Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Lubuntu fake-PAE installed system image file for Lubuntu 13.10 Saucy Salamander

[Nio Wiklund]

Good luck!

I think the lubuntu-core image can be useful for other people.
And please report back, when you have results from 'grub-n-iso' :-)

I think 'grub-n-iso' will install, but if not (due to low RAM), consider
installing with the OBI, before or at the end of life of XP.

Best regards Nio

On 2013-11-02 22:04, Kadrija Hrlovic wrote:
> Thank you Nio and sorry for wasting your time.
> It must have take a lot of time and effort to create the image and
> upload it to the site.
> I hope there will be people who will use your lubuntu-core image.
> I've downloaded Lubuntu-13.10-desktop-grub-n-iso-n-swap.img.gz and will
> install it when I get my hands on an extra USB stick.
> I hope I will be able to install it since I've only got 512Mb of RAM.
> Cheers!
> 
> 
> On 2 November 2013 20:45, Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kadrija,
> I will reply inline
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> On 2013-11-02 19:08, Kadrija Hrlovic wrote:
> > Thank you very much Nio.
> > I've just read OBI documentation and discovered to my horror that it
> > cannot be used for dualboot system which is what I had in mind :(
> 
> Well, not dual boot within the same drive, but it you have two drives it
> is possible. So you can boot your Pentium M equipped computer from 'an
> installed system' in a USB drive. A USB 2 pendrive is OK. A USB 3
> pendrive or a USB 2 HDD are faster.
> 
> And in April your XP will reach its end of life, and then you should not
> take the risk and run it without security updates.
> 
> > I don't want to get rid of Windows XP on my laptop.
> > Is there any way of installing the latest Lubuntu without starting
> from
> > non-pae mini.iso 12.04?
> 
> Yes. There are alternatives. I suggest that you try Lubuntu fake-PAE
> 'grub-n-iso', where grub helps you boot from the regular Lubuntu 13.10
> iso file.
> 
>     See these links
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grub-n-iso
> 
> Good luck
> Nio
> 
> > On 2 November 2013 15:34, Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
> > <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Kadrija,
> >
> > It was fairly easy but not quite straight-forward to make a
> Lubuntu Core
> > tarball from the Ubuntu 13.10 mini.iso. Please test it and let
> us know
> > how it works for you :-)
> >
> > I have uploaded a tarball with the following md5sum and name to
> > phillw.net <http://phillw.net> <http://phillw.net>
> >
> > 3d3064f982681bc1c78624d16062e6b9  tarballs/LubuntuCoreSaucy.tar.xz
> >
> > There is fake-PAE. But in order to make the network portable I
> also
> > installed 'network-manager' and tweaked it according to this link
> >
> >
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Unmanaged_Wired_Network
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2013-11-02 09:47, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> > > That's good Kadrija,
> > >
> > > Now I know what to make:
> > >
> > > Lubuntu core with fake-pae.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Nio
> > >
> > > On 2013-11-02 09:41, Kadrija Hrlovic wrote:
> > >> Hi Nio
> > >> I would prefer to have it just with fake-pae flag and no other
> > >> customisations if possible.
> > >> My laptop is dell latitude d505:
> > >>
> > >>  *-cpu
> > >>   description: CPU
> > >>   product: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1500MHz
> > >>   vendor: Intel Corp.
> > >>   physical id: 400
> > >>   bus info: cpu@0
> > >>   version: 6.9.5
> > >>   slot: Microprocessor
> > >>   size: 1500MHz
> > >>   capacity: 1800MHz
> > >>   width: 32 bits
> > >>   clock: 133MHz
> > >>   

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] WOWLubuntu Social Media

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-03 01:55, Iberê Fernandes wrote:
> 2013/11/2 Ali Linx (amjjawad)  >
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Beside having access to: http://wowlubuntu.blogspot.com
> 
> Are you also interested to gain access for:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/WOWLubuntu
> 
> and
> 
> 
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/100534526082640317485/100534526082640317485/posts
> 
> There 'was' a Twitter account but myself and Dan have lost the login
> details and we couldn't access the email, etc ... long story :)
> 
> If you are interested, let me know :)
> 
> I am no longer interested in WOWLubuntu, simply because, I have much
> more things to do and take care of.
> 
> I know there are two people who offered their help and I also know
> they are busy. They kept me updated with their news so I am aware of
> their Real Life situation.
> 
> @Ibere
> 
> I know what will you say but I still think it would be really nice -
> as a way to spread the word of Lubuntu + help the users - to have
> some HOWTOs, Tips, etc on a list on WOWLubuntu Blog. You can
> coordinate with those who offered their help to keep WOWLubuntu
> alive if you don't wish to do that yourself :)
> 
> Please guys, let me know :)
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> P.S.
> You know 14.04 is supposed to be an LTS release, right? :P
> How about you promote for that on WOWLubuntu as well? just a very
> quick thought :D
> 
> -- 
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement
> 
> My Projects 
> 
> 
> If you're going to stay as a friendly consultant and I'm an active
> Lubuntu member, you can give me access/ownership of those properties.
> 
> HOWEVER, from my point of view, I've never understood why so many
> channels if we have so few headcount.
> 
> From my side (note it's only my opinion), I'd show all those
> channels/links to the Lubuntu community and propose to stay with only 2
> social media channels as of today: Lubuntu Official at FB and G+.
> 
> Why as of today? Today FB is the major social media channel. The like
> thing is spreaded all over. G+ comes behind, with a slightly different
> approach. So if FB fails sometime in the future, and the BLABLABLA
> (let's call blablabla the new social media king) becomes relevant, then
> I'd think about opening a new Lubuntu social media property there at
> BLABLABLA.
> 
> The good thing of having both FB and G+ official channels is that
> there're lots of newcomers/windows users becoming Lubuntu users from
> those channels. 
> 
> I'd call that Project Cleaning/Focus. We have too many sub-teams, too
> many mkt/social media channels, and so few headcount to do action.
> 
> Anyway, I'm not criticizing what you've done. Just my strict point of
> view: focus/simplicity make a great product/dish.
> 
> So, are you handing me those properties? Trust me, I won't do anything
> without asking first to our loved community.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> -- 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ibere-Fernandes
> 
> 
> 
+1

Due to our limited manpower, we must focus our efforts
Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] WOWLubuntu Social Media

[Nio Wiklund]

+1

This sounds good David,

To do things we like to do make it easier to succeed with voluntary work :-)

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-11-03 02:33, David Yentzen wrote:
> @Ibere,
>   I have expressed an interest to Ali about working on WOWLubuntu blog. 
> Are you asking to take control/lead of WOWLubuntu blog/FB/Twitter/G+? 
> If so, then can we email directly to co-ordinate our activities? I have
> no desire to engage FB, G+ or Twitter.  I am interested in and have some
> ideas for WOWLubuntu blog. 
>  If you like, feel free to contact me directly by email. I'd like to
> share with you( and any other Comms Team member!) my ideas for the blog.
> 
> Best
> David
> https://launchpad.net/~dbyentzen 


> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Iberê Fernandes
> mailto:ibere.fernan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 2013/11/2 Ali Linx (amjjawad)  >
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Beside having access to: http://wowlubuntu.blogspot.com
> 
> Are you also interested to gain access for:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/WOWLubuntu
> 
> and
> 
> 
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/100534526082640317485/100534526082640317485/posts
> 
> There 'was' a Twitter account but myself and Dan have lost the
> login details and we couldn't access the email, etc ... long
> story :)
> 
> If you are interested, let me know :)
> 
> I am no longer interested in WOWLubuntu, simply because, I have
> much more things to do and take care of.
> 
> I know there are two people who offered their help and I also
> know they are busy. They kept me updated with their news so I am
> aware of their Real Life situation.
> 
> @Ibere
> 
> I know what will you say but I still think it would be really
> nice - as a way to spread the word of Lubuntu + help the users -
> to have some HOWTOs, Tips, etc on a list on WOWLubuntu Blog. You
> can coordinate with those who offered their help to keep
> WOWLubuntu alive if you don't wish to do that yourself :)
> 
> Please guys, let me know :)
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> P.S.
> You know 14.04 is supposed to be an LTS release, right? :P
> How about you promote for that on WOWLubuntu as well? just a
> very quick thought :D
> 
> -- 
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement
> 
> My Projects 
> 
> 
> If you're going to stay as a friendly consultant and I'm an active
> Lubuntu member, you can give me access/ownership of those properties.
> 
> HOWEVER, from my point of view, I've never understood why so many
> channels if we have so few headcount.
> 
> From my side (note it's only my opinion), I'd show all those
> channels/links to the Lubuntu community and propose to stay with
> only 2 social media channels as of today: Lubuntu Official at FB and G+.
> 
> Why as of today? Today FB is the major social media channel. The
> like thing is spreaded all over. G+ comes behind, with a slightly
> different approach. So if FB fails sometime in the future, and the
> BLABLABLA (let's call blablabla the new social media king) becomes
> relevant, then I'd think about opening a new Lubuntu social media
> property there at BLABLABLA.
> 
> The good thing of having both FB and G+ official channels is that
> there're lots of newcomers/windows users becoming Lubuntu users from
> those channels. 
> 
> I'd call that Project Cleaning/Focus. We have too many sub-teams,
> too many mkt/social media channels, and so few headcount to do action.
> 
> Anyway, I'm not criticizing what you've done. Just my strict point
> of view: focus/simplicity make a great product/dish.
> 
> So, are you handing me those properties? Trust me, I won't do
> anything without asking first to our loved community.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] WOWLubuntu Social Media

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-03 15:54, Iberê Fernandes wrote:
> answers in line by Iberê:
...
> 
> Just one more thing to keep in mind: "if you build, they'll come/ if you
> plant, they'll come". I'm not sure exactly how the quote was, but the
> idea is that if you build and show your products to the market, the
> products will be bought by the consumers". In Economy, this strategy
> proved to be wrong. The climax of doing things wrong is the New York
> 1929 Crash: too many offered products, so few consumers to buy. 

I agree. I think we should say something like this today: "If you sell,
there is always some way to build it" ;-)

In the affluent society, the hard thing is to sell. So the publishing,
promoting and market activities around Lubuntu are really important.

Best regards
Nio


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[Lubuntu-comms] improve info about PAE at lubuntu.net

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Sergio and Phill,

Please change the paragraph about System Requirements at

lubuntu.net

or teach me how to change it! The information about PAE is wrong,
because Lubuntu 12.04 has passed end of life!!! This has been commented
on in a published article (found by David Yentzen)

http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2013/10/lubuntu-1310-perfect-for-netbooks.html

I would like to change this sentence:
-
If you have a NON-PAE CPU you can use 12.04 instead.
-
to the following sentences:
-
If you have a pre-Pentium II CPU, start from the Ubuntu 12.04 mini.iso.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
and please consider the tips in this link
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2130640

If you have a Celeron M or Pentium M CPU without a PAE flag but with PAE
capability, use fake-PAE according to this link
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
or install a suitable non-PAE or fake-PAE system via the One Button
Installer
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971
-
Best regards
Nio

ps/
How can I reach Mario Behling who owns the web page lubuntu.net? I tried
to write a comment, but it bumped after the captcha (I tried several times).
/ds

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu fake-PAE installed system image file for Lubuntu 13.10 Saucy Salamander

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-06 02:11, JM wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 19:08:28 +0100
> Kadrija Hrlovic  wrote:
> 
>> Thank you very much Nio.
>> I've just read OBI documentation and discovered to my horror that it cannot
>> be used for dualboot system which is what I had in mind :(
>> I don't want to get rid of Windows XP on my laptop.
>> Is there any way of installing the latest Lubuntu without starting from
>> non-pae mini.iso 12.04?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As far as I remember wasn't 12.04 Lubuntu having a generic kernel? Or is it a 
> mini.iso
> 13.10 which is missing?
> 
> (I may have suggests for an alternative solution, depending on your answer 
> and on what
> other machine/ubuntu system you may have).
> 
> Regards,
> Mélodie
> 

Lubuntu and Xubuntu 12.04 have non-PAE kernels. Lubuntu has passed end
of life, while Xubuntu has long time support until April 2015.

It is possible to start from a 12.04 non-PAE mini.iso, but if you
install the Lubuntu desktop, there will be no support. Then it is better
to use a new mini.iso and fake-PAE, or use another desktop based on
12.04, that has long time support (LXLE, Bodhi or Precise Gnome Classic
Tweaks).

I used the 13.10 mini.iso and fake-PAE for the Lubuntu Core tarball.

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Meeting, ~#PhillW 21st

[Nio Wiklund]

+1

Nio alias sudodus

On 2013-11-07 03:32, David Yentzen wrote:
> Kris,
>   The Lubuntu Linux community is a */voluntary /*community, made up of
> many individuals--all of us bring skills to the community. You may
> request but you */may not/*, by implication of rhetoric, require
> anything of me. Allow me to elucidate the point that you attempted to
> make, none of us are contractually bound-none of us are paid: you will
> get more with the carrot than the stick. I will not be directed,
> especially by an absent landlord.
> 
> Regards,
> David
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Phill Whiteside  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Kris,
> 
> with the greatest of respect; that is not how we did things on
> lubuntu. So remove me from all groups. 
> 
> Others can decide if they require to attend a voluntary system, or
> just walk away.
> 
> I wish you well,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> On 7 November 2013 00:57, Kristopher Maguire
> mailto:krismagu...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> 
> Good Evening Folks,
> 
> I have been absent from the Communications group for a little
> while, 
> 
> I want to see all members of all sub teams online within IRC on
> the 27th:
> 
> Many Subteams have been set up without my permission, so you may
> be ended! 
> 
> I was brought on for my expertise, that I normally charge for! 
> 
> IRC MEETING 27TH ##PHILLW
> 
> 
> Best Regards, 
> 
> 
> *Kristopher Maguire.*
> *Lubuntu Communications Team Leader.*
> *https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms
> *
> *https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KristopherMaguire*
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Ownership of Lubuntu Communications Team

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-07 15:30, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Okay, we have a situation here :(
> 
> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms
> 
> 
> It seems that Kris has removed himself from the team but before that, he
> handed over the ownership to someone: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-iber
>  and that new owner has joined the
> team 5 hours ago: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms/+members#active
> 
> 
> Okay, this is yet another mess after what happened with last night emails.
> 
> @Iber
> If you are reading this, could you please contact us? thank you!

+1

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> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement 
> My Projects 
> 
> 

Could iber (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-iber) be an alias for Mario
Behling, the guy who 'owns' Lubuntu.net? I would not guess it is you,
Iberê, you have a launchpad account already.

I noticed, that Lubuntu.net has been edited: The text about PAE is
updated :-)

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Ownership of Lubuntu Communications Team

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-07 16:23, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Could iber (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-iber
> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-iber>) be an alias for Mario
> Behling, the guy who 'owns' Lubuntu.net? I would not guess it is you,
> Iberę, you have a launchpad account already.
> 
> 
> https://launchpad.net/~mariobehling <https://launchpad.net/%7Emariobehling>
>  
> 
> -- 
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
> Areas of Involvement <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
> My Projects <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects>

OK, but I still don't think it is Iberê. He has also stated that he does
not want such a role.

1. Do you have any guess who iber could be?

2. Do you have any guess who has edited the Lubuntu.net web page?

Best regards
Nio



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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Ownership of Lubuntu Communications Team

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-07 16:35, Iberê Fernandes wrote:
> 2013/11/7 Sergio Meneses  <mailto:sergioandresmene...@gmail.com>>
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> On 2013-11-07 15:30, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Okay, we have a situation here :(
> >
> > https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms
> <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-comms>
> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-comms>
> >
> > It seems that Kris has removed himself from the team but
> before that, he
> > handed over the ownership to someone:
> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-iber
> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-iber>
> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-iber> and that new owner has
> joined the
> > team 5 hours ago:
> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms/+members#active
> <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-comms/+members#active>
> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-comms/+members#active>
> >
> 
> 
> Kris should let us know about this change before! =/ and vUDS is coming
>  
> 
> > Okay, this is yet another mess after what happened with last
> night emails.
> >
> > @Iber
> > If you are reading this, could you please contact us? thank you!
> 
> +1
> 
> 
> Agree
>  
> 
> 
> > --
> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> > Best Regards,
> > amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
> > Areas of Involvement
> <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
> > My Projects <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects>
> >
> >
> 
> Could iber (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-iber
> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-iber>) be an alias for Mario
> Behling, the guy who 'owns' Lubuntu.net? I would not guess it is
> you,
> Iberê, you have a launchpad account already.
> 
> I noticed, that Lubuntu.net has been edited: The text about PAE is
> updated :-)
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
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> Yes, Kris should have let us know before... 
> 
> But  I believe he left because of some disrespectful events you've read
> on the list and some others that happened at our Facebook group/social
> media channel. Let's forget about the disrespect that happened. 
> 
> We need active/supportive Lubuntu members at lubuntu-comms@
> 
> I have a launchpad account and it's not ubuntu-iber. I'm trying to find
> out who's ubuntu-iber.
> 
> Kris left a message on my Facebook inbox:
> "
> 
> 12:15pm
> *Kristopher Maguire <https://www.facebook.com/kristopher.maguire>*
> **
> 
> The situation as of now is that I've decided to leave Lubuntu. I've
> missed too much and no longer have the time to commit to it, the time
> that's required of members to make the group flourish.
> 
> I've removed myself from all associated groups etc and passed on the
> Launchpad team to Ibere. You guys will need to organise for a new TL to
> be elected or stick with Ibere. "
> 
> 
> I've been active/supportive and I'm not a Leader of anything. I do not
> believe in badges. I prefer to be active/supportive and a responsible
> member.
> 
> Now let's keep trying to find who's ubuntu-iber once we need a trustful
> person as lubuntu-comms@ owner.
> 
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> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ibere-Fernandes
> 

Is there even a slight possibility that Kris created the Launchpad
account iber for you Iberê (not checking that you already have one)?

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Ownership of Lubuntu Communications Team

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-07 16:45, Iberê Fernandes wrote:
> 2013/11/7 Nio Wiklund mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>
> 
> On 2013-11-07 16:35, Iberę Fernandes wrote:
> > 2013/11/7 Sergio Meneses  <mailto:sergioandresmene...@gmail.com>
> > <mailto:sergioandresmene...@gmail.com
> <mailto:sergioandresmene...@gmail.com>>>
> >
>     >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Nio Wiklund
> mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
> > <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 2013-11-07 15:30, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Okay, we have a situation here :(
> > >
> > > https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms
> <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-comms>
> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-comms>
> > > <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-comms>
> > >
> > > It seems that Kris has removed himself from the team but
> > before that, he
> > > handed over the ownership to someone:
> > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-iber
> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-iber>
> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-iber>
> > > <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-iber> and that new
> owner has
> > joined the
> > > team 5 hours ago:
> > https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms/+members#active
> <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-comms/+members#active>
> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-comms/+members#active>
> > > <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-comms/+members#active>
> > >
> >
> >
> > Kris should let us know about this change before! =/ and vUDS
> is coming
> >
> >
> > > Okay, this is yet another mess after what happened with last
> > night emails.
> > >
> > > @Iber
> > > If you are reading this, could you please contact us?
> thank you!
> >
> > +1
> >
> >
> > Agree
> >
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> > > Best Regards,
> > > amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
> > > Areas of Involvement
> > <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
> > > My Projects <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects>
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Could iber (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-iber
> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-iber>
> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-iber>) be an alias for Mario
> > Behling, the guy who 'owns' Lubuntu.net? I would not guess
> it is
> > you,
> > Iberę, you have a launchpad account already.
> >
> > I noticed, that Lubuntu.net has been edited: The text
> about PAE is
> > updated :-)
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu Communications Team] New Team Leader Needed Urgently

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-07 22:28, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> As a member of Lubuntu Communications Member and Former Team Leader, I'd
> like to apologize for what happened last night over the mailing list of
> Lubuntu Communications Team. What happened is from the past. Please,
> let's forget about it and move forward.
> 
> Kindly, have a read at:
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/lubuntu-comms-lead-needed
> 
> Everything is explained in details.
> 
> If there is anything not clear, please, simply ask.
> 
> I'd like to highlight the roles here as well:
> */4- There will be total four (4) members as follows:
> 
> a- Head of Lubuntu Communications
> b- Administrator of Lubuntu Communications
> /*c- Social Media Admin #1*/
> d- Social Media Admin #2/*
> 
> FYI: Iberê Fernandes has offered his help for the role of Social Media
> Admin so 'c' has already a candidate.
> 
> Which means: a + b + d are vacant for now.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> -- 
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement 
> My Projects 
> 
> 
My dear friend Ali,

You have been doing a lot to solve this problem. I see no reason why you
should apologize for what happened. Anyway, I agree with you, that what
happened is from the past, and let's move forward :-)

Best regards
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] [Lubuntu-brainstorming] New Header Design

[Nio Wiklund]

This is a nice re-design of the web page :-)

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-11-11 02:15, Sergio Meneses wrote:
> Hi guys!
> 
> I have created new designs and put the others together in the same wiki
> to get a good view of the changes, you can find there the current design
> as well.
> 
> remember we are working on the re-design, the content is no complete we
> might add more links to provide more information to our visitors
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioMeneses/sandbox/Lubuntu-Wiki/headerGeneral
> 
> ok guys! please send your ideas and thoughts as always, and remember
> this header will be in all our wikis :)
> 
> 
> Regards and big hugs
> 
> 
> Sergio Meneses
> Linux User: #478743
> Ubuntu User: #24056
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Sergio Meneses
> mailto:sergioandresmene...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)
> mailto:amjja...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Rafael Laguna
> mailto:rafaellag...@ubuntu.com>> wrote:
> 
> Heeey, I'm still alive. Sorry, busy lately.
> 
> 
> Of course you are, welcome back ;)
>  
> 
> 
> I already made a header, and tried to make it general. You
> can check it at the general artwork page:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork
> 
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/HeaderWide
> 
> This one?
> Icons are very small, right?
> 
> 
> +1
> 
> I would be better if we can get the icons bigger, dont you think?
> and update those icon into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> But before designing nothing, we must be clear about what we
> need to point up there, and make it small (remember little
> screens current is huge), accessible and very very clear.
> 
> After that, I could make any icon needed. So what sections /
> menu do you think we need?
> 
> 
> Well, I just suggest (on the previous email) some suggestions :)
> 
>  
> 
> --
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> Lubuntu Artwork Team
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement
> 
> My Projects 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [ATTENTION] Lubuntu Website

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-11 12:07, Lars Noodén wrote:
> On 11/11/2013 12:55 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> [snip]
>> https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-comms/msg00726.html
>>
>> And, until date, there is NO reply from Mario nor anyone else who at least
>> 'claims' that he/she is in charge :)
> [snip]
> 
> I wrote to the mb@ address back on the 6th of November regarding fixing
> some small problems with the site's rendering.  To my knowledge, I have
> not gotten back any kind of response whatsoever.  According to whois, he
> is still the overall contact for the site but most sites have more than
> one with write access.
> 
> There is no contact info give, just a redirect to the wiki.  Though we
> have a lot on the table, this should to be escalated.  There need to be
> at least two with write access to the web site so that should something
> happen to one, like we have now, the other can still carry on.
> 
> Regards,
> /Lars
> 

+1

Best regards
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [ATTENTION] Lubuntu Website

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi,
[replies inline]
Best regards
Nio

On 2013-11-11 11:55, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The Waiting Period is over now :)
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  > wrote:
> 
> Dear Communications Team and Brainstorming Team,
> 
> May I have you attention, please?
> 
> 
> For 5 days, no one has replied except Sergio? Hmm, this is not good :)
>  
> 
> 
> First of all, for those who are now aware of this, Lubuntu Team or
> at least those who are still active and around, they don't have
> access on the Website of Lubuntu and can't update it often. This is
> a long story that I am avoiding for now but at the same time, I feel
> that I must jump in and do something about this due to the huge
> importance of Lubuntu 14.04 for us as a community and for our users
> and because of all that, I can't remain silent about this anymore.
> 
> 
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/lubuntu-website
> 
> I know some of you may not be so patient and wait for a response
> from anyone. Therefore, this email :)
> 
> 1- I am working side by side with some good members of Lubuntu
> Community to come up with a solution to this issue once and for all.
> Patience is required, my good friends :)
> 
> 2- I have Plan B in mind in case our mission will fail and we won't
> be able to solve the website issue so rest assure that we will not
> give up so easily ;)
> 
> 3- For the last 2 years of Lubuntu Community History, there were
> VERY few who were super active and heavily involved, doing the dirty
> job and jump in whenever needed. THIS SHOULD BE HISTORY NOW. I ask
> each and everyone to be responsible and HELP and WORK as a team. You
> are not required to do much, just do something because you are part
> of this team. I am not going to ask you what you need to do, that
> should come from you ;)
> 
> 4- "We must all have a great sense of responsibility and not let
> things happen because everyone takes the comfortable view that
> someone else is looking after it. Someone else isn't looking after
> it = Team Work.
> 
> 
> 
> I have updated the above Blueprint with the latest progress and if
> there is anything new, I will update it right away.
> 
> As for Plan B, you need to be patient :) I don't want to discuss
> that while there is still some hope :)
> 
> I expect your support and help in this issue, simply because, you
> belong to the best community in the world and part of the best
> system in the world and it is a pleasure to be part of this community :)
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
> https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-comms/msg00726.html
> 
> And, until date, there is NO reply from Mario nor anyone else who at
> least 'claims' that he/she is in charge :)

There is no reply in the form of a mail, but someone has edited the text
about PAE, that I requested on the page Lubuntu.net. The edit is done in
a positive way (improving the text).

So there is response. Who edited the page? Is there some link, that we
@Lubuntu-comms don't know?

> Before I carry on with the idea I had in mind, I must be extra honest
> with all of you.
> 
> Lubuntu Team has a big issue which is LACK of communications. I have
> failed to find a logical explanation to this. I don't want to make it
> even worse but I personally do NOT like the way this team is heading.
> Yes, we are all volunteers and yes, real life comes first and all that
> is totally understood but what happened to the word: 'commitment' ???
> even if this is a volunteer job or task, people who are in charge/action
> must communicate and everyone who thinks he is involved must
> communicate. Am I missing something here? is there any other
> communication channel that I am not aware of?

What does Julien Lavergne know? Has he got a password to edit the page
or is he asking Mario Behling to edit the page (in private communications)?

What does Julien think about our activity? Maybe he does not want us to
get control of Lubuntu.net.

Who dares or wants to ask Julien?

> 
> *_Okay, the plan is:_*
> 
> Since we haven't received any reply, I do suggest to focus our attention
> on: [http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com] instead of the website that WE, as
> Lubuntu Team, has NO control over.
> 
> This suggestion/idea is based on many reasons:
> 
> 1- Rafael is the administrator of Lubuntu Blog and he is around and
> reply his emails and jump in to help and roll up his sleeves every time
> we need his help. He is a real active member who deserves our full respect.
> 
> 2- Lubuntu Blog can be updated, corrected, publish, etc ... it is an
> active channel that WE do have control over.
> 
> 3- Dealing with Lubuntu Blog is piece of cake. You can always update,
> correct mistakes, etc. No big deal.
> 
> 4- Rafael, AFAIK, doesn't mind to give 'Author' Access to members who
> are interested to p

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] History of Lubuntu Website - lubuntu.net

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-11 15:36, Lars Noodén wrote:
> On 11/11/2013 04:32 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Some old threads found on the Public Archive of Lubuntu Mailing List:
>>
>>
>>1. https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg04911.html - Unsolved.
>>2. https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg05038.html - Unsolved.
>>3. https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg05474.html - someone
>>has offered his help to build a new website for Lubuntu and he had not got
>>the support he needed as far as I remember.
>>4. https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg05377.html - back in
>>time when there were some kind of activities on the website.
>>5.
>>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-January/18.html-
>> back in time when there was some activities and some 'replies' from
>>people who have access to the website.
>>6.
>>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-February/000423.html-
>> when there was some replies.
>>7.
>>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-February/000499.html-
>> very interesting thread :)
>>8. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-March/000676.html-
>> another thread
>>9. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-March/000740.html-
>> still interesting to look at
>>10. https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-comms/msg00063.html - one of the
>>related problems was the Twitter Account as it was with Mario (login
>>details) and he refused to give it to anyone and after so many emails and
>>endless tries, we failed to get the login details and that is when we
>>decided to create NEW twitter account. If you check twitter, you fill find
>>3 accounts, all claim to be the official one :D
>>11. Yet, another email:
>>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-February/000449.html
>>12. https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-comms/msg00092.html - some
>>issues started to come up
>>13. Some interested threads about the website and the twitter account:
>>https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-comms/thrd4.html
>>14. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-June/001654.html-
>> Long thread about the website.
>>15. FOR those who don't know that, this is when Julien officially
>>resigned from leading Lubuntu:
>>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-May/001516.html -
>>at that time, there was some issues on the team I think started from April
>>or May, can't remember but that was the email which has changed a lot in
>>Lubuntu, at least IMHO.
>>16. From Mario:
>>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-May/001415.html - I
>>guess after that period, no one has ever heard from him again but I could
>>be wrong about the date.
>>17. Someone who offered his help and waited for so long but ... well,
>>read:
>>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2013-February/003391.html
>>18. 4-May-2013, I sent a long email to Julien about the website but that
>>email never got an answer until date.
>>
>> And, I am sure there are twice more threads on the archive on Lubuntu
>> Mailing List (main) and Lubuntu Comms Archive.
>>
>> You see, the website issue has been the Mission Impossible for Lubuntu for
>> years.
>>
>> THIS EMAIL JUST to shade more light on the issue :)
>>
>> Give me one good reason why should I keep fighting for this cause? do you
>> think we can take the control over our own website? I don't think so.
>>
>> Moving to plan B whatever it is? could be.
>>
>> Do you have another thought?
>>
>>
>> Now, you guys have the history of Lubuntu Website, AKA lubuntu.net :)
>>
>>
>> I have nothing more to give/provide anymore when it comes to the website.
>> This must be a community decision either to do something and take over the
>> control over their own website OR go for Plan B (whatever you see fit).
>>
>> Thanks!
> 
> Well what's been tried before hasn't worked.  What's left to try?
> As I suggested in the other thread:
> 
>> If it can be documented as having gone on that long, then maybe
>> it is necessary to contact someone for Ubuntu who can sort out
>> community issues.
> 
> Does someone on the list have contacts in Canonical?
> 
> Regards,
> /Lars
> 

I know of three persons, who have been engaged in Lubuntu, that I know
have direct contacts with Ubuntu/Canonical

Phill Whiteside
Lance 
Julien Lavergne

but I would hesitate to bother any of them with this issue.

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] improve info about PAE at lubuntu.net

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Mario,

I'm very glad to read this letter from you and I'm looking forward to
cooperating with you.

I think the Lubuntu-comms group will use a blog which will be
independent of you and Julien. The blog will be used for various public
relations issues (communication with the public in general and the users
in particular). And I think that it can be a good solution.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-11-12 15:48, Mario Behling wrote:
> Hi Nio,
> 
> sorry for not answering your message, but unfortunately I did not get
> it. I was deleted from the Comms team long ago, because I did not
> write emails. Usually I do not communicate so much on the lists. And
> the fact is the people who have time to write many emails on the list
> decided about the list deletion policy. So, I did not get the info
> from you.
> 
> Regarding the release notes on the website: Julien usually sends me
> the release notes or I use the ones from the wiki.
> 
> I saw that you changed them and I have updated them on the lubunte.net site.
> 
> Let me know if you have any other improvements.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mario
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mario,
>>
>> Kindly have a read at:
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Nio Wiklund 
>> Date: Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:01 PM
>> Subject: [Lubuntu-comms] improve info about PAE at lubuntu.net
>> To: Sergio Meneses , Phill Whiteside
>> 
>> Cc: Lubuntu Comms 
>>
>>
>> Hi Sergio and Phill,
>>
>> Please change the paragraph about System Requirements at
>>
>> lubuntu.net
>>
>> or teach me how to change it! The information about PAE is wrong,
>> because Lubuntu 12.04 has passed end of life!!! This has been commented
>> on in a published article (found by David Yentzen)
>>
>> http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2013/10/lubuntu-1310-perfect-for-netbooks.html
>>
>> I would like to change this sentence:
>> -
>> If you have a NON-PAE CPU you can use 12.04 instead.
>> -
>> to the following sentences:
>> -
>> If you have a pre-Pentium II CPU, start from the Ubuntu 12.04 mini.iso.
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
>> and please consider the tips in this link
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2130640
>>
>> If you have a Celeron M or Pentium M CPU without a PAE flag but with PAE
>> capability, use fake-PAE according to this link
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
>> or install a suitable non-PAE or fake-PAE system via the One Button
>> Installer
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971
>> -
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>> ps/
>> How can I reach Mario Behling who owns the web page lubuntu.net? I tried
>> to write a comment, but it bumped after the captcha (I tried several times).
>> /ds
>>
>> - - - - -
>>
>> Mario,
>>
>> Is there any way that Lubuntu Team or at least 'one' member from the team to
>> gain access even an author access NOT an admin access to do some URGENT and
>> necessary edits? or all in all, to update the website whenever needed?
>>
>> I am sorry but I fail to understand the logic behind a team or a project
>> which has no control over their own website?
>>
>> Thank you in advance and I am sure you will enlighten us and help :)
>>
>> Ali/amjjawad
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/


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[Lubuntu-comms] Fwd: improve info about PAE at lubuntu.net

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi,

For your information: Lubuntu.net was changed according to what I
suggested (concerning PAE), but only for a few days. Since yesterday it
is back to normal. I don't know who changed it to what I suggested, I
don't know who changed it back, and I don't know why.

Best regards
Nio


 Original Message 
Subject: improve info about PAE at lubuntu.net
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:52:40 +0100
From: Nio Wiklund 
To: Mario Behling 
CC: Julien Lavergne 

Hi again Mario,

A couple of days ago the information about PAE at lubuntu.net was
changed to what I think is correct.

But when I check it today, it is back to the original version, which is
not valid any more. What happened? Did you reload an old version of the
web page?

An important problem with that text is that Lubuntu 12.04 has passed end
of life, so it should not be recommended. Another problem is that it is
not mentioning a possible solution for Celeron M and Pentium M CPUs.

To avoid mistakes, I'll repeat 'my suggested text' here.

I would like to change this sentence:
-
If you have a NON-PAE CPU you can use 12.04 instead.
-
to the following sentences:
-
If you have a pre-Pentium II CPU, start from the Ubuntu 12.04 mini.iso.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
and please consider the tips in this link
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2130640

If you have a Celeron M or Pentium M CPU without a PAE flag but with PAE
capability, use fake-PAE according to this link
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
or install a suitable non-PAE or fake-PAE system via the One Button
Installer
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971
-
If Julien amd you want a shorter text, I suggest that you at least
mention this link

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE

for example:
-
13.10 32 bit ISO require your CPU to have Physical Address Extensions,
or PAE. "PAE is provided by Intel Pentium Pro and above CPUs, including
all later Pentium-series processors (except most 400 MHz-bus versions of
the Celeron M and Pentium M)." - If you have such a CPU without a PAE
flag but with PAE capability, use fake-PAE according to this link

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
-

Best regards
Nio


On 2013-11-12 15:59, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Hi Mario,
> 
> I'm very glad to read this letter from you and I'm looking forward to
> cooperating with you.
> 
> I think the Lubuntu-comms group will use a blog which will be
> independent of you and Julien. The blog will be used for various public
> relations issues (communication with the public in general and the users
> in particular). And I think that it can be a good solution.
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> On 2013-11-12 15:48, Mario Behling wrote:
>> Hi Nio,
>>
>> sorry for not answering your message, but unfortunately I did not get
>> it. I was deleted from the Comms team long ago, because I did not
>> write emails. Usually I do not communicate so much on the lists. And
>> the fact is the people who have time to write many emails on the list
>> decided about the list deletion policy. So, I did not get the info
>> from you.
>>
>> Regarding the release notes on the website: Julien usually sends me
>> the release notes or I use the ones from the wiki.
>>
>> I saw that you changed them and I have updated them on the lubunte.net site.
>>
>> Let me know if you have any other improvements.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Mario
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mario,
>>>
>>> Kindly have a read at:
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Nio Wiklund 
>>> Date: Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:01 PM
>>> Subject: [Lubuntu-comms] improve info about PAE at lubuntu.net
>>> To: Sergio Meneses , Phill Whiteside
>>> 
>>> Cc: Lubuntu Comms 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Sergio and Phill,
>>>
>>> Please change the paragraph about System Requirements at
>>>
>>> lubuntu.net
>>>
>>> or teach me how to change it! The information about PAE is wrong,
>>> because Lubuntu 12.04 has passed end of life!!! This has been commented
>>> on in a published article (found by David Yentzen)
>>>
>>> http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2013/10/lubuntu-1310-perfect-for-netbooks.html
>>>
>>> I would like to change this sentence:
>>> -
>>> If you have a NON-PAE CPU you can use 12.04 instead.
>>> -
>>> to the following sentences:
>>> -
>>> If you have a pre-Pentium II CPU, start

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Fwd: http://lubuntu.net - Keep you in the loop!

[Nio Wiklund]

Thank you for the update
Best regards/Nio

On 2013-11-13 08:40, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> Hello everyone (it is good morning here) :)
> 
> I am going to share with you all the information I have gotten for the
> last 24hours so that you guys remain updated in case I will fade away
> for whatever reason :P
> No seriously, I must share this with you all :)
> 
> I am sending this to Team Leaders of Lubuntu + two very active members
> (Lars and Nio) and CC'ing two sub-teams (Comms and Brainstorming)
> because these are the people who are or should be involved, at least IMHO :)
> 
> 1- This is an email from a long time Lubuntu User/Member and he knows Mario
> 
> --
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: http://lubuntu.net
> To: "Ali Linx (amjjawad)" mailto:amjja...@gmail.com>>
> 
> 
> Hi Ali,
> 
> I saw his Gmail many times so I know how he filters his mails. I know
> you have already included him in recipient lists however if your mail
> matches his Lubuntu's label filter he can skip your mail from his inbox.
> This is why he doesn't get bothered by Lubuntu mailing list mails for
> years, as you have already seen.
> 
> Just another note, he is the owner of lubuntu.net 
> domain, it will expire in next January, if he is not interested in or
> forgets to extend the domain, we will lost it. So if he contacts you,
> make sure you deal with him not only about the website or accessing
> acounts but also about the domain.
> 
> I hope everything will be fine soon.
> 
> Regards,
> --
> 
> 
> 
> 2- I have sent this email to CC (Community Council) - that was Howard's
> suggestion :
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Ali Linx (amjjawad) mailto:amjja...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM
> Subject: Lubuntu Website
> To: community-coun...@lists.ubuntu.com
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Community Council,
> 
> My name is Ali - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad - and I have many
> roles with Lubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME and Ubuntu Quality. When it comes to
> Lubuntu - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Lubuntu-Team - I am currently
> the Team Leader of Lubuntu Brainstorming Team and active member of other
> Sub-Teams within Lubuntu.
> 
> For two years now or maybe more, we have unresolved issue that despite
> the fact we have tried so many times to solve the issue in a very nice,
> polite and civil approaches, we have failed and we have reached to no
> where (dead end).
> 
> http://www.lubuntu.net/
> 
> Simply, Lubuntu Team has no control over its own website. We have no
> idea who has access to the website as of today. Previously, "Mario
> Behling" was in charge but for one year and a half, no one heard a
> single word from him. We have sent so many emails to the main mailing
> list of Lubuntu but no one has replied yet:
> 
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/lubuntu-website
> 
> And above, is a blueprint so the whole Lubuntu Community can work
> together to solve this issue but lack of manpower and activities, made
> the progress so slow. However, Howard Chan (smartboyhw) has suggested to
> approach you and send you an email hence this message/email.
> 
> I do understand, for sure, that this is an internal issue that Lubuntu
> Team must solve and fix. But, I am afraid the team couldn't do it. Sad
> but true.
> 
> I have so many tasks with Ubuntu GNOME Team -
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/UbuntuGNOME-Team - and no much of time
> but I do love Lubuntu a lot and I couldn't remain silent so I am trying
> to do something.
> 
> Kindly advise, what can we do? you know that any project/team in the
> world needs a Website. The website has some mistakes and missing
> information. We are simply wasting lots of time and ended banging our
> head against the wall if we just want a simple edit and it is either
> done after so many tries or not done. Odd enough, there is someone with
> access who sometimes read the emails but he/she is totally silent and
> work in the shade. NO one knows who has access and who can do some edits.
> 
> When I joined Ubuntu GNOME and Peppermint, I have had access to the
> Websites form day one. I don't want to have access over Lubuntu Website,
> I want Lubuntu Communications Team to have it -
> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms
>  - and not the whole team, at
> least one or two active members.
> 
> Sorry to disturb you but we are in bad need to your help. This is our
> last hope!
> 
> Thank you so much :)
> 
> -
> 
> 3- After all the above and before I sleep, I logged in to IRC and I have

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Fwd: Lubuntu Website

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-14 12:02, Lars Noodén wrote:
> On 11/14/2013 12:51 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Well, look carefully at the name of the sender and see who is offering a
>> suggestion ;)
>> YES, the father of Ubuntu himself is replying :D
> 
> Word from on high, but there is one catch still...
> 
>> Shall we carry on?
>> Just thought to keep you guys up-to-date. I just received the email few
>> mins ago!
> [snip]
> 
> According to the whois database, Canonical doesn't manage the DNS for
> that site (or lubuntu.org) either.  They are currently owned by Mario in
> Germany.  Though both registrations expire on Jan 2nd next year.
> 
> Regards,
> /Lars
> 

+1

I think we need to think about it for a while, to really know what is
the best way to go ...

1. In order to get control of the Lubuntu web site(s)

2. To avoid losing Julien as a developer, because then I think some of
us must be ready to create the code for Lubuntu 14.04 LTS. And it is a
lot of work to get started, particularly if we won't get the developer's
platform.

I'm thinking aloud now -- these persons might be able to do it (together)

RonnieW (lxle)
Mélodie (bento)
Lance (Precise Gnome Classic Tweak)
Leszek (zRAM and a distro I forgot right now)
Jörn (kernels)
... /and I'm sure there are several other persons who are qualified/

But are you/they prepared to spend the time necessary?

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] links to the Ali's and my Lubuntu Q&A Session at YouTube

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi

I have added links to the Ali's and my Lubuntu Q&A Session at YouTube to

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/OBI
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE

Best regards
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Fwd: Lubuntu Website

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

I agree with Iberê: "The good thing of this thread is that people are
communicating". I think his questions and comments are necessary, even
if some persons are offended.

Please everybody:

1. State your opinion about the current situation of Lubuntu!

2. Should we make this discussion wider (to include more people)?
. advantages
. disadvantages

3. What are *you* willing and able to do? Lubuntu will die without
volunteers.

Have a nice week-end and best regards
Nio


On 2013-11-14 16:47, Iberê Fernandes wrote:
> answers in line
> 
> 2013/11/14 Jörn Schönyan :
>> Hello all, see replies inline :-)
>>
>> Am 14.11.2013 13:57, schrieb Iberê Fernandes:
>>
>> answers in line:
>>
>>
>> RonnieW (lxle)
>> Mélodie (bento)
>> Lance (Precise Gnome Classic Tweak)
>> Leszek (zRAM and a distro I forgot right now)
>> Jörn (kernels)
>>
>> I am sorry, I don't know much 'bout kernels - I can configure or compile
>> them, but I can't fix bugs or something. To be honest, I'm not even able to
>> package them for Launchpad. Very sad, because I would like to package a
>> custom kernel :-/ but there is a large lack of documentation.
> 
> The good thing of this thread is that people are communicating.
> 
> Before being a volunteer, I followed a lot discussions at Ubuntu
> Forums and Ubuntu lists such as lubuntu-users, xubuntu-devel and also
> their IRC meeting logs and xubuntu-users and Lubuntu social media
> channels.
> 
> For some odd reason, Lubuntu is a community were lots of people seem
> to like the flavor, but only a few really contribute.
> 
> 
>>
>> ... /and I'm sure there are several other persons who are qualified/
>>
>> But are you/they prepared to spend the time necessary?
>>
>> I'm not sure if I'm saying +1 or it's just another doubt or suggestion.
>>
>> Is Lubuntu development stalled?
>>
>> Let's see the facts, only what I know from the empirical observation:
>> 1) there's a security high priority bug assigned to Julien and nothing
>> has been done since Julien acknowledged the bug exists and should be
>> patched, however nobody (no devs) have time:
>>
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1205384/comments/29
>>
>> We could talk to the Xubuntu people, their solution could be just fine for
>> Lubuntu. Look at
>> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/07/light-locker-new-session-locker-for.html
> 
> Julien has replied to the bug a few minutes ago. When I'm at home,
> I'll test the patch.
> 
> I invite everyone to test it too.
> 
>>
>>
>> 2) Lubuntu has some minor nasty bugs such as ghost icons on PCManFM,
>> drag and drop problems on PCManFM too, and some other minor stuff all
>> around.
>>
>> Has someone links to according bug reports? Is it Lubuntu's "fault" are the
>> bugs from upstream?
> 
> IMHO, if it's upstream or not... I keep saying TLs must be responsible.
> 
> Things should be clear. When there's no communications, how can we
> know what's happening?
> 
>>
>>
>> Sometimes I feel like Lubuntu should redefine the sentence "a
>> lighweight OS that works out of the box".
>>
>> Btw, the keyboard key to print screen does not work at Lubuntu 13.10 either.
>>
>> Besides bug list, there's thread at UF on workarounds for 13.10 cycle,
>> including Lubuntu:
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2182038
>>
>> This bug should be pretty easy to fix. Is it still there in Trusty? I could
>> take a look into this next week. Leads to another question: is scrot good
>> enough? Do we need an alternative?
> 
> Scrot works fine. It's just a silly error at .lubuntu-rc.xml if you
> check the workaround at ubuntuforums.
> 
> But as I said before: Lubuntu should redefine what's "works out of the box".
> 
> We could also redefine: Linux for human beings.
> 
> Or if we take Lubuntu motto: lightweight, fast, easier
> 
> Easier? How do we expect to attract newcomers if 13.10 cycle was kind
> of a mess and the 13.10 product is kind of a mess?
> 
> Is that easier for newcomers? IMHO, I do not think so.
> 
> If Lubuntu is planning to be a flavor for developers and their
> contributors/members, ok, I can live with the current bugs.
> 
> However, if I was reference for anything, the world would be a
> pain For instance, I'm brazilian, the country of soccer, samba
> (carnival)... For me, those things are useless. But that's only me.
> 
> Back to Lubuntu cause: if Lubuntu devs do not communicate here because
> there're too many emails, why don't they create a list like
> lubuntu-devel, only for development issues? I'm not sure if that's the
> issue though.
> 
> I'm not pessimistic nor optimistic. I'm saying what I see at the
> Lubuntu empirical world.
> 
> No offense to anybody. Again, sorry if anybody feels offended.
> 
> I just invite you to read the archives and meeting logs of other
> teams... while people communicate in other communities, communication
> is not the best in our Lubuntu community.
> 
> I wish you all a nice weekend too!
> 
>>
>>
>> Said in another way, I think Lubuntu needs new or more devel

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] [Lubuntu-brainstorming] [Proposal] LCC (Lubuntu Community Council)

[Nio Wiklund]

Thank you for the wise words and valuable link :-)

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-11-16 03:02, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> Just my thoughts...
> 
> I hate 'councils' with a passion. I also hate the badge of 'team leader'
> for the sub-groups. All any team requires is an admin person who looks
> after the day to day 'paper work'. The lubunteers do the work and chat
> to each other all the time. I fail to see how a 'council' would help in
> any way and also feel it would drive people away. Let me just remind you
> of a 'rule' of freenode which is about catalysts.
> 
> http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml
> 
> I broke that, and resigned from my positions; but I do ask that you
> consider this...
> 
> ... not through the use of authority and special privilege, 
> 
> When ubuntu-beginners created a council, it was the death, UBT no longer
> exists. 
> 
> So, other lubunteers, please think long and hard about raising a
> 'council'; IMHO, it is a really bad idea and even though I have stepped
> down from 'official' stuff... I wanted to let you know my thoughts.
> 
> My kindest regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 November 2013 20:26, Federico Leoni  > wrote:
> 
> 2013/11/15 David Yentzen  >:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)
> mailto:amjja...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Lubuntu Community,
> >>
> >> Kindly have a read at this Blueprint/Proposal:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/lubuntu-community-council
> >>
> >> And, if you are using a Cell Phone or any device and for whatever
> reason
> >> can't access the link, here is the text:
> >>
> >>
> --
> >> Lubuntu Community Council is my proposal/idea to clean the
> current mess in
> >> Lubuntu Community and solve the pending issues that the community
> is facing
> >> in order to move forward to build a healthy community and a rock
> solid
> >> system for old machines with LTS.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Given Information:
> >> --
> >> 1- Lubuntu Community Has NO Actual Leader Starting from 15-May-2012 -
> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2012-May/001516.html
> >>
> >> 2- Lubuntu Community and Sub-Teams are a real mess. Lubuntu
> Communications
> >> Sub-Team and Lubuntu QA Team are both without 'Active' Team
> Leaders. The
> >> whole team needs a clean up, reorganize and re-assessment.
> >>
> >> 3- The Activities of the Community has dropped due to lack of
> >> communications and some core old members of the team has
> left/quit/resigned
> >> and the rest are inactive and only very few are still active but
> that is not
> >> enough.
> >>
> >> 4- Lubuntu 13.10 was a bit of disappointment for as per users and
> members
> >> feedback and some nasty bugs.
> >>
> >> -
> >> Roadmap:
> >> -
> >> A- Not only one person must lead Lubuntu but instead of that, a
> Community
> >> Council consists of many members - the idea inspired by:
> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil
> >>
> >> B- LCC (Lubuntu Community Council) elect one member to lead this
> Community
> >> Council at the very beginning of each release cycle  and this
> election will
> >> take place every 6 months. Members of LCC will elect their leaders.
> >>
> >> C- This is a NON-Technical Board or Council.
> >>
> >> D- This Council is in charge of:
> >> 1- Lubuntu Guards and Keepers - make sure everything goes as
> smooth as
> >> possible and make sure Ubuntu Code of Conducts applies and
> everyone respects
> >> the other.
> >> 2- Make sure to build a healthy community based on Team Work,
> Sharing and
> >> Motivation.
> >> 3- No Dictatorship: No one will lead the whole community but
> instead a
> >> group of people will do that.
> >> 4- Any Lubuntu Member can be a member of this Community Council.
> >> 5- Team Leaders of Lubuntu Sub-Teams are members of this Council.
> >>
> >> E- Requirements:
> >> 1- Must be Active Lubuntu Member at least for 6 months Minimum.
> >> 2- Members must have proven record of some Lubuntu Community
> Experience
> >> (NON-Technical) and members with minimum one year with Lubuntu
> Community are
> >> preferred.
> >> 3- Technical People can join but the above points (#1 and #2)
> must apply.
> >> 4- Must sign Ubuntu Code of Conducts.
> >> 5- Must have a Wiki Page.
> >> 6- Must have proven record of team work.
> >> 7- Friendly and nice.
> >> 8- Must communicate.
> >> 9- Must leave a

[Lubuntu-comms] merge with the xubuntu community

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

I think it would be a good idea to merge with the xubuntu community, so
I am happy reading about the current discussions about cooperation.

They have a good web site for beginners and everyday users, free from
technical details and insider speak. The managers know how to write for
the web, which is difficult and different from other kinds of writing.

Neither Xubuntu nor Lubuntu has enough day-to-day contents to need a
separate site. The information is more or less static in the half year
between releases.

The two distros are targeting the same users, who have middle-age or old
hardware that does not work well with standard Ubuntu (Unity), who do
not like spyware or simply like the Ubuntu engine behind the curtain,
but do not like Unity.

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Lubuntu Official Tweeter Account

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-21 03:52, David Yentzen wrote:
> Hi to all,
>   I am assuming the management of the Lubuntu Official Tweeter account
> for Lubuntu Comms Team. The tweeter link is here:
> https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial. @LubuntuOfficial is the Tweeter
> handle.
>   I am requesting that if you have a Tweeter account that you please
> follow @LubuntuOfficial and encourage friends, family, acquaintances to
> follow. I hope to bring Lubuntu updates, tips, links, and other useful
> items to the account, thus, increasing Lubuntu's exposure in both the
> FOSS community and the general public. A secondary goal is to attract
> potential community contributors to Lubuntu. Also, please share items of
> interest with the Comms Team so that we can get it posted up on social
> media promoting Lubuntu.
> 
> Thank you and best regards,
> David Yentzen
> https://launchpad.net/~dbyentzen 
> 
> 
Good luck with the Lubuntu Official Tweeter account :-)

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] quick start manual for the shell-script mkusb

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Mélodie,

You drowned in the tutorial about mkusb. So I made a 'Quick start
manual'. I hope it is better for you and other people, who have no time
to read long tutorials:
-
The fastest way to start making USB boot drives is to download the quick
start manual and the shell-script 'mkusb' and check the md5sums.

- Download the quick start manual and mkusb
http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/scripts/

- View or download the quick start manual
http://ubuntuone.com/13HPbV48PmonVgkac8KK3l

- Check the md5sums
http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/md5sums-phillw.txt
-
Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer

[Nio Wiklund]

It happened again :-(

See this link
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1769482&page=79&p=12855281#post12855281

and oldfred's reply in the following post.
-
"I have never trusted any of the auto install options. Generally they
seem to work, but often then when things start to go wrong, they just
snowball.

I find that Something else or manual install has always worked, but then
you have to know more than most new users. You have to manually
partition, choose partitions format like ext4 and mount like / (root).
Only users that have previously installed or know about partitions could
do that.

I also find it safer to have Windows on one drive and Linux on other
drives, but many users today have laptops, so they do not have that
option unless they use an external drive. "
-
I think this another way of describing the problem. There are not enough
warnings in the desktop and alternate installers. And it should be easy
to fix it.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-10-24 23:42, Dale Visser wrote:
> I noticed a similar lack of warning in my upgrade install. I was on a VM
> with snapshot backup in place, but still... I noticed that of you don't
> read *everything* *carefully* before clicking, you could quickly pave
> something important.
> 
> As an aside, I couldn't figure if it was possible for me to pave my '/'
> partition, but leave my '/usr/local' and '/home' partitions alone.
> 
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> 
> From: Andre Rodovalho <mailto:andre.rodova...@gmail.com>
> Sent: ‎10/‎24/‎2013 5:05 PM
> To: Iberê Fernandes <mailto:ibere.fernan...@gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com>; JM
> <mailto:me...@gmx.fr>; lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net
> <mailto:lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net>; Lubuntu Comms
> <mailto:lubuntu-comms@lists.launchpad.net>; lubuntu user list
> <mailto:lubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer
> 
> I checked Ubiquity, when you choose dual boot option, next window on
> wizard show the "graph", lubuntu and Windows alongside... But if the
> replace option is selected, there is nothing but the Install now
> button... Once you hit that, it's all gone!
> 
> 
> 2013/10/24 Iberê Fernandes  <mailto:ibere.fernan...@gmail.com>>
> 
> 2013/10/24 Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>
> 
> On 2013-10-24 17:36, JM wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 15:26:19 +0200
> > Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everybody,
> >>
> >> Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the
> partitioning
> >> dialogue of the desktop installer.
> >>
> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
> >>
> >> 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove
> windows and
> >> replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this.
> One with
> >> files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7
> partition. When
> >> I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my
> C drive and
> >> not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my
> >> partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only
> have Ubuntu
> >> on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
> >>
> >> -o-
> >>
> >> This is what I have been telling, when describing the One
> Button Installer
> >>
> >> '...
> >> Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
> >>
> >> The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
> complicated to
> >> use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a
> tool that
> >> is easier to use and just works.
> >> ...
> >> a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is
> generally
> >> easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
> confused.
> >> There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
> installations,
> >> where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
> >>
> >> It is really too bad, 

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] quick start manual for the shell-script mkusb

[Nio Wiklund]

Thank you Iberê and David,

It's always nice to read words of appreciation :-)

Best regards
Nio


On 2013-11-23 18:01, David Yentzen wrote:
> Thanks Nio for this.  A short instruction for something like this really
> helps! Concise and well-written!
> 
> Best Regards
> David
> 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Iberê Fernandes
> mailto:ibere.fernan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 2013/11/23 Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>:
> > Hi Mélodie,
> >
> > You drowned in the tutorial about mkusb. So I made a 'Quick start
> > manual'. I hope it is better for you and other people, who have no
> time
> > to read long tutorials:
> > -
> > The fastest way to start making USB boot drives is to download the
> quick
> > start manual and the shell-script 'mkusb' and check the md5sums.
> >
> > - Download the quick start manual and mkusb
> > http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/scripts/
> >
> > - View or download the quick start manual
> > http://ubuntuone.com/13HPbV48PmonVgkac8KK3l
> >
> > - Check the md5sums
> > http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/md5sums-phillw.txt
> > -
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
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> Nio,
> 
> Thank you for your contribution!
> 
> Usually I stick with Unetbootin, but when it fails, only dd saves me.
> 
> Dowloading mksub quick start manual
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Ubuntu Gnome 13.10 upload

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Federico and Phill,

I'm confirming that Ubuntu Gnome 13.10 is uploaded to phillw.net and to
my google drive. The documentation is also modified to include the new
tarballs.
-
Hi everybody,

The following tarballs for the One Button Installer are created and
shared by Federico.

Kubuntu_13.10oem-nov23.tar.xz
Ubuntu_13.10oem-nov22.tar.xz
Ubuntu_Gnome_13.10oem-nov25.tar.xz
Xubuntu_13.10oem-nov22.tar.xz

There are already tarballs with Lubuntu 13.10

You find them at

http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/

and documentation at

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/OBI

Best regards
Nio

2013-11-25 16:05, Nio Wiklund skrev:
> Federico: Downloaded and checked md5sum :-)
> 
> Phill: Soon there will be another tarball at your website :-)
> 
> Best regards/Nio
> 
> 2013-11-25 15:56, Nio Wiklund skrev:
>> Yes, I see it now :-)
>>
>> I don't know, maybe there was some delay between Google's servers. I'll
>> let you know when it's downloaded and checked (as usual).
>>
>> Best regards/Nio
>>
>> 2013-11-25 15:52, Federico Leoni skrev:
>>> No, same drive and is here... I can see it.
>>>
>>> F.
>>>
>>> Em 25/11/2013 12:51, "Nio Wiklund" >> <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Yes :-)
>>>
>>> After one and a half hour it's still not uploaded. The network is slow
>>> today. Or did you upload it to another web address than the other
>>> tarballs?
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>> 2013-11-25 14:12, Federico Leoni skrev:
>>>     > Is a collaborative project, let collaborate then! :)
>>> >
>>> > I'm uploading the new 13.10 gnome right now.
>>> >
>>> > fb9dfd37e705b86c35ab977276746642  Ubuntu_Gnome_13.10oem-nov25.tar.xz
>>> >
>>> > F.
>>> >
>>> > 2013/11/25 Nio Wiklund >> <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>:
>>> >> Great Federico,
>>> >>
>>> >> Not only are you doing the job, you also teach me how to do such
>>> tweaks
>>> >> afterwards :-)
>>> >>
>>> >> Well, Gnome Shell feels a little awkward. The new Nautilus is really
>>> >> stripped down to something much below what Nautilus used to be,
>>> at least
>>> >> in the way it is implemented in Gnome Shell. Fortunately there are
>>> >> better alternatives, for example Xubuntu.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm not sure if Ali fell in love with the the Ubuntu Gnome itself or
>>> >> with its community ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >> Best regards
>>> >> Nio
>>> >>
>>> >> 2013-11-25 12:00, Federico Leoni skrev:
>>> >>> Ok. Didn't find a "flag" for backing to oem stage 1...
>>> >>> I installed the package entering on recovery mode, then I ran again
>>> >>> oem-config-prepare.
>>> >>> I'm making the new tarball right now. I'll send a message when
>>> is up.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Anyway I hate gnome shell. I don't understand how Ali was falling in
>>> >>> love with it!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> F.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2013/11/25 Federico Leoni >> <mailto:effe...@gmail.com>>:
>>> >>>> Let me see what I can do otherwise I'll create te tarball again
>>> with the
>>> >>>> package.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> F.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Em 25/11/2013 06:42, "Nio Wiklund" >> <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> escreveu:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On 2013-11-25 06:35, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>> >>>>>> On 2013-11-25 06:08, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> On 2013-11-25 01:48, Federico Leoni wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> Nio,
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> I'm uploading the tarball right now.
>>> >>>>>>>> Stock oem up to date, I use just ubuntu-tweak to clean up
>>> (120mb!)
>>> >>>

[Lubuntu-comms] Fwd: People do not understand the desktop installer

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi,

After weeks of discussion and thinking, I have filed a bug against
ubiquity with focus on a way to wake the user up from from clicking
automatically before reading the text. See the attached pictures in the
bug report (attaching them to the mail communities does not work).

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1256874

"warning colour needed when the entire disk will be used"
-
Minimum task:

I think the most risky case is where 'the entire disk will be used',
which is written with bold font on the second page. The title is 'Erase
disk and install Lubuntu' with large font. It is evident if you stop and
read. But the background colour is neutral grey and the text is normal
black. I think the background of that second page should be red (like
the red signal colour for recording or of traffic lights). And the text
should be bold.This should stop some people from clicking automatically
before reading the text. See the attached pictures

erase-disk-old.png and erase-disk-new.png
-

Even if you don't think you would fall into that pit yourself, please
mark that it affects you. Think that maybe a friend (that you convince
to use an Ubuntu flavour OS) will make the mistake and overwrite what is
important and not backed up.

Best regards
Nio


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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Lubuntu Website status

[Nio Wiklund]

Thank you all for the work behind this positive message :-)

Best regards/Nio

2013-12-04 17:08, Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph skrev:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> A couple weeks ago Ali reached out to the Ubuntu Community Council (of
> which I'm a member) to express concern over control of Lubuntu.net
> 
> In the weeks since, the CC has had some great discussions with Julian
> and Mario about their work on the site and their vision, which I
> wanted to share with the team.
> 
> 1. They are active! Both have access to the site and have assured us
> that they work with some Lubuntu Art folks.
> 
> 2. Mario's team of contributors has a specific vision for Lubuntu.net
> that is clean, easy to maintain and contains official, important
> announcements and links to other resources where everyone can
> contribute (like the wiki, Mario specifically indicated that they want
> to leverage the ecosystem that Canonical has provided for teams)
> 
> Now, there is obviously a communication breakdown between this team
> and Mario's team, so I've worked with Mario to come up with a plan:
> 
> Instead of using Drupal, Mario is going to work over the holidays to
> switch the site over to Jekyll/Markdown. All of the site's code will
> then be placed in revision control (possibly github) so that
> contributors can directly submit changes for review.
> 
> There will also a be an issue/bug tracker so contributors can use that
> if they aren't comfortable using the tools or contributing directly.
> 
> In short, no more needing to directly email Mario or Julian to make
> fixes for you! And all change requests will be public so you don't
> need to worry that your email got lost or ignored, the whole community
> will be able to track the status of changes. When an issue comes up in
> the future it can be handled publicly.
> 
> Now, I do ask that the team works to preserve the simple vision that
> Mario and his current team have for the site in keeping it clean and
> easy to maintain so I think changes should be confined to fix-ups,
> factual updates and other major issues at this point.
> 
> Finally, Mario believes that a healthy ecosystem for Lubuntu includes
> a variety of resources, so neither of us believe the Lubuntu Blog is
> any kind of threat to Lubuntu.net and that it's a good addition to the
> Lubuntu project. So I'd suggest doing away with the plan to *replace*
> Lubuntu.net with the blog and instead focus on continuing to make the
> blog a great resource for folks who want the latest development news,
> calls for participation, tips and tricks. This is a nice complement to
> the low-traffic official news/announcement way that Lubuntu.net works,
> which is preferable to folks who aren't interested in development or a
> frequently updated blog.
> 
> Keep up the great work, this team has done a great job in managing
> Lubuntu's social media presence and maintaining the new blog, so I
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[Lubuntu-comms] obi 1.2 release candidate

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

I have realized that many of you who are active at the Lubuntu mail
forums and the Ubuntu Forums need dual- or multi-boot for your linux
distro/flavour. So I have made a release candidate of the One Button
Installer (to become version 1.2), that can do it, not by itself, but
together with gparted.

1 - Edit and create partitions with gparted

2 - Install a tarball with the OBI to partitions, that are selected
automatically or manually.

-
Basic and advanced OBI level

Most users are recommended to use the *basic* OBI level. This means that
the OBI will install a system from a tarball into a whole device,
typically an internal hard disk drive or a USB 3 pendrive.

In the *advanced* level the OBI will let you select the partitions. It
means that you can install a system from a tarball into two partitions,
one root file partition and one swap partition. This way it is possible
to create a *dual boot* device with an existing (already installed)
operating system. It is also possible to create a separate
*data partition*, that can be used by linux as well as Windows.

The intention with the advanced level is to edit and create partitions
with *Gparted* (booted from a 'regular' boot CD/DVD/USB device). One
partition is labelled 'obi-root' and one (smaller) partition is labelled
'obi-swap'. Such partitions can be identified and selected automatically
in the advanced level, but manual selection is also possible.
-

You find it here:

http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/rc/

If you test the advanced OBI level, please tell me what is bad,
confusing or buggy, so that I can improve it!

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] obi 2.1 release candidate - graphical desktop environment

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi again,

In order to make it more convenient to use the advanced OBI level
(introduced in version 1.2), I made a release candidate for version 2.1.

(A. Version 2.0: The underlying operating system is upgraded to Ubuntu
version 13.10)

B. Version 2.1: Lubuntu-desktop is installed and tweaked to create a
graphical desktop environment with desktop icons for the main tasks
during installation with the One Button Installer. See the attached
picture file!

0. Toggle the touchpad (to prevent accidents with laptops and notebooks
because the palm is touching the touchpad and causing unwanted commands).

1. Run Gparted to edit the partitions (preparing for the advanced OBI
level).

2. Run the OBI in a normal lxterminal window

3. Run the OBI is a maximized xterm window with high resolution, in
other words with more lines and columns

The pdf documents of the version 1.2 are still relevant for the usage of
the OBI. But I would recommend a USB 3 pendrive with at least 8 GB (4 GB
is possible, but will soon be full).

See this link

http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/rc/

-o-

If you test this version 2.1, please let me know what is bad or confusing!

For example,

- if it is important to make it work well with old graphics, maybe I
should use 12.04 LTS as the underlying operating system.

- if it is important to make a really small system. Then Lubuntu Core is
a better alternative than the full Lubuntu.

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] the USB chainloader that helps other USB drives boot

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi,

I just finished a little tool that helps boot some computers from
[other] USB boot drives - the Chainloader

The chainloader is useful for middle-aged computers, for example
computers without a CD/DVD drive, where it can be hard to boot from a
USB drive, or when you want to run from a fast USB 3 drive that is
unwilling to boot.

-o-

What is new, why a new tool? Isn't it enough to be able to use mkusb or
the other tools?

The answer is in this tutorial 'Howto help USB boot drives'

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2196858

-o-

Phill, can the compressed image file be uploaded to your server? Maybe
it is too small to have an own link or page. Maybe it can share a page
with mkusb. What do you think?

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] the USB chainloader that helps other USB drives boot

[Nio Wiklund]

Good question Jörn,

The USB chainloader works from USB.

I know Plop and have used it to boot USB via CD in old computers. I
tried to use Plop from USB. I could make it boot and run its menu, but I
was not able to boot another USB device from it, at least not with the
fairly modern hardware that I tested (for example professional class HP
laptops, the newest one with Intel i5).

Under the hood the USB chainloader is a stripped system based on Ubuntu
13.04. The grub bootloader and the boot directory is what is kept, and
the file grub.cfg is modified.

So I would say that the USB chainloader is a complement to Plop. I'd be
happy if you can help me boot from USB with Plop and chainload into
other USB devices, because it would make it easier to have only one tool
for these similar purposes.

Best regards
Nio

2014-01-01 11:33, Joern skrev:
> What is the difference to Plop boot loader?
> 
> Am 01.01.2014 um 05:36 schrieb Nio Wiklund :
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just finished a little tool that helps boot some computers from
>> [other] USB boot drives - the Chainloader
>>
>> The chainloader is useful for middle-aged computers, for example
>> computers without a CD/DVD drive, where it can be hard to boot from a
>> USB drive, or when you want to run from a fast USB 3 drive that is
>> unwilling to boot.
>>
>> -o-
>>
>> What is new, why a new tool? Isn't it enough to be able to use mkusb or
>> the other tools?
>>
>> The answer is in this tutorial 'Howto help USB boot drives'
>>
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2196858
>>
>> -o-
>>
>> Phill, can the compressed image file be uploaded to your server? Maybe
>> it is too small to have an own link or page. Maybe it can share a page
>> with mkusb. What do you think?
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Time To Move On

[Nio Wiklund]

+1

I has been nice to read your mails, David,
Good luck and enjoy life :-)
Nio


2014-01-06 19:58, Sergio Meneses skrev:
> this is something sad to read! but thanks for all David. :)
> 
> Sergio Meneses
> Linux User: #478743
> Ubuntu User: #24056
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:08 PM, David Yentzen  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Lubuntu Comms,
>   As with all things in life, there is a beginning and an end. So,
> too, this is the case with me and Lubuntu. I have decided to move in
> life. I enjoyed working with the Lubuntu Comms team and wish all of
> you well and  prosperous lives.
> @Ibere, if you need me to, I will continue to manage the Lubuntu
> Comms Twitter acct for a reasonable period of time in order to give
> another team member time to step forward and care for the account.
> Please let me know either way.
> 
> Live long and prosper
> 
> 
> Best
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[Lubuntu-comms] OBI 2.2 released

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,


In order to make it more convenient to use the advanced OBI level
(introduced in version 1.2), there is now version 2.2.


A. Version 2.0: The underlying operating system is upgraded to Ubuntu
version 13.10


B. Version 2.1: Lubuntu-desktop is installed and tweaked to create a
graphical desktop environment with desktop icons for the main tasks
during installation with the One Button Installer.

0. Toggle the touchpad (to prevent accidents with laptops and notebooks
because the palm is touching the touchpad and causing unwanted commands).

1. Run Gparted to edit the partitions (preparing for the advanced OBI
level).

2. Run the OBI in a normal lxterminal window

3. Run the OBI in a maximized xterm window with high resolution, in
other words with more lines and columns


C. Version 2.2 is released. It has the same features as 2.1 plus a few
bug-fixes. The pdf documents of the version 1.2 are also updated for the
usage of version 2.2.

A USB 3 pendrive with at least 8 GB is recommended for the graphical
desktop environment. But there is also a flavour of version 2.2 with a
text desktop environment, which is suitable for very old computers. A 4
GB pendrive is big enough for the text version.

See this link

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI


Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] OBI 2.2 released

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Phill,

[For the other readers: I tested the first non-pae kernel, and made a
tarball for whoever wishes to test it too:

Lubuntu_13.10oem-oct28-tweaked_nonpae_alpha.tar.xz

Jörn made an iso-file with it.]

Please tell me, when and where there is a new kernel, and I'll test it.

Best regards
Nio

2014-01-12 22:48, Phill Whiteside skrev:
> Hi Nio,
> 
> that's really good to hear. As I don't often get to cc everyone I'd like
> to add little information. I've had a respin of 13.10 made, which we are
> using for non-pae. I've got confirmation that the kind guy who made us
> that kernel will continue to help, but I've also gotten some one who is
> prepared to help out on the actual 'learning' and get some instructions
> written up on wiki. 
> 
> The 14.04 non-pae  kernel is going to happen. So, for any team, any
> flavour, we are taking on quite a large responsibility... will we
> support the 14.04 LTS non-pae kernel?  Having the retired head and
> creator ubuntu-beginners team on side You'd better believe it!
> 
> FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> On 12 January 2014 21:07, Andre Rodovalho  <mailto:andre.rodova...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Good news!
> 
> 
> 2014/1/12 Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> 
> In order to make it more convenient to use the advanced OBI level
> (introduced in version 1.2), there is now version 2.2.
> 
> 
> A. Version 2.0: The underlying operating system is upgraded to
> Ubuntu
> version 13.10
> 
> 
> B. Version 2.1: Lubuntu-desktop is installed and tweaked to create a
> graphical desktop environment with desktop icons for the main tasks
> during installation with the One Button Installer.
> 
> 0. Toggle the touchpad (to prevent accidents with laptops and
> notebooks
> because the palm is touching the touchpad and causing unwanted
> commands).
> 
> 1. Run Gparted to edit the partitions (preparing for the
> advanced OBI
> level).
> 
> 2. Run the OBI in a normal lxterminal window
> 
> 3. Run the OBI in a maximized xterm window with high resolution, in
> other words with more lines and columns
> 
> 
> C. Version 2.2 is released. It has the same features as 2.1 plus
> a few
> bug-fixes. The pdf documents of the version 1.2 are also updated
> for the
> usage of version 2.2.
> 
> A USB 3 pendrive with at least 8 GB is recommended for the graphical
> desktop environment. But there is also a flavour of version 2.2
> with a
> text desktop environment, which is suitable for very old
> computers. A 4
> GB pendrive is big enough for the text version.
> 
> See this link
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI
> 
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] OBI 2.2 released - mkusb pot file for translators

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Mélodie,

Nice that you start preparing for local languages in mkusb :-)

There might be a problem though. I am running

LC_ALL=C
LANG=C

in mkusb in order to get a constant format of the output from df, fstab,
parted etc, that are used by mkusb. (And I do the same in the OBI). I
guess it will make things more complicated: having to switch locale on
and off.

I will look into the possibility to use the pot file.

-o-

The OBI itself does not use mkusb. The user runs mkusb to install the
OBI from a compressed image file. mkusb can also be used to install an
operating system from an iso file (or to wipe the first megabyte to get
rid of traces that might create problems when repartitioning a mass
storage device).

Best regards
Nio

2014-01-13 00:51, JM skrev:
> Hi all,
> 
> I think I have understood (well I hope?) that OBI is the top file which makes 
> use of the
> underlying mkusb script?
> 
> Be it, be it not? 
> 
> I have done today my very first pot file, pulled from the STFW docs and 
> tested with the
> Poedit translation editor!
> 
> I put it as an attachment.
> 
> Please test it, and let me know if it should be improved and if so how? 
> Saving a po file
> with Poedit does not throw errors anymore!
> 
> I hope I didn't forget any strings.
> 
> Nio, I have modified your mkusb script according to this doc to produce the 
> pot file:
> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/098
> 
> and I also enclose the mkusb script modified so to be fit for producing the 
> pot file, all
> in the same tar.gz.
> 
> Best regards,
> Mélodie
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 13:01:36 +0100
> Nio Wiklund  wrote:
> 
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>>
>> In order to make it more convenient to use the advanced OBI level
>> (introduced in version 1.2), there is now version 2.2.
>>
>>
>> A. Version 2.0: The underlying operating system is upgraded to Ubuntu
>> version 13.10
>>
>>
>> B. Version 2.1: Lubuntu-desktop is installed and tweaked to create a
>> graphical desktop environment with desktop icons for the main tasks
>> during installation with the One Button Installer.
>>
>> 0. Toggle the touchpad (to prevent accidents with laptops and notebooks
>> because the palm is touching the touchpad and causing unwanted commands).
>>
>> 1. Run Gparted to edit the partitions (preparing for the advanced OBI
>> level).
>>
>> 2. Run the OBI in a normal lxterminal window
>>
>> 3. Run the OBI in a maximized xterm window with high resolution, in
>> other words with more lines and columns
>>
>>
>> C. Version 2.2 is released. It has the same features as 2.1 plus a few
>> bug-fixes. The pdf documents of the version 1.2 are also updated for the
>> usage of version 2.2.
>>
>> A USB 3 pendrive with at least 8 GB is recommended for the graphical
>> desktop environment. But there is also a flavour of version 2.2 with a
>> text desktop environment, which is suitable for very old computers. A 4
>> GB pendrive is big enough for the text version.
>>
>> See this link
>>
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Time To Move On

[Nio Wiklund]

I wish you the best with your new project, David :-)

Nio
> @Ibere and the whole Lubuntu Comms Team,
>   Thanks for the kind words. It was a true pleasure to work with you on
> Lubuntu. I am not leaving the greater Ubuntu Linux just spreading my
> wings a little. I am sure we will bump into each other again.
> 
> Live long and prosper!
> 
> Best
> David
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Iberê Fernandes
> mailto:ibere.fernan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 2014/1/6 David Yentzen  >:
> > Hello Lubuntu Comms,
> >   As with all things in life, there is a beginning and an end. So,
> too, this
> > is the case with me and Lubuntu. I have decided to move in life. I
> enjoyed
> > working with the Lubuntu Comms team and wish all of you well and
>  prosperous
> > lives.
> > @Ibere, if you need me to, I will continue to manage the Lubuntu Comms
> > Twitter acct for a reasonable period of time in order to give
> another team
> > member time to step forward and care for the account. Please let
> me know
> > either way.
> >
> > Live long and prosper
> >
> >
> > Best
> > David Yentzen
> 
> 
> David,
> 
> I've been on vacation and now I'm catching up my emails.
> 
> Thank you for your support so far. I wish you the best with your new
> projects.
> 
> I'll try to find somebody else to manage the Twitter account.
> 
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[Lubuntu-comms] tests of usb pendrive speed and ability to boot

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

I have tested some USB pendrives and published the results in a tutorial
thread in the Ubuntu Forums

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2196858&p=12907085#post12907085

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2196858&p=12907221#post12907221

I hope it can help when you need a new pendrive.

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] tests of usb pendrive speed and ability to boot

[Nio Wiklund]

2014-01-23 06:45, Nio Wiklund skrev:
> 2014-01-22 21:36, Lars Noodén skrev:
>> On 22.01.2014 17:38, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> I have tested some USB pendrives and published the results in a tutorial
>>> thread in the Ubuntu Forums
>>>
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2196858&p=12907085#post12907085
>>>
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2196858&p=12907221#post12907221
>>>
>>> I hope it can help when you need a new pendrive.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> Can you post the actual lines you used to test?  Also, did you try raw
>> throughput by writing the directly to the device?  of=/dev/sdb
>>
>> Also, the insides of a USB stick might be similar to those of an SD:
>>
>> http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2013/30C3_-_5294_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312291400_-_the_exploration_and_exploitation_of_an_sd_memory_card_-_bunnie_-_xobs.html
>>
>> Apparenly the SDs contain a small Arm7.
>>
>> Regards,
>> /Lars
>>
> Hi Lars,
> 
> I'll upload what you need to repeat the tests, and I'll send you a mail
> when it will be available (not this morning but I hope later today).
> 
> My experience of flashing iso files to pendrives is that piping through
> pv hardly makes it slower than using dd directly (at least not more than
> the typical variation of repeated tests). But sure, it is worth testing.
> 
> I'll have a look at the link about SD memory cards.
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
Hi again Lars,

Interesting lecture about flash memory :-)

I have uploaded the the usb-speed-test at

http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/usb-speed-test/

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] OBI tarballs of Bento OEM installation

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

Bento (by Mélodie) is a remastered flavour of Ubuntu 12.04,

bento-ubuntu-remix-DVD-RC-i386-2012.04.4

This system also promises long time support until April 2017. Like
Lubuntu, this system works well with old hardware as well as newer
hardware. See these links

http://phillw.net/isos/bento-ubuntu-remix/
http://linuxvillage.org/en/2013/11/

I found a way to make a working OEM installation with Bento. There are
now two tarballs, that I have uploaded to phillw.net. I uploaded the
version ready for the end user to my rather crowded google drive account
too.

http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/

http://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzX-18u3W1sQblBTYXNacGVsVkk&usp=sharing

size
1916796928  bento-ubuntu-remix-DVD-RC-i386-2012.04.4.iso
 -->
1737755268  Bento12.04.04-oem0.tar.xz  # in OEM stage
1743518004  Bento12.04.04-oem1.tar.xz  # ready for the end user

I installed it manually with the following IDs:

User name: OEM
Login name: oem
Password:123456  # can be anything
Hostname: oem# that is 'computer name'

and installed oem-config like this:

   sudo apt-get install oem-config
   sudo apt-get install oem-config-gtk

and copied the starter from the menu to the desktop for

   sudo oem-config-prepare

Finally to make it easier to install full language support, I installed

   sudo apt-get install language-selector-gnome

and the end user should run 'Language Support' from the Settings menu,
select and install the own language and probably make it work for the
whole system. After reboot it will work properly (at least Swedish works
for me, also keyboard settings).

I think it is a nice system well worth testing :-)

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] OBI tarballs of Bento OEM installation

[Nio Wiklund]

2014-01-27 20:57, Caleb Howland skrev:
> (Oops, forgot to send to the correct mailing list.)
> 
> Hello Nio,
> 
> Just a quick question: I fail to see why oem-config-gtk would be
> required for running [ sudo oem-config-prepare ]. Is oem-config-gtk
> required for that step? (assuming oem-config-gtk is just a GTK+ frontend
> for oem-config)
> 
> Caleb Howland (SonikkuAmerica)
> Ubuntu GNOME Comms
> Lubuntu Comms
> StartUbuntu Project
> 

Hi Caleb,

Honestly, I'm not sure, I did it according to a tutorial that I found,
and it works. The gtk extension adds some packages, and I guess some GUI
features might have problems with that extension. I did not bother to
test without it.

If you find that it is not necessary, fine, but maybe it might not work
in another case (other than Bento, some other respin, but still gtk-based).

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] Ubuntu mini.iso replaced by compressed tarball in Trusty Tahr

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi,

Notice that the Ubuntu mini.iso seems to be replaced by a compressed
tarball in Trusty Tahr!

-o-

See this thread at the Ubuntu Forums

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2204998

(posts #3 and #5)

[QUOTE=VMC] Have you tried the Daily Ubuntu Core? :

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=sudodus] Tarballs :-D

Like the containers of distros for my One Button Installer!

Is the old mini.iso installer abandoned in favour of Ubuntu Core
tarballs?[/QUOTE]


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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Ubuntu mini.iso replaced by compressed tarball in Trusty Tahr

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi again,

Originally Posted by kansasnoob at the Ubuntu Forums:

Yeah, it seems the QA Tracker is a hot mess, but these links to the
mini.iso should work if the kernel has been upgraded:

http://www.fr.php.net/ubuntu/dists/t...mages/netboot/
http://www.fr.php.net/ubuntu/dists/t...mages/netboot/

So we can still get the mini.iso alias netboot iso file (via France)

Best regards
Nio

2014-02-11 20:14, Nio Wiklund skrev:
> Hi,
> 
> Notice that the Ubuntu mini.iso seems to be replaced by a compressed
> tarball in Trusty Tahr!
> 
> -o-
> 
> See this thread at the Ubuntu Forums
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2204998
> 
> (posts #3 and #5)
> 
> [QUOTE=VMC] Have you tried the Daily Ubuntu Core? :
> 
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/[/QUOTE]
> 
> [QUOTE=sudodus] Tarballs :-D
> 
> Like the containers of distros for my One Button Installer!
> 
> Is the old mini.iso installer abandoned in favour of Ubuntu Core
> tarballs?[/QUOTE]
> 
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 


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[Lubuntu-comms] new tarballs for the OBI: Trusty Lubuntu, Xubuntu and LXLE 12.04.4 32-bits

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi,

There are four new tarballs at Phill's server

http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer


1. Trusty pre-beta

There are two experimental tarballs made from Lubuntu and Xubuntu Trusty
Tahr pre-beta daily builds. You are welcome to test them, but expect
that there might be problems, particularly when you try to update/upgrade.

LubuntuTrusty-oem-feb12.tar.xz
XubuntuTrusty-oem-feb13.tar.xz

These tarballs contain a 32-bit pae kernel and fake-pae and can be used
with most Intel/AMD CPUs including Pentium M and Celeron M processors.


2. LXLE 12.04.4

New tarballs are created by Jack Trice from LXLE 12.04.4 with 32-bit
non-pae kernel and OEM style installation.

lxle32-12.04.4-oem0.tar.gz # in OEM mode, password: 123456
lxle32-12.04.4-oem1.tar.gz # OEM: ready for the end user

These tarballs contain a 32-bit non-pae kernel and can be used with most
Intel/AMD CPUs including Pentium M and Celeron M processors. The non-pae
kernel does not manage memory above 2 GB well (but it is seldom a
problem with old hardware). LXDE is specified for minimum 512 MB RAM, so
these tarballs are suitable for computers with RAM size in the interval
[512 MB, 2 GB] See this link

http://wiki.lxle.net/doku.php/requirements

We selected this kernel to make good tarballs for old computers. The
64-bit version of LXLE is better for newer and more powerful computers,
but there is no such tarball (now).


Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] One Button Installer version 2.3 released

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

Version 2.3 of the One Button Installer is mainly a bug-fix update from
2.2 including updated pdf documents. The operating system (13.10) is
also updated/upgraded.

New feature: the OBI will share an existing swap partition, when
selected at the advanced OBI level.

-o-

See this link for details.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer version 2.3 released

[Nio Wiklund]

Yes Phill, not only OK, I'm happy to try your non-pae kernel :-)

I can install the kernel (with apt-get) in an installed system, and make
a tarball, that can be uploaded to your server for other people to try.
As you know, I have two Trusty systems (with tarballs) already, Lubuntu
and Xubuntu.

So I don't need a complete ISO with loop mounting. If you make the
kernel available to be installed for example via a ppa, it would be fine
for me.

Best regards
Nio

2014-02-22 17:22, Phill Whiteside skrev:
> Hi Nio,
> 
> if I get things done over the weekend, are you okay to try a non-pae
> kernel based 14.04 for people to try? I do need testers for this massive
> (for me) step change to have a community edition for 14.04lts which will
> be supported. There is now a kernel, with all the deb stuff for things
> like firmware etc. As soon as I can grab someone on IRC to tell e as to
> how inject the kernel into the ISO that is mounted via loop on the VM, I
> will release it for testing. I'm going to concentrate on the kernel and
> alternate ISO build, there is somone who is interested in the
> desktop/live ISO. Keep on the good work, new stuff is arriving :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> On 22 February 2014 16:01, Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> Version 2.3 of the One Button Installer is mainly a bug-fix update from
> 2.2 including updated pdf documents. The operating system (13.10) is
> also updated/upgraded.
> 
> New feature: the OBI will share an existing swap partition, when
> selected at the advanced OBI level.
> 
> -o-
> 
> See this link for details.
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
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[Lubuntu-comms] Tahrball with Phill's non-pae kernel

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

I made an OBI tarball of Lubuntu Trusty Tahr with Phill's non-pae
kernel. I have tested it in two computers and at least the basic things
work, but of course I have not tested everything. One of the computers
was my IBM Thinkpad T42 with a Pentium M CPU without PAE, where it
showed that is runs without PAE (with 32 bits physical memory).

Trusty is updated/upgraded till today (Feb 23), and this upgrade broke
Firefox, but I don't think it is Phill's kernel's fault. So I installed
Midori to give you a chance to browse the internet.

Tarball name:   Ltrusty-npae-feb23.tar.xz
Kernel version: 3.13.2_3.13.2-1_i386

Location:
http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer
http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/rc/
http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/tarballs

User name: tester
Password:  123456

See the attached file for more details.

Best regards
Nio
Tarball file name: Ltrusty-npae-feb23.tar.xz

And it is made from Lubuntu daily build of Trusty Tahr with Phill's non-pae 
kernel.

See this link

http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/rc

user name: tester
password:  123456

#  Some commands run in an IBM Thinkpad T42 with a Pentium M CPU without 
PAE flag

tester@tester-SATELLITE-PRO-C850-19W:~$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description:Ubuntu Trusty Tahr (development branch)
Release:14.04
Codename:   trusty
tester@tester-SATELLITE-PRO-C850-19W:~$ uname -a
Linux tester-SATELLITE-PRO-C850-19W 3.13.2 #1 SMP Thu Feb 20 00:58:15 GMT 2014 
i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
tester@tester-SATELLITE-PRO-C850-19W:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family  : 6
model   : 13
model name  : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz
stepping: 6
microcode   : 0x18
cpu MHz : 600.000
cache size  : 2048 KB
physical id : 0
siblings: 1
core id : 0
cpu cores   : 1
apicid  : 0
initial apicid  : 0
fdiv_bug: no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 2
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov clflush 
dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe bts est tm2
bogomips: 1198.92
clflush size: 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes   : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management:

tester@tester-SATELLITE-PRO-C850-19W:~$ grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
tester@tester-SATELLITE-PRO-C850-19W:~$ grep 'address sizes' /proc/cpuinfo
address sizes   : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual 
tester@tester-SATELLITE-PRO-C850-19W:~$

#  Comment  ##

32 bits physical memory indicates non-pae

This CPU indicates 36 bits physical memory when running a PAE kernel,
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Tahrball with Phill's non-pae kernel

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi again,

I upgraded the OBI to Trusty Tahr and Phill's non-pae kernel using

by sudo do-release-upgrade -d

as this was to a development release. I'll upload it to Phill's server
today.

Compressed image name:
dd_blank-obi_7.8GB_23_LubuntuSaucy_Trusty_non-pae.img.xz

Kernel version: 3.13.2_3.13.2-1_i386

Location:
http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer
http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/rc/
http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/dd_images

User name: myself
Password:  123456

I recommend mkusb to install the compressed image to a pendrive or a
hard disk drive. If you have or can borrow a really old non-pae CPU,
please try it in *text mode* to keep memory requirements low! It should
be happy with 128 MB in text mode.

Best regards
Nio

2014-02-23 11:21, Nio Wiklund skrev:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I made an OBI tarball of Lubuntu Trusty Tahr with Phill's non-pae
> kernel. I have tested it in two computers and at least the basic things
> work, but of course I have not tested everything. One of the computers
> was my IBM Thinkpad T42 with a Pentium M CPU without PAE, where it
> showed that is runs without PAE (with 32 bits physical memory).
> 
> Trusty is updated/upgraded till today (Feb 23), and this upgrade broke
> Firefox, but I don't think it is Phill's kernel's fault. So I installed
> Midori to give you a chance to browse the internet.
> 
> Tarball name:   Ltrusty-npae-feb23.tar.xz
> Kernel version: 3.13.2_3.13.2-1_i386
> 
> Location:
> http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer
> http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/rc/
> http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/tarballs
> 
> User name: tester
> Password:  123456
> 
> See the attached file for more details.
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Tahrball with Phill's non-pae kernel

[Nio Wiklund]

2014-03-01 06:02, Caleb Howland skrev:
> Nice play on words, Nio! 😊 I’m going to give one of the VBox images a
> try. I’m guessing it should work anyway, but looks like I can now test
> it with PAE disabled.
> 
> Caleb Howland (SonikkuAmerica)
> StartUbuntu Project
> Lubuntu Comms
> Ubuntu GNOME Comms
> 
> Sent from Windows 8.1 Mail
> 
> 
Hi Caleb,

I'm glad you appreciated the pun :-)

Unfortunately the VBox image is old, OBI version 1.1. This image is
built with a PAE kernel (from Ubuntu 13.04 mini.iso).

http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/vboxdisks/obi_4GB_11.vdi.xz

The current version is 2.3, and a lot has happened between these versions.

but using that version, you should be able to install a newer version of
the OBI into another virtual disk, or any one system from another tarball.

I have received no feedback about the VBox image for a long time (until
now). Let me know, if you can manage with the current vdi file, or if
you need a vdi file with the current version, and in this case the
standard one based on 13.10 or this experimental Tahrball with Phill's
non-pae kernel.

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS flavours will work with Pentium M and Celeron M

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

I think the Ubuntu 14.04 LTS flavours will work with Pentium M and
Celeron M CPUs :-)

I wrote this comment in the bug report at Launchpad about the bug for
Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs with PAE capability but without PAE flag.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/930447

Best regards
Nio
-
Now it is time for me to say thank you :-)

First of all, *I want to thank everybody contributing* to solving this
bug, or complex of bugs, concerning Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs and new
Ubuntu based kernels.

Then I want to mention roland aus köln (devzero-c), who continued
pushing this issue when we had given up (either completely or like me,
resorting to work-arounds).

And I want to thank Chris Bainbridge, who was able to do the actual
bug-fixes that made the ship turn around. I don't know if you are a
developer or a very skilled user, but you made a great difference.

Finally I want to thank you Chris for sharing the link to instructions,
that actually got me over the threshold to build a custom syslinux
bootable system. I'm working right now on a debian system, that should
be able to install from a CD/DVD or USB drive to very different systems
(including very old and limited systems) by flashing compressed image
files (img.xz files) or iso files and growing the file system when there
is extra space available.

I show the link again for everybody else, who might be interested. It
works for me with a couple of minor tweaks, the main one that I needed
to import a gpg key separately.

Best regards
sudodus alias Nio

- Comment #279 -
Chris Bainbridge (chris-bainbridge) wrote on 2014-03-03: #279

lkml: "grub is jumping to the 32-bit entry point and skipping the entire
real mode setup code. Bad grub."

You don't need to build a syslinux bootable iso. You can boot the kernel
from Grub in 16-bit mode by using the linux16 command
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/linux16.html and
initrd16 https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/initrd16.html

According to the discussion on LKML, linux16 is now the default on
Fedora, and should be used by other distributions.

(If you still want to build a custom syslinux bootable system, just for
fun, see the instructions at
http://willhaley.com/blog/create-a-custom-debian-live-environment/ -
it's about 25 lines of code in total, and not difficult to follow)
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS flavours will work with Pentium M and Celeron M

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Phill,

Yes I want to be involved :-)

By the way, is your old ubuntu mail address working again? The email
that I am replying to seems to be sent from it.

Best regards
Nio

2014-03-06 23:52, Phill Whiteside skrev:
> Nio,
> 
> indeed... from how I read it, the Celeron 'M's that can support pae but
> do not advertise it will be automatically supported. I understand that
> there are two early 'M' chips that cannot support pae at all.
> 
> In the meantime, the work on the non-pae community respin of lubuntu
> 14.04 alternate continues Both my self and bodhi are committed to
> get this sorted so it is not only released on time, but has
> documentation to ensure people can help keep it up dated for the 5
> years with the passing of fake-pae I hope you may want to get
> involved. I've allocated a dedicated build machine solely for the
> non-pae 14.04 lts. 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> On 6 March 2014 22:46, Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I think the Ubuntu 14.04 LTS flavours will work with Pentium M and
> Celeron M CPUs :-)
> 
> I wrote this comment in the bug report at Launchpad about the bug for
> Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs with PAE capability but without PAE flag.
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/930447
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> -
> Now it is time for me to say thank you :-)
> 
> First of all, *I want to thank everybody contributing* to solving this
> bug, or complex of bugs, concerning Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs and new
> Ubuntu based kernels.
> 
> Then I want to mention roland aus köln (devzero-c), who continued
> pushing this issue when we had given up (either completely or like me,
> resorting to work-arounds).
> 
> And I want to thank Chris Bainbridge, who was able to do the actual
> bug-fixes that made the ship turn around. I don't know if you are a
> developer or a very skilled user, but you made a great difference.
> 
> Finally I want to thank you Chris for sharing the link to instructions,
> that actually got me over the threshold to build a custom syslinux
> bootable system. I'm working right now on a debian system, that should
> be able to install from a CD/DVD or USB drive to very different systems
> (including very old and limited systems) by flashing compressed image
> files (img.xz files) or iso files and growing the file system when there
> is extra space available.
> 
> I show the link again for everybody else, who might be interested. It
> works for me with a couple of minor tweaks, the main one that I needed
> to import a gpg key separately.
> 
> Best regards
> sudodus alias Nio
> 
> - Comment #279 -
> Chris Bainbridge (chris-bainbridge) wrote on 2014-03-03: #279
> 
> lkml: "grub is jumping to the 32-bit entry point and skipping the entire
> real mode setup code. Bad grub."
> 
> You don't need to build a syslinux bootable iso. You can boot the kernel
> from Grub in 16-bit mode by using the linux16 command
> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/linux16.html and
> initrd16
> https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/initrd16.html
> 
> According to the discussion on LKML, linux16 is now the default on
> Fedora, and should be used by other distributions.
> 
> (If you still want to build a custom syslinux bootable system, just for
> fun, see the instructions at
> http://willhaley.com/blog/create-a-custom-debian-live-environment/ -
> it's about 25 lines of code in total, and not difficult to follow)
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Wiki Editing / meeting

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Phill and everybody else,


1. I'm very sorry to have made you upset.


2. I will not push this issue, but stay back and let other people manage
the Lubuntu wiki pages.


3. But I want to explain why I did what I did:

Initiated by you Phill, I checked what was minimum RAM for Trusty. I
sent that report to the Lubuntu community (as an email).

There was a discussion, that focused not so much about the test result,
but on what should be changed in the wiki page paragraph about system
requirements.

There was no sign of life from you Phill, or from Iberê or from Sergio,
and the discussion ended, and I thought it meant that people were happy
with the 'second wording'.

So I edited that into the wiki page and made a sub-page, according to
suggestions during the discussion.


Once again, I'm very sorry to have made you upset and will stay away
from the Lubuntu wiki pages.

Best regards
Nio

2014-03-29 03:09, Phill Whiteside skrev:
> Hi folks,
> 
> it seams to have missed people's minds that anything other a correction
> of syntax or a link that has expired has to be checked with the TL for
> the wiki area.
> 
> There are test areas about and our current guy has spent hours prepping
> up for 14.04.
> 
> To clear things, he will be attending #lubuntu-offtopic as part of a
> meeting that will be registered and logged. At that point you can ask
> him about the work that is being done by that team to have all the wiki
> ready for 14.04.
> 
> This may be a useful session for people who have been making a mess of
> the wiki 13.10 instead of the 14.04 pages to attend.
> 
> There is a very good reason we have a TL for wiki... Major changes go
> through that person and when in doubt that person can check with our
> head of dev.
> 
> 14:00 UTC 30th March on #lubuntu-offtopic
> 
> I expect all of you who have discussing lay out etc. to attend.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> personal secretary to Sergio,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] lubuntu-restricted-extras package

[Nio Wiklund]

2014-04-25 18:32, Andre Rodovalho skrev:
> By the way, I don't know if you guys are on control
> of http://lubuntu.net/ but there is a mistaken information on that
> slider... It says "shipped with chromium"
> 
> 
> 2014-04-25 13:29 GMT-03:00 Andre Rodovalho  >:
> 
> Hello guys, I installed this package recently on 14.04. I saw that
> it triggers to some other packages like chromium gstreamer. Since
> Chromium is not default browser, is this right?
> 
> 
> 
>
Hi Andre,

I'll forward your message to Mario Behling, who owns the page, and with
a copy to Julien Lavergne, Lubuntu's main developer, who is cooperating
closely with Mario, and Rafael Laguna who is responsible to the Lubuntu
artwork.

Hi Mario,

Have you considered updating the slide-show (at least change the slide
about Chromium-Browser to a slide about Firefox)?

Hi Rafael,

Is there some [other] slide that you would like to change, or have you
got any idea for another slide? How is the slide show on Lubuntu.net
compared to that in the desktop installer of Lubuntu 14.04 LTS?

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] light-weight and non-pae system via 9w

[Nio Wiklund]

If you really need a light-weight and non-pae system, try the 9w
installer and install a portable text-only system based on Ubuntu 14.04
LTS mini.iso

http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/Trusty-npae124-text.iso

and add whatever packages you want and tweak it.

This 9w (debian) installer can run in text mode and graphics mode. The
installed Ubuntu system has only text mode. I suggest that you grow the
partition and file system with gparted (while still running the 9w
installer).

Then after booting into the installed system, if you wish, install a
desktop environment, lubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop or the minimal
lubuntu-core or maybe only lxde or only openbox or fluxbox. Of course
'text only' or a window manager (for example openbox or fluxbox) or an
ultra-light desktop environment (Lubuntu or Lubuntu Core) will suit best
for old computers that need a non-pae kernel. And a non-pae kernel is
not a good idea with more than 2 GB RAM. But this system with a non-pae
kernel works in a wide range of computers.

It may help to get or at least view some other files (for example the
help file and md5sum file) from

http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/

See also this link (posts #88 and #89 and following)

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...6#post12957586

-o-

Otherwise zram and forcepae make standard Lubuntu available via the
standard installers, where my special installers were useful in previous
versions.

See also this link

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/AdvancedMethods

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] light-weight and non-pae system via 9w

[Nio Wiklund]

This link was truncated:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...6#post12957586

It should be like this

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2209683&page=5&p=12957586#post12957586

Best regards
Nio

2014-04-27 11:08, Nio Wiklund skrev:
> If you really need a light-weight and non-pae system, try the 9w
> installer and install a portable text-only system based on Ubuntu 14.04
> LTS mini.iso
> 
> http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/Trusty-npae124-text.iso
> 
> and add whatever packages you want and tweak it.
> 
> This 9w (debian) installer can run in text mode and graphics mode. The
> installed Ubuntu system has only text mode. I suggest that you grow the
> partition and file system with gparted (while still running the 9w
> installer).
> 
> Then after booting into the installed system, if you wish, install a
> desktop environment, lubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop or the minimal
> lubuntu-core or maybe only lxde or only openbox or fluxbox. Of course
> 'text only' or a window manager (for example openbox or fluxbox) or an
> ultra-light desktop environment (Lubuntu or Lubuntu Core) will suit best
> for old computers that need a non-pae kernel. And a non-pae kernel is
> not a good idea with more than 2 GB RAM. But this system with a non-pae
> kernel works in a wide range of computers.
> 
> It may help to get or at least view some other files (for example the
> help file and md5sum file) from
> 
> http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/
> 
> See also this link (posts #88 and #89 and following)
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2209683&page=5&p=12957586#post12957586
> 
> -o-
> 
> Otherwise zram and forcepae make standard Lubuntu available via the
> standard installers, where my special installers were useful in previous
> versions.
> 
> See also this link
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/AdvancedMethods
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 


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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] light-weight and non-pae system via 9w

[Nio Wiklund]

2014-04-27 11:35, SilverLion skrev:
> Dear Nio,
> 
> I would like to ask you to keep development-stuff and support off this
> Mailinglist as this is for the comms team which has enough on its own
> plate.
> 
> Thank you for your understanding.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jens aka. Silverlion
> (TL of Lubuntu Comms)

Sorry Jens,

I thought that the information about 9w might be worthwhile spreading
via the other communication channels. Anyway, I will try to abstain from
posting to this mailing list in the future.

Regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Lubuntu-Comms: New TL

[Nio Wiklund]

Good luck :-)

I will not be active here, but will read the lubuntu-comms mailing list.

Nio

2014-05-01 21:31, brendanperr...@gmail.com skrev:
> I will help and like this plan.
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Phill Whiteside  > wrote:
> 
> Count me in!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> On 1 May 2014 17:49, Jens Leineweber  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Team!
> (gosh ^^ I've always wanted to say that! :-D )
> 
> First of all I have to apologize to you for leaving you
> "un-employed"
> the last weeks but my RL kept me away from the computer so that I
> have trouble catching up with all that is asked from me for my
> new position.
> 
> For those of you, who dont know me: I am Jens aka silverlion on
> #freenode where you can find me on #phillw or just sent me a
> memo to get
> in touch with you. (For more information I have set up my wiki-page:
> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/silverlion).
> 
> As Ibere already mentioned in his mail, I'll take over comms
> from now on.
> But: one TL does not make an effort if the team does not properly
> function. So I am depending on your support, your willingness
> and your
> commitment to make Lubuntu present on the world wide web and the
> real
> world.
> 
> But to be able to do that, we do have a lot of work in front of
> us. My
> plan includes to reach out for the other *buntu comms teams to
> see what
> they are doing and to share experience.
> 
> On the other hand, we need to get in touch with the LoCo Teams
> to see
> how we could provide them materials and information about our distro
> 
> And thirdly I want to restructure the web-presence of Lubuntu
> and its
> social media channels. We have too many to manage them all. (But
> this is
> another story worth to be dealed with in a seperate email).
> 
> For now let's focus on the things mentioned above and try to get
> this
> team back into active mission status. I am willing to, are you too?
> 
> All the Best
> Jens
> (TL of Lubuntu Comms)
> 
> P.S.: If you have any questions or ideas. Please do share! Thank
> you!
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Lubuntu-Comms: New TL

[Nio Wiklund]

I need not add much to Phill's presentation, maybe that when I am 'ahead of
Phill in getting a non-pae release out (although I do use the kernel he
built :P )' I am using the 9w installer, which is also uploaded to Phill's
server.

There is also mkusb, a shell-script tool that I developed to flash iso
files and compressed image files to USB pendrives (and other drives). mkusb
is safer than using dd directly (dd's nickname is 'disk destroyer'). This
is often a good alternative to using Startup Disk Creator or Unetbootin.

Best regards
Nio


2014-05-02 12:14 GMT+02:00 Phill Whiteside :

> Jens,
>
> Nio is the driving force behind a set of community re-spins via
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI He does actively have lubuntu ones
> and is ahead of me in getting a non-pae release out (although he does use
> the kernel I built :P )
>
> He is a ubuntu forum moderator (
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971 ) and an all round
> 'good' guy. You will find several of them lurking, but doing what they
> enjoy :)
>
> Oh, and to give you head ache, his area of ISO's is also held on my server
> at http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/ which he looks after... :P
>
> Maybe you would like to round up all the community lubuntu re-spins into
> one area? That is quite possible... a bit like trying to herd cats :D
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On 2 May 2014 10:17, Jens Leineweber  wrote:
>
>> what team are you active in? Maybe you can be our liason ;-)
>>
>> That would give you an active Status in here too :-P
>>
>>
>> On 02.05.2014 08:14, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> > Good luck :-)
>> >
>> > I will not be active here, but will read the lubuntu-comms mailing list.
>> >
>> > Nio
>> >
>> > 2014-05-01 21:31, brendanperr...@gmail.com skrev:
>> >> I will help and like this plan.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Phill Whiteside > >> <mailto:phi...@phillw.net>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Count me in!
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Phill.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 1 May 2014 17:49, Jens Leineweber > >> <mailto:jleinewe...@posteo.de>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello Team!
>> >> (gosh ^^ I've always wanted to say that! :-D )
>> >>
>> >> First of all I have to apologize to you for leaving you
>> >> "un-employed"
>> >> the last weeks but my RL kept me away from the computer so
>> that I
>> >> have trouble catching up with all that is asked from me for my
>> >> new position.
>> >>
>> >> For those of you, who dont know me: I am Jens aka silverlion on
>> >> #freenode where you can find me on #phillw or just sent me a
>> >> memo to get
>> >> in touch with you. (For more information I have set up my
>> wiki-page:
>> >> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/silverlion).
>> >>
>> >> As Ibere already mentioned in his mail, I'll take over comms
>> >> from now on.
>> >> But: one TL does not make an effort if the team does not
>> properly
>> >> function. So I am depending on your support, your willingness
>> >> and your
>> >> commitment to make Lubuntu present on the world wide web and
>> the
>> >> real
>> >> world.
>> >>
>> >> But to be able to do that, we do have a lot of work in front of
>> >> us. My
>> >> plan includes to reach out for the other *buntu comms teams to
>> >> see what
>> >> they are doing and to share experience.
>> >>
>> >> On the other hand, we need to get in touch with the LoCo Teams
>> >> to see
>> >> how we could provide them materials and information about our
>> distro
>> >>
>> >> And thirdly I want to restructure the web-presence of Lubuntu
>> >> and its
>> >> social media channels. We have too many to manage them all.
>> (But
>> >> this is
>> >> another story worth to be dealed with in a seperate email).
>> >>
>> >> For now let's focus on the things menti

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Lubuntu Blog and the Webpage

[Nio Wiklund]

2014-05-05 01:47, brendanperrine skrev:
> On Mon, 05 May 2014 00:27:19 +0200
> Jens Leineweber  wrote:
> 
>> Hi again! 
>>
>> while working on the blueprints I found several attempts to switch from the 
>> main webpresence (http://lubuntu.net) to a blog which is done by Rafael 
>> Laguna (*buntu Artwork). 
>>
>> Thoughts were going into the direction to "close" down the webpage and 
>> support the blog. Well to be honest: I really dont like this idea, so I 
>> talked to rafael the other day and we agreed to hold both. The Blog (which 
>> will be alive seperated from the page) and http://lubuntu.net. 
>>
>> Lubuntu.net however has permission to copy the contents of Rafaels Blog 
>> whenever he put up something new. that way we can win triple: 
>>
>> 1) we can take benefit of the pole position on google ranking (Lubuntu.net 
>> is the very first result if you google "Lubuntu")
>>
>> 2) Rafael doesn't loose his readers (which makes him happy; and when he's 
>> happy, he'll be able to provide us with outstanding work ;) #hides)
>>
>> 3) lubuntu.net generates content to attract more readers.
>>
>> For me it sounds like a plan. What do you think?
>>
>> Let me know!
>> All the Best!
>> Jens
> 
> 
-
brendanperrine 

I also tried searching in duckduckgo, bing, and  yahoo and lubuntu.net
came on top and the blog wasn't on the top 2 or 3.
-

It seems to be a good idea to do 'both and', when there is enough
manpower to do it.

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] Please update the Lubuntu wiki pages from 14.04 LTS to 14.04.1

[Nio Wiklund]

Dear Lubuntu communicators and fellow Lubuntu users,


The first point release, Lubuntu 14.04.1 is available, and there are
important bug-fixes, so I suggest that the Lubuntu wiki pages are
updated from 14.04 LTS to 14.04.1. We should lead people to this new and
better version of Lubuntu also because it will reduce the amount of
updating for the users.

I'm not sure who is in charge of the wiki pages now, Sergio, Mario,
Silverlion, Rafael?


Examples of pages that I think need updating:

lubuntu.net (some info is updated, other is not, for example links to
downloading)

help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO


But the release notes are updated at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu

and this link from lubuntu.net brings also 14.04.1
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/


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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] meetings!

[Nio Wiklund]

Den 2015-11-12 kl. 00:36, skrev Walter Lapchynski:
> Well, I screwed up and got the time for today's wrong. I showed up an
> hour late to our meeting. I did manage to get all the logs and have them
> on the [page][1] we have dedicated to holding meeting notes. Make sure
> to check that out for a wee bit of update and a LOT of information about
> mkusb and the possibility of getting it included as a standard thing in
> Lubuntu. 
> 
> We also discussed about a wee change to the meeting time. We are now
> once a month, 2nd Wednesday, at 19:00 UTC. We've also included a little
> tool to figure out the time in your area on the [agenda][2] page which
> is updated for the next meeting already. Feel free to add any agenda
> items you have in mind. Otherwise, just come and hang out.
> 
> Also note that future meetings will be on #lubuntu-devel. This way we
> have Meetingology to take care of logging and notes and stuff.
> 
> If there's any other questions, comments, or concerns on the topics
> brought up at today's meeting, please don't hesitate to drop a line!
> 
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Hi everybody,

Here is a simple shell-script, that can help converting between UTC and
local time, provided you have the correct local time in your computer.
(Make it executable and put it in PATH. I put it in ~/bin)

-
sudodus@ssd-grund ~ $ utc2local
Usage:/home/sudodus/bin/utc2local [utc-time]
  /home/sudodus/bin/utc2local 'YEAR-mm-dd HH:MM-utc'
Example:  /home/sudodus/bin/utc2local '2015-11-22 18:30-utc'

Current UTC time = 2015-11-13 11:54

# For the next meeting (the example is for my CET) #

sudodus@ssd-grund ~ $ utc2local '2015-12-09 19:00-utc'
Usage:/home/sudodus/bin/utc2local [utc-time]
  /home/sudodus/bin/utc2local 'YEAR-mm-dd HH:MM-utc'
Example:  /home/sudodus/bin/utc2local '2015-11-22 18:30-utc'

  UTC time = 2015-12-09 19:00-utc
Local time = 2015-12-09 20:00

Locale: Wed Dec  9 20:00:00 CET 2015
sudodus@ssd-grund ~ $
-

Best regards
Nio

#!/bin/bash

echo "Usage:$0 [utc-time]"
echo "  $0 'YEAR-mm-dd HH:MM-utc'"
echo "Example:  $0 '2015-11-22 18:30-utc'"
echo ""
if [ "$*" == "" ]
then
 echo "Current UTC time = $(date -u '+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M')"
else
 echo "  UTC time = $*"
# echo ""
 timvar=$(date -d "$*" '+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M')
 echo "Local time = $timvar "
 timvar=$(date -d "$*")
 echo ""
 echo "Locale: $timvar "
fi
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] Beta 2 is released

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-04-07 06:05, Aere Greenway wrote:
> On 04/06/2013 05:11 PM, ∅ wrote:
>>
>> I pretty much run "lubuntu studio" so would be happy to help if you
>> give specifics.
>>
>> wxl
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2013 4:05 PM, "Aere Greenway" > > wrote:
>>
>> On 04/06/2013 04:16 PM, ∅ wrote:
>>
>> What's the problems with qjackctl? Logs please.
>>
>> I figured where qjackctl isn't one of the core (required -
>> installed by default) components, I would have to address that
>> problem with the people supporting JACK/qjackctl.
>>
>> I don't yet know what the problem is.  It won't successfully
>> initialize, which used to be common, but now is rare.
>>
>> -- 
>> Sincerely,
>> Aere
>>
> wxl:
> 
> The problem I ran into with qjackctl was from my lack of care in
> configuring it. 
> 
> It works perfectly, now that I fixed my bad configuration.  It seems
> rock-solid and reliable. 
> 
> And (finally) the 1.1.6 version of Fluidsynth (Qsynth) is available with
> 13.04, so I don't have to apply a PPA fix to libfluidsynth1.  That
> version also doesn't hang the system if there isn't enough memory for
> its soundfont(s). 
> 
> I really like 13.04, for that reason alone. 
> 
> I put it through some pretty challenging tests, and Qsynth came through
> without cutting out (underruns). 
> 
> So my minimum system is still viable for running MIDI, if only we can
> sort-out the software-updater problem. 
> 
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> Aere
> 
> 
> 
Great work and great results! Congratulations :-)

Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [10.04] - To Be or Not To Be - deep digging and testing

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-05-03 06:17, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
> On 05/02/2013 12:53 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> 
>> I'm now typing this email from Lubuntu 10.04:
> 
>> Okay, we all know that Lubuntu 10.04 wasn't LTS.
> 
>> Is this a secure system? is this an LTS system? what are the risks of
>> running this?
> 
> Because you do not already have the security and system administration
> expertise and experience to KNOW the answers, then for you, the answers
> to your three questions are:
> 
>  (1) "NO, this is not a sufficiently secure system for you".
> 
>  (2) "NO, this is not a supported LTS release".
> 
>  (3) "The main risks are not getting updated software, and so getting
>  hacked or infected or otherwise running malicious code".
> 
> That's as simple a set of answers as I can give.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> (NOTE: I am typing this on a Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS machine, my primary
> Ubuntu desktop at home, which I tried and failed to upgrade to 12.04
> recently -- I need to fix that ASAP!).
> 
> 
I agree with Jonathan Marsden. You can also check the following links

Lubuntu lifetime:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1954526

security of lxde in 12.04 after lubuntu eol:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1954702

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq#What.27s_the_difference_between_desktop_and_server.3F

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicSecurity

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[Lubuntu-comms] preliminary Lubuntu-fake-PAE wiki page

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Phill,

Please visit the preliminary wiki page

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE

and tell me what you think.

I have deliberately avoided to copy the full instructions to the page,
because I want to show that it is preliminary (like a beta release).

If you suggest that I put the whole instructions to the wiki page at
once, I'll do it. As you can see, there are links to Mörgæs's page

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE

When the Lubuntu-fake-PAE wiki page is mature enough, you and Mörgæs can
link to it from your wiki pages.

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Pentium M] Poll

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-05-09 12:52, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> We are running a survey/poll to find out:
> 
> *How Many Users are having Pentium M CPU?*
> 
> - If you are in Linux, please run this command in your Terminal to find
> out whether you do have a Pentium M CPU or not:
> 
> cat /proc/cpuinfo
> 
> - If you are using Windows, please go to Control Panel > System OR Right
> Click on My Computer > Properties
> 
> So, please *_BEFORE_* voting, make sure what type of CPU do you have :)
> 
> As always, thank you so much for taking the time to vote!
> 
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XQC6KNZ
> 
> 
> *_Note:_*
> *You can ONLY vote once!*
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Lubuntu Communications Team 
> 
> -- 
> *Best Regards,*
> *amjjawad *
> *Start Ubuntu
> *
> 
> /Test Machine: ASUS F3F Laptop - //Intel Core Duo T2350 @ 1.86GHz with
> 489MB RAM/
> 
We stopped the poll at 100 replies. And here are my personal comments:

In this short time 30 people have reported that they have a Pentium M.
My guess is that at least 20 of them have pae capability but no pae
flag, so they can benefit from Lubuntu-fake-PAE.

And it is 30% of those responding, which is much higher than I had
expected. Anyway, combined with the number of people who have reported
that they are affected by bug #930447 at Launchpad, 93, we are assured
that many people have Pentium M.

OK, the Lubuntu users are probably running much older hardware than the
average computer user, but anyway, I think you can easily imagine how
many Pentium M computers there are running Windows XP.

We can help the users keep these computers running, now that we have
methods to make attractive software available at 'XP end of life' in
April 2014.

Best regards
Nio


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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Lubuntu-13.04-fake-PAE

[Nio Wiklund]

Getting ready for easier conversion from Windows XP:

Now there are instructions how to make an install USB drive
*from Windows with graphical user interface tools* in

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-05-06 10:44, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Hello all Lubuntu lovers,
> 
> Now there are three methods to make the new Ubuntu family 32-bit pae
> kernels available for Pentium M, that have pae capability, but do not
> show the pae flag.
> 
> 
> 1. Mörgæs's method to start from the Ubuntu 12.04 non-pae mini-iso file
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
> 
> A variant of this method is that people who have
> - more or less personalized versions of Lubuntu 12.04 running, or
> - already have a Lubuntu 12.04 iso file and a slow internet connection
> use fake-pae to upgrade to 12.10 and/or 13.04.
> 
> 
> *. Lubuntu-13.04-fake-PAE
> 
> The idea is to make it easier for people who want to go directly into a
> new version of Lubuntu. This is a good alternative for a fresh install
> (instead of downloading 12.04 and upgrading twice to newer releases).
> 
> Right now the software (images to download and README files) resides on
> my google drive, but once it is tested by a few more people, Phill
> Whiteside can host it on his web-site. Only two persons have tested it
> (one person except myself), and I ask you for help.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B46yhFQuJvfPRXRvSmJ6b0xoNE0&usp=sharing
> 
> A. Please test if the installation process works, and that the README
> texts work, even if you have no laptop with Pentium M. I need feedback
> from you to improve the instructions, so that the installation will work
> also for people who are not so experienced with terminal window commands.
> 
> B. If you have no time to test an installation, please read the README
> files at the google drive site, and suggest improvments to make it
> better! Any suggestions are welcome, general ones that make it easier to
> follow, added text, changed text, improved English grammar (I am
> Swedish, and there might be some Swenglish phrases, that should be
> changed). Also tell me which method you prefer 'grub-n-iso' or
> 'installed system', and why :-)
> 
> 
> 2. 'grub-n-iso'
> 
> Advantages:
> Similar to normal installation (via 1GB or 2GB USB drive)
> No upgrading between versions is necessary
> Full flexibility, for example to make a dual boot system
> 
> Disadvantages:
> You do not get a complete worḱing operating system directly
> You need to install fake-pae using 7bit's ppa after the installation
> It uses the desktop iso file, while the alternate iso file can install
> to systems with lower RAM.
> 
> Warning: This Lubuntu Raring 'grub-n-iso’ system is not intended to run
> with non-pae CPUs, it is only intended for Pentium M, that have pae
> capability but no pae flag. I take no responsibility for any damage,
> that this software can cause.
> 
> Backup all personal data before trying this method.
> 
> Use it only for computers with old Pentium M CPUs without the pae flag
> (mainly if not only laptops)!
> 
> Check very carefully which drive is the USB drive, to use as the
> ‘grub-n-iso’ or ‘grub-n-iso-n-swap’ USB boot drive. Double check and
> triple check, because dd will overwrite the drive and if you write to a
> drive with unique data, there is no way to get them back.
> 
> The ‘grub-n-iso’ system should work well with 1 GB RAM or more, maybe
> with 768 MB. The ‘grub-n-iso-n-swap’ system can install will less RAM,
> because the swap can relieve some peaks in memory usage. It depends on
> the computer specs (not only RAM, also graphics chip and other devices,
> that use memory) if it will work, but I guess you can to install with
> 512 GB RAM. My guess is based on tests in VirtualBox. If you have less
> RAM, I suggest that you use another method, either the
> Lubuntu-13.04-fake-PAE install method 'installed system', or the method
> by Mörgæs starting with Ubuntu non-pae 12.04 mini.iso, fake-pae, and
> upgrading to
> 12.10 (and 13.04). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
> 
> 
> 3. Installed system
> 
> Advantages:
> No live install CD/DVD/USB drive is used
> No upgrading between versions is necessary
> You get a complete worḱing operating system directly
> 
> Disadvantages:
> It is a different way to install a system.
> It installs into 16 GB (the first 16 GB of a drive)
> It is easier to use 'grub-n-iso' for a dual boot system
> 
> 
> This Lubuntu Raring 'installed system' can run with at least the later
> Pentium M cpus. Right now it is on a USB 3 pendrive, installed from the
> Lubuntu Rar

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Lubuntu-13.04-fake-PAE

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Iberê,

Your Celeron M 1.2 GHz is maybe a couple of years older than my Pentium
M with 1.7 GHz. It would be very valuable for the project to know, if
your CPU has the PAE capability, and I think the best way to find out is
to try. We can only guess from what we find on the internet ;-)

Have you looked at

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE

yet? It is still in 'beta state', the image and instruction (README)
files reside on my google drive page. Please look at it in more detail!

You need not touch your working Lubuntu 12.04. Make an install USB
pendrive with 'grub-n-iso' (or a portable 'installed system' if you have
a 16 GB pendrive). Just make sure you are cloning the image to the USB
pendrive, and not to the internal HDD.

I would be very happy if you can try it and report the result.

When I run Lubuntu 12.04 with a non-pae kernel

cat /proc/cpuinfo

reports 32 bits for my Pentium M,

but when I run Lubuntu 13.04, it reports 36 bits physical address size.

So you need the pae kernel running to get 36 bits. If you don't get 36
bits, your celeron M 1.2 GHz has no PAE capability. At least this is
what I understand.

Best regards
Nio


On 2013-05-11 03:12, Iberê Fernandes wrote:
> question: i have a celeron M 1.2 GHz (yes, i know it's almost 10 years
> old) with no pae and physical address size reports 32 bits.
> 
> will any of the methods work for me before i start poking around my
> perfect working Lubuntu 12.04?
> 
> tks!
> iberê
> 
> 
> 2013/5/10 Nio Wiklund mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>
> 
> Getting ready for easier conversion from Windows XP:
> 
> Now there are instructions how to make an install USB drive
> *from Windows with graphical user interface tools* in
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> On 2013-05-06 10:44, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> > Hello all Lubuntu lovers,
> >
> > Now there are three methods to make the new Ubuntu family 32-bit pae
> > kernels available for Pentium M, that have pae capability, but do not
> > show the pae flag.
> >
> >
> > 1. Mörgæs's method to start from the Ubuntu 12.04 non-pae mini-iso
> file
> >
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
> >
> > A variant of this method is that people who have
> > - more or less personalized versions of Lubuntu 12.04 running, or
> > - already have a Lubuntu 12.04 iso file and a slow internet connection
> > use fake-pae to upgrade to 12.10 and/or 13.04.
> >
> >
> > *. Lubuntu-13.04-fake-PAE
> >
> > The idea is to make it easier for people who want to go directly
> into a
> > new version of Lubuntu. This is a good alternative for a fresh install
> > (instead of downloading 12.04 and upgrading twice to newer releases).
> >
> > Right now the software (images to download and README files)
> resides on
> > my google drive, but once it is tested by a few more people, Phill
> > Whiteside can host it on his web-site. Only two persons have tested it
> > (one person except myself), and I ask you for help.
> >
> >
> 
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B46yhFQuJvfPRXRvSmJ6b0xoNE0&usp=sharing
> >
> > A. Please test if the installation process works, and that the README
> > texts work, even if you have no laptop with Pentium M. I need feedback
> > from you to improve the instructions, so that the installation
> will work
> > also for people who are not so experienced with terminal window
> commands.
> >
> > B. If you have no time to test an installation, please read the README
> > files at the google drive site, and suggest improvments to make it
> > better! Any suggestions are welcome, general ones that make it
> easier to
> > follow, added text, changed text, improved English grammar (I am
> > Swedish, and there might be some Swenglish phrases, that should be
> > changed). Also tell me which method you prefer 'grub-n-iso' or
> > 'installed system', and why :-)
> >
> >
> > 2. 'grub-n-iso'
> >
> > Advantages:
> > Similar to normal installation (via 1GB or 2GB USB drive)
> > No upgrading between versions is necessary
> > Full flexibility, for example to make a dual boot system
> >
> > Disadvantages:
> > You do not get a complete worḱing operating system directly
> > You need to install fake-pae using 7bit's ppa af

[Lubuntu-comms] Instructions for Lubuntu-fake-PAE at the wiki

[Nio Wiklund]

Hello,

The instructions for Lubuntu-fake-PAE are at the wiki now. I have
converted the README files to new wiki pages and modified the original
wiki page to link to these pages.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE

Lubuntu-fake-PAE
|
+--- grub-n-iso
|
+--- InstalledSystemFakePAE

Please look at it and help me find errors!

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] Instructions for Lubuntu-fake-PAE at the wiki

[Nio Wiklund]

Hello again,

The instructions for Lubuntu-fake-PAE at the wiki are improved.
Text is added and changed. Screendump pictures are included.

Best regards
Nio
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The instructions for Lubuntu-fake-PAE are at the wiki now. I have
converted the README files to new wiki pages and modified the original
wiki page to link to these pages.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE

Lubuntu-fake-PAE
|
+--- grub-n-iso
|
+--- InstalledSystemFakePAE

Please look at it and help me find errors!

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] an iso for 'all' intel/amd computers

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

I suggest that we try to make a Lubuntu iso file, that can boot in 'all'
computers with intel/amd CPUs.

It used to be possible with 32-bit systems, but now there are more and
more UEFI systems, which need a 64-bit version to boot. Many of them can
be switched between UEFI and CSM, but some are locked to UEFI. This
limits the portability of live CD/USB drives and persistent live USB
drives, they work

- either 32-bits iso files for 'all' non-uefi systems
- or 64-bits iso files for 'all' 64-bit systems.

What would be needed to make a 32-bit system 'licensed' to run in UEFI?

I tried recently with a grub2 and iso system in a USB pendrive. I could
boot it in my Toshiba with UEFI (with a complaint, but it booted), but
after booting into Windows, the 'grub2 and iso pendrive' was no longer
bootable. Maybe it was blacklisted by some UEFI janitor, maybe something
was overwritten. So I think such a generally portable live system needs
to be created in a professional way with the licensing tools, that are
used in the 64-bit iso files.

I think an iso for 'all' intel/amd computers would be interesting also
for Xubuntu.

I'm willing to test it in low-end and high-end computers, but I don't
know how to create it.

Best regards
Nio


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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] an iso for 'all' intel/amd computers

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-05-25 19:11, Yorvyk wrote:
> On 25/05/13 16:59, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> I suggest that we try to make a Lubuntu iso file, that can boot in
>> 'all' computers with intel/amd CPUs.
>>
> Why? I fail to see any benefit from this.

I think it is good to have a portable live or persistent live system on
a USB pendrive. You need not carry a computer, only the pendrive, and
you can borrow almost any computer to run it.

> 
>> It used to be possible with 32-bit systems, but now there are more
>> and more UEFI systems, which need a 64-bit version to boot. Many of
>> them can be switched between UEFI and CSM, but some are locked to
>> UEFI. This limits the portability of live CD/USB drives and
>> persistent live USB drives, they work
>>
>> - either 32-bits iso files for 'all' non-uefi systems - or 64-bits
>> iso files for 'all' 64-bit systems.
>>
> Which seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Reasonable if you intend to use it to install, but it is better for a
portable system, if there are no such limits.

> 
>> What would be needed to make a 32-bit system 'licensed' to run in
>> UEFI?
>>
> What makes you think you need anything licensed to boot with UEFI?

Reading the discussions about UEFI, and how people are trying to make it
dual boot with Windows 8 in UEFI. Maybe licensed is the wrong term,
maybe the term is 'a key'.

Try to boot a USB drive, any 32-bit Ubuntu family version! It will not
work. All these USB pendrives work when I switch UEFI off. But this is
not possible in some computers.

Clonezilla i686-pae boots from CD, Lubuntu 12.04 i386 non-pae boots
neither from CD nor USB. Lubuntu 12.04 64-bits boots from CD. Ubuntu
12.04.2 boots from USB, but I think it is 'licensed'. A brand new
download of debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso does not boot from
USB, but it boot fine when no UEFI.
> 
>> I tried recently with a grub2 and iso system in a USB pendrive. I
>> could boot it in my Toshiba with UEFI (with a complaint, but it
>> booted), but after booting into Windows, the 'grub2 and iso pendrive'
>> was no longer bootable. Maybe it was blacklisted by some UEFI
>> janitor, maybe something was overwritten. So I think such a generally
>> portable live system needs to be created in a professional way with
>> the licensing tools, that are used in the 64-bit iso files.
>>
> With out any error messages etc. this could be totally unrelated to UEFI.

I can try again, but what I know is that for example Ubuntu 12.04.2
boots from USB repeatedly without any problems. A 32-bit system with the
same 'license' or 'key' should work too, and would be a good candidate
for a truly portable system.

> 
>> I think an iso for 'all' intel/amd computers would be interesting
>> also for Xubuntu.
>>
>> I'm willing to test it in low-end and high-end computers, but I
>> don't know how to create it.
>>
>> Best regards Nio


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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Lubuntu-13.04-fake-PAE

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

Now Iberê has verified that fake-PAE works with a Celeron M 1.2 GHz.
Lubuntu 13.04 is installed and the data has been shared to make the span
of Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs wider.

-o-

Our test results so far for Pentium M CPUs suitable for fakePAE, 'No PAE
flags but 36 bit physical memory address size':

--- CPU name   -- CPUID Output of 'cpuid|grep ^0001' --
Lowest: Celeron M 1200 Mhz 0001 0695 0812  a7e9f9bf
Celeron M 1.40 GHz
Pentium M 1.50 GHz 0001 06d6 0816 0180 afe9f9bf
Pentium M 1600 MHz 0001 0695 0816 0180 a7e9f9bf
Highest:Pentium M 1.70 GHz 0001 06d6 0816 0180 afe9f9bf

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-05-26 01:00, Iberê Fernandes wrote:
> Nio,
> 
> I've just tested your instructions at
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grub-n-iso
> 
> from items a) to f1), g) and  h) and now on the live session cat
> /proc/cpuinfo reports 36 bits physical so I guess my Celeron M 1.2Ghz
> has PAE capability. note that on lubuntu 12.04 it's reporting 32 bits
> physical.
> 
> thank you for supporting old computers such as mine! 
> 
> i'm not installing lubuntu 13.04 because my kid is playing on the laptop
> now, but in the next weekend or so, i will install and report it to all
> of you. anyway, now i'm almost sure it'll work and that laptop will keep
> useful! i'm so happy, thanks to all of you. lot's of kudos!
> 
> btw, this is my celeron M:
> http://ark.intel.com/products/27138/Intel-Celeron-M-Processor-310-512K-Cache-1_20-GHz-400-MHz-FSB
> 
> thank you again!
> Iberê
> 
> 
> 2013/5/11 Nio Wiklund mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>
> 
> Hi Iberê,
> 
> Your Celeron M 1.2 GHz is maybe a couple of years older than my Pentium
> M with 1.7 GHz. It would be very valuable for the project to know, if
> your CPU has the PAE capability, and I think the best way to find out is
> to try. We can only guess from what we find on the internet ;-)
> 
> Have you looked at
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
> 
> yet? It is still in 'beta state', the image and instruction (README)
> files reside on my google drive page. Please look at it in more detail!
> 
> You need not touch your working Lubuntu 12.04. Make an install USB
> pendrive with 'grub-n-iso' (or a portable 'installed system' if you have
> a 16 GB pendrive). Just make sure you are cloning the image to the USB
> pendrive, and not to the internal HDD.
> 
> I would be very happy if you can try it and report the result.
> 
> When I run Lubuntu 12.04 with a non-pae kernel
> 
> cat /proc/cpuinfo
> 
> reports 32 bits for my Pentium M,
> 
> but when I run Lubuntu 13.04, it reports 36 bits physical address size.
> 
> So you need the pae kernel running to get 36 bits. If you don't get 36
> bits, your celeron M 1.2 GHz has no PAE capability. At least this is
> what I understand.
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> 
> On 2013-05-11 03:12, Iberê Fernandes wrote:
> > question: i have a celeron M 1.2 GHz (yes, i know it's almost 10 years
> > old) with no pae and physical address size reports 32 bits.
> >
> > will any of the methods work for me before i start poking around my
> > perfect working Lubuntu 12.04?
> >
> > tks!
> > iberê
> >
> >
> > 2013/5/10 Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com> <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com
> <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>>
> >
> > Getting ready for easier conversion from Windows XP:
> >
> > Now there are instructions how to make an install USB drive
> > *from Windows with graphical user interface tools* in
> >
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> > On 2013-05-06 10:44, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> > > Hello all Lubuntu lovers,
> > >
> > > Now there are three methods to make the new Ubuntu family
> 32-bit pae
> > > kernels available for Pentium M, that have pae capability,
> but do not
> > > show the pae flag.
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Mörgæs's method to start from the Ubuntu 12.04 non-pae
> mini-iso
> > file
> > >
> > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
> > >
> > > 

[Lubuntu-comms] Ubuntu Wiki - FromUSBStick

[Nio Wiklund]

I have edited the Ubuntu Wiki - FromUSBStick page

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick

which was previously edited by mörgæs

Please have a look at it! complain and edit, if you are not happy with
what I have added:


Temporary edit

The startup disk creator version usb-creator-gtk is buggy in Lubuntu
13.04 and 13.10. Use usb-creator-kde or one of the other tools. See this
bug report (and comments #15 and #16).

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1165200/


Paragraphs about

- dd image of iso file to USB device safely

- Booting USB drives with grub2 and iso files 'grub-n-iso'

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] Ubuntu Wiki - FromUSBStick

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-06-10 19:53, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013, at 01:49 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> 
>> I have edited the Ubuntu Wiki - FromUSBStick page ...
> 
>> The startup disk creator version usb-creator-gtk is buggy in Lubuntu
>> 13.04 and 13.10. Use usb-creator-kde or one of the other tools. See
>>this bug report (and comments #15 and #16).
>>
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1165200/
> 
> Wouldn't it be more useful to provide the temporary workaround of
> 
>   sudo apt-get install python-gudev gir1.2-gudev-1.0 -y
> 
> (above is typed from memory, use with care!) instead of turning people
> away from the tool we expect to be on the Lubuntu ISO?
> 
> Jonathan
> 
Thank you for the reply,

I need feed-back, so that I don't destroy anything, even if the
intention is good.

Your ppa makes a big improvement of usb-creator-gtk :-) It probably
works more or less without issues to create standard live USB drives
without persistence.

But I think it is still flaky, particularly the 64-bit version. Remember
that Julien got segfault, when he tested it. Also the 32-bit version can
misbehave, unless the system and USB drive are well prepared.

I have not been able to file a bug about the segfault. It does not
activate apport. How could I do it?

-o-

I have a question: did you do anything else than adding those libraries?
Or do you think someone else has provided some improvement, that helps
usb-creator-gtk work?

And are your packages the same (version) as what would be installed in

- an original 13.04 system without any updates?

- a fully updated 13.04 system?

As I wrote in one of the mails, it feels like usb-creator-gtk has
improved compared to when I started testing it with those two (same?)
libraries in an installed system. Or am I only using it in a more
consistent way to produce good persistent drives?

-o-

On the other hand, the recommendation to use usb-creator-kde is only a
temporary solution for people to use *now*. I would like to get the GTK
version work well, and have it included in the iso file (which is
completely impossible with the KDE version due to the huge KDE library
extra load.

-o-

But if you think it reduces the chances to get usb-creator-gtk debugged,
I will remove the 'temporary edit' about it from the wiki and from the
tutorial.

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] Ubuntu Wiki - FromUSBStick

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-06-11 01:05, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> 
>> On 2013-06-10 19:53, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
> 
>>> Wouldn't it be more useful to provide the temporary workaround of
>>>
>>>   sudo apt-get install python-gudev gir1.2-gudev-1.0 -y
> 
>> Your ppa makes a big improvement of usb-creator-gtk :-) It probably
>> works more or less without issues to create standard live USB drives
>> without persistence.
> 
>> But I think it is still flaky, particularly the 64-bit version.
>> Remember that Julien got segfault, when he tested it. Also the 32-bit
>> version can misbehave, unless the system and USB drive are well
>> prepared.
> 
> OK... I'm just concerned that once we turn people off usb-creator-gtk,
> it is hard to persuade them to come back it... so the bugfix work is not
> even tried by all the folks we have told not to use usb-creator-gtk.
> 
>> I have not been able to file a bug about the segfault. It does not
>> activate apport. How could I do it?
> 
> If you get a core dump file (make sure ulimit is not set to 0 for core
> files), you can run something like
> 
>   apport-bug -f -p usb-creator-gtk
> 
> and then attach a GDB backtrace from the core to the bug report.  But in
> general apport "should" catch segfault crashes, as far as I know.
> 
>> I have a question: did you do anything else than adding those
>> libraries?
> 
> No, nothing else at all.
> 
>> And are your packages the same (version) as what would be installed in
>> - an original 13.04 system without any updates?
>> - a fully updated 13.04 system?
> 
> Yes.  As far as I know 0.2.47 is what should be installed in both cases.
> 
>> As I wrote in one of the mails, it feels like usb-creator-gtk has
>> improved compared to when I started testing it with those two (same?)
>> libraries in an installed system. Or am I only using it in a more
>> consistent way to produce good persistent drives?
> 
> I think that's something about your system or the way you are using it.
> 
>> But if you think it reduces the chances to get usb-creator-gtk
>> debugged, I will remove the 'temporary edit' about it from the wiki
>> and from the tutorial.
> 
> I'm not an expert on publicity and writing good web sites :)  Maybe the
> wiki page should suggest installing those two packages, and say
> something like
> 
>   If you still have problems with usb-creator-gtk after installing these
>   two additional packages, as a temporary workaround, you can try using 
>   usb-creator-kde instead.
> 
> In the end, if you make the changes to the wiki page, they need to say
> what you are comfortable saying... so it is your choice.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
Thank you for taking time to write this detailed reply, Jonathan :-)

I'm reading and learning ... and I will:

1. Add a tip about your ppa

2. use your words:

"If you still have problems with usb-creator-gtk after installing these
two additional packages, as a temporary workaround, you can try using
usb-creator-kde instead."

3. Try to make a bug report about the segmentation fault

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] mini.iso version 13.04 can be cloned to a working USB install drive

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

I discovered a new feature of the mini iso: It works as USB.

A dd-cloned USB pendrive of the version 12.04 of mini.iso booted but did
not work all the way a couple of week ago (and probably still does not
work).

I was encouraged by a post by innn@ubuntuforums and downloaded

mini.iso version 13.04 (32-bits),

cloned it to a USB pendrive with dd and installed a working Lubuntu
minimal system.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2155713&p=12698910#post12698910

Let us make sure that the mini.iso version 13.10 will keep working and
have it as a good mini-alternative :-)

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Fwd: [Lubuntu Official] Good news people :) I'm glad to tell you:

[Nio Wiklund]

This is great :-)
Nio

On 2013-06-23 23:28, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> This is pretty awesome news for lubuntu!
> 
> @ Ali and others who I asked to hold back on our shouting out that
> lubuntu should wait for 13.10, I apologise! Sadly it is planned from
> March, I do think we should get in touch with them and ask that it
> coincide with our 1st LTS which is April.
> 
> @ Jono, can you, via Canonical, alert them to the fact it would be
> better to wait for our 1st LTS in April 2014?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: *René Lara*  >
> Date: 23 June 2013 22:00
> Subject: [Lubuntu Official] Good news people :) I'm glad to tell you:
> To: Lubuntu Official  >
> 
> 
> __
> René Lara posted in Lubuntu Official
> 
> Good news people :) I'm glad to tell you:...
> 
>   
> René Lara
> 
>   23 June 22:00
> 
> Good news people :) I'm glad to tell you:
> 
> Congratulations buddies, you have made an excellent job at Lubuntu and
> there it is, you're being considered one of the best Linux distros
> today, and now Munich has chosen your distro to give it to their people.
> 
> ...And I think I will try Lubuntu 13.04 or maybe the beta for 13.10,
> because I have a free 20 Gb Partition ;) :D
> 
>   German City Hopes to Wean Citizens Off Windows XP With Free Linux CDs -
> OMG! Ubuntu!
> 
> www.omgubuntu.co.uk
> 
> 
> Munich City Council plan to distribute free Linux CDs to citizens as a
> 'replacement for Windows XP' ...
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> · Reply to this email to add a comment.
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu Official] Good news people :) I'm glad to tell you:

[Nio Wiklund]

Yes, this is great, but the right timing is to wait until the Lubuntu
LTS, unless there should be a special agreement including support with
Munich. Then it would be a giant prototype or testcase and learning
before the real launching at the release of the LTS.

Nio

On 2013-06-24 00:02, Ben Parrish wrote:
> I see their adoption as a great step forward in Lubuntu.  The only issue
> with them adopting the current version could be bad publicity of their
> launch doesn't go well, especially if support is dropped after 9
> months.  The advantage to waiting for a LTS, would be stability, and
> less of a risk of leaving a bad taste in users' mouths if there are
> major bugs etc.
> 
> What about urging people to upgrade when the time comes for major
> distribution upgrades? Or publicizing dedicated LTS support for the
> April launch and making that an incentive to upgrade?
> 
> On Jun 23, 2013 2:57 PM, "Phill Whiteside"  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, 
> 
> I have a Q by all means promote lubuntu as an XP replacement...
> but the release of such a replacement will be the 14.04 LTS. As
> desktop releases only have 9 months support, are you seriously going
> to argue that 13.10 is a replacement and in 9 months time all
> support will be dropped? If they go for a March launch, then the
> CD's will be unsupported by July 2014.
> 
> I think that would be a VERY bad move.
> 
> Phill.
> 
> On 23 June 2013 22:44, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  > wrote:
> 
> Phill,
> 
> With all due respect to your personal opinion, I do disagree
> with you :)
> 
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu
> 
> I have created this project months ago. I was NOT planning to
> hold anything back. As a respect to the decision to wait, that
> was because this project was born in March and we had to release
> 13.04. Now, 13.04 has been released, 13.10 is under development,
> I simply 'fail' to see any good point to wait.
> 
> The Germany Government has made that move. This is a HUGE move.
> We should carry on and be happy, not to hold or wait, PLEASE!
> 
> I'm saying it here now, publicly, that I can simply stop ALL my
> activities on Lubuntu Community and JUST focus on Start Ubuntu.
> 
> This Project must NEVER wait. You may think we do have time.
> Sorry, this is wrong. We do not have time. Time flies and runs
> so fast. 
> 
> IMHO, let them start using any version of Lubuntu. Let them get
> used to it. Let them explore it. Let them start asking Qs. ALL
> that time, from now to 14.04, we will have so many feedback,
> notes, suggestions, etc. This will no question will HELP us to
> make a rock solid system.
> 
> I've been asked to change the name of Start Lubuntu to Start
> Ubuntu. I've been told to wait until 13.10. ALL done.
> Now, I'm sorry, I'm not planning to remain silent after this
> huge step from the Germany Government.
> 
> @Everyone
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu
> 
> Please read and contact me if you have any Q.
> 
> Let's do it, please! 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Phill Whiteside
> mailto:phi...@ubuntu.com>> wrote:
> 
> This is pretty awesome news for lubuntu!
> 
> @ Ali and others who I asked to hold back on our shouting
> out that lubuntu should wait for 13.10, I apologise! Sadly
> it is planned from March, I do think we should get in touch
> with them and ask that it coincide with our 1st LTS which is
> April.
> 
> @ Jono, can you, via Canonical, alert them to the fact it
> would be better to wait for our 1st LTS in April 2014?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: *René Lara*
>  >
> Date: 23 June 2013 22:00
> Subject: [Lubuntu Official] Good news people :) I'm glad to
> tell you:
> To: Lubuntu Official  >
> 
> 
> __
> René Lara posted in Lubuntu Official
> 
> 
> Good news people :) I'm glad to tell you:...
> 
> 
>   
> René Lara
> 
> 

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] [Lubuntu Official] Good news people :) I'm glad to tell you:

[Nio Wiklund]

I agree, Jackson,

If 'the customer' wants it in March, we can do the best of that
situation. And your idea of a special edition sounds good to me.

It certainly means some extra testing, but it is a great opportunity.

Nio

On 2013-06-24 00:24, Jackson Doak wrote:
> I still think it's worth getting an early release of 14.04 or a late
> release of saucy, but anything will work.
> We could always aim for an early (~beta1/14.02) release of 14.04 that
> will auto-update to 14.04.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  > wrote:
> 
> Phill,
> 
> Problem is, we are talking apples and oranges here.
> I have never stated that Lubuntu 13.10 will be 'the replacement' for
> Windows XP :)
> I have stated, I'm stating, and will state that Lubuntu, is the best
> replacement for Windows XP.
> 
> Please, if that is not clear, by all means, I'm more than glad to
> repeat myself :D
> 
> So, our argument/discussion/etc is invalid.
> 
> By the way, 13.10 will be released in October. 14.04 LTS will be
> released in April. That is 6 months, not 9 :)
> So, if say they will start using Lubuntu 13.10 by next October, by
> next April, they will have an LTS version :)
> 
> Again, the point is, they will start using Linux. 
> It happened that Linux System is Lubuntu.
> 
> Are you telling me that the one and only version of Lubuntu that
> will be used is 13.10? I guess not.
> 
> I do hope now I have made myself clear enough!
> 
> Thanks :)
> 
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Phill Whiteside  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, 
> 
> I have a Q by all means promote lubuntu as an XP
> replacement... but the release of such a replacement will be the
> 14.04 LTS. As desktop releases only have 9 months support, are
> you seriously going to argue that 13.10 is a replacement and in
> 9 months time all support will be dropped? If they go for a
> March launch, then the CD's will be unsupported by July 2014.
> 
> I think that would be a VERY bad move.
> 
> Phill.
> 
> On 23 June 2013 22:44, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  > wrote:
> 
> Phill,
> 
> With all due respect to your personal opinion, I do disagree
> with you :)
> 
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu
> 
> I have created this project months ago. I was NOT planning
> to hold anything back. As a respect to the decision to wait,
> that was because this project was born in March and we had
> to release 13.04. Now, 13.04 has been released, 13.10 is
> under development, I simply 'fail' to see any good point to
> wait.
> 
> The Germany Government has made that move. This is a HUGE
> move. We should carry on and be happy, not to hold or wait,
> PLEASE!
> 
> I'm saying it here now, publicly, that I can simply stop ALL
> my activities on Lubuntu Community and JUST focus on Start
> Ubuntu.
> 
> This Project must NEVER wait. You may think we do have time.
> Sorry, this is wrong. We do not have time. Time flies and
> runs so fast. 
> 
> IMHO, let them start using any version of Lubuntu. Let them
> get used to it. Let them explore it. Let them start asking
> Qs. ALL that time, from now to 14.04, we will have so many
> feedback, notes, suggestions, etc. This will no question
> will HELP us to make a rock solid system.
> 
> I've been asked to change the name of Start Lubuntu to Start
> Ubuntu. I've been told to wait until 13.10. ALL done.
> Now, I'm sorry, I'm not planning to remain silent after this
> huge step from the Germany Government.
> 
> @Everyone
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu
> 
> Please read and contact me if you have any Q.
> 
> Let's do it, please! 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Phill Whiteside
> mailto:phi...@ubuntu.com>> wrote:
> 
> This is pretty awesome news for lubuntu!
> 
> @ Ali and others who I asked to hold back on our
> shouting out that lubuntu should wait for 13.10, I
> apologise! Sadly it is planned from March, I do think we
> should get in touch with them and ask that it coincide
> with our 1st LTS which is April.
> 
> @ Jono, can you, via Canonical, alert them to the fact
> it would be better to wait for our 1st LTS in April 2014?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
>  

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Windows XP support period

[Nio Wiklund]

See inline
/Nio

On 2013-06-24 05:48, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
> Ali,
> 
> On 06/23/2013 03:31 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> 
>> For how many years now, a Windows XP Users has been using XP?
> 
> Potentially since 2002 (technically, since 31 Dec 2001).  So up to 10.5
> years.
> 
>> Do they really update it?
> 
> Yes, usually automatically via Windows Update.  You can use Windows
> Update, or you can use WSUS, or you can use all manner of other 3rd
> party management systems to help ensure your XP machines are as updated
> as they can be.
> 
> XP Extended support continues until 08 April 2014.  Mainstream support
> officially ended 14 April 2009.  See
> 
>   http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?ln=en-gb&c2=1173
> 
> So even if we take 14 April 2009 as "end of support" for the average
> user, (and there have been security updates for XP since then), that is
> an XP support lifetime of 7 years, 3 months, 2 weeks.  Let's call that
> 87.5 months.
> 
> That makes 9 months look a little short, doesn't it?  Lubuntu 13.10 will
> have ten times less support lifetime than XP.
> 
> I'd think Lubuntu working with a major project like this, and suggesting
> or recommending a slightly modified timeline (so it can benefit from a
> LTS release) would be seen as a positive thing, if handled appropriately
> and professionally by our communications people :)

Yes, a slightly modified timeline (so it can benefit from a LTS release)
'14.02 or 14.03' like Jackson Doak suggested

> I wonder if they set a March date because extended support for XP will
> end in early April 2014?  If so, how they get support for XP for that
> intervening 2 weeks or so could be something that needs thinking about,
> if we want to propose a late April date for the mass Lubuntu 14.04
> distribution.
> 
> Jonathan
> (who manages IT support for over 100 companies that between them *still*
> run at least several hundred Windows XP workstations, today in 2013, as
> part of his day job!)
> 
> 


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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Munich to distribute Lubuntu CDs to replace Windows XP

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-06-25 16:25, Lars Noodén wrote:
> Lubuntu is in the news, here is one summary out of several:
> 
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/germany-to-hand-out-free-ubuntu-cds-on-xps-deat
> 
> A similar approach could be taken by other XP users, especially if we
> encourage it.
> 
> Would the project be able to (and desire to) accommodate users, testers,
> and developers from that pool?  They could help bring us through 13.10
> up to the LTS holy grail of 14.04
> 
> Regards,
> /Lars
> 
I think this is a great opportunity, and I really hope people will be
happy receiving [many] new people.

Will they be happy installing Lubuntu in less than 100 seconds?

I was kind of frustrated, that in order to succeed with low RAM, most if
not all degrees of freedom are lost, and yet the [graphical desktop]
installer feels quite unstable. Yes, I admit that is is much better than
before with zRAM, but anyway, if there are no degrees of freedom you
might as well run a simple deterministic shell-script.

I will write more about it in a separate mail.

Best regards
Nio


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[Lubuntu-comms] installing Lubuntu in less than 100 seconds

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

I think the end of life of Windows XP is a great opportunity for
Lubuntu, and I really hope the Lubuntu community will be happy receiving
[many] new people.

Will they be happy installing Lubuntu in less than 100 seconds?

- Installing in a simple and straight-forward way.
- Not yet polished, but simple from the ground.

I was kind of frustrated, that in order to succeed with low RAM, most if
not all degrees of freedom are lost, and yet the [graphical desktop]
installer feels quite unstable. Yes, I admit that is is much better than
before with zRAM, but anyway, if there are no degrees of freedom you
might as well run a simple deterministic shell-script.

So I made almost a one-button installer (there are a few yes-no
questions, and a simple cli selector to make it easier to find the
correct target drive). This installer is run from a 'grub-n-iso-swap'
system from

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grub-n-iso

I installed a system from a USB 3 pendrive to a USB 3 HDD in less than 1
minute and 40 seconds (including answering those questions). Here are
the computer specs.

http://www.toshiba.se/laptops/satellite-pro/c850/satellite-pro-c850-19w/

I hope that it will work well also with old computers, where the
standard installers tend to be slow.

I created the system on the IDE hard drive of my old AMD Athon XP, and
made the tarball from it, so it was ported across time and
manufacturer's barriers without any problems.

I think this way might be easy enough for Windows XP users.

The script does the following main tasks.

1. Helps selecting the correct drive with some logic and simple command
line tools.

2. Unmounts and swaps off.

2. Wipes the first megabyte with dd.

3. Creates two partitions with fdisk (fully automatic).

4. Makes a file system and swap system.

5. Expands a tarball of a freshly installed Lubuntu Saucy alpha
including updates and third party multimedia (2.1 Gibibytes uncompressed).

6. Installs the grub bootloader.

I have attached a text file with some output from the text. I timed it
with the following command:

time sudo ./mktst

and it responded with

real1m38.621s
user0m22.692s
sys 0m8.576s

And finished with a fully working portable Lubuntu installed system.

Beat that record if you can :-)

Yes, you can, because I'm happy to share the script, and the computer is
fairly new, but not really fancy, so with a faster computer and an SSD
target (or SSD source and target) it will be easy to reduce the time.

The attached script has two lines commented away (just for the test),
but if you want to use it in serious situations, you should reactivate
them, because they help selecting the correct target drive.

 #lshw -class disk >> "$hlptxt"

 # xterm -geometry 120x40 -title "less $hlptxt" -e less "$hlptxt" &

Best regards
Nio

 Original Message 
Subject: One button installer for Lubuntu
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 01:42:59 +0200
From: Nio Wiklund 
To: Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
CC: Phill Whiteside ,  Jonathan Marsden


Hi,

Is there a way to make a simple mode to install, provided the whole
drive is to be used, as it is intended in the case of replacing Windows
in fairly old computers with 256 (and 512) MB RAM?

First I was thinking of some kind of 'batch mode', without questions,
once you have connected to the computer. It should install to the first
drive.

But I have good experiences of the portability of installed systems on
USB drives. So I would rather do it like this:

0. Assume there is one internal drive (/dev/sda), and that it should be
converted to Lubuntu. (Otherwise other methods should be used.)

1. Fill the drive with

1.1 a root partition and
1.2 a swap partition, size = sizeofRAM + 1GB

2. Expand a compressed image of Lubuntu

See this example

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstalledSystemFakePAE

where there is actually only one crucial command line

zcat dd-sdb.img.gz | dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sda

I do not assume we should use that version off the shelf. It was made
for a special reason and limited size. Writing first the bootloader and
then the partition /dev/sda1 from a tarball should do it within a short
script. The host name and user name are easily fixed with a button on
the desktop after installation (let the original user be the admin and
make a new one). A button would be the solution for the proprietary
software too, for graphics as well as for multimedia.

I don't have it but I could write that script, there is no need for
advanced programming languages if text mode is accepted. But today it
would imply a 2GB USB drive.

I have not learned how to make the iso for a boot CD. I know of
Remastersys, maybe it still works, but I'm sure Canonical has better
tools. So returning to the first idea about a batch mode: Maybe it would
be fairly simple to add a one-button mode to the alternate installer or
the mini.iso wizard shell (to set all the other

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] installing Lubuntu in less than 100 seconds

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Ali,

But it is much *simpler* than today's installers. My installer is like a
bicycle, and the other installers like aeroplanes with the cockpit full
of fancy options, and some of them eat a lot of memory.

But it is not beautiful yet. If someone dresses it up with a simple
graphical interface, it might be like YannBuntu's Boot-Repair script,
but probably slightly simpler.

I think we need a simple and robust engine. Then there are many people
who like to make nice graphical user interfaces, but rememeber that such
things eat memory. Maybe a good solution might be to run it from a
minimal text based installed system created from the mini iso. It could
be an extremely simple installer (simpler than Windows self-installing
exe files).

But of course, somehow it must be put onto the live CD/DVD/USB drive,
and that might be the hardest step for the newbie, unless there are
prepared media.

I remember the first time I made a boot CD from a Ghost diskette. I
could hardly think it would work. And some years later, all the
complicated steps to make a Bart PE CD and later on USB drive.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-06-25 17:39, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> Hello Nio,
> 
> Thank you for the time and effort you are contributing to our community
> since you joined us until now. I'm really, really, really glad to have
> someone like you among us. We do need more people like you ;)
> 
> If you don't mind, I'd like to share my opinion.
> 
> This is all great and nice (without going deep in technical details) but
> I'm afraid we are missing a very important note.
> 
> Those users are Fresh New Beginners Users that most likely never ever
> heard or seen or used Linux in their entire life. If they have, they
> wouldn't still use Windows XP and will still use it until May, 2014 :)
> 
> So, these approaches may find their place among us as average and above
> average Linux/Lubuntu Users but IMHO, and hope you don't get me wrong,
> this is too much for them. 
> 
> We need to make the migration process as easy as piece cake. 
> Any further technical step, they will be lost :P :D
> 
> Anyway, I promise you that once I will have the time (not sure when? :(
> ) I will give that a test or maybe it is better we find someone who is
> new to Linux and give him/her this. Whatever feedback will come, it will
> help us to know whether they will be happy or not :D
> 
> Please don't take my comment as anything negative. I do love the energy
> you are showing but I'd like also to be on the same page. 
> KISS = Keep It Simple and Short.
> 
> This is the success key in our holy mission :D
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I think the end of life of Windows XP is a great opportunity for
> Lubuntu, and I really hope the Lubuntu community will be happy receiving
> [many] new people.
> 
> Will they be happy installing Lubuntu in less than 100 seconds?
> 
> - Installing in a simple and straight-forward way.
> - Not yet polished, but simple from the ground.
> 
> I was kind of frustrated, that in order to succeed with low RAM, most if
> not all degrees of freedom are lost, and yet the [graphical desktop]
> installer feels quite unstable. Yes, I admit that is is much better than
> before with zRAM, but anyway, if there are no degrees of freedom you
> might as well run a simple deterministic shell-script.
> 
> So I made almost a one-button installer (there are a few yes-no
> questions, and a simple cli selector to make it easier to find the
> correct target drive). This installer is run from a 'grub-n-iso-swap'
> system from
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grub-n-iso
> 
> I installed a system from a USB 3 pendrive to a USB 3 HDD in less than 1
> minute and 40 seconds (including answering those questions). Here are
> the computer specs.
> 
> http://www.toshiba.se/laptops/satellite-pro/c850/satellite-pro-c850-19w/
> 
> I hope that it will work well also with old computers, where the
> standard installers tend to be slow.
> 
> I created the system on the IDE hard drive of my old AMD Athon XP, and
> made the tarball from it, so it was ported across time and
> manufacturer's barriers without any problems.
> 
> I think this way might be easy enough for Windows XP users.
> 
> The script does the following main tasks.
> 
> 1. Helps selecting the correct drive with some logic and simple command
> line tools.
> 
> 2. Unmounts and swaps off.
> 
> 2. Wipes the first megabyte with dd.
> 
> 3. Creates tw

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] The Story of Lubuntu

[Nio Wiklund]

This is a good description (but more specs than story).

I have one small detail: the lifetime is only 9 months of 13.04, I don't
know about 13.10, while it is still 18 months for 12.10-

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-06-26 20:53, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> *Part 1*
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
> 
> The objective of the Lubuntu project is to create a variant of Ubuntu
> that is lighter, less resource hungry and more energy-efficient by using
> lightweight applications and LXDE, The Lightweight X11 Desktop
> Environment, as its default GUI.
> 
> Lubuntu is targeted at PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware
> that, in most cases, just don't have enough resources for all the bells
> and whistles of the "full-featured" mainstream distributions. Members of
> the team take care of LXDE and other packages that are part of Lubuntu.
> Lubuntu received official recognition as a formal member of the Ubuntu
> family, commencing with Lubuntu 11.10.
> 
> 
> *Part 2*
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements
> 
> (Lubuntu 13.04)
> 
> We have done many tests and we've found out that Lubuntu can be
> installed on a Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MB of RAM, but such
> a system would not perform well enough for daily use.
> 
> With 256MB - 384MB of RAM, the performance will be better and the system
> will be more usable.
> 
> With 512MB of RAM, you don't need to worry much.
> 
> The default "Desktop" installer requires 384-800 MB of RAM (depending on
> selected options.) If you have problems, please use the "Alternate"
> installer.
> 
> *Part 3*
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Lubuntu_VS_Ubuntu
> 
> Both Lubuntu and Ubuntu share Two Major Important Things:
> 
> Same Core System
> Same Repositories
> 
> Lubuntu and Ubuntu belong to the same family and talking about each as
> totally different two systems is not correct since they have some things
> in common. Thus, we use the same Forum Area and share many Wiki Pages.
> 
> The differences between Lubuntu and Ubuntu are:
> 
> Different DE - Lubuntu uses LXDE while Ubuntu uses Unity as the default DE.
> 
> Different Default Applications
> 
> Lubuntu 12.04 is not an LTS (5 years support), but a standard release
> that is supported for 18 months (if you would like to change this please
> feel free to contact the developers to offer assistance in this area).

It is only 9 months now.

> Other than that, they are the same. The DE is what makes Lubuntu a
> lightweight OS, and of course the selected applications too because we
> make sure to use the lightest applications which are not resource hungry.
> 
> *End of Story*
> 
> What is the point of the above?
> 
>  1. If you disagree about any of the above points, please speak up :)
>  2. Having all the above said, please understand that Lubuntu is mainly
> for Old Machines[1] but can also be installed on New Ones.
>  3. Having all the above said, please understand that Lubuntu can not be
> installed on ALL kind of machines and hardware. There are limits.
>  4. Lubuntu Graphical Installer (Lubuntu Desktop ISO), as per our so
> many tests previously and recently, can not go under 256MB of RAM.
>  5. In order to install Lubuntu on machine with less than 256MB of RAM,
> please understand you need to go for either Lubuntu Alternate ISO or
> Ubuntu Mini ISO.
>  6. Please understand Lubuntu can be installed (case to case - rarely)
> on a machine with 64MB of RAM [2] and please understand, that system
> will not be usable at all.
>  7. If you are looking for the 'Minimum Prefect System Requirement' for
> Lubuntu, 512MB RAM is what you need to consider. With 512MB RAM, you
> can run almost anything and everything with less headache.
>  8. If you have 256MB RAM - 512MB RAM, you can use your system but don't
> expect a fast lightening system.
>  9. Please, do not evaluate Lubuntu System Requirement based on booting
> up the machine, logging to the desktop and leave the system idle and
> watch Conky, System Monitor, htop, top, or whatever tool you will
> use to check how much RAM the system is currently using. Lubuntu is
> an Operating System that will be used to perform certain tasks like:
> Browsing, Music, Videos, etc. So, judging Lubuntu from what RAM it
> will use while it is idle and does absolutely nothing, this is not
> correct at all.
> 10. Please understand, each Hardware may work differently with Lubuntu.
> IDE HDD is slower than SATA and SATA is slower than SDD. RAM has
> different speed. CPUs. Graphics Card. If Lubuntu will be installed
> on most of the hardware/machines, it may not on others.
> 11. No system is prefect, hence Lubuntu is not prefect.
> 12. Lubuntu is a Linux System and Linux is not Windows.
> 13. Lubuntu Team is active, powerful, etc but please understand we have
> very few developers and they do have Real Life and so much to deal
> with. Above all, each and every member of Lubuntu are do

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Start Ubuntu]Need to create different kind of sessions on LightDM to reach more users

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-06-29 00:14, Federico Leoni wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I'm Federico, an 41 y.o. Italian guy who's living in Brasil and a proud
> linux user since 2006, when I've started to use Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake
> over WindowsXP.
> Many years after I'm still use *buntu distro but just this year I fallen
> in love with Lubuntu and now I'm spreading the word.
> 
> Ali, don't know if is a "start ubuntu" related argument or if is better
> write directly on ubuntuforum. You decide.
> 
> Last year I've started a business here in Brasil and I'm offering
> Lubuntu as a solution for home use and for small offices, but I'm losing
> customers because of the standard interface.
> Some users asked me for an OSX style, others for a Windows7 style.
> Please don't underestimate this aspect, we can reach many more users in
> this way, even if with more powerful computers, and is very important
> for who would migrate. Eye candy is a good thing too. 
> Using Cairo Dock (more OSX style) or Dockbarx (for W7), both with
> Compton enabled, even with some glitches and some specific themes I did
> the job. 
> TThings starts to be complicated when I tried to create my custom
> session beside the exixting one for the "standard" Lubuntu. I mean, I
> know I need to create sessions in /usr/share/xsessions/ to see them on
> LightDM, for example I create a new session called LubuntuCMP.desktop
> based on Lubuntu.desktop already present on the folder. This is the content:
> 
> [Desktop Entry]
> # The names/descriptions should really be better
> Name=LubuntuCMP
> Comment=Lubuntu - Lightweight X11 desktop environment based on LXDE
> Exec=/usr/bin/startlubuntucmp
> # Icon=
> Type=Application
> 
> Then I created my personal /usr/bin/startlubuntucmp pointing to a
> session folder called LubuntuCMP. Worked, I can set a theme for icons
> and windows editing the desktop.conf file but I can't change the
> position of the panel without modify it on other sessions, nor I can get
> autostart file to work. Compton and the specific dock simply doesn't
> start. Here an help would be much appreciated because I think there is
> another configuration file.
> Then finally I'll start to think how to create my custom lubuntu CD.
> Before someone ask: no, I'm not asking money for this nor I'll change
> the name of the disto, it's just a custom setup to help me in my job.
> I'm ready to discuss about it in more detailed way with anyone interested.
> 
> Thanks, 
>  
> F.
> 
> 
Hi Federico,

I wish you good luck with your business in Brasil offering Lubuntu as a
solution for home use and for small offices :-)

If you answer to a couple of questions it might be easier to help.

- Do you install Lubuntu into computers, that are already owned by the
customers, or do you sell computers with Lubuntu (your tweaked version)
installed?

- In each case, how much horsepower is there in the computer? I mean,
are the computers old with slow CPU or low RAM, or new? (Without knowing
your answer I think it is OK to install an Ubuntu flavour with more eye
candy into a newer computer: Xubuntu, Ubuntu with Unity or Kubuntu. It
is 'within the family'.)

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Start Ubuntu]Need to create different kind of sessions on LightDM to reach more users

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi again Federico,

I know more about your business now and hope these tips will help you.

A. I have no experience in creating new sessions, so you need the advice
from someone else about that.

B. Standard Lubuntu session

I think it is easier to tweak the standard Lubuntu session and use that
also for your customers.

1. Remastersys

I think Remastersys has stopped developing, but there is some new
project taking over. That might not be mature yet, but you can try with
the newest released version of Remastersys, to make your custom Lubuntu
to distribute.

2. Alternatives

But there are also other alternatives. I think it is easy and
straight-forward to keep one instance of Lubuntu for development, so you
have no personal files on it. Then this one can be imaged and
transferred 'directly' to a target computer without making an iso file.

The reason why this works is that the Ubuntu engine under the hood is
really modern and smart (and different from Windows). It selects drivers
(except proprietary ones) at boot time and it configures the network at
boot time too, at least for the desktop versions. So an installed
instance of any Ubuntu family flavour is as portable as the
corresponding live CD or USB installer. You can carry it in a USB drive
in your pocket.

2.a. Cloning

The HDDs may have different sizes. It is possible to clone to the same
size or bigger, and use gparted afterwards to start using the extra
space, if any.

This should be straight-forward with either dd or Clonezilla. dd is very
powerful, but is nick-named 'disk destroyer', because it is risky.
Clonezilla is smarter, and copies only used space on the drive. But I
think it skips the swap partition, you need to make that afterwards with
gparted, and make the UUID match in /etc/fstab.

2.b. One Button Installer

If a computer can boot from USB, there is also the alternative to use a
new installer, that I am developing now, the One Button Installer. It is
made to be extremely simple to use. It makes two partitions, one for the
root file system and one for swap. And it expands a tarball of the
system you want to install into the newly made file system. Reboot, and
you are up and running. With this method you can install also to a
smaller HDD, and you need not use gparted afterwards.

So what you need to do yourself in this case, is to make a tarball of
the system you have tweaked (the instance of Lubuntu for development, so
you have no personal files on it). From the One Button Installer, exit
to the bash shell, mount your drive with Lubuntu onto /mnt and run

cd /mnt
sudo tar -cvzf /home/$USER/ball.tar.gz .

(I think, took it from memory). You may want to run without v (verbose),
and you may want to write the tarball directly to another drive, not the
boot drive of the One Button Installer. The space and dot at the end of
the command line are important, because they decide the source of the
tarball to make the path relative.

Finally you need to change the name of the tarball or the variable
'tarball' at the beginning of the script file 'mktst' to match.

You can keep several versions of your tweaked system as tarballs.

3. Making individuals

If several computers are to be run in the same LAN, you should create
individual computer names (in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname). The
original user can be the administrator's account, and new user accounts
can be created...

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-06-29 17:43, Federico Leoni wrote:
> Hi Nio,
> Thanks for your reply.
> Normally I don't sell PC,  I work with customers device and a standard
> Lubuntu.
> The average age of computers is over 7 year, Pentium4 or Pentium D
> normally, with 512mb ram. One of my services is to powerup this
> computers finding used parts (or new one if not avaiables) to the
> maximum possible to gain more horsepower. Again is not for money, it's a
> mission! ;-)
> In this situation Lubuntu is the best choice, I know I could use
> Ubuntu/Kubuntu for a more eyecandy experience, but Lubuntu as the
> advantage to be very light and with a very good level of configuration.
> So I will stick with this flavor even if with some issue like the one
> with samba share on pcmanfm (
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1174571 ) but,
> you know, Gigolo is your friend! :-)
> Think on it: different customizations using a very light composite
> manager let it have a good interface with minimum efforts. Let me be
> clear: I don't want Compton on our distro obviously,  Lubuntu target is
> not eyecandy, is speed and quality.
> But... I'm still using my old 2002 notebook, a Dell C400 (P3 866mhz /
> 768mb ram) to use Lubuntu! Need to use an old kernel due to a bug with
> Intel xorg package ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1186800 ) but I can
> run it smoothly.
> And I'm really happy with it. :-)
> 
> F.
> 
> On 2013-06-29 00:14, Federico Leoni wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I'm Federico, an 41 y.o. Italian guy who's living in Brasil and a proud
>> linux user since 2006, when I've

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] DE customization

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi,

Maybe this link to ronniew's Ubuntu Forum thread, will help you with
'prettier Lubuntu'.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2125764

ronniew made LXLE and keeps it running.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-06-30 02:46, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
> On 06/29/2013 04:39 PM, Federico Leoni wrote:
> 
>> When I wrote "... nor I can get autostart file to work" I meant the
>> autostart file (located in 
>> /home/effe/.config/lxsession/LubuntuCMP/autostart) doesn't start 
>> programs inserted with  @ like on the other file on Lubuntu folder.
>> In fact, this is the SAME file copied.
> 
> OK, but there are a lot of places for an lxsession autostart file to
> exist, so it's necessary to state which one, if you want anyone else to
> be able to do anything useful, such as duplicate the issue in order to
> resolve it.
> 
> The ~/.config/lxsession/*/autostart files are intended for individual
> user overrides of, or additions to, the system-wide defaults.  So you
> would not really want to use that location for a new session type, which
> could be used by many users on one machine.  I think you want to use
> 
>   /etc/xdg/lxsession/LubuntuCMP/autostart
> 
> or similar.  But IMO anyone creating new sessions for commercial use
> which they will then need to support, should already know this :)
> 
>> As already told I'm not new to linux but for sure I need to learn
>> more. You right, I'm doing it for business purpouse, is for that
>> reason I join this group starting to ask for help. If you don't think
>> is the right place I'll humbly stop writing here and start asking on
>> forums.
> 
> As long as the work you do is shared, and made publically available
> under appropriate open source licences, for me there's no direct issue
> or problem with it being "for business".  However, that
> business-oriented goal requires a high level of knowledge, and ability
> to offer good in depth technical support to your paying clients.
> Getting to that point can take a long time, as well as the willingness
> to learn.  I've been using Linux since 1992, running Internet-facing
> servers on Linux since 1994 :)
> 
> It gets Lubuntu and Linux as a whole a "bad name" when someone promotes
> its use in a business environment, businesses believe them and pay for
> help getting started, etc. -- and then the Linux promoter cannot support
> it fully when the business has critical time-sensitive issues!  My guess
> is that you are at least tens of hours of technical work and learning
> away from being able to confidently offer the appropriate level of
> support for business users for these customized Lubuntu desktops.
> 
> So, until then, I would suggest you develop your customizations of the
> Lubuntu DE "out in the open", as part of the existing Lubuntu community,
> putting the info you learn on a public wiki page as you go, so we can
> all benefit from that.  Start out doing it more "for fun" or "to improve
> Lubuntu".  There is no need to wait until it is all "perfect" and ready
> to be sold or used in a consulting business to clearly document (a) what
> you are trying to do, and (b) the pieces of those goals you have already
> accomplished and (c) exactly how you got there.
> 
>> But let me be clear, I want to understand, I'm not looking for a
>> simple solution offered by others.
> 
> OK.  man lxsession (oops there isn't one, lxsession --help !), man
> lxpanel, man Xsession, man Xsession.options, man dbus-launch, read
> /usr/bin/startlubuntu in detail, read the scripts under
> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ and the files under /etc/xdg/ etc. etc.  Read the
> relevant specs at http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/ .  The
> information you need is already right there on your machine, for the
> most part.
> 
>> When I'll have achieved a good result)I'll happily share with you, 
>> others people (is there a group involved? ) and I create a Wiki,
>> trust me.
> 
> Just start a wiki page on wiki.ubuntu.com now, and post to lubuntu-users
> about it occasionally.  No need to wait for "a good result".  My script
> already creates a working additional session type.  Add enhancements to
> it, and you'll end up with a good way to repeatable perform the
> customizations you think are valuable to others.  Make your improved
> script(s) available so others can use them and modify them too.  For
> example, I *think* lxpanel might default to looking for system-wide
> profiles under /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/* but I am not sure... if you
> can make that work, then there is no need for the per user creation of
> lxpanel configuration files and directories under ~/.config/lxpanel that
> my script currently does.  It's just a quick hack to demonstrate that
> setting up a new session type is not *that* complex.
> 
> There are others on the lubuntu-users mailing list who have suggested
> that making "prettier" desktops for Lubuntu would attract more users.  I
> am trying to remember who I talked to about this recently, and failing!
>  It's not an area of parti

Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Wish you all the best :)

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-07-07 20:04, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Time to find a new challenge.
> 
> Ownership of teams, pages, groups, etc will be transferred to Phill
> Whiteside so you can contact him if you would like to take over.
> 
> Full List is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad
> 
> Thank you!
> Ali 
> 
> 
Dear Ali,

When it comes to such decisions, you are on your own. But let me tell
you, that you have done a lot to increase the vitality of the Lubuntu
community.

I understand that you want to decrease your activities, and that it is
hard to do that without closing down to zero, at least for a while. But
later on it might be possible to come back at a lower and more casual
level, which would be possible to do alongside with the other parts of
your life, 'your real life'.

I wish you the very best,

Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Epic Fail, Microsoft!

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-07-12 19:58, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data
> 
> *Please, NO politics talk over here* :D
> 
> I'm sharing this with you so that we can use this as a tool in our
> campaign for Start Ubuntu!
> 
> I have to start looking for an alternative for Skype. Not sure yet where
> to start looking?!
> 
> Hope this will be a huge slap on their faces and the whole world will
> realize it is time to forsake Windows.
> 
> 
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> "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> 
> *Best Regards,*
> *amjjawad *
> *Start Ubuntu
> *
> *My Own Business *
> 
> 
> 
Lars Noodén has suggested alternatives on the Ubuntu Forums.

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[Lubuntu-comms] Fwd: The session selector and flag symbol next to it are borked the live session

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

If you want Lubuntu Saucy to work in your language, please check now
that is works for you. I have found new problems at the log in screen.

If you need high contrast or big fonts, please check that too.

In the live session the user is 'lubuntu' and the password is blank
(zero length password).

There were related bugs in installed systems in the first Alpha-2 build,
but those bugs are gone in the second Alpha-2 build, dated Jul 23 2013.

Best regards
Nio

 Original Message 
Subject: The session selector and flag symbol next to it are borked the
live session
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:15:33 +0200
From: Nio Wiklund 
To: Phill Whiteside ,  Julien Lavergne 
CC: lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net 

Hi again, I continue reporting bugs concerning the *live* session ...

See the screenshots in my Google drive (too big for the community mail)

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B46yhFQuJvfPYl8waGdMSHJCN1E&usp=sharing

I'm running Lubuntu Saucy Alpha 2 desktop 32-bit live in a real
computer and in vbox (the screenshots are from vbox, but it is the same
in the real computer).

The session selector is completely dead in the installed Lubuntu, but
not in the current daily built: There is no [easy] way to start the Qt
session, it jumps to a Lubuntu session even when I mark QT session.

The flag symbol next to it is not dead, but defaults to Bangla, and
there is no Swedish (even though I selected Swedish at the first (or
pre) syslinux screen), but the human symbol and poweroff symbols work.
The human symbol can cause high contrast, but only in the login screen.
I cannot get big fonts at all.

Should I file a bug? In that case against which package?

Best regards
Nio






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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Saucy Salamander 'Box'

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi,

The artwork is very nice, except the mixture of blue and green in the
wallpaper. The pattern is OK, I'd vote for 'a' (the left picture), but
please change it to something more comfortable for the eyes.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-07-27 20:11, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> the vote will be held once people have chance to post up their
> proposals. There is limited space on the ISO, but the idea has always
> been to ship 5 on the image as chosen by lubunuteers and have the others
> available to download.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> On 27 July 2013 03:03, David Yentzen  > wrote:
> 
> On 07/24/2013 05:25 PM, Kristopher Maguire wrote:
>> Good evening folks, 
>>
>> Just in case anyone has missed, the artwork team has released the
>> latest concept theme, 'Box' for 
>> Saucy Salamander 13.10. I personally think it looks awesome. Any
>> idea's, feedback and suggestions can
>> be passed on to Rafael (TL of the team). 
>>
>> View the theme
>> - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Saucy/
>>
>>
>> Best Regards, 
>>
>>
>> *Kristopher Maguire.*
>> *Lubuntu Communications Team Leader.*
>> *https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms
>> *
>> *https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KristopherMaguire*
>>
> 
> Sorry to have been out of pocket this past week, I have taken a look
> at the theme linked in the email.  Will this be the default theme
> for Saucy?The wallpaper choice is nice, although it is the first
> thing I discard in place of my own.  Will there be any other
> wallpapers choices included?
> Very nice work with the buttons and I have to say the icon theme is
> truly aesthetically pleasing.  Great Job. 
> Rafael, please pass along to the artwork team my thanks for all the
> hard work.  I really like the icon theme!
> 
> Kristopher,
>   As the release date approaches is the Comms Team planning a social
> media exposure campaign?  I know I missed the monthly so apologies
> if this was a discussed and settled matter.
>  
> 
> Best,
> David Yentzen
> Lubuntu Comms Team
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[Lubuntu-comms] Lubuntu-fake-PAE Saucy Alpha-2 installed system

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi,

An experimental alpha-2 version of Lubuntu Saucy can be installed on a
drive with at least 4 GB. The drive is rather small, but there is enough
space to test Saucy on your computer.

I have made a compressed image for Lubuntu-fake-PAE Saucy Alpha-2
installed system, that can be downloaded and tested in any standard
intel/amd computer, that can run 32-bit code (including Celeron M and
Pentium M, but excluding pre Pentium 2 CPUs and UEFI systems).

It can be downloaded according to this wiki page

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstalledSystemFakePAE

and installed (running with superuser privileges)

zcat dd_saucy-a2-installed-system_4GB.img.gz | dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdx

The Saucy alpha-2 version has fake-PAE and htop, and a simpler
touchpad-toggle TT. It is too early to get touchpad-indicator and
ubuntu-tweak. As long as there is free space, it is possible to
update/upgrade the system. It will be a rough ride until the official
release, but you can always re-install from the compressed image file.

See the attached screenshot.

Please check if you also have the following bugs:

1. The standard hotkeys PrintScreen and alt+PrintScreen for screenshots
do not work, but the terminal command scrot works.

2. Only a few of the alternatives at the top right corner in the log in
work. Most of them are 'dead' now (some of those worked a few days ago).

-o-

If you try it, let me know the result, good or bad! I'm happy to read
about good results, but I learn more from the bad ones ;-)

Best regards
Nio
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Lubuntu scores 3 out of 5 in evaluation of five Ubuntu derivatives

[Nio Wiklund]

An iso file can be bigger, and used for DVD or USB drives, which works
for most computers except the oldest ones.

On 2013-08-07 21:09, Jop wrote:
> Maybe having PlayOnLinux preinstalled by default is something newbies
> (Especially the people we are targeting with Start Ubuntu: Windows XP
> users!) will really appreciate.
> Don't know if it fits on the LiveCD however.
> I will post this as a Lubuntu Brainstorming idea.
> 
> Jop
> www.jopv.net 
> 
> Op 6 aug. 2013 om 12:11 AM heeft David Yentzen  > het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> So 3/5 is good considering Techradar's apparent target audience, and
>> not surprised that Zorin wins top marks.  That said, and always with
>> an eye toward improvement, we should keep careful account of reasoned
>> and reasonable criticisms as trends across reviews will help us
>> improve future releases.  Zorin's target is much more narrow than
>> Lubuntu's. 
>>   Having fresh eyes to Lubuntu, an area that I think needs maturing
>> and refinement is better defining Lubuntu's target and purpose /and
>> /more effectively communicating that both to the Linux community and
>> non-Linux community. 
>>
>> Best,
>> David Yentzen
>> https://launchpad.net/~dbyentzen 
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Federico Leoni > > wrote:
>>
>> 2013/8/5 Lars Noodén > >:
>> > TechRadar has "Ubuntu derivatives: 5 of the best Ubuntu-based
>> distros"
>> > where Lubuntu is evaluated.  It gets a total score of 3 out of 5:
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/ubuntu-derivatives-5-of-the-best-ubuntu-based-distros-1170314
>> >
>> > Not bad, but not great either.  There is room for improvement.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > /Lars
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>> For sure there is always room for improvement for Lubuntu but I can't
>> consider ZorinOS as the best distro as Techradar's editor wrote.
>> I mean, they are comparing distribution aimed for two completely
>> different targets. For me and for the old hardware I have Gnome, Unity
>> or KDE are inadequate.
>> And why there is not a XFCE distro in the list?
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] About the New Lubuntu Wiki and Docs Leader

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-08-19 17:25, Sergio Meneses wrote:
> Greetings guys!
> 
> 
> 
> I am the new leader of the Lubuntu Wiki and Docs team [1] and I wan to
> start this email sharing some information about myself:
> 
> My name is Sergio Andrés Meneses, I am 25 years old, I am from Cúcuta -
> Colombia and I work with the Ubuntu Colombia team, Ubuntu-Quality team
> and the LocoCouncil. In my projects about documentation is the new
> design of the Ubuntu-Friendly wiki page[2] but you can see more skills
> on my wiki-page [3] ( and more information about me )
> 
> What do I have on mind for the team?
> 
> I have been checking our pages[4] and I saw we have to re-structure some
> of them, maybe change icons, make some tables better... in few words:
> make them more friendly.
> 
> Ok... and What now? I'm going to look all our wikis and general
> documentation to do a compilation of the wiki-pages that we have to work
> first and share ideas in vUDS if we have the chance!
> And guys if you have advices, ideas, thoughts... please let me know :D
> 
> 
> Regards.
> 
> [1] https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs
> 
> [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFriendly
> [3] https://launchpad.net/~sergiomeneses
> 
> [4] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationTeam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sergio Meneses
> 
> 
Welcome Sergio,

If there are some particular pages, that you want to re-structure,
please let us know :-)

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-comms] alternatives at Lubuntu 12.04 end of life

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

Lubuntu 12.04 will soon reach its end of life. I would try alternatives
in the following order.


1. Lubuntu 13.04 and Lubuntu 13.10 (to be released very close to 12.04
end of life). Lubuntu 13.10 will have zRAM, which is good for low RAM.
It is developing well, several bugs of 13.04 are fixed, and I think it
will be a nice experience. Both of these versions can run with fake-PAE
for Celeron M and Pentium M computers.


2. Ubuntu 12.04 versions/derivatives with LTS until April 2017

If some important driver for your computer is missing in 13.04 and
13.10, because that hardware has been abandoned by newer Ubuntu
versions, the best alternatives are

- LXLE by ronniew alias Mr Wislr

http://lxle.net/index.php?id=articles&post=lxle-paradigm-goes-final-with-12043-update
http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxle/files/Current%20Release/
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2125764&page=8&p=12762338#post12762338

and

- PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks by kansasnoob alias Lance

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1966370


3. Other alternatives with security updates

- Xubuntu is also good but has only long time support until April 2015.

- Lubuntu 12.10 has end of life in April 2014, at the same time as the
next long time support version, Lubuntu 14.04.


4. A possible alternative, where you will be on your own

You can keep Lubuntu 12.04 although it will be only partially supported.
You will be on your own, trying to keep your software up to date. This
is a security issue and there is also a small risk that some not updated
package will break due to updates of other packages after the end of
life of Lubuntu 12.04. See this link

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1954702&p=11829724#post11829724


*. Backup your system. Try some versions live if possible (even if you
would need the alternate iso to install later on). And when you have
found your favourite, go ahead and install it. An alternative is to try
an 'installed system on a USB drive' according to this link.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstalledSystemFakePAE


Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] alternatives at Lubuntu 12.04 end of life

[Nio Wiklund]

[Replying at the end]

On 2013-08-20 10:06, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Nio Wiklund  <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> Lubuntu 12.04 will soon reach its end of life. I would try alternatives
> in the following order.
> 
> 
> 1. Lubuntu 13.04 and Lubuntu 13.10 (to be released very close to 12.04
> end of life). Lubuntu 13.10 will have zRAM, which is good for low RAM.
> It is developing well, several bugs of 13.04 are fixed, and I think it
> will be a nice experience. Both of these versions can run with fake-PAE
> for Celeron M and Pentium M computers.
> 
> 
> 2. Ubuntu 12.04 versions/derivatives with LTS until April 2017
> 
> If some important driver for your computer is missing in 13.04 and
> 13.10, because that hardware has been abandoned by newer Ubuntu
> versions, the best alternatives are
> 
> - LXLE by ronniew alias Mr Wislr
> 
> 
> http://lxle.net/index.php?id=articles&post=lxle-paradigm-goes-final-with-12043-update
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxle/files/Current%20Release/
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2125764&page=8&p=12762338#post12762338
> 
> and
> 
> - PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks by kansasnoob alias Lance
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1966370
> 
> 
> 3. Other alternatives with security updates
> 
> - Xubuntu is also good but has only long time support until April 2015.
> 
> - Lubuntu 12.10 has end of life in April 2014, at the same time as the
> next long time support version, Lubuntu 14.04.
> 
> 
> 4. A possible alternative, where you will be on your own
> 
> You can keep Lubuntu 12.04 although it will be only partially supported.
> You will be on your own, trying to keep your software up to date. This
> is a security issue and there is also a small risk that some not updated
> package will break due to updates of other packages after the end of
> life of Lubuntu 12.04. See this link
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1954702&p=11829724#post11829724
> 
> 
> *. Backup your system. Try some versions live if possible (even if you
> would need the alternate iso to install later on). And when you have
> found your favourite, go ahead and install it. An alternative is to try
> an 'installed system on a USB drive' according to this link.
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstalledSystemFakePAE
> 
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Nio,
> 
> Thank you for your email :)
> 
> Just to highlight a very important point: LXLE is NO longer Lubuntu LTS
> version. Check the other thread Phill and I have sent.
> 
> Those who want to use LXLE, they need to understand it is NOT Lubuntu
> with LTS. It is a community spin that is based on Ubuntu/Lubuntu. 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
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> *Best Regards,
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> Brainstorming <https://www.facebook.com/groups/352004991569676/> -
> Mubuntu
> <http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2013/07/draft-mubuntu-simple-minimal-system.html>
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> <http://ubuntugnome.org/> - Xubuntu <http://xubuntu.org/> - Peppermint
> <http://peppermintos.com/about/> 
> 
> 

Hi Ali,

I just read up on the controversy about the LXLE announcement about 12.04.3.

It is not Lubuntu, but it is derived from Ubuntu 12.04, and I think it
is a distro with many good qualities. I realize that LXLE is responsible
for its long time support (that the people developing and maintaining it
'are on their own' to keep the software updated).

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] [Lubuntu-qa] [Lubuntu-brainstorming] [LXLE] LXLE Paradigm goes final with 12.04.3 update.

[Nio Wiklund]

Thank you, Ho Wan Chan :-)

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-08-20 10:12, Ho Wan Chan wrote:
> Hello Ali, Phill, Lubuntu Communications Team and Lubuntu users,
> 
> I had a chat with the LXLE developer in an publicly-accessible IRC
> channel. Here are the logs.
> 
> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6005597/
> 
> So, let's cool down now:)
> 
> Regards,
> Howard Chan (smartboyhw)
> Ubuntu Member
> 
> 
> 2013/8/20 Ho Wan Chan mailto:smartbo...@gmail.com>>
> 
> Hello Lubuntu Communications Team and Lubuntu users,
> 
> I have used the "Contact" link of LXLE's website to complain about
> such an early release. LXLE has obviously confused official release
> announcements by Ubuntu Release Team with lsb_release and
> DistroWatch information. The version number (12.04.3) confuses everyone.
> 
> Regards,
> Howard Chan (smartboyhw)
> Ubuntu Member
> 
> 
> 2013/8/20 Ali Linx (amjjawad)  >
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Phill Whiteside
> mailto:phi...@ubuntu.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 12,04.3 LTS goes into testing 22nd August? The testers are
> awaiting? I'm not too sure what you are aiming at? 
> 
> As you have removed things like lx-terminal and replaced it
> with different terminal system; it seems to me that lxle is
> no longer an attempt to keep lubuntu 12.04 active, but a
> whole new community re-spin based on lubuntu. Whilst we have
> no issues with community re spins, if you are taking the
> default parts of lubuntu out, it is no longer an lts attempt
> of lubuntu 12.04, but a community spin. As such, you should
> alter your description from being:
> lxle will support 12.04 as if it were an lubuntu LTS
> into:
> lxle will change lubuntu 12.04 as we see fit.
> 
> It is important that people using it know the difference.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> On 19 August 2013 23:42, Lxle Lubuntu
>  > wrote:
> 
> __
> Lxle Lubuntu posted in LXLE
> 
> 
> Lxle Lubuntu
> 
> 
>   
> Lxle Lubuntu
> 
> 
>   19 August 23:42
> 
> LXLE Paradigm goes final with 12.04.3 update.
> 
> Paradigm is a tentative attempt to create four different
> desktop paradigms for users to choose from once they
> start up their aging computers when using LXLE. Just
> because a computer may be aging shouldn't hinder your
> work flow.
> 
> LXLE paradigm is not an attempt to completely mimic
> other desktops features and functions but to provide a
> desktop scheme that is familiar to all different types
> of computer users whether your comfortable with Linux,
> Mac or Windows operating systems.
> 
> LXLE default programs are easy to understand once you
> understand the philosophy. 'If your going to save system
> resources with a light system, then you should spend
> those resources on more capable programs."
> 
> Read More...
> 
> 
> http://lxle.net/index.php?id=articles&post=lxle-paradigm-goes-final-with-12043-update
> 
> 
> Articles The LXLE Desktop...
> 
> 
> lxle.net
> 
> 
> 
> lxle articles lubuntu extra life extension
> 
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