Re: pages 9, tables and Voiceover
Alex, so a table is in the layout area but how does one integrate it with the text, i.e. you want your table to appear at a certain point in the text so you may wish to write text above the table and below it and maybe also insert another table further down? That's how tables in wordprocessing usually appear: as part of the document. Any clues, Alex, or Barry? BW, Simon On 18 Jul 2009, at 23:42, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > The talbes in the layout area is where they belong. The layout area is > the whole document, the Body is just ment for text. Thanks for giving > me this lead. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 18-Jul-09, at 1:18 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >> >> I've had very little look working with tables in pages. If i >> insert a >> table into the layout area, I can see and edit it. If i insert it >> into the body, I have had no luck in working with it in any way. >> >> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear Listers, >>> >>> Has anyone successfully been using Pages 9 and Voiceover while >>> working >>> with tables within a document? Can it be done reliably? >>> >>> BW, Simon >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: pages 9, tables and Voiceover
Visually they are integrated. It is an Apple take on Tables accessibility if I am not mistaken. I've seen it with Keynote. Regards, Alex, On 19-Jul-09, at 12:01 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > Alex, so a table is in the layout area but how does one integrate it > with the text, i.e. you want your table to appear at a certain point > in the text so you may wish to write text above the table and below it > and maybe also insert another table further down? That's how tables in > wordprocessing usually appear: as part of the document. Any clues, > Alex, or Barry? > > BW, Simon > On 18 Jul 2009, at 23:42, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> The talbes in the layout area is where they belong. The layout area >> is >> the whole document, the Body is just ment for text. Thanks for giving >> me this lead. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 18-Jul-09, at 1:18 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: >> >>> >>> I've had very little look working with tables in pages. If i >>> insert a >>> table into the layout area, I can see and edit it. If i insert it >>> into the body, I have had no luck in working with it in any way. >>> >>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>> Dear Listers, Has anyone successfully been using Pages 9 and Voiceover while working with tables within a document? Can it be done reliably? BW, Simon > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS
I haven't tried the gps but the typing feature got me for a start. You move / put one finger on the character you want and then tap the screen with another and the character is typed to the screen. I found it really easy after got the fingers working together. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James & Nash Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:28 a.m. To: Mac visionaries Subject: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS Hi everyone, How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when they can't see the screen? How is it achieved? Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it usable? Thank you for any info. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour > today and > I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. > I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system > is not > as efficient yet as I would have hoped. > > However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't > change > to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does > everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > > Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so > very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably > tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget > about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this > and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow > growth to understanding product rather than something that can be > quickly affixed. > On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >> >> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >> totally blind >> person. >> >> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >> against >> my Nokia s60 device. >> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >> say I'm >> fixed on it yet. >> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >> it. >> >> Cheers >> >> Simonf. >> >> >>> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
Thanks peggy, I'm now wondering what sort of battery life people get from the IPhone when using Voice over!? How much more of a strain on the devices battery does vo put? also, no one has said anything about using text / sms messaging on the device either. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 8:37 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hi: I'm totally blind and use the Iphone 3gs. I use the mail, the phone, the notes and the voice recorder. I love the Ipod and reading books from audible and playing games when sitting around for a few minutes. I find it easier to use twitter and facebook with my phone than with my computer. I even store my favorite recipes on my phone. Today I went into a store to shop for a purse. I found one I liked but didn't like the price so I typed the name of the purse in the notes on my phone and came home to find it at a better price on line. I also accessed my grocery list I had stored on the phone. My newspaper is also accessed from my phone. wonderful device and not just for the partially sighted. Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
May be in your country, but here in nz your screwed if you decide you don't want it. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Ford Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 3:09 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility Although it isn't the same as trying it for a week, it is my understanding you have 30 days to cancel the contract and return the iPhone. At least that's what I was told when I asked at an Apple store. I've used one for about an hour in two separate sessions, once in a store and once using a friend's phone. Within that time basic navigation became quite easy. I actually had that down in the first session. I borrowed a friend's phone to try typing again. I got faster in those 30 minutes but at least to me it will take a bit of practice to get as fast as I amon my Windows Mobile phone. That's in no way a criticism of the iPhone. I'm interested enough to probably go do the 30 day deal. The touch aspects of the phone access are compelling to me, assuming the typing can become equivalent. -Original Message- From: Simon Fogarty [mailto:si...@blinky-net.com] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I could use one for a week before actually purchasing it -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon, I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the iPhone in both French and English. I hope this reassures you a bit. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac support/warranty, does it matter where you buy?
No, I think what the tech is explaining is you get the 90 days and after that without an Apple Care Plan, you will have to pay for the call. The machine itself is covered under a one year warranty. So, if the screen quit working, the drive crashed, the mother board crapped out, your covered. YOu purchase the Apple Care plan and you get support via phone and coverage on the hardware for three years. On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:37 PM, matthew T dyer wrote: > Hi, I was told by an apple tech that I only had 90 days to get the > apple care plan. I am not sure if that is the case or not, but that > is only what I was told when I called to try to resaulve a mail > problem. > > Matthew > > > On Jul 17, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> According to a person working at my local Apple Store, you can buy >> it anywhere and it will work internationally, though Apple >> recomends you buy in the country you are living in. Note: AppleCare >> can be bought within the first 11 Months, so you can buy the Mac in >> another country, ship it with its coverage still being covered, and >> then buy AppleCare. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 17-Jul-09, at 11:32 AM, a radix wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I wonder if it is advisable to buy a macbook pro from the appl >>> eonline store or an apple stor ein general or if it is ok to buy >>> one just anywhere? The apple store is not very accessible for me >>> bu tI could order by phone although, of course I would like to >>> find the cheapest place to buy one, lol. I guess apple gives >>> support no matter where you have bought your laptop, as long as it >>> is, for me for example, within th eNetherlands? I also wonder >>> about warranty, is it still only one year standard. I find that >>> kind of meager, in europe most costly stuff like this has standard >>> 2 years, although to be honest some other laptop companies do >>> persist in only giving one year as well. Is it possible to get on >>> site warranty or is it pick up and return or maybe even carry in? >>> >>> Thanks again for all the help, >>> >>> Greetings, Anouk, >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: newsreader
You know that is a good question, I don't recall. Seems that would make sense really, but guess one can always ask. On Jul 19, 2009, at 2:21 AM, william lomas wrote: > > they don't I don't think, accept paypal to purchase it though > > On 19 Jul 2009, at 00:41, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Eric I agree, but I sure wish they'd get html support in there. I've >> bugged them about this, but guess I need to get back to bugging >> again. I'm forced to use outlook express for one specific situation >> that html support in Unison would take care of. >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 4:52 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, I can't imagine wanting anything but unison for binaries. For >>> text groups it's a different matter but I tried several solutions on >>> windows, and none of them gave me the insane rush that unison on the >>> mac did. It's a file junkie's best friend. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> erik burggraaf >>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 18-Jul-09, at 2:43 PM, william lomas wrote: >>> hi is unison the only accessible newsreader available for the mac? or is there one i can buy with paypal? > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Simon, I think the following statement really sums up the whole windows verses Mac or Talks/Mobile Speak vs iPhone discussion. > "I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity." > Yes, that is correct, it's all about familiarity and now that you > have stepped outside the comfort zone or familiar way of doing > things, you find you are not as efficient. Gee, is this a surprise? > Did you honestly think you would sit down and master an entirely new > interface in a few minutes? No different than moving from a windows > environment to a Mac environment. You will only become efficient > with practice and daily use. I distinctly recall when I made the > move from the shell environment of Linux to the Mac, I tinkered a > little with the Mac, but still relied on my Linux box. I decided > quickly that I had to turn off the Linux box and dive in. Once i > did, I started picking things up and making real progress. That is > how it will be with the iPhone. You will become efficient as you use > it regularly. Your statement was just right on the money and I > couldn't pass up the opportunity to make use of it. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour > today and > I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. > I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system > is not > as efficient yet as I would have hoped. > > However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't > change > to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does > everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Just for your interest, in France, JAWS 10 is not available yet. JFW 9 has only quite recently come out. But yes the AT venders are greatly overpriced and in the case of one of them, I honestly don't think they should have charged for the last three versions as there was nothing worth charging for. In my opinion. Also they have introduced a feature which they charge for despite consumers already having bought the product in the first place. Out of interest, which virtualization software do you use? Does Virtual Box work on MacOSX? Take care James - Original Message - From: "Alex Jurgensen" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:49 PM Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > Hi, > James, > > I disagree. When working in a primarily Windows network I had no > problem accessing all services though my Macbook. It was seemless. > > I think that AT venders on teh Windows side are greedy for money. Just > look at the antics of FS. They sell JFW for twice as much in the UK > than in the United States. As far as my opinion is concerned, they > have very little inovation left. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 18-Jul-09, at 4:13 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> I too would like to read this article. However, competition is a good >> thing. We should rmember that Apple is first and foremost a commercial >> vender and accessibility is not necessarily at the top of their list >> although they have done, and I am sure will continue to do a >> fantastic job. >> Besides everyone is entitled to their views and the Windows Assistive >> Technology developers do in fact have much left to offer the great >> majority >> of those of us who use Windows. Not least because the vast majority >> of the >> working world uses Windows . But yes, their products are overly >> priced. Very >> much so. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "william lomas" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:37 AM >> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone >> >> >>> >>> you know why? >>> because the i phone is way more superior than the pac mate >>> let him pay 3000 US dollars or more for it, an i phone is loads >>> cheaper and does everything that does? >>> can someone send me off list please, the original article he posted? >>> >>> On 18 Jul 2009, at 11:34, Jude DaShiell wrote: >>> Any access technology developer who thinks that way so far as I'm concerned has nothing of any worth left to offer. On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Larry Wanger wrote: > Who cares if we win them over. We talk with our pocket books and, > if enough > of us stop paying thousands for their products and hundreds more > each year > in SMA agreements it will get their attention. It's like any other > product > and the markets they compete in. > > > > > > _ > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > > > You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's > case, I > have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on observations > from > that and things he has said/written, I seriously doubt he would sit > down > with you or an iPhone and certainly not to be objective about his > findings. > I think he would be quite argumentative and take a hardline on his > position > regardless of whether he is proven right or wrong. In other words, > you'd > accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving > yourself a > headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I had > with a > particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines of me > expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was nice > to see > their product could be used under a VM. Of course that met with a > very much > "I don't care" attitude. I think I was looked upon as being at the > very > least miledly daft and why in hell would you want to use a stupid > Mac when > you have a great solution and a good os at your disposal. :) So, > the market > being what it is, I don't think you'll ever win him or most of > these folks > over. I guess I sort of understand considering that Apple is > truly a > competitor now and any competition is a threat. > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > > > > > Josh, > > > > I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. > I am more > productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I could > with my > Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had > terrible > luck finding applications for that phone that we
Re: medical transcription on the Mac?
Have you looked at UltraLingua? I know there is a French medical dictioanry but I'm not sure if there is an English one. www.ultralingua.com Take care James - Original Message - From: "Mark Baxter" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 2:28 AM Subject: medical transcription on the Mac? > > Is anyone out there doing medical transcription on the Mac? I have a > USB foot pedal, but wonder about word predictors and medical > dictionaries and the like. With the Mac's better sound card, I might > try transcription again... > Curiously, > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and AT&T, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to AT&T and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from Code Factory I then would have to deal with AT&T's office of national disability concerns which is a completely separate operation from AT&T. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the advantages to each. Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your final conclusion, it will be a good one. Take good care. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour > today and > I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. > I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system > is not > as efficient yet as I would have hoped. > > However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't > change > to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does > everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > > Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so > very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably > tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget > about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this > and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow > growth to understanding product rather than something that can be > quickly affixed. > On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >> >> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >> totally blind >> person. >> >> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >> against >> my Nokia s60 device. >> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >> say I'm >> fixed on it yet. >> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >> it. >> >> Cheers >> >> Simonf. >> >> >>> > > > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Simon and all: I will refrain from answering the question pertaining to battery life because that is a variable thing depending upon usage. I will leave that to others (smile). However, in regard to messaging one of the things I like about the iphone as opposed to my Nokia is that I can follow the thread of a message all at once rather than open multiple messages to keep track of a message. That in my opinion is a nice feature. So, If I wanted milk, bread, and gatorade I can track the whole back and forth texting about the shopping trip to narrow down why mash potatoes came threw the door when I did not know they were coming ... LOL. I know that has never happened to anyone ... LOL On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Thanks peggy, > > I'm now wondering what sort of battery life people get from the > IPhone when > using Voice over!? > How much more of a strain on the devices battery does vo put? > > also, no one has said anything about using text / sms messaging on the > device either. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 8:37 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > > Hi: > > I'm totally blind and use the Iphone 3gs. I use the mail, the phone, > the notes and the voice recorder. I love the Ipod and reading books > from audible and playing games when sitting around for a few minutes. > I find it easier to use twitter and facebook with my phone than with > my computer. I even store my favorite recipes on my phone. > > Today I went into a store to shop for a purse. I found one I liked but > didn't like the price so I typed the name of the purse in the notes > on my phone and came home to find it at a better price on line. I also > accessed my grocery list I had stored on the phone. > > My newspaper is also accessed from my phone. wonderful device and not > just for the partially sighted. > > Peggy Fleischer > peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net > > Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to > present you > faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, > 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, > Dominion > and power, Both now and forever. Amen. > > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >> >> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >> totally blind >> person. >> >> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >> against >> my Nokia s60 device. >> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >> say I'm >> fixed on it yet. >> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >> it. >> >> Cheers >> >> Simonf. >> >> >>> > > > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Will said: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does Real world says: apart from out of the box accessibility to the entire User interface, a far broader scope for additional apps, and a UI that can only increase a VI user's often lacking knowledge of all things layout. There's so many pro's and cons to each device for each user. If Symbian and actual buttons will always float your boat more then fair enough, use it and prosper, it's here to stay for a while yet. But Dismissing one of the few big accessibility efforts made by a mainstream vender as the same old same old with a gimicky new touch screen thing before you've even had experience with it is an attitude that will ensure we're always slightly behind the trend with technology, so well done you. Slightly ranty perhaps, but I hope you see my point. And in case I get labeled an iPhone fanatic, I don't own one. I've tinkered and mostly enjoyed the experience, seemed to me that any barriers I felt like I was facing with the device were entirely due to my lack of experience with an interface where I'm closer to being even with any sighted user than I've ever been before. On 7/19/09, william lomas wrote: > > i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n > eighty two does everything that does > > On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour >> today and >> I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. >> I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system >> is not >> as efficient yet as I would have hoped. >> >> However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't >> change >> to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does >> everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard >> Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility >> >> >> Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so >> very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably >> tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget >> about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this >> and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow >> growth to understanding product rather than something that can be >> quickly affixed. >> On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >>> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >>> >>> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >>> totally blind >>> person. >>> >>> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >>> against >>> my Nokia s60 device. >>> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >>> say I'm >>> fixed on it yet. >>> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >>> it. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Simonf. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I have not seen one yet, but I am going to spend some time with an Apple rep tomorrow. I agree, it is really nice to see a mainstream vender include a Screen Reader for no extra cost, but then the IPhone is considerably more expensive than other models but then you have to pay for Talks or Mobile Speak. The only thing I would disagree with is the view that the IPhone is accessible "out of the box". From all that I've read and heard, we cannot turn VO on ourselves without access to ITunes - so if we do not have access to it immediately, then we cannot access the phone by ourselves. Perhaps this is a literal take on the phrase "accessible out of the box", but then the phrase lends itself to that way of thinking. Take care - Original Message - From: "Scott Chesworth" To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > Will said: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it > new but the n eighty two does everything that does > > Real world says: apart from out of the box accessibility to the entire > User interface, a far broader scope for additional apps, and a UI that > can only increase a VI user's often lacking knowledge of all things > layout. There's so many pro's and cons to each device for each user. > If Symbian and actual buttons will always float your boat more then > fair enough, use it and prosper, it's here to stay for a while yet. > But Dismissing one of the few big accessibility efforts made by a > mainstream vender as the same old same old with a gimicky new touch > screen thing before you've even had experience with it is an attitude > that will ensure we're always slightly behind the trend with > technology, so well done you. > > Slightly ranty perhaps, but I hope you see my point. And in case I > get labeled an iPhone fanatic, I don't own one. I've tinkered and > mostly enjoyed the experience, seemed to me that any barriers I felt > like I was facing with the device were entirely due to my lack of > experience with an interface where I'm closer to being even with any > sighted user than I've ever been before. > > > On 7/19/09, william lomas wrote: >> >> i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n >> eighty two does everything that does >> >> On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> >>> Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour >>> today and >>> I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. >>> I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system >>> is not >>> as efficient yet as I would have hoped. >>> >>> However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't >>> change >>> to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does >>> everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard >>> Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility >>> >>> >>> Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so >>> very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably >>> tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget >>> about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this >>> and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow >>> growth to understanding product rather than something that can be >>> quickly affixed. >>> On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> >> >> > >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Just want to set the record straight. Not that I care about Mobile SPeak, but you no longer have to pay a transfer fee. You can move the license from one phone to another via the setup program. On Jul 19, 2009, at 6:33 AM, patrickneazer wrote: > Hello Simon and all: > > One question you might want to consider is the issue of > expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I > love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it > is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak > and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite > different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. > However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it > independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability > of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather > than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have > to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you > want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change > phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know > how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another > Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my > control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the > freedom of wanting something different. > > There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out > only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and AT&T, the > entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. > If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to AT&T and > they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to > someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that > would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). > With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would > have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia > would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the > Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with > the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from > Code Factory I then would have to deal with AT&T's office of > national disability concerns which is a completely separate > operation from AT&T. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the > potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the > advantages to each. > > Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your > final conclusion, it will be a good one. > > Take good care. > On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour >> today and >> I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. >> I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system >> is not >> as efficient yet as I would have hoped. >> >> However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't >> change >> to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does >> everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard >> Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility >> >> >> Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so >> very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably >> tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget >> about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to >> this >> and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow >> growth to understanding product rather than something that can be >> quickly affixed. >> On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >>> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >>> >>> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >>> totally blind >>> person. >>> >>> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >>> against >>> my Nokia s60 device. >>> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >>> say I'm >>> fixed on it yet. >>> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >>> it. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Simonf. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Take good care and I wish you enough. > > Love > > Me > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email
Re: IPhone accessibility
James, It's a fair point about not being able to run voiceover on the iPhone unaided without access to iTunes. What I'd like to see in an update is the ability to launch and disable VO with a voice command. I've emailed Apple about it and got a hopeful response. I'm guessing that seeing as the Nano's and Shuffle's need to be activated with iTunes Apple went for consistancy, either that or it or the idea didn't occur to them. You have to admit though that being able to activate it yourself even through iTunes is a lot closer to true out of the box accessibility than blundering your way through a Symbian time/date setup and an instalation of your prefered screen reader, or worse still, relying on Nokia's Voiceaid offering. Scott On 7/19/09, James & Nash wrote: > > I have not seen one yet, but I am going to spend some time with an Apple rep > tomorrow. > > I agree, it is really nice to see a mainstream vender include a Screen > Reader for no extra cost, but then the IPhone is considerably more expensive > than other models but then you have to pay for Talks or Mobile Speak. The > only thing I would disagree with is the view that the IPhone is accessible > "out of the box". From all that I've read and heard, we cannot turn VO on > ourselves without access to ITunes - so if we do not have access to it > immediately, then we cannot access the phone by ourselves. Perhaps this is a > literal take on the phrase "accessible out of the box", but then the phrase > lends itself to that way of thinking. > > Take care > > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Chesworth" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > >> >> Will said: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it >> new but the n eighty two does everything that does >> >> Real world says: apart from out of the box accessibility to the entire >> User interface, a far broader scope for additional apps, and a UI that >> can only increase a VI user's often lacking knowledge of all things >> layout. There's so many pro's and cons to each device for each user. >> If Symbian and actual buttons will always float your boat more then >> fair enough, use it and prosper, it's here to stay for a while yet. >> But Dismissing one of the few big accessibility efforts made by a >> mainstream vender as the same old same old with a gimicky new touch >> screen thing before you've even had experience with it is an attitude >> that will ensure we're always slightly behind the trend with >> technology, so well done you. >> >> Slightly ranty perhaps, but I hope you see my point. And in case I >> get labeled an iPhone fanatic, I don't own one. I've tinkered and >> mostly enjoyed the experience, seemed to me that any barriers I felt >> like I was facing with the device were entirely due to my lack of >> experience with an interface where I'm closer to being even with any >> sighted user than I've ever been before. >> >> >> On 7/19/09, william lomas wrote: >>> >>> i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n >>> eighty two does everything that does >>> >>> On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm >
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Scott and all: You are correct Scott as long as you are moving from a version 3.xx license to a version 3.xx license. If however you are moving from a 2.xx license to a 3.xx license then there is a fee. There are still a number of 2.xx licenses in the field and you do have to pay. On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Just want to set the record straight. Not that I care about Mobile > SPeak, but you no longer have to pay a transfer fee. You can move > the license from one phone to another via the setup program. > On Jul 19, 2009, at 6:33 AM, patrickneazer wrote: > >> Hello Simon and all: >> >> One question you might want to consider is the issue of >> expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I >> love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it >> is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak >> and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite >> different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. >> However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it >> independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the >> ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a >> system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make >> sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone >> or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, >> if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. >> I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I >> just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for >> things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's >> loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. >> >> There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out >> only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and AT&T, the >> entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. >> If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to AT&T >> and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to >> someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that >> would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). >> With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would >> have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia >> would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the >> Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with >> the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from >> Code Factory I then would have to deal with AT&T's office of >> national disability concerns which is a completely separate >> operation from AT&T. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has >> the potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the >> advantages to each. >> >> Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what >> your final conclusion, it will be a good one. >> >> Take good care. >> On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> >>> Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour >>> today and >>> I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. >>> I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones >>> system is not >>> as efficient yet as I would have hoped. >>> >>> However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I >>> shouldn't change >>> to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 >>> does >>> everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard >>> Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility >>> >>> >>> Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so >>> very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably >>> tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget >>> about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to >>> this >>> and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a >>> slow >>> growth to understanding product rather than something that can be >>> quickly affixed. >>> On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. >
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi Simon, Good call man, If you are getting everything that you need, and practicality rears it's ugly head, keep on using this one you have til it stops doing what you need then put the iphone in the stable of possibles for future consideration. Saves a load of coin, and you can squeaz every ounce of money you put in to this device out of it before it retires. Accessability of iphone isn't going away, so it will be there still when you find it convenient to acquire new product. On 19-Jul-09, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour > today and > I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. > I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system > is not > as efficient yet as I would have hoped. > > However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't > change > to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does > everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > > Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so > very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably > tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget > about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this > and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow > growth to understanding product rather than something that can be > quickly affixed. > On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >> >> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >> totally blind >> person. >> >> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >> against >> my Nokia s60 device. >> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >> say I'm >> fixed on it yet. >> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >> it. >> >> Cheers >> >> Simonf. >> >> >>> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
virtual box on mac os 10 was a dissatisfying experience for me. When I finally went gui I lobotomized the part of my brain that did command line stuff, and expected the gui to work. It is a sadness to report that at this time Virtualbox wasn't vo-friendly in the environment I chose to work in. Having said that, there have been others who have made it dance from the command line. On 19-Jul-09, at 5:57 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Just for your interest, in France, JAWS 10 is not available yet. > JFW 9 has > only quite recently come out. But yes the AT venders are greatly > overpriced > and in the case of one of them, I honestly don't think they should > have > charged for the last three versions as there was nothing worth > charging for. > In my opinion. Also they have introduced a feature which they > charge for > despite consumers already having bought the product in the first > place. > > Out of interest, which virtualization software do you use? Does > Virtual Box > work on MacOSX? > > Take care > > James > > > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Jurgensen" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > >> >> Hi, >> James, >> >> I disagree. When working in a primarily Windows network I had no >> problem accessing all services though my Macbook. It was seemless. >> >> I think that AT venders on teh Windows side are greedy for money. >> Just >> look at the antics of FS. They sell JFW for twice as much in the UK >> than in the United States. As far as my opinion is concerned, they >> have very little inovation left. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 18-Jul-09, at 4:13 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> I too would like to read this article. However, competition is a >>> good >>> thing. We should rmember that Apple is first and foremost a >>> commercial >>> vender and accessibility is not necessarily at the top of their list >>> although they have done, and I am sure will continue to do a >>> fantastic job. >>> Besides everyone is entitled to their views and the Windows >>> Assistive >>> Technology developers do in fact have much left to offer the great >>> majority >>> of those of us who use Windows. Not least because the vast majority >>> of the >>> working world uses Windows . But yes, their products are overly >>> priced. Very >>> much so. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "william lomas" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:37 AM >>> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone >>> >>> you know why? because the i phone is way more superior than the pac mate let him pay 3000 US dollars or more for it, an i phone is loads cheaper and does everything that does? can someone send me off list please, the original article he posted? On 18 Jul 2009, at 11:34, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Any access technology developer who thinks that way so far as I'm > concerned has nothing of any worth left to offer. > > > > On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Larry Wanger wrote: > >> Who cares if we win them over. We talk with our pocket books and, >> if enough >> of us stop paying thousands for their products and hundreds more >> each year >> in SMA agreements it will get their attention. It's like any >> other >> product >> and the markets they compete in. >> >> >> >> >> >> _ >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott >> Howell >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone >> >> >> >> You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's >> case, I >> have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on >> observations >> from >> that and things he has said/written, I seriously doubt he would >> sit >> down >> with you or an iPhone and certainly not to be objective about his >> findings. >> I think he would be quite argumentative and take a hardline on >> his >> position >> regardless of whether he is proven right or wrong. In other >> words, >> you'd >> accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving >> yourself a >> headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I >> had >> with a >> particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines of >> me >> expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was nice >> to see >> their product could be used under a VM. Of course that met with a >> very much >> "I don't care" attitude. I think I was looked upon as being at >> the >> very >> least miledly daft and why in hell would you want to use a stupid >> Mac when >> you have a great soluti
Re: IPhone accessibility
Oh yes, taht's true. Glad no one took ofense at my point. Take good care - Original Message - From: "Scott Chesworth" To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > James, > > It's a fair point about not being able to run voiceover on the iPhone > unaided without access to iTunes. What I'd like to see in an update > is the ability to launch and disable VO with a voice command. I've > emailed Apple about it and got a hopeful response. I'm guessing that > seeing as the Nano's and Shuffle's need to be activated with iTunes > Apple went for consistancy, either that or it or the idea didn't occur > to them. > > You have to admit though that being able to activate it yourself even > through iTunes is a lot closer to true out of the box accessibility > than blundering your way through a Symbian time/date setup and an > instalation of your prefered screen reader, or worse still, relying on > Nokia's Voiceaid offering. > > Scott > > On 7/19/09, James & Nash wrote: >> >> I have not seen one yet, but I am going to spend some time with an Apple >> rep >> tomorrow. >> >> I agree, it is really nice to see a mainstream vender include a Screen >> Reader for no extra cost, but then the IPhone is considerably more >> expensive >> than other models but then you have to pay for Talks or Mobile Speak. The >> only thing I would disagree with is the view that the IPhone is >> accessible >> "out of the box". From all that I've read and heard, we cannot turn VO on >> ourselves without access to ITunes - so if we do not have access to it >> immediately, then we cannot access the phone by ourselves. Perhaps this >> is a >> literal take on the phrase "accessible out of the box", but then the >> phrase >> lends itself to that way of thinking. >> >> Take care >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Chesworth" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:11 PM >> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility >> >> >>> >>> Will said: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it >>> new but the n eighty two does everything that does >>> >>> Real world says: apart from out of the box accessibility to the entire >>> User interface, a far broader scope for additional apps, and a UI that >>> can only increase a VI user's often lacking knowledge of all things >>> layout. There's so many pro's and cons to each device for each user. >>> If Symbian and actual buttons will always float your boat more then >>> fair enough, use it and prosper, it's here to stay for a while yet. >>> But Dismissing one of the few big accessibility efforts made by a >>> mainstream vender as the same old same old with a gimicky new touch >>> screen thing before you've even had experience with it is an attitude >>> that will ensure we're always slightly behind the trend with >>> technology, so well done you. >>> >>> Slightly ranty perhaps, but I hope you see my point. And in case I >>> get labeled an iPhone fanatic, I don't own one. I've tinkered and >>> mostly enjoyed the experience, seemed to me that any barriers I felt >>> like I was facing with the device were entirely due to my lack of >>> experience with an interface where I'm closer to being even with any >>> sighted user than I've ever been before. >>> >>> >>> On 7/19/09, william lomas wrote: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour > today and > I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. > I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system > is not > as efficient yet as I would have hoped. > > However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't > change > to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does > everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > > Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so > very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably > tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget > about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this > and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow > growth to understanding product rather than something that can be > quickly affixed. > On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >> totally blind rather than the parti
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi, Being able to play with my cousin's iPhone, I am totally blind and was able to do most everything. Still learning how to type on it and I don't have the ability to use it every time but every time I do type on it I notice a bit of a speed increase. So yes, while it may be easier for a VI person to learn it, blind people can do everything else they can do with practice. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I'll say I jumped to the IPhone not because it's new. Smile, I quite rankly didn't want one when it first came out and that's because I loved my nokia phone. But the more I thought about it and since it was almost time for me to upgrade my phone. I didn't want to buy the stupid speech license again for another phone. That's the first thing that sold me for the IPhone, everything else came after that. May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: "Scott Chesworth" To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 4:11 AM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > Will said: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it > new but the n eighty two does everything that does > > Real world says: apart from out of the box accessibility to the entire > User interface, a far broader scope for additional apps, and a UI that > can only increase a VI user's often lacking knowledge of all things > layout. There's so many pro's and cons to each device for each user. > If Symbian and actual buttons will always float your boat more then > fair enough, use it and prosper, it's here to stay for a while yet. > But Dismissing one of the few big accessibility efforts made by a > mainstream vender as the same old same old with a gimicky new touch > screen thing before you've even had experience with it is an attitude > that will ensure we're always slightly behind the trend with > technology, so well done you. > > Slightly ranty perhaps, but I hope you see my point. And in case I > get labeled an iPhone fanatic, I don't own one. I've tinkered and > mostly enjoyed the experience, seemed to me that any barriers I felt > like I was facing with the device were entirely due to my lack of > experience with an interface where I'm closer to being even with any > sighted user than I've ever been before. > > > On 7/19/09, william lomas wrote: >> >> i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n >> eighty two does everything that does >> >> On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> >>> Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour >>> today and >>> I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. >>> I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system >>> is not >>> as efficient yet as I would have hoped. >>> >>> However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't >>> change >>> to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does >>> everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard >>> Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility >>> >>> >>> Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so >>> very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably >>> tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget >>> about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this >>> and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow >>> growth to understanding product rather than something that can be >>> quickly affixed. >>> On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> >> >> > >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Not with the symbian phones. You still have to buy another license. May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: Scott Howell To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 4:35 AM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Just want to set the record straight. Not that I care about Mobile SPeak, but you no longer have to pay a transfer fee. You can move the license from one phone to another via the setup program. On Jul 19, 2009, at 6:33 AM, patrickneazer wrote: Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and AT&T, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to AT&T and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from Code Factory I then would have to deal with AT&T's office of national disability concerns which is a completely separate operation from AT&T. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the advantages to each. Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your final conclusion, it will be a good one. Take good care. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. Take go
system has new dialog
Hi all, I have a question about the message system has new dialog. When I boot uop my pc and when I get the sync blox it pops up for a second the disapears then I get the message saying that system has new dialog. How do I access the dialog with voice over. I tried running through my listeds of open programs, but no luck. Is there anything I need to do to get to it or what do I do. Thanks, Matthew --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
auto text on i phone
hi all, can the auto text on an i phone when typing text be disabled? asking on behalf of a friend who has the IPhone 3gS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: auto text on i phone
yes, in itunes uncheck the speak auto text in universal access. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:21 PM, william lomas wrote: > > hi all, can the auto text on an i phone when typing > text be > disabled? > asking on behalf of a friend who has the IPhone 3gS > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Apart from the fact that the iPhone is thoroughly accessible at no extra cost, it is also a thing of beauty, and I, for one, love beautiful things! Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction/noob questions(longish)
Hello Anowk, Readiris is a very reliable OCR application. It is cheaper than Omnipage and is updated regularly. As I said earlier, Omnipage for the Mac hasn't been updated in years and it is likely that it won't work at all with Snow Leopard. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
the best thing I can say is try it. only you can truly know if it is for you or not. everyone is different, I love it and am thoroughly glad I bought it, but others may not find the experience the same. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:36 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Apart from the fact that the iPhone is thoroughly accessible at no > extra cost, it is also a thing of beauty, and I, for one, love > beautiful things! > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: auto text on i phone
ah ok can he not turn it off from the universal access pane on the phone itself? On 19 Jul 2009, at 16:24, Marie Howarth wrote: > > yes, in itunes uncheck the speak auto text in universal access. > > On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:21 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> hi all, can the auto text on an i phone when typing >> text be >> disabled? >> asking on behalf of a friend who has the IPhone 3gS >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Ok, well final word on this since it really is not Apple related, but thanks for the clarification. I can't tell you what version I'm running, since upgrading isn't necessary at this point, but at long as you have the proper version you won't have to pay, but if not, get ready to shell out more money to add to what you already spent initially. On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:40 AM, patrickneazer wrote: > Hello Scott and all: > > You are correct Scott as long as you are moving from a version 3.xx > license to a version 3.xx license. If however you are moving from a > 2.xx license to a 3.xx license then there is a fee. There are still > a number of 2.xx licenses in the field and you do have to pay. > > > On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> Just want to set the record straight. Not that I care about Mobile >> SPeak, but you no longer have to pay a transfer fee. You can move >> the license from one phone to another via the setup program. >> On Jul 19, 2009, at 6:33 AM, patrickneazer wrote: >> >>> Hello Simon and all: >>> >>> One question you might want to consider is the issue of >>> expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I >>> love it. However, the number of applications that will work with >>> it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile >>> Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is >>> quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never >>> used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot >>> upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this >>> is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to >>> a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it >>> make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your >>> phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile >>> Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a >>> transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want >>> another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any >>> additional costs for things beyond my control which may have >>> resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting >>> something different. >>> >>> There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out >>> only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and AT&T, >>> the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one >>> roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to >>> AT&T and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it >>> out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... >>> that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way >>> (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which >>> I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem >>> where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing >>> problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I >>> had a problem with the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did >>> not purchase it from Code Factory I then would have to deal with >>> AT&T's office of national disability concerns which is a >>> completely separate operation from AT&T. I like the one umbrella >>> that the Iphone has the potential to provide. I have both and love >>> both and see the advantages to each. >>> >>> Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what >>> your final conclusion, it will be a good one. >>> >>> Take good care. >>> On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi Will, On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:39 AM, william lomas wrote: > i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n > eighty two does everything that does The iPhone has over 60,000 applications available for it, and I can guarantee you the N82 does not, and what apps it does have probably aren't accessible most of the time. Users needs will vary, but to say that the N82 does what the iPHone does is just simply untrue, just like your complaints about moving between apps was untrue in the context that you presented it. I'm guessing that you're repeating what you've heard from folks like Mr. Mosan, and as I have suggested to him, I suggest you try to educate yourself and avoid inadvertently perpetuating false info. :) Is the iPhone right for everyone? Nope. Neither is the N82 right for everyone. I only wish folks would actually try to know what they are talking about before making blanket statements. The NFB/AFB, and others, have been perpetuating false info about the Mac platform, and I'd hate to see the Mac community start doing it about the iPhone or anything else. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Indeed, like with anything else, if it works for you and your are satisfied, even the most basic cell phone can do the job. To each his or hers own. I know sighted folks who still use basic cell phones because they were free or nearly free as part of their contract with their cell provider. With that said, dismissing the iPhone off as just a new device everyone is jumping on simply because it is new is an absolutely ridiculous and short-sighted statement, especially if you haven't even held or tried one before. Imagine if we held that attitude about every assistive technology advance? If you've tried an iPhone or have read enough about it to find yourself believing it's not the device for you or you don't feel you will get enough more out of it to make it worth the expense, that is one thing. The iPhone is not going to be for everyone and everyone is not necessarily made for the iPhone. This is, as said, the first mainstream company that has included accessibility as part of the device, and the hardware is more powerful than what else is out there. Then, of course, there are the tons of applications that enhance the device's use. The interface is, if one gets beyond the fear of a touch screen, quite smooth and easy enough for even someone like me to utilize. Still, each person's needs define what they will comfortably use, and, therefor, the iPhone surely might not be their solution. I bought an iPhone because I needed a cell phone. I had been using my previous for four years and I wanted something new. It was timely that the iPhone came out when it did, as I was looking at Mobile Speak and other options. To be honest, the cost of the iPhone was far less than everything I had seen because I didn't have to buy an additional screen reader. You can buy an 8 GB mode for $99 in the states, which is certainly not an expensive proposition compared to many other options. I bought the 16 GB version, which, still, is not really all that expensive compared to other Smart Phone choices. In the end, even including Apple Care, I paid less for my iPhone than I did for my Nokia and Talks almost four years ago. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:11 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > Will said: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it > new but the n eighty two does everything that does > > Real world says: apart from out of the box accessibility to the entire > User interface, a far broader scope for additional apps, and a UI that > can only increase a VI user's often lacking knowledge of all things > layout. There's so many pro's and cons to each device for each user. > If Symbian and actual buttons will always float your boat more then > fair enough, use it and prosper, it's here to stay for a while yet. > But Dismissing one of the few big accessibility efforts made by a > mainstream vender as the same old same old with a gimicky new touch > screen thing before you've even had experience with it is an attitude > that will ensure we're always slightly behind the trend with > technology, so well done you. > > Slightly ranty perhaps, but I hope you see my point. And in case I > get labeled an iPhone fanatic, I don't own one. I've tinkered and > mostly enjoyed the experience, seemed to me that any barriers I felt > like I was facing with the device were entirely due to my lack of > experience with an interface where I'm closer to being even with any > sighted user than I've ever been before. > > > On 7/19/09, william lomas wrote: >> >> i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but >> the n >> eighty two does everything that does >> >> On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> >>> Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour >>> today and >>> I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. >>> I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system >>> is not >>> as efficient yet as I would have hoped. >>> >>> However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't >>> change >>> to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 >>> does >>> everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard >>> Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility >>> >>> >>> Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so >>> very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably >>> tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget >>> about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to >>> this >>> and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a >>> slow >>> growth to understanding product rather than something that
Re: IPhone accessibility
For anyone it may help, I want to share my experience on the typing aspect of the IPhone which have gotten really good over a short time. At first you have to trust what dozens of others have said although it won't seem like your experience at the time. Hang in there though because it gets really easy to do and I am talking about the typeing too! My fingers just really amazingly remember where the letters are and can pretty much strike the one I want just from muscle memory with about 95% accuracy I would guess. That is after roughly about 7 hours of any real typing on it. If you do not land on the right one, it does help a lot if you know the qwerty keyboard really well and what is on what row. Because if what you hear happens to be a row down or up, just move and then over. You won't be far off though after not much time of practice when you do miss it by any. For other things you really remember where they are too. Jim On 7/18/09, Kelly Ford wrote: > > Although it isn't the same as trying it for a week, it is my understanding > you have 30 days to cancel the contract and return the iPhone. At least > that's what I was told when I asked at an Apple store. > > I've used one for about an hour in two separate sessions, once in a store > and once using a friend's phone. Within that time basic navigation became > quite easy. I actually had that down in the first session. > > I borrowed a friend's phone to try typing again. I got faster in those 30 > minutes but at least to me it will take a bit of practice to get as fast as > I amon my Windows Mobile phone. That's in no way a criticism of the iPhone. > I'm interested enough to probably go do the 30 day deal. The touch aspects > of the phone access are compelling to me, assuming the typing can become > equivalent. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Simon Fogarty [mailto:si...@blinky-net.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:12 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility > > > Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I could > use one for a week before actually purchasing it > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson > Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > > Hello Simon, > > I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my > iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, > surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using > either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send > text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, > and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the > iPhone in both French and English. > > I hope this reassures you a bit. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: auto text on i phone
Yes you do actually turn it off or also turn it off from the settings page on the main screen. I can't remember the path to get to it, but I did turn it off there and not in ITunes. My opinion was it got in the way when learning, although I think I may turn it back on later. Jim On 7/19/09, william lomas wrote: > > ah ok can he not turn it off from the universal access pane on the > phone itself? > > On 19 Jul 2009, at 16:24, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> yes, in itunes uncheck the speak auto text in universal access. >> >> On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:21 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> hi all, can the auto text on an i phone when typing >>> text be >>> disabled? >>> asking on behalf of a friend who has the IPhone 3gS >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Just curious -- have people tried using the option that allows you to use a wider keyboard? i'm assuming that this would be easier since the virtual keys would be bigger. - Original Message - From: "James Mannion" To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > For anyone it may help, I want to share my experience on the typing > aspect of the IPhone which have gotten really good over a short time. > At first you have to trust what dozens of others have said although it > won't seem like your experience at the time. Hang in there though > because it gets really easy to do and I am talking about the typeing > too! My fingers just really amazingly remember where the letters are > and can pretty much strike the one I want just from muscle memory with > about 95% accuracy I would guess. That is after roughly about 7 hours > of any real typing on it. If you do not land on the right one, it > does help a lot if you know the qwerty keyboard really well and what > is on what row. Because if what you hear happens to be a row down or > up, just move and then over. You won't be far off though after not > much time of practice when you do miss it by any. For other things > you really remember where they are too. > > Jim > > > On 7/18/09, Kelly Ford wrote: >> >> Although it isn't the same as trying it for a week, it is my >> understanding >> you have 30 days to cancel the contract and return the iPhone. At least >> that's what I was told when I asked at an Apple store. >> >> I've used one for about an hour in two separate sessions, once in a store >> and once using a friend's phone. Within that time basic navigation >> became >> quite easy. I actually had that down in the first session. >> >> I borrowed a friend's phone to try typing again. I got faster in those >> 30 >> minutes but at least to me it will take a bit of practice to get as fast >> as >> I amon my Windows Mobile phone. That's in no way a criticism of the >> iPhone. >> I'm interested enough to probably go do the 30 day deal. The touch >> aspects >> of the phone access are compelling to me, assuming the typing can become >> equivalent. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Simon Fogarty [mailto:si...@blinky-net.com] >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:12 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility >> >> >> Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I >> could >> use one for a week before actually purchasing it >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson >> Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m. >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility >> >> >> Hello Simon, >> >> I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my >> iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, >> surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using >> either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send >> text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, >> and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the >> iPhone in both French and English. >> >> I hope this reassures you a bit. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Navigate to a Dialog Window [was Re: system has new dialog]
Hi Matthew, matthew T dyer wrote: > I have a question about the message system has new dialog. When I > boot uop my pc and when I get the sync blox it pops up for a second > the disapears then I get the message saying that system has new > dialog. How do I access the dialog with voice over. I tried running > through my listeds of open programs, but no luck. Is there anything I > need to do to get to it or what do I do. Try using window chooser menu (VO-F2 twice) to see whether there is a dialog window that you can select. This is very useful when more than one window may be open for an application. Also, you can cycle through all the open windows of an application using Command-`. (accent) The (grave) accent key is to the left of the "1" key on the row of number keys at the top of the U.S. keyboard, and is above the tab key. (Non-English keyboards may use a different key sequence to cycle between windows.) This is analogous to the Command-Tab cycling between open applications, but cycles between the open windows of Cocoa applications. HTH Cheers, Esther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction/noob questions(longish)
Hi, I am not doubting that readiris is very reliable and I indeed wont use it on the mac. I just wonder if it is as good (and then i mean with text recognition( as omnipage 16 pro for the pc. Yes I know its a heavy, clunky sometimes unstable piece of software but it works great for what i use it, which is scanning printed books (no handwriting) and then directly exporting them to a text file without proofreading it first. As long as the scanned input is clear and nobody has written in the book with a pencil or something the text is nearly perfect. Maybe I will try out readiris when I have my mac but I am prepared to keep using windows (wither on another machine or as dual boot/vmware option) if omnipage turn sout to be better. Do you know if readires is able to scan/ocr multiple pages at once/export them all to one file (i have a sheetfeeder that can scan approximately 25 pages at once) I am also not sure if the fact that I can scan both sides of a page is built-in to my scanner (it does this mechanically) or if i have to rely on the software to tell it to do this. thanks for the info, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: "Anne Robertson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 5:41 PM Subject: Re: introduction/noob questions(longish) > > Hello Anowk, > > Readiris is a very reliable OCR application. It is cheaper than > Omnipage and is updated regularly. As I said earlier, Omnipage for the > Mac hasn't been updated in years and it is likely that it won't work > at all with Snow Leopard. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.20/2248 - datum van uitgifte: 07/19/09 05:57:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I have tried but ik like the regular keyboard bettery Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2009, at 3:33 PM, "Tasha Raella Chemel" wrote: > >Just curious -- have people tried using the option that allows > you to > use a wider keyboard? i'm assuming that this would be easier since the > virtual keys would be bigger. > - Original Message - > From: "James Mannion" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > >> >> For anyone it may help, I want to share my experience on the typing >> aspect of the IPhone which have gotten really good over a short time. >> At first you have to trust what dozens of others have said although >> it >> won't seem like your experience at the time. Hang in there though >> because it gets really easy to do and I am talking about the typeing >> too! My fingers just really amazingly remember where the letters are >> and can pretty much strike the one I want just from muscle memory >> with >> about 95% accuracy I would guess. That is after roughly about 7 >> hours >> of any real typing on it. If you do not land on the right one, it >> does help a lot if you know the qwerty keyboard really well and what >> is on what row. Because if what you hear happens to be a row down or >> up, just move and then over. You won't be far off though after not >> much time of practice when you do miss it by any. For other things >> you really remember where they are too. >> >> Jim >> >> >> On 7/18/09, Kelly Ford wrote: >>> >>> Although it isn't the same as trying it for a week, it is my >>> understanding >>> you have 30 days to cancel the contract and return the iPhone. At >>> least >>> that's what I was told when I asked at an Apple store. >>> >>> I've used one for about an hour in two separate sessions, once in >>> a store >>> and once using a friend's phone. Within that time basic navigation >>> became >>> quite easy. I actually had that down in the first session. >>> >>> I borrowed a friend's phone to try typing again. I got faster in >>> those >>> 30 >>> minutes but at least to me it will take a bit of practice to get >>> as fast >>> as >>> I amon my Windows Mobile phone. That's in no way a criticism of the >>> iPhone. >>> I'm interested enough to probably go do the 30 day deal. The touch >>> aspects >>> of the phone access are compelling to me, assuming the typing can >>> become >>> equivalent. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Simon Fogarty [mailto:si...@blinky-net.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:12 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility >>> >>> >>> Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I >>> could >>> use one for a week before actually purchasing it >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson >>> Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m. >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility >>> >>> >>> Hello Simon, >>> >>> I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great >>> with my >>> iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, >>> surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go >>> using >>> either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and >>> send >>> text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh >>> yes, >>> and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use >>> the >>> iPhone in both French and English. >>> >>> I hope this reassures you a bit. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction/noob questions(longish)
Hello Anowk, On Jul 19, 2009, at 10:37 PM, a radix wrote: > I am not doubting that readiris is very reliable and I indeed wont use > it on the mac. I just wonder if it is as good (and then i mean with > text > recognition( as omnipage 16 pro for the pc. I can't answer this as I've never used a PC, but it works at least as well as Omnipage for the Mac. > Yes I know its a heavy, clunky > sometimes unstable piece of software but it works great for what i > use it, > which is scanning printed books (no handwriting) and then directly > exporting > them to a text file without proofreading it first. I do this with Readiris. > As long as the scanned > input is clear and nobody has written in the book with a pencil or > something > the text is nearly perfect. This is true for Readiris. I use it in both French and English. > > Do you know if readires is able to scan/ocr multiple pages at once/ > export > them all to one file (i have a sheetfeeder that can scan > approximately 25 > pages at once) Yes, it can. > I am also not sure if the fact that I can scan both sides of > a page is built-in to my scanner (it does this mechanically) or if i > have to > rely on the software to tell it to do this. It must be built into your scanner. It's physically impossible for my scanner to scan both sides of a sheet without turning the paper over. I hope this helps. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
On Jul 19, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Tasha Raella Chemel wrote: >Just curious -- have people tried using the option that allows > you to > use a wider keyboard? i'm assuming that this would be easier since the > virtual keys would be bigger. Early on, the wider landscape keyboard was what I found to be easier. As you become comfortable with the touch screen, you'll find that the additional size actually slows you down, as you have more realestate to cover to get from key to key. The smaller portrait keyboard is what I've managed to become very proficient on, ultimately. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: auto text on i phone
In the Settings app on the iPhone, choose General, Accessibility, and you can turn off the speaking of auto text. I've done this, as you can review the choices for auto texts without having them spoken automatically, which become tedious after a while. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 19, 2009, at 8:21 AM, william lomas wrote: > > hi all, can the auto text on an i phone when typing > text be > disabled? > asking on behalf of a friend who has the IPhone 3gS > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Playing Windows Media Content
Hi all: I downloaded Windows Media Player for Mac but it is in the form of an SITX File. I can't seem to get StuffIt unless I pay for a promo. LOL Any ideas on what other free utilities can do the job? Maybe there's another player that will work. TNX All: Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Playing Windows Media Content
all you need is flip for mac I believe. all avi files play for me now. and if I'm not mistaken, WMV too and WaV definitely play. it's just a plugin that works with itunes and stuff. I could be wrong but since I got flip for mac, all my windows content plays. On Jul 20, 2009, at 12:38 AM, Mike wrote: > > Hi all: > > I downloaded Windows Media Player for Mac but it is in the form of an > SITX File. > I can't seem to get StuffIt unless I pay for a promo. LOL > Any ideas on what other free utilities can do the job? Maybe there's > another player that will work. > > TNX All: > > Mike > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: daisy
There are two DAISY playback systems under development for the Mac they are: Olearia http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia/ Which is beoing developed by Curtin University and the Association for the Blind of Western Australia Emerson http://code.google.com/p/emerson-reader/ Developed by a programmer at the Swedish Talking Book library TPB Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com On Jul 17, 2009, at 6:13 PM, william lomas wrote: > > hi did someone mention a new diasy player was available for the mac? > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still no luck with unziping bookshare files
You need to get a copy of Stuffit Expander it is free and will ask for the password. Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:10 AM, matthew T dyer wrote: > > Hi all. I went into the prefrences and made a changes as whare to the > files and still no luck will keep playing around with it but if there > are any ideas on how to get around this thanks. I know that in > windows if unziping something and it is password protected it would > ask you for the password. > > Matthew > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still no luck with unziping bookshare files
Hello, I don't have any problem with the unarchiver at all. It always asks for the password. But of course, stuffit will also work. Dan On Jul 19, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: > > You need to get a copy of Stuffit Expander it is free and will ask for > the password. > > > Gregory Kearney > Manager - Accessible Media > Association for the Blind of Western Australia > 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 > Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia > > Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 > Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) > Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 > Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) > Email: gkear...@gmail.com > > On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:10 AM, matthew T dyer wrote: > >> >> Hi all. I went into the prefrences and made a changes as whare to >> the >> files and still no luck will keep playing around with it but if there >> are any ideas on how to get around this thanks. I know that in >> windows if unziping something and it is password protected it would >> ask you for the password. >> >> Matthew >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi, 3.2.1 or something has a tripple tap of the home button to launch it. Though this is in beta it was posted here a while back. Regards, Alex, On 19-Jul-09, at 4:36 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > James, > > It's a fair point about not being able to run voiceover on the iPhone > unaided without access to iTunes. What I'd like to see in an update > is the ability to launch and disable VO with a voice command. I've > emailed Apple about it and got a hopeful response. I'm guessing that > seeing as the Nano's and Shuffle's need to be activated with iTunes > Apple went for consistancy, either that or it or the idea didn't occur > to them. > > You have to admit though that being able to activate it yourself even > through iTunes is a lot closer to true out of the box accessibility > than blundering your way through a Symbian time/date setup and an > instalation of your prefered screen reader, or worse still, relying on > Nokia's Voiceaid offering. > > Scott > > On 7/19/09, James & Nash wrote: >> >> I have not seen one yet, but I am going to spend some time with an >> Apple rep >> tomorrow. >> >> I agree, it is really nice to see a mainstream vender include a >> Screen >> Reader for no extra cost, but then the IPhone is considerably more >> expensive >> than other models but then you have to pay for Talks or Mobile >> Speak. The >> only thing I would disagree with is the view that the IPhone is >> accessible >> "out of the box". From all that I've read and heard, we cannot turn >> VO on >> ourselves without access to ITunes - so if we do not have access to >> it >> immediately, then we cannot access the phone by ourselves. Perhaps >> this is a >> literal take on the phrase "accessible out of the box", but then >> the phrase >> lends itself to that way of thinking. >> >> Take care >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Chesworth" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:11 PM >> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility >> >> >>> >>> Will said: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it >>> new but the n eighty two does everything that does >>> >>> Real world says: apart from out of the box accessibility to the >>> entire >>> User interface, a far broader scope for additional apps, and a UI >>> that >>> can only increase a VI user's often lacking knowledge of all things >>> layout. There's so many pro's and cons to each device for each >>> user. >>> If Symbian and actual buttons will always float your boat more then >>> fair enough, use it and prosper, it's here to stay for a while yet. >>> But Dismissing one of the few big accessibility efforts made by a >>> mainstream vender as the same old same old with a gimicky new touch >>> screen thing before you've even had experience with it is an >>> attitude >>> that will ensure we're always slightly behind the trend with >>> technology, so well done you. >>> >>> Slightly ranty perhaps, but I hope you see my point. And in case I >>> get labeled an iPhone fanatic, I don't own one. I've tinkered and >>> mostly enjoyed the experience, seemed to me that any barriers I felt >>> like I was facing with the device were entirely due to my lack of >>> experience with an interface where I'm closer to being even with any >>> sighted user than I've ever been before. >>> >>> >>> On 7/19/09, william lomas wrote: i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n eighty two does everything that does On 19 Jul 2009, at 09:35, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour > today and > I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. > I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones > system > is not > as efficient yet as I would have hoped. > > However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I > shouldn't > change > to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 > does > everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > > Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is > so > very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's > probably > tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget > about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in > to this > and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a > slow > growth to understanding product rather than something that can be > quickly affixed. > On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Just w
Re: system has new dialog
Hi, It is just a quick alert that flashes up on screen. If not use "VO" + "f1" twice and go to "System Dialogs". Regards, Alex, On 19-Jul-09, at 8:15 AM, matthew T dyer wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a question about the message system has new dialog. When I > boot uop my pc and when I get the sync blox it pops up for a second > the disapears then I get the message saying that system has new > dialog. How do I access the dialog with voice over. I tried running > through my listeds of open programs, but no luck. Is there anything I > need to do to get to it or what do I do. > > Thanks, > > Matthew > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still no luck with unziping bookshare files
There is an easy way via the command-line too. Regards, Alex, On 19-Jul-09, at 5:34 PM, Dan wrote: > > Hello, > I don't have any problem with the unarchiver at all. It always asks > for the password. But of course, stuffit will also work. > Dan > On Jul 19, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: > >> >> You need to get a copy of Stuffit Expander it is free and will ask >> for >> the password. >> >> >> Gregory Kearney >> Manager - Accessible Media >> Association for the Blind of Western Australia >> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 >> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia >> >> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 >> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) >> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 >> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) >> Email: gkear...@gmail.com >> >> On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:10 AM, matthew T dyer wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all. I went into the prefrences and made a changes as whare to >>> the >>> files and still no luck will keep playing around with it but if >>> there >>> are any ideas on how to get around this thanks. I know that in >>> windows if unziping something and it is password protected it would >>> ask you for the password. >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Playing Windows Media Content
Hi, WMP is not accessible, so use Flip4Mac instead. Windows Media Player is unaccessible. Regards, Alex, On 19-Jul-09, at 5:14 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > all you need is flip for mac I believe. all avi files play for me now. > and if I'm not mistaken, WMV too and WaV definitely play. it's just a > plugin that works with itunes and stuff. I could be wrong but since I > got flip for mac, all my windows content plays. > On Jul 20, 2009, at 12:38 AM, Mike wrote: > >> >> Hi all: >> >> I downloaded Windows Media Player for Mac but it is in the form of an >> SITX File. >> I can't seem to get StuffIt unless I pay for a promo. LOL >> Any ideas on what other free utilities can do the job? Maybe there's >> another player that will work. >> >> TNX All: >> >> Mike >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still no luck with unziping bookshare files
Hello, My main objection to telling people to use Stuffit Expander now is that current versions of the program require you to provide your email address and then send you spam. As Dan says, the Unarchiver should work to unpack these Bookshare files, and many other. It sounds as though it might be a permissions problem if the compressed file can be downloaded but not unpacked, since Matthew has the Unarchiver. If anyone does need to get a copy of Stuffit Expander, use this link from version tracker: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/182 This points to the page for Stuffit Expander 13.0.2 (2008-11-06), which is the last version that you can directly download as a diskimage file without registering an address at the Smith-Micro site. That version works on any files I would use Stuffit Expander for. I prefer to use the Unarchiver: http://wakaba.c3.cx/s/apps/unarchiver.html Cheers, Esther On Jul 19, 2009, at 14:34, Dan wrote: > > Hello, > I don't have any problem with the unarchiver at all. It always asks > for the password. But of course, stuffit will also work. > Dan > On Jul 19, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: > >> >> You need to get a copy of Stuffit Expander it is free and will ask >> for >> the password. >> >> >> Gregory Kearney >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
safari 4.0.2 seems to get stuck
Hi listers, Do any of you have this problem? I recently downloaded safari 4.0.2 on my mac running Leopard. Since the update, voiceover no longer moves to the HTML content of many pages even when they're done loading. Worse yet is that sometimes, I do not see the area that says HTML content after some sites are done loading. Pages may load, but voiceover shows me the buttons at the top of the screen, and the google search box at the bottom. The only way I can get to the content of pages is to hit tab through all the buttons until I reach the first link. After this, voiceover seems to allow me to navigate the page as normal. Did something go wrong during my update, or are others experiencing these issues? Thanks, John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari 4.0.2 seems to get stuck
I have seen this behavior, I just reload the page with command r and all works. On Jul 19, 2009, at 8:29 PM, John J Herzog wrote: > > Hi listers, > Do any of you have this problem? I recently downloaded safari 4.0.2 on > my mac running Leopard. Since the update, voiceover no longer moves > to the HTML content of many pages even when they're done loading. > Worse yet is that sometimes, I do not see the area that says HTML > content after some sites are done loading. Pages may load, but > voiceover shows me the buttons at the top of the screen, and the > google search box at the bottom. The only way I can get to the content > of pages is to hit tab through all the buttons until I reach the first > link. After this, voiceover seems to allow me to navigate the page as > normal. > Did something go wrong during my update, or are others experiencing > these issues? > > Thanks, > > John > > > louie louiem...@wavecable.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari 4.0.2 seems to get stuck
your gonna think this is weird, but i was having that problem before i upgraded, then after upgrading, it was loads better. Chris On Jul 19, 2009, at 8:29 PM, John J Herzog wrote: > > Hi listers, > Do any of you have this problem? I recently downloaded safari 4.0.2 on > my mac running Leopard. Since the update, voiceover no longer moves > to the HTML content of many pages even when they're done loading. > Worse yet is that sometimes, I do not see the area that says HTML > content after some sites are done loading. Pages may load, but > voiceover shows me the buttons at the top of the screen, and the > google search box at the bottom. The only way I can get to the content > of pages is to hit tab through all the buttons until I reach the first > link. After this, voiceover seems to allow me to navigate the page as > normal. > Did something go wrong during my update, or are others experiencing > these issues? > > Thanks, > > John > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari 4.0.2 seems to get stuck
Hi, The work around is uninteract with the toolbar and navigate to the HTML area. The toolbar is where you are getting such. Regards, Alex, On 19-Jul-09, at 8:29 PM, John J Herzog wrote: > > Hi listers, > Do any of you have this problem? I recently downloaded safari 4.0.2 on > my mac running Leopard. Since the update, voiceover no longer moves > to the HTML content of many pages even when they're done loading. > Worse yet is that sometimes, I do not see the area that says HTML > content after some sites are done loading. Pages may load, but > voiceover shows me the buttons at the top of the screen, and the > google search box at the bottom. The only way I can get to the content > of pages is to hit tab through all the buttons until I reach the first > link. After this, voiceover seems to allow me to navigate the page as > normal. > Did something go wrong during my update, or are others experiencing > these issues? > > Thanks, > > John > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
review of OCR now for the Iphone
Hi listers, While reading about the accessible apps for the Iphone, I came across this review of OCR now. It is written by a gentlemen who uses voiceover, and I found it both informative and humerous at parts. For anybody interested, the link is here. http://aloadofoldsquit.blogspot.com/2009/06/ocrnow-lite-for-iphone-3gs.html regards, John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: review of OCR now for the Iphone
Hello John and all: Thank you for posting this link to the post describing OCR Now Lite. I had been holding back on taking a look at this app though this description has given me the push to give it a go. Thank you so much. If I like it I will have you to thank for it. On Jul 20, 2009, at 12:12 AM, John J Herzog wrote: > > Hi listers, > While reading about the accessible apps for the Iphone, I came across > this review of OCR now. It is written by a gentlemen who uses > voiceover, and I found it both informative and humerous at parts. > For anybody interested, the link is here. > > http://aloadofoldsquit.blogspot.com/2009/06/ocrnow-lite-for-iphone-3gs.html > regards, > > John > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: daisy
thanks greg On 20 Jul 2009, at 01:19, Greg Kearney wrote: > There are two DAISY playback systems under development for the Mac > they are: > > Olearia http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia/ > Which is beoing developed by Curtin University and the Association > for the Blind of Western Australia > > Emerson http://code.google.com/p/emerson-reader/ > Developed by a programmer at the Swedish Talking Book library TPB > > > > Gregory Kearney > Manager - Accessible Media > Association for the Blind of Western Australia > 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 > Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia > > Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 > Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) > Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 > Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) > Email: gkear...@gmail.com > > On Jul 17, 2009, at 6:13 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> hi did someone mention a new diasy player was available for the mac? >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Will have to test this, but I'm hearing that in the latest version of Fusion, which is virtualization software, that the capslock key, does get passed through to the VM properly now. On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:57 PM, May and Wynter wrote: > > If I put windows on my mac machine when I get it, do I have to have > the > keypad tha you are talking about to use windows? > > May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. > - Original Message - > From: "Esther" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac > take two > hands? > > >> >> Hi Anouk, >> >> You don't need to use a numeric keypad with VoiceOver, but with >> Leopard you have another option of customizing your frequently used >> VoiceOver commands with the NumPad Commander. I did get a USB >> keypad, >> the Lenovo 33L3225 Numeric Keypad, so I could learn the NumPad >> Commander sequences with my laptop. (This also works with Windows >> and >> with Linux, incidentally). Most of the time I use VoiceOver from my >> laptop without any attachments. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:45, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: >>> Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: "Victor Tsaran" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? > > Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option > keys, > you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to > unlock > them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with > various > objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). > It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of > time, > especially if you are a heavy laptop user. > Good luck, > Vic > > On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. >> Then you >> don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover >> commands. >> >> CB >> >> william lomas wrote: >>> you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate >>> around >>> >>> On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: >>> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > -- > > --- > I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ > vick08 > or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com > --- > >> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
