Upgrading to garageband6.0.1

2011-01-12 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

I and a few others that I know of have been unable to upgrade to garageband 
6.0.1 via software update.  Here goes a link to manually download Garageband 
6.0.1 for those who need to update.
http://goo.gl/en9jT

hth 

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Re: iPhone and iPOD Touch differences?

2011-01-12 Thread Ricardo Walker
Do you have a link where I could check this out?  I couldn't find anything.

tia

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On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Yeah they migh thave changed the name but sprint now has, or will have a case 
> to do this. Like I said they migh thave changed the name but there ya go.
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:20 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I haven't seen anywhere that the apple peal is supported by sprint.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
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>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> and now from sprint there is I believe it's called the apple peal and it 
>>> will run on the 3g network. Not sure if that's a good thing but maybe 
>>> there's a bt adapter for headphones someday.
>>> 
>>> s
>>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> 
 The ipod touch does not work wth bluetooth gps receivers unfortunately, I 
 wish it did. It will run all the same apps. Like you said, the camera is 
 better, there are accessories you can get to allow the ipod touch to work 
 with GPS, not sure how well they work though.
 On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm curious what you all know about the differences between the iPhone4 
> and the iPod touch, other than the obvious phone capabilities of course.
> 
> I've had my eye on the iPhone since shortly after getting a mac, and as 
> anyone following me on twitter could tell you I kept a close eye on any 
> rumors about when it would get to Verizon. Strangely, now that Verizon 
> has finally made it official, I'm suddenly not sure. The idea of adding 
> another $30 to my bill for a smartphone data plan is a little hard to 
> swallow. From what I can tell, the iPod touch can run all of the same 
> apps, and I'm satisfied with a phone that places calls and does text 
> messaging. Of course the touch can only use wifi, but if I'm away from a 
> wifi connection, I'm probably quite busy doing something and don't need 
> those distractions anyway.
> 
> From what I have been able to gather, the phone has a far better camera, 
> which is only compelling if there is a great OCR app available to use it 
> with. More important is that the iPOD doesn't appear to have GPS 
> functionality. One would hope that standard bluetooth GPS receivers would 
> work with the touch and allow the use of apps such as Navigon. If not, it 
> would seem odd if there wasn't a GPS receiver among the hundreds of 
> add-ons designed specifically for the iPOD touch. Does anyone know if 
> this is possible?
> 
> Other than these, what other differences have you guys noticed?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Justin
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Re: iPhone and iPOD Touch differences?

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
I had a link about a few months ago but I have since done a clean up of my mail 
boxes and made the message go away. lol! I'll have to look in my all mail 
filder when I am actually awake. lol!

Sorry about that.
On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:44 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Do you have a link where I could check this out?  I couldn't find anything.
> 
> tia
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Yeah they migh thave changed the name but sprint now has, or will have a 
>> case to do this. Like I said they migh thave changed the name but there ya 
>> go.
>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:20 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I haven't seen anywhere that the apple peal is supported by sprint.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 and now from sprint there is I believe it's called the apple peal and it 
 will run on the 3g network. Not sure if that's a good thing but maybe 
 there's a bt adapter for headphones someday.
 
 s
 On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
> The ipod touch does not work wth bluetooth gps receivers unfortunately, I 
> wish it did. It will run all the same apps. Like you said, the camera is 
> better, there are accessories you can get to allow the ipod touch to work 
> with GPS, not sure how well they work though.
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm curious what you all know about the differences between the iPhone4 
>> and the iPod touch, other than the obvious phone capabilities of course.
>> 
>> I've had my eye on the iPhone since shortly after getting a mac, and as 
>> anyone following me on twitter could tell you I kept a close eye on any 
>> rumors about when it would get to Verizon. Strangely, now that Verizon 
>> has finally made it official, I'm suddenly not sure. The idea of adding 
>> another $30 to my bill for a smartphone data plan is a little hard to 
>> swallow. From what I can tell, the iPod touch can run all of the same 
>> apps, and I'm satisfied with a phone that places calls and does text 
>> messaging. Of course the touch can only use wifi, but if I'm away from a 
>> wifi connection, I'm probably quite busy doing something and don't need 
>> those distractions anyway.
>> 
>> From what I have been able to gather, the phone has a far better camera, 
>> which is only compelling if there is a great OCR app available to use it 
>> with. More important is that the iPOD doesn't appear to have GPS 
>> functionality. One would hope that standard bluetooth GPS receivers 
>> would work with the touch and allow the use of apps such as Navigon. If 
>> not, it would seem odd if there wasn't a GPS receiver among the hundreds 
>> of add-ons designed specifically for the iPOD touch. Does anyone know if 
>> this is possible?
>> 
>> Other than these, what other differences have you guys noticed?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Justin
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2011-01-12 Thread Justin Thornton
worked fine here, was able to play automatically on my mac
On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:12 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> The video flash is all grade out and there is no actual Q&A.  All it is is 
> flash videos and none of them will play.
> 
> 
> Sincerely, 
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
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>> Here is the q&a for apple and VZ. Read more:
>> 
>> http://bit.ly/hVrUdz
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Re: Hopeful news on the future accessibility of Star Breed, a Science Fiction gamebook for iOS

2011-01-12 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose
This game sounds awesome!
Hopefully everything will work out, although perhaps a very gentle
email every couple of months might not go a miss just to see how / if
things are working out.

Infact, I'd probably go as far as saying that based on your
description, this sounds like it could become my favourite ios game.

On 12/01/2011, Orin  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I contacted the developer of this game. The core of the game is accessible,
> the story. However, the story requires you to hack into terminals, help
> people with networking, etc, as the main character you're Well rounded with
> combat but you primarily perform hacking operations.
>
> The hacking and combat battles come in the form of visual minigames that,
> depending on how played, effect the outcome of the battle. Possible outcomes
> either you could probably die, get injured, get critically injured, etc.
>
> Since i paid $2.99 for this app, I was slightly disappointed that the
> battles weren't playable, as that's what makes up most of the game, besides
> telling a sweet story in the process.
>
> Right now, all we can do is read the introduction and start what I think is
> a tutorial. The problem? You have to hack the security of a Tank, where it
> becomes unplayable. Was surprised to get a response back. Took a few days,
> but here it is.
>
> P.S. Anyone know how to contact EA Mobile? They've got two totally text
> based games at least that's what I read in reviews, yet VoiceOver is
> completely inaccessible with them. These inparticular would be nice to
> become accessible due to weekly content and or story updates.
>
>
>
>
>
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> orin8...@gmail.com
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>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Agni Studios 
>> Date: January 12, 2011 2:03:38 AM EST
>> To: Orin 
>> Subject: Re: Regarding Star Breed
>>
>> Hi Orin,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting us.
>>
>> We are sorry you are having a difficult time playing Star Breed. The hack
>> section was unfortunately designed to be graphical in nature. Voice Over
>> is something that we unfortunately failed to consider while designing the
>> hack mini games. Our sincere apologies. In fact, we have been contacted by
>> a few other VO users too regarding this exact same issue. So, we're
>> discussing this internally to see what's the best way we can implement
>> this for VO users. We're just a 2 man team, so we don't have the kind of
>> resources that the bigger companies do. But, we'll research this more and
>> come back to you soon.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Suresh V. Selvaraj,
>> Co-Founder,
>> Agni Studios
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2011, at 6:54 AM, Orin wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I just bought Star Breed today because I heard about it on a gamebook
>>> site I was on. Being blind, text based games are a great way to pass the
>>> time since very little graphics are involved. In the case of Star Breed,
>>> using VoiceOver it was difficult to get through the first two intro
>>> screens or so, but I figured it out eventually. The part where I get
>>> stuck though is when I have to help an engineer with a Tank. When I jack
>>> in, I see a screen that says security threat detected or something like
>>> that, with something that says chip timer sequence and medium. When I
>>> double-tap either one of those, the VoiceOver gesture for click, nothing
>>> happens.
>>>
>>> Is there possibly anything you can do to make this accessible for
>>> VoiceOver blind users? The story parts are great, but so far I'm unable
>>> to hack to get passed this tank thing. Love the music I've heard both in
>>> the main menu and in the game, on the intro and getting briefed, hope
>>> there's a few more tracks. And I hope you guys can somehow make this
>>> accessible so my money would be well spent and I can continue the game.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Orin
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>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks
>>> Skype: orin1112
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Question about searching from within folders

2011-01-12 Thread Lynn Schneider
I thought I was opening a container of rice pudding, but instead opened a 
container of sour cream.  I knew I had some recipes on my Mac that contained 
sour cream, so, not wanting to waste the sour cream, thought I'd bring them up 
and find one but just cannot figure out how to do it.  My recipes are all in a 
folder called recipes in my documents folder.  I first opened my recipes 
folder, then used option-F to bring up the find dialog and typed in sour cream 
in the search box, but I can't figure out how to make it just search the 
recipes folder and not the whole entire hard drive.  I know how to do it in 
Windows, but not sure on the Mac side.  Any help would be most gratefully 
appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Question about searching from within folders

2011-01-12 Thread Carolyn Haas
Hi Lynn:
Try interacting with the recipes folder.  Then use item chooser (vo-i) and put 
in sour cream.
Hope that helps.

Carolyn H
On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote:

> I thought I was opening a container of rice pudding, but instead opened a 
> container of sour cream.  I knew I had some recipes on my Mac that contained 
> sour cream, so, not wanting to waste the sour cream, thought I'd bring them 
> up and find one but just cannot figure out how to do it.  My recipes are all 
> in a folder called recipes in my documents folder.  I first opened my recipes 
> folder, then used option-F to bring up the find dialog and typed in sour 
> cream in the search box, but I can't figure out how to make it just search 
> the recipes folder and not the whole entire hard drive.  I know how to do it 
> in Windows, but not sure on the Mac side.  Any help would be most gratefully 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Lynn
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garageband question

2011-01-12 Thread joseph
hi list

how to add soundfonts in garageband?

thanks in advance

best

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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Jon Cohn
You probably have an extra character in the Try.  I generally interact with the 
error message and find the quoted  text of what it found and then single  
character through that.

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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Jon Cohn
If you open the apple script editor there is a link to the Language Guide in 
the Help menu.  The Language guide has two full pages defining classes that are 
available and what they mean and what parameters you can use.

Jonathan 

On Jan 11, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Jane wrote:

> Anyone got a link to good info on AppleScript/ Manuals, texts to read, etc.? 
> Used to have that kind of thing but that was when I had an iBook.  Now I want 
> to get back into it.
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> No the file does not have an extention. Now I need to figure out why apple 
>> script utility suddenly won't let me arrow through my script! Growl! Ok will 
>> try and give a shout of sucess or more frustration.
>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Greg Williams wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sarah,
>>> You are getting the "end tell" error because you don't need the first end 
>>> tell.  The tell statement is written like an if statement in a lot of 
>>> commands.  If you have a one-line if statement, you don't need the "end 
>>> if", but if it is a multiple line command, then you need the "end if".  
>>> Since your tell statement tells skype what to do on the same line, you 
>>> don't need the "end tell".
>>> I am not sure about the second part.  Do you normally click on the file and 
>>> it brings up terminal, or do you bring up terminal and then issue the 
>>> command to start it from the command line?  If it is the latter, then you 
>>> would issue thee command like you did in the script to vacuum your mail.  
>>> However, if you normally click on the file, then I think the script should 
>>> look like:
>>> 
 try
 tell application "skype" to activate
 tell application "finder"
 open file "clisk_mac" in home
 end tell
 end try
>>> If terminal is the default application to open the file, you don't have to 
>>> tell it to use terminal.  Also if the file has an extension, you need to 
>>> include that in the file name.  Hopefully that helps; I'm not very good 
>>> with applescript either.
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 Ok I'm almost there but right as I complied I got this.
 
 Expected “end” or “on” but found “end tell”.
 
 Here is the script. For some reason these infovox voices won't let me 
 arrow through the thing so I'm suigm text edit to write the thing instead.
 
 try
 tell application "skype" to activate
 end tell
 tell application "finder"
 open "~clisk_mac" using terminal.app
 end tell
 end try
 
 
 I think 'm close but I cannot put my finger on it.
 
 SOn Jan 11, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> If its an application which is not in the list accessible by applescript, 
> you need to use finder to open it
> 
> Tell application "skype"activate
> Endt tell
> Tell application "finder"
> Open "application.app" of folder "applications" of startup disk
> End tell
> 
> Just on top of my head, but this is what is done for documents and 
> folders, so it also applies to files thus applications and scripts too.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Question about searching from within folders

2011-01-12 Thread Lynn Schneider
Hi Carolyn.  Actually, what I was hoping was that it could search the contents 
of the recipes in a certain folder for this one ingredient.  In some recipes, 
sour cream isn't in the file name itself, so was hoping I could get it to 
search the contents.  I could do this on Windows quite easily, so am hoping for 
a way to do it on Mac, or maybe a program that I could download that will do 
this for me.

Thanks so much for your help.
On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Lynn:
> Try interacting with the recipes folder.  Then use item chooser (vo-i) and 
> put in sour cream.
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Carolyn H
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote:
> 
>> I thought I was opening a container of rice pudding, but instead opened a 
>> container of sour cream.  I knew I had some recipes on my Mac that contained 
>> sour cream, so, not wanting to waste the sour cream, thought I'd bring them 
>> up and find one but just cannot figure out how to do it.  My recipes are all 
>> in a folder called recipes in my documents folder.  I first opened my 
>> recipes folder, then used option-F to bring up the find dialog and typed in 
>> sour cream in the search box, but I can't figure out how to make it just 
>> search the recipes folder and not the whole entire hard drive.  I know how 
>> to do it in Windows, but not sure on the Mac side.  Any help would be most 
>> gratefully appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Lynn
>> 
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New to the iphon intrested in opinions and have a question or two.

2011-01-12 Thread Scott Ford
Hello everyone,
I have been learning my iphone for the last day or two.  I am using the 
keyboard in the touch and then tap with another finger to choose an item.  Is 
this the best way that people have found to type?  Or have people found that 
the drag and release method to be better?  If so I cannot for the life of me 
find where that is changed.  Could someone tell me how to change the setting?  
I saw on the list that one can lock the screen, is there a reason that one 
would want to and why?  Can someone repost that setting as well?  I saved it 
however I cannot find it.  
Now.  I have also saw on the list how to change from archiving gmail 
message to deleting them, I saved that as well, however I cannot find that post 
either.  Can you tell me how?  Is there a way to keep the mail application 
running in the background and switch to other applications or just always have 
it collecting messages?  Thank you for your help. b  
 my opinion and observations.  I am a service connected vet and the VA 
has spent a lot of money on me for adaptive technology.  I sit here and learn 
how to use this device and I am amazed that a company has not taken this 
approach until now.  We have had to endure technology that looks like it was 
developed in soviet Russia for so many years.  In fact we still have devices 
that look and operate this way and cost money that one only shakes their head 
in disgust.  With this device I can operate it totally independent of anyones 
assistance.  I plugged it into my computer and I did not have to do any setup, 
it just worked.  I was syncing with my address book in minutes.  The speech is 
whip lash fast and responsive.  I was using an HTC 4200, when I got it it was 
considered fast.  The speech delay was awful and navigation was painful.  I 
have a device that is a very powerful PDA and could be so much more, however it 
cost around 6200.  and the company will not open the environment for 
development.  I have been pa rousing the app store and I can replace every 
application pick up a braille display and still not reach that cost.  Please 
keep in mind the apps will differ a bit, however in most cases they are 
superior.  I was told by a friend that if one buys an app and it is not 
accessible you can go to the mac store and they will refund your purchase.  I 
certain do not see the adaptive technology company doing that when we discover 
that we cannot accomplish that task that we had intended for the machine to do. 
 I could go on and on but this will get old quickly.
Thank you all for your help.
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Re: Question about searching from within folders

2011-01-12 Thread Jon Cohn
1. Open the folder 
2. Hit command-option F to put the cursor in the find selector 
3. Enter Sour cream 
4. Stop Interacting with the tool bar 
5. Hit VO-Right three times  
6. You should be on a radio button that says "This Mac"
7. One more VO-RIght and you will be on recipes. Hit this radio button 8. Now 
continue until you find the standard Finder sub-windows...

Best of luck,

Jonathan

  
On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote:

> Hi Carolyn.  Actually, what I was hoping was that it could search the 
> contents of the recipes in a certain folder for this one ingredient.  In some 
> recipes, sour cream isn't in the file name itself, so was hoping I could get 
> it to search the contents.  I could do this on Windows quite easily, so am 
> hoping for a way to do it on Mac, or maybe a program that I could download 
> that will do this for me.
> 
> Thanks so much for your help.
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> Hi Lynn:
>> Try interacting with the recipes folder.  Then use item chooser (vo-i) and 
>> put in sour cream.
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Carolyn H
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote:
>> 
>>> I thought I was opening a container of rice pudding, but instead opened a 
>>> container of sour cream.  I knew I had some recipes on my Mac that 
>>> contained sour cream, so, not wanting to waste the sour cream, thought I'd 
>>> bring them up and find one but just cannot figure out how to do it.  My 
>>> recipes are all in a folder called recipes in my documents folder.  I first 
>>> opened my recipes folder, then used option-F to bring up the find dialog 
>>> and typed in sour cream in the search box, but I can't figure out how to 
>>> make it just search the recipes folder and not the whole entire hard drive. 
>>>  I know how to do it in Windows, but not sure on the Mac side.  Any help 
>>> would be most gratefully appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Lynn
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Re: Question about searching from within folders

2011-01-12 Thread Ricardo Walker
Wow!

using spotlight sounds a whole lot faster and easier.

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On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:

> 1. Open the folder 
> 2. Hit command-option F to put the cursor in the find selector 
> 3. Enter Sour cream 
> 4. Stop Interacting with the tool bar 
> 5. Hit VO-Right three times  
> 6. You should be on a radio button that says "This Mac"
> 7. One more VO-RIght and you will be on recipes. Hit this radio button 8. Now 
> continue until you find the standard Finder sub-windows...
> 
> Best of luck,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote:
> 
>> Hi Carolyn.  Actually, what I was hoping was that it could search the 
>> contents of the recipes in a certain folder for this one ingredient.  In 
>> some recipes, sour cream isn't in the file name itself, so was hoping I 
>> could get it to search the contents.  I could do this on Windows quite 
>> easily, so am hoping for a way to do it on Mac, or maybe a program that I 
>> could download that will do this for me.
>> 
>> Thanks so much for your help.
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Lynn:
>>> Try interacting with the recipes folder.  Then use item chooser (vo-i) and 
>>> put in sour cream.
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> Carolyn H
>>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote:
>>> 
 I thought I was opening a container of rice pudding, but instead opened a 
 container of sour cream.  I knew I had some recipes on my Mac that 
 contained sour cream, so, not wanting to waste the sour cream, thought I'd 
 bring them up and find one but just cannot figure out how to do it.  My 
 recipes are all in a folder called recipes in my documents folder.  I 
 first opened my recipes folder, then used option-F to bring up the find 
 dialog and typed in sour cream in the search box, but I can't figure out 
 how to make it just search the recipes folder and not the whole entire 
 hard drive.  I know how to do it in Windows, but not sure on the Mac side. 
  Any help would be most gratefully appreciated.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
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garageband question

2011-01-12 Thread joseph

hello list

how to ad soundfont files with sf2 format and use them with the latest 
garageband?


thank you in advance

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soulseek client for mac.

2011-01-12 Thread Nektarios Mallas
Hi list. 
I am trying to use the soulseek client and it looks that it is very accessible. 
There are a few things. When you locate something that you want to download, 
how do you select and activate that? I managed to download something but I am 
not sure how. VO + Shift + M doesn't seem to work. 
Any help?
Nektarios.

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Non english layouts in VoiceOver search

2011-01-12 Thread AZ

Hi.

Using Windows and Jaws i frequently press "Ctrl+f" to find necessary 
word on a page. I know, the same feature exists in Voice Over search, 
"VO+f", but once i press this combination i cann't switch between 
languages to choose an other one. VoiceOver says that this combination 
is not supported here, once i switch the needed language before this 
combination i cann't call search feature because combinations in Mac OS 
X work only in english layout. Maybe someone has an advice?

Thanks

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Re: New to the iphon intrested in opinions and have a question or two.

2011-01-12 Thread Brandon Olivares
Hi,

That's interesting. I use the same method when typing, where I keep one finger 
on the screen, stop when I reach the letter I want, and just tap the phone with 
another finger.

If you want to change the typing mode, when you are in a message, change the 
rotor to the left until it says "typing mode." Now if you flick down, it will 
toggle between "standard typing" and "touch typing." "Touch typing" is the 
setting where the key is entered when your finger is lifted from it.

Yes, you can lock the screen. It is on the top of the phone, to the right of 
the headphone jack. The phone by default locks automatically after one minute, 
but I disabled that setting. Check out the screen lock setting under general in 
settings.

If you want to delete mail instead of archive, go to Setting > Mail, Contacts, 
Calendars > Gmail > Archive Messages. If you double tap archive messages, it 
will turn it off.

I agree that the iPhone is amazing. I've never seen any device that has been so 
accessible. It seems that as a rule, things that are made for blind people are 
(1) really expensive and (2) use proprietary formats, so they can't interface 
with other devices very well.

Brandon
On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Scott Ford wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>   I have been learning my iphone for the last day or two.  I am using the 
> keyboard in the touch and then tap with another finger to choose an item.  Is 
> this the best way that people have found to type?  Or have people found that 
> the drag and release method to be better?  If so I cannot for the life of me 
> find where that is changed.  Could someone tell me how to change the setting? 
>  I saw on the list that one can lock the screen, is there a reason that one 
> would want to and why?  Can someone repost that setting as well?  I saved it 
> however I cannot find it.  
>   Now.  I have also saw on the list how to change from archiving gmail 
> message to deleting them, I saved that as well, however I cannot find that 
> post either.  Can you tell me how?  Is there a way to keep the mail 
> application running in the background and switch to other applications or 
> just always have it collecting messages?  Thank you for your help. b  
>my opinion and observations.  I am a service connected vet and the VA 
> has spent a lot of money on me for adaptive technology.  I sit here and learn 
> how to use this device and I am amazed that a company has not taken this 
> approach until now.  We have had to endure technology that looks like it was 
> developed in soviet Russia for so many years.  In fact we still have devices 
> that look and operate this way and cost money that one only shakes their head 
> in disgust.  With this device I can operate it totally independent of anyones 
> assistance.  I plugged it into my computer and I did not have to do any 
> setup, it just worked.  I was syncing with my address book in minutes.  The 
> speech is whip lash fast and responsive.  I was using an HTC 4200, when I got 
> it it was considered fast.  The speech delay was awful and navigation was 
> painful.  I have a device that is a very powerful PDA and could be so much 
> more, however it cost around 6200.  and the company will not open the 
> environment for development.  I have been pa rousing the app store and I can 
> replace every application pick up a braille display and still not reach that 
> cost.  Please keep in mind the apps will differ a bit, however in most cases 
> they are superior.  I was told by a friend that if one buys an app and it is 
> not accessible you can go to the mac store and they will refund your 
> purchase.  I certain do not see the adaptive technology company doing that 
> when we discover that we cannot accomplish that task that we had intended for 
> the machine to do.  I could go on and on but this will get old quickly.
> Thank you all for your help.
> Scott
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Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

2011-01-12 Thread Marlaina Lieberg
I hope the moderators will follow through and move to read-only status those 
persons who continue to disregard the very reasonable requests regarding 
language.  

Marlaina, a very happy A T & T customer who has never been treated with 
anything but respect and professionalism by A T & T.

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Re: New to the iphon intrested in opinions and have a question or two.

2011-01-12 Thread Marc Workman
1. I prefer touch typing, and I suspect most users do, though I'm sure there 
are those that prefer the standard method.  To switch to touch typing: use 
the roter to select typing method.  Put two fingers on the screen and rotate 
them either clockwise or counterclockwise until you hear voiceover say 
typing method.  Lift your two fingers, and then swipe up or down with a 
single finger until you hear VO say touch typing.  You are now using touch 
typing.  Note that certain keys, e.g., shift, delete, return, etc, will 
still require you to select them using the standard method.


2. I keep the orientation locked all the time.  The main reason is that I 
don't like VO to interupt and tell me that it has switched orientations 
whenever I sit down or when the phone shifts while in my pocket.  I also 
have never found a need to use landscape mode.  To lock orientation: press 
the home button twice to go to the app switcher.  Use three fingers to swipe 
in a horizontal motion from left to right.  Flick around until you find the 
lock orientation changes button.  Double tap that button.  You've now locked 
the orientation.


3. I don't use gmail on the phone so cannot help here.

Lastly, I only mention this in case you're not aware.  You can search the 
archives to find posts you may have discarded.  I used to keep every post 
that I thought might come in handy some time down the road.  Now I delete 
them knowing that if I have a related question, I can go to the archives and 
find the answer.  To get to the archives, just do a google search for the 
viphone googlegroup.  I use these so often that I have bookmarked them. 
Then I go to the site, type in my search terms, and can usually find what 
I'm looking for.  It can some times be difficult to find specific things, 
but I also often end up finding things I wasn't particularly looking for.


Best,

Marc
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Ford" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:57 AM
Subject: New to the iphon intrested in opinions and have a question or two.


Hello everyone,
I have been learning my iphone for the last day or two.  I am using the 
keyboard in the touch and then tap with another finger to choose an item. 
Is this the best way that people have found to type?  Or have people found 
that the drag and release method to be better?  If so I cannot for the life 
of me find where that is changed.  Could someone tell me how to change the 
setting?  I saw on the list that one can lock the screen, is there a reason 
that one would want to and why?  Can someone repost that setting as well?  I 
saved it however I cannot find it.
Now.  I have also saw on the list how to change from archiving gmail message 
to deleting them, I saved that as well, however I cannot find that post 
either.  Can you tell me how?  Is there a way to keep the mail application 
running in the background and switch to other applications or just always 
have it collecting messages?  Thank you for your help. b
my opinion and observations.  I am a service connected vet and the VA has 
spent a lot of money on me for adaptive technology.  I sit here and learn 
how to use this device and I am amazed that a company has not taken this 
approach until now.  We have had to endure technology that looks like it was 
developed in soviet Russia for so many years.  In fact we still have devices 
that look and operate this way and cost money that one only shakes their 
head in disgust.  With this device I can operate it totally independent of 
anyones assistance.  I plugged it into my computer and I did not have to do 
any setup, it just worked.  I was syncing with my address book in minutes. 
The speech is whip lash fast and responsive.  I was using an HTC 4200, when 
I got it it was considered fast.  The speech delay was awful and navigation 
was painful.  I have a device that is a very powerful PDA and could be so 
much more, however it cost around 6200.  and the company will not open the 
environment for development.  I have been pa rousing the app store and I can 
replace every application pick up a braille display and still not reach that 
cost.  Please keep in mind the apps will differ a bit, however in most cases 
they are superior.  I was told by a friend that if one buys an app and it is 
not accessible you can go to the mac store and they will refund your 
purchase.  I certain do not see the adaptive technology company doing that 
when we discover that we cannot accomplish that task that we had intended 
for the machine to do.  I could go on and on but this will get old quickly.

Thank you all for your help.
Scott

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Braille Display Won't Stay Paired With My IPod Touch

2011-01-12 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi, folk,

It seems that I have to pair my Focus 40 Blue every time I want to use it with 
the IPod. I was under the impression that I would only need to do this once. 
Although I'm getting better at entering the pin via the touch keyboard, it's 
still kind of a pain. Do bluetooth devices need to be paired every time they 
are used with IOS4?

Thanks,
Teresa  

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Re: Apple to add Wi-Fi hotspot to GSM iPhone with iOS 4.3 - rumor

2011-01-12 Thread Scott Granados
Thether is in the menu but you need to activate the service with your carrier I 
believe.  It should say something about contacting ATT.

As for unlocked, no you need to have the phone unlocked if that's possible.  I 
do not have a good handle on the procedure yet.

Thanks
Scott

On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Scott Ford wrote:

> Hello,
>   I just received a new Iphon from the VA yesterday and I saw that it had 
> tethering in one of the menus.  Does this mean that if I started to use it I 
> would be charged an extra 30 a month?  Am I correct in believing that since 
> the VA purchased the phone straight from apple without a plan that the phone 
> is unlocked.  My wife was telling me that before I went and got a sim card 
> for the phone all kinds of launges were scrolling accross the screen.  I  
> would kind of like to know if it is unlocked.  Thank you for any help.
> Scott
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> 
>> sure, give me a minute.  will want to clean up  all the stuff at the top.
>> Karen
>> 
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually  it's 30 not 20 according to what a rep told me. but yeah can you 
>>> copy the article in case others of us saw just the slash link?
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 5:04 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>> 
 I could read it fine, and will copy if others cannot.
 apparently this feature is only available if the carrier offers it.
 at&T does not on the personal level, its an extra $20.
 Since the feature is already built into the new verizon phone, they must 
 plan to offer it for free, its in the settings menu and can just be turned 
 on or off.
 Or so I gathered from a fast read lol.
 Karen
 
 On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
> I could not read the article as all it  shows is a link coded as slash. 
> but if this happens will we not have to pay for tethering for at&t or VZ
> 
> read more if you can:
> 
> http://dlvr.it/D7KPM
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Re: Apple to add Wi-Fi hotspot to GSM iPhone with iOS 4.3 - rumor

2011-01-12 Thread Scott Granados
I bet if it's in there there will be a way to activate it.

Just like the old tethering on the windows phones.

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> Hi,
> 
> The article is about mobile hotspots.  It doesn't mention tethering.  It says 
> Mobile hotspot will be coming in IOS 4.3.  But it will be carrier specific.  
> So ATT can still shut it down.
> 
> hth 
> 
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> On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I could not read the article as all it  shows is a link coded as slash. but 
>> if this happens will we not have to pay for tethering for at&t or VZ
>> 
>> read more if you can:
>> 
>> http://dlvr.it/D7KPM
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Papa Sangre: Anyone Finish This Game, and What Do You Think?

2011-01-12 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi, all,

Personally, I loved the game; one of the best I've ever played on any platform. 
I still play the levels I like most, or try and see how much I can play nonstop 
when I'm on the bus. BTW, for those who don't know, this is a game for IOS4 on 
the mobile devices.

Thanks,
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Re: iPhone and iPOD Touch differences?

2011-01-12 Thread Scott Granados
Right, the peal is GSM only.

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> 
> I haven't seen anywhere that the apple peal is supported by sprint.
> 
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> On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> and now from sprint there is I believe it's called the apple peal and it 
>> will run on the 3g network. Not sure if that's a good thing but maybe 
>> there's a bt adapter for headphones someday.
>> 
>> s
>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>>> The ipod touch does not work wth bluetooth gps receivers unfortunately, I 
>>> wish it did. It will run all the same apps. Like you said, the camera is 
>>> better, there are accessories you can get to allow the ipod touch to work 
>>> with GPS, not sure how well they work though.
>>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm curious what you all know about the differences between the iPhone4 
 and the iPod touch, other than the obvious phone capabilities of course.
 
 I've had my eye on the iPhone since shortly after getting a mac, and as 
 anyone following me on twitter could tell you I kept a close eye on any 
 rumors about when it would get to Verizon. Strangely, now that Verizon has 
 finally made it official, I'm suddenly not sure. The idea of adding 
 another $30 to my bill for a smartphone data plan is a little hard to 
 swallow. From what I can tell, the iPod touch can run all of the same 
 apps, and I'm satisfied with a phone that places calls and does text 
 messaging. Of course the touch can only use wifi, but if I'm away from a 
 wifi connection, I'm probably quite busy doing something and don't need 
 those distractions anyway.
 
 From what I have been able to gather, the phone has a far better camera, 
 which is only compelling if there is a great OCR app available to use it 
 with. More important is that the iPOD doesn't appear to have GPS 
 functionality. One would hope that standard bluetooth GPS receivers would 
 work with the touch and allow the use of apps such as Navigon. If not, it 
 would seem odd if there wasn't a GPS receiver among the hundreds of 
 add-ons designed specifically for the iPOD touch. Does anyone know if this 
 is possible?
 
 Other than these, what other differences have you guys noticed?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Accessible Apps on IOS4 Devices

2011-01-12 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi, all,

I guess today's my day for stirring the pot by starting some threads on this 
list. :) Anyhow, I'd like to know if Apple or anyone else might have started a 
listing of accessible apps for Ipod/iPad/Iphone. I'm particularly interested in 
games, but would love to see what else might be accessible. Could folks chime 
in here and tell me what they have found to be accessible?

Thanks,
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Re: Non english layouts in VoiceOver search

2011-01-12 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Az,

I'm afraid I don't understand what you're doing. I use both the British English 
and the French keyboard layout with no trouble at all. Are you using a layout 
that has a completely different character set such as greek or Russian? If so, 
I'll try to look into your problem.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Hi.
> 
> Using Windows and Jaws i frequently press "Ctrl+f" to find necessary word on 
> a page. I know, the same feature exists in Voice Over search, "VO+f", but 
> once i press this combination i cann't switch between languages to choose an 
> other one. VoiceOver says that this combination is not supported here, once i 
> switch the needed language before this combination i cann't call search 
> feature because combinations in Mac OS X work only in english layout. Maybe 
> someone has an advice?
> Thanks
> 
>AZ
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Re: New to the iphon intrested in opinions and have a question or two.

2011-01-12 Thread Scott Granados
Here Here Scott!

There has been a definite movement towards more off the shelf technology 
recently and this can only be a good thing for our community.

Apple really is a good example of accessibility done well.  I hope Apple and 
others go with this company policy and put real pressure on the freedom 
scientifics and similar of the world.



On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Scott Ford wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>   I have been learning my iphone for the last day or two.  I am using the 
> keyboard in the touch and then tap with another finger to choose an item.  Is 
> this the best way that people have found to type?  Or have people found that 
> the drag and release method to be better?  If so I cannot for the life of me 
> find where that is changed.  Could someone tell me how to change the setting? 
>  I saw on the list that one can lock the screen, is there a reason that one 
> would want to and why?  Can someone repost that setting as well?  I saved it 
> however I cannot find it.  
>   Now.  I have also saw on the list how to change from archiving gmail 
> message to deleting them, I saved that as well, however I cannot find that 
> post either.  Can you tell me how?  Is there a way to keep the mail 
> application running in the background and switch to other applications or 
> just always have it collecting messages?  Thank you for your help. b  
>my opinion and observations.  I am a service connected vet and the VA 
> has spent a lot of money on me for adaptive technology.  I sit here and learn 
> how to use this device and I am amazed that a company has not taken this 
> approach until now.  We have had to endure technology that looks like it was 
> developed in soviet Russia for so many years.  In fact we still have devices 
> that look and operate this way and cost money that one only shakes their head 
> in disgust.  With this device I can operate it totally independent of anyones 
> assistance.  I plugged it into my computer and I did not have to do any 
> setup, it just worked.  I was syncing with my address book in minutes.  The 
> speech is whip lash fast and responsive.  I was using an HTC 4200, when I got 
> it it was considered fast.  The speech delay was awful and navigation was 
> painful.  I have a device that is a very powerful PDA and could be so much 
> more, however it cost around 6200.  and the company will not open the 
> environment for development.  I have been pa rousing the app store and I can 
> replace every application pick up a braille display and still not reach that 
> cost.  Please keep in mind the apps will differ a bit, however in most cases 
> they are superior.  I was told by a friend that if one buys an app and it is 
> not accessible you can go to the mac store and they will refund your 
> purchase.  I certain do not see the adaptive technology company doing that 
> when we discover that we cannot accomplish that task that we had intended for 
> the machine to do.  I could go on and on but this will get old quickly.
> Thank you all for your help.
> Scott
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Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

2011-01-12 Thread Scott Granados
What's reasonable, who's definition of language?

Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want reasonable 
when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial moral high ground to 
brow beat others in to submission?

What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience as a 
child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano?  If this is 
acceptable then where does that logic end?

At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over the 
air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed suits that 
seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects to content that 
fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the highest order.

Heh

Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of silencing 
someone which is a very common practice in the blind community lists especially 
why not use that delete key that's located in the upper right of your keyboard? 
 Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get your pretty little 
sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their right to express themselves.  Live 
and let live, turn the other cheek, all that mumbo jumbo.

Good times!

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> I hope the moderators will follow through and move to read-only status those 
> persons who continue to disregard the very reasonable requests regarding 
> language.  
> 
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> anything but respect and professionalism by A T & T.
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Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

2011-01-12 Thread Maurice Mines
You areIn a hello,I don't normally comment on things on this list. However I am 
compelled to comment on this. Let's face it folks the other 75% unemployment 
rate in the United States. Bad language scares potential employers period so 
that is not mistaken that there is no possibility of misinterpretation as the 
list moderator has said we don't know who's reading this. Let me also tell you 
that lists like this are archived in many different places. When you go to look 
for employment employers look at this list if there's bad language you can cost 
people jobs and that only 30% of blind Americans working in this country I 
implore you to please do not use inappropriate and nonprofessional language. 
Because it will cost somebody a job and I don't think that the participants and 
listless want to be having somebody on SSI SSP I and other government support 
programs for the rest of their lives simply because somebody doesn't know how 
to treat people with common respect and refrain from inappropriate language. In 
short I agree with the moderator, let's knock it off. To say that this thread 
disturbs me in many different ways, would be an understatement. Let's move on. 
I'm not a moderator, but if we're interested in all getting out there, and 
getting meaningful positions of employment for those of us were not working, 
using the target language is imperative. Thank you very much for reading this. 
PS, I am using dictation software. As my tagline says some words they actually 
come out and appropriately. However I think that you can get the inference of 
what I am saying. I will not comment any further on this subject.
On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

> What's reasonable, who's definition of language?
> 
> Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want 
> reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial moral 
> high ground to brow beat others in to submission?
> 
> What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience as 
> a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano?  If 
> this is acceptable then where does that logic end?
> 
> At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over the 
> air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed suits that 
> seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects to content 
> that fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the highest order.
> 
> Heh
> 
> Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of 
> silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind community 
> lists especially why not use that delete key that's located in the upper 
> right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get your 
> pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their right to express 
> themselves.  Live and let live, turn the other cheek, all that mumbo jumbo.
> 
> Good times!
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I hope the moderators will follow through and move to read-only status those 
>> persons who continue to disregard the very reasonable requests regarding 
>> language.  
>> 
>> Marlaina, a very happy A T & T customer who has never been treated with 
>> anything but respect and professionalism by A T & T.
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Re: Accessible Apps on IOS4 Devices

2011-01-12 Thread Rafaela Freundt
try www.applevis.com.

It has an app directory with lots of different categories, where people review 
apps they find accessible or they don't. there is a huge list of games there.

hth,

Rafaela Freundt

E-mail/MSN: rafafreu...@gmail.com

Skype: rafafreundt

El 12/01/2011, a las 13:16, Teresa Cochran escribió:

>   Hi, all,
> 
> I guess today's my day for stirring the pot by starting some threads on this 
> list. :) Anyhow, I'd like to know if Apple or anyone else might have started 
> a listing of accessible apps for Ipod/iPad/Iphone. I'm particularly 
> interested in games, but would love to see what else might be accessible. 
> Could folks chime in here and tell me what they have found to be accessible?
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
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Uninstalling VoxKeys

2011-01-12 Thread Jane
I need to get rid of the program; there is no possible way I can pay for the 
license for QuickKeys, so best for now not to have either.  Where do I look to 
delete the files?  Perhaps at a later point, I'll manage to buy QuickKeys, and 
then who knows? Till then ... 

Jane


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Re: New to the iphon intrested in opinions and have a question or two.

2011-01-12 Thread Carolyn Haas
Hello Scott F:
You raise some very valid points.  And we're making accessibility progress 
faster than ever before.  
I started out as a split-typist as you are now.  Then Touch came along, and I 
find it much quicker.  When you're somewhere that has a texting field, you can 
perform a roter gesture, (like turning an imaginary  dial on the screen)  Then 
flick your finger I think up, or perhaps across to find typing mode.  Select 
touchtyping twith a double tapo try that .  
way.  

To change from archiving Google message to deleting them, go to settings, then 
mail.  Select your gmail account, and underneath the account name, you'll find 
the account name, followed by mail, (toggle on and off), calendar, notes and 
then archive: another toggle.  Turn archive off and you'll have regular delete 
available.
Finally, Orientation lock is to stop the phone from sensing when you turn it to 
a landscape, (like a book) position.  It reorients the screen according to how 
it perceives your needs.  This can be annoying when you're trying for exanple 
to write while in a car.:) So, if you want to lock it, double tap the home 
button to bring up app switcher.  Take 3 fingers and flick across the screen to 
the right. which will bring you to page 2.  Then flick with one finger  Now 
flick right with one finger.   It'll say   .lock orientation changes, or 
unlock orientation changes.

Hth and happy iPhoning.:)

Carolyn H
On Jan 12, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Scott Ford wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>   I have been learning my iphone for the last day or two.  I am using the 
> keyboard in the touch and then tap with another finger to choose an item.  Is 
> this the best way that people have found to type?  Or have people found that 
> the drag and release method to be better?  If so I cannot for the life of me 
> find where that is changed.  Could someone tell me how to change the setting? 
>  I saw on the list that one can lock the screen, is there a reason that one 
> would want to and why?  Can someone repost that setting as well?  I saved it 
> however I cannot find it.  
>   Now.  I have also saw on the list how to change from archiving gmail 
> message to deleting them, I saved that as well, however I cannot find that 
> post either.  Can you tell me how?  Is there a way to keep the mail 
> application running in the background and switch to other applications or 
> just always have it collecting messages?  Thank you for your help. b  
>my opinion and observations.  I am a service connected vet and the VA 
> has spent a lot of money on me for adaptive technology.  I sit here and learn 
> how to use this device and I am amazed that a company has not taken this 
> approach until now.  We have had to endure technology that looks like it was 
> developed in soviet Russia for so many years.  In fact we still have devices 
> that look and operate this way and cost money that one only shakes their head 
> in disgust.  With this device I can operate it totally independent of anyones 
> assistance.  I plugged it into my computer and I did not have to do any 
> setup, it just worked.  I was syncing with my address book in minutes.  The 
> speech is whip lash fast and responsive.  I was using an HTC 4200, when I got 
> it it was considered fast.  The speech delay was awful and navigation was 
> painful.  I have a device that is a very powerful PDA and could be so much 
> more, however it cost around 6200.  and the company will not open the 
> environment for development.  I have been pa rousing the app store and I can 
> replace every application pick up a braille display and still not reach that 
> cost.  Please keep in mind the apps will differ a bit, however in most cases 
> they are superior.  I was told by a friend that if one buys an app and it is 
> not accessible you can go to the mac store and they will refund your 
> purchase.  I certain do not see the adaptive technology company doing that 
> when we discover that we cannot accomplish that task that we had intended for 
> the machine to do.  I could go on and on but this will get old quickly.
> Thank you all for your help.
> Scott
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Re: New to the iphon intrested in opinions and have a question or two.

2011-01-12 Thread Carolyn Haas
Hi Scott:
I just reread your post.  I thought you meant lock the orietnation in portrait 
mode. If you meant the other, pardon.
Also, I believe what you want is in settings under mail.  Turn on push 
notification, which is a toggle.  It may result in slightly poorer battery life.

Carolyn
On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> That's interesting. I use the same method when typing, where I keep one 
> finger on the screen, stop when I reach the letter I want, and just tap the 
> phone with another finger.
> 
> If you want to change the typing mode, when you are in a message, change the 
> rotor to the left until it says "typing mode." Now if you flick down, it will 
> toggle between "standard typing" and "touch typing." "Touch typing" is the 
> setting where the key is entered when your finger is lifted from it.
> 
> Yes, you can lock the screen. It is on the top of the phone, to the right of 
> the headphone jack. The phone by default locks automatically after one 
> minute, but I disabled that setting. Check out the screen lock setting under 
> general in settings.
> 
> If you want to delete mail instead of archive, go to Setting > Mail, 
> Contacts, Calendars > Gmail > Archive Messages. If you double tap archive 
> messages, it will turn it off.
> 
> I agree that the iPhone is amazing. I've never seen any device that has been 
> so accessible. It seems that as a rule, things that are made for blind people 
> are (1) really expensive and (2) use proprietary formats, so they can't 
> interface with other devices very well.
> 
> Brandon
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Scott Ford wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>>  I have been learning my iphone for the last day or two.  I am using the 
>> keyboard in the touch and then tap with another finger to choose an item.  
>> Is this the best way that people have found to type?  Or have people found 
>> that the drag and release method to be better?  If so I cannot for the life 
>> of me find where that is changed.  Could someone tell me how to change the 
>> setting?  I saw on the list that one can lock the screen, is there a reason 
>> that one would want to and why?  Can someone repost that setting as well?  I 
>> saved it however I cannot find it.  
>>  Now.  I have also saw on the list how to change from archiving gmail 
>> message to deleting them, I saved that as well, however I cannot find that 
>> post either.  Can you tell me how?  Is there a way to keep the mail 
>> application running in the background and switch to other applications or 
>> just always have it collecting messages?  Thank you for your help. b  
>>   my opinion and observations.  I am a service connected vet and the VA 
>> has spent a lot of money on me for adaptive technology.  I sit here and 
>> learn how to use this device and I am amazed that a company has not taken 
>> this approach until now.  We have had to endure technology that looks like 
>> it was developed in soviet Russia for so many years.  In fact we still have 
>> devices that look and operate this way and cost money that one only shakes 
>> their head in disgust.  With this device I can operate it totally 
>> independent of anyones assistance.  I plugged it into my computer and I did 
>> not have to do any setup, it just worked.  I was syncing with my address 
>> book in minutes.  The speech is whip lash fast and responsive.  I was using 
>> an HTC 4200, when I got it it was considered fast.  The speech delay was 
>> awful and navigation was painful.  I have a device that is a very powerful 
>> PDA and could be so much more, however it cost around 6200.  and the company 
>> will not open the environment for development.  I have been pa rousing the 
>> app store and I can replace every application pick up a braille display and 
>> still not reach that cost.  Please keep in mind the apps will differ a bit, 
>> however in most cases they are superior.  I was told by a friend that if one 
>> buys an app and it is not accessible you can go to the mac store and they 
>> will refund your purchase.  I certain do not see the adaptive technology 
>> company doing that when we discover that we cannot accomplish that task that 
>> we had intended for the machine to do.  I could go on and on but this will 
>> get old quickly.
>> Thank you all for your help.
>> Scott
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Re: Question about searching from within folders

2011-01-12 Thread Carolyn Haas
Hi Ricardo:
I tried doing that with spotlight, and got exactly nowhere.  Don't know why, 
though.:)

Carolyn H 
On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Wow!
> 
> using spotlight sounds a whole lot faster and easier.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:
> 
>> 1. Open the folder 
>> 2. Hit command-option F to put the cursor in the find selector 
>> 3. Enter Sour cream 
>> 4. Stop Interacting with the tool bar 
>> 5. Hit VO-Right three times  
>> 6. You should be on a radio button that says "This Mac"
>> 7. One more VO-RIght and you will be on recipes. Hit this radio button 8. 
>> Now continue until you find the standard Finder sub-windows...
>> 
>> Best of luck,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Carolyn.  Actually, what I was hoping was that it could search the 
>>> contents of the recipes in a certain folder for this one ingredient.  In 
>>> some recipes, sour cream isn't in the file name itself, so was hoping I 
>>> could get it to search the contents.  I could do this on Windows quite 
>>> easily, so am hoping for a way to do it on Mac, or maybe a program that I 
>>> could download that will do this for me.
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for your help.
>>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Lynn:
 Try interacting with the recipes folder.  Then use item chooser (vo-i) and 
 put in sour cream.
 Hope that helps.
 
 Carolyn H
 On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote:
 
> I thought I was opening a container of rice pudding, but instead opened a 
> container of sour cream.  I knew I had some recipes on my Mac that 
> contained sour cream, so, not wanting to waste the sour cream, thought 
> I'd bring them up and find one but just cannot figure out how to do it.  
> My recipes are all in a folder called recipes in my documents folder.  I 
> first opened my recipes folder, then used option-F to bring up the find 
> dialog and typed in sour cream in the search box, but I can't figure out 
> how to make it just search the recipes folder and not the whole entire 
> hard drive.  I know how to do it in Windows, but not sure on the Mac 
> side.  Any help would be most gratefully appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Lynn
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Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

2011-01-12 Thread Carolyn Haas
Hi Scott G:
You are a true asset here.  But, you already know that.  Can't we just agree to 
have different opinions?  If you really need to win this one, I'd hate to see 
you go.  But, perhaps you want to run your own list and keep it as loose as you 
so desire.

I beg the mods' pardon for butting in.  But, I would guess we all have better 
things to do than read poopy language and argue about what constitutes poopy 
language.

Go fly your plane and curse at the top of your lungs if you like.  Just don't 
do it here.
Thanks you for reading.

Carolyn H
On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

> What's reasonable, who's definition of language?
> 
> Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want 
> reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial moral 
> high ground to brow beat others in to submission?
> 
> What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience as 
> a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano?  If 
> this is acceptable then where does that logic end?
> 
> At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over the 
> air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed suits that 
> seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects to content 
> that fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the highest order.
> 
> Heh
> 
> Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of 
> silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind community 
> lists especially why not use that delete key that's located in the upper 
> right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get your 
> pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their right to express 
> themselves.  Live and let live, turn the other cheek, all that mumbo jumbo.
> 
> Good times!
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I hope the moderators will follow through and move to read-only status those 
>> persons who continue to disregard the very reasonable requests regarding 
>> language.  
>> 
>> Marlaina, a very happy A T & T customer who has never been treated with 
>> anything but respect and professionalism by A T & T.
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Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

2011-01-12 Thread Marc Workman

Scott asked,
What's reasonable, who's definition of language?

Marc says,
The communities definition, the moderators definition, the definition of the 
wider society.


Scott asked,
Why do prudes always want reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some 
sort of artificial moral high ground to brow beat others in to submission?


Marc asks,
why do you insist on calling others names because they don't share your 
opinion on this subject? I use offensive language all the time, but this 
doesn't mean that it is appropriate in all situations.  You don't have to be 
a prude to think that swearing in front of a child, or on a bus, or on this 
list is inappropriate.


Scott asked,
What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience as 
a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano?  If 
this is acceptable then where does that logic end?


Marc says,
It's a good thing we're not talking about the indiosyncratic linguistic 
preferences of a single person because then you might actually have a point. 
We're talking about linguistic standards that shift over time and are 
nagotiated through social dialogue, not one single person's feelings towards 
a couple of words.


Scott said,
At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over the 
air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed suits 
that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects to 
content that fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the highest 
order.


Marc says,
again with the name calling.  You clearly don't understand the opposing 
position on this issue.  I would urge you to take some time to reread the 
posts and think about what is being said.


Scott said,
Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of 
silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind community 
lists especially why not use that delete key that's located in the upper 
right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get your 
pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their right to express 
themselves.  Live and let live, turn the other cheek, all that mumbo jumbo.


Marc says,
If we were talking about silencing a controversial idea, simply because it 
was controversial, I, and I'm sure many others, would totally agree.  We're 
not talking about silencing a different opinion, a minority position, or 
anything like that, despite your attempts to suggest that is what's going 
on.  We're talking about avoiding language that is generally considered 
offensive.  It's really not a difficult request to comply with, especially 
when writing as opposed to speaking, where things tend to slip out 
unintentionally.


Best,

Marc

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple


What's reasonable, who's definition of language?

Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want 
reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial moral 
high ground to brow beat others in to submission?


What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience as 
a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano?  If 
this is acceptable then where does that logic end?


At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over the 
air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed suits 
that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects to 
content that fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the highest 
order.


Heh

Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of 
silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind community 
lists especially why not use that delete key that's located in the upper 
right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get your 
pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their right to express 
themselves.  Live and let live, turn the other cheek, all that mumbo jumbo.


Good times!

On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

I hope the moderators will follow through and move to read-only status 
those persons who continue to disregard the very reasonable requests 
regarding language.


Marlaina, a very happy A T & T customer who has never been treated with 
anything but respect and professionalism by A T & T.


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Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

2011-01-12 Thread Colin M
Hi there!
Well Scott you put your case pretty well!
And shock horror no bad words!
Colin
I'm far too bad for Heaven!
The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!

On 12 Jan 2011, at 19:28, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Scott G:
> You are a true asset here.  But, you already know that.  Can't we just agree 
> to have different opinions?  If you really need to win this one, I'd hate to 
> see you go.  But, perhaps you want to run your own list and keep it as loose 
> as you so desire.
> 
> I beg the mods' pardon for butting in.  But, I would guess we all have better 
> things to do than read poopy language and argue about what constitutes poopy 
> language.
> 
> Go fly your plane and curse at the top of your lungs if you like.  Just don't 
> do it here.
> Thanks you for reading.
> 
> Carolyn H
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> What's reasonable, who's definition of language?
>> 
>> Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want 
>> reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial moral 
>> high ground to brow beat others in to submission?
>> 
>> What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience as 
>> a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano?  If 
>> this is acceptable then where does that logic end?
>> 
>> At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over the 
>> air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed suits 
>> that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects to 
>> content that fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the highest 
>> order.
>> 
>> Heh
>> 
>> Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of 
>> silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind community 
>> lists especially why not use that delete key that's located in the upper 
>> right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get your 
>> pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their right to express 
>> themselves.  Live and let live, turn the other cheek, all that mumbo jumbo.
>> 
>> Good times!
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I hope the moderators will follow through and move to read-only status 
>>> those persons who continue to disregard the very reasonable requests 
>>> regarding language.  
>>> 
>>> Marlaina, a very happy A T & T customer who has never been treated with 
>>> anything but respect and professionalism by A T & T.
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Re: Non english layouts in VoiceOver search

2011-01-12 Thread AZ

Hi/

Yes, i'm using a russian layout and english too. On the english all 
works, in russian almost nothing. And i can not use the russian layout 
when trying to search something by "Ctrl+Option+f"

AZ

12.01.2011 21:23, Anne Robertson пишет:

Hello Az,

I'm afraid I don't understand what you're doing. I use both the British English 
and the French keyboard layout with no trouble at all. Are you using a layout 
that has a completely different character set such as greek or Russian? If so, 
I'll try to look into your problem.

Cheers,

Anne


On 12 Jan 2011, at 18:09, AZ wrote:


Hi.

Using Windows and Jaws i frequently press "Ctrl+f" to find necessary word on a page. I 
know, the same feature exists in Voice Over search, "VO+f", but once i press this 
combination i cann't switch between languages to choose an other one. VoiceOver says that this 
combination is not supported here, once i switch the needed language before this combination i 
cann't call search feature because combinations in Mac OS X work only in english layout. Maybe 
someone has an advice?
Thanks

AZ

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the topic of bad language posts

2011-01-12 Thread heather kd5cbl
I am just wondering how long is this topic going to keep going?  What does 
it have to do with the purpose of the list?  What does it have to do with 
the mac and voiceover?  I was just wondering if the monitors can simplely 
remove the fokes who are using bad language and just have a 0 tolerance 
policy.  So we won't have to keep going like the energizer bunny.  It is 
just that I receive a lot of e-mails in my in box and I don't need anymore 
that are off topic.  I really enjoy this list when it is on topic and have 
gained a lot of imformation.  I really appreciated the eforts of the 
monitors who have taken it upon themselves to start this list.  Please folks 
return to the original topic of discussing the mac and voiceover.  Heather
- Original Message - 
From: "Marc Workman" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple



Scott asked,
What's reasonable, who's definition of language?

Marc says,
The communities definition, the moderators definition, the definition of 
the wider society.


Scott asked,
Why do prudes always want reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use 
some sort of artificial moral high ground to brow beat others in to 
submission?


Marc asks,
why do you insist on calling others names because they don't share your 
opinion on this subject? I use offensive language all the time, but this 
doesn't mean that it is appropriate in all situations.  You don't have to 
be a prude to think that swearing in front of a child, or on a bus, or on 
this list is inappropriate.


Scott asked,
What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience 
as a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano? 
If this is acceptable then where does that logic end?


Marc says,
It's a good thing we're not talking about the indiosyncratic linguistic 
preferences of a single person because then you might actually have a 
point. We're talking about linguistic standards that shift over time and 
are nagotiated through social dialogue, not one single person's feelings 
towards a couple of words.


Scott said,
At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over 
the air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed 
suits that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects 
to content that fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the 
highest order.


Marc says,
again with the name calling.  You clearly don't understand the opposing 
position on this issue.  I would urge you to take some time to reread the 
posts and think about what is being said.


Scott said,
Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of 
silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind community 
lists especially why not use that delete key that's located in the upper 
right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get 
your pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their right to 
express themselves.  Live and let live, turn the other cheek, all that 
mumbo jumbo.


Marc says,
If we were talking about silencing a controversial idea, simply because it 
was controversial, I, and I'm sure many others, would totally agree. 
We're not talking about silencing a different opinion, a minority 
position, or anything like that, despite your attempts to suggest that is 
what's going on.  We're talking about avoiding language that is generally 
considered offensive.  It's really not a difficult request to comply with, 
especially when writing as opposed to speaking, where things tend to slip 
out unintentionally.


Best,

Marc

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple


What's reasonable, who's definition of language?

Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want 
reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial moral 
high ground to brow beat others in to submission?


What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience 
as a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano? 
If this is acceptable then where does that logic end?


At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over 
the air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed 
suits that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects 
to content that fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the 
highest order.


Heh

Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of 
silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind community 
lists especially why not use that delete key that's located in the upper 
right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get 
your pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their 

RE: the topic of bad language posts

2011-01-12 Thread Chris Harrington
Agreed!!!

http://www.c-harrington.com

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: the topic of bad language posts

I am just wondering how long is this topic going to keep going?  What does 
it have to do with the purpose of the list?  What does it have to do with 
the mac and voiceover?  I was just wondering if the monitors can simplely 
remove the fokes who are using bad language and just have a 0 tolerance 
policy.  So we won't have to keep going like the energizer bunny.  It is 
just that I receive a lot of e-mails in my in box and I don't need anymore 
that are off topic.  I really enjoy this list when it is on topic and have 
gained a lot of imformation.  I really appreciated the eforts of the 
monitors who have taken it upon themselves to start this list.  Please folks

return to the original topic of discussing the mac and voiceover.  Heather
- Original Message - 
From: "Marc Workman" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple


> Scott asked,
> What's reasonable, who's definition of language?
>
> Marc says,
> The communities definition, the moderators definition, the definition of 
> the wider society.
>
> Scott asked,
> Why do prudes always want reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use 
> some sort of artificial moral high ground to brow beat others in to 
> submission?
>
> Marc asks,
> why do you insist on calling others names because they don't share your 
> opinion on this subject? I use offensive language all the time, but this 
> doesn't mean that it is appropriate in all situations.  You don't have to 
> be a prude to think that swearing in front of a child, or on a bus, or on 
> this list is inappropriate.
>
> Scott asked,
> What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience 
> as a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano? 
> If this is acceptable then where does that logic end?
>
> Marc says,
> It's a good thing we're not talking about the indiosyncratic linguistic 
> preferences of a single person because then you might actually have a 
> point. We're talking about linguistic standards that shift over time and 
> are nagotiated through social dialogue, not one single person's feelings 
> towards a couple of words.
>
> Scott said,
> At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over 
> the air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed 
> suits that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects 
> to content that fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the 
> highest order.
>
> Marc says,
> again with the name calling.  You clearly don't understand the opposing 
> position on this issue.  I would urge you to take some time to reread the 
> posts and think about what is being said.
>
> Scott said,
> Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of 
> silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind community 
> lists especially why not use that delete key that's located in the upper 
> right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get 
> your pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their right to 
> express themselves.  Live and let live, turn the other cheek, all that 
> mumbo jumbo.
>
> Marc says,
> If we were talking about silencing a controversial idea, simply because it

> was controversial, I, and I'm sure many others, would totally agree. 
> We're not talking about silencing a different opinion, a minority 
> position, or anything like that, despite your attempts to suggest that is 
> what's going on.  We're talking about avoiding language that is generally 
> considered offensive.  It's really not a difficult request to comply with,

> especially when writing as opposed to speaking, where things tend to slip 
> out unintentionally.
>
> Best,
>
> Marc
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple
>
>
> What's reasonable, who's definition of language?
>
> Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want 
> reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial moral

> high ground to brow beat others in to submission?
>
> What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience 
> as a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano? 
> If this is acceptable then where does that logic end?
>
> At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over 
> the air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed 
> suits that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects 
> to content 

RE: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

2011-01-12 Thread Robert Hooper
Normally, as this is not a mac-related topic, I would not chime in to comment 
on such. However, here we go:
A mod note on this very issue has already been posted, implying (pretty 
directly, by my interpretation of the message) that this topic be closed for 
any further discussion. I would not be surprised if there is another before 
long, the next probably not being so forgiving. We all have our various 
opinions on the subject--and this list doesn't exist as a forum for convincing 
people. It is highly unlikely that anyone will be convinced by anybody else's 
writing on the subject, especially as very few of us know one another and are 
completely anonymous. This can be read about elsewhere on the internet. The 
point is that no matter how much bickering one does regarding cursing on this 
list, nobody will change their opinion. So, the solution is obvious--just cease 
discussing it at all. The words have already flown and discussing it won't 
change it. People curse--occasionally they do it in inappropriate situation; 
this is no different. This isn't any kind of new development being 
discussed--it's a small issue that is being gone over more thoroughly than the 
global warming debate in a left-right wing shoot-out. It's not worth the 
bandwidth, it's off-topic, and the same things are being said over and over. 
Rather than trying to convince one another (which, I repeat, cannot be done 
through this medium of anonymous written communication), just agree that we 
each think differently and drop this topic. I would even be up to a windows vs. 
Mac debate as opposed to this petty nonsense. I feel as if I am wasting my time 
even writing this email to mention it; I have my own opinion on the issue, and 
I appreciate the efforts to educate others on the list, but it's a pointless 
endeavor which will only waste the time of those more patient on this list--and 
I count myself among those numbers. At some point in time, I might have 
indulged my opinion and attempted to "bring people to the light", but you can't 
save the world every time. I enjoy this list for the intelligence and 
innovation it yields, not its admittedly equal and remarkable ability to 
dispute etiquette and keep in mind the social welfare of its members.
Thanks,
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
The Ohio State University
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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Colin M
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: Colin M
Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

Hi there!
Well Scott you put your case pretty well!
And shock horror no bad words!
Colin
I'm far too bad for Heaven!
The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!

On 12 Jan 2011, at 19:28, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Scott G:
> You are a true asset here.  But, you already know that.  Can't we just agree 
> to have different opinions?  If you really need to win this one, I'd hate to 
> see you go.  But, perhaps you want to run your own list and keep it as loose 
> as you so desire.
> 
> I beg the mods' pardon for butting in.  But, I would guess we all have better 
> things to do than read poopy language and argue about what constitutes poopy 
> language.
> 
> Go fly your plane and curse at the top of your lungs if you like.  Just don't 
> do it here.
> Thanks you for reading.
> 
> Carolyn H
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> What's reasonable, who's definition of language?
>> 
>> Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want 
>> reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial moral 
>> high ground to brow beat others in to submission?
>> 
>> What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience as 
>> a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano?  If 
>> this is acceptable then where does that logic end?
>> 
>> At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over the 
>> air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed suits 
>> that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects to 
>> content that fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the highest 
>> order.
>> 
>> Heh
>> 
>> Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of 
>> silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind community 
>> lists especially why not use that delete key that's located in the upper 
>> right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get your 
>> pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their right to express 
>> themselves.  Live and let live, turn the other cheek, all that mumbo jumbo.
>> 
>> Good times!
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I hope the moderators will follow through and move to read-only sta

Airport Express question

2011-01-12 Thread VaShaun Jones
Listers,

Can a Airport Express connect directly into a modem (not a router) and provide 
internet connection wirelessly or does it have to connect through a router?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: Braille Display Won't Stay Paired With My IPod Touch

2011-01-12 Thread erik burggraaf
Hi, My Ituch is doing this and I'm a bit let down about it.  Most things do 
pare automaticly once you get them going the first time.  Not so my braille 
connect and my ITouch.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On 2011-01-12, at 1:06 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Hi, folk,
> 
> It seems that I have to pair my Focus 40 Blue every time I want to use it 
> with the IPod. I was under the impression that I would only need to do this 
> once. Although I'm getting better at entering the pin via the touch keyboard, 
> it's still kind of a pain. Do bluetooth devices need to be paired every time 
> they are used with IOS4?
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
No I looked. Here is the script. I'm confused as to why the error accured.

try
tell application "skype" to activate
do shell script ./clisk
end try

On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:

> You probably have an extra character in the Try.  I generally interact with 
> the error message and find the quoted  text of what it found and then single  
> character through that.
> 
> Jon
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Re: reading all in pages

2011-01-12 Thread Gary Readfern-Gray
OK, so I have a different but related problem.

I just bought pages the other day. When I try to read all, it always seems to 
start from the beginning of the file not from where the cursor is.

Anyone got any thoughts on that one? I've only tried it with .doc file that 
I've opened which were originally written using MS word, not sure that makes 
any difference.

Thanks
On 11 Jan 2011, at 01:27, Laura Bratton wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Rafaela Freundt wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You have to first interact with the text and then press vo a, then it will 
>> read to the bottom of the document.
>> 
>> hth,
>> 
>> Rafaela Freundt
>> 
>> E-mail/MSN: rafafreu...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Skype: rafafreundt
>> 
>> El 09/01/2011, a las 18:55, Laura Bratton escribió:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> When I press VO A  in pages it will read down to the bottom of that page. 
>>> How do I change the settings so that I can read the whole document?
>>> Thanks,
>>> laura
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Yuma Decaux
Hi Sarah,

Checked your script and the end tell closing block for skype is missing 

Here is how i see it 

try
tell application "skype" to activate
do shell script ./clisk
end tell
end try

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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
Hmm. I'm still learning. lol! I should know some of this as I used to script 
for another platform. I was not very good at it but ah well. I'll try it. 
thanks.
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> Hi Sarah,
> 
> Checked your script and the end tell closing block for skype is missing 
> 
> Here is how i see it 
> 
> try
> tell application "skype" to activate
> do shell script ./clisk
> end tell
> end try
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
Nope I got this error again.

Expected end of line, etc. but found unknown token.
the try was highlighted but voice over said try period is selected. There is no 
period at the end of my try line. lol!

Take care all and sorry for all of this.


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> Hi Sarah,
> 
> Checked your script and the end tell closing block for skype is missing 
> 
> Here is how i see it 
> 
> try
> tell application "skype" to activate
> do shell script ./clisk
> end tell
> end try
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Yuma Decaux
try omitting the try block and put everything in the tell block instead to see.

Which editor are you working with? xcode or applescript editor?



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Re: Braille Display Won't Stay Paired With My IPod Touch

2011-01-12 Thread Isaac Obie

Hello Erik,
I have the same problem with the bc40!
I am told by Handytech that if I pay $300 I can get the braillino to pair 
successfully. I am reluctant to take that risk.
I am told the Refreshabraille will pair with the iphone. So it should do so 
with the ipod touch. I am skeptical.

Isaac
- Original Message - 
From: "erik burggraaf" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Display Won't Stay Paired With My IPod Touch


Hi, My Ituch is doing this and I'm a bit let down about it.  Most things 
do pare automaticly once you get them going the first time.  Not so my 
braille connect and my ITouch.


Best,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
1-888-255-5194
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2011-01-12, at 1:06 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:


Hi, folk,

It seems that I have to pair my Focus 40 Blue every time I want to use it 
with the IPod. I was under the impression that I would only need to do 
this once. Although I'm getting better at entering the pin via the touch 
keyboard, it's still kind of a pain. Do bluetooth devices need to be 
paired every time they are used with IOS4?


Thanks,
Teresa

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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
I'm working wiht apple script editor but for some reason I have to quit and 
reopen it as it wont' let me error away when I comand tab away from and back to 
it. I wish there were a save with out compile! Growl!
On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

> try omitting the try block and put everything in the tell block instead to 
> see.
> 
> Which editor are you working with? xcode or applescript editor?
> 
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
Ok got the same error but this time voice over said this

tell application "skype" to activate
 . is selected


Note there is no period in the text of my script so I dunno what's going on.


Here is th script wiht otu the try statement.

tell application "skype" to activate
do shell script ./clisk
end tell


I've gone thorugh every step but dunno why this won't work. I hear skype 
starting but the script barfs before the do shell script command. I can't even 
save my changes for this reason. I have to eep a back up in text edit. Growl! 
Ok what now?

S
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> try omitting the try block and put everything in the tell block instead to 
> see.
> 
> Which editor are you working with? xcode or applescript editor?
> 
> 
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Copying text from Safari

2011-01-12 Thread Gary Readfern-Gray
Can anyone tell me how to copy a line of text from Safari into the clipboard?

I keep having this problem, today, I was on Google code and wanted to copy just 
my generated password from the page.

If I interact with the element, I don't seem to be able to select and copy text 
like you can with jaws when browsing. 

The only reliable way I've found to do this is to copy the whole page into text 
edit and then copy what I want from there. Not ideal if, for example, you're 
reading a book online with sample code that you need to grab and use.

Thanks.

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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Yuma Decaux
Usually when you compile or run a script, you have to vo left then right to get 
back to the source editor. It's an annoying bug i know but this is how i 
circumvent it.

On the script error, try two tiered scripting

Tell application "skype"
Activate
End tell

Then write your do shell script


Hope this helps 


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Re: Copying text from Safari

2011-01-12 Thread Colin M
Hi Gary!
I do not know if this will work or that you have already tried it!
When your on that text and it is highlighted open vo+shift+m to see if you have 
a copy option there and if you have you should be sorted!
Colin
I'm far too bad for Heaven!
The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!

On 12 Jan 2011, at 21:56, Gary Readfern-Gray wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how to copy a line of text from Safari into the clipboard?
> 
> I keep having this problem, today, I was on Google code and wanted to copy 
> just my generated password from the page.
> 
> If I interact with the element, I don't seem to be able to select and copy 
> text like you can with jaws when browsing. 
> 
> The only reliable way I've found to do this is to copy the whole page into 
> text edit and then copy what I want from there. Not ideal if, for example, 
> you're reading a book online with sample code that you need to grab and use.
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
but th etell statement is only 1 line though. Ah well. I'll try it. Nope now i 
got this.

Expected end of line, etc. but found “end tell”.

 Here is the script.

tell application "skype" to activate
end tell
do shell script ./clisk



I know I'm getting close and I won't give up. It's all part of the learning 
process. lol!

SOn Jan 12, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

> Usually when you compile or run a script, you have to vo left then right to 
> get back to the source editor. It's an annoying bug i know but this is how i 
> circumvent it.
> 
> On the script error, try two tiered scripting
> 
> Tell application "skype"
> Activate
> End tell
> 
> Then write your do shell script
> 
> 
> Hope this helps 
> 
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Re: Braille Display Won't Stay Paired With My IPod Touch

2011-01-12 Thread Teresa Cochran
Ah, ok, I just wanted to know the scope of this problem. I'm willing to work 
around it for now.

Thanks,
Teresa
On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:

> Hello Erik,
> I have the same problem with the bc40!
> I am told by Handytech that if I pay $300 I can get the braillino to pair 
> successfully. I am reluctant to take that risk.
> I am told the Refreshabraille will pair with the iphone. So it should do so 
> with the ipod touch. I am skeptical.
> Isaac
> - Original Message - From: "erik burggraaf" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Braille Display Won't Stay Paired With My IPod Touch
> 
> 
>> Hi, My Ituch is doing this and I'm a bit let down about it.  Most things do 
>> pare automaticly once you get them going the first time.  Not so my braille 
>> connect and my ITouch.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
>> 1-888-255-5194
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2011-01-12, at 1:06 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, folk,
>>> 
>>> It seems that I have to pair my Focus 40 Blue every time I want to use it 
>>> with the IPod. I was under the impression that I would only need to do this 
>>> once. Although I'm getting better at entering the pin via the touch 
>>> keyboard, it's still kind of a pain. Do bluetooth devices need to be paired 
>>> every time they are used with IOS4?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Teresa
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Re: Accessible Apps on IOS4 Devices

2011-01-12 Thread Teresa Cochran
Thanks very much, Rafaela. :)

Teresa
On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Rafaela Freundt wrote:

> try www.applevis.com.
> 
> It has an app directory with lots of different categories, where people 
> review apps they find accessible or they don't. there is a huge list of games 
> there.
> 
> hth,
> 
> Rafaela Freundt
> 
> E-mail/MSN: rafafreu...@gmail.com
> 
> Skype: rafafreundt
> 
> El 12/01/2011, a las 13:16, Teresa Cochran escribió:
> 
>>  Hi, all,
>> 
>> I guess today's my day for stirring the pot by starting some threads on this 
>> list. :) Anyhow, I'd like to know if Apple or anyone else might have started 
>> a listing of accessible apps for Ipod/iPad/Iphone. I'm particularly 
>> interested in games, but would love to see what else might be accessible. 
>> Could folks chime in here and tell me what they have found to be accessible?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
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Apple Seeds iOS 4.3 Beta to Developers

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
Will these features  enhance accessibility and productivity for the consumer? 
read more:

http://bit.ly/fmJNjY

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Re: Copying text from Safari

2011-01-12 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Gary,

To copy text from Safari, interact with the text you wish to copy, then press 
VO-Return at the beginning of the section you wish to copy, and VO-Return at 
the end. Command-C should then copy the selected text.

Another way is to make VO speak the text you want then press VO-Shift-C to copy 
the last spoken phrase to the clipboard.

Cheers,

Anne


On 12 Jan 2011, at 22:56, Gary Readfern-Gray wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how to copy a line of text from Safari into the clipboard?
> 
> I keep having this problem, today, I was on Google code and wanted to copy 
> just my generated password from the page.
> 
> If I interact with the element, I don't seem to be able to select and copy 
> text like you can with jaws when browsing. 
> 
> The only reliable way I've found to do this is to copy the whole page into 
> text edit and then copy what I want from there. Not ideal if, for example, 
> you're reading a book online with sample code that you need to grab and use.
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: Non english layouts in VoiceOver search

2011-01-12 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Az,

When your keyboard is set to Russian, treat the keys as though they were set to 
English when using VO commands.

Don't forget to tell Accessibility about this problem.

Are you aware that Russian Braille is available? You can download the 
multi-lingual Braille package from:


Cheers,

Anne



On 12 Jan 2011, at 20:39, AZ wrote:

> Hi/
> 
> Yes, i'm using a russian layout and english too. On the english all works, in 
> russian almost nothing. And i can not use the russian layout when trying to 
> search something by "Ctrl+Option+f"
> AZ

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Re: reading all in pages

2011-01-12 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Gary,

For the Read All command to start from your current location, you have to 
interact with the body text.

Cheers,

Anne


On 12 Jan 2011, at 22:10, Gary Readfern-Gray wrote:

> OK, so I have a different but related problem.
> 
> I just bought pages the other day. When I try to read all, it always seems to 
> start from the beginning of the file not from where the cursor is.
> 
> Anyone got any thoughts on that one? I've only tried it with .doc file that 
> I've opened which were originally written using MS word, not sure that makes 
> any difference.
> 
> Thanks
> On 11 Jan 2011, at 01:27, Laura Bratton wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Rafaela Freundt wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You have to first interact with the text and then press vo a, then it will 
>>> read to the bottom of the document.
>>> 
>>> hth,
>>> 
>>> Rafaela Freundt
>>> 
>>> E-mail/MSN: rafafreu...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Skype: rafafreundt
>>> 
>>> El 09/01/2011, a las 18:55, Laura Bratton escribió:
>>> 
 Hi All,
 When I press VO A  in pages it will read down to the bottom of that page. 
 How do I change the settings so that I can read the whole document?
 Thanks,
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Re: Copying text from Safari

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
Sometimes the vo return work on some sights and sometimes it does not. I really 
don't know why but that can also work in documents and emails as well.

S
On Jan 12, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Gary,
> 
> To copy text from Safari, interact with the text you wish to copy, then press 
> VO-Return at the beginning of the section you wish to copy, and VO-Return at 
> the end. Command-C should then copy the selected text.
> 
> Another way is to make VO speak the text you want then press VO-Shift-C to 
> copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 12 Jan 2011, at 22:56, Gary Readfern-Gray wrote:
> 
>> Can anyone tell me how to copy a line of text from Safari into the clipboard?
>> 
>> I keep having this problem, today, I was on Google code and wanted to copy 
>> just my generated password from the page.
>> 
>> If I interact with the element, I don't seem to be able to select and copy 
>> text like you can with jaws when browsing. 
>> 
>> The only reliable way I've found to do this is to copy the whole page into 
>> text edit and then copy what I want from there. Not ideal if, for example, 
>> you're reading a book online with sample code that you need to grab and use.
>> 
>> Thanks.
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Re: New to the iphon intrested in opinions and have a question or two.

2011-01-12 Thread Sara Waggle
Hi Scott,
I love my iPhone too!  

As for locking the screen, I toggle between VO/zoom/Reverse colors, so since my 
accessibility isn't always turned on I lock the screen so I don't touch 
everything when the phone is in my pocket.  

I'm going to play with some of the typing suggestions.  
Sara

On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Scott Ford wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>   I have been learning my iphone for the last day or two.  I am using the 
> keyboard in the touch and then tap with another finger to choose an item.  Is 
> this the best way that people have found to type?  Or have people found that 
> the drag and release method to be better?  If so I cannot for the life of me 
> find where that is changed.  Could someone tell me how to change the setting? 
>  I saw on the list that one can lock the screen, is there a reason that one 
> would want to and why?  Can someone repost that setting as well?  I saved it 
> however I cannot find it.  
>   Now.  I have also saw on the list how to change from archiving gmail 
> message to deleting them, I saved that as well, however I cannot find that 
> post either.  Can you tell me how?  Is there a way to keep the mail 
> application running in the background and switch to other applications or 
> just always have it collecting messages?  Thank you for your help. b  
>my opinion and observations.  I am a service connected vet and the VA 
> has spent a lot of money on me for adaptive technology.  I sit here and learn 
> how to use this device and I am amazed that a company has not taken this 
> approach until now.  We have had to endure technology that looks like it was 
> developed in soviet Russia for so many years.  In fact we still have devices 
> that look and operate this way and cost money that one only shakes their head 
> in disgust.  With this device I can operate it totally independent of anyones 
> assistance.  I plugged it into my computer and I did not have to do any 
> setup, it just worked.  I was syncing with my address book in minutes.  The 
> speech is whip lash fast and responsive.  I was using an HTC 4200, when I got 
> it it was considered fast.  The speech delay was awful and navigation was 
> painful.  I have a device that is a very powerful PDA and could be so much 
> more, however it cost around 6200.  and the company will not open the 
> environment for development.  I have been pa rousing the app store and I can 
> replace every application pick up a braille display and still not reach that 
> cost.  Please keep in mind the apps will differ a bit, however in most cases 
> they are superior.  I was told by a friend that if one buys an app and it is 
> not accessible you can go to the mac store and they will refund your 
> purchase.  I certain do not see the adaptive technology company doing that 
> when we discover that we cannot accomplish that task that we had intended for 
> the machine to do.  I could go on and on but this will get old quickly.
> Thank you all for your help.
> Scott
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Re: learning voiceover the old fashioned way?

2011-01-12 Thread Sara Waggle
Paul's right the One to One instructors are just now starting to get into VO 
training.  It takes time.  Do understand that these trainers are more computer 
oriented rather than knowledgable of disabilities.  They are very smart and 
open minded, but uneducated when it comes to disabilities.  


On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:36 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> I signed up for one to one training and schedule my classes so that I get the 
> same trainer. We built a working relationship and she is learning voiceover 
> as we work together. I also learn from manuals podcasts and this list. The 
> best way to learn is teaching. Also remember that the Apple store primarily 
> works by appointment.
> 
> On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:25 PM, "brandt"  wrote:
> 
>> I know that the apple stores around here does boath training for mac 
>> opperating system and iWorks. I inquired about voiceover, and the guy I 
>> spoke to didn't have a clue what I was talking about. That's why, when I 
>> ever get that mac, I'm going in on my own, with help from the podcasts done 
>> by mike Arrigo.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> MSN/Windows live: brandt...@live.com
>> 
>> Google talk: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
>> 
>> AIM: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Skype: brandt.steenkamp007
>> - Original Message - From: "Carolyn Haas" 
>> To: 
>> Cc: "Carolyn Haas" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: learning voiceover the old fashioned way?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Karen:
>> A couple of things come to mind here.  I'm not big on podcasts, and, like 
>> you prefer to learn hands on or at least with something hardcopy braille. 
>> There are a couple of options.  If you read braille, there is a braille 
>> version of the "getting started guide" availaable from I believe the san 
>> Fransisco lighthouse.
>> 
>> 
>> There is also a tutorial available through Handytech USA though I'm not sure 
>> which format it comes in.  Last I knew the cost for that one was  $75, and 
>> you can get it through Handytech usa.  Another option is to check out the 
>> text tutorials on the Apple website,.  There are also workshops through 
>> Handitech, and one to one from Apple directly, if there is an Apple store 
>> near you.
>> HTH
>> Carolyn HOn Jan 4, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> If I have read it once I have read it a zillion times, and agree.  It is 
>>> important to know  a screen reader as completely as possible.
>>> I prefer, especially if I cannot get hands on training, or if I have seen 
>>> that others may have issues, to read as much as I can in advance.
>>> so, has anyone put together a solid users guide specifically for voiceover? 
>>>  I realize any such guide would be in flux, changing as apple upgrades the 
>>> system in general, and voiceover in particular.  Still a solid guide,  more 
>>> for reading than say someones audio tutorials would be fantastic.
>>> Say the sort of book one would use in a classroom, or that would have come 
>>> in the box with your old style screen readers?
>>> thanks in advance,
>>> Karen
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Re: Braille Display Won't Stay Paired With My IPod Touch

2011-01-12 Thread Scott Howell
All,

THis is a known issue and affects a number of Braille displays. Apple is 
working on a fix. I have a Refreshabraille and I have received confirmation 
that the issue is being addressed.
Scott





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> Hi, folk,
> 
> It seems that I have to pair my Focus 40 Blue every time I want to use it 
> with the IPod. I was under the impression that I would only need to do this 
> once. Although I'm getting better at entering the pin via the touch keyboard, 
> it's still kind of a pain. Do bluetooth devices need to be paired every time 
> they are used with IOS4?
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
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Re: Airport Express question

2011-01-12 Thread Scott Howell
Yes it can.
Scott





On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:50 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:

> Listers,
> 
> Can a Airport Express connect directly into a modem (not a router) and 
> provide internet connection wirelessly or does it have to connect through a 
> router?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
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The Verizon iPhone is not as accessible to deaf and hard of hearing as AT&T's iPhone

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
How will this impact those of us with hearing troubles? read more:

http://ow.ly/3COMr

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Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

2011-01-12 Thread Scott Howell
Although there is a good chance AT&T will allow the hotspot feature if they are 
smart. There are rumors that iOS 4.3 will offer this on all iPhones (that can 
take 4.3) and it will be up to the carrier to support the feature. So, let AT&T 
know you want this and I am sure your voice will be among many.
Scott





On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> No.
> 
> Thats tethering.  Turning the iPhone into a mobile hotspot is something 
> different.  And its something the Verizon iPhone has and theAT&T iPhone 
> doesn't.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
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> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> You can, for 30 dollars a month but if you have the unlimited you loose it 
>> and 2 gigs a month won't cut it. lol! not for theathering.
>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Chris Harrington wrote:
>> 
>>> On thing that bugs me with ATT, is you can't  get on wirelessly to the
>>> iPhone and use it as a hot spot. At least right now you can't, unless I'm
>>> missing something...
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> http://www.c-harrington.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 5:33 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple
>>> 
>>> I've had no problems with at&t customer service, how ever I can see where
>>> you are coming from. It looks like though that prices are going to be the
>>> same as I read an article so we'll see.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:18 PM, James Mannion wrote:
>>> 
 The link worked fine for me as well. I hope the IPhone does well on
 Verizon and that Verizon makes more of an atempt to be customer
 oriented than AT&T ever has. AT&T sees no reason to make their network
 what it should be if they can have a customer based trapped and can
 screw them instead of making them happy. Maybe now they will face that
 glorious reality that if you treat customers like shit you don't have
 them.
 
 On 1/10/11, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The link works just fine for me.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:46 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Um? not the response I expected but I'll take a look and repost. Thanks
>> for letting me know.
>> 
>> S
>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:
>> 
>>> bad link
>>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 Will this hurt or hinder apple, at&t or both? read more:
 
 http://bit.ly/fCCxOo
 
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Jon Cohn
You are missing quotes around the shell command that you are attempting to run.

Also this might be a case where you need to use the terminal I am not sure.

But it will compile if you use a double quote that is the next  char "

The quotes need to surround the words after script.

I  often put  all punctuation on while working with AppleScript.

Jonathan 

On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> No I looked. Here is the script. I'm confused as to why the error accured.
> 
> try
> tell application "skype" to activate
> do shell script ./clisk
> end try
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:
> 
>> You probably have an extra character in the Try.  I generally interact with 
>> the error message and find the quoted  text of what it found and then single 
>>  character through that.
>> 
>> Jon
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When That Call Comes In, an iPhone Hotspot Is Not So Hot [Mobilized]

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
If you get a call while you are sharing that hotspot data transmission will 
stop. read more:

http://bit.ly/gh9YIC

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Re: Apple to add Wi-Fi hotspot to GSM iPhone with iOS 4.3 - rumor

2011-01-12 Thread Scott Howell
The interesting part of this is that if AT&T does elect to offer the hotspot 
feature, I can bet you that anyone with the unlimited data plan will not be 
offered the option. If that is the case, that might push subscribers away. If 
AT&T is smart they will either allow the option to everyone regardless of 
his/her data plan or they will raise the 2Gb cap to 5Gb. My understanding 
(unconfirmed) is that VZW will not offer unlimited data plans perhaps, but 
instead data plans with a 5Gb limit. So, time will tell.
Scott





On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> I could read it fine, and will copy if others cannot.
> apparently this feature is only available if the carrier offers it.
> at&T does not on the personal level, its an extra $20.
> Since the feature is already built into the new verizon phone, they must plan 
> to offer it for free, its in the settings menu and can just be turned on or 
> off.
> Or so I gathered from a fast read lol.
> Karen
> 
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I could not read the article as all it  shows is a link coded as slash. but 
>> if this happens will we not have to pay for tethering for at&t or VZ
>> 
>> read more if you can:
>> 
>> http://dlvr.it/D7KPM
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Re: Non english layouts in VoiceOver search

2011-01-12 Thread Jon Cohn
That is because the F key is no longer a F key once you have changed to a non 
latin keyboard.  I played around a little with Hebrew layouts and discovered 
the same thing.  I suggest getting  / using a numeric keypad, and then 
configuring that for the functions you need,

Best regards,

Jon

On Jan 12, 2011, at 2:39 PM, AZ wrote:

> Hi/
> 
> Yes, i'm using a russian layout and english too. On the english all works, in 
> russian almost nothing. And i can not use the russian layout when trying to 
> search something by "Ctrl+Option+f"
> AZ
> 
> 12.01.2011 21:23, Anne Robertson пишет:
>> Hello Az,
>> 
>> I'm afraid I don't understand what you're doing. I use both the British 
>> English and the French keyboard layout with no trouble at all. Are you using 
>> a layout that has a completely different character set such as greek or 
>> Russian? If so, I'll try to look into your problem.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 12 Jan 2011, at 18:09, AZ wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> Using Windows and Jaws i frequently press "Ctrl+f" to find necessary word 
>>> on a page. I know, the same feature exists in Voice Over search, "VO+f", 
>>> but once i press this combination i cann't switch between languages to 
>>> choose an other one. VoiceOver says that this combination is not supported 
>>> here, once i switch the needed language before this combination i cann't 
>>> call search feature because combinations in Mac OS X work only in english 
>>> layout. Maybe someone has an advice?
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>>AZ
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Re: Apple REmote Desktop

2011-01-12 Thread Scott Howell
Thanks, I'd be curious how it behaves on the Mac side and how much control one 
gets. In other words, it would be nice to remotely manage a machine and not 
have to worry about the audio on the remote machine. I don't know that I would 
spend the money, but the idea is interesting for sure. :)

Scott





On Jan 11, 2011, at 11:20 PM, Scott Ford wrote:

> Hello Scott,
>   I have not used that version, however I have used the version that is 
> intigrated in the MBP.  I found that it worked fine, however the voiceover 
> was on the controlled machine.  I did not get any audio on the computer that 
> I was accessing the controlled machinmachine. Jan 11, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Scott 
> Howell wrote:
> Sincerely,
> Scott
> 
> 
>> ALl,
>> 
>> I was curious if anyone has played with the most recent version of Apple 
>> Remote Desktop, 
>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/apple-remote-desktop/id409907375?mt=12. I was 
>> looking around the App store and found this item. I realize this package is 
>> $79 and is not for most users, but curious if anyone has tried it and if so, 
>> how accessible was it.
>> 
>> THanks,
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Airport Express question

2011-01-12 Thread Jon Cohn
Scott,

 I believe you are thinking of a DSL modem or Cable modem, both of which are 
supplied with a ethernet output.  Traditional modems use a phone line with a 
RJ11 connector, and there is no RJ11 jack on the current versions of Apple's 
Airport line of Router/BaseStations.


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> Yes it can.
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:50 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> Can a Airport Express connect directly into a modem (not a router) and 
>> provide internet connection wirelessly or does it have to connect through a 
>> router?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
Nope. I still got this.

Expected end of line, etc. but found “end tell”.

Here is the revised one with the quotes. it seems to barf after the activate 
thing.

tell application "skype" to activate
end tell
do shell script "./clisk"


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> You are missing quotes around the shell command that you are attempting to 
> run.
> 
> Also this might be a case where you need to use the terminal I am not sure.
> 
> But it will compile if you use a double quote that is the next  char "
> 
> The quotes need to surround the words after script.
> 
> I  often put  all punctuation on while working with AppleScript.
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> No I looked. Here is the script. I'm confused as to why the error accured.
>> 
>> try
>> tell application "skype" to activate
>> do shell script ./clisk
>> end try
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> You probably have an extra character in the Try.  I generally interact with 
>>> the error message and find the quoted  text of what it found and then 
>>> single  character through that.
>>> 
>>> Jon
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Re: Apple to add Wi-Fi hotspot to GSM iPhone with iOS 4.3 - rumor

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
but 5 gb per months is quite low. I can pull at least 50 on my home hotspot and 
that is truely unlimited. OH and that's 50 or more per month. lol!

S
On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> The interesting part of this is that if AT&T does elect to offer the hotspot 
> feature, I can bet you that anyone with the unlimited data plan will not be 
> offered the option. If that is the case, that might push subscribers away. If 
> AT&T is smart they will either allow the option to everyone regardless of 
> his/her data plan or they will raise the 2Gb cap to 5Gb. My understanding 
> (unconfirmed) is that VZW will not offer unlimited data plans perhaps, but 
> instead data plans with a 5Gb limit. So, time will tell.
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> 
>> I could read it fine, and will copy if others cannot.
>> apparently this feature is only available if the carrier offers it.
>> at&T does not on the personal level, its an extra $20.
>> Since the feature is already built into the new verizon phone, they must 
>> plan to offer it for free, its in the settings menu and can just be turned 
>> on or off.
>> Or so I gathered from a fast read lol.
>> Karen
>> 
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> I could not read the article as all it  shows is a link coded as slash. but 
>>> if this happens will we not have to pay for tethering for at&t or VZ
>>> 
>>> read more if you can:
>>> 
>>> http://dlvr.it/D7KPM
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Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
and how am I gong ot let at&t know if the contact form is not accessibil with 
safari? Not trying to be rude but it is and talking to them by phone is not 
easy if you dont have  a problem. lol!
On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Although there is a good chance AT&T will allow the hotspot feature if they 
> are smart. There are rumors that iOS 4.3 will offer this on all iPhones (that 
> can take 4.3) and it will be up to the carrier to support the feature. So, 
> let AT&T know you want this and I am sure your voice will be among many.
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> No.
>> 
>> Thats tethering.  Turning the iPhone into a mobile hotspot is something 
>> different.  And its something the Verizon iPhone has and theAT&T iPhone 
>> doesn't.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> You can, for 30 dollars a month but if you have the unlimited you loose it 
>>> and 2 gigs a month won't cut it. lol! not for theathering.
>>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Chris Harrington wrote:
>>> 
 On thing that bugs me with ATT, is you can't  get on wirelessly to the
 iPhone and use it as a hot spot. At least right now you can't, unless I'm
 missing something...
 Chris
 
 http://www.c-harrington.com
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 5:33 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple
 
 I've had no problems with at&t customer service, how ever I can see where
 you are coming from. It looks like though that prices are going to be the
 same as I read an article so we'll see.
 
 S
 On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:18 PM, James Mannion wrote:
 
> The link worked fine for me as well. I hope the IPhone does well on
> Verizon and that Verizon makes more of an atempt to be customer
> oriented than AT&T ever has. AT&T sees no reason to make their network
> what it should be if they can have a customer based trapped and can
> screw them instead of making them happy. Maybe now they will face that
> glorious reality that if you treat customers like shit you don't have
> them.
> 
> On 1/10/11, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The link works just fine for me.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:46 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
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>>> Um? not the response I expected but I'll take a look and repost. Thanks
>>> for letting me know.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:
>>> 
 bad link
 
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> Will this hurt or hinder apple, at&t or both? read more:
> 
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Jon Cohn
OK.  I was looking at a different copy of your script.

You can either use 
Tell Application  "Foo"
something to work on 
end tell

OR you can 
Tell application  "Foo" to something to work on

Note in the second version everything is on one line, and there is  the word to 
between the tell section and the command that the foo bapplication is going to 
process.

So dropping that end tel, or changing the to to a new line will  correct this 
error.

Jonathan 

On Jan 12, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Nope. I still got this.
> 
> Expected end of line, etc. but found “end tell”.
> 
> Here is the revised one with the quotes. it seems to barf after the activate 
> thing.
> 
> tell application "skype" to activate
> end tell
> do shell script "./clisk"
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:
> 
>> You are missing quotes around the shell command that you are attempting to 
>> run.
>> 
>> Also this might be a case where you need to use the terminal I am not sure.
>> 
>> But it will compile if you use a double quote that is the next  char "
>> 
>> The quotes need to surround the words after script.
>> 
>> I  often put  all punctuation on while working with AppleScript.
>> 
>> Jonathan 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> No I looked. Here is the script. I'm confused as to why the error accured.
>>> 
>>> try
>>> tell application "skype" to activate
>>> do shell script ./clisk
>>> end try
>>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:
>>> 
 You probably have an extra character in the Try.  I generally interact 
 with the error message and find the quoted  text of what it found and then 
 single  character through that.
 
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test

2011-01-12 Thread joseph
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
I did that wiht the skype application

tell application "skype" to activate and it still barfed. I will try  the 
second method and see if that works.

S
On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:

> OK.  I was looking at a different copy of your script.
> 
> You can either use 
> Tell Application  "Foo"
> something to work on 
> end tell
> 
> OR you can 
> Tell application  "Foo" to something to work on
> 
> Note in the second version everything is on one line, and there is  the word 
> to between the tell section and the command that the foo bapplication is 
> going to process.
> 
> So dropping that end tel, or changing the to to a new line will  correct this 
> error.
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Nope. I still got this.
>> 
>> Expected end of line, etc. but found “end tell”.
>> 
>> Here is the revised one with the quotes. it seems to barf after the activate 
>> thing.
>> 
>> tell application "skype" to activate
>> end tell
>> do shell script "./clisk"
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> You are missing quotes around the shell command that you are attempting to 
>>> run.
>>> 
>>> Also this might be a case where you need to use the terminal I am not sure.
>>> 
>>> But it will compile if you use a double quote that is the next  char "
>>> 
>>> The quotes need to surround the words after script.
>>> 
>>> I  often put  all punctuation on while working with AppleScript.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 No I looked. Here is the script. I'm confused as to why the error accured.
 
 try
 tell application "skype" to activate
 do shell script ./clisk
 end try
 
 On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:
 
> You probably have an extra character in the Try.  I generally interact 
> with the error message and find the quoted  text of what it found and 
> then single  character through that.
> 
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
Well that sort of worked except the do shell script didn't work. the reason I 
know that is because terminal is suposed to open and so is python window as 
well so looks like I"ll have to use the open command. Hopefully I can remember 
how that works! lol!
On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:

> OK.  I was looking at a different copy of your script.
> 
> You can either use 
> Tell Application  "Foo"
> something to work on 
> end tell
> 
> OR you can 
> Tell application  "Foo" to something to work on
> 
> Note in the second version everything is on one line, and there is  the word 
> to between the tell section and the command that the foo bapplication is 
> going to process.
> 
> So dropping that end tel, or changing the to to a new line will  correct this 
> error.
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Nope. I still got this.
>> 
>> Expected end of line, etc. but found “end tell”.
>> 
>> Here is the revised one with the quotes. it seems to barf after the activate 
>> thing.
>> 
>> tell application "skype" to activate
>> end tell
>> do shell script "./clisk"
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> You are missing quotes around the shell command that you are attempting to 
>>> run.
>>> 
>>> Also this might be a case where you need to use the terminal I am not sure.
>>> 
>>> But it will compile if you use a double quote that is the next  char "
>>> 
>>> The quotes need to surround the words after script.
>>> 
>>> I  often put  all punctuation on while working with AppleScript.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 No I looked. Here is the script. I'm confused as to why the error accured.
 
 try
 tell application "skype" to activate
 do shell script ./clisk
 end try
 
 On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:
 
> You probably have an extra character in the Try.  I generally interact 
> with the error message and find the quoted  text of what it found and 
> then single  character through that.
> 
> Jon
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
Ok it worked the first time but it died again. Here is the revised script now 
that the shell script won't work. lol!

tell application "Skype"
activate
end tell

tell application "finder"
open file "clisk_mac" in home using terminal.app
end tell

suggestions?
On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:

> OK.  I was looking at a different copy of your script.
> 
> You can either use 
> Tell Application  "Foo"
> something to work on 
> end tell
> 
> OR you can 
> Tell application  "Foo" to something to work on
> 
> Note in the second version everything is on one line, and there is  the word 
> to between the tell section and the command that the foo bapplication is 
> going to process.
> 
> So dropping that end tel, or changing the to to a new line will  correct this 
> error.
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Nope. I still got this.
>> 
>> Expected end of line, etc. but found “end tell”.
>> 
>> Here is the revised one with the quotes. it seems to barf after the activate 
>> thing.
>> 
>> tell application "skype" to activate
>> end tell
>> do shell script "./clisk"
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> You are missing quotes around the shell command that you are attempting to 
>>> run.
>>> 
>>> Also this might be a case where you need to use the terminal I am not sure.
>>> 
>>> But it will compile if you use a double quote that is the next  char "
>>> 
>>> The quotes need to surround the words after script.
>>> 
>>> I  often put  all punctuation on while working with AppleScript.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 No I looked. Here is the script. I'm confused as to why the error accured.
 
 try
 tell application "skype" to activate
 do shell script ./clisk
 end try
 
 On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:
 
> You probably have an extra character in the Try.  I generally interact 
> with the error message and find the quoted  text of what it found and 
> then single  character through that.
> 
> Jon
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Re: Apple Seeds iOS 4.3 Beta to Developers

2011-01-12 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose
No, I see no reason why any of the features in the article would
enhance accessibility unless you've spotted something that I haven't?
Also, I do understand the overlap, but surely this is more viphone,
like all the other news stories?

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Response from Drop box Team

2011-01-12 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Okay.  What you see pasted below is the response I got from the Drop Box Team 
about the issue of those of us who have the latest version of Drop Box not 
being able to gain access to the prefs window.

"
Kevin, Jan-12 04:13 pm (PST):
Hi Ray,

Thanks for writing to Dropbox. We are aware of this problem and are working to 
fix it. We apologize for the loss of functionality.

Please contact us if you have any other questions.

Regards,
Kevin


Ray Foret jr, Jan-11 07:02 am (PST):
I'm a blind Mac user. Having now installed the latest version of Drop Box, I 
find that accessing the prefs window is not at all possible. when I try to 
click with the mouse, Press VO+space, or just press the space bar on the prefs 
menu, I cannot access this at all. this really does need to be addressed. Many 
thanks.



"

Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
barefootedray

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Re: Airport Express question

2011-01-12 Thread Scott Howell
Correct, I was thinking of DSL or cable. How quickly one forgets about those 
good old dial-up days. So, you are correct, a dial-up modem cannot be connected 
to the router. Funny you mention this as I recall APple had an old Airport 
router (think they called it Extreme) that looked like a UFO and it actually 
had a dial-up modem built-in. Never did try using it with dial-up, but would 
have been interesting.

Scott





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> Scott,
> 
> I believe you are thinking of a DSL modem or Cable modem, both of which are 
> supplied with a ethernet output.  Traditional modems use a phone line with a 
> RJ11 connector, and there is no RJ11 jack on the current versions of Apple's 
> Airport line of Router/BaseStations.
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 6:11 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Yes it can.
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:50 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> Can a Airport Express connect directly into a modem (not a router) and 
>>> provide internet connection wirelessly or does it have to connect through a 
>>> router?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread Jon Cohn
tell application "Skype"
activate
end tell

do shell script "open -a Terminal ./clisk_mac"

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Re: a question about apple scripting

2011-01-12 Thread louie
Do this
tell application "Skype"
activate

On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I did that wiht the skype application
> 
> tell application "skype" to activate and it still barfed. I will try  the 
> second method and see if that works.
> 
> S
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:
> 
>> OK.  I was looking at a different copy of your script.
>> 
>> You can either use 
>> Tell Application  "Foo"
>> something to work on 
>> end tell
>> 
>> OR you can 
>> Tell application  "Foo" to something to work on
>> 
>> Note in the second version everything is on one line, and there is  the word 
>> to between the tell section and the command that the foo bapplication is 
>> going to process.
>> 
>> So dropping that end tel, or changing the to to a new line will  correct 
>> this error.
>> 
>> Jonathan 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> Nope. I still got this.
>>> 
>>> Expected end of line, etc. but found “end tell”.
>>> 
>>> Here is the revised one with the quotes. it seems to barf after the 
>>> activate thing.
>>> 
>>> tell application "skype" to activate
>>> end tell
>>> do shell script "./clisk"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:
>>> 
 You are missing quotes around the shell command that you are attempting to 
 run.
 
 Also this might be a case where you need to use the terminal I am not sure.
 
 But it will compile if you use a double quote that is the next  char "
 
 The quotes need to surround the words after script.
 
 I  often put  all punctuation on while working with AppleScript.
 
 Jonathan 
 
 On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
> No I looked. Here is the script. I'm confused as to why the error accured.
> 
> try
> tell application "skype" to activate
> do shell script ./clisk
> end try
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Jon Cohn wrote:
> 
>> You probably have an extra character in the Try.  I generally interact 
>> with the error message and find the quoted  text of what it found and 
>> then single  character through that.
>> 
>> Jon
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itunes podcast question

2011-01-12 Thread denise avant
hi all,
i have a couple of podcasts that are undownloaded. i am not sure how to go 
about getting them to download. i tried checking the box with the podcast title 
but nothing doing. perhaps i am missing a step. i'm using itunes on my macbook 
pro.

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Re: Response from Drop box Team

2011-01-12 Thread Matthew Campbell
You were able to access dropbox at all?
All I got in the old version was a whole bunch of unknowns during the setup 
process and then nothing after the setup was finished.
I get nothing at all with the new version.
On 2011-01-12, at 7:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Okay.  What you see pasted below is the response I got from the Drop Box Team 
> about the issue of those of us who have the latest version of Drop Box not 
> being able to gain access to the prefs window.
> 
> "
> Kevin, Jan-12 04:13 pm (PST):
> Hi Ray,
> 
> Thanks for writing to Dropbox. We are aware of this problem and are working 
> to fix it. We apologize for the loss of functionality.
> 
> Please contact us if you have any other questions.
> 
> Regards,
> Kevin
> 
> 
> Ray Foret jr, Jan-11 07:02 am (PST):
> I'm a blind Mac user. Having now installed the latest version of Drop Box, I 
> find that accessing the prefs window is not at all possible. when I try to 
> click with the mouse, Press VO+space, or just press the space bar on the 
> prefs menu, I cannot access this at all. this really does need to be 
> addressed. Many thanks.
> 
> 
> "
> 
> Sincerely, 
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype Name:
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Re: itunes podcast question

2011-01-12 Thread Jane
Hello.

Make sure the view is set to text list view in iTunes.  It's a radio button 
you'll find when you use control-option-left or right-arrow to move around the 
screen.  Just check it with control-space.

Interact with the podcast table using control-option-shift-down-arrow.  Arrow 
down to the podcast you want to downnload.  When you find it, do 
control-option-shift-m and use your arrow keys till you hear "download all 
podcast episodes."  Hit the return key.  The episodes will start downloading.  
If you only want to download certain episodes, just arrow to the episodes you 
want to download and hit control-option-shift-m on each one individually; 
you'll then hear "download podcast episode."  You then hit return and the 
episodes will download.

HTH,

Jane



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> hi all,
> i have a couple of podcasts that are undownloaded. i am not sure how to go 
> about getting them to download. i tried checking the box with the podcast 
> title but nothing doing. perhaps i am missing a step. i'm using itunes on my 
> macbook pro.
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Re: Response from Drop box Team

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
tha't what they aid to me a few months ago. Hmm canned? Yep.
On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Okay.  What you see pasted below is the response I got from the Drop Box Team 
> about the issue of those of us who have the latest version of Drop Box not 
> being able to gain access to the prefs window.
> 
> "
> Kevin, Jan-12 04:13 pm (PST):
> Hi Ray,
> 
> Thanks for writing to Dropbox. We are aware of this problem and are working 
> to fix it. We apologize for the loss of functionality.
> 
> Please contact us if you have any other questions.
> 
> Regards,
> Kevin
> 
> 
> Ray Foret jr, Jan-11 07:02 am (PST):
> I'm a blind Mac user. Having now installed the latest version of Drop Box, I 
> find that accessing the prefs window is not at all possible. when I try to 
> click with the mouse, Press VO+space, or just press the space bar on the 
> prefs menu, I cannot access this at all. this really does need to be 
> addressed. Many thanks.
> 
> 
> "
> 
> Sincerely, 
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
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Re: Apple Seeds iOS 4.3 Beta to Developers

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
I'm not on that list anymore for my own reasons. lol! and  I have not gotten 
any complaints about the posting of articles.

S
On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

> No, I see no reason why any of the features in the article would
> enhance accessibility unless you've spotted something that I haven't?
> Also, I do understand the overlap, but surely this is more viphone,
> like all the other news stories?
> 
> On 12/01/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> Will these features  enhance accessibility and productivity for the
>> consumer? read more:
>> 
>> http://bit.ly/fmJNjY
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RE: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

2011-01-12 Thread Andy Baracco
Oh! God!  Please give me strength.  Are people really saying that the blind
are the only segment of society that uses raw language?  my grandfather was
a construction worker, and not blind, and often used language that would
make one blush.  This reminds me of gatherings of adult blind people where
alcohol was not served for fear of the poor blind people getting drunk, and
doing, God knows what.

Andy
 


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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maurice Mines
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

You areIn a hello,I don't normally comment on things on this list. However I
am compelled to comment on this. Let's face it folks the other 75%
unemployment rate in the United States. Bad language scares potential
employers period so that is not mistaken that there is no possibility of
misinterpretation as the list moderator has said we don't know who's reading
this. Let me also tell you that lists like this are archived in many
different places. When you go to look for employment employers look at this
list if there's bad language you can cost people jobs and that only 30% of
blind Americans working in this country I implore you to please do not use
inappropriate and nonprofessional language. Because it will cost somebody a
job and I don't think that the participants and listless want to be having
somebody on SSI SSP I and other government support programs for the rest of
their lives simply because somebody doesn't know how to treat people with
common respect and refrain from inappropriate language. In short I agree
with the moderator, let's knock it off. To say that this thread disturbs me
in many different ways, would be an understatement. Let's move on. I'm not a
moderator, but if we're interested in all getting out there, and getting
meaningful positions of employment for those of us were not working, using
the target language is imperative. Thank you very much for reading this. PS,
I am using dictation software. As my tagline says some words they actually
come out and appropriately. However I think that you can get the inference
of what I am saying. I will not comment any further on this subject.
On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

> What's reasonable, who's definition of language?
> 
> Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want
reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial moral
high ground to brow beat others in to submission?
> 
> What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience
as a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano?  If
this is acceptable then where does that logic end?
> 
> At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over
the air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed suits
that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects to
content that fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the highest
order.
> 
> Heh
> 
> Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of
silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind community
lists especially why not use that delete key that's located in the upper
right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get your
pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their right to express
themselves.  Live and let live, turn the other cheek, all that mumbo jumbo.
> 
> Good times!
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I hope the moderators will follow through and move to read-only status
those persons who continue to disregard the very reasonable requests
regarding language.  
>> 
>> Marlaina, a very happy A T & T customer who has never been treated with
anything but respect and professionalism by A T & T.
>> 
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Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

2011-01-12 Thread Eric Oyen
I have used course language myself at times. The problem remains though, we are 
singling out others in our own community for being too abrasive when they are 
mild by comparison to some sighties.

now I realize that the mods here have specific rules and ethics to which the 
adhere. We need to trust them to do their jobs. it is not up to us to tell them 
how.  The problem I see here is that someone will be offended no matter what we 
say or do.  My great Grandfather summed up nicely: "you can please some of the 
people some of the time. you can please all of the people some of the time. 
BUT, you cannot please all of the people all of the time". It sounds cliche I 
know, but, it is often true.

-Eric

On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

> Oh! God!  Please give me strength.  Are people really saying that the blind
> are the only segment of society that uses raw language?  my grandfather was
> a construction worker, and not blind, and often used language that would
> make one blush.  This reminds me of gatherings of adult blind people where
> alcohol was not served for fear of the poor blind people getting drunk, and
> doing, God knows what.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer."
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maurice Mines
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple
> 
> You areIn a hello,I don't normally comment on things on this list. However I
> am compelled to comment on this. Let's face it folks the other 75%
> unemployment rate in the United States. Bad language scares potential
> employers period so that is not mistaken that there is no possibility of
> misinterpretation as the list moderator has said we don't know who's reading
> this. Let me also tell you that lists like this are archived in many
> different places. When you go to look for employment employers look at this
> list if there's bad language you can cost people jobs and that only 30% of
> blind Americans working in this country I implore you to please do not use
> inappropriate and nonprofessional language. Because it will cost somebody a
> job and I don't think that the participants and listless want to be having
> somebody on SSI SSP I and other government support programs for the rest of
> their lives simply because somebody doesn't know how to treat people with
> common respect and refrain from inappropriate language. In short I agree
> with the moderator, let's knock it off. To say that this thread disturbs me
> in many different ways, would be an understatement. Let's move on. I'm not a
> moderator, but if we're interested in all getting out there, and getting
> meaningful positions of employment for those of us were not working, using
> the target language is imperative. Thank you very much for reading this. PS,
> I am using dictation software. As my tagline says some words they actually
> come out and appropriately. However I think that you can get the inference
> of what I am saying. I will not comment any further on this subject.
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> What's reasonable, who's definition of language?
>> 
>> Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want
> reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial moral
> high ground to brow beat others in to submission?
>> 
>> What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience
> as a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano?  If
> this is acceptable then where does that logic end?
>> 
>> At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over
> the air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed suits
> that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects to
> content that fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the highest
> order.
>> 
>> Heh
>> 
>> Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of
> silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind community
> lists especially why not use that delete key that's located in the upper
> right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get your
> pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their right to express
> themselves.  Live and let live, turn the other cheek, all that mumbo jumbo.
>> 
>> Good times!
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I hope the moderators will follow through and move to read-only status
> those persons who continue to disregard the very reasonable requests
> regarding language.  
>>> 
>>> Marlaina, a very happy A T & T customer who has never been treated with
> anything but respect and professionalism by A T & T.
>>> 
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Re: Apple Seeds iOS 4.3 Beta to Developers

2011-01-12 Thread Ricardo Walker
I'm not sure about accessibility because, everything native to IOS is already 
accessible but, I think these additions would definitely enhance productivity 
for consumers at large.

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On Jan 12, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Will these features  enhance accessibility and productivity for the consumer? 
> read more:
> 
> http://bit.ly/fmJNjY
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Re: The Verizon iPhone is not as accessible to deaf and hard of hearing as AT&T's iPhone

2011-01-12 Thread Ricardo Walker
I don't mean to sound like a jerk but, what do you mean?  This has always been 
the case for CDMA.  Its not exclusive to the Verizon iPhone.  So why would 
something which is the status quo be impact full?  The hard of hearing will do 
what they been doing, use GSM until LTE is fully deployed.

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On Jan 12, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> How will this impact those of us with hearing troubles? read more:
> 
> http://ow.ly/3COMr
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Re: Airport Express question

2011-01-12 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

But the original poster didn't specify.  They just said modem.  I think its 
just natural to assume one is speaking of a DSL or cable modem.

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On Jan 12, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> I believe you are thinking of a DSL modem or Cable modem, both of which are 
> supplied with a ethernet output.  Traditional modems use a phone line with a 
> RJ11 connector, and there is no RJ11 jack on the current versions of Apple's 
> Airport line of Router/BaseStations.
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 6:11 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Yes it can.
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:50 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> Can a Airport Express connect directly into a modem (not a router) and 
>>> provide internet connection wirelessly or does it have to connect through a 
>>> router?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
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Re: Apple Seeds iOS 4.3 Beta to Developers

2011-01-12 Thread Sarah Alawami
Yep we'll see. I can't test the thing as I don't have a beta testing account 
but I'm excited. Hopefully some VO bugs will be fixed like the cutting off of 
letters at faster rates. I've addressed to apple and htey are aware of it.

S
On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> I'm not sure about accessibility because, everything native to IOS is already 
> accessible but, I think these additions would definitely enhance productivity 
> for consumers at large.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> On Jan 12, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
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>> Will these features  enhance accessibility and productivity for the 
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