Re: 2.11.38 LSR Adding accidentals to a trillspanner

[Paul Scott]

Graham Percival wrote:

There are a number of such examples.  If you alter the snippet to
work with 2.11.38 and send it to me, the 2.11 version will appear
in the 2.11 docs.
  
Sorry!  I don't know enough to know what is broken/changed.  I was 
hoping for a fix so I didn't have to hand mark the part.


Thanks,

Paul



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Re: Part 1 of 2 -- Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches 2008-01-26

[Graham Percival]

When I haven't commented on something, it means I took your
suggestion.


On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:26:22 -0800
Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Of course, the titles of the following subsections should be
> considered. They are "Writing pitches", "Changing multiple
> pitches" (but see below), and "Displaying pitches", respectively. So
> perhaps the phrase above should be further changed to "writing,
> changing, and displaying."

IMO, writing pitches etc.  sound better.  However, I want to
provide a hint about how lilypond processes pitches, by making a
reference to normal computer usage: data input, computation,
result output.

> On page 6 -- "Known issues and warnings" -- "There are no generally
> accepted standards for denoting three-quarter flats ..."  So there
> are generally accepted standards for denoting one-quarter flats?  Or
> should this read "There are no generally accepted standards for
> denoting quarter-tone accidentals ..."

I'm not certain about this, but the "accidental" text is more
general and covers us more, so I took it.  :)

> Same page, header of section 1.1.2 -- Should be "Changing pitches" to
> parallel the headers of the other subsections.

I want to emphasize that transposition affects more than one
pitch.  I'm not totally against changing the section name this
way, but I'd want more discussion first.

> Same page, "Transpose" section -- a technical question about the
> \transpose syntax: are frompitch and topitch relative or absolute?
> Would it be useful to include that information?

Absolute.  I can't see it making a huge difference, but I added
it.


> On page 10, first paragraph -- In that case, "Double
> accidentals ..."  What is this sentence quoting?  Perhaps it should
> just be integrated into the sentence.

It's explaining the rules for a minimum number of accidentals.  I
agree that the quotes are a bit weird... anyway, since this is a
selected snippet, it's not my department.

> Ditto, in line 4 (a comment) of the Scheme code -- "alteration, a, in
> quarter-tone [hyphenated] ..."

Ditto, not my department.  Could you fix these in LSR?


Cheers,
- Graham


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Re: Part 2 of 2 -- Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches 2008-01-26

[Graham Percival]

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:43:19 -0800
Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Page 9, antepenultimate paragraph (missed this in my first go-round)
> -- "For example, when entering music that [not which] begins on a
> notated E (concert D) [moved this section up] for a B-flat trumpet,
> one could write ..."

Disagree; the most important part of this situation is the B-flat
trumpet.  I changed the that/which, though.

> Same page, first sentence of the second paragraph in "Selected
> snippets" -- delete the comma after octavation: "or the octavation
> does not in ..."
> 
> Ditto, third sentence -- change litotes to a positive statement
> (unless the litotes is incorrect and the sentence should be
> negative): "The clefOctavation value would normally be set to 7, -7,
> 15 or -15, but other values are valid."
>
> Page 13 -- "end of the previous line is [not in] not required ..."
 
Not my department.

If you look at the Snippets -> Pitches page, you'll see all these
things collected together, along with the file names.  Could you
collect all these language corrections in the snippets, along with
the filenames, to Valentin?

> Page 22, "Selected snippets" -- "... every pitch in the twelve-tone
> [removed extra space, changed note to tone] scale ..."

for V.


Cheers,
- Graham


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Re: 2.11.38 LSR Adding accidentals to a trillspanner

[Paul Scott]

Graham Percival wrote:

There are a number of such examples.  If you alter the snippet to
work with 2.11.38 and send it to me, the 2.11 version will appear
in the 2.11 docs.
  

Sorry!  I don't know enough to know what is broken/changed.  I was
hoping for a fix so I didn't have to hand mark the part.

Thanks,

Paul




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Re: Choral lyrics assistance, please.

[NJW]

With apologies for replying to myself, but hoping this will help someone
following on.

> This piece has a solo verse, followed by four-part refrain, 
> with differences in lyrics and rhythms in all four parts. 

The solution (that is, one solution ;-) ) is to put it in a book.  The
prospect of using the \book command seemed a bit too advanced, but is
actually quite straightforward.  Use of \paper in the \book is analogous to
\layout in \score.

\book {
\score {
%verse goes here
}
\score {
%refrain goes here
}
\paper {
}
}

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GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches 2008-02-03

[Graham Percival]

Ok, a number of smal fixes have been made in the past week.  I'm
restarting the "week until declaring perfect" counter.

http://web.uvic.ca/~gperciva/

If you've read it in detail recently, it's probably not worth
reading again.  But if you haven't looked at it yet, please do so!


The one big change: since nobody has touched the texi2html stuff
on the technical TODO list  (estimated: 3 hours for a perl
programmer), it appears that we're not going to get longer HTML
pages.  You may recall that the original plan was to have all of
1.1.1 Writing pitches  on a single page.

I therefore switched the numbering to give each subsubsection its
own number.  I'm not fond of four-deep numbers: 1.1.3.5  but IMO
it's better to have a unique number for each HTML page.  Comments
and discussion are welcome.

Cheers,
- Graham


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Re: recorder fingering chart

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Libero,

I should use the slashed numbers too in order to indicate half-hole  
positions.
Is it possible to use slashed numbers in fingering (without using  
\markup)?


Don't know.


can someone show me how to use the slashed-digit inside a markup?


The attached hack might give you the right hint.
[For the record, there's likely a much better way...]

Hope this helps!
Kieren.


\version "2.11.37"

\paper { ragged-right = ##t }

testing =
{
c''^\markup { \combine 3 \translate #'(0.25 . -0.25) \rotate  
#-30 \fontsize #1 "/" }

}

\score
{
\testing
}


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lilypondtool for linux

[stef . thomas]

Dear lilypondusers,
as far as I know, is the latest version of jedit, that works with linux and 
lilypondtool, 4.3.pre 11, true?
Does someone know, where I could get it?
And: how can I install the lilypondtool package on my machine?
Thanks for Your help.
Stefan

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RE: Choral lyrics assistance, please.

[Trevor Daniels]

Hi Nick

I saw your later note about using book, but it can be done
in straightforward Lily, although maybe 'straightforward' is
not the right word!  Using book is probably easier.  The
problem you had is the quite tricky positioning of the
sequential and simultaneous sections.  I'll explain here how
to work this out, as it might be a useful example for the
docs.

Let's start with the score block containing a ChoirStaff.
Normally you would need angle brackets after Choirstaff to
bring in all the staves in parallel, but here we want to
defer the parallelism so we use braces, although angle
brackets here wouldn't hurt.  Inside Choirstaff we want
first the staff which will contain the verse.  This must
contain notes and lyrics in parallel, so here we need angle
brackets around the \new Voice and \new Lyrics to start them
at the same time:

\score {
  \new Choirstaff {
\new Staff <<
  \new Voice = verse {
\versenotes \break
  }
  \new Lyrics \lyricsto verse {
\versewords
  }
>>
  }
}

That gives the verse line.

Now we want to continue with refrainA while a second staff
is introduced in parallel with it for refrainB, so this is a
parallel section which must be positioned immediately
following the \break in the verse Voice.  Yes, -within- the
verse Voice!  Here's that parallel section.  More staves
could be introduced here in the same way.

<<
  \refrainnotesA
  \new Lyrics \lyricsto verse {
\refrainwordsA
  }
  \new Staff = refrainB <<
\new Voice = refrainB {
  \refrainnotesB
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto refrainB {
  \refrainwordsB
}
  >>
>>

Here's the final full example:

versenotes = \relative c'' {
\clef "treble"
\key g \major
\time 3/4 g g g b b b
}
refrainnotesA = \relative c'' {
\time 2/4
c c g g \bar "|."
}
refrainnotesB = \relative c {
\clef "bass"
\key g \major
c e d d
}
versewords = \lyricmode {
One two three four five six
}
refrainwordsA = \lyricmode {
la la la la
}
refrainwordsB = \lyricmode {
dum dum dum dum
}
\score {
  \new ChoirStaff {
\new Staff <<
  \context Voice = verse {
\versenotes \break
<<
  \refrainnotesA
  \new Lyrics \lyricsto verse {
\refrainwordsA
  }
  \new Staff = refrainB <<
\new Voice = refrainB {
  \refrainnotesB
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto refrainB {
  \refrainwordsB
}
  >>
>>
  }
  \new Lyrics \lyricsto verse {
\versewords
  }
>>
  }
}

HTH

Trevor D


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+t.daniels=treda.co.u
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> NJW
> Sent: 02 February 2008 18:14
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Subject: Choral lyrics assistance, please.
>
>
>
> This problem has occupied me for about three
> weeks! I have progressed quite
> easily from single-staff through four-part choral
> music with lyrics, but
> they have all been quite straightforward.
>
> This piece has a solo verse, followed by
> four-part refrain, with differences
> in lyrics and rhythms in all four parts.  I can
> get the music to compile
> properly, but I'm having no success with adding
> the lyrics.
>
> The following code is representative of what I've
> got so far.  I have
> included comments at the positions of potential
> lyric context code, showing
> the errors.  The dummy '\context Lyric' line was
> to try and help Lilypond
> find the 'verse' Voice (from the way NoteEdit
> arranged LP code, right or
> wrong) but it didn't make any difference.
>
> If the solution is obvious, I apologise in advance!
>
> (I hope Nabble doesn't reformat everything -- is
> there a  tag?)
>
> %%%
> \version "2.11.37"
>
> versenotes = \relative c'' {
>   \clef "treble"
>   \key g \major
>   \time 3/4 g g g b b b
> }
> refrainnotesA = \relative c'' {
>   \time 2/4
>   c c g g \bar "|."
> }
> refrainnotesB = \relative c {
>   \clef "bass"
>   \key g \major
>   c e d d
> }
> versewords = \lyricmode {
>   One two three four five six
> }
> refrainwordsA = \lyricmode {
>   la la la la
> }
> refrainwordsB = \lyricmode {
>   dum dum dum dum
> }
>
> \score {
>   \new ChoirStaff {
>   \new Staff \context Voice = verse \versenotes \break
>
> % Dummy Lyrics context :
> % \context Lyrics = v \lyricsto verse { }
> % Following line causes 'Moment is not increasing' error :
> % \context Lyrics = verse \lyricsto verse \versewords
>   <<
>   \refrainnotesA
>   \new Staff = refrainB \context
> Voice = refrainB { \refrainnotesB }
>   >>
>
> % Following line causes 'cannot find Voice 'verse' :
> % \context Lyrics = v \lyricsto verse \versewords
>   }
> 

Re: recorder fingering chart

[Libero Mureddu]

Hi Kieren,
thanks a lot, maybe there are better ways, but this one is quite effective :-)
I slightly modified your example as follows:
ciao
libero

\version "2.11.37"

\paper { ragged-right = ##t }

testing =
{
c''_\markup {\override #'(baseline-skip . 1.7) \column {\combine
\finger 0 \translate #'(0.17 . -0.17) \rotate
#-30  \small "/" \finger 1 \finger 2 \finger 3 \finger 4} }
}

\score
{
   \testing
}

On Feb 3, 2008 4:50 PM, Kieren MacMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Libero,
>
> > I should use the slashed numbers too in order to indicate half-hole
> > positions.
> > Is it possible to use slashed numbers in fingering (without using
> > \markup)?
>
> Don't know.
>
> > can someone show me how to use the slashed-digit inside a markup?
>
> The attached hack might give you the right hint.
> [For the record, there's likely a much better way...]
>
> Hope this helps!
> Kieren.
> 
>
> \version "2.11.37"
>
> \paper { ragged-right = ##t }
>
> testing =
> {
>  c''^\markup { \combine 3 \translate #'(0.25 . -0.25) \rotate
> #-30 \fontsize #1 "/" }
> }
>
> \score
> {
> \testing
> }
>



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Re: recorder fingering chart

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Libero,

thanks a lot, maybe there are better ways, but this one is quite  
effective :-)


Glad to hear it!


I slightly modified your example as follows:


Nice... for future use, you might want to define some variables, e.g.

slashZero = \markup { \combine \finger 0 \translate #'(0.17 . -0.17)  
\rotate #-30  \small "/" }
slashOne = \markup { \combine \finger 1 \translate #'(0.17 . -0.17)  
\rotate #-30  \small "/" }
slashTwo = \markup { \combine \finger 2 \translate #'(0.17 . -0.17)  
\rotate #-30  \small "/" }
slashThree = \markup { \combine \finger 3 \translate #'(0.17 . -0.17)  
\rotate #-30  \small "/" }
slashFour = \markup { \combine \finger 4 \translate #'(0.17 . -0.17)  
\rotate #-30  \small "/" }


Best regards,
Kieren.


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RE: Keeping ossia staves away from SystemStartBar

[Trevor Daniels]

Hi Michael

I don't know a regular way of doing this, but here's
a hack which might get you going.  It's a way of
fooling LilyPond into thinking the standard staff has
continued after the break.  Pinch, say, a tenth of the
first note value after the break and introduce a spacer
note of that tenth, leaving the first note of the ossia
and the first note of the standard staff to be 9/10s.
That keeps the bar timing right, and has little effect
on the note spacing or MIDI.

Like this:

\version "2.11.34"
\paper {
  ragged-right = ##t
}

\new Staff ="main" {
  \relative g' {
r4 g8 g c4 c8 d | \break
s8*1/10
<<
  { f8*9/10 c8 c }
  \new Staff \with {
alignAboveContext = "main"
\override Clef #'stencil = ##f
\override TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f
fontSize = #-2
\override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep -2)
  }
  {
f8*9/10 f8 c }
>>
r8 r4 r |
  }
}

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> Michael Käppler
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> Subject: Keeping ossia staves away from SystemStartBar
>
>
> Hi all,
> I appreciate LilyPond's possibility for creating
> ossia staves much. It
> remains a small problem: If the staff occurs
> after a line break, it is
> connected with the other staves and bar numbers
> are printed above the
> ossia staff.
> Is there a way to prevent this?
>
> Kind regards,
> Michael
>
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Re: Choral lyrics assistance, please.

[Mats Bengtsson]

Quoting NJW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



The solution (that is, one solution ;-) ) is to put it in a book.  The
prospect of using the \book command seemed a bit too advanced, but is
actually quite straightforward.  Use of \paper in the \book is analogous to
\layout in \score.

\book {
\score {
%verse goes here
}
\score {
%refrain goes here
}
\paper {
}
}


As has been said many times on the mailing list, there's no need to use 
\book here. If you just remove the "\book {" and matching "}", you will 
get exactly the same result. If there's any information left in the 
current manual that indicates that you need to explicitly specify the 
\book command, please tell us, so we can clarify this issue

even further.

   /Mats



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Re: lilypondtool for linux

[Nicholas WASTELL]

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:04:15 +0100, stef.thomas wrote:

> Dear lilypondusers,
> as far as I know, is the latest version of jedit, that works with linux
> and lilypondtool, 4.3.pre 11, true? Does someone know, where I could get
> it? And: how can I install the lilypondtool package on my machine?

Hello Stefan,

I downloaded it by changing the URL from the jEdit download page.

Example, the Debian package is

so, I just changed the version number in the file name in the browser 
address bar.

I can't remember what the performance of pre11 was like, but I currently 
use pre9.  Not every lilypondtool options works, but enough for me.

You download lilypondtool from within jedit: menu Plugins>Plugin 
Manager>Install.

Good luck!

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Help with systemSeparatorMarkup in Latex

[Daniel Tonda]

I don't seem to get the "//" systemSeparator when using latex and lilypond.

I've been searching and can't find any pointers.

I put this code in a lilypond file, and when compiled by itself it shows
fine in the final pdf, but if I use it in latex I don't get the separator.

\paper {
  between-system-space = 1.5\cm
  between-system-padding = #10
  ragged-bottom=##f
  ragged-last-bottom=##f
  systemSeparatorMarkup = \slashSeparator
}

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Re: recorder fingering chart

[Mats Bengtsson]

Why not use the builtin markup command \slashed-digit, which is used 
for figured bass:


\markup{\slashed-digit #3 }

  /Mats

Quoting Kieren MacMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Hi Libero,

thanks a lot, maybe there are better ways, but this one is quite  
effective :-)


Glad to hear it!


I slightly modified your example as follows:


Nice... for future use, you might want to define some variables, e.g.

slashZero = \markup { \combine \finger 0 \translate #'(0.17 . -0.17)  
\rotate #-30  \small "/" }
slashOne = \markup { \combine \finger 1 \translate #'(0.17 . -0.17)  
\rotate #-30  \small "/" }
slashTwo = \markup { \combine \finger 2 \translate #'(0.17 . -0.17)  
\rotate #-30  \small "/" }
slashThree = \markup { \combine \finger 3 \translate #'(0.17 . -0.17) 
 \rotate #-30  \small "/" }
slashFour = \markup { \combine \finger 4 \translate #'(0.17 . -0.17)  
\rotate #-30  \small "/" }


Best regards,
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Re: recorder fingering chart

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Mats,

Why not use the builtin markup command \slashed-digit, which is  
used for figured bass:

\markup{\slashed-digit #3 }


Um... 'cuz I'm an idiot?  ;-)
Didn't know it was there -- nice to learn something new (again).

Thanks,
Kieren.


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parenthesized dynamics, that behave like dynamics

[Reinhold Kainhofer]

In the documentation there is a tip how to create parenthesized dynamics:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/New-dynamic-marks#New-dynamic-marks

This seems to work fine, except for one very important issue: \dynamicUp or 
\dynamicDown does not work on them! See e.g. the attached sample file.

For vocal voices, the dynamics are typically written above the staff, while 
for instrumental voices, they are below the staff. Now, I have a piece with 
some colla parte instruments (e.g. Violin 1 plays exactly the same as 
Soprano), so I have the V1 / S music only once and use the same variable in 
both the violin score and the vocal score, adjusting the dynamics by 
\dynamicUp or \dynamicDown. For this reason, I really need parenthesized 
dynamics, that behave like dynamics and not like markup!

Thanks already in advance!

Cheers,
Reinhold 

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\version "2.11.38"

% taken from 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/New-dynamic-marks#New-dynamic-marks
rndf = \markup{ \center-align {\line { \italic ( \dynamic f \italic ) }} }
rndp = \markup{ \center-align {\line { \italic ( \dynamic p \italic ) }} }

% colla parte music:
mus = \relative c' { e4-\rndf f g a-\rndp g f e d}

\score{
<<
  % the violin part:
  \new Staff <<
\new Voice = vvI  << \dynamicDown \mus >>
  >>
  % the vocal staff:
  % Vocal staves should have the dynamics above (so they don't collide with the 
lyrics!!!)
  \new Staff <<
\new Voice = vvII << \dynamicUp \mus >> % <== This does NOT work, i.e. the 
(p) is still below the staff
  >>
 >>
}



dynamics_parenthesized_up.pdf
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Re: parenthesized dynamics, that behave like dynamics

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Reinhold,

This seems to work fine, except for one very important issue:  
\dynamicUp or

\dynamicDown does not work on them! See e.g. the attached sample file.


How's this?
Kieren.
_

\version "2.11.37"

\paper { ragged-right = ##t }

parenF = #(make-dynamic-script (markup #:line(#:normal-text #:italic  
#:fontsize 2 "(" #:hspace -0.8 #:dynamic "f" #:normal-text #:italic  
#:fontsize 2 ")" )))


\score
{
{ c''\parenF c'' c'' \dynamicUp c''\parenF }
}


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Solution for: 2.11.38 LSR Adding accidentals to a trillspanner

[Paul Scott]

Can someone tell me how to fix this?

TIA,

Paul


Paul Scott wrote:
This example from the current LSR doesn't seem to work for 2.11.38.  
No sharp appears.


Adding accidentals to a trillspanner

\relative c'' {
\override TrillSpanner #'edge-text = #(cons (markup #:line 
(#:halign -0.5 #:musicglyph "scripts.trill" #:teeny #:raise 0.65 
#:sharp)) "")

b1\startTrillSpan b\stopTrillSpan

\override TrillSpanner #'edge-text = #(cons (markup #:line 
(#:halign -0.5 #:musicglyph "scripts.trill" #:teeny #:raise 0.5 
#:flat)) "")

c\startTrillSpan c\stopTrillSpan

}

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Re: parenthesized dynamics, that behave like dynamics

[Graham Percival]

Please add this to LSR, with tags "text" and "docs".

Cheers,
- Graham

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:39:48 -0500
Kieren MacMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Reinhold,
> 
> > This seems to work fine, except for one very important issue:  
> > \dynamicUp or
> > \dynamicDown does not work on them! See e.g. the attached sample
> > file.
> 
> How's this?
> Kieren.
> _
> 
> \version "2.11.37"
> 
> \paper { ragged-right = ##t }
> 
> parenF = #(make-dynamic-script (markup #:line(#:normal-text #:italic  
> #:fontsize 2 "(" #:hspace -0.8 #:dynamic "f" #:normal-text #:italic  
> #:fontsize 2 ")" )))
> 
> \score
> {
>   { c''\parenF c'' c'' \dynamicUp c''\parenF }
> }
> 
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Re: Solution for: 2.11.38 LSR Adding accidentals to a trillspanner

[Graham Percival]

Paul,

- run the example through convert-ly.  It will probably warn you
  about the text spanners.
- look at NEWS.  It tells you that setting text spanners has
  changed.
- look at the doc section about text spanners.  It tells you the
  new syntax.
- with this knowledge, modify the snippet accordingly.

If you want to run a devel version, you need to be familiar with
these steps.

- Graham

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:25:48 -0700
Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can someone tell me how to fix this?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> Paul Scott wrote:
> > This example from the current LSR doesn't seem to work for
> > 2.11.38. No sharp appears.
> >
> > Adding accidentals to a trillspanner
> >
> > \relative c'' {
> > \override TrillSpanner #'edge-text = #(cons (markup #:line 
> > (#:halign -0.5 #:musicglyph "scripts.trill" #:teeny #:raise 0.65 
> > #:sharp)) "")
> > 
> > b1\startTrillSpan b\stopTrillSpan
> > 
> > \override TrillSpanner #'edge-text = #(cons (markup #:line 
> > (#:halign -0.5 #:musicglyph "scripts.trill" #:teeny #:raise 0.5 
> > #:flat)) "")
> > 
> > c\startTrillSpan c\stopTrillSpan
> > }
> >
> > Paul Scott
> >
> >
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\RemoveEmptyStaffContext deleting half a GrandStaff

[Steve Dunlop]

I'm typesetting some organ scores which will be open content upon
completion.  As with most organ scores, there is a GrandStaff, for the
hands, and a staff for the feet.  The desired engraving technique is to
remove the staff for the feet when it carries no notes.  It is important
to use a GrandStaff, not a PianoStaff, because cross staff beaming is
not in use and I want automatic adjustment of staff spacing.

Part of the GrandStaff being removed when only one of its staves carries
notes in a system.  This is undesired.

Any advice?

Steve



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Re: Solution for: 2.11.38 LSR Adding accidentals to a trillspanner

[Paul Scott]

Graham Percival wrote:

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:05:31 -0700
Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Graham Percival wrote:


- run the example through convert-ly.  It will probably warn you
  about the text spanners.
  
  

The LSR code didn't have a version that I could see.  I tried
starting with several 2.11.x versions.  s.11.11 finally gave:



LSR is version 2.10.12.  That info is somewhere on the website.

  

Applying conversion: 2.11.13, Not smart enough to convert edge-text
settings for TextSpanner.Use

\override TextSpanner #'bound-details #'right #'text =
 \override TextSpanner #'bound-details #'left #'text =
 
  
That's not enough information for me and the converted code still has 
the original problem.



Of course the converted code still has the problem!  That's what
"not smart enough to convert" means!

  

- look at the doc section about text spanners.  It tells you the
  new syntax.
  
  

Where?  The internals doc for edge-text is too generic.



Umm, the first example?  It shows you how to use #'bound-details.
  

I don't see how to use that to get a flat, sharp or natural to appear.


  

I am somewhat familiar with each of these steps but not enough to
solve this problem.



You're trying to use a special tweak from an old version in an UNSTABLE
version of lilypond.  Unfortunately you need to get more familiar with
these steps if you want to convert special tweaks.
  

Are you saying

1. that you have answered my question above?

2. I have more to learn to understand this?

3. ?

Paul




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Re: Solution for: 2.11.38 LSR Adding accidentals to a trillspanner

[Graham Percival]

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:05:31 -0700
Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Graham Percival wrote:
> > - run the example through convert-ly.  It will probably warn you
> >   about the text spanners.
> >   
> The LSR code didn't have a version that I could see.  I tried
> starting with several 2.11.x versions.  s.11.11 finally gave:

LSR is version 2.10.12.  That info is somewhere on the website.

> > Applying conversion: 2.11.13, Not smart enough to convert edge-text
> > settings for TextSpanner.Use
> >
> > \override TextSpanner #'bound-details #'right #'text =
> >  \override TextSpanner #'bound-details #'left #'text =
> >  
> That's not enough information for me and the converted code still has 
> the original problem.

Of course the converted code still has the problem!  That's what
"not smart enough to convert" means!

> > - look at the doc section about text spanners.  It tells you the
> >   new syntax.
> >   
> Where?  The internals doc for edge-text is too generic.

Umm, the first example?  It shows you how to use #'bound-details.


> I am somewhat familiar with each of these steps but not enough to
> solve this problem.

You're trying to use a special tweak from an old version in an UNSTABLE
version of lilypond.  Unfortunately you need to get more familiar with
these steps if you want to convert special tweaks.
- Graham


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Re: Solution for: 2.11.38 LSR Adding accidentals to a trillspanner

[Graham Percival]

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:55:21 -0700
Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Umm, the first example?  It shows you how to use #'bound-details.
> >   
> I don't see how to use that to get a flat, sharp or natural to appear.

The same way you normaly get a flat, sharp, or a natural to appear
in markup.

> > You're trying to use a special tweak from an old version in an
> > UNSTABLE version of lilypond.  Unfortunately you need to get more
> > familiar with these steps if you want to convert special tweaks.
> >   
> Are you saying
> 
> 1. that you have answered my question above?
> 
> 2. I have more to learn to understand this?
> 
> 3. ?

#2 and #3.  This problem arose -- I think; I haven't actually
looked at the problem -- because the syntax for text spanners
changed between 2.10 and 2.11.  I gave you the general steps on
how to solve the problem.

If you want to do fancy stuff in lilypond, you need to learn about
how it works.  LM 3-4 in the 2.11.38 docs gives a great
introduction to this.

If you want to do translate fancy stuff from one version of
lilypond into fancy stuff in another version of lilypond, you need
to learn even more about how lilypond works.  See the News page
for more info about this.

Cheers,
- Graham


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