date:20110705

Sounds like your portable tv has two stereo audio inputs and one
composite video input. You probably won't find a single box that will do
it all but instead will need to go in stages. First you'll need an HDMI
to VGA adapter and from there you can find VGA to NTSC composite
adapters. I found one which is powered via a USB connection so it's all
self contained. Write back if you have trouble locating one. The audio
should be easy since your mini already has stereo audio out in the
headphone jack so a mini to mini or mini to RCA pair cable should be all
you need, possibly with some gender changers. Hope this helps.

On 7/4/11 9:35 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:

Hello Georges -- I've modified the subject line in hopes that it will grab some attention from
folks who have done this with something other than a Mac Mini, perhaps with an Apple TV which I
believe also has an HDMI output like the current Mini. I suspect there aren't too many folks on
this list attempting to attach a display using the old RCA connections, so Google is probably your
best friend for advice on this one. Searching for the terms "HDMI to RCA" or "Mini
DisplayPort to RCA" returns many discussions about this topic. As far as I can tell, it is
indeed possible to convert both of your Mini's display output types to RCA but only by using a
converter box in conjunction with the proper adapters.

HTH,
Bryan

On Jul 4, 2011, at 5:54 AM, Georges Zaynoun wrote:

I have a portable 7inch digital tv set that receives terrestrial broadcasts.
On this receiver all inputs whether sound or video are 3.5mm jacks and it came
with a cable which has two mail of these one for sound and the other for video
input and on the other end three rca two of them for sound and the third is for
video. I wonder is there any HDMI to DVI adapter that I can plug my mac mini
to this cable and use it as screen and loudspeaker to the mac mini or at least
as screen only? In other words the hdmi end is ok but instead of HDMI to DVI
it should have three rca females. Am I dreaming of such a combination? Thanks.

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Re: NAS or USB?

I just have an external Firewire drive hooked to my Mac Mini. The Mac 
can share out the drive as an SMB volumen (Windows file share) so you 
should be able to get to everything on it from the PC just as easily. 
Another thing to consider is how reliable the storage has to be. If the 
drive fails, what is the impact. Will you have to re-rip all your CDs 
and such? For me right now it's not that critical but I've been thinking 
about going to a Drobo down the road if the 500GB drive I have now fills 
up. The Drobo has slots for multiple hard drives and it mirrors the data 
across them. If one of the drives fails it transparently continues on 
with the remaining drives. When the failed drive is replaced the 
mirroring is reconstructed. I think the smallest 4-slot version is about 
$300 empty. That also means I can add capacity over time and eventually 
retire older smaller drives, if they don't fail first. Of course this 
doesn't help if the Drobo is knocked off the table or whatever. So it 
might still make sense to have backups. My drive is mostly rips of media 
so while I'd hate to waste the time doing all that again, it's not 
irreplaceable. For that I use time machine to backup to a hard drive on 
another mac on my home network.


CB

On 7/5/11 1:05 PM, David Hole wrote:

Hi folks.
I'm on my way to buy storage for all my stuff (especially my music library).
What's the best way to go? I have lots of computers (4, 3 in use - 1
Windows and 2 Macs).
So far, I'll go for using iTunes as the primary music application -
wich also have its issues, but if needed, I'll change to something
else if there are.
I'll choose between a NAS wich I'll connect to my network, or a
USB-disc that I can connect to only one of my computers.
Anyone who have been out for this case and have good solutions?
I'm open for almost everything, as long as it's as compatible to
everything as possible.

Kind regards David.



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Re: NAS or USB?

2011-07-05 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose

Get a nas. Chris is correct in saying that you can just share a usb
drive, but most nas units come with other desirable features like an
http downloader, bit torrent support, ftp server, dlan server and
iTunes support.
You're basicly getting a very small (But probably not as small as the
mini to be fair) low power (but still capable) computer. I have a
buffalo Linkstation which I grabbed on eBay without any drives for
just over £20 but you can still by them new. If you buy one and are
feeling adventurus you can install debian on it and then, you can do
pretty much anything you could ever want on it - mines even acted as a
mail server for a couple of days.

One other thing to remember is that if you use a USB drive shared
using the mini on a gigabit lan, you could start to notice the usb
bottlenec but essentially, if you don't mind leaving a computer on all
of the time, get a usb drive, but once you buy a nas, you'll never
want to have it any other way.

On 05/07/2011, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> I just have an external Firewire drive hooked to my Mac Mini. The Mac
> can share out the drive as an SMB volumen (Windows file share) so you
> should be able to get to everything on it from the PC just as easily.
> Another thing to consider is how reliable the storage has to be. If the
> drive fails, what is the impact. Will you have to re-rip all your CDs
> and such? For me right now it's not that critical but I've been thinking
> about going to a Drobo down the road if the 500GB drive I have now fills
> up. The Drobo has slots for multiple hard drives and it mirrors the data
> across them. If one of the drives fails it transparently continues on
> with the remaining drives. When the failed drive is replaced the
> mirroring is reconstructed. I think the smallest 4-slot version is about
> $300 empty. That also means I can add capacity over time and eventually
> retire older smaller drives, if they don't fail first. Of course this
> doesn't help if the Drobo is knocked off the table or whatever. So it
> might still make sense to have backups. My drive is mostly rips of media
> so while I'd hate to waste the time doing all that again, it's not
> irreplaceable. For that I use time machine to backup to a hard drive on
> another mac on my home network.
>
> CB
>
> On 7/5/11 1:05 PM, David Hole wrote:
>> Hi folks.
>> I'm on my way to buy storage for all my stuff (especially my music
>> library).
>> What's the best way to go? I have lots of computers (4, 3 in use - 1
>> Windows and 2 Macs).
>> So far, I'll go for using iTunes as the primary music application -
>> wich also have its issues, but if needed, I'll change to something
>> else if there are.
>> I'll choose between a NAS wich I'll connect to my network, or a
>> USB-disc that I can connect to only one of my computers.
>> Anyone who have been out for this case and have good solutions?
>> I'm open for almost everything, as long as it's as compatible to
>> everything as possible.
>>
>> Kind regards David.
>>
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Mac Mini, Monitor and Bluetooth Headset

2011-07-05 Thread blindmacman

Hello List! I am considering buying a new Mac Mini, but I have some  
questions that I hope you can answer.


I have read here on the list that it is best to connect a monitor to  
the Mini, even though I do not need one. How about connecting the MINI  
to the HDMI2 on our TV? Would this work even if the TV is set to  
HDMI1? In other words, if someone was watching TV (on HDMI1) would I  
still be able to be computing (without turning the TV to HDMI2)?


With the Mini next to the TV, I could easily use my wireless keyboard  
anywhere in the house... The only problem would be VoiceOver jabbering  
away... I certainly do not mind it, but I must be considerate of  
others. How about a bluetooth headset? All my previous attempts to  
find a bluetooth headset that works with VoiceOver have failed. Do any  
of you have a recommendation for a bluetooth headset that would work  
with the Mac Mini and VoiceOver?


Your feedback and suggestions would be appreciated... Thank you!

Lou.
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Re: NAS or USB?

2011-07-05 Thread David Hole

Wow... So there are NAS'es that handles iTunes libraries in an
acceptable way too? :)
Then we're speaking!
This has to be investigated hardly before buying :)
-David

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 22:30, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
> Get a nas. Chris is correct in saying that you can just share a usb
> drive, but most nas units come with other desirable features like an
> http downloader, bit torrent support, ftp server, dlan server and
> iTunes support.
> You're basicly getting a very small (But probably not as small as the
> mini to be fair) low power (but still capable) computer. I have a
> buffalo Linkstation which I grabbed on eBay without any drives for
> just over £20 but you can still by them new. If you buy one and are
> feeling adventurus you can install debian on it and then, you can do
> pretty much anything you could ever want on it - mines even acted as a
> mail server for a couple of days.
>
> One other thing to remember is that if you use a USB drive shared
> using the mini on a gigabit lan, you could start to notice the usb
> bottlenec but essentially, if you don't mind leaving a computer on all
> of the time, get a usb drive, but once you buy a nas, you'll never
> want to have it any other way.
>
> On 05/07/2011, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> I just have an external Firewire drive hooked to my Mac Mini. The Mac
>> can share out the drive as an SMB volumen (Windows file share) so you
>> should be able to get to everything on it from the PC just as easily.
>> Another thing to consider is how reliable the storage has to be. If the
>> drive fails, what is the impact. Will you have to re-rip all your CDs
>> and such? For me right now it's not that critical but I've been thinking
>> about going to a Drobo down the road if the 500GB drive I have now fills
>> up. The Drobo has slots for multiple hard drives and it mirrors the data
>> across them. If one of the drives fails it transparently continues on
>> with the remaining drives. When the failed drive is replaced the
>> mirroring is reconstructed. I think the smallest 4-slot version is about
>> $300 empty. That also means I can add capacity over time and eventually
>> retire older smaller drives, if they don't fail first. Of course this
>> doesn't help if the Drobo is knocked off the table or whatever. So it
>> might still make sense to have backups. My drive is mostly rips of media
>> so while I'd hate to waste the time doing all that again, it's not
>> irreplaceable. For that I use time machine to backup to a hard drive on
>> another mac on my home network.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 7/5/11 1:05 PM, David Hole wrote:
>>> Hi folks.
>>> I'm on my way to buy storage for all my stuff (especially my music
>>> library).
>>> What's the best way to go? I have lots of computers (4, 3 in use - 1
>>> Windows and 2 Macs).
>>> So far, I'll go for using iTunes as the primary music application -
>>> wich also have its issues, but if needed, I'll change to something
>>> else if there are.
>>> I'll choose between a NAS wich I'll connect to my network, or a
>>> USB-disc that I can connect to only one of my computers.
>>> Anyone who have been out for this case and have good solutions?
>>> I'm open for almost everything, as long as it's as compatible to
>>> everything as possible.
>>>
>>> Kind regards David.
>>>
>>
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Re: NAS or USB?

Agreed, and most NAS also let you set them up/config from a web browser 
so it could sit in a corner of the basement with no screen or keyboard 
and just do its thing. That said, OSX does have a built in FTP, SSH and 
web server so you should be able to reach a shared drive via sftp, scp, 
http etc. I'm not familiar with dlan and don't use torrent so those 
capabilities could be better served by the NAT. I'm also cheap so I got 
more storage for the dollar/pound/euro with just an external drive. The 
NAS will cost a bit more, but not a lot more. With a Firewire drive I 
also had a bit more performance than going USB, but usually that's not 
an issue. Since I just have the mini on my regular 802.11G wireless, the 
network hits bandwidth limitations before the drive or drive interface.


CB

On 7/5/11 4:30 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

Get a nas. Chris is correct in saying that you can just share a usb
drive, but most nas units come with other desirable features like an
http downloader, bit torrent support, ftp server, dlan server and
iTunes support.
You're basicly getting a very small (But probably not as small as the
mini to be fair) low power (but still capable) computer. I have a
buffalo Linkstation which I grabbed on eBay without any drives for
just over £20 but you can still by them new. If you buy one and are
feeling adventurus you can install debian on it and then, you can do
pretty much anything you could ever want on it - mines even acted as a
mail server for a couple of days.

One other thing to remember is that if you use a USB drive shared
using the mini on a gigabit lan, you could start to notice the usb
bottlenec but essentially, if you don't mind leaving a computer on all
of the time, get a usb drive, but once you buy a nas, you'll never
want to have it any other way.

On 05/07/2011, Chris Blouch  wrote:

I just have an external Firewire drive hooked to my Mac Mini. The Mac
can share out the drive as an SMB volumen (Windows file share) so you
should be able to get to everything on it from the PC just as easily.
Another thing to consider is how reliable the storage has to be. If the
drive fails, what is the impact. Will you have to re-rip all your CDs
and such? For me right now it's not that critical but I've been thinking
about going to a Drobo down the road if the 500GB drive I have now fills
up. The Drobo has slots for multiple hard drives and it mirrors the data
across them. If one of the drives fails it transparently continues on
with the remaining drives. When the failed drive is replaced the
mirroring is reconstructed. I think the smallest 4-slot version is about
$300 empty. That also means I can add capacity over time and eventually
retire older smaller drives, if they don't fail first. Of course this
doesn't help if the Drobo is knocked off the table or whatever. So it
might still make sense to have backups. My drive is mostly rips of media
so while I'd hate to waste the time doing all that again, it's not
irreplaceable. For that I use time machine to backup to a hard drive on
another mac on my home network.

CB

On 7/5/11 1:05 PM, David Hole wrote:

Hi folks.
I'm on my way to buy storage for all my stuff (especially my music
library).
What's the best way to go? I have lots of computers (4, 3 in use - 1
Windows and 2 Macs).
So far, I'll go for using iTunes as the primary music application -
wich also have its issues, but if needed, I'll change to something
else if there are.
I'll choose between a NAS wich I'll connect to my network, or a
USB-disc that I can connect to only one of my computers.
Anyone who have been out for this case and have good solutions?
I'm open for almost everything, as long as it's as compatible to
everything as possible.

Kind regards David.


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Re: Mac Mini, Monitor and Bluetooth Headset

If I recall correctly the main issue was the Mac scans for what kind of 
monitor is hooked up and will continue to try until it finds something. 
That perpetual scan will turn the machine to sludge. So if your HDMI 
screen answers back to the mac, even if that input is not selected on 
the TV, then the Mac should be happy. In my own case I use a displayport 
to VGA and then a VGA to NTSC converter which makes the mac happy even 
if the old tv is not turned on. There are also wiring diagrams around to 
make a VGA terminator where you connect certain pins with resistors 
which signal what kind of display is hooked up without a real display 
connected. Nobody seems to sell the pre-made ones anymore (VGA 
Terminators) but somebody good with electronics could roll their own.


CB

On 7/5/11 5:11 PM, blindmac...@mac.com wrote:
Hello List! I am considering buying a new Mac Mini, but I have some 
questions that I hope you can answer.


I have read here on the list that it is best to connect a monitor to 
the Mini, even though I do not need one. How about connecting the MINI 
to the HDMI2 on our TV? Would this work even if the TV is set to 
HDMI1? In other words, if someone was watching TV (on HDMI1) would I 
still be able to be computing (without turning the TV to HDMI2)?


With the Mini next to the TV, I could easily use my wireless keyboard 
anywhere in the house... The only problem would be VoiceOver jabbering 
away... I certainly do not mind it, but I must be considerate of 
others. How about a bluetooth headset? All my previous attempts to 
find a bluetooth headset that works with VoiceOver have failed. Do any 
of you have a recommendation for a bluetooth headset that would work 
with the Mac Mini and VoiceOver?


Your feedback and suggestions would be appreciated... Thank you!

Lou.
BlindMacMan



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XCode/C++ integer assignment from console.

2011-07-05 Thread Geoff Waaler

Greetings all,

I am getting started with C++ using XCode 4.0.2.

The following was created as a C++ command line tool.  The objective of this 
"main.cpp" code was to accept a n integer from the console and display it:

#include 
using namespace std;

int main() {
int  num;
cout << "Please enter an integer: ";
cin >> num;
cout << "Thanks for typing.  You entered: " << num << endl;
}

Upon running this code via command-r I receive the message that output was 
generated.  The log window appears to stop and prompt me as expected -- I see 
the following:

GNU gdb 6.3.50-20050815 (Apple version gdb-1518) (Sat Feb 12 02:52:12 UTC 2011)
Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "x86_64-apple-darwin".tty /dev/ttys000
[Switching to process 10756 thread 0x0]
Please enter an integer: 

When I enter an integer (e.g. 9) the following text appears:

Please enter an integer: 9
Thanks for typing.  You entered: 60106
Program ended with exit code: 0

Initializing num (ie int num = 0;) causes the garbage to disappear , except 
that the initialized value is always displayed regardless what I enter in 
response to the prompt.

I tried building a unix executable and running it from terminal, but the 
results did not vary.  An item in Google suggested running debug in "standard 
debug" mode, but from what I can find this may no longer be applicable in xCode 
4?

If anyone can offer a suggestion I would be most appreciative.  Perhaps there 
is another list that is mor appropriate for this type of query?

Best regards.
Geoff

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Importing burned audio cds into iTunes? Where do they go?

2011-07-05 Thread Doug Lawlor

Hello list:
Last evening a friend gave me a cd that was burned on another computer. I took 
this and imported it into iTunes. Naturally iTunes could not find the names of 
the tracks. I did not see this as a problem so I went ahead and imported it. 
The problem is it is not showing up in my iTunes library. Can anyone help here? 
 

Thanks, 

Doug

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Re: XCode/C++ integer assignment from console.

2011-07-05 Thread Zachary Kline

Hi Jeff,
Interesting.  I copied and pasted your program, exactly as given, from the 
email to a vi editing session and compiled it from the terminal.  The output 
was what you would expect, i.e. it worked correctly.
I'm not sure why Xcode would give you a different result with such a simple 
program, and am afraid I'm just learning to use it myself, so know very little 
about it.
Very confused,
Zack.
On Jul 5, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Greetings all,
> 
> I am getting started with C++ using XCode 4.0.2.
> 
> The following was created as a C++ command line tool.  The objective of this 
> "main.cpp" code was to accept a n integer from the console and display it:
> 
> #include 
> using namespace std;
> 
> int main() {
> int  num;
> cout << "Please enter an integer: ";
> cin >> num;
> cout << "Thanks for typing.  You entered: " << num << endl;
> }
> 
> Upon running this code via command-r I receive the message that output was 
> generated.  The log window appears to stop and prompt me as expected -- I see 
> the following:
> 
> GNU gdb 6.3.50-20050815 (Apple version gdb-1518) (Sat Feb 12 02:52:12 UTC 
> 2011)
> Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
> welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
> Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
> There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
> This GDB was configured as "x86_64-apple-darwin".tty /dev/ttys000
> [Switching to process 10756 thread 0x0]
> Please enter an integer: 
> 
> When I enter an integer (e.g. 9) the following text appears:
> 
> Please enter an integer: 9
> Thanks for typing.  You entered: 60106
> Program ended with exit code: 0
> 
> Initializing num (ie int num = 0;) causes the garbage to disappear , except 
> that the initialized value is always displayed regardless what I enter in 
> response to the prompt.
> 
> I tried building a unix executable and running it from terminal, but the 
> results did not vary.  An item in Google suggested running debug in "standard 
> debug" mode, but from what I can find this may no longer be applicable in 
> xCode 4?
> 
> If anyone can offer a suggestion I would be most appreciative.  Perhaps there 
> is another list that is mor appropriate for this type of query?
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
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Re: Importing burned audio cds into iTunes? Where do they go?

2011-07-05 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Doug!
They might be in your library!
If you have not seen these already there might be a lot of items listed as 
track 01, 02, 03 and so on!
So if you have these each one is one of the tracks and you'll have to open info 
and name everyone!
If those tracks are not in the library!
See if they are in your main Itunes library in your home directory!
Oh yes one more option there might be a unknown  album!
hth Colin

On 5 Jul 2011, at 23:06, Doug Lawlor wrote:

> Hello list:
> Last evening a friend gave me a cd that was burned on another computer. I 
> took this and imported it into iTunes. Naturally iTunes could not find the 
> names of the tracks. I did not see this as a problem so I went ahead and 
> imported it. The problem is it is not showing up in my iTunes library. Can 
> anyone help here?  
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Doug
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Re: XCode/C++ integer assignment from console.

2011-07-05 Thread Geoff Waaler

Hello Zack,

Thanks so much for looking into this.  You indirectly answered one of my 
questions -- it's unnecessary to create an xCode project just to build and run 
a simple .cpp file  (yay!!!).

Having not used Unix except for a very brief period in the early 80s when VI 
was a line editor, perhaps you or someone else following this thread can 
indulge a few novice questions.  I gather VI is better for creating a .cpp file 
than the textEdit app?  If so, why?  What is the process for building and 
running from the command line?

Thanks again and best regards.
Geoff

On Jul 5, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
> Interesting.  I copied and pasted your program, exactly as given, from the 
> email to a vi editing session and compiled it from the terminal.  The output 
> was what you would expect, i.e. it worked correctly.
> I'm not sure why Xcode would give you a different result with such a simple 
> program, and am afraid I'm just learning to use it myself, so know very 
> little about it.
> Very confused,
> Zack.
> On Jul 5, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
> 
>> Greetings all,
>> 
>> I am getting started with C++ using XCode 4.0.2.
>> 
>> The following was created as a C++ command line tool.  The objective of this 
>> "main.cpp" code was to accept a n integer from the console and display it:
>> 
>> #include 
>> using namespace std;
>> 
>> int main() {
>>int  num;
>>cout << "Please enter an integer: ";
>>cin >> num;
>>cout << "Thanks for typing.  You entered: " << num << endl;
>> }
>> 
>> Upon running this code via command-r I receive the message that output was 
>> generated.  The log window appears to stop and prompt me as expected -- I 
>> see the following:
>> 
>> GNU gdb 6.3.50-20050815 (Apple version gdb-1518) (Sat Feb 12 02:52:12 UTC 
>> 2011)
>> Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>> GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
>> welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
>> Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
>> There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
>> This GDB was configured as "x86_64-apple-darwin".tty /dev/ttys000
>> [Switching to process 10756 thread 0x0]
>> Please enter an integer: 
>> 
>> When I enter an integer (e.g. 9) the following text appears:
>> 
>> Please enter an integer: 9
>> Thanks for typing.  You entered: 60106
>> Program ended with exit code: 0
>> 
>> Initializing num (ie int num = 0;) causes the garbage to disappear , except 
>> that the initialized value is always displayed regardless what I enter in 
>> response to the prompt.
>> 
>> I tried building a unix executable and running it from terminal, but the 
>> results did not vary.  An item in Google suggested running debug in 
>> "standard debug" mode, but from what I can find this may no longer be 
>> applicable in xCode 4?
>> 
>> If anyone can offer a suggestion I would be most appreciative.  Perhaps 
>> there is another list that is mor appropriate for this type of query?
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
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Re: Importing burned audio cds into iTunes? Where do they go?

2011-07-05 Thread Bryan Jones

Hi Doug,

To add to what Colin said, sorting your music table by Date Added might let you 
easily find those recently imported no-name tracks. Here's one way of 
performing this sort"
1. Interact with the Sources table and select Music.
2. Stop interacting with the Sources table.
3. Press Command+J to open the View Options dialog box.
4. VO through this dialog box and make sure the "Date Added" checkbox is 
checked. Press OK to close the View Options Window.
5. Make sure your library is showing in "List" mode. This can be check in a 
number of ways, but pressing Command+Option+3 will set it for you.
6. Interact with the Music table, Navigate to a field in the "Date Added" 
column, and press VO+Shit+\ and you should hear VO announce something like, 
"sort column up" or "sort column down."
7. If you've sorted the column down you should find your most recently imported 
tracks at the top of the list. These will hopefully be the unnamed tracks you 
are looking for.

HTH,
Bryan

> On 5 Jul 2011, at 23:06, Doug Lawlor wrote:
> Hello list:
>> Last evening a friend gave me a cd that was burned on another computer. I 
>> took this and imported it into iTunes. Naturally iTunes could not find the 
>> names of the tracks. I did not see this as a problem so I went ahead and 
>> imported it. The problem is it is not showing up in my iTunes library. Can 
>> anyone help here?  

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Re: Accessible FTP Client

OK, but to the best of my knowledge, that will only let you download. 
Sounds to me like he needs to be able to upload.


I know this depends on the server.  Trust me, I run my own ftp server.  I'm 
not that blind in the head.  LOL!  I know that can determine things on the 
server side, but I also regardless, don't think findeer let's you upload.  I 
could be wrong, but if I am, I've never gotten it to work on any servers 
I've tried.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Andre Nuno Soares" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible FTP Client


Hello,

You can also access any FTP server directly from Finder.
Just press Command-k and in the server address enter something like:
ftp://username:password@ftp.server.address

It's a very basic FTP client and it does tend to hang if you access 
directories with a lot of files, but for a quick copy of files it's ok.


HTH,
André

On Jul 4, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

What I did recently was get Transmit, which is not free but has a 
seven-day trial.  Then, after putting in the domain and user name and 
password, I chose the "Mount as disk," button.  This let me quit Transmit 
and use Finder to copy/paste or delete from the FTP site or whatever. 
Really easy this way.



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Re: Importing burned audio cds into iTunes? Where do they go?

2011-07-05 Thread Doug Lawlor

Thanks for the information on sorting the tracks by date. I didn't know you 
could do this before. I have found the tracks and a hole bunch of others I 
didn't know I had. I am using tagalicious to clean up the hole library.  

Doug

On 2011-07-05, at 8:53 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> Hi Doug,
> 
> To add to what Colin said, sorting your music table by Date Added might let 
> you easily find those recently imported no-name tracks. Here's one way of 
> performing this sort"
> 1. Interact with the Sources table and select Music.
> 2. Stop interacting with the Sources table.
> 3. Press Command+J to open the View Options dialog box.
> 4. VO through this dialog box and make sure the "Date Added" checkbox is 
> checked. Press OK to close the View Options Window.
> 5. Make sure your library is showing in "List" mode. This can be check in a 
> number of ways, but pressing Command+Option+3 will set it for you.
> 6. Interact with the Music table, Navigate to a field in the "Date Added" 
> column, and press VO+Shit+\ and you should hear VO announce something like, 
> "sort column up" or "sort column down."
> 7. If you've sorted the column down you should find your most recently 
> imported tracks at the top of the list. These will hopefully be the unnamed 
> tracks you are looking for.
> 
> HTH,
> Bryan
> 
>> On 5 Jul 2011, at 23:06, Doug Lawlor wrote:
>> Hello list:
>>> Last evening a friend gave me a cd that was burned on another computer. I 
>>> took this and imported it into iTunes. Naturally iTunes could not find the 
>>> names of the tracks. I did not see this as a problem so I went ahead and 
>>> imported it. The problem is it is not showing up in my iTunes library. Can 
>>> anyone help here?  
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Help needed please


Hi folks,

Well I finally got my MBP.  The rep told me how to turn it on and do a 
couple VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the 
night.  Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down 
command is for the MacBook?


Thanks much,

Johnny

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Re: Help needed please

Hello Johnny:

Congratulations on the new purchase. You will love it and this list will 
provide you with the best support if and when you need it.

The most predictable way to shut it down at first is:

1. Hold down the VO keys plus the letter M. The VO keys are the control and 
option keys. 

2. You should hear the machine say apple. If that happens use the down arrow 
key until you hear shut down. 

3. Press enter.

4. You may hear your machine mention authentication. Press the tab key and then 
you should hear the machine say shut down button. Press enter again and that 
should do it.

Please let us know if that helps.

Take good care and I wish you enough.On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Cakes wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> Well I finally got my MBP.  The rep told me how to turn it on and do a couple 
> VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the night.  
> Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down command is 
> for the MacBook?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Johnny
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Re: Help needed please

2011-07-05 Thread Ronald McEwan

Press the power  button and you will be presented with a dialog.  


In the Journey, 

Ron

On Jul 5, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Cakes wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> Well I finally got my MBP.  The rep told me how to turn it on and do a couple 
> VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the night.  
> Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down command is 
> for the MacBook?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Johnny
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Re: a macbook pro question?

2011-07-05 Thread Mary Otten

Karen,
The vo keys are on both sides of the keyboard if you have a full keyboard. 
Unfortunately, the geniuses at Apple do not include a control key on the right 
hand side of their keyboards these days. So you don't get vo keys on both sides 
unless you have an older keyboard or buy one like the one from Mac Ally. Apple 
managed to do what so many makers of laptop keyboards do, i.e. leave out the 
full compliment of keys we've grown use to on standard keyboards.  
Mary Otten
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Re: Help needed please

2011-07-05 Thread Christine Grassman

If you go into the Apple menu "VO keys plus space should bring you to it) (VO 
equals command and option keys together with the spacebar,)  you can arrow down 
until you hear choices: shut down, sleep, standby, etc.
If/when you are at a complete loss, you can hold down the Power button for 
about two seconds, and you will be asked for confirmation. If you merely want 
the MacBook on standby, simply close it.
Christine
On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Cakes wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> Well I finally got my MBP.  The rep told me how to turn it on and do a couple 
> VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the night.  
> Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down command is 
> for the MacBook?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Johnny
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Re: Help needed please

2011-07-05 Thread Christine Grassman

Yikes! It's time for bed. VO plus M; think menu, not space. I don't want to 
cause any confusion for a new Mac user. I stand (OK, sit and type) corrected  
myby  fellow Mac visionaries. Sorry about any confusion.
*Yawn*.
Christine
On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Patrick Neazer wrote:

> Hello Johnny:
> 
> Congratulations on the new purchase. You will love it and this list will 
> provide you with the best support if and when you need it.
> 
> The most predictable way to shut it down at first is:
> 
> 1. Hold down the VO keys plus the letter M. The VO keys are the control and 
> option keys. 
> 
> 2. You should hear the machine say apple. If that happens use the down arrow 
> key until you hear shut down. 
> 
> 3. Press enter.
> 
> 4. You may hear your machine mention authentication. Press the tab key and 
> then you should hear the machine say shut down button. Press enter again and 
> that should do it.
> 
> Please let us know if that helps.
> 
> Take good care and I wish you enough.On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Cakes wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Well I finally got my MBP.  The rep told me how to turn it on and do a 
>> couple VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the 
>> night.  Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down 
>> command is for the MacBook?
>> 
>> Thanks much,
>> 
>> Johnny
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Re: Help needed please

2011-07-05 Thread Isaac Obie


Hello Johnny,
Go to the Apple menu.
Arrow down till you see shutdown. click on that three times quickly and 
that'll do it!

I mean hit the enter key quickly three times.
hth
Isaac
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:31 PM
Subject: Help needed please



Hi folks,

Well I finally got my MBP.  The rep told me how to turn it on and do a 
couple VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the 
night.  Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down 
command is for the MacBook?


Thanks much,

Johnny

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Colloquy: Not liking what I'm seeing at all!

When I first opened Colloquy, I'm presented a dialog to put in my nick name. 
I did this, and hit vo+right arrow.  Eventually, I got a... what appears! to 
be combo box, of a list of i r c servers.  I hit vo+space to drop the list 
down, at which point I was presented a list of preconfigured servers.  I 
couldn't find any way to type in a server manually.  It finally dawned on 
me, that maybe this is an edit! combo, not a combo box as Voiceover's 
reporting.  So, I tried instead of hitting vo+down arrow to open the box, 
just typing in a server address manually.  So I typed


gamebird.ehhh.us

I left everything else completely alone, and hit connect.  It let me in, but 
then, in the file menu of the menu bar, If I went to join channel, I again 
get a combo box or so it looks for the channels.  When I vo+space on it to 
open it, then vo+down arrow, I get nothing, and if I just simply down arrow 
without the vo keys, it bwonks at me.  I tried typing in manually a channel 
name that I darnwell know! is on this server, as I go up there on my windows 
machine with Mirc with Tirc Ralph very regularly and it works flawlessly.


I also tried just in case maybe the protocol wasn't set correctly and this 
server doesn't use i r c, I tried all the other ones in that combo box 
before connecting, but when I do, it won't let me connect, so it's obvious, 
I was correct in the first place.  If I put irc dot before the address, IE: 
irc.gamebird.ehhh.us, it won't connect at all.  I'm using the standard port 
6667, which is exactly what I'm using on the Windows side of things that 
works fine.  So, yeah, either something's broken accessibility wize with 
Colloquy, or I just don't have a clue what I'm doing.  Probably the ladder.


I know there was another i r c client suggested, but I can't for the life a 
me remember it, it was like X... sopmething X, or what not.  I don't 
remember... sorry...


Anyway, any help would be appreciated.  I really wanna get i r c working on 
the Mac, but if I can't, well, I guess I just can't.  Sighs.


Chris. 


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Re: Colloquy: Not liking what I'm seeing at all!

2011-07-05 Thread Eric Oyen

I use Xchat with growl. works ok, except on high traffic channels.

-Eric
On Jul 5, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> When I first opened Colloquy, I'm presented a dialog to put in my nick name. 
> I did this, and hit vo+right arrow.  Eventually, I got a... what appears! to 
> be combo box, of a list of i r c servers.  I hit vo+space to drop the list 
> down, at which point I was presented a list of preconfigured servers.  I 
> couldn't find any way to type in a server manually.  It finally dawned on me, 
> that maybe this is an edit! combo, not a combo box as Voiceover's reporting.  
> So, I tried instead of hitting vo+down arrow to open the box, just typing in 
> a server address manually.  So I typed
> 
> gamebird.ehhh.us
> 
> I left everything else completely alone, and hit connect.  It let me in, but 
> then, in the file menu of the menu bar, If I went to join channel, I again 
> get a combo box or so it looks for the channels.  When I vo+space on it to 
> open it, then vo+down arrow, I get nothing, and if I just simply down arrow 
> without the vo keys, it bwonks at me.  I tried typing in manually a channel 
> name that I darnwell know! is on this server, as I go up there on my windows 
> machine with Mirc with Tirc Ralph very regularly and it works flawlessly.
> 
> I also tried just in case maybe the protocol wasn't set correctly and this 
> server doesn't use i r c, I tried all the other ones in that combo box before 
> connecting, but when I do, it won't let me connect, so it's obvious, I was 
> correct in the first place.  If I put irc dot before the address, IE: 
> irc.gamebird.ehhh.us, it won't connect at all.  I'm using the standard port 
> 6667, which is exactly what I'm using on the Windows side of things that 
> works fine.  So, yeah, either something's broken accessibility wize with 
> Colloquy, or I just don't have a clue what I'm doing.  Probably the ladder.
> 
> I know there was another i r c client suggested, but I can't for the life a 
> me remember it, it was like X... sopmething X, or what not.  I don't 
> remember... sorry...
> 
> Anyway, any help would be appreciated.  I really wanna get i r c working on 
> the Mac, but if I can't, well, I guess I just can't.  Sighs.
> 
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Re: Help needed please


Hi al,

Likee always you guys are the greatest and have come to the rescue once 
again.  So I got it shut down alright, so I thought I would e cockie and 
turn it back on to practice the shut down command again.  Except this 
t8ime, VO is not speaking at all.  So can someone please tell me how to 
turn the speech back on now?  

'
Johnny

On 7/5/2011 9:31 PM, Cakes wrote:

Hi folks,

Well I finally got my MBP. The rep told me how to turn it on and do a
couple VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the
night. Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down
command is for the MacBook?

Thanks much,

Johnny



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Re: Colloquy: Not liking what I'm seeing at all!

OK, I'll give that a try then.  I can google it if not, but do you know 
where to find it?

Chris.

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From: "Eric Oyen" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Colloquy: Not liking what I'm seeing at all!

I use Xchat with growl. works ok, except on high traffic channels.

-Eric
On Jul 5, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

When I first opened Colloquy, I'm presented a dialog to put in my nick 
name. I did this, and hit vo+right arrow.  Eventually, I got a... what 
appears! to be combo box, of a list of i r c servers.  I hit vo+space to 
drop the list down, at which point I was presented a list of preconfigured 
servers.  I couldn't find any way to type in a server manually.  It 
finally dawned on me, that maybe this is an edit! combo, not a combo box 
as Voiceover's reporting.  So, I tried instead of hitting vo+down arrow to 
open the box, just typing in a server address manually.  So I typed

gamebird.ehhh.us

I left everything else completely alone, and hit connect.  It let me in, 
but then, in the file menu of the menu bar, If I went to join channel, I 
again get a combo box or so it looks for the channels.  When I vo+space on 
it to open it, then vo+down arrow, I get nothing, and if I just simply 
down arrow without the vo keys, it bwonks at me.  I tried typing in 
manually a channel name that I darnwell know! is on this server, as I go 
up there on my windows machine with Mirc with Tirc Ralph very regularly 
and it works flawlessly.

I also tried just in case maybe the protocol wasn't set correctly and this 
server doesn't use i r c, I tried all the other ones in that combo box 
before connecting, but when I do, it won't let me connect, so it's 
obvious, I was correct in the first place.  If I put irc dot before the 
address, IE: irc.gamebird.ehhh.us, it won't connect at all.  I'm using the 
standard port 6667, which is exactly what I'm using on the Windows side of 
things that works fine.  So, yeah, either something's broken accessibility 
wize with Colloquy, or I just don't have a clue what I'm doing.  Probably 
the ladder.

I know there was another i r c client suggested, but I can't for the life 
a me remember it, it was like X... sopmething X, or what not.  I don't 
remember... sorry...

Anyway, any help would be appreciated.  I really wanna get i r c working 
on the Mac, but if I can't, well, I guess I just can't.  Sighs.

Chris.
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Re: Help needed please

Hello Johnny:

I was kind of wondering how and when you were going to let us know how things 
went once you shut it down :). 

Try command F5 ... that should bring it back. If not, try command F5 plus the 
FN or function key.

Let us know how it goes.

Take good care and I wish you enough.
On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Cakes wrote:

> Hi al,
> 
> Likee always you guys are the greatest and have come to the rescue once 
> again.  So I got it shut down alright, so I thought I would e cockie and turn 
> it back on to practice the shut down command again.  Except this t8ime, VO is 
> not speaking at all.  So can someone please tell me how to turn the speech 
> back on now?  
> '
> Johnny
> 
> On 7/5/2011 9:31 PM, Cakes wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Well I finally got my MBP. The rep told me how to turn it on and do a
>> couple VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the
>> night. Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down
>> command is for the MacBook?
>> 
>> Thanks much,
>> 
>> Johnny
>> 
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Re: Help needed please

Hello Christine and all:

No worries. It is late though I have written similar things early in the 
morning with my brain supposedly on full alert :). 

Between all of us we will figure it out :). 

Grab a nap and I will think menu as well :).

Take good care and I wish you enough.
On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> Yikes! It's time for bed. VO plus M; think menu, not space. I don't want to 
> cause any confusion for a new Mac user. I stand (OK, sit and type) corrected  
> myby  fellow Mac visionaries. Sorry about any confusion.
> *Yawn*.
> Christine
> On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Patrick Neazer wrote:
> 
>> Hello Johnny:
>> 
>> Congratulations on the new purchase. You will love it and this list will 
>> provide you with the best support if and when you need it.
>> 
>> The most predictable way to shut it down at first is:
>> 
>> 1. Hold down the VO keys plus the letter M. The VO keys are the control and 
>> option keys. 
>> 
>> 2. You should hear the machine say apple. If that happens use the down arrow 
>> key until you hear shut down. 
>> 
>> 3. Press enter.
>> 
>> 4. You may hear your machine mention authentication. Press the tab key and 
>> then you should hear the machine say shut down button. Press enter again and 
>> that should do it.
>> 
>> Please let us know if that helps.
>> 
>> Take good care and I wish you enough.On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Cakes wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> Well I finally got my MBP.  The rep told me how to turn it on and do a 
>>> couple VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the 
>>> night.  Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down 
>>> command is for the MacBook?
>>> 
>>> Thanks much,
>>> 
>>> Johnny
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Re: Help needed please

Well I'm enjoying the learning curve.  Kind of strange though, the guy 
that sold me the Mac said that he set the mac up to come up with VO 
speaking.  So I think that I did something to mess things up for now 
making that learning curve just a little steaper.  I'll let you know how 
I make out with comand F5 etc.


Thaniks much,

Johnny

On 7/5/2011 10:31 PM, Patrick Neazer wrote:

Hello Johnny:

I was kind of wondering how and when you were going to let us know how things 
went once you shut it down :).

Try command F5 ... that should bring it back. If not, try command F5 plus the 
FN or function key.

Let us know how it goes.

Take good care and I wish you enough.
On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Cakes wrote:


Hi al,

Likee always you guys are the greatest and have come to the rescue once again.  So I 
got it shut down alright, so I thought I would e cockie and turn it back on to 
practice the shut down command again.  Except this t8ime, VO is not speaking at all.  
So can someone please tell me how to turn the speech back on now?
'
Johnny

On 7/5/2011 9:31 PM, Cakes wrote:

Hi folks,

Well I finally got my MBP. The rep told me how to turn it on and do a
couple VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the
night. Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down
command is for the MacBook?

Thanks much,

Johnny



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Re: Help needed please

2011-07-05 Thread Isaac Obie

 Johnny,,,
Try the alt key and f5. that toggles it on and off. Apple calls the alt key 
the command key.

Isaac
- Original Message -
From: "Cakes" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: Help needed please

Hi al,

Likee always you guys are the greatest and have come to the rescue once 
again.  So I got it shut down alright, so I thought I would e cockie and 
turn it back on to practice the shut down command again.  Except this 
t8ime, VO is not speaking at all.  So can someone please tell me how to 
turn the speech back on now?  

'
Johnny

On 7/5/2011 9:31 PM, Cakes wrote:

Hi folks,

Well I finally got my MBP. The rep told me how to turn it on and do a
couple VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the
night. Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down
command is for the MacBook?

Thanks much,

Johnny

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Re: Help needed please

2011-07-05 Thread lpna...@gmail.com

If you push the power button it shoud give you a dialog box to shut down. If 
not go to the Apple menu and choose shut down from there.
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twitter @lpnalda

Cakes  wrote:

Hi folks,

Well I finally got my MBP. The rep told me how to turn it on and do a 
couple VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the 
night. Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down 
command is for the MacBook?

Thanks much,

Johnny

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Giving up on I R C

Hello again guys.

I'm sorry, but I just tried xchat, and honestly am finding this client even 
more confusing than Colloquy.  Unless someone can give me more specific help 
how to get the notifications set and working, I'm pretty much giving up.  I 
don't have time right now to get frustrated over this, which I am.  So, I'm 
taking a break with this.  It's not worth me getting ticked over it.  I got 
more important things to do frankly.  Having said that, thanks for everyone's 
help.

Chris.

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Re: Help needed please

Hello Johnny:

No worries. If you can bring the speech back with the command F5 keystroke then 
voiceover can be set to come on automatically later on. You probably did not do 
anything. You cannot truly hurt the machine unless of course you set fire to it 
:) ... which no one recommends.

Enjoy the learning and let us know how it goes.

Take good care and I wish you enough.
On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Cakes wrote:

> Well I'm enjoying the learning curve.  Kind of strange though, the guy that 
> sold me the Mac said that he set the mac up to come up with VO speaking.  So 
> I think that I did something to mess things up for now making that learning 
> curve just a little steaper.  I'll let you know how I make out with comand F5 
> etc.
> 
> Thaniks much,
> 
> Johnny
> 
> On 7/5/2011 10:31 PM, Patrick Neazer wrote:
>> Hello Johnny:
>> 
>> I was kind of wondering how and when you were going to let us know how 
>> things went once you shut it down :).
>> 
>> Try command F5 ... that should bring it back. If not, try command F5 plus 
>> the FN or function key.
>> 
>> Let us know how it goes.
>> 
>> Take good care and I wish you enough.
>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Cakes wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi al,
>>> 
>>> Likee always you guys are the greatest and have come to the rescue once 
>>> again.  So I got it shut down alright, so I thought I would e cockie and 
>>> turn it back on to practice the shut down command again.  Except this 
>>> t8ime, VO is not speaking at all.  So can someone please tell me how to 
>>> turn the speech back on now?
>>> '
>>> Johnny
>>> 
>>> On 7/5/2011 9:31 PM, Cakes wrote:
 Hi folks,
 
 Well I finally got my MBP. The rep told me how to turn it on and do a
 couple VO commands but didn't tell me how to shut the beast down for the
 night. Would someone please be so kind as to tell me what the shut down
 command is for the MacBook?
 
 Thanks much,
 
 Johnny
 
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RE: Giving up on I R C

2011-07-05 Thread Missy Hoppe

I know I'm still mostly a mac newbie, and I know almost nothing about chat 
clients, but have you tried Adium? I don't know if
it does whatever you're trying, but it's fairly simple to use.
Just a suggestion, and I apologize in advance if it's way out in left field.
Missy

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Giving up on I R C

Hello again guys.

I'm sorry, but I just tried xchat, and honestly am finding this client even 
more confusing than Colloquy.  Unless someone can
give me more specific help how to get the notifications set and working, I'm 
pretty much giving up.  I don't have time right
now to get frustrated over this, which I am.  So, I'm taking a break with this. 
 It's not worth me getting ticked over it.  I
got more important things to do frankly.  Having said that, thanks for 
everyone's help.

Chris.

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Re: Giving up on I R C

Adium'll do it, but I can't exactly figure out how as I stated in my very 
first post about all this.

Chris.

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From: "Missy Hoppe" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: RE: Giving up on I R C

I know I'm still mostly a mac newbie, and I know almost nothing about chat 
clients, but have you tried Adium? I don't know if

it does whatever you're trying, but it's fairly simple to use.
Just a suggestion, and I apologize in advance if it's way out in left 
field.

Missy

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Giving up on I R C

Hello again guys.

I'm sorry, but I just tried xchat, and honestly am finding this client 
even more confusing than Colloquy.  Unless someone can
give me more specific help how to get the notifications set and working, 
I'm pretty much giving up.  I don't have time right
now to get frustrated over this, which I am.  So, I'm taking a break with 
this.  It's not worth me getting ticked over it.  I
got more important things to do frankly.  Having said that, thanks for 
everyone's help.

Chris.

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Re: a macbook pro question?

2011-07-05 Thread Bryan Jones

Mary -- I really agree with you regarding the disappearing keys. Every time I 
read or hear Apple touting their laptops having "Full-sized keyboards" I roll 
my eyes. While their keyboards might contain some full-sized keys, they are 
most certainly NOT full-sized keyboards. And before the zealots start flaming, 
I should mention that I love my Apple Bluetooth keyboard, full-sized or not. 

Bryan

On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:43 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> The vo keys are on both sides of the keyboard if you have a full keyboard. 
> Unfortunately, the geniuses at Apple do not include a control key on the 
> right hand side of their keyboards these days. So you don't get vo keys on 
> both sides unless you have an older keyboard or buy one like the one from Mac 
> Ally. Apple managed to do what so many makers of laptop keyboards do, i.e. 
> leave out the full compliment of keys we've grown use to on standard 
> keyboards.  

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Re: a macbook pro question?

2011-07-05 Thread Mary Otten

I too like the Apple BT keyboard compared with other possibilities. But I don't 
think they should tout it as full sized when it is not. I wish Apple had bucked 
the unhappy trend of cutting out certain keys on these keyboards. They get a 
lot of things right, but not this time, IMHO. It reminds me of what happened 
with num pad commander, which was introduced, and then shortly there after, 
Apple decided to quit making keyboard with numpads on them, even for the 
desktop line. What possible sense is it to make a dinky keyboard for an IMac? 
Surely desktop real estate is not in such short supply in that instance? 
Mary

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