Re: [fpc-pascal] Import Pascal record function to C
> > On 10/31/05, Marco van de Voort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Runtime library initialising might also be a problem if the DLL uses > > > complex > > > stuff internally? > > > > What do you mean by complex? > > Anything that needs stuff in the RTL initialised. Since this includes > heapmanagement this affects a lot. (like ansistring usage) > > Can maybe get solved relatively easy btw (like a call to the DLL init code) So you mean automated types, stringlists, and what not? At least in my case, I will just be using just portable stuff like Pchars, arrays, bools, longints, and simple stuff like that. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
>It's a major issue. In here, we're having a serious programmer >shortage. One of the coolest things about Lazarus is that it could >allow us to hire people that comes from a Windows/Delphi background >and integrate them into our Whatever/Linux enviroment. The problem is >that not everyone is capable of writing correct (in terms of grammar >and spelling) english code documentation. >I have nearly 600k lines of Delphi code that was extensively >documented in Spanish. I don't want to rewrite the whole documentation >just because of a bug! Have to tried translation tools? I have converted many Russian source code help files from the KOL project into English using PROMT translator online. Once in a while you get a funny translation like "I hit the code twice before she compiled me". But most of it is pretty good and pretty legible, and A LOT more automated than doing it manually. Translators like alta vista or babelfish are not nearly as good as PROMT. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
>Well, I am aware of the fact that a visual design environment like lazarus >(and delphi and VB), it's easy to fall into the trap to base your backend >design on the GUI design. If Eclipse or KDevelop have a solution for this >problem, then I'd like to hear it, but if they "solve" the problem by not >being a visual design environment at all, the complete point is moot; then >it's really unfair to say they're better because they *lack* features :-). > >Micha Which is why again all that needs to be done is simply the programmer needs to ignore the component palette, ignore Form1, and write everything from scratch in these cases if he wants to. Just because Emacs has a crumby and slow textbased tetris games in it, doesn't mean you have to use them either. It's just their for your convenience (yes, I'd hate to see games inside Lazarus). ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
Elio Cuevas Gómez wrote: (and delphi and VB), it's easy to fall into the trap to base your backend design on the GUI design. If Eclipse or KDevelop have a solution for this Well, i never said these were better than Lazarus (in fact this is the first time i even mention them in this list). For me Eclipse is a resource hog and Yes, sorry, I replied to the wrong message, I was trying to get a response from Agustin, not necessarily from you; he did make the Eclipse comparison, and he said he liked that IDE better for OO stuff. But maybe that's because the unicode works and there is better refactoring (please be more specific, Agustin?) ? Micha ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:03:09 -0800 Team Z505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Well, I am aware of the fact that a visual design environment like > >lazarus (and delphi and VB), it's easy to fall into the trap to base your > >backend design on the GUI design. If Eclipse or KDevelop have a solution > >for this problem, then I'd like to hear it, but if they "solve" the > >problem by not being a visual design environment at all, the complete > >point is moot; then it's really unfair to say they're better because they > >*lack* features :-). > > > >Micha > > Which is why again all that needs to be done is simply the programmer > needs to ignore the component palette, ignore Form1, I added menu items to hide the component palette and speed buttons. See View -> View Component Palette The IDE bar is not yet resized automatically. Use custom positions in the environment options. > and write everything > from scratch in these cases if he wants to. Just because Emacs has a > crumby and slow textbased tetris games in it, doesn't mean you have to use > them either. It's just their for your convenience (yes, I'd hate to see > games inside Lazarus). Too bad. With the IDEIntf it is possible to add them. Mattias ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
On 10/31/05, Team Z505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have to tried translation tools? I have converted many Russian source code > help files from > the KOL project into English using PROMT translator online. Once in a while > you get a funny > translation like "I hit the code twice before she compiled me". But most of > it is pretty > good and pretty legible, and A LOT more automated than doing it manually. > > Translators like alta vista or babelfish are not nearly as good as PROMT. > That'll be nice if I WANTED to translate it to english. There's a very good reason why the code was written in spanish in the first place: El programa va a ser liberado con licencia GPL, pero si alguien quiere usarlo, sera mejor que comience a estudiar español desde ahora. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
Agustin Barto wrote: On 10/31/05, Team Z505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Have to tried translation tools? I have converted many Russian source code help files from the KOL project into English using PROMT translator online. Once in a while you get a funny translation like "I hit the code twice before she compiled me". But most of it is pretty good and pretty legible, and A LOT more automated than doing it manually. Translators like alta vista or babelfish are not nearly as good as PROMT. That'll be nice if I WANTED to translate it to english. There's a very good reason why the code was written in spanish in the first place: El programa va a ser liberado con licencia GPL, pero si alguien quiere usarlo, sera mejor que comience a estudiar español desde ahora. I don't understand why a user should learn spanish. User and program maintainer are two different entities, even for GPL released programs. Vincent. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
On 11/1/05, Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, sorry, I replied to the wrong message, I was trying to get a > response from Agustin, not necessarily from you; he did make the Eclipse > comparison, and he said he liked that IDE better for OO stuff. But maybe > that's because the unicode works and there is better refactoring (please > be more specific, Agustin?) ? The answer is very simple: I can code faster. Eclipse is a code-centric IDE (at least for the Java's views) with a lot of very useful features to speed up the coding/refactoring process. Lazarus, in that sense, is as good as Delphi; with source code management tools that are a little simplistic (not entirely a bad thing). That may be enough for a lot of people, but it certainly isn't for me. Of course this comparison means absolutely nothing given that we're talking about completely different programming languages like ObjectPascal (and the various fpc supported dialects) and Java (and/or C++). Also I'm comparing a tool that's backed up huge corporations against one that's developed with no corporate sponsorship (AFAIK). At the end of the day it all comes down to which tool generates better profit margins (I could say something about NetBeans vs Eclipse, but that would be way off-topic). For my personal projects I don't have a problem with Lazarus, or any other IDE/RADs, as long as their "fun" to use (Lazarus is) and free (speech). ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
On 11/1/05, Vincent Snijders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't understand why a user should learn spanish. User and program > maintainer are two different entities, even for GPL released programs. You guys are missing the point the problem was never about the users needing to read a language, but about programmers needing to write comments on their own language. And no, I won´t comment in english. Right now I just forget the á à ê and substitute them by a and e. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Learning new things in an imperfect world
David Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am having trouble getting a standard top-of-the-page menu system > to > work properly in Lazarus (Version 0.9.10 beta downloaded a few > weeks ago). I think you'll get more help with this on the Lazarus mailing list. I think when you get results that don't make sense... like compiling an example program and having it not work properly, then you don't need to assume it is your own ignorance. > --The strange thing is that when I exit the Lazarus development > environment and run the exe file, they all (the example program and > my > test programs) work flawlessly. The problem seems to be in Lazarus > > being able to run its own code. The problem of paths isn't unique to Lazarus ... I've had similar problems in the old BP IDE. And again the folks on the Lazarus mailing list will be better equipped to lend a hand. -Alan ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Learning new things in an imperfect world
I'am the newbiest newbie in the known galaxy. I've experimented the same problem: I can't run my program inside Lazarus (pressing F9). But, I can (and I do) just compile it (ctrl+F9), and run it from console (linux), or just doubleclick it (windows). Imho, this is not an important problem. My program compiles fine, and works fine, in both Linux and Windows. With the SAME SOURCE CODE !!. This is the important thing, imnsho. Freepascal is an excelent compiler. I use it since 1.0.4 , and all my DOS legacy code run now on linux (dos, windows etc). Excuse my english. Inpromptu > > I am having trouble getting a standard top-of-the-page menu system > to work properly in Lazarus (Version 0.9.10 beta downloaded a few > weeks ago). > > --I am able to construct the menu, put in events, etc. using the > tools in Lazarus, however at run time it locks up. I click on the > menu item (such as File or Edit, etc.) and instead of dropping down > the sub menus, the program locks up. > --I tried a simple test program with no frills: just a menu, a > single menu item, and a sub menu. I double clicked the submenu > item to create stub code for a handler. Same result. If there are > several menu items with no sub-menus, there is no problem, however. > --I also tried one of the example programs that comes with Lazarus. > Same result. The error message I get when I stop the program is > "Project raised external exception class 'Externals: SIGSEGV'". I > tried stepping through the program with the debugger. What I got > were various messages saying Lazarus couldn't find different inc > files. It gave me an opportunity to supply my own path, so after > searching around I provided a path (C:\lazarus\fpcsrc\rtl\inc\...), > after which it kept working until it came to another missing inc > file. > --The strange thing is that when I exit the Lazarus development > environment and run the exe file, they all (the example program and > my test programs) work flawlessly. The problem seems to be in > Lazarus being able to run its own code. > > My frustration in trying to learn Delphi-like programming in an > imperfect environment is I can never tell whether it is my own > ignorance or a flaw in the system that is creating the problems. I > am using Mastering Delphi 6 as one guide and any online docs and > tutorials I can find. Beyond that I have to ask stupid questions > and hope for your patience. It seems that if anyone has created > anything of value with Lazarus they must surely have been able to > create menus, so I assume I am doing something stupid, but all the > recent discussion of the immaturity of the Lazarus IDE makes me > wonder. I would like to hear from anyone who has successfully > navigated these waters. I will probably have a few more problems > like this in getting up and running. (I am a successful > self-taught DOS Borland Pascal programmer from the 1980's but never > used Delphi.) If anyone who knows FPC/Lazarus well would be > willing to correspond with me directly to help me get over these > initial hurdles I would be able to spare the rest of you from > hearing my newbie woes. My direct email is david at davidchandler > dot com. > > --David Chandler > ___ > fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org > http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal -- ___ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Suggested bug fix.
Bug fix to the BGI compatibility stuff. Line 81, in "gtext.inc" in the "rtl\inc\graph" directory, needs to be the following: opcodes = (_END_OF_CHAR, _DO_SCAN, _DRAW = 253, _MOVE = 254 ); This is so that it can properly read the old Borland BGI font files with line drawn fonts. The original line (at least in V. 2.0.0) had just the default values and "_MOVE" was before "_DRAW" so that "_MOVE" was 2 and "_DRAW" was 3. When I made this change, my program went from displaying nothing to displaying the proper fonts. Hope this helps. Lowell C. Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
>That'll be nice if I WANTED to translate it to english. There's a very >good reason why the code was written in spanish in the first place: El >programa va a ser liberado con licencia GPL, pero si alguien quiere >usarlo, sera mejor que comience a estudiar español desde ahora. The internet uses english as the standard language. That is why I use it. If it is proven that some other language should be used as the internet language, then I will use it. I do enjoy the upside down question marks in spanish, as they help me locate questions in articles easier (BEGIN and END of question). ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
El Mar 01 Nov 2005 15:00, L505 escribió: > >That'll be nice if I WANTED to translate it to english. There's a very > >good reason why the code was written in spanish in the first place: El > >programa va a ser liberado con licencia GPL, pero si alguien quiere > >usarlo, sera mejor que comience a estudiar español desde ahora. > > The internet uses english as the standard language. That is why I use it. > If it is proven that some other language should be used as the internet > language, then I will use it. I do enjoy the upside down question marks in > spanish, as they help me locate questions in articles easier (BEGIN and END > of question). > Really? What's that standard, ihaven't read it :-). For a GPL program is a good idea to document it in English if you want help from developers not speaking your language. The rest of the time, English stinks. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
>Really? What's that standard, ihaven't read it :-). http://z505.com/cgi-bin/qkcont/qkcont.cgi?p=English-Internet-Standard >For a GPL program is a good idea to document it in English if you want help >from developers not speaking your language. The rest of the time, English >stinks. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Suggested bug fix.
Lowell C. Savage wrote: > Bug fix to the BGI compatibility stuff. > > Line 81, in "gtext.inc" in the "rtl\inc\graph" directory, needs to be > the following: > > > opcodes = (_END_OF_CHAR, _DO_SCAN, _DRAW = 253, _MOVE = 254 ); > > > This is so that it can properly read the old Borland BGI font files with > line drawn fonts. Applied, thx. > > The original line (at least in V. 2.0.0) had just the default values and > "_MOVE" was before "_DRAW" so that "_MOVE" was 2 and "_DRAW" was 3. > When I made this change, my program went from displaying nothing to > displaying the proper fonts. > > Hope this helps. > > Lowell C. Savage > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org > http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal > ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] File locking/protection in Linux
How can be avoided in Linux the file corruption due to simultaneous write access from two different process? Or how can it be avoided to access the same file by two different process? I experienced a few (but painful) data loss due to this problem, and I'm unable to solve the problem. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] File locking/protection in Linux
> How can be avoided in Linux the file corruption due to simultaneous write > access from two different process? > Or how can it be avoided to access the same file by two different process? > I experienced a few (but painful) data loss due to this problem, and I'm > unable to solve the problem. The Pascal Server Pages project has a unit in it that allows this if you are interested. It is not specific to Pascal Server Pages as far as I know. Basically how it works is a simple time delay is put on the file until it is free again. You can check FileShare.pp if you are intersted in a file locking read/write method. SVN: https://opensvn.csie.org/pspcgi/psp-1.5.x-devel/src/fileshare.pp For documentation on how those units would be used, check: http://z505.com/cgi-bin/psp/docs/1.4.1/psp_doc_i.cgi?p=mod.fileshare.html Again, these units and documentation were written with regards to CGI programming. However, file sharing is not specific to cgi programming of course! ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
On 11/1/05, L505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The internet uses english as the standard language. That is why I use it. If > it is proven > that some other language should be used as the internet language, then I will > use it. I do > enjoy the upside down question marks in spanish, as they help me locate > questions in > articles easier (BEGIN and END of question). > Yeah sure, and russian characters make killer smileys :) The code for this program is in spanish because it is intended to be used by researchers (basically it is an implementation of a method for which there isn't any free implementation). The language choice is only a matter of principles, it has nothing to do with any technical reason, in fact I think spanish is a lousy language to use for coding (it's too verbose and it's hard to get meaningful abbreviations). I'd like to apologize to anyone that might have gotten offended by any of my comments, it really wasn't my intention. It also wasn't my intention to undermine the work of Lazarus' and fpc's developers. All I can say is I'm sorry and thank you for providing us with a great compiler and one of the very few integrated multi-platform free (speech) RADs. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
>The code for this program is in spanish because it is intended to be >used by researchers (basically it is an implementation of a method for >which there isn't any free implementation). The language choice is >only a matter of principles, it has nothing to do with any technical I think there isa unicode version of synedit and it probably wouldn't take too much work to get it working for freepascal "Unicode Version: Actually into CVS there is available a UNICODE Version of synedit, snapshots are available here" I'm not experienced with unicode myself, but is this what you are looking for? ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration
On 11/1/05, L505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think there isa unicode version of synedit and it probably wouldn't take > too much work to > get it working for freepascal > > "Unicode Version: Actually into CVS there is available a UNICODE Version of > synedit, > snapshots are available here" > > I'm not experienced with unicode myself, but is this what you are looking for? > The problem is not with fpc. In fact the only thing I had to do what to get the Delphi code to compile was shorten some method names. I'm using Emacs and JEdit to code Pascal, so type Unicode (or iso8859-1) is not a problem. The problem was that I can't type any composed character (like á é ü) on Lazarus. As someone already corrected me, this problem isn't related to unicode, but with a gtk+ bug (or something like that). ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] File locking/protection in Linux
without looking at what the PSP code is doing ... an article on this subject, specific to file locking on linux ... http://lists.jammed.com/ISN/2003/06/0104.html Tony On 11/1/05, L505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How can be avoided in Linux the file corruption due to simultaneous write > > access from two different process? > > Or how can it be avoided to access the same file by two different process? > > I experienced a few (but painful) data loss due to this problem, and I'm > > unable to solve the problem. > > > The Pascal Server Pages project has a unit in it that allows this if you are > interested. It > is not specific to Pascal Server Pages as far as I know. > > Basically how it works is a simple time delay is put on the file until it is > free again. > You can check FileShare.pp if you are intersted in a file locking read/write > method. > > SVN: > https://opensvn.csie.org/pspcgi/psp-1.5.x-devel/src/fileshare.pp > > For documentation on how those units would be used, check: > http://z505.com/cgi-bin/psp/docs/1.4.1/psp_doc_i.cgi?p=mod.fileshare.html > > Again, these units and documentation were written with regards to CGI > programming. However, > file sharing is not specific to cgi programming of course! > ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
