Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 25 May 2012 18:51:16 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Fri 25 May 2012 at 16:56:51 +, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 17:22:11 +0100, Brian wrote:
>> 
>> > I suggest you have a look at how CUPS works. This statement is
>> > exactly the opposite of what happens when a PostScript job is
>> > submitted.
>> 
>> How is that? Both, printer and driver, share the same language.
> 
> Not quite. The PPD file/driver combination has to produce a file which,
> when sent to the printer, is understandable by the printer. The
> Gutenprint driver. for example, will always send PCL to an HP2200
> because, even though the printer can understand PostScript, the driver
> is designed to output only in the native language of the printer.

But that only happens when the printer does not natively support PS which 
does not seem to be the case; according to the printer specs¹ it features 
HP PCL 6, HP PCL 5e and HP Postscript Level 2 emulation.

> CUPS in Debian turns any input file into PDF, apart from a PDF file, of
> course. A PostScript file is filtered first by pstopdf, then by
> pdftopdf. A PDF file would only be filtered by pdftopdf. If the PPD file
> tells CUPS the printer wants PostScript it uses pdftops. Otherwise,
> there are other filters for converting the PDF coming from pdftopdf into
> the printer specific language.

The problem still remains: the PDF file is not able to be printed 
properly, it can be either because of a corrupted file (badly-crafted), a 
problem with the driver (that is not able to interpret the code of the 
file) an error in CUPS, a problem within the application used to display 
the file... to solve the problem we have to start discarding all these 
things. 

>> I've always understood (and that's also my own experience) is the
>> opposite. Even in windows, a PS driver it takes longer to proceed with
>> the job because PS uses a very descriptive and detailed language.
> 
> I wasn't concerned with speed as such but with your giving this as a
> reason for saying '. . . no conversion is needed between the doc and the
> printer' for a PS file.

When you are using a PPD which defines the capabilities of the printer 
and how it has to behave and both (printer harwdare and printer driver) 
"speak" a standard language (like PostScript) you're reducing the chances 
for an error than when using any other emulated language such as PCL, 
simply because PS is not device-dependant, but PCL is, meaning -for the 
latter- that you completely rely on the printer's capablities and how your 
device interprets the job you are sending to it.

¹http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&taskId=120&prodSeriesId=28861&prodTypeId=18972&prodSeriesId=28861&objectID=bpl10417#A3

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Re: Dying Iceweasel.

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:11:08 -0700, Peter Easthope wrote:

> On 25/05/12 09:49 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>> Running testing is not a guaratee for having the latest versions of the
>> programs, you have to check by your own, for instance, Wheezy has
>> Icewasel 10.0 while Firefox is now 12 (so you can still test with
>> Firefox 12 -download and run- and see what happens) and the same can
>> happen with the flash player plugin, you can verify what version are
>> you running from
> 
> OK, I should have compared the outputs from dpkg -l more thoroughly. For
> example,
> peter@dalton:~$ dpkg -l iceweasel | grep ice 
> ii  iceweasel 12.0-7~bpo60+1  Web browser based on Firefox
> 
> whereas,
> peter@armada:~$ dpkg -l iceweasel | grep ice 
> rc  iceweasel  3.5.16-15 Web browser based on Firefox .

Are you _still_ running 3.5.x? :-O

Wow... and you wonder why it closes in some sites? Update that legacy 
piece of code, sir. And don't be afraid, as I said, I'm _still_ using 
Lenny (oldstable) with Firefox 12 and life goes its way, flawlessly (I 
mean, Firefox seems to run smoothly with old distributions).

> Also I'd forgotten about,
> peter@dalton:~$ grep back /etc/apt/sources.list deb
> http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb
> http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release
> 
> and there are no such entries in armada.  After these lines are added to
> armada:/etc/apt/sources.list, aptitude declines to update iceweasel
> claiming that the source is untrusted.  Months back I must have "fixed"
> aptitude configuration in dalton to allow "untrusted sources" and
> forgotten about "that little detail".  Is there a straightforward way to
> deal with this?

Instructions for using those repos are detailed here:

http://mozilla.debian.net/

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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 25 May 2012 19:45:47 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Fri 25 May 2012 at 17:17:53 +, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 19:02:36 +0200, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote:
>> 
>> > It fails on all PDFs
>> 
>> That sounds very strange...
> 
> But important, do you not think, because the result is consistent.

Not sure what it means, it can point to:

1/ A problem within CUPS / drivers
2/ A problem within the program he uses to print the files

However... it makes no sense that works in one computer and fails in the 
other given that both share the same configuration and print the same 
files to the same printer.

>> > and I run the short test by printing page 1 of the Advanced Bas
>> > h−Scripting Guide.
>> 
>> Try and put here the results of:
>> 
>> 1/ Converting the PDF into a PS file (still don't?) ;-)
> 
> Suppose this extra conversion works: where does he go from there?
> Condemned for ever to always convert PDF to PS for every application he
> uses. :) The Flying Dutchman of Debian printing (sorry).

He should go to bugzilla, of course, where CUPS and printer experts are 
and with the results of the done tests and their results, what else? ;-)

>> 2/ Also, you can try to send the PDF job directly to the printer's
>> queue ("lp -d hp2200 your_file.pdf")
> 
> This is essentially no different from the command used to print from
> most desktop applications.

You don't know what are the extra options every application adds when 
sends a job to the queue... we are "testing" and that's how the tests 
need to be done.

>> 3/ Use a generic PCL6 driver or try even with the latest PPD file(s)
>> coming from the upstream hplip (3.12.4), i.e., "hp-
>> laserjet_2200_series.ppd" and "hp-laserjet_2200-pcl3.ppd".
> 
> Not a method to be discarded. If it works it will mask the problem but
> that may be worthwhile progress for the OP. I do wonder, though, whether
> the upstream PPD files are more up-to-date or bug-free than the ones in
> Debian.

The version of the PPD files are printed in the same files. Again, trying 
won't harm.

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Re: OT: useless pedantic argumentative noise: aptitude changelog gives "You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list"

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 01:48:15 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

> On Thu, 24 May 2012 15:00:17 + (UTC), Camaleón wrote in message
> :
> 
>> On Wed, 23 May 2012 20:59:43 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>> 
>> > On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:41:06 + (UTC), Camaleón wrote in message
>> > :
>> 
>> >> > ..that probably depends on the usefulness of your definition of
>> >> > "$subject". ;o)
>> >> 
>> >> There's no much room for guessing:
>> > 
>> > ..no? ;o)
>> 
>> Sure not. What's what you understand?
> 
> ..er, why you carry onlike this? ;o)
> Withdrawn, yer'onnor! ;oD

(...)

I'm just trying you to understand what the problem of the OP _is_ but I'm 
starting to feel wasted with this and given the emptiness of your last 
comments, you neither seem to be interested on this. Game over.

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Re: OT Seach for Elaborate Address Book Program

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 25 May 2012 14:45:26 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote:

> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 04:17:52PM +, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:39:08 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote:
>> 
>> > I am planning to put a vast array of handwritten notes into some kind
>> > of order.  Notes include names and associated information -
>> > addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, spouse's name, childrens'
>> > names, boat names, birthdays, misc information.
>> > 
>> > An elaborate address book?  An apt-cache search addressbook found
>> > several programs.  rubric seemed the closest to meeting my needs but
>> > there was an installation problem:
>> > 
>> > Unpacking replacement rubrica ...
(...)
>> > it wont work.
>> 
>> It "won't" work or it "does not" work? I mean, despite the warning, can
>> you run the application? :-?
>> 
> I meant the application will not run.

What's the output when you launch it from command line? If it does not 
work, you can report it.

>> > Any suggestions of other programs to consider?
>> 
>> I use Thunderbird's addressbook to manage my contacts which can easily
>> handled (importing/exporting) by means of LDIF format. But if search
>> for a standalone application, how about "dlume"? Although I can't find
>> the site of the project, maybe it has been discontinued? :-?
>> 
> I did checkout dlume which has multiple fields for phone numbers, email
> addresses and url's but much of my information would have to be dumped
> in the notes field.

Address books are not usually well suited for "extended" notes (even 
Thunderbird's has a "small" notes field), well... Oulook did a good job 
in this regard :-)

Anyway, beyond the integrated address books of the big PIM managers 
(Thunderbird, Evolution and Kmail) I don't know of any standalone, off-
line and GUI based application though I would like to see a java-based 
one...

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Re: Broken cups.

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:09:23 -0500, Ed Siefker wrote:

(...)
 
> I have an HP2575 connected through the network.  I can print on this
> printer perfectly.
> My HP1300n is connected by USB.  I cannot print to this printer at all.

(...)

Try to print using the nework card (which is better -at least more 
stable- than USB). If it works, you can open a bug report for the USB 
connetivity problem.

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Re: Dying Iceweasel.

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 10:09:41 +, Camaleón wrote:

> On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:11:08 -0700, Peter Easthope wrote:

(...)

>> whereas,
>> peter@armada:~$ dpkg -l iceweasel | grep ice 
>> rc  iceweasel  3.5.16-15 Web browser based on Firefox .
> 
> Are you _still_ running 3.5.x? :-O

Mmm, wait. 

I didn't notice before the "rc" which means the package was removed and 
the config files remain. I would first check what's the current status of 
that package (is installed, broken...?).

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..solved: useless pedantic argumentative noise: aptitude changelog gives "You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list"

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 10:29:55 + (UTC), Camaleón wrote in message 
:

> On Sat, 26 May 2012 01:48:15 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

[...]
 
> I'm just trying you to understand what the problem of the OP _is_ but
> I'm starting to feel wasted with this and given the emptiness of your
> last comments, you neither seem to be interested on this. Game over.

..it is, it is.  Now, you may have missed a post (or 2?) in 
this thread, so here is where it all starts with OP's post:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/05/msg01735.html

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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

[Muhammad Yousuf Khan]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Lisi  wrote:
> On Friday 25 May 2012 18:23:37 Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Mika Suomalainen
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > On 25.05.2012 15:49, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 17:37 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
>> >>> deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
>> >>> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
>> >>> deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main
>> >>> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main
>> >>
>> >> You're issue is related to the sid repository. If you need something
>> >> from sid, then uncomment it and after that comment it. Don't feel secure
>> >> using pinning.
>> >>
>> >> You can name the repositories "stable" instead of "squeeze", so it will
>> >> use "stable" what ever Debian "stable" is named.
>> >
>> > Is it safe to use "stable" instead of "squeeze"? Are there usually any
>> > conflicts or anything what would need "full-upgrade" whenever new
>> > "stable" is named?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> No need for "aptitude full-upgrade", even "apt-get upgrade"/"aptitude
>> safe-upgrade" will pull in wheezy (partially) when it becomes
>> "stable".
>
> I prefer to use aptitude full-upgrade routinely - but I have the code name in
> my sources.list, not stable or testing.  I then change the code name when I
> want to get the more recent version.  So, Squeeze not stable, Muhammad.  you
> could get in quite a mess at the changeover point from Squeeze to Wheezy if
> you have stable in your sources.list, as several people have pointed out.

if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything.
should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean
to say (who support code name "squeeze" ) that if i "apt-get
upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade" will not crash my system if using
squeeze. because what i am worried about  here is system crash.

>
> I can't comment on your Windows analogies as I don't use Windows.  I think
> that you need to expect that Linux will be different from whatever you used
> in Windows.  They are very different OSs.
>
> FWIW, I do most of my admin from the CLI, including updating and upgrading.
> So yes, it can be done from the CLI.
>
> Lisi
>
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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

[Brian]

On Sat 26 May 2012 at 09:58:31 +, Camaleón wrote:

> On Fri, 25 May 2012 18:51:16 +0100, Brian wrote:
> > Not quite. The PPD file/driver combination has to produce a file which,
> > when sent to the printer, is understandable by the printer. The
> > Gutenprint driver. for example, will always send PCL to an HP2200
> > because, even though the printer can understand PostScript, the driver
> > is designed to output only in the native language of the printer.
> 
> But that only happens when the printer does not natively support PS which 
> does not seem to be the case; according to the printer specs¹ it features 
> HP PCL 6, HP PCL 5e and HP Postscript Level 2 emulation.

No, it happens because there is a line like this

   *cupsFilter:"application/vnd.cups-raster 100 rastertogutenprint.5.0"

in the PPD file.
 
> > CUPS in Debian turns any input file into PDF, apart from a PDF file, of
> > course. A PostScript file is filtered first by pstopdf, then by
> > pdftopdf. A PDF file would only be filtered by pdftopdf. If the PPD file
> > tells CUPS the printer wants PostScript it uses pdftops. Otherwise,
> > there are other filters for converting the PDF coming from pdftopdf into
> > the printer specific language.
> 
> The problem still remains: the PDF file is not able to be printed 
> properly, it can be either because of a corrupted file (badly-crafted), a 
> problem with the driver (that is not able to interpret the code of the 
> file) an error in CUPS, a problem within the application used to display 
> the file... to solve the problem we have to start discarding all these 
> things.

The OP has a PCL error on one machine. It is legitimate to use a PPD
file producing PostScript to see if it resolves the problem. Converting
the input file to PostScript before sending it to CUPS is something
entirely different and of doubtful merit.

> > I wasn't concerned with speed as such but with your giving this as a
> > reason for saying '. . . no conversion is needed between the doc and the
> > printer' for a PS file.
> 
> When you are using a PPD which defines the capabilities of the printer 
> and how it has to behave and both (printer harwdare and printer driver) 
> "speak" a standard language (like PostScript) you're reducing the chances 
> for an error than when using any other emulated language such as PCL, 
> simply because PS is not device-dependant, but PCL is, meaning -for the 
> latter- that you completely rely on the printer's capablities and how your 
> device interprets the job you are sending to it.

The standard language used for printing in Debian has been PDF for over
three years. There is no inherent benefit in inputting a PostScript file
to CUPS.

You are also confusing the input file with the file sent by a CUPS
backend to the printer. In the latter case, you reply completely on the
capabilities of the printer's interpreters whether the file contains
PostScript, PCL or any other language.



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Re: How to get new RSA key in known_hosts file?

[Slavko]

Ahoj,

Dňa Fri, 25 May 2012 23:08:05 +0100 Jon Dowland  napísal:

> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 09:59:03PM +0200, Slavko wrote:
> > then i see only one solution - delete/rename whole file and collect
> > them from start.
> 
> Well, yes - or resolve them one by one when you hit a host that has
> changed. In this situation, ssh will tell you which lines are
> troublesome.

i think, that i can live with useless entries now :-)

> > Please, what security is here? When I know the hostname (IP) i can
> > remove the host entry and then i can save new entry and i can show the
> > key for this host too. Only one i cannot - to know which hosts are in
> > the file...
> 
> The point of the hashing is that if someone breaks into your computer and
> steals your private key, your known_hosts file could give them a list of
> other machines that are likely to accept your key. If the hosts are
> hashed, they don't know the hosts.

thanks, i understand now ;-)

i see that i cannot be attacker, because i don't know to think as
attacker :-P

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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

[Muhammad Yousuf Khan]

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 18:28 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
>> In conclusion i found out that i should stick to stable and should not
>> play with the source list until unless it is necessary. even if i add
>> a repo then  i must comment it after installing the "whatever package"
>
> Yesno. I'll say yes, somebody else might recommend
> http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html

i was reading this article and it is very helpful and something new
that i learned but i am a bit confuse. how come i be safe in this
technique because what this article is saying means if i wanted to
install a specific package this would be helpful and if the package is
not in the "stable" then apt will check in testing and finally in sid.
but what if i run "apt-get upgrade" then my question is, would it be
safe and will not upgrade my OS to sid or testing.
>
> Do you need src? Src repos provide source code only. You might need
> headers to compile src codes from sourceforge etc., but seldom a Debian
> src. Google if there is a stable stable-updates repository etc. too.
>
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Re: Broken cups.

[Curt]

On 2012-05-25, Ed Siefker  wrote:

> I am unable to print on my HP 1300n.   I have cups installed, along
> with hpijs and hplip.

There's lots of troubleshooting techniques here, if I'm understanding
your problem correctly:

http://hplipopensource.com/node/332


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Re: Radeon HD 3470 dual monitors on Squeeze

[Rob Owens]

On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 10:23:53AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 09:05:35AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > I've been trying to get dual monitors to work on my Squeeze system.
> > Originally I was using both the onboard video and an additional video
> > card.  Now I have two monitors hooked up to the same video card (thanks
> > to a cheap craigslist purchase).
> > 
> > When I begin booting, both monitors give me a display.  But when the
> > boot process gets to the point where text display changes (framebuffer
> > turning on?) one monitor goes blank and I cannot get it working again,
> > even when logged into a GUI.
> > 
> > Both monitors work properly with Knoppix 6.4.4.  I tried using the
> > Knoppix xorg.conf, but that did not work.  Here are some differences
> > between Squeeze and Knoppix:
> > 
> > Squeeze Knoppix
> > kernel: 2.6.32-52.6.37
> > xserver-xorg-video-radeon:  1:6.13.1-2  1:6.13.2-1
> > libdrm-radeon1: 2.4.23-0.0  2.4.23-1
> > radeontool: none1.6.1-1
> > 
> > I don't know if the above differences are important or not.  
> > 
> > Any ideas why one monitor always goes blank in Squeeze?
> > 
> I just tried booting with a Debian Live CD (Squeeze) and got the same
> behavior.  So at least I'm pretty sure that it's not something specific
> to my own configuration / modifications.
> 
I tried installing xserver-xorg-video-radeon from backports, but that
did not help the situation.  Then I installed kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
from backports and now I have dual monitors working properly.  They work
with gnome-display-properties and by using xrandr at the command line.

I have not tried "downgrading" the radeon driver back to the version in
stable, so I'm not sure if it was the kernel itself that fixed my
problem or if it was the combination of kernel and radeon driver.

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Re: Mythtv problem with versions

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 02:53:17AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 02:12:57AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 07:08:53PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > > Here is the thread where I asked about maintaining compatibility.  I
> > > guess Christian Marillat either made a mistake or changed his mind.
> 
> This explains the problem a bit better:
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-maintainers/2012-April/thread.html#25867
> 
Ah, well that explains the recent name change from debian-multimedia.org to
deb-multimedia.org

-Rob


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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

[keith]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:43:45 +0500
Muhammad Yousuf Khan  wrote:

> if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything.
> should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean
> to say (who support code name "squeeze" ) that if i "apt-get
> upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade" will not crash my system if using
> squeeze. because what i am worried about  here is system crash.

I can see you are getting confused; best practice suggests using the stable 
dist by name.(Currently Squeeze)

When you want to upgrade to the next stable version, replace squeeze with 
wheezy, in your /etc/apt/sources.list.

~~

My sources.list on a clean installation of Debian Squeeze 6.0.5, with the 
addition of non-free

deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

[keith]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 17:06:04 +0500
Muhammad Yousuf Khan  wrote:
> i was reading this article and it is very helpful and something new
> that i learned but i am a bit confuse. how come i be safe in this
> technique because what this article is saying means if i wanted to
> install a specific package this would be helpful and if the package is
> not in the "stable" then apt will check in testing and finally in sid.
> but what if i run "apt-get upgrade" then my question is, would it be
> safe and will not upgrade my OS to sid or testing.

When I upgraded squeeze to wheezy, i did ->

apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade

My understanding is ->

If you apt-get upgrade, you are updating your system (squeeze)

When you use apt-get dist-upgrade you change your system from squeeze to wheezy

If you install a package from wheezy/sid  it won't be upgraded until the 
version number is reached in the stable (i.e. squeeze) version.

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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

[Joe]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:43:45 +0500
Muhammad Yousuf Khan  wrote:

> 
> if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything.
> should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean
> to say (who support code name "squeeze" ) that if i "apt-get
> upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade" will not crash my system if using
> squeeze. because what i am worried about  here is system crash.
> 

Usually when a version of Stable is upgraded to the next, there will be
some things to do manually. If you have any software installed by other
means than the apt system, or from other repositories than the
official Debian ones, then that will need to be upgraded by hand, or
maybe even removed if that software is now available in the new version.
There may be some applications whose configuration files have changed
significantly, and cannot be automatically upgraded. There may be some
applications on hold, where you did not want them kept up to date even
at the risk of security bugs. Such holds must be released before
upgrading. So you don't want a version upgrade to happen without
preparation, and certainly not automatically on the day of the new
release.

It's a bit like automatic updates in Windows: you wouldn't enable that
on a server, you would want to check first and approve updates (and
possibly wait a week to see who else has problems..). If you are
installing a service pack, this is especially true, and a Debian
version upgrade is broadly similar to an MS service pack.

So if you use the codename of the distribution, the version upgrade
will not happen automatically, and this is generally what you want.
After the new version is released, you can take up to a year to prepare
for the upgrade, and carry it out at a time of your own choosing.

If you use the Stable distribution, with no apt sources other than the
official Debian ones, and use the codename in your sources list, you
should never expect to see any system disturbance. When you make the
upgrade to the next version, you shouldn't expect to see any problems
which have not been mentioned in the release notes for the upgrade.

As to which upgrade to use routinely, it's not too important in Stable.
Nothing should be removed under normal conditions, so aptitude
safe-upgrade or apt-get upgrade should have the same effect as aptitude
full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade. The apt-get and aptitude actions
are not absolutely identical, but very similar for routine upgrades, the
differences are in how dependencies are handled. Routine upgrades of
the Stable distribution do not normally involve any dependency changes.
The release notes for a version upgrade will normally advise which of
the two systems is preferred for the upgrade (e.g. apt-get for squeeze,
aptitude for lenny).

If you choose to run sid, the Unstable distribution, on a workstation,
you will learn Debian a little bit quicker, but you should expect
problems. You will need to look at upgrades before carrying them out,
as routine upgrades applied without thinking can damage sid, and this
happens once or twice a year. Much more often than that, sid will
ask if you want half of your desktop environment removed, and it's
usually safer to say no. There are typically 20-50 packages upgraded per
day in an 'average' sid system, and at any time there are two or three
needing upgrades but with problems preventing it happening.

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wheezy: ext4 or ext3

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi list,

I am now a proud user of a ssd drive. As I cloned my system (which was 
installed 5 years ago) to the drive, the filesystem on the source drive is 
ext3.

On my new drive I chose ext4 (with luks encryption) for as far as I read, most 
people are using ext4 instead of ext3 on ssd drives.
Is this really recommended? 

And if yes, should I change the filesystem from ext3 to ext4 on my old spin 
drive? I think, this can be done with tune2fs (when I remember correctly), 
without any loss of data. If I am wrong, please point me to the correct tool.

Most important thing for me is speed and security, and, of course, lifetime of 
the ssd is also important. I added noatime and discard to /etc/fstab, hope 
this is correct.

Just a last question: During installation, I forgot, how I formatted the "/" 
partition (ext3 or ext4?). Is there a way, to find out, how it is formatted? 
Strangely, the option "discard" in /etc/fstab seem not to work on this 
particular partition.

Thanks for any help!

Best regards

Hans
 



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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 13:01:16 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Sat 26 May 2012 at 09:58:31 +, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 18:51:16 +0100, Brian wrote:
>> > Not quite. The PPD file/driver combination has to produce a file
>> > which, when sent to the printer, is understandable by the printer.
>> > The Gutenprint driver. for example, will always send PCL to an HP2200
>> > because, even though the printer can understand PostScript, the
>> > driver is designed to output only in the native language of the
>> > printer.
>> 
>> But that only happens when the printer does not natively support PS
>> which does not seem to be the case; according to the printer specs¹ it
>> features HP PCL 6, HP PCL 5e and HP Postscript Level 2 emulation.
> 
> No, it happens because there is a line like this
> 
>*cupsFilter:"application/vnd.cups-raster 100
>rastertogutenprint.5.0"
> 
> in the PPD file.

There's no "cupsFilter:" line in any of PPD files so maybe the printer is 
not a true PostScript printer or uses a slightly different implementation 
developed by HP.

>> > CUPS in Debian turns any input file into PDF, apart from a PDF file,
>> > of course. A PostScript file is filtered first by pstopdf, then by
>> > pdftopdf. A PDF file would only be filtered by pdftopdf. If the PPD
>> > file tells CUPS the printer wants PostScript it uses pdftops.
>> > Otherwise, there are other filters for converting the PDF coming from
>> > pdftopdf into the printer specific language.
>> 
>> The problem still remains: the PDF file is not able to be printed
>> properly, it can be either because of a corrupted file (badly-crafted),
>> a problem with the driver (that is not able to interpret the code of
>> the file) an error in CUPS, a problem within the application used to
>> display the file... to solve the problem we have to start discarding
>> all these things.
> 
> The OP has a PCL error on one machine. It is legitimate to use a PPD
> file producing PostScript to see if it resolves the problem. Converting
> the input file to PostScript before sending it to CUPS is something
> entirely different and of doubtful merit.

Converting the file to PS with a success result when printing could be of 
interest for people in the know, that is, developers. It also can be a 
workaround to get the job done until a proper solution applies. I don't 
care about "merits" (dude, this is not a race!) but getting a problem 
resolved with a solution that can fit the user needings.

>> > I wasn't concerned with speed as such but with your giving this as a
>> > reason for saying '. . . no conversion is needed between the doc and
>> > the printer' for a PS file.
>> 
>> When you are using a PPD which defines the capabilities of the printer
>> and how it has to behave and both (printer harwdare and printer driver)
>> "speak" a standard language (like PostScript) you're reducing the
>> chances for an error than when using any other emulated language such
>> as PCL, simply because PS is not device-dependant, but PCL is, meaning
>> -for the latter- that you completely rely on the printer's capablities
>> and how your device interprets the job you are sending to it.
> 
> The standard language used for printing in Debian has been PDF for over
> three years. There is no inherent benefit in inputting a PostScript file
> to CUPS.

I assure there is. 

Again, I'm tired of seeing these kind problems with PDF, TIFF and PS 
files (here at the office we do fax a lot and it's very common to see a 
user with problems when printing hylafax produced files). We also have a 
set of different printers (HP Laserjet, Ricoh and Oki) so we're very 
accustomed to these problems, even from windows machines...

> You are also confusing the input file with the file sent by a CUPS
> backend to the printer. In the latter case, you reply completely on the
> capabilities of the printer's interpreters whether the file contains
> PostScript, PCL or any other language.

If the printer does support PostScript and uses a PS driver, the above is 
completely irrelevant.

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Re: wheezy: ext4 or ext3

[Claudius Hubig]

Hello Hans-J.,

"Hans-J. Ullrich"  wrote:
> On my new drive I chose ext4 (with luks encryption) for as far as I read, 
> most 
> people are using ext4 instead of ext3 on ssd drives.
> Is this really recommended? 

ext4 provides shorter recovery/file system check times, which I
really like. Apart from that, I don’t think there are many
differences between the two visible to the normal user.

> And if yes, should I change the filesystem from ext3 to ext4 on my old spin 
> drive? I think, this can be done with tune2fs (when I remember correctly), 
> without any loss of data. If I am wrong, please point me to the correct tool.

I think so, too, but have never tried that.
 
> Most important thing for me is speed and security, and, of course, lifetime 
> of 
> the ssd is also important. I added noatime and discard to /etc/fstab, hope 
> this is correct.

If you have a reasonably modern SSD, lifetime normally should not be
a problem. Of course, noatime helps nevertheless (if only by speeding
up things and giving you fewer reasons to throw the laptop around
impatiently :)).
 
> Just a last question: During installation, I forgot, how I formatted the "/" 
> partition (ext3 or ext4?). Is there a way, to find out, how it is formatted? 
> Strangely, the option "discard" in /etc/fstab seem not to work on this 
> particular partition.

The output of ‘mount’ should contain the file system, for example:

/dev/sda1 on /boot type ext3 
(rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=5,barrier=1,data=writeback)
/dev/mapper/ares0-root on / type ext4 
(rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered)
 

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Re: OT Seach for Elaborate Address Book Program

[Thomas H. George]

Thanks for all the suggestions.  I wrote several large programs in
Pascal ten years ago but nothing since then.  I'll take a quick look to
see if it all comes back to me, otherwise I'll check out the other
suggestions.  The appeal of programming is the ability to add features
as they occur to me in the future.

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Re: MySQL upgrade from 5.1 to 5.5

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:06:01 -0400, Brad Alexander wrote:

> I did an upgrade on my mediawiki box the other day to fix some security
> issues. Well, in the mix, mysql-common was upgraded from
> mysql-common_5.1.62-1 to mysql-common 5.5.23+dfsg-1. Nothing happened
> until last night when we took a power hit due to a storm, and when it
> rebooted, I got
> 
> May 25 09:49:06 sisko mysqld[31214]: 120525  9:49:06 [ERROR] 
> /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown variable 'lc-messages-dir=/usr/share/mysql'

(...)

Have you tried what the message suggests? That is, comment the "lc-
messages-dir" setting in "/etc/mysql/my.cnf".

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whezzy + hostapd + ath9k = random fail

[Gary Trotcko]

Hi all. I got a problem with my soft AP.

I got an old PC running as router which has 3 NIC and 1 wifi PCI card
TP-Link TL-WN751ND. This box runs Debian Wheezy, hostapd, dhcpd etc.
The problem is that AP randomly gets unreachable for the clients while
hostapd is running and its interface is up. In fact, this router had
been working in 6 day w/o any problems since I set it up until the
yesterday.

What interfaces I have exactly:

eth0 is down (3Com)
eth1 gets IP from ISP DHCP (Realtek)
eth2 takes IP for my LAN over DHCPD
ppp0 - it's an ISP VPN over PPTP

Configuration:
---
$ cat /etc/debian_version
wheezy/sid

$ uname -r
3.2.0-2-686-pae

dpkg -l | grep linux-image
ii  linux-image-2.6-686  3.2+44
Linux for modern PCs (dummy package)
ii  linux-image-3.2.0-2-686-pae  3.2.17-1
Linux 3.2 for modern PCs
ii  linux-image-686-pae  3.2+44
Linux for modern PCs (meta-package)

$ hostapd -v
hostapd v1.0
User space daemon for IEEE 802.11 AP management,
IEEE 802.1X/WPA/WPA2/EAP/RADIUS Authenticator
Copyright (c) 2002-2010, Jouni Malinen  and contributors

$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (GMCH) Graphics
Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133
(CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801AA PCI Bridge (rev 02)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801AA ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801AA IDE Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801AA USB Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801AA SMBus Controller (rev 02)
01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 06)
01:08.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9227
Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
01:09.0 Ethernet controller: Sundance Technology Inc / IC Plus Corp IC
Plus IP100A Integrated 10/100 Ethernet MAC + PHY (rev 31)
01:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
01:0b.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]

eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:60:97:d8:dd:ea
  inet addr:192.168.120.184  Bcast:192.168.120.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::260:97ff:fed8:ddea/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:431713 errors:74 dropped:682 overruns:59 frame:0
  TX packets:171981 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:283031893 (269.9 MiB)  TX bytes:21389936 (20.3 MiB)
  Interrupt:10 Base address:0xd800

eth2  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 14:da:e9:a7:21:33
  inet addr:192.168.1.1  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::16da:e9ff:fea7:2133/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:276872 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:338010 errors:1 dropped:30 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:23357782 (22.2 MiB)  TX bytes:278728804 (265.8 MiB)
  Interrupt:11 Base address:0xdc00

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:436 (436.0 B)  TX bytes:436 (436.0 B)

mon.wlan0 Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr
B0-48-7A-E3-AE-0F-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

ppp0  Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
  inet addr:80.242.96.16  P-t-P:195.66.139.23  Mask:255.255.255.255
  UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1400  Metric:1
  RX packets:225471 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:142471 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:3
  RX bytes:252918981 (241.2 MiB)  TX bytes:11957326 (11.4 MiB)

wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr b0:48:7a:e3:ae:0f
  inet addr:192.168.2.1  Bcast:192.168.2.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::b248:7aff:fee3:ae0f/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:252 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:420 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:31491 (30.7 KiB)  TX bytes:240068 (234.4 KiB)


$ iwconfig
wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn  Mode:Maste

Re: how to update Debian OS properly

[Lisi]

On Saturday 26 May 2012 12:43:45 you wrote:
> > I prefer to use aptitude full-upgrade routinely - but I have the code
> > name in my sources.list, not stable or testing.  I then change the code
> > name when I want to get the more recent version.  So, Squeeze not stable,
> > Muhammad.  you could get in quite a mess at the changeover point from
> > Squeeze to Wheezy if you have stable in your sources.list, as several
> > people have pointed out.
>
> if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything.
> should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean
> to say (who support code name "squeeze" ) that if i "apt-get
> upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade" will not crash my system if using
> squeeze. because what i am worried about  here is system crash.

I'm afraid that I don't understand you. Why should you have a system crash?  
And what are you trying to achieve?

Always use code names, and incidentally Sid is the code-name for unstable, a 
code-name which never changes.

So choose which you want.  From the sound of things you want Squeeze.  Install 
Squeeze.  Check that Squeeze is in your sources.list, and only Squeeze at 
this stage.  No mention of stable or anything else.  Update Squeeze.  
(aptitude update followed by aptitude full-upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade.) 
From then on you will only basically get security updates, though there are 
periodic point releases for Squeeze to iron out some remaining bugs etc.

For now, and while you bed down with Debian/Linux, simply ignore all mentions 
of Wheezy, stable, Sid, unstable, testing etc.  Time enough to come to terms 
with those when you understand fully what is going on or when Wheezy has 
become Stable and Squeeze is Old Stable.

apt is now preferred to aptitude by many on this list, but I am more familiar 
with aptitude, and might have got the commands slightly wrong had I attempted 
to give you them.  (I did last time that I did so.)  But for what you are 
doing now, either is fine, and when it comes to upgrading to a new release, 
the release notes will tell you which to use.

But above all, keep things simple for now.  And when you ask a question, try 
to express it without reference to Windows.  Many of us do not use Windows, 
and in my case I have not done so since Windows 98, which I don't remember 
very well.

HTH
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Re: Playing Video - More questions -- Please --- some answers -- I'm stuck

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 25 May 2012 01:06:39 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote:

(...)

> Let us assume that the file is foo.avi
> 
> 1] What is the command line, using mencoder, for converting foo.avi to
> foo.mov.

http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=mencoder+from+avi+to+mov

The key here is the support for Apple Quicktime format (.mov). May I ask 
why are you interested in that media container?

> 2]  What is the command line, using mplayer, for playing foo.mov.

http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=mplayer+play+mov+files

> 3] What is the HTML5  code, using with the  tag, for playing
> foo.mov.

http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_video.asp

http://developer.apple.com/library/safari/#documentation/AudioVideo/Conceptual/Using_HTML5_Audio_Video/AudioandVideoTagBasics/AudioandVideoTagBasics.html

But pelase, make us (us → Internet users) a favor and consider using 
whatever open source video container you prefer instead that mov 
thingy ;-)

> 4] Using the answer to #2, can we force foo.mov to be played with
> mplayer.

Kindly expand that... file association (mime types) are defined within 
your DE or VM and thus is a user dependant setting.

>a]I do not seem to be able to fine a mplayer plug-in. 

A plugin for your browser? What browser?

>   b]I understand that Quicktime will play foo.mov.  How do I
> force that to happen?  I have the plug-in, but seems that I cannot find
> in the preferences an option to force the Quicktime plugin.

Quicktime should dissapear in the same way flashplayer should. That said, 
it's ages since I have not opened a mov file (neither locally nor embedded 
inside html code) though my "about:plugins" page says it could be possible:

***
QuickTime Plug-in 7.2.0

Archivo: libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so
Versión: 
The Totem 2.22.2 plugin handles video and audio streams.

Tipo MIME   Descripción Sufijos
video/quicktime vídeo QuickTime mov
video/mp4   vídeo MPEG-4mp4
image/x-macpaintimagen en mapa de bits de MacPaint  pntg
image/x-quicktime   imagen QuickTimepict, pict1, 
pict2
video/x-m4v vídeo MPEG-4m4v
***

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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

[Brian]

On Sat 26 May 2012 at 13:30:27 +, Camaleón wrote:

> On Sat, 26 May 2012 13:01:16 +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> There's no "cupsFilter:" line in any of PPD files so maybe the printer is 
> not a true PostScript printer or uses a slightly different implementation 
> developed by HP.

That is not relevant to the point I made but, to satisfy your curiosity:
if there no *cupsFilter line in a PPD file then CUPS assumes the printer
requires a backend to send it PostScript. Nothing to do with a 'true
PostScript printer', whatever that might be. Either the printer has a
PostScript interpreter or it doesn't. Many manufacturers implement their
own anyway.

[Snip]

> > The standard language used for printing in Debian has been PDF for over
> > three years. There is no inherent benefit in inputting a PostScript file
> > to CUPS.
> 
> I assure there is.

But at least you have discarded "PostScript is a raw language, no
conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . . . ." as a
reason and accept the filter chain is

   PDF file ---> PS file ---> CUPS ---> PDF file

Is it a comfort getting back to where you started?

[Snip]

> > You are also confusing the input file with the file sent by a CUPS
> > backend to the printer. In the latter case, you reply completely on the
> > capabilities of the printer's interpreters whether the file contains
> > PostScript, PCL or any other language.
> 
> If the printer does support PostScript and uses a PS driver, the above is 
> completely irrelevant.

I have a feeling you may have returned to "PostScript is a raw language,
no conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . . . ." idea.
Hope I'm wrong.


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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:26:34 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Sat 26 May 2012 at 13:30:27 +, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 13:01:16 +0100, Brian wrote:
>> 
>> There's no "cupsFilter:" line in any of PPD files so maybe the printer
>> is not a true PostScript printer or uses a slightly different
>> implementation developed by HP.
> 
> That is not relevant to the point I made but, to satisfy your curiosity:
> if there no *cupsFilter line in a PPD file then CUPS assumes the printer
> requires a backend to send it PostScript. Nothing to do with a 'true
> PostScript printer', whatever that might be. Either the printer has a
> PostScript interpreter or it doesn't. Many manufacturers implement their
> own anyway.

It's not that simple. There are some printes (mostly the low-end models) 
that can "simulate" a PostScript level in a way that only the 
manufacturer knows, not standarized, thus you still depend on the quality 
of the manufacturer's driver.

>> > The standard language used for printing in Debian has been PDF for
>> > over three years. There is no inherent benefit in inputting a
>> > PostScript file to CUPS.
>> 
>> I assure there is.
> 
> But at least you have discarded "PostScript is a raw language, no
> conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . . . ." as a
> reason and accept the filter chain is
> 
>PDF file ---> PS file ---> CUPS ---> PDF file
> 
> Is it a comfort getting back to where you started?

"No conversion is needed" because the printer understands the PostScript 
language, it's not device dependant. I don't know how to express it 
better but is not that hard to understand.

>> > You are also confusing the input file with the file sent by a CUPS
>> > backend to the printer. In the latter case, you reply completely on
>> > the capabilities of the printer's interpreters whether the file
>> > contains PostScript, PCL or any other language.
>> 
>> If the printer does support PostScript and uses a PS driver, the above
>> is completely irrelevant.
> 
> I have a feeling you may have returned to "PostScript is a raw language,
> no conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . . . ." idea.
> Hope I'm wrong.

No, you're not, but this is not going to help the OP to solve his problem.

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Re: Re Installing Squeeze with Firmware

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:33:55 +0100, antispammbox-deb...@yahoo.it wrote:

> Hi all

Please, keep the messages that share a same subject/topic in the same 
thread, it will help other users to follow your posts. Also, avoid using 
html :-)
 
> I today try install Squeeze on laptop Hp Compaq nc600, with stick write
> with cat fileiso.iso > /dev/sdb

(you missed the "sync" command)

Okay, and what's the result?
 
> Regards
>  
>  
> Experimental2: syslog-unetbooting.txt > ask me choice from two netcard.
> I try another with stick created with unetbooting, only
> (initrd.gz-vmlinuz) StableNetinstall
> After 10 minutes, appears on screen request choice from! eth0:Broadcom
> Nextreme
> and Wlan: Atheros bla bla bla

(...)

And the error now is...? Or what's what you're trying to tell us?

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Problems with flashplayer on a new installation of Squeeze.

[Lisi]

Is there a solution to the following problem?  (See below) I see that the bug 
was reported two years ago, so I am tempted to go for purge, but that may 
leave some detritus. :-(

And if I were to purge flashplugin-nonfree, what could I install that would 
actually work to play flash?

Would I do better to scrap, what is a very new installation of Squeeze - this 
was part of the installation process - and reinstall?

Thanks,
Lisi

root@Squeeze:/home/john# aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  flashplugin-nonfree
0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded.
Need to get 17.9 kB of archives. After unpacking 135 kB will be used.
Get:1 http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ squeeze/contrib
flashplugin-nonfree amd64 1:2.8.2 [17.9 kB]
Fetched 17.9 kB in 0s (50.4 kB/s)
Selecting previously deselected package flashplugin-nonfree.
(Reading database ... 136074 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking flashplugin-nonfree (from
.../flashplugin-nonfree_1%3a2.8.2_amd64.deb) ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (1:2.8.2) ...
ERROR: wget failed to download
http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc


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Re: Install Squeeze with firmware

[Antispammbox-debian]

Experimental2: syslog-unetbooting.txt > ask me choice from two netcard.
I try another with stick created with unetbooting, only (initrd.gz-vmlinuz)
StableNetinstall
After 10 minutes, appears on screen request choice from! eth0:Broadcom
Nextreme
and Wlan: Atheros bla bla bla


The log is this:

Log for Experimental2: syslog-unetbooting.txt

/*

May 25 07:28:22 syslogd started: BusyBox v1.17.1

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: klogd started: BusyBox v1.17.1 (Debian 1:1.17.1-8)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Linux version 2.6.32-5-486 (Debian
2.6.32-45) (da...@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 Sun
May 6 03:29:22 UTC 2012

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] KERNEL supported cpus:

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Intel GenuineIntel

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] AMD AuthenticAMD

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] NSC Geode by NSC

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Cyrix CyrixInstead

May 25
07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Centaur CentaurHauls

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Transmeta GenuineTMx86

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Transmeta TransmetaCPU

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] UMC UMC UMC UMC

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-provided physical RAM map:

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-e820:  -
0009fc00 (usable)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 -
000a (reserved)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-e820: 000e -
0010 (reserved)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-e820: 0010 -
3ffd (usable)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-e820: 3ffd -
3fff0c00 (reserved)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel:
[ 0.00] BIOS-e820: 3fff0c00 -
3fffc000 (ACPI NVS)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-e820: 3fffc000 -
4000 (reserved)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] DMI 2.3 present.

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] last_pfn = 0x3ffd0 max_arch_pfn =
0x10

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] MTRR default type: uncachable

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] MTRR fixed ranges enabled:

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 0-9 write-back

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] A-B uncachable

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] C-C write-protect

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] D-E uncachable

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] F-F write-protect

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] MTRR variable ranges
enabled:

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 0 base 0 mask FC000
write-back

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 1 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 2 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 3 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 4 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 5 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 6 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 7 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] PAT not supported by CPU.

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] initial memory mapped : 0 - 0180

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] init_memory_mapping:
-377fe000

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 00 - 40 page 4k

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 40 -
003740 page 2M

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 003740 - 00377fe000 page 4k

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] kernel direct mapping tables up to
377fe000 @ 7000-c000

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] RAMDISK: 2fb2d000 - 3001b121

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] ACPI: RSDP 000f6f80 00014 (v00 COMPAQ)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] ACPI: RSDT 3fff0c84 0002C (v01 HP HP0890
23070420 CPQ 0001)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] ACPI: FACP 3fff0c00 00084 (v02 HP HP0890
0002 CPQ 0001)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] ACPI: DSDT 3fff0cb0 062D9 (v01 HP nc6000
0001 MSFT 010E)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] ACPI: FACS 3fffbe80 00040

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] ACPI: SSDT 3fff6f89 0028A (v01 COMPAQ
CPQGysr 1001 MSFT 010E)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 135MB HIGHMEM available.

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 887MB LOWMEM available.

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] mapped low ram: 0 - 377fe000

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] low ram: 0 - 377fe000

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] node 0 low ram:  - 377fe000

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] node 0 bootmap 8000 - ef00

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] (7 early reservations) ==> bootmem
[00 - 00377fe000]

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] #0 [00 - 001000] BIOS data
page ==> [00 - 001000]

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] #1 [000100 - 0001453a90] TEXT DATA
BSS ==> [000100 - 0001453a90]

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] #2 [002fb2d000 - 003001b12

Re: Install Squeeze with firmware

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:13:36 +0200, Antispammbox-debian wrote:

> Experimental2: syslog-unetbooting.txt > ask me choice from two netcard.
> I try another with stick created with unetbooting, only
> (initrd.gz-vmlinuz) StableNetinstall
> After 10 minutes, appears on screen request choice from! eth0:Broadcom
> Nextreme
> and Wlan: Atheros bla bla bla

(...)

No need to repeat the same again: I asked for the error you get explained 
in plain words. "Continue continue" and "bla, bla" tells not much about 
what you're doing and what's the problem _now_.

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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

[Brian]

On Sat 26 May 2012 at 15:53:03 +, Camaleón wrote:

> On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:26:34 +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> > But at least you have discarded "PostScript is a raw language, no
> > conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . . . ." as a
> > reason and accept the filter chain is
> > 
> >PDF file ---> PS file ---> CUPS ---> PDF file
> > 
> > Is it a comfort getting back to where you started?
> 
> "No conversion is needed" because the printer understands the PostScript 
> language, it's not device dependant. I don't know how to express it 
> better but is not that hard to understand.
> 
> > I have a feeling you may have returned to "PostScript is a raw language,
> > no conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . . . ." idea.
> > Hope I'm wrong.
> 
> No, you're not, . . .

Taking this statement, and the previous one, it is evident you are
basing an argument on the behaviour of a filtering method in CUPS which
has not existed in Debian (and Redhat and Suse) for at least three
years. We have different understandings, which make it impossible to
compare two different conclusions in a meaningful way. Basically, a
conclusion derived from a view of reality which is wrong is without any
validity.

. . .  but this is not going to help the OP to solve his problem.

He can make his own mind up on that. I'd like think there is enough in
this thread to get him started.


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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 26 mai 12, 13:39:26, keith wrote:
> 
> My understanding is ->
> 
> If you apt-get upgrade, you are updating your system (squeeze)
> 
> When you use apt-get dist-upgrade you change your system from squeeze to 
> wheezy

No, see 'man apt-get' for the difference between the two.

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Re: Install Squeeze with firmware

[Brian]

On Sat 26 May 2012 at 16:35:07 +, Camaleón wrote:

> On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:13:36 +0200, Antispammbox-debian wrote:
> 
> > Experimental2: syslog-unetbooting.txt > ask me choice from two netcard.
> > I try another with stick created with unetbooting, only
> > (initrd.gz-vmlinuz) StableNetinstall
> > After 10 minutes, appears on screen request choice from! eth0:Broadcom
> > Nextreme
> > and Wlan: Atheros bla bla bla
> 
> (...)
> 
> No need to repeat the same again: I asked for the error you get explained 
> in plain words. "Continue continue" and "bla, bla" tells not much about 
> what you're doing and what's the problem _now_.

Antispammbox-debian must have succeeded in installing the required
firmware as he is offered eth0 as a choice at the configuring the
network stage. He needs to choose eth0 - not wlan0.


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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 25 mai 12, 15:36:40, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 18:28 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> > In conclusion i found out that i should stick to stable and should not
> > play with the source list until unless it is necessary. even if i add
> > a repo then  i must comment it after installing the "whatever package"
> 
> Yesno. I'll say yes, somebody else might recommend
> http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html

That article, while still useful,

- mentions non-US which has been discontinued long time ago (sarge?)
- uses sources + pinning by release not code-name[1]

[1] this may be due to a bug in apt where pinning by codename was not 
possible, fixed in the meantime (lenny?).

I seem to remember the Debian Reference has a good guide to pinning and 
it is up-to-date (thanks to Osamu Aoki).

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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

[Lisi]

On Saturday 26 May 2012 18:04:35 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> I seem to remember the Debian Reference has a good guide to pinning and
> it is up-to-date (thanks to Osamu Aoki).

Given the OP's confusion, and the fact that he states his main aim as not 
crashing, would he not do better to stick to pure Squeeze for now?  

Hopefully, more use of Linux will enable him to stop trying to mimic Windows - 
a job which Windows itself does rather well ;-)

Lisi


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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 17:48:41 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Sat 26 May 2012 at 15:53:03 +, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:26:34 +0100, Brian wrote:

>> > I have a feeling you may have returned to "PostScript is a raw
>> > language, no conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . .
>> > . ." idea. Hope I'm wrong.
>> 
>> No, you're not, . . .
> 
> Taking this statement, and the previous one, it is evident you are
> basing an argument on the behaviour of a filtering method in CUPS which
> has not existed in Debian (and Redhat and Suse) for at least three
> years. We have different understandings, which make it impossible to
> compare two different conclusions in a meaningful way. Basically, a
> conclusion derived from a view of reality which is wrong is without any
> validity.

This is not a Debian specific behavior nor related to how CUPS works in 
different distributions. It's about the difference between a PostScript 
driver/printer and PCL (or another printer languages), and the 
differences are *huge*.

> . . .  but this is not going to help the OP to solve his problem.
> 
> He can make his own mind up on that. I'd like think there is enough in
> this thread to get him started.

Let's hope so.

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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

[Ralf Mardorf]

FWIW, sometime ago this book was announced here:
http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/


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Re: wheezy: ext4 or ext3

[Steven Post]

On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 15:36 +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote:
> Hello Hans-J.,
> 
> "Hans-J. Ullrich"  wrote:
> > On my new drive I chose ext4 (with luks encryption) for as far as I read, 
> > most 
> > people are using ext4 instead of ext3 on ssd drives.
> > Is this really recommended? 
> 
> ext4 provides shorter recovery/file system check times, which I
> really like. Apart from that, I don’t think there are many
> differences between the two visible to the normal user.

If you deal a lot with file transfers you may find that ext4 is faster.

> 
> > And if yes, should I change the filesystem from ext3 to ext4 on my old spin 
> > drive? I think, this can be done with tune2fs (when I remember correctly), 
> > without any loss of data. If I am wrong, please point me to the correct 
> > tool.
> 
> I think so, too, but have never tried that.

I have, and I can comfirm that this really works, you can use the ext4
driver to mount ext3 as well, just to benefit from the improved code,
and you can always revert back to plain ext3 when doing this.
You can also use the new ext4 features, but then you will not be able to
mount it as ext3 again, only ext4.

>  
> > Most important thing for me is speed and security, and, of course, lifetime 
> > of 
> > the ssd is also important. I added noatime and discard to /etc/fstab, hope 
> > this is correct.
> 
> If you have a reasonably modern SSD, lifetime normally should not be
> a problem. Of course, noatime helps nevertheless (if only by speeding
> up things and giving you fewer reasons to throw the laptop around
> impatiently :)).
>  

Ext4 will give you some speed gain when booting, perhaps not that much,
but certainly there is some improvement.

Should you choose to convert to ext4, there are plenty how-to's on the
internet such as this one:
https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4

Kind regards,
Steven


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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

[keith]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 19:57:19 +0300
Andrei POPESCU  wrote:

> On Sb, 26 mai 12, 13:39:26, keith wrote:
> > 
> > My understanding is ->
> > 
> > If you apt-get upgrade, you are updating your system (squeeze)
> > 
> > When you use apt-get dist-upgrade you change your system from squeeze to 
> > wheezy
> 
> No, see 'man apt-get' for the difference between the two.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
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I was wrong about dist-upgrade, as has been pointed out above.

(Sorry for the bum steer; but when I 'changed' from squeeze to wheezy I did use 
it.)

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[Solved (kind of)] Re: Installing Wheezy on btrfs only (multi-device)

[Steven Post]

On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 03:11 +0200, Steven Post wrote:

It's been a while since I replied to this thread, and since I solved it
(well.. kind of...) I thought I'd mention how I got this working in the
end and also what happens when a drive fails.
I don't have a blog, so I'll give it all here, it'll be a pretty long
read. Perhaps only interesting to some.

> Another attempt, mixed success.
> I created the btrfs filesystem using the ubuntu live cd (2 subvolumes, 1
> for the root fs, 1 for /home, and set rootfs as the default subvolume),
> then started the Debian installation again from the daily netinstall
> iso.
[...]
> 
> The installer only fails to install the grub bootloader, I think because
> it cannot detect the multi-device btrfs file system.
> I then opted for skipping installing a bootloader, figuring I could do
> it afterwards in rescue mode. Installer finishes up without any further
> problems.


As far as I know GRUB supports only single device btrfs file systems,
not multi-device. Having a single device btrfs for /boot would defeat
the idea of raid for /boot so I opted for something else.

All 6 drives have a 3 partitions, a very small one for BIOS boot, a
larger one (1GB) so /boot will fit (with a lot of space left), and the
rest is a single partition of about 2.7 TB. The last 2 partitions are
Linux partitions, the default gdisk suggests.

Next I use an Ununtu 12.04 install disk to setup my raid 10 btrfs volume
using the third (large) partition from each drive.
I create a couple of subvolumes for different purposes (one for the root
file system (/), one for /home etc..
Next I mark the subvolume for the root fs as the default subvolume (when
working with subvolumes this is needed because of the limitations in the
Debian installer).

Once btrfs is set up I restart the machine with the Wheezy netinstaller.
I choose a standard install and proceeded through the installer until I
got to the partitioner. When I'm in the partitioner, I use ctrl+alt+F2
to switch to a console. After pressing enter I'm greeted with a root
prompt, from here I issued a btrfs device scan using "btrfsctl -a" as
the installer doesn't have the btrfs command. I can then switch back to
the partitioner using ctrl+alt+F1 and mark the 3rd partition from one of
the 6 drives as my root filesystem (/) using btrfs as the filesystem,
making sure to have the option "keep existing data" enabled.

Still in the partitioner I choose to setup raid, I choose a md raid1
setup using 3 devices and 3 spares, these are the second partitions from
each drive. This array I mark for use with ext4, although I think btrfs
on top of this raid array would work, although I haven't tried it. I
proceed to mark this ext4 partition as /boot.

With both / and /boot I can continue with the install, notice I don't
have a swap partition, but in this case I felt I didn't need one,
everyone is free to add that if they want to or I can add it later
should the need arises. Anyway, I just continue the install as with any
system and once it is completed, I tell the installer to install grub on
every device, should a device fail, I can still boot the system.

After installation is complete I still need the installer (rescue mode)
or some live cd to fix /etc/fstab so it doesn't hang trying to do an
fsck on the btrfs root fs. When all this is done I can finally boot the
new system.

Now when a drive fails, as happened earlier today (I don't know why, but
I'll get a replacement this Tuesday), the system will fail to boot
properly after removing that drive, you are dropped in a busybox shell
and options are limited. Don't be alarmed, this is because the root
filesystem refuses to mount with a missing drive. In the mean time my
raid1 for /boot has taken a space device and is syncing it with the
other 2. I let it sync before continuing. When the syncing is done, I
reboot and when I get to the GRUB boot prompt I press 'e' to edit.
I look for the line starting with 'linux /vmlinuz' and add a rootflag
giving me something like this:
linux /vmlinuz-3.2.0-2-AMD64 root=UUID={some long uuid}
rootflags=degraded ro quiet

Adding this 'degraded' rootflag allows you're kernel to mount the root
filesystem again. Once started you can remove the missing drive from the
btrfs array and issue a btrfs filesystem balance / (provided you still
have enough space to mirror everything with that missing drive and at
least 4 drives), leaving you with a raid 10 system with 5 drives.

Later on I can shutdown the system (it's not hot swappable in my case),
add the new hard drive, partition it like before, add one partition to
the /boot raid array as a spare device, and add the large partition to
the btrfs array, balance again and I'm good to go.
If you have a replacement lying around, or not enough free space for the
balance with a drive out, you can omit that step and just add it right
away. But always balance after adding the device.

Should anyone have any comments or improvements, please them know. I'm
no

Motion M1400 tablet upgrade woe

[chris dunn]

I'm trying to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy on a Motion M1400 tablet
and seem to have hit the wall.

Initially I had Squeeze installed, and I tried to upgrade via Synaptic
simply by changing the repositories from Squeeze-Updates to Wheezy,
reloading, then marking upgrades and applying.

This started ok but ran into a problem when I was told that the latest
686 kernel had bits that would not work on my single processor M1400.
I was informed that I needed to uninstall my 686 kernel and install a
486 kernel. Since there seemed to be no way of exiting the upgrade in
progress in order to achieve this, I shut the machine down after
deciding to reinstall from scratch. 

Reinstalled Squeeze from a cd using expert install, and selecting the
486 kernel to be installed. All went well and I now had a working M1400
with Squeeze on it.

Then attempted via Synaptic to again upgrade to Wheezy by changing the
repositories from Squeeze-Updates to Wheezy. All went well and
indications were that 1,646 packages would be installed or upgraded, 36
removed, and one held back.

I reached as far as the "Installing and Removing Software" window and
the completion bar had reached about 60% completion when the entire
system froze up. 

The last two entries seen in the terminal window at the point of
freezing were :

Setting up sudo (1.8.3p2.1)
Installing new version of config file /etc/pam.d/sudo

I've now spent several hours repeating this experience once more with
identical results and am becoming very frustrated.

Is anyone able to suggest the root of the problem or advise where I can
report the failure?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Problems with flashplayer on a new installation of Squeeze.

[hvw59601]

Lisi wrote:
Is there a solution to the following problem?  (See below) I see that the bug 
was reported two years ago, so I am tempted to go for purge, but that may 
leave some detritus. :-(


And if I were to purge flashplugin-nonfree, what could I install that would 
actually work to play flash?


Would I do better to scrap, what is a very new installation of Squeeze - this 
was part of the installation process - and reinstall?






I get the same thing, but flashplugin-nonfree installs. So I then run 
'update-flashplugin-nonfree --install' and it installs the latest version.


Hugo


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Re: Install Squeeze with firmware

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 20:57:41 +0200, Antispammbox-debian wrote:

> Hi all

Hi (again).

> The problem is this:
> 
> Experimental1 with iso file with firmware write on usb:
> syslog-stick-firmware.txt > do not ask me choice for firmware netcard.
> 
> 
> After 20 minutes that starting installing, do not anything.
> 
> Do not ask request firmeware

Use the expert installer an manually load the firmware from the main 
menu. 
 
> The log is this:

> May 25 08:55:39 check-missing-firmware: no missing firmware in 
> /dev/.udev/firmware-missing
> May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.330056] tg3 :02:0e.0: firmware: requesting 
> tigon/tg3_tso5.bin
> May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.332393] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Failed to load 
> firmware "tigon/tg3_tso5.bin"
> May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.332397] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: TSO capability 
> disabled
> May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.469480] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not 
> ready
> May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.904401] tg3 :02:0e.0: PME# enabled 
> May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.904423] pci :00:1e.0: wake-up capability 
> enabled by ACPI
> May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.977236] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not 
> ready
> May 25 08:55:41 check-missing-firmware: missing firmware files 
> (tigon/tg3_tso5.bin) for tg3
> May 25 08:55:49 check-missing-firmware: installing firmware package 
> /cdrom/firmware/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb

(...)

You are stuck at the same point. Can't you just omit the network 
configuration and finish the installation by installing from the
local media source?

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Re: Problems with flashplayer on a new installation of Squeeze.

[Lisi]

On Saturday 26 May 2012 21:02:21 hvw59601 wrote:
> Lisi wrote:
> > Is there a solution to the following problem?  (See below) I see that the
> > bug was reported two years ago, so I am tempted to go for purge, but that
> > may leave some detritus. :-(
> >
> > And if I were to purge flashplugin-nonfree, what could I install that
> > would actually work to play flash?
> >
> > Would I do better to scrap, what is a very new installation of Squeeze -
> > this was part of the installation process - and reinstall?
>
> 
>
> I get the same thing, but flashplugin-nonfree installs. So I then run
> 'update-flashplugin-nonfree --install' and it installs the latest version.

Thanks!!

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changing sound parameter on startup

[Ross Boylan]

Simple version: what's the best way to get the effect of 
echo 1024 > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc
every time I start, preferably before KDE starts?

I've seen indications I should put something in rcS.d/, but also some
things saying stuff there gets executed at every run level change.
Also, I'm not sure where in the sequence it needs to be.

Longer version: The underlying issue is that I've been having problems
with sound under mythtv.  Hardware:
Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition
Audio Controller (rev 01) on a Pentium 4.

When myth starts it was complaining that I had a buffer too small and
that its attempts to reset it with the above command failed.  After
disabling sound on KDE I was able to resize the buffer.  I'm still
having sound problems, though I think not quite as frequently as before.

One solution would be to resolve the permission problem.

There are a lot of things I can think of that might be relevant to
either the permission issue or the buffer size issue: udev, module
parameters (e.g., /etc/modutils.d/), sysctl.conf (but I think that's
only for /proc/sysfs), maybe some other alsa-specific place.

So I'd appreciate any guidance you can offer.

Thanks.
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backing up

[Frank McCormick]

Is there an easy way to back up a couple of profile directories when
you exit a window manager.
I'd like to back up .thunderbird at least when I quit Icewm to GDM...

Thanks


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Re: changing sound parameter on startup

[Volkan YAZICI]

/etc/rc.local?

On Sat, 26 May 2012 13:40:01 -0700, Ross Boylan writes:
> Simple version: what's the best way to get the effect of 
> echo 1024 > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc
> every time I start, preferably before KDE starts?
>
> I've seen indications I should put something in rcS.d/, but also some
> things saying stuff there gets executed at every run level change.
> Also, I'm not sure where in the sequence it needs to be.
>
> Longer version: The underlying issue is that I've been having problems
> with sound under mythtv.  Hardware:
> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition
> Audio Controller (rev 01) on a Pentium 4.
>
> When myth starts it was complaining that I had a buffer too small and
> that its attempts to reset it with the above command failed.  After
> disabling sound on KDE I was able to resize the buffer.  I'm still
> having sound problems, though I think not quite as frequently as before.
>
> One solution would be to resolve the permission problem.
>
> There are a lot of things I can think of that might be relevant to
> either the permission issue or the buffer size issue: udev, module
> parameters (e.g., /etc/modutils.d/), sysctl.conf (but I think that's
> only for /proc/sysfs), maybe some other alsa-specific place.
>
> So I'd appreciate any guidance you can offer.
>
> Thanks.
> Ross Boylan


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Re: changing sound parameter on startup

[Ross Boylan]

On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 23:55 +0300, Volkan YAZICI wrote:
> /etc/rc.local?
The comment says
# This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
which doesn't sound like the right place.  I'm also not sure if that
means it executes when you exit the run level, or it it means it runs as
the last thing before you enter the run level.  The first sense seems to
be the literal meaning of the comment, though I suspect the second is
intended.
> 
> On Sat, 26 May 2012 13:40:01 -0700, Ross Boylan writes:
> > Simple version: what's the best way to get the effect of 
> > echo 1024 > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc
> > every time I start, preferably before KDE starts?
> >
> > I've seen indications I should put something in rcS.d/, but also some
> > things saying stuff there gets executed at every run level change.
> > Also, I'm not sure where in the sequence it needs to be.
> >
> > Longer version: The underlying issue is that I've been having problems
> > with sound under mythtv.  Hardware:
> > Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition
> > Audio Controller (rev 01) on a Pentium 4.
> >
> > When myth starts it was complaining that I had a buffer too small and
> > that its attempts to reset it with the above command failed.  After
> > disabling sound on KDE I was able to resize the buffer.  I'm still
> > having sound problems, though I think not quite as frequently as before.
> >
> > One solution would be to resolve the permission problem.
> >
> > There are a lot of things I can think of that might be relevant to
> > either the permission issue or the buffer size issue: udev, module
> > parameters (e.g., /etc/modutils.d/), sysctl.conf (but I think that's
> > only for /proc/sysfs), maybe some other alsa-specific place.
> >
> > So I'd appreciate any guidance you can offer.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Ross Boylan


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Re: backing up

[Aubrey Raech]

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On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:57:23 -0400
Frank McCormick  wrote:

> Is there an easy way to back up a couple of profile directories when
> you exit a window manager.
> I'd like to back up .thunderbird at least when I quit Icewm to GDM...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 

Since you are using GDM (gdm3?), you may want to take a look
at /etc/gdm3/* and the gdm3 man page. There is a script run at
initialization, after login, before starting the session, and after the
session closes (to return to the display manager's menu). I would take
a look in /etc/gdm3/PostSession/ and add to the script there anything
you want done after logging out.

- -- 
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"There are two types of people in the world: those who
  can extrapolate from incomplete data."
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backing up

[Frank McCormick]

Can anyone suggest an easy way to back up a couple of profile 
directories (such as .thunderbird) when existing a window manager to 
return to GDM ?


Thanks


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backing up

[Frank McCormick]

Can anyone suggest an easy way to back up a couple of profile 
directories (such as .thunderbird) when existing a window manager to 
return to GDM ?


Thanks


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Re: backing up

[Frank McCormick]

On 26/05/12 05:41 PM, Aubrey Raech wrote:

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On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:57:23 -0400
Frank McCormick  wrote:


Is there an easy way to back up a couple of profile directories when
you exit a window manager.
I'd like to back up .thunderbird at least when I quit Icewm to GDM...

Thanks




Since you are using GDM (gdm3?), you may want to take a look
at /etc/gdm3/* and the gdm3 man page. There is a script run at
initialization, after login, before starting the session, and after the
session closes (to return to the display manager's menu). I would take
a look in /etc/gdm3/PostSession/ and add to the script there anything
you want done after logging out.

- --
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  Well  that looked like a way to do it...but when I tried cp -R 
~/.thunderbird  ~/.thunderbird.backup.nothing happened. What am I

missing ??

Thanks



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Re: backing up

[Frank McCormick]

On 26/05/12 06:14 PM, Frank McCormick wrote:

On 26/05/12 05:41 PM, Aubrey Raech wrote:

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On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:57:23 -0400
Frank McCormick wrote:


Is there an easy way to back up a couple of profile directories when
you exit a window manager.
I'd like to back up .thunderbird at least when I quit Icewm to GDM...

Thanks




Since you are using GDM (gdm3?), you may want to take a look
at /etc/gdm3/* and the gdm3 man page. There is a script run at
initialization, after login, before starting the session, and after the
session closes (to return to the display manager's menu). I would take
a look in /etc/gdm3/PostSession/ and add to the script there anything
you want done after logging out.

- --
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Well that looked like a way to do it...but when I tried cp -R
~/.thunderbird ~/.thunderbird.backup.nothing happened. What am I
missing ??



  Nevermind :) Found the backups in /var/lib/gdm3
  Didn't realize that's where GDM would put them.


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Re: Install Squeeze with firmware

[Brian]

On Sat 26 May 2012 at 22:24:14 +0200, Antispammbox-debian wrote:

>
>>> Hi all
>>
>> Hi (again).
>>
>>> The problem is this:
>>>
>>> Experimental1 with iso file with firmware write on usb:
>>> syslog-stick-firmware.txt > do not ask me choice for firmware netcard.
>>>
>>>
>>> After 20 minutes that starting installing, do not anything.
>>>
>>> Do not ask request firmeware
>>
>> Use the expert installer an manually load the firmware from the main  
>> menu. 
>>
>
>
> Ok 



You appear to have gone back to a HDD install. The firmware is on the
same medium so it can find it. That is why it does not ask you for it.

In a previous email you said:

   > After 10 minutes, appears on screen request choice from!
   > eth0:Broadcom Nextreme and Wlan: Atheros bla bla bla

The installer will not display this screen if the firmware is not loaded.

If you can see

 eth0:Broadcom Nextreme
 Wlan: Atheros bla bla bla

The installer has found and loaded the firware.

Now please do this:

   *
   *Switch to a console. Type  *
   *   * 
   *  ls /lib/firmware *
   *   *
   *and post the output to the list.   *
   *


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Re: (Debian 2.6.32-45) problems using ipv6/ip6tables #2

[Pascal Hambourg]

g.spellauge a écrit :
> thanks, bu what i do not understand is the fact, that  v6-traffic (even
> the responses to http-requests) is completely blocked after successfully
> receiving a few echo-replys?

Because after some time the neighbour cache entry expires and needs to
be refreshed, but your ruleset drops the requires ICMPv6 neighbour
discovery packets.

> if i modify
> 
>   ${IPT} -A INPUT  -i ${INE_IFACE} -m state --state
> ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
>   ${IPT} -A INPUT  -i ${INE_IFACE} -p
> icmpv6-j ACCEPT --match limit --limit 10/minute
> 
> everthing works fine.

Well, the last rule accepts enough ICMPv6 packets to refresh the
neighbour cache. Note however that 10/minute may not be enough if the
host is communicating with many neighbours.


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If you want to install stable released version

[Harry Putnam]

I still do not fully understand the debian system of versioning at its
relationship to the install isos.

If I wanted a new system that was the stable released version, which
install iso would I use?


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Problem with Iceweasel and low-quality fonts

[Vincent Lefevre]

In the Iceweasel preferences, I have the "Allow pages to choose their
own fonts, instead of my selections above" option enabled. But the
quality of the fonts is sometimes very low, a bit like bitmap fonts,
without antialiasing.

For instance on http://www.allocine.fr/ see what I get on the image
I've attached, for "A ne pas manquer". The FontFinder extension says:

Font
===
font-family (stack): Tahoma,Lucida,Arial,sans-serif
Font being rendered: Tahoma
font-size: 24px

$ fc-match Tahoma
Vera.ttf: "Bitstream Vera Sans" "Roman"

which is actually my default font. So, where does the problem come from?

Note: I have a similar problem on some other pages, where the font
is Helvetica. But this time:

$ fc-match Helvetica
helvR12-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz: "Helvetica" "Regular"

which is a bitmap font. How can such bitmap fonts be disabled for the
web browsers (only)?

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Re: If you want to install stable released version

[Rob Owens]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 09:26:09PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
> I still do not fully understand the debian system of versioning at its
> relationship to the install isos.
> 
> If I wanted a new system that was the stable released version, which
> install iso would I use?
> 
See this link:  http://www.debian.org/distrib/

"Download a small installation image" and "Download large installation
images" will both get you Debian Stable.  The difference is how much you
download to burn to a CD vs. how much you download during the
installation process.

If you wanted to get Debian Testing, you'd go here:
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

-Rob


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How are external kernel modules loaded?

[Andris Kalnozols]

I'm running Debian squeeze on an amd64 system and want to use the
current version (4.5) of ipset instead of version 2.5 in the
stable release.

After doing the following steps:

  install ipset source from http://ipset.netfilter.org/install.html
  apt-get install linux-source-2.6.32
  cd /usr/src
  bzip2 -dc linux-source-2.6.32.tar.bz2 | tar xf -
  cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32
  make defconfig
  make modules
  cd /usr/local/src/ipset/ipset-4.5
  make KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32
  make KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32 install

I am tantalizingly close but still no cigar:

  ipset -v
  ipset v4.5, protocol version 4.
  FATAL: Module ip_set not found.
  ipset v4.5: Couldn't verify kernel module version!

The ipset modules have been installed here:

  cd /lib/modules/2.6.32/extra
  ip_set.ko ip_set_ipportiphash.ko
  ip_set_macipmap.koipt_SET.ko
  ip_set_iphash.ko  ip_set_ipportnethash.ko
  ip_set_nethash.ko ipt_set.ko
  ip_set_ipmap.ko   ip_set_iptree.ko ip_set_portmap.ko
  ip_set_ipporthash.ko  ip_set_iptreemap.ko  ip_set_setlist.ko

Please tell me what's the best way to configure the system
to always find and load these modules.  My web searches for
a how-to in this regard have come up empty.

Thanks,
Andris


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Debian as a DDNS Server

[Jerry Stuckle]

Hi, all,

I've done some digging around but haven't found exactly what I'm looking 
for.


Basically I have a Debian server with a static IP address (and several 
domains registered on it).


I also have a system with a dynamic domain.

What I would like to do is set up the system with the static IP address 
to be a DDNS server, ala dyndns.org or similar.


The router on the dynamic ip system can be set up to automatically 
notify someone when the ip changes, so that's not a problem.


What do I need on the static IP system to do this?  Are there packages 
for Debian, or will I need to write my own?


TIA.


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Re: OT Seach for Elaborate Address Book Program

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 09:35:56AM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote:
> Thanks for all the suggestions.  I wrote several large programs in
> Pascal ten years ago but nothing since then.  I'll take a quick look to
> see if it all comes back to me, otherwise I'll check out the other
> suggestions.  The appeal of programming is the ability to add features
> as they occur to me in the future.

Have you had a look at abook for a starting point. Or when you say
elaborate, do you mean heaps of eye candy?

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Re: backing up

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 18:45 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
> > cp -R ~/.thunderbird ~/.thunderbird.backup

>Nevermind :) Found the backups in /var/lib/gdm3
>Didn't realize that's where GDM would put them.

A GDM script can't put ~/.thunderbird.backup in /var/lib/gdm3, since the
path ~/ belongs to /home/user_account, resp. /root. You must have done
something wrong.




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Re: changing sound parameter on startup

[Chris Bannister]

[Please don't TOP POST! Please trim your posts!]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 02:20:32PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 23:55 +0300, Volkan YAZICI wrote:
> > /etc/rc.local?
> The comment says
> # This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
> which doesn't sound like the right place.  I'm also not sure if that

It is the right place. It means that any commands in rc.local will be
executed *AFTER* all the commands have been executed in the other rc
scripts.

That is where I stick my startup noises. :)
less /etc/rc.local
aplay -q /home/chrisb/movies/pp/homer/Belch.wav
aplay -q /home/chrisb/movies/pp/hal/better.wav
exit 0



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[Junk] Re: backing up

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Re: How are external kernel modules loaded?

[Andris Kalnozols]

On 5/26/2012 6:48 PM, Andris Kalnozols wrote:

I'm running Debian squeeze on an amd64 system and want to use the
current version (4.5) of ipset instead of version 2.5 in the
stable release.

After doing the following steps:

install ipset source from http://ipset.netfilter.org/install.html
apt-get install linux-source-2.6.32
cd /usr/src
bzip2 -dc linux-source-2.6.32.tar.bz2 | tar xf -
cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32
make defconfig
make modules
cd /usr/local/src/ipset/ipset-4.5
make KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32
make KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32 install

I am tantalizingly close but still no cigar:

ipset -v
ipset v4.5, protocol version 4.
FATAL: Module ip_set not found.
ipset v4.5: Couldn't verify kernel module version!

The ipset modules have been installed here:

cd /lib/modules/2.6.32/extra
ip_set.ko ip_set_ipportiphash.ko
ip_set_macipmap.ko ipt_SET.ko
ip_set_iphash.ko ip_set_ipportnethash.ko
ip_set_nethash.ko ipt_set.ko
ip_set_ipmap.ko ip_set_iptree.ko ip_set_portmap.ko
ip_set_ipporthash.ko ip_set_iptreemap.ko ip_set_setlist.ko

Please tell me what's the best way to configure the system
to always find and load these modules. My web searches for
a how-to in this regard have come up empty.

Thanks,
Andris


OK, following up on my own post, I ran across these two hints:

  http://linux.die.net/lkmpg/x380.html 
http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/12534/compiling-and-linking-a-simple-module/


I already had the linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 package installed
and so concentrated my efforts on convincing the ipset Makefile
that `KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64' was my
kernel source directory.  That seemed to work until the Makefile
wanted to see this file:

  $(KERNEL_DIR)/net/ipv4/netfilter/Kconfig

It just so happens that the linux-source-2.6.32 package has it:

  /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/net/ipv4/netfilter/Kconfig

Adding the following symlink did the trick:

  cd /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64
  ln -s ../linux-source-2.6.32/net net

So, the updated procedure for getting the current version of
ipset installed is:

  install ipset source from http://ipset.netfilter.org/install.html
  apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64
  apt-get install linux-source-2.6.32
  cd /usr/src
  bzip2 -dc linux-source-2.6.32.tar.bz2 | tar xf -
  cd /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64
  ln -s ../linux-source-2.6.32/net net
  cd /usr/local/src/ipset/ipset-4.5
  make KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64
  make KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 install
  depmod   # just to make sure

and voila:

  ipset -v
  ipset v4.5, protocol version 4.
  Kernel module protocol version 4.

Now on to constructing the ipset blacklist and configuring Shorewall
to use it.

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Re: If you want to install stable released version

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 09:26:09PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
> I still do not fully understand the debian system of versioning at its
> relationship to the install isos.
> 
> If I wanted a new system that was the stable released version, which
> install iso would I use?

Is the documentation at "http://www.debian.org/./CD/"; unclear?

For a BitTorrent download (preferable, so as not to waste bandwidth)

Example:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/bt-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent

Chose your architecture: i386, in this case.
Version 6.0.5 is current stable.

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Re: [Junk] Re: backing up

[Aubrey Raech]

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> Please stop this!
> 
> 1. debian-user@lists.debian.org  ?
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> 3. Don't use HTML. Use plain text.
> 4. Top posting isn't wanted.
> 
> AND 5.
> 
> What is this? ...
(...)

Thank you very much, this saved me an off-list reply. Always nice to
have these reminders, as many seem to do these things anyway. :)

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Re: changing sound parameter on startup

[Ross Boylan]

Regarding getting
echo 1024 > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc
equivalent on startup:

On Sun, 2012-05-27 at 16:38 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 02:20:32PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 23:55 +0300, Volkan YAZICI wrote:
> > > /etc/rc.local?
> > The comment says
> > # This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
> > which doesn't sound like the right place.  I'm also not sure if that
> 
> It is the right place. It means that any commands in rc.local will be
> executed *AFTER* all the commands have been executed in the other rc
> scripts.
That sounds as if it's the automatic equivalent of what I'm doing now,
which is certainly an improvement.

There might be a remaining problem.  I've disabled sound in KDE because
even root can't change the buffer size if KDE sound is on.  I'd like to
reenable KDE sound.  Since the startup scripts only start KDM, not KDE,
maybe that's not an issue.


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dovecot imap: folder location problems

[Richard Hector]

Hi all,

I decided to investigate my Maildir layout a bit more closely, because I 
thought it was causing problems for K9 Mail on my Android phone. Turns 
out it wasn't, really, but never mind.


I discovered that perhaps I should have migrated my Maildir from courier 
to dovecot, rather than just assuming it would work as is.


As a result, I decided to rename all my folders to not have the ".INBOX" 
prefix on them.


I also experimented with the namespace section of the dovecot config, 
putting an INBOX. prefix in there.


Now, I'm stuck in a state where icedove appears to see my folders when I 
create my account (I've been repeatedly deleting and recreating it in 
the hopes that it will forget outdated info), but can't find them when I 
click on them - it seems to expect an INBOX prefix.


If I add the INBOX prefix in the dovecot config, then it shows an 
(italic, faint) INBOX folder under my ordinary Inbox, with all the 
folders in it. And it still can't find them.


Evolution, on the other hand, can see folders both under Inbox (where it 
can't find them), and at the same level as Inbox, where they actually 
work - hence using Evo to create this message.


Any suggestions as to how my mailserver actually _should_ be set up, and 
how I can make icedove and evolution see that correctly?


Thanks,

Richard


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Re: (Mostly Solved) Re: How to get new RSA key in known_hosts file?

[Marc Shapiro]

On 05/25/2012 05:30 AM, Celejar wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:10:15 -0700
Marc Shapiro  wrote:


On 5/24/12, Celejar  wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 20:24:49 -0700
Marc Shapiro  wrote:
That got me connected, after answering 'yes' to a few prompts, but...
When I now try to connect, I get the following:

Warning: the RSA host key for 'xx' differs from the key for the IP
address '192.168.1.2'
Offending key for IP in /home/xxx/.ssh/known_hosts:2
Matching host key in /home/xxx/.ssh/known_hosts:3
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes

You can get rid of this by doing the above ssh-keygen command for both
the ip address and hostname of the remote box.
Thanks!  That did it.  I had not realized that the key was stored 
separately for the hostname AND the IP address.

As you can see, it does connect me, but only after requiring me to
answer a prompt and enter my password.  I don't think that I needed to
enter my password before.  Password authentication was disabled for
? If your keys are properly set up, you should be automatically logged
in.


security purposes.

This doesn't make sense; if the sshd is instructed to disable password
authentication, then if the key isn't available, the login should just
fail.

Celejar
Well, I can now connect without getting warnings, or errors.  It is 
still asking for my password and I can live with that for now.  I will 
look into authenticating without using passwords but, at least I can 
connect now.


Thanks, again.

Marc


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Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"

[Ralf Mardorf]

Joe's back again :(.

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Re: Motion M1400 tablet upgrade woe

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 26 mai 12, 14:18:39, chris dunn wrote:
> 
> Is anyone able to suggest the root of the problem or advise where I can
> report the failure?

Not me, but I strongly suggest you don't do major upgrades with 
synaptic. Instead use apt-get or aptitude, preferably from a console (or 
GNU screen if you really prefer to use some xterm).

It's generally recommended to do an upgrade/safe-upgrade before the 
dist-upgrade/full-upgrade. If you encounter any troubles post the full 
output of the last command and the output of 'apt-cache policy'.

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Re: Debian as a DDNS Server

[Andrei POPESCU]

Please don't reply to previous posts when you intend to start a new 
thread. Most clients will attach your message to the other thread and 
people who could help you may not notice it.

On Sb, 26 mai 12, 22:47:06, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
> What I would like to do is set up the system with the static IP
> address to be a DDNS server, ala dyndns.org or similar.

Are the two hosts in the same (sub-)network or completely different 
hosts with public IPs?

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Re: If you want to install stable released version

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 26 mai 12, 21:26:09, Harry Putnam wrote:
> I still do not fully understand the debian system of versioning at its
> relationship to the install isos.

Can you provide some examples?
 
> If I wanted a new system that was the stable released version, which
> install iso would I use?

The latest iso for stable, of course :p
(SCNR)

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Re: [Junk] Re: backing up

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 27 mai 12, 06:46:42, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Please stop this!
> 
> 1. debian-user@lists.debian.org  ?
> 2. Don't reply privately by "to" or "cc", reply to the list only.
> 3. Don't use HTML. Use plain text.
> 4. Top posting isn't wanted.
> 
> AND 5.
> 
> What is this? ...

It's either spam or some misconfigured auto-responder. I have already 
notified the listmasters, but it's very difficult to track, especially 
because it's spurious :(

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Re: (Mostly Solved) Re: How to get new RSA key in known_hosts file?

[Dom]

On 27/05/12 06:49, Marc Shapiro wrote:

Well, I can now connect without getting warnings, or errors. It is still
asking for my password and I can live with that for now. I will look
into authenticating without using passwords but, at least I can connect
now.



I'm guessing you were using shared keys?

If you have rebuilt your system, it's identity will have changed.

Firstly you can try copying the content of ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub (or 
id_rsa.pub, depending on which you use) onto the end of 
~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the destination machine.


You might need to generate a new key (see ssh-keygen) first.

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Re: dovecot imap: folder location problems

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 27 mai 12, 17:36:44, Richard Hector wrote:
> 
> Any suggestions as to how my mailserver actually _should_ be set up,
> and how I can make icedove and evolution see that correctly?

I'd say:
1. make sure your maildirs are setup like 
http://www.courier-mta.org/maildir.html
2. tweak the dovecot config as needed to add prefixes as needed

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Re: mp280

[steef]

thank you, lisi and camaleon. and, calameon: was that elven maiden galadriel?

k.r.

steef





Camaleón wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 22:18:26 +0200, steef wrote:


Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 15:15:46 -0400, Celejar wrote:


On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:11:58 + (UTC) Camaleón
wrote:


(...)


I always avoid Canon devices as much as I can but if there's no
option...


I'm not very happy with my MP-240:


(...)
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Spam?

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi Listmaster,

list members receive off-list mails

From: debian-user@lists.debian.org 

but with

Reply-to: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" 

with the call to post on top:

"__
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Perhaps just an accidental slip, dunno, maybe this anyway could cause
confusion and needs clarification.

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Re: (Mostly Solved) Re: How to get new RSA key in known_hosts file?

[Jude DaShiell]

I usually do:
ssh-agent ssh-keygen -t rsa 
I don't normally key in anything for the password and keep hitting enter 
until ssh-keygen is done.  That works for local files for me and I usually 
also do ssh-agent ssh--add and ssh-copy-id -i email address for remote 
location and enter password when prompted.  Your mileage may vary.  I 
usually use ssh-agent ssh -l login email domain in this case 
shellworld.net for ssh and ssh-agent sftp email-address for ftp.



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Re: OT: Newbie questions on security

[Scott Ferguson]

On 09/03/12 02:40, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 08 mar 12, 12:52:01, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>  
>> You can post them here as long as they are Debian related[2]. If there 
>> is a better list for any specific question you will get hints.
> 
> Sorry list, I didn't expect what was about to come...
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

No need to apologise. This'll be great.
Just answer all the questions.

I've got popcorn. :-)



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Re: (Mostly Solved) Re: How to get new RSA key in known_hosts file?

[Dom]

On 27/05/12 07:31, Dom wrote:

On 27/05/12 06:49, Marc Shapiro wrote:

Well, I can now connect without getting warnings, or errors. It is still
asking for my password and I can live with that for now. I will look
into authenticating without using passwords but, at least I can connect
now.



I'm guessing you were using shared keys?

If you have rebuilt your system, it's identity will have changed.

Firstly you can try copying the content of ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub (or
id_rsa.pub, depending on which you use) onto the end of
~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the destination machine.

You might need to generate a new key (see ssh-keygen) first.


Duh! I should have checked the subject first. Of course you are using RSA.

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Re: If you want to install stable released version

[Slavko]

Ahoj,

Dňa Sat, 26 May 2012 21:26:09 -0400 Harry Putnam 
napísal:

> I still do not fully understand the debian system of versioning at its
> relationship to the install isos.

Debian has three main "versions" (more precise: the Debian's distribution
or branch):

* stable - released after cca 2 years (more precise - after it is prepared)
* testing - is preparation of the next stable
* unstable/sid - is purely for testing and debian developing

The stable version is named stable, because there is minimum changes after
release (mostly only security updates). It is perfect solution for servers
and other production machines. Software is well tested.

The unstable is named unstable, because here are a lot of software
changes. The unstable is branch, where are new packages and they new
versions incoming. In this branch are most bug discovered and solved and is
not decided for production usage.

The testing release is branch, where are packages going after some time
period and when they without bugs of the certain level from unstable. Then
this branch is more stable (i mean software changes) and more bugfree than
unstable. In this branch are more another bugs discovered and solved
(because it has more users), then here are more bugs than in stable. This
branch is good for home usage, it has newest software versions than stable.

Some people are naming testing as rollover release, but this is not exact
term, because some time (cca 6 month) before new stable release it is
freezed - incoming new software versions from unstable to testing is
stopped and only bugfixes are accepted.

When new stable version is released, it simple mean that:

* the actual stable is renamed as oldstable
* the actual testing is renamed to stable
* the actual unstable is copied as new testing.

By this, the stable can point to different version of the Debian in time.
If one need point to exact one version of the Debian, the code name is
used. Actual stable is Squeeze, next stable will be Wheeze, etc :-)

You can read more about Debian:

* http://www.debian.org/distrib/
* http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing
* http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives

> If I wanted a new system that was the stable released version, which
> install iso would I use?

Don't worry about this, most of the links from debian.org are pointing you
to stable release. I always have problem to find links to download new
testing CDs from debian page (when i have not direct link from
bookmarks) :-D

But if you want to be sure, actual stable has version number 6.0 (named as
squeeze) and latest security update for it is numbered as 6.0.5. IMO, all
official stable CD/DVD are named with version number + architecture name.
The architecture mostly will be i386 (intel 32b) or amd64 (intel 64b), but
there are another architectures too, then you can find one for you.

regards

-- 
Slavko
http://slavino.sk


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Re: [SOLVED... sort of] Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

[Joost Kraaijeveld]

Hi,

My problem is solved: I am able to print with both machines, although
graphics appear to be very slow. Then why "sort of"? I do not know which
driver I am actually using...

After reading the discussion between Brian and Camaleón (and some
suggestions in private mail, thanks to all) which centred around "to PS
or to PCL, that's the question", I decided to remove everything on both
machines that even vaguely has something to do with printing (OK,
without removing Gnome completely). I re-installed Cups and tried all
drivers that came for the HP2000 DTN without any improvement. Then I
(accidentally) un-installed the printer-driver-postscript-hp package,
re-installed it again. After this I had two *identical entries* for the
HP LaserJet 2200 Postscript driver in the CUPS browser based
administration tool (not in the Gnome GUI btw). If I use the first entry
in the list it does NOT work. But if I use the second entry, I can print
on both machines.

The source of the CUPS administration tool shows (notice the 2 entries
for HP LaserJet 2200 Postscript on line 8 and 9):

HP LaserJet 2200 Foomatic/lj4dith (en)
HP LaserJet 2200 Foomatic/lj5gray (en)
HP LaserJet 2200 Foomatic/ljet4 (en)
HP LaserJet 2200 Foomatic/Postscript (en)
HP LaserJet 2200 Foomatic/pxlmono (en)
HP LaserJet 
2200 hpijs pcl3, 3.12.2 (en)
HP LaserJet 2200 
pcl3, hpcups 3.12.2 (en)
HP 
LaserJet 2200 Postscript (recommended) (en)
HP 
LaserJet 2200 Postscript (recommended) (en)
HP LaserJet 
2200 Series hpijs, 3.12.2 (en)
HP LaserJet 2200 
Series, hpcups 3.12.2 (en)

I do not know the difference between the two, other than the empirical
proof that the first entry does not work and the second does.

-- 
Groeten,

Joost Kraaijeveld
Askesis B.V.
Molukkenstraat 14
6524NB Nijmegen
tel: 024-3888063 / 06-51855277
fax: 024-3608416
web: www.askesis.nl


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