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Hi Les,
Thanks for the tip on vo command p to find the next plain text. I looked in the 
web section of the vo help menu and didn't see it there. Just double checked 
and didn't see it. Where should I have looked to find this one?

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Re: finding the next text in Safari

Hi Matt,
I was really looking forward to auto web spots as a sort of quick and dirty way 
of having the best of group nav but still being in dom mode, if that makes any 
sense. I've found, however, that the auto web spots on the pages I've tried are 
really not helpful. Must be just the sites I visit, mostly news sites like my 
local paper or others with compilations of articles. Of course, one can set web 
spots, like place markers on the Windows side of things. That's one I never got 
in to in Windows and haven't as yet on the Mac either.

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Re: finding the next text i Safari

2010-01-05 Thread Nicolai Svendsen

Hi,

The find menu if you do VO-H H.

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> Hi Les,
> Thanks for the tip on vo command p to find the next plain text. I looked in 
> the web section of the vo help menu and didn't see it there. Just double 
> checked and didn't see it. Where should I have looked to find this one?
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Re: finding the next text i Safari

2010-01-05 Thread Les Kriegler

Hi Mary,

I saw it in the manual.  Although the keyboard help feature is nice, not all 
the keys appear to be listed.  Do you read braille?  If so, you can get a VO 
Users Manual in braille from Lighthouse International in San Francisco.  You 
likely saw this, but VO Comand_N may actually work better for what you want.  
Those who mentioned VO J will only go from link to link with that command.  I 
know exactly what you're looking for, as I use that feature all of the time 
with Jaws and Window-Eyes!  Anyway, I'll try either VO Command P or N now and 
see which works better overall.

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Re: finding the next text i Safari

Thanks, Nick. Find menu. I had seen all those commands, but just filed them 
away in some mental compartment that relates to finding text in word 
processing, not on the web. I'll definitely try this option and hope it does 
the trick.

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wild idea?

Hi folks,
When I bought my Mac mini recently, I purchased a bluetooth keyboard with it, 
because it was the best keyboard they had in the store, in terms of the over 
all feel etc. Its nice not being tied to a desk, but it would be really cool if 
it would be possible to take this keyboard into another room and control the 
Mac from there. Clearly, this would require the ability to listen to the vo 
output through a set of speakers or, better, through an existing stereo. Does 
anybody know of some sort of device that one could connect to the computer that 
will "broadcast" the output from the sound card, so to speak, perhaps a 
bluetooth or rf device whose receiver plugs into the line in on your stereo? I 
have no clue if there would be a market for such a thing, especially since 
there is Itunes with the Ipod as remote. But that doesn't let you control the 
Mac, just Itunes.

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Re: finding the next text in Safari

Hi Les,
Yes, I do read braille, and I saw that about the braille manual from the 
Lighthouse. It looked like that was referring to the Leopard manual, but 
perhaps I misunderstood. 

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Re: wild idea?

2010-01-05 Thread Chris Hofstader

Wireless headphones are available at BestBuy etc. for a pretty little money.  
Your keyboard, though, only has about 30 feet of range and I'm uncertain about 
Blue Tooth boosters.

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> Hi folks,
> When I bought my Mac mini recently, I purchased a bluetooth keyboard with it, 
> because it was the best keyboard they had in the store, in terms of the over 
> all feel etc. Its nice not being tied to a desk, but it would be really cool 
> if it would be possible to take this keyboard into another room and control 
> the Mac from there. Clearly, this would require the ability to listen to the 
> vo output through a set of speakers or, better, through an existing stereo. 
> Does anybody know of some sort of device that one could connect to the 
> computer that will "broadcast" the output from the sound card, so to speak, 
> perhaps a bluetooth or rf device whose receiver plugs into the line in on 
> your stereo? I have no clue if there would be a market for such a thing, 
> especially since there is Itunes with the Ipod as remote. But that doesn't 
> let you control the Mac, just Itunes.
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Re: finding the next text in Safari

2010-01-05 Thread Les Kriegler

Hi Mary,

Actually, it's Using VO with either Leopard or SnowLeopard.  I much prefer 
braille and refer to it often now that I have it.

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Re: wild idea?

Hi Chris,
Yes, I know about wireless headphones. I worked using headphones for 8 hours a 
day for 30 years, so I try to avoid them when possible.  It could be a 
cheap way to find out just how far the keyboard will work reliably, though. 30 
feet might do what I want.

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Re: Help! - can no longer empty my trash!

when in the folder you can try command a to select all and then hit the delete 
key.  I've done this when that error popped up.  Hope that helps.


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> Hi there.
> I've got quite many objects in my trash that i want to get rid of, amongst 
> those old time machine objects and such. The reason why i want to erase all 
> this is to start doing backups with another application namely Carbon copy 
> cloner. Problem is, when i try emptying the trash, a dialog pops up informing 
> me that the task couldn't be completed because an unexpected error occurred 
> and then an error code -8003. What's going on here and what can i do about it?
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Re: wild idea?

2010-01-05 Thread Chris Blouch

For about $300 you could go with this which starts with a 1km antenna
but you can get optional antennas for up to 30km range.

http://www.aircable.net/industrial-male.html

Of course you might have to do a little dev work to get it set up since
it's not a turnkey system.

Chris Hofstader wrote:

Wireless headphones are available at BestBuy etc. for a pretty little money.
Your keyboard, though, only has about 30 feet of range and I'm uncertain about
Blue Tooth boosters.

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Hi folks,
When I bought my Mac mini recently, I purchased a bluetooth keyboard with it, because it
was the best keyboard they had in the store, in terms of the over all feel etc. Its nice
not being tied to a desk, but it would be really cool if it would be possible to take
this keyboard into another room and control the Mac from there. Clearly, this would
require the ability to listen to the vo output through a set of speakers or, better,
through an existing stereo. Does anybody know of some sort of device that one could
connect to the computer that will "broadcast" the output from the sound card,
so to speak, perhaps a bluetooth or rf device whose receiver plugs into the line in on
your stereo? I have no clue if there would be a market for such a thing, especially since
there is Itunes with the Ipod as remote. But that doesn't let you control the Mac, just
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Re: finding the next text i Safari

2010-01-05 Thread Barry Hadder

Safari has a key stroke that's supposed to highlight all items that aren't 
links.  It is option-tab.  I've never seen it work right though.  I don't know 
if it is because of Safari, or Voiceover.

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> Hi,
> 
> You can actually find non-linked text with VO I'm sure. I bet there's a 
> command! I just can't remember what it is, because I search a lot. At least, 
> I hope there is. It's probably just showing as Find Plain Text in the Find 
> menu if you do VO-H H. I'd imagine that's the one.
> 
> Regards,
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> 
>> There is a nice feature in my Windows screen reader that lets me hit a key 
>> and move to the next text that is not a link or a form control on a web 
>> page. Its great for finding the actual start of an article on sites where 
>> you get a bunch of links between the title and the main body of the article, 
>> e.g. at www.religiondispatches.org. I know VO has a lot of good features for 
>> moving among headers, links, visited or unvisited, form controls etc. But I 
>> haven't found one that lets you move to the next nonlink text on a page. Am 
>> I missing it?> Or does it just not exist?
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Re: finding the next text i Safari

2010-01-05 Thread Nicolai Svendsen

Hi,

Keep in mind you have to turn it on, though in Safari's preferences. It's not 
the default.

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> Safari has a key stroke that's supposed to highlight all items that aren't 
> links.  It is option-tab.  I've never seen it work right though.  I don't 
> know if it is because of Safari, or Voiceover.
> 
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 1:21 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can actually find non-linked text with VO I'm sure. I bet there's a 
>> command! I just can't remember what it is, because I search a lot. At least, 
>> I hope there is. It's probably just showing as Find Plain Text in the Find 
>> menu if you do VO-H H. I'd imagine that's the one.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
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>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 4:47 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> 
>>> There is a nice feature in my Windows screen reader that lets me hit a key 
>>> and move to the next text that is not a link or a form control on a web 
>>> page. Its great for finding the actual start of an article on sites where 
>>> you get a bunch of links between the title and the main body of the 
>>> article, e.g. at www.religiondispatches.org. I know VO has a lot of good 
>>> features for moving among headers, links, visited or unvisited, form 
>>> controls etc. But I haven't found one that lets you move to the next 
>>> nonlink text on a page. Am I missing it?> Or does it just not exist?
>>> Mary
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Re: finding the next text i Safari

2010-01-05 Thread Barry Hadder

Hay, thanks.  I'll keep it in mind.  


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> Hi,
> 
> Keep in mind you have to turn it on, though in Safari's preferences. It's not 
> the default.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> 
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 8:58 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
> 
>> Safari has a key stroke that's supposed to highlight all items that aren't 
>> links.  It is option-tab.  I've never seen it work right though.  I don't 
>> know if it is because of Safari, or Voiceover.
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 1:21 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You can actually find non-linked text with VO I'm sure. I bet there's a 
>>> command! I just can't remember what it is, because I search a lot. At 
>>> least, I hope there is. It's probably just showing as Find Plain Text in 
>>> the Find menu if you do VO-H H. I'd imagine that's the one.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
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>>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 4:47 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> 
 There is a nice feature in my Windows screen reader that lets me hit a key 
 and move to the next text that is not a link or a form control on a web 
 page. Its great for finding the actual start of an article on sites where 
 you get a bunch of links between the title and the main body of the 
 article, e.g. at www.religiondispatches.org. I know VO has a lot of good 
 features for moving among headers, links, visited or unvisited, form 
 controls etc. But I haven't found one that lets you move to the next 
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Re: wild idea?

2010-01-05 Thread Scott Howell

Well you certainly could use a bluetooth headset, which would work reasonably 
well if your not to far from the source. You also could for about $100 purchase 
an AirPort Express and purchase a program such as Airfoil from Rogue Omeeba and 
stream audio to a stereo etc. wirelessly. Now it has been a while since I tried 
this, but I'm pretty certain it worked, but I haven't the express any longer 
since I sent it to a friend. There are other low-tech solutions like running a 
cable from the Mac to a receiver or whatever source you can plug into. So, 
hopefully that provides you some ideas.
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> When I bought my Mac mini recently, I purchased a bluetooth keyboard with it, 
> because it was the best keyboard they had in the store, in terms of the over 
> all feel etc. Its nice not being tied to a desk, but it would be really cool 
> if it would be possible to take this keyboard into another room and control 
> the Mac from there. Clearly, this would require the ability to listen to the 
> vo output through a set of speakers or, better, through an existing stereo. 
> Does anybody know of some sort of device that one could connect to the 
> computer that will "broadcast" the output from the sound card, so to speak, 
> perhaps a bluetooth or rf device whose receiver plugs into the line in on 
> your stereo? I have no clue if there would be a market for such a thing, 
> especially since there is Itunes with the Ipod as remote. But that doesn't 
> let you control the Mac, just Itunes.
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Re: Problem with Authentication

2010-01-05 Thread Chris Blouch

This is correct. You can break into any mac and resent passwords simply
by booting off the installer DVD. That said, I'm not as clear on what
happens when you either have FileVault or an encrypted disk image in
use. In the end there is always a security - usability tradeoff.
Somebody would need physical access to your machine to break into it.
You mac is not a vault.

Stan wrote:

Hi James,
On 05 Dec 2009, at 6:26 PM, James & Nash wrote:,
"I think, if it is a retail copy of SL, then it can be any retail copy"
If I am reading this, as it seams, I do not know why we even bother
with "passwords" and encoding", for all we need to break in is a
"copy or retail disk", or am I missing something?

Cheers,
U2me&me2u,
Stan.

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Hi Stan,

I think, if it is a retail copy of SL, then it can be any retail copy.
On 5 Dec 2009, at 15:00, Stan wrote:

Hi James,
You wrote,

"I think you can fix this if you use your installation DVD"

I presume for security, it must be the "actual disk" you used with
the setting up of the machine, and not just any "installation disk".
Cheers,
U2me&me2u,
Stan.

On 05 Dec 2009, at 3:46 PM, James & Nash wrote:

Hi David,

You wrote:

Hello, I just installed an Imac yesterday and some how I've got
myself in a situation where my authentication name or password
seems to be invalid whenever I try to install new software.
Apparently I didn't type what I thought when first registering the
machine.
In any case how can I fix this situation?

I think you can fix this if you use your installation DVD. After
booting from the DVD and passing the Language selection screen, you
can find a Password Reset or Recovery function in the Utilities
menu.

HTH

James
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Re: wild idea?

2010-01-05 Thread Chris Hofstader

There are also wireless computer speakers.
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> Yes, I know about wireless headphones. I worked using headphones for 8 hours 
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> a cheap way to find out just how far the keyboard will work reliably, though. 
> 30 feet might do what I want.
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Re: wild idea?

2010-01-05 Thread Cara Quinn

  Hi Mary, well it looks like peeps have already suggested the bluetooth 
headset idea, but have you considered a simple FM transmitter?

  You can find very low-cost transmitters that should have no trouble 
transmitting from room to room, so you could send all your sound from your mini 
to a stereo.

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When I bought my Mac mini recently, I purchased a bluetooth keyboard with it, 
because it was the best keyboard they had in the store, in terms of the over 
all feel etc. Its nice not being tied to a desk, but it would be really cool if 
it would be possible to take this keyboard into another room and control the 
Mac from there. Clearly, this would require the ability to listen to the vo 
output through a set of speakers or, better, through an existing stereo. Does 
anybody know of some sort of device that one could connect to the computer that 
will "broadcast" the output from the sound card, so to speak, perhaps a 
bluetooth or rf device whose receiver plugs into the line in on your stereo? I 
have no clue if there would be a market for such a thing, especially since 
there is Itunes with the Ipod as remote. But that doesn't let you control the 
Mac, just Itunes.

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another facebook question - Farmville?


Hi all,

Just curious, has anyone figured out a way to play Farmville on  
Facebook?

TIA,
Donna
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Re: wild idea?

Thanks for all the ideas. I think airfoil looks interesting, although its not 
the cheapest way to go. Oddly enough, my stereo has no fm tuner, the old one I 
had having broken, and commercial programming being so devoid of meaningful 
content that I never replaced it. So I suppose the transmitter idea won't work 
I had one of those little transmitters several years ago, and it was pretty 
cool. But of course, then, there weren't bluetooth keyboards, so you couldn't 
control the source of the audio remotely.

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Save attachments from Mail messages as a service

2010-01-05 Thread VaShaun Jones

Listers does anyone know 1 How to enable a service in Mail? and 2 What pieces 
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Re: another facebook question - Farmville?

2010-01-05 Thread bmustillrose

I think in this case, the question should be more like has anyone
figgured out why you would want to play farmvill on facebook?
Sorry, couldn't resist, but to answer your actual question, a few
totally blind mac using friends haven't had that much luck with it; I
always assumed that this wasn't possible - probably for the best
really.

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> Just curious, has anyone figured out a way to play Farmville on
> Facebook?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: another facebook question - Farmville?

LOL Well, I totally get what you're saying.  When my sister-in-law  
first tried to talk me into playing, I was like "whatever for!?"  But  
I have to confess that it's kind of intriguing me now that I've been  
playing around with it.  It probably helps to have friends who are  
playing.


Anyway, I wrote to Zynga and asked them to look into it, so if there  
are any other frustrated Wanna-be FarmVille players out there, you  
might want to write them too.  I figure the more of us who ask, the  
more likely they'll do something.

Cheers,
Donna
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I think in this case, the question should be more like has anyone
figgured out why you would want to play farmvill on facebook?
Sorry, couldn't resist, but to answer your actual question, a few
totally blind mac using friends haven't had that much luck with it; I
always assumed that this wasn't possible - probably for the best
really.

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Hi all,

Just curious, has anyone figured out a way to play Farmville on
Facebook?
TIA,
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Re: another facebook question - Farmville?

2010-01-05 Thread Joel Zimba

I have not played Farmville, but I did spend quite a lot of time a month or so 
back annoying all of my friends by playing mafia wars.  

They are both Xinga games and roughly the same as far as I know.  

I was actually faster playing it on the mac bacause of the rotor and the item 
chooser.   Also, the way the live region updates worked seemed better in Safari.

Thats also where I noticed that the Trackpad commander makes me feel like a God.

Joel

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Re: Save attachments from Mail messages as a service

2010-01-05 Thread Yuma Antoine Decaux

Hi,

You can use automator to create a service or right click shortcut with a 
precision on the folder to which you wish to save the mail attachement.

THere's no need of applescript for this, although you can do it.

best

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Re: another facebook question - Farmville?

Ha!  So were you able to move people around and stuff?  In what way  
was the trackpad commander helpful?

TIA,
Donna
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I have not played Farmville, but I did spend quite a lot of time a  
month or so back annoying all of my friends by playing mafia wars.


They are both Xinga games and roughly the same as far as I know.

I was actually faster playing it on the mac bacause of the rotor and  
the item chooser.   Also, the way the live region updates worked  
seemed better in Safari.



Thats also where I noticed that the Trackpad commander makes me feel  
like a God.


Joel

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Hi all,

Just curious, has anyone figured out a way to play Farmville on  
Facebook?

TIA,
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Re: another facebook question - Farmville?

2010-01-05 Thread Tom McMahan


I haven't had much luck with it yet, nor the fish tank.

Maybe that's ok though, can use my time elsewhere perhaps earning  
money *lol.*


Can trade gifts, but the actual games, no.  So the I get a lecture  
from my sister-in-law about why I haven't done anything with my  
tank?  Hmm, well, can't access it.  "ok."  So guess she maintained it  
to some degree, which is probably ok because her's has already  
crashed once and fishies died.  Hate it when that happens.  Maybe  
they need  to allow players to have pet kitties in that game just to  
make it even more interesting, just like real life here when we had a  
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Re: another facebook question - Farmville?


Earn money? What a concept.

OOOh I like the pet kittie idea.  That'd come in handy on the farm  
too, never have been a fan of mice. *grin


Well, if you feel like it, you might drop Zynga a line.  And if you  
do, suggest the kitty. *grin*

On Jan 5, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Tom McMahan wrote:


I haven't had much luck with it yet, nor the fish tank.

Maybe that's ok though, can use my time elsewhere perhaps earning  
money *lol.*


Can trade gifts, but the actual games, no.  So the I get a lecture  
from my sister-in-law about why I haven't done anything with my  
tank?  Hmm, well, can't access it.  "ok."  So guess she maintained  
it to some degree, which is probably ok because her's has already  
crashed once and fishies died.  Hate it when that happens.  Maybe  
they need  to allow players to have pet kitties in that game just to  
make it even more interesting, just like real life here when we had  
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baying music from itunes on a mac hoto?

2010-01-05 Thread Maurice Mines

hi how can I bay som thing from the itunes store using vo or due I need som 
sited help? enay thoughts thoughts on this? 
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bying from the itunes store, using vo.

2010-01-05 Thread Maurice Mines

hi please for give my spealling on my last email can i without sited help bay 
som music from the itunes store just using vo?
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Re: another facebook question - Farmville?

2010-01-05 Thread Tom McMahan

Kitties are handy, and I don't live on a farm but we do have a mouser  
here, much as I don't necessarily want to admit it *lol.*  That cat  
walked in with my wife one day when my wife had both arms loaded with  
stuff, like she, the kitty lived here.  That was back in October of  
2003, who was right?  Guess that time the cat was.


She didn't kill any of our fish, think the local water did that, but  
she did fall into a 20 gallon fish tank when we had water setting up  
in it to settle out.  That in itself was interesting, it deffinitely  
got her atention.


Yes I know this is off topic of the list, and don't care that much at  
this point in time, but it's nice to add some humor into the various  
discussions that are going on, and as long as sarcassim is consider a  
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Re: Reading ebooks on iphone (wasRe: Audiobook Mysteries & Thrillers on sale for $6.95 in U.S. & Canadian iTunes Store)

I can tell you that the e-reader from Palm that works well for smart  phones 
and devices including the IPhone and IPod Touch is not Vo accessible.

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> 
> On Jan 4, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
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>> When browsing in the Apps store recently, I noticed that there are  
>> several apps for reading ebooks.  Just wondered if anyone has tried  
>> more than one, and can say anything about the advantages/disadvantages  
>> of any of these programs?
> I've tried Stanza, Read2Me and Kobo. Kobo is the best, Read2Me is good but 
> you can't adjust the voice speed unless you use the built-in voice, in which 
> case you can't pause and resume. This isn't too drastic as the app divides 
> books into fairly small chunks, however, these breaks frequently come in the 
> middle of a sentence. Stanza is awkward to use as you have to turn VoiceOver 
> off to turn pages, then turn it back on again.
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Re: Reading ebooks on iphone (wasRe: Audiobook Mysteries & Thrillers on sale for $6.95 in U.S. & Canadian iTunes Store)

Hmm, not surprised.  Palm doesn't seem to be paying much attention to  
accessibility.

Take care,
Donna
On Jan 5, 2010, at 8:23 PM, carlene knight wrote:

I can tell you that the e-reader from Palm that works well for  
smart  phones and devices including the IPhone and IPod Touch is not  
Vo accessible.


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Hello Donna,

On Jan 4, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:


When browsing in the Apps store recently, I noticed that there are
several apps for reading ebooks.  Just wondered if anyone has tried
more than one, and can say anything about the advantages/ 
disadvantages

of any of these programs?
I've tried Stanza, Read2Me and Kobo. Kobo is the best, Read2Me is  
good but you can't adjust the voice speed unless you use the built- 
in voice, in which case you can't pause and resume. This isn't too  
drastic as the app divides books into fairly small chunks, however,  
these breaks frequently come in the middle of a sentence. Stanza is  
awkward to use as you have to turn VoiceOver off to turn pages,  
then turn it back on again.


Cheers,

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Re: Tab key, (was keyboard focus when using the web rotor

My tab key seems to only find the links, no other elements or text on the page. 
 Maybe I can set it up so it behaves a bit differently this way.  thanks.
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> I also have my Tab key set to highlight every item on a web-age.  Off- 
> hand, I can't describe a specific instance where tab has taken me  
> somewhere that the arrow keys didn't, but it's happened on Facebook,  
> it's happened in the Itunes store, and I think other sites as well.   
> I'll try and pay more attention to specific instances when this occurs  
> so that I can describe them in a future post.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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>> You can choose the behaviour of the Tab key in Safari by going to  
>> the Advanced tab in Safari Preferences. I have Option-Tab set to  
>> highlight every item on a web page, which means that Tab alone will  
>> go to the next editable field if I have already interacted with HTML  
>> Content, or will go through all the buttons on the Bookmarks Bar  
>> followed by all editable fields.
>> 
>> If your Tab key is set to highlight every item on the page, it will  
>> go through all the links, but will miss quite a lot of text.
>> 
>> I mostly use Groups mode to navigate in Safari as I find that DOM  
>> mode sometimes jumps over certain fields. Besides, if you know a  
>> website well, it's much quicker to navigate in Groups mode.
>> 
>> If you could give me an example of a site where the Tab key takes  
>> you to a field that you can't find with the arrow keys, I might be  
>> able to work out what's going on.
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Re: Tab key, (was keyboard focus when using the web rotor

I use the item chooser a whole lot.  I also use vo/left and right arrows and 
vo/a to read text.  It works very nicely for me.  I browse links with the tab 
key if I don't have a specific thing in mind to look for with the item chooser. 
 Occasionally I use the web rodor, but not that much.

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> Thanks.  It's good to know that others are having the same experience.
> Best,
> Donna
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>> 
>> On Jan 3, 2010, at 6:05 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> 
>>> I resisted using the tab key for a while, but now prefer it in  
>>> certain situations.
>> 
>> I use a combination of the tab key, Web item rotor, and arrow keys  
>> on the Internet. In most cases, the tab key is easier for me to use  
>> when accessing websites.
>> 
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