Nic and Anne, Thanks for the additional information on reading web pages line by line and using Quick Nav. I haven't experimented with switching between DOM and Group modes yet to see the difference. Am I right in assuming that DOM is the default mode?
So I'm going to check out the difference in the two modes and practice using Quick Nav. Linda -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:22 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Additional help needed with Reading line by line Hi, Just a correction. DOM mode will actually allow you to move up and down as well if only using the arrow keys. However, I didn't suggest Group mode because I figured she was using the default settings. The solution in DOM mode is kind of flaky, though. It seems to work for the most part, including selecting lines from webpages. But that's not always doable in some instances, but sometimes it is on exactly the same webpages it was unavailable previously. I find this a strange symptom. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Linda, > > First of all, there are two ways of navigating websites: DOM and > Groups. I have set a hot key in Keyboard Commander to switch between > these modes as I prefer Groups mode in general, but DOM mode for > reading articles straight through. > > DOM mode only allows you to move left and right, but Groups mode lets > you move in all directions. Groups mode collects items together into > Groups like paragraphs. You can interact with a group to examine > what's inside more closely. It all depends on how a website is coded > as to whether you can read line by line. > > Now for Quick Nav. Turn Quick Nav on by pressing the left and right > arrows at the same time smartly. Interact with an item by pressing the > right and down arrows together. Stop interacting by pressing the down > and left arrows together. Perform the default action by pressing the > up and down arrows together. Change the rotor setting by pressing the > left and up arrows or right and up arrows together. The rotor affects > the behaviour of the up and down arrows alone. The choices are > Navigation, Words and Characters. > > I find Quick Nav extremely useful and use it frequently. > > I hope this clarifies matters for you. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Linda Adams wrote: > >> Thanks to Nic, Chantel and Anne for their comments on this question >> but I still haven't had success. My question deals with web pages >> and I have a Mac Book 10.6 >> >> When I began working on this, , like Nic says, I could advance >> through a web page with just pressing the down arrow but it would >> completely skip paragraphs when I did that. Pressing VO and down >> arrow did nothing beside sounding a beep. When I used the right or >> left arrows, it moved through the text without skipping anything but >> read a whole paragraph at a time. When I got to the beginning of a >> paragraph, I could interact with the text but I could only go word by >> word through the paragraph using VO right/left arrows. . >> >> Then, as suggested by Anne, I tried using quick nav for the first >> time and things got really strange. I understood that pressing the >> right and left arrows together will turn it on and off as a toggle. >> this has not been the case. Sometimes it toggles and sometimes it >> doesn't. Should I hold the keys or should it be a quick simultaneous >> press? At one point, it appeared to have turned on and I was, in >> fact, able to read through a paragraph a line at a time. Replicating >> this has not been easy. And after playing with the quick nav, I can >> no longer go through the web page with just the right and left arrows >> without pressing the VO keys. I guess I changed something but I don't >> know what I did. The tracking is still on. >> >> All suggestions are welcomed. >> >> Linda >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai >> Svendsen >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:53 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Read line by line >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Apple made it possible in 10.6 to read by using only the arrow keys >> on websites. However, it seems like a really flaky solution, and >> doesn't seem to work all of the time. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have not found a way to read by line when on the internet. >>> >>> Les >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to >>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, >>> send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to >> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. 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