Re: iPhone like KNFB?

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

That surprised me a little bit as well. I would have thought it'd be  
of a better quality, but since I'm never going to use it for anything  
else but reading coupon barcodes if I get an iPhone, I'm not too  
concerned myself. But if I was to use it extensively, then I would be  
a bit worried.

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On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:56 AM, william lomas wrote:

>
> i would hav thought the IPhone camera, more so for the sighted
> community would have been of a higher standard these days. If nokia
> can produce eight MP surely the IPhone should match it?
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 02:25, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
>>
>> It's N82's Flash that does the real trick and not so much the 5MPX
>> camera.
>> On 10/12/2009 7:56 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>> Not sure the camera really does the OCR function. That's probably
>>> software after the photo is taken. That said, KNFB runs in the
>>> Nokia N82
>>> which has a 5 megapixel camera while the iPhone 3GS is just 3
>>> megapixels. Not sure how much the megapixels mater but for OCR more
>>> is
>>> probably better. If you figure even a relatively low res flatbed
>>> scanner
>>> will do 300 dpi, that means an 8x10 image will be 2400x3000 pixels  
>>> or
>>> 7.2 megapixels so the Nokia is already a compromise. None of this
>>> has to
>>> do with the OCR software being able to run on the iPhone CPU. The  
>>> OCR
>>> software isn't going to do a very good job if the quality of the
>>> image
>>> it has to work with is low.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> Rich Ring wrote:
 The camera on the iPhone is not powerful enough to do O/CR.

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Ryan Dour 
   *To:* MacVisionaries 
   *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 3:49 PM
   *Subject:* iPhone like KNFB?

   Hello,

   What apps could be added to an iPhone at this point to provide
   similar functionality to a KNFB phone? The key featuresthat could
   help are:

   * OCR of documents, signs, product boxes, etc.
   * Talking pedestrian directions such as "You are approaching the
   corner of North Michigan Avenue and East Heron." When you get to
   the corner, "Turn right." and in a few more feet "Continue to the
   next corner, St. Claire and E Heron."
   * Color detection, providing reasonably good color matching or
   description.
   * Barcode reader with the ability to detect the barcode anywhere
   in the picture frame, not just across a red line on the screen
   that makes use difficult when you're only sure of the general
   location of the code. Ability to pair with external BlueTooth
   barcode scanner as an alternative could be sweet.
   * Talking compass, something very similar to the built-in
 feature,
   but with names of directions quickly spoken.

   Here's the great part, some of the apps exist, but don't offer
   full functionality.

   * A Voice Compass - Literally a talking compass with great
   accuracy. It even cuts itself off if you turn it really fast,
   listen to the directions in an audio blur if you so choose.
   * Around Me - Great for POI, but that's where the fun ends. Also,
   great for getting phone numbers to places quickly.
   * Maps - Great for finding out where you are, and general
   directions. However, no warnings about distance as you move.

   I've found apps that offer functionality beyond the typical
   blindness offerings that make life just sweet. For me, local apps
   can be fantastic:

   * CTA Tracker - Easily the most accessible CTA tracking app. If
   you live in Chicago, this app provides complete details of busses
   at your local bus stops. Find a bus, wait for it to pull up and
   announce itself, then track your way to your destination with
 time
   estimates. Simply awesome for commuting. If you leave the VO
   cursor on the next stop in the list, and turn Auto Lock off, VO
   will announce the stop the bus is approaching once a minute. Turn
   on your iPod, and let VO be the Dj telling you where you're at as
   you travel without having to keep one ear open for the bus PA
 system.
   * Chipotle - Order some yummy food while you're on your way home.
   You can put together your order, choose toppings, sides, and a
   drink. You can then place a note on the order to let the great
   staff know you're blind, and to look out for ya when you get
   there. It has been a really amazing experience using this app. My
   reason, sometimes the restaurant is so loud that the staff start
   simply pointing at the toppings and looking for feedback from the
   customer. When you try and explain that you're blind, they don't
 

Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[Søren jensen]

Hi.

It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does somebody
know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/


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Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[william lomas]

nope

On 19 Oct 2009, at 08:38, Søren jensen wrote:

>
> Hi.
>
> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does  
> somebody
> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
> Best regards:
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>
>
> >


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RE: iPhone like KNFB?

[Portia]

You never know, Apple might someday, mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone like KNFB?


i would hav thought the IPhone camera, more so for the sighted  
community would have been of a higher standard these days. If nokia  
can produce eight MP surely the IPhone should match it?

On 18 Oct 2009, at 02:25, Victor Tsaran wrote:

>
> It's N82's Flash that does the real trick and not so much the 5MPX  
> camera.
> On 10/12/2009 7:56 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> Not sure the camera really does the OCR function. That's probably
>> software after the photo is taken. That said, KNFB runs in the  
>> Nokia N82
>> which has a 5 megapixel camera while the iPhone 3GS is just 3
>> megapixels. Not sure how much the megapixels mater but for OCR more  
>> is
>> probably better. If you figure even a relatively low res flatbed  
>> scanner
>> will do 300 dpi, that means an 8x10 image will be 2400x3000 pixels or
>> 7.2 megapixels so the Nokia is already a compromise. None of this  
>> has to
>> do with the OCR software being able to run on the iPhone CPU. The OCR
>> software isn't going to do a very good job if the quality of the  
>> image
>> it has to work with is low.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> Rich Ring wrote:
>>> The camera on the iPhone is not powerful enough to do O/CR.
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>*From:* Ryan Dour 
>>>*To:* MacVisionaries 
>>>*Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 3:49 PM
>>>*Subject:* iPhone like KNFB?
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>What apps could be added to an iPhone at this point to provide
>>>similar functionality to a KNFB phone? The key featuresthat could
>>>help are:
>>>
>>>* OCR of documents, signs, product boxes, etc.
>>>* Talking pedestrian directions such as "You are approaching the
>>>corner of North Michigan Avenue and East Heron." When you get to
>>>the corner, "Turn right." and in a few more feet "Continue to the
>>>next corner, St. Claire and E Heron."
>>>* Color detection, providing reasonably good color matching or
>>>description.
>>>* Barcode reader with the ability to detect the barcode anywhere
>>>in the picture frame, not just across a red line on the screen
>>>that makes use difficult when you're only sure of the general
>>>location of the code. Ability to pair with external BlueTooth
>>>barcode scanner as an alternative could be sweet.
>>>* Talking compass, something very similar to the built-in  
>>> feature,
>>>but with names of directions quickly spoken.
>>>
>>>Here's the great part, some of the apps exist, but don't offer
>>>full functionality.
>>>
>>>* A Voice Compass - Literally a talking compass with great
>>>accuracy. It even cuts itself off if you turn it really fast,
>>>listen to the directions in an audio blur if you so choose.
>>>* Around Me - Great for POI, but that's where the fun ends. Also,
>>>great for getting phone numbers to places quickly.
>>>* Maps - Great for finding out where you are, and general
>>>directions. However, no warnings about distance as you move.
>>>
>>>I've found apps that offer functionality beyond the typical
>>>blindness offerings that make life just sweet. For me, local apps
>>>can be fantastic:
>>>
>>>* CTA Tracker - Easily the most accessible CTA tracking app. If
>>>you live in Chicago, this app provides complete details of busses
>>>at your local bus stops. Find a bus, wait for it to pull up and
>>>announce itself, then track your way to your destination with  
>>> time
>>>estimates. Simply awesome for commuting. If you leave the VO
>>>cursor on the next stop in the list, and turn Auto Lock off, VO
>>>will announce the stop the bus is approaching once a minute. Turn
>>>on your iPod, and let VO be the Dj telling you where you're at as
>>>you travel without having to keep one ear open for the bus PA  
>>> system.
>>>* Chipotle - Order some yummy food while you're on your way home.
>>>You can put together your order, choose toppings, sides, and a
>>>drink. You can then place a note on the order to let the great
>>>staff know you're blind, and to look out for ya when you get
>>>there. It has been a really amazing experience using this app. My
>>>reason, sometimes the restaurant is so loud that the staff start
>>>simply pointing at the toppings and looking for feedback from the
>>>customer. When you try and explain that you're blind, they don't
>>>speak up enough, or it really throws them off and they start
>>>missing toppings. Using this app, you get exactly what you wanted
>>>without the confusion of the Chipotle assembly line. Even better,
>>>your credit card never comes out of your wallet.
>>>*
>>>*
>>>*I've got many other ap

Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[Esther]

Hi Søren,

The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the $99  
price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that qualifies it  
for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support  
VoiceOver.  Here are a couple more of the features of the Third  
Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge review:


For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific hardware  
changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for even  
better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t  
discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone devices,  
this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior model’s CPU  
and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the device’s  
clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special effects to  
its graphics arsenal.


The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support, while  
the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower, the  
iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a difference  
which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future touch  
games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both the  
touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.


Cheers,

Esther

Søren jensen wrote:

>
> Hi.
>
> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does  
> somebody
> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
> Best regards:
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>
>
> >


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Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[Charlie Doremus]

8 gb ipod touch is an older model no longer made. can still be purchased but
will not have voiceover. The 32bg & 64gb have voiceover

2009/10/18 Søren jensen 

>
> Hi.
>
> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does somebody
> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
> Best regards:
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>
>
> >
>


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RE: iPhone like KNFB?

[Frank Ventura]

But why, have you ever heard anyone say "nope sorry I won't buy an
IPhone because it doesn't havea an 8MP camera"? Nope, neither has Apple.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Portia
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone like KNFB?


You never know, Apple might someday, mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone like KNFB?


i would hav thought the IPhone camera, more so for the sighted  
community would have been of a higher standard these days. If nokia  
can produce eight MP surely the IPhone should match it?

On 18 Oct 2009, at 02:25, Victor Tsaran wrote:

>
> It's N82's Flash that does the real trick and not so much the 5MPX  
> camera.
> On 10/12/2009 7:56 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> Not sure the camera really does the OCR function. That's probably
>> software after the photo is taken. That said, KNFB runs in the  
>> Nokia N82
>> which has a 5 megapixel camera while the iPhone 3GS is just 3
>> megapixels. Not sure how much the megapixels mater but for OCR more  
>> is
>> probably better. If you figure even a relatively low res flatbed  
>> scanner
>> will do 300 dpi, that means an 8x10 image will be 2400x3000 pixels or
>> 7.2 megapixels so the Nokia is already a compromise. None of this  
>> has to
>> do with the OCR software being able to run on the iPhone CPU. The OCR
>> software isn't going to do a very good job if the quality of the  
>> image
>> it has to work with is low.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> Rich Ring wrote:
>>> The camera on the iPhone is not powerful enough to do O/CR.
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>*From:* Ryan Dour 
>>>*To:* MacVisionaries 
>>>*Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 3:49 PM
>>>*Subject:* iPhone like KNFB?
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>What apps could be added to an iPhone at this point to provide
>>>similar functionality to a KNFB phone? The key featuresthat could
>>>help are:
>>>
>>>* OCR of documents, signs, product boxes, etc.
>>>* Talking pedestrian directions such as "You are approaching the
>>>corner of North Michigan Avenue and East Heron." When you get to
>>>the corner, "Turn right." and in a few more feet "Continue to the
>>>next corner, St. Claire and E Heron."
>>>* Color detection, providing reasonably good color matching or
>>>description.
>>>* Barcode reader with the ability to detect the barcode anywhere
>>>in the picture frame, not just across a red line on the screen
>>>that makes use difficult when you're only sure of the general
>>>location of the code. Ability to pair with external BlueTooth
>>>barcode scanner as an alternative could be sweet.
>>>* Talking compass, something very similar to the built-in  
>>> feature,
>>>but with names of directions quickly spoken.
>>>
>>>Here's the great part, some of the apps exist, but don't offer
>>>full functionality.
>>>
>>>* A Voice Compass - Literally a talking compass with great
>>>accuracy. It even cuts itself off if you turn it really fast,
>>>listen to the directions in an audio blur if you so choose.
>>>* Around Me - Great for POI, but that's where the fun ends. Also,
>>>great for getting phone numbers to places quickly.
>>>* Maps - Great for finding out where you are, and general
>>>directions. However, no warnings about distance as you move.
>>>
>>>I've found apps that offer functionality beyond the typical
>>>blindness offerings that make life just sweet. For me, local apps
>>>can be fantastic:
>>>
>>>* CTA Tracker - Easily the most accessible CTA tracking app. If
>>>you live in Chicago, this app provides complete details of busses
>>>at your local bus stops. Find a bus, wait for it to pull up and
>>>announce itself, then track your way to your destination with  
>>> time
>>>estimates. Simply awesome for commuting. If you leave the VO
>>>cursor on the next stop in the list, and turn Auto Lock off, VO
>>>will announce the stop the bus is approaching once a minute. Turn
>>>on your iPod, and let VO be the Dj telling you where you're at as
>>>you travel without having to keep one ear open for the bus PA  
>>> system.
>>>* Chipotle - Order some yummy food while you're on your way home.
>>>You can put together your order, choose toppings, sides, and a
>>>drink. You can then place a note on the order to let the great
>>>staff know you're blind, and to look out for ya when you get
>>>there. It has been a really amazing experience using this app. My
>>>reason, sometimes the restaurant is so loud that the staff start
>>>simply pointing at the toppings and looking for feedback from the
>>>custome

Re: iPhone like KNFB?

[Portia]

Oh of course not,  But why, have you ever heard anyone say "nope sorry I won't buy an
> IPhone because it doesn't havea an 8MP camera"? Nope, neither has Apple.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Portia
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone like KNFB?
>
>
> You never know, Apple might someday, 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:56 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone like KNFB?
>
>
> i would hav thought the IPhone camera, more so for the sighted  
> community would have been of a higher standard these days. If nokia  
> can produce eight MP surely the IPhone should match it?
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 02:25, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
>   
>> It's N82's Flash that does the real trick and not so much the 5MPX  
>> camera.
>> On 10/12/2009 7:56 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> Not sure the camera really does the OCR function. That's probably
>>> software after the photo is taken. That said, KNFB runs in the  
>>> Nokia N82
>>> which has a 5 megapixel camera while the iPhone 3GS is just 3
>>> megapixels. Not sure how much the megapixels mater but for OCR more  
>>> is
>>> probably better. If you figure even a relatively low res flatbed  
>>> scanner
>>> will do 300 dpi, that means an 8x10 image will be 2400x3000 pixels or
>>> 7.2 megapixels so the Nokia is already a compromise. None of this  
>>> has to
>>> do with the OCR software being able to run on the iPhone CPU. The OCR
>>> software isn't going to do a very good job if the quality of the  
>>> image
>>> it has to work with is low.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> Rich Ring wrote:
>>>   
 The camera on the iPhone is not powerful enough to do O/CR.

- Original Message -
*From:* Ryan Dour 
*To:* MacVisionaries 
*Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 3:49 PM
*Subject:* iPhone like KNFB?

Hello,

What apps could be added to an iPhone at this point to provide
similar functionality to a KNFB phone? The key featuresthat could
help are:

* OCR of documents, signs, product boxes, etc.
* Talking pedestrian directions such as "You are approaching the
corner of North Michigan Avenue and East Heron." When you get to
the corner, "Turn right." and in a few more feet "Continue to the
next corner, St. Claire and E Heron."
* Color detection, providing reasonably good color matching or
description.
* Barcode reader with the ability to detect the barcode anywhere
in the picture frame, not just across a red line on the screen
that makes use difficult when you're only sure of the general
location of the code. Ability to pair with external BlueTooth
barcode scanner as an alternative could be sweet.
* Talking compass, something very similar to the built-in  
 feature,
but with names of directions quickly spoken.

Here's the great part, some of the apps exist, but don't offer
full functionality.

* A Voice Compass - Literally a talking compass with great
accuracy. It even cuts itself off if you turn it really fast,
listen to the directions in an audio blur if you so choose.
* Around Me - Great for POI, but that's where the fun ends. Also,
great for getting phone numbers to places quickly.
* Maps - Great for finding out where you are, and general
directions. However, no warnings about distance as you move.

I've found apps that offer functionality beyond the typical
blindness offerings that make life just sweet. For me, local apps
can be fantastic:

* CTA Tracker - Easily the most accessible CTA tracking app. If
you live in Chicago, this app provides complete details of busses
at your local bus stops. Find a bus, wait for it to pull up and
announce itself, then track your way to your destination with  
 time
estimates. Simply awesome for commuting. If you leave the VO
cursor on the next stop in the list, and turn Auto Lock off, VO
will announce the stop the bus is approaching once a minute. Turn
on your iPod, and let VO be the Dj telling you where you're at as
you travel without having to keep one ear open for the bus PA  
 system.
* Chipotle - Order some yummy food while you're on your way home.
You can put together your order, choose toppings, sides, and a
drink. You can then place a note on the order to let the great
staff know you're blind, and to look out for ya when you ge

Re: iPhone like KNFB?

[Portia]

Hi Frank,

What I was trying to say was that Apple could someday. I have never seen 
a phone with an 8 megapixel camera though. I never knew Nokia madre 
phones like that.

Best wishes,

Portia.

Frank Ventura wrote:
> But why, have you ever heard anyone say "nope sorry I won't buy an
> IPhone because it doesn't havea an 8MP camera"? Nope, neither has Apple.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Portia
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone like KNFB?
>
>
> You never know, Apple might someday, 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:56 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone like KNFB?
>
>
> i would hav thought the IPhone camera, more so for the sighted  
> community would have been of a higher standard these days. If nokia  
> can produce eight MP surely the IPhone should match it?
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 02:25, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
>   
>> It's N82's Flash that does the real trick and not so much the 5MPX  
>> camera.
>> On 10/12/2009 7:56 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> Not sure the camera really does the OCR function. That's probably
>>> software after the photo is taken. That said, KNFB runs in the  
>>> Nokia N82
>>> which has a 5 megapixel camera while the iPhone 3GS is just 3
>>> megapixels. Not sure how much the megapixels mater but for OCR more  
>>> is
>>> probably better. If you figure even a relatively low res flatbed  
>>> scanner
>>> will do 300 dpi, that means an 8x10 image will be 2400x3000 pixels or
>>> 7.2 megapixels so the Nokia is already a compromise. None of this  
>>> has to
>>> do with the OCR software being able to run on the iPhone CPU. The OCR
>>> software isn't going to do a very good job if the quality of the  
>>> image
>>> it has to work with is low.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> Rich Ring wrote:
>>>   
 The camera on the iPhone is not powerful enough to do O/CR.

- Original Message -
*From:* Ryan Dour 
*To:* MacVisionaries 
*Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 3:49 PM
*Subject:* iPhone like KNFB?

Hello,

What apps could be added to an iPhone at this point to provide
similar functionality to a KNFB phone? The key featuresthat could
help are:

* OCR of documents, signs, product boxes, etc.
* Talking pedestrian directions such as "You are approaching the
corner of North Michigan Avenue and East Heron." When you get to
the corner, "Turn right." and in a few more feet "Continue to the
next corner, St. Claire and E Heron."
* Color detection, providing reasonably good color matching or
description.
* Barcode reader with the ability to detect the barcode anywhere
in the picture frame, not just across a red line on the screen
that makes use difficult when you're only sure of the general
location of the code. Ability to pair with external BlueTooth
barcode scanner as an alternative could be sweet.
* Talking compass, something very similar to the built-in  
 feature,
but with names of directions quickly spoken.

Here's the great part, some of the apps exist, but don't offer
full functionality.

* A Voice Compass - Literally a talking compass with great
accuracy. It even cuts itself off if you turn it really fast,
listen to the directions in an audio blur if you so choose.
* Around Me - Great for POI, but that's where the fun ends. Also,
great for getting phone numbers to places quickly.
* Maps - Great for finding out where you are, and general
directions. However, no warnings about distance as you move.

I've found apps that offer functionality beyond the typical
blindness offerings that make life just sweet. For me, local apps
can be fantastic:

* CTA Tracker - Easily the most accessible CTA tracking app. If
you live in Chicago, this app provides complete details of busses
at your local bus stops. Find a bus, wait for it to pull up and
announce itself, then track your way to your destination with  
 time
estimates. Simply awesome for commuting. If you leave the VO
cursor on the next stop in the list, and turn Auto Lock off, VO
will announce the stop the bus is approaching once a minute. Turn
on your iPod, and let VO be the Dj telling you where you're at as
you travel without having to keep one ear open for the bus PA  
 system.
* Chipotle - Order some yummy food while you're on your way home.
Y

Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[Søren Jensen]

Thanks a lot.
Best regards
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Esther wrote:

>
> Hi Søren,
>
> The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the $99
> price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that qualifies it
> for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support
> VoiceOver.  Here are a couple more of the features of the Third
> Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge review:
>
> 
> For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific hardware
> changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for even
> better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t
> discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone devices,
> this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior model’s CPU
> and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the device’s
> clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special effects to
> its graphics arsenal.
>
> 
> The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support, while
> the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower, the
> iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a difference
> which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future touch
> games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both the
> touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.
> 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> Søren jensen wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
>> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does
>> somebody
>> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
>> Best regards:
>> Søren Jensen
>> Mail & MSN:
>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>> Website:
>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Need help from someone who have a Canon scanner

[Søren Jensen]

Hi all.

I've tried for very long time to use my Canon lite scanner on my Mac.  
I've searched for some drivers for Mac on Google, but each time I find  
a driver, it doesn't work with Vue scan. It's a pretty old scanner,  
and I've lost my cd...
If someone have a Canon lite scanner which works on a Mac, could you  
please contact me off the list? I won't buy a new scanner if it's  
possible to find the right driver and software for my scanner.
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mac vs windows

[John W. Carty]

Hello list,

I've been a windows and windows screen reader user for some twenty years. I'm 
considering making the leap to a mac.

I'm also a ham radio operator and I've just started getting into internet radio 
linking using echo link.

There's an app called "echomac" which is a mac version of the echo link 
software.

Has anyone used this application and have they compared it to the windows 
version?

Also, using skype and an application called w4qm general license holders can 
access remote base stations and operate on the hf bands without owning a hf rig 
and antenna.

Is there a mac equivalent for w4qm software?

How does all this operate using voice over?

Finally, does voice over provide for individual scripting? If not, how do you 
configure the screen reader top support new applications?

Thanx,

John Carty



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Re: iPhone like KNFB?

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

It's possible you might have heard someone say  just that. Some people  
are picky about it. :P

In all seriousness, sarcasm aside, I don't see why the camera couldn't  
be eight megapixels. As a blind user it's probably not necessary, mind  
you, since a two megapixels camera is probably fine for OCR in some  
cases, but that probably depends. The better the camera, the better  
results, and I suppose if you're picky about the results you get and  
you don't feel like doing some minor to major editing, you would  
belong to the group that complain about it. Personally I'll probably  
never use the camera, but that's personal preference. I've got an  
eight megapixels camera on my current phone and I've never used it.

Regards,
Nic
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On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:

>
> But why, have you ever heard anyone say "nope sorry I won't buy an
> IPhone because it doesn't havea an 8MP camera"? Nope, neither has  
> Apple.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Portia
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone like KNFB?
>
>
> You never know, Apple might someday, 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:56 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone like KNFB?
>
>
> i would hav thought the IPhone camera, more so for the sighted
> community would have been of a higher standard these days. If nokia
> can produce eight MP surely the IPhone should match it?
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 02:25, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
>>
>> It's N82's Flash that does the real trick and not so much the 5MPX
>> camera.
>> On 10/12/2009 7:56 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>> Not sure the camera really does the OCR function. That's probably
>>> software after the photo is taken. That said, KNFB runs in the
>>> Nokia N82
>>> which has a 5 megapixel camera while the iPhone 3GS is just 3
>>> megapixels. Not sure how much the megapixels mater but for OCR more
>>> is
>>> probably better. If you figure even a relatively low res flatbed
>>> scanner
>>> will do 300 dpi, that means an 8x10 image will be 2400x3000 pixels  
>>> or
>>> 7.2 megapixels so the Nokia is already a compromise. None of this
>>> has to
>>> do with the OCR software being able to run on the iPhone CPU. The  
>>> OCR
>>> software isn't going to do a very good job if the quality of the
>>> image
>>> it has to work with is low.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> Rich Ring wrote:
 The camera on the iPhone is not powerful enough to do O/CR.

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Ryan Dour 
   *To:* MacVisionaries 
   *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 3:49 PM
   *Subject:* iPhone like KNFB?

   Hello,

   What apps could be added to an iPhone at this point to provide
   similar functionality to a KNFB phone? The key featuresthat could
   help are:

   * OCR of documents, signs, product boxes, etc.
   * Talking pedestrian directions such as "You are approaching the
   corner of North Michigan Avenue and East Heron." When you get to
   the corner, "Turn right." and in a few more feet "Continue to the
   next corner, St. Claire and E Heron."
   * Color detection, providing reasonably good color matching or
   description.
   * Barcode reader with the ability to detect the barcode anywhere
   in the picture frame, not just across a red line on the screen
   that makes use difficult when you're only sure of the general
   location of the code. Ability to pair with external BlueTooth
   barcode scanner as an alternative could be sweet.
   * Talking compass, something very similar to the built-in
 feature,
   but with names of directions quickly spoken.

   Here's the great part, some of the apps exist, but don't offer
   full functionality.

   * A Voice Compass - Literally a talking compass with great
   accuracy. It even cuts itself off if you turn it really fast,
   listen to the directions in an audio blur if you so choose.
   * Around Me - Great for POI, but that's where the fun ends. Also,
   great for getting phone numbers to places quickly.
   * Maps - Great for finding out where you are, and general
   directions. However, no warnings about distance as you move.

   I've found apps that offer functionality beyond the typical
   blindness offerings that make life just sweet. For me, local apps
   can be fantastic:

   * CTA Tracker - Easily the most accessible CTA tracking app. If
   you live in Chicago, this app pr

Re: mac vs windows

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hello John,

I cannot answer the questions you have regarding EchoMac, but I can  
try to answer the question concerning scripting abilities.

One thing that is very different from Windows to the Mac, is the  
Windows applications are usually heavily dependent on individual  
scripting for the screen reader to either improve access, or make the  
application accessible. This is rarely the case with the Mac. In many  
cases, if the application is written in Cocoa which contains some  
built-in accessibility framework, it will be accessible as soon as you  
install it without any effort on the developer to make it accessible,  
which is one of the nice things about the Mac. VoiceOver now does  
support AppleScript, though I am not quite sure to which extent.  
AppleScript has been available for some time, though, and it is not  
specific to VoiceOver. Should the application be a Carbon App,  
however, it might be a bit less accessible, though that solely depends  
on the design and so-forth. I've found that, ever since I switched to  
the Mac from Windows about three months ago now, I've been able to use  
more applications with the Mac after installation than with Windows  
without scripts. The other good thing about this is that scripts don't  
have to be updated if a new version of the application in question is  
released, so you save yourself a headache having to wait for the  
developer to update and publish them.

I don't want to slam Windows by any means, but I would definitely  
recommend the Macintosh simply because of this plus. I'm sure someone  
can explain everything better than I can, but I still thought I'd try  
to give it a shot.

Regards,
Nic
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On Oct 19, 2009, at 3:30 PM, John W. Carty wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> I’ve been a windows and windows screen reader user for some twenty  
> years. I’m considering making the leap to a mac.
>
> I’m also a ham radio operator and I’ve just started getting into  
> internet radio linking using echo link.
>
> There’s an app called “echomac” which is a mac version of the echo  
> link software.
>
> Has anyone used this application and have they compared it to the  
> windows version?
>
> Also, using skype and an application called w4qm general license  
> holders can access remote base stations and operate on the hf bands  
> without owning a hf rig and antenna.
>
> Is there a mac equivalent for w4qm software?
>
> How does all this operate using voice over?
>
> Finally, does voice over provide for individual scripting? If not,  
> how do you configure the screen reader top support new applications?
>
> Thanx,
>
> John Carty
>
>
>
> >


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Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[Buddy Brannan]

Nope.
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On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:03 AM, Søren Jensen wrote:

>
> Thanks a lot.
> Best regards
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Esther wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Søren,
>>
>> The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the $99
>> price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that qualifies it
>> for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support
>> VoiceOver.  Here are a couple more of the features of the Third
>> Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge review:
>>
>> 
>> For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific hardware
>> changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for even
>> better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t
>> discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone devices,
>> this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior model’s CPU
>> and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the device’s
>> clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special effects to
>> its graphics arsenal.
>>
>> 
>> The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support, while
>> the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower, the
>> iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a difference
>> which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future touch
>> games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both the
>> touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.
>> 
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> Søren jensen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
>>> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does
>>> somebody
>>> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
>>> Best regards:
>>> Søren Jensen
>>> Mail & MSN:
>>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>>> Website:
>>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: mac vs windows

[May McDonald]

Hi, I just found echomac and can say it does work and it's set up very  
differently from echolink.  There's probably a way to change it so it  
looks like echolink but since I just got it yesterday I haven't had a  
chance to play around and figure out much yet.

May, VA7MAI
On 19-Oct-09, at 6:30 AM, John W. Carty wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> I’ve been a windows and windows screen reader user for some twenty  
> years. I’m considering making the leap to a mac.
>
> I’m also a ham radio operator and I’ve just started getting into  
> internet radio linking using echo link.
>
> There’s an app called “echomac” which is a mac version of the echo  
> link software.
>
> Has anyone used this application and have they compared it to the  
> windows version?
>
> Also, using skype and an application called w4qm general license  
> holders can access remote base stations and operate on the hf bands  
> without owning a hf rig and antenna.
>
> Is there a mac equivalent for w4qm software?
>
> How does all this operate using voice over?
>
> Finally, does voice over provide for individual scripting? If not,  
> how do you configure the screen reader top support new applications?
>
> Thanx,
>
> John Carty
>
>
>
> >


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logic

[Jean-Philippe Rykiel]

Hi all,
as a musician, I've always wondered why Apple has made so few efforts to make 
logic accessible to us. After all, logic belongs to Apple doesn't it. I'm of 
course appreciate Digidesign's attitude regarding accessibility, but logic is 
much cheaper and doesn't require extra hardware except for a good soundcard. 
With snow leopard and Apple's recent accessibility improvements, I imagined 
logic would be one of their first goals, taking the number of potential blind 
users into account.
Even garage band, which is not quite professional enough but still usable for 
starters, has accessibility problems.
What is the logic in all this?
Cheers,
JPR

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RE: mac vs windows

[John W. Carty]

Please let me know how you get along with echomac.

I cannot afford a lot of radio equipment at the moment so internet linking is 
my ham radio focus.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of May McDonald
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac vs windows


Hi, I just found echomac and can say it does work and it's set up very  
differently from echolink.  There's probably a way to change it so it  
looks like echolink but since I just got it yesterday I haven't had a  
chance to play around and figure out much yet.

May, VA7MAI
On 19-Oct-09, at 6:30 AM, John W. Carty wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> I've been a windows and windows screen reader user for some twenty  
> years. I'm considering making the leap to a mac.
>
> I'm also a ham radio operator and I've just started getting into  
> internet radio linking using echo link.
>
> There's an app called "echomac" which is a mac version of the echo  
> link software.
>
> Has anyone used this application and have they compared it to the  
> windows version?
>
> Also, using skype and an application called w4qm general license  
> holders can access remote base stations and operate on the hf bands  
> without owning a hf rig and antenna.
>
> Is there a mac equivalent for w4qm software?
>
> How does all this operate using voice over?
>
> Finally, does voice over provide for individual scripting? If not,  
> how do you configure the screen reader top support new applications?
>
> Thanx,
>
> John Carty
>
>
>
> >




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Re: mac vs windows

[May McDonald]

Will do or at least will try, smile.

Right now it's not hard to use, but I like the way echolink is set up.

73, VA7MAI

On 19-Oct-09, at 7:32 AM, John W. Carty wrote:

>
> Please let me know how you get along with echomac.
>
> I cannot afford a lot of radio equipment at the moment so internet  
> linking is my ham radio focus.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of May McDonald
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac vs windows
>
>
> Hi, I just found echomac and can say it does work and it's set up very
> differently from echolink.  There's probably a way to change it so it
> looks like echolink but since I just got it yesterday I haven't had a
> chance to play around and figure out much yet.
>
> May, VA7MAI
> On 19-Oct-09, at 6:30 AM, John W. Carty wrote:
>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I've been a windows and windows screen reader user for some twenty
>> years. I'm considering making the leap to a mac.
>>
>> I'm also a ham radio operator and I've just started getting into
>> internet radio linking using echo link.
>>
>> There's an app called "echomac" which is a mac version of the echo
>> link software.
>>
>> Has anyone used this application and have they compared it to the
>> windows version?
>>
>> Also, using skype and an application called w4qm general license
>> holders can access remote base stations and operate on the hf bands
>> without owning a hf rig and antenna.
>>
>> Is there a mac equivalent for w4qm software?
>>
>> How does all this operate using voice over?
>>
>> Finally, does voice over provide for individual scripting? If not,
>> how do you configure the screen reader top support new applications?
>>
>> Thanx,
>>
>> John Carty
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: Need help from someone who have a Canon scanner

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

I have a Lide90, and did find drivers for it--though have since  
trashed the DMG.  Let me know if you don't get it fixed, but I think  
if you just google on your scanner's name, possibly with the words  
"drivers," or "Mac OS10" in the search, you'll find them.


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Re: mac vs windows

[Buddy Brannan]

Hi,

Echomac does work nicely, with a couple caveats:

1) It isn't quite so forgiving of poorly configured or not configured  
routers. That is to say, you have to have ports 5198 and 5199  
forwarded to your Mac for UDP traffic and 5200 forward for both TCP  
and UDP. Setting up as trigger ports is fine, but they need to be set  
in any case. Also, you should know that your push to squawk button is  
cmd+enter, and, as May said, the interface is not like the Windows  
version--but still usable for that.

As for W4MQ; I haven't tried it, haven't looked at it too closely so  
couldn't say.
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On Oct 19, 2009, at 10:32 AM, John W. Carty wrote:

>
> Please let me know how you get along with echomac.
>
> I cannot afford a lot of radio equipment at the moment so internet  
> linking is my ham radio focus.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of May McDonald
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac vs windows
>
>
> Hi, I just found echomac and can say it does work and it's set up very
> differently from echolink.  There's probably a way to change it so it
> looks like echolink but since I just got it yesterday I haven't had a
> chance to play around and figure out much yet.
>
> May, VA7MAI
> On 19-Oct-09, at 6:30 AM, John W. Carty wrote:
>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I've been a windows and windows screen reader user for some twenty
>> years. I'm considering making the leap to a mac.
>>
>> I'm also a ham radio operator and I've just started getting into
>> internet radio linking using echo link.
>>
>> There's an app called "echomac" which is a mac version of the echo
>> link software.
>>
>> Has anyone used this application and have they compared it to the
>> windows version?
>>
>> Also, using skype and an application called w4qm general license
>> holders can access remote base stations and operate on the hf bands
>> without owning a hf rig and antenna.
>>
>> Is there a mac equivalent for w4qm software?
>>
>> How does all this operate using voice over?
>>
>> Finally, does voice over provide for individual scripting? If not,
>> how do you configure the screen reader top support new applications?
>>
>> Thanx,
>>
>> John Carty
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: mac vs windows

[May McDonald]

Hey Buddy, thanks for the shortcut.  I didn't know about that, smile.

Any other help you can give would be great.

73, VA7MAI
On 19-Oct-09, at 8:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Echomac does work nicely, with a couple caveats:
>
> 1) It isn't quite so forgiving of poorly configured or not configured
> routers. That is to say, you have to have ports 5198 and 5199
> forwarded to your Mac for UDP traffic and 5200 forward for both TCP
> and UDP. Setting up as trigger ports is fine, but they need to be set
> in any case. Also, you should know that your push to squawk button is
> cmd+enter, and, as May said, the interface is not like the Windows
> version--but still usable for that.
>
> As for W4MQ; I haven't tried it, haven't looked at it too closely so
> couldn't say.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 10:32 AM, John W. Carty wrote:
>
>>
>> Please let me know how you get along with echomac.
>>
>> I cannot afford a lot of radio equipment at the moment so internet
>> linking is my ham radio focus.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of May McDonald
>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac vs windows
>>
>>
>> Hi, I just found echomac and can say it does work and it's set up  
>> very
>> differently from echolink.  There's probably a way to change it so it
>> looks like echolink but since I just got it yesterday I haven't had a
>> chance to play around and figure out much yet.
>>
>> May, VA7MAI
>> On 19-Oct-09, at 6:30 AM, John W. Carty wrote:
>>
>>> Hello list,
>>>
>>> I've been a windows and windows screen reader user for some twenty
>>> years. I'm considering making the leap to a mac.
>>>
>>> I'm also a ham radio operator and I've just started getting into
>>> internet radio linking using echo link.
>>>
>>> There's an app called "echomac" which is a mac version of the echo
>>> link software.
>>>
>>> Has anyone used this application and have they compared it to the
>>> windows version?
>>>
>>> Also, using skype and an application called w4qm general license
>>> holders can access remote base stations and operate on the hf bands
>>> without owning a hf rig and antenna.
>>>
>>> Is there a mac equivalent for w4qm software?
>>>
>>> How does all this operate using voice over?
>>>
>>> Finally, does voice over provide for individual scripting? If not,
>>> how do you configure the screen reader top support new applications?
>>>
>>> Thanx,
>>>
>>> John Carty
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: mac vs windows

[Buddy Brannan]

Oh, well, you should also know that it's a toggle, i.e. you press cmd- 
return to turn on transmit, then press agian to turn it off. Don't  
hold them down. Try dialing up my node, 17681.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:43 AM, May McDonald wrote:

>
> Hey Buddy, thanks for the shortcut.  I didn't know about that, smile.
>
> Any other help you can give would be great.
>
> 73, VA7MAI
> On 19-Oct-09, at 8:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Echomac does work nicely, with a couple caveats:
>>
>> 1) It isn't quite so forgiving of poorly configured or not configured
>> routers. That is to say, you have to have ports 5198 and 5199
>> forwarded to your Mac for UDP traffic and 5200 forward for both TCP
>> and UDP. Setting up as trigger ports is fine, but they need to be set
>> in any case. Also, you should know that your push to squawk button is
>> cmd+enter, and, as May said, the interface is not like the Windows
>> version--but still usable for that.
>>
>> As for W4MQ; I haven't tried it, haven't looked at it too closely so
>> couldn't say.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2009, at 10:32 AM, John W. Carty wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Please let me know how you get along with echomac.
>>>
>>> I cannot afford a lot of radio equipment at the moment so internet
>>> linking is my ham radio focus.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of May McDonald
>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: mac vs windows
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, I just found echomac and can say it does work and it's set up
>>> very
>>> differently from echolink.  There's probably a way to change it so  
>>> it
>>> looks like echolink but since I just got it yesterday I haven't  
>>> had a
>>> chance to play around and figure out much yet.
>>>
>>> May, VA7MAI
>>> On 19-Oct-09, at 6:30 AM, John W. Carty wrote:
>>>
 Hello list,

 I've been a windows and windows screen reader user for some twenty
 years. I'm considering making the leap to a mac.

 I'm also a ham radio operator and I've just started getting into
 internet radio linking using echo link.

 There's an app called "echomac" which is a mac version of the echo
 link software.

 Has anyone used this application and have they compared it to the
 windows version?

 Also, using skype and an application called w4qm general license
 holders can access remote base stations and operate on the hf bands
 without owning a hf rig and antenna.

 Is there a mac equivalent for w4qm software?

 How does all this operate using voice over?

 Finally, does voice over provide for individual scripting? If not,
 how do you configure the screen reader top support new  
 applications?

 Thanx,

 John Carty



>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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RE: iPhone like KNFB?

[Simon Fogarty]

Apart from money and still early days.
 You don't just build a device and put the top of the line tools into it.
With out testing by using the earlier technology to make sure things work
first.

 Give it a couple of generations of iphones, and they wil have 8mp or higher
cameras.

 Samsung are working on the 12mp camera for phones now, so it wont be long
till that's out 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 2:48 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone like KNFB?


Hi,

It's possible you might have heard someone say  just that. Some people  
are picky about it. :P

In all seriousness, sarcasm aside, I don't see why the camera couldn't  
be eight megapixels. As a blind user it's probably not necessary, mind  
you, since a two megapixels camera is probably fine for OCR in some  
cases, but that probably depends. The better the camera, the better  
results, and I suppose if you're picky about the results you get and  
you don't feel like doing some minor to major editing, you would  
belong to the group that complain about it. Personally I'll probably  
never use the camera, but that's personal preference. I've got an  
eight megapixels camera on my current phone and I've never used it.

Regards,
Nic
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
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On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:

>
> But why, have you ever heard anyone say "nope sorry I won't buy an
> IPhone because it doesn't havea an 8MP camera"? Nope, neither has  
> Apple.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Portia
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone like KNFB?
>
>
> You never know, Apple might someday, 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:56 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone like KNFB?
>
>
> i would hav thought the IPhone camera, more so for the sighted
> community would have been of a higher standard these days. If nokia
> can produce eight MP surely the IPhone should match it?
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 02:25, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
>>
>> It's N82's Flash that does the real trick and not so much the 5MPX
>> camera.
>> On 10/12/2009 7:56 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>> Not sure the camera really does the OCR function. That's probably
>>> software after the photo is taken. That said, KNFB runs in the
>>> Nokia N82
>>> which has a 5 megapixel camera while the iPhone 3GS is just 3
>>> megapixels. Not sure how much the megapixels mater but for OCR more
>>> is
>>> probably better. If you figure even a relatively low res flatbed
>>> scanner
>>> will do 300 dpi, that means an 8x10 image will be 2400x3000 pixels  
>>> or
>>> 7.2 megapixels so the Nokia is already a compromise. None of this
>>> has to
>>> do with the OCR software being able to run on the iPhone CPU. The  
>>> OCR
>>> software isn't going to do a very good job if the quality of the
>>> image
>>> it has to work with is low.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> Rich Ring wrote:
 The camera on the iPhone is not powerful enough to do O/CR.

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Ryan Dour 
   *To:* MacVisionaries 
   *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 3:49 PM
   *Subject:* iPhone like KNFB?

   Hello,

   What apps could be added to an iPhone at this point to provide
   similar functionality to a KNFB phone? The key featuresthat could
   help are:

   * OCR of documents, signs, product boxes, etc.
   * Talking pedestrian directions such as "You are approaching the
   corner of North Michigan Avenue and East Heron." When you get to
   the corner, "Turn right." and in a few more feet "Continue to the
   next corner, St. Claire and E Heron."
   * Color detection, providing reasonably good color matching or
   description.
   * Barcode reader with the ability to detect the barcode anywhere
   in the picture frame, not just across a red line on the screen
   that makes use difficult when you're only sure of the general
   location of the code. Ability to pair with external BlueTooth
   barcode scanner as an alternative could be sweet.
   * Talking compass, something very similar to the built-in
 feature,
   but with names of directions quickly spoken.

   Here's the great part, some of the apps exist, but don't offer
   full functionality.

   * A Voice Compass - Literally a talking compass with great
   accuracy. It even cuts itself off if you turn it really 

Invalid certificates in Mail

[James & Nash]

Hi list,

I have recently switched my IMAP GMail account back to POP. However, even 
though I've deleted all the Mail Preferences and Appplication Support files, 
Mail tells me that there is an invalid certificate for the IMAP server. How 
can I fix this please? Is there a way of deleting it?

Thanks

James



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Re: Need help from someone who have a Canon scanner

[Søren Jensen]

I have tried that. Vue scan says the Canon Lite 35 and the Lite 50  
drivers should work with my scanner, but when I install them, Vue scan  
totally ignores it.
Best regards
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
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On Oct 19, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

>
> I have a Lide90, and did find drivers for it--though have since
> trashed the DMG.  Let me know if you don't get it fixed, but I think
> if you just google on your scanner's name, possibly with the words
> "drivers," or "Mac OS10" in the search, you'll find them.
>
>
> Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>
> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
> My home page:
> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>
>
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Re: Need help from someone who have a Canon scanner

[Esther]

Hi Søren,

Do you have the LiDE 35 scanner from Canon? I just did a Google search  
and found a driver that is listed for Mac OS X at the Canon USA  
support site.  It's supposed to be good for all versions from 10.2  
through 10.6 and was posted just last month.  Here's the description:

LiDE35 Scanner Driver Ver. 7.7.2.1X (Mac OS X  
10.2/10.3/10.4/10.5/10.6) 7.7.2.1X
5.30 MB
09/09/2009

I'm not sure whether the link is too long to use, but here it is:

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&tabact=DownloadDetailTabAct&fcategoryid=351&modelid=10241

You have to select the OS to view the drivers and software.  Let me  
know whether this is the scanner model you have.  I think all these  
Canon scanner models were named LiDE ( spelled with a "D"), which may  
be why you came up blank on a Google search.

Cheers,

Esther


Søren Jensen wrote:

>
> I have tried that. Vue scan says the Canon Lite 35 and the Lite 50
> drivers should work with my scanner, but when I install them, Vue scan
> totally ignores it.
> Best regards
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a Lide90, and did find drivers for it--though have since
>> trashed the DMG.  Let me know if you don't get it fixed, but I think
>> if you just google on your scanner's name, possibly with the words
>> "drivers," or "Mac OS10" in the search, you'll find them.
>>
>>
>> Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>
>> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>> My home page:
>> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: recording lp or tapes to the mac

[Tony Bernedal]

Hi.
Thanks for all tips. I didn't think about audio hijac, I'll give it a  
try.
Have someone here any good suggestion for usb soundcards to use with  
the mac? I want 5.1 sound output so I can connect the mac mini I have  
to my reciever. That old thing doesn't have digital input so I have to  
use analog. I found a Asus xonar ua usb soundcard that sounds good  
when I red the discription but I couldn't find anything that said it  
works on mac. Any tips are welcome.
Regards Tony

16 okt 2009 kl. 20.54 skrev Thomas McMahan:

>
> Audio Highjack can do what you are wanting.  It costs, but not a lot,
> and the demo allows you a certain amount of time per cessionthen it
> emposes noise over it, but you can keep running cessions as many
> times as you like to get a feel for the aplication before deciding to
> purchase.
>
> On Oct 16, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Tony Bernedal wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all.
>> Does anyone know of any good software to use for recording lp or  
>> tapes
>> to the mac. I used audio grabber for windows to do that and I really
>> liked the features it have for splitting tracks etc. Is there  
>> anything
>> similar on the mac. Free or payed software. I have amadeus for a
>> testdrive but it looks very overkill just for recording tapes and lps
>> to the mac.
>> Any tips are welcome.
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: mac vs windows

[Dan Eickmeier]

Does Echo Mac work ok under Snow Leopard?  I was aware that it hadn't  
been updated in quite some time.  I'd had it when I was running  
Leopard, but haven't put it on since installing Snowy.  73 de Dan  
VA3ETS.
On Oct 19, 2009, at 10:09 AM, May McDonald wrote:

>
> Hi, I just found echomac and can say it does work and it's set up very
> differently from echolink.  There's probably a way to change it so it
> looks like echolink but since I just got it yesterday I haven't had a
> chance to play around and figure out much yet.
>
> May, VA7MAI
> On 19-Oct-09, at 6:30 AM, John W. Carty wrote:
>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I’ve been a windows and windows screen reader user for some twenty
>> years. I’m considering making the leap to a mac.
>>
>> I’m also a ham radio operator and I’ve just started getting into
>> internet radio linking using echo link.
>>
>> There’s an app called “echomac” which is a mac version of the echo
>> link software.
>>
>> Has anyone used this application and have they compared it to the
>> windows version?
>>
>> Also, using skype and an application called w4qm general license
>> holders can access remote base stations and operate on the hf bands
>> without owning a hf rig and antenna.
>>
>> Is there a mac equivalent for w4qm software?
>>
>> How does all this operate using voice over?
>>
>> Finally, does voice over provide for individual scripting? If not,
>> how do you configure the screen reader top support new applications?
>>
>> Thanx,
>>
>> John Carty
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Spelling buttons without interacting

[Daniel K. Gartmann]

 
Hi,
 
Apparently, some buttons can't be interacted with e.g. in ITunes. I
therefore wonder how to go over the text of the button letter by letter
instead of just doing the vo+w command for spelling the word. I think this
issue also applies to other elements. What they all have in common is that
they can't be interacted with.
 
Anyone got any thoughts on this?
 
Best regards
 
Daniel
 

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vmwarefusion and zoomtext

[Christina]

Hello list,

I was wondering if zoomtext works in the the windows virtual  
environment using vmware fusion.  I've heard of some of you using jaws  
while in windows with vmware fusion.  I really have limited vision but  
what love to use zoomtext to look at some photos of family.  I do not  
currently have windows installed on my macbook anywhere and have not  
had any need for windows.  However, I don't feel the zoom that comes  
equipped on the mac does a good enough job on the photos.  I don't  
know if it's the monitor on my macbook, the zoom on the mac, or my  
decreased vision, but any photos are very blurry, pixelated, and  
washed out.  So,  wanted to see if zoom text would be a better  
option.  I'm not thrilled about putting windows on my mac but it seems  
that many of you do this with no problems.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: Spelling buttons without interacting

[Esther]

Hi Daniel,

Some places where I need to get the text of something VoiceOver says,  
I just use VO-Shift-C (copy last phrase to pasteboard).  If I want to  
examine the text in detail, I'll paste it i(Command-V) nto a TextEdit  
window.  This command works in all sorts of places where I can't do a  
copy, etc.  It also works in places where there is an embedded  
character that VoiceOver announces.  It's particularly useful when I  
want to assign shortcuts to menu options and don't know how to type  
the exact characters.  For example, I now know that an ellipsis can be  
typed with Option+; (…), but I wouldn't have been able to type in  
menu commands that end with an ellipsis to assign a keyboard shortcut  
except by using VO-Shift-C.  This is a really useful keyboard  
shortcut.  It also works if I want to retrieve an accented name of an  
Artist, Album, or Song from the iTunes Store to update the tag  
information in an iTunes track listing.  Also, it's great for copying  
and reporting cryptic error messages that you get that you want to  
send off to your computer support people or to Apple.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Daniel K. Gartmann wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Apparently, some buttons can't be interacted with e.g. in ITunes. I  
> therefore wonder how to go over the text of the button letter by  
> letter instead of just doing the vo+w command for spelling the word.  
> I think this issue also applies to other elements. What they all  
> have in common is that they can't be interacted with.
>
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?
>
> Best regards
>
> Daniel
>
>
> >


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Re: mac vs windows

[Maurice Mines]

same thing here maurice ham call kd0iko.
On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:32 AM, John W. Carty wrote:

>
> Please let me know how you get along with echomac.
>
> I cannot afford a lot of radio equipment at the moment so internet  
> linking is my ham radio focus.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of May McDonald
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac vs windows
>
>
> Hi, I just found echomac and can say it does work and it's set up very
> differently from echolink.  There's probably a way to change it so it
> looks like echolink but since I just got it yesterday I haven't had a
> chance to play around and figure out much yet.
>
> May, VA7MAI
> On 19-Oct-09, at 6:30 AM, John W. Carty wrote:
>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I've been a windows and windows screen reader user for some twenty
>> years. I'm considering making the leap to a mac.
>>
>> I'm also a ham radio operator and I've just started getting into
>> internet radio linking using echo link.
>>
>> There's an app called "echomac" which is a mac version of the echo
>> link software.
>>
>> Has anyone used this application and have they compared it to the
>> windows version?
>>
>> Also, using skype and an application called w4qm general license
>> holders can access remote base stations and operate on the hf bands
>> without owning a hf rig and antenna.
>>
>> Is there a mac equivalent for w4qm software?
>>
>> How does all this operate using voice over?
>>
>> Finally, does voice over provide for individual scripting? If not,
>> how do you configure the screen reader top support new applications?
>>
>> Thanx,
>>
>> John Carty
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> >


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RE: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[Kevin Gibbs]

I don' think the 8GB talks.

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Subject: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?



Hi.

It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I thought
there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does somebody know if
the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included? Best regards: Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk
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RE: logic

[Kevin Gibbs]

JPR,
Like you, I'm very interested in the potential for accessibility with
Logic and VO.  Unfortunately, think about how long it took Apple to make
iTunes accesible.  That's their flagship application and it took years.
Logic serves a very small market compared with iTunes and it will take even
longer.  That said, I'm certainly hoping that Logic becomes accesible just
so that there's an option on the Mac side for MIDI based composers.  
Kevin

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Subject: logic


Hi all,
as a musician, I've always wondered why Apple has made so few efforts to
make logic accessible to us. After all, logic belongs to Apple doesn't it.
I'm of course appreciate Digidesign's attitude regarding accessibility, but
logic is much cheaper and doesn't require extra hardware except for a good
soundcard. With snow leopard and Apple's recent accessibility improvements,
I imagined logic would be one of their first goals, taking the number of
potential blind users into account.
Even garage band, which is not quite professional enough but still usable
for starters, has accessibility problems.
What is the logic in all this?
Cheers,
JPR
 
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Re: recording lp or tapes to the mac

[Esther]

Hi Tony,

Tony Bernedal wrote:

> Does anyone know of any good software to use for recording lp or tapes
> to the mac. I used audio grabber for windows to do that and I really
> liked the features it have for splitting tracks etc. Is there anything
> similar on the mac. Free or payed software. I have amadeus for a
> testdrive but it looks very overkill just for recording tapes and lps
> to the mac.
> Any tips are welcome.

I actually like using Amadeus Pro for recording tapes to the Mac,  
because it does a relatively good job of denoising, and it also has a  
feature where it will automatically split tracks based on the silence  
intervals.  Are you running Snow Leopard?  Also, what type of Mac do  
you have?  The issues you're likely to come up against are first, the  
connection of your device to the computer (you can use the line-in,  
but I think that on some of the older model Mac Minis that wasn't  
present; or you can use a USB - audio input connection device);  
second, do you need to take care of click removal and reduction of  
hiss from the tape?  If the only editing issues you think you have to  
deal with are selecting the start and stop times of your recording and  
trimming the sections, then you can use a recorder with a very simple  
interface.  A freeware program like Audio Recorder works pretty well,  
but the distribution was designed for Tiger and Leopard, so I don't  
know whether

Here are links to a few possible sources of further information:
• Apple's Support Document on Audio Attachments from their Knowledge  
Base:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2508
The quick summary is that you might want to use a device like the  
Griffin iMic (about $29.99 list price) to connect your Audio devices  
to the USB port of your computer, possibly with a small "Y" connector  
that you can buy for a few dollars at Radio Shack; for better audio  
performance, you could use an M-Audio device, and then connect to  
various "Pro" level audio inputs at the high end.
• Audio Restoration page by Brian Davies:
http://www.maths.anu.edu.au/~briand/sound/
This is a page about restoring recordings from LPs and tapes that you  
digitally capture.  The author, Brian Davies, has developed software  
products for both click repair of LPs and de-noising hiss.  (I haven't  
tried these, so I don't know how they work under VoiceOver).  There  
are sound samples, and the results sound impressive.  There are links  
to his software (each is about $40, but I think there are free trials)  
for ClickRepair, and DeNoise.  There are also links to web pages about  
digitizing LPs and tapes.  The author is a retired math professor who  
developed this software for saving his own recordings.
• Final Vinyl Freeware
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/audio/finalvinyl.html
This is freeware software from Griffin Technologies (the makers of the  
Griffin iMic, audio-to-USB connector mentioned previously) for helping  
to correct digitized recordings.
• TidBITS discussion of Audio Processing Software:
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/audio/finalvinyl.html
This is one of the more illuminating discussions of Mac Software for  
the problem of digitizing tapes and LPs (see the original person's  
question, and also read down for the reply by Matt Neuberg).  There  
are a lot of expensive software tools for dealing with noise and  
artifacts (e.g. Peak Bias, Sound Soap, etc.)  I though the comments in  
the thread were fairly good.  Although they don't mention  
accessibility, most of the apps referenced are accessible to different  
degrees.  And I think the comments about ClickRepair and DeNoise (link  
given to Brian Davies' web site above) are relevant.

As I mentioned, if you want to do very simple editing, you could  
simply record with AudioRecorder:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/17392
You could even just clip the start and stop times with Get Info  
(Command-I, and go to the Options tab to set the start and stop times  
for playback) with iTunes. (This is for versions up to Leopard; I  
don't know about Snow Leopard compatibility). Audio Recorder has a  
very simple interface.

Between other apps, I would just use Amadeus Pro.  Sound Studio has a  
nice feature where it will automatically shut off when there's a long  
silence (if you come to the end of a tape you've left recording).  But  
basically, if you ever need an all-purpose editor, you may eventually  
want to get Amadeus Pro. It's very full-functioned for the price ($40,  
and I believe you can use the license on your laptop and your  
desktop), the author is responsive, and has been improving the  
interface for VoiceOver use, and the features are pretty good.  I  
haven't worked at this, but I've found it easier to denoise tapes with  
Amadeus Pro than with other software.  However, there are several  
people on this list with more experience in recording software than I  
have, and I've mostly been digitizing audiobooks and some music fro

Re: Trackpad commander makes VO mute

[Esther]

Hello,

James, I think the problem is not deleting the problem plist -- if  
Anne knows which plist is problematic it can easily be located and  
sent to the trash.  I think this can be fixed in terminal with a  
"defaults write" command if the keyword and syntax are known.

Anne, how about the following solution:  if you can fix the plist once  
with sighted help, can't you just circulate a copy of the plist with  
the correct settings? When users encounter the problem with TrackPad  
Commander, they can exit and copy the correct plist to the preferences  
library and restart?

Cheers,

Esther

James & Nash wrote:

>
> Hi Anne,
>
> I know this doens't help directly with the problem, but would it be  
> possible
> to write an Apple Script to delete the offending plist file until  
> Apple can
> fix the problem?
>
> Take care
>
> James
> - Original Message -
> From: "Anne Robertson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 6:56 PM
> Subject: Trackpad commander makes VO mute
>
>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> On my French VoiceOver list, a couple of people are having trouble
>> with the Trackpad Commander causing speech to be muted. Since I
>> haven't got a machine with a multitouch trackpad, I can't test this
>> myself. Has anyone on this list encountered this problem?
>>
>> We've reported it to Accessibility and have worked out which plist to
>> throw away, but you need either a Braille display or sighted help to
>> fix the problem each time.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[hank smith]

what ipod touch models have voice over and can you run all iphone apps on 
it?

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To: 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?



Hi Søren,

The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the $99
price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that qualifies it
for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support
VoiceOver.  Here are a couple more of the features of the Third
Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge review:


For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific hardware
changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for even
better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t
discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone devices,
this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior model’s CPU
and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the device’s
clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special effects to
its graphics arsenal.


The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support, while
the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower, the
iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a difference
which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future touch
games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both the
touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.


Cheers,

Esther

Søren jensen wrote:

>
> Hi.
>
> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does
> somebody
> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
> Best regards:
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>
>
> >




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Re: vmwarefusion and zoomtext

[Mueller, Matt]

Hi Christina.

VMWare Fusion 2 currently does not work with ZoomText.  It will  
install and run, but using any level of magnification causes screen  
corruption when the visible area moves.  In short, its unusable for  
magnification, though I've used some of its screen reading features  
with decent success.  When I discovered this a year go, I contacted  
VMWare support and informed them of the issue. They replied stating  
that they found the problem but that it could not be fixed in the  
current version.  Fusion 3 has been announced and will be available on  
October 27.  I hope to try it in some fashion and I will report back  
on my findings when I can.

If viewing images is your primary concern and you don't need or want  
to run Windows otherwise, you might look into the zoom options in  
Universal Access for the "smooth images" checkbox. By default, OS X  
uses anti-aliasing to reduce pixel visibility, but it does cause a  
good deal of blurriness on fonts and images at higher magnification.  
Unchecking that should help.  Option-Command-Backslash will toggle it  
also and save you a trip through system preferences.  The other thing  
that may help is the contrast adjustment in Universal Access. There is  
a slider there or you can use Control-Option-Command-Comma to decrease  
contrast and Control-Option-Command-Period to increase it.

Hope this helps,
Matt

On Oct 19, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Christina wrote:

>
> Hello list,
>
> I was wondering if zoomtext works in the the windows virtual
> environment using vmware fusion.  I've heard of some of you using jaws
> while in windows with vmware fusion.  I really have limited vision but
> what love to use zoomtext to look at some photos of family.  I do not
> currently have windows installed on my macbook anywhere and have not
> had any need for windows.  However, I don't feel the zoom that comes
> equipped on the mac does a good enough job on the photos.  I don't
> know if it's the monitor on my macbook, the zoom on the mac, or my
> decreased vision, but any photos are very blurry, pixelated, and
> washed out.  So,  wanted to see if zoom text would be a better
> option.  I'm not thrilled about putting windows on my mac but it seems
> that many of you do this with no problems.
>
> Thanks,
> Christina
>
> >


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Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[Esther]

Hi Hank,

hank smith wrote:

>
> what ipod touch models have voice over and can you run all iphone  
> apps on
> it?
>

The 32GB and 64GB iPod Touch 3G models have VoiceOver.  There is no  
iPod Touch model on which you can run all the iPhone apps, since  
clearly the apps that support phone functions, or that rely on 3G  
network connectivity or GPS or built-in compass will not find these  
properties built into an iPod Touch.  Nor will the apps that use the  
camera.  In principle, you could run a GPS app that uses a dock- 
mounted GPS unit plugged into the base of the iPod Touch.  I was  
interested in the TomTom app for that reason, because the holder that  
they sell for mounting the iPhone for car use contains a GPS signal in  
the dock connector that plugs into the base of the iPhone to boost  
signal.  This means that it can also supply GPS functionality to an  
iPod Touch.  In principal, any GPS app could then be used with the  
iPod touch.  Other tear-down reports tell of the iPod Touch containing  
a later-generation Broadcomm chip than is in the iPhone 3GS.  This is  
capable of supporting the faster 802.11N wireless connections, and FM  
reception, although neither of these functions is currently active in  
the iPod Touch 3G.  It's possibile these features could be activated  
in a later software release by Apple.

Cheers,

Esther
hank smith wrote:

> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Esther" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
>
>
>
> Hi Søren,
>
> The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the $99
> price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that qualifies it
> for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support
> VoiceOver.  Here are a couple more of the features of the Third
> Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge review:
>
> 
> For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific hardware
> changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for even
> better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t
> discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone devices,
> this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior model’s CPU
> and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the device’s
> clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special effects to
> its graphics arsenal.
>
> 
> The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support, while
> the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower, the
> iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a difference
> which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future touch
> games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both the
> touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.
> 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> Søren jensen wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
>> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does
>> somebody
>> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
>> Best regards:
>> Søren Jensen
>> Mail & MSN:
>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>> Website:
>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[hank smith]

what does the 32 gig go fore?
and how do you tur on voice over on the ipod touch?
also can you record audio on the ipod touch?
- Original Message - 
From: "Esther" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?



Hi Hank,

hank smith wrote:

>
> what ipod touch models have voice over and can you run all iphone
> apps on
> it?
>

The 32GB and 64GB iPod Touch 3G models have VoiceOver.  There is no
iPod Touch model on which you can run all the iPhone apps, since
clearly the apps that support phone functions, or that rely on 3G
network connectivity or GPS or built-in compass will not find these
properties built into an iPod Touch.  Nor will the apps that use the
camera.  In principle, you could run a GPS app that uses a dock-
mounted GPS unit plugged into the base of the iPod Touch.  I was
interested in the TomTom app for that reason, because the holder that
they sell for mounting the iPhone for car use contains a GPS signal in
the dock connector that plugs into the base of the iPhone to boost
signal.  This means that it can also supply GPS functionality to an
iPod Touch.  In principal, any GPS app could then be used with the
iPod touch.  Other tear-down reports tell of the iPod Touch containing
a later-generation Broadcomm chip than is in the iPhone 3GS.  This is
capable of supporting the faster 802.11N wireless connections, and FM
reception, although neither of these functions is currently active in
the iPod Touch 3G.  It's possibile these features could be activated
in a later software release by Apple.

Cheers,

Esther
hank smith wrote:

> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Esther" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
>
>
>
> Hi Søren,
>
> The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the $99
> price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that qualifies it
> for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support
> VoiceOver.  Here are a couple more of the features of the Third
> Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge review:
>
> 
> For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific hardware
> changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for even
> better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t
> discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone devices,
> this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior model’s CPU
> and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the device’s
> clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special effects to
> its graphics arsenal.
>
> 
> The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support, while
> the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower, the
> iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a difference
> which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future touch
> games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both the
> touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.
> 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> Søren jensen wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
>> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does
>> somebody
>> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
>> Best regards:
>> Søren Jensen
>> Mail & MSN:
>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>> Website:
>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> >




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Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[Esther]

Hi Hank,

Price for 32 GB iPod Touch 3GS is $299.  The 64GB iPod Touch 3GS is  
$399.  You turn VoiceOver on on the iPod Touch the same way you do for  
the iPhone.  When you connect your iPod Touch to your computer there's  
a button to Configure Universal Access, so you can set things up so  
that VoiceOver is immediately activated.  You can record audio on the  
iPod Touch (there's the same "Voice Memos" app as on the iPhone), but  
you have to use the mic on the headset pack-ins that come with the  
iPod Touch to speak into.  These are the same headsets that can be  
used to control the iPod Nanos with Speakable Menus, by the way -- you  
hold down the central part of the click switch to activate Voice  
Control on the iPod Touch.  Since you can only use one country's voice  
-- and someone on the list mentioned that voice control didn't work as  
well in non-English languages -- I find that I have to mis-pronounce  
all my French songs the way that Alex would pronounce them if I want  
to play them via Voice Control commands.

The speaker on the iPod Touch is not meant for great quality  
listening, so you'll want to wear a headset. It's fine for listening  
to your email or working with VoiceOver if you're at home -- you  
probably don't want to have your email read out to you in public,  
anyway.  I can listen to audiobooks without a headset on, if I'm by  
myself.  Might not work so well in a very noisy environment.  For  
example, if you're listening with friends while riding in a car,  
you'll want to route your audio content to other speakers, because the  
built-in speaker won't be loud enough.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther


hank smith wrote:

>
> what does the 32 gig go fore?
> and how do you tur on voice over on the ipod touch?
> also can you record audio on the ipod touch?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Esther"
> Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
>
>
>
> Hi Hank,
>
> hank smith wrote:
>
>>
>> what ipod touch models have voice over and can you run all iphone
>> apps on
>> it?
>>
>
> The 32GB and 64GB iPod Touch 3G models have VoiceOver.  There is no
> iPod Touch model on which you can run all the iPhone apps, since
> clearly the apps that support phone functions, or that rely on 3G
> network connectivity or GPS or built-in compass will not find these
> properties built into an iPod Touch.  Nor will the apps that use the
> camera.  In principle, you could run a GPS app that uses a dock-
> mounted GPS unit plugged into the base of the iPod Touch.  I was
> interested in the TomTom app for that reason, because the holder that
> they sell for mounting the iPhone for car use contains a GPS signal in
> the dock connector that plugs into the base of the iPhone to boost
> signal.  This means that it can also supply GPS functionality to an
> iPod Touch.  In principal, any GPS app could then be used with the
> iPod touch.  Other tear-down reports tell of the iPod Touch containing
> a later-generation Broadcomm chip than is in the iPhone 3GS.  This is
> capable of supporting the faster 802.11N wireless connections, and FM
> reception, although neither of these functions is currently active in
> the iPod Touch 3G.  It's possibile these features could be activated
> in a later software release by Apple.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
> hank smith wrote:
>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: "Esther" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Søren,
>>
>> The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the $99
>> price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that qualifies it
>> for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support
>> VoiceOver.  Here are a couple more of the features of the Third
>> Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge review:
>>
>> 
>> For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific hardware
>> changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for even
>> better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t
>> discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone devices,
>> this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior model’s CPU
>> and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the device’s
>> clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special effects to
>> its graphics arsenal.
>>
>> 
>> The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support, while
>> the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower, the
>> iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a difference
>> which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future touch
>> games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both the
>> touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.
>> 
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> Søren jensen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
>>> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Do

RE: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[Blake Sinnett]

The FM radio is rumored to be coming. I've noticed that pressing and holding 
power and pressing the home key on my iPod touch produces a camera noise. I'm 
not sure if images are taken or what. But if someone could check this out, 
that'd be great.
 
> From: mori...@mac.com
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:19:12 -1000
> 
> 
> Hi Hank,
> 
> hank smith wrote:
> 
> >
> > what ipod touch models have voice over and can you run all iphone 
> > apps on
> > it?
> >
> 
> The 32GB and 64GB iPod Touch 3G models have VoiceOver. There is no 
> iPod Touch model on which you can run all the iPhone apps, since 
> clearly the apps that support phone functions, or that rely on 3G 
> network connectivity or GPS or built-in compass will not find these 
> properties built into an iPod Touch. Nor will the apps that use the 
> camera. In principle, you could run a GPS app that uses a dock- 
> mounted GPS unit plugged into the base of the iPod Touch. I was 
> interested in the TomTom app for that reason, because the holder that 
> they sell for mounting the iPhone for car use contains a GPS signal in 
> the dock connector that plugs into the base of the iPhone to boost 
> signal. This means that it can also supply GPS functionality to an 
> iPod Touch. In principal, any GPS app could then be used with the 
> iPod touch. Other tear-down reports tell of the iPod Touch containing 
> a later-generation Broadcomm chip than is in the iPhone 3GS. This is 
> capable of supporting the faster 802.11N wireless connections, and FM 
> reception, although neither of these functions is currently active in 
> the iPod Touch 3G. It's possibile these features could be activated 
> in a later software release by Apple.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> hank smith wrote:
> 
> > - Original Message -
> >
> > From: "Esther" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Søren,
> >
> > The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the $99
> > price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that qualifies it
> > for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support
> > VoiceOver. Here are a couple more of the features of the Third
> > Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge review:
> >
> > 
> > For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific hardware
> > changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for even
> > better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t
> > discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone devices,
> > this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior model’s CPU
> > and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the device’s
> > clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special effects to
> > its graphics arsenal.
> >
> > 
> > The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support, while
> > the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower, the
> > iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a difference
> > which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future touch
> > games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both the
> > touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.
> > 
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Esther
> >
> > Søren jensen wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
> >> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does
> >> somebody
> >> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
> >> Best regards:
> >> Søren Jensen
> >> Mail & MSN:
> >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> >> Website:
> >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> > 
  
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RE: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[Kevin Gibbs]

No camera in a touch.  
 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?


The FM radio is rumored to be coming. I've noticed that pressing and holding
power and pressing the home key on my iPod touch produces a camera noise.
I'm not sure if images are taken or what. But if someone could check this
out, that'd be great.
 
> From: mori...@mac.com
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:19:12 -1000
> 
> 
> Hi Hank,
> 
> hank smith wrote:
> 
> >
> > what ipod touch models have voice over and can you run all iphone 
> > apps on
> > it?
> >
> 
> The 32GB and 64GB iPod Touch 3G models have VoiceOver. There is no 
> iPod Touch model on which you can run all the iPhone apps, since 
> clearly the apps that support phone functions, or that rely on 3G 
> network connectivity or GPS or built-in compass will not find these 
> properties built into an iPod Touch. Nor will the apps that use the 
> camera. In principle, you could run a GPS app that uses a dock- 
> mounted GPS unit plugged into the base of the iPod Touch. I was 
> interested in the TomTom app for that reason, because the holder that 
> they sell for mounting the iPhone for car use contains a GPS signal in 
> the dock connector that plugs into the base of the iPhone to boost 
> signal. This means that it can also supply GPS functionality to an 
> iPod Touch. In principal, any GPS app could then be used with the 
> iPod touch. Other tear-down reports tell of the iPod Touch containing 
> a later-generation Broadcomm chip than is in the iPhone 3GS. This is 
> capable of supporting the faster 802.11N wireless connections, and FM 
> reception, although neither of these functions is currently active in 
> the iPod Touch 3G. It's possibile these features could be activated 
> in a later software release by Apple.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> hank smith wrote:
> 
> > - Original Message -
> >
> > From: "Esther" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Søren,
> >
> > The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the $99
> > price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that qualifies it
> > for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support
> > VoiceOver. Here are a couple more of the features of the Third
> > Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge review:
> >
> > 
> > For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific hardware
> > changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for even
> > better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t
> > discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone devices,
> > this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior model’s CPU
> > and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the device’s
> > clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special effects to
> > its graphics arsenal.
> >
> > 
> > The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support, while
> > the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower, the
> > iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a difference
> > which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future touch
> > games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both the
> > touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.
> > 
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Esther
> >
> > Søren jensen wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
> >> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does
> >> somebody
> >> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
> >> Best regards:
> >> Søren Jensen
> >> Mail & MSN:
> >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> >> Website:
> >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> 





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RE: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[Kevin Gibbs]

I forgot to ask.   Do you hear that camera noise by holding power and
pressing the home key when the touch is already on, or does it have to be
off before you execute this sequence?
K.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?


The FM radio is rumored to be coming. I've noticed that pressing and holding
power and pressing the home key on my iPod touch produces a camera noise.
I'm not sure if images are taken or what. But if someone could check this
out, that'd be great.
 
> From: mori...@mac.com
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:19:12 -1000
> 
> 
> Hi Hank,
> 
> hank smith wrote:
> 
> >
> > what ipod touch models have voice over and can you run all iphone 
> > apps on
> > it?
> >
> 
> The 32GB and 64GB iPod Touch 3G models have VoiceOver. There is no 
> iPod Touch model on which you can run all the iPhone apps, since 
> clearly the apps that support phone functions, or that rely on 3G 
> network connectivity or GPS or built-in compass will not find these 
> properties built into an iPod Touch. Nor will the apps that use the 
> camera. In principle, you could run a GPS app that uses a dock- 
> mounted GPS unit plugged into the base of the iPod Touch. I was 
> interested in the TomTom app for that reason, because the holder that 
> they sell for mounting the iPhone for car use contains a GPS signal in 
> the dock connector that plugs into the base of the iPhone to boost 
> signal. This means that it can also supply GPS functionality to an 
> iPod Touch. In principal, any GPS app could then be used with the 
> iPod touch. Other tear-down reports tell of the iPod Touch containing 
> a later-generation Broadcomm chip than is in the iPhone 3GS. This is 
> capable of supporting the faster 802.11N wireless connections, and FM 
> reception, although neither of these functions is currently active in 
> the iPod Touch 3G. It's possibile these features could be activated 
> in a later software release by Apple.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> hank smith wrote:
> 
> > - Original Message -
> >
> > From: "Esther" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Søren,
> >
> > The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the $99
> > price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that qualifies it
> > for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support
> > VoiceOver. Here are a couple more of the features of the Third
> > Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge review:
> >
> > 
> > For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific hardware
> > changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for even
> > better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t
> > discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone devices,
> > this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior model’s CPU
> > and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the device’s
> > clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special effects to
> > its graphics arsenal.
> >
> > 
> > The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support, while
> > the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower, the
> > iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a difference
> > which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future touch
> > games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both the
> > touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.
> > 
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Esther
> >
> > Søren jensen wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
> >> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does
> >> somebody
> >> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
> >> Best regards:
> >> Søren Jensen
> >> Mail & MSN:
> >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> >> Website:
> >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> 





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Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[chris polk]

it is actually taking a snap shot of the screen when you hear this  
noise.

hth
Chris

On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

> I forgot to ask.   Do you hear that camera noise by holding power  
> and pressing the home key when the touch is already on, or does it  
> have to be off before you execute this sequence?
> K.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
>
> The FM radio is rumored to be coming. I've noticed that pressing and  
> holding power and pressing the home key on my iPod touch produces a  
> camera noise. I'm not sure if images are taken or what. But if  
> someone could check this out, that'd be great.
>
> > From: mori...@mac.com
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
> > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:19:12 -1000
> >
> >
> > Hi Hank,
> >
> > hank smith wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > what ipod touch models have voice over and can you run all iphone
> > > apps on
> > > it?
> > >
> >
> > The 32GB and 64GB iPod Touch 3G models have VoiceOver. There is no
> > iPod Touch model on which you can run all the iPhone apps, since
> > clearly the apps that support phone functions, or that rely on 3G
> > network connectivity or GPS or built-in compass will not find these
> > properties built into an iPod Touch. Nor will the apps that use the
> > camera. In principle, you could run a GPS app that uses a dock-
> > mounted GPS unit plugged into the base of the iPod Touch. I was
> > interested in the TomTom app for that reason, because the holder  
> that
> > they sell for mounting the iPhone for car use contains a GPS  
> signal in
> > the dock connector that plugs into the base of the iPhone to boost
> > signal. This means that it can also supply GPS functionality to an
> > iPod Touch. In principal, any GPS app could then be used with the
> > iPod touch. Other tear-down reports tell of the iPod Touch  
> containing
> > a later-generation Broadcomm chip than is in the iPhone 3GS. This is
> > capable of supporting the faster 802.11N wireless connections, and  
> FM
> > reception, although neither of these functions is currently active  
> in
> > the iPod Touch 3G. It's possibile these features could be activated
> > in a later software release by Apple.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Esther
> > hank smith wrote:
> >
> > > - Original Message -
> > >
> > > From: "Esther" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:11 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Søren,
> > >
> > > The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the  
> $99
> > > price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that  
> qualifies it
> > > for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support
> > > VoiceOver. Here are a couple more of the features of the Third
> > > Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge review:
> > >
> > > 
> > > For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific  
> hardware
> > > changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for  
> even
> > > better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t
> > > discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone devices,
> > > this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior model’s  
> CPU
> > > and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the  
> device’s
> > > clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special  
> effects to
> > > its graphics arsenal.
> > >
> > > 
> > > The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support,  
> while
> > > the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower, the
> > > iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a  
> difference
> > > which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future  
> touch
> > > games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both  
> the
> > > touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.
> > > 
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Esther
> > >
> > > Søren jensen wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Hi.
> > >>
> > >> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb  
> version. I
> > >> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does
> > >> somebody
> > >> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
> > >> Best regards:
> > >> Søren Jensen
> > >> Mail & MSN:
> > >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> > >> Website:
> > >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >


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RE: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[Kevin Gibbs]

How do you know?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chris polk
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?


it is actually taking a snap shot of the screen when you hear this noise. 

hth
Chris

On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:



I forgot to ask.   Do you hear that camera noise by holding power and
pressing the home key when the touch is already on, or does it have to be
off before you execute this sequence?
K.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?


The FM radio is rumored to be coming. I've noticed that pressing and holding
power and pressing the home key on my iPod touch produces a camera noise.
I'm not sure if images are taken or what. But if someone could check this
out, that'd be great.
 
> From: mori...@mac.com
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:19:12 -1000
> 
> 
> Hi Hank,
> 
> hank smith wrote:
> 
> >
> > what ipod touch models have voice over and can you run all iphone 
> > apps on
> > it?
> >
> 
> The 32GB and 64GB iPod Touch 3G models have VoiceOver. There is no 
> iPod Touch model on which you can run all the iPhone apps, since 
> clearly the apps that support phone functions, or that rely on 3G 
> network connectivity or GPS or built-in compass will not find these 
> properties built into an iPod Touch. Nor will the apps that use the 
> camera. In principle, you could run a GPS app that uses a dock- 
> mounted GPS unit plugged into the base of the iPod Touch. I was 
> interested in the TomTom app for that reason, because the holder that 
> they sell for mounting the iPhone for car use contains a GPS signal in 
> the dock connector that plugs into the base of the iPhone to boost 
> signal. This means that it can also supply GPS functionality to an 
> iPod Touch. In principal, any GPS app could then be used with the 
> iPod touch. Other tear-down reports tell of the iPod Touch containing 
> a later-generation Broadcomm chip than is in the iPhone 3GS. This is 
> capable of supporting the faster 802.11N wireless connections, and FM 
> reception, although neither of these functions is currently active in 
> the iPod Touch 3G. It's possibile these features could be activated 
> in a later software release by Apple.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> hank smith wrote:
> 
> > - Original Message -
> >
> > From: "Esther" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Søren,
> >
> > The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the $99
> > price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that qualifies it
> > for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support
> > VoiceOver. Here are a couple more of the features of the Third
> > Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge review:
> >
> > 
> > For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific hardware
> > changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for even
> > better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t
> > discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone devices,
> > this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior model’s CPU
> > and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the device’s
> > clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special effects to
> > its graphics arsenal.
> >
> > 
> > The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support, while
> > the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower, the
> > iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a difference
> > which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future touch
> > games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both the
> > touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.
> > 
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Esther
> >
> > Søren jensen wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb version. I
> >> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb version. Does
> >> somebody
> >> know if the 8 gb version also have Voiceover included?
> >> Best regards:
> >> Søren Jensen
> >> Mail & MSN:
> >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> >> Website:
> >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> 











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Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?

[chris polk]

b/c it is in the manual, and I've used it to have someone look at  
something on my screen.

Chris

On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:10 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

> How do you know?
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chris polk
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
>
> it is actually taking a snap shot of the screen when you hear this  
> noise.
>
> hth
> Chris
>
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
>
>> I forgot to ask.   Do you hear that camera noise by holding power  
>> and pressing the home key when the touch is already on, or does it  
>> have to be off before you execute this sequence?
>> K.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
>>
>> The FM radio is rumored to be coming. I've noticed that pressing  
>> and holding power and pressing the home key on myiPod touch  
>> produces a camera noise. I'm not sure if images are taken or what.  
>> But if someone could check this out, that'd be great.
>>
>> > From: mori...@mac.com
>> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
>> > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:19:12 -1000
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Hank,
>> >
>> > hank smith wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > what ipod touch models have voice over and can you run 
>> all iphone
>> > > apps on
>> > > it?
>> > >
>> >
>> > The 32GB and 64GB iPod Touch 3G models have VoiceOver. There is no
>> > iPod Touch model on which you can run all the iPhone apps, since
>> > clearly the apps that support phone functions, or that rely on 3G
>> > network connectivity or GPS or built-in compass will not find these
>> > properties built into an iPod Touch. Nor will the apps that use the
>> > camera. In principle, you could run a GPS app that uses a dock-
>> > mounted GPS unit plugged into the base of the iPod Touch. I was
>> > interested in the TomTom app for that reason, because the holder  
>> that
>> > they sell for mounting the iPhone for car use contains a GPS  
>> signal in
>> > the dock connector that plugs into the base of the iPhone to boost
>> > signal. This means that it can also supply GPS functionality to an
>> > iPod Touch. In principal, any GPS app could then be used with the
>> > iPod touch. Other tear-down reports tell of the iPod Touch  
>> containing
>> > a later-generation Broadcomm chip than is in the iPhone 3GS. This  
>> is
>> > capable of supporting the faster 802.11N wireless connections,  
>> and FM
>> > reception, although neither of these functions is currently  
>> active in
>> > the iPod Touch 3G. It's possibile these features could be activated
>> > in a later software release by Apple.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Esther
>> > hank smith wrote:
>> >
>> > > - Original Message -
>> > >
>> > > From: "Esther" 
>> > > To: 
>> > > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:11 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: Does the Ipod touch 3g 8 gb talk?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi Søren,
>> > >
>> > > The iPod Touch 3G in the 8GB version was introduced to fill the  
>> $99
>> > > price point offering. It does not have the same CPU that  
>> qualifies it
>> > > for the "3GS" designation with the speed and capacity to support
>> > > VoiceOver. Here are a couple more of the features of the Third
>> > > Generation iPod Touch excerpted from the recent iLounge 
>> review:
>> > >
>> > > 
>> > > For the new iPod touch, Apple has promised only two specific  
>> hardware
>> > > changes: “up to 50 percent faster performance” and “support for  
>> even
>> > > better graphics with OpenGL ES 2.0.” Though the company doesn’t
>> > > discuss the specifics of its components in iPod or iPhone  
>> devices,
>> > > this has been accomplished by a replacement of the prior  
>> model’s CPU
>> > > and graphics processor with newer, faster parts, upping the  
>> device’s
>> > > clock speed to approximately 800MHz and adding new special  
>> effects to
>> > > its graphics arsenal.
>> > >
>> > > 
>> > > The iPod touch and iPhone 3GS both include Nike + iPod support,  
>> while
>> > > the iPhone 3G does not. In terms of raw processing horsepower,  
>> the
>> > > iPod touch bests both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 3G, a  
>> difference
>> > > which will lead to marginally better-looking graphics on future  
>> touch
>> > > games than 3GS games, but significantly better graphics on both  
>> the
>> > > touch and 3GS than the iPhone 3G.
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > >
>> > > Esther
>> > >
>> > > Søren jensen wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi.
>> > >>
>> > >> It seems as Apple have made an Ipod touch 3g in the 8 gb  
>> version. I
>> > >> thought there only were a 32 gb version and a 64 gb ver