I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, then don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular, some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If that application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be an option. n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote:
> > That sounds like a good idea. > > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: > >> >> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of >> scripts >> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com >> and share our thoughts on this. >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for >>> scripting. >>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >>> with >>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or >>> seeing >>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening >>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if >>> we >>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >>> Macintosh. >>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something >>> that >>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use >>> of >>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. >>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >>> just >>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer >>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that >>> it >>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as >>> it >>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does >>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >>> be. >>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, >>> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >>> scripts for my application and you will have access." >>> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >>> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >>> that I can have a new perspective. >>> >>> Jes >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
