Re: Bluetooth on Brailliant 40 Display

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Scott,

I use the 6 key on my Connect to move down the options and the 3 key to go the 
other way.

Les
On Mar 26, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Sarai,
> 
> He is not able to hear the tones, but aside from this it seems he may have an 
> older model or at least the steps I recall using on the Brailliant I have at 
> the office are not working for him. I was trying to remember the steps since 
> the Brailliant is at the office and I use a Refreshabraille at home.
> If I recall, you use the first key in the vertical row on the right side, 
> which is key 4 to move down through the options, is that not correct?
> Just want to be sure I provided the proper keys for navigating through the 
> menu options.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> You need to go in to the advanced options on the Brailliant. Hold down the 
>> 1st and 40th curser router buttons. Then add the 1st and 4th vertical keys. 
>> You'll hear a beep. Let up on the keys, and you'll be in the advanced menu 
>> options, where you can change to Bluetooth.
>> On Mar 26, 2011, at 1:20 PM, James Gallagher wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello List sorry for taken up you time here with my Question
>>> 
>>> I am having some trouble with a Brailliant 40 Braille display
>>> A very kind fellow member here on this list Mr Scott Howell
>>> has been trying to help me and I have taken up a lot of his time over the 
>>> past day or two. But Mr Howell has the new version of the Brailliant
>>> 
>>> I have the previous model that has plugs for a power adapter, serial 
>>> connection, and USB . and I also believe that Scott is running the newer 
>>> version
>>> of the Firmware as I am not getting the same menus that Scott can find.
>>> 
>>> Right down to my question I am trying to get Bluetooth up and running on my 
>>> Brailliant 40
>>> And after many many days try and retrying i am still at the same point and 
>>> that is no where.
>>> 
>>> when I put the display on and go down the menus I am only getting 4 or 5 
>>> options 
>>> I have read all the info in text format and this came with this Display so 
>>> it is for it
>>> but the Menu I am getting has only about 4 or 5 options and no matter what 
>>> I try I can not get 
>>> the a dot 7 or 8 under the cursor USB option but I can not find any where 
>>> that has Bluetooth listed as well.
>>> 
>>> I am hoping that someone on the list is using a Brailliant 40 display that 
>>> could help me here please to setup
>>> the Bluetooth option I can not find any where on my manual that gives a 
>>> clue about accessing an advanced menu
>>> that will let me put on the Bluetooth option. 
>>> 
>>> I would be very grateful if you would be so kind to give me an  idiots 
>>> guide on how I can do this Please
>>> I only get a few menu options and after days and days I am still totally 
>>> lost it is getting the best of me.
>>> been using Braille notetakers for years and years with a Braille Lite 18 
>>> Pacmate BX40 and many others
>>> but this little thing has got me right and Good.
>>> 
>>> I am after Bluetooth now because I am going to buy myself the ipad 2 and I 
>>> need a Display to access this as I can't hear Voiceover  I am Deafblind.
>>> 
>>> To save the list any trouble with e-mailings going to it my E-mail is  
>>> ja...@deafblind.com
>>> 
>>> I would be grateful for any help here please as I do wish to buy a ipad 2 
>>> and I need Bluetooth to access it.
>>> 
>>> My very best to you all.
>>> 
>>> Yours
>>> James
>>> 
>>> The highest result of education is tolerance.
>>> Hellen Keller
>>> --
>>> James Gallagher
>>> 
>>> A-Z to Deafblindness 
>>> A Deafblindness Web Resource 
>>> Learn more about Braille Chess at 
>>> My Guide Dogs 
>>> For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at 
>>> 
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Re: Bluetooth on Brailliant 40 Display

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Scott,

A slight correction.  The 3 key is indeed used to cycle from the top of the 
menu structure down, but the 4 key is used to go in the opposite direction.  
The 1 key definitely does not move anywhere on the Connect 24.

Les
On Mar 26, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Sarai,
> 
> He is not able to hear the tones, but aside from this it seems he may have an 
> older model or at least the steps I recall using on the Brailliant I have at 
> the office are not working for him. I was trying to remember the steps since 
> the Brailliant is at the office and I use a Refreshabraille at home.
> If I recall, you use the first key in the vertical row on the right side, 
> which is key 4 to move down through the options, is that not correct?
> Just want to be sure I provided the proper keys for navigating through the 
> menu options.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> You need to go in to the advanced options on the Brailliant. Hold down the 
>> 1st and 40th curser router buttons. Then add the 1st and 4th vertical keys. 
>> You'll hear a beep. Let up on the keys, and you'll be in the advanced menu 
>> options, where you can change to Bluetooth.
>> On Mar 26, 2011, at 1:20 PM, James Gallagher wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello List sorry for taken up you time here with my Question
>>> 
>>> I am having some trouble with a Brailliant 40 Braille display
>>> A very kind fellow member here on this list Mr Scott Howell
>>> has been trying to help me and I have taken up a lot of his time over the 
>>> past day or two. But Mr Howell has the new version of the Brailliant
>>> 
>>> I have the previous model that has plugs for a power adapter, serial 
>>> connection, and USB . and I also believe that Scott is running the newer 
>>> version
>>> of the Firmware as I am not getting the same menus that Scott can find.
>>> 
>>> Right down to my question I am trying to get Bluetooth up and running on my 
>>> Brailliant 40
>>> And after many many days try and retrying i am still at the same point and 
>>> that is no where.
>>> 
>>> when I put the display on and go down the menus I am only getting 4 or 5 
>>> options 
>>> I have read all the info in text format and this came with this Display so 
>>> it is for it
>>> but the Menu I am getting has only about 4 or 5 options and no matter what 
>>> I try I can not get 
>>> the a dot 7 or 8 under the cursor USB option but I can not find any where 
>>> that has Bluetooth listed as well.
>>> 
>>> I am hoping that someone on the list is using a Brailliant 40 display that 
>>> could help me here please to setup
>>> the Bluetooth option I can not find any where on my manual that gives a 
>>> clue about accessing an advanced menu
>>> that will let me put on the Bluetooth option. 
>>> 
>>> I would be very grateful if you would be so kind to give me an  idiots 
>>> guide on how I can do this Please
>>> I only get a few menu options and after days and days I am still totally 
>>> lost it is getting the best of me.
>>> been using Braille notetakers for years and years with a Braille Lite 18 
>>> Pacmate BX40 and many others
>>> but this little thing has got me right and Good.
>>> 
>>> I am after Bluetooth now because I am going to buy myself the ipad 2 and I 
>>> need a Display to access this as I can't hear Voiceover  I am Deafblind.
>>> 
>>> To save the list any trouble with e-mailings going to it my E-mail is  
>>> ja...@deafblind.com
>>> 
>>> I would be grateful for any help here please as I do wish to buy a ipad 2 
>>> and I need Bluetooth to access it.
>>> 
>>> My very best to you all.
>>> 
>>> Yours
>>> James
>>> 
>>> The highest result of education is tolerance.
>>> Hellen Keller
>>> --
>>> James Gallagher
>>> 
>>> A-Z to Deafblindness 
>>> A Deafblindness Web Resource 
>>> Learn more about Braille Chess at 
>>> My Guide Dogs 
>>> For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at 
>>> 
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Re: Bluetooth on Brailliant 40 Display

[Scott Howell]

hi les,  Thanks I was not sure which keys, so Thanksfor correcting my error. 
Scott Howell
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 27, 2011, at 3:20, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> I use the 6 key on my Connect to move down the options and the 3 key to go 
> the other way.
> 
> Les
> On Mar 26, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Sarai,
>> 
>> He is not able to hear the tones, but aside from this it seems he may have 
>> an older model or at least the steps I recall using on the Brailliant I have 
>> at the office are not working for him. I was trying to remember the steps 
>> since the Brailliant is at the office and I use a Refreshabraille at home.
>> If I recall, you use the first key in the vertical row on the right side, 
>> which is key 4 to move down through the options, is that not correct?
>> Just want to be sure I provided the proper keys for navigating through the 
>> menu options.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> You need to go in to the advanced options on the Brailliant. Hold down the 
>>> 1st and 40th curser router buttons. Then add the 1st and 4th vertical keys. 
>>> You'll hear a beep. Let up on the keys, and you'll be in the advanced menu 
>>> options, where you can change to Bluetooth.
>>> On Mar 26, 2011, at 1:20 PM, James Gallagher wrote:
>>> 
 Hello List sorry for taken up you time here with my Question
 
 I am having some trouble with a Brailliant 40 Braille display
 A very kind fellow member here on this list Mr Scott Howell
 has been trying to help me and I have taken up a lot of his time over the 
 past day or two. But Mr Howell has the new version of the Brailliant
 
 I have the previous model that has plugs for a power adapter, serial 
 connection, and USB . and I also believe that Scott is running the newer 
 version
 of the Firmware as I am not getting the same menus that Scott can find.
 
 Right down to my question I am trying to get Bluetooth up and running on 
 my Brailliant 40
 And after many many days try and retrying i am still at the same point and 
 that is no where.
 
 when I put the display on and go down the menus I am only getting 4 or 5 
 options 
 I have read all the info in text format and this came with this Display so 
 it is for it
 but the Menu I am getting has only about 4 or 5 options and no matter what 
 I try I can not get 
 the a dot 7 or 8 under the cursor USB option but I can not find any where 
 that has Bluetooth listed as well.
 
 I am hoping that someone on the list is using a Brailliant 40 display that 
 could help me here please to setup
 the Bluetooth option I can not find any where on my manual that gives a 
 clue about accessing an advanced menu
 that will let me put on the Bluetooth option. 
 
 I would be very grateful if you would be so kind to give me an  idiots 
 guide on how I can do this Please
 I only get a few menu options and after days and days I am still totally 
 lost it is getting the best of me.
 been using Braille notetakers for years and years with a Braille Lite 18 
 Pacmate BX40 and many others
 but this little thing has got me right and Good.
 
 I am after Bluetooth now because I am going to buy myself the ipad 2 and I 
 need a Display to access this as I can't hear Voiceover  I am Deafblind.
 
 To save the list any trouble with e-mailings going to it my E-mail is  
 ja...@deafblind.com
 
 I would be grateful for any help here please as I do wish to buy a ipad 2 
 and I need Bluetooth to access it.
 
 My very best to you all.
 
 Yours
 James
 
 The highest result of education is tolerance.
 Hellen Keller
 --
 James Gallagher
 
 A-Z to Deafblindness 
 A Deafblindness Web Resource 
 Learn more about Braille Chess at 
 My Guide Dogs 
 For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at 
 
 
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Re: Bluetooth on Brailliant 40 Display

[James Gallagher]

Hello Sarai

well Sarai that got it I am in the Advanced menu and I put Bluetooth on and My 
MacBook Pro found
the Brailliant 40 on the Bluetooth and been using it great.

May I ask another question Please if i may I got an e-mail from a member saying 
that this Display is not 
supported in IOS4  (According to Apple, your version of the Brailliant is not  
supported on IOS 4.)  

can any one here who has the version of the Brailliant 40 please let me know 
that this will work
with the IPad Please. 

again Thank you Sarai and Scott Thank you very much for all your help I am very 
Grateful to you. 

Yours
James

The highest result of education is tolerance.
Hellen Keller
--
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Re: Bluetooth on Brailliant 40 Display

[Isaac Obie]

Hello James,
How are you? Is your brailliant40 working now? My brailliant24 is okay. Write 
when you can.
Isaac
  - Original Message - 
  From: James Gallagher 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Bluetooth on Brailliant 40 Display


  Hello Sarai


  well Sarai that got it I am in the Advanced menu and I put Bluetooth on and 
My MacBook Pro found
  the Brailliant 40 on the Bluetooth and been using it great.


  May I ask another question Please if i may I got an e-mail from a member 
saying that this Display is not 
  supported in IOS4  (According to Apple, your version of the Brailliant is not 
 supported on IOS 4.)  


  can any one here who has the version of the Brailliant 40 please let me know 
that this will work
  with the IPad Please. 


  again Thank you Sarai and Scott Thank you very much for all your help I am 
very Grateful to you. 


  Yours
  James


  The highest result of education is tolerance.
  Hellen Keller
  --
  James Gallagher

  A-Z to Deafblindness 
  A Deafblindness Web Resource 
  Learn more about Braille Chess at 
  My Guide Dogs 
  For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at 



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Re: Bluetooth on Brailliant 40 Display

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
It's supported, definitly supported.
On Mar 27, 2011, at 6:16 AM, James Gallagher wrote:

> Hello Sarai
> 
> well Sarai that got it I am in the Advanced menu and I put Bluetooth on and 
> My MacBook Pro found
> the Brailliant 40 on the Bluetooth and been using it great.
> 
> May I ask another question Please if i may I got an e-mail from a member 
> saying that this Display is not 
> supported in IOS4  (According to Apple, your version of the Brailliant is not 
>  supported on IOS 4.)  
> 
> can any one here who has the version of the Brailliant 40 please let me know 
> that this will work
> with the IPad Please. 
> 
> again Thank you Sarai and Scott Thank you very much for all your help I am 
> very Grateful to you. 
> 
> Yours
> James
> 
> The highest result of education is tolerance.
> Hellen Keller
> --
> James Gallagher
> 
> A-Z to Deafblindness 
> A Deafblindness Web Resource 
> Learn more about Braille Chess at 
> My Guide Dogs 
> For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at 
> 
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Re: Bluetooth on Brailliant 40 Display

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
On the older units, press dots 36 to access menus, then press dot 3 to move 
through options, the newer displays use the instructions I provided below.
On Mar 26, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Sarai,
> 
> He is not able to hear the tones, but aside from this it seems he may have an 
> older model or at least the steps I recall using on the Brailliant I have at 
> the office are not working for him. I was trying to remember the steps since 
> the Brailliant is at the office and I use a Refreshabraille at home.
> If I recall, you use the first key in the vertical row on the right side, 
> which is key 4 to move down through the options, is that not correct?
> Just want to be sure I provided the proper keys for navigating through the 
> menu options.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> You need to go in to the advanced options on the Brailliant. Hold down the 
>> 1st and 40th curser router buttons. Then add the 1st and 4th vertical keys. 
>> You'll hear a beep. Let up on the keys, and you'll be in the advanced menu 
>> options, where you can change to Bluetooth.
>> On Mar 26, 2011, at 1:20 PM, James Gallagher wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello List sorry for taken up you time here with my Question
>>> 
>>> I am having some trouble with a Brailliant 40 Braille display
>>> A very kind fellow member here on this list Mr Scott Howell
>>> has been trying to help me and I have taken up a lot of his time over the 
>>> past day or two. But Mr Howell has the new version of the Brailliant
>>> 
>>> I have the previous model that has plugs for a power adapter, serial 
>>> connection, and USB . and I also believe that Scott is running the newer 
>>> version
>>> of the Firmware as I am not getting the same menus that Scott can find.
>>> 
>>> Right down to my question I am trying to get Bluetooth up and running on my 
>>> Brailliant 40
>>> And after many many days try and retrying i am still at the same point and 
>>> that is no where.
>>> 
>>> when I put the display on and go down the menus I am only getting 4 or 5 
>>> options 
>>> I have read all the info in text format and this came with this Display so 
>>> it is for it
>>> but the Menu I am getting has only about 4 or 5 options and no matter what 
>>> I try I can not get 
>>> the a dot 7 or 8 under the cursor USB option but I can not find any where 
>>> that has Bluetooth listed as well.
>>> 
>>> I am hoping that someone on the list is using a Brailliant 40 display that 
>>> could help me here please to setup
>>> the Bluetooth option I can not find any where on my manual that gives a 
>>> clue about accessing an advanced menu
>>> that will let me put on the Bluetooth option. 
>>> 
>>> I would be very grateful if you would be so kind to give me an  idiots 
>>> guide on how I can do this Please
>>> I only get a few menu options and after days and days I am still totally 
>>> lost it is getting the best of me.
>>> been using Braille notetakers for years and years with a Braille Lite 18 
>>> Pacmate BX40 and many others
>>> but this little thing has got me right and Good.
>>> 
>>> I am after Bluetooth now because I am going to buy myself the ipad 2 and I 
>>> need a Display to access this as I can't hear Voiceover  I am Deafblind.
>>> 
>>> To save the list any trouble with e-mailings going to it my E-mail is  
>>> ja...@deafblind.com
>>> 
>>> I would be grateful for any help here please as I do wish to buy a ipad 2 
>>> and I need Bluetooth to access it.
>>> 
>>> My very best to you all.
>>> 
>>> Yours
>>> James
>>> 
>>> The highest result of education is tolerance.
>>> Hellen Keller
>>> --
>>> James Gallagher
>>> 
>>> A-Z to Deafblindness 
>>> A Deafblindness Web Resource 
>>> Learn more about Braille Chess at 
>>> My Guide Dogs 
>>> For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at 
>>> 
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Re: adium 1.4.1 won't add msn contacts even when the e-mail addresses are correct any one know what's up?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey I use the Samnet Socializer at the University but when I use it, I don't 
get an authorization request there. Only with Adium do I get an authorization 
request. And that's cool about them fixing these kinds of issues in their new 
version, I hope they'll also have contacts signing in and out spoken as well as 
typed messages spoken just like the Windows Screen Readers do.

Shawn

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RE: Drop Box

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Recardo. 
Thanks so much. I got Dropbox set up. Even the windows side I had to use the
JAWS cursor to install it. How about the status menu? I tried to find it but
it's not where I would expect it to be.

Thanks so much.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 6:15 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Drop Box

Exactly.

Although voiceover is telling you that dropbox has no windows, there is
indeed a window.  It says somethings like Welcome to Dropbox.  And then the
options create an account or I have an existing account are displayed
underneath.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org



On Mar 25, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Ricardo, I assume that I need to open dropbox and get help activating it?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 4:45 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Drop Box
> 
> Ah yes,
> 
> This is what I thought.  You need to activate dropbox on your Mac.
> Unfortunately, dropbox broke the voiceover accessibility for this in their
> last update.  You need sighted help to get dropbox up and running on your
> Mac.  After that, you will have the dropbox folder in your Home folder by
> default if you so choose, and you with have access to the vital functions
of
> dropbox.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:29 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> 
>> Hello Ricardo. Yes I created and activated my account on the windows side
>> and logged in and downloaded the app on the mac side. I don't see my drop
>> box folder and I'm not sure that I got a good download. I can't remove
the
>> app and start over because it runs at startup and I don't know how to
stop
>> this. Also, I don't know how to be sure that my download completed
>> successfully in safari. If I can clean up and start again I should be
able
>> to fix this. Any suggestions are appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 8:09 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Drop Box
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is probably a silly question but, did you activate and sign  in to
> drop
>> box.  Or just download it? 
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Jef. I don't see the drop box in my home folder and it looks like
>> spotlite is gone from the menu system as part of 10.6.7. Can you tell me
> how
>> large the ap file is? I'm not sure I got a good download. Finally, with
>> Safari, how do I know when my download is complete. If I have to
> redownload
>> drop box how do I prevent it from starting when I reboot so that I can
> clean
>> up before doing the download?
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jes Smith
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:48 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Cc: theeternal...@gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: Drop Box
>>> 
>>> I downloaded dropbox and when I open it it says I don't have any
windows.
>> It continues to stay open even when I reboot my machine. Is this normal?
>>> Yes, it's working as it should.
>>> Also, it's supposed to create a folder on my mac. Where is it created?
>>> It's in your home folder. When in the finder, Press command-shift-h and
>> look for the word dropbox. That's where it's created.
>>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2011, at 5:27 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone. I downloaded dropbox and when I open it it says I don't
>> have any windows. It continues to stay open even when I reboot my
machine.
>> Is this normal? Also, it's supposed to create a folder on my mac. Where
is
>> it created? Finally, I'm not sure that I got a good download. When
>> downloading files, How can I check to make sure that the download was
>> completen in safari?
>>> Thanks so much.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Printers and scanners

[Joseph Norton]

Hi listers:

I am amazed at the simplicity of my Mac.

I have a Cannon MX 320 printer/scanner.

When I first connected to my Windows PC, I had to install this driver disk 
which required mousing around just to get it installed and it took several 
minutes just to install.

When I plugged the thing into this Mac Mini, all I had to do was hit "Print" 
and away it went.

What about the scanner portion?  I tried using it with Openbook, but, it didn't 
seem to see it.

I'm running VMWare Fusion.  Do I need to connect the device directly and use 
the driver disk for the scanner?

Thanks!

Currently running headless!

Joseph Norton
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Blue tooth headset

[louie]

Hi all,
I just got a new bluetooth headset. it's the M100 by plantronics. The headset 
when turned on tells me that power is on and it tells me the talk time that is 
left before it binds with my Mac mini. When the power is turned off the headset 
tells me power off. These announcement are spoken in a pleasant female voice. 
After the binding process is completed a dialog comes up telling me 
BluetoothAudioAgent dialog alert Would you like to use the Bluetooth 
“1xxPlantronics (Mono)” as your audio device? Use This Device default button. 
If you click the default button all of the audio is heard through the head set. 
The headset tells you that you are connected. When you turn off the headset the 
default system audio is restored. I have tried skype and a VOIP client using 
the headset and it works well. The cost is 59 bucks from the apple store.

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Turning off all-caps spelling

[Victor Tsaran]

Hello guys,
I reckon the answer to my question would be "this is currently
impossible", but I thought I'd risk asking the list anyway...
Oftentimes I come across the heading or a line of text where each
letter is capitalized. In these instances Voiceover spells each letter
which ,as you can imagine, is not only annoying but also
time-consuming.
Is there any trick or work-around where I can force Voiceover to treat
all-caps as lowercase or turn this feature off altogether?

Thanks for any tips.
Best,
Vic

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Re: Blue tooth headset

[Mary Otten]

I looked up this plantronics m100, but it looks like it does not include a2dp. 
I understood that one needed that in order to hear voiceover. Perhaps I missed 
it, but I did look on two different websites of vendors who carry this product, 
and the description for the m100 didn't reference a2dp.

Mary

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Re: Blue tooth headset

[louie]

Marry,
It works with voice over. My wife got it from the apple store. She checked that 
it would work on my Mac mini and that it worked with voice over.

On Mar 27, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> I looked up this plantronics m100, but it looks like it does not include 
> a2dp. I understood that one needed that in order to hear voiceover. Perhaps I 
> missed it, but I did look on two different websites of vendors who carry this 
> product, and the description for the m100 didn't reference a2dp.
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
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Default Applications?

[Teresa Cochran]

I have both Open Office and Pages on my Mac Mini. I'd like to have Word 
documents open with Pages instead of OO. How would I do this, aside from 
uninstalling OO? I'm not quite ready to do this yet.

Thanks,
Teresa

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Re: Blue tooth headset

[Mary Otten]

I wonder if that business about a2dp and voice over applies just to the 
i-devices? not the Mac? but why would it be different?

Mary
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Are two drives alike?

[Geoff Waaler]

Greetings all,

Recently a friend found a 500 GB Passport at the Apple store for twice what I 
paid for my 1TB drive last year.  It said that it was for MacOS, but since my 
MBP has no trouble finding or reading my drive, I didn't see this deal as a 
bargin exactly.

This afternoon I searched the US Amazon site for the string: "passport tb" and 
noticed that the prices for the "mac" drives are consistently higher than their 
"windows" counterparts.  Two examples follow:

Western Digital My Passport SE for Mac 1 TB USB 2.0 Portable External Hard 
Drive (Silver) $117.27
vs:
Western Digital My Passport Essential SE 1 TB USB 3.0/2.0 Ultra Portable 
External Hard Drive (Black) (Windows) $89.99

I'm not certain whether these products are identical.  The color varies, as 
does the fact that the more expensive drive's description emits the word 
"essential", and does not support USB 3.0 (which may not be applicable for 
MACOS yet anyway).

My older drive came with software that I never use -- is this the only 
difference between the two drive models?  If so, would I care about the 
software in the MacOS platform?  I assume I could se either drive with 
timeMachine and to store files?

TIA for any input and best regards.
Geoff

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Two unrelated inquiries: Garage band accessibility and unlabeled Flash Player buttons on Web site

[Christine Grassman]

Hello, folks. I've got two today:
1. I was told that one could make ringtones from one's music using Garage Band. 
I launched Garage Band, selected "ringtones" and discovered that is as far as I 
can apparently go. Apparently, according to sighted assistance, I can move 
around the screen, but VO says nothing except the first layer of choices. Is 
there something which can be done about this? Is anything else accessible in 
Garage Band, or is it a lost cause? 
Second, I was checking out a Web site where one can take Irish  vocabulary and 
grammar lessons.  There is a demo, so I went to it. One needs Adobe Flash 
Player, so I downloaded and installed that.  However, the "play" buttons for 
the audio, though visible, are not labeled to tell VO to direct me where to 
click. Is this a lost cause, or is there a way to use VO commands to search the 
screen for such buttons? Thanks for any help.
The Web site, in the event someone is curious to take a look, is
http://bitesizeirish.com
Christine

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Re: Default Applications?

[Zachary Kline]

Hi,
Select a word document, and hit cmd-i to open the Get Info window.  There is an 
item to pick which application opens the file, and a "Change All" button next 
to it which will make all subsequent Word files open via the same program.
Hope this helps,
Zack.
On Mar 27, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> I have both Open Office and Pages on my Mac Mini. I'd like to have Word 
> documents open with Pages instead of OO. How would I do this, aside from 
> uninstalling OO? I'm not quite ready to do this yet.
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
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Re: Two unrelated inquiries: Garage band accessibility and unlabeled Flash Player buttons on Web site

[Mike Arrigo]

Can't help with the garage band issue since I don't use it, as far as flash 
goes, unfortunately, it's not accessible on the mac, Adobe has been unwilling 
to make flash accessible on the mac. Hopefully, in time, html5 will replace 
flash. The html5 player on youtube, for example, is very accessible.
On Mar 27, 2011, at 4:49 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> Hello, folks. I've got two today:
> 1. I was told that one could make ringtones from one's music using Garage 
> Band. I launched Garage Band, selected "ringtones" and discovered that is as 
> far as I can apparently go. Apparently, according to sighted assistance, I 
> can move around the screen, but VO says nothing except the first layer of 
> choices. Is there something which can be done about this? Is anything else 
> accessible in Garage Band, or is it a lost cause? 
> Second, I was checking out a Web site where one can take Irish  vocabulary 
> and grammar lessons.  There is a demo, so I went to it. One needs Adobe Flash 
> Player, so I downloaded and installed that.  However, the "play" buttons for 
> the audio, though visible, are not labeled to tell VO to direct me where to 
> click. Is this a lost cause, or is there a way to use VO commands to search 
> the screen for such buttons? Thanks for any help.
> The Web site, in the event someone is curious to take a look, is
> http://bitesizeirish.com
> Christine
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Re: Turning off all-caps spelling

[Kevin Shaw]

when Voiceover reads caps as individual letters, it thinks the caps form an 
acronym. Weird, especially 'cause there are vowels in the headings.

I haven't found a workaround, but for common text, I'd put the word in the 
pronunciation dictionary and mark it as case sensitive.

Kevin

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Ordering songs within an itunes playlist

[Daniel Montalvo Charameli]

that's my problem today. I'm trying to set a specific order within a playlist 
and I don't know how yo do it. I've been playing with the track number but 
Itunes not always cares about this and does not respect the number of tracks I 
have selected for the different songs. I have tried the drag and drop option 
implemented in Voice Over but i cannot make it work either. 


Thanks a lot in advances for helping!

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Re: acapella voices

[Johchi]

On 3/26/2011 6:21 AM, AZ wrote:

Hi.
You can go to http://www.assistiveware.com/purchaseonline.php and buy 
for example one of english voices and get Heather for free which looks 
like Samantha. Nuance doesn't sell voices directly, but they'll come 
in the next release of Mac OS X.

AZ
26.03.2011 9:47, Kevin Gibbs writes:

Guys,
I went to Nuance.com and couldn't find any place where I could buy
more voices.  Where should I have gone?  Also, where can I buy the a
capella voices?  Assistiveware.com?  A Capella Group.com?  Somewhere
else?  I'd be happy with just Samantha or Vicky that I had on PC, SAPI
voices from AT&T, I think.   I just want a change like a pleasant
female voice from time to time.
Any thoughts?
Kevin


Arn't the sapi voices you used on the PC transferable to the Mac?


Johnny

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Re: Are two drives alike?

[Bryan Jones]

Hey Geoff,

Both of your examples will work fine with a Mac. The non-Mac version is NTFS 
and will need to be formatted as HFS+ or whatever format you want. The Mac 
version does come with some mac backup software, and there's mention of disk 
encryption, but if it's just going to be used to house time machine backups etc 
either drive will work fine. If you still wanted to try the WD mac software, 
maybe you would have an option to download it from western digital's site after 
the fact. Just a thought.

Interestingly, on Amazon the Mac-specific version seems to only be available in 
silver while the non-Mac version comes in Silver, Black, Metallic Blue and 
Metallic Red, and prices for the last three range from $112 to $120 US. I guess 
the black NTFS version is the bargain of this particular bunch.

FYI in case you weren't already aware of this -- If you're searching Amazon and 
want to be able to check prices and availability of an item that happens to be 
available in various sizes, colors, etc, such as clothing or hard drives, you 
might want to try Amazon's accessible site at www.amazon.com/access. Amazon's 
regular website must use javascript or something like that to present the 
different size, color and price options within an item description, and I have 
a heck of a time trying to navigate that with VO. I find that the accessible 
site makes it much easier to select from the various options to find out about 
pricing and availability.

HTH,
Bryan

On Mar 27, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
> Recently a friend found a 500 GB Passport at the Apple store for twice what I 
> paid for my 1TB drive last year.  It said that it was for MacOS, but since my 
> MBP has no trouble finding or reading my drive, I didn't see this deal as a 
> bargin exactly.
> 
> This afternoon I searched the US Amazon site for the string: "passport tb" 
> and noticed that the prices for the "mac" drives are consistently higher than 
> their "windows" counterparts.  Two examples follow:
> 
> Western Digital My Passport SE for Mac 1 TB USB 2.0 Portable External Hard 
> Drive (Silver) $117.27
> vs:
> Western Digital My Passport Essential SE 1 TB USB 3.0/2.0 Ultra Portable 
> External Hard Drive (Black) (Windows) $89.99
> 
> I'm not certain whether these products are identical.  The color varies, as 
> does the fact that the more expensive drive's description emits the word 
> "essential", and does not support USB 3.0 (which may not be applicable for 
> MACOS yet anyway).
> 
> My older drive came with software that I never use -- is this the only 
> difference between the two drive models?  If so, would I care about the 
> software in the MacOS platform?  I assume I could se either drive with 
> timeMachine and to store files?

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Re: Printers and scanners

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Joseph,
I would connect the device and give it to your Windows VM.  You would need the 
driver disk, I imagine.  Windows, virtualized or not, isn't smart enough to be 
able to use all functions of all devices without manufacturer support.  Of 
course, the same is true of macs, but it might sometimes seem to not be so.  At 
any rate, yes, use the disk, as long as it works with your virtualized Windows 
version of course.
Best,
Zack.
On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi listers:
> 
> I am amazed at the simplicity of my Mac.
> 
> I have a Cannon MX 320 printer/scanner.
> 
> When I first connected to my Windows PC, I had to install this driver disk 
> which required mousing around just to get it installed and it took several 
> minutes just to install.
> 
> When I plugged the thing into this Mac Mini, all I had to do was hit "Print" 
> and away it went.
> 
> What about the scanner portion?  I tried using it with Openbook, but, it 
> didn't seem to see it.
> 
> I'm running VMWare Fusion.  Do I need to connect the device directly and use 
> the driver disk for the scanner?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Currently running headless!
> 
> Joseph Norton
> joseph.nor...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: getting an apple e-mail account with out subscribing to mobile me?

[M. Taylor]

I do not think it is possible to get an Apple email address without either 
being an Apple employee or paying for a mobile me account.

Mark

On Mar 26, 2011, at 1:31 PM, trahern culver wrote:

> hey all i have an apple id but ide quite like an apple e-mail address
> how do i get one with out subscribing to mobile me?
> 
> your help with this question would be most welcom!!
> 
> kind regards trahern.
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Any VO limitations or concerns? Praises?

[Johchi]

Hi folks,
I'm not a Mac user yet, but I am learning sooo much by gtleaning from 
this wonderful

list.
My question has to do with convincing the PA State agency that getting 
VO and the
MacBook for me is a better choice then the traditional Windows screen 
reader setup.

But I want to be completely honest with you:
Since I'm not currently an Apple products user, I really don't know if 
the Mac is
really the best way for me to go.  I'm an educated professional piano 
technician
who is also a musician keyboardist.  But the State won't purchase 
anything for me
based on personal musical ambition.  I have joined this list and the 
AiPhone list
in order to hear for myself just how accessible the apple platform 
really is.  I
must say that I am quite amazed beyond words on how much blind folks are 
able to
accomplish on the touch screen iPhone.  So needless to say, I am looking 
forward
to the iPhone 5 when it comes out, and I'll probably be getting 
something in an iPhone
for myself at that time.  But anyway, getting back to my situation with 
the State

getting me some new computer equipment:
Their immediate response to my interests for having a Mac was negative.  
Why?  Because
the guy hired to do my equipment evaluation has had zero experience 
using a Mac and
so he told the agency that he felt that it was in his opinion that it 
was a bad idea
to get me a Mac.  I immediately came back with saying to them that it 
was my right
to make my own choice as to what equipment I would like to have use of.  
And that
my choice of equipment was being discriminated against based on their 
lack of knowledge
and understanding of the subject.  They then quickly changed their tune 
and gave
me another equipment evaluator to work with me who they say is familiar 
with the
Mac platform and said that they would have to go with his 
recommendations thereafter.

I have yet to meet with this second person.
Consequently, in the meantime I am needing to get as much concrete 
evidence that
VO on a Mac is perfectly viable and that everything I need to do on the 
MacBook is
accessible, or better yet, even better accessible then the Windows / 
Microsoft platform

using the latest WE screen reader alone..
So I need to locate information supporting the ability for the blind to 
be able to
use the MacBook successfully.Please be so kind as to briefly speak to 
this matter
with either your own testimonies of your own success and support, or 
negatatives
and concerns concerning the use of the Apple Mac platform for the blind 
computer

user.
Thanks much,
--
Johnny Chilelli
pianot...@neo.rr.com
814-450-5433

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Re: Ordering songs within an itunes playlist

[Kevin Shaw]

You can use cut and paste within an iTunes playlist to reorder songs.

Kevin

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Re: Any VO limitations or concerns? Praises?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Well,
You could point them to the 500+ users on both list serves, and show them the 
list archives. You can go to www.applevis.com. Personally, I'll never go back 
to Windows. I have been a Mac user for 11 months, and can do everything on a 
Mac that I was doing on Windows.
On Mar 27, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Johchi wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I'm not a Mac user yet, but I am learning sooo much by gtleaning from this 
> wonderful
> list.
> My question has to do with convincing the PA State agency that getting VO and 
> the
> MacBook for me is a better choice then the traditional Windows screen reader 
> setup.
> But I want to be completely honest with you:
> Since I'm not currently an Apple products user, I really don't know if the 
> Mac is
> really the best way for me to go.  I'm an educated professional piano 
> technician
> who is also a musician keyboardist.  But the State won't purchase anything 
> for me
> based on personal musical ambition.  I have joined this list and the AiPhone 
> list
> in order to hear for myself just how accessible the apple platform really is. 
>  I
> must say that I am quite amazed beyond words on how much blind folks are able 
> to
> accomplish on the touch screen iPhone.  So needless to say, I am looking 
> forward
> to the iPhone 5 when it comes out, and I'll probably be getting something in 
> an iPhone
> for myself at that time.  But anyway, getting back to my situation with the 
> State
> getting me some new computer equipment:
> Their immediate response to my interests for having a Mac was negative.  Why? 
>  Because
> the guy hired to do my equipment evaluation has had zero experience using a 
> Mac and
> so he told the agency that he felt that it was in his opinion that it was a 
> bad idea
> to get me a Mac.  I immediately came back with saying to them that it was my 
> right
> to make my own choice as to what equipment I would like to have use of.  And 
> that
> my choice of equipment was being discriminated against based on their lack of 
> knowledge
> and understanding of the subject.  They then quickly changed their tune and 
> gave
> me another equipment evaluator to work with me who they say is familiar with 
> the
> Mac platform and said that they would have to go with his recommendations 
> thereafter.
> I have yet to meet with this second person.
> Consequently, in the meantime I am needing to get as much concrete evidence 
> that
> VO on a Mac is perfectly viable and that everything I need to do on the 
> MacBook is
> accessible, or better yet, even better accessible then the Windows / 
> Microsoft platform
> using the latest WE screen reader alone..
> So I need to locate information supporting the ability for the blind to be 
> able to
> use the MacBook successfully.Please be so kind as to briefly speak to this 
> matter
> with either your own testimonies of your own success and support, or 
> negatatives
> and concerns concerning the use of the Apple Mac platform for the blind 
> computer
> user.
> Thanks much,
> --
> Johnny Chilelli
> pianot...@neo.rr.com
> 814-450-5433
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Re: Two unrelated inquiries: Garage band accessibility and unlabeled Flash Player buttons on Web site

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Christine -- Regarding the Irish lessons website, do you have the Click To 
Flash extension installed in Safari on your Mac? The reason I ask is that I 
just tried the demo on the site and didn't seem to have any problems, so 
perhaps it might be my clicktoflash extension doing it's thing. Just a guess. 
When I clicked the "Demo" link and navigated down the page I found a list of 
lessons, the first of which was labeled "Ribbon dot free dot PNG, Your first 
bite of Irish Gaelic: Numbers."  I pressed VO Spacebar and was presented with 
lesson one, which was in text format and totally accessible. I'm not sure if 
I'm missing something though. Are these lessons supposed to be videos or just 
text as this one appears to be?

If you've already successfully installed the flash player, you can install the 
Click To Flash extension from within Safari by going to the Safari Menu / 
Safari Extensions Gallery and then searching for "clicktoflash" no quotes or 
spaces. Install it, exit and re-launch Safari, and then try the site again.

HTH,
Bryan

On Mar 27, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> Second, I was checking out a Web site where one can take Irish  vocabulary 
> and grammar lessons.  There is a demo, so I went to it. One needs Adobe Flash 
> Player, so I downloaded and installed that.  However, the "play" buttons for 
> the audio, though visible, are not labeled to tell VO to direct me where to 
> click. Is this a lost cause, or is there a way to use VO commands to search 
> the screen for such buttons? Thanks for any help.
> The Web site, in the event someone is curious to take a look, is
> http://bitesizeirish.com

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Re: Any VO limitations or concerns? Praises?

[Bryan Jones]

Hello Johnny,

Welcome to the List! Perhaps you could help us to help you by giving us a list 
of the specific tasks you need to be able to perform with a computer. While the 
Mac is good, it's not the best tool for everything and there are some things 
that just are not possible on the Mac. Microsoft Office, for example, is not 
accessible to VoiceOver on the Mac. There are alternative word processing and 
spreadsheet programs that are *mostly* accessible on the Mac, but if MS Office 
is a must have, you need to weigh your options carefully. In as few words as 
possible, tell us exactly what you are using now, what you absolutely need to 
use going forward, and I'm sure you will get plenty of responses.

Cheers,
Bryan

On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Johchi wrote:
> My question has to do with convincing the PA State agency that getting VO and 
> the
> MacBook for me is a better choice then the traditional Windows screen reader 
> setup.

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Re: Any VO limitations or concerns? Praises?

[Chantelle Griffiths]

Hi Johnny, 

I can totally see where you're coming from regarding your Mac and VO queries, 
but it's difficult to say, in your particular situation, whether the Mac would 
be the right choice for you because we don't know what you want to use it for. 
For example, if you're wanting to be able to write and read musical notation, 
the Mac might not be the best choice because, as far as I'm aware, there isn't 
any accessible musical notation creation software available for the Mac yet. I 
used to use Sibelius under Windows with Jaws and have seen nothing to compare 
on the Mac side yet, though I'm sure that a similar solution won't be far away. 
However, if you want to do things such as use email, browse the internet and do 
basic word processing, (by basic I mean without a lot of complicated 
formatting,) the Mac might be a viable choice for you. You can also use 
spreadsheets and create presentations with little trouble. 

I believe for basic music creation, (rather than notation,) there are some good 
choices, such as using Garageband, as one example. As I understand it, the more 
advanced Logic and Pro Tools have a way to go in terms of accessibility. I am 
currently using Garageband and have found it does most of what I want it to do 
in my own musical endeavours for the moment. 

There are accessible finance management programs available, and you are able to 
read most common file types with ease, including PDF. The calendar and address 
book are accessible, as is iTunes and a host of third party applications. There 
are also a growing number of podcasts and other resources available to you that 
demonstrate the various aspects of the Mac and VoiceOver. 

VoiceOver itself is very customisable and you can accomplish tasks in a variety 
of different ways. As an experienced Jaws user, I have found there are little 
things that VO can't do for me personally in the way I was used to, but those 
are convenience things more than functional limitations and I have found easy 
alternatives and work-arounds that work well for me. Coming from a Windows 
background, the switch to the Mac can be a bit of a learning curve, and I 
personally can't compare one with the other as they are vastly different. But 
from my own experience, switching to the Mac has been one of the best decisions 
I've made from a technology point of view. Certainly the initial cost may be a 
bit higher when purchasing the Mac you want, but as VoiceOver is built into the 
operating system, the costs of accessibility are much less on an ongoing basis. 

I've only really touched on the music-related issues I see, being a musician 
and composer myself, and there are undoubtedly other questions or concerns not 
raised here that others will have different opinions on, but I focussed 
primarily on the music side of things as that was one aspect you mentioned you 
were interested in. If you're looking for something for a work or study 
situation, you might also want to consider the time you'll need to invest in 
learning the Mac and VoiceOver and whether that will impact your situation. If 
it's more for personal use, that is less of an issue, but the considerations 
lie more in what else you want to be able to do with it, e.g. social 
networking, DVD ripping, communicating with friends and family etc and whether 
you're able to do those things comfortably on a Mac. I use a variety of 
different programs for the above, including skype, Hand Brake, instant 
messaging and twitter clients in conjunction with Apple Mail and Safari, and 
have found that I can accomplish all I used to do in Windows and more, and in 
some cases, in a much more efficient manner. Also, Apple and a lot of app 
developers are often extremely approachable if you have accessibility concerns 
with particular apps or suggestions for VoiceOver improvement, and developers 
will often work with you to enhance their apps for VO users where they can. 

It's also worth bearing in mind that there are ways to access Windows on a Mac, 
either by dual booting your system like I do with Windows running separately, 
or through virtualisation software which will still enable you to use Windows 
programs if you need to. I only really use Windows now for audio editing with 
Sound Forge, and that's by choice at the moment rather than limitations on the 
Mac side, and occasionally for viewing word documents that have complex 
formatting that VO misses.  

I hope this helps and that I haven't confused you. 

Cheers,
Chantelle.




On 28/03/2011, at 11:51 AM, Johchi wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I'm not a Mac user yet, but I am learning sooo much by gtleaning from this 
> wonderful
> list.
> My question has to do with convincing the PA State agency that getting VO and 
> the
> MacBook for me is a better choice then the traditional Windows screen reader 
> setup.
> But I want to be completely honest with you:
> Since I'm not currently an Apple products user, I really don't know if the 
> Mac is
> really the bes

please may i have an Amadeus Pro skype practical session with some on?

[trahern culver]

hey all i'm looking to started with Amadeus Pro please could some one
give me a Amadeus Pro skype practical to get me started?

if any one help my skype name is

treymantan

your help with this request would be most welcome!!

kind regards trahern.

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canseling an axidently created apple i d?

[trahern culver]

hey all when i called apple care in the u k an apple i d was axidently
created for me my question to you all is this how i counsal it??

your help with this question would be most welcom!!

kind regards trahern.

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short cuts to get to the top and bottem of the message list in mail?

[trahern culver]

hey all what are the short cuts to get to the top and bottem of the
message list in mail?

your help with this question would be most welcom!!

kind regards trahern.

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Users guide for keystrokes for the apple bluetooth keyboard to use it with the Iphone

[Dean Adams]

Hi Everyone,
Does anyone have a users guide or know where I can download 
a users guide for the apple bluetooth keyboard  mainly the keystrokes 
that can be used for the iphone once paired.

Regards Dean

!!!Thoughts become things so choose the good ones because Life's to 
short to be a grumble bum !!!

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   * Phone: 0243206031
   * Skype: deanadams9
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Re: short cuts to get to the top and bottem of the message list in mail?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

hold down the option key and press the up or down arrow to get to the top or 
bottom of the list.  If your Mac makes that bong noise, just ignore it and keep 
holding down the 2 keys for half a second longer.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org



On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:20 PM, trahern culver wrote:

> hey all what are the short cuts to get to the top and bottem of the
> message list in mail?
> 
> your help with this question would be most welcom!!
> 
> kind regards trahern.
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Re: Users guide for keystrokes for the apple bluetooth keyboard to use it with the Iphone

[wes smith]

I seam to remember Josh wrote something on Maccessibility.  Someone else
will have to find the link, cause I can't seam to find it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:21 PM, Dean Adams  wrote:

Hi Everyone,
Does anyone have a users guide or know where I can download a users
guide for the apple bluetooth keyboard  mainly the keystrokes that can be
used for the iphone once paired.
Regards Dean

*!!!Thoughts become things so choose the good ones because Life's to short
to be a grumble bum* !!!

   - *Email: d...@internode.on.net **
   - Phone: 0243206031
   - Skype: deanadams9 **
   - Mobile: 0428133758 *

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Re: Any VO limitations or concerns? Praises?

[Johchi]

Hi Brian,

First thanks for the kind welcome.

Well, my life is pretty simple.  As a piano tuner, I need a straight 
forward database program, - which there is no real solution for screen 
reader users in windows to date.  A simple checking/accounting program.  
In Windows there is a good check book program called Money Talks.  I'm 
wondering if there is a Mac version of this program.  Anyway, I don't 
use a spreadsheet much except for the schedule I get from my supervisor 
where I work part time at the VA Hospital here.  Email is of course a 
must have along with the internet.  Lastly, in what I would really use 
daily is a daily planner and or calendar.  These last two items are also 
not an viable solution in Windows except for Outlook Express's calendar 
which I don't use because I don't use Outlook Express at all.  If I 
think about anything else I will let you all know.


Incidentally, because I am a musician, I do use a windows program called 
Quick Windows Sequencer, (QWS).  Is anyone on the list familiar with 
this program?  Is there a simalar program for the Mac?  Now I know that 
you can also run a virtual windows on the Mac that will accommidate 
these Windows based programs I do use, but at this time, I am only 
interested in what we as blind folks can and cannot do on the Mac Apple 
platform.


Thanks again,

Johnny

On 3/27/2011 11:04 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

Hello Johnny,

Welcome to the List! Perhaps you could help us to help you by giving us a list 
of the specific tasks you need to be able to perform with a computer. While the 
Mac is good, it's not the best tool for everything and there are some things 
that just are not possible on the Mac. Microsoft Office, for example, is not 
accessible to VoiceOver on the Mac. There are alternative word processing and 
spreadsheet programs that are *mostly* accessible on the Mac, but if MS Office 
is a must have, you need to weigh your options carefully. In as few words as 
possible, tell us exactly what you are using now, what you absolutely need to 
use going forward, and I'm sure you will get plenty of responses.

Cheers,
Bryan

On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Johchi wrote:

My question has to do with convincing the PA State agency that getting VO and 
the
MacBook for me is a better choice then the traditional Windows screen reader 
setup.


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Re: Drop Box

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

The status menu is not accessible with voiceover with installed 3rd party apps. 
 Their is a work around for this though.  Problem is, in the latest version of 
dropbox, they have some how managed to make the preferences window totally 
inaccessible with voiceover once you've used the work around to access the 
dropbox menu from the status bar. :(.  Its a let down but, not a complete 
disaster.  Dropbox isn't one of those apps where one really needs to constantly 
be making changes to its settings.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org



On Mar 27, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Recardo. 
> Thanks so much. I got Dropbox set up. Even the windows side I had to use the
> JAWS cursor to install it. How about the status menu? I tried to find it but
> it's not where I would expect it to be.
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 6:15 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Drop Box
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> Although voiceover is telling you that dropbox has no windows, there is
> indeed a window.  It says somethings like Welcome to Dropbox.  And then the
> options create an account or I have an existing account are displayed
> underneath.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> 
>> Ricardo, I assume that I need to open dropbox and get help activating it?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
>> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 4:45 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Drop Box
>> 
>> Ah yes,
>> 
>> This is what I thought.  You need to activate dropbox on your Mac.
>> Unfortunately, dropbox broke the voiceover accessibility for this in their
>> last update.  You need sighted help to get dropbox up and running on your
>> Mac.  After that, you will have the dropbox folder in your Home folder by
>> default if you so choose, and you with have access to the vital functions
> of
>> dropbox.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:29 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Ricardo. Yes I created and activated my account on the windows side
>>> and logged in and downloaded the app on the mac side. I don't see my drop
>>> box folder and I'm not sure that I got a good download. I can't remove
> the
>>> app and start over because it runs at startup and I don't know how to
> stop
>>> this. Also, I don't know how to be sure that my download completed
>>> successfully in safari. If I can clean up and start again I should be
> able
>>> to fix this. Any suggestions are appreciated.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 8:09 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Drop Box
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This is probably a silly question but, did you activate and sign  in to
>> drop
>>> box.  Or just download it? 
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Jef. I don't see the drop box in my home folder and it looks like
>>> spotlite is gone from the menu system as part of 10.6.7. Can you tell me
>> how
>>> large the ap file is? I'm not sure I got a good download. Finally, with
>>> Safari, how do I know when my download is complete. If I have to
>> redownload
>>> drop box how do I prevent it from starting when I reboot so that I can
>> clean
>>> up before doing the download?
 
 Thanks so much.
 
 
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jes Smith
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:48 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Cc: theeternal...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: Drop Box
 
 I downloaded dropbox and when I open it it says I don't have any
> windows.
>>> It continues to stay open even when I reboot my machine. Is this normal?
 Yes, it's working as it should.
 Also, it's supposed to create a folder on my mac. Where is it created?
 It's in your home folder. When in the finder, Press command-shift-h and
>>> look for the word dropbox. That's where it's created.
 
 On Mar 24, 2011, at 5:27 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
 
 
 Hello everyone. I downloaded dropbox and when I open it it says I don't
>>> have any windows. It continues to stay open even when I reboot my
> machine.
>>> Is this

Re: short cuts to get to the top and bottem of the message list in mail?

[Simon Cavendish]

This is quite brilliant. Thanjks, Ricardo!
On 28 Mar 2011, at 04:35, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> hold down the option key and press the up or down arrow to get to the top or 
> bottom of the list.  If your Mac makes that bong noise, just ignore it and 
> keep holding down the 2 keys for half a second longer.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:20 PM, trahern culver wrote:
> 
>> hey all what are the short cuts to get to the top and bottem of the
>> message list in mail?
>> 
>> your help with this question would be most welcom!!
>> 
>> kind regards trahern.
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Can't reply to messages on the list

[Simon Cavendish]

Hello,

Over the past couple of days, when I try to reply to a message posted on the 
list, my reply bounces with the information that I may not be allowed to post 
to the group or that the group may not exist. Does anyone ever have a problem 
like this?

Simon

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Frustration With Groups and Address Book

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, folk,

Ok, I give up, and that isn't easy for me to do. When I try to create a new 
group in Address book, there is no edit field for the name, and it always gets 
named "untitled." I've also tried selecting a number of noncontiguous addresses 
in all contacts. No problem there. When I go into the file menu, the "add to 
group using selection" option is dimmed! I've verified several times that these 
five addresses are highlighted. So now I'm absolutely stumped. Can anyone 
please help??!!

TIA,
Teresa

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Re: Frustration With Groups and Address Book

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Teresa,

that's a bit tricky because VoiceOver doesn't work properly in this case. 

So do the following:
1. Interact with the group table and set your VO cursor on the new group.
2. Route the mouse cursor to VoiceOver cursor by pressing CTRL + Option + CMD + 
F5.
3. Turn VoiceOver off by pressing CMD F5.
4. Press Enter.
6. Type the new group name.
7. Press Enter again. (I'm not sure but that might be not necessary.)
8. Turn VoiceOver on again.
That's it.

All the best
Jürgen
Am 28.03.2011 um 08:04 schrieb Teresa Cochran:

>   Hi, folk,
> 
> Ok, I give up, and that isn't easy for me to do. When I try to create a new 
> group in Address book, there is no edit field for the name, and it always 
> gets named "untitled." I've also tried selecting a number of noncontiguous 
> addresses in all contacts. No problem there. When I go into the file menu, 
> the "add to group using selection" option is dimmed! I've verified several 
> times that these five addresses are highlighted. So now I'm absolutely 
> stumped. Can anyone please help??!!
> 
> TIA,
> Teresa
> 
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Re: Frustration With Groups and Address Book

[Teresa Cochran]

Beautiful. Thanks, Jurgen. That worked. Now I'll see if I can put some 
addresses in my new group.

Teresa
On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:37 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Hi Teresa,
> 
> that's a bit tricky because VoiceOver doesn't work properly in this case. 
> 
> So do the following:
> 1. Interact with the group table and set your VO cursor on the new group.
> 2. Route the mouse cursor to VoiceOver cursor by pressing CTRL + Option + CMD 
> + F5.
> 3. Turn VoiceOver off by pressing CMD F5.
> 4. Press Enter.
> 6. Type the new group name.
> 7. Press Enter again. (I'm not sure but that might be not necessary.)
> 8. Turn VoiceOver on again.
> That's it.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> Am 28.03.2011 um 08:04 schrieb Teresa Cochran:
> 
>>  Hi, folk,
>> 
>> Ok, I give up, and that isn't easy for me to do. When I try to create a new 
>> group in Address book, there is no edit field for the name, and it always 
>> gets named "untitled." I've also tried selecting a number of noncontiguous 
>> addresses in all contacts. No problem there. When I go into the file menu, 
>> the "add to group using selection" option is dimmed! I've verified several 
>> times that these five addresses are highlighted. So now I'm absolutely 
>> stumped. Can anyone please help??!!
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Teresa
>> 
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Followup Re: Frustration With Groups and Address Book

[Teresa Cochran]

I selected the addresses I wanted to go to my new group, copied them, then 
pasted them in. No problem. Thanks again for the assist, Jurgen.

Teresa
On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:37 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Hi Teresa,
> 
> that's a bit tricky because VoiceOver doesn't work properly in this case. 
> 
> So do the following:
> 1. Interact with the group table and set your VO cursor on the new group.
> 2. Route the mouse cursor to VoiceOver cursor by pressing CTRL + Option + CMD 
> + F5.
> 3. Turn VoiceOver off by pressing CMD F5.
> 4. Press Enter.
> 6. Type the new group name.
> 7. Press Enter again. (I'm not sure but that might be not necessary.)
> 8. Turn VoiceOver on again.
> That's it.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> Am 28.03.2011 um 08:04 schrieb Teresa Cochran:
> 
>>  Hi, folk,
>> 
>> Ok, I give up, and that isn't easy for me to do. When I try to create a new 
>> group in Address book, there is no edit field for the name, and it always 
>> gets named "untitled." I've also tried selecting a number of noncontiguous 
>> addresses in all contacts. No problem there. When I go into the file menu, 
>> the "add to group using selection" option is dimmed! I've verified several 
>> times that these five addresses are highlighted. So now I'm absolutely 
>> stumped. Can anyone please help??!!
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Teresa
>> 
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