Re: Distro recommendation
On 11/19/2017 9:54 AM, Shlomo Solomon wrote: I don't want to start a Distro war, but ... I've been on Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia for over 17 years, but from what I've read, there are quite a few problems with Mageia 6 (I'm still on 5), and it's really strange that it's been 2 years in the making. Mageia is maintained by Shlomi Fish and others. You probably should talk to him. I don't use it because I only have servers, and they don't have a oriented server distro. I definitely want to stay with KDE (never liked Gnome) and I really like how configurable Mageia is. I don't think this should be an issue, but my computer is fairly old (a 4 year old i5 Haswell CPU with 8 Gb). Does it run 64 bit code? Some of the distros dropped x86, I know Ubuntu did, but it came back with a "user group" provided sub distro. I've been thinking about Mint, Kubuntu or Fedora - any thoughts (or additional options)? Linux Mint was developed and maintained by a raving lunatic anti-semite. He demanded that his work had nothing to do with the IDF because it violently oppresses the Palestinian people. That is impossible, because many of the maintainers of all distros use code from Israel, and most of the people here serve milluim. He was eventually chastised to the point he claims he apologized, but if you can find his apologies, it was for setting off the Jews who control the world. You probably can't find them, as when he was called out on his slap in the face apologies, he deleted all the relevant blog postings. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Distro recommendation
I like to go with Fedora MATE spin as I find it resource friendly. and I use compiz as my window manager to have a very robust features and some eye candy features as well. Fedora move fast and have a short release cycle (6 month), so having to deal with new stuff each 6 month can be a burden for someone how just want his computer to work. in that case I'll recommend a distro which is based on Ubuntu LTS e,g Ubuntu MATE. MATE desktop dose not support HiDPI display yet, unlike KDE and Gnome3 but if you prefer to use KDE, both Fedoa and Ubuntu have a spin of it. there is also KDE neon which uses a stable base of the OS (Ubuntu LTS IIRC), and all the KDE stuff are coming directly from upstream (rolling) -- Rabin On 19 November 2017 at 09:54, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > I don't want to start a Distro war, but ... > > I've been on Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia for over 17 years, but from > what I've read, there are quite a few problems with Mageia 6 (I'm > still on 5), and it's really strange that it's been 2 years in the > making. > > So I'm thinking about abandoning ship. > > I definitely want to stay with KDE (never liked Gnome) and I really > like how configurable Mageia is. > > I don't think this should be an issue, but my computer is fairly old (a > 4 year old i5 Haswell CPU with 8 Gb). > > I've been thinking about Mint, Kubuntu or Fedora - any thoughts (or > additional options)? > > -- > Shlomo Solomon > http://the-solomons.net > Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Distro recommendation
Mint has dropped the KDE version. What about arch? On Nov 19, 2017 10:22, "Rabin Yasharzadehe" wrote: > I like to go with Fedora MATE spin as I find it resource friendly. > and I use compiz as my window manager to have a very robust features and > some eye candy features as well. > > Fedora move fast and have a short release cycle (6 month), > so having to deal with new stuff each 6 month can be a burden for someone > how just want his computer to work. > in that case I'll recommend a distro which is based on Ubuntu LTS e,g > Ubuntu MATE. > > MATE desktop dose not support HiDPI display yet, unlike KDE and Gnome3 > but if you prefer to use KDE, both Fedoa and Ubuntu have a spin of it. > > there is also KDE neon which uses a stable base of the OS (Ubuntu LTS > IIRC), > and all the KDE stuff are coming directly from upstream (rolling) > > > > > -- > Rabin > > On 19 November 2017 at 09:54, Shlomo Solomon > wrote: > >> I don't want to start a Distro war, but ... >> >> I've been on Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia for over 17 years, but from >> what I've read, there are quite a few problems with Mageia 6 (I'm >> still on 5), and it's really strange that it's been 2 years in the >> making. >> >> So I'm thinking about abandoning ship. >> >> I definitely want to stay with KDE (never liked Gnome) and I really >> like how configurable Mageia is. >> >> I don't think this should be an issue, but my computer is fairly old (a >> 4 year old i5 Haswell CPU with 8 Gb). >> >> I've been thinking about Mint, Kubuntu or Fedora - any thoughts (or >> additional options)? >> >> -- >> Shlomo Solomon >> http://the-solomons.net >> Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 >> >> ___ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Distro recommendation
Interesting info about Mint (and yes I checked - what you wrote is accurate). I don't think politics and software should mix, but NO WAY I'll even consider Mint now. :-) On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 10:18:47 +0200 Geoffrey Mendelson wrote: > Linux Mint was developed and maintained by a raving lunatic > anti-semite. He demanded that his work had nothing to do with the IDF > because it violently oppresses the Palestinian people. That is > impossible, because many of the maintainers of all distros use code > from Israel, and most of the people here serve milluim. > > He was eventually chastised to the point he claims he apologized, but > if you can find his apologies, it was for setting off the Jews who > control the world. You probably can't find them, as when he was > called out on his slap in the face apologies, he deleted all the > relevant blog postings. > > Geoff. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Distro recommendation
I'm more of a Gnome user and haven't really played with KDE since the days of KDE4 (I always felt it was very 'crowded'/'not calm' as opposed to gnome 2 back then, though when I just started Linux that was what I liked about KDE3 all the distractions) but: - Are you sure what you heard about the newer versions of Mageia is not due to the Plasma project (KDE)? In which case you may have the same issues no matter where you run. - There probably is no distro out there that can't run KDE, when people above write it was 'dropped' that just means that it's no longer supported/tested/customized by the distro but unless they are also completely autonomous in packaging/FS layout etc it will still be installable and probably even available through normal channels. - if you're open to Debian/Debian based you should check out Kubuntu or Debian itself (for desktop I always felt *buntu 'feels' more rounded) + *buntu has the LTS long-release cycles and the standard 6 month cycle, updating from version to version tends to be painless + Debian due to it's long release cycle can be pretty outdated unless you go into the rolling release versions (testing/unstable/experimental) which sometimes break. - if you want to stick with RPM based Fedora or SUSe should be nice (Fedora tends to be pretty bleeding edge) - If you are open to a more or less rolling release Arch or gentoo may be interesting to you. - Your hardware should be perfectly capable of handling any modern DE but if you do want lighter stuff you have XFCE4, MATE (gnome2) and LXDE are nice options. HTH, Eliyahu - אליהו 2017-11-19 10:43 GMT+02:00 Shlomo Solomon : > Interesting info about Mint (and yes I checked - what you wrote is > accurate). I don't think politics and software should mix, but NO WAY > I'll even consider Mint now. :-) > > > On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 10:18:47 +0200 > Geoffrey Mendelson wrote: > >> Linux Mint was developed and maintained by a raving lunatic >> anti-semite. He demanded that his work had nothing to do with the IDF >> because it violently oppresses the Palestinian people. That is >> impossible, because many of the maintainers of all distros use code >> from Israel, and most of the people here serve milluim. >> >> He was eventually chastised to the point he claims he apologized, but >> if you can find his apologies, it was for setting off the Jews who >> control the world. You probably can't find them, as when he was >> called out on his slap in the face apologies, he deleted all the >> relevant blog postings. >> >> Geoff. > > > > -- > Shlomo Solomon > http://the-solomons.net > Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Distro recommendation
On 11/19/2017 11:15 AM, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: + *buntu has the LTS long-release cycles and the standard 6 month cycle, updating from version to version tends to be painless The problem with Ubuntu's LTS, is as it gets older, they only do security updates, so it really is no longer useful. Eventually it gets to the point that the particular package you want to install manually won't go because it depends upon many libraries that are newer than what you have. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Distro recommendation
Hi Shlomo! On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > I don't want to start a Distro war, but ... > > I've been on Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia for over 17 years, but from > what I've read, there are quite a few problems with Mageia 6 (I'm > still on 5), and it's really strange that it's been 2 years in the > making. > > So I'm thinking about abandoning ship. > > Mageia 6 works well for many people. Its release was delayed due to some grave problems which we wanted to fix, and we did. What I suggest is that you try upgrading to mageia 6 (after doing a backup) and see if it is working well enough for you, and if not - possibly try a fresh install and only then make a switch. > I definitely want to stay with KDE (never liked Gnome) and I really > like how configurable Mageia is. > > I don't think this should be an issue, but my computer is fairly old (a > 4 year old i5 Haswell CPU with 8 Gb). > > I've been thinking about Mint, Kubuntu or Fedora - any thoughts (or > additional options)? > I use fedora 27 on my laptop and it is nice (but not perfect). One thing I dislike about ubuntu is the weird politically correctness they have on their IRC channels. Regarding mint there is https://www.facebook.com/groups/826292814153064/permalink/1497333690382303/ . Debian is another option to consider, and it has many derivatives. There is also openSUSE. > > -- > Shlomo Solomon > http://the-solomons.net > Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ You can never truly appreciate The Gilmore Girls until you've watched it in the original Klingon. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Distro recommendation
On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Shay Gover wrote: > Mint has dropped the KDE version. > > What about arch? > > Regarding Arch Linux, see https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg65850.html . > On Nov 19, 2017 10:22, "Rabin Yasharzadehe" wrote: > >> I like to go with Fedora MATE spin as I find it resource friendly. >> and I use compiz as my window manager to have a very robust features and >> some eye candy features as well. >> >> Fedora move fast and have a short release cycle (6 month), >> so having to deal with new stuff each 6 month can be a burden for someone >> how just want his computer to work. >> in that case I'll recommend a distro which is based on Ubuntu LTS e,g >> Ubuntu MATE. >> >> MATE desktop dose not support HiDPI display yet, unlike KDE and Gnome3 >> but if you prefer to use KDE, both Fedoa and Ubuntu have a spin of it. >> >> there is also KDE neon which uses a stable base of the OS (Ubuntu LTS >> IIRC), >> and all the KDE stuff are coming directly from upstream (rolling) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Rabin >> >> On 19 November 2017 at 09:54, Shlomo Solomon >> wrote: >> >>> I don't want to start a Distro war, but ... >>> >>> I've been on Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia for over 17 years, but from >>> what I've read, there are quite a few problems with Mageia 6 (I'm >>> still on 5), and it's really strange that it's been 2 years in the >>> making. >>> >>> So I'm thinking about abandoning ship. >>> >>> I definitely want to stay with KDE (never liked Gnome) and I really >>> like how configurable Mageia is. >>> >>> I don't think this should be an issue, but my computer is fairly old (a >>> 4 year old i5 Haswell CPU with 8 Gb). >>> >>> I've been thinking about Mint, Kubuntu or Fedora - any thoughts (or >>> additional options)? >>> >>> -- >>> Shlomo Solomon >>> http://the-solomons.net >>> Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 >>> >>> ___ >>> Linux-il mailing list >>> Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il >>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> >> > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ You can never truly appreciate The Gilmore Girls until you've watched it in the original Klingon. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
"antisemitic" Linux Mint [was: Re: Distro recommendation]
Off-topic: On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 10:18:47AM +0200, Geoffrey Mendelson wrote: > On 11/19/2017 9:54 AM, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > > > > I've been thinking about Mint, Kubuntu or Fedora - any thoughts (or > > additional options)? > > Linux Mint was developed and maintained by a raving lunatic anti-semite. He > demanded that his work had nothing to do with the IDF because it violently > oppresses the Palestinian people. That is impossible, because many of the > maintainers of all distros use code from Israel, and most of the people here > serve milluim. > > He was eventually chastised to the point he claims he apologized, but if you > can find his apologies, it was for setting off the Jews who control the > world. You probably can't find them, as when he was called out on his slap > in the face apologies, he deleted all the relevant blog postings. He made such an ill-informed decleration long ago (some 10 years ago?). If he tries to distance himself from Israel, he's not doing a very good job: the "Partners" page on linuxmint.com[1] clearly lists CompuLab, a long-time partner (they OEM the "mintBox") with an Israeli flag. [1] https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php Please don't continue spreading this mis-information. Clem made a mistake long ago. Let's move on. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "antisemitic" Linux Mint [was: Re: Distro recommendation]
While we're off-topic and discussing misinformation, it's important to note that being anti Israeli policies (military occupation of Palestine in this case) is not being anti-semitic. Some Zionists seem to be confused about the fact that it's possible to hold strong opinions against immoral and unjust actions taken by the state without those opinions being founded in racism. Of course if such racist claims were made directly that's definitely a problem. On 11/19/2017 01:28 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > Off-topic: > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 10:18:47AM +0200, Geoffrey Mendelson wrote: >> On 11/19/2017 9:54 AM, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > >> >> >>> I've been thinking about Mint, Kubuntu or Fedora - any thoughts (or >>> additional options)? >> >> Linux Mint was developed and maintained by a raving lunatic anti-semite. He >> demanded that his work had nothing to do with the IDF because it violently >> oppresses the Palestinian people. That is impossible, because many of the >> maintainers of all distros use code from Israel, and most of the people here >> serve milluim. >> >> He was eventually chastised to the point he claims he apologized, but if you >> can find his apologies, it was for setting off the Jews who control the >> world. You probably can't find them, as when he was called out on his slap >> in the face apologies, he deleted all the relevant blog postings. > > He made such an ill-informed decleration long ago (some 10 years ago?). > If he tries to distance himself from Israel, he's not doing a very good > job: the "Partners" page on linuxmint.com[1] clearly lists CompuLab, a > long-time partner (they OEM the "mintBox") with an Israeli flag. > > [1] https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php > > Please don't continue spreading this mis-information. Clem made a > mistake long ago. Let's move on. > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "antisemitic" Linux Mint [was: Re: Distro recommendation]
Hi all! On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Yuval Adam <_...@yuv.al> wrote: > While we're off-topic and discussing misinformation, it's important to > note that being anti Israeli policies (military occupation of Palestine > in this case) is not being anti-semitic. > > Some Zionists seem to be confused about the fact that it's possible to > hold strong opinions against immoral and unjust actions taken by the > state without those opinions being founded in racism. > > Of course if such racist claims were made directly that's definitely a > problem. > > just wanted to note that I agree in principle. Not every criticism of certain Israeli policies is anti-Semitic. I've written about it in the past here - http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/politics/define-zionism/ . > On 11/19/2017 01:28 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > Off-topic: > > > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 10:18:47AM +0200, Geoffrey Mendelson wrote: > >> On 11/19/2017 9:54 AM, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>> I've been thinking about Mint, Kubuntu or Fedora - any thoughts (or > >>> additional options)? > >> > >> Linux Mint was developed and maintained by a raving lunatic > anti-semite. He > >> demanded that his work had nothing to do with the IDF because it > violently > >> oppresses the Palestinian people. That is impossible, because many of > the > >> maintainers of all distros use code from Israel, and most of the people > here > >> serve milluim. > >> > >> He was eventually chastised to the point he claims he apologized, but > if you > >> can find his apologies, it was for setting off the Jews who control the > >> world. You probably can't find them, as when he was called out on his > slap > >> in the face apologies, he deleted all the relevant blog postings. > > > > He made such an ill-informed decleration long ago (some 10 years ago?). > > If he tries to distance himself from Israel, he's not doing a very good > > job: the "Partners" page on linuxmint.com[1] clearly lists CompuLab, a > > long-time partner (they OEM the "mintBox") with an Israeli flag. > > > > [1] https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php > > > > Please don't continue spreading this mis-information. Clem made a > > mistake long ago. Let's move on. > > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ You can never truly appreciate The Gilmore Girls until you've watched it in the original Klingon. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "antisemitic" Linux Mint [was: Re: Distro recommendation]
On 11/19/2017 4:15 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: just wanted to note that I agree in principle. Not every criticism of certain Israeli policies is anti-Semitic. I've written about it in the past here - http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/politics/define-zionism/ . so do I, in fact, I think it is reasonable to assume that no Israeli completely agrees with the government on all things. However if you can find his original "apology", there is no doubt that he was (is) an antisemite. I am paraphrasing here, but it was an apology for upsetting the Jews that rule the world (I think powers that be was the exact wording). He was very bitter about being censured. As for moving on, I have, on to another less political distro. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Distro recommendation
On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 09:54:42AM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > I don't want to start a Distro war, but ... > > I've been on Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia for over 17 years, but from > what I've read, there are quite a few problems with Mageia 6 (I'm > still on 5), and it's really strange that it's been 2 years in the > making. > > So I'm thinking about abandoning ship. > > I definitely want to stay with KDE (never liked Gnome) and I really > like how configurable Mageia is. > > I don't think this should be an issue, but my computer is fairly old (a > 4 year old i5 Haswell CPU with 8 Gb). > > I've been thinking about Mint, Kubuntu or Fedora - any thoughts (or > additional options)? > Another option I've heard good things about is KDE Neon. It's the latest KDE on top of Ubuntu LTS. I've recently switched from Debian to Guix after using it for more than 5 years. Currently there is work in Guix to get a working KDE desktop but there isn't yet. -- Efraim Flashner אפרים פלשנר GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Distro recommendation
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 09:54:42 +0200 Shlomo Solomon wrote: > I don't want to start a Distro war, but ... > > I've been on Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia for over 17 years, but from > what I've read, there are quite a few problems with Mageia 6 (I'm > still on 5), and it's really strange that it's been 2 years in the > making. > > So I'm thinking about abandoning ship. > > I definitely want to stay with KDE (never liked Gnome) and I really > like how configurable Mageia is. Have you considered other WMDEs (Window Manager/Desktop Environments)? Many excellent ones exist. > I don't think this should be an issue, but my computer is fairly old > (a 4 year old i5 Haswell CPU with 8 Gb). I have Void Linux running on my 2006 2GB RAM dualcore Acer laptop, using the LXDE WMDE, and except for starting programs, this thing's pretty snappy. Youtube on Firefox 57 runs without a stutter on a slow wifi. > I've been thinking about Mint, Kubuntu or Fedora - any thoughts (or > additional options)? Void Linux. Efficient, stable, easy to understand and administer without graphical config tools. By the way, whatever distro you get, you should install dmenu, make a wrapper script to change it to a vertical menu, and set an easy hotkey to it. Fastest way to run programs. HTH, SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Distro recommendation
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 10:18:47 +0200 Geoffrey Mendelson wrote: > Linux Mint was developed and maintained by a raving lunatic > anti-semite. He demanded that his work had nothing to do with the IDF > because it violently oppresses the Palestinian people. That is > impossible, because many of the maintainers of all distros use code > from Israel, and most of the people here serve milluim. > > He was eventually chastised to the point he claims he apologized, but > if you can find his apologies, it was for setting off the Jews who > control the world. You probably can't find them, as when he was > called out on his slap in the face apologies, he deleted all the > relevant blog postings. I'm proud to be one of the ones who called him out, first by private email, and then when blown off, publically. http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200908/200908.htm#_The_Politics_of_Free_Software:_Pet_predjudices SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "antisemitic" Linux Mint [was: Re: Distro recommendation]
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 18:15:37 +0200 Geoffrey Mendelson wrote: [very offtopic] > As for moving on, I have, on to another less political distro. > > Geoff. I was in the process of converting all my and my family's computers to Mint when I heard about Clem's litmus test. I switched to Ubuntu, causing myself quite a bit of extra work undoing new Mint installations. I quit publically criticizing Mint over that affair five years ago, and in fact they haven't done anything stupid since 2009. But I still have a bad taste in my mouth, so I personally don't use or recommend Mint. Kind of like I don't buy Volkswagens. Or Mel Gibson movies. I wouldn't enjoy driving the former or watching the latter. SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "antisemitic" Linux Mint [was: Re: Distro recommendation]
I don't see an issue in clem's views, as long that it stays off the community's ground. His apology for mixing open source with politics is here: https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=775 I have no idea if this will fuel or calm things, but there is an archived talk sub-page on wikipedia on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Linux_Mint/Archive_Israel-Palestine_Controversy I find mint to be very useful, both for "professional" and "home" users. I tried ubuntu for a while, it left a bitterer taste than any other distro i tried before. Yehuda -- *Yehuda Deutsch | IT Developer* On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 18:15:37 +0200 > Geoffrey Mendelson wrote: > > [very offtopic] > > As for moving on, I have, on to another less political distro. > > > > Geoff. > > I was in the process of converting all my and my family's computers to > Mint when I heard about Clem's litmus test. I switched to Ubuntu, > causing myself quite a bit of extra work undoing new Mint installations. > > I quit publically criticizing Mint over that affair five years ago, and > in fact they haven't done anything stupid since 2009. But I still have > a bad taste in my mouth, so I personally don't use or recommend Mint. > > Kind of like I don't buy Volkswagens. Or Mel Gibson movies. I wouldn't > enjoy driving the former or watching the latter. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts > http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
