Re: Additional help needed with Reading line by line
Hello Linda, First of all, there are two ways of navigating websites: DOM and Groups. I have set a hot key in Keyboard Commander to switch between these modes as I prefer Groups mode in general, but DOM mode for reading articles straight through. DOM mode only allows you to move left and right, but Groups mode lets you move in all directions. Groups mode collects items together into Groups like paragraphs. You can interact with a group to examine what's inside more closely. It all depends on how a website is coded as to whether you can read line by line. Now for Quick Nav. Turn Quick Nav on by pressing the left and right arrows at the same time smartly. Interact with an item by pressing the right and down arrows together. Stop interacting by pressing the down and left arrows together. Perform the default action by pressing the up and down arrows together. Change the rotor setting by pressing the left and up arrows or right and up arrows together. The rotor affects the behaviour of the up and down arrows alone. The choices are Navigation, Words and Characters. I find Quick Nav extremely useful and use it frequently. I hope this clarifies matters for you. Cheers, Anne On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Linda Adams wrote: > Thanks to Nic, Chantel and Anne for their comments on this question but > I still haven't had success. My question deals with web pages and I > have a Mac Book 10.6 > > When I began working on this, , like Nic says, I could advance through a > web page with just pressing the down arrow but it would completely skip > paragraphs when I did that. Pressing VO and down arrow did nothing > beside sounding a beep. When I used the right or left arrows, it moved > through the text without skipping anything but read a whole paragraph at > a time. When I got to the beginning of a paragraph, I could interact > with the text but I could only go word by word through the paragraph > using VO right/left arrows. . > > Then, as suggested by Anne, I tried using quick nav for the first time > and things got really strange. I understood that pressing the right and > left arrows together will turn it on and off as a toggle. this has not > been the case. Sometimes it toggles and sometimes it doesn't. Should I > hold the keys or should it be a quick simultaneous press? At one point, > it appeared to have turned on and I was, in fact, able to read through a > paragraph a line at a time. Replicating this has not been easy. And > after playing with the quick nav, I can no longer go through the web > page with just the right and left arrows without pressing the VO keys. > I guess I changed something but I don't know what I did. > The tracking is still on. > > All suggestions are welcomed. > > Linda > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:53 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Read line by line > > > Hi, > > Apple made it possible in 10.6 to read by using only the arrow keys on > websites. However, it seems like a really flaky solution, and doesn't > seem to work all of the time. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have not found a way to read by line when on the internet. >> >> Les >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to >> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to > macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2665 - Release Date: 02/03/10 > 08:09:00 > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscr
Re: Additional help needed with Reading line by line
Hi, Just a correction. DOM mode will actually allow you to move up and down as well if only using the arrow keys. However, I didn't suggest Group mode because I figured she was using the default settings. The solution in DOM mode is kind of flaky, though. It seems to work for the most part, including selecting lines from webpages. But that's not always doable in some instances, but sometimes it is on exactly the same webpages it was unavailable previously. I find this a strange symptom. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Linda, > > First of all, there are two ways of navigating websites: DOM and Groups. I > have set a hot key in Keyboard Commander to switch between these modes as I > prefer Groups mode in general, but DOM mode for reading articles straight > through. > > DOM mode only allows you to move left and right, but Groups mode lets you > move in all directions. Groups mode collects items together into Groups like > paragraphs. You can interact with a group to examine what's inside more > closely. It all depends on how a website is coded as to whether you can read > line by line. > > Now for Quick Nav. Turn Quick Nav on by pressing the left and right arrows at > the same time smartly. > Interact with an item by pressing the right and down arrows together. > Stop interacting by pressing the down and left arrows together. > Perform the default action by pressing the up and down arrows together. > Change the rotor setting by pressing the left and up arrows or right and up > arrows together. The rotor affects the behaviour of the up and down arrows > alone. The choices are Navigation, Words and Characters. > > I find Quick Nav extremely useful and use it frequently. > > I hope this clarifies matters for you. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Linda Adams wrote: > >> Thanks to Nic, Chantel and Anne for their comments on this question but >> I still haven't had success. My question deals with web pages and I >> have a Mac Book 10.6 >> >> When I began working on this, , like Nic says, I could advance through a >> web page with just pressing the down arrow but it would completely skip >> paragraphs when I did that. Pressing VO and down arrow did nothing >> beside sounding a beep. When I used the right or left arrows, it moved >> through the text without skipping anything but read a whole paragraph at >> a time. When I got to the beginning of a paragraph, I could interact >> with the text but I could only go word by word through the paragraph >> using VO right/left arrows. . >> >> Then, as suggested by Anne, I tried using quick nav for the first time >> and things got really strange. I understood that pressing the right and >> left arrows together will turn it on and off as a toggle. this has not >> been the case. Sometimes it toggles and sometimes it doesn't. Should I >> hold the keys or should it be a quick simultaneous press? At one point, >> it appeared to have turned on and I was, in fact, able to read through a >> paragraph a line at a time. Replicating this has not been easy. And >> after playing with the quick nav, I can no longer go through the web >> page with just the right and left arrows without pressing the VO keys. >> I guess I changed something but I don't know what I did. >> The tracking is still on. >> >> All suggestions are welcomed. >> >> Linda >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:53 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Read line by line >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Apple made it possible in 10.6 to read by using only the arrow keys on >> websites. However, it seems like a really flaky solution, and doesn't >> seem to work all of the time. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have not found a way to read by line when on the internet. >>> >>> Les >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to >>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to >> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: Additional help needed with Reading line by line
Hello Nic, DOM mode doesn't allow me to do anything when just using the arrow keys except when Quick Nav is on, and in that case, the up and down arrows perform the action selected using the rotor (links, headers, etc.). I suppose if there's a table it's possible to move up and down. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Additional help needed with Reading line by line
Hi, Nope. I've done it when reading articles containing no tables, as well. Try Google. It works there, too. :). The way it's done is a bit different for sure, but it's line by line if you're at the beginning of a line when you use this method. You'll see what I mean when I say it's a bit flaky. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Nic, > > DOM mode doesn't allow me to do anything when just using the arrow keys > except when Quick Nav is on, and in that case, the up and down arrows perform > the action selected using the rotor (links, headers, etc.). I suppose if > there's a table it's possible to move up and down. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Repairing permissions, should I close all apps?
Hi everyone. If you are having problems with your system and you want to repair permissions to try and fix them, is it necessary to close all apps first? I noticed that last time I repaired permissions, it did fix a bad Safari problem, but when I looked at the log, it showed that certain files were not able to be opened or something like that. I'm going to try repairing permissions again just as a routine maintenance thing, but this time maybe I would turn Voiceover off first? I just wanted to know what you all thought. I don't exactly understand what repairing permissions does, but I noticed that when I had to force quit Safari because it was acting up on several occasions, I repaired permissions and it made Safari like new again, so it does indeed work sometimes. I crashed the new iTunes already this morning, so thought I'd repair permissions just to make sure things were on the right track for this new version. Thanks in advance for any insights. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Repairing permissions, should I close all apps?
Hi Lynn, I am not an expert, but I tend to close all applications when repairing permissions except for VO, as I have no other way of knowing if the process has finished. But perhaps I will and then give it around 10 minutes. Of course, it will take longer if you don't do it often. I also repair Permissions before and after a Software Update and sometimes after installing new software. Hope this helps TC James Lyn Nash & Twinny On 5 Feb 2010, at 11:11, Lynn Schneider wrote: > Hi everyone. If you are having problems with your system and you want to > repair permissions to try and fix them, is it necessary to close all apps > first? I noticed that last time I repaired permissions, it did fix a bad > Safari problem, but when I looked at the log, it showed that certain files > were not able to be opened or something like that. I'm going to try > repairing permissions again just as a routine maintenance thing, but this > time maybe I would turn Voiceover off first? I just wanted to know what you > all thought. I don't exactly understand what repairing permissions does, but > I noticed that when I had to force quit Safari because it was acting up on > several occasions, I repaired permissions and it made Safari like new again, > so it does indeed work sometimes. > > I crashed the new iTunes already this morning, so thought I'd repair > permissions just to make sure things were on the right track for this new > version. > > Thanks in advance for any insights. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: slightly OT: A call to action!
It's a very interesting read. TC James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny On 4 Feb 2010, at 23:32, Jess wrote: > I will take a look at it. > Thank you very much. > Jes > > On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Carolyn wrote: > >> Jess: >> I was reading a Syndicated Columnists Weekly, and ran across an article I >> think would interest you. >> It is entitled "Justice Department Settles Kindle On-Campus Cases," >> It is by Associated Press. It ran in the Wall Street Journal on January 18, >> 2010. It discusses the use of Ebooks in classrooms, and the charge against >> Amazon.com re the Kindle's lack of accessibility. >> >> >> I could send you the braille copy if you can't find it on line and are >> interested. >> >> Carolyn >> - Original Message - >> From: Jess >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:45 AM >> Subject: Re: A call to action! >> >> Thanks to everyone that has responded so far to my post. >> For those people who suggest that we just scan our books, call me a breaker >> of the old tradition, but scanners are just not practical anymore. More and >> more books are going to be on the electronic internet, and I think that a >> good start is for us to get a following. We should post about this issue on >> blogs, twitter, and anywhere people will listen to us. >> I appreciate those that feel I have a valid complaint, and I think that all >> of us who really care about this should contact the publishers to discuss >> this with them. >> I completely forgot about other print-disabled people sharing my concerns, >> but that just makes my case all the stronger. >> >> On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Carolyn wrote: >> >>> Jes: >>> I'm not currently a student, but you have a vallid complaint. I wound up >>> scanning a print textbook for a friend of mine after he purchased the >>> e-book and found it inaccessible for the reasons you state. >>> I'm not sure where one would start, but I would think about consulting >>> disabled student services at your school, and also contact the NFB in >>> Maryland to check out whether anyone there is addressing this issue. >>> HTH >>> Carolyn >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Jess >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:49 AM >>> Subject: A call to action! >>> >>> First, a question. >>> How many people like to read books? I know I do. How many people were >>> overjoyed that entire text books were going to be put online? I was. >>> However, a lot of EBooks cannot be read by any screen reader we have today. >>> Why? Simply put, the text of the book is contained within an OCR image, and >>> there is a special reader required to read them. These are not your >>> standard PDF files, and the books are protected by DRM, so there is no way >>> to extract the contents into programs like text edit. >>> As a book worm, I tried out the Kindle app for the IPhone, and was >>> delighted to find that a book that I wanted to read was available on the >>> Kindle store. However, my joy turned to bitter disappointment when I >>> realized that while I could navigate the book's table of contents, cover, >>> and chapters to an extent, the text was completely inaccessible. >>> Furthermore, my text books for my classes were not usable. Ladies and >>> gentlemen, I fear that unless we as blind consumers stand up, and demand >>> that these publishers put their text books into standard native file >>> formats, such as pdf or doc, we will lose a lot of access to books, and our >>> chances to succeed at college will be severelydiminished. So, >>> anyone have any thoughts of what to do? >>> I thought about starting a petition to ask Amazon to require their >>> publishers to make their books usable, but figured that I would be a >>> laughing stock for doing so, as most publishers probably wouldn't have the >>> time to read, much less consider what I was asking for. >>> My point is, as long as E texts get more and more graphical, our chances to >>> read will be greatly impaired, and as more and more books become >>> exclusively online, we will lose access to the latest editions of books >>> altogether. Thoughts, anyone? >>> You may also skype me at pianomagic88 >>> >>> Jes >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit thi
Re: Repairing permissions, should I close all apps?
No. On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:11 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote: > Hi everyone. If you are having problems with your system and you want to > repair permissions to try and fix them, is it necessary to close all apps > first? I noticed that last time I repaired permissions, it did fix a bad > Safari problem, but when I looked at the log, it showed that certain files > were not able to be opened or something like that. I'm going to try > repairing permissions again just as a routine maintenance thing, but this > time maybe I would turn Voiceover off first? I just wanted to know what you > all thought. I don't exactly understand what repairing permissions does, but > I noticed that when I had to force quit Safari because it was acting up on > several occasions, I repaired permissions and it made Safari like new again, > so it does indeed work sometimes. > > I crashed the new iTunes already this morning, so thought I'd repair > permissions just to make sure things were on the right track for this new > version. > > Thanks in advance for any insights. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Repairing permissions, should I close all apps?
Hello Lynn and all: Hahaha. The challenge of lists like these you will get two answers which are conflicting (smile). Your question was ... is it necessary? No, it is not absolutely necessary. Is it a good idea? If it limits the confusion that may result from apps being open then by all means close them all so you only have to keep track of the one activity. And, if it assists in providing you with a little piece of mind ... good heavens close them and run permissions. Not a black and white answer I know though somehow I get the feeling this is the answer which will produce the best results (grin). Good luck and let us know how it goes. On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:10 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote: No. On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:11 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote: Hi everyone. If you are having problems with your system and you want to repair permissions to try and fix them, is it necessary to close all apps first? I noticed that last time I repaired permissions, it did fix a bad Safari problem, but when I looked at the log, it showed that certain files were not able to be opened or something like that. I'm going to try repairing permissions again just as a routine maintenance thing, but this time maybe I would turn Voiceover off first? I just wanted to know what you all thought. I don't exactly understand what repairing permissions does, but I noticed that when I had to force quit Safari because it was acting up on several occasions, I repaired permissions and it made Safari like new again, so it does indeed work sometimes. I crashed the new iTunes already this morning, so thought I'd repair permissions just to make sure things were on the right track for this new version. Thanks in advance for any insights. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Repairing permissions, should I close all apps?
I turn everything but VO off. I have no idea why but it seemed like the right thig to do. On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:11 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote: > Hi everyone. If you are having problems with your system and you want to > repair permissions to try and fix them, is it necessary to close all apps > first? I noticed that last time I repaired permissions, it did fix a bad > Safari problem, but when I looked at the log, it showed that certain files > were not able to be opened or something like that. I'm going to try > repairing permissions again just as a routine maintenance thing, but this > time maybe I would turn Voiceover off first? I just wanted to know what you > all thought. I don't exactly understand what repairing permissions does, but > I noticed that when I had to force quit Safari because it was acting up on > several occasions, I repaired permissions and it made Safari like new again, > so it does indeed work sometimes. > > I crashed the new iTunes already this morning, so thought I'd repair > permissions just to make sure things were on the right track for this new > version. > > Thanks in advance for any insights. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Repairing permissions, should I close all apps?
Hmm. I haven't repaired permissions since some time last summer. I've been experiencing some pretty flaky behavior, so this post is making me think that perhaps I should do it again. Can someone refresh me briefly on how to do this? TIA, Donna On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:42 AM, James & Nash wrote: > Hi Lynn, > > I am not an expert, but I tend to close all applications when repairing > permissions except for VO, as I have no other way of knowing if the process > has finished. But perhaps I will and then give it around 10 minutes. Of > course, it will take longer if you don't do it often. > > I also repair Permissions before and after a Software Update and sometimes > after installing new software. > > Hope this helps > > TC > James Lyn Nash & Twinny > On 5 Feb 2010, at 11:11, Lynn Schneider wrote: > >> Hi everyone. If you are having problems with your system and you want to >> repair permissions to try and fix them, is it necessary to close all apps >> first? I noticed that last time I repaired permissions, it did fix a bad >> Safari problem, but when I looked at the log, it showed that certain files >> were not able to be opened or something like that. I'm going to try >> repairing permissions again just as a routine maintenance thing, but this >> time maybe I would turn Voiceover off first? I just wanted to know what you >> all thought. I don't exactly understand what repairing permissions does, >> but I noticed that when I had to force quit Safari because it was acting up >> on several occasions, I repaired permissions and it made Safari like new >> again, so it does indeed work sometimes. >> >> I crashed the new iTunes already this morning, so thought I'd repair >> permissions just to make sure things were on the right track for this new >> version. >> >> Thanks in advance for any insights. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Repairing permissions, should I close all apps?
Hello Donna, To repair permissions: • Go to Utilities (Command-Shift-u); • Select and open Disk Utility, typing "dis" will get you straight to it; • Select your HD in the table; • Select First Aid which is the first tab; • Select Repair Disk Permissions. It takes around ten minutes but you can keep track of what it thinks is the time remaining. There's no need to turn VO off since VO isn't really an application. You should always repair permissions after an update or after installing new software. Cheers, Anne On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hmm. I haven't repaired permissions since some time last summer. I've been > experiencing some pretty flaky behavior, so this post is making me think that > perhaps I should do it again. Can someone refresh me briefly on how to do > this? > TIA, > Donna > On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:42 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> Hi Lynn, >> >> I am not an expert, but I tend to close all applications when repairing >> permissions except for VO, as I have no other way of knowing if the process >> has finished. But perhaps I will and then give it around 10 minutes. Of >> course, it will take longer if you don't do it often. >> >> I also repair Permissions before and after a Software Update and sometimes >> after installing new software. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> TC >> James Lyn Nash & Twinny >> On 5 Feb 2010, at 11:11, Lynn Schneider wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone. If you are having problems with your system and you want to >>> repair permissions to try and fix them, is it necessary to close all apps >>> first? I noticed that last time I repaired permissions, it did fix a bad >>> Safari problem, but when I looked at the log, it showed that certain files >>> were not able to be opened or something like that. I'm going to try >>> repairing permissions again just as a routine maintenance thing, but this >>> time maybe I would turn Voiceover off first? I just wanted to know what >>> you all thought. I don't exactly understand what repairing permissions >>> does, but I noticed that when I had to force quit Safari because it was >>> acting up on several occasions, I repaired permissions and it made Safari >>> like new again, so it does indeed work sometimes. >>> >>> I crashed the new iTunes already this morning, so thought I'd repair >>> permissions just to make sure things were on the right track for this new >>> version. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any insights. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Repairing permissions, should I close all apps?
Hi, As another note, when it says "Warning (insert a lot of stuff here) This has been modified, and cannot be repaired". To quote what the Mac manual tells me, "Don't worry about it". So I don't. :) Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:42 PM, James & Nash wrote: > Hi Lynn, > > I am not an expert, but I tend to close all applications when repairing > permissions except for VO, as I have no other way of knowing if the process > has finished. But perhaps I will and then give it around 10 minutes. Of > course, it will take longer if you don't do it often. > > I also repair Permissions before and after a Software Update and sometimes > after installing new software. > > Hope this helps > > TC > James Lyn Nash & Twinny > On 5 Feb 2010, at 11:11, Lynn Schneider wrote: > >> Hi everyone. If you are having problems with your system and you want to >> repair permissions to try and fix them, is it necessary to close all apps >> first? I noticed that last time I repaired permissions, it did fix a bad >> Safari problem, but when I looked at the log, it showed that certain files >> were not able to be opened or something like that. I'm going to try >> repairing permissions again just as a routine maintenance thing, but this >> time maybe I would turn Voiceover off first? I just wanted to know what you >> all thought. I don't exactly understand what repairing permissions does, >> but I noticed that when I had to force quit Safari because it was acting up >> on several occasions, I repaired permissions and it made Safari like new >> again, so it does indeed work sometimes. >> >> I crashed the new iTunes already this morning, so thought I'd repair >> permissions just to make sure things were on the right track for this new >> version. >> >> Thanks in advance for any insights. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Repairing permissions, should I close all apps?
Thank you! I was looking in the apps folder, but didn't make the connection to Utilities. Best, Donna On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Donna, > > To repair permissions: > • Go to Utilities (Command-Shift-u); > • Select and open Disk Utility, typing "dis" will get you straight to it; > • Select your HD in the table; > • Select First Aid which is the first tab; > • Select Repair Disk Permissions. > > It takes around ten minutes but you can keep track of what it thinks is the > time remaining. > > There's no need to turn VO off since VO isn't really an application. > > You should always repair permissions after an update or after installing new > software. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hmm. I haven't repaired permissions since some time last summer. I've been >> experiencing some pretty flaky behavior, so this post is making me think >> that perhaps I should do it again. Can someone refresh me briefly on how to >> do this? >> TIA, >> Donna >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:42 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> Hi Lynn, >>> >>> I am not an expert, but I tend to close all applications when repairing >>> permissions except for VO, as I have no other way of knowing if the process >>> has finished. But perhaps I will and then give it around 10 minutes. Of >>> course, it will take longer if you don't do it often. >>> >>> I also repair Permissions before and after a Software Update and sometimes >>> after installing new software. >>> >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> TC >>> James Lyn Nash & Twinny >>> On 5 Feb 2010, at 11:11, Lynn Schneider wrote: >>> Hi everyone. If you are having problems with your system and you want to repair permissions to try and fix them, is it necessary to close all apps first? I noticed that last time I repaired permissions, it did fix a bad Safari problem, but when I looked at the log, it showed that certain files were not able to be opened or something like that. I'm going to try repairing permissions again just as a routine maintenance thing, but this time maybe I would turn Voiceover off first? I just wanted to know what you all thought. I don't exactly understand what repairing permissions does, but I noticed that when I had to force quit Safari because it was acting up on several occasions, I repaired permissions and it made Safari like new again, so it does indeed work sometimes. I crashed the new iTunes already this morning, so thought I'd repair permissions just to make sure things were on the right track for this new version. Thanks in advance for any insights. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Repairing permissions, should I close all apps?
LOL! That's funny, thanks for the tip. On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > As another note, when it says "Warning (insert a lot of stuff here) This has > been modified, and cannot be repaired". To quote what the Mac manual tells > me, "Don't worry about it". So I don't. :) > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:42 PM, James & Nash wrote: > >> Hi Lynn, >> >> I am not an expert, but I tend to close all applications when repairing >> permissions except for VO, as I have no other way of knowing if the process >> has finished. But perhaps I will and then give it around 10 minutes. Of >> course, it will take longer if you don't do it often. >> >> I also repair Permissions before and after a Software Update and sometimes >> after installing new software. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> TC >> James Lyn Nash & Twinny >> On 5 Feb 2010, at 11:11, Lynn Schneider wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone. If you are having problems with your system and you want to >>> repair permissions to try and fix them, is it necessary to close all apps >>> first? I noticed that last time I repaired permissions, it did fix a bad >>> Safari problem, but when I looked at the log, it showed that certain files >>> were not able to be opened or something like that. I'm going to try >>> repairing permissions again just as a routine maintenance thing, but this >>> time maybe I would turn Voiceover off first? I just wanted to know what >>> you all thought. I don't exactly understand what repairing permissions >>> does, but I noticed that when I had to force quit Safari because it was >>> acting up on several occasions, I repaired permissions and it made Safari >>> like new again, so it does indeed work sometimes. >>> >>> I crashed the new iTunes already this morning, so thought I'd repair >>> permissions just to make sure things were on the right track for this new >>> version. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any insights. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Voice Over and Numbers
Hello list, I don't know if there's something I'm not doing, but the Numbers application does not seem very accessible with VO. At the least, when you enter data, it is very confusing. Has anyone else noticed this? Does anyone have any tips for using Numbers? Thanks TC James Lyn Nash & Twinny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Selecting and Applying Styles in Pages with VO
Hi list, I am attempting to apply styles to some text in Pages with Voice Over. But after selecting the text and navigating to the format bar, i still find all the buttons dimmed. Has anyone come across this before please and can they provide any tips? Thanks TC James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Repairing permissions, should I close all apps?
No it isn't. On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:11 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote: > Hi everyone. If you are having problems with your system and you want to > repair permissions to try and fix them, is it necessary to close all apps > first? I noticed that last time I repaired permissions, it did fix a bad > Safari problem, but when I looked at the log, it showed that certain files > were not able to be opened or something like that. I'm going to try > repairing permissions again just as a routine maintenance thing, but this > time maybe I would turn Voiceover off first? I just wanted to know what you > all thought. I don't exactly understand what repairing permissions does, but > I noticed that when I had to force quit Safari because it was acting up on > several occasions, I repaired permissions and it made Safari like new again, > so it does indeed work sometimes. > > I crashed the new iTunes already this morning, so thought I'd repair > permissions just to make sure things were on the right track for this new > version. > > Thanks in advance for any insights. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: a couple of Safari questions--bookmarks top sites and tool bars
Hi Chris, Chris Hofstader wrote: How does one keep the top sites bar from showing up? I can usually get it to go away but it seems to return randomly. You can keep the top sites bar from showing up by de-selecting this under the Bookmarks options of your Safari preferences. 1. Press Command-comma to bring up the preferences menu 2. Interact with the toolbar (VO-Shift-Down arrow) and navigate (tab or VO-Right arrow) to the "Bookmarks" button 3. Press (VO-Space) the "Bookmarks" button 4. Tab to the Bookmarks preference options. There are checkboxes that allow you to configure what appears in your Bookmarks menu and Bookmarks bar. 5. Navigate (VO-Right arrow) to the "Include Top Sites" entry and uncheck it (VO-Space). 6. Close the preferences window (Command-W). HTH Also, as an addendum to Robert's question about getting bookmarks from the Top Sites menu. Apparently, bookmarking a web site (with Command- D) simply adds a site to the Top Sites entries, but doesn't create a separate bookmark entry in the list on the page where you show bookmarks with Command-Option-B. To move sites that you bookmarked under "Top SItes" to the regular bookmarks categories or folders you'll have to navigate to these pages and then bookmark them again (e.g., use Command-Option-1 to navigate to "Top Sites", interact, then navigate through the list using VO-Space to select each site, set a bookmark with Command-D, go back to "Top SItes" page with Command- [ and VO-Right arrow to the next top site page, VO-Space to select, bookmark with Command-D, etc.) Cheers, Esther -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
question about home, end, page up page down
Hi Listers: I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty locating page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are functionkey plus the arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use them that way. Any clarification would be much appreciated. Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off list. TIA for anything. Carolyn CH:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left becomes Home and right becomes End. Hope that helps. CB Carolyn wrote: Hi Listers: I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty locating page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are functionkey plus the arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use them that way. Any clarification would be much appreciated. Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off list. TIA for anything. Carolyn CH:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Chris: It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! Carolyn - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left becomes Home and right becomes End. Hope that helps. CB Carolyn wrote: Hi Listers: I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty locating page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are functionkey plus the arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use them that way. Any clarification would be much appreciated. Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off list. TIA for anything. Carolyn CH:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Hi, They actually don't do anything unless you use them with another combination, or so I've found. Try turning on keyboard help. They're the right keys. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:44 PM, Carolyn wrote: > Chris: > It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! > > Carolyn > - Original Message - > From: Chris Blouch > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down > > Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) and > the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left becomes Home > and right becomes End. > > Hope that helps. > > CB > > Carolyn wrote: >> >> Hi Listers: >> I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty locating >> page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are functionkey plus the >> arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use them that way. Any >> clarification would be much appreciated. >> Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in >> bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off list. >> TIA for anything. >> >> Carolyn >> CH:) >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Hi, Saying that, home and end are used to go to the beginning and end of documents. Of course, I can't get that to work myself, but oh well. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > They actually don't do anything unless you use them with another combination, > or so I've found. Try turning on keyboard help. They're the right keys. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:44 PM, Carolyn wrote: > >> Chris: >> It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! >> >> Carolyn >> - Original Message - >> From: Chris Blouch >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM >> Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down >> >> Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) >> and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left becomes >> Home and right becomes End. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> CB >> >> Carolyn wrote: >>> >>> Hi Listers: >>> I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty locating >>> page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are functionkey plus the >>> arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use them that way. Any >>> clarification would be much appreciated. >>> Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in >>> bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off >>> list. >>> TIA for anything. >>> >>> Carolyn >>> CH:) >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: a couple of Safari questions--bookmarks top sites and tool bars
Thank you very much! On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Chris Hofstader wrote: > >> How does one keep the top sites bar from showing up? I can usually get it >> to go away but it seems to return randomly. > > You can keep the top sites bar from showing up by de-selecting this under the > Bookmarks options of your Safari preferences. > 1. Press Command-comma to bring up the preferences menu > 2. Interact with the toolbar (VO-Shift-Down arrow) and navigate (tab or > VO-Right arrow) to the "Bookmarks" button > 3. Press (VO-Space) the "Bookmarks" button > 4. Tab to the Bookmarks preference options. There are checkboxes that allow > you to configure what appears in your Bookmarks menu and Bookmarks bar. > 5. Navigate (VO-Right arrow) to the "Include Top Sites" entry and uncheck it > (VO-Space). > 6. Close the preferences window (Command-W). > > HTH > > Also, as an addendum to Robert's question about getting bookmarks from the > Top Sites menu. Apparently, bookmarking a web site (with Command-D) simply > adds a site to the Top Sites entries, but doesn't create a separate bookmark > entry in the list on the page where you show bookmarks with Command-Option-B. > To move sites that you bookmarked under "Top SItes" to the regular bookmarks > categories or folders you'll have to navigate to these pages and then > bookmark them again (e.g., use Command-Option-1 to navigate to "Top Sites", > interact, then navigate through the list using VO-Space to select each site, > set a bookmark with Command-D, go back to "Top SItes" page with Command-[ and > VO-Right arrow to the next top site page, VO-Space to select, bookmark with > Command-D, etc.) > > Cheers, > > Esther > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
You can also use Cmd + Up and Cmd + down respectively. TC James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny On 5 Feb 2010, at 18:51, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Saying that, home and end are used to go to the beginning and end of > documents. Of course, I can't get that to work myself, but oh well. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> They actually don't do anything unless you use them with another >> combination, or so I've found. Try turning on keyboard help. They're the >> right keys. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:44 PM, Carolyn wrote: >> >>> Chris: >>> It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! >>> >>> Carolyn >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Chris Blouch >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM >>> Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down >>> >>> Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) >>> and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left >>> becomes Home and right becomes End. >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> Carolyn wrote: Hi Listers: I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty locating page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are functionkey plus the arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use them that way. Any clarification would be much appreciated. Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off list. TIA for anything. Carolyn CH:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Hi, This is because on their own they really don't do anything on the mac. For example, in windows, home takes you to the beginning of a line in an edit field, and end takes you to the end of the line. In the mac world, control left arrow takes you to the beginning of the line and control right arrow takes you to the end. Some one will have to enlighten us on the placement of the next and previous page and top and bottom of document commands. unfortunately they are escaping me just now. Best, erik burggraaf A+ certified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-02-05, at 1:44 PM, Carolyn wrote: > Chris: > It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! > > Carolyn > - Original Message - > From: Chris Blouch > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down > > Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) and > the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left becomes Home > and right becomes End. > > Hope that helps. > > CB > > Carolyn wrote: >> >> Hi Listers: >> I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty locating >> page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are functionkey plus the >> arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use them that way. Any >> clarification would be much appreciated. >> Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in >> bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off list. >> TIA for anything. >> >> Carolyn >> CH:) >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Thanks Erik. This transition is quite humbling for me. Carolyn - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down Hi, This is because on their own they really don't do anything on the mac. For example, in windows, home takes you to the beginning of a line in an edit field, and end takes you to the end of the line. In the mac world, control left arrow takes you to the beginning of the line and control right arrow takes you to the end. Some one will have to enlighten us on the placement of the next and previous page and top and bottom of document commands. unfortunately they are escaping me just now. Best, erik burggraaf A+ certified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-02-05, at 1:44 PM, Carolyn wrote: Chris: It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! Carolyn - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left becomes Home and right becomes End. Hope that helps. CB Carolyn wrote: Hi Listers: I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty locating page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are functionkey plus the arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use them that way. Any clarification would be much appreciated. Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off list. TIA for anything. Carolyn CH:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
IPod touch voiceover question
Hi I'm new to this list and have a question. Is it possible to delete a podcast from the IPod touch using voice over? I know I can do it from the PC, but the manual says you can do it from the IPod too. It says you have to wipe left or right over the name and then press the delete button. I can't find a delete button and even wiping doesn't work. It may not be possible using voiceover. I'm relatively new to the Ipod Touch but would be grateful for any ideas. Many thanks. Lisette __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4839 (20100205) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Movement keys, especially on laptops [was Re: question about home, end, page up page down]
Hi Carolyn,
It's much easier to illustrate how to use these keystrokes on the
MacBook Pro by taking a practical example of where documentation
references "Home" and "End". Let's assume that you've read about
movement commands because you want to navigate to the top or bottom of
a list. This could, for instance, be the messages table in Mail,
because you want to move to the most recent message. Or, perhaps you
ran a search of messages on a certain topic by pressing Command-Option-
F to move to the search field, then typed in search terms like
"bookmarks" or "smart playlists", and then tabbed to the messages
table and you now want to read through the entries starting with the
earliest message. At this point, after interacting (VO-Shift-Down
arrow) with the messages table, you read that VO-Home takes you to the
beginning of the table and VO-End takes you to the end of the table.
On your MacBook Pro you would press VO-Fn-Shift-Left Arrow in place of
VO-Home to move to the beginning of the table and VO-Fn-Shift-Right
Arrow in place of VO-End to move to the end of the table.
These movement commands really do move to the start and end of the
table -- for example, if you want to read the names of senders or the
subject or date of the message you'll need to use VO-Right arrow or VO-
Left arrow to move back to one of these columns, since VO-Fn-Shift-
Right arrow moves focus to the last column of the last row of your
displayed table and VO-Fn-Shift-Left arrow moves focus to the first
column of the first row of your displayed table.
Another thing that I find useful in mail when I want to read up or
down a subject thread, but have my messages ordered by date, rather
than by thread, is pressing Option-Up arrow or Option-Down arrow to
read previous or next messages in the thread.
Navigation within documents is a little different, since you don't
have a table structure. In that case you can, indeed, as James
advises, use Command-Up arrow to move to the top of the document and
Command-Down arrow to move to the bottom of a document.
Here's a link to one of the archived list posts on shortcut sequences
for movement and selection that work in any of Mac's Cocoa apps
(TextEdit, Mail, etc. -- most of the apps you use). These are Mac OS
X specific:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02038.html
("Moving and Selecting in Cocoa Apps")
(there's one typo where "select to beginning of document" appears
twice -- my bad for being sloppy with cut and paste, but it's obvious
that the second case is meant to be "select to end of document")
Also, the example I gave for moving to the top or bottom of the mail
messages table can also easily be used for the songs table of iTunes,
in exactly the same way (in combination with search, if needed, with
exactly the same shortcut sequence of Command-Option-F to go to the
search text field). This pattern also works for Finder, if I run a
search in list view. In general, you may also want to navigate within
the table to specific columns with VO-Right arrow or VO-Left arrow,
and you might resort your results in each column with VO-Backslash,
where "backslash" is the key at the rightmost key on English input
keyboards, just below the delete key and above the return key. (On
non-English input keyboards you may need to bring up the Commands menu
with VO-H twice, and look for the "Sort" option.) In the mail
messages example, I might have wanted to do this to reorder replies
according to the name of a sender, or by subject thread. Each time VO-
Backslash is applied the sort order of that column will invert between
ascending and descending sort order. Make sure that you return your
sort to your preferred setting (e.g. "date received") when you're done.
HTH. If you have a particular context in mind for using these keys,
just ask.
Cheers,
Esther
On Feb 5, 2010, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hi, This is because on their own they really don't do anything on
the mac.
For example, in windows, home takes you to the beginning of a line
in an edit field, and end takes you to the end of the line.
In the mac world, control left arrow takes you to the beginning of
the line and control right arrow takes you to the end.
Some one will have to enlighten us on the placement of the next and
previous page and top and bottom of document commands.
unfortunately they are escaping me just now.
Carolyn wrote:
Chris:
It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb!
Carolyn
- Original Message -
From: Chris Blouch
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard
layout) and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown
while left becomes Home and right becomes End.
Hope that
Re: Additional help needed with Reading line by line
Yeah, It is something apple really needs to fix. It works in dom mode but, only when it feels like working. lol. I noticed if I load a page and try to use the arrows it might not work, then I get up to get a glass of water and bam! it's working. Maybe its saving the content of the page into some kind of temporary memory to use this option of using the arrows to navigate. Who knows. But if this thing worked like it was suppose to, it would make selecting text so much easier.. On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:22 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Nope. I've done it when reading articles containing no tables, as well. Try > Google. It works there, too. :). The way it's done is a bit different for > sure, but it's line by line if you're at the beginning of a line when you use > this method. You'll see what I mean when I say it's a bit flaky. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello Nic, >> >> DOM mode doesn't allow me to do anything when just using the arrow keys >> except when Quick Nav is on, and in that case, the up and down arrows >> perform the action selected using the rotor (links, headers, etc.). I >> suppose if there's a table it's possible to move up and down. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
O'Reilly (DRM-free) Ebook Deal of the Day RSS feed
Hi, This post will mainly be of interest to programmers and information technology folks who might use O'Reilly's publications. Each day, their RSS feed will offer one of their current releases in DRM-free, multiple eBook formats: PDF, ePub, Mobi, and APK (Android) file formats for $9.99 with a coupon code for checkout good for that day. You get access to all of these formats in your account library, so you can read the text in PDF on your Mac, and at some later time if the iBookstore's app provides a general purpose reader, the ePub format will also be readable on that device. (And if Stanza ever irons out the VoiceOver accessibility bugs, you'll be able to read the ePub versions through their iPhone app uploaded through Stanza Desktop; at present you can sort of do this but the reading really limps along since you have to touch every page to read it.) From O'Reilly's email announcement: "When you buy an ebook through oreilly.com, you get lifetime access to the book, and whenever possible we provide it to you in four, DRM-free file formats — PDF, .epub, Kindle-compatible .mobi, and Android .apk — that you can use on the devices of your choice. Our ebook files are fully searchable, and you can cut-and-paste and print them. We also alert you when we've updated the files with corrections and additions." At present (for some time), they've been running a "Buy 2 books, get the 3rd Free" promo using the discount code: OPC10 at checkout. Most of these titles are technical in nature, but might be of interest to some list members. As an example, Monday's Ebook deal (posted a few days before I received their announcement) was: "Building iPhone Apps with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript". A few days before that, the Ebook deal of the day was: "Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual, Leopard Edition". O'Reilly makes their books available internationally through Bookshare, but this program is generally available, does not require Bookshare membership (which costs more for international users), releases the books in other formats, and releases the latest titles right away. For more information about O'Reilly's Ebook offerings, check their web page: http://oreilly.com/ebooks/ The O'Reilly Ebook Deal of the Day RSS feed is: feed://feeds.feedburner.com/oreilly/ebookdealoftheday Today's Ebook deal is: "Making Things Talk: Practical Methods for Connecting Physical Objects" (note this is not about "talking" as in text to speech). HTH Cheers, Esther -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Hi, That's the method I use. I only said it didn't work because I couldn't get it to work. According to the manual, you can hit Home or End to jump to the beginning or end, but nothing happens on my end. Of course, it is always possible I somehow misread what the manual said. That's why I was curious to the claim of the manual. I always use VO-FN-Shift-left or right arrow for the most part anyway, but sometimes I don't even find myself interacting in a document in particular so I use command-Up or down mostly. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Feb 5, 2010, at 8:23 PM, James & Nash wrote: > You can also use Cmd + Up and Cmd + down respectively. > TC > James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny > On 5 Feb 2010, at 18:51, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Saying that, home and end are used to go to the beginning and end of >> documents. Of course, I can't get that to work myself, but oh well. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> They actually don't do anything unless you use them with another >>> combination, or so I've found. Try turning on keyboard help. They're the >>> right keys. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:44 PM, Carolyn wrote: >>> Chris: It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! Carolyn - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left becomes Home and right becomes End. Hope that helps. CB Carolyn wrote: > > Hi Listers: > I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty > locating page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are > functionkey plus the arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use > them that way. Any clarification would be much appreciated. > Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in > bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off > list. > TIA for anything. > > Carolyn > CH:) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googleg
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Hi, Actually, I find that sometimes, Control-left and right do not always work, so I'm just using Command-left and right at the moment. No idea why, so I usually try both if one doesn't work. :) Better safe than sorry! Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Feb 5, 2010, at 8:24 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Hi, This is because on their own they really don't do anything on the mac. > > For example, in windows, home takes you to the beginning of a line in an edit > field, and end takes you to the end of the line. > > In the mac world, control left arrow takes you to the beginning of the line > and control right arrow takes you to the end. > > Some one will have to enlighten us on the placement of the next and previous > page and top and bottom of document commands. unfortunately they are > escaping me just now. > > Best, > erik burggraaf > A+ certified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2010-02-05, at 1:44 PM, Carolyn wrote: > >> Chris: >> It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! >> >> Carolyn >> - Original Message - >> From: Chris Blouch >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM >> Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down >> >> Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) >> and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left becomes >> Home and right becomes End. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> CB >> >> Carolyn wrote: >>> >>> Hi Listers: >>> I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty locating >>> page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are functionkey plus the >>> arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use them that way. Any >>> clarification would be much appreciated. >>> Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in >>> bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off >>> list. >>> TIA for anything. >>> >>> Carolyn >>> CH:) >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Hi all, Control Left-Right doesn't do anything on my system. Command Left-Right-Up-Down works quite well. Cheers, Donna On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Actually, I find that sometimes, Control-left and right do not always work, > so I'm just using Command-left and right at the moment. No idea why, so I > usually try both if one doesn't work. :) Better safe than sorry! > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 8:24 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Hi, This is because on their own they really don't do anything on the mac. >> >> For example, in windows, home takes you to the beginning of a line in an >> edit field, and end takes you to the end of the line. >> >> In the mac world, control left arrow takes you to the beginning of the line >> and control right arrow takes you to the end. >> >> Some one will have to enlighten us on the placement of the next and previous >> page and top and bottom of document commands. unfortunately they are >> escaping me just now. >> >> Best, >> erik burggraaf >> A+ certified technician and user support consultant. >> Phone: 888-255-5194 >> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 2010-02-05, at 1:44 PM, Carolyn wrote: >> >>> Chris: >>> It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! >>> >>> Carolyn >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Chris Blouch >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM >>> Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down >>> >>> Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) >>> and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left >>> becomes Home and right becomes End. >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> Carolyn wrote: Hi Listers: I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty locating page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are functionkey plus the arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use them that way. Any clarification would be much appreciated. Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off list. TIA for anything. Carolyn CH:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Ok. I'm sitting here playing while reading this. Here goes. Function Left= Home (top of document), Function Right arrow=End (end of document), Function Up is Page up, and Function down is page down. this is on the 2009 MBP 13". On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Saying that, home and end are used to go to the beginning and end of > documents. Of course, I can't get that to work myself, but oh well. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> They actually don't do anything unless you use them with another >> combination, or so I've found. Try turning on keyboard help. They're the >> right keys. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:44 PM, Carolyn wrote: >> >>> Chris: >>> It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! >>> >>> Carolyn >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Chris Blouch >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM >>> Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down >>> >>> Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) >>> and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left >>> becomes Home and right becomes End. >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> Carolyn wrote: Hi Listers: I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty locating page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are functionkey plus the arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use them that way. Any clarification would be much appreciated. Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off list. TIA for anything. Carolyn CH:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Not on mine. Those keystrokes do absolutely nothing. Donna On Feb 5, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: > Ok. I'm sitting here playing while reading this. Here goes. Function Left= > Home (top of document), Function Right arrow=End (end of document), Function > Up is Page up, and Function down is page down. this is on the 2009 MBP 13". > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Saying that, home and end are used to go to the beginning and end of >> documents. Of course, I can't get that to work myself, but oh well. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> They actually don't do anything unless you use them with another >>> combination, or so I've found. Try turning on keyboard help. They're the >>> right keys. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:44 PM, Carolyn wrote: >>> Chris: It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! Carolyn - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left becomes Home and right becomes End. Hope that helps. CB Carolyn wrote: > > Hi Listers: > I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty > locating page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are > functionkey plus the arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use > them that way. Any clarification would be much appreciated. > Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in > bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off > list. > TIA for anything. > > Carolyn > CH:) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) > Pete Nalda > http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voice Over and Numbers
Hi James, When entering data, I turn QuickNav on and that seems to help. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Additional help needed with Reading line by line
Nic and Anne, Thanks for the additional information on reading web pages line by line and using Quick Nav. I haven't experimented with switching between DOM and Group modes yet to see the difference. Am I right in assuming that DOM is the default mode? So I'm going to check out the difference in the two modes and practice using Quick Nav. Linda -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:22 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Additional help needed with Reading line by line Hi, Just a correction. DOM mode will actually allow you to move up and down as well if only using the arrow keys. However, I didn't suggest Group mode because I figured she was using the default settings. The solution in DOM mode is kind of flaky, though. It seems to work for the most part, including selecting lines from webpages. But that's not always doable in some instances, but sometimes it is on exactly the same webpages it was unavailable previously. I find this a strange symptom. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Linda, > > First of all, there are two ways of navigating websites: DOM and > Groups. I have set a hot key in Keyboard Commander to switch between > these modes as I prefer Groups mode in general, but DOM mode for > reading articles straight through. > > DOM mode only allows you to move left and right, but Groups mode lets > you move in all directions. Groups mode collects items together into > Groups like paragraphs. You can interact with a group to examine > what's inside more closely. It all depends on how a website is coded > as to whether you can read line by line. > > Now for Quick Nav. Turn Quick Nav on by pressing the left and right > arrows at the same time smartly. Interact with an item by pressing the > right and down arrows together. Stop interacting by pressing the down > and left arrows together. Perform the default action by pressing the > up and down arrows together. Change the rotor setting by pressing the > left and up arrows or right and up arrows together. The rotor affects > the behaviour of the up and down arrows alone. The choices are > Navigation, Words and Characters. > > I find Quick Nav extremely useful and use it frequently. > > I hope this clarifies matters for you. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Linda Adams wrote: > >> Thanks to Nic, Chantel and Anne for their comments on this question >> but I still haven't had success. My question deals with web pages >> and I have a Mac Book 10.6 >> >> When I began working on this, , like Nic says, I could advance >> through a web page with just pressing the down arrow but it would >> completely skip paragraphs when I did that. Pressing VO and down >> arrow did nothing beside sounding a beep. When I used the right or >> left arrows, it moved through the text without skipping anything but >> read a whole paragraph at a time. When I got to the beginning of a >> paragraph, I could interact with the text but I could only go word by >> word through the paragraph using VO right/left arrows. . >> >> Then, as suggested by Anne, I tried using quick nav for the first >> time and things got really strange. I understood that pressing the >> right and left arrows together will turn it on and off as a toggle. >> this has not been the case. Sometimes it toggles and sometimes it >> doesn't. Should I hold the keys or should it be a quick simultaneous >> press? At one point, it appeared to have turned on and I was, in >> fact, able to read through a paragraph a line at a time. Replicating >> this has not been easy. And after playing with the quick nav, I can >> no longer go through the web page with just the right and left arrows >> without pressing the VO keys. I guess I changed something but I don't >> know what I did. The tracking is still on. >> >> All suggestions are welcomed. >> >> Linda >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai >> Svendsen >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:53 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Read line by line >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Apple made it possible in 10.6 to read by using only the arrow keys >> on websites. However, it seems like a really flaky solution, and >> doesn't seem to work all of the time. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have not found a way to read by line when on the internet. >>> >>> Les >>> >>> -- >>> You receive
Re: After I Phone is paired
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Re: question about home, end, page up page down
On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Not on mine. Those keystrokes do absolutely nothing. > Donna Ok this is really weird, but If I have *not* done any moving around with voiceover, Function Left does put the screen focus on message headers, and then Function+right arrow puts it at the end. As soon as I move around with VO this stops working. I don't get it. And, since I've got some vision, doing these movements without VO on and the Zoom on does the same thing. Hope this makes sense. I wonder if having VO turned on has any effect on it? Also, I can't get it to duplicate this behavior when replying to a message. Shucks, trying to help and now got myself confused in the process lol. > On Feb 5, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: > >> Ok. I'm sitting here playing while reading this. Here goes. Function Left= >> Home (top of document), Function Right arrow=End (end of document), Function >> Up is Page up, and Function down is page down. this is on the 2009 MBP 13". >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Saying that, home and end are used to go to the beginning and end of >>> documents. Of course, I can't get that to work myself, but oh well. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> Hi, They actually don't do anything unless you use them with another combination, or so I've found. Try turning on keyboard help. They're the right keys. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:44 PM, Carolyn wrote: > Chris: > It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! > > Carolyn > - Original Message - > From: Chris Blouch > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down > > Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) > and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left > becomes Home and right becomes End. > > Hope that helps. > > CB > > Carolyn wrote: >> >> Hi Listers: >> I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty >> locating page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are >> functionkey plus the arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use >> them that way. Any clarification would be much appreciated. >> Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in >> bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off >> list. >> TIA for anything. >> >> Carolyn >> CH:) >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) >> Pete Nalda >> http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >
Re: question about home, end, page up page down
Hi, Yeah, for some apparently it works great. I can't get Home and End to work on their own. But the manual said. :( Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: > Ok. I'm sitting here playing while reading this. Here goes. Function Left= > Home (top of document), Function Right arrow=End (end of document), Function > Up is Page up, and Function down is page down. this is on the 2009 MBP 13". > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Saying that, home and end are used to go to the beginning and end of >> documents. Of course, I can't get that to work myself, but oh well. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> They actually don't do anything unless you use them with another >>> combination, or so I've found. Try turning on keyboard help. They're the >>> right keys. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:44 PM, Carolyn wrote: >>> Chris: It should, but it simply doesn't do anything. Boy do I feel dumb! Carolyn - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: question about home, end, page up page down Function (which is the bottom-left most key on the whole keyboard layout) and the arrow keys makes up/down into PageUp and PageDown while left becomes Home and right becomes End. Hope that helps. CB Carolyn wrote: > > Hi Listers: > I'm in a quandry. I have a MacBook Pro, and I'm having difficulty > locating page up, page down, end and home. I was told they are > functionkey plus the arrows, but they don't respond when I try to use > them that way. Any clarification would be much appreciated. > Alternatively, anyone living neaar Denver Co who might be interested in > bringing a very slow rooky along with some tutoring should write me off > list. > TIA for anything. > > Carolyn > CH:) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) > Pete Nalda > http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voice Over and Numbers
Thanks Les, I'll try this. I've never used Quick Nav. I have always found it more of a hindrance hen I've accidentally turned it on.. TC James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny On 5 Feb 2010, at 22:48, Les Kriegler wrote: > Hi James, > > When entering data, I turn QuickNav on and that seems to help. > > Les > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
A question about max and musicbrainz
Hi all. Now I have succeded in setting up max, so that I can rip cd's in the quality I want. I am not using ITunes for that, because I can not get the quality I want, I think it is a voiceover problem, but it is not solved in the last version of ITunes either. So I try to use max instead, I am in a way very saticefied with that, but I have a problem, The program is using musicbrainz, and I can not find my cd's on that database, can I use another database instead and which? and which information do I need, if I can use another database? I hope somebody can help. Best regards Annie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voice Over and Numbers
James, I'm amazed at how many times in various programs I use QuickNav and it means the difference between access and no access. It outweighs the times I forget to turn it off! Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
airfoil and soundflower
Hi All, I finally have my airport express connected to a stereo. Set up was a snap. So I can use airfoil to send from various audio sources on the Mac to the stereo. From reading about sound flower, I got the idea that I might be able to operate the Mac with a bluetooth keyboard, assuming the keyboard and Mac still saw each other, and listen to the vo output through airfoil speakers with airfoil transmitting the audio via sound flower rather than the default of system audio. So, I just tried changing to sound flower in the table in air foil preferences, and I get no audio from air foil now. Obviously, I'm missing something or more than one thing here. Can anybody advise whether what I'm trying to do with sound flower is possible? I'm not worried bout the bluetooth at this point. I just want to see if I can get vo audio to somewhere via airfoil through airfoil speakers. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Movement keys, especially on laptops [was Re: question about home, end, page up page down]
Esther:
Many thanks. Obviously you're liteyears ahead of me here, but I certainly
appreciate the explanation, and I'll start exploring further. Again, thank you.
Carolyn
- Original Message -
From: Esther
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: Movement keys, especially on laptops [was Re: question about home,
end, page up page down]
Hi Carolyn,
It's much easier to illustrate how to use these keystrokes on the MacBook Pro
by taking a practical example of where documentation references "Home" and
"End". Let's assume that you've read about movement commands because you want
to navigate to the top or bottom of a list. This could, for instance, be the
messages table in Mail, because you want to move to the most recent message.
Or, perhaps you ran a search of messages on a certain topic by pressing
Command-Option-F to move to the search field, then typed in search terms like
"bookmarks" or "smart playlists", and then tabbed to the messages table and you
now want to read through the entries starting with the earliest message. At
this point, after interacting (VO-Shift-Down arrow) with the messages table,
you read that VO-Home takes you to the beginning of the table and VO-End takes
you to the end of the table. On your MacBook Pro you would press
VO-Fn-Shift-Left Arrow in place of VO-Home to move to the beginning of the
table and VO-Fn-Shift-Right Arrow in place of VO-End to move to the end of the
table.
These movement commands really do move to the start and end of the table --
for example, if you want to read the names of senders or the subject or date of
the message you'll need to use VO-Right arrow or VO-Left arrow to move back to
one of these columns, since VO-Fn-Shift-Right arrow moves focus to the last
column of the last row of your displayed table and VO-Fn-Shift-Left arrow moves
focus to the first column of the first row of your displayed table.
Another thing that I find useful in mail when I want to read up or down a
subject thread, but have my messages ordered by date, rather than by thread, is
pressing Option-Up arrow or Option-Down arrow to read previous or next messages
in the thread.
Navigation within documents is a little different, since you don't have a
table structure. In that case you can, indeed, as James advises, use
Command-Up arrow to move to the top of the document and Command-Down arrow to
move to the bottom of a document.
Here's a link to one of the archived list posts on shortcut sequences for
movement and selection that work in any of Mac's Cocoa apps (TextEdit, Mail,
etc. -- most of the apps you use). These are Mac OS X specific:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02038.html
("Moving and Selecting in Cocoa Apps")
(there's one typo where "select to beginning of document" appears twice -- my
bad for being sloppy with cut and paste, but it's obvious that the second case
is meant to be "select to end of document")
Also, the example I gave for moving to the top or bottom of the mail messages
table can also easily be used for the songs table of iTunes, in exactly the
same way (in combination with search, if needed, with exactly the same shortcut
sequence of Command-Option-F to go to the search text field). This pattern
also works for Finder, if I run a search in list view. In general, you may
also want to navigate within the table to specific columns with VO-Right arrow
or VO-Left arrow, and you might resort your results in each column with
VO-Backslash, where "backslash" is the key at the rightmost key on English
input keyboards, just below the delete key and above the return key. (On
non-English input keyboards you may need to bring up the Commands menu with
VO-H twice, and look for the "Sort" option.) In the mail messages example, I
might have wanted to do this to reorder replies according to the name of a
sender, or by subject thread. Each time VO-Backslash is applied the sort order
of that column will invert between ascending and descending sort order. Make
sure that you return your sort to your preferred setting (e.g. "date received")
when you're done.
HTH. If you have a particular context in mind for using these keys, just ask.
Cheers,
Esther
On Feb 5, 2010, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hi, This is because on their own they really don't do anything on the mac.
For example, in windows, home takes you to the beginning of a line in an
edit field, and end takes you to the end of the line.
In the mac world, control left arrow takes you to the beginning of the line
and control right arrow takes you to the end.
Some one will have to enlighten us on the placement of the next and
previous page and top and bottom of document commands. unfortunately they are
escaping me just now.
Carolyn wrote:
Chris:
It should, but it simply doesn't do any
Re: Voice Over and Numbers
Hi Les, Then I'll have to give it a real go. Thanks again, TC James Lyn, Nash & Twinny On 6 Feb 2010, at 00:40, Les Kriegler wrote: > James, > > I'm amazed at how many times in various programs I use QuickNav and it means > the difference between access and no access. It outweighs the times I forget > to turn it off! > > Les > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Movement keys, especially on laptops [was Re: question about home, end, page up page down]
Hi Carolyn, You're too kind about these comments -- especially since I realize that I mistyped the sort command (aargh!) -- which is VO-Shift-backslash (not VO-backslash, which expands and collapses folders). It just goes to show that muscle memory doesn't always translate to what I'm typing. (It used to be that my most common typing error would be saying "interact" and then I would leave out typing the Shift key in my instructions and this would come out as VO-Down arrow instead of VO-Shift Down arrow; at least I'm consistent…). Just look upon this as the incomplete construction (smile). Seriously, I do find it easier to learn the movement and selection commands together (using the Command key as part of the sequence). Let me know if anything I posted doesn't work -- it's probably another typo! Cheers, Esther Carolyn wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A question about max and musicbrainz
Hi, What quality did you want to use in iTunes? I never had a problem changing the quality settings. On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi all. > > Now I have succeded in setting up max, so that I can rip cd's in the > quality I want. I am not using ITunes for that, because I can not get > the quality I want, I think it is a voiceover problem, but it is not > solved in the last version of ITunes either. So I try to use max > instead, I am in a way very saticefied with that, but I have a > problem, The program is using musicbrainz, and I can not find my cd's > on that database, can I use another database instead and which? and > which information do I need, if I can use another database? > > I hope somebody can help. > > Best regards Annie. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
creating ringtones from my own mp3's
Hey All, I am very strongly thinking of getting an Iphone in may this year the only thing that I don't like so far is the fact that you can't use you own music from mp3's to use as ringtones is this correct or is there an app for the Iphone that gets around this problem and what is the general thoughts as far as accessibility on the iphone any input will be much appreciated to make my final choice. Regards Dean !!!Thoughts become things so choose the good ones because Life's to short to be a grumble bum !!! * Email: d...@internode.on.net * Phone: 0243206031 * Skype: deanadams9 * Mobile: 0428133758 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: creating ringtones from my own mp3's
You can create your own ring tones for the iPhone. I can research the procedure for you. Let me know. n9gmr...@gmail.com Skype blindbiker Matt Roberts Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver On Feb 6, 2010, at 12:33 AM, Dean Adams wrote: Hey All, I am very strongly thinking of getting an Iphone in may this year the only thing that I don't like so far is the fact that you can't use you own music from mp3's to use as ringtones is this correct or is there an app for the Iphone that gets around this problem and what is the general thoughts as far as accessibility on the iphone any input will be much appreciated to make my final choice. Regards Dean !!!Thoughts become things so choose the good ones because Life's to short to be a grumble bum !!! Email: d...@internode.on.net Phone: 0243206031 Skype: deanadams9 Mobile: 0428133758 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: airfoil and soundflower
Hi Mary. The way to make this work is to have airfoil transmit the system audio to your airport express. This should be the last option in your airfoil sources list. You do need to have sound flower installed, but this isn't the option you pick, system audio is what you want. I really wouldn't recommend doing this however. I just tried it to make sure it worked. It does, but there is a second and a half time lag between when you press something, and when you hear VO through the airport. HTH. Darcy On 2010-02-05, at 7:50 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi All, > I finally have my airport express connected to a stereo. Set up was a snap. > So I can use airfoil to send from various audio sources on the Mac to the > stereo. From reading about sound flower, I got the idea that I might be able > to operate the Mac with a bluetooth keyboard, assuming the keyboard and Mac > still saw each other, and listen to the vo output through airfoil speakers > with airfoil transmitting the audio via sound flower rather than the default > of system audio. So, I just tried changing to sound flower in the table in > air foil preferences, and I get no audio from air foil now. Obviously, I'm > missing something or more than one thing here. Can anybody advise whether > what I'm trying to do with sound flower is possible? I'm not worried bout the > bluetooth at this point. I just want to see if I can get vo audio to > somewhere via airfoil through airfoil speakers. > > mary > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: airfoil and soundflower
Hi Mary. The way to make this work is to have airfoil transmit the system audio to your airport express. This should be the last option in your airfoil sources list. You do need to have sound flower installed, but this isn't the option you pick, system audio is what you want. I really wouldn't recommend doing this however. I just tried it to make sure it worked. It does, but there is a second and a half time lag between when you press something, and when you hear VO through the airport. HTH. Darcy On 2010-02-05, at 7:50 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi All, > I finally have my airport express connected to a stereo. Set up was a snap. > So I can use airfoil to send from various audio sources on the Mac to the > stereo. From reading about sound flower, I got the idea that I might be able > to operate the Mac with a bluetooth keyboard, assuming the keyboard and Mac > still saw each other, and listen to the vo output through airfoil speakers > with airfoil transmitting the audio via sound flower rather than the default > of system audio. So, I just tried changing to sound flower in the table in > air foil preferences, and I get no audio from air foil now. Obviously, I'm > missing something or more than one thing here. Can anybody advise whether > what I'm trying to do with sound flower is possible? I'm not worried bout the > bluetooth at this point. I just want to see if I can get vo audio to > somewhere via airfoil through airfoil speakers. > > mary > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
