Re: Skype and Voice Over.
shame we can't script it in snowleopard? On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:32, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi, > > this has been a great thread - lots of good information. There really > is no way to create a keyboard shortcut for answering a Skype call? > Too bad, as that would be the most useful Skype command to access from > the keyboard. > > Best, > Anna > > > On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> I read Johnathan's reply as well and I've created some shortcuts >> here. >> >> Firstly, you need to ensure that what you wish to create a shortcut >> for is in the menu system of Skype, for example creating a shortcut >> for "Answer" won't work because an "Answer" command is not in the >> "Call" menu, unlike the PC version of Skype. >> >> Next you must type the description of the function you wish to >> create a keyboard shortcut for as it appears, for example "Hang Up", >> is a command which appears in the "Call" menu of Skype and I've >> created a keyboard shortcut of ctrl-command-f10 for this. >> >> • >> Open system Preferences and select "Keyboard and Mouse" >> Next select the "Keyboard Shortcuts" tab. >> Find the table listing the keyboard Shortcuts, interact with it and >> go to the bottom. >> Expand the "Applications" part of the table". >> Stop interacting with the table, VO-right and press the first button >> you come to, this is the "Add" button. >> Go to the "Applications" Menu and select "Skype" as the application >> you wish to create shortcut keys for. >> Vo-Right to the "Shortcut Description" area and Type the keyboard >> shortcut name in the "Shortcut description" field, for example "Hang >> Up" >> Vo-Right again to the "Keyboard shortcut" area and press the keys >> you wish to use for that shortcut, when done Press the "okay" button >> near the bottom of the window. >> >> I'm not sure whether you have to or can have the application you're >> defining keyboard shortcuts for active in the background, I usually >> exit that application just to be sure that keyboard shortcuts will >> be applied, I then exit "System Preferences" and run the >> application, in this instance Skype. >> >> >> On 06/09/2009, at 4:22 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello Jonathan and Everyone, >>> >>> After reading Jonathan's reply, I tried to create a keyboard >>> Shortcut for >>> hanging up a Skype Call but was unsuccessful. As I have never >>> attempted to >>> create a keyboard application Shortcut before, I would appreciate >>> any advice >>> on how to accomplish this. >>> >>> The steps I took which did not work were as follows: >>> >>> 1. >>> Keyboard Shortcuts under System Preferences. >>> >>> 2. >>> Selected the Applications area of the Dialog Box. >>> >>> 3. >>> From the Drop-down list I selected Skype.app. >>> >>> This is where I get confused. It would appear that I am to enter >>> the exact >>> menu command for the shortcut I wish to use. Where may I find a >>> list of >>> these Shortcuts. I tried typing in, "hangup" but this did not work. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. >>> Cohn >>> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:23 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. >>> >>> >>> 1. You do not have to script these keys. I was able to assign F9 and >>> F10 to call and hang up. System preferences keyboard and mouse has a >>> pane for keyboard shortcuts of menu items. I went down to the >>> applications area at the bottom (This is in plain old Leopard) and >>> added in skype application. >>> >>> In terms of recognizing on call vs off line. There are built-in >>> "groups" for this, and I have given instructions on this list on how >>> to enable the "on-line" predefined group. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:52 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> no it doesn't voiceover also has no hang up or answer hotkeys but I guess we can script them. Nor does it tell us, who is online, away in skype me mode, etc Will On 5 Sep 2009, at 11:40, Jesse Bollinger wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I find skype very easy to use with VO but I do have a question. > When I > am on Windows it causes my screen reader to shut off when I'm in a > call. > I haven't had a voice chat with anyone using the mac yet. Does VO > turn > off during the call? > > Thanks, > > Jesse > >> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~
RE: Skype and Voice Over.
Since I find that I am using Skype a great deal on the Mac, I created a VO Commander sequence that opens Skype. I use Right-Option+k. Big thanks to Cara for outlining this feature for me in a recent discussion. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:09 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. shame we can't script it in snowleopard? On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:32, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi, > > this has been a great thread - lots of good information. There really > is no way to create a keyboard shortcut for answering a Skype call? > Too bad, as that would be the most useful Skype command to access from > the keyboard. > > Best, > Anna > > > On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> I read Johnathan's reply as well and I've created some shortcuts >> here. >> >> Firstly, you need to ensure that what you wish to create a shortcut >> for is in the menu system of Skype, for example creating a shortcut >> for "Answer" won't work because an "Answer" command is not in the >> "Call" menu, unlike the PC version of Skype. >> >> Next you must type the description of the function you wish to >> create a keyboard shortcut for as it appears, for example "Hang Up", >> is a command which appears in the "Call" menu of Skype and I've >> created a keyboard shortcut of ctrl-command-f10 for this. >> >> . >> Open system Preferences and select "Keyboard and Mouse" >> Next select the "Keyboard Shortcuts" tab. >> Find the table listing the keyboard Shortcuts, interact with it and >> go to the bottom. >> Expand the "Applications" part of the table". >> Stop interacting with the table, VO-right and press the first button >> you come to, this is the "Add" button. >> Go to the "Applications" Menu and select "Skype" as the application >> you wish to create shortcut keys for. >> Vo-Right to the "Shortcut Description" area and Type the keyboard >> shortcut name in the "Shortcut description" field, for example "Hang >> Up" >> Vo-Right again to the "Keyboard shortcut" area and press the keys >> you wish to use for that shortcut, when done Press the "okay" button >> near the bottom of the window. >> >> I'm not sure whether you have to or can have the application you're >> defining keyboard shortcuts for active in the background, I usually >> exit that application just to be sure that keyboard shortcuts will >> be applied, I then exit "System Preferences" and run the >> application, in this instance Skype. >> >> >> On 06/09/2009, at 4:22 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello Jonathan and Everyone, >>> >>> After reading Jonathan's reply, I tried to create a keyboard >>> Shortcut for >>> hanging up a Skype Call but was unsuccessful. As I have never >>> attempted to >>> create a keyboard application Shortcut before, I would appreciate >>> any advice >>> on how to accomplish this. >>> >>> The steps I took which did not work were as follows: >>> >>> 1. >>> Keyboard Shortcuts under System Preferences. >>> >>> 2. >>> Selected the Applications area of the Dialog Box. >>> >>> 3. >>> From the Drop-down list I selected Skype.app. >>> >>> This is where I get confused. It would appear that I am to enter >>> the exact >>> menu command for the shortcut I wish to use. Where may I find a >>> list of >>> these Shortcuts. I tried typing in, "hangup" but this did not work. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. >>> Cohn >>> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:23 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. >>> >>> >>> 1. You do not have to script these keys. I was able to assign F9 and >>> F10 to call and hang up. System preferences keyboard and mouse has a >>> pane for keyboard shortcuts of menu items. I went down to the >>> applications area at the bottom (This is in plain old Leopard) and >>> added in skype application. >>> >>> In terms of recognizing on call vs off line. There are built-in >>> "groups" for this, and I have given instructions on this list on how >>> to enable the "on-line" predefined group. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:52 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> no it doesn't voiceover also has no hang up or answer hotkeys but I guess we can script them. Nor does it tell us, who is online, away in skype me mode, etc Will On 5 Sep 2009, at 11:40, Jesse Bollinger wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I find skype very easy to use with VO but I do have a question. > When I > am on Windows it causes my screen reader to shut off when I'm in a > call. > I haven't had a voice chat with anyone using the mac yet. Does VO > turn > off during the call? > > Thanks, > > Jesse > >>
Re: male in snowleopard and gmail
Hello list members I've fixed th mail isue by simply reinstalling sl. I'd recomen to any new adopter f sl to not do an upgrade because of problems like the mail issue. On 2009-09-04, at 1:35 PM, Rich Ring wrote: > > I am experiencing the same problem, I set up a gmail account under > SL and > the settings are correct, but it will not send or receive. Also, on a > completely different subject, I purchased a Mac Mini last Saturday > so that I > could learn to use and appreciate the Mac. Web pages download so > slowly > that it makes the machine impractical to use. I am now being told > that in > order to fix this problem I'm going to have to purchase a monitor. > That's > insane! > Windows may be bad, but I can use a Windows machine without a > monitor, and I > can send and receive email on one as well. > I am just a bit frustrated with my Mac experience right now. > > - Original Message - > From: "matthew Campbell" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 11:49 AM > Subject: Re: male in snowleopard and gmail > > > > Can't do sending or receiving. It's real weird. > > On 9/4/09, Jessi and Goldina wrote: >> >> I was definitely having major gmail issues when I first installed SL >> and I tried so many things that I'm not sure how they finally got >> fixed, lol. my issues were that I could send mail fine, but I'd set >> up >> my two accounts in mail and one would receive and the other wouldn't. >> I think what I ended up doing that fixed it was I deleted the "mail" >> folder out of my library and then reloaded mail, and it looked like >> I'd never launched it before. then I put both accounts back in and >> made sure all the settings and port numbers were correct and they >> eventually worked. it was quite a process though!! I hope you can get >> yours fixed!! >> Jessi and Goldina >> On 2009-09-04, at 8:11 AM, matthew Campbell wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi list I'm now running snowleopard and I've just upgraded my >>> accounts. They aren't working. >>> I've tried re adding them but nothing works. >>> Is anyone else having issues with gmail and apple male 4? >>> Any help would be awesome. >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Skype and Voice Over.
You could of course have Skype start up automatically upon system start-up too! On 07/09/2009, at 5:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Since I find that I am using Skype a great deal on the Mac, I > created a VO > Commander sequence that opens Skype. I use Right-Option+k. > > Big thanks to Cara for outlining this feature for me in a recent > discussion. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:09 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. > > > shame we can't script it in snowleopard? > > On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:32, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> this has been a great thread - lots of good information. There really >> is no way to create a keyboard shortcut for answering a Skype call? >> Too bad, as that would be the most useful Skype command to access >> from >> the keyboard. >> >> Best, >> Anna >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> I read Johnathan's reply as well and I've created some shortcuts >>> here. >>> >>> Firstly, you need to ensure that what you wish to create a shortcut >>> for is in the menu system of Skype, for example creating a shortcut >>> for "Answer" won't work because an "Answer" command is not in the >>> "Call" menu, unlike the PC version of Skype. >>> >>> Next you must type the description of the function you wish to >>> create a keyboard shortcut for as it appears, for example "Hang Up", >>> is a command which appears in the "Call" menu of Skype and I've >>> created a keyboard shortcut of ctrl-command-f10 for this. >>> >>> . >>> Open system Preferences and select "Keyboard and Mouse" >>> Next select the "Keyboard Shortcuts" tab. >>> Find the table listing the keyboard Shortcuts, interact with it and >>> go to the bottom. >>> Expand the "Applications" part of the table". >>> Stop interacting with the table, VO-right and press the first button >>> you come to, this is the "Add" button. >>> Go to the "Applications" Menu and select "Skype" as the application >>> you wish to create shortcut keys for. >>> Vo-Right to the "Shortcut Description" area and Type the keyboard >>> shortcut name in the "Shortcut description" field, for example "Hang >>> Up" >>> Vo-Right again to the "Keyboard shortcut" area and press the keys >>> you wish to use for that shortcut, when done Press the "okay" button >>> near the bottom of the window. >>> >>> I'm not sure whether you have to or can have the application you're >>> defining keyboard shortcuts for active in the background, I usually >>> exit that application just to be sure that keyboard shortcuts will >>> be applied, I then exit "System Preferences" and run the >>> application, in this instance Skype. >>> >>> >>> On 06/09/2009, at 4:22 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> Hello Jonathan and Everyone, After reading Jonathan's reply, I tried to create a keyboard Shortcut for hanging up a Skype Call but was unsuccessful. As I have never attempted to create a keyboard application Shortcut before, I would appreciate any advice on how to accomplish this. The steps I took which did not work were as follows: 1. Keyboard Shortcuts under System Preferences. 2. Selected the Applications area of the Dialog Box. 3. From the Drop-down list I selected Skype.app. This is where I get confused. It would appear that I am to enter the exact menu command for the shortcut I wish to use. Where may I find a list of these Shortcuts. I tried typing in, "hangup" but this did not work. Thank you, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Cohn Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:23 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. 1. You do not have to script these keys. I was able to assign F9 and F10 to call and hang up. System preferences keyboard and mouse has a pane for keyboard shortcuts of menu items. I went down to the applications area at the bottom (This is in plain old Leopard) and added in skype application. In terms of recognizing on call vs off line. There are built-in "groups" for this, and I have given instructions on this list on how to enable the "on-line" predefined group. Jon On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:52 AM, william lomas wrote: > > no it doesn't > voiceover also has no hang up or answer hotkeys > but I guess we can script them. Nor does it tell us, who is > online, > away in skype me mode, etc > Will > On 5 Sep 2009, at 11:40, Jesse Bollinger wrote: > >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I
RE: Skype and Voice Over.
Yes, thank you, I know. However, I have never taken to the idea of having too many things startup automatically. (Smile) I suppose it's because I am a control freak. Just kidding. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:29 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. You could of course have Skype start up automatically upon system start-up too! On 07/09/2009, at 5:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Since I find that I am using Skype a great deal on the Mac, I > created a VO > Commander sequence that opens Skype. I use Right-Option+k. > > Big thanks to Cara for outlining this feature for me in a recent > discussion. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:09 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. > > > shame we can't script it in snowleopard? > > On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:32, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> this has been a great thread - lots of good information. There really >> is no way to create a keyboard shortcut for answering a Skype call? >> Too bad, as that would be the most useful Skype command to access >> from >> the keyboard. >> >> Best, >> Anna >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> I read Johnathan's reply as well and I've created some shortcuts >>> here. >>> >>> Firstly, you need to ensure that what you wish to create a shortcut >>> for is in the menu system of Skype, for example creating a shortcut >>> for "Answer" won't work because an "Answer" command is not in the >>> "Call" menu, unlike the PC version of Skype. >>> >>> Next you must type the description of the function you wish to >>> create a keyboard shortcut for as it appears, for example "Hang Up", >>> is a command which appears in the "Call" menu of Skype and I've >>> created a keyboard shortcut of ctrl-command-f10 for this. >>> >>> . >>> Open system Preferences and select "Keyboard and Mouse" >>> Next select the "Keyboard Shortcuts" tab. >>> Find the table listing the keyboard Shortcuts, interact with it and >>> go to the bottom. >>> Expand the "Applications" part of the table". >>> Stop interacting with the table, VO-right and press the first button >>> you come to, this is the "Add" button. >>> Go to the "Applications" Menu and select "Skype" as the application >>> you wish to create shortcut keys for. >>> Vo-Right to the "Shortcut Description" area and Type the keyboard >>> shortcut name in the "Shortcut description" field, for example "Hang >>> Up" >>> Vo-Right again to the "Keyboard shortcut" area and press the keys >>> you wish to use for that shortcut, when done Press the "okay" button >>> near the bottom of the window. >>> >>> I'm not sure whether you have to or can have the application you're >>> defining keyboard shortcuts for active in the background, I usually >>> exit that application just to be sure that keyboard shortcuts will >>> be applied, I then exit "System Preferences" and run the >>> application, in this instance Skype. >>> >>> >>> On 06/09/2009, at 4:22 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> Hello Jonathan and Everyone, After reading Jonathan's reply, I tried to create a keyboard Shortcut for hanging up a Skype Call but was unsuccessful. As I have never attempted to create a keyboard application Shortcut before, I would appreciate any advice on how to accomplish this. The steps I took which did not work were as follows: 1. Keyboard Shortcuts under System Preferences. 2. Selected the Applications area of the Dialog Box. 3. From the Drop-down list I selected Skype.app. This is where I get confused. It would appear that I am to enter the exact menu command for the shortcut I wish to use. Where may I find a list of these Shortcuts. I tried typing in, "hangup" but this did not work. Thank you, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Cohn Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:23 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. 1. You do not have to script these keys. I was able to assign F9 and F10 to call and hang up. System preferences keyboard and mouse has a pane for keyboard shortcuts of menu items. I went down to the applications area at the bottom (This is in plain old Leopard) and added in skype application. In terms of recognizing on call vs off line. There are built-in "groups" for this, and I have given instructions on this list on
Re: Skype and Voice Over.
Hi everyone, I'm adding in to this thread as it is related. I have previously asked about this issue but haven't resolved it yet. When it comes to conversing (chatting) with someone on skype, i know how to go to the mainframe, interact with it, and look at the conversation. Adding text is also fine. But once i get a new message the frame doesn't update the conversation. forcing me to close the window and reopen it to interact again with the mainframe etc. I have had some suggestions, mainly about hitting shift vo and right arrow to go beyond the last message before the convo update, but it doesn't work either. Since i use skype a fair bit, especially with my work colleagues, i do require to write quite lengthy messages at a frequent rate. ANd close and reopening the convo box isn't an option for me. Does anyone know how to resolve this issue? Thanks yall, and best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
A Question and a Statement from Mark
Hello All, The Question: Because of the enormous email list traffic, I have begun to experiment with using the threaded view in the Mac Mail client. I have spent a lot of time working with it and I don't know if I am being efficient in my navigation techniques. Here is what I have noticed. I would greatly appreciate any tips on this: 1. I use the Left and Right arrow keys to expand and collapse a thread. However, I cannot get VoiceOver to tell me how many messages are in a thread even though I am told that the number appears just to the left of the "From" field in the thread header. I wish I could have this number read aloud by VoiceOver so I could decide whether or not to expand the thread. Can this be done? 2. While I can use the VoiceOver Table navigation keys to place the focus on any row and then simply move up or down to read the respective columns, such as the Subject, I find that when I do this, I can no longer hear if the message. Thread, etc has been read or not. As a result, I must move the VO cursor back to the Left in order to check the status. 3. If I use the VO+R command, I hear the entire row, minus the number of messages. I really don't need every single column read. 4. One thing I think is really nice is that if I tap the Enter key on a thread header, each related message is opened in its own window in the correct chronological order. After reading the window, I only need tap Command+W to work my way through the thread. 5. Can VoiceOver be set to automatically begin reading an email when the message is opened in its own window? I have been reading and re-reading and re-reading the documentation but there are so many things to learn. As the saying goes, "The getting of true knowledge is never easy." (Smile) Again, all replies welcome. The Comment: I have learned that there are some on the list who prefer that I not list the person to whom I am addressing in the subject line of my replies. In the spirit of community, I will no longer do this. My primary reason for having done it was to alert those to whom I am addressing. There have been many times when someone has requested my attention but I miss the message because after a while my mind just glazes over after reading a couple hundred posts. (Smile) So, if anyone wants to be sure to get my attention, even when sending an offline post, please put my name in the subject line to greater increase the chances of it being read. Most Sincerely, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To Hank: RE: attn m taylor
h running a beta of vmware 11 - Original Message - From: "Simon Cavendish" To: Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 3:17 AM Subject: Re: To Hank: RE: attn m taylor > > What's vmware 11? Aren't we on vmware 2.05 now? I'm confused. > > Simon > On 6 Sep 2009, at 09:08, hank smith wrote: > >> >> thanks >> also any way I could get fmware 11 >> if not no biggy >> thanks for the help on the keyboard mapping >> Hank >> - Original Message - >> From: "M. Taylor" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:03 PM >> Subject: To Hank: RE: attn m taylor >> >> >>> >>> >>> Hello Hank, >>> >>> First, I have reported this issue to V M Ware so it will be >>> interesting >>> how >>> they respond. >>> >>> Second, while I read about several solutions by Esther and on the >>> web, >>> after >>> a while I think I experienced information overload and got very >>> confused >>> on >>> this one. >>> >>> Third, seizing on the information posted by Esther, I made no >>> changes in >>> Windows but, rather, decided to opt for the Fusion interface based >>> solution. >>> >>> >>> I am not sure if this counts as a solution but I find that I can >>> live with >>> it at present. Here are the steps I took: >>> >>> 1. >>> From the Mac Desktop, I opened Fusion, which for me, automatically >>> opens >>> Windows 7 in a virtual machine. Note that at this point, I do not >>> turn >>> off >>> VoiceOver. Also note that I run Windows 7 Virtual machine as a full >>> screen. >>> >>> One more thing, I am currently using Beta 11 of Fusion so the menus >>> and >>> buttons described below may differ. >>> >>> 2. >>> Execute the Finder Menu command by entering VO+M. >>> >>> 3. >>> Open the V M Ware Fusion Menu in the Finder. >>> >>> 4. >>> Click Preferences. You see three Tabs labeled General, Keyboard & >>> Mouse, >>> and Default Applications. >>> >>> 5. >>> Select the Keyboard & Mouse Tab. You will see four Tabs labeled Key >>> Mappings, Mouse Shortcuts, Mac OS Shortcuts, and Fusion Shortcuts. >>> >>> 6. >>> Select the Key Mapping Tab which should be opened by default. >>> >>> 7. >>> Note: Make sure the Enable Key Mapping Checkbox is checked. >>> >>> In this Tab, you will discover a Table that lists the key mappings >>> that >>> are >>> currently being used. >>> >>> 8. >>> Once you move past the Table, there are two unlabelled buttons. >>> These two >>> buttons are Add and Remove. Do not be afraid of accidentally >>> Clicking the >>> Remove button for you cannot delete the existing key Mappings; you >>> can >>> only >>> change them. Anyway, the first of the two unlabelled buttons is >>> the Add >>> button. >>> >>> 9. >>> Select the Add button. This will cause a Window to open with a >>> "From" and >>> "To" multi-control field to appear. In simplest terms, with the >>> "From" >>> field in focus, you may either press the key on your keyboard that >>> you >>> wish >>> to emulate another key, in order to complete this field, or you may >>> invoke >>> the VO Popup menu command to select from a list. >>> >>> 10. >>> With the "To" field in focus, Invoke the VO Popup menu command and >>> select >>> the destination key. >>> >>> Close this menu in order to save your changes. >>> >>> By the way, on my MacBook Pro keyboard, I remapped the key directly >>> beneath >>> the Escape key as the CapsLock key. >>> >>> Good Luck, >>> >>> Mark >>> PS >>> As I am using a Beta of Fusion, I cannot post this information to >>> my BLOG. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of hank smith >>> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:04 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Cc: macvoiceo...@freelists.org >>> Subject: attn m taylor >>> >>> hello m taylor >>> can you tell me how to fix the vmware fusion problem with keyboard? >>> Hank >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Question and a Statement from Mark
How do you turn on threaded messaging? On 7 Sep 2009, at 08:58, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello All, > > The Question: > > Because of the enormous email list traffic, I have begun to > experiment with > using the threaded view in the Mac Mail client. > > I have spent a lot of time working with it and I don't know if I am > being > efficient in my navigation techniques. > > Here is what I have noticed. I would greatly appreciate any tips on > this: > > 1. > I use the Left and Right arrow keys to expand and collapse a thread. > However, I cannot get VoiceOver to tell me how many messages are in > a thread > even though I am told that the number appears just to the left of > the "From" > field in the thread header. I wish I could have this number read > aloud by > VoiceOver so I could decide whether or not to expand the thread. > Can this > be done? > > 2. > While I can use the VoiceOver Table navigation keys to place the > focus on > any row and then simply move up or down to read the respective > columns, such > as the Subject, I find that when I do this, I can no longer hear if > the > message. Thread, etc has been read or not. As a result, I must move > the VO > cursor back to the Left in order to check the status. > > 3. > If I use the VO+R command, I hear the entire row, minus the number of > messages. I really don't need every single column read. > > 4. > One thing I think is really nice is that if I tap the Enter key on a > thread > header, each related message is opened in its own window in the > correct > chronological order. After reading the window, I only need tap > Command+W to > work my way through the thread. > > 5. > Can VoiceOver be set to automatically begin reading an email when the > message is opened in its own window? > > I have been reading and re-reading and re-reading the documentation > but > there are so many things to learn. As the saying goes, "The getting > of true > knowledge is never easy." (Smile) > > Again, all replies welcome. > > The Comment: > I have learned that there are some on the list who prefer that I not > list > the person to whom I am addressing in the subject line of my > replies. In > the spirit of community, I will no longer do this. My primary > reason for > having done it was to alert those to whom I am addressing. There > have been > many times when someone has requested my attention but I miss the > message > because after a while my mind just glazes over after reading a couple > hundred posts. (Smile) So, if anyone wants to be sure to get my > attention, > even when sending an offline post, please put my name in the subject > line to > greater increase the chances of it being read. > > Most Sincerely, > > Mark > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
random application in sl asking for password
Good early morning list. I have this real random application asking me for a password every so often. It usually happens after a period of inactivity but not too sure. The weird thing about it is that I can't use any of the voiceover commands to find out what application it is. Can anyone help? Thanks much. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keyboard to use with garageband?
what keyboard did you buy her? can I get model number? and brand? - Original Message - From: "Jonathan C. Cohn" To: Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: keyboard to use with garageband? I don't know specifically about this keyboard. I did buy my daughter a keyboard with a USB port f when Garage band first cane out and it just worked with no drivers or software installs. If you have the keyboard just go ahead and try it out. Jonathan On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:41 PM, anouk radix wrote: > > Hello, I have a yamaha ypt403 keyboard which i use on occasion, it has > a usb port and can be used udner windows as a midi keyboard but it > needs a driver. Does anyone know if it can be used udner the mac as > well or what keyboards can be used with garageband? > Greetings, AnoukÎ > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Info for a Newby
Hey everyone, First, I'd like to thank folks for being so helpful with my posts. Its nice to post a question, and receive a response! I was just wondering if there was a good resource for finding out general information on the different applications that come with the Mac. I'm just realizing how little I understand about a lot of the programs on the Mac. I'm also wondering if there's a good resource for finding out Voice Over commands. I just read about the keyboard command for going to the end of the e-mail list, and wouldn't have found that if I didn't read that particular post. I'm just wondering if there's a place I can go to get a list of VO commands like that. I guess I'm just on a search for as much information as I can get from one location! Thanks for any points in the right direction! Justin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Info for a Newby
Hey. Try www.macccessibility.com. Sorry it's not a link but my brain is too tired to remember how to paste one in an email message. LOL. HTH. On 2009-09-07, at 4:39 AM, Justin Kauflin wrote: > > Hey everyone, First, I'd like to thank folks for being so helpful with > my posts. Its nice to post a question, and receive a response! I was > just wondering if there was a good resource for finding out general > information on the different applications that come with the Mac. I'm > just realizing how little I understand about a lot of the programs on > the Mac. I'm also wondering if there's a good resource for finding > out Voice Over commands. I just read about the keyboard command for > going to the end of the e-mail list, and wouldn't have found that if I > didn't read that particular post. I'm just wondering if there's a > place I can go to get a list of VO commands like that. I guess I'm > just on a search for as much information as I can get from one > location! Thanks for any points in the right direction! > Justin > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Info for a Newby
For me, the Apple web site has good material for beginners. There are many tutorials, video and text files. Granted, they are for sighted users, but if one remembers the voice over way to click a mouse, or to do the different things, they are helpful. That is why I am glad voice over was written to allow us to work the computer in the same way as would a sighted user. On Sep 7, 2009, at 3:39 AM, Justin Kauflin wrote: > > Hey everyone, First, I'd like to thank folks for being so helpful with > my posts. Its nice to post a question, and receive a response! I was > just wondering if there was a good resource for finding out general > information on the different applications that come with the Mac. I'm > just realizing how little I understand about a lot of the programs on > the Mac. I'm also wondering if there's a good resource for finding > out Voice Over commands. I just read about the keyboard command for > going to the end of the e-mail list, and wouldn't have found that if I > didn't read that particular post. I'm just wondering if there's a > place I can go to get a list of VO commands like that. I guess I'm > just on a search for as much information as I can get from one > location! Thanks for any points in the right direction! > Justin > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
It has arrived
Hi my snowleopard disc has arrived. I noted the casing ie. the packaging, is a lot slimmer now --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
music applications on the mac
Hello everyone, i know there is garageband of course but I wonder if there is an application for the mac like sonar is for windows? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
nisus writer pro, opening certain documents
Hello, i just tried to open one of my lawbooks which has a.doc extension but i suspect its a wordperfect file although i am not sure, textedit opens it but it is very slow, anyhow with nisus writer when i try to open this file it says i need to install rosetta. Why is this, this seem s very strange to me... Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Info for a Newby
Hello Justin, If you press Control-Option-h twice, you'll get the VO commands menu. There are 13 menus, each with its own submenu. Its interesting to read through them all to get an idea of what's available. You'll never take them all in at once, but at least you'll have an idea where to look when you're hunting for a command. Also, if you find a command you want to use then and there, you just press Return to execute it. When you open an application for the first time, it's always a good idea to explore its menus and preferences. You find an application's preferences by pressing Command-comma. You should not forget the Help, either. Almost every application has its Help to get you started. Cheers, Anne On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:39 AM, Justin Kauflin wrote: > > Hey everyone, First, I'd like to thank folks for being so helpful with > my posts. Its nice to post a question, and receive a response! I was > just wondering if there was a good resource for finding out general > information on the different applications that come with the Mac. I'm > just realizing how little I understand about a lot of the programs on > the Mac. I'm also wondering if there's a good resource for finding > out Voice Over commands. I just read about the keyboard command for > going to the end of the e-mail list, and wouldn't have found that if I > didn't read that particular post. I'm just wondering if there's a > place I can go to get a list of VO commands like that. I guess I'm > just on a search for as much information as I can get from one > location! Thanks for any points in the right direction! > Justin > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Reading from the cursor down
VO-a that is the VO-keys and the letter a. On Sep 6, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Kamal Haffar wrote: > > Hi all: > > Is there a VoiceOver function to allow you to read from the current > cursor position to the end of the document? I am working with a > university textbook which I received in RTF format. I would like to > be able to listen to VoiceOver read the text for me and allow me to > stop at different points so I can make notes, etc... > > Cheers, > > Kamal > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
audio higjack pro
hi in snowleopard can one use audio highjack for system and mike audio? Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Infovox iVox voices in foreign languages testers needed
hi david , i would like to try the russian voices. can you let me know if i can, i have the russian account and i am considering to buy this aditional language . rossy Il giorno 06/set/2009, alle ore 19.11, David Niemeijer ha scritto: > > Hi, > > We now have quite a number of voices in the Infovox iVox 2 public > beta. In addition to the languages made available when the public beta > was announced we have now also added Dutch, Flemish/Belgian Dutch and > Danish. We could still use some pre-pubic beta testers for the > following languages: > > Portuguese > Brazilian Portuguese > Finnish > Arabic > Turkish > Czech > Greek > Russian > Polish > > If you are interested in contributing to these "private" tests ahead > of the public beta for the above languages please contact me off-list. > We need at most 2 testers per language (on first come-first serve > basis). There is no remuneration for this testing. We expect you to do > serious stress testing of the voices with VoiceOver. > > To express your interest send an email to supp...@assistiveware.com > with the subject "iVox 2 testing" and in the contents mention at the > very least the language(s) you want to test, your current Infovox iVox > activation code(s) if any, your mother tongue, the Mac OS X versions > you plan to test on and your computer model. > > Thanks, > > david. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Webkit
What exactly is web kit? Is it a replacement for Safari? On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > I'm still using this application under Leopard, has anyone tried it > with Snow leopard, what do you think? > > > > ** > > Dane Trethowan > From Melton Victoria Australia > mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net > Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane > blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com > Phone United Kingdom > 02032874641 > Phone Australia > 0390058589 > Phone United States > 8159261869 > Fax: > +61 3 9743 7954x > MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net > skype:grtdane12 > > ** > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
cursors
could someone give me a quick rundown as to how cursors should be set. thanks Keith __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4401 (20090906) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: audio higjack pro
Not yet as far as I know as the Instant Hijack feature is not SL compatible. But you're best bet is to check the AHP website. Take care James - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind" Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: audio higjack pro > > hi in snowleopard can one use audio highjack for system and mike audio? > Will > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Webkit
As far as I know its the engine that Safari uses. On 07/09/2009, at 8:02 PM, dannyboy wrote: > > What exactly is web kit? > Is it a replacement for Safari? > On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I'm still using this application under Leopard, has anyone tried it >> with Snow leopard, what do you think? >> >> >> >> ** >> >> Dane Trethowan >> From Melton Victoria Australia >> mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane >> blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com >> Phone United Kingdom >> 02032874641 >> Phone Australia >> 0390058589 >> Phone United States >> 8159261869 >> Fax: >> +61 3 9743 7954x >> MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net >> skype:grtdane12 >> >> ** >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Webkit
Yes it is the engine for Safari and some other browsers as well. Unless your really having some issue, you shouldn't need Webkit unless you like to see how the bleeding edge works. On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:44 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > As far as I know its the engine that Safari uses. > > > On 07/09/2009, at 8:02 PM, dannyboy wrote: > >> >> What exactly is web kit? >> Is it a replacement for Safari? >> On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I'm still using this application under Leopard, has anyone tried it >>> with Snow leopard, what do you think? >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Dane Trethowan >>> From Melton Victoria Australia >>> mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane >>> blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com >>> Phone United Kingdom >>> 02032874641 >>> Phone Australia >>> 0390058589 >>> Phone United States >>> 8159261869 >>> Fax: >>> +61 3 9743 7954x >>> MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net >>> skype:grtdane12 >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
using macbook with closed lid?
Hi everyone, i go to school with my laptop everyday by bus, this ride takers 45 minutes. I always take my dog with me. I would like to use my laptop for studyig diring this time but there is not much room. Luckily i have a quite compact braille display and the new os x has bluetooth support. But is it possible to use my mbp with the lid closed? Normally it goes on standby but since i can scroll through a document with just my braille display i wouyld like to be able to keep my laptop in its case and just my braille display on my lap, there is no room for the whole deal. Can anyone tell me if this is possible, i cant find it in energy saver. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Webkit
That's why I asked some time ago when people were talking about odd behavior with Safari, had they tried using Webkit and had they noted any differences? Now I'm still using Leopard here but it seems to me that Webkit loads a lot of web pages faster than Safari does. On 07/09/2009, at 8:57 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Yes it is the engine for Safari and some other browsers as well. > Unless your really having some issue, you shouldn't need Webkit unless > you like to see how the bleeding edge works. > On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:44 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> >> As far as I know its the engine that Safari uses. >> >> >> On 07/09/2009, at 8:02 PM, dannyboy wrote: >> >>> >>> What exactly is web kit? >>> Is it a replacement for Safari? >>> On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> Hi! I'm still using this application under Leopard, has anyone tried it with Snow leopard, what do you think? ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
Hi, Clickable is a valid html element that turns an item into something like a link with a few minor different properties. You should be able to click the mouse cursor on one of these items and and some action should occur. If the site you cite has items labeled clickable that are not it is because their html and/or JavaScript is broken. Whatever content pops up or is otherwise presented to you when you click on such an object is up to the authors of the page and is not a function of the clickable property, Safari or pretty much anything else you use. For more on this, you can look at the web content guidelines or, more to the point for your issue, the web content accessibility guidelines and the web user agent guidelines. The WCAG tells web authors how to make the clickable item accessible and the UAG tells screen reader and other access technology authors how it should be presented to the user. All of these guidelines plus lots more great stuff can be found at: www.w3c.org/wai . The WAI stands for web accessibility initiative. Happy Eugene Debbs Day, cdh On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:33 AM, Justin Harford wrote: > > Hello > On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> Those things that VO has >> reported as being clickable have in fact been clickable > > OK very well. So in this article > > http://www.examiner.com/x-6741-SF-Family-Examiner~y2009m9d6-Boy-11-stabbed-on-SF-bus-Friday-nearly-dies > > pretty much every single item of text in the article itself is > clickable. I did vo space on one of the blocks of text, and it did > nothing. I then clicked on it with the mouse and it gave me a spam > window. When I say text items, I mean the text of the article. So > again, you insist that this is all clickable, but then how is it > clickable when I click on it and it either does nothing, or gives me a > pop-up? > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
Dude, switch to the decaf, the people on this list all (to my knowledge) volunteers and they do their best to help each other out. Further examination of your "clickable" issues may be indicated but you needn't be so snotty about it. Happy Alexander Berkman Day, cdh On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:33 AM, Justin Harford wrote: > > Hello > On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> Those things that VO has >> reported as being clickable have in fact been clickable > > OK very well. So in this article > > http://www.examiner.com/x-6741-SF-Family-Examiner~y2009m9d6-Boy-11-stabbed-on-SF-bus-Friday-nearly-dies > > pretty much every single item of text in the article itself is > clickable. I did vo space on one of the blocks of text, and it did > nothing. I then clicked on it with the mouse and it gave me a spam > window. When I say text items, I mean the text of the article. So > again, you insist that this is all clickable, but then how is it > clickable when I click on it and it either does nothing, or gives me a > pop-up? > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
installed
hi I now have snowleopard installed. I noted that you ahve to keep going back into the roter announcements popup menu to choose what you want spoken. THre is a lot of verbosity here, smile, so will take a while to get it just right. Overall so far I am happy with the OS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: using macbook with closed lid?
why is ... voiceover ... pausing ... like this when reading mails? he is no longer breathing under SL? On 7 Sep 2009, at 12:04, anouk radix wrote: > > Hi everyone, i go to school with my laptop everyday by bus, this ride > takers 45 minutes. I always take my dog with me. I would like to use > my laptop for studyig diring this time but there is not much room. > Luckily i have a quite compact braille display and the new os x has > bluetooth support. But is it possible to use my mbp with the lid > closed? Normally it goes on standby but since i can scroll through a > document with just my braille display i wouyld like to be able to keep > my laptop in its case and just my braille display on my lap, there is > no room for the whole deal. > Can anyone tell me if this is possible, i cant find it in energy > saver. > Greetings, Anouk > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: nes game emulators that work with vo?
A few years back I used a NES emulator called nestopia. At the time it worked really well. This was in the Tiger days though, so that may have changed. If you try it, let us know your findings. Darcy On 2009-09-06, at 3:14 AM, hank smith wrote: > hello any one know of any nes game emulators that work with vo? > Hank > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: pod cast 11, new features of voiceover now available
Hi, This may sound like a non-sequitur as I was happy to let the podcast stream from the site. First, I'd like to thank you for such a terrific podcast. While I had read lists of "What's New," your demonstrations really drove a lot home and I'm using more of the new things already. One item that I am very picky about, though, is the debate about the insertion point. to start, always announcing the character, word or whatever to the right of the caret is not a "Windows" thing. It was invented by Peter Korn in one of the really early versions of outSPOKEn - at that time, the only screen reader for Macintosh. Virtually all screen readers, on all OS, since have followed suit. Now, let's pretend we are sighted. If we are in the word cursor and the caret is between the "r" and the "s" and we move the insertion point by using the right arrow the visual representation puts a blinking vertical line between the "s" and the "o." So, is the caret to the right of the "s" (what was the default character to announce in Leopard) or is it to the left of the "o?" there are three correct answers, it's to the right of the "s," it's to the left of the "o" and it's between the two. A solution that claims some sort of primacy should either announce all three of the possibilities or select one which, keeping with tradition," would be the character to the right. Why history is valuable here: If we take a census of our VO mailing lists, I think we'll find that most people have used one or more other screen readers in the past. Navigating text is about the most used task any of us have used before so, as Apple wants to attract new customers from the community of people with vision impairment, it is logical that the transition is made as easy as possible. I'm not suggesting cloning JAWS but, rather, if *all* other screen readers do something one way and there is no real innovative reason for changing it, stick to what has worked in the past. Ok, go ahead, put a picture of old cdh on the dartboard... One other note on vocabulary in your podcast: you seemed to use the words "cursor" in the place of "caret." The cursor is the thing the mous moves and the caret is the term used for the blinking item at the insertion point. Ok, hear come the rotten tomatoes, I can't help it, I went to Harvard to graduate school in English and can't stop myself... Happy Victor Gottbaum Day, cdh On Sep 6, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Keith Brown wrote: > > thanks for your help, unfortunately when i tried this the podcast just > streamed from the net. i.e no download. > Keith 6 Sep 2009, at 20:19, Robert Carter wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> Assuming that you are using a Mac, when you are on the Blind Cool >> Tech >> site and sitting on the link for Mike's podcast, press option+enter >> to >> start the download. >> >> Robert Carter >> On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Keith Brown wrote: >> >>> >>> how can i download the podcast? when I click on it it just starts. I >>> obviously don't mind listening, however, I would like to download it >>> and take it away on another device. any help would bee appreciated. >>> >>> thanks >>> Keith On 6 Sep 2009, at 17:00, Mike Argil wrote: >>> Hey everyone, ok, by popular request, smile, pod cast 11 is now on blind cool tech. This one is dedicated to the new features of voice over in snow leopard, here is the link. http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1382NewFeaturesInVoiceOver.mp3 > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clickable
Hi, Another thought: You say that you are navigating by "text block" which may report clickable if anything in the block indeed has the clickable property. You may want to navigate in smaller chunks so as to find out which word/words have the clickable property. Happy Jack Reed Day, cdh On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > > Hi, > > Clickable is a valid html element that turns an item into something > like a link with a few minor different properties. You should be able > to click the mouse cursor on one of these items and and some action > should occur. If the site you cite has items labeled clickable that > are not it is because their html and/or JavaScript is broken. > Whatever content pops up or is otherwise presented to you when you > click on such an object is up to the authors of the page and is not a > function of the clickable property, Safari or pretty much anything > else you use. > > For more on this, you can look at the web content guidelines or, more > to the point for your issue, the web content accessibility guidelines > and the web user agent guidelines. The WCAG tells web authors how to > make the clickable item accessible and the UAG tells screen reader and > other access technology authors how it should be presented to the > user. > > All of these guidelines plus lots more great stuff can be found at: > www.w3c.org/wai > . The WAI stands for web accessibility initiative. > > Happy Eugene Debbs Day, > cdh > On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:33 AM, Justin Harford wrote: > >> >> Hello >> On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> Those things that VO has >>> reported as being clickable have in fact been clickable >> >> OK very well. So in this article >> >> http://www.examiner.com/x-6741-SF-Family-Examiner~y2009m9d6-Boy-11-stabbed-on-SF-bus-Friday-nearly-dies >> >> pretty much every single item of text in the article itself is >> clickable. I did vo space on one of the blocks of text, and it did >> nothing. I then clicked on it with the mouse and it gave me a spam >> window. When I say text items, I mean the text of the article. So >> again, you insist that this is all clickable, but then how is it >> clickable when I click on it and it either does nothing, or gives >> me a >> pop-up? >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: pod cast 11, new features of voiceover now available
I also enjoy the new option to read the text to the right. Call me a windows bot if you want but after using the evil Jaws for nearly 12 years now it's just what I'm comfortable with. I'm glad to hear this cursor reading wasn't invented by Jaws though so it can't be labeled as "VO trying to act like Windows" which must be like the end of the world. Lol. Since I got Snow Leopard I've been using the laptop more oftin because of quick nav and this cursor feature. Jesse --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: using macbook with closed lid?
I know this is possible if the computer is connected to an external video display. I have no idea about the braille though. Why not try it out and let us know. Jon On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:04 AM, anouk radix wrote: > > Hi everyone, i go to school with my laptop everyday by bus, this ride > takers 45 minutes. I always take my dog with me. I would like to use > my laptop for studyig diring this time but there is not much room. > Luckily i have a quite compact braille display and the new os x has > bluetooth support. But is it possible to use my mbp with the lid > closed? Normally it goes on standby but since i can scroll through a > document with just my braille display i wouyld like to be able to keep > my laptop in its case and just my braille display on my lap, there is > no room for the whole deal. > Can anyone tell me if this is possible, i cant find it in energy > saver. > Greetings, Anouk > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
hi all in mail voiceover reads oddly and pauses in strange places. The rest of my findings though in SL are indeed all positive --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keyboard to use with garageband?
NI brought the keyboard about 5 years ago. I think it is an m-Audio. If you want more details still, write me off-list at jon.c.c...@cox.net. Jonathan On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:24 AM, hank smith wrote: > > what keyboard did you buy her? can I get model number? and brand? > - Original Message - > From: "Jonathan C. Cohn" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: keyboard to use with garageband? > > > > I don't know specifically about this keyboard. I did buy my daughter a > keyboard with a USB port f when Garage band first cane out and it just > worked with no drivers or software installs. If you have the keyboard > just go ahead and try it out. > > Jonathan > On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:41 PM, anouk radix wrote: > >> >> Hello, I have a yamaha ypt403 keyboard which i use on occasion, it >> has >> a usb port and can be used udner windows as a midi keyboard but it >> needs a driver. Does anyone know if it can be used udner the mac as >> well or what keyboards can be used with garageband? >> Greetings, AnoukÎ >>> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Hi all. I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the scripts for my application and you will have access." Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so that I can have a new perspective. Jes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: creating ringtones
Hi Anna, Wow that's interesting. Kind of disgusting that the ohnly option that Itunes gives you is to buy ringtones from Apple, but at least there's a work-around. Thanks for confirming that this in fact can't be done in itunes, and for the info on creating ringtones in Amadeus Pro. Hope you're having a good holiday weekend! Take care, Donna -Original Message- From: Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 1:27 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: creating ringtones Hi Donna, What I would do is use a program like amadeus Pro to select the segment of a track you want to use as a ringtone, copy it to a separate file, save that file in AAC format, and change the extension from M4A to M4R. I think Amadeus Pro might be able to save as a ringtone, so you wouldn't need to make the extension change. HTH, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
Hi William, It seems that all your messages are coming directly into my mailbox, and they don't appear in my mac visionaries folder, so i think you should try resending the messages to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com and not to me. you might have replied to one of my mails once and it replied to my mail address instead of the group and since then has been sending this way. Try resending to macvisionaries and make sure i'm not in the mail. Thanks, and glad to know you enjoy snow leopard so far :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
For those of you who wanted emulator software
Hi folks, Found this wile searching for you. I don't know though if any of these are acessible with VO. http://emulation.macscene.net/ Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: pod cast 11, new features of voiceover now available
Hi folks, I'm glad people are enjoying the new cursor option. I am curious though. Can we still use the cursor in the Mac OS X way though? Thanks Take care James - Original Message - From: "Jesse Bollinger" To: Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: Re: pod cast 11, new features of voiceover now available > > I also enjoy the new option to read the text to the right. Call me a > windows bot if you want but after using the evil Jaws for nearly 12 > years now it's just what I'm comfortable with. I'm glad to hear this > cursor reading wasn't invented by Jaws though so it can't be labeled as > "VO trying to act like Windows" which must be like the end of the world. > Lol. Since I got Snow Leopard I've been using the laptop more oftin > because of quick nav and this cursor feature. > > Jesse > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Hi Jes, I've not installed Snow Leopard yet, but I do understand your concerns. I would just like to say though, that you can use shortcut keys in Windows to launch applications. I'm sure you know this smile. I do understand your concerns about the ability to script taking the onis away from developers. You also made a good point where VO gives a conceptual layout and it may be the only screen reader apart from possibly NVDA to do this. I think it is a nice feature though but I hope that Apple developers continue to make their programs accessible and VO continues in the way that it has always done. The ability to add scripting is a nice featue though. Do we know for certain that we can script applications with VO? Take care james - Original Message - From: "Jes Smith" To: Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 1:52 PM Subject: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest > > Hi all. > > I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. > Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with > a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing > how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening > up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned > that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we > don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. > I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that > should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of > apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application > developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. > On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just > download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer > and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? > It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this > scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it > gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it > appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does > this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. > If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, > they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the > scripts for my application and you will have access." > Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your > arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so > that I can have a new perspective. > > Jes > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: creating ringtones
Hi Simon, Thanks so much for posting these instructions! I'm very glad there is a way to do this. I have lots of music that I've either burned from CD, or that I've purchased from Amazon, so that gives me lots of ringtone choices. I'll give it a try today and see how it goes. Just curious, do you know why this can't be done with songs purchased from the Itunes store? I know Apple had to work out some complicated deal with record companies when they went DRM free, but if they can, it might be something they should rethink. Not having to purchase the ringtone separately gives me a big incentive to keep buying from Amazon. Take care, Donna -Original Message- From: Simon Cavendish Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:03 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: creating ringtones Hello, here are detailed instructions posted by a knowledgeable person on viphone list on how to create ring tones. i'm pasting them below. first of all, this can only be done with music you haven't purchased from the itunes store. step by step instructions 1. open itunes 2. find the song you want to select for your ringtone. highlight it with your vo cursor. 3. press cmd--I to get info and go to the options tab. 4. check the start and end time boxes. [note, make sure you know where you want your start and end to be. this must be 40 seconds or less] once you've selected the allotted time, click OK. 5. go to advance and select create AAC version. this creates a duplicate of your selected song. 6. Now, the song you just created should be sitting below your original in the songs table as an aAC version. go to the original, you will know it's the original because the time is still the original length. Now you should get info again on the original track, ensuring the track is highlighted, and uncheck the boxes you checked previously. This will make sure your song is in tact. 7. Now highlight your duplicate song, the one you made for your ringtone, and hit cmd--c to copy. Paste it to your desk top and delete the duplicate in itunes. [this must be done or else the following steps will not work] 9. Rename the file on your desktop, with the m4r extension. all you need to do is hit enter/return on the file on the desktop and go to the end of the file name, deleting the m4a and typing m4r. 11. go back to itunes and hit add to library cmd--o. find your new ringtone on the desktop and import it. 12. go to your ringtones playlist and it should be there. 13. sync your iphone. On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:27, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi Donna, > > What I would do is use a program like amadeus Pro to select the > segment of a track you want to use as a ringtone, copy it to a > separate file, save that file in AAC format, and change the extension > from M4A to M4R. I think Amadeus Pro might be able to save as a > ringtone, so you wouldn't need to make the extension change. > > HTH, > Anna > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
i am sending to the list lol that's odd On 7 Sep 2009, at 13:55, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > > Hi William, > > It seems that all your messages are coming directly into my mailbox, > and they don't appear in my mac visionaries folder, so i think you > should try resending the messages to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > and not to me. you might have replied to one of my mails once and it > replied to my mail address instead of the group and since then has > been sending this way. > > Try resending to macvisionaries and make sure i'm not in the mail. > > Thanks, and glad to know you enjoy snow leopard so far :) > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
All well writen Mac applications should support AppleScript. Sent from my iPhone Greg Kearney Association for the Blind of Western Australia On 07/09/2009, at 8:52 PM, Jes Smith wrote: > > Hi all. > > I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. > Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with > a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing > how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening > up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned > that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we > don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. > I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that > should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of > apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application > developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. > On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just > download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer > and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? > It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this > scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it > gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it > appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does > this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. > If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, > they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the > scripts for my application and you will have access." > Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your > arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so > that I can have a new perspective. > > Jes > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Fixed the double speaking of tweets in syrinx very easy to fix
I have this turned off as well, I don't the computer assuming I want to interact with something, better left up to the user in that case. On Sep 6, 2009, at 5:43 PM, Scott Rutkowski wrote: > Hi all. > > Just wanted to let everyone know how to fix the double speaking of > tweets in syrinx. > Basically in the voiceover utility turn off the automatically > interact when using the tab key under the navigation tab in the > voiceover utility. > This solves the double speaking of tweets in syrinx. > > Hope it helps others. > > > > > > If for any reason you wish to be removed from the mac-access mailing > list, please click the link at the top of this message. Or send a > message to mailto:mac-access-unsubscr...@tft-bbs.com and the server > will process your request. Please note that the body and subject of > the message are not used. > > *** All parts of this message were scanned at the server level by > our integrated anti-virus module. *** > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Yes indeed Greg. I only hope that Apple continue to develop VO and that they don't stop here. - Original Message - From: "Greg Kearney" To: Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest > > All well writen Mac applications should support AppleScript. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Greg Kearney > Association for the Blind of Western Australia > > On 07/09/2009, at 8:52 PM, Jes Smith wrote: > >> >> Hi all. >> >> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. >> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with >> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing >> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening >> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we >> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. >> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that >> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of >> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >> developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. >> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just >> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer >> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it >> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it >> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does >> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. >> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, >> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >> scripts for my application and you will have access." >> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >> that I can have a new perspective. >> >> Jes >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
This happens to me as well in Outlook Express. It's possible that Yuma's rules are squiffy as mine are. - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: mail > > i am sending to the list lol that's odd > > On 7 Sep 2009, at 13:55, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > >> >> Hi William, >> >> It seems that all your messages are coming directly into my mailbox, >> and they don't appear in my mac visionaries folder, so i think you >> should try resending the messages to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> and not to me. you might have replied to one of my mails once and it >> replied to my mail address instead of the group and since then has >> been sending this way. >> >> Try resending to macvisionaries and make sure i'm not in the mail. >> >> Thanks, and glad to know you enjoy snow leopard so far :) >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: pod cast 11, new features of voiceover now available
Excellent post, Chris!!! Donna -Original Message- From: Chris Hofstader Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:56 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: pod cast 11, new features of voiceover now available Hi, This may sound like a non-sequitur as I was happy to let the podcast stream from the site. First, I'd like to thank you for such a terrific podcast. While I had read lists of "What's New," your demonstrations really drove a lot home and I'm using more of the new things already. One item that I am very picky about, though, is the debate about the insertion point. to start, always announcing the character, word or whatever to the right of the caret is not a "Windows" thing. It was invented by Peter Korn in one of the really early versions of outSPOKEn - at that time, the only screen reader for Macintosh. Virtually all screen readers, on all OS, since have followed suit. Now, let's pretend we are sighted. If we are in the word cursor and the caret is between the "r" and the "s" and we move the insertion point by using the right arrow the visual representation puts a blinking vertical line between the "s" and the "o." So, is the caret to the right of the "s" (what was the default character to announce in Leopard) or is it to the left of the "o?" there are three correct answers, it's to the right of the "s," it's to the left of the "o" and it's between the two. A solution that claims some sort of primacy should either announce all three of the possibilities or select one which, keeping with tradition," would be the character to the right. Why history is valuable here: If we take a census of our VO mailing lists, I think we'll find that most people have used one or more other screen readers in the past. Navigating text is about the most used task any of us have used before so, as Apple wants to attract new customers from the community of people with vision impairment, it is logical that the transition is made as easy as possible. I'm not suggesting cloning JAWS but, rather, if *all* other screen readers do something one way and there is no real innovative reason for changing it, stick to what has worked in the past. Ok, go ahead, put a picture of old cdh on the dartboard... One other note on vocabulary in your podcast: you seemed to use the words "cursor" in the place of "caret." The cursor is the thing the mous moves and the caret is the term used for the blinking item at the insertion point. Ok, hear come the rotten tomatoes, I can't help it, I went to Harvard to graduate school in English and can't stop myself... Happy Victor Gottbaum Day, cdh On Sep 6, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Keith Brown wrote: > > thanks for your help, unfortunately when i tried this the podcast just > streamed from the net. i.e no download. > Keith 6 Sep 2009, at 20:19, Robert Carter wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> Assuming that you are using a Mac, when you are on the Blind Cool >> Tech >> site and sitting on the link for Mike's podcast, press option+enter >> to >> start the download. >> >> Robert Carter >> On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Keith Brown wrote: >> >>> >>> how can i download the podcast? when I click on it it just starts. I >>> obviously don't mind listening, however, I would like to download it >>> and take it away on another device. any help would bee appreciated. >>> >>> thanks >>> Keith On 6 Sep 2009, at 17:00, Mike Argil wrote: >>> Hey everyone, ok, by popular request, smile, pod cast 11 is now on blind cool tech. This one is dedicated to the new features of voice over in snow leopard, here is the link. http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1382NewFeaturesInVoiceOver.mp3 > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Reading from the cursor down
Hi, sure, interact with the text first, then move to where you want to start reading. Press v o a and it should begin reading from the cursor position. On Sep 6, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Kamal Haffar wrote: > > Hi all: > > Is there a VoiceOver function to allow you to read from the current > cursor position to the end of the document? I am working with a > university textbook which I received in RTF format. I would like to > be able to listen to VoiceOver read the text for me and allow me to > stop at different points so I can make notes, etc... > > Cheers, > > Kamal > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Webkit
Webkit works great with snow leopard, that's what I usually use for web browsing. On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > I'm still using this application under Leopard, has anyone tried it > with Snow leopard, what do you think? > > > > ** > > Dane Trethowan > From Melton Victoria Australia > mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net > Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane > blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com > Phone United Kingdom > 02032874641 > Phone Australia > 0390058589 > Phone United States > 8159261869 > Fax: > +61 3 9743 7954x > MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net > skype:grtdane12 > > ** > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Skype and Voice Over.
Hey Mark, glad you got skype working. Well, let's see, you've had the mac for about a week now, what do you think so far? On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:18 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Since I find that I am using Skype a great deal on the Mac, I > created a VO > Commander sequence that opens Skype. I use Right-Option+k. > > Big thanks to Cara for outlining this feature for me in a recent > discussion. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:09 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. > > > shame we can't script it in snowleopard? > > On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:32, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> this has been a great thread - lots of good information. There really >> is no way to create a keyboard shortcut for answering a Skype call? >> Too bad, as that would be the most useful Skype command to access >> from >> the keyboard. >> >> Best, >> Anna >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> I read Johnathan's reply as well and I've created some shortcuts >>> here. >>> >>> Firstly, you need to ensure that what you wish to create a shortcut >>> for is in the menu system of Skype, for example creating a shortcut >>> for "Answer" won't work because an "Answer" command is not in the >>> "Call" menu, unlike the PC version of Skype. >>> >>> Next you must type the description of the function you wish to >>> create a keyboard shortcut for as it appears, for example "Hang Up", >>> is a command which appears in the "Call" menu of Skype and I've >>> created a keyboard shortcut of ctrl-command-f10 for this. >>> >>> . >>> Open system Preferences and select "Keyboard and Mouse" >>> Next select the "Keyboard Shortcuts" tab. >>> Find the table listing the keyboard Shortcuts, interact with it and >>> go to the bottom. >>> Expand the "Applications" part of the table". >>> Stop interacting with the table, VO-right and press the first button >>> you come to, this is the "Add" button. >>> Go to the "Applications" Menu and select "Skype" as the application >>> you wish to create shortcut keys for. >>> Vo-Right to the "Shortcut Description" area and Type the keyboard >>> shortcut name in the "Shortcut description" field, for example "Hang >>> Up" >>> Vo-Right again to the "Keyboard shortcut" area and press the keys >>> you wish to use for that shortcut, when done Press the "okay" button >>> near the bottom of the window. >>> >>> I'm not sure whether you have to or can have the application you're >>> defining keyboard shortcuts for active in the background, I usually >>> exit that application just to be sure that keyboard shortcuts will >>> be applied, I then exit "System Preferences" and run the >>> application, in this instance Skype. >>> >>> >>> On 06/09/2009, at 4:22 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> Hello Jonathan and Everyone, After reading Jonathan's reply, I tried to create a keyboard Shortcut for hanging up a Skype Call but was unsuccessful. As I have never attempted to create a keyboard application Shortcut before, I would appreciate any advice on how to accomplish this. The steps I took which did not work were as follows: 1. Keyboard Shortcuts under System Preferences. 2. Selected the Applications area of the Dialog Box. 3. From the Drop-down list I selected Skype.app. This is where I get confused. It would appear that I am to enter the exact menu command for the shortcut I wish to use. Where may I find a list of these Shortcuts. I tried typing in, "hangup" but this did not work. Thank you, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Cohn Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:23 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. 1. You do not have to script these keys. I was able to assign F9 and F10 to call and hang up. System preferences keyboard and mouse has a pane for keyboard shortcuts of menu items. I went down to the applications area at the bottom (This is in plain old Leopard) and added in skype application. In terms of recognizing on call vs off line. There are built-in "groups" for this, and I have given instructions on this list on how to enable the "on-line" predefined group. Jon On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:52 AM, william lomas wrote: > > no it doesn't > voiceover also has no hang up or answer hotkeys > but I guess we can script them. Nor does it tell us, who is > online, > away in skype me mode, etc > Will > On 5 Sep 2009, at 11:40, Jesse Bollinger wrote: >
Re: mail
I have a folder called macvisionaries where the rule is that all mails from macvisionaries@googlegroups.com go into. So i don't get why william's and william's only mails end up in my general mailbox. No one else's ends up there best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
hi all
hi all, so far I am loving snowleopard on the amc. In mail though it does seem a bit unresponsive when reading the message and it pauses ... like this ... i very odd places regards will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
adium problems
hi in adium one has to read through the history window with O right arrow, if I go up and down it just beeps in SL Regards Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
idefrag in snow leopard
Hi all, just wanted to let everyone know that idefrag works fine in snow leopard. I tried it last night, of course, I made sure I had an updated backup first, and it worked fine. You definitely don't notice a huge performance boost like you do in windows, since the mac file system is much better, but it's a good utility to have around. Hopefully cocktail will come out with an update for snow leopard, that's another great program. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: using macbook with closed lid?
Way back in the Mac II days, one could run the server edition of the OS (it was pretty cheap, only a few bucks more than the regular OS) and it would boot without a keyboard, mouse or monitor. I don't under the OSX fixation with monitors but I'm not a hardware/firmware hacker either so I'm not supposed to know this stuff. cdh On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > > I know this is possible if the computer is connected to an external > video display. I have no idea about the braille though. > > Why not try it out and let us know. > > Jon > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:04 AM, anouk radix wrote: > >> >> Hi everyone, i go to school with my laptop everyday by bus, this ride >> takers 45 minutes. I always take my dog with me. I would like to use >> my laptop for studyig diring this time but there is not much room. >> Luckily i have a quite compact braille display and the new os x has >> bluetooth support. But is it possible to use my mbp with the lid >> closed? Normally it goes on standby but since i can scroll through a >> document with just my braille display i wouyld like to be able to >> keep >> my laptop in its case and just my braille display on my lap, there is >> no room for the whole deal. >> Can anyone tell me if this is possible, i cant find it in energy >> saver. >> Greetings, Anouk >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: cursors
Hi, sure thing. Really there is no requirement here, but I will tell you how mine is set. I have all 4 check boxes checked for the system focus, voice over cursor and insertion point to follow each other. This way, when you move the voice over cursor to an item such as an edit box, your in the box, ready to type. I love that feature, it not only works on the web, but in pretty much any window. It's great because you can use the voice over cursor to read text in a dialog box and when you get to a control you want to work with, your system focus is already there waiting for you. When I have to use windows at work, I really miss this feature. I don't have the mouse pointer set to follow the voice over cursor, though you can press v o command f5 to move the mouse to your voice over cursor. Some times you will need to do this if you need to click on something that doesn't respond to the voice over's perform action command. On Sep 7, 2009, at 5:07 AM, Keith Brown wrote: > could someone give me a quick rundown as to how cursors should be > set. thanks > > Keith > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4401 (20090906) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Webkit
I remember when safari 3 was the current official release, webkit provided much more information, though at the time, it only provided the title tag I think, instead of the alt tag, or maybe I have that mixed up. In snow leopard, voice over actually gives you both of them, and some times they are quite different, wikipedia is a good example of this. On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:13 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > That's why I asked some time ago when people were talking about odd > behavior with Safari, had they tried using Webkit and had they noted > any differences? > > Now I'm still using Leopard here but it seems to me that Webkit loads > a lot of web pages faster than Safari does. > > > On 07/09/2009, at 8:57 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Yes it is the engine for Safari and some other browsers as well. >> Unless your really having some issue, you shouldn't need Webkit >> unless >> you like to see how the bleeding edge works. >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:44 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> >>> As far as I know its the engine that Safari uses. >>> >>> >>> On 07/09/2009, at 8:02 PM, dannyboy wrote: >>> What exactly is web kit? Is it a replacement for Safari? On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > I'm still using this application under Leopard, has anyone tried > it > with Snow leopard, what do you think? > > > > ** > > Dane Trethowan > From Melton Victoria Australia > mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net > Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane > blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com > Phone United Kingdom > 02032874641 > Phone Australia > 0390058589 > Phone United States > 8159261869 > Fax: > +61 3 9743 7954x > MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net > skype:grtdane12 > > ** > > > > > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Webkit
I believe it is. When you launch webkit, it actually uses the safari browser, but I think it is using the webkit engine you have installed to process the html. On Sep 7, 2009, at 5:44 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > As far as I know its the engine that Safari uses. > > > On 07/09/2009, at 8:02 PM, dannyboy wrote: > >> >> What exactly is web kit? >> Is it a replacement for Safari? >> On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I'm still using this application under Leopard, has anyone tried it >>> with Snow leopard, what do you think? >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Dane Trethowan >>> From Melton Victoria Australia >>> mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane >>> blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com >>> Phone United Kingdom >>> 02032874641 >>> Phone Australia >>> 0390058589 >>> Phone United States >>> 8159261869 >>> Fax: >>> +61 3 9743 7954x >>> MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net >>> skype:grtdane12 >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
Do you have William saved in your address book? Might be pre- emptingthe normal rule, or perhaps you will have to do a rule for his address to go thereto your mac visionaries box in mail. I've had to dothat in the past for some reason mail would pick up on the address and move it into main in-box, not to where the general rule told it to move the mail. Unless William is replying to all and you are getting the actual mail, which is a different matter.Forward one of the messeages you get from him and read in the html and it will show who he sent it to whether the group or to you, just checked your's and it shows group address of course. On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > > I have a folder called macvisionaries where the rule is that all mails > from macvisionaries@googlegroups.com go into. So i don't get why > william's and william's only mails end up in my general mailbox. No > one else's ends up there > > best > > Yuma > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Hi, Probably because I was once a VP at Freedom Scientific, I see the value in and strongly support adding scripting to VO. I agree that using scripts to launch applications from within a screen reader should be discouraged and I agree that some other things you mention in your email should be avoided as there are other techniques to get the same job. The fear that "VO will turn into JAWS for Macintosh," is mostly unfounded though. The reason JAWS needs scripts for virtually every application it supports is that they have an OSM and, given relative screen coordinates can tease the text drawn directly without MSAA or iAccessible2 involved. This helps make the completely inaccessible into something that is marginally and sometimes very accessible. VO has no OSM. Even with the new scripting facility, it cannot correct the owner drawn interfaces (I've been trying to get VO and MacSpeech Dictate to talk and its a hemorrhoid of a project). What AppleScript gives us is the ability to add features to a combination of programs where the authors did a decent job of making their software accessible but the user would benefit from some very deep contextual information that would be very difficult for a generic API to deliver. I read a post (I think on this list) about reading table headers in the iWork spreadsheet. the post said it works great if the headers are on the top row but starts to fail if they are elsewhere. So, why not write a script that allows multiple tables, each with their own headings to exist in a single spreadsheet? No API is smart enough to do this but, I would think that a script driven communication system between VO and the worksheet could do it in a fairly straight forward manner. This script could also "mangle" the worksheet file name in a manner that is unique so, if you reload the same document, your headers will be there for you. Even cooler, if you open a spreadsheet with a very similar name (Sales Report 1/1/2009, Sales Report 2/1/2009, etc.) they will probably have the same format and the user can be offered the opportunity to load last month's headers. There are lots of ideas that can be expressed in scripts that a generic screen reader cannot understand. Happy Curt Flood Day, cdh On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: > > Hi all. > > I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. > Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with > a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing > how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening > up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned > that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we > don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. > I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that > should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of > apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application > developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. > On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just > download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer > and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? > It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this > scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it > gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it > appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does > this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. > If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, > they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the > scripts for my application and you will have access." > Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your > arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so > that I can have a new perspective. > > Jes > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: pod cast 11, new features of voiceover now available
Yes, voice over defaults to working the way it did in Leopard. The setting can be changed in the voice over utility. On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:00 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm glad people are enjoying the new cursor option. I am curious > though. Can > we still use the cursor in the Mac OS X way though? > > Thanks > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Jesse Bollinger" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: pod cast 11, new features of voiceover now available > > >> >> I also enjoy the new option to read the text to the right. Call me a >> windows bot if you want but after using the evil Jaws for nearly 12 >> years now it's just what I'm comfortable with. I'm glad to hear this >> cursor reading wasn't invented by Jaws though so it can't be >> labeled as >> "VO trying to act like Windows" which must be like the end of the >> world. >> Lol. Since I got Snow Leopard I've been using the laptop more oftin >> because of quick nav and this cursor feature. >> >> Jesse >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: pod cast 11, new features of voiceover now available
Yes I would think the quick nav really comes in handy on laptops, especially if it doesn't have the new track pads. On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:11 AM, Jesse Bollinger wrote: > > I also enjoy the new option to read the text to the right. Call me a > windows bot if you want but after using the evil Jaws for nearly 12 > years now it's just what I'm comfortable with. I'm glad to hear this > cursor reading wasn't invented by Jaws though so it can't be labeled > as > "VO trying to act like Windows" which must be like the end of the > world. > Lol. Since I got Snow Leopard I've been using the laptop more oftin > because of quick nav and this cursor feature. > > Jesse > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Webkit
On 7 sept. 2009, at 22:50, Mike Arrigo wrote: > I believe it is. When you launch webkit, it actually uses the safari > browser, but I think it is using the webkit engine you have installed > to process the html. That is correct. The application's name is Webkit but it looks and feels exactly like Safari. The only difference is that it regularly asks you to update to a daily build. Which is the point of Webkit: browse on the bleeding edge. Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Thanks for that reassurance that voice over will not become like jaws. Jes On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > > Hi, > > Probably because I was once a VP at Freedom Scientific, I see the > value in and strongly support adding scripting to VO. > > I agree that using scripts to launch applications from within a screen > reader should be discouraged and I agree that some other things you > mention in your email should be avoided as there are other techniques > to get the same job. > > The fear that "VO will turn into JAWS for Macintosh," is mostly > unfounded though. The reason JAWS needs scripts for virtually every > application it supports is that they have an OSM and, given relative > screen coordinates can tease the text drawn directly without MSAA or > iAccessible2 involved. This helps make the completely inaccessible > into something that is marginally and sometimes very accessible. > > VO has no OSM. Even with the new scripting facility, it cannot > correct the owner drawn interfaces (I've been trying to get VO and > MacSpeech Dictate to talk and its a hemorrhoid of a project). What > AppleScript gives us is the ability to add features to a combination > of programs where the authors did a decent job of making their > software accessible but the user would benefit from some very deep > contextual information that would be very difficult for a generic API > to deliver. > > I read a post (I think on this list) about reading table headers in > the iWork spreadsheet. the post said it works great if the headers > are on the top row but starts to fail if they are elsewhere. > > So, why not write a script that allows multiple tables, each with > their own headings to exist in a single spreadsheet? No API is smart > enough to do this but, I would think that a script driven > communication system between VO and the worksheet could do it in a > fairly straight forward manner. This script could also "mangle" the > worksheet file name in a manner that is unique so, if you reload the > same document, your headers will be there for you. Even cooler, if > you open a spreadsheet with a very similar name (Sales Report > 1/1/2009, Sales Report 2/1/2009, etc.) they will probably have the > same format and the user can be offered the opportunity to load last > month's headers. > > There are lots of ideas that can be expressed in scripts that a > generic screen reader cannot understand. > > Happy Curt Flood Day, > cdh > On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: > >> >> Hi all. >> >> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. >> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >> with >> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing >> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening >> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we >> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >> Macintosh. >> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that >> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use >> of >> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >> developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. >> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >> just >> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer >> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that >> it >> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it >> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does >> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >> be. >> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, >> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >> scripts for my application and you will have access." >> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >> that I can have a new perspective. >> >> Jes >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Webkit
One thing I like about Webkit, its updated often. On 07/09/2009, at 11:53 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > I remember when safari 3 was the current official release, webkit > provided much more information, though at the time, it only provided > the title tag I think, instead of the alt tag, or maybe I have that > mixed up. In snow leopard, voice over actually gives you both of them, > and some times they are quite different, wikipedia is a good example > of this. > On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:13 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> >> That's why I asked some time ago when people were talking about odd >> behavior with Safari, had they tried using Webkit and had they noted >> any differences? >> >> Now I'm still using Leopard here but it seems to me that Webkit loads >> a lot of web pages faster than Safari does. >> >> >> On 07/09/2009, at 8:57 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Yes it is the engine for Safari and some other browsers as well. >>> Unless your really having some issue, you shouldn't need Webkit >>> unless >>> you like to see how the bleeding edge works. >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:44 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> As far as I know its the engine that Safari uses. On 07/09/2009, at 8:02 PM, dannyboy wrote: > > What exactly is web kit? > Is it a replacement for Safari? > On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I'm still using this application under Leopard, has anyone tried >> it >> with Snow leopard, what do you think? >> >> >> >> ** >> >> Dane Trethowan >> From Melton Victoria Australia >> mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane >> blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com >> Phone United Kingdom >> 02032874641 >> Phone Australia >> 0390058589 >> Phone United States >> 8159261869 >> Fax: >> +61 3 9743 7954x >> MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net >> skype:grtdane12 >> >> ** >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
I'm getting the same problem as Yuma. Perhaps you have reply all so that it opens the Mac Visionaries addres to include other addresses - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: mail > > i am sending to the list lol that's odd > > On 7 Sep 2009, at 13:55, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > >> >> Hi William, >> >> It seems that all your messages are coming directly into my mailbox, >> and they don't appear in my mac visionaries folder, so i think you >> should try resending the messages to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> and not to me. you might have replied to one of my mails once and it >> replied to my mail address instead of the group and since then has >> been sending this way. >> >> Try resending to macvisionaries and make sure i'm not in the mail. >> >> Thanks, and glad to know you enjoy snow leopard so far :) >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Thank you for this information and clarification - Original Message - From: "Chris Hofstader" To: Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest > > Hi, > > Probably because I was once a VP at Freedom Scientific, I see the > value in and strongly support adding scripting to VO. > > I agree that using scripts to launch applications from within a screen > reader should be discouraged and I agree that some other things you > mention in your email should be avoided as there are other techniques > to get the same job. > > The fear that "VO will turn into JAWS for Macintosh," is mostly > unfounded though. The reason JAWS needs scripts for virtually every > application it supports is that they have an OSM and, given relative > screen coordinates can tease the text drawn directly without MSAA or > iAccessible2 involved. This helps make the completely inaccessible > into something that is marginally and sometimes very accessible. > > VO has no OSM. Even with the new scripting facility, it cannot > correct the owner drawn interfaces (I've been trying to get VO and > MacSpeech Dictate to talk and its a hemorrhoid of a project). What > AppleScript gives us is the ability to add features to a combination > of programs where the authors did a decent job of making their > software accessible but the user would benefit from some very deep > contextual information that would be very difficult for a generic API > to deliver. > > I read a post (I think on this list) about reading table headers in > the iWork spreadsheet. the post said it works great if the headers > are on the top row but starts to fail if they are elsewhere. > > So, why not write a script that allows multiple tables, each with > their own headings to exist in a single spreadsheet? No API is smart > enough to do this but, I would think that a script driven > communication system between VO and the worksheet could do it in a > fairly straight forward manner. This script could also "mangle" the > worksheet file name in a manner that is unique so, if you reload the > same document, your headers will be there for you. Even cooler, if > you open a spreadsheet with a very similar name (Sales Report > 1/1/2009, Sales Report 2/1/2009, etc.) they will probably have the > same format and the user can be offered the opportunity to load last > month's headers. > > There are lots of ideas that can be expressed in scripts that a > generic screen reader cannot understand. > > Happy Curt Flood Day, > cdh > On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: > >> >> Hi all. >> >> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. >> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with >> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing >> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening >> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we >> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. >> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that >> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of >> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >> developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. >> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just >> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer >> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it >> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it >> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does >> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. >> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, >> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >> scripts for my application and you will have access." >> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >> that I can have a new perspective. >> >> Jes >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Hi, I agree with both points of view to some extent. If the api remains as tight as it has been for voiceover, less need for scripting will be required. I doubt seriously that we can eliminate the need for it altogether as the very nature of screenreading technology is prosthetic rather than replacement. Having said that though, without siting example either by platform or application, there are times and places where scripting is absolutely abused. We can have a say here as a community, considering that we are and have always been strong self-advocates on this here list. Just my $.02 On 2009-09-07, at 10:09 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > > Hi, > > Probably because I was once a VP at Freedom Scientific, I see the > value in and strongly support adding scripting to VO. > > I agree that using scripts to launch applications from within a screen > reader should be discouraged and I agree that some other things you > mention in your email should be avoided as there are other techniques > to get the same job. > > The fear that "VO will turn into JAWS for Macintosh," is mostly > unfounded though. The reason JAWS needs scripts for virtually every > application it supports is that they have an OSM and, given relative > screen coordinates can tease the text drawn directly without MSAA or > iAccessible2 involved. This helps make the completely inaccessible > into something that is marginally and sometimes very accessible. > > VO has no OSM. Even with the new scripting facility, it cannot > correct the owner drawn interfaces (I've been trying to get VO and > MacSpeech Dictate to talk and its a hemorrhoid of a project). What > AppleScript gives us is the ability to add features to a combination > of programs where the authors did a decent job of making their > software accessible but the user would benefit from some very deep > contextual information that would be very difficult for a generic API > to deliver. > > I read a post (I think on this list) about reading table headers in > the iWork spreadsheet. the post said it works great if the headers > are on the top row but starts to fail if they are elsewhere. > > So, why not write a script that allows multiple tables, each with > their own headings to exist in a single spreadsheet? No API is smart > enough to do this but, I would think that a script driven > communication system between VO and the worksheet could do it in a > fairly straight forward manner. This script could also "mangle" the > worksheet file name in a manner that is unique so, if you reload the > same document, your headers will be there for you. Even cooler, if > you open a spreadsheet with a very similar name (Sales Report > 1/1/2009, Sales Report 2/1/2009, etc.) they will probably have the > same format and the user can be offered the opportunity to load last > month's headers. > > There are lots of ideas that can be expressed in scripts that a > generic screen reader cannot understand. > > Happy Curt Flood Day, > cdh > On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: > >> >> Hi all. >> >> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. >> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >> with >> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing >> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening >> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we >> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >> Macintosh. >> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that >> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use >> of >> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >> developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. >> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >> just >> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer >> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that >> it >> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it >> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does >> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >> be. >> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, >> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >> scripts for my application and you will have access." >> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >> that I can have a new perspective. >> >> Jes >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: mail
Hello Will, VO now pauses when it meets a newline character. You'll also have problems with messages in HTML. The solution to that one is to press Command-Option-p to turn it into plain text. Cheers, Anne On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:42 PM, william lomas wrote: > > hi all in mail voiceover reads oddly and pauses in strange > places. > The rest of my findings though in SL are indeed all positive > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
snow leopard and box set
Hi everyone, I am considering the purchase of the macbox set with ilife and iwork, as well as getting some more ram for my macbook pro. So ilife includes garage band, ichat and some other apps, but are they all VO compatible? It's still a 180 dollar investment so i wanted to make sure that perhaps all my windows work environment could be switched to mac, as i shudder each time i open up my windows for using office, primarily. Any suggestions will be welcome, Thanks, ans best regards Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
is there a way anne to make it behave as in leopard where it reads more naturally, rather than pausing at each new line character? Love the responsiveness though On 7 Sep 2009, at 15:45, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Will, > > VO now pauses when it meets a newline character. You'll also have > problems with messages in HTML. The solution to that one is to press > Command-Option-p to turn it into plain text. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:42 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> hi all in mail voiceover reads oddly and pauses in strange >> places. >> The rest of my findings though in SL are indeed all positive >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Another thing to consider, besides voiceover turning into bloatware as Jfw already has done is that if you script or develop special features too hard, you risk getting stuck with software from one developer and one alone. I don't know how conserned you should be on the Macintosh platform, but i see how this development goes on the windows side of things, which is one of the reasons why i switched. /Krister 7 sep 2009 kl. 14.52 skrev Jes Smith: > > Hi all. > > I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. > Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with > a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing > how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening > up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned > that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we > don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. > I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that > should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of > apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application > developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. > On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just > download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer > and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? > It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this > scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it > gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it > appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does > this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. > If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, > they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the > scripts for my application and you will have access." > Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your > arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so > that I can have a new perspective. > > Jes > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Using Preview
Hi, I am running Snow Leopard and am attempting to use preview to read the iPhone User's Guide downloaded from the Apple Accessibility page. I can sort of get VoiceOver to read the file but don't seem to have any real control over what VoiceOver actually reads based on what I select from the table of contents. Could somebody who knows how to really use preview with Snow Leopard please contact me off list? Thanks, Robert Carter --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
I believe you are describing the rule incorrectly, as I see the from line as being the original sender (as it should be according to the standards.) The sender is macvisionaries and usually (though not required one of either the To or From is macvisionaries. Perhaps you are using a = instead of a contains? If you were to share the text of the match section of your rule then somebody here could help you. Best regards, Jonathan On Sep 7, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > > I have a folder called macvisionaries where the rule is that all mails > from macvisionaries@googlegroups.com go into. So i don't get why > william's and william's only mails end up in my general mailbox. No > one else's ends up there > > best > > Yuma > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: audio higjack pro
Yes, but instant hijack for apps is broken. HTH, Steve On Sep 7, 2009, at 5:57 AM, william lomas wrote: hi in snowleopard can one use audio highjack for system and mike audio? Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
Hi Jonathan, The rule is set to contains macvisionaries@googlegroups.com I have doublechecked to see if there were any other rules that might have been hapazadardously included, but none. I also saw that the last mail from william hasn't ended up in my main mailbox but only in the mac visionaries folder. SO so far it seems that it has resolved itself. Will see further if this happens again. The thing is though, that i have had only mails that don't go to my smartbox through william, so i'm a bit confused. Sorry for throwing your name in William, no malintention whatsoever :) Best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
media event
hi will the ipod event on wednesday be streamed anywhere? Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
I am not sure what people are thinking about for AppleScript since I have not read how it will integrate with VO yet. but since OS9 one could use apple script to read out loud the subject line of all unread e-mail messages. Sure you could not use Alex, but fred and bells have been around since the mid-90's and so has applescript and the "say" command. I have heard from people that use Visual Basic, that Visual Basic primary syntax was taken from AppleScript, since I have never looked at a Visual basic script, and I don't know its history I can't confirm this. I do know that AppleScript is based off of "Hypercard" which did have the ability to pull data from other programs using the "tell application " command. Jonathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: media event
Ok, so it has happened again. i really don't get it. Begin forwarded message: > From: william lomas > Date: September 7, 2009 10:53:37 PM GMT+07:00 > To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS > X by the blind > Subject: media event > Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > > hi will the ipod event on wednesday be streamed anywhere? > Will > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Daisy players
Hi. For a while ago, there was some great discussions about daisy players for Mac, but I have forgot what the different daisy players are called. I could of course just search for it in the old mail arcive, but a lot of new Mac users has join the list since these great discutions, so there might be other people who are interested in this subject as well. I've just searched on Google for daisy players for Mac, and I found a totally inaccessible player, and another player which should be 100% accessible. Here is the link: http://mac.download3000.com/olearia-download-6278.html I'm interested to know if there are other accessible daisy players out there, ad where to find them. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: media event
i always send to disc...@macvisionaries.com On 7 Sep 2009, at 17:08, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > Ok, so it has happened again. i really don't get it. > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: william lomas >> Date: September 7, 2009 10:53:37 PM GMT+07:00 >> To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS >> X by the blind >> Subject: media event >> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >> >> hi will the ipod event on wednesday be streamed anywhere? >> Will >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
I'm afraid I am also getting all William's posts into my private mailbox. Do please william che check all yor fields for possible private addresses of other listers before sending the messages? Or maybe as Cara indicated you use command+shift+r which is a shortcut for reply to all. With best wishes, Simon On 7 Sep 2009, at 13:55, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > > Hi William, > > It seems that all your messages are coming directly into my mailbox, > and they don't appear in my mac visionaries folder, so i think you > should try resending the messages to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > and not to me. you might have replied to one of my mails once and it > replied to my mail address instead of the group and since then has > been sending this way. > > Try resending to macvisionaries and make sure i'm not in the mail. > > Thanks, and glad to know you enjoy snow leopard so far :) > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: creating ringtones
It is to do with protected content. I think Apple would rather you bought their own ring-tones. Best wishes, Simon On 7 Sep 2009, at 14:10, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi Simon, > > Thanks so much for posting these instructions! I'm very glad there > is a way to do this. I have lots of music that I've either burned > from CD, or that I've purchased from Amazon, so that gives me lots > of ringtone choices. I'll give it a try today and see how it goes. > Just curious, do you know why this can't be done with songs > purchased from the Itunes store? I know Apple had to work out some > complicated deal with record companies when they went DRM free, but > if they can, it might be something they should rethink. Not having > to purchase the ringtone separately gives me a big incentive to keep > buying from Amazon. > Take care, > Donna > > -Original Message- > From: Simon Cavendish > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:03 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: creating ringtones > > > Hello, > > here are detailed instructions posted by a knowledgeable person on > viphone list on how to create ring tones. i'm pasting them below. > > first of all, this can only be done with music you haven't purchased > from the itunes store. > step by step instructions > 1. open itunes > 2. find the song you want to select for your ringtone. highlight it > with your vo cursor. > 3. press cmd--I to get info and go to the options tab. > 4. check the start and end time boxes. [note, make sure you know where > you want your start and end to be. this must be 40 seconds or less] > once you've selected the allotted time, click OK. > 5. go to advance and select create AAC version. this creates a > duplicate of your selected song. > 6. Now, the song you just created should be sitting below your > original in the songs table as an aAC version. go to the original, you > will know it's the original because the time is still the original > length. Now you should get info again on the original track, ensuring > the track is highlighted, and uncheck the boxes you checked > previously. This will make sure your song is in tact. > 7. Now highlight your duplicate song, the one you made for your > ringtone, and hit cmd--c to copy. Paste it to your desk top and delete > the duplicate in itunes. [this must be done or else the following > steps will not work] > 9. Rename the file on your desktop, with the m4r extension. all you > need to do is hit enter/return on the file on the desktop and go to > the end of the file name, deleting the m4a and typing m4r. > 11. go back to itunes and hit add to library cmd--o. find your new > ringtone on the desktop and import it. > 12. go to your ringtones playlist and it should be there. > 13. sync your iphone. > > > On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:27, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > >> >> Hi Donna, >> >> What I would do is use a program like amadeus Pro to select the >> segment of a track you want to use as a ringtone, copy it to a >> separate file, save that file in AAC format, and change the extension >> from M4A to M4R. I think Amadeus Pro might be able to save as a >> ringtone, so you wouldn't need to make the extension change. >> >> HTH, >> Anna >> >> >>> > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: creating ringtones
OK, that's what I suspected. :) Take care, Donna -Original Message- From: Simon Cavendish Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:41 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: creating ringtones It is to do with protected content. I think Apple would rather you bought their own ring-tones. Best wishes, Simon On 7 Sep 2009, at 14:10, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi Simon, > > Thanks so much for posting these instructions! I'm very glad there > is a way to do this. I have lots of music that I've either burned > from CD, or that I've purchased from Amazon, so that gives me lots > of ringtone choices. I'll give it a try today and see how it goes. > Just curious, do you know why this can't be done with songs > purchased from the Itunes store? I know Apple had to work out some > complicated deal with record companies when they went DRM free, but > if they can, it might be something they should rethink. Not having > to purchase the ringtone separately gives me a big incentive to keep > buying from Amazon. > Take care, > Donna > > -Original Message- > From: Simon Cavendish > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:03 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: creating ringtones > > > Hello, > > here are detailed instructions posted by a knowledgeable person on > viphone list on how to create ring tones. i'm pasting them below. > > first of all, this can only be done with music you haven't purchased > from the itunes store. > step by step instructions > 1. open itunes > 2. find the song you want to select for your ringtone. highlight it > with your vo cursor. > 3. press cmd--I to get info and go to the options tab. > 4. check the start and end time boxes. [note, make sure you know where > you want your start and end to be. this must be 40 seconds or less] > once you've selected the allotted time, click OK. > 5. go to advance and select create AAC version. this creates a > duplicate of your selected song. > 6. Now, the song you just created should be sitting below your > original in the songs table as an aAC version. go to the original, you > will know it's the original because the time is still the original > length. Now you should get info again on the original track, ensuring > the track is highlighted, and uncheck the boxes you checked > previously. This will make sure your song is in tact. > 7. Now highlight your duplicate song, the one you made for your > ringtone, and hit cmd--c to copy. Paste it to your desk top and delete > the duplicate in itunes. [this must be done or else the following > steps will not work] > 9. Rename the file on your desktop, with the m4r extension. all you > need to do is hit enter/return on the file on the desktop and go to > the end of the file name, deleting the m4a and typing m4r. > 11. go back to itunes and hit add to library cmd--o. find your new > ringtone on the desktop and import it. > 12. go to your ringtones playlist and it should be there. > 13. sync your iphone. > > > On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:27, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > >> >> Hi Donna, >> >> What I would do is use a program like amadeus Pro to select the >> segment of a track you want to use as a ringtone, copy it to a >> separate file, save that file in AAC format, and change the extension >> from M4A to M4R. I think Amadeus Pro might be able to save as a >> ringtone, so you wouldn't need to make the extension change. >> >> HTH, >> Anna >> >> >>> > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of scripts to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com and share our thoughts on this. On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: > > Hi all. > > I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. > Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with > a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing > how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening > up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned > that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we > don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. > I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that > should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of > apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application > developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. > On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just > download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer > and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? > It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this > scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it > gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it > appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does > this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. > If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, > they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the > scripts for my application and you will have access." > Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your > arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so > that I can have a new perspective. > > Jes > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
Yes, and William is not using that address he is using From: Yuma Antoine Decaux Date: September 7, 2009 12:08:21 PM EDT To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Fwd: media event Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Ok, so it has happened again. i really don't get it. Begin forwarded message: From: william lomas Date: September 7, 2009 10:53:37 PM GMT+07:00 To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind Subject: media event Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com hi will the ipod event on wednesday be streamed anywhere? Will From: Yuma Antoine Decaux Date: September 7, 2009 12:08:21 PM EDT To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Fwd: media event Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Ok, so it has happened again. i really don't get it. Begin forwarded message: From: william lomas Date: September 7, 2009 10:53:37 PM GMT+07:00 To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind Subject: media event Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com hi will the ipod event on wednesday be streamed anywhere? Will > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
I am having this issue also. Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Psalm 90 12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > I'm afraid I am also getting all William's posts into my private > mailbox. Do please william che check all yor fields for possible > private addresses of other listers before sending the messages? Or > maybe as Cara indicated you use command+shift+r which is a shortcut > for reply to all. > > With best wishes, Simon > On 7 Sep 2009, at 13:55, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > >> >> Hi William, >> >> It seems that all your messages are coming directly into my mailbox, >> and they don't appear in my mac visionaries folder, so i think you >> should try resending the messages to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> and not to me. you might have replied to one of my mails once and it >> replied to my mail address instead of the group and since then has >> been sending this way. >> >> Try resending to macvisionaries and make sure i'm not in the mail. >> >> Thanks, and glad to know you enjoy snow leopard so far :) >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
So am I I'm afraid Will. - Original Message - From: "Simon Cavendish" To: Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: Re: mail > > I'm afraid I am also getting all William's posts into my private > mailbox. Do please william che check all yor fields for possible > private addresses of other listers before sending the messages? Or > maybe as Cara indicated you use command+shift+r which is a shortcut > for reply to all. > > With best wishes, Simon > On 7 Sep 2009, at 13:55, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > >> >> Hi William, >> >> It seems that all your messages are coming directly into my mailbox, >> and they don't appear in my mac visionaries folder, so i think you >> should try resending the messages to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> and not to me. you might have replied to one of my mails once and it >> replied to my mail address instead of the group and since then has >> been sending this way. >> >> Try resending to macvisionaries and make sure i'm not in the mail. >> >> Thanks, and glad to know you enjoy snow leopard so far :) >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
That sounds like a good idea. On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: > > I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of scripts > to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com > and share our thoughts on this. > On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: > >> >> Hi all. >> >> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. >> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >> with >> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing >> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening >> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we >> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >> Macintosh. >> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that >> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use >> of >> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >> developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. >> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >> just >> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer >> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that >> it >> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it >> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does >> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >> be. >> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, >> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >> scripts for my application and you will have access." >> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >> that I can have a new perspective. >> >> Jes >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: creating ringtones
Hi Simnon and all, Is there some way to get your playback position once you've gotten to the point in the song where you want to start the ringtone? TIA, Donna On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > Hello, > > here are detailed instructions posted by a knowledgeable person on > viphone list on how to create ring tones. i'm pasting them below. > > first of all, this can only be done with music you haven't purchased > from the itunes store. > step by step instructions > 1. open itunes > 2. find the song you want to select for your ringtone. highlight it > with your vo cursor. > 3. press cmd--I to get info and go to the options tab. > 4. check the start and end time boxes. [note, make sure you know where > you want your start and end to be. this must be 40 seconds or less] > once you've selected the allotted time, click OK. > 5. go to advance and select create AAC version. this creates a > duplicate of your selected song. > 6. Now, the song you just created should be sitting below your > original in the songs table as an aAC version. go to the original, you > will know it's the original because the time is still the original > length. Now you should get info again on the original track, ensuring > the track is highlighted, and uncheck the boxes you checked > previously. This will make sure your song is in tact. > 7. Now highlight your duplicate song, the one you made for your > ringtone, and hit cmd--c to copy. Paste it to your desk top and delete > the duplicate in itunes. [this must be done or else the following > steps will not work] > 9. Rename the file on your desktop, with the m4r extension. all you > need to do is hit enter/return on the file on the desktop and go to > the end of the file name, deleting the m4a and typing m4r. > 11. go back to itunes and hit add to library cmd--o. find your new > ringtone on the desktop and import it. > 12. go to your ringtones playlist and it should be there. > 13. sync your iphone. > > > On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:27, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > >> >> Hi Donna, >> >> What I would do is use a program like amadeus Pro to select the >> segment of a track you want to use as a ringtone, copy it to a >> separate file, save that file in AAC format, and change the extension >> from M4A to M4R. I think Amadeus Pro might be able to save as a >> ringtone, so you wouldn't need to make the extension change. >> >> HTH, >> Anna >> >> >>> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, then don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular, some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If that application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be an option. n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: > > That sounds like a good idea. > > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: > >> >> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of >> scripts >> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com >> and share our thoughts on this. >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for >>> scripting. >>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >>> with >>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or >>> seeing >>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening >>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if >>> we >>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >>> Macintosh. >>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something >>> that >>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use >>> of >>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. >>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >>> just >>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer >>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that >>> it >>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as >>> it >>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does >>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >>> be. >>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, >>> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >>> scripts for my application and you will have access." >>> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >>> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >>> that I can have a new perspective. >>> >>> Jes >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Using Preview
Hi Robert, The tricks with Preview is to do the following: •Go to the menu bar, enter the View menu and set the PDF Display sub menu to Single page •Select the content you would like VO to read from the outline table, either by interacting and navigating/expanding categories, or by simply navigating with arrow keys while focused on the outline table. •Navigate to the content area, and either interact to read, or let VO read when you focus on the area. •Use Page Up or Page Down keys to jump to the page you would like to continue reading, or return to the outline table to find a new chapter to read. HOpe this helps! Take care, John André On Sep 7, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Robert Carter wrote: > > Hi, > > I am running Snow Leopard and am attempting to use preview to read the > iPhone User's Guide downloaded from the Apple Accessibility page. I > can sort of get VoiceOver to read the file but don't seem to have any > real control over what VoiceOver actually reads based on what I select > from the table of contents. Could somebody who knows how to really use > preview with Snow Leopard please contact me off list? > > Thanks, > > Robert Carter > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail
Hello Will, On Sep 7, 2009, at 5:03 PM, william lomas wrote: > > is there a way anne to make it behave as in leopard where it reads > more naturally, rather than pausing at each new line character? Not that I've found. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Absolutely, I think the thing to remember, is that the scripts are an option and only an option. Developers are still going to have to make their apps accessible, especially now that most if not all of the operating system is now Coaco. I quite like the idea of these scripts. Perhaps we can add our own features to VO just a they do for Orca which is also an extensible scriptable Screen Reader. Perhaps others who are more informed on these subjects could add to or corect me if I'm wrong. Take care James - Original Message - From: "Ryan Mann" To: Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest > > > I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, then > don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of > VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular, > some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If that > application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be an > option. > n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: > >> >> That sounds like a good idea. >> >> >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >> >>> >>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of >>> scripts >>> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to >>> accessibil...@apple.com >>> and share our thoughts on this. >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>> Hi all. I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the scripts for my application and you will have access." Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so that I can have a new perspective. Jes > >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: media event
Hello Will, On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:31 PM, william lomas wrote: > i always send to disc...@macvisionaries.com > I think that could be the problem. Try sending to: That should fix the problem. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
