RE: Which player is best

[Simon Fogarty]

I'd have to go with the Ipod touch 
More storage, and more features overall. But I didn't think it had a daisy
player yet?

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Subject: Re: Which player is best

On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:14 PM, carlene knight wrote:

> I'd like to know what you guys think is the vest player, the Victor Reader
Stream, PDP1 Booksense, or the IPod Touch?

What do you want to do? If you are looking for a daisy player only, I'd look
at all of them.  If you want a music player, read MP3 books, and read
Audible books, then I'd get the touch.

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Re: Which player is best

[william lomas]

if it did daisy i'd get a touch to

On 9 Dec 2009, at 08:46, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> I'd have to go with the Ipod touch
> More storage, and more features overall. But I didn't think it had a  
> daisy
> player yet?
>
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> On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:14 PM, carlene knight wrote:
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>> I'd like to know what you guys think is the vest player, the Victor  
>> Reader
> Stream, PDP1 Booksense, or the IPod Touch?
>
> What do you want to do? If you are looking for a daisy player only,  
> I'd look
> at all of them.  If you want a music player, read MP3 books, and read
> Audible books, then I'd get the touch.
>
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listen again

[william lomas]

hi why doesn't the listen again widget v3.5 play anymore when  
clickng a program

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test

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I'm trying to post to this list, but my messages don't seem to come through 
as I don't get them back as list traffic. Testing 1 2 3 . 

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Re: test

[anouk radix]

HEllo, I received your message.
Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: test

[Scott Howell]

Well your messages are reaching the list regardless of whether you are seeing 
copies of them or not. So, yep, your coming through loud and clear.
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Re: muting speech?

[Donna Goodin]

Well, this explains why I couldn't find it.  I did think I had seen  
it, but I must have imagined it.

I usually keep the track pad off, because I found that my wrists were  
moving across it as I typed, and I was accidentally making lots of  
stuff happen that I didn't want to. :)  But, maybe I'll give it  
another try.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Nope. Keyboard commander can take care of it, or if you have a  
> trackpad, a three-finger double-tap works as a mute VoiceOver  
> toggle. You can, of course, also set  commands for muting speech  
> only, or VoiceOver sounds. I'm referencing Keyboard Commander again  
> because I personally have never seen a default keystroke for this.  
> Usually, I'd imagine it should show in the Audio submenu in the  
> VoiceOver Commands menu like the others do?
>
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>> I did.  I just figured that was the only option.  FN plus F10 and F11
>> Doesn't seem to do anything.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yeah, but doesn't that mute literally everything? I thought you just
>>> wanted speech off. In my case, it mutes everything. That's what the
>>> subject says, anyway.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
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>>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:05 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>
 Actually there is. It's f ten on my MacBook pro.

 Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi,
>
> As far as I know, there is not. Suppose you could probably use
> keyboard commander for this, though, since it's listed.
>
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>> Hi all,
>>
>> Isn't there a keystroke for this?  I thought there was, but I  
>> can't
>> seem to find it.
>> Best,
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Adium

[Chris Hofstader]

Hi,

I have been using Adium for a while now (if you like, you can contact me on MSN 
at blindchrist...@live .com, I forgot my AOL name as I only used it once).  
Recently, I finally got to copying it from the Downloads folder and into 
Applications which didn't seem to make a difference.  When, however, I added it 
to the "Launch at Login" list, things started to get a bit strange.

First, it now doesn't see anyone online even when I am very certain they're 
logged in - a distressing note in that it's only worthwhile when I can send and 
receive messages.

Second, when it's running, if I go to the Dock, I cannot seem to get to its 
menu to hopefully undo its run at login to see if that may be the problem.  I 
also have Syrinx running at login and also cannot get to its menu in the Dock 
but it is functioning properly.

Anyone have any ideas as to why these are acting so badly?

cdh

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Re: Adium

[Kaare Dehard]

There was something in an older version about naughty behavior with adium, Did 
the latest update get applied? If so they may not have gotten this behavior 
under control.
On 2009-12-09, at 7:42 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have been using Adium for a while now (if you like, you can contact me on 
> MSN at blindchrist...@live .com, I forgot my AOL name as I only used it 
> once).  Recently, I finally got to copying it from the Downloads folder and 
> into Applications which didn't seem to make a difference.  When, however, I 
> added it to the "Launch at Login" list, things started to get a bit strange.
> 
> First, it now doesn't see anyone online even when I am very certain they're 
> logged in - a distressing note in that it's only worthwhile when I can send 
> and receive messages.
> 
> Second, when it's running, if I go to the Dock, I cannot seem to get to its 
> menu to hopefully undo its run at login to see if that may be the problem.  I 
> also have Syrinx running at login and also cannot get to its menu in the Dock 
> but it is functioning properly.
> 
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> 
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Menus in Dock

[Chris Hofstader]

Hi,

My wife got up and I asked to borrow her eyes for a few moments.  I had 
mentioned that Adium and Syrinx Dock menus could no longer be reached since I 
moved them into the "Run at Login" category.  I then launched Mail and I could 
no longer use its or any other running program's Dock menu.

With sighted assistance, though, I learned that the menus were actually coming 
up but that the background was going dim and the menus were popping up but VO 
couldn't or chose not to read them.

Programs and folders not already open at this point  (Safari, Applications, 
etc.) behaved normally with VO speaking their menu contents as one would expect.

Has anyone seen this problem before?  If so, how did they fix it?

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Re: Adium

[Chris Hofstader]

I'll check for updates, thanks!
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> There was something in an older version about naughty behavior with adium, 
> Did the latest update get applied? If so they may not have gotten this 
> behavior under control.
> On 2009-12-09, at 7:42 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have been using Adium for a while now (if you like, you can contact me on 
>> MSN at blindchrist...@live .com, I forgot my AOL name as I only used it 
>> once).  Recently, I finally got to copying it from the Downloads folder and 
>> into Applications which didn't seem to make a difference.  When, however, I 
>> added it to the "Launch at Login" list, things started to get a bit strange.
>> 
>> First, it now doesn't see anyone online even when I am very certain they're 
>> logged in - a distressing note in that it's only worthwhile when I can send 
>> and receive messages.
>> 
>> Second, when it's running, if I go to the Dock, I cannot seem to get to its 
>> menu to hopefully undo its run at login to see if that may be the problem.  
>> I also have Syrinx running at login and also cannot get to its menu in the 
>> Dock but it is functioning properly.
>> 
>> Anyone have any ideas as to why these are acting so badly?
>> 
>> cdh
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More on lost dock menus...

[Chris Hofstader]

Hi,

We just tried getting the Dock menus for running applications  to pop up 
without VO running and all seemed normal.  Once I restarted VO, though, the 
problem of the disappeared menus returned.

I did check for Adium version and it said I was up to date.  I'll try Syrinx 
now and see if it may be the culprit.  I don't want to do a Time Machine 
restoration quite yet.

If one cannot get to an app's menu in the Dock, how can one prevent it from 
running at login?

Has anyone else seen this peculiar behavior?

cdh


 

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Re: test

[Bob Hill]

Hi Paul,

I had this problem, and I had to make sure my google mail inbox was showing all 
messages.

I hope this will work for you.

Bob Hill

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RE: test

[Joe Plummer]

Hi, I use Google email and it is the same for me you want get a message no
matter what your setting is. What you can do is if using Outlook you can set
Outlook to give you a receipt. This way you know if your message is getting
to the group. You can also do a Bcc to yourself that way you know it is
getting through also. Just some thoughts.



Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
joeplum...@tds.net

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More on Dock Problem

[Chris Hofstader]

Hi,

We removed both Adium and Syrinx from the run at login feature, leaving nothing 
executing at start up other than VO and Finder and problem remains that I 
cannot get to the menus on the items associated with running programs on my 
dock.  

This is starting to really suck.

cdh

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Re: Menus in Dock

[Thuy]

Hi Chris. I had the same problem when I wanted to keep my textedit
alias in the dock. The only way I could get to the shortcut menu was
to do VO-shift and M and then use the arrow keys to select the
shortcut menus. Hope this helps
cheers Thuy


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> Hi,
>
> My wife got up and I asked to borrow her eyes for a few moments.  I had
> mentioned that Adium and Syrinx Dock menus could no longer be reached since
> I moved them into the "Run at Login" category.  I then launched Mail and I
> could no longer use its or any other running program's Dock menu.
>
> With sighted assistance, though, I learned that the menus were actually
> coming up but that the background was going dim and the menus were popping
> up but VO couldn't or chose not to read them.
>
> Programs and folders not already open at this point  (Safari, Applications,
> etc.) behaved normally with VO speaking their menu contents as one would
> expect.
>
> Has anyone seen this problem before?  If so, how did they fix it?
>
> cdh
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ebay and safari

[May McDonald]

Hi, has anyone had a problem recently with ebay and safari? Anytime I try and 
bring it up I get an error page from safari or safari shuts down completely. 
Any ideas on what could be happening?

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Re: ebay and safari

[william lomas]

i know and webkit crawls it irritating the hell out of me

On 9 Dec 2009, at 14:06, May McDonald wrote:

> Hi, has anyone had a problem recently with ebay and safari? Anytime  
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Re: Menus in Dock

[Chris Hofstader]

Thanks, I tried the VO+SHIFt+M and no dice  when I had Adium and Syrinx running 
at login but now, for no reason apparent to me, it works without anything other 
than VO running at login.  It just gets curiouser and curiouser as we wander 
through the looking glass.

Thanks again, you definitely saved some of my time that would have been spent 
assuming that this keystroke was also broken.

Now to see if Adium is broken or if removing it from start at login corrected 
its issues.

cdh 
On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Thuy wrote:

> Hi Chris. I had the same problem when I wanted to keep my textedit
> alias in the dock. The only way I could get to the shortcut menu was
> to do VO-shift and M and then use the arrow keys to select the
> shortcut menus. Hope this helps
> cheers Thuy
> 
> 
> On 09/12/2009, Chris Hofstader  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> My wife got up and I asked to borrow her eyes for a few moments.  I had
>> mentioned that Adium and Syrinx Dock menus could no longer be reached since
>> I moved them into the "Run at Login" category.  I then launched Mail and I
>> could no longer use its or any other running program's Dock menu.
>> 
>> With sighted assistance, though, I learned that the menus were actually
>> coming up but that the background was going dim and the menus were popping
>> up but VO couldn't or chose not to read them.
>> 
>> Programs and folders not already open at this point  (Safari, Applications,
>> etc.) behaved normally with VO speaking their menu contents as one would
>> expect.
>> 
>> Has anyone seen this problem before?  If so, how did they fix it?
>> 
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Re: ebay and safari

[erik burggraaf]

Hi  I speculated to myself that possibly ebay added some contrary flash content 
to it's home page.  For whatever reason safari does not like it, but I've also 
noticed the same thing happens when some send space ads pop up.  I've seen it 
somewhere else that escapes me just now, but there does seem to be a 
relationship between some particularly rich content sites and the new safari in 
sl not playing nice.


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On 2009-12-09, at 9:06 AM, May McDonald wrote:

> Hi, has anyone had a problem recently with ebay and safari? Anytime I try and 
> bring it up I get an error page from safari or safari shuts down completely. 
> Any ideas on what could be happening?
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Re: ebay and safari

[May McDonald]

Well, that's a major pain.
On 2009-12-09, at 6:16 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi  I speculated to myself that possibly ebay added some contrary flash 
> content to it's home page.  For whatever reason safari does not like it, but 
> I've also noticed the same thing happens when some send space ads pop up.  
> I've seen it somewhere else that escapes me just now, but there does seem to 
> be a relationship between some particularly rich content sites and the new 
> safari in sl not playing nice.
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> 
>> Hi, has anyone had a problem recently with ebay and safari? Anytime I try 
>> and bring it up I get an error page from safari or safari shuts down 
>> completely. Any ideas on what could be happening?
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Re: More on lost dock menus...

[James & Nash]

Hi Chris,

I haven't experienced the problem you describe, but you can stop programs 
from running at login by going to the Account option under System 
Preferences. I believe there is a tab called login and you can stop any 
programs from here. I am not at my Mac right now, so I cannot give you exact 
steps.

TC
James
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From: "Chris Hofstader" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:32 PM
Subject: More on lost dock menus...


> Hi,
>
> We just tried getting the Dock menus for running applications  to pop up 
> without VO running and all seemed normal.  Once I restarted VO, though, 
> the problem of the disappeared menus returned.
>
> I did check for Adium version and it said I was up to date.  I'll try 
> Syrinx now and see if it may be the culprit.  I don't want to do a Time 
> Machine restoration quite yet.
>
> If one cannot get to an app's menu in the Dock, how can one prevent it 
> from running at login?
>
> Has anyone else seen this peculiar behavior?
>
> cdh
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Re: More on Dock Problem

[James & Nash]

Have you tried pressing up arrow once you are on the item you wihs to ahve 
the menu for?
- Original Message - 
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To: ; 
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: More on Dock Problem


> Hi,
>
> We removed both Adium and Syrinx from the run at login feature, leaving 
> nothing executing at start up other than VO and Finder and problem remains 
> that I cannot get to the menus on the items associated with running 
> programs on my dock.
>
> This is starting to really suck.
>
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Re: listen again

[James & Nash]

Hey Will,

Does this only happen when listening to a particular station? Are you sure 
that it is still being actively developed or that the listen again links are 
pointing to the correct place? Is there any special reason why you want to 
use the widget? I find it just as easy to go the website of a radio station 
and play things directly from there.

Failing this, you could Google Fulid app and creat your own applications for 
specific radio stations.

TC

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Subject: listen again


> hi why doesn't the listen again widget v3.5 play anymore when
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Re: More on Dock Problem

[Chris Hofstader]

Up arrow doesn't work at all anymore if the app is running.  The VO+SHIFT+M 
does work though.  It's all too weird.
On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:48 AM, James & Nash wrote:

> Have you tried pressing up arrow once you are on the item you wihs to ahve 
> the menu for?
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chris Hofstader" 
> To: ; 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:02 PM
> Subject: More on Dock Problem
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We removed both Adium and Syrinx from the run at login feature, leaving 
>> nothing executing at start up other than VO and Finder and problem remains 
>> that I cannot get to the menus on the items associated with running 
>> programs on my dock.
>> 
>> This is starting to really suck.
>> 
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Re: More on Dock Problem

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Hi,

Sounds like an interesting issue you're having. I never have anything set to 
automatically run when I log in, but out of curiosity, I set Adium to do that. 
I encountered exactly what you're describing. I can't get to the dock menus for 
Adium at all, no matter what I do. What's interesting as well, in my case, is 
that I have to physically click the mouse when command-tabbing to windows to be 
able to. It will speak a title of something, but it won't move to it. So I 
click the mouse, it speaks it again then when I command-tab, it works fine.

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On Dec 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> We removed both Adium and Syrinx from the run at login feature, leaving 
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> that I cannot get to the menus on the items associated with running programs 
> on my dock.  
> 
> This is starting to really suck.
> 
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Re: More on Dock Problem

[Chris Hofstader]

Hi Nick, Get Adium out of your start-up at login list and you will then be able 
to use VO+SHIFT+M to get at the menus in the Dock for running programs.  Adium 
seems to have really caused trouble with keyboard activities and VO.  I have no 
clue whatsoever how to entirely restore things to the way they was.

cdh
On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Sounds like an interesting issue you're having. I never have anything set to 
> automatically run when I log in, but out of curiosity, I set Adium to do 
> that. I encountered exactly what you're describing. I can't get to the dock 
> menus for Adium at all, no matter what I do. What's interesting as well, in 
> my case, is that I have to physically click the mouse when command-tabbing to 
> windows to be able to. It will speak a title of something, but it won't move 
> to it. So I click the mouse, it speaks it again then when I command-tab, it 
> works fine.
> 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> We removed both Adium and Syrinx from the run at login feature, leaving 
>> nothing executing at start up other than VO and Finder and problem remains 
>> that I cannot get to the menus on the items associated with running programs 
>> on my dock.  
>> 
>> This is starting to really suck.
>> 
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moving quickly to top or end of message list?

[Donna Goodin]

Is there some way to do this other than scrolling down the whole  
list?  I've tried Command with all four of the arrow keys, but with no  
results.
TIA,
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Re: moving quickly to top or end of message list?

[Esther]

HI Donna,

Use VO-Home (VO-Fn-Shift-Left Arrow on a laptop) to move to the top  
and VO-End (VO-Fn-Shift-Right Arrow on a laptop) to move to the end of  
the messages list.  This works for other lists as well.

Cheers,

Esther

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Re: moving quickly to top or end of message list?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Esther,

That doesn't work either, VO-FN-Shift Up arrow takes me to the tool  
bar, down arrow takes me to the last vertical splitter.
Thanks,
Donna
On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Esther wrote:

> HI Donna,
>
> Use VO-Home (VO-Fn-Shift-Left Arrow on a laptop) to move to the top
> and VO-End (VO-Fn-Shift-Right Arrow on a laptop) to move to the end of
> the messages list.  This works for other lists as well.
>
> Cheers,
>
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>
> Donna Goodin wrote:
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>> TIA,
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Re: moving quickly to top or end of message list?

[Donna Goodin]

Oops, sorry, I meant left and right arrow, not up and down.
Donna
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> HI Donna,
>
> Use VO-Home (VO-Fn-Shift-Left Arrow on a laptop) to move to the top
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> the messages list.  This works for other lists as well.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
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>> Is there some way to do this other than scrolling down the whole
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Re: moving quickly to top or end of message list?

[Donna Goodin]

OK, I figured it out, you have to interact with the messages table  
first.  Thanks, esther.
Donna
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> HI Donna,
>
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> the messages list.  This works for other lists as well.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>> Is there some way to do this other than scrolling down the whole
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>> no
>> results.
>> TIA,
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Re: More on Dock Problem

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Yeah, it was only an experiment, so I removed it immediately. It's interesting, 
though.

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On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:

> Hi Nick, Get Adium out of your start-up at login list and you will then be 
> able to use VO+SHIFT+M to get at the menus in the Dock for running programs.  
> Adium seems to have really caused trouble with keyboard activities and VO.  I 
> have no clue whatsoever how to entirely restore things to the way they was.
> 
> cdh
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Sounds like an interesting issue you're having. I never have anything set to 
>> automatically run when I log in, but out of curiosity, I set Adium to do 
>> that. I encountered exactly what you're describing. I can't get to the dock 
>> menus for Adium at all, no matter what I do. What's interesting as well, in 
>> my case, is that I have to physically click the mouse when command-tabbing 
>> to windows to be able to. It will speak a title of something, but it won't 
>> move to it. So I click the mouse, it speaks it again then when I 
>> command-tab, it works fine.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
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>> AIM: cincinster
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>> Facebook Profile
>> My Twitter
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We removed both Adium and Syrinx from the run at login feature, leaving 
>>> nothing executing at start up other than VO and Finder and problem remains 
>>> that I cannot get to the menus on the items associated with running 
>>> programs on my dock.  
>>> 
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>>> 
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Hilighting and copying text...

[Mike]

Hi all:

I've been away from my Mac for a while, working away from home and I
have forgotten how to hilight and copy text from let's say a web page
to past in another document.
There was a string of text I needed to copy this morning and had to
switch back and forth to read each word and type it in the doc I was
working on. LOL
I'm glad to be back on the Mac though instead of usin' MicroSlop, I
mean soft. LOL

TNX:

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Re: Hilighting and copying text...

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Mike,

You can select text using Shift along with the arrow keys--right left  
to select words, up down to select lines.  Then use Command-C to copy,  
Command-V to paste.
HTH,
Donna
On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Mike wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> I've been away from my Mac for a while, working away from home and I
> have forgotten how to hilight and copy text from let's say a web page
> to past in another document.
> There was a string of text I needed to copy this morning and had to
> switch back and forth to read each word and type it in the doc I was
> working on. LOL
> I'm glad to be back on the Mac though instead of usin' MicroSlop, I
> mean soft. LOL
>
> TNX:
>
> Mike
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Re: listen again

[william lomas]

you can't now as it all using that damn iplayer which is flash based

On 9 Dec 2009, at 14:50, James & Nash wrote:

> Hey Will,
>
> Does this only happen when listening to a particular station? Are  
> you sure
> that it is still being actively developed or that the listen again  
> links are
> pointing to the correct place? Is there any special reason why you  
> want to
> use the widget? I find it just as easy to go the website of a radio  
> station
> and play things directly from there.
>
> Failing this, you could Google Fulid app and creat your own  
> applications for
> specific radio stations.
>
> TC
>
> James
> - Original Message -
> From: "william lomas" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:26 AM
> Subject: listen again
>
>
>> hi why doesn't the listen again widget v3.5 play anymore when
>> clickng a program
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Re: Which player is best

[Christina]

Does the touch play daisy or NLS or RFB&D books?  I did not think it  
would play NLS or RFB&D.  Although I realize not everyone has access  
to these services so it depends what you want to play on your device  
to decide which one will be best for you.

Christina
On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Matt Roberts wrote:

> On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:14 PM, carlene knight wrote:
>
>> I'd like to know what you guys think is the vest player, the Victor  
>> Reader Stream, PDP1 Booksense, or the IPod Touch?
>
> What do you want to do? If you are looking for a daisy player only,  
> I'd look at all of them.  If you want a music player, read MP3  
> books, and read Audible books, then I'd get the touch.
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Re: ebay and safari

[Howard Dupuis]

You want a very simple solution, a way to use eBay without having to
install something, without having to stand on your head or perform any
cyber rituals? Instead of going to ebay.com, direct Safari to:
http://hub.shop.ebay.com/
All will then be just fine. Not too terribly fancy, but it works for
me all the darn time.


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> bring it up I get an error page from safari or safari shuts down completely. 
> Any ideas on what could be happening?

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Re: ebay and safari

[william lomas]

ah works grand. now all i need to o is work out how i get the "news"  
popup menu back in safari for newspaper feeds etc

On 9 Dec 2009, at 18:22, Howard Dupuis wrote:

> You want a very simple solution, a way to use eBay without having to
> install something, without having to stand on your head or perform any
> cyber rituals? Instead of going to ebay.com, direct Safari to:
> http://hub.shop.ebay.com/
> All will then be just fine. Not too terribly fancy, but it works for
> me all the darn time.
>
>
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>> Hi, has anyone had a problem recently with ebay and safari? Anytime  
>> I try and bring it up I get an error page from safari or safari  
>> shuts down completely. Any ideas on what could be happening?
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Re: ebay and safari

[Barry Hadder]

After the latest OS10 Java vm update, I'm not having problems with ebay.  So, I 
think it's probably a java applit causing the problem.


On Dec 9, 2009, at 8:16 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi  I speculated to myself that possibly ebay added some contrary flash 
> content to it's home page.  For whatever reason safari does not like it, but 
> I've also noticed the same thing happens when some send space ads pop up.  
> I've seen it somewhere else that escapes me just now, but there does seem to 
> be a relationship between some particularly rich content sites and the new 
> safari in sl not playing nice.
> 
> 
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> 
>> Hi, has anyone had a problem recently with ebay and safari? Anytime I try 
>> and bring it up I get an error page from safari or safari shuts down 
>> completely. Any ideas on what could be happening?
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Re: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired users

[Christina]

The NFB had to push the release of their e-book reader to January  
sometime.  I personally would prefer Amazon to make their apps  
accessible.  Why can't they just make it so that it works with the TTS  
already built in to the iphone and the mac?  Then voiceover can just  
read the books to us and it wouldn't matter if a publisher turned off  
the TTS or not.  Well, I do not understand the laws so maybe this is  
illegal.  However, I've heard that the NFB e-book reader will work  
with voiceover so we can just use voiceover to read the books.  This  
is what I've heard so I do not know how true this is.  I believe the  
NFB e-book reader will have their own TTS built in as well but again,  
I'm not positive on this.

Christina
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Esther, I can't recall who posted the info, but wasn't there also  
> something the NFB was collaborating with to make books accessible as  
> well? I can't recall if this was for Kendal books, NLS books or  
> what. Does anyone know what the status of this iPhone app is as well?
>
> tnx
> On Dec 8, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Esther wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm surprised that I haven't seen any mention on this list of  
>> Amazon's
>> announcement that they will update the Kindle 2 and Kindle DX to
>> include an audible menu that will use text-to-speech and add new  
>> large
>> fonts to better support vision-impaired users, and will implement
>> these changes in 2010. This has been covered in a few places since
>> yesterday.
>>
>> Here's the press release at Amazon:
>>
>> http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1362556&highlight=
>>
>> A few links to articles reporting on this:
>> • Yahoo (basically the news release)
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Blind-and-VisionImpaired-bw-2422175966.html?x=0&.v=1
>> • Techflash (has some commentary from the NFB, student reaction, and
>> other description)
>> http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/12/kindle_to_feature_new_tools_for_blind_visually_impaired.html
>>
>> and here's some of the older (November 2009) criticism of the  
>> Kindle's
>> text-to-speech access from geek.com:
>> http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/kindle-dx-text-to-speech-access-criticized-2009/
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
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questions about NVDA

[Christina]

Hello all,

I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like  
back on a mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have  
not installed windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it  
simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos  
as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for that.  I  
have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom text  
would help but I am thinking of trying.  I understand that zoomtext  
will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I would have to  
use boot camp.

So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen  
reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and  
how robust this is.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: Which player is best

[Matt Roberts]

Daisy is not supported on the touch.

Matt Roberts

Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Christina  wrote:

> Does the touch play daisy or NLS or RFB&D books?  I did not think it
> would play NLS or RFB&D.  Although I realize not everyone has access
> to these services so it depends what you want to play on your device
> to decide which one will be best for you.
>
> Christina
> On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Matt Roberts wrote:
>
>> On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:14 PM, carlene knight wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to know what you guys think is the vest player, the Victor
>>> Reader Stream, PDP1 Booksense, or the IPod Touch?
>>
>> What do you want to do? If you are looking for a daisy player only,
>> I'd look at all of them.  If you want a music player, read MP3
>> books, and read Audible books, then I'd get the touch.
>>
>> Matt Roberts n9gmr...@gmail.com
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Re: questions about NVDA

[Ryan Mann]

NVDA is basically a free screen reader for the Windows platform.  It works with 
programs such as Internet Explorer, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel and 
somewhat with Outlook.  In case you don't know, Microsoft Excel is an 
application for doing spreadsheets and Outlook is the email program that comes 
with Microsoft Office.

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Christina wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like  
> back on a mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have  
> not installed windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it  
> simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos  
> as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for that.  I  
> have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom text  
> would help but I am thinking of trying.  I understand that zoomtext  
> will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I would have to  
> use boot camp.
> 
> So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen  
> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and  
> how robust this is.
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Re: Which player is best

[Scott Howell]

Currently the software to do so does not exist to the best of my knowledge. 
However, it is possible and could be done provided someone developed such an 
App. Thus it is possible that would be addressed by the NFB EReader, but of 
course I have no idea exactly how this will work or what it will support.
On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Christina wrote:

> Does the touch play daisy or NLS or RFB&D books?  I did not think it  
> would play NLS or RFB&D.  Although I realize not everyone has access  
> to these services so it depends what you want to play on your device  
> to decide which one will be best for you.
> 
> Christina
> On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Matt Roberts wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:14 PM, carlene knight wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to know what you guys think is the vest player, the Victor  
>>> Reader Stream, PDP1 Booksense, or the IPod Touch?
>> 
>> What do you want to do? If you are looking for a daisy player only,  
>> I'd look at all of them.  If you want a music player, read MP3  
>> books, and read Audible books, then I'd get the touch.
>> 
>> Matt Roberts n9gmr...@gmail.com
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RE: questions about NVDA

[M. Taylor]

Hello Christina,  

I have both Windows and a MacBook Pro computer.  In addition to using Jaws
in Windows 7, I am a longtime user of Zoomtext which I am also using in
Windows 7 on my Windows based computers.

You are correct in that, at present, Zoomtext 9.1 does not work in
virtualized environments thus, you will, indeed need to run Windows 7 in
Bootcamp on your Mac.

Please be aware that, unless something has changed since last I checked,
there are currently audio driver compatibility problems when running
BootCamp on the 13 inch MacBook Pro.

Mark 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: questions about NVDA

Hello all,

I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like  
back on a mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have  
not installed windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it  
simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos  
as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for that.  I  
have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom text  
would help but I am thinking of trying.  I understand that zoomtext  
will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I would have to  
use boot camp.

So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen  
reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and  
how robust this is.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: Which player is best

[carlene knight]

Thanks to all of you for your input.  It seems as though the other players 
don't have as many of the PDA type functions as the Touch.  That's too bad as 
we would have a universal way to read all kinds of formats, but I guess we 
can't have everything right?

On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Matt Roberts wrote:

> Daisy is not supported on the touch.
> 
> Matt Roberts
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> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver
> 
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Christina  wrote:
> 
>> Does the touch play daisy or NLS or RFB&D books?  I did not think it
>> would play NLS or RFB&D.  Although I realize not everyone has access
>> to these services so it depends what you want to play on your device
>> to decide which one will be best for you.
>> 
>> Christina
>> On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Matt Roberts wrote:
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:14 PM, carlene knight wrote:
>>> 
 I'd like to know what you guys think is the vest player, the Victor
 Reader Stream, PDP1 Booksense, or the IPod Touch?
>>> 
>>> What do you want to do? If you are looking for a daisy player only,
>>> I'd look at all of them.  If you want a music player, read MP3
>>> books, and read Audible books, then I'd get the touch.
>>> 
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Re: moving quickly to top or end of message list?

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I seem to have the same problem as Donna in that these keystrokes on my MacBook 
Pro behave as she describes.  Could it be having emails sorted into threads and 
collapsed?

cdh
On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi Esther,
> 
> That doesn't work either, VO-FN-Shift Up arrow takes me to the tool  
> bar, down arrow takes me to the last vertical splitter.
> Thanks,
> Donna
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Esther wrote:
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>> HI Donna,
>> 
>> Use VO-Home (VO-Fn-Shift-Left Arrow on a laptop) to move to the top
>> and VO-End (VO-Fn-Shift-Right Arrow on a laptop) to move to the end of
>> the messages list.  This works for other lists as well.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Is there some way to do this other than scrolling down the whole
>>> list?  I've tried Command with all four of the arrow keys, but with  
>>> no
>>> results.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: moving quickly to top or end of message list?

[Esther]

Hi Chris,

No, it's a question of whether you interacted with the table (VO-Shift- 
Down Arrow) before using the keystrokes to move to the top and bottom  
of the list with VO-Home or VO-End.  Without first interacting, you're  
moving to the top and bottom of the app window.  I didn't think to add  
that note about first interacting with the messages window in my reply.

Cheers,

Esther

Chris Hofstader wrote:

> I seem to have the same problem as Donna in that these keystrokes on  
> my MacBook Pro behave as she describes.  Could it be having emails  
> sorted into threads and collapsed?
>
> cdh
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>> Hi Esther,
>>
>> That doesn't work either, VO-FN-Shift Up arrow takes me to the tool
>> bar, down arrow takes me to the last vertical splitter.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Esther wrote:
>>
>>> HI Donna,
>>>
>>> Use VO-Home (VO-Fn-Shift-Left Arrow on a laptop) to move to the top
>>> and VO-End (VO-Fn-Shift-Right Arrow on a laptop) to move to the  
>>> end of
>>> the messages list.  This works for other lists as well.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Esther
>>>
>>> Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>
 Is there some way to do this other than scrolling down the whole
 list?  I've tried Command with all four of the arrow keys, but with
 no
 results.
 TIA,
 Donna

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Re: moving quickly to top or end of message list?

[Donna Goodin]

No, b/c I don't have email sorted into threads.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 9, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:

> I seem to have the same problem as Donna in that these keystrokes on  
> my MacBook Pro behave as she describes.  Could it be having emails  
> sorted into threads and collapsed?
>
> cdh
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>> Hi Esther,
>>
>> That doesn't work either, VO-FN-Shift Up arrow takes me to the tool
>> bar, down arrow takes me to the last vertical splitter.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Esther wrote:
>>
>>> HI Donna,
>>>
>>> Use VO-Home (VO-Fn-Shift-Left Arrow on a laptop) to move to the top
>>> and VO-End (VO-Fn-Shift-Right Arrow on a laptop) to move to the  
>>> end of
>>> the messages list.  This works for other lists as well.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Esther
>>>
>>> Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>
 Is there some way to do this other than scrolling down the whole
 list?  I've tried Command with all four of the arrow keys, but with
 no
 results.
 TIA,
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Re: Which player is best

[Marc Grossman]

AFB has a review at www.afb.org/aw
On 9 Dec 2009, at 10:17, Christina wrote:

> Does the touch play daisy or NLS or RFB&D books?  I did not think it  
> would play NLS or RFB&D.  Although I realize not everyone has access  
> to these services so it depends what you want to play on your device  
> to decide which one will be best for you.
> 
> Christina
> On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Matt Roberts wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:14 PM, carlene knight wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to know what you guys think is the vest player, the Victor  
>>> Reader Stream, PDP1 Booksense, or the IPod Touch?
>> 
>> What do you want to do? If you are looking for a daisy player only,  
>> I'd look at all of them.  If you want a music player, read MP3  
>> books, and read Audible books, then I'd get the touch.
>> 
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Converting Mov to Mp4

[Eleni Vamvakari]

Pretty much every time I make a video with the Mac and upload it to
youtube it cuts it off.  It used to be less frequent, but now, it
happens almost all the time.  But it doesn't happen with the videos I
created on my netbook.  So until I get said machine back, I'm looking
for either an online or a Mac-compatible converter to turn my mov
files into mp4 or something that's more compatible with youtube.  If
you know of nothing like this, then what other software can I use
besides Photo Booth?  Help would be sincerely appreciate.

Thanks,
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Re: test

[carlene knight]

Hi:

I don't see my messages either but when somebody response to something that 
I've sent I can be relatively sure that my message made it.  Quite often if you 
look in a thread if it's continuous, you can see your post in that thread.  I 
think that my sent messages end up in the trash rather than in my in-box.
On Dec 9, 2009, at 5:41 AM, Bob Hill wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> I had this problem, and I had to make sure my google mail inbox was showing 
> all messages.
> 
> I hope this will work for you.
> 
> Bob Hill
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> On Dec 9, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:
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>> I'm trying to post to this list, but my messages don't seem to come through 
>> as I don't get them back as list traffic. Testing 1 2 3 . 
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Re: listen again

[carlene knight]

You might also  want to see if those stations are available on ITunes.  I use 
the ITunes radio on a regular basis.

On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:34 AM, william lomas wrote:

> you can't now as it all using that damn iplayer which is flash based
> 
> On 9 Dec 2009, at 14:50, James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> Hey Will,
>> 
>> Does this only happen when listening to a particular station? Are  
>> you sure
>> that it is still being actively developed or that the listen again  
>> links are
>> pointing to the correct place? Is there any special reason why you  
>> want to
>> use the widget? I find it just as easy to go the website of a radio  
>> station
>> and play things directly from there.
>> 
>> Failing this, you could Google Fulid app and creat your own  
>> applications for
>> specific radio stations.
>> 
>> TC
>> 
>> James
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "william lomas" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:26 AM
>> Subject: listen again
>> 
>> 
>>> hi why doesn't the listen again widget v3.5 play anymore when
>>> clickng a program
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jaws on mac

[John W. Carty]

I'm purchasing a new mac in a couple of days and I need to run windows for a 
couple of work related apps.

I saw emails on this list a couple of weeks ago discussing a problem with the 
jaws key on a mac.

Using the laptop keyboard layout in jaws the caps lock becomes the jaws key.

Why would this be a problem, I don't understand?

Are there any other known issues for me to consider?

Thanx,

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RE: questions about NVDA

[Joe Plummer]

Hi, might want to use satogo on the Windows side also. As far as a
magnifying solution you might want to try magic from Freedom Scientific you
can use it and use it in conjunction with Jaws. Both of these can be ran in
a Demo mode that will let you use it for ever in a 40 minute mode. Just some
thoughts.



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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
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Subject: Re: questions about NVDA

NVDA is basically a free screen reader for the Windows platform.  It works
with programs such as Internet Explorer, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel and
somewhat with Outlook.  In case you don't know, Microsoft Excel is an
application for doing spreadsheets and Outlook is the email program that
comes with Microsoft Office.

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Christina wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like  
> back on a mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have  
> not installed windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it  
> simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos  
> as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for that.  I  
> have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom text  
> would help but I am thinking of trying.  I understand that zoomtext  
> will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I would have to  
> use boot camp.
> 
> So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen  
> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and  
> how robust this is.
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Re: jaws on mac

[Richie Gardenhire]

In my experience with Jaws on a virtual Windows machine on a Mac I  
had, I found Jaws to be somewhat sluggish and stuttery.  So I used a  
copy of Supernova that I had for Windows XP; it worked so much better  
than Jaws.  I don't know if they fixed any glitches in Jaws since Jaws  
9, (the release I hadf with Windows XP at the time of installation) so  
it may work for you in your virtual machine.  In Gordon Smith's  
demonstration in 2007, he had Window-Eyes which worked very well.  the  
latest edition of WE I had was 4.5.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage,  
Alaska.


On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:19 AM, John W. Carty wrote:

I'm purchasing a new mac in a couple of days and I need to run windows  
for a couple of work related apps.

I saw emails on this list a couple of weeks ago discussing a problem  
with the jaws key on a mac.

Using the laptop keyboard layout in jaws the caps lock becomes the  
jaws key.

Why would this be a problem, I don’t understand?

Are there any other known issues for me to consider?

Thanx,

John Carty





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Re: Converting Mov to Mp4

[Jake]

Hi
MP4 is a container format, not a vieo format. Mov and MP4 are actually
identical, they're the same file format though they often contain
different codecs. If your videos are being cut off when you create
them with quicktime and not when you do so on the netbook, check your
export settings on each to see what codec you are actually using when
you're creating them and the settings involved. Whether the file is
mov or mp4 is of no consequence since they're the same file type just
with a different extension. For video conversion I suggest HandBrake:
http://www.handbrake.fr/
It can open almost any type of video and convert it to MP4 either with
the MP4 codec or the H.264 codec.
FYI: .mov, .mp4, and .3gp are all mp4 containers.

Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
> Pretty much every time I make a video with the Mac and upload it to
> youtube it cuts it off.  It used to be less frequent, but now, it
> happens almost all the time.  But it doesn't happen with the videos I
> created on my netbook.  So until I get said machine back, I'm looking
> for either an online or a Mac-compatible converter to turn my mov
> files into mp4 or something that's more compatible with youtube.  If
> you know of nothing like this, then what other software can I use
> besides Photo Booth?  Help would be sincerely appreciate.
>
> Thanks,
> Eleni

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Re: jaws on mac

[Esther]

Hi John,

The issue of the JAWS insert key on the Mac only arises if you are  
trying to use JAWS with Windows in a virtual environment (Fusion)  
where it coexists with the Mac OS X and where you are using a keyboard  
without a numeric keypad.  It does not arise if you are using BootCamp  
(basically, installing Windows on a separate partition on your Mac and  
separately shutting down the Mac side and booting up into Windows  
every time you want to use a Windows application.)  It also does not  
arise if you are using a full sized keyboard with a numeric keypad.  
Therefore, this issue usually arises for people who are trying to run  
both Windows and Mac OS X under VMware's Fusion on a laptop.  It may  
also arise if you want to run both Windows and Mac OS X under Fusion 3  
and you buy an iMac without choosing the option for a full-size  
keyboard, since with the latest model iMacs Apple has made the smaller  
keyboard without numeric keypad the default attachment -- this is what  
you will get if you buy the iMac in a retail Apple Store or in another  
computer store "out of the box".  However, if you order your iMac  
online, you can configure the machine to have a full-size keyboard  
(with numeric keypad).

In the case where someone is running their Mac with Windows available  
at the same time through VMware Fusion  on a laptop or a desktop Mac  
used with a keyboard that does not have a numeric keypad, the usual  
solution to allow using JAWS is to get a free Windows program called  
SharpKeys from RandyRants:
http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html
This program will allow you to remap your insert key on the Windows  
side to another key (e.g. the right option key, or other key of your  
choice) and save the results to your registry file.

I should add, I do not use JAWS or Windows on my Mac, so you're likely  
to get more detailed answers from other users.  However, these  
questions have come up very frequently on the list.  Once again, if  
you're getting a laptop, the insert key is not an issue if you're not  
trying to share the Mac and Windows operating systems at the same  
time.   And if you're getting a desktop machine, it's not an issue  
provided you're using a full-size keyboard with numeric keypad even if  
you do plan to run both Mac OS X and Windows under VMware Fusion.   
Otherwise,  you can remap the Insert key for JAWS to a different key.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther


John W. Carty wrote:

> I'm purchasing a new mac in a couple of days and I need to run  
> windows for a couple of work related apps.
>
> I saw emails on this list a couple of weeks ago discussing a problem  
> with the jaws key on a mac.
>
> Using the laptop keyboard layout in jaws the caps lock becomes the  
> jaws key.
>
> Why would this be a problem, I don’t understand?
>
> Are there any other known issues for me to consider?
>
> Thanx,
>
> John Carty
>
>
>
>
>
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help google docs

[David Geiger]

hey guys question about google docs  i cant seem to get voice over  to
access some of google docs   the most important part  create new
button  i was in class  today the outhers  got it to work with jaws  i
figure  i am doing something wrong  help help

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RE: jaws on mac

[John W. Carty]

Esther,
Why wouldn't using the laptop layout for jaws that uses the caps lock key as 
the jaws key work on a laptop mac?

Also, why would you need additional software for remapping the keyboard if you 
decide this approach vs a jaws script?

Thanx,

John

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: jaws on mac

Hi John,

The issue of the JAWS insert key on the Mac only arises if you are trying to 
use JAWS with Windows in a virtual environment (Fusion) where it coexists with 
the Mac OS X and where you are using a keyboard without a numeric keypad.  It 
does not arise if you are using BootCamp (basically, installing Windows on a 
separate partition on your Mac and separately shutting down the Mac side and 
booting up into Windows every time you want to use a Windows application.)  It 
also does not arise if you are using a full sized keyboard with a numeric 
keypad. Therefore, this issue usually arises for people who are trying to run 
both Windows and Mac OS X under VMware's Fusion on a laptop.  It may also arise 
if you want to run both Windows and Mac OS X under Fusion 3 and you buy an iMac 
without choosing the option for a full-size keyboard, since with the latest 
model iMacs Apple has made the smaller keyboard without numeric keypad the 
default attachment -- this is what you will get if you buy the iMac in a retail 
Apple Store or in another computer store "out of the box".  However, if you 
order your iMac online, you can configure the machine to have a full-size 
keyboard (with numeric keypad).

In the case where someone is running their Mac with Windows available at the 
same time through VMware Fusion  on a laptop or a desktop Mac used with a 
keyboard that does not have a numeric keypad, the usual solution to allow using 
JAWS is to get a free Windows program called SharpKeys from RandyRants:
http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html
This program will allow you to remap your insert key on the Windows side to 
another key (e.g. the right option key, or other key of your choice) and save 
the results to your registry file.

I should add, I do not use JAWS or Windows on my Mac, so you're likely to get 
more detailed answers from other users.  However, these questions have come up 
very frequently on the list.  Once again, if you're getting a laptop, the 
insert key is not an issue if you're not trying to share the Mac and Windows 
operating systems at the same time.   And if you're getting a desktop machine, 
it's not an issue provided you're using a full-size keyboard with numeric 
keypad even if you do plan to run both Mac OS X and Windows under VMware 
Fusion.  Otherwise,  you can remap the Insert key for JAWS to a different key.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther


John W. Carty wrote:


I'm purchasing a new mac in a couple of days and I need to run windows for a 
couple of work related apps.

I saw emails on this list a couple of weeks ago discussing a problem with the 
jaws key on a mac.

Using the laptop keyboard layout in jaws the caps lock becomes the jaws key.

Why would this be a problem, I don't understand?

Are there any other known issues for me to consider?

Thanx,

John Carty






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Re: jaws on mac

[Esther]

Hi John,

I should probably keep out of this discussion and let experts who use  
this configuration (JAWS with Windows in VMware fusion on a laptop)  
answer.  You may be able to us a laptop configuration.  However, the  
basic problem (and difference) of a virtual machine environment is  
that you have two different operating systems with separate key  
definitions running at the same time.  Many JAWS users who first tried  
to use Fusion attempted to map keys to exactly the same keyboard  
locations as they were used to using, for example by swapping the  
placement of the Control and Alt/Option keys.  As a result, command  
sequence like Alt-Tab under Windows to cycle between windows got  
interpreted as the Mac's Command-Tab sequence for cycling between  
applications, thus throwing you out of Fusion.  You can configure  
Fusion to pass control on for some key sequences, but you'll have to  
read up on that.

Best,

Esther

John W. Carty wrote:

> Esther,
> Why wouldn’t using the laptop layout for jaws that uses the caps  
> lock key as the jaws key work on a laptop mac?
>
> Also, why would you need additional software for remapping the  
> keyboard if you decide this approach vs a jaws script?
>
> Thanx,
>
> John
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: jaws on mac
>
> Hi John,
>
> The issue of the JAWS insert key on the Mac only arises if you are  
> trying to use JAWS with Windows in a virtual environment (Fusion)  
> where it coexists with the Mac OS X and where you are using a  
> keyboard without a numeric keypad.  It does not arise if you are  
> using BootCamp (basically, installing Windows on a separate  
> partition on your Mac and separately shutting down the Mac side and  
> booting up into Windows every time you want to use a Windows  
> application.)  It also does not arise if you are using a full sized  
> keyboard with a numeric keypad. Therefore, this issue usually arises  
> for people who are trying to run both Windows and Mac OS X under  
> VMware's Fusion on a laptop.  It may also arise if you want to run  
> both Windows and Mac OS X under Fusion 3 and you buy an iMac without  
> choosing the option for a full-size keyboard, since with the latest  
> model iMacs Apple has made the smaller keyboard without numeric  
> keypad the default attachment -- this is what you will get if you  
> buy the iMac in a retail Apple Store or in another computer store  
> "out of the box".  However, if you order your iMac online, you can  
> configure the machine to have a full-size keyboard (with numeric  
> keypad).
>
> In the case where someone is running their Mac with Windows  
> available at the same time through VMware Fusion  on a laptop or a  
> desktop Mac used with a keyboard that does not have a numeric  
> keypad, the usual solution to allow using JAWS is to get a free  
> Windows program called SharpKeys from RandyRants:
> http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html
> This program will allow you to remap your insert key on the Windows  
> side to another key (e.g. the right option key, or other key of your  
> choice) and save the results to your registry file.
>
> I should add, I do not use JAWS or Windows on my Mac, so you're  
> likely to get more detailed answers from other users.  However,  
> these questions have come up very frequently on the list.  Once  
> again, if you're getting a laptop, the insert key is not an issue if  
> you're not trying to share the Mac and Windows operating systems at  
> the same time.   And if you're getting a desktop machine, it's not  
> an issue provided you're using a full-size keyboard with numeric  
> keypad even if you do plan to run both Mac OS X and Windows under  
> VMware Fusion.  Otherwise,  you can remap the Insert key for JAWS to  
> a different key.
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
>
> John W. Carty wrote:
>
>
> I'm purchasing a new mac in a couple of days and I need to run  
> windows for a couple of work related apps.
>
> I saw emails on this list a couple of weeks ago discussing a problem  
> with the jaws key on a mac.
>
> Using the laptop keyboard layout in jaws the caps lock becomes the  
> jaws key.
>
> Why would this be a problem, I don’t understand?
>
> Are there any other known issues for me to consider?
>
> Thanx,
>
> John Carty
>
>
>
>
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Re: file maker pro

[Jonathan Cohn]

I was incorrect on the name of the database I was thinking of.  The  
relational database is: Panorama,.

There is a 45 day trial period if you want to try it out.

Jon

On Dec 4, 2009, at 5:08 PM, John W. Carty wrote:

> This is the simple response I received from apple concerning file  
> maker pro and voiceover.
>
> I believe a fully accessible database application for the screen  
> reader user community to be a signifigant problem far over due.
>
> Ms access is a terrible application and screen reader support is far  
> from where it should be.
>
> From: Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:07 PM
> To: John W. Carty
> Subject: Re: file maker pro
>
> Hi John:
>
> Unfortunately, FileMaker pro is not compatible with VoiceOver.
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:14 PM, John W. Carty wrote:
>
>
> Does file maker pro support the cocoa api making it accessible using  
> voiceover?
>
> Thanx,
>
> John Carty
>
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nifty trick for jumping to top or bottom of message list in mail

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Just wanted to share a tip I just got from Accessibility.  I had  
written them seeking an alternate option to move to top and bottom of  
message lists, as I find the million-key combination for home on a  
Macbook to be difficult enough to be most annoying.  The suggested the  
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second.  this works fabulously, and i didn't know about it, so thought  
I'd pass it along in case anyone else found it useful.
Best,
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Re: nifty trick for jumping to top or bottom of message list in mail

[Esther]

Good one, Donna!  Thanks for sharing option+up or down arrow (held for  
a bit)..

Esther

Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to share a tip I just got from Accessibility.  I had
> written them seeking an alternate option to move to top and bottom of
> message lists, as I find the million-key combination for home on a
> Macbook to be difficult enough to be most annoying.  The suggested the
> following alternative, Option plus up/down arrow, held down for just a
> second.  this works fabulously, and i didn't know about it, so thought
> I'd pass it along in case anyone else found it useful.
> Best,
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Re: nifty trick for jumping to top or bottom of message list in mail

[Peggy Fleischer]

cool! it works! thanks!

Peggy Fleischer
peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net

Jude 1:24  Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present 
you 
faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
1:25  To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion 
and power, Both now and forever. Amen.


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> Hi all,
> 
> Just wanted to share a tip I just got from Accessibility.  I had  
> written them seeking an alternate option to move to top and bottom of  
> message lists, as I find the million-key combination for home on a  
> Macbook to be difficult enough to be most annoying.  The suggested the  
> following alternative, Option plus up/down arrow, held down for just a  
> second.  this works fabulously, and i didn't know about it, so thought  
> I'd pass it along in case anyone else found it useful.
> Best,
> Donna
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Re: nifty trick for jumping to top or bottom of message list in mail

[Donna Goodin]

Isn't it cool! Glad not to have to mess with Vo-home anymore!
Donna
On Dec 9, 2009, at 5:39 PM, Esther wrote:

> Good one, Donna!  Thanks for sharing option+up or down arrow (held for
> a bit)..
>
> Esther
>
> Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just wanted to share a tip I just got from Accessibility.  I had
>> written them seeking an alternate option to move to top and bottom of
>> message lists, as I find the million-key combination for home on a
>> Macbook to be difficult enough to be most annoying.  The suggested  
>> the
>> following alternative, Option plus up/down arrow, held down for  
>> just a
>> second.  this works fabulously, and i didn't know about it, so  
>> thought
>> I'd pass it along in case anyone else found it useful.
>> Best,
>> Donna
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Re: nifty trick for jumping to top or bottom of message list in mail

[Donna Goodin]

You're welcome.  Glad it was helpful.
Donna
On Dec 9, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:

> cool! it works! thanks!
>
>   Peggy Fleischer
> peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net
>
> Jude 1:24  Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to  
> present you
> faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
> 1:25  To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty,  
> Dominion
> and power, Both now and forever. Amen.
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just wanted to share a tip I just got from Accessibility.  I had
>> written them seeking an alternate option to move to top and bottom of
>> message lists, as I find the million-key combination for home on a
>> Macbook to be difficult enough to be most annoying.  The suggested  
>> the
>> following alternative, Option plus up/down arrow, held down for  
>> just a
>> second.  this works fabulously, and i didn't know about it, so  
>> thought
>> I'd pass it along in case anyone else found it useful.
>> Best,
>> Donna
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Re: ebay and safari

[May McDonald]

Hey this worked for me too, thanks.
On 2009-12-09, at 10:22 AM, Howard Dupuis wrote:

> You want a very simple solution, a way to use eBay without having to
> install something, without having to stand on your head or perform any
> cyber rituals? Instead of going to ebay.com, direct Safari to:
> http://hub.shop.ebay.com/
> All will then be just fine. Not too terribly fancy, but it works for
> me all the darn time.
> 
> 
> On Dec 9, 9:06 am, May McDonald  wrote:
>> Hi, has anyone had a problem recently with ebay and safari? Anytime I try 
>> and bring it up I get an error page from safari or safari shuts down 
>> completely. Any ideas on what could be happening?
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Microphone

[Marc Grossman]

I have a headphone/microphone combination headset with two male jacks.  One is 
for the headphone and one is for the microphone.  On the back of my Mac Mini, I 
can only feel two female jacks and they are located right next to each other.  

When I plug in the headphone jack, I can hear the audio with no problems.

When I launch Skype and connect to another user, I can hear that person talking 
to me but the microphone does not appear to work and the person cannot hear me. 
 I tried a second headset with similar results.

Is there anything in Skype or the Mac system preferences that I need to adjust 
in order to use this microphone?

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-- RE: jaws on mac

[David McLean]

The problem with using caps lock as insert is that Vmware is only another 
application to the mac so hitting caps lock will set the caps lock on as far as 
your mac is concerned.
You are still sharing all the keyboard so any key combination you hit in 
Windows still acts as a potential mac key combination.
With bootcamp of course you are using a completely separate operating system so 
no keyboard sharing is occurring.
On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:13 PM, John W. Carty wrote:

> Esther,
> Why wouldn’t using the laptop layout for jaws that uses the caps lock key as 
> the jaws key work on a laptop mac?
>  
> Also, why would you need additional software for remapping the keyboard if 
> you decide this approach vs a jaws script?
>  
> Thanx,
>  
> John
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: jaws on mac
>  
> Hi John,
>  
> The issue of the JAWS insert key on the Mac only arises if you are trying to 
> use JAWS with Windows in a virtual environment (Fusion) where it coexists 
> with the Mac OS X and where you are using a keyboard without a numeric 
> keypad.  It does not arise if you are using BootCamp (basically, installing 
> Windows on a separate partition on your Mac and separately shutting down the 
> Mac side and booting up into Windows every time you want to use a Windows 
> application.)  It also does not arise if you are using a full sized keyboard 
> with a numeric keypad. Therefore, this issue usually arises for people who 
> are trying to run both Windows and Mac OS X under VMware's Fusion on a 
> laptop.  It may also arise if you want to run both Windows and Mac OS X under 
> Fusion 3 and you buy an iMac without choosing the option for a full-size 
> keyboard, since with the latest model iMacs Apple has made the smaller 
> keyboard without numeric keypad the default attachment -- this is what you 
> will get if you buy the iMac in a retail Apple Store or in another computer 
> store "out of the box".  However, if you order your iMac online, you can 
> configure the machine to have a full-size keyboard (with numeric keypad).
>  
> In the case where someone is running their Mac with Windows available at the 
> same time through VMware Fusion  on a laptop or a desktop Mac used with a 
> keyboard that does not have a numeric keypad, the usual solution to allow 
> using JAWS is to get a free Windows program called SharpKeys from RandyRants:
> http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html
> This program will allow you to remap your insert key on the Windows side to 
> another key (e.g. the right option key, or other key of your choice) and save 
> the results to your registry file.
>  
> I should add, I do not use JAWS or Windows on my Mac, so you're likely to get 
> more detailed answers from other users.  However, these questions have come 
> up very frequently on the list.  Once again, if you're getting a laptop, the 
> insert key is not an issue if you're not trying to share the Mac and Windows 
> operating systems at the same time.   And if you're getting a desktop 
> machine, it's not an issue provided you're using a full-size keyboard with 
> numeric keypad even if you do plan to run both Mac OS X and Windows under 
> VMware Fusion.  Otherwise,  you can remap the Insert key for JAWS to a 
> different key.
>  
> HTH
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Esther
>  
>  
> John W. Carty wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm purchasing a new mac in a couple of days and I need to run windows for a 
> couple of work related apps.
>  
> I saw emails on this list a couple of weeks ago discussing a problem with the 
> jaws key on a mac.
>  
> Using the laptop keyboard layout in jaws the caps lock becomes the jaws key.
>  
> Why would this be a problem, I don’t understand?
>  
> Are there any other known issues for me to consider?
>  
> Thanx,
>  
> John Carty
>  
>  
>  
>  
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a quick way to scroll through messages

[carlene knight]

  I just found out that you can use the option up arrow command that Donna 
posted for getting to the beginning and end of documents as well.  Let me tell 
you, that will save me a lot of time.

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Re: a quick way to scroll through messages

[Esther]

Hi Carleen,

carlene knight wrote:

>  I just found out that you can use the option up arrow command that  
> Donna posted for getting to the beginning and end of documents as  
> well.  Let me tell you, that will save me a lot of time.
>
You can move to the beginning and end of documents with Command-Up  
Arrow and Command-Down Arrow. You can also select from your present  
location to the beginning or end of documents by holding down the  
Shift key with those commands (e.g.  Command-Shift-Up Arrow selects to  
the beginning of a document and Command-Shift-Down Arrow selects to  
the end of a document).  In documents, Option up arrow and Option down  
arrow move to the beginning and end of paragaphs.

Here's a list from the archives of a longer list of some of these  
movement and selection command combinations.  They're part of Mac OS X  
(not specific to VoiceOver), and work with all Cocoa based apps --  
such as TextEdit, Mail etc.:

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02038.html
(Moving and Selecting in Cocoa Apps)

I didn't know about Option-Up arrow working in the messages table --  
you have to keep holding down the keys for a bit to get that to work.

Cheers,

Esther

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Re: a quick way to scroll through messages

[carlene knight]

Hi;

I meant command, not option.  sorry.  I've had a bad computer day.  :)
On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Carleen,
> 
> carlene knight wrote:
> 
>> I just found out that you can use the option up arrow command that  
>> Donna posted for getting to the beginning and end of documents as  
>> well.  Let me tell you, that will save me a lot of time.
>> 
> You can move to the beginning and end of documents with Command-Up  
> Arrow and Command-Down Arrow. You can also select from your present  
> location to the beginning or end of documents by holding down the  
> Shift key with those commands (e.g.  Command-Shift-Up Arrow selects to  
> the beginning of a document and Command-Shift-Down Arrow selects to  
> the end of a document).  In documents, Option up arrow and Option down  
> arrow move to the beginning and end of paragaphs.
> 
> Here's a list from the archives of a longer list of some of these  
> movement and selection command combinations.  They're part of Mac OS X  
> (not specific to VoiceOver), and work with all Cocoa based apps --  
> such as TextEdit, Mail etc.:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02038.html
> (Moving and Selecting in Cocoa Apps)
> 
> I didn't know about Option-Up arrow working in the messages table --  
> you have to keep holding down the keys for a bit to get that to work.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
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Re: a quick way to scroll through messages

[carlene knight]

I told you guys I was having a bad computer day.  Esther, I forgot to 
thank you for the info.  What would I do without you guys and your infinite 
patience.


On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Carleen,
> 
> carlene knight wrote:
> 
>> I just found out that you can use the option up arrow command that  
>> Donna posted for getting to the beginning and end of documents as  
>> well.  Let me tell you, that will save me a lot of time.
>> 
> You can move to the beginning and end of documents with Command-Up  
> Arrow and Command-Down Arrow. You can also select from your present  
> location to the beginning or end of documents by holding down the  
> Shift key with those commands (e.g.  Command-Shift-Up Arrow selects to  
> the beginning of a document and Command-Shift-Down Arrow selects to  
> the end of a document).  In documents, Option up arrow and Option down  
> arrow move to the beginning and end of paragaphs.
> 
> Here's a list from the archives of a longer list of some of these  
> movement and selection command combinations.  They're part of Mac OS X  
> (not specific to VoiceOver), and work with all Cocoa based apps --  
> such as TextEdit, Mail etc.:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02038.html
> (Moving and Selecting in Cocoa Apps)
> 
> I didn't know about Option-Up arrow working in the messages table --  
> you have to keep holding down the keys for a bit to get that to work.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
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Re: questions about NVDA

[erik burggraaf]

Hello,

NVDA is a free open source screen reader.  It is a competater of jaws or 
window-eyes.  It offers braille support, dll and sapi software synthesizer 
support, msaa support, scripting capability, and very good to excellent support 
for open source aplications like firefox, thunderbird, and open office.  It 
doesn't do all that well with microsoft applications, but it will give you the 
basics.  It can't simulate the mouse pointer the way jaws and window-eyes can, 
but it does have a feature called object navigation that will let you get to 
non tabbed objects in a limited way.  It comes with espeak synthesizer, which 
is fast and stable.  It isn't anything like human sounding speech though.  If 
you care about it sounding like a person, you're gonna hate it.  I am a bit old 
though and I fondly remember my accent sa.  None of the modern natural sounding 
voices comes close to soundind as good as that thing in my book.

NVDA is not for high profile job aplications yet, but the development has been 
steady and they've got a really viable product for common computer tasks.  Many 
of my clients could use it very happily and never miss jaws.

Best,

erik burggraaf
A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
Phone: 888-255-5194
Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com

On 2009-12-09, at 1:53 PM, Christina wrote:

> 
> So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen  
> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and  
> how robust this is.
> 

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Re: questions about NVDA

[carlene knight]

Hi:

Though I like Voiceover and the OSX format, I do wish there was a secondary 
program like NVDa as it can read some web pages that neither JAWS nor Voiceover 
can.  One in particular is a lot of the link labels  at www.eddietrunk.com.

On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:38 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> NVDA is a free open source screen reader.  It is a competater of jaws or 
> window-eyes.  It offers braille support, dll and sapi software synthesizer 
> support, msaa support, scripting capability, and very good to excellent 
> support for open source aplications like firefox, thunderbird, and open 
> office.  It doesn't do all that well with microsoft applications, but it will 
> give you the basics.  It can't simulate the mouse pointer the way jaws and 
> window-eyes can, but it does have a feature called object navigation that 
> will let you get to non tabbed objects in a limited way.  It comes with 
> espeak synthesizer, which is fast and stable.  It isn't anything like human 
> sounding speech though.  If you care about it sounding like a person, you're 
> gonna hate it.  I am a bit old though and I fondly remember my accent sa.  
> None of the modern natural sounding voices comes close to soundind as good as 
> that thing in my book.
> 
> NVDA is not for high profile job aplications yet, but the development has 
> been steady and they've got a really viable product for common computer 
> tasks.  Many of my clients could use it very happily and never miss jaws.
> 
> Best,
> 
> erik burggraaf
> A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
> Phone: 888-255-5194
> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2009-12-09, at 1:53 PM, Christina wrote:
> 
>> 
>> So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen  
>> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and  
>> how robust this is.
>> 
> 
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Re: questions about NVDA

[Rich Ring]

Would you please turn off your receipt function?  It is quite annoying.

- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Plummer" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: questions about NVDA


Hi, might want to use satogo on the Windows side also. As far as a
magnifying solution you might want to try magic from Freedom Scientific you
can use it and use it in conjunction with Jaws. Both of these can be ran in
a Demo mode that will let you use it for ever in a 40 minute mode. Just some
thoughts.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: questions about NVDA

NVDA is basically a free screen reader for the Windows platform.  It works
with programs such as Internet Explorer, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel and
somewhat with Outlook.  In case you don't know, Microsoft Excel is an
application for doing spreadsheets and Outlook is the email program that
comes with Microsoft Office.

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Christina wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like
> back on a mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have
> not installed windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it
> simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos
> as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for that.  I
> have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom text
> would help but I am thinking of trying.  I understand that zoomtext
> will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I would have to
> use boot camp.
>
> So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen
> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and
> how robust this is.
>
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Re: questions about NVDA

[Ryan Mann]

You say that NVDA works with Open Office.  How well does it work?  For some 
reason, I thought it wasn't going to be usable until Sun switched over to 
Iaccessible 2.
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> NVDA is a free open source screen reader.  It is a competater of jaws or 
> window-eyes.  It offers braille support, dll and sapi software synthesizer 
> support, msaa support, scripting capability, and very good to excellent 
> support for open source aplications like firefox, thunderbird, and open 
> office.  It doesn't do all that well with microsoft applications, but it will 
> give you the basics.  It can't simulate the mouse pointer the way jaws and 
> window-eyes can, but it does have a feature called object navigation that 
> will let you get to non tabbed objects in a limited way.  It comes with 
> espeak synthesizer, which is fast and stable.  It isn't anything like human 
> sounding speech though.  If you care about it sounding like a person, you're 
> gonna hate it.  I am a bit old though and I fondly remember my accent sa.  
> None of the modern natural sounding voices comes close to soundind as good as 
> that thing in my book.
> 
> NVDA is not for high profile job aplications yet, but the development has 
> been steady and they've got a really viable product for common computer 
> tasks.  Many of my clients could use it very happily and never miss jaws.
> 
> Best,
> 
> erik burggraaf
> A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
> Phone: 888-255-5194
> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2009-12-09, at 1:53 PM, Christina wrote:
> 
>> 
>> So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen  
>> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and  
>> how robust this is.
>> 
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Re: nifty trick for jumping to top or bottom of message list in mail

[Israel]

Thank you for this Donna!  I've gotten into the habit of remembering the 
sender's name or subject of a specific email near the bottom of a long list of 
emails so I just type a few letters and VO takes me there.  A tip I picked up 
from I believe it was Cara Quinn and the www.lioncourt.com Tips section.  Your 
option + arrow keys is much quicker.  :) At least to get me to the bottom 
immediately.

Israel Antonio
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www.sexyisra.blogspot.com



On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Just wanted to share a tip I just got from Accessibility.  I had  
> written them seeking an alternate option to move to top and bottom of  
> message lists, as I find the million-key combination for home on a  
> Macbook to be difficult enough to be most annoying.  The suggested the  
> following alternative, Option plus up/down arrow, held down for just a  
> second.  this works fabulously, and i didn't know about it, so thought  
> I'd pass it along in case anyone else found it useful.
> Best,
> Donna
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Re: nifty trick for jumping to top or bottom of message list in mail

[Esther]

Hi Donna,

I just wanted to add, that in the mail messages table if you press  
option-up arrow or option down-arrow (short key press without holding  
down for about a second), you can navigate to the next or previous  
message in the same thread, even if you have not selected "Organize by  
Thread" in your message view.  This can be helpful if the earlier  
thread discussions took place quite some time ago.

Cheers,

Esther

Israel wrote:

> Thank you for this Donna!  I've gotten into the habit of remembering  
> the sender's name or subject of a specific email near the bottom of  
> a long list of emails so I just type a few letters and VO takes me  
> there.  A tip I picked up from I believe it was Cara Quinn and the 
> www.lioncourt.com 
>  Tips section.  Your option + arrow keys is much quicker.  :) At  
> least to get me to the bottom immediately.
>
> Israel Antonio
> www.israelantonio.com
> www.sexyisra.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just wanted to share a tip I just got from Accessibility.  I had
>> written them seeking an alternate option to move to top and bottom of
>> message lists, as I find the million-key combination for home on a
>> Macbook to be difficult enough to be most annoying.  The suggested  
>> the
>> following alternative, Option plus up/down arrow, held down for  
>> just a
>> second.  this works fabulously, and i didn't know about it, so  
>> thought
>> I'd pass it along in case anyone else found it useful.
>> Best,
>> Donna
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