from:"hans"

Hi!

What is the purpose of RSS icon, see
https://www.debian.org/security/index.en.html Earlier it linked to
https://www.debian.org/security/dsa That page is not an RSS-feed. So maybe
two things have happened:

1) The RSS icon lost it's link
2) The RSS-feed has a new URL

Don't know - just guessing.

Hans

Repeated text - in general and for security

Hi!

english/lts/security/index.wml and english/security/dsa.wml has a block of
repeated text as the comment in lts/security/index.wml clearly states.

How do we properly fix this - here and in general? In Norwegian, I have
created _sub_some_topic.data (with the common text) and included them where
relevant. Is this the proper webml way? Does it break translation stats or
other tooling?

Hans

Re: Repeated text - in general and for security

Nice.

I was curious if other file extensions could / should be used. ".data" is
kind of misleading for sub parts of wml files, but using ".wml" doesn't
work I assume - it will create new pages.

Hans

man. 30. okt. 2023 kl. 12:02 skrev Thomas Lange :

> Hi Hans,
>
> yes, using an include should be the proper way IMO. I guess the
> translations
> could also use an include. I'll try to work on the english version in
> the next few days.
>
> >>>>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 10:25:48 +0100, Hans Fredrik Nordhaug <
> han...@gmail.com> said:
>
> > Hi!
> > english/lts/security/index.wml and english/security/dsa.wml has a
> block of repeated text as the comment in lts/security/index.wml clearly
> > states.
>
> > How do we properly fix this - here and in general? In Norwegian, I
> have created _sub_some_topic.data (with the common text) and included
> > them where relevant. Is this the proper webml way? Does it break
> translation stats or other tooling?
>
> --
> regards Thomas
>
>

Re: Security RSS icon

You didn't reply to the first part of my question - that the RSS icon no
longer links to anything. That is probably not intentional.

Yes, I think you should consider renaming the new page. You are correct
that with the correct user agent, you do indeed get the RSS / RDF feed.
However, it's confusing and not very common to have the same URL for the
feed as for the web page.

Regards,
Hans

man. 30. okt. 2023 kl. 21:41 skrev Thomas Lange :

> >>>>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 10:22:38 +0100, Hans Fredrik Nordhaug <
> han...@gmail.com> said:
>
> > Hi!
> > What is the purpose of RSS icon, see
> https://www.debian.org/security/index.en.html Earlier it linked to
> > https://www.debian.org/security/dsa That page is not an RSS-feed.
> So maybe two things have happened:
>
> https://www.debian.org/security/dsa is still the RSS feed if you
> download it for e.g. using wget. I guess you get the web page only if
> you are using a browser, which sends some language negotiation information.
>
> The problem seems to be that we now have a dsa.en.html and dsa.en.rdf
> file in the directory and our apache send different files depending on
> the client. So my naming of the new web page (dsa.wml) was choosen
> badly.
> We can easily rename dsa.wml and ../../lts/security/dla.wml
> if it causes too many problems.
> --
> regards Thomas
>

Re: Security RSS icon

2023-11-15 Thread Hans Fredrik Nordhaug

Hi!

I'm a happy user of the Feedly RSS reader and I have tested the new feeds.
Looks fine to me.

Hans

ons. 15. nov. 2023 kl. 13:41 skrev Laura Arjona Reina :

> Hi Thomas
>
> I don't use RSS to get the DSA info, but I have compared the current
> feeds with the proposed ones in an online viewer and I see the new ones
> as improvement, thanks!
>
> Note that I only looked at feeds themselves, not at the code generating
> them.
>
> I think that losing the translated feeds is a minor issue, because in
> addition of what you say, usually translations are published later, so
> the feed readers will get the new items in English anyway, and the "Read
> more" links send the reader to the web so they benefit of content
> negotiation if there is translation of that particular DSA.
>
> I don't know if it would be nice to get feedback from a wider audience
> than the web team (not sure how many people use RSS readers among us).
>
> Kind regards,
>
> El 15/11/23 a las 12:58, Thomas Lange escribió:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've reimplemented the generation of the RSS feeds. It would be nice
> > if you could try to use the new feeds and send some feedback.
> > The URL are
> > https://www.debian.org/security/newdsa.rdf
> > https://www.debian.org/security/newdsa-long.rdf
> >
> > The new feeds now include links to the original announcement
> > mail. This is a feature we do not provide yet in the feeds.
> > The security feeds will only be available in english. But we do not
> > need translations, because except for french we only translate the title
> of the feed
> > chanel but neither the title nor content of the feed items.
> >
> > This change is one more step to get rid of the need for manually
> > creating a web page for each DSA and DLA in the future.
> >
> >
> > The URLs the the new feeds are only for a test period. If everything
> > works, I will rename them to the dsa.XX.rdf and dsa-long.XX.rdf names,
> > so the users will get the new feeds without changing anything.
> >
> > The new feeds are created by the script mk-dsa-dla-list
>
> --
> Laura Arjona Reina
> https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjona
>
>

Re: plan to remove translations with only few pages

2023-11-15 Thread Hans Fredrik Nordhaug

tor. 16. nov. 2023 kl. 05:00 skrev Thomas Lange :

> Hi all,
>
> there are some languages which only have a very few web pages
> translated:
>
> [cut]
> I suggest to have a bare minimum of pages translated, for e.g. the
> startpage and some pages on level 2 of the web hierarchy, maybe the
> download page should be mandatory.
>
> What's your oppinion about removing those translations which are
> just useless?
>

+1 for removal and a requirement along the lines suggested.

Hans

Re: po statistics

2023-11-17 Thread Hans Fredrik Nordhaug

Hi!

This is the PO statistics for Debian packages, not website translations. To
fix the list, packages need to be fixed - translations for "spoken in"
merged with the language were natural. (Like "nb_NO" merged with "nb".)

The unknown languages are plain bugs, I think - for example bos_XX" caused
by wrong filenames in the language directory of the software - see
https://codeberg.org/boswars/boswars/src/branch/master/languages (The file
"bos-de.po" should be named just "de.po" for example.)

Sorry if all of this was clear for everyone.

Regards, Hans

fre. 17. nov. 2023 kl. 11:45 skrev Thomas Lange :

> Hi all,
>
> currently I'm looking at the po statistics. I think I do not understand
> much of it, but I wonder why so many statistics are generated.
> If I look at
> /srv/www.debian.org/www/international/l10n/po
> I see more than 9400 html files. Wow!
> We provide the "Status of PO files for language code: de — German " in
> 15 different languages (ls de.*.html) and all german files (including
> de_*.*.html) are 112. What is this good for?
> I'll just pick one:
> de_PY.nl.html is
> "Toestand van de PO-bestanden voor de taalcode: de_PY — German
> @tmpl_lang@ndash; Paraguay "
> who needs this?
>
>
> First, why is the list of languages on page
> https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/
> so long? Shouldn't we just list the main lagnuages, without it's variants?
> Should we ignore all "Unknown language"?
>
> Let's look at these three:
> https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/log
> https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/log_DE
> https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/man_DE
>
> They list some packages for which
> "translation is underway" or "already translated".
> Fine.
>
> But why do we then add a long list of package names under the section
> "Packages already i18n-ed"
> "These packages are translated in other languages, and then could be
> translated into your own language. "
>
>
> And at the end of the web page we list again all languages, same list
> as on the top of the page.
>
>
> I like to know which information is really needed for the translators
> then I'll try to fix the Makefile to get rid of the unneeded files.
> --
> regards Thomas
>
>

Re: po statistics

2023-11-19 Thread Hans Fredrik Nordhaug

søn. 19. nov. 2023 kl. 18:18 skrev Holger Wansing :

> Hi,
>
> [cut]
>
> This is a page specific for translators, and the workflow in Debian is
> "translate from English to ".
>
> So, we should expect that every person viewing this page is capable of
> reading/speaking English!
>
> Therefore, I propose to remove all translations of these pages! It is
> enough, if they are only existing in English.
>

 I guess you are correct.

There might be some value to get the translation stats for a specific
language in that language. Take Swedish as an  example:
https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/sv.sv.html might be useful,
but https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/sv.de.html is completely
useless.

I guess all the cross combinations of translated stat pages come for "free"
as part of the translation of the web pages in general, but I agree that it
is a waste of resources.

Regards, Hans (Norwegian)

Re: po statistics

2023-11-19 Thread Hans Fredrik Nordhaug

søn. 19. nov. 2023 kl. 21:58 skrev Holger Wansing :

> Hi,
>
> Am 17. November 2023 11:44:22 MEZ schrieb Thomas Lange <
> la...@cs.uni-koeln.de>:
> [cut]
> >First, why is the list of languages on page
> >https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/
> >so long? Shouldn't we just list the main lagnuages, without it's variants?
> >Should we ignore all "Unknown language"?
>
> I also had similar thoughts in the past.
>

As I posted earlier the "Unknown languages" are caused by bugs in packages
AFAICT. Please just ignore them.

Hans

Re: upcoming changes of the web pages /security and /lts/security

2023-12-27 Thread Hans Fredrik Nordhaug

Hi!

This looks great, but it would be nice if the list of "Recent Advisories"
(dsa.list) was translated - maybe using PO files? Currently the entries are
untranslated. Example:

[*24 Dec 2023*] T DSA-5588-1 putty *security update*

It would be nice if the date was translated and the common categories like
"security update".

Regards, Hans

man. 25. des. 2023 kl. 22:33 skrev Thomas Lange :

> Hi all,
>
> as announced on Dec 7th, I have now removed the old index.wml files
> and renamed new.wml to index.wml in the webwml repository under
> security/ and lts/security/.
>
> =
> IMPORTANT
> =
> Now the security team and the LTS team do not need to manually prepare
> a .wml and .data file for each advisory.
> Please stop creating those files for new advisories.
> =
>
> For the translators:
> Please stop translating old advisories.
> We still have to adjust the translation headers because of the
> renaming from new.wml to index.wml.
>
> A hint for the languages which did not had a translation for new.wml
> until now. Here are some more infos, how I created the new.wml files:
>
>   english/security/new.wml is a copy of english/security/index.wml with
> some changes.
>   You will see the change history (including a rename from dsa.wml to
> new.wml) by
> $ git log -p --follow 3160b3931961~1.. index.wml
>
>   For lts/security/new.wml use
> $ git log -p --follow a1010f1cb6fd~1.. index.wml
>
>
>
> I still need to do some cleanup and check if everything works.
> The new index.wml files are not yet created yet but this will be done
> in the next hours.
>
> --
> best regards Thomas
>
>

Re: Removed pages under /releases/

2024-01-25 Thread Hans Fredrik Nordhaug

I'm top-posting since the message has become very long:

1) Removing translations (in general) without discussion is very
demotivating. It makes you think why bother translating debian.org at
all. You can always use the integrated translator in your browser.
(Maybe we should stop doing this and rather link to the preferred
translation service, but that is a different discussion.)

2) Removing translations, but keeping the English content is even more
demotivating. In this particular case, I don't mind removing the
release notes, but I think the release information should have be
preserved - for example in Norwegian:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230404193832/https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/index.nb.html
This is something we could have discussed.

3) Regarding search: I don't see how the search improves very much by
removing old translated pages. If someone searches for "Debian Release
information", they don't get any hits for translated pages - for
example "Debian utgivelsesinformasjon".

Finally, I think translators focus on the main content without someone
removing old stuff :-)

I'm not angry or upset, and I don't need to discuss my points above -
it's just my opinion.

And, Thomas, I do appreciate the work you do to clean up the scripts
and the website.

Regards, Hans - who does a lousy job translating debian.org to Norwegian

ons. 24. jan. 2024 kl. 13:05 skrev Andreas Ronnquist :
>
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:45:46 +0100,
> Thomas Lange wrote:
>
> (First, no need to CC me, I read the list) -
>
> >Hi Andreas,
> >
> >another reason that I forgot was that we had too many versions of the
> >installmanual and the release notes. For many old releases we've kept
> >them in 14 languages for every architecture (around 10) for each old release.
> >E.g.:
> >https://web.archive.org/web/20230625201750/https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes
> >https://web.archive.org/web/20230625201754/https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual
[cut]

Our company at lists.debian.org

2016-02-01 Thread MrHostman - Hans Korpershoek


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had been changed from BB-Hosting into MrHostman. Our office is not located in 
'Montfoort' amymore. but in 'Alphen aan den Rijn'. Also the site url had been 
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bb-hosting.eu is not ours anymore.

For these reasons we ask you to modify our company name BB-Hosting into 
MrHostman. The link for MrHostman is https://www.mrhostman.nl. Please also 
correct our location from Montfoort into Alphen aan den Rijn.

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AfD für Erhaltung des demokratischen Rechtsstaates

2016-09-08 Thread Dr. Hans Penner

Offener Brief - Ihre Adresse wurde nicht gespeichert

Dipl.-Chem. Dr. rer. nat. Hans Penner, 76351 Linkenheim-Hochstetten

Frau Bundeskanzler Dr. Angela Merkel

Frau Dr. Merkel,
Sie polemisieren gegen die demokratische Partei AfD und versuchen, den
Bundestag gegen diese Partei aufzuwiegeln. Hierbei mißachten Sie die Realitäten:
1. Die Islamkritik der AfD ist berechtigt. Keine andere Parlamentspartei bringt
zur Sprache, daß der Islam die UN-Menschenrechte-Charta, also die Grundlage
unserer Demokratie, bekämpft (

siehe hier http://www.islamdebatte.de/konfliktfelder/menschenrechte-im-islam/

). Konsequent demokratisch ist deshalb nur die AfD.
2. Die Islamkritik der AfD ist berechtigt, weil es in der Judenfeindlichkeit
des Islam eine Übereinstimmung mit dem Nationalsozialismus gibt. Adolf Hitler
war ein begeisterter Bewunderer des Islam (

siehe hier http://www.fachinfo.eu/fi144.pdf

). Folglich stehen die übrigen Parlamentsparteien dem Nationalsozialismus näher
als die AfD.
3. Die Islamkritik der AfD berechtigt, weil der Islam mit dem Grundgesetz
unvereinbar ist. Islam ist die Unterwerfung unter die Lehre des Mohammed, die
im Koran unabänderlich festgelegt ist. Der Koran verbietet die Inanspruchnahme
von Religionsfreiheit und fordert die Tötung von Nichtmoslems (

siehe hier). Verfassungswidrig haben Sie den Islam legitimiert (

siehe hier
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/bundeskanzlerin-merkel-verteidigt-muslime-gegen-afd-angriff-14185408.html

).
Dieses Schreiben sollte verbreitet werden. Belastbare Gegenargumente sind nicht
zu erwarten.
In der Hoffnung auf die Erhaltung unseres demokratischen Rechtsstaates
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Index page included debianday.js from external source for some hours

2011-08-18 Thread Hans F. Nordhaug

Hi,

I just noticed that for some hours the debian index page included
http://homes.dcc.ufba.br/~caiosba/debianday/debianday.js - ref 
http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/index.wml?r1=1.86&r2=1.87
(Or maybe the change never went live?)

I don't object to including some (harmless) JS code, but shouldn't 
it rather be put on the debian server so we don't open for attacks
(through third party web sites)?

Regards,
Hans


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packages still compromised?

2003-12-21 Thread Hans Peter Verne

Accessing eg. http://packages.debian.org/stable/ :

"packages.debian.org is down at the moment."

And it has been so for a while.  Is it still compromised or
down for some other real reason, or is this simply an oversight?


Keep up the good work, and a merry christmas to you all!
regards,
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Bug#440641: gnuab explained?

2007-10-31 Thread Hans-Georg Bork

Hi,

unfortunately I am unable to find the mentioned explanation out of d-d-a
(I'm not subscribed) and $searchengine is also no help here.

In order to have that information before this bug is going to be closed,
please put that explanation into this bugreport.

Thanks and regards
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Info on this site

2007-11-08 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich

Dear webmasters and maintainers,
please apologize my disturbance, but I would like to ask you, why important 
debian related messages are never shown on the homepages.

What I mean with "important messages" ?

Well, I think, if a debian server would have been compromised, this should be 
appear at once on the webside. Also, when the main server is down, everyone 
should be informed about the non-reachable server (like at the moment). 
IMO , these informations belong to open source policy as well, don't you think 
so ?

My intension is, just a wish to you, you might populate such important things 
not only in blogs, but on the homepage as well. If I am wrong, just let me 
know or forget this mail.

Thank you for your attention !

Best regards

Hans-J. Ullrich




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Re: Info on this site

2007-11-09 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich

Am Freitag 09 November 2007 schrieb Thijs Kinkhorst:
> On Fri, November 9, 2007 12:43, MJ Ray wrote:
> > "Hans-J. Ullrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Well, I think, if a debian server would have been compromised, this
> >> should be appear at once on the webside. Also, when the main server is
> >> down, everyone should be informed about the non-reachable server (like
> >> at the moment). IMO , these informations belong to open source policy as
> >> well, don't you think so ?
> >
> > As I understand it, the choice of which news appears on the front page
> > is made by the press team and the security team.  I'm forwarding your
> > question to them too.
>

Hello team-members !
> Your (Hans's) mail seems to have the assumption that such news isn't put
> on the home page, while in fact it is. See for example this overview of
> older news items where you can see that a compromise is announced:
> http://www.debian.org/News/2006/
>

Yes, I saw this at that time on the side, but the announcement was real late 
(IMO), just 2 days after the compromise, I remember. 

> I'm not sure what you mean with "the main server is down", but as far as
> I'm aware there's nothing down that's relevant to end-users - only
> developers. The mirror network seems to function just fine.
>

Hmm, maybe I am wrong, but as endusers might wonder, why there are suddenly no 
new versions, they ask themselves, what happens. 

> > I'm not sure whether the debian-infrastructure-announce launch means
> > we should add another section to the front page containing its news -
> > what do others on debian-www think?
>
> News targeted purely at developers, e.g. d-d-a and d-i-a could maybe be
> listed on www.debian.org/devel, but I see no added value of listing it on
> the home page.
>

Yes, this is my fault, I will put me on the list, so that I will get more 
informations. 
>

Please apologize, but I just thought, the website should be the main 
information point for everyone and not a list. My fault, I did not understand 
the kind of policy, informations are shared. 

So, I will subscribe some more lists. 

Sorry for the noise !

Cheers 

Hans-J. Ullrich


> Thijs



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Link to nonexistent section on doc page (locale specific)

2007-11-09 Thread Hans-Juergen Becker

Hi,

the following pages:

http://www.debian.org/doc/index.bg.html
http://www.debian.org/doc/index.ca.html
http://www.debian.org/doc/index.de.html
http://www.debian.org/doc/index.uk.html

contain a link to the following page/section:

http://www.debian.org/doc/misc-manuals#linuxmag

which is nonexistent. (Has it been removed?)

Greets,
Hans


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Security Servers down ???

2007-11-17 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich

Dear maintainers, 

I cannot reach the the servers ftp.de.debian.org (and I get errors with 
security.debian.org) when using apt-get update.
This is only at "i386", the "amd64"-part is working fine.

Is anything known about this ? If yes, I I need not to search my system for 
errors.

Best regards

Hans


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Re: Link to nonexistent section on doc page (locale specific)

2007-11-26 Thread Hans-Juergen Becker

Am Sonntag, den 18.11.2007, 22:59 -0200 schrieb Felipe Augusto van de
Wiel (faw):
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On 09-11-2007 14:03, Hans-Juergen Becker wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > the following pages:
> > 
> > http://www.debian.org/doc/index.bg.html
> > http://www.debian.org/doc/index.ca.html
> > http://www.debian.org/doc/index.de.html
> > http://www.debian.org/doc/index.uk.html
> 
>   Besides .de. all other pages has an information
> on the top saying that it is out of date.
> 

Sorry for that redundancy than. I can only read .de. of those four
languages, so i didn't catch that information.

I think that information should also be put on top of the .de. page.

Greets,
hans


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Kernel 2.6.23-x-k7 ?

2008-01-17 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich

Dear maintainers, 

just a request for info

I found no kernel for AMD athlon XP ( = k7) for 32-bit.
Is there a special reason for it, i.e. does linux-image-2.6.23-x-686 replace 
it or did something change in technics? Or will there be a version -k7 
available in the near future ?

I only found a kernel "-k7" for with (or for) -vserver-. 

Thanks for your answers.


Best regards

Hans-J. Ullrich


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Linktauschanfrage

2008-04-08 Thread Hans-Dieter Keime

Hallo ,

wir habe heute Ihre Website http://www.webdershanem.com/ besucht, die 
mir gut gefällt. Daher wollte wir Sie fragen ob Sie an einem Linktausch 
mit uns interessiert sind?
Sollten Sie interessiert sein Senden Sie uns bitte ihre Domains und wir 
werden ihnen einen vorschlag ausarbeiten. Wir können ihnen von 
folgenden Seiten/Unterseiten Linkplätze anbieten um ihren Selbstwert 
ihrer Webseite zu steigern. Grundvoraussetzung für einen Linktausch ist 
das die von ihnen angebotenen Seiten im Index von G??gle stehen 
"PR ist nicht erforderlich".

http://www.geschenkideen4ever.de/geburtstag.htm
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check_trans.pl - recursion and robot

2008-08-28 Thread Hans F. Nordhaug

Hi!

1) On http://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating a robot is
mentioned that runs check_trans.pl - is this correct or do I have to
set up a cron job mysef.

2) Why doesn't check_trans.pl work recursively?

Regard,
Hans


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Translated page using English header

2008-08-28 Thread Hans F. Nordhaug

Hi!

I have seasrched the mailing list but couldn't find anything.
I have recently updated
http://www.debian.org/international/Norwegian.no.html
but the headers is in English even if po/templates.no.po
is completely translated. Why? How to fix it? 

Regards,
Hans


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Re: check_trans.pl - recursion and robot

2008-08-28 Thread Hans F. Nordhaug

* Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-08-29]:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:56:04AM +0200, Hans F. Nordhaug wrote:
> > 2) Why doesn't check_trans.pl work recursively?
> 
> How do you mean it doesn't?

It doesn't traverse subdiretories. I have set Norwegian as the default
language in language.conf and used copypage.pl for all the files in the
root folder so they aren't missing (not translated completely/commited
yet). If I then want to know the status for any of the other folders
check_trans.pl doesn't do it automatically - I have to call it for
each subdirectory:

# ./check_trans.pl
# ./check_trans.pl -s intro
Missing norwegian/intro/about.wml version 1.60
Missing norwegian/intro/cn.wml version 1.78
Missing norwegian/intro/free.wml version 1.19
[...]
# ./check_trans.pl -s international
Missing norwegian/international/Arabic.wml version 1.5
Missing norwegian/international/Bulgarian.wml version 1.11
Missing norwegian/international/Catalan/index.wml version 1.17
Missing norwegian/international/Croatian/index.wml version 1.4
[...]

Hans

PS! I can of course make a wrapper script around check_trans.pl that
calls it on every subfolder - not hard at all - I'm just surprised
that recursive parsing isn't the default.-

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Re: Translated page using English header

* Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-08-29]:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:50:25AM +0200, Hans F. Nordhaug wrote:
> > I have seasrched the mailing list but couldn't find anything.
> > I have recently updated
> > http://www.debian.org/international/Norwegian.no.html
> > but the headers is in English even if po/templates.no.po
> > is completely translated. Why? How to fix it? 
> 
> This is the 'no' vs. 'nb' issue catching up with us, gettext relies
> on the systemwide locales, and there isn't one for "no" any more,
> so it reverts back to C for strings. I'll go do the rename now.

Thanks for nailing it, and fixing it soon.

Hans


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Re: check_trans.pl - recursion and robot

* Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-08-29]:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 08:57:40AM +0200, Hans F. Nordhaug wrote:
> > > > 2) Why doesn't check_trans.pl work recursively?
> > > 
> > > How do you mean it doesn't?
> > 
> > It doesn't traverse subdiretories. [...]
> > If I then want to know the status for any of the other folders
> > check_trans.pl doesn't do it automatically - I have to call it for each
> > subdirectory:
> > 
> > # ./check_trans.pl
> > # ./check_trans.pl -s intro
> > Missing norwegian/intro/about.wml version 1.60
> > Missing norwegian/intro/cn.wml version 1.78
> > Missing norwegian/intro/free.wml version 1.19
> > [...]
> 
> It works fine for me... can you post the output of './check_trans.pl -v -g'
> on your system?

I'm very happy to hear that it should work recursively.

[Testing some more]

And suddenly it worked for me to! Believe me, I have tired
'./check_trans.pl -v' many times yesterday. I have no idea why it
suddenly worked - I have only run a cvs status, no update. First time
it worked recursively, it said that files that were up-to-date where
obsolete ... However, now it seems to work correctly.

I guess I'll have a very hard time reproducing this wrong behaviour
so I guess it's best forgotten about ...

Hans

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Re: check_trans.pl - recursion and robot

* Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-08-29]:
> Hans F. Nordhaug wrote:
> > 1) On http://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating a robot is
> > mentioned that runs check_trans.pl - is this correct or do I have to
> > set up a cron job mysef.
> 
> No need to run it yourself:
> http://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/no.html

I'm aware of that page, but thanks. I expected the robot to send me an
e-mail since I gave my address in translator.db.pl... However, it's
not a big issue - I can just add it as a cron job on my own machine.

Hans

PS! Norwegian has just switched to using the correct code (nb) in CVS.
Will the stats script detect that automatically.



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check_trans.pl - $translators{$name}{mailbody} not set

Hi!

What is it with me and check_trans.pl? 

If I use the -m option to send e-mail I get an error because
$translators{$name}{mailbody} isn't set in the init_mails subroutine.
As far as I can see it's not set anywhere in the code or in the
translators database - is it my MIMNE::Lite package that is too old?
(The script doesn't require a particular version.)

Any hints are welcome.

Hans


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Re: check_trans.pl - $translators{$name}{mailbody} not set

2008-09-02 Thread Hans F. Nordhaug

* Hans F. Nordhaug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-08-29]:
> Hi!
> 
> What is it with me and check_trans.pl? 
> 
> If I use the -m option to send e-mail I get an error because
> $translators{$name}{mailbody} isn't set in the init_mails subroutine.
> As far as I can see it's not set anywhere in the code or in the
> translators database - is it my MIMNE::Lite package that is too old?
> (The script doesn't require a particular version.)

OK, I found the culprit ... myself. I had copied the czech translator
database that missed the default entry (which is present in the french
database). 

Hans


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Left menu not translated on www.debian.org/CD/

2008-09-24 Thread Hans F. Nordhaug

The (left) menu on http://www.debian.org/CD/ is based on the po file
po/cdimage.xx.po AFAICT. However, only the first line "Debian on CD"
is translated even if the po files are completely translated.
What's going on? (I tested several languages.)

Regards,
Hans


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Options changed in check_trans.pl

2008-10-01 Thread Hans F. Nordhaug

I suddenly got the following error from a cron job I run:

- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon -

Unknown option: Q
Unknown option: l
Unknown option: c
[CUT]
Invocation:
  check_trans.pl [-vqdlM] [-C dir] [-p pattern] [-s subtree]
 [-m email -n N] [-c charset] [-g] [-t outputtype]
 [language]
[CUT]
--

Apperently some options are removed or renamed. I could find this out
myself, but I guess it's easier for the new check_trans.pl developer
to tell us what has changed. Posting that info here will save a lot of
people the time needed to find this out for themselves..

Regards,
Hans


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Re: Options changed in check_trans.pl

2008-10-01 Thread Hans F. Nordhaug

* Bas Zoetekouw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-01]:
> Hi Hans!
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> > - Forwarded message from Cron Daemon -
> > Unknown option: Q
> > Unknown option: l
> > Unknown option: c
> > 
> > Apperently some options are removed or renamed. I could find this out
> > myself, but I guess it's easier for the new check_trans.pl developer
> > to tell us what has changed. Posting that info here will save a lot of
> > people the time needed to find this out for themselves..
> 
> Yes, as I wrote earlier, the scripts are being totally rewritten, both for
> easier maintenance and for helping in a transition away from CVS.

Yes, I noticed that message. I appreciate your effort.
 
> You're totally right, I forgot to implement a few of the old options.
> -Q (be really quiet) and -l (show log entries) should now work (although I
> should mention that the combination really doesn't make sense, as all the logs
> are redirected to /dev/null if you specify -l and -Q).
[cut]

Just for the record: You have changed the behavior of -Q. (I'm not
saying that this is bad, but it will force people to update their cron
jobs/scripts.)

> Also note that the output of the script might have (slightly) changed.
> I've tried to make it clearer and more userfriendly, using colours to
> distinguish the different statusses of files, but please let me know if
> that poses any problems.  Of course, the rewritten script probably also
> has other bugs;  please let me know if you encounter one.

Well, currently it doesn't send me any e-mails. I'm using

./check_trans.pl -q -m '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' -l -d

and it only prints the result to stdout. (Earlier -Q was included
in the above command, but that gives nothing as you mentioned above.)

Hans

PS! This is check_trans.pl 1.79.


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Re: Options changed in check_trans.pl

2008-10-01 Thread Hans F. Nordhaug

* Bas Zoetekouw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-01]:
> Hi Hans!
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> > > You're totally right, I forgot to implement a few of the old options.
> > > -Q (be really quiet) and -l (show log entries) should now work (although I
> > > should mention that the combination really doesn't make sense, as all the 
> > > logs
> > > are redirected to /dev/null if you specify -l and -Q).
> > [cut]
> > 
> > Just for the record: You have changed the behavior of -Q. (I'm not
> > saying that this is bad, but it will force people to update their cron
> > jobs/scripts.)
> 
> Hmm, I see.  Still, I don't think "being really quiet" means outputting
> lots of cruft and logs.  Does it really matter for you if it outputs the
> names of the files that have changed?  Because if it doesn't you could
> just use -q instead.

I'm completely find with the change you made. It was just for the
record. If I had mind, I would have objected clearly.
 
> > > Also note that the output of the script might have (slightly) changed.
> > > I've tried to make it clearer and more userfriendly, using colours to
> > > distinguish the different statusses of files, but please let me know if
> > > that poses any problems.  Of course, the rewritten script probably also
> > > has other bugs;  please let me know if you encounter one.
> > 
> > Well, currently it doesn't send me any e-mails. I'm using
> > 
> > ./check_trans.pl -q -m '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' -l -d
> > 
> > and it only prints the result to stdout. (Earlier -Q was included
> > in the above command, but that gives nothing as you mentioned above.)
> 
> Ah!  I think I misunderstood how -m worked in the old script.
> Currently, -m only sends mails to the translators defined in
> /international//translator.db.pl, but you seem to want it to
> send all the mails to the specified address, right?
> 
> Actually, I'm pretty sure this didn't work with the old script either.
> You need at least to set an -n option.

I left out the -n parameter from the example because I thought it
didn't make any difference - sorry. I only used the -m parameter
because the old version for some reason didn't pick up the settings
from my translator.db.pl (norwegian)[1]. 

OK, I tested again with

./check_trans.pl -q -l -d -n 3
./check_trans.pl -q -m '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' -l -d -n 3
./check_trans.pl -q -m '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' -l -d -n 3

All of them send the output to stdout and no e-mail. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
is what is entered in translator.db.pl.) And why do we have to supply
the frequencey (-n) when this info is in translator.db.pl?

I'm fluent enough in Perl to fix this myself, but I assume it's much
quicker for you. And I would be more than happy to test "beta" version
before you commit them. Or maybe I'm just making a stupid mistake when
invoking ./check_trans.pl

Hans

[1] 
http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/norwegian/international/norwegian/translator.db.pl


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Re: Options changed in check_trans.pl

* Hans F. Nordhaug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-01]:
[cut away alot]
> OK, I tested again with
> 
> ./check_trans.pl -q -l -d -n 3
> ./check_trans.pl -q -m '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' -l -d -n 3
> ./check_trans.pl -q -m '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' -l -d -n 3
> 
> All of them send the output to stdout and no e-mail. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
> is what is entered in translator.db.pl.) 

OK. Looking at the code/some more testing, revealed that e-mails are
only sent if there is an outdated file *and* that file has a
manintainer.

I'll contact the check_trans.pl maintainer directly, about some other
mail issues, to keep the noise level down on the list.

Hans


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Re: Options changed in check_trans.pl

* Bas Zoetekouw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-05]:
> Hi Hans!
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> > OK. Looking at the code/some more testing, revealed that e-mails are
> > only sent if there is an outdated file *and* that file has a
> > manintainer.
> 
> Hmm, I think it's supposed to mail the person specified by the -m option
> for the pages that have no maintainer, so I guess this is a bug then.
> I'll try to fix it.

The old behavior was that the e-mail specified with -m option was the
address for the list for that language. I think your suggestion is
better.

> > I'll contact the check_trans.pl maintainer directly, about some other
> > mail issues, to keep the noise level down on the list.
> 
> Ok, looking forward to your comments.

I can take most of the comments here since it's related to the above:

1) I want to run the script and only get e-mail about files I'm the
maintainer for. (I don't want the cron job to send e-mail for pages 
that have no maintainer.) Maybe allow the -m with no argument?

2) Sometimes I also want an e-mail for all pages needing an update no
matter if they are maintained or not, and I don't want the maintainers
to get any e-mail. I guess -g will stop the maintainers from getting
anything, but -m 'myaddress' will skip the maintained pages. Add
option -mm?

3) Don't require us to add the frequency unless an e-mail adress is
given on the command line, since that info is in the translator db.

I think that was it.

Hans

PS! One more: The Invocation instruction still has "[-c charset]".

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Re: Options changed in check_trans.pl

* Bas Zoetekouw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-05]:
> Hi Hans!
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> > > Hmm, I think it's supposed to mail the person specified by the -m option
> > > for the pages that have no maintainer, so I guess this is a bug then.
> > > I'll try to fix it.
> > 
> > The old behavior was that the e-mail specified with -m option was the
> > address for the list for that language. I think your suggestion is
> > better.
> 
> Indeed.  Upon looking again at the old check-tans.pl code, it seems that
> I misinterpreted the meaning of the "-g" option.  It seems that, in the
> old code, the meaning of "-g" was "use the email addressed specified by
> -m instead of the addresses from the translator database".  In the new
> code "-g" means "instead of sending the mails, print them to the
> console".
> 
> I think I will change it like this:
>  (*) the "-m" option will not acceptany argument anymore, and will simply
>  determine whether or not mails are generated.

Excellent. (I guess this means it will use the translator database.)

>  (*) add a new "-M " option that allows you to to specify the email
>  address where the emails should be sent;  this will override the
>  translator database.

Very good, but what if I *only* want e-mail for pages that are
unmaintained. I can see the use for this too.

>  (*) Keep the "-g" options as it is now: all mails are generated as
>  specified by the other options, but instead of sending them, they
>  will be dumped to the console.

Yes, that will be real debugging.

[cut]
> > 3) Don't require us to add the frequency unless an e-mail adress is
> > given on the command line, since that info is in the translator db.
> 
> I think you misunderstand.  The "-n" option on the command line is
> matched against the entries in the translator database.  You coudl set
> up daily, weekly, and monthly cronjobs with -n1, -n2, and -n3, for
> example.

OK, thanks for the clarification.

And a last question that I forgot in last message: What is this
virtual translator "maxdelta" that I assume I can add to the
translator database. It is the e-mail address that should be used
if a maintained page is too outdated? AFAICT this isn't documented so
I'm guessing the purpose... (I know you didn't add this, but I think
you have modified that part of the code so I guess you have some
thoughts about it.)

Regards,
Hans


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Re: Options changed in check_trans.pl