Re: (Newbie) Functioning In Debian
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 04:37:39PM -0600, Donald Spoon wrote: > The only problem was that I had to grab the Quicktime win32 audio dlls to > get sound going. I've fiddled and fiddled and gotten nowhere with doing this. All I was ever able to make mplayer do was segfault in various interesting ways (and take down X once, but that's not relevant). Care to detail what files to swipe, and where to swipe 'em from, and where to put them? Or just a pointer to TFM. ^_^ -- Marc Wilson | If it doesn't smell yet, it's pretty fresh. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dave Johnson, on dead seagulls -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VCDs (was Newbie Functioning In Debian)
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 08:57:37PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > I'm also having difficulty finding some decent VCD documentation. I > see plenty for Red Hat. I'll admit I'm way too lazy to go alien in > some of the tools it mentions, though...there's gotta be a Debian > solution... It's not hard to make VCD's under Debian... vcdimager and its related tools are all you need, along with a copy of cdrdao to actually write the disc. Check out the tutorials on the vcdimager site. Heck, I managed to create discs with animated menus and everything, and I always manage to find something to screw up the first time around. :) Knowing XML is nice if you want to create menus and so forth, but if you just want to take an already conformant MPEG and make a disc: rei $ vcdimager Charmed\ 5x15\ -\ Special\ Delivery.mpg ++ WARN: initializing libvcd 0.7.13 [linux-gnu/i386] ++ WARN: ++ WARN: this is the UNSTABLE development branch! ++ WARN: use only if you know what you are doing ++ WARN: see http://www.hvrlab.org/~hvr/vcdimager/ for more information ++ WARN: INFO: scanning mpeg sequence item #0 for scanpoints... ++ WARN: mpeg stream will be padded on the fly -- hope that's ok for you! ++ WARN: autopadding requires to insert additional 646900 zero bytes into MPEG stream (due to 32345 unaligned packets of 197794 total) INFO: writing track 1 (ISO9660)... INFO: writing track 2, MPEG1, NTSC SIF (352x240/29.97fps), audio[0]: l2/44.1kHz/224kbps/stereo ... finished ok, image created with 198469 sectors [44:06.19] (466799088 bytes) rei $ sudo cdrdao write --device 1,0,0 --speed 8 videocd.cue Cdrdao whines if it's not either run by root or suid root, and I won't make it suid, hence using sudo. ^_^ My cheap-ass Samsung DVD player won't reliably read a CD-R that I burn faster than 8x, so that's what speed I use. Make tests with several different media and make sure you can burn discs your player can read before you buy large quantities of blanks. A disc like this has no menu, and is VCD 1.1... load it in the player and push "Play", like a video tape. I used mencoder to capture the video via my capture card, diddled it a bit with avidemux (to remove commercials) and transcode (to make it conformant), and off I went. :) If you want some technical information about how a VCD is actually put together (what the MPEG has to look like, and so on), start here: http://www.dvdrhelp.com/vcd.htm It's Windows-centric, but look past that and there's a wealth of information. -- Marc Wilson | She's genuinely bogus. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: (Newbie) Functioning In Debian
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 01:35:08AM -0600, Donald Spoon wrote: > As I mentioned, the only problem I had initially was with sound on > QuickTime, and that was fixed when I copied over the QT stuff from my > previous experiments to the /usr/lib/win31/ directory. This might be > fixed in the marilatt w32codec debs...dunno. What "QT stuff" is necessary? > This answer your question?? No... I know quite well how to get mplayer itself to work, I just can't get audio in QuickTime. -- Marc Wilson | Honi soit la vache qui rit. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: conversion tool for avi to (s)vcd
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 01:28:24PM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: > Mencoder, of the mplayer package, can convert avi to mpeg, which you > then put to a vcd with the programs of either vcdimager or vcdtools. I do it with transcode myself, but the idea is the same. I find mencoder great for taking *in* raw video and doing something with it, but not so great for getting from one format to another. -- Marc Wilson | If puns were deli meat, this would be the wurst. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Patched sendmail? testing?
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 08:37:02AM -0500, stan wrote: > I did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade on some of my machines running > testing, and I was surprised to not [pull patched sendmail binaries, based > upon the announcement of a vulnerability in it yesterday. Testing doesn't have security updates, and has never been advertised as having security updates. Are you volunteering? Someone else running testing in a production environment. -- Marc Wilson | When God saw how faulty was man He tried again and [EMAIL PROTECTED] | made woman. As to why he then stopped there are | two opinions. One of them is woman's. -- DeGourmont -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X doesn't seem to load app-defaults using gdm
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 10:45:11PM +0100, Wim De Smet wrote: > /etc/X11/app-defaults/Rxvt contains the following two lines: > background:black > foreground:white > Yet rxvt is allways loaded with background white and foreground black. If that's all the line actually says, of course rxvt isn't going to pay the slightest attention. You haven't created a resource that it SHOULD pay attention to. X resources are hierarchial. The name of the file they're defined in is entirely irrelevant. So, try this: rxvt*background:black rxvt*foreground:white I don't know for sure what class name rxvt actually uses, but a preusal of the documentation will tell you. -- Marc Wilson | The very remembrance of my former misfortune proves [EMAIL PROTECTED] | a new one to me. -- Miguel de Cervantes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dumb question: How do you reboot?
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 09:38:23PM -0500, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote: > Ok, so I'm stumped. I just did a nice new install of Debian Woody, and I > can't figure out how I should reboot the thing. > > It seems like I must be missing something extraordinarily easy here. Certainly... go to another VT, log in as root, and type: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# shutdown -r now You can look at the man page for shutdown to learn all the other neat things it has to offer. IMHO your box is broken somewhere if Ctrl-Alt-Del *ever* works to reboot the machine. -- Marc Wilson | Surprise due today. Also the rent. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel errors
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 09:41:52PM -0500, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote: > During the boot, the kernel went into an endless cycle of the same > error message, something to the effect of "cannot modprobe > binfmt###c; error=8". Gee, turn off ELF, or something? > Did I set a configuration setting wrong? You think? > Upon seeing 'binfmt' in the error, I remember I set up the kernel to use > MISC binaries, and unset ELF and JAVA binaries. But the help said I > could do that... The fact that you can poke a needle into your eye too, doesn't mean that you should do it. At an estimate, 99% of the binaries on your box are probably ELF, unless you're actually using one of the few arches that're still a.out. -- Marc Wilson | Error in operator: add beer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mc colour scheme
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 11:03:20PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > Mh, i got a little further. the blue colours show up when I access > mc locally. If I go through an ssh connection within a local > terminal, the nice colours appear. If I start the terminal remotely, > the ugly colours show. if i ssh to localhost and then run mc, the > nice colours show. You know, mc is subject to whatever your terminal emulator thinks it should be using for specific colors... if you redefine what xterm thinks color0 is, for example, when you tell mc to be "black", you get what the terminal thinks is black, not a real black. Since you use rxvt, I'd look at whether or not the two machines have the same resources defined. -- Marc Wilson | Truth can wait; he's used to it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: dual headed screen saver
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 06:15:16PM -0700, Bill Webster wrote: > How can I get a second screen saver to run on display :1? Just use xscreensaver. It occupies all displays on the X server you run it on... in fact, you can't make it NOT do that. :) -- Marc Wilson | If you don't care where you are, then you ain't lost. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Downgrading libc6?
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 02:11:20AM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: > Gah, that's horribly extreme. Just install the sid version of php4. > A better question is why either of you let apt remove it to begin with Because neither one of them has a clue, of course, as to how apt actually works. Actually learning something would be way too time consuming. -- Marc Wilson | You have an unusual understanding of the problems [EMAIL PROTECTED] | of human relationships. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xv (graphics package)
On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 01:57:56PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I seem to recall that the xv package (graphics viewer / editor) by John > Bradley was formerly included in an earlier distribution (potato, maybe?). > It doesn't seem to be in the current distributions. rei $ dpkg -l | grep "3.10a-27" ii xv 3.10a-27 An image viewer and manipulator for the X Wi ii xv-doc 3.10a-27 XV Documentation in Postscript and HTML form I have built the last package from Potato (-26) against the then current unstable (back at 9 Feb 2003) with no apparent problems. xv (3.10a-27) unstable; urgency=low * Rebuilt to get rid of xlib6g dependency * fixed most of ./patches-upstream, which were not applying * added tiff1200.patch * added bmp32.patch * added pdf.patch * added croppad.patch * added gif.patch * added aspect-resize.patch from http://shh.thathost.com/patches/ * added wheelmouse.patch from http://www.coara.or.jp/~sudakyo/DAS_Works/Graphic/ * added dirwkey.patch from http://www.coara.or.jp/~sudakyo/DAS_Works/Graphic/ * added printkey.patch from http://www.coara.or.jp/~sudakyo/DAS_Works/Graphic/ -- Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon, 09 Feb 2003 17:58:22 -0800 I just wish I could distribute it. :) But it's really not hard for anyone with a little time to fix up. This will work: # unofficial xv source deb-src http://debian.uni-essen.de/misc/local/ theo-phys local And you can see where to get the patches. :) There are binary debs there too, but I didn't care about them as they're the Potato ones. Maybe it's just that I used xv before I used anything else, but all the "free" image viewers make me crazy. -- Marc Wilson | "Live or die, I'll make a million." -- Reebus [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Kneebus, before his jump to the center of the earth, | Firesign Theater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When will Sarge become Stable ?
On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 10:00:47AM -0700, Blake Covarrubias wrote: > When Sarge (Testing) becomes stable, then Sid (unstable) will move to > Testing, and a new unstable branch will emerge. Uh, no... as endlessly pointed out to umpteen idiots, Sid will *always* be the unstable distribution. Don't they teach people how to read any more? -- Marc Wilson | A woman can look both moral and exciting -- if [EMAIL PROTECTED] | she also looks as if it were quite a struggle. -- | Edna Ferber -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 10:03:24AM -0800, nate wrote: > hopefully this time around there's enough time for them to get it > working, though I don't know if we'll see an official X11-based installer > for the next revision, I hope that they have the backend and a > ncurses-style installer done for the next release. Gods, whyinhell would you need X in order to install a distribution? That's just silly. -- Marc Wilson | I like young girls. Their stories are shorter. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Tom McGuane -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 08:06:12AM -0800, Larry wrote: > I must say, however, that compared to a number of > other systems I've worked with, Debian is difficult to > get installed and configured. I suspect the poor > fellow was ready to tear his hair out (assuming he had > some hair). Yeah, you have to be able to read, which lets out most morons. Someone please tell me, though... what is wrong with a system that does NOT pander to Joe Moron? Why does anyone care whether or not Joe Moron can install an operating system? Why are we encouraging him to try? It seems to be accepted as a given that Joe Moron needs to know how to build a computer in order to use one. The idea that operating systems are consumer products is the ultimate Microsoft-ism and, I think, has led to a lot of their problems. -- Marc Wilson | In charity there is no excess. -- Francis Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PHP4 conflicts with libc6
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 04:09:53PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > When you're running anything later than stable, you should read > debian-devel-announce. Why? Then they'd actually learn something, or at least not be able to blame their own stupidity on the software. Can't have either one... that would be bad. :) -- Marc Wilson | Government lies, and newspapers lie, but in a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | democracy they are different lies. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HOME and END keys
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 08:14:13PM -0500, Rob Benton wrote:
> I'm looking for a way to get my HOME and END keys working inside an
> xterm. They work fine from a text tty. The only thing I could think of
> is to use xmodmap to map them to Ctrl-a and Ctrl-e. Any other way to do
> this?
Any number of them. Mess with your inputrc, mess with xterm's
app-defaults, recompile it, etc, etc.
Personally, I define this:
! make home and end behave the RIGHT way
XTerm*VT100.Translations: #override ~Shift ~Ctrl ~Meta Home: string("\033OH")\n\
~Shift ~Ctrl ~Meta End: string("\033OF")
Ain't using a PC keyboard to emulate a VT220 *fun*?
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Re: gtk2 apps + utf 8 = squared characters
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 02:45:23AM -0400, ThanhVu Nguyen wrote: > Hi, I use Sarge and have some gtk2 apps like xchat but when someone is > typing an international language, all I can see is these squared > characters - how do I fix this ? Set your locale properly and make sure you're using a font that contains the characters they're typing. The first is far more important than the latter. -- Marc Wilson | A sequel is an admission that you've been reduced [EMAIL PROTECTED] | to imitating yourself. -- Don Marquis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.6.0 + where is /etc/modules?
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:06:46AM -0700, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Trying to load a sound module that was in /etc/modules > in 2.4.21 as cs4232. > /etc/modules is no longer used in 2.6.0. Everything in > the Debian Manual refers to /etc/modules. Just as an aside, /etc/modules wasn't used in 2.4.x or 2.2.x, either. It's a Debian-ism. Modules listed there are loaded during boot by the /etc/init.d/modutils script (beginning at line 16 of that script). If you had your modules set up properly, you wouldn't need to use /etc/modules. It's a crutch. I have no idea whatsoever if that script still exists if you're using the module-init-tools package to support 2.6.x, nor do I care. I'm not about to run 2.6, nor will I until there's some demonstrated advantage in it. Your mileage may vary. -- Marc Wilson | Yow! I want my nose in lights! [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7."
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:09:35PM -0400, Daniel B. wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > > Daniel B. wrote: > > > Is this something I need to do something about: > > > Oct 18 20:29:30 dsb kernel: spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7. > > > > Just ignore it. It basically means that you do not have anything > > connected to the parallel port. > > That obviously can't be right--I have a working printer attached to > the parallel port. It isn't right. What it means is that an interrupt was asserted, but by the time the hardware got around to telling the CPU, it wasn't there any more. IRQ7 is the lowest priority interrupt, and that's where the service routine ends up. It's harmless. -- Marc Wilson | O.K., fine. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X trouble!
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:58:01PM -0500, Kevin C. Smith wrote: > Anyone else experience this, or is it just me? See recent BTS entries for fontconfig. -- Marc Wilson | Oh, yeah, life goes on, long after the thrill of [EMAIL PROTECTED] | livin' is gone. -- John Cougar, "Jack and Diane" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7."
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:35:13AM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > > It isn't right. What it means is that an interrupt was asserted, but by > > the time the hardware got around to telling the CPU, it wasn't there any > > more. IRQ7 is the lowest priority interrupt, and that's where the service > > routine ends up. > > That isn't right either. IRQ7 is not the lowest priority interrupt > and neither do routines just end up there. At least we are both > posting what appears to be bogus information. :-) How do you figure that IRQ7 isn't the lowest priority interrupt? IRQ0timer tick IRQ1keyboard IRQ2chained to IRQ9 | IRQ8RTC |__IRQ9chained to IRQ2 IRQ10 free IRQ11 free IRQ12 usually PS/2 port IRQ13 free (used to be the numeric coprocessor) IRQ14 primary IDE IRQ15 secondary IDE IRQ3secondary serial IRQ4primary serial IRQ5free (was the HD interrupt on the XT) IRQ6floppy disk IRQ7lpt The whole reason that the architecture has this weirdo interrupt structure is that for the AT, IBM had to get the HD interrupt up to a higher priority than the serial ports. You have to daisy-chain the two 8259's SOMEWHERE. Of course, we don't have motherboards that use 8259A interrupt controllers any more, but the same idea holds. I shouldn't have said that the routine "just ended up there"... that's idiot-level speak. The hardware had an interrupt asserted, but it's not there any more by the time the logic tried to route it. Remember, chained 8259's. So it fell to the bottom of the logic. The kernel, on the other hand, is sitting there saying "huh, there was no interrupt for IRQ7 asserted." -- Marc Wilson | QOTD: "The baby was so ugly they had to hang a pork [EMAIL PROTECTED] | chop around its neck to get the dog to play with it." signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: 2.4.0 GNOME in Sid
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 02:26:31PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > Now that I have done it (on Saturday afternoon) I did a "dselect update > && apt-get -u dist-upgrade" Standard description of how unofficial Gnome repository packages are broken deleted... Remove the unofficial packages you're using, replace with real ones. -- Marc Wilson | BOFH excuse #389: /dev/clue was linked to /dev/null [EMAIL PROTECTED] | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: update in sid has killed gnome-terminal
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 05:09:19PM -0400, TR wrote: > I just did an upgrade in a machine running sid and after that can't star > a gnome terminal anymore. Yes, and certainly you're going to get LOTS of help with that problem, given this EXTREMELY informative report you've made. Why, I'll just bet that your problem jumps right out and begs to be solved. Feh. Why do these people think they should be running unstable? I suppose everyone gets to guess now whether you have the "I'm clueless and didn't notice that libbonobo changed problem", or the "I'm clueless and didn't notice that fontconfig segfaulted during its postinst problem". -- Marc Wilson | Nadia Comaneci, simple perfection. -- '76 Olympics [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nVIDIA/Xft/OpenGL Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 11:45:47AM +1000, Lucas J Barbuto wrote: > I'm running Sid with a custom 2.4.20 kernel. A recent dist-upgrade > provided me with nvidia-glx-1.0-4496-6 and new version of X-Window > (4.2.1-12.1). Among many other things. > Enlightenment and WindowMaker both managed to start, but I can't load any > application that uses Anti-Aliased fonts, they all segfault (OpenBox is > also configured for anti-aliased fonts). See recent bug reports on fontconfig. > I've also noticed there seems to be a problem with X's speedo module, Ignore it, it's meaningless. Well, it's not *meaningless*, but it's not relevant. -- Marc Wilson | "Though a program be but three lines long, someday [EMAIL PROTECTED] | it will have to be maintained." -- The Tao of | Programming -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#217452: mailfilter: installing under Debian
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:08:05PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: > Under a typical Debian setup, you want to trigger mailfilter before > every run of fetchmail. True enough. Or rather, you want to run mailfilter before whatever mail-getter you use runs. > Since fetchmail ordinarily runs as user fetchmail, mailfilter will too. Bah. Running fetchmail as a system daemon is a broken behavior in any but the simplest of installations. It means that fetchmail has to know the accounts and passwords of every user on the box, yet that same user has zero control over the security of that information. No, thank you. Run it as a user. Run it from your crontab. Let your MUA run it. Etc. > It needs to be able to find and read its configuration file as this user, > and write to its log file. True. As the user who's mail it's filtering. What if user A has one type of mail HE wants to bounce, and user B has other mail that SHE wants to bounce? > Here is one way to accomplish this: Overkill, requires you to be root on the box, and makes changes to the way the package normally works. Complex solution to a very simple problem... easily avoided by not running fetchmail daemonized. -- Marc Wilson | Confidence is the feeling you have before you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | understand the situation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#217452: mailfilter: installing under Debian
On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 12:23:59AM -0400, Travis Crump wrote: > ??? > /etc/fetchmailrc is owned by fetchmail:root, 0600. Anyone who can read > that file has root permissions and can just as easily read any > .fetchmailrc that they want to. Yes, they can. But that still doesn't mean that I want to have to share *my* mail passwords with someone else, or want to have to keep someone ELSE in sync with *my* mail passwords. What am I, as the user, supposed to do? Send a mail to root saying "oh, my mail password at random.site has changed"? Who reads that mail? Who has access to it? Does it get printed out and left on a desk somewhere, or in someone's inbox on a random desk? No, if someone wants to know my details, they can come into my $HOME and get them. Come up with a secure mechanism whereby that information can be shared with a single administrator responsible for administering /etc/fetchmailrc and then perhaps we'll talk. -- Marc Wilson | There are only two kinds of men -- the dead and [EMAIL PROTECTED] | the deadly. -- Helen Rowland signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: netiquette: CCing on lists
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:00:25PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> To use L I have to define the mailing lists I am subscribed to, this
> causes mutt to do weird things (I don't remember exactly what, but it
> might have shown debian-user as the sender of all messages from
> debian-user, instead of the actual senders).
Well, yeah, because that's where they came from. If you want the index to
display who the message is from, while still allowing 'L'ist replies to
work, change your index expression. From my ~/.muttrc:
- cut - cut -
# I have no idea why people think %L is a useful thing to have in the index
# header... in a normal mailbox it works, but in a list mailbox all it tells
# you is that the mail is from the list, and I'm sorry, but you already know
# that. After all, isn't that why the mail is in the list mailbox in the
# first place? I want to know who *sent* it.
#
# index header format:
# %2M == number of hidden messages if the thread is collapsed.
# %4C == current message number
# %Z== message status
# %{%b %d %R} == date and time (sender)
# %-15.15L == list-from
# -or-
# %-15.15F == author name, or recipient name if the message is from you
# (%4l) == number of lines
# %s== subject of message
set index_format="%2M %4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15F (%4l) %s"
- cut - cut -
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Re: Sarge netinst: CD-RW Sony CRX175A1
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 07:58:18PM +0100, Dani wrote: > I'm netinstalling Debian Sarge from a minimal CD. > The installation show me the following list of kernel modules: > aztcd, cdu31a, cm206, gscd, isp16, mcd, mcdx, optcd, sbpcd, sjcd, > sonycd535. None of those. Those are all meant to drive the older CD-ROM drives on proprietary interfaces. I suspect what's more likely is that you have your drive on some interface that the install kernel doesn't recognize, such as an add-on PCI controller. How is this drive interfaced? -- Marc Wilson | But like the Good Book says... There's BIGGER DEALS [EMAIL PROTECTED] | to come! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get question
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:40:02PM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote: > You've got to be kidding me. Hm, let's base the stability of our system on > whether or not someone bothered to report a bug? With no way to go back? > Right... You mean let's NOT, as potentially useful input, evaluate whether or not anyone ELSE might have had a problem before allowing something from unstable to update? Yeah, right... -- Marc Wilson | Spirtle, n.: The fine stream from a grapefruit [EMAIL PROTECTED] | that always lands right in your eye. -- Sniglets, | "Rich Hall & Friends" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux-kernel-headers foul-up
Ok, maybe I'm REALLY missing the signal in all the noise, but whyinhell are people having a problem with this? If an application needs kernel headers, whyinhell isn't it USING them? That, after all, is why you put a kernel source tree in place on your system. Any number of packages depend on having one or another kernel-headers package installed. I build lm-sensors, it uses the kernel headers. I build nVidia drivers, it uses the kernel headers. NOT whatever headers glibc might have installed on the box. Any application that expects to be able to use glibc headers and gain access to kernel structures is fundamentally broken, isn't it? The glibc headers are for gaining access to *glibc* structures. They have to match *glibc*. Isn't all this noise a holdover from the mistaken idea that you were supposed to have your includes directory symlinked into your kernel source tree? -- Marc Wilson | *** System shutdown message from root *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] | System going down in 60 seconds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "locale not supported"?
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 06:51:57PM -0500, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote: > I keep getting warnings along the lines of "Gdk-warning: local not > supported by C library" I'm using en-US.utf8. > Is there something I can change to make this go away? Well, since the name of the locale is "en_US.UTF8", you could always try spelling it properly. rei $ locale -a | grep US en_US en_US.iso88591 en_US.iso885915 en_US.utf8 -- Marc Wilson | What the large print giveth, the small print taketh [EMAIL PROTECTED] | away. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sawfish debian menu compatibility?
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 11:31:48AM -0600, andy bezella wrote: > a few sid upgrades ago (i believe starting with the recent cvs > checkouts) it appears that sawfish lost compatibility (to some extent) > with the debian menu system. the apps menu does not appear on the root > window menu. At some point, sawfish's menu-method file started creating 'debian-menu.jl' in /var/lib/sawfish instead of /etc/X11/sawfish. I have no idea if that's related to the issue you're having... I haven't used sawfish in several years. Just looked at the current unstable package, and that's what it's still doing. Where does your root menu expect to find the Debian menu? -- Marc Wilson | The nice thing about Windows is - It does not just [EMAIL PROTECTED] | crash, it displays a dialog box and lets you press | 'OK' first. (Arno Schaefer's .sig) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lynx vs xli
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 09:27:02PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've managed to fight through a bunch of problems, some my own, some > caused by Debian's way of doing things. (For example, although my > display is now mostly configured to my liking, I still have no clue where > XFConfig-4 is getting its modelines from.) They're built into the server, of course. Isn't it wonderful that 99.9% of the time, you don't have to worry in the slightest about specifying modelines any more, yet the functionality is still available to you if you want it? This is hardly a "Debian way of doing things"... unless you want to claim that Debian controls XFree or something. -- Marc Wilson | "Problem solving under linux has never been the [EMAIL PROTECTED] | circus that it is under AIX." (By Pete Ehlke in | comp.unix.aix) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lost my Apps - Shells - bash option in Blackbox Menu
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 07:25:06PM -0600, Doug MacFarlane wrote: > Is there some magical command to regenerate the default menus? I haven't > added anything by editing the .blackbox-menu file or anything like that - > I've always been happy with how apt/dpkg managed it for me . . . . As root, run update-menus, note whatever errors it spits out, correct them, rinse, repeat. -- Marc Wilson | Some people have parts that are so private they [EMAIL PROTECTED] | themselves have no knowledge of them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gtk background
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:23:22PM -0800, Rodney D. Myers wrote: > I had to re-install, and suddenly some of the GTKGTK2 based apps are > very "dark". So set your GTK theme to a "brighter" one. Use gtk-theme-switch if you don't know how to do it yourself. > I've tried editing the ~/.gtkrc ~/.gtkrc-2.0. I love clueless statements like this. So you "edited" them, huh? What did you do, add "MAKE MY SCREEN BRIGHTER!" to the two of them? Yes, yes, I'm so mean. Well, what do you expect to be made of a statement like that? -- Marc Wilson | There are ten or twenty basic truths, and life is the [EMAIL PROTECTED] | process of discovering them over and over and over. | -- David Nichols signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: G550 and 3D acceleration
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 10:36:15AM +, Piers Kittel wrote: > Does anyone know how to enable 3D acceleration / Open GL for my Matrox > G550 AGP using Debian? Sure. Make sure that whatever kernel you're using has support built for it, load the module, and start up X. Make sure you're loading the dri module. -- Marc Wilson | Q: What's the difference between a car salesman and a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | computer salesman? A: The car salesman can probably | drive! -- Joan McGalliard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: G550 and 3D acceleration
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:52:54PM +, Piers Kittel wrote: > Marc - here's the Quake 3 error on the G550: > Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem > But works fine on the TNT2 Don't know a thing about Quake... Quake puts me to sleep. Can't see it as anything but a good thing that it doesn't work for you. > Bill, Fair enough, but it doesn't work on both heads, not just one. You should get accelerated OGL on both heads. > matroxfb: Matrox G550 detected > fb0: MATROX VGA frame buffer device Ewww... framebuffer. Shoot immediately with extreme prejudice. Large caliber weapons. > But then again, AGPART doesn't work: > Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann > agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 439M > agpgart: unsupported bridge > agpgart: no supported devices found. > [drm:drm_init] *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module. Well gee, now you know why DRI doesn't work. Provide support for your GART. -- Marc Wilson | "I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've [EMAIL PROTECTED] | got hundreds of people waiting to abuse me." -- | Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mplayer, ogle, unable to play DVD
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 07:05:19AM +0800, csj wrote: > Have you tried mounting a *DVD* on the DVD-ROM drive? What's the > console output when you try to copy a file off a DVD (some of the > files shouldn't be copy-protected)? Just as an aside... none of the files are copy-protected. You can read all the content all you like. You just can't decrypt it without the key. Which is why idiots claiming CSS is a piracy tool are exactly that. Idiots. You don't need CSS to copy a DVD. Of course, we have morons from all over using it now to rip and distribute, while whining about how all they actually want to do is be able to watch their discs on Linux. Such hypocrisy. -- Marc Wilson | It looks like blind screaming hedonism won out. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UI font size in OpenOffice
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 08:19:24PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > After a sid upgrade the font is larger than I would like. See bug #218585. -- Marc Wilson | Speak softly and carry a +6 two-handed sword. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: G550 and 3D acceleration
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 07:07:12AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I try and take good notes setting things up, but all I have is "doesn't > work on secondary head". My memory is that I saw a reason why it > doesn't work on the secondary head but my Googling isn't finding that > right now. Oh, maybe it's because I'm using Xinerama. Correct. No DRI on second head, means no acceleration on second head. If you use Xinerama then you're not going to get acceleration on either head. If you're getting only 200 fps in glxgears, then that's software rendering. -- Marc Wilson | Advice is a dangerous gift; be cautious about giving [EMAIL PROTECTED] | and receiving it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Definitive HOWTO use truetype fonts on a Network
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 05:30:12PM -0800, Daniel Miller wrote: > What's the best way to do this? It seems to me using a central XFS type > font server provides the most efficient X-server displays - but then > these fonts appear unavailable to OpenOffice. Correct, because OpenOffice couldn't care less about your X fonts, and uses fontconfig, which requires a local font repository (I presume you could mount one via NFS... that would get interesting). XFS will work fine for sharing X fonts to applications that don't support fontconfig. I imagine that any local Xft1-using applications will happily use it as well. It's the Xft2 applications you're going to have a problem with. -- Marc Wilson | "Everyone is entitled to an *informed* opinion." [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Harlan Ellison -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: openGL cannot do fullscreen in dual monitor config
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:44:11PM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: > just tried dual monitors with two card (geForce FX 5600 Ultra, nvidia > drivers and ATI Radeon 9800, ati drivers), debian unstable, X 4.2.1: The important thing... are you using dual-head, or are you using Xinerama? If you're using dual-head, you should have full OGL acceleration on both heads, subject to whatever their respective driver(s) provide or don't provide. If, on the other hand, you're using Xinerama or something that fakes X into *thinking* it has Xinerama (nVidia's TwinView does this, I dunno what ATi does), then you only get accelerated OGL on the primary head. Effects on the second head vary from simply being unaccelerated, to windows that render properly on the primary head being empty black rectangles on the second head. -- Marc Wilson | Neil Armstrong tripped. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get/xscreensaver problem
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 01:31:24PM +, Piers Kittel wrote: > Needed to do an "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and it finished, but > noted an error, so did an "apt-get -f install", and get the following: > So what am I doing wrong here? The unofficial package 'fireflies' is flawed. This is not Debian's fault. Remove it. It is not the responsibility of an official package to attempt to avoid conflicts with some hacked up unofficial package. Why you think you need to use localepurge, I have no idea at all. -- Marc Wilson | I was making donuts and now I'm on a bus! [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a2ps and page size -- driving me nuts!
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 06:18:29PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > The paper is A4, libpaper is configured for A4, --medium=libpaper > is set, but the following problem prevails even if I set > --medium=a4. A4 is described as "Medium: A4 595 842", > basically it's all out of the box Debian without any changes. Unstable's current a2ps is (a) broken wrt paper sizes, (b) is currently without libpaper support. You need to downgrade to the non-CVS-in-the-name version, that being: rei $ dpkg -l | grep a2ps hi a2ps 4.13b-20.2 GNU a2ps - 'Anything to PostScript' converte Well, not -20.2, as I built that locally to avoid #202673. The prior version is actually -20.1... It's all in the BTS. -- Marc Wilson | I hate mankind, for I think myself one of the best [EMAIL PROTECTED] | of them, and I know how bad I am. -- Samuel Johnson signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: interface fonts in ooffice
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 10:47:27PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: > I just reinstalled my system. After reinstallation the open office > interface fonts are way too large and I couldn't find how to change > them. See bug #218585. > My system is debian unstable. Gee, there's another one now. -- Marc Wilson | Ain't nothin' an old man can do for me but bring me [EMAIL PROTECTED] | a message from a young man. -- Moms Mabley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 01:58:46PM +0900, Nick Hastings wrote:
> This WM was mentioned by a poster on this list a month or so ago. At
> the time I was using sawfish, but was getting sick of the bloat and
> considering switching back to fvwm. I'm _so_ glad I tried openbox3.
>
> I have it set up to do all the things you wanted except use the Debian
> menus. I've not tried.
There's a menu-method running around that'll give it access to the Debian
menu system. It's not perfect, it has no ability to deal with menu entries
with ampersands in them (which XML requires you to escape), but other than
that, it does the job. I attach it here, because it's only a few lines.
--
Marc Wilson | In the next world, you're on your own.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |
#!/usr/sbin/install-menu
#
# Generates openbox menus for all registered applications.
compat="menu-1"
!include menu.h
genmenu="openbox-menu.xml"
rootprefix="/etc/X11/openbox/"
userprefix=".openbox/"
treewalk=M)
#rootsection="/Debian"
supported
x11=\
nstring(level(), " ") "\n"nstring(level(), " ")"
"esc($command,
"")"\n"nstring(level(), " ")"\n"
#wm=nstring(level(), " ") "[restart] (" esc($title, "()") ") {" esc($command,
"()") "}\n"
text=\
nstring(level(), " ") "\n"nstring(level(), " ")"
x-terminal-emulator -T \"" esc($title, "") "\" -e
"esc($command, "")"\n"nstring(level(), " ")"\n"
endsupported
preoutput= \
"\n\n\n"
startmenu= ""
submenutitle= nstring(level(), " ") "\n"
endmenu= nstring(level(), " ") "\n"
postoutput="\n"
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Re: a2ps and page size -- driving me nuts!
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 11:05:52AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.11.13.0439 +0100]: > > Unstable's current a2ps is (a) broken wrt paper sizes, (b) is currently > > without libpaper support. You need to downgrade to the non-CVS-in-the-name > > version, that being: > > I am already running just 4.13b-16. You're way behind. 4.13b-16 was the last upload by the previous maintainer. It was hijacked with the -17 upload. a2ps (4.13b-16) unstable; urgency=low -- Manfred Wassmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 7 Mar 2002 Since then, there have been: a2ps (4.13b-17) unstable; urgency=low -- Masayuki Hatta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sat, 22 Mar 2003 a2ps (4.13b-18) unstable; urgency=low -- Masayuki Hatta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 1 Apr 2003 a2ps (4.13b-19) unstable; urgency=low -- Masayuki Hatta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sun, 6 Apr 2003 a2ps (4.13b-20) unstable; urgency=low -- Masayuki Hatta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 29 Apr 2003 then what looks like an unacknowledged NMU: a2ps (4.13b-20.1) unstable; urgency=low -- Rene Engelhard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sat, 23 Aug 2003 And that's when I stopped keeping track, as that CVS version that got uploaded to unstable is seriously broken and I wasn't interested in figuring out how. I needed a2ps to work NOW, not next month, and I wasn't about to take the time to figure out what was wrong with its defined paper sizes. OTOH, that broken package has now migrated to Sarge, and Sarge shouldn't release with it in there. > > Well, not -20.2, as I built that locally to avoid #202673. The prior > > version is actually -20.1... > > It's all in the BTS. > > I looked, really. You mean #190593? No, I mean #202673, which is why I said it. I have lots of files here that have either spaces or hyphens in their names, and a2ps does NOTHING to escape those to ensure that the generated command line for file(1) doesn't do something odd. The CVS version currently in unstable rewrites the code that generates that command line, but it now has other problems. I never had any issues with odd sized pages until I started trying to use that CVS version. Of course, I own real PostScript printers... maybe that has something to do with it. > One thing to note is that a PS file generated from a2ps looks > alright... I am thus a little confused as to where the source of the > problem lies... There's nothing wrong with the files other than that the margins are too big. I have no idea where the paper size settings came from, nor did I care. Personally, I think if the maintainer wanted to experiment, such an obviously broken package should have been uploaded to experimental, not unstable. And most especially, not left to languish as it has been. -- Marc Wilson | Diplomacy is the art of letting the other party have [EMAIL PROTECTED] | things your way. -- Daniele Vare signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: "Error Running kbd-chooser" while installing sid
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:34:49PM +, J.S.Sahambi wrote: > I am trying to install sid on my P-IV machine. I downladed the > sid-i386-1.iso from the following link: > http://ntu.debian.org.tw/debian-unofficial/sid/sid-i386-1.iso You mean you downloaded *a* Sid ISO. Why you wasted your time doing that, I have no idea and will not speculate. > Error running kbd-chooser > > With this selectoin the installatin processes does not proceed. CAn > anybody help me out. Sid is not guaranteed installable at any given time. Contact whoever is responsible for the unofficial disc images you are using regarding whether it is possible to use their product to install from. -- Marc Wilson | stab_val(stab)->str_nok = 1; /* what a wonderful [EMAIL PROTECTED] | hack! */ -- Larry Wall in stab.c from the perl | source code -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a2ps and page size -- driving me nuts!
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 01:06:52AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > I installed -20.1 from the snapshot site, and now a2ps just outputs > to stdout, independent of whether I set -d, -Plp, or just let it run > (which usually just printed to the default printer, see #193530). I don't know... I never had that problem with it. My default printer isn't lp, though... I set $PRINTER in ~/.bashrc: rei $ grep PRINTER .bashrc export MOZ_PRINTER_NAME=select360 export PRINTER=select360 That shouldn't mean anything to a2ps, though... only to lpr. -- Marc Wilson | You had mail. Paul read it, so ask him what it said. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:43:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? Buy them in a store. ^_^ You can get 90 minute and 99 minute discs now. The 90's usually work in most drives that you can get to do overburn, but the 99's are VERY twitchy because not only do they use the run-out area, but the spiral is tighter. -- Marc Wilson | It is the theory which decides what can be observed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Albert Einstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone
On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 01:34:17AM +, Pigeon wrote: > cdrecord -v -speed=32 dev=x,y,z -dao -isosize filename.raw The hitch was the instruction to cdrecord to write the disc in DAO mode. Many many recorders cannot deal with the CUE sheet they're sent in DAO mode unless they're told the total size of the image. Your original write blew up because the largest disc that can be encoded in the ATIP is 700 mb. Anything larger is an overburn, and you're right back to the CUE sheet problem again. I've got three recorders... one NEC, two LiteOn. The NEC won't overburn no matter what you do, one of the LiteOn's doesn't care and just does whatever you tell it, and the other LiteOn has the CUE sheet thing. Frustrating. -- Marc Wilson | The older a man gets, the farther he had to walk to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | school as a boy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VIM 6.1 with GTK+ 2.0 patches
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 10:35:13AM +0100, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > I took VIM CVS, the GTK2 patch from Jason Hildebrand[0], the Debian > packages from Luca, put everything in a blender and the result can be > downloaded from http://people.debian.org/~mmagallo/packages/ Wahhh! No vim-python. :( Also: [10:35 am][pts/12][../mwilson/vim-gtk2] rei $ sudo dpkg -i vim_6.1-cvs.20030208+1_i386.deb (Reading database ... 95257 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace vim 1:6.1-290+1 (using vim_6.1-cvs.20030208+1_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement vim ... Setting up vim (6.1-cvs.20030208+1) ... cannot open dhelp file '/usr/share/doc/vim/html/.dhelp': at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 560. dpkg: error processing vim (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: vim The GTK2 binary works (if you just yank a copy of it out of the deb), but it doesn't seem to be installable because the main deb produces this error. It's real pretty, though. ^_^ -- Marc Wilson | Beware of the Turing Tar-pit in which everything is [EMAIL PROTECTED] | possible but nothing of interest is easy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nvidia drivers conflicting with mesa opengl drivers.
On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 03:43:31PM +0100, Wim De Smet wrote: > I have on my system the nvidia drivers installed, and these provide the > (propietary) nvidia opengl drivers. But I can't seem to get apt-get to > remove xlibmesa because it seems to need that, while it shouldn't > because I have another openGL version installed. Does anybody know how > to solve this dependency problem? Sure. Don't remove xlibmesa. You don't have a dependency problem, you have an understanding problem. The nvidia drivers aren't high-level. The nvidia driver provides the low-level stuff. You have to have xlibmesa if you want to actually USE it. -- Marc Wilson | Conversation enriches the understanding, but solitude [EMAIL PROTECTED] | is the school of genius. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Deb-List Subject Line Tag?
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 04:12:14AM +, Scalar wrote: > Would it be acceptable for the listserver to add a few > letters at the beginning of the subject to distinguish the > list from other email? No. Bad. Very Bad. Leads to incomprehensible Subject lines. > I use pine over telnet in 25x80 mode for email, and it is > frequently impossible to tell listserv messages from normal > email. because the subject lines don't "stand out" from > normal mail. Then you should filter your mail before looking at it with pine. Make the *computer* do all the work. Here's a procmail solution for you: # Debian lists ... :0: * ^X-Mailing-List: .*[<].*@lists\.debian\.org[>] * ^X-Mailing-List: .*[<] *\/[^ ][^@]* $MATCH That'll filter mail from *any* Debian list. You don't have to modify it when your subscriptions change. ^_^ -- Marc Wilson | I drink to make other people interesting. -- George [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Jean Nathan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't synthesize root hub events
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 01:32:26PM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote: > What is the meaning of this message which flashes by during boot up? > What should be done about it? It's generated by hotplug... it can be ignored. Look through hotplug's init script. -- Marc Wilson | Perfect day for scrubbing the floor and other [EMAIL PROTECTED] | exciting things. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Odd details in Mutt
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 01:51:17PM -0500, Scruloose wrote: > First, what is the actual command to collapse all threads? When I hit > -V it works, and the little keymapping help-screen says that the > command is collapse-all. Just use a "push": folder-hook . push \eV <-- like so You might also want to combine this with collapse_unread, so that only threads with nothing new actually get collapsed: unset collapse_unread <-- like so > And an odd little detail about display... when I run Mutt at the console, > it shows this stylin' tree diagram for each thread, but when I run it in a > gnome terminal window, that tree gets mangled into a bunch of asterisks and > backwards question-marks. You have ascii_chars unset, indicating that the terminal is capable of using line-drawing characters to indicate threading, but the font you're using doesn't include the proper glyphs. set ascii_chars <-- will fix it All in the handy manual, available by pressing F1. -- Marc Wilson | Quantity is no substitute for quality, but its the [EMAIL PROTECTED] | only one we've got. msg31190/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Wheel mouse with mutt
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 06:26:05PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote:
>mutt.vt100.translations: #override \n\
> None: string(<<) \n\
> None: string(>>) \n
Well, that's not going to work. Mutt is a console-mode application, and
doesn't participate in the X resource database. What you want to do is
direct resource changes to the xterm you're running it in.
Take a look at the attached... perhaps it does what you want.
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Marc Wilson | It is common sense to take a method and try it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But
| above all, try something. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt
#!/bin/bash
# do mouse bindings for mutt that I find useful:
# mousewheel scrolls single lines
# shift-mousewheel scrolls two lines
# ctrl-mousewheel scrolls four lines
# ctrl-button3 is
# shift-button3 is
# alt-button3 is
# also remove LC_ALL setting (if it exists) and set LANG and LC_COLLATE so that
# mutt sorts as I expect (en_US has *odd* ideas about how to sort for English
# speakers!). From searching in Google, the oddisms in en_US have been there
# for a LONG time, and no one seems to think enough of it to fix them
unset LC_ALL
export LANG=en_US
export LC_COLLATE=C
# depend on ~/.xsession to have set the AAREALBIGTERM env variable.
# it's just an xterm with custom font settings...
exec $AAREALBIGTERM \
-title "[ Mail for `whoami` @ `hostname` ]" \
-xrm 'XTerm*VT100.Translations: #override \n\
Ctrl,:string("
") \n\
Shift,:string("q") \n\
Alt,:string("M") \n\
Ctrl,:string("OAOAOAOA") \n\
Ctrl,:string("OBOBOBOB") \n\
Shift,:string("OAOA") \n\
Shift,:string("OBOB") \n\
,: string("OA") \n\
,: string("OB")\n\ ' \
-e mutt -y
Re: kernel-2.6 and devfs. Can't open xterm or konsole (kde terminal)
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 04:54:22PM +0200, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: > I can't open an xterm, not even as root. As regular user there is a lot of > disk activity and then the terminal window fails to open. Did you build in pty support? Xterm and friends care about that. > Please CC me as I am not on the list. You should be. -- Marc Wilson | The scene is dull. Tell him to put more life into [EMAIL PROTECTED] | his dying. -Samuel Goldwyn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where is netscape 4 in testing?
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:48:02PM +0200, Christophe Courtois wrote: > I thought one of the points of open source [Ok, it is not open source, > but free] was that a project was never dead, and that you upgrade when > YOU want. Netscape isn't open-source, and isn't free. It was never in Debian, it was in non-free. It had bugs, they were non-fixable, it went away. -- Marc Wilson | The sudden sight of me causes panic in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] | streets. They have yet to learn -- only the savage | fears what he does not understand. -- The Silver | Surfer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD recording software?
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 08:47:02AM -0400, TR wrote: > cdrecord No, not cdrecord. Cdrecord doesn't speak DVD. The non-free but free-for-non-commercial-use cdrecord-ProDVD does, but the lemmings will no doubt rise out of the woodwork and crucify you for daring to use it. And yes, I'm aware that there's a patch to the free cdrecord that adds DVD support for a subset of drives. -- Marc Wilson | The opposite of talking isn't listening. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] | opposite of talking is waiting. -- Fran Lebowitz, | "Social Studies" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD recording software?
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 01:33:20PM +0200, Joan Tur wrote: > I've purchased a DVD-RW recorder... and I'd like to use it under linux... > What software could I us? I've googled with no luck 8-? Can't imagine you actually bothered to Google at all, but whatever... There are at least two reasonable choices, and one not so reasonable. Personally, I use cdrecord-ProDVD. It's non-free, but free-for-noncommercial-use. Decide for yourself if your religious beliefs allow you to use it or not. Advantages are that it works just like cdrecord (obviously), and with a little shell scripting, is a drop-in replacement to most of the front-ends out there. Disadvantages are that you have to have a code, which expires occasionally, and that the more rabid OSS lemmings will crucify you for daring to use it, as opposed to allowing you to make the choice for yourself that they claim for themselves. Available from the cdrecord home page. Secondly, you could use dvd+rw-tools, which despite the name (and I'm sure some idiot will still miss this, and try to tell me I'm wrong) can write to both +R/RW and -R/RW media just fine. The main tool is called 'growisofs', and it uses mkisofs to actually create the filesystem to be written to the disc. Third, and non-optimal, is to use dvdrecord, which is a sorta-fork-sorta-hack of an early version of cdrecord, while Joerg Schilling was still including DVD support in the base cdrecord package. It supports a limited subset of drives. Now, if what you're ACTUALLY trying to do is author a DVD-Video disc, the two processes are separate. You create a filesystem, and then you write that filesystem to a disc, with one of these tools. -- Marc Wilson | BOFH excuse #395: Redundant ACLs. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord-prodvd support?
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:28:57PM +0200, Joan Tur wrote: > copied the program to /usr/bin/ either with the name cdrecord-prodvd and > cdrecord (renaming the original), but after setting xcdroast configuration I > get the following message: > - - > Please note that you have to install ProDVD support before you can write DVDs. > Currently you will only be able to write regular CDs with your DVD-Writer. > - - You also have to set the license key, otherwise cdrecord-ProDVD falls back to the normal cdrecord behavior. I created a 'dvdrecord' shell script: rei $ cat /usr/local/bin/dvdrecord #!/bin/sh CDR_SECURITY= export CDR_SECURITY exec cdrecord-ProDVD "$@" This is the recommended method in the readme. -- Marc Wilson | Tex SEX! The HOME of WHEELS! The dripping of [EMAIL PROTECTED] | COFFEE!! Take me to Minnesota but don't EMBARRASS | me!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wheel mouse with mutt
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 03:37:43PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote:
> Actually, it *does* work -- for a time -- as I have indicated; or, at
> least this does for me:
If it does, it's only because the xterm you're running mutt in has been
told to use 'mutt' as it's name, rather than 'xterm'. The application
paying attention to the mouse is still xterm.
> However, it does not last more than a couple hours, after which it is
> entirely useless.
Then something you do in those "couple hours" alters things.
> What I really, really want to do with the mouse is to use the scroll
> wheel to _slowly_ page up and page down -- one line at a time -- in the
> pager while reading _l-l-l-o-o-o-n-n-n-g-g-g_ messages. Your suggestion
> does *not* do that for me . . .
It doesn't? What do you think this does?
,: string("OA") \n\
,: string("OB")\n\ ' \
That says "when you see a Btn4Down event followed by a Btn4Up event, send
Escape+O+A to the window". That's UP.
It also says "when you see a Btn5Down event followed by a Btn5Up event,
send Escape+O+B to the window". That's DOWN.
It doesn't matter whether mutt is in the index or the pager. The arrow
keys are being sent to it... what it does with them is its own business.
Now... if you've told mutt to *ignore* the arrow keys, or you're using them
for something else, then no, this wouldn't do what you expect. Make it
send whatever YOU need it to send. Make it send the less_than and
greater_than keys, if that's what you've configured mutt to use for
scrolling.
> > # mousewheel scrolls single lines
>
> *Only* in the index?
The fact that you think the arrow keys only work in the index makes it more
plain that you've remapped them somehow for the pager.
> > # shift-mousewheel scrolls two lines
> > # ctrl-mousewheel scrolls four lines
>
> Very nice touch -- especially, if it did so in the pager . . .
It does... see above.
> > unset LC_ALL
> > export LANG=en_US
> > export LC_COLLATE=C
>
> Personally, I never understand why -- in a long list -- anybody wants to sort this:
>
>a
>b
>C
>
> like this ?!?!
>
>C
>a
>b
Who said that was what I was after? The en_US locale ignores punctuation
characters in a sort, which means that:
1 -rw-rw 1 mwilson mail 151361 Sep 07 17:10 /var/spool/mail/mwilson
2 N -rw--- 1 mwilson mwilson 15230038 Sep 07 19:20 =_caughtspam
3 N -rw--- 1 mwilson mwilson 11215 Sep 07 13:50 =_junkfile
4 N -rw--- 1 mwilson mwilson 15257655 Sep 07 17:40 =blackbox-ml
5 N -rw--- 1 mwilson mwilson 2731866 Sep 06 17:30 =bugtraq-ml
ends up looking like:
1 N -rw--- 1 mwilson mwilson 15257655 Sep 07 17:40 =blackbox-ml
2 N -rw--- 1 mwilson mwilson 2731866 Sep 06 17:30 =bugtraq-ml
3 N -rw--- 1 mwilson mwilson 15230038 Sep 07 19:20 =_caughtspam
4 N -rw--- 1 mwilson mwilson 11215 Sep 07 13:50 =_junkfile
5 -rw-rw 1 mwilson mail 151361 Sep 07 17:10 /var/spool/mail/mwilson
Which would be fine if there weren't any mailboxes after 'j', but there
are. It's ANNOYING.
> So, all in all, I learned something valuable from your exercise; but, I
> still cannot understand howto use the mouse scroll wheel to scroll up
> and down in long messages.
>
> What do you think?
I think you've got things confused between mutt and the xterm it's running
in and who has control of and who's listening to the mouse. I think you've
reconfigured the default keybindings in mutt such that the arrow keys do
not scroll single lines in the pager. I think that you've got some
application or process not yet described that modifies the X resource
database and alters in some way the settings for the xterm you're running
mutt in.
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Re: nfs is driving me crazy...
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:50:43PM -0400, Neal Lippman wrote: > I could use some help from someone knowledgeable re: nfs. > For reference, both systems run testing. Testing's current nfs-kernel-server is b0rken. Or it is for me, at least, when used versus an unstable client. Downgrade to: $ dpkg -l | grep nfs-ker hi nfs-kernel-ser 1.0.3-1Kernel NFS server support And I'll bet that fixes your problem. The version in unstable doesn't have the problem. I did some fiddling with it to try and determine the actual change between -1 and -2 that caused it, but I needed a working server, so I quit. And yes, I should have filed a bug. Should have done a lot of things the last couple of weeks. Work comes first, though. -- Marc Wilson | Fuch's Warning: If you actually look like your [EMAIL PROTECTED] | passport photo, you aren't well enough to travel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wheel mouse with mutt
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:18:04AM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > Right the "arrow" keys, which for most will change messages, by default. Yes, I will eat crow here. My muttrc has: bind pager previous-line bind pager next-line And it's been there so long that I'd forgotten it was there. It's not him who's changed the defaults, it's me. /me puts on the dunce cap. Apologies. -- Marc Wilson | Five is a sufficiently close approximation to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | infinity. -- Robert Firth "One, two, five." -- | Monty Python and the Holy Grail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggest CD RW app ?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 12:04:19AM +0200, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote: > I think k3b is the best, it works fine on my laptop (1024x768), don't know > how small your screen is, but it can be resized to about 600x480, And gee, it requires all of KDE, just to have a front-end to cdrecord. Pfui. Use cdw. It's a curses app. (why the OP stated that a GUI app was better for occasional use boggles the mind) -- Marc Wilson | We are what we are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /var/backups What script populates this
On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 10:14:15AM -0500, wsykes.lists wrote: > I noticed a nice little backup action occuring in /var/backups. > What script does this? and is it configurable? /etc/cron.daily/standard -- Marc Wilson | Knocked, you weren't in. -- Opportunity [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in gvim
On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 02:05:03PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > gvim only offers up a seemingly small subset of fonts on my system > (compared to what Mozilla shows, for example). *Which* gvim? A GTK1 gvim is going to use any XLFD font you care to name... a GTK2 gvim is only going to use ones served by fontconfig (Xft2). > I'd like to use the font that my xterm uses, but I'm not sure what it's > using. I'm not setting the xterm font in .Xdefaults Unless you tell it otherwise, xterm is more than likely using the 'fixed' font alias. Check its app-defaults file to be sure. If you're running xterm using anti-aliased fonts, then it could be using anything available to Xft1, which is pretty much, again, any XLFD. You've got standard X fonts, you've got Xft1-rendered fonts, and you've got Xft2-rendered fonts. -- Marc Wilson | Obstacles are what you see when you take your eyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] | off your goal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD RW on Debian
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 03:58:12PM -0500, wsykes.lists wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good internal or external DVD RW drive i could use > with Debian? The Panasonic drives are always a good bet. I have a A05 in my main box with no problems. -- Marc Wilson | There is no royal road to geometry. -- Euclid [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: starting different window managers
On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 09:09:09AM +0100, Mark wrote: > or you could use update-alternatives to update 'x-window-manager' to > point to your wm of choice, which is the debian method. Uh, no, the Debian method is the bog-standard method of correctly configuring your ~/.xsession file to start the X clients you want. If the user doesn't have one, then it uses the system one. The x-window-manager alternative is a fallback, and fails miserably at usability the moment there's more than one person using the box. Plus, you have to be root to modify the alternative. -- Marc Wilson | birth, n: The first and direst of all disasters. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: providing default route
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 12:10:23PM -0400, Chad M Stewart wrote: > Where is the proper place in debian to define the default route? I've > got my own hack, but I'd like to know the 'proper' place. Unless you're doing something truly outrageous, there should be no reason to need to define anything yourself. A properly configured interfaces file is all you should need. -- Marc Wilson | It's not? Are you saying that you SHOULD allow [EMAIL PROTECTED] | people (other than William Wallace) to shoot | lightning bolts from their arse? -- Seth Galbraith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No sourcing of ~/.profile at login
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 01:38:48PM -0400, Daniel B. wrote: > It also means that you have to put settings in two places (your shell's > login-initialization file _and_ .xsession). I do this in ~/.xsession: # source ~/.bashrc to get our environment vars # we're a login script, so this is OK if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then source ~/.bashrc fi Seems to do the job. -- Marc Wilson | Sometimes a man who deserves to be looked down upon [EMAIL PROTECTED] | because he is a fool is despised only because he is | a lawyer. -- Montesquieu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in gvim
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 12:10:34AM -0500, Kenneth Pronovici wrote:
> I personally don't care about fancy antialised fonts in my text editor.
> I just want my "6x13" font back, and I don't want to have to build my
> own version of vim just to get it.
>
> Any suggestions on how to get that xterm font to show up in the GTK2
> version of Vim that's in unstable?
You don't. From the :help -->
'guifont' 'gfn' string (default "")
global
{not in Vi}
{only available when compiled with GUI enabled}
This is a list of fonts which will be used for the GUI version of Vim.
For the GTK+ 2 GUI the font name looks like this: >
:set guifont=Andale\ Mono\ 11
< That's all. XLFDs are no longer accepted.
So... either you build a GTK1/Motif/xaw vesion of the package, you build it
from sources yourself, or you find a font that's both known to fontconfig
and that you can live with.
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Re: cdparanoia + ide-scsi = no usable drive?
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:27:30PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > Is cdparanoia not compatible with ide-scsi for some reason? (why?) Works fine here... I have four optical drives in this box, all controlled by ide-scsi, and cdparanoia will rip from any or all of them. -- Marc Wilson | Osborn's Law: Variables won't; constants aren't. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:07:53AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Gak! And send him into Dependency Hell? That's nonsense. People like to throw that crap out, but users cause it for themselves when they install RPM's from random places, same as Debian users cause it for themselves when they install DEB's from random places. Not that I recommend DeadRat to anyone, but Joe User isn't going to be going to rpmfind.net or anywhere else and installing random junk. -- Marc Wilson | If there was any justice in the world, "trust" [EMAIL PROTECTED] | would be a four-letter word. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT]: launch a file from mc?
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:31:00AM -0400, Matt Price wrote: > anyone know if it's possible to launch an external program from mc? Certainly. Command Menu >> Edit Extension File -- Marc Wilson | Sometimes a man who deserves to be looked down upon [EMAIL PROTECTED] | because he is a fool is despised only because he is | a lawyer. -- Montesquieu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vim: available colors?
On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 03:10:00AM +, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > How do I know which color names are available for a given colordepth? I > assume that using 'set t_Co=16' is going to give me fewer color options > than if I set that to, say, 256 (and would any terminals support 256?). Terminals support 16 colors (well, eight plus intensity). If you want to change them, change what the *term thinks the colors represent. So, *you* still call it 'Red', but you get the neat pastel thing you want instead of the bright thing you can't read (just as an example). In xterm, this is easily done with a couple of resource settings. For gvim, of course, you can use any hex triplet as a color. In the console, I think you're stuck. :( -- Marc Wilson | The universe is made of stories, not of atoms. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Muriel Rukeyser -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] kernel versioning: extra suffixes
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 05:54:25PM +0300, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > where can we find the meaning of the extra suffixes for the kernel > vesrioning (e.g, -ac, -preN, -bkN) ? Not sure that there's even a canonical list, or that there would need to be since these are rather obvious, after all... Anyway: -ac = an Alan Cox kernel, usually numbered -preN = a pre-release kernel, #N in a series -bkN= a BitKeeper snapshot, #N in a series -- Marc Wilson | BOFH excuse #249: Unfortunately we have run out of [EMAIL PROTECTED] | bits/bytes/whatever. Don't worry, the next supply | will be coming next week. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unstable in the house
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 02:13:35AM +0100, Antony Gelberg wrote: > brain:/home/antgel# update-alternatives --config x-window-manager > > There are 0 alternatives which provide `x-window-manager'. What does setting the x-window-manager alternative have to do with setting the Gnome window manager? Assuming you want metacity (shudder) for the window manager, 'man metacity' will tell you what you need to know. -- Marc Wilson | Old age is always fifteen years old than I am. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | B. Baruch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: knx-hdinstall vs dist-upgrade. taking bets.
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 05:11:29PM -0400, S. Loisel wrote: > I've decided to install Knoppix on my hard disk. It has been suggested > before that this is a good way to get an initial installation of Debian > up and running, and it's true that the process is very seamless. It is if you never plan on doing anything with it, perhaps. > I want to try out Debian due to its much vaunted ease of maintenance and > distribution upgrades. Then do. What does Knoppix have to do with that? Install stable, work from there. Not like it's hard or anything. > Starting from Knoppix 3.3, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade does > something reasonable looking, but apt-get dist-upgrade downloads > hundreds of megabytes, uninstalls most of my OS, and then leaves it in > an unusable, non-gui state. I'd imagine so. Knoppix is a mix of packages from testing and unstable, with some gratuitously altered stuff thrown in for flavor. Since you gave it license to remove packages in order to deduce a dependency solution (you did bother to learn what the difference was between 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade', right?), it did what it had to do in order to achieve a solution. Then it resisted attempts to break it. The only safe thing to try is to take it directly to unstable, and I'd imagine that, depending on your package mix, that might not work either. -- Marc Wilson | Think of your family tonight. Try to crawl home [EMAIL PROTECTED] | after the computer crashes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a2ps in unstable: config files have changed
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 12:25:37PM -0700, Tom wrote: > No response from package maintainer -- can anyone answer this question > about the newest a2ps in unstable? I don't supposed you actually bothered to read the changelog or anything, right? After all, you're an unstable user, so why would you want to know anything about changes to the package? Of course, the several paper-handling bugs so far reported against it to the BTS aren't at all relevant either. a2ps (4.13b+cvs.2003.09.20-1) unstable; urgency=low * Basically test release - more will come soon. * New upstream release (CVS snapshot). * Acknowledged NMU - closes: #191372 * Fixed in the upstream - closes: #156077, #143127, #185983, #195249, #126436, #62053, #113057 * Added some Build-Depends - closes: #207612, #187178, #188347, #193034 * Added Recommends: cupsys-client - closes: #194061 * Added composeglyphs.1 manpage by Kevin Kreamer - closes: #39488 * Ran bootstrap - closes: #201911 * Patch#10 handles ISO-8859-5 correctly - closes: #201887 * Patch#11 adds gnuplot support for ogonkify - closes: #194464 * libpaper support is missing in the upstream. I'll port it ASAP. ^--- +- gee, might be relevant? Take my comments however you like... the fact that people think they need to be running unstable and can't do trivial things to find out what's up with packages will always bug me. Yes, *I* use it, and so I pay attention to it. May I suggest you install apt-listchanges so that you, as well, can pay attention to it? -- Marc Wilson | John Dame May Oscar Was Gay Was Whitty Was Wilde [EMAIL PROTECTED] | But Gerard Hopkins But John Greenleaf But Thornton | Was Manley Was Whittier Was Wilder -- Willard Espy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unstable in the house
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 04:19:08AM +0100, Antony Gelberg wrote: > Thanks for the reply. You obviously haven't read the metacity manpage. Except, of course, that I have... especially the bit that describes the --replace option. A small bit, I admit, but it's there. I suppose it's rather appropriate that a window manager as featureless as metacity has as featureless a man page. The alternatives system is not intended to control what window manager Gnome uses. It's intended to provide a sane and safe default for X to use to get a basic environment running. The fact that metacity registers an alternative for x-window-manager is a bonus, not a requirement. The fact that newbies are told that x-window-manager is the way to control what window manager they're using is unfortunate. -- Marc Wilson | I'm QUIETLY reading the latest issue of "BOWLING [EMAIL PROTECTED] | WORLD" while my wife and two children stand QUIETLY | BY ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ugly PDF display: libXft.so.1 vs. libXft.so.2 / Freetype
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 03:43:13PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've been wondering why Xpdf's display looks so bad compared to > mozilla's display of web pages. What you see in Mozilla is usually optimized for the screen... what you see in a PDF isn't. Xpdf by default is going to try and make things 72 dpi, which may work with what it's going to display, and may not. Further, Mozilla is going to be preferring TrueType's by default, while xpdf is more than likely trying to use Type1's. Unless you can point *at the same font* (not the same name, the same font), in both xpdf and Mozilla, and choose one, there's no basis to make a comparison. If you play with the -t1lib option in xpdf, and the rendering of the displayed font changes, then it's preferring Type1's. At least for that particular PDF, of course. > - If Xpdf was instead using libXft.so.2 would I see an improvement in > font rendering? Possible but not likely. > - Is the issue described at http://www.freetype.org/patents.html a > factor? That is, would enabling the "TrueType bytecode interpreter" in > FreeType2 improve fonts for my libXft.so.2 linked programs much? I believe Debian's libfreetype has the interpreter enabled, although this has gone back and forth several times. > - Or, is one of the problems the fonts selected in the PDF file just are > not that great? Ah, got it in one. -- Marc Wilson | Lying is an indispensable part of making life [EMAIL PROTECTED] | tolerable. -- Bergan Evans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: windows NT
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 12:12:41PM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote: > Please see the advocacy howto and the output of "dict troll". No offense, but most of the "advocates" should be shot. Have you never read COLA? Or slashcrap? -- Marc Wilson | BOFH excuse #92: Stale file handle (next time use [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tupperware(tm)!) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: aha-2940 scsi controller problem
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 12:55:08PM +0200, Andraz Sraka wrote: > I'm having difficulty making teac scsi cdrom to work with aha-2940 scsi > controller under kernel 2.4.19. Termination. In my experience, the automatic termination on the 2940 usually isn't. Make sure that the bus is terminated properly and if at all possible don't have the 2940 handle it at all. And before you ask, yes it's entirely possible that even a screwed-up SCSI bus would work well enough for the host adapter to identify the drive, but still not be able to actually use it. -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg05771/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian 3 Woddy und Geforce 4MX
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 08:16:11PM +1000, Matthias Szupryczynski wrote: > Second, as far as I know, Woody should have no problem running X with a > Geforce 4 MX card ... Woody will indeed have a problem running a GF4 card... if I remember correctly the 'nv' driver in XFree 4.1.0 doesn't know what one is. You have to use nVidia's binary-only driver. I believe there is support in 4.2.x, though: [09:04][pts/8][drivers] $ strings nv_drv.o | grep "GeForce4 MX" GeForce4 MX 420 GeForce4 MX 440 GeForce4 MX 460 -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: logitech iTouch keyboard
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 06:31:13PM +0200, Mirek Dobsicek wrote: > Hi, > I'd like to ask if Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard > is running under Sarge. A friend of mine warned me about that the extra > keys can generate unknown scancodes Depends on your definition of "unknown". Certainly they are scancodes not assigned to anything... but if they're generated, they must by definition be "known". > and cause problems. Nonsense. Toss him back and find a better quality of friend. If you want to use them, take a look at xmodmap or the hotkeys package. -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Writing [was: Re: The Real Problem With Debian]
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 07:47:48PM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > Unless I'm passing options to a module, I *always* simply add it to the > /etc/modules file -- and I've never had a problem. Then what's the point of it being a module? If it's going to be loaded all the time, then build it into the kernel and be done with it. I never have seen the point in /etc/modules except for people that use the packaged kernels (where, of course, you want everything to be a module so you can support the max hardware without having the kernel that ate Detroit). Although I suppose for something like a SCSI adapter, you could then unload and reload the module to get devices re-detected or something. -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Real Problem With Debian
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 04:25:27AM -0400, Michael D. Crawford wrote: > I find the clipboard utterly incomprehensible, and nearly useless. Why? > Copy some text from a gnome-terminal and then highlight some text in the > URL box of mozilla and paste to replace it with a URL you got out of the > terminal. Yes, true enough. Highlighting copies the text. Basic to the definition. If that's not what you want, then blank the URL box first (ctrl-U, or highlight it and backspace), or paste it into the client window which will make Mozilla load it. Make sure it stays highlighted while you paste it into Mozilla, though (see below)... > Or copy some text from a window, close the window (to make space on the > screen) and then paste. The text disappears, because X doesn't really have > a concept of a clipboard, but uses selections instead, and if the selection > disappears, so does your text. Uh, no. X has two... the cut buffer and the selection buffer. The behavior depends not on the source, but on what the destination expects to use when you perform a paste operation. Example... open two xterms, highlight some text in one, then close it, then middle-mouse-click in the other. Pastes it just fine, eh? That's because xterm cares about the cut buffer. Now, try to paste the same thing into Mozilla's client area. Hm, that didn't work, did it? Mozilla doesn't care what's in the cut buffer... all it cares about is what's in the primary selection buffer. You can blame applications, but don't blame X. > Mozilla manages to do it in a way that I find comfortable, but it only > works when transferring text within mozilla or from mozilla to other > applications. Actually, Mozilla is, IMHO, one of the worst offenders, in large measure because of the behavior you describe below. > And it only works as long as mozilla is still running. What > mozilla apparently does is maintain an internal clipboard buffer that it > declares as the selection to the rest of X, rather than supplying text that > is selected in a window but has not been subjected to a "Copy" command. The problem isn't that X doesn't provide facilities. The problem is that there isn't a central standards authority (hello, MS) forcing user-interface standards down the throats of applications. So, since there are multiple ways to do things, some apps do things one way, some do things another way, and some do things in a mixture of the two (hello, Mozilla). If you want to really tell what applications are doing, run xclipboard for a while and give a little attention to when it updates. It might surprise you. All it really means is that you need to know what your applications expect. That, or stick to Gnome/KDE, where the same standards enforcement is going on. Just my opinion. -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window-managers don't find their fonts
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 12:04:16PM +0200, Hans Musil wrote: > My X-server is running, but I can't start neither twm nor fvwm2. When > putting "exec xterm" into my $HOME/.xsession, the xterm appears on the > raw X-surface and ist usable. Yes, by creating ~/.xsession, you've taken complete control over the X clients that get started. You've not started a window manager there, therefore one does not get started. Make sure the last line of your ~/.xsession is 'exec fvwm' (or whatever other manager you want to use). Also make sure you are backgrounding any other X clients you start there. > Trying to start fvwm2 ends in an error-message, saying that fvwm2 > doesn't find its default-font. At the other hand, "fslsfonts -server > 'unix/:7100'" can find all fonts. No, the actual message is no doubt to the effect that it cannot find the 'fixed' font. This is a FAQ. Refer to the X FAQ in the xfree86-common package. -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X behaving wierdly after last SID upgrade
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 01:21:02PM -0700, Kenward Vaughan wrote: > Mine doesn't even bother asking. I keep a backup of the good file on hand. It doesn't ask because you've told it once that you want it to manage it. If you don't want it destroying it, change that. -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lite On 40x Burner
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 04:58:09PM -0500, Steven Isaacson wrote: > Has anyone had success using a Lite On 40/12/48(LTR40125S) burner with cdrecord and > debian? I was looking around and couldn't find any definative answer. I realize you've already bought the Plextor (good drive), but thought I'd still comment about the 40125S since I own one and have been using it quite a bit. It does DAE hella fast. REALLY hella fast. Problem is, it doesn't deal well at all with discs that aren't absolutely pristine while doing it. I have more than a few discs that it returns media errors on while my stodgy ol' SCSI Toshiba SD-M1201 DVD-ROM has no trouble with them (although at about half the speed). This may be limited to my configuration (as I have the drive doing UDMA) or it may be endemic to the model... I have no idea. I did put the latest firmware in it and the behavior didn't change. As far as burning goes, it works well. I don't make videoCD's, so I can't speak to that, but it burns even cheap discs very reliably. It supports DAO, but it's one of the drives that insists on knowing how large the track is, or it won't accept the CUE sheet. This caused me no end of trouble figuring out because my previous Lite-On burner (4120B combo drive) didn't care... it just burned whatever you fed it and didn't complain. It was just slow about it. :) I'm not sure yet whether I'd rather have that behavior or a drive that was a little smarter and tried not to overrun the disc. :) This also affects its ability to overburn a disc (like to burn a 90 or 99 minute CD). It's perfectly willing to do it, but only in DAO, and then you have to use 'tsize=' to cdrecord to tell it how much data it's going to write. I had to hack eroaster (my fave burning front-end) to make the additional call to mkisofs to determine the size before I could create 90 min discs with it. Note that the previous only applies to data discs... it creates 90 minute audio discs without any complaints. > The drive is $40 cheaper then the 40x Plextor. I really don't care to > waste my money. Plextor is *never* a waste of money. And now I understand they're planning on getting back into SCSI... -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can't install blackdown java
On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 10:15:52AM +0200, Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka wrote: > apt-get -f install > Vlada How is this going to help him, when what he has is a missing package? Why does everyone automatically offer this, like it fixes anything and everything? -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 07:36:44PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > Personally I prefer the two distinct monitors over xinerama though. I knew we'd bring you to sanity sooner or later. :) -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla craches new libc6
I'm sure someone's probably already pointed this out, but in case they haven't... On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 03:00:09PM +0100, Marcel Lemmen wrote: > As promised my problem with newest libc6 version... It's not libc6... > java_vm: relocation error: > /usr/local/mozilla/plugins/java2/lib/i386/libjava.so: symbol __libc_wait, > version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference > INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not read ack from browser > System error?:: Resource temporarily unavailable Get a better Java than Sun's. Theirs is using the invalid symbol. Theirs is what's causing the problem. > I've tried several Mozilla versions and Phoenix. The newest > Java-plugin has been installed... That's not the problem... Oh, yes it is... > After I've downgraded libc6 it workes fine, unfortunately this is the only > thing which is working fine... Has anyone else noticed this problem? That's because you've downgraded to a libc6 that has the symbol. -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Moving away from KDE to what?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 10:08:05AM +0100, Alex Polite wrote:
> 1) Must be able to "maximize window to available space" a la
>enlightenment.
I don't know anything that has *that*, save for E itself and probably one
of the ion-type window managers (which do it by definition). That would be
an interesting idea to wedge into something like Blackbox or Openbox, both
of which support a smart-placement algorithm that tries to place a window
in a non-overlapping spot when it first maps (although Openbox is far
better at it). What you describe would be extending that same algorithm to
a resize operation.
I'll point it out to the Openbox people.
> 2) Must support multiple sequence key bindings a la emacs.
Blackbox loses here, as its key-binding utility (bbkeys) doesn't support
chaining at all yet. It will in its next version, according to the author.
Openbox's utility (epistrophy) does right now, like so:
# ~/.openbox/epistrc 103102
options {
ChainTimeout 2500;
stackedCycling true;
stackedCyclingRaise true;
}
# Windows
Mod4-x {
t toggleOmnipresent;
s toggleShade;
m toggleMaximizeFull;
v toggleMaximizeVertical;
h toggleMaximizeHorizontal;
d toggleDecorations;
i iconify;
x close;
n nextWindow;
p prevWindow;
}
Epistrophy is a NETWM keygrabber, so it would also work with the current
CVS Blackbox.
> 3) Must be fast.
Then you definately want something along the lines of Blackbox/Openbox.
Speed is a primary design goal of Blackbox, and the Openbox fork hasn't
given that up. :)
I've not seen anything much faster except for stuff like aewm, which fails
#1 and #2 bigtime.
> 4) Must be faster.
See #3. :)
Personally, I'd recommend Openbox. It has all of what you want, save parts
of #1. It takes Blackbox and extends it to add stuff like support for AA,
customizable buttons, and more orthagonal style element support.
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Re: dosemu
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 09:09:12PM +0100, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > I'd like to invite comments, criticism, additions, suggestions, > and tips, to the following 'Dosemu for Dummies': > > http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/dosemu.html It's interesting... I really hadn't any idea that dosemu had gone so far that you could just place files in $HOME and have it boot them. I'm going to have to try that... my normal setup is with FreeDOS, but I have a reason to want to boot DOS 6 and DOS 3.3 as well. However, I take exception to your assertion that it doesn't work out of the box. If all you do is install the Debian dosemu package, and launch it, it will complain about no operating system. But it *works*. If you then follow the maintainer's instructions and install FreeDOS, it boots that just fine. If it didn't for you, I think you should file a bug against the package, since that's what the maintainer says should work. In both console and X, for all users of the box. :) See http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss11171054.png for an example. I regularly run several different DOS programs on several different VT's through FreeDOS. It's come a LONG way in the last couple of years. I just wish Sourcer would behave properly. This is not to run down your HOWTO. It works. Follow it, and you have a guaranteed working dosemu. -- Marc Wilson | Many Myths are based on truth -- Spock, "The Way to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Eden", stardate 5832.3 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.1. plugin failure
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 06:15:27PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: > It was a bug in that version of libstdc++; the maintainer just made a > typo in the name of the symlink. Fixed versions went up with hours, > fortunately. You sure picked a bad time to upgrade your sid machine, I > can't even remember the last time something broke this badly... How quickly people forget the last PAM breakage... -- Marc Wilson | "If I do not return to the pulpit this weekend, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | millions of people will go to hell." -- Jimmy | Swaggart, 5/20/88 msg13538/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: instead of xv?
On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:35:59PM +, Glyn wrote: > Kevin Coyner wrote: > > A fluxbox theme I'm trying has the command > > > > rootCommand: xv -root -rmode 5 -max -quit ~/.fluxbox/bkgnds/pic.jpg > > xloadimage will probably do this. Also bsetbg, but that's part of the > blackbox package. Remember, bsetbg is a shell script that is actually going to call whatever utility you configure it to call. All you've done is add one level of abstraction to the problem. :) People needing xv specifically could always swipe it from a Potato disk set, or the latest-packaged Debian (3.10a-26) is still out there on the 'net. I saved the doc package and the binary in my archives in case I ever needed it again... someday I'll scrounge up the source deb and build it against xlibs instead of xlib6g. :) -- Marc Wilson | > 1. is qmail as secure as they say? Depends on [EMAIL PROTECTED] | what they were saying, but most likely yes. -- | Seen on debian-devel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
