Huge fonts in openoffice.org user interface (revisited)

[Dan H.]

Hello,

maybe you remember this thread as of a few weeks ago. My problem is that
the user interface font in OpenOffice is gargantuan when run under fvwm.

However, during my recent experiments with gnome-desktop-environment
(which also messed up my cursor theme, thanks for the
update-alternatives tip) I discovered that Oo looks just fine! Small
fonts, nicely integrated with the look of the whole desktop.

My question is: Where the hell does OO get its ideas about UI fonts? Can
only be through environment variables, can't it? So I dumped the shell
environment variables once from a terminal in the gnome desktop and once
from fvwm. Both terminals had been used to start OO from the command
line. I then diffed one environment against the other with

$ diff environment_fvwm environment_gnome

The result is attached below. Of course the line
GTK_RC_FILES=/etc/gtk/gtkrc:/home/dh/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2
immediately caught my attention, so I exported that variable in a shell
in fvwm and started OO, but to no avail.

So, again: Where does OO get its UI font ideas?

Thanks,
--D.


Below is the complete environment diff:


13c13,14
< COLUMNS=120
---
> COLORTERM=gnome-terminal
> COLUMNS=80
15c16
<
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-HtM8H5oNK9,guid=e32c94f9ccdfe9405b4ec00045dbfe09
---
>
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-DrDTw89ZfL,guid=b3232343a1a9051e9a857a0045dbfddd
16a18
> DESKTOP_STARTUP_ID=
21,22c23,24
< FVWM_MODULEDIR=/usr/lib/fvwm/2.5.18
< FVWM_USERDIR=/home/dh/.fvwm
---
> GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=Default
> GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET=/tmp/keyring-VwW1nf/socket
23a26
> GTK_RC_FILES=/etc/gtk/gtkrc:/home/dh/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2
28d30
< HOSTDISPLAY=kir:0.0
33c35
< LINES=64
---
> LINES=24
44c46
< PPID=3932
---
> PPID=3795
49a52
> SESSION_MANAGER=local/kir:/tmp/.ICE-unix/3659
53,54c56,57
< SSH_AGENT_PID=3917
< SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-KsErVB3865/agent.3865
---
> SSH_AGENT_PID=3711
> SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-OMHUil3659/agent.3659
59c62
< WINDOWID=6291471
---
> WINDOWID=33554512
61,62d63
< XTERM_SHELL=/bin/bash
< XTERM_VERSION='XTerm(222)'


Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:20:27 +0100
> Sven Arvidsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 10:06 +0100, Dan H. wrote:
>>> After a sarge->etch (and, consequently, oo-1.2 -> oo2.0) upgrade I
>>> found that all fonts in menus and dialog boxes are huge (see
>> [...]
>>> As you can see in the dialog box in that screenshot, there is a "Use
>>> system font for user interface" checkbox. Unclicking it and
>>> re-starting the app doesn't make any difference at all, neither
>>> does changing default fonts in a KDE desktop environment
>> I see this too, in a GNOME environment. My fonts are not larger than
>> the default ones, but different and with worse anti-aliasing.
> 
> I think there is an issue with OOo and freetype 2.2.x in
> testing/unstable. I compiled freetype 2.1.10, copied the libraries 
> to /usr/local/lib/freetype-2.1.10, and put the following line
> in /usr/bin/oowrapper:
> 
> $ENV{LD_PRELOAD} =
> '/usr/local/lib/freetype-2.1.10/libfreetype.so.6';
> 
> Drastic measures, I know! The result is quite pleasing though:
> 
> http://otoole.webhop.org/desktop/OOo.png
> 
>> Apparently, you and I are not alone, a quick check in the bug tracker
>> show quite a few similar bugs, 340029, 351781, 357356, 376878,
>> 400419... and a few others I'm sure.
>>
> 
> 
> 





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Re: Internet Dial-up Connection Setting

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On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 23:20 -0800, Khurram Pirzada wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I have somewhat different problem. I use Lucent Dual Chipset modem which is 
> on PCI
> slot 1 (under XP) at COM3. Additionally I have Realtek RTL8139 family PCI Fast
> Ethernet at NIC #1 & 2.
> 
> Last night I installed Debian and skipped to configure internet setting 
> later. Later
> when I tried, it gave error message 
> 
> "/etc/resolv.conf is missing. Create with appropriate read and write 
> permission". I
> dont know what this means, as I am new, and what should I do to configure and 
> use
> internet.
> 
> I tried
> 
> man resolv.conf
> 
> and from there I got the impression that either in the proporlly configured 
> systems
> does not need it, or there are certain "human readable" params that might need
> fixing with proper values. I did 
> 
> vi resolv.conf
> 
> and there was nothing - completely empty. Could anyone tell me in little 
> detail what
> exactly I should be doing. Unable to get local expertise ont his matter made 
> me to
> turn to this community.
> 
> Thanks for understanding.
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It is to be created in /etc. If you don't have any, create one
in /etc/ppp, and a symlink in /etc pointing to it. Basically it consists
of two lines - the two nameservers you will use and your ISP should have
provided. So it will look like:

nameserver aaa.bbb.ccc.dd1
nameserver aaa.bbb.ccc.dd2

If you don't have these details, check your network connection settings
in XP, and use the nameservers from there.

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Re: Attracting newbies

[marc]

Daniel B. said...
> marc wrote:
> > Daniel B. said...
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:27:40AM -, marc wrote:
> ...
>  And the user can also provide their own CSS too, should they wish.
> >> Right.  But the reader shouldn't have to re-write a page's style sheet
> >> just to be able to read it conveniently.
> > 
> > And no-one suggested that they should.
> 
> Saying that the user can provide their own CSS suggests that that's an
> acceptable solution, so, yes, your words DID suggest that.

No it doesn't. Really.

Let's see: you can jump out of a plane, without a parachute, at 30,000 
feet, should you wish, and you will reach terra firma.

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Re: Internet Dial-up Connection Setting

[Chris Lale]

Khurram Pirzada wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have somewhat different problem. I use Lucent Dual Chipset modem which is on 
PCI
slot 1 (under XP) at COM3. Additionally I have Realtek RTL8139 family PCI Fast
Ethernet at NIC #1 & 2.

Last night I installed Debian and skipped to configure internet setting later. 
Later
when I tried, it gave error message 


"/etc/resolv.conf is missing. Create with appropriate read and write 
permission". I
dont know what this means, as I am new, and what should I do to configure and 
use
internet.

I tried

man resolv.conf

and from there I got the impression that either in the proporlly configured 
systems
does not need it, or there are certain "human readable" params that might need
fixing with proper values. I did 


vi resolv.conf

and there was nothing - completely empty. Could anyone tell me in little detail 
what
exactly I should be doing. Unable to get local expertise ont his matter made me 
to
turn to this community.
  


Have a look at sections 4 in
http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Broadband_-_setting_up_an_ethernet_ADSL_modem/router#Configure_nameservers

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(SOLVED) Huge fonts in openoffice.org user interface

[Dan H.]

Dan H. wrote:

> So, again: Where does OO get its UI font ideas?

Still gnawing my teeth on this problem I googled again, and found this
snippet by Liam O'Toole. Ironically this had come up in the very thread
I created, but must have got buried in the many other posts on this list
(does anybody know how to automatically mark whole threads, and new
contributions to them, as "Important" in Thunderbird?). Aynway, Liam writes:

> I think OOo gets its idea of screen resolution from the X resource
> database, whereas many other applications use the X server's
> resolution.
> What is the output of the following commands?
>
>xrdb -q | grep dpi
>xdpyinfo | grep resolution
>
> Do the two results differ?

I tried it. Under fvwm, the first command gives no result at all, and
the second gives "85x86 dots per inch". In the gnome environment, xrdb
has a result for me (96), and xdpyinfo is still at 85x86.

I measured the actual screen resolution and it is about 86dpi. So I put
that in my .Xresources file and everything is fine.

Now of course the next interesting question is out of which hat Gnome
pulls its 96dpi idea.

Since I like to start my X sessions through $HOME/.xsession, I could put
a line or two in there that evaluates xdpyinfo and puts an appropriate
value into xrdb.

Thanks everybody for your support,

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Re: Woody on 486 problem

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On 20.02.07 23:40, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:52:24 -0600
> John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Arnt Karlsen writes:
> > > ..write new bios code for old 386 irons to use todays new big ass
> > > disks is trivial to you?
> > 
> > Linux doesn't use the BIOS.  You just need something the BIOS
> > supports for a boot disk.  Once the kernel is up it will handle your
> > large disk fine.
> 
> Does that mean that I can put /boot on a CD, boot from it and have the
> root on a HDD bigger then 32 GB?

Yes. But in some cases (of motherboards) you'll have to turn off that disk
in the BIOS setup. 

> My BIOS does not recognize HDDs bigger then 32 GB unless I set the jumpers
> on the 'clip' setting, but it can boot from CD.

2.4 kernels had CONFIG_IDEDISK_STROKE optikon for geometry resizing of big
disks. It seems that 2.6 kernel does that automatically (or at least, using
option hdx=stroke). You could even try to boot from the disk and have /boot
there, just make BIOS think it's smaller disk than it is...

However I don't think you should have root partition bigger than 32GB - my
root partitions are usually smaller - I use /var, /home (ext3) and /tmp
(tmpfs) on extra filesystems.
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nvidia driver problem

[steef]

hi folks,

need some help on the strange behaviour on installing of one of the 
newest nvidia-drivers from their website for specific needs.

1. i installed etch from a daily build, 15/2/2007.
2. got the graphics working with the debian_vesa driver
3. downloaded the nvidia-instller from their website (see in the log 
further on for the exact version)

4. as root i installed this driver.

so far so good.

but, after restarting my machine, debian complained it could not find 
nvidia-ko etc. see /var/log/ further on.


is there somebody out there with some clues? and, what can be done about 
this?


(yesterday
the linux-driver page of nvidia-com was not online: this is exceptional)

(for the rest: my 'normal' graphics are runneing fine on the debian "nv" 
driver, but I STILL NEED the other not native one.


regards,

steef

info on driver etc.

from /etc/X11/xorg.conf and

/var/log/nvidia-installer.log and ther result, partly, of

lspci -v



/etc/X11/xorg.conf:

# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
# sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
# path to defoma fonts
FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "bitmap"
Load "ddc"
Load "dri"
Load "extmod"
Load "freetype"
Load "glx"
Load "int10"
Load "vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
Option "XkbVariant" "intl"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "CorePointer"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Generieke videokaart"
Driver "nv"
BusID "PCI:0:5:0"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Generieke beeldscherm"
Option "DPMS"
HorizSync 28-50
VertRefresh 43-75
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "Generieke videokaart"
Monitor "Generieke beeldscherm"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 1
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 4
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen"
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection



/var/log/nvidia-installer.log
<> snip


In file included from include/linux/list.h:8,
from include/linux/lockdep.h:12,
from include/linux/spinlock_types.h:12,
from include/linux/spinlock.h:78,
from include/linux/capability.h:45,
from include/linux/sched.h:44,
from include/linux/module.h:9,
from /tmp/selfgz4000/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9631-pkg1/usr/src
/nv/nv-linux.h:51,
from /tmp/selfgz4000/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9631-pkg1/usr/src
/nv/nv-i2c.c:8:
include/linux/prefetch.h: In function ‘prefetch_range’:
include/linux/prefetch.h:62: warning: pointer of type ‘void *’ used in a
rithmetic
In file included from include/linux/dmapool.h:14,
from include/linux/pci.h:564,
from /tmp/selfgz4000/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9631-pkg1/usr/src
/nv/nv-linux.h:77,
from /tmp/selfgz4000/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9631-pkg1/usr/src
/nv/nv-i2c.c:8:
include/asm/io.h: In function ‘check_signature’:
include/asm/io.h:245: warning: wrong type argument to increment
ld -m elf_i386 -m elf_i386 -r -o /tmp/selfgz4000/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-963
1-pkg1/usr/src/nv/nvidia.o /tmp/selfgz4000/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9631-pkg1/us
r/src/nv/nv-kernel.o /tmp/selfgz4000/NVIDIA-

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Chris Lale]

Ron Johnson wrote:

[...]
I recently discovered the debian-goodies package, which has
the *incredibly* useful app "checkrestart".  Run it after you
upgrade (and restart X) to see what is still using old file
versions.  Using kill or a slightly off-named script in /etc/init.d,
you should be able make all running daemons "find" new library files.

[...]
  


Brilliant! It tells even me which init scripts to run. After running the 
init restart scripts I am left with these:


   apache2-mpm-prefork:
   24799   /usr/sbin/apache2
   24798   /usr/sbin/apache2
   24791   /usr/sbin/apache2
   24802   /usr/sbin/apache2
   24801   /usr/sbin/apache2
   24800   /usr/sbin/apache2

If I kill these processes, apache does not deliver any pages until I 
restart apache2. But, checkrestart then finds the new processes are 
again using old versions:


   Found 9 processes using old versions of upgraded files
   (1 distinct programs)
   (1 distinct packages)

   Of these, 0 seem to contain init scripts which can be used to 
restart them:


   Here are the others:
   apache2-mpm-prefork:
   26027   /usr/sbin/apache2
   26017   /usr/sbin/apache2
   26012   /usr/sbin/apache2
   26018   /usr/sbin/apache2
   26019   /usr/sbin/apache2
   26020   /usr/sbin/apache2
   26026   /usr/sbin/apache2
   26021   /usr/sbin/apache2
   26028   /usr/sbin/apache2

Any idea why checkrestart is reporting old versions again?

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Re: Dosemu

[Chris Lale]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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Ken Heard wrote:



[snip]
  

Now we are getting somewhere. It seems that you do not have some
development libraries installed (necessary for compiling dosemu from
source).

Please do

apt-get install xorg-dev
apt-get install libslang2-dev

and try to compile again. If there are any other errors, please tell
about it on the list (in other words, don't say "it does not work", but
tell what the error messages are). You sent a personal email to me
twice; this is of course OK, but please, use a valid return address next
time if you want an answer.



I still don't see why he just can't/won't/shouldn't install the
Debian packages from contrib...

  


I don't either. It must be more convenient than compiling from source. 
If you don't have any ethical objection to using the dosemu source, why 
would you have any ethical objection to using "contrib" in Debian?



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Re: (SOLVED) Huge fonts in openoffice.org user interface

[Liam O'Toole]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:18:40 +0100
"Dan H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[...]

> Still gnawing my teeth on this problem I googled again, and found this
> snippet by Liam O'Toole. Ironically this had come up in the very
> thread I created, but must have got buried in the many other posts on
> this list (does anybody know how to automatically mark whole threads,
> and new contributions to them, as "Important" in Thunderbird?).

Because I heard no more from you, I assumed you'd fixed it. A quiet
user is usually a happy user :-)

[...]

> Now of course the next interesting question is out of which hat Gnome
> pulls its 96dpi idea.

[...]

That value is arbitrarily chosen by the GNOME people. It has been
argued that GNOME should use the same value as the resolution of the X
server instead, but to no avail.

Liam


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Re: (SOLVED) Huge fonts in openoffice.org user interface

[Dan H.]

Dan H. wrote:

> Since I like to start my X sessions through $HOME/.xsession, I could put
> a line or two in there that evaluates xdpyinfo and puts an appropriate
> value into xrdb.

Done:

xdpyinfo | sed -rn \
's/^[[:space:]]+resolution:[[:space:]]+([0-9]+).*/Xft.dpi: \1/p' \
| xrdb -merge

This evaluates only the X dpi value, but that won't matter.
Interestingly, the gnome-session which is called right after this line
overrides the 85dpi value with its erroneous 96dpi. Well, fuck that.

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Re: Missing devices on raid1 setup

[martin f krafft]

also sprach José Pablo Fernández <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.02.21.0515 +0100]:
> ARRAY /dev/md2 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=[...]
>devices=/dev/sda3,/dev/sdb3
> ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=[...]
>devices=/dev/sda1
> ARRAY /dev/md1 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=[...]
>devices=/dev/sda2

I would just remove the devices= lines. Does that fix it?

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Re: (SOLVED) Huge fonts in openoffice.org user interface

[Vladimir Kozlov]

Dan H. wrote:
>> What is the output of the following commands?
>>
>>xrdb -q | grep dpi
>>xdpyinfo | grep resolution
>>
>> Do the two results differ?
> 
> I tried it. Under fvwm, the first command gives no result at all, and
> the second gives "85x86 dots per inch". In the gnome environment, xrdb
> has a result for me (96), and xdpyinfo is still at 85x86.
> 
> I measured the actual screen resolution and it is about 86dpi. So I put
> that in my .Xresources file and everything is fine.
> 
> Now of course the next interesting question is out of which hat Gnome
> pulls its 96dpi idea.
> 
Just for your info: on my laptop the results are as follows:
vladimir:~>  xrdb -q | grep dpi
Xft.dpi:96.00
vladimir:~> xdpyinfo | grep resolution
  resolution:96x96 dots per inch


Yes, it's GNOME (Etch) as well...

Kind regards,

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Re: (SOLVED) Huge fonts in openoffice.org user interface

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 11:16 +0100, Dan H. wrote:
> the gnome-session which is called right after this line
> overrides the 85dpi value with its erroneous 96dpi. Well, fuck that.

The DPI value can be adjusted in the preference menu for fonts in GNOME.

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Re: nvidia driver problem

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steef wrote:
> 
> 
> hi folks,
> 
> need some help on the strange behaviour on installing of one of the
> newest nvidia-drivers from their website for specific needs.
> 1. i installed etch from a daily build, 15/2/2007.
> 2. got the graphics working with the debian_vesa driver
> 3. downloaded the nvidia-instller from their website (see in the log
> further on for the exact version)
> 4. as root i installed this driver.
> 
> so far so good.
> 
> but, after restarting my machine, debian complained it could not find
> nvidia-ko etc. see /var/log/ further on.
> 
> is there somebody out there with some clues? and, what can be done about
> this?
> 
> (yesterday
> the linux-driver page of nvidia-com was not online: this is exceptional)
> 
> (for the rest: my 'normal' graphics are runneing fine on the debian "nv"
> driver, but I STILL NEED the other not native one.

> /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
> 

> Section "Device"
> Identifier "Generieke videokaart"
> Driver "nv"
> BusID "PCI:0:5:0"
> EndSection

That reference (the "nv") is the open source driver.  You can replace it
with "nvidia" manually, or better yet, run as root:

dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

Then go through the menus and choose the appropriate driver (and other
settings that are appropriate for your computer).

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Re: Kontakt na inzerciu.

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On 20.02.07 22:01, peter ing. wrote:
> From: "peter ing." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:01:12 +0100
> Subject: Kontakt na inzerciu.
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> Inzercia zoznamenie č. 67198
> Môj počitač mi neotvorí kontakt "obalku", zrejme Linux, ako mi môžete
> pomôcť.

Je mi luto, nemozeme.
neviem ako ste sa dostali k tejto adrese a posielaniu mailov na nu, ale toto
je ANGLICKA diskusna skupine pre ludi, ktoda sa tyka IBA distribucie debian.

Odporucam vam pre zaciatok pohladat si vo svojom okoli cloveka, co sa aspon
ako-tak rozumie pocitacom, aby sa na to pozrel, a najprv zistil ci to vobec
je linux, ci je to debian, a ci vam neporadi on(a).

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Re: Configure error: C compiler cannot create executables

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On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 03:15:26PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote:
> I found the answer to my own problem.  I only had gcc installed; whereas 
> it seems that g++ was also needed for the configuration.  It seems that 
> g++ and gcc are dependent on each other.

man g++
man gcc

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Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 06:38:29PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Hans du Plooy wrote:
> >On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 14:55 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >
> >>Ask me about the machine and the ping pong balls some time.

Or the 12 billiard balls where one is lighter/heavier and all you have
is a set of balance scales.

You have to find which one it is plus whether its lighter or heavier in
3 weighings.

I think/hope its 3 :-)

Hint: Its a waste of time, for example, splitting them into 2 groups of
6; i.e. Is it a light one on one side or a heavy one on the other :-)

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Re: any recomendedations of documentation for half a dozen services.

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:09:32AM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote:
> hi all
> i'm about to deploy a network which will be using debian servers on its
> backend (etch, hopefully) and about a hundred gnu/linux desktops.
> 
> I'll be setting up a bunch of services, and was hoping people could
> recommend specific help they used to go with the huge quantity of
> goodness-knows-what-quality doco on the internet.

Not bad:
http://aboutdebian.com/network.htm


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Re: Debian "Etch" OpenGL libraries

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 02/20/07 09:21, Srikanth Venigandla wrote:

Hi, I am trying to install a software called Geant4 on my debian
"Etch" installation of x86_64 architecture (intel EMT64). I
figured out that OpenGL libraries installation is incomplete on
my system. I tried posting the error message in Geant4 website
where I got the suggestion to check OpenGL libraries installtion.
I have cross checked with other installation on RedHat linux and
found that several libraries in /usr/X11R6/lib directory are
missing in my debian installation. These libraries as I suppose
are related to X windows and OpenGL libraries. I checked in
package manager and serched web and installed all the possible
software pkgs that are similar to these libraries but I couldn't
get it work. My installation doesn't open any OpenGL window.
Could anyone please specify where can I download these drivers
and which libraries make my installation complete. Note: I have
installed NVidia drivers on my system. Will there be any
conflicts b/w NVidia drivers and OpenGL libraies? Thanks 


Is xserver-xorg-core installed?

Note that if you directly install the upstream nvidia driver, it
conflicts with the xserver-xorg-core version of
/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so, and every time that
xserver-xorg-core is updated you'll have to re-symlink
libglx.so.1.0. to libglx.so.  No big deal, but just something to
remember.


Good point. I wondered why dpkg-repack always complained with 
xserver-xorg-core and knew it had to do with the nvidia driver but this 
is the reason. Thanks.


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Re: nvidia driver problem

[steef]

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steef wrote:
  

hi folks,

need some help on the strange behaviour on installing of one of the
newest nvidia-drivers from their website for specific needs.
1. i installed etch from a daily build, 15/2/2007.
2. got the graphics working with the debian_vesa driver
3. downloaded the nvidia-instller from their website (see in the log
further on for the exact version)
4. as root i installed this driver.

so far so good.

but, after restarting my machine, debian complained it could not find
nvidia-ko etc. see /var/log/ further on.

is there somebody out there with some clues? and, what can be done about
this?

(yesterday
the linux-driver page of nvidia-com was not online: this is exceptional)

(for the rest: my 'normal' graphics are runneing fine on the debian "nv"
driver, but I STILL NEED the other not native one.



  

/etc/X11/xorg.conf:




  

Section "Device"
Identifier "Generieke videokaart"
Driver "nv"
BusID "PCI:0:5:0"
EndSection



That reference (the "nv") is the open source driver.  You can replace it
with "nvidia" manually, or better yet, run as root:

dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

Then go through the menus and choose the appropriate driver (and other
settings that are appropriate for your computer).

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hi joe,

i did that  several times. when i still had the 
alien driver 'formally' *installed* in the kernel. i too replaced in 
that configuration manually the native nv-driver "nv" with "nvidia" 
without results.


after having *uninstalled* the alien driver as root:  < nvidia-installer 
--uninstall> i do not get the driver installed again.


should i remove the 'new' xorg-files in xorg.conf (in X11) or what to 
get the d thing installed again???


or, perhaps, i should remove the glx driver (like in earlier times) to 
get the alien driver installed again and get it permanently going by not 
letting nvidia adapt X11/xorg.conf automatically but do it manually??


thank you for your answer,

steef



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look at log

[pinniped]

The log suggests a number of things:

1. Is your compiler the same used to build the kernel? (If not, it's easier to 
build a kernel than to set up an older compiler.)

2. Do you have other modules currently loaded such as the nvidiafb or riva 
drivers?

And then of course as already posted, you need to change the driver line from 
'nv' to 'nvidia' - you also need to comment out the dri and glx lines I think - 
or was it glcore? The NVidia package also comes with a well-hidden readme file 
which has a lot of information in it. (Mostly dealing with how to set up X with 
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Re: look at log

[steef]

pinniped wrote:


The log suggests a number of things:

1. Is your compiler the same used to build the kernel? (If not, it's 
easier to build a kernel than to set up an older compiler.)


yes. the first time with a untainted 2.6.x debian kernel the 
nvidia-driver installs without a problem. the problem: cannot load 
nvidia.ko into the kernel happens after reboot.



2. Do you have other modules currently loaded such as the nvidiafb or 
riva drivers?



no

And then of course as already posted, you need to change the driver 
line from 'nv' to 'nvidia' 
first time i lert the driver itself automatically update xorg.conf. that 
could be a reason


- you also need to comment out the dri and glx lines I think 
yes that is perfectly right. i did not do that uptill now. just because 
of the automatic uodate odofered during installing the nvidia-driver. in 
earlier times i did that by hand (see the readme file on their website)


- or was it glcore? 

try that out too.

The NVidia package also comes with a well-hidden readme file which has 
a lot of information in it. (Mostly dealing with how to set up X with 
certain chips).




that is correct too. i read that file.


thanks a lot!

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Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

[Mike McCarty]

Chris Bannister wrote:

Or the 12 billiard balls where one is lighter/heavier and all you have
is a set of balance scales.

You have to find which one it is plus whether its lighter or heavier in
3 weighings.

I think/hope its 3 :-)


I see how to do it in 4. In fact, I found two ways. I haven't
found a way in 3 (yet).

How about, you have N bags of coins. Each bag has some number
of coins in it, each one has at least N coins. You know that
one of the bags has counterfeit coins in it, and you know that
the counterfeit coins each weigh one gram less than real coins.
You have a scale. How, in one weighing, can you find which
bag has the counterfeit coins?

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Re: nvidia driver problem

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> 
> i did that  several times. when i still had the
> alien driver 'formally' *installed* in the kernel. i too replaced in
> that configuration manually the native nv-driver "nv" with "nvidia"
> without results.

> after having *uninstalled* the alien driver as root:  < nvidia-installer
> --uninstall> i do not get the driver installed again.

> should i remove the 'new' xorg-files in xorg.conf (in X11) or what to
> get the d thing installed again???

> or, perhaps, i should remove the glx driver (like in earlier times) to
> get the alien driver installed again and get it permanently going by not
> letting nvidia adapt X11/xorg.conf automatically but do it manually??

The nvidia-glx driver (from non-free) conflicts with the one from
nvidia.  The installer for the nvidia one should warn you about that, so
 yes, in order to use the alien driver (as you put it) you need to
remove the open source one.

With this computer I need the "nvidia" driver, but others work fine with
the open source "nv" driver. For some reason the "nv" driver takes 40%
of the cpu and leaves my system at a crawl. It depends on the computer
because I've installed the "nv" driver on other computers and had no
problems at all.  For normal day-to-day things, I'd say use the "nv"
driver if it works on your computer because at least it is supported.
However, if you want to use Beryl, or play cutting edge 3d games, then
yes, you need the "nvidia" drivers.


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Inconsistent sync rates on same Etch

[Charles O'Neil]

Gnome logon screen does not sync with the Gnome's vertical refresh rate
configured through Gnome Desktop preference(and is made default for my
computer).
As an alternative I also edited xorg.conf and used the refresh rate as
mentioned
by monitor's manual. Still GDM Logon screen uses something lower than
Gnome's
refresh rate. How do i force the logon screen to use Gnome's vertical
refresh
rate?

P.S. I'm using Debian Etch

Re: any recomendedations of documentation for half a dozen services.

[Karl Goetz]

Clive Menzies wrote:
> On (20/02/07 01:09), Karl Goetz wrote:
>> hi all
>> i'm about to deploy a network which will be using debian servers on its
>> backend (etch, hopefully) and about a hundred gnu/linux desktops.

> 
> I put up some notes with references for some of this stuff:
> http://clivemenzies.co.uk/help/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=33&Itemid=58

This url seems to be timing out for me.

> 
> For cups checkout:
> http://excess.org/docs/linux_windows_printing.html
> 
> Don't use nfs/avahi

dont use nfs because its got security problems? i'm not keen on avahi
myself, but i was asked to be familar with it.

> 
> Apache works pretty much out of the box
> 
> Other than that I tend to check out the README.Debian docs after
> installation

I'll pull these files out of the packages and have a look, thanks.

> 
> Regards
> 
> Clive
> 

thanks for replying,
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Re: any recomendedations of documentation for half a dozen services.

[Karl Goetz]

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:09:32AM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote:
>> hi all
>> i'm about to deploy a network which will be using debian servers on its
>> backend (etch, hopefully) and about a hundred gnu/linux desktops.
>>
>>
>> cifs/smb
> 
> The Samba documentation is adequate.  There is also a Samba HOWTO at
> TLDP.org.
> 

Do you mean the documentation in teh samba packages?

>> nfs
> 
> Uggh.  Do you really need NFS?  If you have kerberos, something like AFS
> might be a better choice.  If you have to have NFS, then it really
> depends on how you plan to use it.

Well at first we dont have to do any filesharing stuff, so i may not end
up using nfs/samba at all. we wont be doing any centralised logins
though, so i dont know if afs is an option(?)

> 
>> dns
> 
> There is this article that I really like:
> http://www.madboa.com/geek/soho-bind/

Thanks, this looks really good.
> 
> If you have never setup BIND before, it is a good place to get started,
> even if you plan for your installation to be lots bigger than the one
> described.
> 
>> cups
> 
> What do you want to do with CUPS?  Do you need print job accounting?  Do
> you need authentication to print?  Lots more infomation is needed to
> give you a good pointer to the right docs.
> 

I need to be able to setup a cups print server for desktop pcs to
connect to. would the shipped docs cover this ok?


> 
>> exim4
> 
> Personally, I would recommend Postfix instead.  If you choose Postfix,
> there is tons of good documentation on the Postfix website.

exim is what i was recommended by friends here.

> 
>> apache
>>   "  ssl
>>
> 
> Apache is one of the best documented open source/free software projects.
> Of course, without knowing how you intend to use it, it is hard to give
> anything more specific than that.

TBH i'm not entirely sure what its for. I'll have to go and ask.
> 
>> Hope you can give me some advice!
>>
> 
> If you can provide some more details, you will get better advice.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Roberto
> 

Thanks for your comments,
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Re: any recomendedations of documentation for half a dozen services.

[Karl Goetz]

Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:09:32AM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote:
>> hi all
>> i'm about to deploy a network which will be using debian servers on its
>> backend (etch, hopefully) and about a hundred gnu/linux desktops.
>>
>> I'll be setting up a bunch of services, and was hoping people could
>> recommend specific help they used to go with the huge quantity of
>> goodness-knows-what-quality doco on the internet.
> 
> Not bad:
> http://aboutdebian.com/network.htm
> 
> 
looks interesting... checking it out now.
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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian

[John Hasler]

Kevin Mark writes:
> You certainly are correct in that the wide paper left sufficient room to
> make notes, etc. I'd use the side for comments and corrections and the
> back for flow charts and such.

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Re: any recomendedations of documentation for half a dozen services.

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:46:34PM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > 
> > The Samba documentation is adequate.  There is also a Samba HOWTO at
> > TLDP.org.
> > 
> 
> Do you mean the documentation in teh samba packages?
> 
I think it is split out to a seperate package, but yes.  That would
work.

> > Uggh.  Do you really need NFS?  If you have kerberos, something like AFS
> > might be a better choice.  If you have to have NFS, then it really
> > depends on how you plan to use it.
> 
> Well at first we dont have to do any filesharing stuff, so i may not end
> up using nfs/samba at all. we wont be doing any centralised logins
> though, so i dont know if afs is an option(?)
> 
Probably not. AFS requires a working Kerberos infrastructure, which
essentially mandates a centralized login scheme.  Though, once you go to
all the trouble, it is very handy.  People can ssh all around without
even using passwords *or* keys, since kerberos tickets are passed
around.

> > 
> > What do you want to do with CUPS?  Do you need print job accounting?  Do
> > you need authentication to print?  Lots more infomation is needed to
> > give you a good pointer to the right docs.
> > 
> 
> I need to be able to setup a cups print server for desktop pcs to
> connect to. would the shipped docs cover this ok?
> 
Yes.

> > Personally, I would recommend Postfix instead.  If you choose Postfix,
> > there is tons of good documentation on the Postfix website.
> 
> exim is what i was recommended by friends here.
> 
OK.  If you have folks to help you out with it.  I think that the
documentation available online is much better and more diverse for
postfix.  But if you have local experts, then you should be fine.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Internet Dial-up Connection Setting

[John Hasler]

Nyizsnyik Ferenc writes:
> It is to be created in /etc.

Yes.

> If you don't have any, create one in /etc/ppp, and a symlink in /etc
> pointing to it.

No.  Don't do that.  Just do 'touch /etc/resolv.conf' as root.

> Basically it consists of two lines - the two nameservers you will use and
> your ISP should have provided. So it will look like:

> nameserver aaa.bbb.ccc.dd1
> nameserver aaa.bbb.ccc.dd2

Yes.

> If you don't have these details, check your network connection settings
> in XP, and use the nameservers from there.

Run pppconfig.  It will install scripts that will take care of this
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Re: any recomendedations of documentation for half a dozen services.

[Clive Menzies]

On (21/02/07 23:39), Karl Goetz wrote:
> > http://clivemenzies.co.uk/help/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=33&Itemid=58
> 
> This url seems to be timing out for me.

Working here OK.  Try  http://clivemenzies.co.uk go to Self Help > File
server

Regards

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Re: check superblock

[Kent West]

pinniped wrote:
> Make sure the RAID device is set to be 'persistent'.  Also check
> backwards through scripts to see where md2 might fail.

pinniped:

I've noticed the last week or two that you've done a tremendous job at
providing answers to a lot of questions. Great work!

However, might I suggest that you provide some context to your answers?
Each post of yours I've seen over this time period has just come out of
the blue, and the only way I would know to what issue(s) you are
responding would be for me to go dig in the mailing list archives. You
would do me, and I suspect others, a favor by including enough of a
snippet of the original post to provide some background to your answers.

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HP a1540n

[Nu-Genoa]

Good Morning,

I am just wondering if anyone has had trouble installing Debian
(sarge) onto a HP a1540n machine. I am looking for other users that
have this system or similiar to it and have Debian ( or any distro of
linux ) installed and fully operational.

The main and first problem I ran into was the onboard ethernet not
being found. According to HP's website it is listed as a 10/100
Marvell 88EC031. Under windows it says it is a nVidia onboard lan card
but I am not sure if it has to do with the chipset and all. It has the
nForce 430/410 drivers installed. When trying to configure the card in
the install it can't be automatically found so someone told me to use
the forcedeth drivers but they require an IRQ and under WinXP, the lan
doesn't have an IRQ. Any ideas? I am thinking about skipping this part
and coming back but I would rather fix it during the install to have
inet to use apt power.

Also, how good is debian in SATA support? I heard it isn't great and
that I might run into trouble there as well.

Thank you!


r/s
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Re: HP a1540n

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Nu-Genoa wrote:
> Good Morning,
> 
> I am just wondering if anyone has had trouble installing Debian
> (sarge) onto a HP a1540n machine. I am looking for other users that
> have this system or similiar to it and have Debian ( or any distro of
> linux ) installed and fully operational.
> 
> The main and first problem I ran into was the onboard ethernet not
> being found. According to HP's website it is listed as a 10/100
> Marvell 88EC031. Under windows it says it is a nVidia onboard lan card
> but I am not sure if it has to do with the chipset and all. It has the
> nForce 430/410 drivers installed. When trying to configure the card in
> the install it can't be automatically found so someone told me to use
> the forcedeth drivers but they require an IRQ and under WinXP, the lan
> doesn't have an IRQ. Any ideas? I am thinking about skipping this part
> and coming back but I would rather fix it during the install to have
> inet to use apt power.
> 
> Also, how good is debian in SATA support? I heard it isn't great and
> that I might run into trouble there as well. 

Christopher,

I can't answer your question about the network card, but I can tell you
that Debian (etch and I assume sarge) has no trouble with SATA.  It's
treated as a SCSI drive, so instead of being hda, it's sda, but other
than that, it works the same.

Joe

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Re: Second NIC won't play

[Celejar]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:18:41 +
Hans du Plooy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 17:23 +, Hans du Plooy wrote:
> > I have to identical Intel 100mbit network cards in my workstation.  Just
> > one was plugged in and picked up DHCP when I installed, and configured
> > itself accordingly.   I'm not trying to make the second one talk via a
> > crossover cable to my notebook.  But I cannot get the interface up.
> > 
> > # ifconfig eth1 up
> > eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
> 
> Ok, this is weird.  Out of sheer frustration and boredom I did modprobe
> eepro100 - and it worked!   Weird because the cards are identical...

Just a wild guess, but I believe that some drivers can only pick up one
card if they are built into the kernel, while if they are built as
modules they can pick up multiple cards. Is the Intel driver built into
your kernel in addition to being built as a module?

Celejar


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Re: Install Debian testing distribution

[Celejar]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:47:06 -0800
"Michael M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> FreeBSD uses UFS (or UFS+ or UFS2, something like that) by default and
> unfortunately there is no support for reading from or writing to that
> file-system from Windows or Debian.  You will be able to access your
> NTFS (Windows) and ext3 (Debian) partitions from FreeBSD, at least to
> read from them if not to write to them, but unless things have changed,
> your UFS (FreeBSD) partitions will not be accessible from either Windows
> or Debian.

>From the my kernel docs (linux-source-2.6.18/fs/Kconfig):

config UFS_FS
tristate "UFS file system support (read only)"
help
  BSD and derivate versions of Unix (such as SunOS, FreeBSD, NetBSD,
  OpenBSD and NeXTstep) use a file system called UFS. Some System V
  Unixes can create and mount hard disk partitions and diskettes using
  this file system as well. Saying Y here will allow you to read from
  these partitions; if you also want to write to them, say Y to the
  experimental "UFS file system write support", below. Please read the
  file  for more information.

  The recently released UFS2 variant (used in FreeBSD 5.x) is
  READ-ONLY supported.

[snip]

config UFS_FS_WRITE
bool "UFS file system write support (DANGEROUS)"
depends on UFS_FS && EXPERIMENTAL
help
  Say Y here if you want to try writing to UFS partitions. This is
  experimental, so you should back up your UFS partitions beforehand.

Celejar


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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[Celejar]

On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:36:42 +0100 (CET)
"Mirko Scurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> Some people are still making money utilizing old pc-s. Some car testing
> appliances are equipped with only serial connector which many current
> notebooks are missing.

They make serial to USB converter cables / chips. There's apparently
some linux support; see
linux-source-xxx/Documentation/usb/usb-serial.txt. Anyone with
real-world experience?

Celejar


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Re: laptop network routing

[Celejar]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:04:34 +0100
Ivan Glushkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am looking for an application/script, which will do internal routing
> for my laptop, and will dynamically choose the better network interface
> to use. I.e., when I disconnect my NIC, it will continue my ongoing ssh
> session over wireless, and vice versa, if the ping through the LAN would
> be faster.. Any ideas?

Look at the laptop-net and laptop-netconf packages.

Celejar


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Re: The success of an Etch

[Celejar]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:31:25 -0800
"Michael M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 18:56 +0100, Mikael Backman wrote:
> 
> > Is there any way to get this CD-netinstaller onto a DVD? My computer
> > boots DVDs only...
> > 
> 
> It's possible to boot from the .iso on your hard disk.
> 
> See: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apas02.html
> (Section A.2.5. Booting from hard disc)

Depending on your laptop's BIOS, you may be able to boot from a USB
memory stick (also covered in the installer manual). They're cheap, and
it worked perfectly for me (Acer AS3690 laptop).

Celejar


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Re: mixmaster mails sent, but not received by recipient

[Celejar]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:54:17 +0100
Niels Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am using debian etch (testing) and mixmaster 3.0b2-3
> 
> When sending mails with mixmaster, the mails never reach their destination 
> mail address.
> 
> I first run mixmaster-update --verbose, and then mixmaster.
> 
> Everything looks perfect, and the mails seem to be sent.
> 
> I have even tried sending from debian sarge, but same result.
> 
> Any clues?  :-)

It has been working for me, although the mails sometimes take a while
to arrive. Are you seeing a sufficiently high reliability on your
chains? Also, forgive me for asking, but are you flushing the queue
(sending the mail just inserts it into the queue) ?

Celejar


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Re: OT processes and cpu use

[Celejar]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:47:21 GMT
Tyler Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> Thanks for the suggestion. As I'm working with one machine I do
> eliminate all processes I don't need, but I keep X, fluxbox, and a
> terminal or two open so I can work on my thesis in emacs while I'm
> waiting for paup to run. I imagine if I reconfig my startup stuff I
> could login without X, start running paup, then start X while I'm
> working, and kill X when I'm done, leaving paup undisturbed. I'll take
> a look at this. Thanks!

Even if you start paup when you are already in X, you can start it from
within GNU screen, which will allow you to detach it from the console
and leave it running (and then to kill X), and then to reattach it
later.

Celejar


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Re: [OT] Re: help with debian

[Celejar]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:19:56 +0200
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:55:26 -0600
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
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> > On 02/19/07 13:48, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:44:10 -0600
> > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> >  (It's been a while since I used Sylpheed, but I think it has a
> >  Reply To List option.
> > >>> It has three buttons:
> > >>>
> > >>> o Reply: Reply-to-list for lists or simple reply for normal mail.
> > >>>   If a Reply-To: is set then it gets added to Cc:. This is not
> > >>>   configurable, so I would have to delete the address by hand.
> > >>>
> > >>> o All: Reply to all
> > >>>
> > >>> o Sender: Reply only to sender (listmail or not)
> > >> Bummer.  You need a better MUA.
> > > 
> > > Please enlighten me.
> > 
> > Well, there's mutt which is TUI.  GNOME Evolution has Reply To List,
> > and Icedove has an extension which adds Reply To List.  That's what
> > I use.
> 
> As I said before, the Reply button acts as Reply-to-list in case of a
> mailing list. No problem here. The thing I'm not sure of is what is
> the correct thing to do if the poster has set a Reply-To: header.

And besides, there's the menu item 'Message / Reply to / mailing list',
which is hotkeyed by default to Ctrl-l, and can be changed by editing
~/sylpheed[-2.0]/menurc, or by the neat gtk-can-change-accels option in
~/.gtkrc[-2.0], followed by customizing the accels from within sylpheed
itself (see the sylpheed README.gz). A well designed GUI app such as
sylpheed has / can have many of the shortcuts of a TUI.

Celejar


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The Planet / Debian Install

[SM]

I just ordered some new servers at The Planet (formally EV1) ... and
asked about having Debian installed on my servers.  They are saying
that Debian is unsupported due to the following reason:

"The latest release of Debian is out of date and doesn't work well
with newer servers."

Being new to Debian I have no clue ... but I'm wondering if anyone
knows of an innate incompatability between Debian a server with the
following description:

1   Dell \ Dual socket dempsy/woodcrest/cloverton \ PowerEdge
1900/2900
2   Intel \ 2.0 GHz 1333FSB - Woodcrest \ Xeon 5130 (Dual Core)
1   Unknown \ Onboard \ SATA
2   Western Digital \ 250GB:SATA2:7200RPM \ WD2500JS

If I attempt to install Debian myself will I have trouble with this
setup?  Their server "Welcome" email indicated that ...

"Your server has been equipped with a dual IPMI/Network Interface
Card. This interface requires that one of the additional public IP
addresses from this subnet be bound to it. This ip will not be
pingable, and will only respond to IPMI traffic. The IPMI 1.5
interface will allow Orbit to interact with your server and provide
improved remote reporting  and functionality."

So perhaps this is the real reason they don't support Debian?  Does
Debian support the IPMI 1.5 interface?  Perhaps Debian doesn't
interface with this dual IPMI/NIC ?

Any insight would be appreciated.  I thought I would ask the real
Debian experts before I respond to The Planet ... I've heard only good
reviews on Debian.  I would like to set up a few boxes for use as a
UltraMonkey load balancer configuration with LVS and Heartbeat.  RHEL4
doesn't appear to have good support for the other software I need
(PHP5).  I figured Debian would make a great basis for supporting both
LVS, Apache and PHP operations.

Thanks!
Stephen


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:34:36PM +, Clive Menzies wrote:

The only reason you need to reboot is when the kernel is updated.
Rebooting after a general upgrade will make no difference.


Nonsense.  It will kill your uptime---the true measure of one's
geekiness :-)



int main( int argc, char **argv, char **envp )
{

QDateTime my_birth = QDateTime(QDate(1939,3,11),QTime(16,20));
QDateTime now = QDateTime::currentDateTime();
printf("Uptime:%d days\n",my_birth.daysTo(now));

}

Uptime:24819 days

Wow. Bet not many of you geeks beat that! 8-)

Hugo


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Re: nvidia driver problem

[steef]

Joe Hart wrote:

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steef wrote:
  

i did that  several times. when i still had the
alien driver 'formally' *installed* in the kernel. i too replaced in
that configuration manually the native nv-driver "nv" with "nvidia"
without results.



  

after having *uninstalled* the alien driver as root:  < nvidia-installer
--uninstall> i do not get the driver installed again.



  

should i remove the 'new' xorg-files in xorg.conf (in X11) or what to
get the d thing installed again???



  

or, perhaps, i should remove the glx driver (like in earlier times) to
get the alien driver installed again and get it permanently going by not
letting nvidia adapt X11/xorg.conf automatically but do it manually??



The nvidia-glx driver (from non-free) conflicts with the one from
nvidia.  The installer for the nvidia one should warn you about that, so
 yes, in order to use the alien driver (as you put it) you need to
remove the open source one.

With this computer I need the "nvidia" driver, but others work fine with
the open source "nv" driver. For some reason the "nv" driver takes 40%
of the cpu and leaves my system at a crawl. It depends on the computer
because I've installed the "nv" driver on other computers and had no
problems at all.  For normal day-to-day things, I'd say use the "nv"
driver if it works on your computer because at least it is supported.
However, if you want to use Beryl, or play cutting edge 3d games, then
yes, you need the "nvidia" drivers.


Joe

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thanks joe. keep using nv. (installed a new 2.6.18 kernel with nvidiafb: 
seems all the 2.6.18 kernels have that trait)
LAST QUESTION: what package do i need to measure cpu-usage?  (valgrind 
maybe??)


thanks,

steef


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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[hendrik]

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 10:38:24AM +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> On 20.02.07 23:40, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> 
> Yes. But in some cases (of motherboards) you'll have to turn off that disk
> in the BIOS setup. 

I once had a BIOS that insisted on autodetecting each of my IDE drives 
before it asked me what its status should be.  I couldn't get around to 
tell it to ignore a disk withiut it crashing first.

--hendrik


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measuring CPU usage (was Re: nvidia driver problem)

[Jon Dowland]

steef wrote:
LAST QUESTION: what package do i need to measure cpu-usage?  (valgrind 
maybe??)
I don't think valgrind is what you're after. "top" is a console program 
that does what you want (and is a required package in Debian), or 
there's gnome-system-manager (in package of the same name), an X tool 
that does much the same job.



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Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

[Anthony Campbell]

On 21 Feb 2007, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> >Or the 12 billiard balls where one is lighter/heavier and all you have
> >is a set of balance scales.
> >
> >You have to find which one it is plus whether its lighter or heavier in
> >3 weighings.
> >
> >I think/hope its 3 :-)
> 
> I see how to do it in 4. In fact, I found two ways. I haven't
> found a way in 3 (yet).
> 
> How about, you have N bags of coins. Each bag has some number
> of coins in it, each one has at least N coins. You know that
> one of the bags has counterfeit coins in it, and you know that
> the counterfeit coins each weigh one gram less than real coins.
> You have a scale. How, in one weighing, can you find which
> bag has the counterfeit coins?
> 
> Mike

Hint: think about swapping some of the coins around.

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Re: measuring CPU usage (was Re: nvidia driver problem)

[steef]

Jon Dowland wrote:

steef wrote:
LAST QUESTION: what package do i need to measure cpu-usage?  
(valgrind maybe??)
I don't think valgrind is what you're after. "top" is a console 
program that does what you want (and is a required package in Debian), 
or there's gnome-system-manager (in package of the same name), an X 
tool that does much the same job.




thanks jon,

i 'll try them both,

regards,

steef


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Re: measuring CPU usage (was Re: nvidia driver problem)

[steef]

Jon Dowland wrote:

steef wrote:
LAST QUESTION: what package do i need to measure cpu-usage?  
(valgrind maybe??)
I don't think valgrind is what you're after. "top" is a console 
program that does what you want (and is a required package in Debian), 
or there's gnome-system-manager (in package of the same name), an X 
tool that does much the same job.



top  is certainly what i am looking for! nv gives on my machine no 
troubles with cpu-usage. the maximum is at normal use (playing my 
beloved pink-floyd) roundabout 3-6 percent.


thanks again,

steef


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Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove

[Daniel B.]

Dave Sherohman wrote:

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 02:30:48PM -0500, Daniel B. wrote:

Dave Sherohman wrote:

On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:36:55PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
I was complaining solely about the use of "compact" to mean "delete".

Are you confusing the logical level (what the user almost always deals
with) with the physical level?


I would instead say that the Netscape/IceDove/Mozilla/SeaMonkey developers
are forcing the end user to deal with the details of the physical layer
rather than allowing users to exist, as they normally do, in the logical
realm.


Yes, that seems true.

Of course, sometimes users have to deal with the physical layer.  I
guess the question is how much (how much is reasonable).

If you delete files from a disk (past any temporary Trash folder as on
Windows), it's true that you don't have to deal with really deleting
the files in the sense of making the space available for other files,
but you _do_ have to deal with really erasing the data (overwriting the
sectors) if you want to make sure the data is really gone.

The question in the current case is probably whether the user should
control when Seamonkey takes the time to compact folder since the
physical-layer aspect of the time it takes to re-write the files
(presumably) can't be hidden from the user (within the constraint of
using a standard mail-file format and reducing risk of corruption
from crashes or power failures).




At the logical level, the messages are already deleted (from the folder).
There is no way to get them back (from th[e] folder from which they're
deleted) going through the tool (Seamonkey).


If the tool does not provide a means to undelete messages, then I also
find the decision to not make permanent deletion (either when the user
changes folders or exits the program; it doesn't need to be immediate
for reasons which have been repeatedly discussed in this thread already)
a default action to be questionable at best.  If you can't undelete it,
then why keep it around?


It might be part of the physical layer that the user does have to deal
with: reliability.

It's not so much that deleted messages _are_ explicitly _kept_ around;
it's that they are _not_ _deleted_ right away.  That, of course, is
because trying to delete a message right away by re-arranging the file
(given the current file format, or course) would increase the risk of a
corrupted file in case of crash or power failure during the re-arranging
(and because immediately copying all non-deleted messages to a new file
when a message is deleted would be too slow).

But yes, since (non-hacker) users can't recover messages deleted from
a folder, it would be good if users didn't have to deal with it.

However, given the time it takes to compact a large folder, I don't
know if automatically compacting on, say, exit would be good.


Maybe Seamonkey/etc. should default to compacting on exit or some other
reasonable time, but display a "why is Seamonkey compacting" message or
button that explains what it is doing and points the user toward the
appropriate settings.



...>

But that's the same as deleting a file:  Deleting a file tells the file
system to forget about remembering the data, but it doesn't usually
overwrite the data, so it or pieces of it are still on the disk unless
you perform some other operation to actually remove (overwrite) it.


Not really a very good analogy, as the file system will reuse the disk
space without requiring any additional action ('compact', 'purge',
'expunge', whatever) after the file has been deleted.


How is it not a perfect analogy?  I didn't talk about the physical aspect
of re-using the space, which the file system _does_ handle for the user;
I talked about the physical aspect of making sure your data was erased,
which users have to be aware of (whether or not they should have to be).


Daniel









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Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove - monolithic files not always bad

[Daniel B.]

Steve Lamb wrote:
...


And before we get into this again I only have to ask one question.  If a
single file is such a bad thing why is it MySQL (and other) databases don't
store records per file but, instead, per table?  You'd think the corruption
problem would be just as bad for them.  And yet companies around the world
routinely store immense amount of data in monolithic files without much
concern.  Far more than the piddly amount of mail any individual on here would
worry about.


Whether a single file is bad (or requires copying to a new file to reliably
make changes) all depends on the file format.

Making a logical change to the data involves making a set of one or more
physical changes to the file.

If making the first changes in the set and "forgetting" to make the rest
of the changes (e.g., in case of a power failure) leaves the file
corrupted and unrecoverable, then it's not a good format for making
incremental changes without copying to a new file for reliability.  The
mbox format that Seamonkey uses is like that.

However, if making the first part of the changes without making the
second part leaves the file in a state such that things are recoverable
(e.g., either the partial change is backed out or the partial change is
completed), then you can make incremental changes without needing to
copy to a new file for reliability.




Daniel



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Re: Does Tracker packages run in Sarge or Etch?

[Tshepang Lekhonkhobe]

On 2/18/07, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone ever tried installing Tracker on Sarge? If so, is it a
smooth install or does one has to backport some stuff, or does one
need to install loads of stuff from Etch or Sid.

Tracker is an desktop indexer (like Beagle), among other things. It
would be nice if would try it out (visit www.tracker-project.org and
proceed to the "Getting Started" section). I'd also like to know if it
runs smooth on Etch (installation available are on the website).

I, OTOH, am running svn version since I'm watching development closely.

FYI, It should be included in Sid soon after Etch's released since it
is still in http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html.


It's recently been accepted in Sid, so if you could try it out...


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Re: Tab-completion for file URLs in Firefox?

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Eric Cooper wrote:

> I recently switched from Galeon to Firefox^W Iceweasel.
> 
> One thing I miss is the ability to navigate to a local file using
> tab-completion, the same way you do in bash.  For example, if I type
> "file:///u" in the URL bar and then hit tab, Galeon expands this to
> "file:///usr/", and waits for me to type a little more.  But in
> Firefox, it expands to whatever previous URLs in my browsing history
> match that prefix, which isn't what I want.
> 
> Does anyone know if there's a configuration variable or extension to
> do what I want?  Please CC me since I'm not subscribed to the list.
> 

Konqueror is the master when it comes to bells and whistles like this. It
does this even better. It offers you a list of possible completions and you
can just select it with your arrow key or continue typing the filename. It
does not stop there. It allows you to complete filenames on network as well
using sftp:// etc.,

raju

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Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove

[Daniel B.]

Steve Lamb wrote:

Dave Sherohman wrote:

OK, one more time:  Delete by default does not have to mean delete
*immediately* by default.  Look at the underlined text above.  I already
explicitly stated that I didn't mean immediate deletion and that delete-
on-folder-change or delete-on-exit are probably better,


Uh, not in my mind.  Maybe it stems from my years in the ISP business but
generally users only want things deleted when they say they want it deleted.
That doesn't mean "When they press the delete key" or even "After pressing the
delete key and changing folders" or "after pressing the delete key and exiting
the program."  After they say, in its most conservative setting, is after they
have configured the client to delete the way they want.

And before you or anyone else jumps up with more of your preferences and
ignorance about the reality of computers let me remind you of one simple fact.

Windows and OSX, by default, require the user to "empty the trash".  ...
... until the end user twiddles
the knob they want to keep as much as possible because the expected behavior
is that the user has to tell the computer to "delete it, really, and this time
I mean it!"

This is no different.


Actually, it is.

We're not talking about Seamonkey's Trash folder to which tentatively
deleted messages are moved and from which users can recover or really
delete those tentatively deleted messages, working like Windows' and
OS X's trash folders that you you mention.

We're talking about physically deleting deleted copies of messages.
(When you logically tentatively delete a message from the Inbox
folder and Seamonkey logically moves it to the Trash folder, there's
still a physical copy of the data in the file that implements the Inbox
folder.  That physical copy is never available to the user through the
tool.)

Surely you're not ignorant of that reality.

Daniel



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Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove

[Daniel B.]

Freddy Freeloader wrote:
...
... Any message 
that has been deleted in Icedove/Thunderbird/SeaMonkey is recoverable, 
at least up until the time the folder is compacted or the Trash folder 
is emptied, from the Trash folder.  After that happens then, no, the 
message is not recoverable.   What is so odd about this?  I have yet to 
see a graphical email client that doesn't act pretty much the same way.


You might need to distinguish between messages that are recoverable
by non-hacker users (via the tool) vs. messages that are recoverable
if you know how to clear the appropriate X-Mozilla-Status bit.


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Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

[Dave Sherohman]

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 06:24:45AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> How about, you have N bags of coins. Each bag has some number
> of coins in it, each one has at least N coins. You know that
> one of the bags has counterfeit coins in it, and you know that
> the counterfeit coins each weigh one gram less than real coins.
> You have a scale. How, in one weighing, can you find which
> bag has the counterfeit coins?

Do I have to do it by weight?  Some years back, I used to be able to
have a friend throw a handful of coins (well, a small handful - I
don't think I ever did more than 6 or 7 at a time) at a hard surface and
identify what the coins were by the sound they made.  Give me a little
time to practice and I could probably identify the counterfeit coins as
not sounding right.

(OK, yeah, I know...  This is supposed to be a logic puzzle, not a
lateral-thinking puzzle.)

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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-16 00:21:38, schrieb Siju George:
> Hi,
> 
> Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 
> 600GB?
> I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64.
> Hope there are no issues with this setup. please let me know if i
> should be careful in any area.
> Also if a better file system suits for such large partitions :-)

I run a PostgreSQL Database (currently arround 560 GByte)
on a Partition of 1 TByte using ext3 without any problems.

I can not recommend ReiserFS and with XFS I have no experience.
I am looking forward to the new "ext4" which could give a
performance plus for databases

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Re: to get the kerntypes file

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-12 09:30:52, schrieb Eric Yin:
> I need to use LKCD, so I need the kerntypes file. The Debain I used is 
> 2.6.8-2-686-smp which i installed 1 years ago(with the 2 DVDs).
> when i installed the LKCD from the DVD, it tell me to install 
> kernel-package to get the kerntypes file. I installed the 
> kernel-package, but do not know how to compile to get the kerntypes. 
> All the installation are from that 2 Debian DVDs by Synaptic Package 
> Manager.

What is "LKCD" and what are "kerntypes"?

Never heared from thos two in the last 8 years.

Since you are talking about 2 DVD and Linux 2.6.8, I assum you are using
Sarge and I have searched the mirror for LKCD...  nothing found.

So we need a little bit more infos to help you.

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Re: Using courier-imap (was Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove)

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-14 16:45:42, schrieb Chris Bannister:
> That would be great! Would this be ok:
> # Mailboxes which get new mail.
> mailboxes `echo $HOME/.Maildir/*`

No it would not since you have to setup:

set folder=imaps://localhost

mailboxes =INBOX \
=INBOX.IN-debian-user \
...

You need to creatre a small BASH/Perl/Python/Whatelse-Script
to generate the list.

And then, poll the mailboxes under IMAP take 100 times longer
then polling a Maildir directly local.

> When mail arrives into one of the mailboxes i.e. will mutt say "New mail
> in $HOME/.Maildir/IN-debian-user" then if you press c then return will
> mutt 'open' $HOME/.Maildir/IN-debian-user and the new message is flagged
> as new just as it does now?

Yes, but you should not use more then 50 "mailboxes" to poll.
Oterwise you can give you a shoot while mutt is checking the Mailboxes for
new messages.

I have 5800 Mailfolder and must check 180 of them permanently...
Now I run 6 instances of mutt parallel with different "mailboxes" settings.

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Re: Using courier-imap (was Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove)

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-17 03:29:31, schrieb Chris Bannister:
> > Mutt can directly read Maildir folders?  (I don't see why it
> > shouldn't, but it just never occurred to me.)
> 
> set mbox_type=Maildir

This is only for writing!

Mutt can read mbox, Maildir and MH without changes by default.

> > Procmail?  You probably like Perl, too.
> 
> Well, umm, there's heaps of recipes out there ...

:-)

> local delivery? say from logcheck. mutt depends on an MTA, which
> delivers to /var/spool/mail/ but set spoolfile=imap://haggis/INBOX
> ...  ... ah! muttprofile? ... I think I *need* a map.

:-S

> > >> set folder=imap://haggis/INBOX. set move=no set copy=yes set
> > >> record=imap://haggis/INBOX/Sent
 ^
On courier it should be:   

set folder=imap://haggis
set record="+Sent"
set postpone="+Drafts"
mailboxes =INBOX =IN-debian-looser
 
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Re: Using courier-imap (was Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove)

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-16 12:35:44, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:
> That is more of a policy issue than a technical limitation.  I think it
> has more to do with Debian trying to adhere closely to the traditional
> Unix philosophy.

This is WHY I love Debian!

...and Debian should never go away from the philosophy!

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Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-14 22:32:43, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:
> Unless you are the sort of person who keeps 20,000 messages in a folder
> or mailbox.  I have seen such a thing.

Where is the problem?

My INBOX.ML_debian.user/ has arround 18 Messages and my
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ environement 37.

OH, currently I am using Courier-Imap but will switch to
"tdcserver" if it run stable...  (have to code many things and
is based on courier but use PostgreSQL instead of Maildir)

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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-14 10:44:48, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:
> That depends on how you define usable.  Word might handle a 25 page
> document.  The experience of many of my friends has been that big
> documents (25 pages is not big) are a real pain Word.  One friend of
> mine did his thesis (350-400 pages) in Word.  Once he got past 100 or
> 150 pages, he was constantly fighting with it.  The TOC would get messed
> up, it would screw up formatting and sectioning and lots of other
> issues.

Weird, it seems, your friend does not know HOW to use Word!

I have written documentations of several 100 pages since Winword 6.0
under Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and never had problems including
TOCs, indexes and footnotes and other references...

It seems, they are not realy much peoples WHO KNOW, HOW TO USE WORD.

Now I use OOo 2 or LaTeX (only basicly) but the later is a Killer for
Winsuck-Switchers.

> Now that I am doing work at a place where Word is the only option for
> word processing, I realize just how much I hate working with it.  Even
> things that should be trivial are ridiculously complicated.  It asks me
> things that it should not need to ask me.  It doesn't ask me things that
> it should.  If I copy or cut for the second time in a document, it
> completely changes the layout of the screen!  The dynamic menus are a

Cuted out the NEWLINE at the end?
This where Word store its Informations about the previously paragraph.

:-)

> royal pain since I *always* have to click on the stupid little icon at
> the bottom of each menu to get to see all the options.

???

> See, even with IT people to keep the Windows machine working, it is
> still a stress on me, since Windows violates so many principles of
> usability, user interfaces and how things should work, it just makes me
> sick.  I mean, people often complain about the lack of uniformity in GUI
> programs targetted at Linux.  Windows is just as bad, but people choose
> to overlook it for some reason or another.  Then there is the fact that
> Windows does not include any of the following in a base install:
> 
>  * a decent shell
>  * ssh/sftp client
>  * a decent scripting language

Do Klicki-Bunti-User need such CRAP noone understand?  :-)

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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-16 09:30:36, schrieb Greg Folkert:
> Not permanently and not in your normal.dot. At least *I* could never

Hmmm, in the german and french versions it CAN be switched off.
Maybe you have a special version of the DHS which correct US-
American if they do not follow the party line.  :-))

> find a way. Sure it would last a few days/weeks... but sure enough
> *SOMETHING* would revert it back to old conventions. Same thing with
> those stupid "dynamic menus" based on feature usage.

Hey write a patch and send it Big-Bill. Oops!

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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-14 11:33:04, schrieb Greg Folkert:
> Install Cygwin, its the only way to semi-fix it.

???

"bash.exe", "perl.exe" and "python.exe" can run definitivly in a
DOS-Box since I use it for DJGPP . 

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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-15 20:14:07, schrieb John Hasler:
> Ron Johnson writes:
> > Remember when Win95 ran well with 16MB RAM? 
> 
> Never ran Win95, but I remember when System III ran great in 1MB (and ran
> ok in 256KB).

Hmmm I remember in Solaris 2 running with 16 MByte I think
Do not know anymore but was it on a SS1 with a 10 MHz CPU?

My SS10/512 has two 40MHz Killer-CPU's with eight 64 MByte
Memory Modules I think.

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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-15 21:19:26, schrieb Mike McCarty:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> >So, what GUI do you use?
> 
> Eh? With MSDOS? No gooey stuff in there!

Maybe SEAL?
But there are several other DOS-Desktops including my own one
which has/had a scientific background and was coded using DJGPP.

> >>If you want to remember when, I developed serious software
> >>on a machine with 64 KB (yes, KILO bytes) of RAM+ROM total,

 Sinclair ZX81 => Zylog Z80/Z8000
and then Later the Zylog Z8400 (16 bit)

> >>I created a multi-tasking RTOS running 16 apps at the same
> >>time for a security monitoring system on that machine. The
> >>processor was an Intel 8085.
> >How did you keep them from stepping on each other?  You wrote the
> >apps in asm?
> 
> The whole shebang was assembler. I used MAC, and then RMAC when
> things got too big to make a single assembly file reasonable.
> I used CP/M for development, but when it was all running, of
> course, it was just itself. The apps didn't step on each other,
> because they didn't access memory which didn't belong to them.

How do you have coded this on a 8085?
Was it not a 8080/8086 and they are 8 Bit

I had an Schneider/Amstrad PC1512 (8086) with an gigantic
40 MByte Hardrive which I had to partion in two since for
one partition the Disk was TOO BIG.  :-)

I was only able to get preemptiv multitasking...
...and controlled a Turning-Lathe.

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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-16 09:57:22, schrieb Ron Johnson:
> > I have 16MB of RAM because that's the minimum configuration
> > for that machine when I bought it. And, actually, I have
> > used some of the extended RAM on occasion, with a disassembler
> > (Sourcer) I used to run. I haven't run that in a long time,
> > though.
> 
> Why not install Linux and dosemu?

Since you need X for this crap?

Argh!!!

I like to see a DOS-Emulator like a shell in the console and
no X-Driven things which need at least 64 MByte of memory to
drive a program which consumes 300 kByte.

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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-16 16:22:18, schrieb Mike McCarty:
> Adding a few hundred megabytes of disc is not appealing to me,
> especially since it can't be done. The smallest disc these
> days is around 100 Gig. I wonder why it won't run on a 386?

Even if Linux support ist, the HDD-Controlers on 386 can handel
only 540MByte (real hardware limitation) and if you use Linux up
to 8400 MByte.

On 486 computer you can have the chance, to get 8400 MByte and
in some case 16 or 32 GByte.

...long time ago!

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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-16 21:47:05, schrieb Ron Johnson:
> > ..you wanna google "2GB limit" "8.4GB limit", "137GB limit", those 
> > old 386 bioses covered those wee old disks waaay back then.  
> 
> I remember the 8.4GB & 137GB limits but not the 2GB limit.  Must
> have been too poor...

Maybe 540 MByte Limit from the 386 Machines

Since at this thime nobody could imagine, that will will
have someday harddisks which are 2000 time bigger!

Note: Last week I have ordered four of the first 1 TByte
  Hitachi HardDisks for my 3w9500 as Backup-Server.

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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-17 22:23:25, schrieb Chris Bannister:
> And I suppose when Vista has been out for a while (people wont have any
> choice when they buy a new machine, unless they buy one without an OS)
> 256M or even 512M will be considered old and we'll see questions like
> "Will KDE run in 512M?"

ROTFL!!!

...but, ift the KED-Guys continue like this wit wont!

This WHY is use Fvwm.

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Re: Debian on ancient machines

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-16 03:55:36, schrieb pinniped:
> Two popular ones I know of are:
> DSL  (damn small linux) which can be installed from a CD - in fact the 
> entire *.iso image is 

But he can run also  to stay with Debian.

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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-17 11:51:56, schrieb Ron Johnson:
> > Still, I have a old Celeron 600mhz with 16MB acting as a server running
> 
> C600 with only 16MB???

I have an Athlon XP2400+ running with a PC2700/333 32 MByte Module

All it must do is to track Radar-Signals and this
from TDDOS32 running from a 16 MByte CF-Card.

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Re: What happened to xen images for k7?

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-16 21:07:26, schrieb Paul Dwerryhouse:
> 
> In Debian unstable, there previously was a Xen image package for AMD K7:
> 
> linux-image-2.6.18-3-xen-k7
> 
> Now that 2.6.18-4 has come out, it has disappeared, and all that is left
> is linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686, which crashes on my AMD machine.

Here the same since I had the k7 packages on my 3 DVD's and
after an online upgrade of dom0 I have no machine anymore.

> Anyone know why the k7 images have been dropped?

It seems they are droped.

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Re: multicore gizmos

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-02-16 18:51:25, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:
> Granted, the cooling issues would be interesting.

There are special CPU's with 64bit running with 300 MHz
and have not more then 35°C...  Space-Technologie!

Maybe running a 256Bit 256-Core with 256-Threads/Core CPU on 100 MHz.

:-)

Greetings from
Michelle
Dreaming of a Quanten-Computer
Hey, my 39 Birthday is on 8 Mai...

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Re: Installing TeX/LaTeX in Sarge

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Russel,

Am 2007-02-17 10:57:36, schrieb Russell L. Harris:
> If you install the Debian TeXLive package, you should find that LaTeX
> works as it formerly did in TeTeX.  I am running TeTeX under Etch on
> one i386 machine, and TeXLive under Etch on another i386 machine, and
> I have not seen any difference in behaviour or performance.

I use TeTeX since some years but only basicly with small stuff...

Now I have to build a collection of three editons (de, en, fr) of
Education-Books of each 2500 Pages which will be splitted into 11
volumes.

It is all about Debian GNU/Linux.

I have already encountered the TeXLive stuff and have a question:

I do not know, wheter TeX is the right way to go, but I need at the end
the Books as Hard-Copies, PDF's and HTML (maybe other fromats too).

1)  Do you recommend to use TeXLive or should I use another Format
like SGML or XML as recommended from some other peoples?

2)  Since I know only some basics, are there documentations in PDF
HOW-TO-WRITE-THE-DOC?

3)  Can you recommend Books?
(I live in Strasbourg but prefer to buy books in Germany since
they are cheaper there and i can get english versions if german
ones are not suitable)

Oops, MY question have gotten to babies...  :-)

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
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Re: [Debian-User] Xen

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Unknown Admin,

Am 2007-02-17 00:07:47, schrieb Admin:

> BTW if anyone (I've seen a few Xen emails like the one where the AMD 
> package disappeared only to be replaced by a 686 based Xen package that 
> crashed)  would like to set up a Debian Xen thread maybe we could help 
> one another as it seems that this virtualization thing does not interest 
> most people.  But I think it's the future for computing.
> 
> Thanks to all and SNIP away at what you don't want and comment on what 
> you do want -- I welcome the dialog.

I run currently a Development-Workstation where I need to run Debian
(Unstable, Testing, Stable and Oldstable), (K)Ubunto, Embedian, Redhat,
Novel/SuSE and Mandrake/Mandrive in parallel.

For this I use chroots which are startet directly from an INIT script.

I like to drop the Chroot stuff and want to switch to Xen but encountered
massive errors and bugs...

I was using an Amd Athlon XP 3000+ using Xen-k7 (Installed form DVD).
Then after an Online-Upgrade it was gone and since then I have no
Machine anymore.  Installing chroots again to get my Machine working
took me over one week...  (I run 8 X-Server parallel)

Now, my CPU is gone (Socket A and I do not find a Used one from a
trustfull source) I replaced the mainboard with an GA686LX and a P2/333
with 512 MB of memory and Xen worked again...

But running 8 X-Server in Parallel is not realy recommended on this
machine.  :-)

I have tried to compile my own Xen-Kernel but failed...

Is there a Step-by-Step docu/howto HOW to build your OWN Xen-Kernel
on a Debian-System?

And of curse, which packages must I install t get this Pig running with
a K7?

OT-Question:

Is there someone who want to sponsor (or give up an unused) a AMD
Athlon XP with at least 2400MHz (and mybe some PC2700 512MByte or
1 GByte memories) for Development?  I am in Strasbourg/France.
Address and Telephone is in the signature.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
Michelle Konzack
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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

[Michael M.]

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I'm serious about the utility of big line printers.  The
> > large print and *wide*, lined paper made it easy to step thru your
> > program, making notes, side calculations, etc.  Think of them as
> > magic whiteboards that you could lay on your desk and didn't need
> > thick, stinky, messy markers to write with.
> You certainly are correct in that the wide paper left sufficient room to
> make notes, etc. I'd use the side for comments and corrections and the
> back for flow charts and such.


And here I thought the whole point of computerizing was to save the
trees.  My illusions are shattered!

So much for the mythical "paperless office."


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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel's weird close/quit behaviour

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:55:54 +0100, Joe wrote in message 
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> Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:45:57 +0100, Joe wrote in message 
> > 
> >> Koqueror, the all-in-one file manager and browser, on the the other
> >> hand follows the same rule to close the windows, however ctrl-w
> >will > not close the program, nor will ctrl-q.  Sadly to say, you're
> >going to
> > 
> > ..huh???  Both c-w and C-q works for me, both in kde and fluxbox, on
> > both Iceweasel and Konqueror.
> 
> Perhaps you're running Sarge.  If you've you're running Etch or newer,
> you're in for a surprise.  Konqueror 3.5.5 does not close that way.

..it does on my Sid boxes.

> > ..now if the konq crew could use c-t rather than shift-ctrl-n for a
> > new tab...
> 
> But it ctrl-t does open a new tab :)

..not here.  ;o)

..could it be my setup overriding standard konqueror-3.5.5 setup?
Been using kde since 2.2.2, and konueror since 3.0, AFAICR.

> I use a konqueror most of the time, but occasionally use iceweasel.
> Funny how sometimes pages look different in the two.  I imagine if I
> used other browsers I might see even different formatting (sometimes
> completely different pages).
> > 
> >> Alt-F4 (the Windows shortcut for closing a program) works on both.
> > 
> > ..and in kde but not in fluxbox, it'll take you to the 4'th pane.
> > 
> Interesting.  I use KDE, hence the Konqueror.  Even if I used Gnome I
> would probably use Konqueror because I prefer it to every other file
> manager I have seen, but I am sure there are plenty that I have never
> seen.  That's one of the downsides to being a newbie.  There are
> thousands of programs that you've never heard of.  One can learn only
> so fast.
> 
> Joe

..we're all newbies at at least some part of life.  ;o)

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Re: Missing devices on raid1 setup

[José Pablo Fernández]

On Wednesday 21 February 2007 07:32, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach José Pablo Fernández <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[2007.02.21.0515 +0100]:
> > ARRAY /dev/md2 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=[...]
> >devices=/dev/sda3,/dev/sdb3
> > ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=[...]
> >devices=/dev/sda1
> > ARRAY /dev/md1 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=[...]
> >devices=/dev/sda2
>
> I would just remove the devices= lines. Does that fix it?

Those lines are the output of a command, mdadm --detail --scan. The other set 
of similar lines which are the config in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf are the only 
ones I could really modify, but then, what good would it do? Removing that 
line would make my md2 device not work and would not have any effect on md0 
(which in where the config file is) and probably wouldn't have any effect on 
md1.
If there's a good reason why this might work I'll give it a try though.
Thank you.
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Re: make-kpgp && git-bisect

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:22:03 +0100, Frank Hartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:  

> I was able to build this package:

> linux-image-2.6.18ebdea46fecae40c4d7effcd33f40918a37a1df4b_2.6-1.gitbisect_i386.deb

> MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg --append-to-version
> ebdea46fecae40c4d7effcd33f40918a37a1df4b --revision 2.6-1.gitbisect
> -us -uc --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image

> but I this gives an error:

>  MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg --append-to-version
>  8c6270f957f0eaa343e4a609159c4b85038468d6 --revision 2.6-1.gitbisect
>  -us -uc --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image

Did you run make-kpkg clean in between the two runs?

> ...  po2debconf debian/templates.master > debian/templates install
> -p -m 644 ./debian/templates.master
> /home/frank/tmp/linux-2.6/debian/linux-image-2.6.198c6270f957f0eaa343e4a609159c4b85038468d6/DEBIAN/templates
> dpkg-gencontrol -DArchitecture=i386 -isp \
> 
> -plinux-image-2.6.198c6270f957f0eaa343e4a609159c4b85038468d6
> 
> -P/home/frank/tmp/linux-2.6/debian/linux-image-2.6.198c6270f957f0eaa343e4a609159c4b85038468d6/
> dpkg-gencontrol: error: package
> linux-image-2.6.198c6270f957f0eaa343e4a609159c4b85038468d6 not in
> control info make[1]: ***

> are there some rules for the -append-to-version parameter in
> relation to debian/changelog?

Yup. If you changed the version numbering, you need to clean
 out ./debian.

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cannot find PDF file printed by cups

[H.S.]

Hello,

On Debian Testing, I have installed a cups-pdf virtual printer. Last 
time I check, last week, it was working okay. Today when I tried to 
print a web page, it seemed like the virtual printer worked, but the 
printed file was nowhere to be found (by default, it goes in ~/PDF 
directory).


I restarted cups and also went over the virtual printer in the web 
interface and restarted the printer.


Cups log shows that the job was printed. But nothing appears in ~/PDF. 
What am I missing?


->HS



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Re: check superblock

[José Pablo Fernández]

On Wednesday 21 February 2007 04:35, pinniped wrote:
> Make sure the RAID device is set to be 'persistent'.

It seems they are:

# mdadm --detail /dev/md0
/dev/md0:
[...]
Persistence : Superblock is persistent
[...]
# mdadm --detail /dev/md1
/dev/md1:
[...]
Persistence : Superblock is persistent

> Also check backwards 
> through scripts to see where md2 might fail.

md2 is no failing, md0 and md1 are failing, which are / and swap. I haven't 
written any scripts myself, any ideas about what I should check?
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PS: full outputs:

# mdadm --detail /dev/md0
/dev/md0:
Version : 00.90.01
  Creation Time : Tue Feb  7 14:58:18 2006
 Raid Level : raid1
 Array Size : 15623104 (14.90 GiB 16.00 GB)
Device Size : 15623104 (14.90 GiB 16.00 GB)
   Raid Devices : 2
  Total Devices : 2
Preferred Minor : 0
Persistence : Superblock is persistent

Update Time : Wed Feb 21 14:19:48 2007
  State : clean
 Active Devices : 2
Working Devices : 2
 Failed Devices : 0
  Spare Devices : 0

   UUID : a1a07d14:64ab7244:8a585e9b:fbee0505
 Events : 0.6126578

Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
   0   810  active sync   /dev/sda1
   1   8   171  active sync   /dev/sdb1



# mdadm --detail /dev/md1
/dev/md1:
Version : 00.90.01
  Creation Time : Tue Feb  7 14:59:06 2006
 Raid Level : raid1
 Array Size : 979840 (956.88 MiB 1003.36 MB)
Device Size : 979840 (956.88 MiB 1003.36 MB)
   Raid Devices : 2
  Total Devices : 2
Preferred Minor : 1
Persistence : Superblock is persistent

Update Time : Wed Feb 21 01:14:59 2007
  State : clean
 Active Devices : 2
Working Devices : 2
 Failed Devices : 0
  Spare Devices : 0

   UUID : 2e8d1e91:1db84b53:602c6a7d:b9fb162a
 Events : 0.1411

Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
   0   820  active sync   /dev/sda2
   1   8   181  active sync   /dev/sdb2

Re: Installing TeX/LaTeX in Sarge

[Kevin Mark]

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 05:47:06PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Hello Russel,
> 
> Am 2007-02-17 10:57:36, schrieb Russell L. Harris:
> > If you install the Debian TeXLive package, you should find that LaTeX
> > works as it formerly did in TeTeX.  I am running TeTeX under Etch on
> > one i386 machine, and TeXLive under Etch on another i386 machine, and
> > I have not seen any difference in behaviour or performance.
> 
> I use TeTeX since some years but only basicly with small stuff...
> 
> Now I have to build a collection of three editons (de, en, fr) of
> Education-Books of each 2500 Pages which will be splitted into 11
> volumes.
> 
> It is all about Debian GNU/Linux.
> 
> I have already encountered the TeXLive stuff and have a question:
> 
> I do not know, wheter TeX is the right way to go, but I need at the end
> the Books as Hard-Copies, PDF's and HTML (maybe other fromats too).
> 
> 1)  Do you recommend to use TeXLive or should I use another Format
> like SGML or XML as recommended from some other peoples?
> 
> 2)  Since I know only some basics, are there documentations in PDF
> HOW-TO-WRITE-THE-DOC?
> 
> 3)  Can you recommend Books?
> (I live in Strasbourg but prefer to buy books in Germany since
> they are cheaper there and i can get english versions if german
> ones are not suitable)
Hi Michelle,
I have 2 suggestions:
I wanted to make a hard copy of the sarge installation manual. I was
able to send a pdf file to an email address assigned to a Kinko's store
(US printing chain). They were able to have it printed 2-sided with a
spiral binding and clear plastic covers. This is one way.
The other way is to use the new technology called print-on-demand. Also,
pdf is the way to go. Go to lulu.com. There are details on the process
and the cost for print real books.
Cheers,
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Re: Debian on ancient machines

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Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2007-02-16 03:55:36, schrieb pinniped:
>> Two popular ones I know of are:
>> DSL  (damn small linux) which can be installed from a CD - in fact the 
>> entire *.iso image is 
> 
> But he can run also  to stay with Debian.

AFAIK, DSL is based on Debian.  Not only that but:

An error occurred while loading http://www.embedian.org/:
Unknown host www.embedian.org

Please don't post dead links.

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Re: Missing devices on raid1 setup

[martin f krafft]

also sprach José Pablo Fernández <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.02.21.1812 +0100]:
> Those lines are the output of a command, mdadm --detail --scan

So? :)
Have a look at what /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf outputs.

> The other set of similar lines which are the config in
> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf are the only ones I could really modify, but
> then, what good would it do? Removing that line would make my md2
> device not work and would not have any effect on md0 (which in
> where the config file is) and probably wouldn't have any effect on
> md1.

Why would it make md2 not work? mdadm can use the UUID (and should)

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hdb status error, dma disabled by itself on hda and hdb

[H.S.]

Earlier today I noticed these messages in /var/log/syslog:

Feb 21 11:38:17 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: status=0x00 { }
Feb 21 11:38:17 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown
Feb 21 11:38:17 localhost kernel: hdb: status error: status=0x7f { 
DriveReady DeviceFault SeekComplete DataRequest CorrectedError In

dex Error }
Feb 21 11:38:17 localhost kernel: hdb: status error: error=0x7f { 
DriveStatusError UncorrectableError SectorIdNotFound TrackZeroNotF
ound AddrMarkNotFound }, LBAsect=1103831727999, high=65793, low=8355711, 
sector=187638739

Feb 21 11:38:17 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown
Feb 21 11:38:17 localhost kernel: hda: DMA disabled
Feb 21 11:38:18 localhost kernel: hdb: DMA disabled
Feb 21 11:38:18 localhost kernel: hdb: drive not ready for command



I think I was doing "updatedb" at that time. I have just now re-enabled 
dma on the two disks. I am using Debian Testing with 2.6.18-3-486 kernel.


I am also using noflushd to switch off hdb for most of the time. The OS 
is on hda.


Anybody has any idea what is going wrong? Some problem with my disks?

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Re: nvidia driver problem

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steef wrote:
> Joe Hart wrote:
> steef wrote:
>  
 i did that  several times. when i still had the
 alien driver 'formally' *installed* in the kernel. i too replaced in
 that configuration manually the native nv-driver "nv" with "nvidia"
 without results.
 
> 
>  
 after having *uninstalled* the alien driver as root:  < nvidia-installer
 --uninstall> i do not get the driver installed again.
 
> 
>  
 should i remove the 'new' xorg-files in xorg.conf (in X11) or what to
 get the d thing installed again???
 
> 
>  
 or, perhaps, i should remove the glx driver (like in earlier times) to
 get the alien driver installed again and get it permanently going by not
 letting nvidia adapt X11/xorg.conf automatically but do it manually??
 
> 
> The nvidia-glx driver (from non-free) conflicts with the one from
> nvidia.  The installer for the nvidia one should warn you about that, so
>  yes, in order to use the alien driver (as you put it) you need to
> remove the open source one.
> 
> With this computer I need the "nvidia" driver, but others work fine with
> the open source "nv" driver. For some reason the "nv" driver takes 40%
> of the cpu and leaves my system at a crawl. It depends on the computer
> because I've installed the "nv" driver on other computers and had no
> problems at all.  For normal day-to-day things, I'd say use the "nv"
> driver if it works on your computer because at least it is supported.
> However, if you want to use Beryl, or play cutting edge 3d games, then
> yes, you need the "nvidia" drivers.
> 
> 
> Joe
> 
>>
>>

> thanks joe. keep using nv. (installed a new 2.6.18 kernel with nvidiafb:
> seems all the 2.6.18 kernels have that trait)
> LAST QUESTION: what package do i need to measure cpu-usage?  (valgrind
> maybe??)

> thanks,

> steef

I actually use GlassMonitor which is a theme for superkarmba.  I'm all
KDE here.  You can also see the cpu usage with ksysguard, but again,
it's a kde app.

a quick check:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search monitor | grep cpu
ascpu - AfterStep look & feel CPU statistics monitor tool
cpufreqd - fully configurable daemon for dynamic frequency and voltage
scaling
glcpu - 3D-plotter for system activity
statd - data collection daemon for GLcpu

Take your pick, I've never seen any of them.

Isn't Debian neat?

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driver for graphiccard don't work correctly

[Tobias]

Hello,

i have new hardware in my pc. Therefore exists new problems. The graphiccard 
will not work correctly.

HW:
CPU:AMD Athlon64 4000+
Mainboard:Asus A8R-MVP
HDD: 160GB SATA
graficcard: Sapphire Radeon X1900GT (ATI) PCIe

OS: Debian/Sarge
actually using kernel 2.6.18.2-amd64
want to use kernel 2.6.20
Xserver: Xfree86-4.3.0

For using this hw with Debian/Sarge, i have to use a Sarge-costum-BootCD,
which is using the kernel 2.6.18-2-amd64.
Other Debian/Sarge products wouldn't work with the SATA controller on board.

After installing Debian/Sarge with kernel 2.6.18-2 i want to use KDE,
but the graficcard is unknown for this version.
Therefore, i want to use the actually ati driver 8.33.6.
But it is not able to install this driver on this operating system.
During in the installation, it stopps without any hints.

I think, it could be the wrong kernel, which i am now using.
Downloading the new kernel from kernel.org, compiling and installing are 
without any errors.
Now, if i use this kernel after restart the system can't be running.
Systemboot stopps on using RAMDISK.
Change in the /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf the MKIMAGE from CRAMFS to genromfs.
New installing, same error:
RAMDISK: romfs filesystem found at block 0
RAMDISK: loading 13428KiB [1 disk] into ram disk... done.
No filesystem could mount root, tried: cramfs
kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)

1. How can i compile and install the new kernel?
2. it is possible to use the ati driver for the old kernel and how does it fit?

br
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Re: Missing devices on raid1 setup

[José Pablo Fernández]

On Wednesday 21 February 2007 14:26, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach José Pablo Fernández <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[2007.02.21.1812 +0100]:
> > Those lines are the output of a command, mdadm --detail --scan
>
> So? :)

I can't modify the output of a command (unless I modify the sources of the 
command, of course).

> Have a look at what /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf outputs.

There's no such file. I used apt-file to search for it and I've only got:

plum: usr/lib/plum/support/mkconf

I doubt an IRC proxy have anything to do with the software raid.

> > The other set of similar lines which are the config in
> > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf are the only ones I could really modify, but
> > then, what good would it do? Removing that line would make my md2
> > device not work and would not have any effect on md0 (which in
> > where the config file is) and probably wouldn't have any effect on
> > md1.
>
> Why would it make md2 not work? mdadm can use the UUID (and should)

Yes, probably (but when I broken /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf it stopped working). 
Most importantly, why would md0 and md1 work?
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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[Matthias Dryba]

Am Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007 17:46 schrieb Michelle Konzack:
> Am 2007-02-17 11:51:56, schrieb Ron Johnson:
> > > Still, I have a old Celeron 600mhz with 16MB acting as a server running
> >
I have a P I (100mhz) with 64MB ram acting as a backupserver (tape), a P II 
(333mhz) with 256MB as a proxy, mysql, dns server and a P II (300mhz) with 
128MB acting as http server. Linux is the best choice, even on older 
machines.

Matthias Dryba


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Re: Missing devices on raid1 setup

[martin f krafft]

also sprach José Pablo Fernández <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.02.21.1836 +0100]:
> > > Those lines are the output of a command, mdadm --detail --scan
> >
> > So? :)
> 
> I can't modify the output of a command (unless I modify the sources of the 
> command, of course).

mdadm --detail is not what you use to examine the superblocks of
disks, only the pseudo superblocks of running arrays. use --examine.

> > Have a look at what /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf outputs.
> 
> There's no such file. I used apt-file to search for it and I've only got:

Ah, you are still using sarge's mdadm then.

Do

  mv /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf.old
  echo DEVICE partitions > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
  mdadm -Es >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf

then.

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Re: Firefox/Iceweasel's weird close/quit behaviour

[Joe Hart]

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Arnt Karlsen wrote:

>>> ..huh???  Both c-w and C-q works for me, both in kde and fluxbox, on
>>> both Iceweasel and Konqueror.
>> Perhaps you're running Sarge.  If you've you're running Etch or newer,
>> you're in for a surprise.  Konqueror 3.5.5 does not close that way.
> 
> ..it does on my Sid boxes.
> 
>>> ..now if the konq crew could use c-t rather than shift-ctrl-n for a
>>> new tab...
>> But it ctrl-t does open a new tab :)
> 
> ..not here.  ;o)

Very Strange.

> ..could it be my setup overriding standard konqueror-3.5.5 setup?
> Been using kde since 2.2.2, and konueror since 3.0, AFAICR.
> 

I would say most likely, because this system is a standard install, no
customization (to at least konqueror).

> ..we're all newbies at at least some part of life.  ;o)

Tell me about it.  It took me about an hour to figure out how to get rid
of the override of KDM so I could change the theme.  Thankfully, when I
tried to do it, a message popped up telling me about the override, and
referred me to a file (would have been better if it was a link).

Reading that file was a bit confusing.  I finally figured out that I
needed to remove a line in /etc/default/kdm.d/10_desktop-base, or just
rm the file.  The more times I encounter things like that, the more I
learn.  I don't quite understand why an override is needed and the theme
can't be set in kdmrc, but that's beside the point.

One of the things that draws me to KDE is the fact that _almost_
everything is configurable (I can't change the foreground text color on
the items in the taskbar :( ).  Oh well.

I have to agree with the OP that the apps should use the standard
shortcuts.  It's taken me a while to get used to ctrl-q because of
certain programs like Amarok that will go to the system tray if you try
to close them by clicking the close window button (usually an X).  There
are a few others that do the same.

At least we can download the source code and change it if it really bugs us.

Joe
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Re: Missing devices on raid1 setup

[José Pablo Fernández]

On Wednesday 21 February 2007 14:43, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach José Pablo Fernández <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[2007.02.21.1836 +0100]:
> > > Have a look at what /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf outputs.
> >
> > There's no such file. I used apt-file to search for it and I've only got:
>
> Ah, you are still using sarge's mdadm then.

Yes, running Debian stable (Sarge) here, on the servers.

> Do
>
>   mv /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf.old
>   echo DEVICE partitions > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
>   mdadm -Es >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf

The config file would end up being the same:

# mdadm -Es
ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 
UUID=a1a07d14:64ab7244:8a585e9b:fbee0505
   devices=/dev/sdb1,/dev/sda1
ARRAY /dev/md1 level=raid1 num-devices=2 
UUID=2e8d1e91:1db84b53:602c6a7d:b9fb162a
   devices=/dev/sdb2,/dev/sda2
ARRAY /dev/md2 level=raid1 num-devices=2 
UUID=7ed98d8a:e521f4af:145b85dc:91a91046
   devices=/dev/sdb3,/dev/sda3

# cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
DEVICE partitions
ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 
UUID=a1a07d14:64ab7244:8a585e9b:fbee0505
   devices=/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1
ARRAY /dev/md1 level=raid1 num-devices=2 
UUID=2e8d1e91:1db84b53:602c6a7d:b9fb162a
   devices=/dev/sda2,/dev/sdb2
ARRAY /dev/md2 level=raid1 num-devices=2 
UUID=7ed98d8a:e521f4af:145b85dc:91a91046
   devices=/dev/sda3,/dev/sdb3

Thank you.
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PS: and the other command line gives the same except for the order (unless I 
am missing something): 

# mdadm --detail --scan
ARRAY /dev/md2 level=raid1 num-devices=2 
UUID=7ed98d8a:e521f4af:145b85dc:91a91046
   devices=/dev/sda3,/dev/sdb3
ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 
UUID=a1a07d14:64ab7244:8a585e9b:fbee0505
   devices=/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1
ARRAY /dev/md1 level=raid1 num-devices=2 
UUID=2e8d1e91:1db84b53:602c6a7d:b9fb162a
   devices=/dev/sda2,/dev/sdb2

Re: Install Debian testing distribution

[Michael M.]

On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 17:48 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:47:06 -0800
> "Michael M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > FreeBSD uses UFS (or UFS+ or UFS2, something like that) by default and
> > unfortunately there is no support for reading from or writing to that
> > file-system from Windows or Debian.  You will be able to access your
> > NTFS (Windows) and ext3 (Debian) partitions from FreeBSD, at least to
> > read from them if not to write to them, but unless things have changed,
> > your UFS (FreeBSD) partitions will not be accessible from either Windows
> > or Debian.
> 
> >From the my kernel docs (linux-source-2.6.18/fs/Kconfig):
> 
> config UFS_FS
> tristate "UFS file system support (read only)"
> help
>   BSD and derivate versions of Unix (such as SunOS, FreeBSD, NetBSD,
>   OpenBSD and NeXTstep) use a file system called UFS. Some System V
>   Unixes can create and mount hard disk partitions and diskettes using
>   this file system as well. Saying Y here will allow you to read from
>   these partitions; if you also want to write to them, say Y to the
>   experimental "UFS file system write support", below. Please read the
>   file  for more information.
> 
>   The recently released UFS2 variant (used in FreeBSD 5.x) is
>   READ-ONLY supported.
> 
> [snip]
> 
<[and more snip]>

Cool!  That's why I said "unless things have changed."  :-)  I looked
into it several months ago, at least.  Things do change rather quickly
where Linux is concerned, perhaps a little less rapidly with the *BSD's.
I bet there are still loads of web references out there that have not
been updated to reflect that you can read from UFS partitions under
Linux, presuming you're using a recent enough kernel.

Thanks for the info!


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