explaining how all his music was in the Cloud.  
>> Prior to that, I had gone in Itunes to the Store tab to view my account 
>> information.  Purely by accident, I was checking that my Icloud was on 
>> and my Icloud Match was on too. So I kept arrowing across and I came to 
>> a tab called add devices to my I Cloud and it asked me if I wanted to 
>> add my Mac Book Pro which I duly did.  Voice Over informed me that now 
>> all my music would be uploaded to the Cloud on my Mac.  I then thought 
>> that this would mean I did not have to sync my I phone 4S with Itunes to 
>> get my music.
>> 
>> So again I deleted all my content off the phone and set my phone up 
>> again.  Whilst I was doing that, a friend of mine said that I should 
>> make sure all my music was uploaded to the Cloud.  So he told me to do 
>> command J on my Mac as more columns would be shown where my music table 
>> was.  I could check and uncheck the columns and two of the columns were 
>> important, I Cloud status and whether each song was matched or not.  
>> Once I had set up my columns, I went to each track in my music library 
>> and next to each track it either said download or local.  If it said 
>> Local, then it was in the Cloud.  If it said Download then it meant that 
>> I had to press the VO space bar to start the download.  If I then went 
>> to the right with VO right arrow, then the Icloud status would say 
>> matched, purchased.  So I went down the column with VO down arrow and 
>> made sure all the column was showing purchased, uploaded or matched.
>> 
>> So now I have aperfect library where I do not have to sync my I phone to 
>> as I only sync my podcasts, Apps and books.
>> 
>> Also, you can select all your music table, and do command I, go to the 
>> option tab, and slide your volume up to 100% and so when your music is 
>> played it's at maximum volume.
>> 
>> I do not know if this information is useful to anyone but now I'm hassle 
>> free from worrying about my I phone 4S being filled up too quick.  It 
>> even downloads the next tra

Re: Anyone Using Google Chrome with VO?

[Caitlyn Furness]

Mike, how do you disable chrome box and then tur it back on again when you want?

Thanks,
Caitlyn

On Feb 7, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> It work well with voice over, but there are a few issues. Voiceover does not 
> see lists, such as what you might find on some email sites. Also, pressing vo 
> shift u to hear the location of a link does not work. I have also seen times 
> where using voiceover to click links does not work, but this only happens 
> sometimes. Over all chrome is good to have around, you can also install 
> chromevox and enable and disable it as you wish.
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:39 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> Upon a cursory look at vO with Google chrome, I notice no major 
>> accessibility booboos. Does anyone else use VO successfully with this app? 
>> I'm finding that I don't really care to use a separate voicing app for one 
>> particular web browser, because I have to turn off VO, and turn it back on 
>> when switching windows, and also, the two text-to-speech chrome extensions, 
>> Chromevox and MetalMouth, do not work in parts of the browser other than the 
>> page content.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
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Re: Super frustrated trying to read table

[Esther]

Hi Christine,
What I found for the tassimo site is that when you add an item to your cart, 
there is a "Just added to your cart" window that comes up that only contains 
details about the item you just added.  It doesn't show up as a second window 
if you check with window chooser menu (VO-F2). So if there are other items in 
your cart that you are trying to remove, you won't be able to view them until 
you use one of the buttons associated with that window to exit it.  The only 
clue that this window is up is that VoiceOver says "Close" just after 
announcing "Just added to your cart" once you press the button to add an item 
to your cart. This is why I used item chooser menu to try to navigate to other 
elements in that window -- specifically, to try to at least close it.  Typing 
"just" after using VO-I lists items which include "Just added to your cart".  
Continuing by typing "but" after that refines that list to give you the items 
that are buttons for the "Just added to the cart" window.  

If you want to get to the full cart, you need to navigate to the "Just added to 
your cart, checkout button" and press it (VO-Space).  Can you find a button 
like that on your screen?  Until you press that button you will not be able to 
view or modify any items in your shopping cart apart from the item you just 
added to your cart.  Pressing that button should take you to the screen with 
the full shopping cart contents.  You should be able to navigate the table and 
check boxes to remove items that you don't want.  The total may update 
correctly if you simply remove items.  However, if you change the quantity of 
items in the table for the full shopping cart, you won't be able to get them to 
update unless you press the unlabeled button for updating the shopping cart.  
It will be on the row of the table after your last shopping cart item, and 
VoiceOver will says something about "spans 5 columns button column 1" after 
announcing the row.

HTH.  By the way, I didn't check by changing my settings, but I'm using DOM 
mode and have set all my cursors tracking, and have mouse moves VoiceOver 
cursor under the navigation options of VoiceOver utility.  This isn't my usual 
set up -- especially the mouse moves VO cursor.  I just got through checking 
the "Find My iPhone" page under Safari 5.1.2 so was trying different settings 
to improve the navigation experience.

Cheers,

Esther
 
On Feb 12, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> Hi, Esther. Thanks so much for so quickly checking this out for me. The thing 
> is, I've already got an auto-delivery set up, and I managed to add to it, but 
> want to get rid of something that has been there from the beginning, and I 
> can't even find the product listed anywhere to try to put "zero) or simply 
> entty the quantity. I've written to them, but of course, not a peep yet. It's 
> enough to make one switch to Kurig. :)
> On Feb 11, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Christine,
>> 
>> I tried out that site with Safari 5.1.2 (part of my very recent upgrade to 
>> Lion).  Here are a few observations.  If you are selecting Auto Delivery, 
>> start out by selecting the quantity on the product page, where you can check 
>> availability, select the radio button for auto delivery, and set the 
>> quantity before you press the button to add to cart.  When you press the 
>> button to add to your cart, you'll hear VoiceOver say "Just added to your 
>> cart" "Close".  This is a window that comes up that overlays your screen.  
>> If you use item chooser menu (VO-I), and first type "just" then type "but", 
>> you'll get "Just added to your cart, close button", "Just added to your 
>> cart, checkout button", and "Just added to your cart, continue shopping 
>> button".  Choose one of these options.  If you use the checkout button, you 
>> should be able to navigate the table of your order.  However,  I tried 
>> putting sample product in the cart with default quantity of 1, set the radio 
>> button to auto delivery, then got a message that auto delivery required at 
>> least a quantity of 2.  Then I tried updating the quantity within the table. 
>>  I finally managed to do this, but there's a problem because the button to 
>> update the changes you make to quantity is not labeled.  After the last row 
>> of your order, you'll hear voice over say something like "row 4 PRODUCT 
>> spans 5 columns button column 1".  That unlabeled button turns out to be the 
>> one that you need to press to update your changes to quantity.  That's why I 
>> said it's easier to start by setting the quantity when you make your 
>> original product selection, rather than trying to change it.  However, if 
>> you use item chooser menu to navigate to the "Just added to your cart, 
>> checkout button" so you can press it, you should be able to read and 
>> navigate the table for your order.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hell

Recommendation for extended keyboard.

[Frank Tom]

I didn't get a response to  what's wrong with the extended keyboard my friend 
got, so, I will ask another question.

What is the best extended keyboard out there, either wireless or usb, for the 
blind mac user.

I personally like the bluetooth keyboard that came with my five year old I Mac. 
 Unfortunately, Apple doesn't make this one any more.

He needs something with some heft to it so it gives good, tactile feedback. To 
help myself, I stick little bumpers on the G and H keys and the F4 and F8 keys 
to make finding the home row easier. 

What do you use?

Tom 

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Re: PDFPen

[Scott Howell]

You do what makes sense for you. If  you want to keep it then do so, but if you 
want to get your money back because it is not accessible, then I would.

On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Gigi wrote:

> Hi Scott
> Okay, I will do that. I guess that means I need to keep the program, with the 
> hope that they will get it fixed.
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Scott Howell  wrote:
> 
>> Please write to the developers. I have ben working with them on this and the 
>> more folks they know want such functionality the more likely it will be 
>> addressed sooner than later.
>> They are aware of the accessibility issues and trying to balance all of 
>> their priorities, so let them know.
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys.
>>> It was suggested to me that I get a program from the AP Store called 
>>> PDFpen. After looking at it, I got the pro version because the other didn't 
>>> seem to have what I wanted. 
>>> 
>>> Now this program seems to be a better PDF reader than Preview. However, I 
>>> can't seem to get it to do the one thing I wanted, which what every sighted 
>>> person can do, fill out the form I called up. 
>>> 
>>> I was kind of afraid of this when I got it. Has anybody used this program 
>>> (which seems to work fine with VoiceOver if you want to create a PDF file.) 
>>> 
>>> Gigi, who is beginning to hate PDF files and who is having a bad 
>>> accessibility day
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Re: Recommendation for extended keyboard.

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I had that Apple USB keyboard with the num pad and had no problem with the 
function keys.  Could he just have gotten a defective keyboard?

Ricardo Walker
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On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Frank Tom wrote:

> I didn't get a response to  what's wrong with the extended keyboard my friend 
> got, so, I will ask another question.
> 
> What is the best extended keyboard out there, either wireless or usb, for the 
> blind mac user.
> 
> I personally like the bluetooth keyboard that came with my five year old I 
> Mac.  Unfortunately, Apple doesn't make this one any more.
> 
> He needs something with some heft to it so it gives good, tactile feedback. 
> To help myself, I stick little bumpers on the G and H keys and the F4 and F8 
> keys to make finding the home row easier. 
> 
> What do you use?
> 
> Tom 
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Re: Anyone Using Google Chrome with VO?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

you have to disable it in preferences.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

> Mike, how do you disable chrome box and then tur it back on again when you 
> want?
> 
> Thanks,
> Caitlyn
> 
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> It work well with voice over, but there are a few issues. Voiceover does not 
>> see lists, such as what you might find on some email sites. Also, pressing 
>> vo shift u to hear the location of a link does not work. I have also seen 
>> times where using voiceover to click links does not work, but this only 
>> happens sometimes. Over all chrome is good to have around, you can also 
>> install chromevox and enable and disable it as you wish.
>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:39 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, all,
>>> 
>>> Upon a cursory look at vO with Google chrome, I notice no major 
>>> accessibility booboos. Does anyone else use VO successfully with this app? 
>>> I'm finding that I don't really care to use a separate voicing app for one 
>>> particular web browser, because I have to turn off VO, and turn it back on 
>>> when switching windows, and also, the two text-to-speech chrome extensions, 
>>> Chromevox and MetalMouth, do not work in parts of the browser other than 
>>> the page content.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Teresa
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Re: Recommendation for extended keyboard.

[Esther]

Hi Tom,

I suspect that you didn't get a response to your post about the extended 
keyboard either because others haven't experienced  problems with the F keys or 
because many of the list readers are not typing on extended keyboards.

I've only typed extensively on Mac laptop keyboards, and I don't have a problem 
with the lower profile, chiclet key design, so this recommendation is based on 
matching your preferences and background to the product in responding to your 
request for "the best extended keyboard out there, either wireless or usb, for 
the blind mac user." 

Try checking out the Matias Tactile Pro 3 keyboard:

This is a full-size USB keyboard that uses ALPS keyboard switches.  It's the 
third generation of this keyboard, and if you liked the feel of the older Apple 
Bluetooth keyboard you will probably like this design.  Even better, since you 
mentioned in previous posts that you can easily get to Small Dog Electronics, 
you can go there to buy/try out the keyboard.  There's a review posted on the 
Small Dog from someone who bought this as a replacement keyboard for his 
mother, after she found the keys on Apple Extended Keyboard (that he loved) to 
be too flat and too quiet. Here's a quote:

"This keyboard is very similar to the original Apple Keyboard that came with my 
first eMac.  The keys are easily distinguishable, and the entire keyboard is 
built very sturdy.  While the click of the keys is not nearly as loud as a 
manual type writer, you definitely know when each key is hit. There are also 
three non-powered USB ports located directly on the keyboard, which is nice for 
peripherals or the flash drives she swaps photographs on with my Aunts and 
Uncles. I also know Matias as a reasonable company that stands behind their 
products and honors their warranties if anything goes wrong with the keyboard 
down the line. This is especially important when spending $139.99 on a 
keyboard."  

For a more extensive and detailed review of this keyboard, check out the 
TidBITS article by Adam Engst:
• "Matias Tactile Pro 3 Keyboard Returns to the Alps" 18 August 2010:

I'll excerpt a few bits from the intro and the end of the article.  The author 
got the first version of the Matias Tactile Pro keyboard when it first appeared 
in 2004.

Over six years ago, I reviewed the original Tactile Pro keyboard from Matias, 
and I think my article's title summarized things nicely - "The Majestic Alps 
and the King of Keyboards" (29 March 2004). Put simply, the Tactile Pro was the 
best keyboard I had used in a very long time, in the genre of loud, clicky 
keyboards with great tactile feel. I don't run any software that records how 
many keystrokes I type, but it's a lot, and I had basically typed that keyboard 
into the ground. In fact, I typed two of them into oblivion, since Edgar Matias 
had initially sent me a prototype without a case, and after a key failed on the 
production unit that I reviewed, I shoehorned the prototype into the production 
unit's case and used it for another few years.


If you know you like clicky keyboards with that old-school feel, and you're in 
the market for a new one, you won't go wrong with the Tactile Pro 3. It's not 
cheap as keyboards go, but there's a reason that cheap keyboards rely on cheap 
rubber dome keyswitches instead of the Tactile Pro's precision Alps 
keyswitches. The keyboard has a 1-year warranty, and from what I've heard from 
customers, Matias has been great about replacing defective keyboards.


Matias is a Canadian company, but this keyboard is sold internationally.  You 
can order directly from them and get keyboards in the US, UK, German, or 
Japanese layout.  You can also order from Amazon and other sources (like Small 
Dog Electronics), or you can check the resellers link on their web page to find 
local distributor agents across the world.

Matias also makes a folding Bluetooth keyboard with NumPad and extended keys.  
However, because it is an extended keyboard, when folded it's about the same 
size as the Apple Wireless Keyboard.  This also does not have keys with large 
travel, since it has to fold flat, but it does support recent Mac computers and 
iOS devices.  MacAlly makes a BTKey keyboard that is full-sized and that 
supports recent Mac OS X versions and iOS devices.  This is a slightly older 
model (available when the first generation iPads were released, and tested for 
use with those devices), and the keys have larger travel than the current Apple 
Bluetooth keyboards.  I'd check on the compatibility of F-key support for media 
functions.  Again, I haven't used these keyboards personally and have only read 
reviews.  Don't confuse the MacAlly BTKey full-sized keyboard with their newer 
BTKey mini keyboard. As with the Matias products, you can find the MacAlly 
keyboards on Amazon, and I believe Small Dog Electronics may also stock this. 

HTH.  Cheers,

Est

Re: Anyone Using Google Chrome with VO?

[Caitlyn Furness]

Oh, thanks Ricardo..  lol, duh, I shoulda checked there first!

Cait

On Feb 12, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> you have to disable it in preferences.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
> 
>> Mike, how do you disable chrome box and then tur it back on again when you 
>> want?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>>> It work well with voice over, but there are a few issues. Voiceover does 
>>> not see lists, such as what you might find on some email sites. Also, 
>>> pressing vo shift u to hear the location of a link does not work. I have 
>>> also seen times where using voiceover to click links does not work, but 
>>> this only happens sometimes. Over all chrome is good to have around, you 
>>> can also install chromevox and enable and disable it as you wish.
>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:39 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, all,
 
 Upon a cursory look at vO with Google chrome, I notice no major 
 accessibility booboos. Does anyone else use VO successfully with this app? 
 I'm finding that I don't really care to use a separate voicing app for one 
 particular web browser, because I have to turn off VO, and turn it back on 
 when switching windows, and also, the two text-to-speech chrome 
 extensions, Chromevox and MetalMouth, do not work in parts of the browser 
 other than the page content.
 
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Re: Anyone Using Google Chrome with VO?

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Caitlyn!
Its not that bad  you do not have to use a wrestler move on it! A Shoulder 
check is a bit to much! hahahahahaha :]
Colin

On 12 Feb 2012, at 22:44, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

> Oh, thanks Ricardo..  lol, duh, I shoulder checked there first!
> 
> Cait
> 
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> you have to disable it in preferences.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike, how do you disable chrome box and then tur it back on again when you 
>>> want?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> 
 It work well with voice over, but there are a few issues. Voiceover does 
 not see lists, such as what you might find on some email sites. Also, 
 pressing vo shift u to hear the location of a link does not work. I have 
 also seen times where using voiceover to click links does not work, but 
 this only happens sometimes. Over all chrome is good to have around, you 
 can also install chromevox and enable and disable it as you wish.
 On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:39 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 
> Hi, all,
> 
> Upon a cursory look at vO with Google chrome, I notice no major 
> accessibility booboos. Does anyone else use VO successfully with this 
> app? I'm finding that I don't really care to use a separate voicing app 
> for one particular web browser, because I have to turn off VO, and turn 
> it back on when switching windows, and also, the two text-to-speech 
> chrome extensions, Chromevox and MetalMouth, do not work in parts of the 
> browser other than the page content.
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
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Re: Anyone Using Google Chrome with VO?

[Caitlyn Furness]

*chuckles*

thanks for your snow, buddy!  Too bad I can't turn the cold off in preferences, 
too!

Cait

On Feb 12, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi Caitlyn!
> Its not that bad  you do not have to use a wrestler move on it! A Shoulder 
> check is a bit to much! hahahahahaha :]
> Colin
> 
> On 12 Feb 2012, at 22:44, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
> 
>> Oh, thanks Ricardo..  lol, duh, I shoulder checked there first!
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> you have to disable it in preferences.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
>>> 
 Mike, how do you disable chrome box and then tur it back on again when you 
 want?
 
 Thanks,
 Caitlyn
 
 On Feb 7, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
> It work well with voice over, but there are a few issues. Voiceover does 
> not see lists, such as what you might find on some email sites. Also, 
> pressing vo shift u to hear the location of a link does not work. I have 
> also seen times where using voiceover to click links does not work, but 
> this only happens sometimes. Over all chrome is good to have around, you 
> can also install chromevox and enable and disable it as you wish.
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:39 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> Upon a cursory look at vO with Google chrome, I notice no major 
>> accessibility booboos. Does anyone else use VO successfully with this 
>> app? I'm finding that I don't really care to use a separate voicing app 
>> for one particular web browser, because I have to turn off VO, and turn 
>> it back on when switching windows, and also, the two text-to-speech 
>> chrome extensions, Chromevox and MetalMouth, do not work in parts of the 
>> browser other than the page content.
>> 
>> Thanks,
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Major Finder Problem Caused by Dropbox!

[Steve Holmes]

I just installed Dropbox this afternoon on my new mac mini.  I thought
it installed OK and it even synced up my files from the host but now I
constantly get "Finder busy" all the time whenever I open *ANY* window
in the finder! At this point, the Finder is completely useless while
the Dropbox app is running.  If I go into my login preferences and
remove Dropbox from the startup list and log back in, I can use the
finder like always.  As soon as I launch Dropbox from the
applications folder or allow it to run at login, Finder goes to hell
in a handbag!

Has anyone else experienced thins kind of thing? 

Note, I am using a mac mini without a monitor connected.  I surely
hope this isn't also going to be a problem like the auto starting of
VO when no monitor is connected.

Hey, I really want to use Dropbox but this performance hit is a show
stopper for me.

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Possible bug in Lion

[Bill Holton]

Hi.

To save precious USB connections on my Mac Mini I used a usb hub to connect
both my mouse and my PC style keyboard to my Mini.  Both the mouse and
keyboard work fine in this configuration, the only problem is every time I
restart the  computer  I have to remap the Windows/Alt keys to the
Option/command layout that is more traditional because Lion seems to be
losing these settings.

 

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Re: Possible bug in Lion

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I believe that Apple discourages connecting keyboards through USB hubs.  In the 
past, such a configuration could actually cause significant erratic behaviour 
and sometimes other very undesirable OS difficulties.  This was years ago so 
it's possible that things have changed but I would recommend that you always 
leave the keyboard connected directly and use the USB hub for non-essential 
devices.

Later...

On 2012-02-12, at 7:09 PM, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> To save precious USB connections on my Mac Mini I used a usb hub to connect 
> both my mouse and my PC style keyboard to my Mini.  Both the mouse and 
> keyboard work fine in this configuration, the only problem is every time I 
> restart the  computer  I have to remap the Windows/Alt keys to the 
> Option/command layout that is more traditional because Lion seems to be 
> losing these settings.
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Re: Major Finder Problem Caused by Dropbox!

[Ray Foret Jr]

Without a Monitor?  Ah, that's your trouble.  connect either a monitor or else 
at least the cable.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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On Feb 12, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> I just installed Dropbox this afternoon on my new mac mini.  I thought
> it installed OK and it even synced up my files from the host but now I
> constantly get "Finder busy" all the time whenever I open *ANY* window
> in the finder! At this point, the Finder is completely useless while
> the Dropbox app is running.  If I go into my login preferences and
> remove Dropbox from the startup list and log back in, I can use the
> finder like always.  As soon as I launch Dropbox from the
> applications folder or allow it to run at login, Finder goes to hell
> in a handbag!
> 
> Has anyone else experienced thins kind of thing? 
> 
> Note, I am using a mac mini without a monitor connected.  I surely
> hope this isn't also going to be a problem like the auto starting of
> VO when no monitor is connected.
> 
> Hey, I really want to use Dropbox but this performance hit is a show
> stopper for me.
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RE: Major Finder Problem Caused by Dropbox!

[Bill Holton]

Hey Steve.

I missed your original email.  Can you send me a message off list?  I have
been trying ot deal with Apple for six months on this problem.  

bill32...@gmail.com

 

 

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Without a Monitor?  Ah, that's your trouble.  connect either a monitor or
else at least the cable.

 

 

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On Feb 12, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:





I just installed Dropbox this afternoon on my new mac mini.  I thought
it installed OK and it even synced up my files from the host but now I
constantly get "Finder busy" all the time whenever I open *ANY* window
in the finder! At this point, the Finder is completely useless while
the Dropbox app is running.  If I go into my login preferences and
remove Dropbox from the startup list and log back in, I can use the
finder like always.  As soon as I launch Dropbox from the
applications folder or allow it to run at login, Finder goes to hell
in a handbag!

Has anyone else experienced thins kind of thing? 

Note, I am using a mac mini without a monitor connected.  I surely
hope this isn't also going to be a problem like the auto starting of
VO when no monitor is connected.

Hey, I really want to use Dropbox but this performance hit is a show
stopper for me.

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RE: Possible bug in Lion

[Bill Holton]

Yes, mini has four usb ports, so keyboard, mouse, tv tuner card, USB
harddrive, Superdrive, oops, that's five. Seven, if you count the fact theTV
card  won't work without a direct connection and it blocks two ports because
they designed it for the laptops, not the mini.  Sigh, I am really getting
sick of a lot of Apple's s&**t.

Major problem for six months they can't solve, now they don't even
acknowledge me.

 

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Possible bug in Lion

 

Hi,

 

I believe that Apple discourages connecting keyboards through USB hubs.  In
the past, such a configuration could actually cause significant erratic
behaviour and sometimes other very undesirable OS difficulties.  This was
years ago so it's possible that things have changed but I would recommend
that you always leave the keyboard connected directly and use the USB hub
for non-essential devices.

 

Later...

 

On 2012-02-12, at 7:09 PM, Bill Holton wrote:





Hi.

To save precious USB connections on my Mac Mini I used a usb hub to connect
both my mouse and my PC style keyboard to my Mini.  Both the mouse and
keyboard work fine in this configuration, the only problem is every time I
restart the  computer  I have to remap the Windows/Alt keys to the
Option/command layout that is more traditional because Lion seems to be
losing these settings.

 

 

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Re: Possible bug in Lion

[Steve Holmes]

I have a similar problem when I reboot, I have to turn my function
keys back on to software instead of the default hardware.  this is
when I use a blue tooth keyboard.  I don't think it was a problem with
my wired keyboard but when I started using an Apple blue tooth
keyboard, this started happening.  Anyone else notice this?  I would
like to write an applescript maybe that can force this back on for me
if they won't fix it.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:42:37PM -0500, Bill Holton wrote:
> Yes, mini has four usb ports, so keyboard, mouse, tv tuner card, USB
> harddrive, Superdrive, oops, that's five. Seven, if you count the fact theTV
> card  won't work without a direct connection and it blocks two ports because
> they designed it for the laptops, not the mini.  Sigh, I am really getting
> sick of a lot of Apple's s&**t.
> 
> Major problem for six months they can't solve, now they don't even
> acknowledge me.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Possible bug in Lion
> 
>  
> 
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I believe that Apple discourages connecting keyboards through USB hubs.  In
> the past, such a configuration could actually cause significant erratic
> behaviour and sometimes other very undesirable OS difficulties.  This was
> years ago so it's possible that things have changed but I would recommend
> that you always leave the keyboard connected directly and use the USB hub
> for non-essential devices.
> 
>  
> 
> Later...
> 
>  
> 
> On 2012-02-12, at 7:09 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi.
> 
> To save precious USB connections on my Mac Mini I used a usb hub to connect
> both my mouse and my PC style keyboard to my Mini.  Both the mouse and
> keyboard work fine in this configuration, the only problem is every time I
> restart the  computer  I have to remap the Windows/Alt keys to the
> Option/command layout that is more traditional because Lion seems to be
> losing these settings.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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> Tim Kilburn
> 
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> 
>  
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Re: Possible bug in Lion

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I understand your frustration although it is fairly common practice, at least 
in my experience, for primary I/O devices like a keyboard to be directly 
connected.  In your situation, I suggest you plug the keyboard into the Mini, 
the mouse into the keyboard, the Tuner into its required two ports, thus 
leaving one for your USB hub.  Your external HD shouldn't have any issues 
connecting through a hub.  Give it a try and see if your keyboard settings are 
retained.

Later...

On 2012-02-12, at 8:42 PM, Bill Holton wrote:

> Yes, mini has four usb ports, so keyboard, mouse, tv tuner card, USB 
> harddrive, Superdrive, oops, that’s five. Seven, if you count the fact theTV 
> card  won’t work without a direct connection and it blocks two ports because 
> they designed it for the laptops, not the mini.  Sigh, I am really getting 
> sick of a lot of Apple’s s&**t.
> Major problem for six months they can’t solve, now they don’t even 
> acknowledge me.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Possible bug in Lion
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I believe that Apple discourages connecting keyboards through USB hubs.  In 
> the past, such a configuration could actually cause significant erratic 
> behaviour and sometimes other very undesirable OS difficulties.  This was 
> years ago so it's possible that things have changed but I would recommend 
> that you always leave the keyboard connected directly and use the USB hub for 
> non-essential devices.
>  
> Later...
>  
> On 2012-02-12, at 7:09 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi.
> To save precious USB connections on my Mac Mini I used a usb hub to connect 
> both my mouse and my PC style keyboard to my Mini.  Both the mouse and 
> keyboard work fine in this configuration, the only problem is every time I 
> restart the  computer  I have to remap the Windows/Alt keys to the 
> Option/command layout that is more traditional because Lion seems to be 
> losing these settings.
>  
>  
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Re: Possible bug in Lion

[Steve Holmes]

Another thing that would free up at least one port would be to try
using a blue tooth keyboard.  I don't know what kind of mouse you're
using but I believe the magic trackpad is a blue tooth, isn't it? if
so, try that and you can free up two ports.  Just a thought.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:41:28PM -0700, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I understand your frustration although it is fairly common practice, at least 
> in my experience, for primary I/O devices like a keyboard to be directly 
> connected.  In your situation, I suggest you plug the keyboard into the Mini, 
> the mouse into the keyboard, the Tuner into its required two ports, thus 
> leaving one for your USB hub.  Your external HD shouldn't have any issues 
> connecting through a hub.  Give it a try and see if your keyboard settings 
> are retained.

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