Re: [GNC] Why do people start new threads?

2021-12-13 Thread Chris Green
On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 04:06:48PM -0800, Dave Hayes wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 21:52:49 +
> Chris Green  wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 01:16:12PM -0800, Dave Hayes wrote:
> > > On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 15:24:15 +
> > > "Dr. David Kirkby"  wrote:  
> > > > Can't people reply to an existing thread, without creating another one? 
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > There are specific headers (e.g. References, In-Reply-To) that have to be
> > > present for most mail clients to thread properly. The exclusion of those 
> > > headers is often a mail client issue and often happens without the
> > > awareness of the responder. Thus, it may not be their intention to do 
> > > this.
> > > :)  
> > 
> > The Message-ID: is what should be used, that's the fundamental reason
> > for having a Message-ID:.  Using anything else is second best.
> 
> That is always used and mostly present. However, there's nothing to compare
> it to unless you at least have an "In-Reply-To" header. Otherwise, how do you
> know a message has been replied to? 

Yes, of course, if someone's mail client doesn't put the Message-ID:
there then there's not much one can do.  My mail client will thread
using the Subject: if required but it's far from the 'right' way to do
it.

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Re: [GNC] Trouble creating this report

2021-12-13 Thread Derek Atkins
HI,

On Sun, December 12, 2021 11:43 pm, Daniel Torstenson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I'm trying to
> create a report like the one enclosed. It seems very similar to something
> I
> can create with the "Transaction Report", but I can't quite get it. So
> this
> report shows the amount spent in each of the expense subaccounts, broken
> down by month. But for each higher-level account, it shows the sum of all
> subaccounts (in bold in the enclosed report).
>
> I can set up a Transaction Report to show all the subaccounts, but without
> all the higher-level sums.
>
> I figured I could just create two separate reports instead. One that has
> only the individual subaccounts and one that has only the top-level
> expense
> accounts (Food, Housing, etc.) But I actually couldn't figure out how to
> do
> that second report, either. So I'm turning to you. Any ideas?

Did you try the Display -> Subtotal Table option?

Right now I don't think GnuCash has a multicolumn report like you have in
your image.

>
> Thanks!

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Re: [GNC] Why do people start new threads?

2021-12-13 Thread Chris Mitchell
On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 10:01:44 +, Chris Green  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 08:21:29PM -0600, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

Not that I have any problem with e-mail discussion lists, but I have
thoughts to offer in response to a couple of specific points.

> > The 'unforgiving' nature is because it is e-mail. Once it is out
> > there, it is out there. No changes are possible as the transmission
> > has already occurred and is fully completed.
> > 
> > Thankfully one *cannot* edit an e-mail after sending.

In the general case, I agree that it would be *very bad* if one could
edit an email after sending it.

In terms of tools for technical discussions in particular, though, I
think a "version-controlled forum" approach does a decent job of
offering the best of both worlds: It puts the current state of
discussion all in one place that's easy to read without having to parse
'n' levels of quoted fragments and seek out entire separate documents
to see their context and so forth... But! Posters can't rewrite
history, because any post that's been edited is flagged as such and
decorated with a link to a chain of commits so anyone can view diffs
and see what was changed when.

> I am on far too many (mostly software) discussion lists to even
> possibly contemplate them moving to forums.  With E-Mail everything
> arrives in my mail program (sorted into separate places for each
> list), if they were forums I'd have to got to (more than 60) different
> web pages and log in on each to see postings.

Wouldn't a decent RSS aggregator provide very much that same unified and
sorted "inbox" experience for discussions conducted in web forums?
Admittedly one still has to log in to *reply*, leading us to the hot
mess that is authentication on the web (which can be worked around
fairly painlessly via a password manager with good browser integration).

Again, I'm not particularly advocating for Gnucash discussions to move
to a web forum or what-have-you, I just find the question fascinating.

In my opinion, the hardest objection to address is the overhead, both
in hosting costs and administration time/effort. 

There's also the fact that a forum is much more vulnerable to the whole
record being lost if the server admin disappears without handing over
the keys to a successor, but that risk could be mitigated fairly
effectively by having the contents synced to a public repo on Github or
similar. I know that approach is popular for static sites, and *in
theory* I think a version-controlled forum platform should be
conducive to this setup, but I don't know whether such a thing is
available in practice.

Cheers!
 -Chris
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Re: [GNC] Encoding;was: Bitcoin …

2021-12-13 Thread Dustin Henning
FWIW, if anyone is trying to narrow down a cause here, I've not seen the 
errant question marks outside of that reply to my e-mail that I asked 
about.  I'm also e-mailing on a Mac, but I don't receive digests, and I 
use Thunderbird.


On 12/10/21 9:33 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
Same here (also set to UTF-8), no issues with errant '?'. The web 
interface doesn't show them either, so most likely an encoding issue 
with your e-mail client.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/10/21 5:43 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:

Hi,

how did you set the encoding of your email client? I am using utf-8 and
see no issues.

Regards
Frank

Am 10.12.21 um 22:52 schrieb Colin Arndt:

I see those ? marks all the time, it’s not just you.

I'd guess the mailman system either doesn’t support characters in 
your message… or my Mac doesn’t support what mailman is generating. 
The fact that I get messages as digests could have something to do 
with it too.


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Re: [GNC] Error when editing transfer for transaction

2021-12-13 Thread Dustin Henning
In addition to the below, while I'm not sure how strong GnuCash 
developer preference is here, I believe most FOSS developers prefer that 
feature requests are entered in their bug/issue tracking systems.  For 
GnuCash, that would be BugZilla via https://bugs.gnucash.org.  Entering 
your request there would also allow you to track progress should a 
developer take interest.


On 12/12/21 3:27 PM, William Prescott wrote:

Sounds like a nice enhancement to have, but I would not be too sure about the "It 
shouldn't be too much work". Without looking at the code, I don't see how anyone 
could say how much work it would be. Seemingly small changes often can require lots of 
code to implement. It all depends on how that particular bit of information is derived.

Will
Guadalajara, Mexico

On 2021 Dec 12, at 12-12 13:29:30, Stan Brown  
wrote:

Can I make a plea for a very welcome enhancement?

Instead of "in another register", name the register, e.,g. "in the Cash
and Banks register".  It shouldn't be too much work, and would make
things a lot easier for users.


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Re: [GNC] Trouble creating this report

2021-12-13 Thread Daniel Torstenson
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 6:03 AM Derek Atkins  wrote:

Did you try the Display -> Subtotal Table option?
>

Yeah, and I also check Sorting -> Show subtotals only (hide transactional
data) and that *almost* gets me where I want to be. It gives a multicolumn
table that looks like the one I enclosed, but without totals for the
top-level accounts. i.e. It gives totals for "Apparel & Services:Men's
Apparel" and "Apparel & Services:Women's Apparel", but no total for
"Apparel & Services"

Thanks
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[GNC] any way to make a report of assets?

2021-12-13 Thread John Griessen



I have equipment assets that are in categories and have contra accounts for 
depreciating them.

Has anyone figured a method to generate a list of assets?

I've not seen any way to automate this, so am considering making a spreadsheet of them after giving each one a tag that is entered 
in each transaction involving it.


Any easier ways?
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Re: [GNC] Error when editing transfer for transaction

2021-12-13 Thread David Carlson
One part of this issue was already reported in 2012 in
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686051

I think there is also another bug report on this specific error message but
I can't find it right now.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021, 9:37 AM Dustin Henning  wrote:

> In addition to the below, while I'm not sure how strong GnuCash
> developer preference is here, I believe most FOSS developers prefer that
> feature requests are entered in their bug/issue tracking systems.  For
> GnuCash, that would be BugZilla via https://bugs.gnucash.org.  Entering
> your request there would also allow you to track progress should a
> developer take interest.
>
> On 12/12/21 3:27 PM, William Prescott wrote:
> > Sounds like a nice enhancement to have, but I would not be too sure
> about the "It shouldn't be too much work". Without looking at the code, I
> don't see how anyone could say how much work it would be. Seemingly small
> changes often can require lots of code to implement. It all depends on how
> that particular bit of information is derived.
> >
> > Will
> > Guadalajara, Mexico
> >
> > On 2021 Dec 12, at 12-12 13:29:30, Stan Brown <
> the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >
> > Can I make a plea for a very welcome enhancement?
> >
> > Instead of "in another register", name the register, e.,g. "in the Cash
> > and Banks register".  It shouldn't be too much work, and would make
> > things a lot easier for users.
> >
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Re: [GNC] Does anyone produce a "UK balance sheet" (FRS 102) ?

2021-12-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 04:02, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

>
>
> The Wiki has links to the relevant materials for writing custom reports
> if you have to dive that deep.


When I get more used to GnuCash, I might take a look at that.

>
>
> And since you're requesting this for the UK, I'd bet someone else
> already has this need, and might very well have fulfilled it. There
> isn't a 'user repository' of custom reports, but if any exist for this
> case, maybe someone was kind enough to post the report code publicly.


 I was rather hoping that someone else might have done it., since I suspect
that there are a lot of UK users. If I ever manage to get competent at it,
I might even be able to convince my accountant to suggest others look at it.

A  “user repository” of customisations would not be quite a good idea.
Obviously some things are very specific to a jurisdiction, so it would be
virtually impossible for the main development team to handle, although I
did notice an Australian tax invoice on one of the menus. But overall, a
repository of user contributions would be a good idea. Maybe such reports
should have a disclaimer at the top, where a user would have to remove if
they wanted to. That should avoid any legal issues.

>
>
> Regards,
> Adrien


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Re: [GNC] Encoding;was: Bitcoin …

2021-12-13 Thread Fred Bone
On 13 December 2021 at 10:23, Dustin Henning said:

> FWIW, if anyone is trying to narrow down a cause here, I've not seen the
> errant question marks outside of that reply to my e-mail that I asked
> about.  I'm also e-mailing on a Mac, but I don't receive digests, and I
> use Thunderbird.

My diagnosis FWIW:
1. Your sentences were followed by U+0080 NONBREAK SPACE instead of 
normal space. The UTF-8 encoding for this is xC2 x80
2. Colin, whose reply displayed the "?", was replying to the plaintext 
digest and not to your message (as may be seen from the In-Reply-To: 
header). The plaintext digest is evidently in ASCII, and the xC2 is not 
representable so is converted to "?".


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Re: [GNC] Why do people start new threads?

2021-12-13 Thread Fred Bone
On 13 December 2021 at 8:36, Chris Green said:

> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 04:06:48PM -0800, Dave Hayes wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 21:52:49 +
> > Chris Green  wrote:
> > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 01:16:12PM -0800, Dave Hayes wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 15:24:15 +
> > > > "Dr. David Kirkby"  wrote:  
> > > > > Can't people reply to an existing thread, without creating another
> > > > > one?  
> > > > 
> > > > There are specific headers (e.g. References, In-Reply-To) that have
> > > > to be present for most mail clients to thread properly. The
> > > > exclusion of those headers is often a mail client issue and often
> > > > happens without the awareness of the responder. Thus, it may not be
> > > > their intention to do this. :)  
> > > 
> > > The Message-ID: is what should be used, that's the fundamental reason
> > > for having a Message-ID:.  Using anything else is second best.
> > 
> > That is always used and mostly present. However, there's nothing to
> > compare it to unless you at least have an "In-Reply-To" header.
> > Otherwise, how do you know a message has been replied to? 
> 
> Yes, of course, if someone's mail client doesn't put the Message-ID:
> there then there's not much one can do.  My mail client will thread
> using the Subject: if required but it's far from the 'right' way to do it.

Message-ID: is one of the few required headers. If the MUA fails to 
supply it then the first MTA should do so.

Threading relies on the In-Reply-To: which is supposed to contain the 
contents of Message-ID: from the message being replied to. If the MUA 
fails to create it then nothing else can.

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Re: [GNC] Why do people start new threads?

2021-12-13 Thread Dave Hayes
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 08:36:51 +
Chris Green  wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 04:06:48PM -0800, Dave Hayes wrote:
> > That is always used and mostly present. However, there's nothing to compare
> > it to unless you at least have an "In-Reply-To" header. Otherwise, how do
> > you know a message has been replied to?   
> 
> Yes, of course, if someone's mail client doesn't put the Message-ID:
> there then there's not much one can do.  My mail client will thread
> using the Subject: if required but it's far from the 'right' way to do
> it.

Actually, the header required is "In-Reply-To". You also need a Message-ID but
usually mail software will attach this all the time. 

Nevertheless I see my irony is missed (which is not unusual with humans) so
I'll spell it out. The original poster appeared to complain of people starting
new threads on the same subject. However, given there was no "In-Reply-To"
header (or a References header), his posting actually started a new thread.
See? :)
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Re: [GNC] Why do people start new threads?

2021-12-13 Thread Derek Atkins


On Mon, December 13, 2021 1:14 pm, Fred Bone wrote:
> On 13 December 2021 at 8:36, Chris Green said:
>
>> Yes, of course, if someone's mail client doesn't put the Message-ID:
>> there then there's not much one can do.  My mail client will thread
>> using the Subject: if required but it's far from the 'right' way to do
>> it.
>
> Message-ID: is one of the few required headers. If the MUA fails to
> supply it then the first MTA should do so.
>
> Threading relies on the In-Reply-To: which is supposed to contain the
> contents of Message-ID: from the message being replied to. If the MUA
> fails to create it then nothing else can.

The mailer I use on my phone (Aquamail) does not insert an In-Reply-To
header.  It's my #1 complaint of an otherwise amazing app. So yes, there
are MUAs out there that don't insert that header.  :(

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Re: [GNC] Colored account tabs in 4.8 don't show current selection

2021-12-13 Thread Adrien Monteleone

Your CSS might be at play.

I'm using 4.8 and I have some tabs colored. They show the blue line just 
like the non-colored tabs.


However, I have some padding/margin around these colors, so it looks 
more like a high-lighter effect. (the base color of the tab is still 
visible around the custom color) Perhaps your margin or padding needs to 
be examined, particularly on the right. It might only take a few px to 
expose the blue line.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/13/21 12:42 AM, AC wrote:
After having gotten the main registers to all use dark themes I tried 
using colored tabs for the first time.  That indeed has been helpful to 
make it easy to spot particular accounts from a big list of tabs (all 
bank accounts are one color, credit cards another, etc.)


But one thing I noticed is that for tabs that do not use color, the 
currently selected account tab has a vertical blue bar to its right 
(assuming the tabs are aligned on the left side of the screen) and the 
shade of the tab changes slightly (i.e. dark gray tabs in the dark theme 
turn a slightly lighter shade of gray).


However, when using color for the tabs, the blue bar does not appear 
when you select a colored tab.  The color completely overrides 
everything so you can't tell at a glance which of the tabs you've selected.


I'll have to go back and drop color from the accounts for now because 
it'll be too easy to not notice which account I'm using and start 
entering things. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there potentially 
a workaround to bring the selector color back while still using colored 
account tabs?


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Re: [GNC] Trouble creating this report

2021-12-13 Thread Adrien Monteleone

You want Reports>Experimental>Income Statement (multicolumn)

On the Options>General tab, set the Period Duration to 'One Month' and 
on the Accounts tab, deselect all but the Expense accounts.


You can also add a Total column via "If more than 1 period column, 
include overall period?" on the General Tab.


Additionally, that looks very much like a Budget Report. (but with only 
the 'actuals' columns, not the budget or variance columns)


You'd have to create a Budget to get one to run though. I don't think 
you need to put in any budget figures however. (there is a function to 
estimate them based on transaction history, if you want to play with the 
module anyway) Simply hide the 'budget' and 'variance' columns in the 
report options.



Regards,
Adrien

On 12/12/21 10:43 PM, Daniel Torstenson wrote:

Hi,

I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I'm trying to
create a report like the one enclosed. It seems very similar to something I
can create with the "Transaction Report", but I can't quite get it. So this
report shows the amount spent in each of the expense subaccounts, broken
down by month. But for each higher-level account, it shows the sum of all
subaccounts (in bold in the enclosed report).

I can set up a Transaction Report to show all the subaccounts, but without
all the higher-level sums.

I figured I could just create two separate reports instead. One that has
only the individual subaccounts and one that has only the top-level expense
accounts (Food, Housing, etc.) But I actually couldn't figure out how to do
that second report, either. So I'm turning to you. Any ideas?

Thanks!


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Re: [GNC] Does anyone produce a "UK balance sheet" (FRS 102) ?

2021-12-13 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I certainly did not mean to suggest something for the devs to have to 
maintain. This would strictly be a community project, and you'd have to 
add those reports yourself, they should not be included in a default 
install.


This may already exist, but I haven't gone searching, or heard any 
mention of one in 10 years or so.


Some kind souls do post their custom reports to this list occasionally 
however.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/13/21 11:47 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

A  “user repository” of customisations would not be quite a good idea.
Obviously some things are very specific to a jurisdiction, so it would be
virtually impossible for the main development team to handle, although I
did notice an Australian tax invoice on one of the menus. But overall, a
repository of user contributions would be a good idea. Maybe such reports
should have a disclaimer at the top, where a user would have to remove if
they wanted to. That should avoid any legal issues.
Dave



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Re: [GNC] any way to make a report of assets?

2021-12-13 Thread Adrien Monteleone

So each asset doesn't have its own account? (that would be much easier)

Otherwise, some reports allow REGEX filters where you can use your own 
custom 'tags' and then report accordingly. But I've only done that with 
specific individual tags, not many tags.


If the assets are aggregated in accounts, you might get close with a 
Transaction Report that shows Description/Memo if the asset 'name' is 
there. Then you could export to a spreadsheet (or copy/paste) and use a 
function to give you a list on that column without duplicates.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/13/21 11:13 AM, John Griessen wrote:


I have equipment assets that are in categories and have contra accounts 
for depreciating them.


Has anyone figured a method to generate a list of assets?

I've not seen any way to automate this, so am considering making a 
spreadsheet of them after giving each one a tag that is entered in each 
transaction involving it.


Any easier ways?


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[GNC] Why do people start new threads?

2021-12-13 Thread flywire
...and Mailman3 provides a forum-like interface with direct replies through
the interface.
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Re: [GNC] Does anyone produce a "UK balance sheet" (FRS 102) ?

2021-12-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 19:16, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> I certainly did not mean to suggest something for the devs to have to
> maintain. This would strictly be a community project, and you'd have to
> add those reports yourself, they should not be included in a default
> install.
>

An interesting idea, and one I think warrants a thread on its own. I will
create a post on such a topic.

This may already exist, but I haven't gone searching, or heard any
> mention of one in 10 years or so.
>
> Some kind souls do post their custom reports to this list occasionally
> however.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>

Dave
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[GNC] A repository for user-contributed files

2021-12-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
This idea came up on another thread, but I thought it sufficiently separate
idea to warrant its own thread.

Would people find it useful to have a repository of user contributed files
(reports etc.)? Does one exist?

If one does not exist, any suggestions on how to maintain one? A groups.io
group could be set up, but the free version of that is now limited to just
100 members, so that's pretty useless. My experience of permitting file
uploads is that it is a PITA due to people attempting to upload nasties.

I could create a sub-domain on

https://kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/

so instead it was https://gnucaseh.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ (that will be
broken now)

Then people email me files and I manually upload them. But that would
become too much of a burden if there were many reports.

Any thoughts on

a) Does one exist?
b) Would many contribute?
c) How to store the files.?
d) Anything else of relevance?

Dave
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Re: [GNC] any way to make a report of assets?

2021-12-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 17:13, John Griessen  wrote:

> I've not seen any way to automate this, so am considering making a
> spreadsheet of them after giving each one a tag that is entered
>

Whatever way you go, ,it's worth getting something like these, to stick on
assets, if they are large enough

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251636443731
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Re: [GNC] Colored account tabs in 4.8 don't show current selection

2021-12-13 Thread AC
I've only added some GTK CSS to control the register colors and to 
control the margin and padding of the tabs so they wouldn't take as much 
space.



The CSS I used is very minimal, this is its extent:

* {
color: white;
}

.gnc-class-user-register-primary {
background-color: #151515;
color: white;
}
.gnc-class-user-register-secondary {
background-color: #252525;
color: white;
}
.gnc-class-user-register-secondary:disabled {
  color: #050505;
}
.gnc-class-user-register-cursor {
  background-color: goldenrod;
  color: black;
  border-radius: 0px;
}

.gnc-class-register-split {
  background-color: #050505;
}

tabs, tab {
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
}

I also did add this setting for GTK to switch to the dark theme:
[Settings]
gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme=true

And that's it.  The blue highlight works fine with the above 
modifications as long as I have not assigned a color to an account.



On 2021-12-12 23:28, David Carlson wrote:

That is interesting, and not the way it used to be in release 3.8.  There
the colored tabs (mine are across the top) all get the blue highlight when
selected and the text of the selected tab is bold while the rest are not.
Did you do any customizing of the color scheme in your machine beyond what
you can do in the preferences?

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:43 AM AC  wrote:


After having gotten the main registers to all use dark themes I tried
using colored tabs for the first time.  That indeed has been helpful to
make it easy to spot particular accounts from a big list of tabs (all
bank accounts are one color, credit cards another, etc.)

But one thing I noticed is that for tabs that do not use color, the
currently selected account tab has a vertical blue bar to its right
(assuming the tabs are aligned on the left side of the screen) and the
shade of the tab changes slightly (i.e. dark gray tabs in the dark theme
turn a slightly lighter shade of gray).

However, when using color for the tabs, the blue bar does not appear
when you select a colored tab.  The color completely overrides
everything so you can't tell at a glance which of the tabs you've selected.

I'll have to go back and drop color from the accounts for now because
it'll be too easy to not notice which account I'm using and start
entering things. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there potentially
a workaround to bring the selector color back while still using colored
account tabs?
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Re: [GNC] A repository for user-contributed files

2021-12-13 Thread Dustin Henning
I don't know if one exists already or not, but assuming no, one path 
forward might be GitHub (or a competing non-Microsoft git service that 
also has a decent web interface).  I am operating under the assumption 
that some such service is free or has a reasonable free tier.  This 
would allow for multiple maintainers and the ability for people to 
submit reports from their own repositories.  It would also allow for 
resuscitation via a fork if all active maintainers stopped contributing 
around the same time.  One big drawback would likely be that GitHub 
doesn't seem very user-friendly for users that aren't in it regularly.


On 12/13/21 3:10 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

This idea came up on another thread, but I thought it sufficiently separate
idea to warrant its own thread.

Would people find it useful to have a repository of user contributed files
(reports etc.)? Does one exist?

If one does not exist, any suggestions on how to maintain one? A groups.io
group could be set up, but the free version of that is now limited to just
100 members, so that's pretty useless. My experience of permitting file
uploads is that it is a PITA due to people attempting to upload nasties.

I could create a sub-domain on

https://kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/

so instead it was https://gnucaseh.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ (that will be
broken now)

Then people email me files and I manually upload them. But that would
become too much of a burden if there were many reports.

Any thoughts on

a) Does one exist?
b) Would many contribute?
c) How to store the files.?
d) Anything else of relevance?

Dave
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Re: [GNC] Colored account tabs in 4.8 don't show current selection

2021-12-13 Thread AC
That was it.  I added padding-right: 5px; to the tabs and the blue bar 
is now visible.


I'm not sure how to change that bar's color since I'd like to do 
something that stands out mroe against the dark gray but at least it's 
there so I know what I've selected.


On 2021-12-13 10:57, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

Your CSS might be at play.

I'm using 4.8 and I have some tabs colored. They show the blue line just 
like the non-colored tabs.


However, I have some padding/margin around these colors, so it looks 
more like a high-lighter effect. (the base color of the tab is still 
visible around the custom color) Perhaps your margin or padding needs to 
be examined, particularly on the right. It might only take a few px to 
expose the blue line.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/13/21 12:42 AM, AC wrote:
After having gotten the main registers to all use dark themes I tried 
using colored tabs for the first time.  That indeed has been helpful 
to make it easy to spot particular accounts from a big list of tabs 
(all bank accounts are one color, credit cards another, etc.)


But one thing I noticed is that for tabs that do not use color, the 
currently selected account tab has a vertical blue bar to its right 
(assuming the tabs are aligned on the left side of the screen) and the 
shade of the tab changes slightly (i.e. dark gray tabs in the dark 
theme turn a slightly lighter shade of gray).


However, when using color for the tabs, the blue bar does not appear 
when you select a colored tab.  The color completely overrides 
everything so you can't tell at a glance which of the tabs you've 
selected.


I'll have to go back and drop color from the accounts for now because 
it'll be too easy to not notice which account I'm using and start 
entering things. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there 
potentially a workaround to bring the selector color back while still 
using colored account tabs?


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Re: [GNC] Colored account tabs in 4.8 don't show current selection

2021-12-13 Thread Adrien Monteleone

That is likely the highlight color of the base theme.

Regards,
Adrien

On 12/13/21 2:40 PM, AC wrote:
That was it.  I added padding-right: 5px; to the tabs and the blue bar 
is now visible.


I'm not sure how to change that bar's color since I'd like to do 
something that stands out mroe against the dark gray but at least it's 
there so I know what I've selected.


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Re: [GNC] A repository for user-contributed files

2021-12-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 20:36, Dustin Henning  wrote:

> I don't know if one exists already or not, but assuming no, one path
> forward might be GitHub (or a competing non-Microsoft git service that
> also has a decent web interface).  I am operating under the assumption
> that some such service is free or has a reasonable free tier.  This
> would allow for multiple maintainers and the ability for people to
> submit reports from their own repositories.  It would also allow for
> resuscitation via a fork if all active maintainers stopped contributing
> around the same time.  One big drawback would likely be that GitHub
> doesn't seem very user-friendly for users that aren't in it regularly.
>

I agree about the user interface to github. There's some alternatives to
github here.

https://itsfoss.com/github-alternatives/

I don't know how you square the circle of allowing multiple people to
upload files, but avoiding rootkits and the like.

If some open-source alternative could be found, it would probably be
possible to run the code on a free AWS instance. if a script was run to

a) Make files read only
b) Strip off the execute bit

it should prevent someone over-writing files, or trying to execute their
code.

Given the size of the files, it should be possible for multiple people to
make backups on a regular basis. So if the maintainer drops dead, no data
is lost.

Dave
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Re: [GNC] Colored account tabs in 4.8 don't show current selection

2021-12-13 Thread davidcousens49
Works fine in GnuCash 4.8 on Linux Mint 20.2 (including whenusing a dark theme).
The blue highlight bar appears under the colored tab when a tab is selected as
the active tab. What OS?

David Cousens

On Sun, 2021-12-12 at 22:42 -0800, AC wrote:
> After having gotten the main registers to all use dark themes I tried 
> using colored tabs for the first time.  That indeed has been helpful to 
> make it easy to spot particular accounts from a big list of tabs (all 
> bank accounts are one color, credit cards another, etc.)
> 
> But one thing I noticed is that for tabs that do not use color, the 
> currently selected account tab has a vertical blue bar to its right 
> (assuming the tabs are aligned on the left side of the screen) and the 
> shade of the tab changes slightly (i.e. dark gray tabs in the dark theme 
> turn a slightly lighter shade of gray).
> 
> However, when using color for the tabs, the blue bar does not appear 
> when you select a colored tab.  The color completely overrides 
> everything so you can't tell at a glance which of the tabs you've selected.
> 
> I'll have to go back and drop color from the accounts for now because 
> it'll be too easy to not notice which account I'm using and start 
> entering things. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there potentially 
> a workaround to bring the selector color back while still using colored 
> account tabs?
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Re: [GNC] Trouble creating this report

2021-12-13 Thread Daniel Torstenson
Bless you! That worked perfectly. The Income Statement (multicolumn) was
exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks!

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:14 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> You want Reports>Experimental>Income Statement (multicolumn)
>
> On the Options>General tab, set the Period Duration to 'One Month' and
> on the Accounts tab, deselect all but the Expense accounts.
>
> You can also add a Total column via "If more than 1 period column,
> include overall period?" on the General Tab.
>
> Additionally, that looks very much like a Budget Report. (but with only
> the 'actuals' columns, not the budget or variance columns)
>
> You'd have to create a Budget to get one to run though. I don't think
> you need to put in any budget figures however. (there is a function to
> estimate them based on transaction history, if you want to play with the
> module anyway) Simply hide the 'budget' and 'variance' columns in the
> report options.
>
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 12/12/21 10:43 PM, Daniel Torstenson wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I'm trying to
> > create a report like the one enclosed. It seems very similar to
> something I
> > can create with the "Transaction Report", but I can't quite get it. So
> this
> > report shows the amount spent in each of the expense subaccounts, broken
> > down by month. But for each higher-level account, it shows the sum of all
> > subaccounts (in bold in the enclosed report).
> >
> > I can set up a Transaction Report to show all the subaccounts, but
> without
> > all the higher-level sums.
> >
> > I figured I could just create two separate reports instead. One that has
> > only the individual subaccounts and one that has only the top-level
> expense
> > accounts (Food, Housing, etc.) But I actually couldn't figure out how to
> do
> > that second report, either. So I'm turning to you. Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks!
>
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Re: [GNC] A repository for user-contributed files

2021-12-13 Thread D. via gnucash-user
Dr. Kirkby,

I appreciate your enthusiasm for this idea. 

I honestly doubt you'll get many contributors. 

When I joined the Gnucash community back in 2006, one of the areas I'd hoped 
for improvement was in reporting, and I raised the issue in the lists. It was 
suggested to me at the time that the tools existed for users to contribute 
their own reports-- and that those reports might then get added to the project. 
I was directed to a guide for programming in Scheme and the Gnucash wiki pages 
for creating one's own custom reports. 

And that's where my dreams of contributing custom reports to gnucash died. 
Writing reports for gnucash in Scheme is hellaciously complicated (no offense, 
Derek!), and most of my energy now has been focused on how to manipulate the 
existing reports to do something close to my goals. 

Judging by the paucity of actual new reports (never mind fixes to existing 
ones, which languished for years and years until Christopher Lam came 
along)(thank you, Chris!!) in the Gnucash stable of reports over the years, I'd 
have to say my own experience is rather common. 

Far more useful, in my opinion, is for users to share their tricks for getting 
gnucash to do their bidding, for which pages on the wiki (such as 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Using_GnuCash) were created to allow. 

Best, 
David T. 



 Original Message 
From: "Dr. David Kirkby" 
Sent: Mon Dec 13 16:52:27 EST 2021
To: Dustin Henning 
Cc: GNU Cash User 
Subject: Re: [GNC] A repository for user-contributed files

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 20:36, Dustin Henning  wrote:

> I don't know if one exists already or not, but assuming no, one path
> forward might be GitHub (or a competing non-Microsoft git service that
> also has a decent web interface).  I am operating under the assumption
> that some such service is free or has a reasonable free tier.  This
> would allow for multiple maintainers and the ability for people to
> submit reports from their own repositories.  It would also allow for
> resuscitation via a fork if all active maintainers stopped contributing
> around the same time.  One big drawback would likely be that GitHub
> doesn't seem very user-friendly for users that aren't in it regularly.
>

I agree about the user interface to github. There's some alternatives to
github here.

https://itsfoss.com/github-alternatives/

I don't know how you square the circle of allowing multiple people to
upload files, but avoiding rootkits and the like.

If some open-source alternative could be found, it would probably be
possible to run the code on a free AWS instance. if a script was run to

a) Make files read only
b) Strip off the execute bit

it should prevent someone over-writing files, or trying to execute their
code.

Given the size of the files, it should be possible for multiple people to
make backups on a regular basis. So if the maintainer drops dead, no data
is lost.

Dave
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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 225, Issue 32

2021-12-13 Thread Kalpesh Patel
I believe double clicking on the right side divider line of a column to
resize best fit for the largest content in that column is known practice in
PC world since ages (I recall being able to do so since text based Lotus 123
times when mouse navigation was introduced in DOS mode) and behavior is
universal on most, if not all, applications on PC. This also holds true for
bottom row divider in most, if not all, applications on PC (at least on
Windows for sure) where it resizes best fit for the highest content size in
that column. 


Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 22:22:01 -0600
From: Adrien Monteleone 
To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to fix zero-length register column?
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

I could be mistaken, but I'm fairly certain you don't have to 'stumble' 
on that 'trick' or any other as it is a designed feature. It should be
documented in Help or the Guide. There is a section devoted to resizing
columns.

There was some work done on setting widths for all 'similar' registers, but
I think it was reverted due to bugs. I think it is still currently available
for Bills/Invoices, however. (by 'similar' registers, I mean by main GnuCash
type, thus, you could set all 'asset' registers with certain particular
column widths, and those widths could be different for 'liability',
'equity', 'income' or 'expense' registers)

Regards,
Adrien

On 12/12/21 6:06 PM, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:
> Thanks, David. Somehow I never stumbled across the double-click trick.
> 
> It resizes to the smaller of the header text or the column contents, 
> so it still makes "Tot Withdrawal" unnecessarily wide, and for some 
> reason on Description it pushes the right-most parts out of the 
> window, introducing a horizontal scroll bar. I think it must assume 
> the window is full screen instead of using the actual window size. But 
> it reduces it to only a couple of columns I need to manually resize, 
> so it's an improvement.
> 
> Now if only it would set all registers at once (at least as an option) 
> and not change them after I set them. Hey, I can dream.
> 
> Ron





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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 225, Issue 32

2021-12-13 Thread Ron Hunter-Duvar
That may be so, but it's news to me. I've been in the tech business for a long 
time, but I've done my best to avoid Windows as much as possible (long boring 
story why I'm on it now). Might work on Linux too for all I know. Most apps 
I've used default to reasonable column widths (including the somewhat dated 
gnucash I was using on Debian until recently).
-- 
Ron

Dec. 13, 2021 18:40:43 Kalpesh Patel :

> I believe double clicking on the right side divider line of a column to
> resize best fit for the largest content in that column is known practice in
> PC world since ages (I recall being able to do so since text based Lotus 123
> times when mouse navigation was introduced in DOS mode) and behavior is
> universal on most, if not all, applications on PC. This also holds true for
> bottom row divider in most, if not all, applications on PC (at least on
> Windows for sure) where it resizes best fit for the highest content size in
> that column.
> 
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 22:22:01 -0600
> From: Adrien Monteleone 
> To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] How to fix zero-length register column?
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> I could be mistaken, but I'm fairly certain you don't have to 'stumble'
> on that 'trick' or any other as it is a designed feature. It should be
> documented in Help or the Guide. There is a section devoted to resizing
> columns.
> 
> There was some work done on setting widths for all 'similar' registers, but
> I think it was reverted due to bugs. I think it is still currently available
> for Bills/Invoices, however. (by 'similar' registers, I mean by main GnuCash
> type, thus, you could set all 'asset' registers with certain particular
> column widths, and those widths could be different for 'liability',
> 'equity', 'income' or 'expense' registers)
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 12/12/21 6:06 PM, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:
>> Thanks, David. Somehow I never stumbled across the double-click trick.
>> 
>> It resizes to the smaller of the header text or the column contents,
>> so it still makes "Tot Withdrawal" unnecessarily wide, and for some
>> reason on Description it pushes the right-most parts out of the
>> window, introducing a horizontal scroll bar. I think it must assume
>> the window is full screen instead of using the actual window size. But
>> it reduces it to only a couple of columns I need to manually resize,
>> so it's an improvement.
>> 
>> Now if only it would set all registers at once (at least as an option)
>> and not change them after I set them. Hey, I can dream.
>> 
>> Ron
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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 225, Issue 32

2021-12-13 Thread Ron Hunter-Duvar
Most apps also have those items on right click menus. And double clicks are a 
major contributor/exacerbater of repetitive stress injuries, so I avoid them as 
much as possible.
-- 
Ron

Dec. 13, 2021 18:45:47 Kalpesh Patel :

> That may be so, but it's news to me. I've been in the tech business for a 
> long time, but I've done my best to avoid Windows as much as possible (long 
> boring story why I'm on it now). Might work on Linux too for all I know. Most 
> apps I've used default to reasonable column widths (including the somewhat 
> dated gnucash I was using on Debian until recently).
> -- 
> Ron
> 
> Dec. 13, 2021 18:40:43 Kalpesh Patel :
> 
>> I believe double clicking on the right side divider line of a column to
>> resize best fit for the largest content in that column is known practice in
>> PC world since ages (I recall being able to do so since text based Lotus 123
>> times when mouse navigation was introduced in DOS mode) and behavior is
>> universal on most, if not all, applications on PC. This also holds true for
>> bottom row divider in most, if not all, applications on PC (at least on
>> Windows for sure) where it resizes best fit for the highest content size in
>> that column.
>> 
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 22:22:01 -0600
>> From: Adrien Monteleone 
>> To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
>> Subject: Re: [GNC] How to fix zero-length register column?
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> I could be mistaken, but I'm fairly certain you don't have to 'stumble'
>> on that 'trick' or any other as it is a designed feature. It should be
>> documented in Help or the Guide. There is a section devoted to resizing
>> columns.
>> 
>> There was some work done on setting widths for all 'similar' registers, but
>> I think it was reverted due to bugs. I think it is still currently available
>> for Bills/Invoices, however. (by 'similar' registers, I mean by main GnuCash
>> type, thus, you could set all 'asset' registers with certain particular
>> column widths, and those widths could be different for 'liability',
>> 'equity', 'income' or 'expense' registers)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>> 
>> On 12/12/21 6:06 PM, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:
>>> Thanks, David. Somehow I never stumbled across the double-click trick.
>>> 
>>> It resizes to the smaller of the header text or the column contents,
>>> so it still makes "Tot Withdrawal" unnecessarily wide, and for some
>>> reason on Description it pushes the right-most parts out of the
>>> window, introducing a horizontal scroll bar. I think it must assume
>>> the window is full screen instead of using the actual window size. But
>>> it reduces it to only a couple of columns I need to manually resize,
>>> so it's an improvement.
>>> 
>>> Now if only it would set all registers at once (at least as an option)
>>> and not change them after I set them. Hey, I can dream.
>>> 
>>> Ron
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Re: [GNC] Colored account tabs in 4.8 don't show current selection

2021-12-13 Thread AC
Yeah, the inspector didn't help me much to find that so I'm probably 
just not going to worry about it.  I tried the one thing I thought was 
correct from the inspector output and it didn't change.


On 2021-12-13 12:46, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

That is likely the highlight color of the base theme.

Regards,
Adrien

On 12/13/21 2:40 PM, AC wrote:
That was it.  I added padding-right: 5px; to the tabs and the blue bar 
is now visible.


I'm not sure how to change that bar's color since I'd like to do 
something that stands out mroe against the dark gray but at least it's 
there so I know what I've selected.


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